Okay 3-0 so far, so had to do it again...
ESPN commentators not only gave the Big Red some respect, they just picked Cornell over BU for Saturday.
Of course, they've been on the air for over 12 hours, so they're getting rather punchy.
Quote from: 617BigRedOkay 3-0 so far, so had to do it again...
Our good luck charm! LGR!
BU, from what I've gleaned watching them and my BU friend's chatting about them, is an incredible team... when they want to be. Sounds like defense is optional, as they rely heavily on Yegorov (and Caron, previously) to make big stops instead. Significant offense comes from the blue line (Hutson, Willander, Boumedienne). Red hot powerplay. Not great penalty kill. Tendency to commit crimes.
In BU friend's words, "
- ur worst performances of this semester are worse than our worst performances of last semester because last semester we at least tried in every loss i felt like, this semester the team has overall cleaned up play but when the team lays an egg they're just making mike's life hell".
So strike early, stay out of the box, and rattle them. Their scoring is relatively spread out, with threats on most lines, though the Hutsons do lead scoring.
I love Yegorov... but not on Saturday.
Quote from: pjd8ESPN commentators not only gave the Big Red some respect, they just picked Cornell over BU for Saturday.
Of course, they've been on the air for over 12 hours, so they're getting rather punchy.
STOP PERCEIVING US.
Screw BU!
BU is wildly inconsistent, from game to game and even within games. In their game today they had just 2 shots on goal in the first period yet rattled off 8 goals in the next two periods. Hopefully we get them on a bad day but I do think we can give them a fight even if they're firing on all cylinders.
Quote from: 617BigRedOkay 3-0 so far, so had to do it again...
Was wondering what took you so long...
Now showing the Cornell-BU game at 4 Saturday on ESPNU.
Anytime you score 8 goals on under 25 shots you need a bunch of stuff to go your way.
You need multiple complete breakdowns by the other team.
Quote from: upprdeckAnytime you score 8 goals on under 25 shots you need a bunch of stuff to go your way.
You need multiple complete breakdowns by the other team.
I believe that's "
The the other team."
As I said in the MSU game thread, to beat BU Cornell is going to have to be much better than they were last night. To my eye, MSU had about 4x as many high danger chances as Cornell. That's almost always going to lead to a Cornell loss and certainly against BU.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdeckAnytime you score 8 goals on under 25 shots you need a bunch of stuff to go your way.
You need multiple complete breakdowns by the other team.
I believe that's "The the other team."
This made me laugh out loud.
Quote from: BearLoverAs I said in the MSU game thread, to beat BU Cornell is going to have to be much better than they were last night. To my eye, MSU had about 4x as many high danger chances as Cornell. That's almost always going to lead to a Cornell loss and certainly against BU.
To paraphrase Nic Cage from that crazy movie trailer, we dont have to worry about them, they gotta worry about us! Lol LGR!
Quote from: djk26Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdeckAnytime you score 8 goals on under 25 shots you need a bunch of stuff to go your way.
You need multiple complete breakdowns by the other team.
I believe that's "The the other team."
This made me laugh out loud.
Also, I dont get this?
Quote from: 617BigRedQuote from: djk26Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdeckAnytime you score 8 goals on under 25 shots you need a bunch of stuff to go your way.
You need multiple complete breakdowns by the other team.
I believe that's "The the other team."
This made me laugh out loud.
Also, I dont get this?
THE Ohio State University
Quote from: BearLoverAs I said in the MSU game thread, to beat BU Cornell is going to have to be much better than they were last night. To my eye, MSU had about 4x as many high danger chances as Cornell. That's almost always going to lead to a Cornell loss and certainly against BU.
We need to play better than they did in the first two periods, sure, but if third period Cornell comes out for the first faceoff tomorrow, THAT team beats BU.
I still think the third Spartan goal was as much Fegaras's mistake as Shane's. idk why Fegaras skated past the puck.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: 617BigRedQuote from: djk26Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdeckAnytime you score 8 goals on under 25 shots you need a bunch of stuff to go your way.
You need multiple complete breakdowns by the other team.
I believe that's "The the other team."
This made me laugh out loud.
Also, I dont get this?
THE Ohio State University
Oh right lol, we are THE Big Red University!
Quote from: djk26Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdeckAnytime you score 8 goals on under 25 shots you need a bunch of stuff to go your way.
You need multiple complete breakdowns by the other team.
I believe that's "The the other team."
This made me laugh out loud.
My work buddy who is a TOSU alum even makes fun of The!::bugeye::
Nevermind! Crossposted and deleted.
This made me laugh out loud.
My work buddy who is a TOSU alum even makes fun of The!::bugeye::
You mean, makes fun of the THE ; )
13 of BU's top 14 scorers are draft picks. That includes Sascha Boumedienne, who hasn't been eligible yet but is projected as an early round draft pick in the upcoming draft.
Hutson—2nd round
Green—2nd
Eiserman—1st
Lachance—6th
Harvey—7th
Hughes—2nd
Willander—1st
Coppini—7th
Bednarik—2nd
Kaplan—3rd
Boumedienne—early round expected
Svoboda—3rd
Celebrini—6th
The only exception is BU's top scorer, Quinn Hutson, brother of Cole and Lane, both 2nd round picks, with Lane currently tearing up the NHL.
Massive talent disparity incoming.
Quote from: BearLover13 of BU's top 14 scorers are draft picks. That includes Sascha Boumedienne, who hasn't been eligible yet but is projected as an early round draft pick in the upcoming draft.
Hutson—2nd round
Green—2nd
Eiserman—1st
Lachance—6th
Harvey—7th
Hughes—2nd
Willander—1st
Coppini—7th
Bednarik—2nd
Kaplan—3rd
Boumedienne—early round expected
Svoboda—3rd
Celebrini—6th
The only exception is BU's top scorer, Quinn Hutson, brother of Cole and Lane, both 2nd round picks, with Lane currently tearing up the NHL.
Massive talent disparity incoming.
Wait, there's "another" celebrini?
Nevermind. Just googled it. Was unaware the brothers played together last year.
So the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Quote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
They seem much more skilled on paper than MSU, and less physical. MSU played in the heavy style of Cornell, BU is more run and gun with high octane offense.
Quote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
I meant I like our odds on faceoffs
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
Coming around on this being a very extreme coping mechanism so that the losses don't hurt as much in the same way that "lfg" is a way of pushing off the fear.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
I think most agree with that. I give us about a 3-in-10 chance of winning. But that's better than a lottery ticket.
Bad teams have beaten the current Team Draft Pick: Yale (7-5), Merrimack (2-1), Northeastern (5-1).
Fact is that more than any other team in the field, we have the ability to frustrate and shut-down the fancy teams. The last two times we met BU in the NCAAs, it's been the same story as this time: BU, loaded with blue chippahs against a Schafer team. They took both, 3-1 with an ENG, and 2-1 with a CU EAG. Maybe that 30% chance comes up. I'm glad we have a chance to find out.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
Coming around on this being a very extreme coping mechanism so that the losses don't hurt as much in the same way that "lfg" is a way of pushing off the fear.
I honestly believe this, just as I believe Cornell should be majorly favored against most ECAC teams
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
I think most agree with that. I give us about a 3-in-10 chance of winning. But that's better than a lottery ticket.
Bad teams have beaten the current Team Draft Pick: Yale (7-5), Merrimack (2-1), Northeastern (5-1).
Fact is that more than any other team in the field, we have the ability to frustrate and shut-down the fancy teams. The last two times we met BU in the NCAAs, it's been the same story as this time: BU, loaded with blue chippahs against a Schafer team. They took both, 3-1 with an ENG, and 2-1 with a CU EAG. Maybe that 30% chance comes up. I'm glad we have a chance to find out.
I agree with 3-in-10
Make no mistake. We are massive underdogs, just like we were against MSU. Doesn't mean we can't win.
All of this is house money. What a ***** run and why not us on Saturday
LETS GO RED
We are +150 moneyline. Not huge dogs.
Quote from: Big DingusMake no mistake. We are massive underdogs, just like we were against MSU. Doesn't mean we can't win.
All of this is house money. What a ***** run and why not us on Saturday
LETS GO RED
We are 2-2 in the last four against BU, including a 2-1 loss two years ago in the regional final. Underestimate us at your peril.
Quote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Yegorov is a 2nd rd pick of NJ and only 19. He was on an awful USHL team in the fall and joined BU this semester. He took over the starting role and has been great. He's not as highly rated as a prospect as Augustine yet, but I expect him to be in the discussion of best ncaa goalies the next 2 years.
BU has a potent offense, good goaltending, and optional defense. They're the little girl with the curl. Play tough, don't give them soft goals like tOSU/Shane's giveaway, and capitalize on their mistakes.
Quote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Yegorov has been better than Augustine since World Jrs.
BU more talented than Michigan State - Cole Hutson is insane offensively. But not as tough, and prone to lapses and lack of discipline. If the good BU shows up, no one beats them. But we'll see.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: KenPSo the scouting report sounds similar to MSU. Very potent offense, good defense not as stellar of a goalie compared to Augustine. Very hard to beat when they are playing well. And because they've played against Schafer teams, and playing in a highly competitive Hockey East league... they may not be fazed as much by Cornell's grittiness.
Does that sound right? Any thoughts on their physicality? Face offs? Penalty minutes?
Most penalty minutes in the country. Their face off percentage is worse than MSUs and they have a young team so I like our odds there
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
I think most agree with that. I give us about a 3-in-10 chance of winning. But that's better than a lottery ticket.
Bad teams have beaten the current Team Draft Pick: Yale (7-5), Merrimack (2-1), Northeastern (5-1).
Fact is that more than any other team in the field, we have the ability to frustrate and shut-down the fancy teams. The last two times we met BU in the NCAAs, it's been the same story as this time: BU, loaded with blue chippahs against a Schafer team. They took both, 3-1 with an ENG, and 2-1 with a CU EAG. Maybe that 30% chance comes up. I'm glad we have a chance to find out.
I agree with 3-in-10
First, i think 3 in 10 is ungenerous. BU played 21 games against teams ranked
below Cornell in the pairwise and went 14-7. Second, you're this mopey about a 1/3 chance? Have some chamomile and stop trying to make everyone else as forlorn as you!
The following is absolutely not a prediction.
BU sounds like exactly the sort of high-flying offense that our style of tough and disciplined defense while still possessing firepower plays well against.
I feel better shutting down a scoring team than I do scoring against a strong defensive team.
Again. Not a prediction. BU is really good and this will be a tough one.
Not underestimating. BU has ended our tournament dreams twice in last decade. Why would we be a favorite against a stacked team of blue chip prospects? I believe still
Quote from: DafatoneI feel better shutting down a scoring team than I do scoring against a strong defensive team.
And when I hear the book is "sometimes they don't care too much about defense" my mouth waters a little bit.
Massey computer rankings give the Red a 35% chance against BU:
https://masseyratings.com/ch/ncaa-d1/games
Lol come on. You should not like our odds there. Over half their team will play in the NHL. It's been a magical few weeks but let's not get carried away. BU are going to be huge favorites.
Never tell me the odds!
This is kind of a perception issue, whether you think 65% odds make you huge favorites or slight favorites.
Quote from: DafatoneThis is kind of a perception issue, whether you think 65% odds make you huge favorites or slight favorites.
65% is about as lopsided as it gets for an NCAA quarterfinals hockey game.
Who cares about the odds?
What were the odds for the MSU game?
Just get out there and play. Defense needs to be on point. Offense should be able to generate shots on Yegorov, and he's been a bit shaky recently, though how much of that is on him and how much on the defense is in the air.
Score. Don't get scored on. Play. Win. That's all there is to it.
Quote from: stereaxWho cares about the odds?
May I introduce you to America?
Especially since sports gambling has taken over the advertising industry.
Quote from: stereaxWho cares about the odds?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxWho cares about the odds?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
What the f--k happened to the Elynah I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?
Just saw this on Facebook...
Quote from: SnowballQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxWho cares about the odds?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
What the f--k happened to the Elynah I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?
"Not me! I'm not gonna take this! Coach Pandolfo? He's a dead man! Hutson? Dead! Yegorov?"
"Dead!"
Two Chicago watch parties announced so far:
DATE: Saturday, March 29
TIME: 3:00 PM
FEE: Cash bar for food/drinks
Join us as we cheer on Men's Hockey as they play for a spot in the Frozen Four! Like with the first round, we will be at Theory in River North and Great Coast Commons in Kenilworth. There is no fee to attend or need to register but guests will be responsible for paying for their own food and drink.
Chicago: Theory River North (9 West Hubbard Street, Chicago, IL 60654)
Northern Suburbs: Great Coast Commons (414 Green Bay Road, Kenilworth, IL 60043)
• They will be opening up early for us to watch the game.
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: SnowballQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxWho cares about the odds?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
What the f--k happened to the Elynah I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?
"Not me! I'm not gonna take this! Coach Pandolfo? He's a dead man! Hutson? Dead! Yegorov?"
"Dead!"
"I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part"
not exactly a watch party but if anyone in Brooklyn wants to join me at Westbury Inn, that's where I'll be. unlikely that I'll get the audio fwiw.
Quote from: SnowballQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxWho cares about the odds?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
What the f--k happened to the Elynah I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?
I'm kind of leaning more towards John Winger's inspirational speech from Stripes:
Stripes Pep Talk (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/quotes/)
A prophetic tidbit from that (substitute "Cornellians" for "Americans"):
"We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! "
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: SnowballQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxWho cares about the odds?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
What the f--k happened to the Elynah I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?
I'm kind of leaning more towards John Winger's inspirational speech from Stripes:
Stripes Pep Talk (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/quotes/)
A prophetic tidbit from that (substitute "Cornellians" for "Americans"):
"We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! "
Love it
We might bring in some Churchill:
Never in the sport of hockey have so FEW won so MUCH for so Many: the parents, The Faithfull, Cornell University
I Don't know why everyone thinks BU will be the tougher game than the Michigan State one. KRACH disagrees
Quote from: abmarksI Don't know why everyone thinks BU will be the tougher game than the Michigan State one. KRACH disagrees
We are 5-2-2 against the teams above us in krach.
Quote from: abmarksI Don't know why everyone thinks BU will be the tougher game than the Michigan State one. KRACH disagrees
I think Cornell had about a 30% chance of beating MSU and now has about a 30% chance of beating BU. So no, not the tougher game. Also, the teams are very different from each other. Doesn't KRACH just look at wins and losses like PWR?
Quote from: ugartenot exactly a watch party but if anyone in Brooklyn wants to join me at Westbury Inn, that's where I'll be. unlikely that I'll get the audio fwiw.
not that i expected anyone to trek out to flatbush but I'm going to the canuck instead
For anyone in Atlanta.
https://facebook.com/events/s/mens-hockey-watch-party/1647472852798460/
Edit - never mind it's now showing on espn+ as well on my app so it seems like it won't matter. Note to self - phone app navigation is way better than the tv one.
Can we stream ESPNU via an ESPN subscription without having a cable plan, or do I need to buy Sling or something for a month?
Who gives a shit who's favored?
That's why, you play, the game.
Never tell me the odds.
Quote from: rmandelFor anyone in Atlanta.
https://facebook.com/events/s/mens-hockey-watch-party/1647472852798460/
Philadelphia event as well.
https://cornelluniversity.imodules.com/s/1717/giving/interior.aspx?sid=1717&gid=47&pgid=34121&cid=53420&ecid=53420
Quote from: Tom LentoEdit - never mind it's now showing on espn+ as well on my app so it seems like it won't matter. Note to self - phone app navigation is way better than the tv one.
Can we stream ESPNU via an ESPN subscription without having a cable plan, or do I need to buy Sling or something for a month?
I have paid for ESPN+, and I've been able to see ESPNU tournament games. On my Fire Stick in the ESPN app (sometimes how you get there has mattered this year).
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: Tom LentoEdit - never mind it's now showing on espn+ as well on my app so it seems like it won't matter. Note to self - phone app navigation is way better than the tv one.
Can we stream ESPNU via an ESPN subscription without having a cable plan, or do I need to buy Sling or something for a month?
I have paid for ESPN+, and I've been able to see ESPNU tournament games. On my Fire Stick in the ESPN app (sometimes how you get there has mattered this year).
most of espnu is cross-listed on espn+
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: pjd8Quote from: Tom LentoEdit - never mind it's now showing on espn+ as well on my app so it seems like it won't matter. Note to self - phone app navigation is way better than the tv one.
Can we stream ESPNU via an ESPN subscription without having a cable plan, or do I need to buy Sling or something for a month?
I have paid for ESPN+, and I've been able to see ESPNU tournament games. On my Fire Stick in the ESPN app (sometimes how you get there has mattered this year).
most of espnu is cross-listed on espn+
And remember most of the live tv services come with a free trial in a pinch.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: Tom LentoEdit - never mind it's now showing on espn+ as well on my app so it seems like it won't matter. Note to self - phone app navigation is way better than the tv one.
Can we stream ESPNU via an ESPN subscription without having a cable plan, or do I need to buy Sling or something for a month?
I have paid for ESPN+, and I've been able to see ESPNU tournament games. On my Fire Stick in the ESPN app (sometimes how you get there has mattered this year).
The Roku ESPN app gives me a choice of the ESPN+ broadcast (which I get) and the ESPNU one (which I presumably don't).
ESPN's other interfaces are pretty awful BTW; the Android one makes me log in every so often and refuses to let me store my password, while the web interface insists on thinking I'm using some go.com account from years ago that doesn't have ESPN+ access, so I have to log out and then back in again with my Disney+ account.
Looks like the same lines as Thursday
https://x.com/janemcnally_/status/1906039343791087689?s=46&t=YoKowMe7r9E5_d9bjb4gZw
For the non-X
Mack-Walsh-Bancroft
Psenicka-Kovich-DeSantis
Penney-Castagna-Major
Kraft-Catalano-FFJOL
Robertson. Ergo
Susa. Stanley
Kemp's. Fegaras
Shane
Grady opens the broadcast by welcoming us to Binghamton hockey.
Quote from: TrotskyGrady opens the broadcast by welcoming us to Binghamton hockey.
Awwww...he's nervous too!!!
Quote from: Larry72Quote from: TrotskyGrady opens the broadcast by welcoming us to Binghamton hockey.
Awwww...he's nervous too!!!
I assume by "Grady" you mean "Jason".
Quote from: Larry72Quote from: TrotskyGrady opens the broadcast by welcoming us to Binghamton hockey.
Awwww...he's nervous too!!!
I'm being forcibly removed from the house by my mother to run errands. Will have the game streaming on my phone. This one might actually kill me.
In Toledo.
Team just finished warm-ups, looking strong!
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Larry72Quote from: TrotskyGrady opens the broadcast by welcoming us to Binghamton hockey.
Awwww...he's nervous too!!!
I'm being forcibly removed from the house by my mother to run errands. Will have the game streaming on my phone. This one might actually kill me.
Some of us have been following Cornell Hockey since well before you were born. Most of us are still here! Enjoy the experience!
Quote from: Larry72Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Larry72Quote from: TrotskyGrady opens the broadcast by welcoming us to Binghamton hockey.
Awwww...he's nervous too!!!
I'm being forcibly removed from the house by my mother to run errands. Will have the game streaming on my phone. This one might actually kill me.
Some of us have been following Cornell Hockey since well before you were born. Most of us are still here! Enjoy the experience!
I am doing my best! Trust me, haha! But it's Baby's First College Hockey Postseason and I'm shaking with nerves :')
If basketball goes over it's time window, where does the game reside? Besides the Plus
Quote from: ACMQuote from: Larry72Quote from: TrotskyGrady opens the broadcast by welcoming us to Binghamton hockey.
Awwww...he's nervous too!!!
I assume by "Grady" you mean "Jason".
I'm nervous too. But that's weird, because Grady announced for Binghamton, Jason didn't.
My ESPN+ not latching yet.
Quote from: TrotskyMy ESPN+ not latching yet.
Same. Event starting soon. Given the cross-broadcast on the U this makes me uncomfortable.
Espnnews for now
Still getting "your event is starting soon" on my Roku TV. And no content found on my phone.
Same. I have youtubeTV open to ESPNU and ESPN+ on the browser open. Nothing yet.
Quote from: underskillEspnnews for now
Thank you!
Early pp.
Quote from: TrotskyEarly pp.
C'mon boys...
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: TrotskyMy ESPN+ not latching yet.
Same. Event starting soon. Given the cross-broadcast on the U this makes me uncomfortable.
hit your free throws trinity valley! speed the game along.
I still can't view the game on ESPN+
Quote from: IcebergI still can't view the game on ESPN+
Ditto. Relying on youse.
... and so at 4:05 pm EDT on ESPN+, there's just the building-and-clouds filler video before the game starts.
EDIT add: try ESPN News if you can get it.
Quote from: billhoward... and so at 4:05 pm EDT on ESPN+, there's just the building-and-clouds filler video before the game starts.
Same here!
Likewise, both Roku and computer.
Richlin was spot on that we needed to keep the puck down low on the PP, as BU was pressuring the points.
ESPN News currently only working outlet.
I've tried getting in on my computer and my fire stick through ESPN and Hulu apps. No luck. Thank goodness for the old-fashioned radio.
Kill coming up.
Quote from: TrotskyKill coming up.
oh boy. KILL RED KILL.
What an absolute crap penalty call. BU doesn't need the help.
Five minutes gone in first and still no ESPN. Same thing as with first quarter of Lax.
Quote from: scoop85Richlin was spot on that we needed to keep the puck down low on the PP, as BU was pressuring the points.
BU with a couple very nice pokes to clear, but overall I liked our shape on pp #1.
Quote from: TrotskyESPN News currently only working outlet.
Yes, only way I'm able to watch for now.
Terrible call.
Just a terrible call.
...is it 1-0 them, then?
TV coverage starts.
Quote from: scoop85What an absolute crap penalty call. BU doesn't need the help.
