so not sure if anyone knows about ebays ticket policy but this has been listed incorrectly. The seller is in NY so the max value he can sell at is 120% or ~ $130 max (cant remember the exact total).
Anyone know how to contact the JA at Cornell? I hate people who sell tickets for money. The seat is listed -> name?
curious what you all think
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2198749031&category=16122
Quotejy3 wrote:
curious what you all think
I think if the dumbass doesn't know enough to say that the ticket is in Section D and not in "Section DD", then he doesn't deserve to have tickets in the first place.
furthermore, aren't there only 16 home games left?
Feel free to report the scalping violation -
http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_inline/index.html
"Report a Questionable Listing" -> "Prohibited Items Guidelines" -> "Tickets"
Just click continue on the next screen, since we don't need to read up on the rules - it's illegal. The more people that submit a report on it, the more likely they are to take it down soon.
yeah ishould have given that link. i reported the auction too and i emailed the lister
I think the reason he's getting away with it is that he has listed the item as 17 tickets rather than one season ticket package. That's the only way the maximum bid for New York residents could be $2223.60. He must have said the single ticket price was the season ticket price. New York limits the resale premium to the greater of 20% or $5.
Post Edited (10-28-03 11:24)
For those reporting, you can include a link to pricing information at:
http://www.collegesports.com/sports/m-hockey/stories/090403aaa.html
Full price of season tickets was $109.00.
Please follow-up if you feel strongly about this... we've got about 3 more hours before the sale closes.
Chris
What is the printed price on each ticket? Theoretically, a seller could try to add the $5 premium to all 17 tickets. But it still wouldn't come close to the max amount on Ebay which is 120% X $109 x 17 = $2223.60 - but it would probably be more than the current bid.
Also, anyone know anything about "licensed brokers"? I have seen references to this being a requirement to resell in state but when I tried the New York State web site I couldn't find anything about how one would go about getting a license.
Post Edited (10-28-03 11:25)
Has anybody contacted an official at Cornell about this? ebay probably gets tons of complaint e-mails, so the chances this gets taken care of in the next 2 hours seems slim.
The problem right now is that the law, as written, applies to the price printed on the ticket. I don't know what that is but as the current bid is $257.60 then the printed price would have to less than approximately $10.15.
[$10.15 + $5 premium] x 17 = $257.55
thanks a lot stupid law ::twak::
If the seller is indeed breaking NYS law, then it doesn't matter that the auction ends shortly. In fact, doesn't the transaction have to take place in order for the person to be in violation?
jy3, did you email the seller informing him/her that you have/will contact the appropriate authorities?
Even if eBay takes the auction down, the seller probably now has the email addresses of potential desperate buyers and an idea of how high they are willing to pay.
QuoteRich H '96 wrote:
Even if eBay takes the auction down, the seller probably now has the email addresses of potential desperate buyers and an idea of how high they are willing to pay.
True, which is why I think whoever it was that had the idea of reporting it to Athletics (since the seat location and presumably email address are up there) and getting the guy's ticket revoked had a better plan.
Ebay's policy page seems to indicate that the limit only applies to buyers in New York State even if the seller is in New York. And the limit probably hasn't been reached yet. Does anyone know if Ebay has the law wrong? I doubt Ebay would be that careless.
Well, it looks like the auction is just about over. Oh well. We tried.
According to the ticket office, the winning bidder is the seller. It seems that whoever emailed the ticket office prompted them to find the seller. I guess there is no way to cancel an auction so the seller had to outbid everyone under another name. At least they will have to pay the commission to Ebay.
QuoteBill '94 wrote:
According to the ticket office, the winning bidder is the seller. It seems that whoever emailed the ticket office prompted them to find the seller. I guess there is no way to cancel an auction so the seller had to outbid everyone under another name. At least they will have to pay the commission to Ebay.
You mean...the system actually
works?! Whoa...weird...but cool.
So, I think this is dumb: if scalpers are able to get insane markups, it seems to me the ticket office should be charging more in the first place, because obviously the market can bear it. I'd rather Cornell athletics get the money than some random scalper whose only contribution to this earth is to do the sports equivalent of day-trading.
Additionally, in this case, Cornell could also demand a current student picture ID at entry, so the rink doesn't fill up with Joe Q. Random alums who can more easily afford to blow their relatively large incomes on season tickets that they use only a few times a year, leaving the rink half-empty the rest of the time.
Cheers,
Kyle
You can't expect students to make every single game provided in the season ticket package. You need to be able to transfer individual tickets.
Can't expect students to make every game? I never missed a game when I had season tickets. Where are your priorities, man?
she emailed me back. here is the email. i am not releasing her name nor her email BUT I am glad that the winning bidder was the seller because she gave me her cornell ID thru her email -> i would have called the ticket office. I am glad that I did not have to do so. thanks for the help guys. I have no problem if she wants to get rid of the ticket. I do have a problem with any markup of tickets but if it is within the law then I can't do too much. this was beyond the law so...
email from her including my email to her:
she wrote:
no worries...
