Let's fucking go. Cornell jumps out to a 10-0 lead against Princeton.
Good half but terrible turnover at the end, hopefully that doesn't cost us
Quote from: chimpfoodGood half but terrible turnover at the end, hopefully that doesn't cost us
Cornell up 21 at the first media timeout of the second half, so looking like it won't.
78-50 at the second media timeout, with Fiegen on the line coming out of the break with a chance to complete a 4-point play. This is sick.
Getting the feeling that we got all of the virus out of our system in Hanover. The last few have been good. Shame they didn't win that Yale game.
belt to fucking ass
I assume because we beat Princeton twice we have the tiebreaker for the Ivy tourney, and thus the lowest seed we could be is 3rd (avoiding Yale in semis).
Unbelievable performance. Love the first round matchup vs Dartmouth, I think I'm gonna have to ship up to providence.
Quote from: CU2007I assume because we beat Princeton twice we have the tiebreaker for the Ivy tourney, and thus the lowest seed we could be is 3rd (avoiding Yale in semis).
i think that's right. Dartmouth split with us and Princeton, we swept Princeton, so we finish 2d in the three-way tie, and beat Princeton H2H.
Even though Penn stinks this year, sweeping P/P feels pretty good.
Quote from: ugarteEven though Penn stinks this year, sweeping P/P feels pretty good.
Just as for the opposite, when Columbia or Brown are bad in football (this is historically the past decades), you still think of them as terrible. And when Penn/Princeton have bad/off years, it still feels as if they might turn things around in our P/P weekend.
Something of note that I caught while watching the game back: the announcers said that Okereke can graduate this year and if he does he would have to leave Cornell as graduate students can't play in the Ivy League. He is listed as a junior so I don't know if that means that he can choose if he graduates this year or not but we would be losing a huge piece if he leaves before his senior year.
Quote from: chimpfoodSomething of note that I caught while watching the game back: the announcers said that Okereke can graduate this year and if he does he would have to leave Cornell as graduate students can't play in the Ivy League. He is listed as a junior so I don't know if that means that he can choose if he graduates this year or not but we would be losing a huge piece if he leaves before his senior year.
That's what they very strongly implied. As a guy who got admitted on his academics and then walked on, I imagine he'll have his pick of transfer locations that suit his dual interests.
Another example of IVY being dumb. Punish kids for being smart and graduating early
Quote from: nycredbelt to fucking ass
So romantic.
Quote from: upprdeckAnother example of IVY being dumb. Punish kids for being smart and graduating early
Not sure how it punishes the kid here when it means he gets a scholly for grad school. It hurts the team and the school, though.
One can extend eligibility by taking additional undergraduate courses but on the flipside all your financial aid gets taken away. Cornell for years has been for graduate student eligibility but cannot get support to overturn the rule.
Quote from: chimpfoodSomething of note that I caught while watching the game back: the announcers said that Okereke can graduate this year and if he does he would have to leave Cornell as graduate students can't play in the Ivy League. He is listed as a junior so I don't know if that means that he can choose if he graduates this year or not but we would be losing a huge piece if he leaves before his senior year.
If he does leave after this year, it's a big loss. He'd be a POY candidate
I'm sure most of you aren't students so can't take advantage of this unfortunately but Cornell is giving away free Ivy madness tickets. They are going to the students who attended the most games over the course of the season which I think is a great way to decide it. Hopefully this should make for a good Cornell contingent in providence.
Hoops hits 100 again, beating Columbia 100-81. 2nd place Ivy regular season finish. We get Dartmouth next week.
Finishing the regular season on a high note. They have a shot at winning it all. Yale has faltered down the stretch. Good chance at revenge against Dartmouth next Saturday.
Dartmouth lost to Harvard today, should be an easy win IF we play at the top of our game as we have been. I don't think I can handle 4 straight first round exits.
Quote from: chimpfoodDartmouth lost to Harvard today, should be an easy win IF we play at the top of our game as we have been. I don't think I can handle 4 straight first round exits.
