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Making the thread with utmost sorrow, but with the end of the Big Red's season, we'll see a lot of Cornellians move on, some to the pro leagues. As such, let's keep it in one thread.

Seniors:
Hank Kempf [Avalanche] - Colorado Eagles (ATO->contract, AHL)
Jimmy Rayhill - In Transfer Portal
Jack O'Leary - Norfolk Admirals (ATO->contract, ECHL)
Tim Rego - Ontario Reign (ATO->contract, ECHL->AHL)
Kyler Kovich - Minnesota-Duluth (Transfer Portal)
Sullivan Mack - Hartford Wolfpack (ATO->contract, AHL)
Kyle Penney - Springfield Thunderbirds (AHL [possibly ATO?])
Ondrej Psenicka - HC Plzen (Czech Extraliga)
Michael Suda - Savannah Ghost Pirates (contract, ECHL)
Ian Shane - Norfolk Admirals (ATO, ECHL)

Players Scouted:
Ryan Walsh [Bruins] - Returning
Dalton Bancroft - Bruins (ATO->contract, AHL->NHL)

Other Drafted Players:
Jonathan Castagna [Utah] - Returning
Hoyt Stanley [Senators] - Returning
George Fegaras [Stars] - Returning
Luke Devlin [Penguins] - Returning

Other Players:
Ben Robertson - Michigan (Transfer Portal)

Transfer Portal Link 1 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WOwLiDt0I4WE9bhVxd6xrk4Ixv8APe671onEQDPQoXg/edit?gid=0#gid=0), Link 2 (https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/the-2025-mens-college-hockey-transfer-portal-tracker).

(Please note, this isn't to say I expect everyone on this list to get signed. It's just a point of reference.)

It's a scary list nonetheless.

Quote from: toddloseIt's a scary list nonetheless.

Terrifying.

Who is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Quote from: stereaxMaking the thread with utmost sorrow, but with the end of the Big Red's season, we'll see a lot of Cornellians move on, some to the pro leagues. As such, let's keep it in one thread.

Seniors:
Hank Kempf - Avalanche
Jimmy Rayhill
Jack O'Leary
Tim Rego
Kyler Kovich
Sullivan Mack
Kyle Penney
Ondrej Psenicka
Michael Suda
Ian Shane

Players Scouted:
Ryan Walsh - Bruins
Dalton Bancroft

Other Drafted Players:
Jonathan Castagna - Utah
Hoyt Stanley - Senators
George Fegaras - Stars

Luke Devlin is also drafted

This team needs a goalie for next season. Looks like we're going to have to find it from the players/recruits we already have. That's the question mark, and it's a major one. Aside from that we can just hope for an ECAC that is as weak as possible so that we can get an automatic bid again.

Not that worried about the team aside from the lack of goalie.

I would imagine that it is Bancroft and the seniors that we lose, probably don't have to worry about Walsh and castagna leaving until next year. We have tons of talented recruits coming in that should be able to fill in for most of the seniors production, when also accounting for  the development of guys already on the team. For forwards Hiscock, Pelletier, DiGuilian, Pirtle, and Long should be serviceable to good next year which replaces most of what we lose with the seniors. On defense Gorski looks like a good defensive defenseman and Veilleux looks like our next great offensive defenseman.

My main concern next year is in net. They clearly didn't trust Keopple too much this year but I think he had to be the starter. Katz seems a bit small and didn't look great in the exhibition games (all I have to work off of). Our goalie recruit, Roest, got chased from the USHL and not can't even find minutes in the BCHL so that is not exactly encouraging. Maybe Casey can nab us an overage QMJHL guy but if not we can at least hope that our defense is good enough that we can be good with any goalie.

Just a couple hours after the loss and I'm honestly already really exited for next year, mainly because of this great recruiting class.

Quote from: chimpfoodI would imagine that it is Bancroft and the seniors that we lose, probably don't have to worry about Walsh and castagna leaving until next year. We have tons of talented recruits coming in that should be able to fill in for most of the seniors production, when also accounting for  the development of guys already on the team. For forwards Hiscock, Pelletier, DiGuilian, Pirtle, and Long should be serviceable to good next year which replaces most of what we lose with the seniors. On defense Gorski looks like a good defensive defenseman and Veilleux looks like our next great offensive defenseman.

My main concern next year is in net. They clearly didn't trust Keopple too much this year but I think he had to be the starter. Katz seems a bit small and didn't look great in the exhibition games (all I have to work off of). Our goalie recruit, Roest, got chased from the USHL and not can't even find minutes in the BCHL so that is not exactly encouraging. Maybe Casey can nab us an overage QMJHL guy but if not we can at least hope that our defense is good enough that we can be good with any goalie.

Just a couple hours after the loss and I'm honestly already really exited for next year, mainly because of this great recruiting class.

If Bancroft wants to leave the team after what happened today then he can screw off. I bet he stays though. That's based on nothing other than believing he loves his teammates.

Either way, it's really just a question of the goalie. Find a good goalie=should be back in the NCAAs

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Quote from: chimpfoodI would imagine that it is Bancroft and the seniors that we lose, probably don't have to worry about Walsh and castagna leaving until next year. We have tons of talented recruits coming in that should be able to fill in for most of the seniors production, when also accounting for  the development of guys already on the team. For forwards Hiscock, Pelletier, DiGuilian, Pirtle, and Long should be serviceable to good next year which replaces most of what we lose with the seniors. On defense Gorski looks like a good defensive defenseman and Veilleux looks like our next great offensive defenseman.

My main concern next year is in net. They clearly didn't trust Keopple too much this year but I think he had to be the starter. Katz seems a bit small and didn't look great in the exhibition games (all I have to work off of). Our goalie recruit, Roest, got chased from the USHL and not can't even find minutes in the BCHL so that is not exactly encouraging. Maybe Casey can nab us an overage QMJHL guy but if not we can at least hope that our defense is good enough that we can be good with any goalie.

Just a couple hours after the loss and I'm honestly already really exited for next year, mainly because of this great recruiting class.

If Bancroft wants to leave the team after what happened today then he can screw off. I bet he stays though. That's based on nothing other than believing he loves his teammates.

Either way, it's really just a question of the goalie. Find a good goalie=should be back in the NCAAs

I hadn't even thought about leaving until I saw the article about NHL interest in him. It seems like if there's that many bites he would go and his quotes seemed to indicate that too. If he comes back I feel really good about our scoring production.

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Quote from: stereaxMaking the thread with utmost sorrow, but with the end of the Big Red's season, we'll see a lot of Cornellians move on, some to the pro leagues. As such, let's keep it in one thread.

Seniors:
Hank Kempf - Avalanche
Jimmy Rayhill
Jack O'Leary
Tim Rego
Kyler Kovich
Sullivan Mack
Kyle Penney
Ondrej Psenicka
Michael Suda
Ian Shane

Players Scouted:
Ryan Walsh - Bruins
Dalton Bancroft

Other Drafted Players:
Jonathan Castagna - Utah
Hoyt Stanley - Senators
George Fegaras - Stars

Luke Devlin is also drafted

This team needs a goalie for next season. Looks like we're going to have to find it from the players/recruits we already have. That's the question mark, and it's a major one. Aside from that we can just hope for an ECAC that is as weak as possible so that we can get an automatic bid again.

Not that worried about the team aside from the lack of goalie.

I missed Devlin, mostly because I have never seen him play lol. Let me add him in.