Even more horrific seeing the replay
And, tv hockey.
I don't usually bitch, but it was nothing.
Finally. I was afraid those last 16 seconds of the basketball game was going to take 20 minutes.
Finally got it on ESPNnews.
Television!
In a playoff game like this, there is no reason to call ticky tack checks like that. That's just not a penalty. Make the obvious calls only
Cornell returns to full strength.
Successful kill!
Nice kill. Nice chance after. More.
That was his hip.
ESPNU now has it. Fuckers. YoutubeTV doesn't have ESPNNews so I had to listen on the radio for the first 5 minutes.
Even if that's his hand, he didn't punch it.
Score, but off hand.
Quote from: TrotskyThat was his hip.
Walsh playing soccer.
Quote from: TrotskyThat was his hip.
Agreed
We're throwing fish at BU now?
Never touched it with his hand.
Looked like it bounced off his chest/hip.
Does official review mean we don't lose our challenge if we don't get the call?
Quote from: pfibigerLooked like it bounced off his chest/hip.
Looked like it went off his... next to hip.
Am I crazy? I think from overhead it clearly hits his hip.
I have a bad feeling about this challenge. Puck hits him in the hip, then bounces towards his glove and he pulls his glove upwards. I don't think he actually hit it with the glove.
The overhead looks pretty good, though. That should be a goal. But like I said, bad feeling.
Looks like the body.
That's a goal. It went in off his body, not his hand.
Reverse UNH call?
Quote from: TrotskyAm I crazy? I think from overhead it clearly hits his hip.
I agree.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyAm I crazy? I think from overhead it clearly hits his hip.
I agree.
1-0. It's a goal!!
GOOD GOAL!
Quote from: underskillReverse UNH call?
Yep!
GOAL!
Pandolfo is going nuts!
Ok, I like video replays.
Suck it, pessimist me!
I LOVE REPLAY!!!!
AAAA
Holy crap, a ref call goes our way!
GOD BLESS SHANE PALAHICKY!!!
How did that one happen?
Tied, bummer. Kinda out of position.
Quote from: stereaxHow did that one happen?
And we just scored on ourself
Ouch, off Kempf.
Not a great start for Kempf
Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxHow did that one happen?
And we just scored on ourself
Christ, Kempfer.
Quote from: SperrisTied, bummer. Kinda out of position.
Tough bounce off of Kemp, but credit to the BU kid for getting to the net
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: SperrisTied, bummer. Kinda out of position.
Tough bounce off of Kemp, but credit to the BU kid for getting to the net
It didn't bounce off him. He used his stick
Firewagon hockey is fun but we may want to rein it in a little.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyThat was his hip.
Walsh playing soccer.
Yes. Looked like excellent chest control on that puck
Quote from: ERQuote from: scoop85Quote from: SperrisTied, bummer. Kinda out of position.
Tough bounce off of Kemp, but credit to the BU kid for getting to the net
It didn't bounce off him. He used his stick
Both. Bounced off his skate and headed towards the goal. Then he tried to clear it with his stick and didn't.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: stereaxHow did that one happen?
And we just scored on ourself
Christ, Kempfer.
That could have happened to anybody; it was a quick rebound in the crease. No foul there, just Act of Hockey Gods.
ESPN News switches to some derp, but ESPNU has picked us up.
forced back to espnu
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: stereaxHow did that one happen?
And we just scored on ourself
Christ, Kempfer.
That could have happened to anybody; it was a quick rebound in the crease. No foul there, just Act of Hockey Gods.
I don't disagree with you. But. Ahhhhh.
Interesting, the PC cast has wider pan. More on both left and right, and no derp ticker.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: stereaxHow did that one happen?
And we just scored on ourself
Christ, Kempfer.
That could have happened to anybody; it was a quick rebound in the crease. No foul there, just Act of Hockey Gods.
I don't disagree with you. But. Ahhhhh.
Shit Happens. I'm sure there's Latin for it in law for the wealthier party to slime out of liability on tort.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: stereaxHow did that one happen?
And we just scored on ourself
Christ, Kempfer.
That could have happened to anybody; it was a quick rebound in the crease. No foul there, just Act of Hockey Gods.
I don't disagree with you. But. Ahhhhh.
Shit Happens. I'm sure there's Latin for it in law for the wealthier party to slime out of liability on tort.
Feces occurs.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: stereaxHow did that one happen?
And we just scored on ourself
Christ, Kempfer.
That could have happened to anybody; it was a quick rebound in the crease. No foul there, just Act of Hockey Gods.
I don't disagree with you. But. Ahhhhh.
Shit Happens. I'm sure there's Latin for it in law for the wealthier party to slime out of liability on tort.
Feces occurs.
Texas transpires.
Cornell pp upcoming,.
PP time
BU really aggressive. I hope we can use that against them.
Nice to see much less hesitation on the PP continuing into this game. They're making quick plays and shots, even if they're not all grade A.
Goddamn that was a good shift.
Quote from: TrotskyGoddamn that was a good shift.
This team looks fuckin good today.
Really impressive that we're keeping the pressure on in BU's zone. Didn't let them get any momentum after they killed the penalty.
Quote from: TrotskyGoddamn that was a good shift.
We look great!
Charlie Major is always in exactly the right place. He anticipates beautifully. Just get him the puck.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyGoddamn that was a good shift.
This team looks fuckin good today.
Definitely
Need to maintain pressure and presence
BU likes to get angry in scrums after the whistle near their goalie. Would be nice if they gifted a PP or something.
Both teams look good. This period has been great hockey.
Schafer on the mic god bless
What are we reviewing now (a person who has no audio)
We're about to get a face mask penalty
Quote from: stereaxWhat are we reviewing now (a person who has no audio)
A potential face-mask major I think? On BU?
BU backup goalie has "the eyes of a young girl seeking intercourse with the Devil," in the words of The Name of the Rose.
Quote from: chimpfoodWe're about to get a face mask penalty
For being jumped after the play? Great... KILL RED KILL.
Uh oh. Please don't call Walsh for responding after getting smacked in the face repeatedly.
But the facewashing major is apparently Much Worse than the regular chippiness, according to the rules.
Quote from: TrotskyBU backup goalie has "the eyes of a young girl seeking intercourse with the Devil," in the words of The Name of the Rose.
Max Lacroix is a very pretty boy. I will hear no slander.
Little scuffle after the whistle behind the BU goal,
Quote from: DafatoneUh oh. Please don't call Walsh for responding after getting smacked in the face repeatedly.
But the facewashing major is apparently Much Worse than the regular chippiness, according to the rules.
This would be an abomination
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodWe're about to get a face mask penalty
For being jumped after the play? Great... KILL RED KILL.
Somehow, smacking a guy in the head isn't a big deal, but grabbing a face mask and shaking it is Very Bad. It looks to me that Walsh gets hit a few times and then grabs in return.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyGoddamn that was a good shift.
This team looks fuckin good today.
They do. Yegorov is making it look easy out there for the most part but he's definitely been tested.
That is total bullshit. Give me a break. WTF?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: DafatoneUh oh. Please don't call Walsh for responding after getting smacked in the face repeatedly.
But the facewashing major is apparently Much Worse than the regular chippiness, according to the rules.
This would be an abomination
Wholeheartedly agree, but we got dinged for it earlier this year.
Unbelievable.
You could see Kaplan immediately making the face mask gesture to Pandolfo on the replay...what a fucking baby.
Ok, I hate video replays.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyGoddamn that was a good shift.
This team looks fuckin good today.
They do. Yegorov is making it look easy out there for the most part but he's definitely been tested.
Yegorov is fuckin good too, haha. And incredibly Big.
Another hideous call. STOP THE STEAL!!!
Jesus fucking Christ.
And that's it
Aaaaand the universe resets the balance for ref calls.
UGH. You're shitting me. KILL RED KILL.
Stupid rule but def a facemask
Walsh gets a 5 min major for *checks notes* getting punched in the throat and then trying to swat the guy away via facemask.
Wow. That's the biggest load of bullshit.
This would be a great moment for Cornell to bust out a power kill.
I think it was Walsh who got this called on him earlier this year.
Quote from: pjd8Unbelievable.
I've been watching sports for over 55 years. If that's the rule, it's as bad a rule as there is in sports, and the officials have to use common sense given the situation.
Quote from: Tom LentoThis would be a great moment for Cornell to bust out a power kill.
Absolutely. Please.
Quote from: DafatoneSomehow, smacking a guy in the head isn't a big deal, but grabbing a face mask and shaking it is Very Bad. It looks to me that Walsh gets hit a few times and then grabs in return.
that's right though and they all know it. the instigator immediately started yelling for the call.
fucking weaksauce.
At least there's only 2 minutes left in the period, so we've got time to rest the boys at intermission before coming back out for 3
I just don't see anything. This is going to be hard to kill.
Kill of the 2, get out of the period, then kill the rest.
And my ESPN app is crapping out again and won't show me the game. Screaming into a paper bag.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: pjd8Unbelievable.
I've been watching sports for over 55 years. If that's the rule, it's as bad a rule as there is in sports, and the officials have to use common sense given the situation.
Yup. What's funny is that when we got hit by this earlier this year, the announcers (road game. Princeton maybe?) talked about how they see this call every couple weeks, even though it was new to me.
Quote from: chimpfoodStupid rule but def a facemask
Yeah, he touched the guy's facemask during a scrum after the whistle. As I said, that's a horrific rule.
Quote from: abmarksfucking weaksauce.
At least there's only 2 minutes left in the period, so we've got time to rest the boys at intermission before coming back out for 3
Ding ding ding. Kill it off, take a break, kill the rest off, and then go for it.
That is just terrible. How do you make calls like that in a playoff game?
Who fucking cares about the clock.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: scoop85Quote from: pjd8Unbelievable.
I've been watching sports for over 55 years. If that's the rule, it's as bad a rule as there is in sports, and the officials have to use common sense given the situation.
Yup. What's funny is that when we got hit by this earlier this year, the announcers (road game. Princeton maybe?) talked about how they see this call every couple weeks, even though it was new to me.
It seems to be one they've focused on.
Okay fine if you're off by 30 seconds you gotta fix that.
IAN SHANE.
Ian Shane!
I think that was offsides.
But can we not let a guy waltz right down main street like that again?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: scoop85Quote from: pjd8Unbelievable.
I've been watching sports for over 55 years. If that's the rule, it's as bad a rule as there is in sports, and the officials have to use common sense given the situation.
Yup. What's funny is that when we got hit by this earlier this year, the announcers (road game. Princeton maybe?) talked about how they see this call every couple weeks, even though it was new to me.
It seems to be one they've focused on.
It's one thing if you're the aggressor, but calling it on a guy reaching out while he's getting hit in the mask himself is stupid.
BU penalty at the buzzer reduces the kill to 1 minute.
Two minutes down, three to go. LET'S GO RED.
Dunno but 4x4 to start the second.
NICE!!!!!!!!!!! makeup call? BU minor as the period ends for a slash?
Quote from: TrotskyBU penalty at the buzzer reduces the kill to 1 minute.
Hell yes.
Quote from: TrotskyBU penalty at the buzzer reduces the kill to 1 minute.
Karma for at least 2 minutes
Haha: suck it, Kaplan! BU's penalty leader (on their NCAA leading-in-PIMs squad), takes a dumb one right at the horn.
I am once again asking that guys in the box for intermission be forced to stay in the box during intermission.
Quote from: sah67Haha: suck it, Kaplan! BU's penalty leader (on their NCAA leading-in-PIMs squad), takes a dumb one right at the horn.
Attaboy Kaplan
Quote from: DafatoneI am once again asking that guys in the box for intermission be forced to stay in the box during intermission.
Walsh too? :(
Quote from: sah67Haha: suck it, Kaplan! BU's penalty leader (on their NCAA leading-in-PIMs squad), takes a dumb one right at the horn.
And Rego trash talking at him.
Quote from: abmarksNICE!!!!!!!!!!! makeup call? BU minor as the period ends for a slash?
justice looks for any reason to send the instigator to the box
watching the replay... Walsh facewashed the wrong guy to get away with it
These refs gotta relax now. If they keep up with calling this many penalties we're more than likely gonna lose the special teams battle and the game
Quote from: DafatoneWho fucking cares about the clock.
It's easier to kill a penalty when the penalty time is split across periods. Plus you get the center ice face-off to start the period which can kill off an extra 30 seconds.
"I don't think it's quite there." Translation: "what a diaperload."
Quote from: DafatoneI am once again asking that guys in the box for intermission be forced to stay in the box during intermission.
lol
We're playing with fantastic attitude and toughness. Crowd engaged, guys making smart decisions; we're right where we need to be after 1.
Quote from: abmarksNICE!!!!!!!!!!! makeup call? BU minor as the period ends for a slash?
Yeah, didn't look like much of anything, but I'm still pissed about the call against Walsh. As they just said during the intermission, a little "common sense" was in order.
The Bristol Monkeys actually agree the call was crap.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: abmarksNICE!!!!!!!!!!! makeup call? BU minor as the period ends for a slash?
Yeah, didn't look like much of anything, but I'm still pissed about the call against Walsh. As they just said during the intermission, a little "common sense" was in order.
5 minutes, Cornell number 14, getting jumped after the whistle. Basically.
Quote from: imafrshmnWe're playing with fantastic attitude and toughness. Crowd engaged, guys making smart decisions; we're right where we need to be after 1.
Hear, hear!
Quote from: TrotskyThe Bristol Monkeys actually agree the call was crap.
I guess dress shoes are passé
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: imafrshmnWe're playing with fantastic attitude and toughness. Crowd engaged, guys making smart decisions; we're right where we need to be after 1.
Hear, hear!
Two more periods like this... but with less... ref.
Quote from: stereaxIAN SHANE.
He's been so, so good throughout the postseason.
Quote from: Trotsky"I don't think it's quite there." Translation: "what a diaperload."
+1
Quote from: ChousnakeQuote from: DafatoneWho fucking cares about the clock.
It's easier to kill a penalty when the penalty time is split across periods. Plus you get the center ice face-off to start the period which can kill off an extra 30 seconds.
I started to write this response earlier, until I realized dafatone was talking about the refs going over and looking at some video to check the proper time remaining on the clock with a minute or whatever remaining
Also why did they get an officials review for that and not have to challenge?
Quote from: ChousnakeQuote from: DafatoneWho fucking cares about the clock.
It's easier to kill a penalty when the penalty time is split across periods. Plus you get the center ice face-off to start the period which can kill off an extra 30 seconds.
I was just angry about yet another review. I figured the clock was off by 3 seconds and they were gonna spend 3 minutes worrying about it.
But they were off by 30 seconds. Yeah you gotta fix that.
Quote from: TrotskyThe Bristol Monkeys actually agree the call was crap.
But...but...the letter of the law. Asshole.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Trotsky"I don't think it's quite there." Translation: "what a diaperload."
+1
+1
Shots 13-13. This game is being played at warp speed.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: DafatoneI am once again asking that guys in the box for intermission be forced to stay in the box during intermission.
Walsh too? :(
I'm afraid so.
Quote from: chimpfoodAlso why did they get an officials review for that and not have to challenge?
If you're talking about the major I think they did challenge. The "official's review" label seems to just mean "the officials are reviewing the play" regardless of whether it was a coach's challenge.
i just rewound back to look for that slash penalty. Definitely a makeup call IMO, nut I'll take it. Seemed like not much of a hack.
That call was a fucking abomination. 4x4 against BU is basically a penalty kill
Liam Motley is here and he says he read eLF as a player so if he still does, what's up Liam.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: sah67Haha: suck it, Kaplan! BU's penalty leader (on their NCAA leading-in-PIMs squad), takes a dumb one right at the horn.
And Rego trash talking at him.
I wonder if Rego ups his Boston accent for chirps when playing BU.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: sah67Haha: suck it, Kaplan! BU's penalty leader (on their NCAA leading-in-PIMs squad), takes a dumb one right at the horn.
And Rego trash talking at him.
I wonder if Rego ups his Boston accent for chirps when playing BU.
Imagining the European BU players asking for translation...
Is Ladouceur there?
Hey Kempf, let's talk about your mistake in an interview so you can feel extra bad about it.
Quote from: pjd8Hey Kempf, let's talk about your mistake in an interview so you can feel extra bad about it.
Yeesh, they're doing that to him?
Quote from: underskillIs Ladouceur there?
idk he used to wear a mask
I think he handled the question quite well.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ChousnakeQuote from: DafatoneWho fucking cares about the clock.
It's easier to kill a penalty when the penalty time is split across periods. Plus you get the center ice face-off to start the period which can kill off an extra 30 seconds.
I was just angry about yet another review. I figured the clock was off by 3 seconds and they were gonna spend 3 minutes worrying about it.
But they were off by 30 seconds. Yeah you gotta fix that.
Sorry about that. The referees were awful that period. Too many ridiculous penalties and long reviews. if you have to look at a replay for 3 minutes, it's not a major.
ouch wtf wsa stanley doing dancing in the blueline and the turnover there...
Nice clear!
PK Over.
killed!!!
These announcers are pretty BU biased.
Another incredible pass by Major, creating something out of nothing.
Rego had a nice move n there somewhere. Overall the forecheck has been tremendous since they killed the penalty.
On the major, it sure seemed to me like Walsh reached out and had his hand at/near the top of the BU player's head, and Walsh's hand only went down to the facemask when the REF tommahawk-chopped his forearm as he was trying to break up the altercation.
Anyone else see that?
Quote from: ChousnakeThese announcers are pretty BU biased.
ESPN's head is jammed up Boston's rectum. Their entire staff are drooling imbeciles from Southie.
IT'S NAWT YEW FAUWT!!!
Quote from: ChousnakeQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: ChousnakeQuote from: DafatoneWho fucking cares about the clock.
It's easier to kill a penalty when the penalty time is split across periods. Plus you get the center ice face-off to start the period which can kill off an extra 30 seconds.
I was just angry about yet another review. I figured the clock was off by 3 seconds and they were gonna spend 3 minutes worrying about it.
But they were off by 30 seconds. Yeah you gotta fix that.
Sorry about that. The referees were awful that period. Too many ridiculous penalties and long reviews. if you have to look at a replay for 3 minutes, it's not a major.
the rule on that penalty is major or nothing
PAndolfo looking kinda somber in that interview after the media timeout
brutal turnover.
Get better boards, Toledo.
Oof: Walsh with a terrible pass but Shane bails him out.
Someone got real hooked/interfered on that breakout.
Also, I am not calling Charlie Major "Young Chuck"
Freshman Ben Robertson is back.
Very nice sequence. Good puck control.
Great steal and rush by FFJOL.
Quote from: sah67Great steal and rush by FFJOL.
That was beautiful.
Holy Ian Shane. Damn.
FFJOL!!!
Quote from: RobbOn the major, it sure seemed to me like Walsh reached out and had his hand at/near the top of the BU player's head, and Walsh's hand only went down to the facemask when the REF tommahawk-chopped his forearm as he was trying to break up the altercation.
Anyone else see that?
Now I want to watch the replay again....
Don't care who you are rooting for...this is a highly entertaining game.
Feels like we need to be taking the body just a little more.
We're generating rebounds.
HEY MIKE YOU CAN'T ASSAULT A DUDE FOR BEING IN THE CREASE LIKE THAT
Quote from: stereaxHEY MIKE YOU CAN'T ASSAULT A DUDE FOR BEING IN THE CREASE LIKE THAT
Can we get a face masking on Yegorov?
LOL: Yegorov gets annoyed with Kraft being pesky around the net and decides to bear hug him.
Yegorov was the aggressor there.
Keep shooting blocker side he's giving up juicy rebounds off of it
"I like the no call in that situation"
Sure you do, sir.
Great 10-minute stretch for Cornell here.
It's annoying that BU is getting that chippy after the whistle and the only scrum penalty so far was a major on us.
Quote from: sah67LOL: Yegorov gets annoyed with Kraft being pesky around the net and decides to bear hug him.
I remember Ben Scrivens doing something like that once. Of course, he got called for it.
Amazing puck control mixed with awareness kept us in the zone.
Quote from: SperrisFeels like we need to be taking the body just a little more.
IDK who it was but there was a big hit in thecorner right before the 4:17 stoppage
Quote from: TrotskyGreat 10-minute stretch for Cornell here.
They're hitting that stretch pass more than I've ever seen, must've seen something in film.
For all you kids, this was 80s hockey. Every night was like this, which is why I became addicted, and why Darren Elliott was All American with a Sv% of about .895.
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: sah67LOL: Yegorov gets annoyed with Kraft being pesky around the net and decides to bear hug him.
I remember Ben Scrivens doing something like that once. Of course, he got called for it.
Ben turned it into a full-on body slam though, and I believe it went totally unnoticed by the refs!
I'd like to report an assault on Kraft!!
Double duty attack
Quote from: TrotskyFor all you kids, this was 80s hockey. Every night was like this, which is why I became addicted, and why Darren Elliott was All American with a Sv% of about .895.
This is probably the best game of hockey from both teams I've seen in a while.
Totally, the stretch pass hasn't been our forte and we've hit quite a few of them.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyFor all you kids, this was 80s hockey. Every night was like this, which is why I became addicted, and why Darren Elliott was All American with a Sv% of about .895.
This is probably the best game of hockey from both teams I've seen in a while.
Very fast. My uneducated opinion is that the speed of our opponent forces us to play fast and not overthink it. I really like what I've seen today. Win or lose, great game.
SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE!
IAN SHANE THE MAN THAT YOU ARE
Big save Shane!
sick pass to the slot by desantis there to Psenic
Shane says "no cherry picking here!"
My heart stopped for a moment, though.
Announcers slobbering all over the BU player who got the breakaway while failing to even mention Ian's fantastic save.
Quote from: Chris H82Very fast. My uneducated opinion is that the speed of our opponent forces us to play fast and not overthink it. I really like what I've seen today. Win or lose, great game.