I dunno, didn't we just lose to them by about 300 points?
Yes-a few weeks ago but Cornell is playing at the top of their game right now and their defensive play has tightened up too.
shooting has come back to life at a good time
Quote from: rss77Yes-a few weeks ago but Cornell is playing at the top of their game right now and their defensive play has tightened up too.
that weekend was a very loud wakeup call. After a 15-point loss to Yale, an embarrassing loss to Harvard, a blowout loss against Dartmouth and a couple of very close games against Yale (blew a big lead and lost) and Brown (led the whole way but it got uncomfortable), we ripped Penn, Princeton and Columbia apart. I'm with rss. We beat Dartmouth by 12 the first time; that's much more like the rest of Dartmouth's record than our blowout loss to the Green is like the rest of ours.
Donahue out at Penn
That's a shame. Great coach. Never should've left here. Could've been a Shaferesque institution. Went for the lottery ticket.
Jacques bring him back as an assistant or advisor?
Never will happen-His wife absolutely hated living in Ithaca. Besides he already has a former head coach in Peiceton grad Mike Brennan.
Meant Princeton grad. He was fairly successful at American.
Quote from: arugulaThat's a shame. Great coach. Never should've left here. Could've been a Shaferesque institution. Went for the lottery ticket.
Hate to hear it, but you knew he wasn't surviving this season.
It packs less of an emotional punch, but Engles is out at Columbia.
Hey who can blame him , he was cashing in on a huge pay day.
Quote from: arugulaThat's a shame. Great coach. Never should've left here. Could've been a Shaferesque institution. Went for the lottery ticket.
I wonder how sustainable his success would've been after the Wittman-Dale-Foote-Jaques class graduated. His best late recruits were Wroblewski and Peck, but clearly the talent he left behind wasn't anywhere as strong as the great senior class of 2010.
Quote from: chimpfoodDonahue out at Penn
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64As I recall, it wasn't like Donohue was an ace recruiter. Whittman wasn't recruited heavily because of an injury; Dale wasn't recruited, he sought out Cornell; and Foote transferred from St. Bonaventure after his mother, a nurse, met the Cornell team who was visiting a seriously injured player (Khaliq Gant, I think) in the hospital. Foote certainly developed, however, during his time on the Hill.
This is it: it was luck.
Wittman's dad played in the NBA (and is currently the head coach of the Wizards) and he was expected to play above the Ivy League, but he got hurt his senior year. One of the advantages of having a dad who is the coach of (at the time) the Timberwolves is that you don't need a scholarship. Donahue got him, which was a great get, because he was an amazing Ivy player.
Louis Dale was a 5'9" guard out of Birmingham. There is no reason he shouldn't have been recruited by all of the Ivies but Birmingham is a little off of the recruiting trail. He sent a tape to Cornell and Donahue and staff couldn't believe that nobody had heard of a kid that good with Ivy academic credentials. Snapped him up.
When Khaliq Gant, Cornell's best player at the time, broke his neck during a January 2006 practice, he ended up getting treated at an upstate NY hospital. One of his nurses was very impressed with the sense of camaraderie she saw in the Cornell team and coaching staff, who were regular visitors during Gant's recovery. She mentioned that her son, a 7'1" center at St. Bonaventure, was unhappy with his school and wondered if Cornell had a place for him since everyone seemed much happier. Donahue said yes, fed the kid like he was foie gras, and taught him how to improve his footwork.
And then when all of them were seniors, the NCAA tournament committee looked around the room, nodded silently, and put the Red in a bracket as a 12 seed with two plodding, low-scoring teams as the 4 and 5 seeds. Cornell destroyed both of them. Then faced a Kentucky team who took about five minutes to figure out that they actually had to try, but once they did try, the game was over.