--- johnyowpaiii@hotmail.com wrote:
> hi
> i believe that you have mislisted the value of these
> tickets. each ticket is worth ~12$ as the season
> ticket price was ~$110. What you are doing is
> illegal. I suggest you close this auction before
> your actions get reported to Cornell, ebay, and the
> police. Good luck.
> --------------------
The fact that some people are willing to pay large amounts of money for tickets doesn't imply that the majority of people would. If they jacked the ticket prices up to $25 per game I'd bet you'd have a lot fewer people in Lynah on game nights. Since you can't price discriminate sufficiently they are forced to choose a price at which the rink sells out, which is lower than the maximum that scalpers can get.
Considering how many times I've had trouble dumping an extra ticket at the door in the past, anyone who pays large amounts for scalped season tickets is pretty dumb.
BTW - if you think Cornell should just charge what the market will bear (as indicated by scalpers) then we should be praising the Harvard decision to put the Cornell game in a ticket package. After all, if cornell alums are willing to pay large amounts to see the Lynah East game then why shouldn't Harvard charge what the market will bear?
Back in the day, a certain percentage of the seats were reserved for students. There were actually 4 days of ticket sales:
Day 1 - Seniors only
Day 2 - Juniors and Sophs
Day 3 - All students
Day 4 - Alumni and townies
A certain fraction of the seats were reserved for each day, though I don't know if it was equal numbers for each group.
Also bear in mind, this was when section C was still a student section (and the one most in demand, as a matter of fact).
JH
While the alums may be able to afford the season ticket prices, there is a waiting list for getting CHA or townie season tickets. Also, the majority of out-of-towners, me included, sell the tickets (at face value) whenever we can't make it to a game. If our seats in section C are empty, it's because the students we sold the tickets to squeeze in over in B or D so that they can stand.
Post Edited (10-28-03 17:33)
On the other hand, as long as "Licensed Ticket Brokers" are allowed to charge whatever they want, I do think that ebay can serve a useful function in ticket sales. For instance, I purchased 2001 World Series tickets for game 6 on ebay, and even though the seller was illegally selling, I paid less than I would have if I purchased from a licensed broker. By cutting out the broker as a middle man, the buyer and seller both get a better deal.
Of course, Cornell hockey tickets are sacred, should never be sold above face value and should only be purchased by those who intend to use them.
I want to to add that selling tickets for slightly above face value to cover any associated cost seems to be fine by me. For instance, if you sell a ticket on ebay, the seller has to pay a percentage fee. Mailing the tickets out costs as well.
I guess I was a chump, but last year, I had bought a bunch of tickets to the Cornell @ Harvard game, and then distributed them to Cornell fans. Because of all the fee, etc., I actually ended up fronting about $35 to go watch Cornell notch a W against the evil H.
Bottom line, for Cornell hockey tickets, I believe in marking up so that the seller doesn't lose money on the transaction. I don't agree with marking up the tickets simply to make a profit.
redar
i agree with having the prices a little higher due to shipping, fees, etc.
[q]The fact that some people are willing to pay large amounts of money for tickets doesn't imply that the majority of people would. If they jacked the ticket prices up to $25 per game I'd bet you'd have a lot fewer people in Lynah on game nights. Since you can't price discriminate sufficiently they are forced to choose a price at which the rink sells out, which is lower than the maximum that scalpers can get.[/q]
You're right. But that doesn't negate my point: instead of letting scalpers handle the late crowd, let the ticket office save some student section tickets and sell them later at an inflated price. More $$$ for Cornell hockey, and less for the leeches.
[q]BTW - if you think Cornell should just charge what the market will bear (as indicated by scalpers) then we should be praising the Harvard decision to put the Cornell game in a ticket package.[/q]
Despite not liking the situation, I do in fact give them props for it. It's a smart business decision on their part. Hey, they got my $44. Now, it's up to us to make it so painful for their recruiting that they never ever even consider enticing Cornell fans to non-Cornell games... :-)
Cheers,
Kyle
Ya know, Kyle, there's more to this issue than money, ya know. It's very capitalist and laisse faire of you and all, but there are occasionally higher issues than profit.
There are ways to get the hands out of scalpers and into fans hands without making the prices higher. It's called a system that works the way it's supposed to.
-Fred
QuoteDeltaOne81 '03 wrote:
There are ways to get the hands out of scalpers and into fans hands without making the prices higher. It's called a system that works the way it's supposed to.
You're going to chop off the scalpers' hands and give them to the fans? :-D
Only if they throw them on the ice at the Harvard game.:-P
JH
I don't have a problem with capitalist suggestions. I just don't think it's a good idea. Let's say they do hold over some tickets to sell at exorbitant prices. From my experience, there's no guarantee that those tickets get sold at all. You won't get rid of the random people dumping their tickets, who often aren't able to charge a markup. And what price should the school charge for these last minute tickets that will guarantee selling them? (You could also try to maximize revenue, but selling out the seats is an advantage for the team.) I suspect many people are more willing to pay a premium to a scalper than to the school. If it's a scalper then you're paying what you have to to get a hot ticket. If it's the school people will be pissed off at Cornell for ripping them off.
Basically I don't think your idea is practical.