Quote from: chimpfoodMaybe Casey can nab us an overage QMJHL guy

I don't think Riley Mercer's got a college commitment...

Quote from: 617BigRedWho is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Keoppel or Roest.

It won't change, as dumb as it is.

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Quote from: 617BigRedWho is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Keoppel or Roest.

It won't change, as dumb as it is.

Is Shane staying for grad?

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Quote from: 617BigRedWho is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Keoppel or Roest.

It won't change, as dumb as it is.

Is Shane staying for grad?

Ivy rules don't allow grads, as far as I recall.

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Quote from: 617BigRedWho is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Keoppel or Roest.

It won't change, as dumb as it is.

Is Shane staying for grad?

Ivy rules don't allow grads, as far as I recall.

I know. I was asking if he was staying for grad school

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Quote from: 617BigRedWho is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Keoppel or Roest.

It won't change, as dumb as it is.

Is Shane staying for grad?

Ivy rules don't allow grads, as far as I recall.

I know. I was asking if he was staying for grad school

Does he qualify?  I thought the 5-year plan was a one-off for guys who played in 20-21.  Shane's entire tenure came after Dump's Dysmenorrhea.

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Quote from: 617BigRedWho is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Keoppel or Roest.

It won't change, as dumb as it is.

Is Shane staying for grad?

Ivy rules don't allow grads, as far as I recall.

I know. I was asking if he was staying for grad school

Does he qualify?  I thought the 5-year plan was a one-off for guys who played in 20-21.  Shane's entire tenure came after Dump's Dysmenorrhea.

I think, if I understand correctly, ER's asking if Shane won't stay at Cornell as a grad student, not as a grad student hockey player. The answer to which is, we'll have to see.

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Quote from: 617BigRedWho is our starting goalie for next season? Can we get that whole no grad-players rule changed?

Keoppel or Roest.

It won't change, as dumb as it is.

Is Shane staying for grad?

Ivy rules don't allow grads, as far as I recall.

I know. I was asking if he was staying for grad school

Does he qualify?  I thought the 5-year plan was a one-off for guys who played in 20-21.  Shane's entire tenure came after Dump's Dysmenorrhea.

FFS I'm
Not asking about hockey, just if he's staying for grad school.

Quote from: BearLoverIf Bancroft wants to leave the team after what happened today then he can screw off.

Even if it isn't the most traditional route, this is still a development league.  We shouldn't begrudge a guy for taking his chance to turn pro, especially after a run like this.  His game has been pretty consistent in his three years.  I hope he comes back too but he doesn't really have anything left to prove at Cornell from a personal or developmental standpoint.

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Quote from: BearLoverIf Bancroft wants to leave the team after what happened today then he can screw off.

Even if it isn't the most traditional route, this is still a development league.  We shouldn't begrudge a guy for taking his chance to turn pro, especially after a run like this.  His game has been pretty consistent in his three years.  I hope he comes back too but he doesn't really have anything left to prove at Cornell from a personal or developmental standpoint.

While I certainly want him back, the fact he's 24 makes me think we may have seen the last of him in a Cornell uniform. And as you said, I wouldn't begrudge him if he makes the move.

Quote from: ERI'm Not asking about hockey, just if he's staying for grad school.

Ah.  I assume he will pursue a pro career for a few more years before sliding down the razorblade of Real Life.

Quote from: VIEWfromKEven if it isn't the most traditional route, this is still a development league.  We shouldn't begrudge a guy for taking his chance to turn pro, especially after a run like this.  His game has been pretty consistent in his three years.  I hope he comes back too but he doesn't really have anything left to prove at Cornell from a personal or developmental standpoint.

In my completely unscientific opinion, I don't think Bancroft is ready. His way to the NHL, as it often is with our forwards, is as a defensive forward with offensive upside. He still needs to show far more discipline on the defensive end, particularly in how and when he chooses to clear the puck, and a senior year in Ithaca would do him good.

There were more than a few times this season that I was left yelling "Dalton!" at the screen in the way the guy in front of us in C when I was a kid used to yell at Chris Norton.

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Quote from: VIEWfromKEven if it isn't the most traditional route, this is still a development league.  We shouldn't begrudge a guy for taking his chance to turn pro, especially after a run like this.  His game has been pretty consistent in his three years.  I hope he comes back too but he doesn't really have anything left to prove at Cornell from a personal or developmental standpoint.

In my completely unscientific opinion, I don't think Bancroft is ready. His way to the NHL, as it often is with our forwards, is as a defensive forward with offensive upside. He still needs to show far more discipline on the defensive end, particularly in how and when he chooses to clear the puck, and a senior year in Ithaca would do him good.

There were more than a few times this season that I was left yelling "Dalton!" at the screen in the way the guy in front of us in C when I was a kid used to yell at Chris Norton.

You may well be right, but many guys sign before they are "ready" for a variety of reasons, and Dalton would be heading to a minor league in any event for further development. But if comes back I'll be more than pleased.

Important to remember that hockey has a viable career path without making the NHL. European league players can make good money. Even the AHL (minor league just below the NHL) has a minimum salary of (I think) $75k.

Quote from: scoop85You may well be right, but many guys sign before they are "ready" for a variety of reasons, and Dalton would be heading to a minor league in any event for further development. But if comes back I'll be more than pleased.

Oh sure! Same. I just hope someone is whispering "Shane Hynes" in his ear.

Bancroft is nowhere near ready.  He has the makings of a solid two-way like Manderville if he stays and keeps learning the game, but you can see for instance in comparison with Castagna he lacks elite skill, and in comparison with Major -- a freshman! -- he lacks vision of the ice.

I love him as a college player, but he would get eaten for lunch even in the AHL.  Now add in that he has a mouth and a bit of a wandering stick and in a fighting league somebody is going to pile drive him.

He needs to stay.  I am much more worried about Castagna as a flight risk, and really hope he and fam are committed to Cornell.

As per BU friend, Rayhill and Kovich are in the transfer portal. Going to shake him for a verification.

I hope Jimmy goes to Niagara and scores 10 goals next year!

Quote from: TrotskyBancroft is nowhere near ready.  He has the makings of a solid two-way like Manderville if he stays and keeps learning the game, but you can see for instance in comparison with Castagna he lacks elite skill, and in comparison with Major -- a freshman! -- he lacks vision of the ice.

I love him as a college player, but he would get eaten for lunch even in the AHL.  Now add in that he has a mouth and a bit of a wandering stick and in a fighting league somebody is going to pile drive him.

He needs to stay.  I am much more worried about Castagna as a flight risk, and really hope he and fam are committed to Cornell.

Castagna is not leaving.

Walsh is 5x more likely to leave.

Quote from: TrotskyI hope Jimmy goes to Niagara and scores 10 goals next year!

Same!! Is it okay if I (selfishly?) hope his new team plays at Lynah next year?

Quote from: TrotskyBancroft is nowhere near ready.  He has the makings of a solid two-way like Manderville if he stays and keeps learning the game, but you can see for instance in comparison with Castagna he lacks elite skill, and in comparison with Major -- a freshman! -- he lacks vision of the ice.

I love him as a college player, but he would get eaten for lunch even in the AHL.  Now add in that he has a mouth and a bit of a wandering stick and in a fighting league somebody is going to pile drive him.

He needs to stay.  I am much more worried about Castagna as a flight risk, and really hope he and fam are committed to Cornell.