This Cornell Chronicle article about Khaliq Gant is worth reading. A young man with a great attitude! — https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2009/03/gant-steady-presence-big-red
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I didn't even mean that as an insult to Donohue. It is also true that the pieces fell together in an insane way: we made the Sweet 16 because our best player almost died. If there was ever a time for a man to sell high on his own reputation, it was Donohue going to the ACC. If there was ever a time for a man who may have Peter Principle'd to return to his level of success, it was Donohue taking the job at Penn.
Donahue didn't kill the Penn program, Jerome Allen did. After replacing Allen, and before the last two years that led to his firing, Donahue had Penn in the top half of the conference every year but his first, and went to the Big Dance in 2018.
In the end, though, Donohue was a ~.500 coach in 9 seasons at Penn. He was a ~.500 coach in 10 seasons at Cornell. But we'll always have those three years, no matter who gets credit, even if it's "kismet."
A ton of schools have that 1-2 yr run. You just have to hope one of your schools gets to do it.
extended runs are for those 20 or so schools and often those schools have that run hit a drought and hope to have another.
We also forget that there was tremendous depth on the 2009/2010 season. He had a couple of transfers in Max Groebe from UMass and Mark Coury from Kentucky. Errick Peck, Adam Wire, Geoff Reeves, and Alex Tyler were also excellent players and athletes. Coury was a great backup to Foote as he was starting center at Kentucky for a year. Yes Dale, Foote, and Wittman were great players but they would not have made the Sweet 16 without the excellent supporting cast. According to the late lamented Cornell Big Red Fan of old Cornell basketball blog-he stated that Donahue's assistant Zach Spiker initiated a change in Cornell's offense that was key to Cornell's success. Spiker left before the 2009/2010 season to take the head coaching position at Army whereupon he moved on to Drexel where he is now head coach and has been moderately successful.
ILT final is a sellout! I had already decided I couldn't go but anyone waiting for the results of the Dartmouth game will be checking stubhub (if necessary).
It will be like most of these Tourneys. Once the team you root for loses people try to dump tickets.
Quote from: upprdeckIt will be like most of these Tourneys. Once the team you root for loses people try to dump tickets.
of course. you think i didn't sell my finals tickets in buffalo? *stares wistfully at nothing in particular*
I blocked that game out of my mind forever.. Stupid replay judges
Game day, let's get this done
Yale not fucking around, Princeton's late-season doldrums: Yale 10-0 after five minutes.
Quote from: ugarteYale not fucking around, Princeton's late-season doldrums: Yale 10-0 after five minutes.
Yale escapes 59-57.
Great game between Yale and P. Hopefully our game isn't that close or I'll have a heart attack
too bad refs swallowed the whistle on that late yale block,
11-11 at the second break. Neither team can shoot worth a damn today. Both teams being aggressive on defense.
Good stretch. 35-25, good guys. Dartmouth time out after a Feigen 3 with 4:15 left in the half.
44-36 Cornell at the half. Slow and steady. Okereke and Feigen all over the place. Ragland solid. Noard and Williams shakier than usual. Hinton playing like he wants serious minutes next year.
Ugh, that's going to be a tough injury if Okereke is done for tomorrow (and today).
Edit: wow, already back in. I thought for sure that was a popped shoulder.
While we look great. Particularly AK and Nazir. Dartmouth looks like they can't stop anyone. Tissue defense.
Quote from: arugulaWhile we look great. Particularly AK and Nazir. Dartmouth looks like they can't stop anyone. Tissue defense.
Which makes the 49 points we scored in Hanover even more inexplicable. Did the team eat at a Pizza Hut before that game?
Quote from: Jordan 04Ugh, that's going to be a tough injury if Okereke is done for tomorrow (and today).
Edit: wow, already back in. I thought for sure that was a popped shoulder.
It was, saw it pop back in.
Yale is gonna be tough tomorrow but any time you're one win away from March madness it's possible
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: arugulaWhile we look great. Particularly AK and Nazir. Dartmouth looks like they can't stop anyone. Tissue defense.
Which makes the 49 points we scored in Hanover even more inexplicable. Did the team eat at a Pizza Hut before that game?
i don't think we really played the second half tbh
AK reminds me of Charles Oakley with more skill.