I endorse this theory.
We can't be giving up many more breakaway chances.
Is this a media timeout with 20 seconds left?
Quote from: abmarkssick pass to the slot by desantis there to Psenic
That was SUCH a good play.
Quote from: sah67Announcers slobbering all over the BU player who got the breakaway while failing to even mention Ian's fantastic save.
Homers in action
Seems odd to me how little the Pep bands are allowed to play
Quote from: Tom LentoShane says "no cherry picking here!"
My heart stopped for a moment, though.
suda did a nice job of keeping enough pressure on the BU guy from the inside that he couldn't cut in
I feel like Cornell's carrying the play and possession but BU is getting higher quality chances. It's astounding this game is only 1-1.
FFS what about the interference on BU?!
Ugh. They get a PP to start the third? KILL RED KILL.
That's soft.
Quote from: Tom LentoI feel like Cornell's carrying the play and possession but BU is getting higher quality chances. It's astounding this game is only 1-1.
Testament to both Shane and Yegorov.
Quote from: ERSeems odd to me how little the Pep bands are allowed to play
e
seems like there have been barely any stoppages. The last tv timeout was taken with 22 seconds left in the period
Unsurprisingly, that's a terrible call.
BS calls and non-calls
Not exactly a weak call, but not much more there than stuff they've let BU get away with all game.
Refs know they're gonna have to swallow their whistles in the third so they had to get one last call in
Battling incredibly tough against the refs this game.
Quote from: Tom LentoI feel like Cornell's carrying the play and possession but BU is getting higher quality chances. It's astounding this game is only 1-1.
Shane has been magnificent. He has made about 4 spectacular saves.
Soft penalty call, especially after there was no roughing call when both Yegorov and Lachance went after Kraft
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: ERSeems odd to me how little the Pep bands are allowed to play
e
seems like there have been barely any stoppages. The last tv timeout was taken with 22 seconds left in the period
I'm here. There are plenty of stoppages and nonsense and piped music in between
Quote from: TrotskyFFS what about the interference on BU?!
Sure looked like the BU guy was holding Bancroft's stick. Absurd.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyFFS what about the interference on BU?!
Sure looked like the BU guy was holding Bancroft's stick. Absurd.
That's what I saw, too.
Quote from: ERQuote from: abmarksQuote from: ERSeems odd to me how little the Pep bands are allowed to play
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seems like there have been barely any stoppages. The last tv timeout was taken with 22 seconds left in the period
I'm here. There are plenty of stoppages and nonsense and piped music in between
i stand corrected
on the replay, nice job from Shane to poke the puck before the breakaway could get a clean shot off.
Quote from: stereaxUgh. They get a PP to start the third? KILL RED KILL.
Is it me or has every call in the tournament been insanely soft? The only one I've seen that was like "yeah that's a penalty" was MSU's trip.
To be fair I was not able to see either penalty in the first 10 minutes today. Maybe one of those was for real.
The NC$$ games have constant battering of garbage during stoppages. It feels like a professional event. Deeply gross and insulting. We are lucky to have what we have, and need to fight piped in music and ads as the cancer they are.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyFFS what about the interference on BU?!
Sure looked like the BU guy was holding Bancroft's stick. Absurd.
That's what I saw, too.
Definitely the guy put his arm around Bancroft's stick.
This is not good
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxUgh. They get a PP to start the third? KILL RED KILL.
Is it me or has every call in the tournament been insanely soft? The only one I've seen that was like "yeah that's a penalty" was MSU's trip.
To be fair I was not able to see either penalty in the first 10 minutes today. Maybe one of those was for real.
In our games, they're calling soft ones, for sure. In other games it feels less... bad? Still surprised neither Yegorov nor Lachance got anything for the assault on Kraft.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxUgh. They get a PP to start the third? KILL RED KILL.
Is it me or has every call in the tournament been insanely soft? The only one I've seen that was like "yeah that's a penalty" was MSU's trip.
To be fair I was not able to see either penalty in the first 10 minutes today. Maybe one of those was for real.
In our games, they're calling soft ones, for sure. In other games it feels less... bad? Still surprised neither Yegorov nor Lachance got anything for the assault on Kraft.
i was sure lachance was going to get called
From Jane: (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1906100158468649060?t=kDXhPYmxvJcBRVAz1Voz0w&s=19)
These teams are basically tied in almost every category:
Score: 1-1
Shots: 23-23
Faceoff Ws: 16-15 CU
Shot attempts: 34-33 CU
Blocks: 5-5
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: stereaxQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxUgh. They get a PP to start the third? KILL RED KILL.
Is it me or has every call in the tournament been insanely soft? The only one I've seen that was like "yeah that's a penalty" was MSU's trip.
To be fair I was not able to see either penalty in the first 10 minutes today. Maybe one of those was for real.
In our games, they're calling soft ones, for sure. In other games it feels less... bad? Still surprised neither Yegorov nor Lachance got anything for the assault on Kraft.
i was sure lachance was going to get called
I thought it'd be Yegorov tbh for throwing Kraft to the ice.
Kill it off and ride the momentum. We already feel dissed and overlooked, mix in the refs as a fifth column and ratchet up the energy of a Band of Brothers.
I am so impressed with this team. This is I think my favorite Cornell team since 1997, for the feels and for my high regard of the players' grit.
Quote from: stereaxFrom Jane: (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1906100158468649060?t=kDXhPYmxvJcBRVAz1Voz0w&s=19)
These teams are basically tied in almost every category:
Score: 1-1
Shots: 23-23
Faceoff Ws: 16-15 CU
Shot attempts: 34-33 CU
Blocks: 5-5
They said something similar on the broadcast.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ugarteQuote from: stereaxQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxUgh. They get a PP to start the third? KILL RED KILL.
Is it me or has every call in the tournament been insanely soft? The only one I've seen that was like "yeah that's a penalty" was MSU's trip.
To be fair I was not able to see either penalty in the first 10 minutes today. Maybe one of those was for real.
In our games, they're calling soft ones, for sure. In other games it feels less... bad? Still surprised neither Yegorov nor Lachance got anything for the assault on Kraft.
i was sure lachance was going to get called
I thought it'd be Yegorov tbh for throwing Kraft to the ice.
The goalie always has the benefit of he doubt if he doesn't leave his crease. I wasn't surprised by that. But I really thought Lachance was going for railing him afterwards.
Quote from: TrotskyI am so impressed with this team. This is I think my favorite Cornell team since 1997, for the feels and for my high regard of the players' grit.
The Penney-Cooney parallel is strong. And #5 reminds me a lot of #5.
I'll say something that I hope is prescient. Cole Hutson is I am sure an amazing offensive player, but he plays no defense at all. I have rarely seen a less engaged defender going back. I really want us to exploit that. Mike always adjusts.
I am amused that the announcers have at least twice talked about BU not liking to block shots.
He had one good takeaway in the 2nd, but he hasn't been noticeable on defense otherwise.
Quote from: DafatoneHe had one good takeaway in the 2nd, but he hasn't been noticeable on defense otherwise.
Oh they are all scary AF on transition. But they play "defense" by always trying to jump up on the play. It;s terrifying but it leaves us gaps to penetrate.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneHe had one good takeaway in the 2nd, but he hasn't been noticeable on defense otherwise.
Oh they are all scary AF on transition. But they play "defense" by always trying to jump up on the play. It;s terrifying but it leaves us gaps to penetrate.
pp goal for BU
Tough shot.
Quote from: TrotskyI'll say something that I hope is prescient. Cole Hutson is I am sure an amazing offensive player, but he plays no defense at all. I have rarely seen a less engaged defender going back. I really want us to exploit that. Mike always adjusts.
Well shit. He's so fucking good.
Can't lose the face-off to start the period and can't fail to ice the puck there.
Bah.
Psenicka had an opportunity to clear it and didn't get it done.
And that's it
Fuck
OK, come on back and break their spirit.
man this play-by-play guy is insufferable
Quote from: TrotskyI'll say something that I hope is prescient. Cole Hutson is I am sure an amazing offensive player,
Well, prescient in a way...
Makes me sick to watch this
Quote from: sah67Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: sah67LOL: Yegorov gets annoyed with Kraft being pesky around the net and decides to bear hug him.
I remember Ben Scrivens doing something like that once. Of course, he got called for it.
Ben turned it into a full-on body slam though, and I believe it went totally unnoticed by the refs!
Here's the YouTube of Ben's move. takedown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t-kWLMmuRA)
Quote from: DafatoneBah.
Psenicka had an opportunity to clear it and didn't get it done.
That stood out to me. He had the puck and plenty of time, but cleared it right to the BU player at the point.
Plenty of time. Play aggressive but we have to be careful not to overdo it and let BU open up.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: DafatoneBah.
Psenicka had an opportunity to clear it and didn't get it done.
That stood out to me. He had the puck and plenty of time, but cleared it right to the BU player at the point.
I don't think he realized just how much space he had.
Nice work by Rego to break up another Hutson razzle dazzle attempt.
Quote from: DafatonePlenty of time. Play aggressive but we have to be careful not to overdo it and let BU open up.
Score. Don't get scored on.
Quote from: Mr. Nissman this play-by-play guy is insufferable
Yeah, they've gone full retard for BU now. ESPN is always pitched to LoFos.
We're looking sloppy.
The cardiac comment reminded me of the old nickname Cardiac Kids. I haven't thought about that for a long time.
Cornell's not out of it yet.
Can't keep expecting to come from behind in the 3rd period......again.
Quote from: pjd8The cardiac comment reminded me of the old nickname Cardiac Kids. I haven't thought about that for a long time.
Cornell's not out of it yet.
For sure. All we need is one good shift.
IAN SHANE!
God bless Shane.
We need some Bancroft, Castagna, or Mack action.
At Lynah the band is told via a radio when they can play
Quote from: TrotskyWe need some Bancroft, Castagna, or Mack action.
Anyone. I'm not picky. Be the hero.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyWe need some Bancroft, Castagna, or Mack action.
Anyone. I'm not picky. Be the hero.
Create chances. Convert two. So simple.
BU looks a little fresher, Cornell needs to find that extra gear. They're showing some signs but not really there yet.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyWe need some Bancroft, Castagna, or Mack action.
Anyone. I'm not picky. Be the hero.
Create chances. Convert two. So simple.
Bingo. Score. Don't get scored on.
Are we getting a call??
He complains kinda hard considering.
Power play time!
Major draws another one.
Charlie Major has the extra gear, great job drawing the penalty.
Quote from: TrotskyPower play time!
LET'S GO RED.
Quote from: ERSeems odd to me how little the Pep bands are allowed to play
At Lynah, the band is told when to play via a radio
I thought that was iffy live, but it looked more legit on replay.
"I fuckin' fell!" lol tough shit buddy have a seat and think about balance
BU really muscling us around and taking the body hard, even on the PK.
HOLY SHIT
FFJOL!
no way!
There we go boys!!! Keep fightin
Fan favorite of the fucking century Jack O'Leary!
I thought that hit the post and went out, started to pout.
FFJOL!
Not dead yet!
MOTHERFUCKING FFJOL!
FFJOL!!!!
Quote from: Sperrisno way!
Weird that the screen at the rink is delayed by a few seconds
Jack O'leary...clap, clap...clap clap clap!
Stop doing that shit to Ian!!!
that was terrible. awful. ooof
Quote from: Chris H82FFJOL!!!!
My kid just came running to make sure I was ok.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Jack O'leary...clap, clap...clap clap clap!
JACK O'LEARY BUM BUM BUM-BUM-BUM!!!
Why is it that, every time we score, we feel compelled to give it right back?
Boy that is not the sort of turnover you want.
FAN FUCKING FAVORITE JACK O'LEARY
Holy hell Dalton that was an abominable turnover.
Quote from: DafatoneI thought that hit the post and went out, started to pout.
that made a hell of a ping off the back of the net for sure
We are still tied. Right? Y'all are scaring me.
Quote from: stereaxWe are still tied. Right? Y'all are scaring me.
Yep.
Quote from: stereaxWe are still tied. Right? Y'all are scaring me.
shane bailed out bancroft but... woof
Just keep playing our game.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxWe are still tied. Right? Y'all are scaring me.
Yep.
Ok good please don't do this to my poor heart.
Once more with feeling.
SCORE. DON'T GET SCORED ON. THAT'S IT.
Quote from: stereaxWe are still tied. Right? Y'all are scaring me.
Me too! USCHO still says 2-2?????
Classic CU BU hockey game. Like so many others. LGR!!!!
Quote from: djk26Quote from: stereaxWe are still tied. Right? Y'all are scaring me.
Me too! USCHO still says 2-2?????
2-2, ~4 min left in the third. Face off outside the BU zone.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: djk26Quote from: stereaxWe are still tied. Right? Y'all are scaring me.
Me too! USCHO still says 2-2?????
2-2, ~4 min left in the third. Face off outside the BU zone.
Or at center ice? Why at center ice?
Yeah, still tied. But we had an awful, no-good, terrifyingly poor turnover.
Can we please pop one in with 10 seconds left again? I can't take OT.
2:25 left at the timeout. Nerves....
On the replay great play by O'Leary to settle the puck.
Walsh filling that Seger role of being ever so clutch on the late game faceoffs.
gotta keep winning face offs
13.7 left before overtime. Faceoff in their zone. BU timeout.
Feels like I should get a calcium scan of the heart before watching another game like this.
Overtime. Someone hold me.
oh man so close
Wow.
Quote from: SperrisFeels like I should get a calcium scan of the heart before watching another game like this.
People, get those done. Get out ahead of any heart obstructions.
Please win this
OT. Let's hope for a repeat of the 2003 OT regional result against BC.
Quote from: Chris H82OT. Let's hope for a repeat of the 2003 OT regional result against BC.
i could stand to have us score a little faster but I'll take it
Good lord: the intermission studio crew just constantly talks over one another.
A win would be absolutely amazing, a loss would be heartbreaking but either way I'm so proud of this team. Play with effort and heart in OT and I believe it'll fall our way
Score. Don't get scored on.
Quote from: chimpfoodA win would be absolutely amazing, a loss would be heartbreaking but either way I'm so proud of this team. Play with effort and heart in OT and I believe it'll fall our way
All we need is one good shift. One shot.
Quote from: chimpfoodA win would be absolutely amazing, a loss would be heartbreaking but either way I'm so proud of this team. Play with effort and heart in OT and I believe it'll fall our way
+1
Quote from: Chris H82OT. Let's hope for a repeat of the 2003 OT regional result against BC.
Matt McRae in Double OT! LGR!!
It was similar to Hutsons goal now that I think about it
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodA win would be absolutely amazing, a loss would be heartbreaking but either way I'm so proud of this team. Play with effort and heart in OT and I believe it'll fall our way
All we need is one good shift. One shot.
Exactly.
House money.
Come on red
Quote from: chimpfoodA win would be absolutely amazing, a loss would be heartbreaking but either way I'm so proud of this team. Play with effort and heart in OT and I believe it'll fall our way
Win or lose this has been an incredible turnaround to the season.
Cornell's support positioning has been impeccable through the playoffs. Hallmark of the Schafer era, I hope Jones can continue it.
Quote from: underskillIt was similar to Hutsons goal now that I think about it
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSGh7P3H1Lg)
Quote from: Big DingusHouse money.
Come on red
Do it for Schafer.
Quote from: Larry72Quote from: Chris H82OT. Let's hope for a repeat of the 2003 OT regional result against BC.
Matt McRae in Double OT! LGR!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSGh7P3H1Lg&ab_channel=WillDevine
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Big DingusHouse money.
Come on red
Do it for Schafer.
I don't care who they do it for. Just do it.
Quote from: ACMQuote from: stereaxQuote from: Big DingusHouse money.
Come on red
Do it for Schafer.
I don't care who they do it for. Just do it.
Agreed. Get her done.
Jason's call for the McCrae goal was the best
Quote from: Larry72Quote from: underskillIt was similar to Hutsons goal now that I think about it
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSGh7P3H1Lg)
http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2003/box20030330.pdf
Quote from: underskillJason's call for the McCrae goal was the best
Wasn't Adam doing radio for that run?
I love these guys, this team, Schafe. Smarts, willpower, and cutting edge. Deep breaths. Trust & Live.
Oh you're right.
So impressed that we're going at them and not hunkering down.
Quote from: arugulaSo impressed that we're going at them and not hunkering down.
These guys have so much heart.
Again, more crazy bounces off the boards.
BU probably thought they'd run away with 8 goals again.
no messing around they are getting pucks on net now
Quote from: ERBU probably thought they'd run away with 8 goals again.
I just said the same
So satisfying to see Kempf absolutely mug Lachance.
over.
God.
Well, crap.
BU was too much in OT. They looked like Cornell out there with the possession time.
Great run, Red, and thank you Schafer!
Nothing to be ashamed of. Just a great effort down the stretch and in the post season. They completely turned around a very disappointing season and gave us some thrill over the past month.
Little bit of a breakdown defensively. Got caught chasing the puck a little, then none of the three guys nearby went to cover the point. Nearest was Kempf, who isn't even supposed to be up there, so I can't blame him for trying to get back low.
Ah well.
That's that.
I love this team. They made us all proud.
The BU curse continues. What a run to end the season, though. This team was never really out of it
Quote from: Tom LentoBU was too much in OT. They looked like Cornell out there with the possession time.
Great run, Red, and thank you Schafer!
Yeah, you could feel that coming. We just couldn't get possession and get anything going after a few great chances early in OT.
We were every bit BU's match in this game, but the Regional Finals curse is what ultimately ended Schafer's remarkable coaching career.
Great stretch run! Thank you Big Red! Thank you Mike!
What a post season run to finish out Mike Schafer's coaching career.
Thank you Schafer.
Quote from: George64Great stretch run! Thank you Big Red! Thank you Mike!
They looked pretty devastated on the ice. No one moved for about 2 minutes
Thank you, seniors.
Thank you, Mike.
Quote from: George64Great stretch run! Thank you Big Red! Thank you Mike!
Yeah, thanks to the team and Coach Schafer!
1-10 in the second round is absolutely gut wrenching. We keep beating BU at MSG but losing the ones that matter. Man this hurts
Thank you Schafer. Thank you Big Red. You did so, so well.
Just cursed in the elite 8.
What a run man.
So depressing. That was the opportunity to finally break through. Three years straight having our years ended by ultra-skilled teams with 13+ draft picks.
Solid run through championships - great way to end such a tough season.
Quote from: BearLoverSo depressing. That was the opportunity to finally break through. Three years straight having our years ended by ultra-skilled teams with 13+ draft picks.
Well our lacrosse team is still #1!
These guys had the stuff of champions, regardless of this outcome. You don't play sports for moral victories, but they gave us everything we could have hoped for this year. Schafer deserved to win at least one natty, if we're being honest. A living legend. Thanks everyone
Quote from: kaburke00Solid run through championships - great way to end such a tough season.
For sure. Schafer's last rope-a-dope trick :')
This team played so well in the last half dozen games. Went toe to toe with teams ranked higher in the tournament. Obviously you don't want the run to end but they did Schafer proud.
Quote from: imafrshmnThese guys had the stuff of champions, regardless of this outcome. You don't play sports for moral victories, but they gave us everything we could have hoped for this year. Schafer deserved to win at least one natty, if we're being honest. A living legend. Thanks everyone
100%. ECAC champions. Champions in our hearts. Fought so hard, laid it all on the line. A storybook team, just without a fully storybook ending.
Thanks to you guys, too. I don't think I'd have become such a fan of Cornell hockey if it weren't for y'all, talking with me, telling me stories of the past, and being such a great community. I love all of you.
Quote from: BearLoverSo depressing. That was the opportunity to finally break through. Three years straight having our years ended by ultra-skilled teams with 13+ draft picks.
The one draft pick who mattered most was their mid-year mercenary goaltender; without him we win that game hands down. Welcome to college sports 2025. Given the changing landscape, even in "minor" sports like hockey, it's fair to wonder what our long-term outlook may be for staying nationally relevant.
Makes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSo depressing. That was the opportunity to finally break through. Three years straight having our years ended by ultra-skilled teams with 13+ draft picks.
The one draft pick who mattered most was their mid-year mercenary goaltender; without him we win that game hands down. Welcome to college sports 2025. Given the changing landscape, even in "minor" sports like hockey, it's fair to wonder what our long-term outlook may be for staying nationally relevant.
Yeah. They would have had no shot in this game without him. We probably would have played against a different team though. In any case, depressing to lose to yet another team playing by different rules.
Quote from: pfibigerQuote from: underskillJason's call for the McCrae goal was the best
Wasn't Adam doing radio for that run?
I was - somewhere I have that. Last time I saw Cornell win an NCAA game in person. Ugh.
I am here to read all your comments as therapy. I just can't even ... sad for everyone.
Quote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
Quote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
BigDingus just posts the most negative take whenever possible whether or not he has any idea if it is true. He is deeply unserious, he has zero knowledge about how college hockey works. When I post negative crap at least it's based in reality. Not worth engaging with him.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
This. Gotta have faith, guys. We may never be a true "powerhouse" team, but years such as this one have proved that we can hang with them. Trust in the process and the recruitment. Things always work out.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSo depressing. That was the opportunity to finally break through. Three years straight having our years ended by ultra-skilled teams with 13+ draft picks.
The one draft pick who mattered most was their mid-year mercenary goaltender; without him we win that game hands down. Welcome to college sports 2025. Given the changing landscape, even in "minor" sports like hockey, it's fair to wonder what our long-term outlook may be for staying nationally relevant.
Also there was one goal scored which was a real star goal. We have no one who could have scored bu's second goal. That was crazy.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
BigDingus just posts the most negative take whenever possible whether or not he has any idea if it is true. He is deeply unserious, he has zero knowledge about how college hockey works. When I post negative crap at least it's based in reality. Not worth engaging with him.
