Penn state obviously benefited from two home games just bc of money (sponsor). We aren't poor. We are historically more successful than psu. Why aren't we sponsoring a regional? Binghamton? Syracuse?
Not our sponsorship but there is one in Rochester in a few years. If we are there we should have, what, 5,000 fans? Albany also has a regional soon.
Quote from: toddlosePenn state obviously benefited from two home games just bc of money (sponsor). We aren't poor. We are historically more successful than psu. Why aren't we sponsoring a regional? Binghamton? Syracuse?
Yeah, big boost from that crowd I'm sure. I was pulling for UCONN in what was an entertaining OT. Meanwhile, Denver's is all over BC with a 2-0 lead, and they had a 3rd goal disallowed due to an offsides.
Quote from: CU2007Not our sponsorship but there is one in Rochester in a few years. If we are there we should have, what, 5,000 fans? Albany also has a regional soon.
RPI hosted at least one of the Albany Regionals but the last two were sponsored by the ECAC rather than RPI or nearby Union.
AD doesn't want to spend time or money to deal with a Regional.
Denver and Fargo in 2027 means those eastern teams are gonna be scrambling to try and stay home
2028 with ND and SD both hosting means travel will be fun.
Quote from: CU2007Not our sponsorship but there is one in Rochester in a few years. If we are there we should have, what, 5,000 fans? Albany also has a regional soon.
When it was held in Albany over the years it was such a small crowd that they curtained off the upper bowl.
Quote from: upprdeckAD doesn't want to spend time or money to deal with a Regional.
Denver and Fargo in 2027 means those eastern teams are gonna be scrambling to try and stay home
2028 with ND and SD both hosting means travel will be fun.
I know Andy didn't want to. Anyone ask or hear Nikki's thoughts?
Regional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
Quote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
I guess the sites are set for a few years, but I think one of the western sites should bit to host
two regionals in the same year, one Thu/Sat and one Fri/Sun; then you can boost the attendance of the "middle" two days by capturing the fans that are otherwise waiting around in between their team's two games. And for that matter, you'll probably convince more people to travel to the regionals in the first place knowing they don't have a day to kill out in Bison Crap, Montana or wherever the regional is being held.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
I guess the sites are set for a few years, but I think one of the western sites should bit to host two regionals in the same year, one Thu/Sat and one Fri/Sun; then you can boost the attendance of the "middle" two days by capturing the fans that are otherwise waiting around in between their team's two games. And for that matter, you'll probably convince more people to travel to the regionals in the first place knowing they don't have a day to kill out in Bison Crap, Montana or wherever the regional is being held.
This. I favor two super regional sites that are as fixed as possible year to year. Make the conferences host so there's no PSU type issues. Make it easy for fans to plan and develop traditions year over year. And guarantee eastern conference champs stay in one of the two east brackets and west champs stay west. Make it more worth the fans' while to take a Thursday and Friday off and still give coaches the rest day they want. First game at five on Thursday and Sunday final at noon.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
I guess the sites are set for a few years, but I think one of the western sites should bit to host two regionals in the same year, one Thu/Sat and one Fri/Sun; then you can boost the attendance of the "middle" two days by capturing the fans that are otherwise waiting around in between their team's two games. And for that matter, you'll probably convince more people to travel to the regionals in the first place knowing they don't have a day to kill out in Bison Crap, Montana or wherever the regional is being held.
This. I favor two super regional sites that are as fixed as possible year to year. Make the conferences host so there's no PSU type issues. Make it easy for fans to plan and develop traditions year over year. And guarantee eastern conference champs stay in one of the two east brackets and west champs stay west. Make it more worth the fans' while to take a Thursday and Friday off and still give coaches the rest day they want. First game at five on Thursday and Sunday final at noon.
The only reason I made the East/West distinction is that when the two eastern regionals are in, say Worcester and Providence, fans can easily drive from one site to the other anyway. Not so much with Allentown and Manchester, though.
Games vs practice time vs hotels all becomes an issue if you have 8 teams floating around an area.
Quote from: upprdeckGames vs practice time vs hotels all becomes an issue if you have 8 teams floating around an area.
Yes. But let me dream.
They made it work with six per regional...
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: upprdeckGames vs practice time vs hotels all becomes an issue if you have 8 teams floating around an area.
