Cornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.
Those imbeciles continue to play into the hands of Trump and his minions.
And now the university is forming a task force on "institutional voice" (https://provost.cornell.edu/initiatives/task-force-institutional-voice/). I assume this ties into the event last night and who gets invited to speak on campus going forward.
Some other schools have said, "In light of recent events [including some that make us look bad], we will be a neutral / quiet platform for the voices to be heard in all their diversity." Read; What we thought was neutral, at least on a campus that is more liberal than America as a whole, is resulting in bad optics for us."
Recall that the Ivy presidents brought to testify before Congress, it appeared the answers formulated in pep sessions, prepared them to work in a court of law ... and it bit them on the butt in the court of public opinion.
I am also intrigued but how a department that has skewed well left (maybe right) of center, makes it harder for neutral, MOR faculty applicants to be approved unless they align with the current orthodoxy.
Pathways to Peace
... had an all-star cast of speakers, not just faculty or local activists
... Cornell says no audio or video recording devices allowed. I'm curious how Cornell dealt with the media who want to capture the event with images and maybe capture the speaker's words to make sure they're quoted accurately.
As of Tuesday, this was the most recent item in The Sun, a guest column. Not much wiggle room for Israel to discuss.
As of Tuesday 3 pm, the day after the 3/10 event, the only reporting was text, no images, on FigerLakes1.com. It says 16 people were arrested or detained. Story:
https://www.fingerlakes1.com/2025/03/11/protesters-arrested-during-peaceful-walkout-at-cornell-university/
Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.
I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
QuoteNEW: Cornell University says Students for Justice in Palestine "faces suspension" and several students and staff will be disciplined for disrupting a "Pathways to Peace" panel last night:
"Cornell University Police identified 17 people responsible for this unacceptable disruption. Nine students will be referred to the Office of Student Conduct and Community Standards for appropriate action, including the imposition of interim measures up to and including suspension. Staff members involved in the disruption will be referred for disciplinary actions through Human Resources. Outside disrupters will be issued persona non grata status, barring them from Cornell's campus."
"Additionally, for advertising and organizing this disruption, Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), a student-run organization, faces suspension as a registered campus organization."
https://x.com/sfmcguire79/status/1899552728256503890
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.
I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.
I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL. How much they support Palestinians versus how much they simply support Hamas is questionable.
As for no media - LMAO. Everyone was recording it, as Weber's Twitter link shows. I wasn't, mostly because I didn't want to have ANY issues, but the people in front of me were definitely recording the students getting thrown out; the no media rule wasn't actually policed, I don't think. I see myself on camera in both those recordings. Not causing a disturbance, of course.
The Sun just posted their take on it. (https://cornellsun.com/2025/03/11/16-pro-palestinian-protesters-arrested-during-university-run-pathways-to-peace-panel/) I chatted with one of the reporters after the event, but I guess my story wasn't exciting enough to be formally included, haha!
And here's Cornell's take on it. (https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2025/03/panel-conversation-explores-pathways-peace-israel-palestine)
And here's Cornell's take on it.
You were there. Is this a fair interpretation?
"Some audience members were asked to leave or escorted out of the auditorium after shouting over some of the speakers, which Interim President Michael I. Kotlikoff had warned might happen in his introduction, saying that actions preventing a speaker's ability to be heard or the right of others to listen violate university policy."
Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
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Quote from: George64And here's Cornell's take on it.
You were there. Is this a fair interpretation?
"Some audience members were asked to leave or escorted out of the auditorium after shouting over some of the speakers, which Interim President Michael I. Kotlikoff had warned might happen in his introduction, saying that actions preventing a speaker's ability to be heard or the right of others to listen violate university policy."
Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
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That is fair, but a bit of an understatement. It feels like a lot more people were asked to leave/escorted out, or walked out silently, than "some". That also fails to note that people were being taken out every few minutes after interruptions, it felt like, and not in like, one go. (As in, we'd get a few minutes of speech, then someone going all "WAR CRIMINAL, FREE PALESTINE" and a few people taken out, then a few minutes of speech again, another protest, etcetera, etcetera.) There wasn't really much force used, definitely no brandishing of weapons or anything like that.
begging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.
From the D&C: Eight NY colleges under federal antisemitism investigation
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2025/03/12/ny-colleges-under-federal-antisemitism-investigation-what-to-know/82287156007/
Sixty U.S. colleges and universities, including eight in New York, are under investigation for antisemitic discrimination and harassment, according to the U.S. Department of Education.
Letters were sent to the schools informing them of the investigation, the department's Office of Civil Rights announced in a news release Monday, and warned them of "potential enforcement actions if they do not fulfill obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus, including uninterrupted access to campus facilities and educational opportunities."
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Quote from: stereaxQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.
I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL. How much they support Palestinians versus how much they simply support Hamas is questionable.
From statements I've heard from the most extreme anti-Zionists in the West, they don't support Hamas specifically so much as oppose Israel, and don't always care who's doing the opposing.
Quote from: George64From the D&C: Eight NY colleges under federal antisemitism investigation
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2025/03/12/ny-colleges-under-federal-antisemitism-investigation-what-to-know/82287156007/
Sixty U.S. colleges and universities, including eight in New York, are under investigation for antisemitic discrimination and harassment, according to the U.S. Department of Education.
Letters were sent to the schools informing them of the investigation, the department's Office of Civil Rights announced in a news release Monday, and warned them of "potential enforcement actions if they do not fulfill obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus, including uninterrupted access to campus facilities and educational opportunities."
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Cornell is among these schools, as per the Sun. Page 3 of the print version is all about the panel and everything else around it.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: stereaxQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
Anyways, ask me questions, I'm probably gonna be quoted in the Sun tomorrow.
I would also put "pro-Palestinian" in quotes there. I looked up Livni and Fayyad, and they've both spent most of their political careers trying to make progress towards a two-state solution.
Oh no, Livni and Fayyad were great last night. I meant the students in that sentence, LOL. How much they support Palestinians versus how much they simply support Hamas is questionable.
From statements I've heard from the most extreme anti-Zionists in the West, they don't support Hamas specifically so much as oppose Israel, and don't always care who's doing the opposing.
Aye. I mean that more as in, Hamas doesn't always have the interest of the Palestinian people at heart, yet many protesters idolize those "freedom fighters" above moderates calling for peace.
It's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.
Quote from: TrotskyIt's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.
That's a disgusting comment on so many levels. Shame on you.
Quote from: ugartebegging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.
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Quote from: TrotskyIt's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.
This is abhorrent. But you'll be outraged because BearLover criticizes a hockey team.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: ugartebegging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.
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from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
Quote from: LGR14Quote from: TrotskyIt's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.
This is abhorrent.
A dead baby's a dead baby. You murder them -- you're a murderer. I don't care whether you butter the projection of your ego face up or face down.
Fasc are fasc. Fuck em all.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: LGR14Quote from: TrotskyIt's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Likud and Hamas vs the humans.
This is abhorrent.
A dead baby's a dead baby. You murder them -- you're a murderer. I don't care whether you butter the projection of your ego face up or face down.
Fasc are fasc. Fuck em all.
As I said, absolutely abhorrent and embarrassed that we share an alma mater.
I'm totally with you on this. I'll be on the second mast.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: toddloseQuote from: ugartebegging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.
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from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
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Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: toddloseQuote from: ugartebegging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.
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from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
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+1 lol
Quote from: LGR14As I said, absolutely abhorrent and embarrassed that we share an alma mater.
You didn't stutter; I heard your doctrinaire silliness the first time. Freiburg had Heidegger; only fair Cornell should have its... local color.
Let your Bibi flag fly. He's not even committed to his genocide. He's just trying to save his wrinkled old ass by hiding behind you. So pathetic.
He makes a desert and calls it peace (https://global.unitednations.entermediadb.net/assets/mediadb/services/module/asset/downloads/preset/Libraries/Production%20Library/04-03-2024-UNRWA-Gaza-01.jpg/image770x420cropped.jpg). Hamas and Likud are the same mental illness.
Or, more likely, business model. Prolly the same board, laughing all the way to the bank.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: toddloseQuote from: ugartebegging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.
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from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
This is the silt trap. You no like? You leave. Not your circus and not your clowns.
It is better to have it out with the fasc in Comments than with ordinance. They are cowards. They will always fold in the face of the viciousness they excuse, for whatever supernatural idiocy they ascribe to.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: LGR14As I said, absolutely abhorrent and embarrassed that we share an alma mater.
You didn't stutter; I heard your doctrinaire silliness the first time. Freiburg had Heidegger; only fair Cornell should have its... local color.
Let your Bibi flag fly. He's not even committed to his genocide. He's just trying to save his wrinkled old ass by hiding behind you. So pathetic.
He makes a desert and calls it peace (https://global.unitednations.entermediadb.net/assets/mediadb/services/module/asset/downloads/preset/Libraries/Production%20Library/04-03-2024-UNRWA-Gaza-01.jpg/image770x420cropped.jpg). Hamas and Likud are the same mental illness.
Or, more likely, business model. Prolly the same board, laughing all the way to the bank.
Thanks, will do.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: toddloseQuote from: ugartebegging for this thread to be locked before it gets ugly. if this sounds like i am asking you to tie me to the mast, i am.
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from what little i can glean from toddlose's politics i think we almost certainly disagree but are united in asking all of you to please shut the fuck up
This is the silt trap. You no like? You leave. Not your circus and not your clowns.
It is better to have it out with the fasc in Comments than with ordinance. They are cowards. They will always fold in the face of the viciousness they excuse, for whatever supernatural idiocy they ascribe to.
Setting aside the substance of what you're saying (honestly I have no comment and really don't care to get involved whatsoever), I think your writing style needs work.
From today's D&C — (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2025/03/17/three-ny-colleges-under-investigation-for-alleged-civil-rights-violations-cornell-nyu-ithaca/82491251007/)
Three NY colleges under investigation for alleged civil rights violations
Here are the three New York schools named in the letters:
Cornell University and New York University for "allegedly engaging in race exclusionary practices in graduate programs."
Ithaca College for "allegedly impermissible race-based scholarships and race-based segregation."
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Quote from: George64"allegedly engaging in race exclusionary practices in graduate programs."
if I translate this from MAGA to English I'm assuming this is "you have a diversity program and we don't like that"? like the diversity fellowships?
Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:
Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.
The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.
"Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!" one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:
Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.
The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.
"Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!" one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
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Can confirm I recall that being said, and I recall the statement Kotlikoff put out, too. Is that in this thread yet? Here it is, if not. (https://statements.cornell.edu/2025/20250311-pathways-to-peace-disturbance.cfm)
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:
Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.
The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.
"Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!" one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
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Can confirm I recall that being said, and I recall the statement Kotlikoff put out, too. Is that in this thread yet? Here it is, if not. (https://statements.cornell.edu/2025/20250311-pathways-to-peace-disturbance.cfm)
Thanks! I think Kotlikoff's been a terrific interim president and before that an outstanding provost. I wish he was 15 years younger, so our Board could simply remove the "interim" tag.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Quote from: stereaxCornell hosted a Pathways to Peace event (https://events.cornell.edu/event/pathways-to-peace) today.
Speakers included a former VPM of Israel.
You can guess the amount of pro-Palestinian "activists" who screamed viva Palestine and got thrown out.
I just got home from it. Was slated to ask a question but after the first students with questions all decided to spend their time telling the former VPM she was a war criminal... didn't happen.
From The Jerusalem Post, March 17:
Cornell University anti-Israel student activists and the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine face suspension for the disruption of a panel last Monday on Middle East peace, Cornell Interim President Michael Kotlikoff said in a statement on Tuesday.
The Cornell University Police identified seventeen people for protesting and heckling Pathways to Peace panelists ex-Israeli deputy prime minister Tzipi Livni, ex-Palestinian Authority prime minister Salam Fayyad, and ex-US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro.
"Five hundred children in 2014 – you killed them!" one of the protesters may have mistakenly yelled at Livni, who was Justice Minister during Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza.
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Can confirm I recall that being said, and I recall the statement Kotlikoff put out, too. Is that in this thread yet? Here it is, if not. (https://statements.cornell.edu/2025/20250311-pathways-to-peace-disturbance.cfm)
Thanks! I think Kotlikoff's been a terrific interim president and before that an outstanding provost. I wish he was 15 years younger, so our Board could simply remove the "interim" tag.
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I don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.
Quote from: stereaxI don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.
Here's a good summary of his achievements - [https://president.cornell.edu/about/]. Too bad, he's almost 75.
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Quote from: George64From today's D&C — (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2025/03/17/three-ny-colleges-under-investigation-for-alleged-civil-rights-violations-cornell-nyu-ithaca/82491251007/)
Three NY colleges under investigation for alleged civil rights violations
Here are the three New York schools named in the letters:
Cornell University and New York University for "allegedly engaging in race exclusionary practices in graduate programs."
Ithaca College for "allegedly impermissible race-based scholarships and race-based segregation."
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The latest from today's D&C (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=24dc25219_134f8f3)
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Quote from: George64Quote from: stereaxI don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.
Here's a good summary of his achievements - [https://president.cornell.edu/about/]. Too bad, he's almost 75.
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God damn, that's impressive.
Quote from: stereaxI don't watch the wider Cornell community, so I don't know much about Kotlikoff, but he seems like a fine man from what little I've heard.
Cornell wants every president to live up to the Frank HT Rhodes charisma level, well-dressed, tall, debonair, with a British accent.
Current provost now acting-President Michael Kotlikoff would make a good president but he's 73-74 years old this year and the ideal president has a ten-year tenure. Some say previous provost Kent Fuchs would have been a good David Skorton successor but some say he was not quite the engaging personality Cornell wanted. He was good enough to be named President of the University of Florida just after it became apparent Cornell was not pursuing him for president; Fuchs served 2015-2023 then came back in an interim role after the 14-month presidency tenure of former Sen. Ben Sasse.
Give Kotlikoff credit for sitting for a Cornell Daily Sun interview that, IMO, was confrontational and in some cases almost hostile, some might say. It's the kind of thing the Cornell handlers would recommend against.
Plus Kotlikoff is a Cornell basketball fan.
Quote from: billhowardPlus Kotlikoff is a Cornell basketball fan.
He was at Ivy madness this year
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: billhowardPlus Kotlikoff is a Cornell basketball fan.
He was at Ivy madness this year
Ivy Madness 2024-2025 is the encampments on the Ivy quads, threats whispered in the ears of Jewish students, most of us not understanding fully the horrors of living in Gaza, many of us in sorrow that Palestinian leaders are willing to sacrifice their people to make a point.
Quote from: billhowardIvy Madness 2024-2025 is the encampments on the Ivy quads, threats whispered in the ears of Jewish students, most of us not understanding fully the horrors of living in Gaza, many of us in sorrow that Palestinian leaders are willing to sacrifice their people to make a point.
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Kotlikoff in the NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/31/opinion/ideas-universities-controversey-protest.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). Our trustees made the right choice in removing the "interim" tag.
Quote from: George64Kotlikoff in the NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/31/opinion/ideas-universities-controversey-protest.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). Our trustees made the right choice in removing the "interim" tag.
Archive link to avoid paywall. (https://archive.ph/wVlAd)
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Kotlikoff in the NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/31/opinion/ideas-universities-controversey-protest.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). Our trustees made the right choice in removing the "interim" tag.
Archive link to avoid paywall. (https://archive.ph/wVlAd)
Thanks, I'm too old to know how to do that!
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Funding canceled
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/us/politics/cornell-northwestern-university-funds-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Quote from: chimpfoodFunding canceled
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/us/politics/cornell-northwestern-university-funds-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
For non-subscribers -
The Trump administration has frozen more than $1 billion in funding for Cornell and $790 million for Northwestern amid civil rights investigations into both schools, two administration officials said.
The funding pause involves mostly grants and contracts with the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the unannounced decision.
The moves are the latest in a rapidly escalating campaign against the nation's elite universities that has resulted in more than $3.3 billion in federal funds suspended or canceled. The other schools that have had funds frozen include Brown, Columbia, Harvard, Penn and Princeton.
Representatives for Cornell and Northwestern did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
And the DOW down over 10 percent the past week!
From Inside Higher Ed -
The Trump administration is freezing more than $1 billion in federal funds at Cornell University and $790 million at Northwestern University—the latest colleges to see their federal grants and contracts threatened, The New York Times reported Tuesday, citing anonymous officials.
The affected funds will include money from the Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services Departments. The Times didn't say why those universities were losing the money aside from noting that both institutions are facing civil rights investigations related to alleged antisemitism on campus. In recent weeks, Northwestern has sought to highlight its efforts to combat antisemitism, which include policy changes and mandatory antisemitism training for students, faculty and staff.
However, the administration can't legally pull funding from colleges for civil rights violations until after a lengthy process that's supposed to include notice to Congress and the opportunity for judicial review. Still, the Trump administration has used other avenues—which some experts say are illegal and are the subject of legal challenges—to cut off money. They include tapping a task force to investigate colleges and targeting their grants and contracts. The task force is currently reviewing Harvard University's federal funding, which totals $9 billion, and has demanded several changes in order for the college to continue receiving money.
Jon Yates, a Northwestern spokesman, said the university learned via the media about the freeze, which would affect "a significant portion of our federal funding."
"The University has not received any official notification from the federal government," Yates wrote in an email to Inside Higher Ed. "Federal funds that Northwestern receives drive innovative and life-saving research, like the recent development by Northwestern researchers of the world's smallest pacemaker, and research fueling the fight against Alzheimer's disease. This type of research is now at jeopardy. The University has fully cooperated with investigations by both the Department of Education and Congress."
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The Cornell Daily Sun -
The federal government has frozen over $1 billion in funding for Cornell, according to members of the Trump administration. This comes amid an ongoing investigation by the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights.
The move follows the slashing of more than $3.3 billion in federal funding from several Ivy League universities, including Columbia, Harvard, the University of Pennsylvania, Brown and Princeton. The Trump administration also froze $790 million in funding for Northwestern, according to The New York Times.
Cornell receives both federal and state funding for its research and grants for students. The freezing of Cornell and Northwestern's funding from the federal government will primarily involve grants and contracts with the departments of agriculture, defense, education and health and human services, The New York Times reported.
The ED OCR sent a letter on Feb. 14 to federally funded educational institutions, ordering the dissolution of "racial preferences" and other University race-conscious decisions. The ED highlighted in the letter that universities could potentially lose federal funding if they did not comply within 14 days.
Following the initial letter, the OCR announced the opening of an investigation of Cornell and 44 other universities under Title VI. The OCR explained that the investigations came amid allegations that the universities violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by working with The Ph.D. Project — which "purports to provide doctoral students with insights into obtaining a Ph.D. and networking opportunities, but limits eligibility based on the race of participants," according to the OCR.
In January, the White House budget office sent a memo to government agencies ordering a temporary pause in federal financial assistance authorized in Congress. This action was temporarily blocked by Federal Judge Loren AliKhan of the District of Columbia.
Following this decision, President Michael Kotlikoff, Provost Kavita Bala and Provost of Medical Affairs Dr. Robert Harrington sent a Jan. 28 statement to the Cornell community responding to potential concerns about the pause in grant and research funding.
In the statement, administrators recognized that while the temporary pause in funding was "unsettling," the University "will work together to ensure the continuity of our missions" to help "maintain our efforts to 'do the greatest good.'"
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The Daily Northwestern -
The Trump administration has frozen $790 million in federal funding for Northwestern, The New York Times first reported Tuesday.
The freeze comes amid recent attacks on some of the nation's elite universities by the Trump administration, with more than $3.3 billion in federal funding having been paused or completely cancelled thus far.
Also on Tuesday, the administration froze more than $1 billion in funding for Cornell University.
NU and Cornell now join Brown University, Columbia University, Harvard University, University of Pennsylvania and Princeton University, which have all been affected by the funding cuts over the past several weeks.
Many of these universities are also undergoing federal civil rights investigations. NU is currently being investigated by the Education Department and Department of Justice and is one of 10 universities that the Federal Task Force to Combat Antisemitism will visit.
The pause primarily targets grants and contracts from the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services, according to officials that The Times spoke to.
A University spokesperson told The Daily that NU has not yet been notified of the cuts by the federal government and were instead "informed by members of the media." They added that NU's "innovative and lifesaving research" is now at risk.
"The University has fully cooperated with investigations by both the Department of Education and Congress," the spokesperson said.
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NYT: Trump Administration Freezes $1 Billion for Cornell and $790 Million for Northwestern, Officials Say (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/us/politics/cornell-northwestern-university-funds-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-U4.KnGd.Ea2B012mnEka&smid=url-share)
Also: WSJ:Trump Team to Freeze Nearly $2 Billion at Cornell and Northwestern Universities (https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/trump-team-to-freeze-nearly-2-billion-at-cornell-and-northwestern-universities-2e13a88a?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
Quote from: George64The Daily Northwestern -
The Trump administration has frozen $790 million in federal funding for Northwestern, The New York Times first reported Tuesday.
The freeze comes amid recent attacks on some of the nation's elite universities by the Trump administration, with more than $3.3 billion in federal funding having been paused or completely cancelled thus far.
Also on Tuesday, the administration froze more than $1 billion in funding for Cornell University.