I still contend that you all are JHU**** from the old Laxpower Forum.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
BigDingus just posts the most negative take whenever possible whether or not he has any idea if it is true. He is deeply unserious, he has zero knowledge about how college hockey works. When I post negative crap at least it's based in reality. Not worth engaging with him.
I still contend that you all are JHU**** from the old Laxpower Forum.
I have no idea who or what that is
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
BigDingus just posts the most negative take whenever possible whether or not he has any idea if it is true. He is deeply unserious, he has zero knowledge about how college hockey works. When I post negative crap at least it's based in reality. Not worth engaging with him.
I still contend that you all are JHU**** from the old Laxpower Forum.
I have no idea who or what that is
IYKYK. They were hilarious in a way. A modern Davidsbundler.
BOSHockeyBlog: (https://x.com/boshockeyblog/status/1906121730256494716?s=46)
The Toledo All-Regional Team:
G — Ian Shane, Cornell
D — Cole Hutson, BU
D — Gavin McCarthy, BU
F — Ryan Walsh, Cornell
F — Jack Hughes, BU
Cole Hutson was named most outstanding player of the regional.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
BigDingus just posts the most negative take whenever possible whether or not he has any idea if it is true. He is deeply unserious, he has zero knowledge about how college hockey works. When I post negative crap at least it's based in reality. Not worth engaging with him.
I still contend that you all are JHU**** from the old Laxpower Forum.
I have no idea who or what that is
IYKYK. They were hilarious in a way. A modern Davidsbundler.
OK dude
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
BigDingus just posts the most negative take whenever possible whether or not he has any idea if it is true. He is deeply unserious, he has zero knowledge about how college hockey works. When I post negative crap at least it's based in reality. Not worth engaging with him.
I still contend that you all are JHU**** from the old Laxpower Forum.
I have no idea who or what that is
IYKYK. They were hilarious in a way. A modern Davidsbundler.
A few minutes ago Cornell lost in the regional for a third year in a row, capping a 1-10 record for Schafer in that round. Interesting post by you though
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
BigDingus just posts the most negative take whenever possible whether or not he has any idea if it is true. He is deeply unserious, he has zero knowledge about how college hockey works. When I post negative crap at least it's based in reality. Not worth engaging with him.
I still contend that you all are JHU**** from the old Laxpower Forum.
I have no idea who or what that is
IYKYK. They were hilarious in a way. A modern Davidsbundler.
A few minutes ago Cornell lost in the regional for a third year in a row, capping a 1-10 record for Schafer in that round. Interesting post by you though
We all have our ways of coping. Read a book, man. Or check Wikipedia.
Oddly fitting, though, that Fan Favorite Jack O'Leary scored the last goal of Schafer's coaching career.
So proud of these guys!
Some soft calls against us hurt - the 5 minute penalty sucked but the PK did great!
Wish Coach put up a stink on the Kraft assault -
But all in all, holding BU they way they did was impressive and they really did an amazing showing!
Quote from: fastforwardSo proud of these guys!
Some soft calls against us hurt - the 5 minute penalty sucked but the PK did great!
Wish Coach put up a stink on the Kraft assault -
But all in all, holding BU they way they did was impressive and they really did an amazing showing!
100%. What a way to go out with a bang.
Someone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
Quote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
Quote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
We're past 500 tonight, aren't we?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
We're past 500 tonight, aren't we?
Yes. And the MSU game count is 475 at the moment.
Schafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
Quote from: BearLoverSchafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
It is but I'm not going to keep crying over it
Welcome to Leafs fandom
Quote from: BearLoverSchafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
Yeah, of course it's painful. But you know what's more painful? Being a Brown or RPI fan who can only dream about being in our shoes. I don't hate on you like some others, but you need to get some perspective.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSchafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
Yeah, of course it's painful. But you know what's more painful? Being a Brown or RPI fan who can only dream about being in our shoes. I don't hate on you like some others, but you need to get some perspective.
Being a Brown or RPI fan would be way less painful lmao, I'd just stop watching and following a different sport. Not even in the same stratosphere of painful.
Quote from: BearLoverSchafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
Team that is handicapped by Ivy league rules and unable to take advantage of transfers
Almost impossible to get real, high draft pick blue chip prospects as well
Still perennial ECAC contenders, usually top 20 pairwise, and often makes NCAA tournament, generally getting 100% effort from every player on the team
You're rooting for the underdog...
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSchafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
Yeah, of course it's painful. But you know what's more painful? Being a Brown or RPI fan who can only dream about being in our shoes. I don't hate on you like some others, but you need to get some perspective.
I never understood the argument that you're not allowed to be upset because others have it so much worse. Would you say that to the team who only have about four years each?
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: stereaxQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
We're past 500 tonight, aren't we?
Yes. And the MSU game count is 475 at the moment.
Wow. Making records :)
Quote from: ERQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSchafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
Yeah, of course it's painful. But you know what's more painful? Being a Brown or RPI fan who can only dream about being in our shoes. I don't hate on you like some others, but you need to get some perspective.
I never understood the argument that you're not allowed to be upset because others have it so much worse. Would you say that to the team who only have about four years each?
of course you can be upset but you don't have to be so dreary and fatalist! if you think the future of the team is inevitably hopeless get a different hobby because this will bring you nothing but misery!
For me, obviously it's better than being a Brown or Rpi fan. What's frustrating is that to be in the regional final 11 times and only when once is just not fair. Dumb luck suggests more than that.
Quote from: ERQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSchafer 1-10 in regional finals including 8 in a row
Almost all in OT/by one goal
3 of last 5 losses were to BU
So painful to watch the same script play out every fucking year
Yeah, of course it's painful. But you know what's more painful? Being a Brown or RPI fan who can only dream about being in our shoes. I don't hate on you like some others, but you need to get some perspective.
I never understood the argument that you're not allowed to be upset because others have it so much worse. Would you say that to the team who only have about four years each?
I didn't say he's not allowed to be upset. Heck, the 2009 lax championship game continues to haunt me. I just thought it was worthwhile to point out how much joy we've gotten from this program and that these painful losses shouldn't obscure the overall success and emotional highs we've gotten from our team. But if he or anyone wants to wallow in their misery, have at it.
No one is wallowing but that is a shitty record. BU wasn't that much better than us. We should have had this one and I'm certain the players agree.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
This. Gotta have faith, guys. We may never be a true "powerhouse" team, but years such as this one have proved that we can hang with them. Trust in the process and the recruitment. Things always work out.
I have to say, Cornell went toe to toe with that 13+ draft pick team from Boston today. BU definitely had one or two standout players that were clearly better than anybody in red today, but apart from their power play (which, to be clear, is a big deal) they didn't look to be that much more talented as a team.
At the end of the day this was the Cornell team we thought we'd get all year. I'm glad they got everybody healthy and figured it out in time for the playoffs, because they were a lot of fun to watch.
Looking forward, Jones has a reputation as an excellent recruiter - he certainly got a solid core of talent for both Clarkson and Cornell in his earlier positions (obviously we don't yet know what he'll bring to Cornell as a head coach). I'm not sure how many true blue-chip recruits he can pull in to an Ivy given the various restrictions, but if you think about it a solid all-around program like Cornell only really needs to find a couple to get over the hump.
Quote from: arugulaFor me, obviously it's better than being a Brown or Rpi fan. What's frustrating is that to be in the regional final 11 times and only when once is just not fair. Dumb luck suggests more than that.
There are almost no Brown or RPI fans because those teams suck every year, the only reason there are any RPI fans in the first place is because the program was good at one point. Nobody is going to root for a program that's uncompetitive every season. Cornell hockey has a ton of fans because we've had lots of success and are competitive every year, that's where the whole tradition comes from. So it makes no sense to compare us to a program almost nobody cares about, it's apples to oranges. A apt comparison would be to somebody else who is always good but suffers excruciating endings to every season, UNH or somebody but they aren't even good anymore. Cornell stands alone as consistently good but never happy in the end, that's the source of the pain and it will never go away until we make a frozen four.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaFor me, obviously it's better than being a Brown or Rpi fan. What's frustrating is that to be in the regional final 11 times and only when once is just not fair. Dumb luck suggests more than that.
There are almost no Brown or RPI fans because those teams suck every year, the only reason there are any RPI fans in the first place is because the program was good at one point. Nobody is going to root for a program that's uncompetitive every season. Cornell hockey has a ton of fans because we've had lots of success and are competitive every year, that's where the whole tradition comes from. So it makes no sense to compare us to a program almost nobody cares about, it's apples to oranges. A apt comparison would be to somebody else who is always good but suffers excruciating endings to every season, UNH or somebody but they aren't even good anymore. Cornell stands alone as consistently good but never happy in the end, that's the source of the pain and it will never go away until we make a frozen four.
Actually, I take that back. I realized there is another program with a history extremely similar to that of Cornell hockey.
It's Cornell lacrosse.
Quote from: ERNo one is wallowing but that is a shitty record. BU wasn't that much better than us. We should have had this one and I'm certain the players agree.
I agree that today we were every bit as good as BU and there wasn't a moment watching the game that I didn't think we could win that game. Of course it's disappointing for all the players and the fans. I'm glad people care enough that it hurts.
All I want is one natty in my lifetime and I'll be happy. We've built a great foundation and it's truly remarkable how we make the quarterfinals every year but we need to get further at some point.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Wow I forgot about RichS
I figured this would be the super long game where Molson scored his last goal, a 2OT (3OT?) beauty to put Clarkson away. Then the ecacs, followed by tragedy vs Wisconsin in Milwaukee. But it's the game before!! With a Sawada GWG in 2OT.
Anyways.... Nothing to be ashamed of, what an unbelievable run. I really really liked this team. Incredible patience and grit, and Shane was a brick wall. Good health to coach and welcome to Casey.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
This. Gotta have faith, guys. We may never be a true "powerhouse" team, but years such as this one have proved that we can hang with them. Trust in the process and the recruitment. Things always work out.
I have to say, Cornell went toe to toe with that 13+ draft pick team from Boston today. BU definitely had one or two standout players that were clearly better than anybody in red today, but apart from their power play (which, to be clear, is a big deal) they didn't look to be that much more talented as a team.
At the end of the day this was the Cornell team we thought we'd get all year. I'm glad they got everybody healthy and figured it out in time for the playoffs, because they were a lot of fun to watch.
Looking forward, Jones has a reputation as an excellent recruiter - he certainly got a solid core of talent for both Clarkson and Cornell in his earlier positions (obviously we don't yet know what he'll bring to Cornell as a head coach). I'm not sure how many true blue-chip recruits he can pull in to an Ivy given the various restrictions, but if you think about it a solid all-around program like Cornell only really needs to find a couple to get over the hump.
Nodding enthusiastically along. If you told me in December we'd lose to BU in overtime in the NCAA regionals after winning against MSU, I'd have told you you were crazy. The Big Red put up a great fight, despite a disparity in talent, and should be commended.
I can't wait to see the Jones Big Red next year. Hoping that at some point we can recruit one of those nice first/second round players who are impact NHLers, but we'll see.
Quote from: BMacQuote from: David HardingQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Wow I forgot about RichS
I figured this would be the super long game where Molson scored his last goal, a 2OT (3OT?) beauty to put Clarkson away. Then the ecacs, followed by tragedy vs Wisconsin in Milwaukee. But it's the game before!! With a Sawada GWG in 2OT.
Anyways.... Nothing to be ashamed of, what an unbelievable run. I really really liked this team. Incredible patience and grit, and Shane was a brick wall. Good health to coach and welcome to Casey.
But if we go back on our posts during the season (including mine) we were incredibly frustrated by this team until we got healthy and played like the team we expected all season long. I thought today was about as well as we've played all season against an excellent and skilled team, which of course leaves us all thinking "what if."
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
This. Gotta have faith, guys. We may never be a true "powerhouse" team, but years such as this one have proved that we can hang with them. Trust in the process and the recruitment. Things always work out.
I have to say, Cornell went toe to toe with that 13+ draft pick team from Boston today. BU definitely had one or two standout players that were clearly better than anybody in red today, but apart from their power play (which, to be clear, is a big deal) they didn't look to be that much more talented as a team.
At the end of the day this was the Cornell team we thought we'd get all year. I'm glad they got everybody healthy and figured it out in time for the playoffs, because they were a lot of fun to watch.
Looking forward, Jones has a reputation as an excellent recruiter - he certainly got a solid core of talent for both Clarkson and Cornell in his earlier positions (obviously we don't yet know what he'll bring to Cornell as a head coach). I'm not sure how many true blue-chip recruits he can pull in to an Ivy given the various restrictions, but if you think about it a solid all-around program like Cornell only really needs to find a couple to get over the hump.
Nodding enthusiastically along. If you told me in December we'd lose to BU in overtime in the NCAA regionals after winning against MSU, I'd have told you you were crazy. The Big Red put up a great fight, despite a disparity in talent, and should be commended.
I can't wait to see the Jones Big Red next year. Hoping that at some point we can recruit one of those nice first/second round players who are impact NHLers, but we'll see.
As college sports, even hockey, devolves into pay for play, it seems unlikely we'll be able to bring in the super elite talent. But we'll have to see how this shakes out over the next few years.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BMacQuote from: David HardingQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Wow I forgot about RichS
I figured this would be the super long game where Molson scored his last goal, a 2OT (3OT?) beauty to put Clarkson away. Then the ecacs, followed by tragedy vs Wisconsin in Milwaukee. But it's the game before!! With a Sawada GWG in 2OT.
Anyways.... Nothing to be ashamed of, what an unbelievable run. I really really liked this team. Incredible patience and grit, and Shane was a brick wall. Good health to coach and welcome to Casey.
But if we go back on our posts during the season (including mine) we were incredibly frustrated by this team until we got healthy and played like the team we expected all season long. I thought today was about as well as we've played all season against an excellent and skilled team, which of course leaves us all thinking "what if."
Right, nobody is ashamed of anything, nobody doubts this was a great run, nobody doesn't love Schafer. People who are upset and complaining are doing so because this was yet another team capable of going to the frozen four or farther but didn't get there. That this was a great run nobody saw coming a month ago is beside the point. When you get to the regional final, however you get there, you have a special opportunity to do something amazing for your program and your school. And under Schafer we are now 1-10 in those opportunities.
Okay...
And so my watch has ended, really thought was gonna get to start another gamethread this season but alas
someone new will need to start next season with a thread for the Red/White game...
I didnt want to be on my phone during the game and will now have to go back and read from the start,
I assume all about the game, horrible ref calls, team spirit etc. has been discussed but for now:
The Lynah Faithful will one day be rewarded, and lets hang a ten spot on BU at the Garden in Nov.!
The King is dead, Long Live the King - see you all in Vegas for the Frozen Four next April!
The false bravado is hiding my tears, will never hear the band play Schafer song after a win again...
One of the annoying paradoxes about winning big hockey games seems to be that when players are able to take it for granted, to some extent, they can play freer. Feeling the weight of the opportunity is not always psychologically beneficial. Maybe that's part of our track record in the regional, maybe not.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BMacQuote from: David HardingQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Wow I forgot about RichS
I figured this would be the super long game where Molson scored his last goal, a 2OT (3OT?) beauty to put Clarkson away. Then the ecacs, followed by tragedy vs Wisconsin in Milwaukee. But it's the game before!! With a Sawada GWG in 2OT.
Anyways.... Nothing to be ashamed of, what an unbelievable run. I really really liked this team. Incredible patience and grit, and Shane was a brick wall. Good health to coach and welcome to Casey.
But if we go back on our posts during the season (including mine) we were incredibly frustrated by this team until we got healthy and played like the team we expected all season long. I thought today was about as well as we've played all season against an excellent and skilled team, which of course leaves us all thinking "what if."
Right, nobody is ashamed of anything, nobody doubts this was a great run, nobody doesn't love Schafer. People who are upset and complaining are doing so because this was yet another team capable of going to the frozen four or farther but didn't get there. That this was a great run nobody saw coming a month ago is beside the point. When you get to the regional final, however you get there, you have a special opportunity to do something amazing for your program and your school. And under Schafer we are now 1-10 in those opportunities.
Unless you have played Ivy League sports, coached or otherwise had a connection other than an armchair commentator, you should just shut up. What these young men and women and their coaches do is nothing short of amazing. The players hold down two full-time jobs -- Ivy league student and D1 athlete -- and they devote all their time and effort to achieving the best results they can. Because they WANT TO, not because anyone pays them [at least not yet]. And in many sports, not because athletic success might translate into a future paycheck. Ivy League coaches like Mike Schafer devote their working lives to coaching and teaching their athletes for the same reason.
Shit happens. Players get hurt, get sick, have a bad game. Get over it. We are talking about college sports not the NHL. How the hell do you know that this group of young men had more "potential?" Do you think they didn't do their best to win the games they lost? Do you think they are lazy, uncommitted, unfocussed? How about being happy about what they achieved? And how about acknowledging that whatever disappointment and pain you are feeling about the game we just lost is NOTHING compared to what the team is feeling right now.
As fans it is one thing to post observations and opinions about how a game unfolds and perhaps even the choices it appears that a player makes on the ice. Whether the officials got it right, whether our team got the bounces. But to devolve to the point that you castigate a coach because he only took his team to the Frozen Four once in his career is just immature.
If it weren't for the insights and hilarious posts on eLynah that outnumbered your whining, I would just stop visiting this site.
Quote from: dag14...whatever disappointment and pain you are feeling about the game we just lost is NOTHING compared to what the team is feeling right now.
I hope that team knows they've made all of us (most of us, at minimum) proud with just how hard they fought for it.
Quote from: dag14Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BMacQuote from: David HardingQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Wow I forgot about RichS
I figured this would be the super long game where Molson scored his last goal, a 2OT (3OT?) beauty to put Clarkson away. Then the ecacs, followed by tragedy vs Wisconsin in Milwaukee. But it's the game before!! With a Sawada GWG in 2OT.
Anyways.... Nothing to be ashamed of, what an unbelievable run. I really really liked this team. Incredible patience and grit, and Shane was a brick wall. Good health to coach and welcome to Casey.
But if we go back on our posts during the season (including mine) we were incredibly frustrated by this team until we got healthy and played like the team we expected all season long. I thought today was about as well as we've played all season against an excellent and skilled team, which of course leaves us all thinking "what if."
Right, nobody is ashamed of anything, nobody doubts this was a great run, nobody doesn't love Schafer. People who are upset and complaining are doing so because this was yet another team capable of going to the frozen four or farther but didn't get there. That this was a great run nobody saw coming a month ago is beside the point. When you get to the regional final, however you get there, you have a special opportunity to do something amazing for your program and your school. And under Schafer we are now 1-10 in those opportunities.
Unless you have played Ivy League sports, coached or otherwise had a connection other than an armchair commentator, you should just shut up. What these young men and women and their coaches do is nothing short of amazing. The players hold down two full-time jobs -- Ivy league student and D1 athlete -- and they devote all their time and effort to achieving the best results they can. Because they WANT TO, not because anyone pays them [at least not yet]. And in many sports, not because athletic success might translate into a future paycheck. Ivy League coaches like Mike Schafer devote their working lives to coaching and teaching their athletes for the same reason.
Shit happens. Players get hurt, get sick, have a bad game. Get over it. We are talking about college sports not the NHL. How the hell do you know that this group of young men had more "potential?" Do you think they didn't do their best to win the games they lost? Do you think they are lazy, uncommitted, unfocussed? How about being happy about what they achieved? And how about acknowledging that whatever disappointment and pain you are feeling about the game we just lost is NOTHING compared to what the team is feeling right now.
As fans it is one thing to post observations and opinions about how a game unfolds and perhaps even the choices it appears that a player makes on the ice. Whether the officials got it right, whether our team got the bounces. But to devolve to the point that you castigate a coach because he only took his team to the Frozen Four once in his career is just immature.
If it weren't for the insights and hilarious posts on eLynah that outnumbered your whining, I would just stop visiting this site.
Sorry, what? Maybe you should re-read my post or something because you're arguing a bunch of stuff that I agree with and that should be completely obvious.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: dag14...whatever disappointment and pain you are feeling about the game we just lost is NOTHING compared to what the team is feeling right now.
I hope that team knows they've made all of us (most of us, at minimum) proud with just how hard they fought for it.
You are one of the posters that keeps me coming back.
Quote from: dag14Quote from: stereaxQuote from: dag14...whatever disappointment and pain you are feeling about the game we just lost is NOTHING compared to what the team is feeling right now.
I hope that team knows they've made all of us (most of us, at minimum) proud with just how hard they fought for it.
You are one of the posters that keeps me coming back.
That's flattery, hahaha. But I'm glad I have a positive impact like that :D
Well said:
The players hold down two full-time jobs -- Ivy league student and D1 athlete -- and they devote all their time and effort to achieving the best results they can. Because they WANT TO, not because anyone pays them [at least not yet]. And in many sports, not because athletic success might translate into a future paycheck. Ivy League coaches like Mike Schafer devote their working lives to coaching and teaching their athletes for the same reason.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: dag14Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BMacQuote from: David HardingQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Buddy -- you do more than your share of whining. In spite of what you think you are posting, that is what the rest of us read.
Wow I forgot about RichS
I figured this would be the super long game where Molson scored his last goal, a 2OT (3OT?) beauty to put Clarkson away. Then the ecacs, followed by tragedy vs Wisconsin in Milwaukee. But it's the game before!! With a Sawada GWG in 2OT.
Anyways.... Nothing to be ashamed of, what an unbelievable run. I really really liked this team. Incredible patience and grit, and Shane was a brick wall. Good health to coach and welcome to Casey.
But if we go back on our posts during the season (including mine) we were incredibly frustrated by this team until we got healthy and played like the team we expected all season long. I thought today was about as well as we've played all season against an excellent and skilled team, which of course leaves us all thinking "what if."