Line has Yale as a 5.5 point favorite tomorrow
first time had lead got smoked
second time had a late chance to win
3rd time is the charm
One win away from March madness and I'm starting to feel it. Hopefully AK is good to go tomorrow. His shoulder popped back into place after about a minute or so but there can still be muscle and tendon damage that adrenaline helped him deal with today. Hopefully he's 100% tomorrow. We tightened up our rotation and only played 8 players excluding garbage time which I liked. Leave it all out there tomorrow
Good start, 11-5.
Our unis are a crime against humanity.
Quote from: TrotskyGood start, 11-5.
Our unis are a crime against humanity.
Unis aside, we're looking confident even though we're not shooting well. If the shooting picks up we'll really put pressure on Yale.
The guy next to Ryan Whitman is VERY hungover.
That 3 really helped.
I was going to say, what's up with the black? Doesn't even look like Cornell. Red is so much more classic and stands out.
Quote from: cth95I was going to say, what's up with the black? Doesn't even look like Cornell. Red is so much more classic and stands out.
It's trendy, sadly. Red and white. Great colors. Sigh.
SHORT KING REBOUND POWER!!!
Okereke with an ironic dunk? I didn't know that was even a thing.
"Ivy Madness"?
Oh my god, these debentures are insane!
Ragland quick shot three. Need to relax and run their offense. It's a long game.
Throwing up bricks.
Outscored 26-10 since 18-11 lead.
Cornell holding the lead because of defense. the shooting is rough - Noard in particular has vertigo - they are trying to thread very tight needles on the cuts and Ragland is an excellent shooter with no touch inside.
well, not leading now followed by another miss from Noard and a second straight defensive breakdown to allow an open look, another muss from 3, smother slow rotation. From up 2 to down 7 while i was typing.
AK has to take charge.
Good beginning of the half.
Bad ending of the half.
Well in it but a new approach is needed.
I'm gonna suggest that our finish there was *good*. The game at home, Yale went on a run in the last couple of minutes and we never recovered. Here, Yale went up 9 and was about to blow the doors off again, and we finished with the last 4 and a good stop. A big reversal from the game at home.
Quote from: TrotskyGood beginning of the half.
Bad ending of the half.
Well in it but a new approach is needed.
The only "new approach" is to hit their threes, especially Cooper.
a team that shoots volume 3s cant shoot 20%. on the other hand down 5 if we were shooting normal
by game play we should probably be up 3-5. lets hope it evens out
Quote from: upprdecka team that shoots volume 3s cant shoot 20%. on the other hand down 5 if we were shooting normal
by game play we should probably be up 3-5. lets hope it evens out
Coach needs the magical words at half to get his guys to relax and shoot with confidence.
Every year it seems I read about this team's 3-point shooting and then I tune in to a few of the bigger games and see a lot of clanking.
Quote from: TrotskyGood beginning of the half.
Bad ending of the half.
Well in it but a new approach is needed.
Sorry I quoted the wrong post ... I was attempting to quote my own, where I said that our end of the half was "good", noting that by "good", I meant "bad".
Quote from: Jordan 04Every year it seems I read about this team's 3-point shooting and then I tune in to a few of the bigger games and see a lot of clanking.
2023 Semi: 8-30
2024 Semi: 10-29
2025 Championship: 4-18 so far.
Ouch.
Quote from: Jordan 042025 Championship: 4-18 so far.
Ouch.
Now 7-22, FYI.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: Jordan 042025 Championship: 4-18 so far.
Ouch.
Now 7-22, FYI.
I woke them up! LOL
yale akmost 60% from 3
not a great time for bad Guy to show up
Yale hitting all their open looks now. At least our shooting is coming around. Wouldn't mind a little more Beccles. Ragland can't keep putting the ball on the floor; it's not where his game is.
Lock down #4 and make the other guys beat us.
Quote from: mike1960Lock down #4 and make the other guys beat us.
Kid can't miss. Annoying
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: mike1960Lock down #4 and make the other guys beat us.