NU and Cornell now join Brown University, Columbia University, Harvard University, University of Pennsylvania and Princeton University, which have all been affected by the funding cuts over the past several weeks.
Many of these universities are also undergoing federal civil rights investigations. NU is currently being investigated by the Education Department and Department of Justice and is one of 10 universities that the Federal Task Force to Combat Antisemitism will visit.
The pause primarily targets grants and contracts from the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services, according to officials that The Times spoke to.
A University spokesperson told The Daily that NU has not yet been notified of the cuts by the federal government and were instead "informed by members of the media." They added that NU's "innovative and lifesaving research" is now at risk.
"The University has fully cooperated with investigations by both the Department of Education and Congress," the spokesperson said.
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Cornell, Brown, Columbia, Harvard, the University of Pennsylvania and Princeton, or as they say at the White House, six down, two to go! Just how many rejection letters did Barron get?
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We got an email yesterday at 11:04 PM (which tells you what you need to know already) saying this:
Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornell community,
Cornell is aware of media reports suggesting that more than $1 billion in federal grants have been frozen. While we have not received information that would confirm this figure, earlier today Cornell received more than 75 stop-work orders from the Department of Defense related to research that is profoundly significant to American national defense, cybersecurity, and health.
The affected grants include research into new materials for jet engines, propulsion systems, large-scale information networks, robotics, superconductors, and space and satellite communications, as well as cancer research – work of significance for our national defense, the competitiveness of our economy, and the health of our citizens.
We are actively seeking information from federal officials to learn more about the basis for these decisions.
Cornell is a land-grant university that serves New York state and the nation. The university has worked diligently to create an environment where all individuals and viewpoints are protected and respected. We are committed to working with our federal partners to continue the contributions made by our scientists and scholars.
Sincerely,
Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
Kavita Bala
Provost
Robert A. Harrington
Provost for Medical Affairs
No idea why it posted twice, sorry **]
We got an email about institutional voice! And a form to fill out to tell them what you think, if you want. Here. (https://cornell.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_6sZWBBWbS1cn75Y) There's a spot for alumni to answer, I'm assuming most of you are :)
Not about Cornell, but may affect us indirectly. NYTimes: Trump May Seek Judicial Oversight of Columbia, Potentially for Years. Also in the WSJ. Ivy admissions were announced at the end of March. I'd bet that Columbia's yield will be down, with many admits coming to NY's other Ivy.
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Rochester D&C (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=0005f84af_134f94f)
Harvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/04/cornell-further-details-federal-stop-work-orders-on-defense-cancer-research/) reports on Cornell announcement of some the research funding under the stop work order from the White House.
Quote from: upprdeckHarvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
The first time I ever said "Go Harvard." The hockey team still sucks, though!
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Quote from: George64Quote from: upprdeckHarvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
The first time I ever said "Go Harvard." The hockey team still sucks, though!
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From Harvard's letter in response to the funding freeze: "The university will not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional rights. Neither Harvard nor any other private university can allow itself to be taken over by the federal government. Accordingly, Harvard will not accept the government's terms as an agreement in principle.
Harvard remains open to dialogue about what the university has done, and is planning to do, to improve the experience of every member of its community. But Harvard is not prepared to agree to demands that go beyond the lawful authority of this or any administration."
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Quote from: upprdeckHarvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/breaking-cornell-sues-doe-following-1-billion-funding-freeze)
I know its a big deal.. its a big deal because its part of the cost plan of doing and providing the research over the life of a grant
8 million isnt make or break in one year.. it adds up over time.
Lost in this is that the amount of indirect cost really does vary based on the type of research and the govt doesnt take that into account as well.
Maybe the schools fight back on how much time and effort is done in tracking the progress of the grants that the Govt requires then to lower the indirect cost.
Make the govt figure it all out. Of course they cant since they laid 25% of them off now.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckHarvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/breaking-cornell-sues-doe-following-1-billion-funding-freeze)
Good. :-( I would rather we go flat broke, and our beloved alma mater turn into a ghost town, than buckle to these clowns.
the schools that are joining together to fight this have a ton of clout.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckHarvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/breaking-cornell-sues-doe-following-1-billion-funding-freeze)
I think this lawsuit is on an issue distinct from the 1bn of frozen funding—it deals with a much smaller amount of incidental research costs that the government is trying to cut the funding for. The 1bn of frozen funding is way more of a threat to Cornell and they may be forced to capitulate to Trump's demands like Columbia did.
Endanger our students. Fine.
Endanger our money. Prepare to die.
Quote from: George64The first time I ever said "Go Harvard." The hockey team still sucks, though!
I'm going to have this one bronzed.
This is sort of like reverse Nazis: First they came for the elite schools. But eventually they'll come for the lesser leaves of the Ivies.
You'd think with Anne Coulter '84 on our side, so to speak, we'd have some inherited immunity. And OMG the Dartmouth Review should make those people Untouchables.
Quote from: upprdeckI know its a big deal.. its a big deal because its part of the cost plan of doing and providing the research over the life of a grant
8 million isnt make or break in one year.. it adds up over time.
Quote from: Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Ilinois, 1896-1969A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckI know its a big deal.. its a big deal because its part of the cost plan of doing and providing the research over the life of a grant
8 million isnt make or break in one year.. it adds up over time.
Quote from: Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Ilinois, 1896-1969A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money.
The Trump administration froze over 1bn of research funding btw. The 8m, which Cornell is challenging, is separate from the 1bn.
except they didnt really freeze 8 billion
they froze grants that totalled some number.
but many of those grants are for money that was already spent.
any nothing at cornell has really been frozen yet, its more of a threat at this point.
Quote from: upprdeckexcept they didnt really freeze 8 billion
they froze grants that totalled some number.
but many of those grants are for money that was already spent.
any nothing at cornell has really been frozen yet, its more of a threat at this point.
They froze 1bn, not 8bn. See this article:
https://ithacavoice.org/2025/04/cornell-further-details-federal-stop-work-orders-on-defense-cancer-research/
The funds are frozen for 90 days.
So i have a grant for 10 million . the grant is over 5 yrs.
Most grants do now pay out in any set way
You can spend 9 million in yr 1 on materials and the rest for labor over 5 yrs.
Much like many things this president has said. Don't believe all the numbers
Sure a 10 million grant was paused. Doens't mean it wasn't spent.
Pausing work vs freezing funds also means different things on how it pays out.
https://nypost.com/2025/04/20/us-news/cornell-ripped-for-inviting-kehlani-to-perform-on-campus/
The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
Isn't that Slope Day? I'd say it's more on the planning committee than the administration. Then again, I was never involved in that work so maybe the admin has more of a say than I think.
Quote from: IcebergIsn't that Slope Day? I'd say it's more on the planning committee than the administration. Then again, I was never involved in that work so maybe the admin has more of a say than I think.
It is, the president was quoted saying something along the lines of the administration did not know she was controversial until it was too late.
I'm against her coming simply because I've never heard of her and I don't think it'll be a fun concert but in an age where every celebrity feels the need to express their political views online good luck finding someone that neither side hates.
In my inbox this morning -
Livestream with President Michael I. Kotlikoff
Monday, April 21, 11:30 - 12:15 p.m. EDT
Don't forget: Tune in today to hear directly from President Kotlikoff! He'll share insights into managing today's challenging higher education environment.
Should be interesting!
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I don't know if it will be streamed later, but if it is, it's well worth watching. My first takeaway is that Mike Kotlikoff is the right person to be leading our university at this time.
He addressed Slope Day right out of the box. He mentioned that Kehlani's social media posts were abhorrent. Cancelling the event was considered, but to do so would have created a division between those who would be understandably offended by her presence and those who wanted to hear her perform. The administration reviewed her performance at Northwestern, it went off without incident and no politics were involved. The university rewrote her contract to specify cancelling her remuneration should she make political references. He mentioned that the campus has been relatively normal and the Jewish students that he's spoken with agree. He apparently has coffee with groups of students on a regular basis. He is concerned that the NY Post article could discourage Jewish students from matriculating, although I can't imagine future Cornellians reading that rag.
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Quote from: George64I don't know if it will be streamed later, but if it is, it's well worth watching. My first takeaway is that Mike Kotlikoff is the right person to be leading our university at this time.
He addressed Slope Day right out of the box. He mentioned that Kehlani's social media posts were abhorrent. Cancelling the event was considered, but to do so would have created a division between those who would be understandably offended by her presence and those who wanted to hear her perform. The administration reviewed her performance at Northwestern, it went off without incident and no politics were involved. The university rewrote her contract to specify cancelling her remuneration should she make political references. He mentioned that the campus has been relatively normal and the Jewish students that he's spoken with agree. He apparently has coffee with groups of students on a regular basis. He is concerned that the NY Post article could discourage Jewish students from matriculating, although I can't imagine future Cornellians reading that rag.
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Musicians hold all sorts of stupid views and unless those views are incorporated into their performance, which is not the case here, it would be silly to disinvite them based on those views. The downside of allowing this musician (whom I had honestly never heard of in my entire life) to perform is that it puts Cornell in the crosshairs of the Trump administration because conservative media is running this story. The idea that the campus is unsafe or that kids might make decisions on where to attend school based off a slope day performer seems to me like it's blowing this way out of proportion. Again, I don't know anything about this musician or their views, they could be completely moronic for all I know—I just don't think anybody cares beyond feigned outrage in conservative media.
Quote from: George64He mentioned that the campus has been relatively normal and the Jewish students that he's spoken with agree. He apparently has coffee with groups of students on a regular basis. He is concerned that the NY Post article could discourage Jewish students from matriculating, although I can't imagine future Cornellians reading that rag.
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I'm willing to bet that Cornell will have a higher yield from this year's admits and Columbia will suffer a lower yield.
Kotlikoff isn't a Frank Rhodes, or even David Skorton, but more a Dale Corson - the right person for the time. He mentioned that he and his wife regularly attend men's and women's basketball, as well as wrestling, track and field, hockey, lacrosse, etc. No mention of football, that I recall - that would be a bridge too far. Hopefully, that will change. He also noted that the venue for the Heps will change, as they will need to be held at a facility with a banked track, so Barton Hall will no longer do.
Quote from: underskillhttps://nypost.com/2025/04/20/us-news/cornell-ripped-for-inviting-kehlani-to-perform-on-campus/
The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
as a jew imo it does me no favors to conflate opposition to israeli state action with antisemitism
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: underskillhttps://nypost.com/2025/04/20/us-news/cornell-ripped-for-inviting-kehlani-to-perform-on-campus/
The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
as a jew imo it does me no favors to conflate opposition to israeli state action with antisemitism
Agreed. One can be against the
current Israeli government's policies, yet support the continued existence of the state of Israel and certainly not be antisemitic. Going back to my undergraduate years, opposing the Vietnam war did not make one anti-American, although "America, love it or leave it" was a common refrain.