God this feels like baseball arbitration, trashing our own player in the hopes that he stays with us.

Quote from: stereaxAs per BU friend, Rayhill and Kovich are in the transfer portal. Going to shake him for a verification.

https://gopherpucklive.com/transfer-portal/

Both are listed with today's date (3/20/25). the first day most can enter the portal.

I might go back and watch the end of the senior night game tonight. The moment that Arthur announced the second assist to rayhill was genuinely one of the louder moments at lynah this year

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Quote from: stereaxAs per BU friend, Rayhill and Kovich are in the transfer portal. Going to shake him for a verification.

https://gopherpucklive.com/transfer-portal/

Both are listed with today's date (3/20/25). the first day most can enter the portal.

Over 100 players already entered. Not many goalies, though Gibson Homer (kept a clean sheet against us this year) is going to be a big addition for someone.

I see Mac Gadowski, who had a great year at West Point, is in the portal. Since he's Guy's son, I'd have to believe he'll be playing for his father at PSU

Quote from: DafatoneImportant to remember that hockey has a viable career path without making the NHL. European league players can make good money. Even the AHL (minor league just below the NHL) has a minimum salary of (I think) $75k.

Dalton Bancroft is one of several players in the Johnson School. Meaning: He could also find a $75K job in the business world. He's a junior, only one more year to a dregree. I forgot, thought Bancroft was a sophomore ... that is Jonathan Castagna, who is also in the Johnson School.

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Quote from: DafatoneImportant to remember that hockey has a viable career path without making the NHL. European league players can make good money. Even the AHL (minor league just below the NHL) has a minimum salary of (I think) $75k.

Dalton Bancroft is one of several players in the Johnson School. Meaning: He could also find a $75K job in the business world. He's a junior, only one more year to a dregree. I forgot, thought Bancroft was a sophomore ... that is Jonathan Castagna, who is also in the Johnson School.

75k isn't very much money. I would hope he could make 1-2x that.

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Shane signs with Norfolk (ECHL)

Many articles in the past few days have mentioned various NHL teams being interested in Bancroft, but none have mentioned him being likely to sign. Maybe I'm just coping. I really hope three straight regional final losses including an OT loss this season left a bad enough taste in Dalton's mouth that he wants to come back to school to finally get over the hump.

Quote from: BearLoverMany articles in the past few days have mentioned various NHL teams being interested in Bancroft, but none have mentioned him being likely to sign. Maybe I'm just coping. I really hope three straight regional final losses including an OT loss this season left a bad enough taste in Dalton's mouth that he wants to come back to school to finally get over the hump.

Since you/we can't know, you are coping, and I think we're all coping with you.

We've lost enough with the seniors. And I suspect Walsh will be happier if he stays.

Quote from: margolismShane signs with Norfolk (ECHL)

ATO. Possible he gets signed to an AHL/ECHL two-way deal next year?

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Quote from: margolismShane signs with Norfolk (ECHL)

ATO. Possible he gets signed to an AHL/ECHL two-way deal next year?

There are so few spots and so many goalies, I don't think he gets more than an ECHL deal. He's small and had an unimpressive senior year. His pro future is probably Europe.

Ian Shane signs amateur tryout with Norfolk Admirals and could play tonight

https://x.com/echlweek/status/1907206341917344038?s=46&t=YoKowMe7r9E5_d9bjb4gZw

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Quote from: margolismShane signs with Norfolk (ECHL)

ATO. Possible he gets signed to an AHL/ECHL two-way deal next year?

There are so few spots and so many goalies, I don't think he gets more than an ECHL deal. He's small and had an unimpressive senior year. His pro future is probably Europe.

We'll have to see. Damn, though.

Would've been intriguing to see where he would have gone coming off last season. It will be long haul for him.

Quote from: arugulaWould've been intriguing to see where he would have gone coming off last season. It will be long haul for him.

At the end of the day, it's going to come down to how he performs in the pros. Matt Galajda was one of the best goalies in Cornell hockey history and he is now out of hockey just a few years after graduating. Probably because he wanted to get on with his life with the NHL not being an attainable goal.

NHL teams don't like small goalies for better or worse

https://x.com/cornellmhockey/status/1907519180292964629?s=46&t=YoKowMe7r9E5_d9bjb4gZw

Sullivan Mack to Hartford Wolfpack for ATO

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Sullivan Mack to Hartford Wolfpack for ATO

ATO and then a contract for next year!

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Sullivan Mack to Hartford Wolfpack for ATO

ATO and then a contract for next year!

Was just about to add that in!
Thank you!!

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Sullivan Mack to Hartford Wolfpack for ATO

ATO and then a contract for next year!

Was just about to add that in!
Thank you!!

Of course! I'm keeping an updated tally on the first post of the thread.

Quote from: underskillNHL teams don't like small goalies for better or worse

Yes. Dustin wolf may be the exception.

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Quote from: underskillNHL teams don't like small goalies for better or worse

Yes. Dustin wolf may be the exception.

Juuse Saros has entered the chat.

Yes indeed.  We had this debate a few years back when Shane was breaking through and Cornell often having smaller goalies.

Quote from: arugulaYes indeed.  We had this debate a few years back when Shane was breaking through and Cornell often having smaller goalies.

Jim Crozier was 5'3.

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Quote from: arugulaYes indeed.  We had this debate a few years back when Shane was breaking through and Cornell often having smaller goalies.

Jim Crozier was 5'3.

I have Jim Crozier at 5' 9" 161.  If this is a joke, I apologize, or perhaps I made it better.

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Quote from: arugulaYes indeed.  We had this debate a few years back when Shane was breaking through and Cornell often having smaller goalies.

Jim Crozier was 5'3.

I have Jim Crozier at 5' 9" 161.  If this is a joke, I apologize, or perhaps I made it better.

Brian Cropper was 5'6" and 29-0-0.

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Quote from: arugulaYes indeed.  We had this debate a few years back when Shane was breaking through and Cornell often having smaller goalies.

Jim Crozier was 5'3.

I have Jim Crozier at 5' 9" 161.  If this is a joke, I apologize, or perhaps I made it better.

Brian Cropper was 5'6" and 29-0-0.

But that was in a universe far, far away and a long time ago.

Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sure he thought of your specific personal anguish with glee as he inked the contract.

I usually stay silent about your bullshit, BL, but now you're just being an irredeemable asshole. You know nothing of the Bancroft family's circumstances or the reasons Bancroft might have for his decisions, and pretending you do is deeply offensive. Wish Dalton the best of luck, hope for the best for next year's Cornell team, then sit down and shut up.

Oh I certainly have no idea of Bancroft's family situation. It's a lot of cash though, so I have to imagine it's the reason. Bancroft isn't the first to jump early and he won't be the last. I am personally indifferent to the success of Cornell players who leave early—I don't root for them, but don't root against them either. Anyway, this is unlikely to work out for Bancroft. I can't remember the last time a Cornell player left early and had a good pro career since Riley, who was a first round pick and stayed three years. (Not counting the players who left during COVID.)

Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

That definitely tracks, that he'd want to move to a team where there's a good shot at NHL team even if he's a sub-NHL caliber player. (Which we do not really know yet.) Any word on whether Walsh is joining him?

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sorry, this is a pathetic response. If you were a 24-year-old offered this contract, would YOU stay in college one extra year? Give me a F__ing break.

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sorry, this is a pathetic response. If you were a 24-year-old offered this contract, would YOU stay in college one extra year? Give me a F__ing break.