Kid can't miss. Annoying
Man I remember him from the game here, he was on fire, no matter how well he was covered.
it's cute how the refs have called nothing all tournament and then foul out AK on that
Came back from the seemingly dead to make a game of it.
Showed some fight. Just not enough stops down the stretch to complete a comeback.
Cornell should be proud, great effort.
As long as Okereke doesn't graduate early I think we're better next year than a lot of people expect. Hinton and Beccles getting more time and Feigen becoming more central to the design of the offense will make up for a lot of what we lose in Ragland and Williams. We do need a big man in the post since Kiachian is a senior too. I don't think I saw 6'10" LeBeau in a real game at all.
So much good in this game but the shooting went cold when we needed to hit the open looks Yale was giving us.
Sad to lose, but it feels like Jacques got just about everything he could out of this roster. Am I wrong about that?
Proud of their effort. It was a fun tournament to go to even if it didn't end with us winning it all. We're gonna need AK to come back next year and since we're hosting Ivy madness, all we need to do is get in and we're in a good spot.
Proud of our effort today. I think this Yale team is the best Ivy team since our 2010 team, and we gave them a great battle. Too bad Noard was off his game today. As Ugarte says, if Okereke comes back we'll surely be in the mix for the league title next year; he's just a matchup nightmare for anyone in the Ivies. I too am concerned about our lack of size coming back besides AK, and none of the listed recruits seem to be big guys.
I don't know about our metrics for the NIT, but I think we're pretty worthy of a shot.
Nice to see us get within a game of MM.
ESPN is projecting (https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/30423107/ncaa-women-bracketology-2025-women-college-basketball-projections) 3 Ivies in the women's tournament (Harvard, Columbia, Princeton). If all of their predictions are correct, that would put the Ivies behind only the Power 4 in terms of number of teams in the field.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: cth95I was going to say, what's up with the black? Doesn't even look like Cornell. Red is so much more classic and stands out.
It's trendy, sadly. Red and white. Great colors. Sigh.
Yes, black is in. I was distressed by the color when I saw the women play Northwestern over Thanksgiving. I found it very confusing.
disappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom
Quote from: Mr. Nissdisappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom
Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Mr. Nissdisappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom
Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.
In the first round, Samford (who we beat) is playing at George Mason (who beat us.)
AK is most likely graduating early, which is going to be a huge blow for the team unfortunately.
Oops, accidentally posted the previous message twice
Looking at Kenpom criteria the top 12 conferences get an automatic bid. Ivies finished at 13 just out of the running for an auto bid. Would have to have seen one more game from this crew. Will comment it has amazing watching Okereke improve over the course of his time wearing the Red. Would hurt to lose him.
Quote from: nycredOops, accidentally posted the previous message twice
Yeah, unfortunately the decision between getting an Ivy degree, starting a masters, and maybe getting paid to play at a power 5 school and paying 100k to come back to Cornell for another year and not being able to start a masters isn't a very hard one. Hoping for the best but we can't count on him being here next season.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Mr. Nissdisappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom
Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.
In the first round, Samford (who we beat) is playing at George Mason (who beat us.)
Looking at KenPom, there are four teams ranked below us who made the NIT:
San Jose State (15-19) is in ... because they said yes. Mountain West had an autobid for the top team not in the NCAAs; UNLV, Nevada and Boise State (going to the Crown) all declined.
Kent State is in as the MAC autobid.
UC Riverside? Big West only gets one autobid and Irvine and Northridge are also in the field.
Furman?!? The SoCon doesn't even get an automatic bid, and Chattanooga and Samford are also in the field.
We may have been left out for geographical reasons. They try to keep travel light; Riverside is playing at Santa Clara and Furman (Greenville, SC) is heading to North Texas (Austin). St. Bonaventure is hosting a midwest autobid (Kent State) and any other geographically sensible opponent is hosting someone ranked ahead of us.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: nycredOops, accidentally posted the previous message twice
Yeah, unfortunately the decision between getting an Ivy degree, starting a masters, and maybe getting paid to play at a power 5 school and paying 100k to come back to Cornell for another year and not being able to start a masters isn't a very hard one. Hoping for the best but we can't count on him being here next season.