Right, nobody is ashamed of anything, nobody doubts this was a great run, nobody doesn't love Schafer. People who are upset and complaining are doing so because this was yet another team capable of going to the frozen four or farther but didn't get there. That this was a great run nobody saw coming a month ago is beside the point. When you get to the regional final, however you get there, you have a special opportunity to do something amazing for your program and your school. And under Schafer we are now 1-10 in those opportunities.
Unless you have played Ivy League sports, coached or otherwise had a connection other than an armchair commentator, you should just shut up. What these young men and women and their coaches do is nothing short of amazing. The players hold down two full-time jobs -- Ivy league student and D1 athlete -- and they devote all their time and effort to achieving the best results they can. Because they WANT TO, not because anyone pays them [at least not yet]. And in many sports, not because athletic success might translate into a future paycheck. Ivy League coaches like Mike Schafer devote their working lives to coaching and teaching their athletes for the same reason.
Shit happens. Players get hurt, get sick, have a bad game. Get over it. We are talking about college sports not the NHL. How the hell do you know that this group of young men had more "potential?" Do you think they didn't do their best to win the games they lost? Do you think they are lazy, uncommitted, unfocussed? How about being happy about what they achieved? And how about acknowledging that whatever disappointment and pain you are feeling about the game we just lost is NOTHING compared to what the team is feeling right now.
As fans it is one thing to post observations and opinions about how a game unfolds and perhaps even the choices it appears that a player makes on the ice. Whether the officials got it right, whether our team got the bounces. But to devolve to the point that you castigate a coach because he only took his team to the Frozen Four once in his career is just immature.
If it weren't for the insights and hilarious posts on eLynah that outnumbered your whining, I would just stop visiting this site.
Sorry, what? Maybe you should re-read my post or something because you're arguing a bunch of stuff that I agree with and that should be completely obvious.
I have read every entry you have posted, at least this year. You whine, complain, and criticize. That is what the rest of us take away from your posts.
Quote from: stereaxI hope that team knows they've made all of us (most of us, at minimum) proud with just how hard they fought for it.
1000% True
Quote from: dag14Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: dag14Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BMacQuote from: David HardingQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingSomeone asked about number of posts in a game thread. I scanned to the beginning of time and the previous record was 317 for a playoff game with Clarkson in March 11, 2006. That one was followed by a separate post-game thread of 143 posts, for a total of 460.
i wonder how much of it was dick swinging from guys fighting for the title of gloomiest poster
Much more likely it was dick swinging from the people happy when Cornell is losing 6-1 to Dartmouth and Union and blaming every thing on injuries, as they comprise 90% of this forum
https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,88730
Buddy -- you do more than your share of whining. In spite of what you think you are posting, that is what the rest of us read.
Wow I forgot about RichS
I figured this would be the super long game where Molson scored his last goal, a 2OT (3OT?) beauty to put Clarkson away. Then the ecacs, followed by tragedy vs Wisconsin in Milwaukee. But it's the game before!! With a Sawada GWG in 2OT.
Anyways.... Nothing to be ashamed of, what an unbelievable run. I really really liked this team. Incredible patience and grit, and Shane was a brick wall. Good health to coach and welcome to Casey.
But if we go back on our posts during the season (including mine) we were incredibly frustrated by this team until we got healthy and played like the team we expected all season long. I thought today was about as well as we've played all season against an excellent and skilled team, which of course leaves us all thinking "what if."
Right, nobody is ashamed of anything, nobody doubts this was a great run, nobody doesn't love Schafer. People who are upset and complaining are doing so because this was yet another team capable of going to the frozen four or farther but didn't get there. That this was a great run nobody saw coming a month ago is beside the point. When you get to the regional final, however you get there, you have a special opportunity to do something amazing for your program and your school. And under Schafer we are now 1-10 in those opportunities.
Unless you have played Ivy League sports, coached or otherwise had a connection other than an armchair commentator, you should just shut up. What these young men and women and their coaches do is nothing short of amazing. The players hold down two full-time jobs -- Ivy league student and D1 athlete -- and they devote all their time and effort to achieving the best results they can. Because they WANT TO, not because anyone pays them [at least not yet]. And in many sports, not because athletic success might translate into a future paycheck. Ivy League coaches like Mike Schafer devote their working lives to coaching and teaching their athletes for the same reason.
Shit happens. Players get hurt, get sick, have a bad game. Get over it. We are talking about college sports not the NHL. How the hell do you know that this group of young men had more "potential?" Do you think they didn't do their best to win the games they lost? Do you think they are lazy, uncommitted, unfocussed? How about being happy about what they achieved? And how about acknowledging that whatever disappointment and pain you are feeling about the game we just lost is NOTHING compared to what the team is feeling right now.
As fans it is one thing to post observations and opinions about how a game unfolds and perhaps even the choices it appears that a player makes on the ice. Whether the officials got it right, whether our team got the bounces. But to devolve to the point that you castigate a coach because he only took his team to the Frozen Four once in his career is just immature.
If it weren't for the insights and hilarious posts on eLynah that outnumbered your whining, I would just stop visiting this site.
Sorry, what? Maybe you should re-read my post or something because you're arguing a bunch of stuff that I agree with and that should be completely obvious.
I have read every entry you have posted, at least this year. You whine, complain, and criticize. That is what the rest of us take away from your posts.
I also celebrate, cheer, and praise. Depending on what I think of the team. I did plenty of celebrating the last few weeks, and plenty of complaining when the team was underachieving for most of the year. You're lecturing me about the trials of being a D-1 athlete in the Ivy League in response to a totally innocuous post where I said nobody is ashamed of what they've accomplished. I was bemoaning our horrible luck in the regional final and you went off on me about how hard it is to be a Cornell athlete. You're arguing against a strawman lol
Count me in the 1000% proud camp. It would have been so easy for this team to mail it in - they had every excuse in the world NOT to put in the extra effort it must have taken to gel late Feb & March with a completely different lineup than they had a month before. Their record was already a millstone around their necks - by the time everyone got healthy, it was clear we were going on the road for the ECAC playoffs, with a run to Lake Placid very unlikely. Just let the season run out and move on with life.
But they didn't take that path - they did not let the situation control their intensity. They buckled down and poured their hearts into every shift, steamrolling Colgate on the road, never giving up against Q, controlling Clarkson, taking down the #1 team in the polls, and taking arguably the most skilled team in the country to OT.
I could not be prouder - which is exactly why it hurts so much. If losing didn't hurt, then winning wouldn't be special, and that's not a life I choose to live. I want the highs, so I take the lows. You cannot have one without the other.
Let's Go Red.
Definitely agree - Linesman got in there and pushed Walsh's arm down and he was only holding 2 players off as best he could from what I saw.
I really enjoyed this season - TY coach! thank you Seniors! And thank you all the players!
And s special thanks to the many support staff that help make this program what it is!
I will look forward to next fall with all the patience I can muster.
Quote from: RobbCount me in the 1000% proud camp. It would have been so easy for this team to mail it in - they had every excuse in the world NOT to put in the extra effort it must have taken to gel late Feb & March with a completely different lineup than they had a month before. Their record was already a millstone around their necks - by the time everyone got healthy, it was clear we were going on the road for the ECAC playoffs, with a run to Lake Placid very unlikely. Just let the season run out and move on with life.
But they didn't take that path - they did not let the situation control their intensity. They buckled down and poured their hearts into every shift, steamrolling Colgate on the road, never giving up against Q, controlling Clarkson, taking down the #1 team in the polls, and taking arguably the most skilled team in the country to OT.
I could not be prouder - which is exactly why it hurts so much. If losing didn't hurt, then winning wouldn't be special, and that's not a life I choose to live. I want the highs, so I take the lows. You cannot have one without the other.
Let's Go Red.
This exactly. So much to be proud of. That's why it smarts.
LGR.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: WillQuote from: Big DingusMakes you wonder if this was our last true shot at it given the changing recruiting environment with the CHL.
Probably not, but we've already had trouble trying to keep up with perennial powerhouses of college hockey. It'll be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. Schafer frequently found a way to put together the right team in spite of a general lack of superstars. Hopefully Casey will be able to follow suit.
How about hopefully Casey will be able to attract some blue-chip recruits.
This. Gotta have faith, guys. We may never be a true "powerhouse" team, but years such as this one have proved that we can hang with them. Trust in the process and the recruitment. Things always work out.
I have to say, Cornell went toe to toe with that 13+ draft pick team from Boston today. BU definitely had one or two standout players that were clearly better than anybody in red today, but apart from their power play (which, to be clear, is a big deal) they didn't look to be that much more talented as a team.
At the end of the day this was the Cornell team we thought we'd get all year. I'm glad they got everybody healthy and figured it out in time for the playoffs, because they were a lot of fun to watch.
Looking forward, Jones has a reputation as an excellent recruiter - he certainly got a solid core of talent for both Clarkson and Cornell in his earlier positions (obviously we don't yet know what he'll bring to Cornell as a head coach). I'm not sure how many true blue-chip recruits he can pull in to an Ivy given the various restrictions, but if you think about it a solid all-around program like Cornell only really needs to find a couple to get over the hump.
Nodding enthusiastically along. If you told me in December we'd lose to BU in overtime in the NCAA regionals after winning against MSU, I'd have told you you were crazy. The Big Red put up a great fight, despite a disparity in talent, and should be commended.
I can't wait to see the Jones Big Red next year. Hoping that at some point we can recruit one of those nice first/second round players who are impact NHLers, but we'll see.
As college sports, even hockey, devolves into pay for play, it seems unlikely we'll be able to bring in the super elite talent. But we'll have to see how this shakes out over the next few years.
We have rarely brought in super elite talent. We rely on depth, longevity, chemistry, and THE SYSTEM. Should still be able to rely on those things. We recruit from a smaller pool but those players want us too. A Gabe Seger isn't going to a Big10 school for example.
Quote from: RobbCount me in the 1000% proud camp. It would have been so easy for this team to mail it in - they had every excuse in the world NOT to put in the extra effort it must have taken to gel late Feb & March with a completely different lineup than they had a month before. Their record was already a millstone around their necks - by the time everyone got healthy, it was clear we were going on the road for the ECAC playoffs, with a run to Lake Placid very unlikely. Just let the season run out and move on with life.
But they didn't take that path - they did not let the situation control their intensity. They buckled down and poured their hearts into every shift, steamrolling Colgate on the road, never giving up against Q, controlling Clarkson, taking down the #1 team in the polls, and taking arguably the most skilled team in the country to OT.
I could not be prouder - which is exactly why it hurts so much. If losing didn't hurt, then winning wouldn't be special, and that's not a life I choose to live. I want the highs, so I take the lows. You cannot have one without the other.
Let's Go Red.
+1 1000%
Nice tweet from BU hockey congratulating Coach.
Quote from: arugulaNice tweet from BU hockey congratulating Coach.
I needed a minute to sit there and cry about that one.
Honestly, I don't give a Flying F--- that we haven't won a national championship or made it back to a Frozen Four in decades. I didn't even know what the Frozen Four was 5 years ago. I love watching Cornell hockey. Hard to think of a more fun place to be than Lynah Rink. The minute I hear "Good evening hockey fans" I get happy. Ditto for listening to Grady and Tim on ESPN.
I don't hope for a whole bunch of first-round hot-shot draft picks. I like that we don't accept 17 transfers or graduate students. I don't wish for Cornell to be able to bend their athletic academic standards one bit. I like our identity just as it is: true student-athletes at a top university that play like a TEAM. That means we win less, so what. It just that much more fun when we do beat those other types of teams.
The team's previous 3 games were as awesome as a fan could ask for. The team played their heart out against BU. What an incredible story this season has been. I'm grateful for it all.
LGR
After waking up from a nap this loss feels even more devastating, what a depressing way to end the careers of Schafer and ten seniors after all they've been through. 1-10 in the regional final under a HOF coach, it feels impossible. What a cursed program, can't even get lucky one time in the final season of our great coach. This will hurt for the entire offseason and forever.
Quote from: arugulaNice tweet from BU hockey congratulating Coach.
Honestly, yawn. I have negative respect for them and want them to lose 10-0 next game. They're up there with Quinnipiac at this point.
I will remember this season more than most, for everything, and especially for the playoff run. This year -- lows and highs -- was what Cornell hockey is all about, Charlie Brown.
Have a great offseason, everyone. I'll see you on the TBRW Awards (http://www.tbrw.info/?/tbrw_Info/tbrwAwards.html) thread after I grieve.
Quote from: TrotskyI will remember this season more than most, for everything, and especially for the playoff run. This year -- lows and highs -- was what Cornell hockey is all about, Charlie Brown.
Have a great offseason, everyone. I'll see you on the TBRW Awards (http://www.tbrw.info/?/tbrw_Info/tbrwAwards.html) thread after I grieve.
Don't think I could ask for a (much) better crash course in Big Red hockey. The playoff run was legendary - grinding our way through 3-1-2 in the ECACs and then knocking out a top 2 team in the Pairwise and going toe-to-toe with BU, so many of those games absolute nailbiters. I don't usually believe in magic, but man, I think the Hockey Gods gave us just a little bit of it.
I'm not going anywhere - idk if the forum goes completely dormant during the offseason or whether chats will still happen in other sports or in the general section, but checking ELynah has just become such a part of my daily routine, I can't walk away until training camp.
Man. What a ride.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyI will remember this season more than most, for everything, and especially for the playoff run. This year -- lows and highs -- was what Cornell hockey is all about, Charlie Brown.
Have a great offseason, everyone. I'll see you on the TBRW Awards (http://www.tbrw.info/?/tbrw_Info/tbrwAwards.html) thread after I grieve.
Don't think I could ask for a (much) better crash course in Big Red hockey. The playoff run was legendary - grinding our way through 3-1-2 in the ECACs and then knocking out a top 2 team in the Pairwise and going toe-to-toe with BU, so many of those games absolute nailbiters. I don't usually believe in magic, but man, I think the Hockey Gods gave us just a little bit of it.
I'm not going anywhere - idk if the forum goes completely dormant during the offseason or whether chats will still happen in other sports or in the general section, but checking ELynah has just become such a part of my daily routine, I can't walk away until training camp.
Man. What a ride.
You picked a helluva inaugural season. Welcome to the cult, here's your beads and funny hat.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyI will remember this season more than most, for everything, and especially for the playoff run. This year -- lows and highs -- was what Cornell hockey is all about, Charlie Brown.
Have a great offseason, everyone. I'll see you on the TBRW Awards (http://www.tbrw.info/?/tbrw_Info/tbrwAwards.html) thread after I grieve.
Don't think I could ask for a (much) better crash course in Big Red hockey. The playoff run was legendary - grinding our way through 3-1-2 in the ECACs and then knocking out a top 2 team in the Pairwise and going toe-to-toe with BU, so many of those games absolute nailbiters. I don't usually believe in magic, but man, I think the Hockey Gods gave us just a little bit of it.
I'm not going anywhere - idk if the forum goes completely dormant during the offseason or whether chats will still happen in other sports or in the general section, but checking ELynah has just become such a part of my daily routine, I can't walk away until training camp.
Man. What a ride.
You picked a helluva inaugural season. Welcome to the cult, here's your beads and funny hat.
You mean my friendship bracelet and rodeo hat? :D
My first season was Dick Bertrand's final, so there's some fun parallelism. It was also the start of the only three-year stretch in history where we missed the ECAC playoffs entirely, which is why I cannot be disappointed by this team, ever. Every playoff win a treasure.
I'm sitting in a bar outside of Toledo doing some...soaking, for the lack of a better word.
They have Hockey Night in Canada on, and during the 2nd intermission, they played highlights of our game, which honestly was surprising. No sound, so I have to guess, but given the pro prospects on BU, they mentioned that. Then there was a shot of Schafer behind the bench tonight, followed by old photos of the analysts from their playing days at Western Michigan, where Mike had his previous job. This on the CBC, going out to all of Canada. It was in my head how appropriate it would have been to end it all vs WMU, but storybooks aren't always cooperative.
The number of lives this guy has touched amateur, pro, coaching, broadcasting, and just in life isn't really spoken of, and thinking of it, it is astounding.
I welled on the outside once or twice during the postgame, but you can believe my soul was and still is, sobbing. I snapped a few photos as it's clearly the end of an era. Right before walking off the ice, the referee handed him the game puck. (Or that's what it looked like).
I know there will be more tribute threads here, but Christ, what a legend.
Quote from: TrotskyMy first season was Dick Bertrand's final, so there's some fun parallelism. It was also the start of the only three-year stretch in history where we missed the ECAC playoffs entirely, which is why I cannot be disappointed by this team, ever. Every playoff win a treasure.
How about we don't talk about missing the ECAC playoffs... hahahahahah... even if it's mathematically impossible as far as I'm aware...
Quote from: RichHI'm sitting in a bar outside of Toledo doing some...soaking, for the lack of a better word.
It's really sinking in for me now, I think, lying in bed at night. I'm not crying... much. Just, man, I'm so fuckin' proud of this team, and it's not coming back nearly the same next year, and we couldn't muster up enough magic to beat Schafer's final demon (the regional finals), and just. Man. Man. What a run, what a legacy to leave. Even if the storybook has an imperfect ending. That's
our team. And they fought to the bitter end.
Schafer as a coach spans literally half (http://www.tbrw.info/?/cornell_History/cornell_Bargraph_ECAC_Playoff.html) of modern Cornell hockey history, not even accounting for his time as player and assistant coach.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyMy first season was Dick Bertrand's final, so there's some fun parallelism. It was also the start of the only three-year stretch in history where we missed the ECAC playoffs entirely, which is why I cannot be disappointed by this team, ever. Every playoff win a treasure.
How about we don't talk about missing the ECAC playoffs... hahahahahah... even if it's mathematically impossible as far as I'm aware...
My freshman year, Cornell was one of two teams to have won their final game. (We lost the previous 11). People think Lynah looks empty now...
Quote from: RichHQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyMy first season was Dick Bertrand's final, so there's some fun parallelism. It was also the start of the only three-year stretch in history where we missed the ECAC playoffs entirely, which is why I cannot be disappointed by this team, ever. Every playoff win a treasure.
How about we don't talk about missing the ECAC playoffs... hahahahahah... even if it's mathematically impossible as far as I'm aware...
My freshman year, Cornell was one of two teams to have won their final game. (We lost the previous 11). People think Lynah looks empty now...
God bless 1993 (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Color_All_Games.html).
That year I was driving a noted Cornell VIP back from Appleton in the snow and as well peeled out of the parking lot he said, "You just missed the chance to run over Brian McCutcheon," and I said "Want me to go round again?"
Quote from: RobbCount me in the 1000% proud camp. It would have been so easy for this team to mail it in - they had every excuse in the world NOT to put in the extra effort it must have taken to gel late Feb & March with a completely different lineup than they had a month before. Their record was already a millstone around their necks - by the time everyone got healthy, it was clear we were going on the road for the ECAC playoffs, with a run to Lake Placid very unlikely. Just let the season run out and move on with life.
But they didn't take that path - they did not let the situation control their intensity. They buckled down and poured their hearts into every shift, steamrolling Colgate on the road, never giving up against Q, controlling Clarkson, taking down the #1 team in the polls, and taking arguably the most skilled team in the country to OT.
I could not be prouder - which is exactly why it hurts so much. If losing didn't hurt, then winning wouldn't be special, and that's not a life I choose to live. I want the highs, so I take the lows. You cannot have one without the other.
Let's Go Red.
In the press conference after the ECAC final Schafer talked about how the team decided to go training camp mode as they got close to full strength in February instead of doing the usual taper, and how hard that was for them in terms of both scheduling and physical workload. They went for it, they worked for it, and it paid off big.
They're conference champions and they played a tremendous NCAA tournament, and as the pain of this loss fades I'm sure earning that title will be incredibly satisfying after such a challenging and disappointing regular season.
I think people need to separate our incredible run the past few weeks from how devastating of a loss today was. Yes, I'm extremely proud of this team and of this program and of Schafer. Yes, this was an amazing few weeks. But we were in OT of the regional final. We are in this position precious few times, and today things didn't go our way, yet again. 1-10 in regional finals is horrifically unlucky; even if we were 40% to win each game (which is low) we should have 4 or 5 frozen fours and probably a national championship under Schafer.
And so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen. I've had the whole year to celebrate Schafer, and days and weeks to celebrate our run. To lose in OT to BU, with the frozen four on the line, in the same game for the third year in a row, in our coach's final season, is brutal. If your immediately reaction to our season ending is to write how grateful you are, I think that's a coping mechanism. Which is fine! I have my own coping mechanism, which is my usual Charlie Brown act. Trosky has his, which is putting words in people's mouths and calling them a POS. Everyone copes in their own way.
But just because I bemoan how horrifically bad this loss was doesn't mean I don't appreciate Schafer or this program. If you seriously think that, you're absolutely nuts. Two things can be true: (1) Schafer had a great career, and (2) this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.
Quote from: SnowballHonestly, I don't give a Flying F--- that we haven't won a national championship or made it back to a Frozen Four in decades. I didn't even know what the Frozen Four was 5 years ago. I love watching Cornell hockey. Hard to think of a more fun place to be than Lynah Rink. The minute I hear "Good evening hockey fans" I get happy. Ditto for listening to Grady and Tim on ESPN.
I don't hope for a whole bunch of first-round hot-shot draft picks. I like that we don't accept 17 transfers or graduate students. I don't wish for Cornell to be able to bend their athletic academic standards one bit. I like our identity just as it is: true student-athletes at a top university that play like a TEAM. That means we win less, so what. It just that much more fun when we do beat those other types of teams.
The team's previous 3 games were as awesome as a fan could ask for. The team played their heart out against BU. What an incredible story this season has been. I'm grateful for it all.
LGR
I'm totally in agreement with everything you just said.
Cornell hockey, to me, is a way of life.
The guys truly put everything into it, morning, noon and night, and weekends too.
I respect their dedication and commitment.