Many players every year get offered a similar contract and choose to stay in college. The same contract almost certainly would have been on the table next year if he stayed in school, anyway.

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sorry, this is a pathetic response. If you were a 24-year-old offered this contract, would YOU stay in college one extra year? Give me a F__ing break.

Many players every year get offered a similar contract and choose to stay in college. The same contract almost certainly would have been on the table next year if he stayed in school, anyway.

You're being amazingly obtuse and selfish; he's 24 years old!!!

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sorry, this is a pathetic response. If you were a 24-year-old offered this contract, would YOU stay in college one extra year? Give me a F__ing break.

Many players every year get offered a similar contract and choose to stay in college. The same contract almost certainly would have been on the table next year if he stayed in school, anyway.

You're being amazingly obtuse and selfish; he's 24 years old!!!

Also, it's hockey. He blows an ACL and that's that as a 24 year old non-prospect.

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sorry, this is a pathetic response. If you were a 24-year-old offered this contract, would YOU stay in college one extra year? Give me a F__ing break.

Many players every year get offered a similar contract and choose to stay in college. The same contract almost certainly would have been on the table next year if he stayed in school, anyway.

You're being amazingly obtuse and selfish; he's 24 years old!!!

I'm confused. I root for Cornell hockey, not for the Boston Bruins. As I said, I was hopeful the ending to this season would have motivated Bancroft to stay. Particularly given it is an extreme long-shot he makes the NHL and because it is highly likely the same contract will be available to him next year. He took the cash. I didn't say I faulted him for it, I just said the situation absolutely sucks for the team I root for. Also, I don't know the terms of this contract, is the money guaranteed if he spends the year in the AHL?

congratulations to bancroft!  i wish he could play another year at cornell but probably not nearly as much as he does.  i trust that he's thought this through and made the right decision.  wishing him nothing but the best of luck!

I'm a lacrosse guy now anyway.

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

Look on the bright side, Brian.  You now have more content for your course on the Psychology of Pessimism.  Please let us know when the Podcasts drop.

Bearlover,

I think that your negative comment about Bancroft was probably made impulsively and a bit irrationally. For his or his parents' sake, would you consider editing it or deleting it entirely?  

He's given so much to Cornell hockey: been a super-valuable and exciting team player with a real zest for the game.  Personally, I'll never forget his hat trick at MSG.

I'm sure you wish him the very best at the Bruins, as we all do.

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sure he thought of your specific personal anguish with glee as he inked the contract.

I usually stay silent about your bullshit, BL, but now you're just being an irredeemable asshole. You know nothing of the Bancroft family's circumstances or the reasons Bancroft might have for his decisions, and pretending you do is deeply offensive. Wish Dalton the best of luck, hope for the best for next year's Cornell team, then sit down and shut up.

Thanks for writing this.  First sentence is simply exquisite.

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I think that your negative comment about Bancroft was probably made impulsively and a bit irrationally. For his or his parents' sake, would you consider editing it or deleting it entirely?  

He's given so much to Cornell hockey: been a super-valuable and exciting team player with a real zest for the game.  Personally, I'll never forget his hat trick at MSG.

I'm sure you wish him the very best at the Bruins, as we all do.

Umm, does Dalton or his family read this forum? Should we not be criticizing players here? A lot of people other than me were very critical of various parts of the team this year. I'll delete my post if you feel strongly about it. But for the record, I stand by what I said. Joe Miller of Harvard was drafted by the Leafs and has been Harvard's best player several years in a row, but is returning for his senior year and was just named captain of the team. I'm sure he had a deal on the table to go pro, but he decided he'd rather finish the job. The fact Bancroft took the money instead is just the reality, it doesn't make him a bad person or worse than the many other players who did the same thing. But he could have stayed and it's a shame he didn't.

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I think that your negative comment about Bancroft was probably made impulsively and a bit irrationally. For his or his parents' sake, would you consider editing it or deleting it entirely?  

He's given so much to Cornell hockey: been a super-valuable and exciting team player with a real zest for the game.  Personally, I'll never forget his hat trick at MSG.

I'm sure you wish him the very best at the Bruins, as we all do.

Umm, does Dalton or his family read this forum? Should we not be criticizing players here? A lot of people other than me were very critical of various parts of the team this year. I'll delete my post if you feel strongly about it. But for the record, I stand by what I said. Joe Miller of Harvard was drafted by the Leafs and has been Harvard's best player several years in a row, but is returning for his senior year and was just named captain of the team. I'm sure he had a deal on the table to go pro, but he decided he'd rather finish the job. The fact Bancroft took the money instead is just the reality, it doesn't make him a bad person or worse than the many other players who did the same thing. But he could have stayed and it's a shame he didn't.

Could we agree that critiques of player's play is totally valid? The personal stuff, I have to say a hard no. A lot of people read this forum.

I do hope you will delete or modify that post, as a mom I imagine reading that about my son. Ouch.

Rego has also signed with Ontario

Rego to the LAK organization. (https://x.com/ontarioreign/status/1907863217646490055?t=uYzEAm3-fHoN1xJHlRr9XQ&s=19)

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

XO

To answer the question above, I did not ask about Walsh in my conversation (mainly because I felt like I wasn't supposed to know about Bancroft in the first place since this conversation happened before today's announcement).

Quote from: CUDrew0105To answer the question above, I did not ask about Walsh in my conversation (mainly because I felt like I wasn't supposed to know about Bancroft in the first place since this conversation happened before today's announcement).

Copy!! No worries :)

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Quote from: CUDrew0105Bancroft has signed with the Bruins. He will be assigned to Providence for the remainder of this season before a one-year entry level contract with the Bruins starts next season. Based on a recent conversation I had with one of the seniors, it sounds like it is a good scenario for him to join a team that is rebuilding and might get some play.

I was hoping the silver lining of our season ending in such excruciating fashion was that Bancroft would stay to help his program finally get to a frozen four. I guess he decided he'd rather have a bunch of cash. This is very bad news for our chances next year, hopefully we can add someone from the portal or a CHL overager to replace him (unlikely).

I'm sure he thought of your specific personal anguish with glee as he inked the contract.

I usually stay silent about your bullshit, BL, but now you're just being an irredeemable asshole. You know nothing of the Bancroft family's circumstances or the reasons Bancroft might have for his decisions, and pretending you do is deeply offensive. Wish Dalton the best of luck, hope for the best for next year's Cornell team, then sit down and shut up.

Oh I certainly have no idea of Bancroft's family situation. It's a lot of cash though, so I have to imagine it's the reason. Bancroft isn't the first to jump early and he won't be the last. I am personally indifferent to the success of Cornell players who leave early—I don't root for them, but don't root against them either. Anyway, this is unlikely to work out for Bancroft. I can't remember the last time a Cornell player left early and had a good pro career since Riley, who was a first round pick and stayed three years. (Not counting the players who left during COVID.)

I root for them because if they do well it will help the schools reputation and recruiting.  At least it should.

Bancroft was in a pickle due to his age.

He gets a small bonus most likely like 50K and a salary of like 75K or so.

But he also had he come back might have gotten a different deal completely.  Could have been better or worse.

And a new coach

Quote from: upprdeckBancroft was in a pickle due to his age.

He gets a small bonus most likely like 50K and a salary of like 75K or so.

But he also had he come back might have gotten a different deal completely.  Could have been better or worse.