Certainly based on the criteria you've listed it's hard to imagine him sticking around. IMO he can play at pretty much any power conference school, and be a key player at that level. He was phenomenal this year.
Mañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.
Quote from: nycredMañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.
I think Okereke has become a better player than Manon and should fetch at least as good an NIL package.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Mr. Nissdisappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom
Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.
In the first round, Samford (who we beat) is playing at George Mason (who beat us.)
Looking at KenPom, there are four teams ranked below us who made the NIT:
San Jose State (15-19) is in ... because they said yes. Mountain West had an autobid for the top team not in the NCAAs; UNLV, Nevada and Boise State (going to the Crown) all declined.
Kent State is in as the MAC autobid.
UC Riverside? Big West only gets one autobid and Irvine and Northridge are also in the field.
Furman?!? The SoCon doesn't even get an automatic bid, and Chattanooga and Samford are also in the field.
We may have been left out for geographical reasons. They try to keep travel light; Riverside is playing at Santa Clara and Furman (Greenville, SC) is heading to North Texas (Austin). St. Bonaventure is hosting a midwest autobid (Kent State) and any other geographically sensible opponent is hosting someone ranked ahead of us.
Cornell was probably in the band of possibles, but only because so many teams bagged. Looks like tOSU, Penn St., WVU, Indiana, Northwestern, Iowa, Pitt, Kansas State, Rutgers (what a disappointing year they had), Minnesota, Florida State, Virginia, and UNLV all called it a season. I was hoping that would open up a spot of our guys, but travel probably played a big role. If PSU had agreed to go, we might have have been their opponent (another reason to dislike the Nits).
Cornell almost certainly could have gone to the CBI, they couldn't even fill their 16 team bracket and their best team is probably Ill. St. But I imagine the school thought there were better uses for what that would have cost.
At least Princeton wasn't picked over Cornell.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: nycredMañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.
I think Okereke has become a better player than Manon and should fetch at least as good an NIL package.
Hate that AK's Cornell career may be (probably is) over, but I can't fault a family for stopping tuition payments after three years. Have to think AK will be in heavy demand as a grad transfer. I'd pick him over Manon, and I liked Chris a lot, every time.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: scoop85Quote from: nycredMañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.
I think Okereke has become a better player than Manon and should fetch at least as good an NIL package.
Hate that AK's Cornell career may be (probably is) over, but I can't fault a family for stopping tuition payments after three years. Have to think AK will be in heavy demand as a grad transfer. I'd pick him over Manon, and I liked Chris a lot, every time.
Do you know how annoying it is to lose a player because they are TOO GOOD AT SCHOOL!?
Does Yale cover +7? I gave the points. Think they get blown out.
Quote from: toddloseDoes Yale cover +7? I gave the points. Think they get blown out.
I like the moneyline. SEC is overrated IMO and this Yale team has been really good since conference play started.
Opponent from this year RMU is hanging with Bama with 15 to go
Watching St. Mary's/Vandy and I had to confirm that the Cornell pronunciation guide from last year said it was Chris MANN-in. It's his name, and Chris would hardly be the first to ask for a change, but I had to double check that I wasn't getting wrong for four years.
Quote from: mountainredWatching St. Mary's/Vandy and I had to confirm that the Cornell pronunciation guide from last year said it was Chris MANN-in. It's his name, and Chris would hardly be the first to ask for a change, but I had to double check that I wasn't getting wrong for four years.
Well his Vandy uniform does have the Tilde over the "n" in his name
Cornell is selling Final Four tickets from its allotment. (At least it says it is. The details are for last year's Final Four in Phoenix; this year's is in San Antonio.) Price is $650, so I think they might be somewhat decent seats given that tickets on the secondary market can be had for much less.
https://www.bigredtix.com/checkout/6712764cae3f5957dda65d0c?boxOnly=true
Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?