I will be forever grateful and proud.
Quote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
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Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
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Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
seconding crochet! I used to mess around with crochet while watching NHL games - a hobby I should get back to, tbh - and it's super rewarding to make little projects :)
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
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Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Bearlover, I raised sea levels .000001" to make you this. I hope you find no enjoyment in its beauty and may your glass always stay half empty.
(https://i.imgur.com/7vqYVYM.jpeg)
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
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Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Can you guys all just fucking quit it? If he wants to describe it as brutal (which emotionally, is accurate) why is that so triggering? It's a forum. People can express their opinions and feelings freely. No one's feelings are more or less valid than the next. If you don't like someone's' comment, just keep scrolling. But I've had about enough of the quibbling. Y'all need to grow up.
I think Bearlover is the worst poster ever to sign up for this forum - but unfortunately he is right.
The string of losses in this game is depressing and the fact that we could not just get the ONE bounce to get us over the hump is horrible. In 10 games, not once could anything go our way to go to the frozen four. Not luck, nothing. That's horrible and it is the same thing every year.
It really is a mystery.
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
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Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn't been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?
Also, why do you even care what I think? I'm just expressing my own opinion, I'm not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.
If nothing else this loss and what it meant for Cornell hockey should reinvigorate the "screw BU" cheer, may the pep band oblige.
Quote from: BahnstormIf nothing else this loss and what it meant for Cornell hockey should reinvigorate the "screw BU" cheer, may the pep band oblige.
This. They are a Very Real Enemy again after the 2 QF knock outs and Red Hot Hockey; more relevant at the moment than Harvard and indeed anyone but Q and Clarkson.
I came to hockey sentience with the rivalry, and am so glad to see it alive and well.
So, for people who went, what did you think of Toledo? A Michigander I know said "we fought Ohio for it and they lost."
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
.
Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn't been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?
Also, why do you even care what I think? I'm just expressing my own opinion, I'm not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.
I've mostly stayed out of this never-ending nonsense but I'm tired of it.
This isn't a sports forum in the sense of a bunch of anonymous semi-literate know it alls yelling at each other online to feel better about themselves. There are plenty of places online for that. I stopped spending any time there years ago.
Many of the long time posters here go back to the beginning of elf and the chdf before that and also know each other offline. For many, the common thread is Cornell hockey. In 2002, I went from dag14's class on the ag quad to Columbus to watch the season opener (with turkeybone and Josh 99). On the drive I passed Jim Hyla. Scersk97 was at the game. I remember jtw at placid in 2002 working out the pairwise in the days we'll before smart phones. I met ugarte at a lax playoff game with richh. Dbilmes is a fixture at games in CT. I watched plenty of games with ER when we were in school at the same time. The list goes on.
Everyone here loves Cornell and Cornell hockey. Everyone here understands the pain of being teased into believing and then getting punched in the gut. Nobody is looking for the tone of a typical sports message board. Nobody is looking for innuendo or suggestions about all the low hanging fruit one perceives being missed. Or constant needling and ad hominem assault. I don't care if people are positive or negative. Talk about the games. Be critical of decisions on the ice. Lament ivy rules and covid changes. But check the needless combativeness and childish name calling at the door. And remember that we're talking about students playing a game.
For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us. If I want to be surrounded by gratuitous combativeness, I've got plenty of options.
Quote from: Chris '03For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us. If I want to be surrounded by gratuitous combativeness, I've got plenty of options.
We said. We must all hang together or we shall surely hang separately.
+1 -- agree totally and I did not attend Cornell.
But eLynah has been a great part of the fan hockey experience for me.
Hearing a few tidbits out of Toledo....5 guys sick with the flu right now. Makes me admire the group even more. I few of our studs were less factors than I though would be the case, maybe they were ill.
Also, the guys were taking midterms on Friday!! Do you think the BU players were cranking out Macro Econ midterms or Business Law? Doubtful.
Love this group and am saddened the season over. Playing with house money is fun. I watched the YouTube highlights again, same result, but the NCAA version really shows how amazing Shane was! For being so pedistrian all season, he really got it going over the last month, totally flipped the script. IT would have been a 6-5 game with so many chances both ways. 1st minute of OT coulda/shoulda been our moment. One bounce.
On to Lax now! #LGR
Quote from: profudge+1 -- agree totally and I did not attend Cornell.
But eLynah has been a great part of the fan hockey experience for me.
We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we
all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Quote from: BlueSkyDo you think the BU players were cranking out Macro Econ midterms or Business Law? Doubtful.
Hey! They're busy (https://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-university-ice-hockey-teams-sexual-entitlement-culture/story?id=17171271) too!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: profudge+1 -- agree totally and I did not attend Cornell.
But eLynah has been a great part of the fan hockey experience for me.
We have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
i loved hockey-l as a lifeline in the 1990s as the internet was growing up. i enjoyed the chdf. but what i really loved was being a big ol' asshole on the CGKRT, the clearest inspiration for putting together CHDF and then Age replacing it with eLF.
Anyway just to come on and say: everyone KNOWS the pain you suffer, BearLover. everyone shares it! what we don't do is repeatedly dwell on it. not because we're pie-eyed optimists or dead-enders, but because it's tedious shit to repeat constantly!
i know you think you're providing some kind of counterbalance or something but you don't get to define how you're perceived. after an incredible opening tournament win your immediate PUBLIC reaction was basically "cool but lucky and we're dead now but you sheep won't acknowledge it!" a striking parallel to how you responded to winning the ECAC!
i don't care if you danced around your room,* i didn't get to share that. what you shared instead was an immediate shift, both times, to how depressing it is that we're probably going to lose the next game and there's no light at the end of the tunnel next year or after because the NCAA dynamited the way out.
i was one of your *defenders* regarding the potential coaching failures that led to the frustrating / depressing regular season and your hostility to Jones as a solution (because it's an interesting conversation to start) but goddamn, dude!
*i care a little. it would be nice to know!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Chris '03For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us. If I want to be surrounded by gratuitous combativeness, I've got plenty of options.
We said. We must all hang together or we shall surely hang separately.
+1 to both of you.
Also, this.
Quote from: Chris '03This isn't a sports forum in the sense of a bunch of anonymous semi-literate know it alls yelling at each other online to feel better about themselves. There are plenty of places online for that. I stopped spending any time there years ago.
I have no real comments here, other than to nod my head in approval of the poignancy of your post, Chris. It's a family here. Not 4Chan.
Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born.
I came in on the very end of hockey-l, and boy was it glorious. Because it was full of posters who were knowledgeable, passionate, and, generally, cordial. And it was national in scope.
I hesitate a bit to say this, but I feel like the collegehockey subReddit is
not bad. SubReddits
can go bad, of course, but the majority of the posters there right now seem cordial. Ridiculous ad hominem attacks get downvoted, or they are encouraged for humorous purposes. Everything is pretty good-natured. Anyone who knows me can figure out who I am there in time.
I'd like this forum to get back there, because I like having multiple layers of college hockey fandom engagement. As a product of upstate New York, I believe in having many, many sometimes seemingly duplicative layers of civic society in order that we might all be able to coexist despite our wild individuality.
I'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't hurt me because I'm already dead.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
.
Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn't been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?
Also, why do you even care what I think? I'm just expressing my own opinion, I'm not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.
After watching CU hockey for 62 years I have my own perspective.
And this is not brutal. Getting real close and not winning is sports. Yes doing it year after year is tough, but not brutal to me. I drove 7 hours to Toledo and then 7 hours back right after the game. Fortunately Marty was with me. If he hadn't texted me, I doubt I would have made the drive.
But you know what, I was happy that I did it. I was happy that I had the opportunity to do it.
You see for me winning is great, but you know what's better?
HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN! You don't get the opportunity to win a game like this unless you have already been winning.
Unfortunately for too many of those 62 years I never had this opportunity to watch a regional final. You see, there were many, too many years when that chance never existed. We were never there. And let me tell you after 2 National Championships and 4 ECAC Championships in a row, those years were bad.
For me winning is great, but you know what's better than winning, being with people that really care like you do. People that say thank you every time that I give them a newspaper, or people that proudly show me the newspaper that they brought with them. Turn around and look at the group of Cornell fans that are with you. They cheer on their own, cheer with the band, stand whenever they hear "Townies Up." That's what makes this not brutal.
I drove home happy about being there, not happy that they lost. Give me a break! No I was happy that I was able to be there with everyone else. I was happy that Marty texted me and that we drove 14 hours in one day to be able to be part of it.
Those types of memories will stay with me. I'll always be unhappy that we lost, but I'll be happier that they gave me the chance to be there and hope they could win.
If you want to understand this further, go watch or read what Coach said about Cornell in his post game, it's opportunity for him and it's students, the administration that gave him this chance, the band, the fans, but most of all the players that he's had a chance to coach, the true student athletes that he's been proud to associate with. And why when you put all this into perspective, why he's happy where his life's taken him, even though he's pissed about losing.
I'm sure he must have had chances to go to bigger programs, but he stayed at Cornell, because as he implied, there was something special that he felt.
Losing or not, he goes out a winner and I feel privileged to have been able to see some small part of that with him.
This wasn't brutal, this was a privilege that other schools haven't had.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
.
Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn't been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?
Also, why do you even care what I think? I'm just expressing my own opinion, I'm not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.
After watching CU hockey for 62 years I have my own perspective.
And this is not brutal. Getting real close and not winning is sports. Yes doing it year after year is tough, but not brutal to me. I drove 7 hours to Toledo and then 7 hours back right after the game. Fortunately Marty was with me. If he hadn't texted me, I doubt I would have made the drive.
But you know what, I was happy that I did it. I was happy that I had the opportunity to do it.
You see for me winning is great, but you know what's better? HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN! You don't get the opportunity to win a game like this unless you have already been winning.
Unfortunately for too many of those 62 years I never had this opportunity to watch a regional final. You see, there were many, too many years when that chance never existed. We were never there. And let me tell you after 2 National Championships and 4 ECAC Championships in a row, those years were bad.
For me winning is great, but you know what's better than winning, being with people that really care like you do. People that say thank you every time that I give them a newspaper, or people that proudly show me the newspaper that they brought with them. Turn around and look at the group of Cornell fans that are with you. They cheer on their own, cheer with the band, stand whenever they hear "Townies Up." That's what makes this not brutal.
I drove home happy about being there, not happy that they lost. Give me a break! No I was happy that I was able to be there with everyone else. I was happy that Marty texted me and that we drove 14 hours in one day to be able to be part of it.
Those types of memories will stay with me. I'll always be unhappy that we lost, but I'll be happier that they gave me the chance to be there and hope they could win.
If you want to understand this further, go watch or read what Coach said about Cornell in his post game, it's opportunity for him and it's students, the administration that gave him this chance, the band, the fans, but most of all the players that he's had a chance to coach, the true student athletes that he's been proud to associate with. And why when you put all this into perspective, why he's happy where his life's taken him, even though he's pissed about losing.
I'm sure he must have had chances to go to bigger programs, but he stayed at Cornell, because as he implied, there was something special that he felt.
Losing or not, he goes out a winner and I feel privileged to have been able to see some small part of that with him.
This wasn't brutal, this was a privilege that other schools haven't had.
Amen
And thank you Jim for the papers, your loyalty, and being part of what makes Cornell hockey so great!
Quote from: DafatoneI'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't hurt me because I'm already dead.
God I hate the Mets. Every time Trotsky brings them up it hurts me.
(Lifelong Mets fan here, in case it's not obvious, and just a little too young to remember '86. Maybe we should start a support group over in JSID.)
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: DafatoneI'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't hurt me because I'm already dead.
God I hate the Mets. Every time Trotsky brings them up it hurts me.
(Lifelong Mets fan here, in case it's not obvious, and just a little too young to remember '86. Maybe we should start a support group over in JSID.)
I'm the same age, roughly. I get it.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
.
Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn't been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?
Also, why do you even care what I think? I'm just expressing my own opinion, I'm not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.
After watching CU hockey for 62 years I have my own perspective.
And this is not brutal. Getting real close and not winning is sports. Yes doing it year after year is tough, but not brutal to me. I drove 7 hours to Toledo and then 7 hours back right after the game. Fortunately Marty was with me. If he hadn't texted me, I doubt I would have made the drive.
But you know what, I was happy that I did it. I was happy that I had the opportunity to do it.
You see for me winning is great, but you know what's better? HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN! You don't get the opportunity to win a game like this unless you have already been winning.
Unfortunately for too many of those 62 years I never had this opportunity to watch a regional final. You see, there were many, too many years when that chance never existed. We were never there. And let me tell you after 2 National Championships and 4 ECAC Championships in a row, those years were bad.
For me winning is great, but you know what's better than winning, being with people that really care like you do. People that say thank you every time that I give them a newspaper, or people that proudly show me the newspaper that they brought with them. Turn around and look at the group of Cornell fans that are with you. They cheer on their own, cheer with the band, stand whenever they hear "Townies Up." That's what makes this not brutal.
I drove home happy about being there, not happy that they lost. Give me a break! No I was happy that I was able to be there with everyone else. I was happy that Marty texted me and that we drove 14 hours in one day to be able to be part of it.
Those types of memories will stay with me. I'll always be unhappy that we lost, but I'll be happier that they gave me the chance to be there and hope they could win.
If you want to understand this further, go watch or read what Coach said about Cornell in his post game, it's opportunity for him and it's students, the administration that gave him this chance, the band, the fans, but most of all the players that he's had a chance to coach, the true student athletes that he's been proud to associate with. And why when you put all this into perspective, why he's happy where his life's taken him, even though he's pissed about losing.
I'm sure he must have had chances to go to bigger programs, but he stayed at Cornell, because as he implied, there was something special that he felt.
Losing or not, he goes out a winner and I feel privileged to have been able to see some small part of that with him.
This wasn't brutal, this was a privilege that other schools haven't had.
Well said, Dr. H. Well said.
Quote from: Chris '03I remember jtw at placid in 2002 working out the pairwise in the days we'll before smart phones.
Good thing we do, since I don't think I could get my laptop into the rink in the era of the clear bag policy. ;-)
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Chris '03I remember jtw at placid in 2002 working out the pairwise in the days we'll before smart phones.
Good thing we do, since I don't think I could get my laptop into the rink in the era of the clear bag policy. ;-)
Fwiw, I have gotten my laptop into Lynah with its clear bag policy. Even though I don't think they're that strict about the bags...
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born.
I came in on the very end of hockey-l, and boy was it glorious. Because it was full of posters who were knowledgeable, passionate, and, generally, cordial. And it was national in scope.
Hockey-L does actually still exist, but there's very little traffic (although Bill Fenwick is still doing his pick the tourneys contest). They've also got a Facebook group (because that's how old we are) nominally to coordinate the meetup at the Frozen Four.
Quote from: BearLoverthis was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.
This may explain some of the difference in perspective. If you've "only" been doing this for 17 years, you didn't experience the OT losses in 2005 and 2006 in real time.
Quote from: Chris '03I've mostly stayed out of this never-ending nonsense but I'm tired of it.
This isn't a sports forum in the sense of a bunch of anonymous semi-literate know it alls yelling at each other online to feel better about themselves. There are plenty of places online for that. I stopped spending any time there years ago.
Many of the long time posters here go back to the beginning of elf and the chdf before that and also know each other offline. For many, the common thread is Cornell hockey. In 2002, I went from dag14's class on the ag quad to Columbus to watch the season opener (with turkeybone and Josh 99). On the drive I passed Jim Hyla. Scersk97 was at the game. I remember jtw at placid in 2002 working out the pairwise in the days we'll before smart phones. I met ugarte at a lax playoff game with richh. Dbilmes is a fixture at games in CT. I watched plenty of games with ER when we were in school at the same time. The list goes on.
Everyone here loves Cornell and Cornell hockey. Everyone here understands the pain of being teased into believing and then getting punched in the gut. Nobody is looking for the tone of a typical sports message board. Nobody is looking for innuendo or suggestions about all the low hanging fruit one perceives being missed. Or constant needling and ad hominem assault. I don't care if people are positive or negative. Talk about the games. Be critical of decisions on the ice. Lament ivy rules and covid changes. But check the needless combativeness and childish name calling at the door. And remember that we're talking about students playing a game.
For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us. If I want to be surrounded by gratuitous combativeness, I've got plenty of options.
Thank you for this, I've been feeling exactly the same way but couldn't articulate it. I thought about abandoning my readership here because of the escalating negative tone this season, but for reasons I won't get into decided to get back to posting instead.
Whether or not I disengage and go back to mainly lurking again next season, I hope eLF will be back to the substitute for getting a beverage after the game, enjoying each other's company, and, yes, bickering good-naturedly on occasion. I always felt that was the main vibe of this forum, even in the down years (which were never long-lived under Schafer - his worst run was 4 mediocre seasons in a row!).
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
.
Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn't been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?
Also, why do you even care what I think? I'm just expressing my own opinion, I'm not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.
After watching CU hockey for 62 years I have my own perspective.
And this is not brutal. Getting real close and not winning is sports. Yes doing it year after year is tough, but not brutal to me. I drove 7 hours to Toledo and then 7 hours back right after the game. Fortunately Marty was with me. If he hadn't texted me, I doubt I would have made the drive.
But you know what, I was happy that I did it. I was happy that I had the opportunity to do it.
You see for me winning is great, but you know what's better? HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN! You don't get the opportunity to win a game like this unless you have already been winning.
Unfortunately for too many of those 62 years I never had this opportunity to watch a regional final. You see, there were many, too many years when that chance never existed. We were never there. And let me tell you after 2 National Championships and 4 ECAC Championships in a row, those years were bad.
For me winning is great, but you know what's better than winning, being with people that really care like you do. People that say thank you every time that I give them a newspaper, or people that proudly show me the newspaper that they brought with them. Turn around and look at the group of Cornell fans that are with you. They cheer on their own, cheer with the band, stand whenever they hear "Townies Up." That's what makes this not brutal.
I drove home happy about being there, not happy that they lost. Give me a break! No I was happy that I was able to be there with everyone else. I was happy that Marty texted me and that we drove 14 hours in one day to be able to be part of it.
Those types of memories will stay with me. I'll always be unhappy that we lost, but I'll be happier that they gave me the chance to be there and hope they could win.
If you want to understand this further, go watch or read what Coach said about Cornell in his post game, it's opportunity for him and it's students, the administration that gave him this chance, the band, the fans, but most of all the players that he's had a chance to coach, the true student athletes that he's been proud to associate with. And why when you put all this into perspective, why he's happy where his life's taken him, even though he's pissed about losing.
I'm sure he must have had chances to go to bigger programs, but he stayed at Cornell, because as he implied, there was something special that he felt.
Losing or not, he goes out a winner and I feel privileged to have been able to see some small part of that with him.
This wasn't brutal, this was a privilege that other schools haven't had.
Thank you for this!
Perhaps my prior articulation didn't get my point across, but this is exactly how I feel.
I feel honored to be a fan and ticket holder!
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverthis was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.
This may explain some of the difference in perspective. If you've "only" been doing this for 17 years, you didn't experience the OT losses in 2005 and 2006 in real time.
That's right yeah. But I still got to see a lot of depressingly close calls. I matriculated in the fall of 2008 and when I got to Cornell the team was very good. In my four years as a student we made the NCAAs three times and the regional final twice. That means I was there for Bemidji, as well as for Ferris State. The one thing that truly tormented me as a student was watching us getting blown out by Yale over and over, and in fact many ELF posters' distaste for me stems from this original point of disagreement back in 2013. I was exhausted seeing us always lose to Yale and argued loudly that we should not be cheering for them to win the national title. That led to all the bickering over whether a stronger or weaker ECAC benefits Cornell. From that point forward few here have liked me and most have taken a very combative tone towards me. Which is fine, I have fun arguing over the internet. But that's kind of the Everybody Hates BearLover origin story.
BTW, in the past decade I think my stance on weak vs. strong ECAC has held up very well, though people still resent me for my stance. At the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one. But that's kind of it the gist, it seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.
This:
Quote from: Chris '03Everyone here loves Cornell and Cornell hockey. Everyone here understands the pain of being teased into believing and then getting punched in the gut. Nobody is looking for the tone of a typical sports message board. Nobody is looking for innuendo or suggestions about all the low hanging fruit one perceives being missed. Or constant needling and ad hominem assault. I don't care if people are positive or negative. Talk about the games. Be critical of decisions on the ice. Lament ivy rules and covid changes. But check the needless combativeness and childish name calling at the door. And remember that we're talking about students playing a game.
For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us.
I've never attended a Cornell hockey game as "a fan" per se -- however, it should be painfully obvious that I care for the program, and want it to win, as much as anyone, despite graduating from the ghetto school on the other hill. One of the reasons I came to embrace Cornell hockey so deeply is all of the people I met and became friends with along the way. Probably at least 50% of the regular posters here over the years I've met and conversed with, and/or had a beer or two with, personally. And then some, in many cases.
Probably the biggest reason I feel bad today is not for my self-interest - but because I was looking forward to seeing many people again in St. Louis that I hadn't seen for a while. That includes coaches, administrators, all of the people who frequent here, or used to, etc... You know who you are. My time at Lynah or MSG or Lake Placid has become non-existent since moving to Denver in 2021, and making Regionals has always been difficult.
Through my work, I'm pretty close with many coaches and ADs throughout the country, all the teams. But this is the only forum I ever comment on. Otherwise, I just write articles that get me trashed by every fan base in the country at some point or another. BearLover, you've got nothing on those people, I promise :)
Point is - keep this place great. It's the only place I "see" any of you anymore. Cheers.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverthis was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.
This may explain some of the difference in perspective. If you've "only" been doing this for 17 years, you didn't experience the OT losses in 2005 and 2006 in real time.
with better teams. The 2005 team was on like an 18-game unbeaten streak going into the game - and had to play it on the road, on a large ice sheet, and still lost just 2-1 in OT. The next year, also hostile crowd, losing 1-0. In fact, I believe JTW that you were the one who informed me of the loss -- I was on the phone with you while driving back from the Regional in Albany, hoping for good news. There was no other way to know then - so you were watching on TV and giving me play-by-play while I drove home. Bah.
Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Wrong!.
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Wrong!
.
Very.
Quote from: BearLoverit seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.
Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.
Quote from: cu155Quote from: BearLoverit seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.
Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.
Thank you my friend. I would say the exact same thing about your post and the 200 other posts that expressed the exact same thought within the past 24 hours.
Quote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: cu155Quote from: BearLoverit seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.
Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.
Thank you my friend. I would say the exact same thing about your post and the 200 other posts that expressed the exact same thought within the past 24 hours.
I hope you find peace.
Quote from: cu155Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: cu155Quote from: BearLoverit seems like most on here are way more okay with losing and other schools surpassing Cornell than I am.
Your constant negativity whether directly stated or implied is beyond tedious. Others here choosing to reflect on the good rather than constantly harping on real or perceived problems does not mean that we are some how more ok with losing than you are. Get over yourself. Your schtick incredibly stale, lacks nuance, and lacks any kind of emotional maturity.
Thank you my friend. I would say the exact same thing about your post and the 200 other posts that expressed the exact same thought within the past 24 hours.
I hope you find peace.
Thank you! Same to you my friend.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.
Thought the exact same thing. But then again I'm sure MSU was eyeing up BU when field was announced.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: Chris '03I've mostly stayed out of this never-ending nonsense but I'm tired of it.
This isn't a sports forum in the sense of a bunch of anonymous semi-literate know it alls yelling at each other online to feel better about themselves. There are plenty of places online for that. I stopped spending any time there years ago.
Many of the long time posters here go back to the beginning of elf and the chdf before that and also know each other offline. For many, the common thread is Cornell hockey. In 2002, I went from dag14's class on the ag quad to Columbus to watch the season opener (with turkeybone and Josh 99). On the drive I passed Jim Hyla. Scersk97 was at the game. I remember jtw at placid in 2002 working out the pairwise in the days we'll before smart phones. I met ugarte at a lax playoff game with richh. Dbilmes is a fixture at games in CT. I watched plenty of games with ER when we were in school at the same time. The list goes on.
Everyone here loves Cornell and Cornell hockey. Everyone here understands the pain of being teased into believing and then getting punched in the gut. Nobody is looking for the tone of a typical sports message board. Nobody is looking for innuendo or suggestions about all the low hanging fruit one perceives being missed. Or constant needling and ad hominem assault. I don't care if people are positive or negative. Talk about the games. Be critical of decisions on the ice. Lament ivy rules and covid changes. But check the needless combativeness and childish name calling at the door. And remember that we're talking about students playing a game.
For me at least, Cornell hockey is a refuge from the world burning all around us. If I want to be surrounded by gratuitous combativeness, I've got plenty of options.
Thank you for this, I've been feeling exactly the same way but couldn't articulate it. I thought about abandoning my readership here because of the escalating negative tone this season, but for reasons I won't get into decided to get back to posting instead.
Whether or not I disengage and go back to mainly lurking again next season, I hope eLF will be back to the substitute for getting a beverage after the game, enjoying each other's company, and, yes, bickering good-naturedly on occasion. I always felt that was the main vibe of this forum, even in the down years (which were never long-lived under Schafer - his worst run was 4 mediocre seasons in a row!).
Those must have been the exact four years I was in school. They weren't great. I certainly don't remember any ecac titles.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Wrong!
.
Very.
Trotsky gets it very, unexplainably wrong. How in the world could we have seen 1970, say nothing of 67 if we were born after 56.
I know we oldies were awfully smart, but Cornell didn't take us when we were 10.
And Don Birkmayer's mimeographed (You youngsters go look that one up) report was called "The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter."
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
I can finally say go bu.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
I can finally say go bu.
I am rooting for Penn state. I'm not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike's career
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: toddloseQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
I can finally say go bu.
I am rooting for Penn state. I'm not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike's career
Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverAnd so I don't really care to celebrate our run and Schafer's career immediately following one of the most brutal losses I have ever seen.
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Dude, are you nuts??
BU killed Ohio State 8-3
We lost in OT
Brutal loss?
No way was this a brutal loss
I think you should get a hobby - knitting or crochet might be good therapy
Wow, some of this stuff on this forum seriously reads like it came from people who have never watched sports before. Yes, losing in the regional final in OT when your team hasn't been to the frozen four since 2003 is 1000x more brutal than losing 8-3 in the opening round. Are you nuts?
Also, why do you even care what I think? I'm just expressing my own opinion, I'm not attacking anybody. Get a grip, dude, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky optimist who smiles serenely after Cornell loses in OT in the regional final to its arch rival to end the career of its coach. I post the most benign shit ever and without fail it triggers a massive freakout. This is the softest and most cringe sports forum in the history of the internet, you all need to grow up.
After watching CU hockey for 62 years I have my own perspective.
And this is not brutal. Getting real close and not winning is sports. Yes doing it year after year is tough, but not brutal to me. I drove 7 hours to Toledo and then 7 hours back right after the game. Fortunately Marty was with me. If he hadn't texted me, I doubt I would have made the drive.
But you know what, I was happy that I did it. I was happy that I had the opportunity to do it.
You see for me winning is great, but you know what's better? HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN! You don't get the opportunity to win a game like this unless you have already been winning.
Unfortunately for too many of those 62 years I never had this opportunity to watch a regional final. You see, there were many, too many years when that chance never existed. We were never there. And let me tell you after 2 National Championships and 4 ECAC Championships in a row, those years were bad.
For me winning is great, but you know what's better than winning, being with people that really care like you do. People that say thank you every time that I give them a newspaper, or people that proudly show me the newspaper that they brought with them. Turn around and look at the group of Cornell fans that are with you. They cheer on their own, cheer with the band, stand whenever they hear "Townies Up." That's what makes this not brutal.
I drove home happy about being there, not happy that they lost. Give me a break! No I was happy that I was able to be there with everyone else. I was happy that Marty texted me and that we drove 14 hours in one day to be able to be part of it.
Those types of memories will stay with me. I'll always be unhappy that we lost, but I'll be happier that they gave me the chance to be there and hope they could win.
If you want to understand this further, go watch or read what Coach said about Cornell in his post game, it's opportunity for him and it's students, the administration that gave him this chance, the band, the fans, but most of all the players that he's had a chance to coach, the true student athletes that he's been proud to associate with. And why when you put all this into perspective, why he's happy where his life's taken him, even though he's pissed about losing.
I'm sure he must have had chances to go to bigger programs, but he stayed at Cornell, because as he implied, there was something special that he felt.
Losing or not, he goes out a winner and I feel privileged to have been able to see some small part of that with him.
This wasn't brutal, this was a privilege that other schools haven't had.
+ 2.5 (hours) ;-)
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: toddloseQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
I can finally say go bu.
I am rooting for Penn state. I'm not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike's career
Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.
Ps-I've been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.
I'm assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: toddloseQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: toddloseQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
I can finally say go bu.
I am rooting for Penn state. I'm not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike's career
Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.
Ps-I've been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.
I'm assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.
I'll be all in on WMU. They'll be the only remaining team that I could stomach winning it.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: toddloseQuote from: toddloseQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: toddloseQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
I can finally say go bu.
I am rooting for Penn state. I'm not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike's career
Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.
Ps-I've been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.
I'm assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.
I'll be all in on WMU. They'll be the only remaining team that I could stomach winning it.
Personally, I mostly just don't want to root for our rivals or the team that knocked us out. Not really a fan of Denver but they've won enough lately that they probably wouldn't even care too much if they won another one. I'd rank the remaining teams WMU, Denver, Penn State, BU, but most of all I really don't want BU to win it.
Quote from: DafatoneI'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't hurt me because I'm already dead.
Well, at least (I hope for your sake) you're not also a Jets fan! ::banana::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: DafatoneI'm a Mets fan. Cornell hockey can't hurt me because I'm already dead.
Well, at least (I hope for your sake) you're not also a Jets fan! ::banana::
I actually picked the rest of my teams based on who was good when I was 5, so I'm an insufferable Niners Bulls Pens fan on those fronts.
Mets make up for it, though.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.
memories of being relieved that we got bemidji. one of the few second round games where iirc we got dogwalked.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
We would have had a very winnable game in the frozen four had we advanced.
memories of being relieved that we got bemidji. one of the few second round games where iirc we got dogwalked.
That was the first thing I thought of, too.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Wrong!
.
Very.
Yeah, just the opposite.
And from our perspective, we won't return to our former glory until and unless: (a) Casey coaches both men's lacrosse and men's ice hockey to undefeated seasons and therefore NC's, or (b) Connor Buczek coaches both men's hockey and men's lacrosse to NC's. (Back in the day, you couldn't win an NC in lacrosse even if you went undefeated, unless your school was in greater Baltimore (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60453076-we-showed-baltimore). But back then, coaches were real men who could go undefeated in both sports.) In the meantime, those of us who remember the good old days, and expect no less now, will have to feel the repeated utter pain of losing at least one game
every year in one of these two signature sports.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Wrong!
.
Very.
Trotsky gets it very, unexplainably wrong. How in the world could we have seen 1970, say nothing of 67 if we were born after 56.
I know we oldies were awfully smart, but Cornell didn't take us when we were 10.
And Don Birkmayer's mimeographed (You youngsters go look that one up) report was called "The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter."
Well... I enrolled in Cornell nursery school in Martha Van Rensselaer in 1953 and I was playing Pee Wee Hockey at Lynah before I was 10. There are several of us here who remember the Paul Patten era and savor every win.
Quote from: BearLover... this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.
BearLover, your aspirations and expectations are not realistic. Consider this.
Richie Moran coached Cornell lacrosse for 29 seasons, during which he won NC's in 1971, 1976, and 1977; lost title games in 1978, 1987, and 1988; and won 15 Ivy championships, including 10 straight from 1974 to 1983. Yet notice that after winning an NC in 1977, he never again won an NC during the ensuing 20 years. He was a great coach with great teams, yet he repeatedly experienced "devastating" losses. And even then, when he won NC's, it was really
hard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIZaWDV1H3g) and
unusual.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Wrong!
.
Very.
Ditto
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLover... this was the single biggest opportunity, and single most devastating loss, in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan.
BearLover, your aspirations and expectations are not realistic. Consider this.
Richie Moran coached Cornell lacrosse for 29 seasons, during which he won NC's in 1971, 1976, and 1977; lost title games in 1978, 1987, and 1988; and won 15 Ivy championships, including 10 straight from 1974 to 1983. Yet notice that after winning an NC in 1977, he never again won an NC during the ensuing 20 years. He was a great coach with great teams, yet he repeatedly experienced "devastating" losses. And even then, when he won NC's, it was really hard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIZaWDV1H3g) and unusual.
Winning a national title is my aspiration, not my expectation. I get how hard it is. This program has overachieved under Schafer. That doesn't make it any less brutal how we keep losing in the regional final. We were so close yesterday, the closest we've been since I became a fan. The last day has been the most painful in my 17 years as a die-hard Cornell hockey fan, aside from the 2020 playoffs getting canceled.
Quote from: dag14Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe have been fortunate to have eLynah, and USCHO, and before them all Wayne Smith and Mike Machnik's hockey-l all the way back in the early 90s before some of you were born. ::cheer:: Before that was Don Birkmayer's "The Hockey News," begun in 1954, before we all (I think?) were born.
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Wrong!
.
Very.
Ditto
Add one more, assuming non-Cornell alums count.
BTW, Birkmayer, had nothing to do with "The Hockey News" which still exists but now is a magazine. His publication was "The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter". I still have all of them since I think 1966, but it probably injure myself again climbing to look. Birkmayer moved to Ithaca from Troy when he retired.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: toddloseQuote from: toddloseQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: toddloseQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverAt the end of the day though, my argument was more an emotional one (not wanting to see the team that thumped us ten times in a row, with me watching in person, win a national title before we did) rather than a logical one.
*whispers* Penn State playing Connecticut for a spot in the Frozen Four stings
What a tough game for me to have a rooting interest.
They loved it on E$PN, though.
I can finally say go bu.
I am rooting for Penn state. I'm not rooting for the team with the mercenary goalie who ended Mike's career
Unlike what seems like a majority here, I like your posts. But we will disagree on this particular game on rooting interest.
Ps-I've been called an asshole as well by a current Elynah member. Badge of honor I guess.
I'm assuming the ultimate dagger would be WMU winning the whole thing.
I'll be all in on WMU. They'll be the only remaining team that I could stomach winning it.
I was surprised to learn they'd never made the Frozen Four.
So the thing about losing in the quarterfinals is that this performance--going on a run in the playoffs, pulling off two third-period upset comebacks to stay alive, and falling tantalizingly short in the regional final--would be satisfying in isolation, but it's frustrating as part of the larger picture: we could have easily won a number of those quarterfinal games, but we didn't (except when we were one of the top two teams in the country). The thing that makes it particularly sad, though, is that since it's Schafer's last season, he won't have another chance to have the outcome turn out the other way.
The rest of us will, though, so it remains a great time to be a Cornell Hockey fan.
Sad ending for Cornell in OT. We made it through the previous seven games with skill unseen at midyear, and a bit of luck.
Interesting that the final four D1 basketball teams are all 1-seeds. For hockey, the final four were seeded at:
1. Western Michigan
2. BU
3. Denver
4. Penn state
... four of the weekend's six games went to OT.
Quote from: David HardingWell... I enrolled in Cornell nursery school in Martha Van Rensselaer in 1953 and I was playing Pee Wee Hockey at Lynah before I was 10. There are several of us here who remember the Paul Patten era and savor every win.
I remember Laing Kennedy, Steve Kijanka, Rudy Mateka, George Walker (at 6'2" big for his time). I went back and looked at the roster — how did we do it with one coach and dressing only 20 players?
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Quote from: George64Quote from: David HardingWell... I enrolled in Cornell nursery school in Martha Van Rensselaer in 1953 and I was playing Pee Wee Hockey at Lynah before I was 10. There are several of us here who remember the Paul Patten era and savor every win.
I remember Laing Kennedy, Steve Kijanka, Rudy Mateka, George Walker (at 6'2" big for his time). I went back and looked at the roster — how did we do it with one coach and dressing only 20 players?
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We did it like that because many schools did that. Especially in the 50s, that's how Harkness got his Championship at RPI in 1954. He had around 15 or 16 skaters plus goalies.
Some of you RPI guys can help me out here.
Frozen Four bound: Four takeaways from a wild NCAA hockey weekend
From Fansided: The stories are endless from the start of the 2025 NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey championship. Retirements, NHL, and multiple championships, oh my!
https://apple.news/A5veGVP4hRpW3-Na6--vlwA
1. Cornell University is really good at hockey despite falling short
College hockey fans know that Cornell is a good program; the Big Red representation in the NCAA tournament is not new. Clinching a berth this year for their 27th appearance in college hockey's post-season by winning the ECAC championship, Cornell has made the Frozen Four eight times. They've won the national title twice, the most recent being 55 years ago in 1970.
They didn't make it past the Toledo regional final this year, but they stirred the pot on their way out.
Cornell upset the number one seed in their region in Michigan State in the final seconds of regulation. They then took on Boston University in the regional final, tying up the game with about five minutes remaining. The battle in overtime was won by BU's Quinn Hutson, sending the Terriers to their 25th Frozen Four appearance. It was not an easy road through the Big Red, though.
Despite ranking 17th on PairWise, Cornell was in it until the very end of each game they played in this tournament. They have playmakers on offense, big boy senior defender Hank Kempf (New York Rangers drafted, Colorado Avalanche with NHL rights) and a brick wall in net in senior Ian Shane (who had 40 saves vs. BU). They'e physical and have a forecheck that had me on the edge of my seat every time they were down in the offensive zone.
What's bittersweet here is that Cornell head coach Mike Schafer, who's been at the helm for 30 years (561-300-117 record), is hanging up the skates. He led his team to 15 NCAA tournament appearances, earning one trip to the Frozen Four in 2003. This isn't the way he likely wanted to step away, but as someone who watches a lot of hockey, I will shout from the rooftops that he should be incredibly proud of his team.
Happy trails, Schafer. You created an incredible program.
This. As a longtime fan ('90) and a proud father of a soon to be '25 who covers the team (you figure it out), .... Nailed it.
Ahh, back to crying again after that article. Man. What a team.
Here's Schafer's Letter for any of you who don't receive it:
CORNELL 4, Michigan State 3
Boston U 3, CORNELL 2 OT
It had to happen eventually, but it would have been great to finish up one's career in the Frozen Four finals. Coming off the ECAC championship, I couldn't have been happier with how hard our guys played.
The win over Michigan State was one for the books. To keep coming back against the top ranked team in the country in the rink where it was like a home game for them was classic Cornell hockey.
Michigan State opened the scoring at 7:20 into the game. All season long, the Spartans put a lot of shots on goal from everywhere, and their first period goal snapped our six-game streak of scoring first. For the game, they outshot us, 37-21.
At 15:02, sophomore forward Ryan Walsh picked the pocket of s Michigan State player, and quickly beat the Spartan goaltender to make it 1-1. With 49 seconds remaining, we were assessed a penalty, and it took the Spartans just 20 seconds to regain the lead at 2-1.
We had a tough second period, and didn't have a shot on goal until halftime through the period, and finished with just four shots total for the middle stanza. But all was not lost. At 16:30, sophomore forward Charlie Major showed his marksmanship with a one-timer that dented the back of the net. Seventeen seconds later, senior goaltender Ian Shane turned the puck over, and Michigan State led, 3-2. For the season, the Spartans were 18-0-2 when leading after two periods of play.
In the third period, we were just a team that would not be denied. At 12:38, sophomore defenseman Ben Robertson sent a shot on goal that resulted in a rebound. Walsh, standing on the doorstep, tied the game for the third time with his conversion tally. Ryan has been a tremendous player for us all season long. He's also tremendous on faceoffs against the best in the country. I think we gave the boys a wakeup call going into that third period, as we outshot Michigan State, 12-7.
With 1:39 remaining, we were awarded our only power-play opportunity on the night, as speedy senior forward Jack O'Leary was pulled down from behind on his way to the net. We really put the pressure on, and with 20 seconds left, Major and senior forward Sullivan Mack exchanged passes about eight feet in front of the net. On the last exchange, Mack fired the puck into the net for the 4-3 win with 10 seconds remaining.
Shane played well in goal with 34 saves, and the Spartan's netminder stopped 17 shots. Both teams were 1-for-1 on the power play.
The next day was a day off before we were to faceoff against Boston University. Thank goodness we didn't have to play as the flu bug ran through our team. If we had to play, we would have been missing five players. I just can't believe how well this team has played, coming off so many injuries and sickness.
On to the BU game. We took a 1-0 lead at 7:35 into the game, with Walsh doing the honors once again. Junior forward Dalton Bancroft's initial shot was blocked, but the rebound hit Walsh and bounced back into the net. It was originally called a no-goal, citing a hand pass, but we challenged the call and were successful. It only took 1:12 after our goal for BU to tie the score on a shot that clanked off a Cornell skater into the net.
With two minutes remaining in the first period, a lengthy review of a after the whistle battle, we were assessed a five-minute major penalty for grabbing the face mask. This gave us the challenge of defending the fourth-best power play in the collegiate ranks for five minutes, and the boys were up to the challenge. The game, up to this point, had been a real stalemate. After 40 minutes, both teams had 23 shots on goal, while we had an edge in faceoffs won, 16-15.
BU took advantage of its power play, and scored 34 seconds into the third period to take a 2-1 lead. But O'Leary completed a great pass from senior defenseman Tim Rego to tie the game at 2-2 with 5:30 remaining. There were a few more offensive thrusts by both teams, but the game was destined to go into overtime.
Overtime began with us having a couple of quality scoring opportunities. At 6:25 of the extra session, BU scored the winning goal on a shot from the right point that made it through traffic and into the left corner of the goal.
Shane made 40 saves (the second time of his career), and the BU goaltender stopped 37 shots. We were 0-for-3 on the power play, and they were 1-for-4.
I am so proud of this team's grittiness and determination. To tie the game up showed their perseverance again . We had a couple great chances in overtime in the first few minutes. When the goal went in my heart sunk. To see this happen to our seniors three years in a row was difficult. They wanted the Final Four so bad. It is hard to put in words what it was like in the locker room. We finished the season 19-11-6, and won the ECAC Tournament trophy.
It has been an honor and privilege to coach these players and so many other players before them. I have been blessed with so many great assistants coaches and volunteers that I wouldn't even know where to start to thank so many great people who have impacted my life and helped Cornell hockey be so successful.
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069
the sickness in the 2nd game was really telling on guys. they toughed it out for sure, but the energy was down in several of them
Quote from: SnowballHere's Schafer's Letter for any of you who don't receive it:
CORNELL 4, Michigan State 3
Boston U 3, CORNELL 2 OT
It had to happen eventually, but it would have been great to finish up one's career in the Frozen Four finals. Coming off the ECAC championship, I couldn't have been happier with how hard our guys played.
The win over Michigan State was one for the books. To keep coming back against the top ranked team in the country in the rink where it was like a home game for them was classic Cornell hockey.
Michigan State opened the scoring at 7:20 into the game. All season long, the Spartans put a lot of shots on goal from everywhere, and their first period goal snapped our six-game streak of scoring first. For the game, they outshot us, 37-21.
At 15:02, sophomore forward Ryan Walsh picked the pocket of s Michigan State player, and quickly beat the Spartan goaltender to make it 1-1. With 49 seconds remaining, we were assessed a penalty, and it took the Spartans just 20 seconds to regain the lead at 2-1.