He's getting a signing bonus of $97,500 and a minors salary of $85,000. Plus, if he makes the NHL, his base salary there is $852,500. And a nice performance bonus of $25,000 for 5 NHL GP. So even if he "only" plays 5 games at the NHL level, he's making over $200,000 on the year. Puckpedia, source. (https://puckpedia.com/player/dalton-bancroft) (Will be putting it on CapSized as soon as we get an NHL ID for him.)

That's money that's hard to refuse.

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Quote from: upprdeckBancroft was in a pickle due to his age.

He gets a small bonus most likely like 50K and a salary of like 75K or so.

But he also had he come back might have gotten a different deal completely.  Could have been better or worse.

He's getting a signing bonus of $97,500 and a minors salary of $85,000. Plus, if he makes the NHL, his base salary there is $852,500. And a nice performance bonus of $25,000 for 5 NHL GP. So even if he "only" plays 5 games at the NHL level, he's making over $200,000 on the year. Puckpedia, source. (https://puckpedia.com/player/dalton-bancroft) (Will be putting it on CapSized as soon as we get an NHL ID for him.)

That's money that's hard to refuse.

Signing bonus + minors salary = $182,5000, so $136,753 after taxes. Sigh.
He's a Cornell student, so he's probably acquainted with the misery of taxes.

Good luck in the NHL Dalton!

Surprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

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Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

Can't teach 6'6". In addition to his many good attributes.

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If it is NJ, as I recall there was interest there, both Utica (AHL) and Adirondack (ECHL, though I'd suspect he'd go to AHL first) aren't in their respective playoffs, and both teams are pretty miserable. Likely enough, in that case, that he'd finish the year at Cornell and sign in the summer. Plus, iirc from his Daily Sun article, his family put a strong emphasis on academics.

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Quote from: arugulaSurprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

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Quote from: arugulaSurprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

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Quote from: arugulaSurprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

Wouldn't the most sensible thing be to join a Canadian NHL team?

(Except for Canada's tariffs on U.S.-produced goods, there wouldn't be much else standing in the way.)

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Quote from: arugulaSurprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

Wouldn't the most sensible thing be to join a Canadian NHL team?

(Except for Canada's tariffs on U.S.-produced goods, there wouldn't be much else standing in the way.)

Crossing the border to play US teams?

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Quote from: arugulaSurprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

Wouldn't the most sensible thing be to join a Canadian NHL team?

(Except for Canada's tariffs on U.S.-produced goods, there wouldn't be much else standing in the way.)

And the Canadian tax rates and price levels. And the fact that he'd be spending significant time in the US anyway. If he is upset enough with the American political climate that he doesn't want to stay here (which is quite unlikely - hockey players skew conservative, and those that don't won't often "make a stand" like that, especially leaving significant money on the table), he would most likely go back to Czechia. That being said, even if the end goal is Czechia, he'd likely be better-served playing in the American minors for a year or few anyway to have a body of work at the pro level that will get him a large ("star" level) contract in Europe. Right now, he doesn't have that.

Kempf to the Eagles (https://x.com/brennan_vogt/status/1908211188682363107?t=5UiP7iO5cMvJoW1vyGnLnQ&s=19) (Avs AHL team). O'Leary following Shane to Norfolk. (https://x.com/NorfolkAdmirals/status/1908213871287959893?t=4-avIz6dkNkze2NQWaCBDA&s=19)

From Big Red Hockey (@hockey_cornell_): (https://x.com/hockey_cornell_/status/1908170496828453192?t=4eLgFd5w8ft7RdWu4zJhuw&s=19)

Big Red games to watch:

Tim Rego and the Swamp Rabbits take on the Icemen at 7
Michael Suda and the Ghost Pirates take on the Everglades at 7:30
Ian Shane and the Admirals take on the Heartlanders at 8
Dalton Bancroft and the Bruins take on the Checkers at 7:05
Jack O'Leary is set to make his pro debut tonight for the Admirals!! Tune in at 8 pm!

Only Penney and Psenicka remain.

Quote from: stereaxKempf to the Eagles (https://x.com/brennan_vogt/status/1908211188682363107?t=5UiP7iO5cMvJoW1vyGnLnQ&s=19) (Avs AHL team). O'Leary following Shane to Norfolk. (https://x.com/NorfolkAdmirals/status/1908213871287959893?t=4-avIz6dkNkze2NQWaCBDA&s=19)

Avs love them some Cornell defensemen.

FFJOL!!
So glad to see this along with all the others!!

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Quote from: arugulaSurprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

The World Championships start in 5 weeks.  The roster doesn't seem to be out yet: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2025/wm/teams/roster/61445/czechia but that often depends on which AHL and NHL teams have been eliminated from the playoffs by the time of the tournament.

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I have to imagine both will be landing somewhere soon

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Quote from: arugulaSurprised no team has taken a flyer on Ondrej.

Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

The World Championships start in 5 weeks.  The roster doesn't seem to be out yet: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2025/wm/teams/roster/61445/czechia but that often depends on which AHL and NHL teams have been eliminated from the playoffs by the time of the tournament.

Are we seriously saying Psenicka on the Worlds team. I love him but no, guys. If that happens I will cry tears of joy, but it's not.

Correct.

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Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

Wouldn't the most sensible thing be to join a Canadian NHL team?

(Except for Canada's tariffs on U.S.-produced goods, there wouldn't be much else standing in the way.)

And the Canadian tax rates and price levels. And the fact that he'd be spending significant time in the US anyway. If he is upset enough with the American political climate that he doesn't want to stay here (which is quite unlikely - hockey players skew conservative, and those that don't won't often "make a stand" like that, especially leaving significant money on the table), he would most likely go back to Czechia. That being said, even if the end goal is Czechia, he'd likely be better-served playing in the American minors for a year or few anyway to have a body of work at the pro level that will get him a large ("star" level) contract in Europe. Right now, he doesn't have that.

I understood the reference to

Quote from: The Rancorthe state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa.

to imply that he's in danger of having his student visa revoked and finding himself "disappeared" to Gitmo, El Slaveador, or some place worse. If he joined a Canadian NHL team, he could get a Canadian visa and not have to deal with Washington's anti-immigrant ideology. As for Canadian tax rates, he'd get health care, childcare benefits, and other things paid with taxes. Regarding price levels, it would depend on where he's located. ChatGPT gives the following costs of living:

• If New York City = 100:
• Toronto ~75-80
• Vancouver ~85-90
• Montreal ~65
• Mid-sized U.S. cities ~50-70

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Someone's going to pick him up, there has been a lot of interest in him.

He might be more interested in European leagues, considering the state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa. Who knows what hoops he has to jump through (especially at 6'6"!!)

I forgot the student visa angle of it. Also a factor for sure. Though I'd be mildly surprised if he goes back to Europe. As we've talked about, you can't teach 6'6" (plus he's also pretty good at the whole hockey thing) and it's likely enough that one or more NHL teams will want to take a flyer on him. (Y'all already know who I want that to be, lol.) With an ELC similar to Bancroft's, he could be in the $150K a year range without playing a single NHL game - that's likely much more than he can get in Europe. Plus, the "boom" of the NHL - if he can secure a stable roster spot, it could be worth millions of dollars. Additionally, if it "doesn't work out" in North America and he tops out in the minor leagues, it's easier to go back to Europe to be a star there than it is to go from Europe to America.