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Quote from: ugarteQuote from: underskillhttps://nypost.com/2025/04/20/us-news/cornell-ripped-for-inviting-kehlani-to-perform-on-campus/
The school really makes me ashamed of it sometimes.
as a jew imo it does me no favors to conflate opposition to israeli state action with antisemitism
+1
Kehlani cancelled for slope day
Quote from: chimpfoodKehlani cancelled for slope day
Just got the email. Would post it, but I keep getting this:
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I wonder how quickly they get someone else given the tight turnaround. I'm sure they had other options but as I said, I had no involvement in that group, so it may be harder than I think
April 23, 2025
Dear Cornellians,
Slope Day is a cherished tradition at Cornell — a time for our community to come together to celebrate the end of classes. For decades, student leaders have taken the helm in organizing this event, hiring performers they hope will appeal to the student body.
Unfortunately, although it was not the intention, the selection of Kehlani as this year's headliner has injected division and discord into Slope Day. For that reason, I am rescinding Kehlani's invitation and expect a new lineup for a great 2025 Slope Day to be announced shortly.
In the days since Kehlani was announced, I have heard grave concerns from our community that many are angry, hurt, and confused that Slope Day would feature a performer who has espoused antisemitic, anti-Israel sentiments in performances, videos, and on social media. While any artist has the right in our country to express hateful views, Slope Day is about uniting our community, not dividing it.
I have spent the last few days talking privately with many students about Slope Day, and I appreciate the candor they shared. I also spoke with the student Slope Day Programming Board, who agree that this selection has compromised what is meant to be an inclusive event. Going forward, we will work together to revise the process for researching and selecting performers for this important annual event.
I understand that my decision will be celebrated by some and criticized by others. I believe it is the right thing to do and the decision I must make to ensure community and safety at this high-profile event that reaches the entire campus. Cornell is an institution where "any person can find instruction in any study," and where every person should feel included at the signature social event of the year.
I look forward to celebrating Slope Day together with all of you.
Sincerely,
Michael I. Kotlikoff
President
Damned if ya do...damned if ya don't.
You people are all ridiculous. This is someone who wrote "DISMANTLE ISRAEL. ERADICATE ZIONISM" in the aftermath of October 7th. She called zionists the "scum of the earth." The vast majority of Jews are zionists.
There's a big difference between a group bringing a speaker to campus (in which case students who disagree or don't want to see someone calling for their destruction can simply stay home), and putting this person on the stage for Slope Day (where students can do the same thing, except that completely undermines the nature of the event itself, unlike in the former scenario).
If I were on campus, I would have left Slope Day before she came on, and that would have been a shame. There are countless other performers. The blame is on the committee for not doing basic vetting (or for completely ignoring the issue, which is worse) and the administration for rubber-stamping.
Quote from: LGR14The vast majority of Jews are zionists.
citation fucking needed
Start with about 45% of the world's Jews live in Israel
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: LGR14The vast majority of Jews are zionists.
citation fucking needed
We'd all be dead otherwise by now.
Before this goes any further, you are all going to need to specify what you mean by "Zionism"
Quote from: BearLoverBefore this goes any further, you are all going to need to specify what you mean by "Zionism"
The belief in the right of Jews to have self-determination in Israel.
Well, it was just a matter of time! According to the Cornell Daily Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/dyson-to-be-renamed-donald-j-trump-school-of-business-excellence-in-business), Kotlikoff folds. "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money," channeling Everitt Dirksen.
Both sides have sociopathic leaders who long ago decided the only way out is genocide. Now it's a race. If you accept that axiom, all following actions by both make sense.
All well and good. Just don't pretend either side's leaders are any different. The way to peace, short of mass death, is each side's population of humans rises up and takes out the ghouls at the top of their own ticket, with alacrity.
Quote from: George64Well, it was just a matter of time! According to the Cornell Daily Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/dyson-to-be-renamed-donald-j-trump-school-of-business-excellence-in-business), Kotlikoff folds. "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money," channeling Everitt Dirksen.
Please tell me you guys understand what satire is.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Well, it was just a matter of time! According to the Cornell Daily Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/dyson-to-be-renamed-donald-j-trump-school-of-business-excellence-in-business), Kotlikoff folds. "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money," channeling Everitt Dirksen.
Please tell me you guys understand what satire is.
So they switched the joke issue to 4/20. That works.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Well, it was just a matter of time! According to the Cornell Daily Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/dyson-to-be-renamed-donald-j-trump-school-of-business-excellence-in-business), Kotlikoff folds. "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money," channeling Everitt Dirksen.
Please tell me you guys understand what satire is.
I was a math major, but I still understand satire. But for those who don't, The Sun offered a disclaimer — "Editor's Note: 4/20 content is a part of The Sun's joke issue and contains exaggerated and factually inaccurate information."
I shared this story with a young friend and he replied — "Back in our years, the parody came out on the Friday of Fall Weekend. I remember my freshman year's issue well because none of us on the floor knew it was coming and that year, November 1965, the banner headline was that all student draft deferments were being cancelled, for the obvious reason. That morning, starting at about 7:00, people were lined up in the hallways to use the telephone to call home." There was no disclaimer, so it was genuinely scary. For those of you who never knew life without mobile phones, in mercifully-gone University Halls, there was only one wall-mounted phone in each corridor!
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Quote from: George64Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Well, it was just a matter of time! According to the Cornell Daily Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/dyson-to-be-renamed-donald-j-trump-school-of-business-excellence-in-business), Kotlikoff folds. "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money," channeling Everitt Dirksen.
Please tell me you guys understand what satire is.
I was a math major, but I still understand satire. But for those who don't, The Sun offered a disclaimer — "Editor's Note: 4/20 content is a part of The Sun's joke issue and contains exaggerated and factually inaccurate information."
I shared this story with a young friend and he replied — "Back in our years, the parody came out on the Friday of Fall Weekend. I remember my freshman year's issue well because none of us on the floor knew it was coming and that year, November 1965, the banner headline was that all student draft deferments were being cancelled, for the obvious reason. That morning, starting at about 7:00, people were lined up in the hallways to use the telephone to call home." There was no disclaimer, so it was genuinely scary. For those of you who never knew life without mobile phones, in mercifully-gone University Halls, there was only one wall-mounted phone in each corridor!
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War of the Worlds-esque. Wow.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64November 1965, the banner headline was that all student draft deferments were being cancelled, for the obvious reason. That morning, starting at about 7:00, people were lined up in the hallways to use the telephone to call home."
War of the Worlds-esque. Wow.
Took me awhile to get this. I first thought of the Wells novel, not the radio broadcast.
Quote from: stereaxWar of the Worlds-esque. Wow.
Fun fact: there is no evidence the War of the Worlds caused a panic. It is a classic urban legend.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxWar of the Worlds-esque. Wow.
Fun fact: there is no evidence the War of the Worlds caused a panic. It is a classic urban legend.
Wikipedia (I know) says there was definitively SOME unrest and worry, but that it was also likely played up by the newspapers.
New York Times, October 31, 1938 (https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1938/10/31/issue.html?auth=login-smartlock)
Quote from: George64In my inbox this morning -
Livestream with President Michael I. Kotlikoff
Monday, April 21, 11:30 - 12:15 p.m. EDT
Don't forget: Tune in today to hear directly from President Kotlikoff! He'll share insights into managing today's challenging higher education environment.
Should be interesting!
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Now streaming on vimeo (https://vimeo.com/1077405831/7fa54c2dc5?share=copy&utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&user_id=1588308&utm_campaign=&program=&segment=×tamp=)
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Quote from: George64The Trump administration has frozen more than $1 billion in funding for Cornell and $790 million for Northwestern amid civil rights investigations into both schools, two administration officials said.
The funding pause involves mostly grants and contracts with the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education and Health and Human Services, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the unannounced decision.
Interesting article in today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/04/30/us/university-funding-research.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare),
Where Federal Dollars Flow to Universities Around the Country. Cornell is highlighted in one of the charts. Interesting how much of Johns Hopkins research budget comes from federal funding - 87 percent, compared to 49 percent for Cornell. Another interesting comparison - Hopkins lacrosse team is currently 6-8, and 0-5 in the Big 10, while Cornell is 12-1. Think Milliman's days are numbered?
Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Another interesting comparison - Hopkins lacrosse team is currently 6-8, and 0-5 in the Big 10, while Cornell is 12-1. Think Milliman's days are numbered?
He reached for the brass ring and quite possibly fell off the horse instead.
This ticket (https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/134-the-ted-conference/) good to redeem the next ten years of puncture snark I would otherwise have felt the need to post here. I think we can all thank the author.
Since apparently this timeline could even get worse, does the campus ever have India v Pakistan protests?
Per Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/major-universities-sue-block-trump-cuts-nsf-research-funding-2025-05-06/), Cornell and other major universities sue to block cuts in indirect costs for NSF funded research.
Quote from: TrotskySince apparently this timeline could even get worse, does the campus ever have India v Pakistan protests?
Not that I know of.
Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/04/cornell-further-details-federal-stop-work-orders-on-defense-cancer-research/) with more details on stop-work orders for cancer and defense research.
you would think if we join forces the board could buy this and people would have a place to stay when they come in for hockey games.
house for sale (https://www.reddit.com/r/zillowgonewild/comments/1kp32x1/cornell_university_presidents_is_up_for_sale/?share_id=szlwmHXbhDxMbHr7Wdqjx&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Quote from: upprdeckyou would think if we join forces the board could buy this and people would have a place to stay when they come in for hockey games.
house for sale (https://www.reddit.com/r/zillowgonewild/comments/1kp32x1/cornell_university_presidents_is_up_for_sale/?share_id=szlwmHXbhDxMbHr7Wdqjx&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Am I mistaken, or is that where Charlie Moore invited the band over when he became AD?
Quote from: upprdeckyou would think if we join forces the board could buy this and people would have a place to stay when they come in for hockey games.
house for sale (https://www.reddit.com/r/zillowgonewild/comments/1kp32x1/cornell_university_presidents_is_up_for_sale/?share_id=szlwmHXbhDxMbHr7Wdqjx&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
IIRC, Cornell bought the house in the 1950's when Malott's wife refused to live in the A.D. White house on-campus. It seems to me that Corson continued to live in his own house. Maybe Kotlikoff has no interest in moving, either, but surely there will be another president after him and it seems a grand place for social functions.
Not sure if it's correct but
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cornell/comments/1knh24o/cornell_presidents_house_in_cayuga_heights_is_up/
QuoteEdmund Ezra Day was the last president to live in the A.D. White House on central campus. For his successor, Deane Malott, the university rented, renovated, and eventually purchased 205 Oak Hill Road. He was given this house for life as a retirement gift, and the university purchased the 511 Cayuga Heights Road property in 1963 for James Perkins—one theory being that this property was farther away from campus and therefore more difficult for students to stage protests at.