Yes. But let me dream.
They made it work with six per regional...
There definitely are places that could handle it. Between nhl arenas, nhl practice arenas, their minor league affiliates, colleges, etc. Could Ithaca handle it? probably not. But, maybe with exception of hotel rooms, Albany prob could.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: upprdeckGames vs practice time vs hotels all becomes an issue if you have 8 teams floating around an area.
Yes. But let me dream.
They made it work with six per regional...
There definitely are places that could handle it. Between nhl arenas, nhl practice arenas, their minor league affiliates, colleges, etc. Could Ithaca handle it? probably not. But, maybe with exception of hotel rooms, Albany prob could.
Isn't the real bottleneck is getting practice time on the ice surface that the games will be played on? Can't imagine teams would go for getting time only on a practice rink somewhere, and getting 8 teams onto the actual arena ice is going to make a few teams unhappy about an early or late timeslot.
Quote from: WederQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: upprdeckGames vs practice time vs hotels all becomes an issue if you have 8 teams floating around an area.
Yes. But let me dream.
They made it work with six per regional...
There definitely are places that could handle it. Between nhl arenas, nhl practice arenas, their minor league affiliates, colleges, etc. Could Ithaca handle it? probably not. But, maybe with exception of hotel rooms, Albany prob could.
Isn't the real bottleneck is getting practice time on the ice surface that the games will be played on? Can't imagine teams would go for getting time only on a practice rink somewhere, and getting 8 teams onto the actual arena ice is going to make a few teams unhappy about an early or late timeslot.
True. There usually is a morning skate (practice) on game day where the game is being held.
Day to day practices in nhl are in their practice facilities.
Quote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
So 2500 when Cornell was playing in Albany is good?
Quote from: upprdeckGames vs practice time vs hotels all becomes an issue if you have 8 teams floating around an area.
this is literally what the women's basketball coaches - auriemma and mulkey most prominently - have been complaining about. they hate it.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
So 2500 when Cornell was playing in Albany is good?
cornell was not in Albany in 2022
In 2016 when it was there they had 5500/7500 for the first 2 games with Yale and RIT playing. the biggest crowd of the 4 regions.
Next three Frozen Fours: Vegas, DC, Chicago...
Regional sites and hosts for next three years:
www.ncaa.com/championships/icehockey-men/d1/future-info
Maybe after that we can finally get first two rounds on campus sites...
Quote from: 617BigRedNext three Frozen Fours: Vegas, DC, Chicago...
Regional sites and hosts for next three years:
www.ncaa.com/championships/icehockey-men/d1/future-info
Maybe after that we can finally get first two rounds on campus sites...
I remain the only person on here who wants us to go to a Sioux Falls regional.
Ask the team how fun that trip to ND was for travel
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
I guess the sites are set for a few years, but I think one of the western sites should bit to host two regionals in the same year, one Thu/Sat and one Fri/Sun; then you can boost the attendance of the "middle" two days by capturing the fans that are otherwise waiting around in between their team's two games. And for that matter, you'll probably convince more people to travel to the regionals in the first place knowing they don't have a day to kill out in Bison Crap, Montana or wherever the regional is being held.
This. I favor two super regional sites that are as fixed as possible year to year. Make the conferences host so there's no PSU type issues. Make it easy for fans to plan and develop traditions year over year. And guarantee eastern conference champs stay in one of the two east brackets and west champs stay west. Make it more worth the fans' while to take a Thursday and Friday off and still give coaches the rest day they want. First game at five on Thursday and Sunday final at noon.
I love this idea. This would make it easier for fans who need to fly in to commit. Or at least get two regionals within driving distance of a major airport. If it had been Toledo and Detroit, one could get a flight into Detroit and drive to Toledo on the off days.
I prefer 1R and QF at the better seed. There was talk among the coaches last year. Adam covered it well.
Since they introduced the off day (for well-intentioned reasons) the regionals are no longer a positive experience.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: arugulaQuote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
So 2500 when Cornell was playing in Albany is good?
cornell was not in Albany in 2022
In 2016 when it was there they had 5500/7500 for the first 2 games with Yale and RIT playing. the biggest crowd of the 4 regions.