I'd also note that Czechia's also got a tumultous (https://www.politico.eu/tag/czech-politics/) political (https://www.fpri.org/article/2024/12/czech-republic-faces-an-uncertain-political-future/) climate (https://youtu.be/5bMfte8Mpfo?feature=shared), if we want to go there, though I'd suspect that's not his number one priority, lol.

Wouldn't the most sensible thing be to join a Canadian NHL team?

(Except for Canada's tariffs on U.S.-produced goods, there wouldn't be much else standing in the way.)

And the Canadian tax rates and price levels. And the fact that he'd be spending significant time in the US anyway. If he is upset enough with the American political climate that he doesn't want to stay here (which is quite unlikely - hockey players skew conservative, and those that don't won't often "make a stand" like that, especially leaving significant money on the table), he would most likely go back to Czechia. That being said, even if the end goal is Czechia, he'd likely be better-served playing in the American minors for a year or few anyway to have a body of work at the pro level that will get him a large ("star" level) contract in Europe. Right now, he doesn't have that.

I understood the reference to

Quote from: The Rancorthe state of our country and it's immigration policy. He's likely on a student visa.

to imply that he's in danger of having his student visa revoked and finding himself "disappeared" to Gitmo, El Slaveador, or some place worse. If he joined a Canadian NHL team, he could get a Canadian visa and not have to deal with Washington's anti-immigrant ideology. As for Canadian tax rates, he'd get health care, childcare benefits, and other things paid with taxes. Regarding price levels, it would depend on where he's located. ChatGPT gives the following costs of living:

• If New York City = 100:
• Toronto ~75-80
• Vancouver ~85-90
• Montreal ~65
• Mid-sized U.S. cities ~50-70

Correct. Him being here on a student visa might be a complication to get a work visa in the current political environment. I don't know that he's in danger of being gitmo'ed but who the hell knows anymore. Everyone I know that has any status other than the blue passport is worried about crossing in or out of the US right now. I'm guessing the NHL/AHL/ECHL has a special visa hotline? Or did that get cut too?

Multiple things can be true. Our alumni having success in the pros is good for the program. That's why they have all those pictures of alumni in NHL and Olympic jerseys in the hallway. All schools do this and it does impact recruiting. That being said, Bancroft leaving makes next year's team worse. Undoubtedly true. Bearlover is within his rights to say "aww shucks that's too bad" as it relates to the chances of next year's success. But we can also hope that now that Dalton has made his decision, he goes on to a long and prosperous career which gets Cornell Hockey positive recognition as a good place for players to develop and hopefully helps get us the next productive player. And on and on she goes.

Quote from: CU2007Multiple things can be true. Our alumni having success in the pros is good for the program. That's why they have all those pictures of alumni in NHL and Olympic jerseys in the hallway. All schools do this and it does impact recruiting. That being said, Bancroft leaving makes next year's team worse. Undoubtedly true. Bearlover is within his rights to say "aww shucks that's too bad" as it relates to the chances of next year's success. But we can also hope that now that Dalton has made his decision, he goes on to a long and prosperous career which gets Cornell Hockey positive recognition as a good place for players to develop and hopefully helps get us the next productive player. And on and on she goes.

Nicely stated

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I think that your negative comment about Bancroft was probably made impulsively and a bit irrationally. For his or his parents' sake, would you consider editing it or deleting it entirely?  

He's given so much to Cornell hockey: been a super-valuable and exciting team player with a real zest for the game.  Personally, I'll never forget his hat trick at MSG.

I'm sure you wish him the very best at the Bruins, as we all do.

Umm, does Dalton or his family read this forum? Should we not be criticizing players here? A lot of people other than me were very critical of various parts of the team this year. I'll delete my post if you feel strongly about it. But for the record, I stand by what I said. Joe Miller of Harvard was drafted by the Leafs and has been Harvard's best player several years in a row, but is returning for his senior year and was just named captain of the team. I'm sure he had a deal on the table to go pro, but he decided he'd rather finish the job. The fact Bancroft took the money instead is just the reality, it doesn't make him a bad person or worse than the many other players who did the same thing. But he could have stayed and it's a shame he didn't.

Miller is 22. Thus the difference. Also, far from their best player this year. If you can't see the difference, then can't help you, per usual. You also have zero idea whether he had a deal on the table.

Robertson's in the transfer portal. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1909269657669791883)

FUCK.

Ouch, losing 12 players is not good at all

Quote from: stereaxRobertson's in the transfer portal. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1909269657669791883)

FUCK.

What the fuck?  Where did that come from?

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FUCK.

What the fuck?  Where did that come from?

probably from being very good and young and teams backchanneling interest

What the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

Live look at the inside of Myron Taylor Hall right now. (https://youtu.be/uLeAot4Zrxo?si=Tr6RI4_t5NvjPrNS)

Guess we should have made the frozen four while we had the chance. Jesus Christ

Quote from: BearLoverWhat the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

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Quote from: BearLoverWhat the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

There's almost no NIL money in college hockey at the moment.

But yes, the program will no longer be competitive nationally if NIL becomes a thing.

Quote from: BearLoverGuess we should have made the frozen four while we had the chance. Jesus Christ

Yup, every single one of those boys who didn't give it their all must really feel that egg on their faces.

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Quote from: BearLoverGuess we should have made the frozen four while we had the chance. Jesus Christ

Yup, every single one of those boys who didn't give it their all must really feel that egg on their faces.

I didn't say that, obviously, but you already know that.

A meme in these trying times? :-D

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Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

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Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

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Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro? :-)

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Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro? :-)

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

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Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro? :-)

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

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Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro? :-)

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

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Quote from: stereaxA meme in these trying times? :-D

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro? :-)

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

HAHAHA. My favorite 1L class was Torts. All of this semester's core classes (civpro, crimlaw, property) are going directly through my ears. I don't know how I'm gonna figure out the finals. (That being said, EU conlaw fucking rocks. Just so you don't think I'm an absolute basket case of a law student. I'm somewhat functional!)

To answer more directly: ELynah, Discord, CapSized, Board Game Arena. Between those four I can burn entire days.

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Quote from: BearLoverWhat the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

There's almost no NIL money in college hockey at the moment.

But yes, the program will no longer be competitive nationally if NIL becomes a thing.

I'm pretty sure NIL is a bigger thing than you realize.  I have a friend who has two baseball-playing sons and is familiar with BIG Ten baseball and NIL - and there's decent (100K ish) money out there for better players.  Also, many high school baseball draft choices that used to turn pro are now going to college so they can make more money than in the low minor leagues.  I suspect if it's true for baseball. it's true for hockey.

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Quote from: BearLoverWhat the fuck? Is he flunking out of school or something? Does he hate Casey? This is impossible to explain. This team is winning absolutely nothing next season now. 10 players graduate, and then two of the remaining best three players on the team leave (at minimum). Put a fork in them.

it's not impossible to explain any more than it's impossible to explain "NIL" - i think it is much more likely that he is leaving for someplace that will give him a scholarship+$ than that he is dissatisfied with the coach or the program or the ILR curriculum. i suspect he was under-recruited and over-performed expectations.

this feeds into a different one of your fears but i think this is the more founded one: we are going to have a hard time competing in a more professionalized environment. We already have one hand tied behind our back on scholarships, ameliorated a little by the prestige of the degree (though that is crumbling in the market as well); this is definitely going to be a long-term drag on Ivy competitiveness.

There's almost no NIL money in college hockey at the moment.