Dale Corson chose not to move in after Perkins' resignation, so Cornell sold it. They purchased 603 Cayuga Heights Road for Frank Rhodes, which too became a retirement gift. With a "special" alumni gift, the university then re-purchased Robin Hill for Hunter Rawlings in 1995, after which Lehman, Skorton, and Pollock also took residence.
Quote from: nyc94Not sure if it's correct but
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cornell/comments/1knh24o/cornell_presidents_house_in_cayuga_heights_is_up/
QuoteEdmund Ezra Day was the last president to live in the A.D. White House on central campus. For his successor, Deane Malott, the university rented, renovated, and eventually purchased 205 Oak Hill Road. He was given this house for life as a retirement gift, and the university purchased the 511 Cayuga Heights Road property in 1963 for James Perkins—one theory being that this property was farther away from campus and therefore more difficult for students to stage protests at.
Dale Corson chose not to move in after Perkins' resignation, so Cornell sold it. They purchased 603 Cayuga Heights Road for Frank Rhodes, which too became a retirement gift. With a "special" alumni gift, the university then re-purchased Robin Hill for Hunter Rawlings in 1995, after which Lehman, Skorton, and Pollock also took residence.
I think that's right. I only had part of the story in my mind. https://www.ithaca.com/news/ithaca/cornell-lists-historic-president-s-house-for-sale-at-2-5-million/article_55d7359a-f67c-4222-ba4b-aa595e09db06.html https://www.cayugaheightshistory.org/robin-hill-pdf.html
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: upprdeckyou would think if we join forces the board could buy this and people would have a place to stay when they come in for hockey games.
house for sale (https://www.reddit.com/r/zillowgonewild/comments/1kp32x1/cornell_university_presidents_is_up_for_sale/?share_id=szlwmHXbhDxMbHr7Wdqjx&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Am I mistaken, or is that where Charlie Moore invited the band over when he became AD?
It looks like where they invited the band and hosted "hats off for hunter" to recognize his (first) retirement in 2003.
Cornell only mentioned in a table in this NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/20/us/universities-endowment-tax-republicans.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ik8.e3Ip.gq11_WRiYkBE&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) article. It appears that our large enrollment may soften the impact from the proposed endowment tax. At the moment, it's progressive tax based on endowment per student.
Quote from: HeafDogQuote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckHarvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/breaking-cornell-sues-doe-following-1-billion-funding-freeze)
Good. :-( I would rather we go flat broke, and our beloved alma mater turn into a ghost town, than buckle to these clowns.
I'm not sure how this relates to Cornell's own legal action but there was a lot of press recently about how Cornell and Columbia were the only Ivies that didn't officially support Harvard's legal action. I'll leave legal terms like "Amicus Brief" to the experts.
Crimson article on who is supporting Harvard[/url
If Cornell is not offering support due to its own separate legal action then that is one thing. But I hope we are not cowering in fear.
(BTW the formatting issues with this post are due to eLynah processing of a URL insertion.) (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/6/11/harvard-funding-amici/)
Here is the administration's response to my April 17 email to Kotlikoff:
Thank you for your message to President Kotlikoff, which I am sharing with leadership. President Kotlikoff deeply appreciates the engagement of our community. I wanted to share information about how Cornell is responding to recent changes in the federal and higher education landscapes.
Cornell is actively seeking details from federal officials regarding research funding freezes reported in the news media. While the university has not received any official notice confirming these cuts or the rationale behind them, we have experienced substantial federal research funding loss across every campus and within every college and school. The research at risk is vital to public health and medicine, military readiness and national security, and a range of U.S. industries.
We are responding thoughtfully and strategically – including legal, communications and policy-level engagement to reverse these cuts and protect our core mission. When federal agencies imposed funding cuts to research activities sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Energy, Cornell swiftly stepped forward, along with higher education groups and other leading research universities, to challenge these actions in court.
In April, President Kotlikoff joined more than 550 leaders and officials from other institutions to sign on to a letter from the American Association of Colleges & Universities calling for constructive engagement between higher education and government. Cornell leadership continues to be guided by our foundational commitment to "... any person ... any study" and our institutional principles.
Alongside peer institutions, we're collectively showcasing the tangible, everyday impact of Cornell's research to our state, nation, and world, and the value of colleges and universities to educating our nation's citizens and workers. We hope you can join us by sharing this website with your fellow alumni and networks.
Sincerely,
Sarah Evans
Sarah Evans
Staff Writer & Correspondence Manager
Offices of the President and Provost
Cornell University
.
Quote from: George64Here is the administration's response to my April 17 email to Kotlikoff:
Thank you for your message to President Kotlikoff, which I am sharing with leadership. President Kotlikoff deeply appreciates the engagement of our community. I wanted to share information about how Cornell is responding to recent changes in the federal and higher education landscapes.
Cornell is actively seeking details from federal officials regarding research funding freezes reported in the news media. While the university has not received any official notice confirming these cuts or the rationale behind them, we have experienced substantial federal research funding loss across every campus and within every college and school. The research at risk is vital to public health and medicine, military readiness and national security, and a range of U.S. industries.
We are responding thoughtfully and strategically – including legal, communications and policy-level engagement to reverse these cuts and protect our core mission. When federal agencies imposed funding cuts to research activities sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Energy, Cornell swiftly stepped forward, along with higher education groups and other leading research universities, to challenge these actions in court.
In April, President Kotlikoff joined more than 550 leaders and officials from other institutions to sign on to a letter from the American Association of Colleges & Universities calling for constructive engagement between higher education and government. Cornell leadership continues to be guided by our foundational commitment to "... any person ... any study" and our institutional principles.
Alongside peer institutions, we're collectively showcasing the tangible, everyday impact of Cornell's research to our state, nation, and world, and the value of colleges and universities to educating our nation's citizens and workers. We hope you can join us by sharing this website with your fellow alumni and networks.
Sincerely,
Sarah Evans
Sarah Evans
Staff Writer & Correspondence Manager
Offices of the President and Provost
Cornell University
You might also want to read President Kotlikoff's State of the University (https://president.cornell.edu/speeches-writings/2025-state-of-the-university-address/) address.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: HeafDogQuote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckHarvard gonna play hardball over this stuff they are trying to pull.
so is cornell (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/04/breaking-cornell-sues-doe-following-1-billion-funding-freeze)
Good. :-( I would rather we go flat broke, and our beloved alma mater turn into a ghost town, than buckle to these clowns.
I'm not sure how this relates to Cornell's own legal action but there was a lot of press recently about how Cornell and Columbia were the only Ivies that didn't officially support Harvard's legal action. I'll leave legal terms like "Amicus Brief" to the experts.
Crimson article on who is supporting Harvard (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/6/11/harvard-funding-amici/)
If Cornell is not offering support due to its own separate legal action then that is one thing. But I hope we are not cowering in fear.
(BTW the formatting issues with this post are due to eLynah processing of a URL insertion.)
Roy, bud, you forgot this: ]
Friday's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/us/tuition-hikes-layoffs-universities.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): "And in a statement on Wednesday ominously titled "a message on financial austerity (https://statements.cornell.edu/2025/20250618-financial-austerity.cfm)," leaders at Cornell, which also has a substantial endowment, described a dire landscape."
This from the Ithaca Voice. Says Cornell headcount [one assumes this to mean to employees not stoners] grew wildly the last 3-4 years. Maybe Cornell did not replace some departed staff during the Covid years and then overdid the hiring:
Quote from: Matt Butler, EIC, The Ithaca VoiceCornell President Michael Kotlikoff and other university leaders delivered the news via a campus-wide email Wednesday [6/18/25] afternoon.
The letter announced the initiation of a "comprehensive review of programs and headcount across the university," caused by a 15% growth in the workforce since 2021 that has, in Kotlikoff's words, "greatly outpac[ed] our revenue."
https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/layoffs-further-cuts-likely-at-cornell-as-federal-scrutiny-continues/
Our 15th president, in addition to being a solid hoops fan, is master of the dry understatement.
Quote from: billhowardThis from the Ithaca Voice. Says Cornell headcount [one assumes this to mean to employees not stoners] grew wildly the last 3-4 years. Maybe Cornell did not replace some departed staff during the Covid years and then overdid the hiring:
Quote from: Matt Butler, EIC, The Ithaca VoiceCornell President Michael Kotlikoff and other university leaders delivered the news via a campus-wide email Wednesday [6/18/25] afternoon.
The letter announced the initiation of a "comprehensive review of programs and headcount across the university," caused by a 15% growth in the workforce since 2021 that has, in Kotlikoff's words, "greatly outpac[ed] our revenue."
https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/layoffs-further-cuts-likely-at-cornell-as-federal-scrutiny-continues/
Our 15th president, in addition to being a solid hoops fan, is master of the dry understatement.
No doubt they overhired like many other private organizations within and outside of the higher education sector. They're just a bit late in reducing headcount because it looks much worse when a university does it compared to a Deloitte or a Meta.
I think they forget that the head count has been down and they are trying to fill lines that were in the budget but have been empty.
When headcount is relative to the Covid years then maybe there was some extra positions to fill. But a little part of us all suspects academia doesn't run as lean as, say, Google.
Finally, some good news! Will Professor Steve Strogatz (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) do for math what Carl Sagan did for science?
Quote from: George64Finally, some good news! Will Professor Steve Strogatz (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) do for math what Carl Sagan did for science?
Can't access the Times, but Strogatz co-authored a brilliant piece of instructional software for differential equations that was sold by Addison-Wesley back in the 90s.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Finally, some good news! Will Professor Steve Strogatz (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) do for math what Carl Sagan did for science?
Can't access the Times, but Strogatz co-authored a brilliant piece of instructional software for differential equations that was sold by Addison-Wesley back in the 90s.
Try archivebuttons.com (https://www.archivebuttons.com/articles?article=https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share): [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare]
Quote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Finally, some good news! Will Professor Steve Strogatz (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) do for math what Carl Sagan did for science?
Can't access the Times, but Strogatz co-authored a brilliant piece of instructional software for differential equations that was sold by Addison-Wesley back in the 90s.
Try archivebuttons.com (https://www.archivebuttons.com/articles?article=https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share): [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare]
Thanks, George. Read the piece today in the good old, paper edition.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Finally, some good news! Will Professor Steve Strogatz (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) do for math what Carl Sagan did for science?
Can't access the Times, but Strogatz co-authored a brilliant piece of instructional software for differential equations that was sold by Addison-Wesley back in the 90s.
Was that "IDE"? That fucking
rocked.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Finally, some good news! Will Professor Steve Strogatz (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) do for math what Carl Sagan did for science?