We had a tough second period, and didn't have a shot on goal until halftime through the period, and finished with just four shots total for the middle stanza. But all was not lost. At 16:30, sophomore forward Charlie Major showed his marksmanship with a one-timer that dented the back of the net. Seventeen seconds later, senior goaltender Ian Shane turned the puck over, and Michigan State led, 3-2. For the season, the Spartans were 18-0-2 when leading after two periods of play.
In the third period, we were just a team that would not be denied. At 12:38, sophomore defenseman Ben Robertson sent a shot on goal that resulted in a rebound. Walsh, standing on the doorstep, tied the game for the third time with his conversion tally. Ryan has been a tremendous player for us all season long. He's also tremendous on faceoffs against the best in the country. I think we gave the boys a wakeup call going into that third period, as we outshot Michigan State, 12-7.
With 1:39 remaining, we were awarded our only power-play opportunity on the night, as speedy senior forward Jack O'Leary was pulled down from behind on his way to the net. We really put the pressure on, and with 20 seconds left, Major and senior forward Sullivan Mack exchanged passes about eight feet in front of the net. On the last exchange, Mack fired the puck into the net for the 4-3 win with 10 seconds remaining.
Shane played well in goal with 34 saves, and the Spartan's netminder stopped 17 shots. Both teams were 1-for-1 on the power play.
The next day was a day off before we were to faceoff against Boston University. Thank goodness we didn't have to play as the flu bug ran through our team. If we had to play, we would have been missing five players. I just can't believe how well this team has played, coming off so many injuries and sickness.
On to the BU game. We took a 1-0 lead at 7:35 into the game, with Walsh doing the honors once again. Junior forward Dalton Bancroft's initial shot was blocked, but the rebound hit Walsh and bounced back into the net. It was originally called a no-goal, citing a hand pass, but we challenged the call and were successful. It only took 1:12 after our goal for BU to tie the score on a shot that clanked off a Cornell skater into the net.
With two minutes remaining in the first period, a lengthy review of a after the whistle battle, we were assessed a five-minute major penalty for grabbing the face mask. This gave us the challenge of defending the fourth-best power play in the collegiate ranks for five minutes, and the boys were up to the challenge. The game, up to this point, had been a real stalemate. After 40 minutes, both teams had 23 shots on goal, while we had an edge in faceoffs won, 16-15.
BU took advantage of its power play, and scored 34 seconds into the third period to take a 2-1 lead. But O'Leary completed a great pass from senior defenseman Tim Rego to tie the game at 2-2 with 5:30 remaining. There were a few more offensive thrusts by both teams, but the game was destined to go into overtime.
Overtime began with us having a couple of quality scoring opportunities. At 6:25 of the extra session, BU scored the winning goal on a shot from the right point that made it through traffic and into the left corner of the goal.
Shane made 40 saves (the second time of his career), and the BU goaltender stopped 37 shots. We were 0-for-3 on the power play, and they were 1-for-4.
I am so proud of this team's grittiness and determination. To tie the game up showed their perseverance again . We had a couple great chances in overtime in the first few minutes. When the goal went in my heart sunk. To see this happen to our seniors three years in a row was difficult. They wanted the Final Four so bad. It is hard to put in words what it was like in the locker room. We finished the season 19-11-6, and won the ECAC Tournament trophy.
It has been an honor and privilege to coach these players and so many other players before them. I have been blessed with so many great assistants coaches and volunteers that I wouldn't even know where to start to thank so many great people who have impacted my life and helped Cornell hockey be so successful.
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069
So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.
Quote from: upprdeckthe sickness in the 2nd game was really telling on guys. they toughed it out for sure, but the energy was down in several of them
Who? The team looked on the whole faster and more physical than in the MSU game...
you were not watching from 10ft away then
Quote from: upprdeckyou were not watching from 10ft away then
I am just asking which players you thought looked slower and low-energy
Well if you read the email you see that several should not have been playing at all and probably wouldnt had it been a reg game.
About 10 were struggling. really sucking air all game long.
Quote from: upprdeckWell if you read the email you see that several should not have been playing at all and probably wouldnt had it been a reg game.
About 10 were struggling. really sucking air all game long.
I read the email. I directly replied to it like five posts above. Since you said you noticed that multiple players were really struggling, I was asking you which ones.
I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.
Even Shane was still off it looked.
Quote from: upprdeckI didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.
Even Shane was still off it looked.
OK, I mean, I don't know. I wasn't there in person. On TV, the team played was in a 50-50 game against a far more talented lineup. They largely kept up with BU's speed. So I was surprised to hear you thought their sickness was visibly affecting them.
i think the tv timeouts helped us
They did seem to play less physical but maybe I'm wrong
Quote from: underskillThey did seem to play less physical but maybe I'm wrong
I noticed that too. A lot of checking opportunities went unchecked. I thought it was because they were trying to stay out of the box. They also lost a lot of puck battles they typically win
Quote from: ERQuote from: underskillThey did seem to play less physical but maybe I'm wrong
I noticed that too. A lot of checking opportunities went unchecked. I thought it was because they were trying to stay out of the box. They also lost a lot of puck battles they typically win
I also noticed this in the MSU game. It didn't seem specific to the BU game.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ERQuote from: underskillThey did seem to play less physical but maybe I'm wrong
I noticed that too. A lot of checking opportunities went unchecked. I thought it was because they were trying to stay out of the box. They also lost a lot of puck battles they typically win
I also noticed this in the MSU game. It didn't seem specific to the BU game.
I wasn't at the MSU game, only the BU game.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: SnowballHere's Schafer's Letter for any of you who don't receive it:
CORNELL 4, Michigan State 3
Boston U 3, CORNELL 2 OT
It had to happen eventually, but it would have been great to finish up one's career in the Frozen Four finals. Coming off the ECAC championship, I couldn't have been happier with how hard our guys played.
The win over Michigan State was one for the books. To keep coming back against the top ranked team in the country in the rink where it was like a home game for them was classic Cornell hockey.
Michigan State opened the scoring at 7:20 into the game. All season long, the Spartans put a lot of shots on goal from everywhere, and their first period goal snapped our six-game streak of scoring first. For the game, they outshot us, 37-21.
At 15:02, sophomore forward Ryan Walsh picked the pocket of s Michigan State player, and quickly beat the Spartan goaltender to make it 1-1. With 49 seconds remaining, we were assessed a penalty, and it took the Spartans just 20 seconds to regain the lead at 2-1.
We had a tough second period, and didn't have a shot on goal until halftime through the period, and finished with just four shots total for the middle stanza. But all was not lost. At 16:30, sophomore forward Charlie Major showed his marksmanship with a one-timer that dented the back of the net. Seventeen seconds later, senior goaltender Ian Shane turned the puck over, and Michigan State led, 3-2. For the season, the Spartans were 18-0-2 when leading after two periods of play.
In the third period, we were just a team that would not be denied. At 12:38, sophomore defenseman Ben Robertson sent a shot on goal that resulted in a rebound. Walsh, standing on the doorstep, tied the game for the third time with his conversion tally. Ryan has been a tremendous player for us all season long. He's also tremendous on faceoffs against the best in the country. I think we gave the boys a wakeup call going into that third period, as we outshot Michigan State, 12-7.
With 1:39 remaining, we were awarded our only power-play opportunity on the night, as speedy senior forward Jack O'Leary was pulled down from behind on his way to the net. We really put the pressure on, and with 20 seconds left, Major and senior forward Sullivan Mack exchanged passes about eight feet in front of the net. On the last exchange, Mack fired the puck into the net for the 4-3 win with 10 seconds remaining.
Shane played well in goal with 34 saves, and the Spartan's netminder stopped 17 shots. Both teams were 1-for-1 on the power play.
The next day was a day off before we were to faceoff against Boston University. Thank goodness we didn't have to play as the flu bug ran through our team. If we had to play, we would have been missing five players. I just can't believe how well this team has played, coming off so many injuries and sickness.
On to the BU game. We took a 1-0 lead at 7:35 into the game, with Walsh doing the honors once again. Junior forward Dalton Bancroft's initial shot was blocked, but the rebound hit Walsh and bounced back into the net. It was originally called a no-goal, citing a hand pass, but we challenged the call and were successful. It only took 1:12 after our goal for BU to tie the score on a shot that clanked off a Cornell skater into the net.
With two minutes remaining in the first period, a lengthy review of a after the whistle battle, we were assessed a five-minute major penalty for grabbing the face mask. This gave us the challenge of defending the fourth-best power play in the collegiate ranks for five minutes, and the boys were up to the challenge. The game, up to this point, had been a real stalemate. After 40 minutes, both teams had 23 shots on goal, while we had an edge in faceoffs won, 16-15.
BU took advantage of its power play, and scored 34 seconds into the third period to take a 2-1 lead. But O'Leary completed a great pass from senior defenseman Tim Rego to tie the game at 2-2 with 5:30 remaining. There were a few more offensive thrusts by both teams, but the game was destined to go into overtime.
Overtime began with us having a couple of quality scoring opportunities. At 6:25 of the extra session, BU scored the winning goal on a shot from the right point that made it through traffic and into the left corner of the goal.
Shane made 40 saves (the second time of his career), and the BU goaltender stopped 37 shots. We were 0-for-3 on the power play, and they were 1-for-4.
I am so proud of this team's grittiness and determination. To tie the game up showed their perseverance again . We had a couple great chances in overtime in the first few minutes. When the goal went in my heart sunk. To see this happen to our seniors three years in a row was difficult. They wanted the Final Four so bad. It is hard to put in words what it was like in the locker room. We finished the season 19-11-6, and won the ECAC Tournament trophy.
It has been an honor and privilege to coach these players and so many other players before them. I have been blessed with so many great assistants coaches and volunteers that I wouldn't even know where to start to thank so many great people who have impacted my life and helped Cornell hockey be so successful.
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069
So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.
BearLover, as I posted on another thread, why do you again have to tell us how bad this loss was for you?
We all know it!
And why do you have to say something about Coach Schafer saying the flu bug was going thru the team. He told us something about the team that we didn't know. Was it important? Probably. I've had the flu multiple times and I can't imagine trying to play a physical game while I was recovering.
But getting back to my main point, why do you need to be negative 90% of the time. (Same disclaimer as in the other post.)
Quote from: BearLoverSo now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.
FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.
You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.
And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.
If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.
And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.
You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverSo now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.
FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.
You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.
And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.
If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.
And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.
You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.
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Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverSo now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.
FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.
You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.
And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.
If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.
And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.
You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.
Way too long; didn't come close to reading
The weight of truth must be so scary for you to face
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverSo now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.
FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.
You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.
And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.
If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.
And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.
You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.
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The weight of truth must be so scary for you to face
No, it's actually that you can't get past the first sentence without calling me a name and it's not interesting for me to argue with children.
To me, the most crushing loss was the Bemidji State game because we played terrible and that was a team we really should have beaten. Any OT season ending loss is crushing, especially given the situation with Schafer (and it being for a long overdue Frozen Four birth), but I find solace in the fact that we left it all out there. That's really all you can ask for on any given day.
Were we actually seeded higher in any of the regional finals besides Bemidji? Maybe Ferris State?
Quote from: underskillWere we actually seeded higher in any of the regional finals besides Bemidji? Maybe Ferris State?
Two other times: 2003 (overall #1, beat BC to advance to the FF) and 2019 (Cornell and Providence both pulled first round upsets, Cornell was a 3 seed and had the white jerseys for the regional final).
Against Ferris State Cornell was a 4 seed, advancing by pulling an upset against overall #2 Michigan in the first round. Ferris lost in the finals to overall #1 BC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_ice_hockey_tournament#Regional_Final
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: underskillWere we actually seeded higher in any of the regional finals besides Bemidji? Maybe Ferris State?
Two other times: 2003 (overall #1, beat BC to advance to the FF) and 2019 (Cornell and Providence both pulled first round upsets, Cornell was a 3 seed and had the white jerseys for the regional final).
Against Ferris State Cornell was a 4 seed, advancing by pulling an upset against overall #2 Michigan in the first round. Ferris lost in the finals to overall #1 BC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_ice_hockey_tournament#Regional_Final
Since I was looking at all this stuff, might as well put this here. Cornell's first round record features an incredible SEVEN upset wins. Cornell's first NCAA win under Schafer was in the 12-team era in 1997, with a 6 vs 3 seed upset over Miami. The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.
2009, 2012, 2019, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all featured first round upset wins in the 16 team format.
Quote from: Tom LentoThe QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Tom LentoThe QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.
Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.
Quote from: upprdeckI didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.
Even Shane was still off it looked.
By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.
Quote from: Scersk '97Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1997/box19970323.pdf) from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.
We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckI didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.
Even Shane was still off it looked.
By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.
I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckI didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.
Even Shane was still off it looked.
By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.
I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.
Everyone was exhausted on both sides I'm sure, but what struck me was that we were looking a little undisciplined positionally. Too many guys too deep on the forecheck, too many guys all the way to the boards on defense, chasing the puck all around. Maybe we lacked the speed to recover that we had earlier in the game.
Again, only a little bit. That sounds bad but it's not like we were a mess. Just a bit off, like too many guys defending the point and then all three realizing it and skating away from the puck on the game winner.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Tom LentoThe QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.
Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.
Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckI didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.
Even Shane was still off it looked.
By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.
I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.
Does anyone have the Time On Ice for our players? By the 3rd period it seemed to me like we were double shifting Bancroft-Walsh-Mack and there were a lot of players that I didn't seem to be seeing as much as usual (perhaps Penney, Kempf, O'Leary -even though he scored, others?)
The postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverSo now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.
FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet. So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.
You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone. And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.
And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent. You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown. But we didn't squander the opportunity. The team played a damn good game as did BU. We didn't make any major blunders. We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.
If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal. Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal. OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.
And enough with the unlevel playing field BS. It's not now, nor will it ever be one. This isn't a salary cap league with a draft. Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here. But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't. They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc. And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none. But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.
You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.
+1
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1997/box19970323.pdf) from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.
We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.
I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.
But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.
Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Tom LentoThe QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.
Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.
Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?
Skazyk wasn't on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1997/box19970323.pdf) from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.
We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.
I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.
But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.
Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.
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Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Tom LentoThe QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.
Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.
Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?
Skazyk wasn't on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.
I dug out the HOCKEY-L recap (https://lists.maine.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=HOCKEY-L;bd526b82.9603&FT=M&P=&H=&S=) and apparently the warming up in the tunnel story was from the Lake State game in 1996, so it was Skazyk after all.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Tom LentoThe QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.
Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.
Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.
Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?
Skazyk wasn't on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.
I dug out the HOCKEY-L recap (https://lists.maine.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=HOCKEY-L;bd526b82.9603&FT=M&P=&H=&S=) and apparently the warming up in the tunnel story was from the Lake State game in 1996, so it was Skazyk after all.
Sorry, I meant JMP was the backup for the NoDak game, not that he was the guy warming up in the tunnel. I hadn't heard that story about Skazyk!
Quote from: BearLoverThe postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.
Did you really need to bring this up again. I think by now everyone knows your opinion and you know some of us disagree.
Anyway I think you're stretching to get someone to agree with you.
I don't think the feelings of 18 to early 20 year olds can determine most brutal
in decades, since they have at most (and that's stretching) 2 decades of life experience.
And probably not even 1 decade (likely 1-5 years) of Cornell experience.
I suggest that you
let it go.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having differing opinions.
What is annoying is constantly trying to get others to agree with you.
You have your opinion, I don't agree with you.
That doesn't make you wrong, nor me wrong.
I'm not you and you're not me.
That's life in the big city.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverThe postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.
Did you really need to bring this up again. I think by now everyone knows your opinion and you know some of us disagree.
Anyway I think you're stretching to get someone to agree with you.
I don't think the feelings of 18 to early 20 year olds can determine most brutal in decades, since they have at most (and that's stretching) 2 decades of life experience.
And probably not even 1 decade (likely 1-5 years) of Cornell experience.
I suggest that you let it go.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having differing opinions.
What is annoying is constantly trying to get others to agree with you.
You have your opinion, I don't agree with you.
That doesn't make you wrong, nor me wrong.
I'm not you and you're not me.
That's life in the big city.
Jim's right of course. But the upside is, if we continue this argument, we might get this thread up to 1000 posts!
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.
My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1997/box19970323.pdf) from the puck drop. We never felt in it. Note they badly outshot us.
We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.
I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.
But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.
Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.
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Quote from: jkahnQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckI didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.
Even Shane was still off it looked.
By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.
I thought BU looked gassed too, though. I was shocked when I read about the illness. I never would have guessed.
Does anyone have the Time On Ice for our players? By the 3rd period it seemed to me like we were double shifting Bancroft-Walsh-Mack and there were a lot of players that I didn't seem to be seeing as much as usual (perhaps Penney, Kempf, O'Leary -even though he scored, others?)
TOI at the bottom of all of our boxscores.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20250329/bu_/cor/
3 BU players had more TOI than any one Cornell player.
Quote from: adamw3 BU players had more TOI than any one Cornell player.
How badly TV distorts the game.
After the second intermission, it felt to me like Cole Hutson never left the ice.
In tonight's Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole's against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu03x0AY7kc
Wow. What a thing of beauty. And the way he just effortlessly skated past those two defenders. Incredible.
Quote from: sah67In tonight's Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole's against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu03x0AY7kc
They're fucking nasty. God damn what a shot.
Relatedly, any way we can poach the tiny brother before he commits to BU? Just for fun.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67In tonight's Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole's against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu03x0AY7kc
They're fucking nasty. God damn what a shot.
Relatedly, any way we can poach the tiny brother before he commits to BU? Just for fun.
you mean, like, hunt him down?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67In tonight's Montreal game, Lane scored a nearly identical goal to Cole's against us. Think the Hutson brothers drill this one a lot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu03x0AY7kc
They're fucking nasty. God damn what a shot.
Relatedly, any way we can poach the tiny brother before he commits to BU? Just for fun.
you mean, like, hunt him down?
Yoink him before the Terriers remember he exists.
Cleaning up my hockey cards and there's a Lane Hutson. Hrm.
Also, damn, if we beat BU we'd be up against Penn State and then WMU. Just... dang.
THEY JUST HAD TO BRING UP THE FACEMASK PENALTY.
I think we could have won the national championship this year if a bunch of guys didn't have the flu. Penn State was very winnable and WMU would have been hard, but no worse than 45% IMO. Sad, we were so close. Hopefully Casey has some strategies in mind to improve the program.
Quote from: BearLoverI think we could have won the national championship this year if a bunch of guys didn't have the flu. Penn State was very winnable and WMU would have been hard, but no worse than 45% IMO. Sad, we were so close. Hopefully Casey has some strategies in mind to improve the program.
I also feel we could have had we gotten refs that weren't on the other team's bench (aka payroll) at the BU game
The Walsh face mask penalty was completely bogus
The non call on Kraft was completely bogus
We had that game
The refs gave it away
Quote from: fastforwardThe Walsh face mask penalty was completely bogus
The rule couldn't be more cut and dry. You can't grab a facemask. It doesn't matter the scenario that leads up to it. We learned earlier in the season that it won't be tolerated. I don't think it's a play that should be an automatic major but it's what the rule book calls for.
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: fastforwardThe Walsh face mask penalty was completely bogus
The rule couldn't be more cut and dry. You can't grab a facemask. It doesn't matter the scenario that leads up to it. We learned earlier in the season that it won't be tolerated. I don't think it's a play that should be an automatic major but it's what the rule book calls for.
I think if they'd called it on the ice they would have given one of the two Terriers double-teaming him a minor, but since it was a replay challenge, they could only assess the major.
Quote from: jtwcornell91I think if they'd called it on the ice they would have given one of the two Terriers double-teaming him a minor, but since it was a replay challenge, they could only assess the major.
I don't think anything would have come of that get together if not for the facemask. Walsh would have been better off with a punch than what he did do
we're all talking about the facemask call but how about yegorov and lachance double-teaming kraft, literally throwing him to the ice, and no penalty being called on that? that's much more egregious of a missed call. the facemask sucks but that's how it is in the rulebook :/
Calling it vs the Rule is the major problem
Its one thing to miss am elbow that knocks someone silly and replay to call it
Its another thing to call a facemask play like that as a major unless the tugging is egregious. Its a bad rule
Especially when punching is not allowed and when was the last time you saw them review those randomly other than when its a complete scrum?
Quote from: upprdeckCalling it vs the Rule is the major problem
Its one thing to miss am elbow that knocks someone silly and replay to call it
Its another thing to call a facemask play like that as a major unless the tugging is egregious. Its a bad rule
Especially when punching is not allowed and when was the last time you saw them review those randomly other than when its a complete scrum?
The correct call was to call the facemask penalty and then "find" another major to call.
Basically, "Yep, you got your timeout back because technically there was a facemask there, but don't pull that crap again."
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: upprdeckCalling it vs the Rule is the major problem
Its one thing to miss am elbow that knocks someone silly and replay to call it
Its another thing to call a facemask play like that as a major unless the tugging is egregious. Its a bad rule
Especially when punching is not allowed and when was the last time you saw them review those randomly other than when its a complete scrum?
The correct call was to call the facemask penalty and then "find" another major to call.
Basically, "Yep, you got your timeout back because technically there was a facemask there, but don't pull that crap again."
or even 5 for facemask and a minor for roughing
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: upprdeckCalling it vs the Rule is the major problem
Its one thing to miss am elbow that knocks someone silly and replay to call it
Its another thing to call a facemask play like that as a major unless the tugging is egregious. Its a bad rule
Especially when punching is not allowed and when was the last time you saw them review those randomly other than when its a complete scrum?
The correct call was to call the facemask penalty and then "find" another major to call.
Basically, "Yep, you got your timeout back because technically there was a facemask there, but don't pull that crap again."
or even 5 for facemask and a minor for roughing
That was my point; unfortunately they can't call a minor based on a replay, but I like Scott's idea of calling 5 for "contact to the head roughing" or some such.