But yes, the program will no longer be competitive nationally if NIL becomes a thing.

I'm pretty sure NIL is a bigger thing than you realize.  I have a friend who has two baseball-playing sons and is familiar with BIG Ten baseball and NIL - and there's decent (100K ish) money out there for better players.  Also, many high school baseball draft choices that used to turn pro are now going to college so they can make more money than in the low minor leagues.  I suspect if it's true for baseball. it's true for hockey.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/08/31/business/nil-money-ncaa.html

This article suggests NIL for hockey is negligible. Not negligible for the top baseball players, though.

I'd be very surprised if Robertson left for NIL. I don't know if it will become a big player in college hockey. It doesn't appear to be at the moment. If it does become a big player, Cornell will have to adapt with its own NIL fund, or it will die.

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Quote from: stereaxA meme in these trying times? :-D

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro? :-)

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

HAHAHA. My favorite 1L class was Torts. All of this semester's core classes (civpro, crimlaw, property) are going directly through my ears. I don't know how I'm gonna figure out the finals. (That being said, EU conlaw fucking rocks. Just so you don't think I'm an absolute basket case of a law student. I'm somewhat functional!)

To answer more directly: ELynah, Discord, CapSized, Board Game Arena. Between those four I can burn entire days.

It's got to be far more challenging staying focused as a student these days with all the distractions. When I was in LS in the mid-80's my primary distraction was on football Sundays hanging out at the guard desk in the lobby of the law school building watching whatever NFL game was on the guard's tiny TV on his desk. I have no idea how I would stay on task in today's environment given the choice between reading case books and obsessively checking Elynah, Fanlax, etc.

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Quote from: stereaxA meme in these trying times? :-D

Did you come up with that during Civ Pro? ;-)

During my lunch break, actually ;) Civ Pro is earlier in the morning!

So what else do you come up with to keep yourself distracted during Civ Pro? :-)

Am I the only dork who found Civ Pro fascinating?

I also find Non-Disclosure Agreements fascinating, but I'm not allowed to tell you why.

In fairness Civ Pro was one of my favorite 1L courses. Now contracts on the other hand ... (mostly due to an awful professor rather than the subject matter).

Property was my favorite subject and my worst grade. Grumble grumble.

HAHAHA. My favorite 1L class was Torts. All of this semester's core classes (civpro, crimlaw, property) are going directly through my ears. I don't know how I'm gonna figure out the finals. (That being said, EU conlaw fucking rocks. Just so you don't think I'm an absolute basket case of a law student. I'm somewhat functional!)

To answer more directly: ELynah, Discord, CapSized, Board Game Arena. Between those four I can burn entire days.

It's got to be far more challenging staying focused as a student these days with all the distractions. When I was in LS in the mid-80's my primary distraction was on football Sundays hanging out at the guard desk in the lobby of the law school building watching whatever NFL game was on the guard's tiny TV on his desk. I have no idea how I would stay on task in today's environment given the choice between reading case books and obsessively checking Elynah, Fanlax, etc.

It's not easy. But all the other students are similarly distracted, too.

a little bit of NIL and a scholie is still pretty good money.

A Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don't really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

Quote from: Big DingusA Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don't really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

You'd know this is not true at all if you've ever been involved in applying to/hiring for a white collar job

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Quote from: Big DingusA Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don't really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

You'd know this is not true at all if you've ever been involved in applying to/hiring for a white collar job

Look at the trends and where they are going. Matters much less.

Look at investment banks for example, hire way more people from state schools now.

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Quote from: Big DingusA Cornell degree vs a Michigan state degree also barely matters anymore.

Most of the country now hates the ivys and kids don't really value education as much as going to a big school to drink and watch football

You'd know this is not true at all if you've ever been involved in applying to/hiring for a white collar job

Look at the trends and where they are going. Matters much less.

Look at investment banks for example, hire way more people from state schools now.

No they don't. If Robertson is a decent student he's practically guaranteed a high paying white collar job with a Cornell degree, whereas he's zero percent to get one with a Michigan State degree (to use your example). Look at where Cornell hockey grads are working and you'll see it's an utterly different universe compared to grads of lesser academic schools.

I don't think it's crazy to be very concerned at this point. Losing your coach and 12 players is the type of thing that can be detrimental to a program's long term prospects, not just our competitiveness for the next couple years. Especially for a team like us that doesn't get high end draft picks and talent, culture is key and that can be lost when you lose your coach and half your team. Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful that we can get past this and even be competitive for the ECAC next year but this is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Concern about next season: absolutely. We are going to struggle replacing so much talent, and though we knew that was coming Bancroft and Robertson now add another two key slots.  We may be looking at a couple seasons in 8th.

Concern about immediate recruiting: maybe.  It is an enormous coaching change and you know Rand et al. are out there pouring poison into the ears of every parent that Cornell has lost its main asset.

Concern about the tarnishing of the Ivies: pfft.  Yes, a bunch of asshats hate the Ivies because of political dementia, but their kids were never getting in anyway.  Admission standards taketh but they also giveth.  God bless gatekeeping.

Concern about the professionalization of college athletics finally being overt after 100 years of it being hidden hurting Cornell: zero.  We have tons of rich infantile NYC and LI dipshit alumni who will pony up millions to win the (limp) dick swinging contest at the yacht club.  Even if Day Hall never gets the memo the "student"-athlete con is finally dead, we'll be better than fine.  Plutocracy works for us.

Quote from: chimpfoodthis is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Robertson was THE most important piece. Cornell will likely have Walsh and Castagna for only one more season (though now even having them for one more season is in doubt). Robertson was going to be one of the best two players on the team next year and the best player the following year. This is a nuke to our chances the next two seasons. I'm still shocked it happened, Robertson was getting the most playing time on the team, he was on the first PP unit, the team won two league championships and was one goal from the frozen four in his two seasons. And that's to say nothing of the relationships he made at Cornell or the academic aspect. Honestly just stunning. It's amazing how much things have shifted since the Mack goal against MSU.

Quote from: TrotskyConcern about the professionalization of college athletics finally being overt after 100 years of it being hidden hurting Cornell: zero.  We have tons of rich infantile NYC and LI dipshit alumni who will pony up millions to win the (limp) dick swinging contest at the yacht club.  Even if Day Hall never gets the memo the "student"-athlete con is finally dead, we'll be better than fine.  Plutocracy works for us.

Huh? What are you even saying here? Where's the NIL collective if the rich LI dipshits are down to spend so much money on the program?

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Quote from: chimpfoodthis is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Robertson was THE most important piece. Cornell will likely have Walsh and Castagna for only one more season (though now even having them for one more season is in doubt). Robertson was going to be one of the best two players on the team next year and the best player the following year. This is a nuke to our chances the next two seasons. I'm still shocked it happened, Robertson was getting the most playing time on the team, he was on the first PP unit, the team won two league championships and was one goal from the frozen four in his two seasons. And that's to say nothing of the relationships he made at Cornell or the academic aspect. Honestly just stunning. It's amazing how much things have shifted since the Mack goal against MSU.

Yeah what is he looking for? Where does he think he's going to have it better than at Cornell?

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Quote from: chimpfoodthis is a major inflection point for the long term prospects of the team and it hurts to see important pieces bailing.