Can't access the Times, but Strogatz co-authored a brilliant piece of instructional software for differential equations that was sold by Addison-Wesley back in the 90s.
Was that "IDE"? That fucking rocked.
Yep. As good an example of instructional software as I've seen, and I've seen many hundreds. Review here:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00029890.1998.12004947
Quote from: George64Here is the administration's response to my April 17 email to Kotlikoff:
Thank you for your message to President Kotlikoff, which I am sharing with leadership. President Kotlikoff deeply appreciates the engagement of our community. I wanted to share information about how Cornell is responding to recent changes in the federal and higher education landscapes.
Cornell is actively seeking details from federal officials regarding research funding freezes reported in the news media. While the university has not received any official notice confirming these cuts or the rationale behind them, we have experienced substantial federal research funding loss across every campus and within every college and school. The research at risk is vital to public health and medicine, military readiness and national security, and a range of U.S. industries.
We are responding thoughtfully and strategically – including legal, communications and policy-level engagement to reverse these cuts and protect our core mission. When federal agencies imposed funding cuts to research activities sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Energy, Cornell swiftly stepped forward, along with higher education groups and other leading research universities, to challenge these actions in court.
In April, President Kotlikoff joined more than 550 leaders and officials from other institutions to sign on to a letter from the American Association of Colleges & Universities calling for constructive engagement between higher education and government. Cornell leadership continues to be guided by our foundational commitment to "... any person ... any study" and our institutional principles.
Alongside peer institutions, we're collectively showcasing the tangible, everyday impact of Cornell's research to our state, nation, and world, and the value of colleges and universities to educating our nation's citizens and workers. We hope you can join us by sharing this website with your fellow alumni and networks.
Sincerely,
Sarah Evans
Sarah Evans
Staff Writer & Correspondence Manager
Offices of the President and Provost
Cornell University
.
Cornell has really amped up commentary on research activities on its website and asked for help (https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellmatters/) in reaching elected officials. So far, the response has been very disappointing, 3260 out of an alumni base of about a quarter million! Ultimately, a reduction in research income will filter down to things that really matter, like financial aid for student-athletes. Take a few minutes this weekend and contact your elected representatives. Even, if you didn't go to Cornell, your school may be next.
[https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellmatters/]
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Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Finally, some good news! Will Professor Steve Strogatz (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/insider/math-revealed.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) do for math what Carl Sagan did for science?
Can't access the Times, but Strogatz co-authored a brilliant piece of instructional software for differential equations that was sold by Addison-Wesley back in the 90s.
I read a few of his Times columns years ago, they made some fairly complex stuff readily accessible.
Had I known about this software when I was in college my life might be very different, but I didn't and neither did the guy teaching math 213 at the time. I nearly flunked the class and had to alter my major, and it all worked out for the best.
Maybe we shouldn't have tied the solvency of our higher education apparatus to political processes subject to the whims of voters who topped out intellectually in the 4th grade.
Today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/science/james-b-maas-dead.html?unlocked_article_code=1.VU8.WGEy.8wgKFM-B7Yju&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Professor Jim Maas, dead at 86. He was a TA when I took Psych 101. Awhile after he became a professor, his course was moved to Bailey Hall as it was so popular. He taught an estimated 65,000 students and allegedly sexually harassed several coeds.
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Quote from: George64Today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/science/james-b-maas-dead.html?unlocked_article_code=1.VU8.WGEy.8wgKFM-B7Yju&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Professor Jim Maas, dead at 86. He was a TA when I took Psych 101. Awhile after he became a professor, his course was moved to Bailey Hall as it was so popular. He taught an estimated 65,000 students and allegedly sexually harassed several coeds.
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I took the course from him in fall '78 (in Bailey). Fun course.
Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Here is the administration's response to my April 17 email to Kotlikoff:
Thank you for your message to President Kotlikoff, which I am sharing with leadership. President Kotlikoff deeply appreciates the engagement of our community. I wanted to share information about how Cornell is responding to recent changes in the federal and higher education landscapes.
Cornell is actively seeking details from federal officials regarding research funding freezes reported in the news media. While the university has not received any official notice confirming these cuts or the rationale behind them, we have experienced substantial federal research funding loss across every campus and within every college and school. The research at risk is vital to public health and medicine, military readiness and national security, and a range of U.S. industries.
We are responding thoughtfully and strategically – including legal, communications and policy-level engagement to reverse these cuts and protect our core mission. When federal agencies imposed funding cuts to research activities sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Energy, Cornell swiftly stepped forward, along with higher education groups and other leading research universities, to challenge these actions in court.
In April, President Kotlikoff joined more than 550 leaders and officials from other institutions to sign on to a letter from the American Association of Colleges & Universities calling for constructive engagement between higher education and government. Cornell leadership continues to be guided by our foundational commitment to "... any person ... any study" and our institutional principles.
Alongside peer institutions, we're collectively showcasing the tangible, everyday impact of Cornell's research to our state, nation, and world, and the value of colleges and universities to educating our nation's citizens and workers. We hope you can join us by sharing this website with your fellow alumni and networks.
Sincerely,
Sarah Evans
Sarah Evans
Staff Writer & Correspondence Manager
Offices of the President and Provost
Cornell University
.
Cornell has really amped up commentary on research activities on its website and asked for help (https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellmatters/) in reaching elected officials. So far, the response has been very disappointing, 3260 out of an alumni base of about a quarter million! Ultimately, a reduction in research income will filter down to things that really matter, like financial aid for student-athletes. Take a few minutes this weekend and contact your elected representatives. Even, if you didn't go to Cornell, your school may be next.
[https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellmatters/]
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Today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/nyregion/columbia-university-trump-deal-antisemitism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V08.1T0r.qsETv-pAVLym&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Mostly about Columbia, but Cornell is mentioned and may still be in the administration's crosshairs. In saner times, wasn't this called extortion?
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Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Here is the administration's response to my April 17 email to Kotlikoff:
Thank you for your message to President Kotlikoff, which I am sharing with leadership. President Kotlikoff deeply appreciates the engagement of our community. I wanted to share information about how Cornell is responding to recent changes in the federal and higher education landscapes.
Cornell is actively seeking details from federal officials regarding research funding freezes reported in the news media. While the university has not received any official notice confirming these cuts or the rationale behind them, we have experienced substantial federal research funding loss across every campus and within every college and school. The research at risk is vital to public health and medicine, military readiness and national security, and a range of U.S. industries.
We are responding thoughtfully and strategically – including legal, communications and policy-level engagement to reverse these cuts and protect our core mission. When federal agencies imposed funding cuts to research activities sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Energy, Cornell swiftly stepped forward, along with higher education groups and other leading research universities, to challenge these actions in court.
In April, President Kotlikoff joined more than 550 leaders and officials from other institutions to sign on to a letter from the American Association of Colleges & Universities calling for constructive engagement between higher education and government. Cornell leadership continues to be guided by our foundational commitment to "... any person ... any study" and our institutional principles.
Alongside peer institutions, we're collectively showcasing the tangible, everyday impact of Cornell's research to our state, nation, and world, and the value of colleges and universities to educating our nation's citizens and workers. We hope you can join us by sharing this website with your fellow alumni and networks.
Sincerely,
Sarah Evans
Sarah Evans
Staff Writer & Correspondence Manager
Offices of the President and Provost
Cornell University
.
Cornell has really amped up commentary on research activities on its website and asked for help (https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellmatters/) in reaching elected officials. So far, the response has been very disappointing, 3260 out of an alumni base of about a quarter million! Ultimately, a reduction in research income will filter down to things that really matter, like financial aid for student-athletes. Take a few minutes this weekend and contact your elected representatives. Even, if you didn't go to Cornell, your school may be next.
[https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellmatters/]
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Today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/nyregion/columbia-university-trump-deal-antisemitism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V08.1T0r.qsETv-pAVLym&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Mostly about Columbia, but Cornell is mentioned and may still be in the administration's crosshairs. In saner times, wasn't this called extortion?
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Shakedowns, extortions, profiting directly off of the office. Nobody seems to care.
NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
Quote from: George64Go Harvard!
A sentiment only found in the JSID forum.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: George64Go Harvard!
A sentiment only found in the JSID forum.
Japanese Society for Investigative Dermatology, Journal of Spatial Innovation Development, Journal of the Society for Information Display???
Duh, John Spencer is Dead! Agreed, anywhere else and I'd be banned from eLynah. BTW, who was the late John Spencer?
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Quote from: George64Quote from: TimVQuote from: George64Go Harvard!
A sentiment only found in the JSID forum.
Japanese Society for Investigative Dermatology, Journal of Spatial Innovation Development, Journal of the Society for Information Display???
Duh, John Spencer is Dead! Agreed, anywhere else and I'd be banned from eLynah. BTW, who was the late John Spencer?
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John Spencer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Spencer_(actor))
Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
Harvard will soon be forced to settle with the Trump administration as well. Hopefully Cornell's penalty isn't close to this bad.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: George64Quote from: TimVQuote from: George64Go Harvard!
A sentiment only found in the JSID forum.
Japanese Society for Investigative Dermatology, Journal of Spatial Innovation Development, Journal of the Society for Information Display???
Duh, John Spencer is Dead! Agreed, anywhere else and I'd be banned from eLynah. BTW, who was the late John Spencer?
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John Spencer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Spencer_(actor))
Thanks? If not for this link there would be no reason for me to waste a part of my life in search of Kim Carnes on "The Patty Duke Show".
Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
This sad episode underscores how reliant on government funding even the most well-endowed universities are to support their operations. The universities are not entirely blameless, as for too long they coddled those in academia who required complete obedience to a set of "norms" that were well outside the mainstream. But the Trumpians are acting in anything but good faith, as their longstanding agenda made no secret of their desire to upend the "elites" and they used the post October 7th chaos as a pretext to do just that.
Some of the stuff the Trump world is doing to the research universities is going to cost them a ton more in the long run.
Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
More in today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/trump-university-deal-penn-columbia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.Y62H.xXEYEmaKZbro&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare):
Columbia and Penn Made Trump Deals. More Universities Could Be Next. David Bateman, Associate Professor of Government, liberally quoted.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
More in today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/trump-university-deal-penn-columbia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.Y62H.xXEYEmaKZbro&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Columbia and Penn Made Trump Deals. More Universities Could Be Next. David Bateman, Associate Professor of Government, liberally quoted.
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I'm a complete idiot when it comes to these things, but I am a taxpayer. Where is all this shakedown money (including Paramount et al. bribes) going? "The government" or "The White House" is more vague than charges of "on campus antisemitism." Is there a bribery account of the presidential library fund that includes more than airplanes?
And I guess it's up to each institution as to where the extortion cash comes from. Endowment? Campus beautification allowance? Columbia hockey & lacrosse program budgets?