Quote from: mike1960Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?
caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?
caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it
Having a group of good players, you mean?
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?
caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it
Having a group of good players, you mean?
Three of whom were strokes of good luck. Dale recruited himself by sending a video to Donahue. Foote transferred in because his mother nursed s seriously-injured Cornell player and liked that the team visited him often. Wittman, targeted for a big-time program, was injured senior year in high school so was viewed as a risk. His father, an NBA GM, sent him to Cornell.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?
caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it
Having a group of good players, you mean?
Three of whom were strokes of good luck. Dale recruited himself by sending a video to Donahue. Foote transferred in because his mother nursed s seriously-injured Cornell player and liked that the team visited him often. Wittman, targeted for a big-time program, was injured senior year in high school so was viewed as a risk. His father, an NBA GM, sent him to Cornell.
Thanks, Al.
holy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.
Quote from: ugarteholy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.
LOL!
If I wasn't such a big fan of your wrestling posts, I'd send you to this link for highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Quote from: ugarteholy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.
Perfect pass across traffic by Charlie Major. Brilliant finish by Sullivan Mack. Beautiful!
Quote from: ugarteholy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.
Well played.
Good/bad news depending on how you look at it.
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/04/princeton-sports-news-xaivian-lee-entering-ncaa-transfer-portal
Quote from: chimpfoodGood/bad news depending on how you look at it.
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/04/princeton-sports-news-xaivian-lee-entering-ncaa-transfer-portal
I'm not thrilled when Ivy guys leave except for grad transfers, which hopefully will largely be a thing of the past. I'd hate to see us sink to Patriot League levels.
Right: "These past three years at Princeton have been the most meaningful of my life. This place has shaped me as a person and challenged me. It gave me a platform to chase my dreams and now Princeton is a place I know I can always call home," says star junior guard Xaivian Lee as he announces he leaves his Old Nassau home to enter the transfer portal and test the NBA draft waters. (The Daily Princetonian actually uppercases "Draft" waters.) If he did, the Bleacher Report has him as the 52nd pick.
In some ways I have never understood the need "To play at a higher level". IMO you are what you are as a player. Playing in the Big East as opposed to the Ivies does not make you a better basketball player. I remember Jimmy Boeheim's comment that he was surprised there was not much difference in athleticsm between the Ivies and ACC. The difference at higher levels is athleticsm coupled with height. Lee is chasing NIL money and is under the illusion it will elevate him to 1st round pick (2nd round IMO).
Also check it out but I believe Patriot League schools are doing NIL collectives.
Quote from: rss77In some ways I have never understood the need "To play at a higher level". IMO you are what you are as a player. Playing in the Big East as opposed to the Ivies does not make you a better basketball player. I remember Jimmy Boeheim's comment that he was surprised there was not much difference in athleticsm between the Ivies and ACC. The difference at higher levels is athleticsm coupled with height. Lee is chasing NIL money and is under the illusion it will elevate him to 1st round pick (2nd round IMO).
Can't say I'm on board with you on this. While the Ivies have clearly stepped up their game the past few years, there's still a significant gap in athleticism between the Ivies and the power programs. I think Danny Wolf has clearly elevated his draft stock by playing at Michigan this year, as he's proven he can compete day-in-day-out with the highest caliber college talent. While I think Lee's a good player, I don't think he's better than Matt Morgan, who's carved out an excellent European career but hasn't been able to crack the NBA. I think Okereke will thrive at wherever he ends up next year and will likely have the biggest impact of any Cornell transfer over the past several years.
Quote from: chimpfoodDonahue out at Penn
And hired by Saint Joe's to be associate head coach. Staying in Philly.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: chimpfoodDonahue out at Penn
And hired by Saint Joe's to be associate head coach. Staying in Philly.
And now head coach as Billy Lange takes a job with the Knicks.
I am guessing he will do all right at St Joes with scholarships and NIL.