Robertson was THE most important piece. Cornell will likely have Walsh and Castagna for only one more season (though now even having them for one more season is in doubt). Robertson was going to be one of the best two players on the team next year and the best player the following year. This is a nuke to our chances the next two seasons. I'm still shocked it happened, Robertson was getting the most playing time on the team, he was on the first PP unit, the team won two league championships and was one goal from the frozen four in his two seasons. And that's to say nothing of the relationships he made at Cornell or the academic aspect. Honestly just stunning. It's amazing how much things have shifted since the Mack goal against MSU.

Yeah what is he looking for? Where does he think he's going to have it better than at Cornell?

It could be all sorts of things. Maybe he needs more sunlight or wants to be closer to home or who knows what else.

It might not be a purely hockey decision.

I know the exodus is depressing right now. Transitions suck, and this year is a big transition for the program.

But there's also reason for hope. Here's how Clarkson and Cornell finished in the ECAC standings during the 13 years Casey was head coach at Clarkson:

Year   Clkson   Cornell Cornell +/-
2024   5   2   3
2023   6   3   3
2022   2   4   -2
2021   2      
2020   2   1   1
2019   3   1   2
2018   3   1   2
2017   6   3   3
2016   5   7   -2
2015   8   7   1
2014   5   4   1
2013   9   10   -1
2012   7   2   5
      Total:   16
      Per Year:1.33

So, if Casey gets the same performance out of Cornell that he did out of Clarkson, we'll be, on average, one or two places below where Schafer would have had us.

Do we really think that Casey can do no better in Ithaca than he did in Potsdam, with all the resources, traditions, and support that he'll have at his disposal at Cornell?

Casey's got a bigger hill to climb than Schafe did with all the changes college sports are going through. Maybe the program declines because of outside forces, rather than internal effort. Maybe the current exodus puts us in a hole that we can't climb out of.

Or maybe the exodus means that we have fewer players lamenting the end of the "glory days" of the Schafer program and more players who come in, excited that, even as freshmen, they are going to have lots of opportunity to contribute, and all get so much ice time together, that by the time they become seniors, they are going to be such a well-oiled machine that the exceed all expectations.

And maybe not. But with no expectations, every win is going to be awesome. I'm looking forward to that.

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Quote from: TrotskyConcern about the professionalization of college athletics finally being overt after 100 years of it being hidden hurting Cornell: zero.  We have tons of rich infantile NYC and LI dipshit alumni who will pony up millions to win the (limp) dick swinging contest at the yacht club.  Even if Day Hall never gets the memo the "student"-athlete con is finally dead, we'll be better than fine.  Plutocracy works for us.

Huh? What are you even saying here? Where's the NIL collective if the rich LI dipshits are down to spend so much money on the program?

Still wondering about this. Is Trotsky starting an NIL collective?

Quote from: BearLoverJoe Miller of Harvard was drafted by the Leafs and has been Harvard's best player several years in a row, but is returning for his senior year and was just named captain of the team. I'm sure he had a deal on the table to go pro, but he decided he'd rather finish the job. The fact Bancroft took the money instead is just the reality, it doesn't make him a bad person or worse than the many other players who did the same thing. But he could have stayed and it's a shame he didn't.

I think Bancroft had a better chance of sticking around for his senior year if he had previously been drafted.  There have been many guys who return for their senior year at Harvard so that their NHL rights lapse and they become free agents.

Kyler Kovich landed at Minnesota-Duluth. https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2025/04/09/bulldogs-mens-hockey-team-loses-goalie-adds-three-forwards-through-transfer-portal/

Quote from: WederKyler Kovich landed at Minnesota-Duluth. https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2025/04/09/bulldogs-mens-hockey-team-loses-goalie-adds-three-forwards-through-transfer-portal/

Best of luck to him!

Still no news on Rayhill, Penney, Psenicka?

Bancroft released from ATO; (https://x.com/MarkDivver/status/1914341481382322305) sounds like he's going to finish the school year at Cornell and then head out to play pro.

Quote from: stereaxBancroft released from ATO; (https://x.com/MarkDivver/status/1914341481382322305) sounds like he's going to finish the school year at Cornell and then head out to play pro.

Good for him on both accounts!
Good luck to him as well!

I'm guessing the Bruins sent a bunch of guys down and he wasn't going to play in the postseason?  That's a unique path to take

As per Jane McNally, sounds like Psenicka's going back to Czechia. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1921961285303869476?t=_KXYUDEKyFB6JacQ7HhB3w&s=19) :( That leaves only Penney and Rayhill as indeterminate.

In unrelated news, anyone know how to find Czech Extraliga streams online?

Quote from: stereaxAs per Jane McNally, sounds like Psenicka's going back to Czechia. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1921961285303869476?t=_KXYUDEKyFB6JacQ7HhB3w&s=19) :( That leaves only Penney and Rayhill as indeterminate.

In unrelated news, anyone know how to find Czech Extraliga streams online?

i searched for this as a joke but got a real answer https://www.reddit.com/r/czech/comments/1jqmuc3/sledov%C3%A1n%C3%AD_extraligy/?tl=en

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Quote from: stereaxAs per Jane McNally, sounds like Psenicka's going back to Czechia. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1921961285303869476?t=_KXYUDEKyFB6JacQ7HhB3w&s=19) :( That leaves only Penney and Rayhill as indeterminate.

In unrelated news, anyone know how to find Czech Extraliga streams online?

i searched for this as a joke but got a real answer https://www.reddit.com/r/czech/comments/1jqmuc3/sledov%C3%A1n%C3%AD_extraligy/?tl=en

Hrm. Okay :')

Btw that's supposed to be a sad and not angry emoji LOL

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Quote from: stereaxAs per Jane McNally, sounds like Psenicka's going back to Czechia. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1921961285303869476?t=_KXYUDEKyFB6JacQ7HhB3w&s=19) :( That leaves only Penney and Rayhill as indeterminate.

In unrelated news, anyone know how to find Czech Extraliga streams online?

i searched for this as a joke but got a real answer https://www.reddit.com/r/czech/comments/1jqmuc3/sledov%C3%A1n%C3%AD_extraligy/?tl=en

Hrm. Okay :')

Btw that's supposed to be a sad and not angry emoji LOL

i don't know exchange rates but someone in the comments implied it was very cheap

Quote from: stereaxAs per Jane McNally, sounds like Psenicka's going back to Czechia. (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1921961285303869476?t=_KXYUDEKyFB6JacQ7HhB3w&s=19) :( That leaves only Penney and Rayhill as indeterminate.

In unrelated news, anyone know how to find Czech Extraliga streams online?

Not streaming, but you can get results for a lot of European leagues FlashScore, in this case https://www.flashscore.com/hockey/czech-republic/extraliga/

O'Leary got a new contract (https://norfolkadmirals.com/news/2025/08/signing-speedster-jack-oleary-re-signs-with-the-admirals?s=08) in Norfolk :D
Could mean Shane gets one soon?

Ian Shane signed with KC Mavericks of the ECHL

way to go Ian!

Quote from: fastforwardIan Shane signed with KC Mavericks of the ECHL

way to go Ian!

Woot!!! Figured he wouldn't have a path forward at Norfolk - glad he gets to keep playing stateside.

Was just on elite prospects and they have Kyle Penney getting picked up by the Springfield Thunderbirds yesterday

Quote from: Jackal307 on September 30, 2025, 02:50:22 PMWas just on elite prospects and they have Kyle Penney getting picked up by the Springfield Thunderbirds yesterday

Was flipping out with a friend about that. Penney FINALLY employed. So... Rayhill's left.