Alumni donations will be rethought.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: George64Quote from: TimVQuote from: George64Go Harvard!
A sentiment only found in the JSID forum.
Japanese Society for Investigative Dermatology, Journal of Spatial Innovation Development, Journal of the Society for Information Display???
Duh, John Spencer is Dead! Agreed, anywhere else and I'd be banned from eLynah. BTW, who was the late John Spencer?
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John Spencer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Spencer_(actor))
I always imagined it to be he of Blues Explosion fame.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: George64Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
More in today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/trump-university-deal-penn-columbia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.Y62H.xXEYEmaKZbro&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Columbia and Penn Made Trump Deals. More Universities Could Be Next. David Bateman, Associate Professor of Government, liberally quoted.
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I'm a complete idiot when it comes to these things, but I am a taxpayer. Where is all this shakedown money (including Paramount et al. bribes) going? "The government" or "The White House" is more vague than charges of "on campus antisemitism." Is there a bribery account of the presidential library fund that includes more than airplanes?
And I guess it's up to each institution as to where the extortion cash comes from. Endowment? Campus beautification allowance? Columbia hockey & lacrosse program budgets?
Alumni donations will be rethought.
Honorarium from the student fund. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBMARJiSJjo&ab_channel=EvanWilliams)
Quote from: RichHQuote from: George64Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
More in today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/trump-university-deal-penn-columbia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.Y62H.xXEYEmaKZbro&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Columbia and Penn Made Trump Deals. More Universities Could Be Next. David Bateman, Associate Professor of Government, liberally quoted.
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I'm a complete idiot when it comes to these things, but I am a taxpayer. Where is all this shakedown money (including Paramount et al. bribes) going? "The government" or "The White House" is more vague than charges of "on campus antisemitism." Is there a bribery account of the presidential library fund that includes more than airplanes?
And I guess it's up to each institution as to where the extortion cash comes from. Endowment? Campus beautification allowance? Columbia hockey & lacrosse program budgets?
Alumni donations will be rethought.
Sun suggests CU close to a Columbia style deal.
https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/07/cornell-reportedly-in-talks-with-trump-administration-to-reach-payment-deal-to-restore-federal-funding?fbclid=PAQ0xDSwLyJOJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABp6pbuqjCgrY2arjnrbau891ZxiCG2JICJiq1XscQsYMLMON_IP-b1gZR6V62_aem_Sr7NC7v9r1j6yoqozN2Wxg
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: RichHQuote from: George64Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
More in today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/trump-university-deal-penn-columbia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.Y62H.xXEYEmaKZbro&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Columbia and Penn Made Trump Deals. More Universities Could Be Next. David Bateman, Associate Professor of Government, liberally quoted.
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I'm a complete idiot when it comes to these things, but I am a taxpayer. Where is all this shakedown money (including Paramount et al. bribes) going? "The government" or "The White House" is more vague than charges of "on campus antisemitism." Is there a bribery account of the presidential library fund that includes more than airplanes?
And I guess it's up to each institution as to where the extortion cash comes from. Endowment? Campus beautification allowance? Columbia hockey & lacrosse program budgets?
Alumni donations will be rethought.
Sun suggests CU close to a Columbia style deal.
https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/07/cornell-reportedly-in-talks-with-trump-administration-to-reach-payment-deal-to-restore-federal-funding?fbclid=PAQ0xDSwLyJOJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABp6pbuqjCgrY2arjnrbau891ZxiCG2JICJiq1XscQsYMLMON_IP-b1gZR6V62_aem_Sr7NC7v9r1j6yoqozN2Wxg
What a shame. Bending the knee and handing over money to a bully. Can't believe the courts are allowing these shake downs.
pretty much the opp. of what people were told just this week on campus of what is going on.
Well I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I mean the fact is that Cornell doesn't have enough money to keep running properly if they don't get some funding back. Cornell is doing what is best for its students and that is totally logical because those are the people that pay to attend. Would it be nice to be in a financial spot where we wouldn't have to grovel for our money back? Sure. But would it make enough of a difference to the national political landscape if we decided to stand up for ourselves and not ask for funding back? I would say no, at least not enough of a difference to put the future of the university at risk. The only people really at fault here are the trump administration.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: RichHQuote from: George64Quote from: George64NY Times: Columbia capitulates (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/nyregion/columbia-trump-funding-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.1gV_.60SDZE7tfwba&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare). In PR-speak, they reached a negotiated settlement. Go Harvard!
More in today's NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/us/trump-university-deal-penn-columbia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.Y62H.xXEYEmaKZbro&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare): Columbia and Penn Made Trump Deals. More Universities Could Be Next. David Bateman, Associate Professor of Government, liberally quoted.
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I'm a complete idiot when it comes to these things, but I am a taxpayer. Where is all this shakedown money (including Paramount et al. bribes) going? "The government" or "The White House" is more vague than charges of "on campus antisemitism." Is there a bribery account of the presidential library fund that includes more than airplanes?
And I guess it's up to each institution as to where the extortion cash comes from. Endowment? Campus beautification allowance? Columbia hockey & lacrosse program budgets?
Alumni donations will be rethought.
Sun suggests CU close to a Columbia style deal.
https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/07/cornell-reportedly-in-talks-with-trump-administration-to-reach-payment-deal-to-restore-federal-funding?fbclid=PAQ0xDSwLyJOJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABp6pbuqjCgrY2arjnrbau891ZxiCG2JICJiq1XscQsYMLMON_IP-b1gZR6V62_aem_Sr7NC7v9r1j6yoqozN2Wxg
What a shame. Bending the knee and handing over money to a bully. Can't believe the courts are allowing these shake downs.
The shakedowns are an absolute joke but it's not the fault of the colleges for acquiescing. They have no choice. The government holds all the cards. The same Trump administration chose who sits on the courts so there will be no relief there.
Quote from: TrotskyWell I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I know you have to satisfy your quota of rants against the system, but you clearly don't understand the power dynamic here. Colleges have no choice. Research universities are reliant on government funding. Harvard, which is far richer and far more powerful than Cornell, tried resisting, realized they couldn't win, and now they are in a far worse position than if they had acquiesced from the start.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWell I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I know you have to satisfy your quota of rants against the system, but you clearly don't understand the power dynamic here. Colleges have no choice. Research universities are reliant on government funding. Harvard, which is far richer and far more powerful than Cornell, tried resisting, realized they couldn't win, and now they are in a far worse position than if they had acquiesced from the start.
I'm with Trotsky. They have a 10 plus billion dollar endowment, plus plus. Combined with other Ivy's and wealthy universities, they should tell Uncle Sam and Big Orange to get stuffed. Fucking cowards.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWell I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I know you have to satisfy your quota of rants against the system, but you clearly don't understand the power dynamic here. Colleges have no choice. Research universities are reliant on government funding. Harvard, which is far richer and far more powerful than Cornell, tried resisting, realized they couldn't win, and now they are in a far worse position than if they had acquiesced from the start.
Thank you, New York Times, but no.
They do have a choice. They are actively electing not to exercise it. It is policy, not a natural law.
A lot of people lost a lot of money opposing slavery. A lot of people lost a lot of money opposing segregation. The sensible argument by the comfortable center is always OH NOES! Don't directly oppose it; live to fight another day. So they trade other's rights for their comfort. That is how highly evil outcomes are always insulated within a democratic system. People themselves have the power of their convictions -- they go through hell to fight these thugs. But when you fold their will into institutions, those institutions' prime directive is self-preservation. Cornell wants to preserve Cornell. The world can burn if Day Hall survives.
If you don't stand for the marginalized, always, everywhere, then nobody is safe, ever, anywhere. 1860, 1940, 2020... apparently we have to relearn the lesson every 80 years that there is no compromising with these sociopathic fucks.
You either fight them now in the courts or later in your attic.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWell I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I know you have to satisfy your quota of rants against the system, but you clearly don't understand the power dynamic here. Colleges have no choice. Research universities are reliant on government funding. Harvard, which is far richer and far more powerful than Cornell, tried resisting, realized they couldn't win, and now they are in a far worse position than if they had acquiesced from the start.
I'm with Trotsky. They have a 10 plus billion dollar endowment, plus plus. Combined with other Ivy's and wealthy universities, they should tell Uncle Sam and Big Orange to get stuffed. Fucking cowards.
The endowment point is immaterial. The endowment does not go towards research funding nor would it be remotely enough to cover the lost funding even if it did.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWell I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I know you have to satisfy your quota of rants against the system, but you clearly don't understand the power dynamic here. Colleges have no choice. Research universities are reliant on government funding. Harvard, which is far richer and far more powerful than Cornell, tried resisting, realized they couldn't win, and now they are in a far worse position than if they had acquiesced from the start.
I think we need to define "far worse position" here. The schools that cave will pay a bribe and get their precious research dollars. And hand over their independence and soul. And then in six months get shaken down again. And again. Because it's never one time. Ask Columbia.
All while prospective students and current and future faculty who are leaders in their fields go elsewhere. And alumni donations dry up.
Sure standing up for yourself is hard. But sometimes that's what is needed.
Quote from: chimpfoodI mean the fact is that Cornell doesn't have enough money to keep running properly if they don't get some funding back. Cornell is doing what is best for its students and that is totally logical because those are the people that pay to attend. Would it be nice to be in a financial spot where we wouldn't have to grovel for our money back? Sure. But would it make enough of a difference to the national political landscape if we decided to stand up for ourselves and not ask for funding back? I would say no, at least not enough of a difference to put the future of the university at risk. The only people really at fault here are the trump administration.
lol if you think this is about the students. the students get turfed for dissenting!
Meanwhile, the Masters of the Universe are such responsible stewards of our endowments (https://x.com/davidsirota/status/1949871412040069369).
::cheer:: agreed Chris! Well said.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWell I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I know you have to satisfy your quota of rants against the system, but you clearly don't understand the power dynamic here. Colleges have no choice. Research universities are reliant on government funding. Harvard, which is far richer and far more powerful than Cornell, tried resisting, realized they couldn't win, and now they are in a far worse position than if they had acquiesced from the start.
I think we need to define "far worse position" here. The schools that cave will pay a bribe and get their precious research dollars. And hand over their independence and soul. And then in six months get shaken down again. And again. Because it's never one time. Ask Columbia.
All while prospective students and current and future faculty who are leaders in their fields go elsewhere. And alumni donations dry up.
Sure standing up for yourself is hard. But sometimes that's what is needed.