Ok. I was there in 2010 with UNH Denver and rit. Empty.
again its all relative,
Albany avg 4K in 2010
Ft wayne avg 3500 in 2010
The 2 big ones of course were Worcester with 6200 and BC there
and St Paul with Wisc that avg 7K.
All Big arenas that hold up to 18K and were 1/3 full
So in the Big picture 4k vs 6k is nothing in a 18k arena.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: upprdeckQuote from: arugulaQuote from: upprdeckRegional attendance is a hard nut to crack.
Pointing out a small crowd for Albany is wrong
Albany attendance last time was about 2500/3500
Wooster was 6000/2800
Colorado was 2000/5000
allentown was 2000/3000
PSU in Allentown and winning Attendance 7K this year
Teams/locations/ and playing the fri/sat games all help attendance.
So 2500 when Cornell was playing in Albany is good?
cornell was not in Albany in 2022
In 2016 when it was there they had 5500/7500 for the first 2 games with Yale and RIT playing. the biggest crowd of the 4 regions.
Ok. I was there in 2010 with UNH Denver and rit. Empty.
I was there too, and surprised by the small Cornell contingent. We had a much smaller block of fans than we did in Minny in '05 or Green Bay in '06. Perhaps a few relatively down years from '07 to '09 contributed to that. I don't recall whether it was Spring Break for the students. The BBall game vs. Ky at Syracuse was the night before the Albany regional.
Thought hoops was the same night. Too lazy to check.
Quote from: arugulaThought hoops was the same night. Too lazy to check.
Hoops was night before. Went to Syracuse for the game. Then drove to Albany to watch the hockey the next night.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: arugulaThought hoops was the same night. Too lazy to check.
Hoops was night before. Went to Syracuse for the game. Then drove to Albany to watch the hockey the next night.
I did the same thing. Unfortunately, I also drove home Saturday.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: toddloseQuote from: arugulaThought hoops was the same night. Too lazy to check.
Hoops was night before. Went to Syracuse for the game. Then drove to Albany to watch the hockey the next night.
I did the same thing. Unfortunately, I also drove home Saturday.
I drove back to Syracuse for the regional final. Then home. lol
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: 617BigRedNext three Frozen Fours: Vegas, DC, Chicago...
Regional sites and hosts for next three years:
www.ncaa.com/championships/icehockey-men/d1/future-info
Maybe after that we can finally get first two rounds on campus sites...
I remain the only person on here who wants us to go to a Sioux Falls regional.
And I'd take Bison Crap, Montana. It'd still probably be a 5 hour drive (this is a damn big state).
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: arugulaOk. I was there in 2010 with UNH Denver and rit. Empty.
I was there too, and surprised by the small Cornell contingent. We had a much smaller block of fans than we did in Minny in '05 or Green Bay in '06. Perhaps a few relatively down years from '07 to '09 contributed to that. I don't recall whether it was Spring Break for the students. The BBall game vs. Ky at Syracuse was the night before the Albany regional.
The 2010 regional was at the tail end of Spring Break that year. It might have affected attendance. Then again, at that point in time, I think Cornell's Spring Break week was always bookended by the ECAC Final 4/5 and the NCAA regionals, so it didn't affect 2005 or 2006 in the same way. (Spring Break week has since been pushed back to the first week of April, basically right now.)
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: 617BigRedNext three Frozen Fours: Vegas, DC, Chicago...
Regional sites and hosts for next three years:
www.ncaa.com/championships/icehockey-men/d1/future-info
Maybe after that we can finally get first two rounds on campus sites...
I remain the only person on here who wants us to go to a Sioux Falls regional.
And I'd take Bison Crap, Montana. It'd still probably be a 5 hour drive (this is a damn big state).
Yeah, but you can cover 450-500 miles in those five hours in MT.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: 617BigRedNext three Frozen Fours: Vegas, DC, Chicago...
Regional sites and hosts for next three years:
www.ncaa.com/championships/icehockey-men/d1/future-info
Maybe after that we can finally get first two rounds on campus sites...
I remain the only person on here who wants us to go to a Sioux Falls regional.
And I'd take Bison Crap, Montana. It'd still probably be a 5 hour drive (this is a damn big state).
Yeah, but you can cover 450-500 miles in those five hours in MT.
Oh, yeah!