I think this is fantasyland. There are no colleges standing up for themselves. Harvard tried, then they realized they had no choice but to acquiesce. That is because they are reliant on the federal government to continue operating. The Trump administration killed Harvard's research grants, and then they killed Harvard's ability to enroll international students. Harvard cannot continue without research or foreign students and so they were forced to settle—now reported to be for over $500m, and amount that likely would have been much less had they played ball from the start. Not to mention the months of heartache and confusion this caused its students. That's what I mean by Harvard being in a "far worse position" by initially having chosen to resist.
So I don't understand your post. Who are these schools opposing Trump? To me it looks like every one of them will settle, because they have no choice.
To be clear, I think this is by far the worst presidential administration of my lifetime and it has irretrievably damaged every facet of our country, including academia. But people need to be realistic about where and how resisting is possible.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWell I for one am shocked, shocked that an entity run to generationally perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy has no problems sacrificing every core democratic and human value to suck up to fascists.
I mean, who would have ever guessed that would be the result of universities aligning with big business?
I know you have to satisfy your quota of rants against the system, but you clearly don't understand the power dynamic here. Colleges have no choice. Research universities are reliant on government funding. Harvard, which is far richer and far more powerful than Cornell, tried resisting, realized they couldn't win, and now they are in a far worse position than if they had acquiesced from the start.
I think we need to define "far worse position" here. The schools that cave will pay a bribe and get their precious research dollars. And hand over their independence and soul. And then in six months get shaken down again. And again. Because it's never one time. Ask Columbia.
All while prospective students and current and future faculty who are leaders in their fields go elsewhere. And alumni donations dry up.
Sure standing up for yourself is hard. But sometimes that's what is needed.
I think this is fantasyland. There are no colleges standing up for themselves. Harvard tried, then they realized they had no choice but to acquiesce. That is because they are reliant on the federal government to continue operating. The Trump administration killed Harvard's research grants, and then they killed Harvard's ability to enroll international students. Harvard cannot continue without research or foreign students and so they were forced to settle—now reported to be for over $500m, and amount that likely would have been much less had they played ball from the start. Not to mention the months of heartache and confusion this caused its students. That's what I mean by Harvard being in a "far worse position" by initially having chosen to resist.
So I don't understand your post. Who are these schools opposing Trump? To me it looks like every one of them will settle, because they have no choice.
To be clear, I think this is by far the worst presidential administration of my lifetime and it has irretrievably damaged every facet of our country, including academia. But people need to be realistic about where and how resisting is possible.
Yep, the universities have become dependent on federal dollars and have blissfully assumed they would be dealing with good faith actors in Washington in perpetuity. Of course that is no longer the case and the universities have no choice but to cave, as much as it might pain us to believe that.
The Face Eating Leopards leave us no choice. Just a bunch of nerds letting the bully take your lunch money. There's a Cornell, Harvard, Yale, Colombia whatever grad in every position of power- banking, law, government etc, country wide. Get your shit together. Or don't, I guess.
Quote from: The RancorThe Face Eating Leopards leave us no choice. Just a bunch of nerds letting the bully take your lunch money. There's a Cornell, Harvard, Yale, Colombia whatever grad in every position of power- banking, law, government etc, country wide. Get your shit together. Or don't, I guess.
And what do you propose these powerful Cornell grads do, exactly?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: The RancorThe Face Eating Leopards leave us no choice. Just a bunch of nerds letting the bully take your lunch money. There's a Cornell, Harvard, Yale, Colombia whatever grad in every position of power- banking, law, government etc, country wide. Get your shit together. Or don't, I guess.
And what do you propose these powerful Cornell grads do, exactly?
You'd better come up with something, you're getting outflanked by Liberty U and Oral Roberts grads.
Brown has settled and seems to be inviting future enforcement action if its admissions policies aren't acceptable to the administration among other things.
https://president.brown.edu/president/brown-and-us-government-reach-agreement
https://www.brown.edu/sites/default/files/brown-and-united-states-resolution-agreement_July-30-2025.pdf
This sounded better in the original German (https://heritage.umich.edu/stories/in-the-face-of-fascists/).
Quote"Never before," editorialized the New York Times days later, "did a great institution of learning joyously participate in its own degradation."
Quote from: TrotskyThis sounded better in the original German (https://heritage.umich.edu/stories/in-the-face-of-fascists/).
Quote"Never before," editorialized the New York Times days later, "did a great institution of learning joyously participate in its own degradation."
As opposed to the New York Times' current self-degradation?
NYT was always an enemy inside the gates.
From yesterday's NY Times: "A federal judge in New York declined in a ruling on Friday to order the Trump administration to restore hundreds of millions of dollars in terminated funding that had been awarded to research institutions by the National Science Foundation."
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Probably, not coincidently, there's a special webinar for Cornell advocates, volunteers, and philanthropic leaders scheduled for August 20. "President Kotlikoff will discuss Cornell's endowment—how it's managed, what it does for Cornell, and how it compares to those of our peer institutions."
Interesting article in today's NY Times:
[https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/07/upshot/trump-college-admissions-race-wealth.html?unlocked_article_code=1.cU8.whI4.WPt2abEpXllB&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare]
Doesn't mention Cornell directly, but has obvious implications.
Be sure to look at this related article.
[https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/11/upshot/college-income-lookup.html?unlocked_article_code=1.cU8.-OW2.EQXASll0kS8W&smid=url-share]
There are several interactive charts. Interesting to compare Cornell to, say, Dartmouth.
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Quote from: George64Probably, not coincidently, there's a special webinar for Cornell advocates, volunteers, and philanthropic leaders scheduled for August 20. "President Kotlikoff will discuss Cornell's endowment—how it's managed, what it does for Cornell, and how it compares to those of our peer institutions."
Interesting timing although maybe they do it every year to onboard new crime families (https://hedearnell.medium.com/philanthropy-and-whitewashing-8a660b70d030) er donors.
Ironically, I wonder if trump would have gotten into Penn if they had put more reliance on SAT scores and his military school GPA. I guess they thought they'd get significant largess from him and his spawn, but, of course, they didn't.
Cornell among 32 schools sued over alleged early decision conspiracy per Cornell Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/08/cornell-among-32-elite-schools-sued-over-alleged-illegal-early-decision-conspiracy). Martha Pollock exited at the right time. All she had to contend with was COVID.
Our principal antagonist in the administration per the NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/11/us/politics/harvard-trump-may-mailman.html?unlocked_article_code=1.dU8.kVuO.q8gMYlWw3Spu&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare).
Quote from: George64Cornell among 32 schools sued over alleged early decision conspiracy per Cornell Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/08/cornell-among-32-elite-schools-sued-over-alleged-illegal-early-decision-conspiracy). Martha Pollock exited at the right time. All she had to contend with was COVID.
So lets say you apply to 3 schools hoping for early decision and you get one that says yes. How does it matter which school says yes because applying to more than 1 implies you really want to accept which ever one says yes?
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: George64Cornell among 32 schools sued over alleged early decision conspiracy per Cornell Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/08/cornell-among-32-elite-schools-sued-over-alleged-illegal-early-decision-conspiracy). Martha Pollock exited at the right time. All she had to contend with was COVID.
So lets say you apply to 3 schools hoping for early decision and you get one that says yes. How does it matter which school says yes because applying to more than 1 implies you really want to accept which ever one says yes?
If you apply ED, you're applying only to one school (supposedly).
I never talked to a kid who applied for it that wasn't applying to more than one school though.
Quote from: upprdeckI never talked to a kid who applied for it that wasn't applying to more than one school though.
ED wasn't a thing in 1970 - IIRC - when I last worried about admission. If I ruled the admission committee world and found someone applying ED to two or three schools I'd not only vote no but use my veto to keep that snake out of"my" school.
Anyone who thinks the acceptance should be binding on the student as in that student has entered into a contract to attend isn't hitting on all cylinders - whether that be a Hemi V-8 or a 3 cylinder Corolla Turbo.
I think there should be honor in the application process but to think a student can't decide to go elsewhere is ::screwy::
Quote from: George64Ironically, I wonder if trump would have gotten into Penn if they had put more reliance on SAT scores and his military school GPA.
Dump didn't go to Penn. He went to "Penn" (Wharton) in the way that kids who get a degree milled at the Kennedy School of Government go to "Harvard."
Yet another rating, this time on LinkedIn (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=3d10c1875_134fae3). For what it's worth, Cornell fifth in country, tops Harvard, and first in NY State. Might help in recruiting, as student-athletes tend to gravitate towards business.
NY Times: (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/20/us/trump-visa-vetting-international-students.html?unlocked_article_code=1.fk8.cp3V.MkfmYksCujOZ&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) At Cornell and elsewhere, many international students won't make it to class this fall.
Quote from: George64NY Times: (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/20/us/trump-visa-vetting-international-students.html?unlocked_article_code=1.fk8.cp3V.MkfmYksCujOZ&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) At Cornell and elsewhere, many international students won't make it to class this fall.
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Cornell mentioned tangentially in these NY Times articles: Fight fiercely Harvard (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/06/us/politics/harvard-trump-negotiations-stall.html?unlocked_article_code=1.j08.ozoo.5jcmnhdwsDPX&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) and blatant extortion. (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/06/us/trump-deals-law-firms-universities-concessions.html?unlocked_article_code=1.j08.SObu.CVrNk23AiOVI&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare)
In completely different area, I expect that this story, as reported in The Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/09/cornell-students-found-skinning-bear-carcass-in-campus-residence-hall/) and The Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/09/cornell-students-skin-bear-in-ganedago-hall-communal-kitchen-no-charges-filed) will start to circulate widely for its novelty.
Looks like an admission fail.
Has anybody seen Touchdown since Saturday???::cry::
JFK Jr left a bear cub carcass in Central Park, and look where he is today!
Quote from: David HardingIn completely different area, I expect that this story, as reported in The Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/09/cornell-students-found-skinning-bear-carcass-in-campus-residence-hall/) and The Sun (https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/09/cornell-students-skin-bear-in-ganedago-hall-communal-kitchen-no-charges-filed) will start to circulate widely for its novelty.
I heard about that yesterday. Welcome to Ithaca. I guess.
One of the groups in my Meat Science class (2005) served bear chili for their final project. I'm not sure where the bear was skinned and processed.
Per NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/06/us/politics/harvard-trump-negotiations-stall.html?unlocked_article_code=1.j08.ozoo.5jcmnhdwsDPX&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare), settlement talks with Harvard, Cornell and Northwestern stall.
Well, need some time for Charlie to lie in state.
Quote from: TrotskyWell, need some time for Charlie to lie in state.
Those bozos are going to name streets after him.
Well, fuck: https://bsky.app/profile/nkalamb.bsky.social/post/3lzy3njyf722l
QuoteCornell is cancelling a distinguished professor's classes on Gaza and suspending him because of the complaints of a student who previously served in Israel's military surveillance agency and was literally recording the comments of other students in class and deliberately derailing discussion.
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"Well, fuck" indeed.