I believe there are some former Sun people on this board. Any explanation why men's and women's basketball gets such scarce coverage this season?
Quote from: rss77I believe there are some former Sun people on this board. Any explanation why men's and women's basketball gets such scarce coverage this season?
Has to be due to an inability to find enough students interested in covering the teams. I covered men's basketball for the Sun for 3 years and wrote game articles for every game, along with numerous features. Today only men's hockey, via Jane McNally, receives equivalent coverage.
You would like to think the ease of watching games would help find someone to report though
Years ago you had no way other than going to a game to see and write a story
and speaking of the Sun. The NCAA NIL/Scholie limits thing would be a good story to help explain how it will cause issues going forward for all the Cornell teams.
Yes, my understanding is that they have struggled for quite a few years now to find enough students who want to be sports reporters. I don't know the specifics beyond that, thought.
It also takes so much time to cover a sport closely. You're talking about taking half the Friday/Saturday nights of the school year and spending them working. You can't go to games with friends, go out, it's hard to get people to sign up to do all that.
Quote from: chimpfoodIt also takes so much time to cover a sport closely. You're talking about taking half the Friday/Saturday nights of the school year and spending them working. You can't go to games with friends, go out, it's hard to get people to sign up to do all that.
So how do we end up with 5-6 EMts at ever hockey game? They seem to be willing to give up time? We have hundreds of kids at hockey games, none of them can write?
Sure it takes effort. Kinda like a job does.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: chimpfoodIt also takes so much time to cover a sport closely. You're talking about taking half the Friday/Saturday nights of the school year and spending them working. You can't go to games with friends, go out, it's hard to get people to sign up to do all that.
So how do we end up with 5-6 EMts at ever hockey game? They seem to be willing to give up time? We have hundreds of kids at hockey games, none of them can write?
Sure it takes effort. Kinda like a job does.
Hockey isn't the issue, it's the most popular sport here but the sports editor gets that beat, I could find 100 people at this school that would do the hockey beat if it was available, myself included. Clearly there isn't interest in people doing putting in that kind of work for other sports and you can't force them to do it. At some point you have to shrug your shoulders and wait for someone with more passion to bring back the type of coverage you want in future years.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: rss77I believe there are some former Sun people on this board. Any explanation why men's and women's basketball gets such scarce coverage this season?
Has to be due to an inability to find enough students interested in covering the teams. I covered men's basketball for the Sun for 3 years and wrote game articles for every game, along with numerous features. Today only men's hockey, via Jane McNally, receives equivalent coverage.
If I may ask, did you go into journalism after school or did you go in another direction?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: rss77I believe there are some former Sun people on this board. Any explanation why men's and women's basketball gets such scarce coverage this season?
Has to be due to an inability to find enough students interested in covering the teams. I covered men's basketball for the Sun for 3 years and wrote game articles for every game, along with numerous features. Today only men's hockey, via Jane McNally, receives equivalent coverage.
In my day, we tried to make sure to write previews and recaps of every game for every varsity team, along with features when we could. We also covered road games for football, men's basketball and men's hockey -- and sometimes other teams if schedules aligned. I once covered a volleyball match at Dartmouth on the Friday night before the football game in Hanover. In those days, the Sun could pay for all that, but it's been a long time since they had that kind of money coming in.
And now all these games can be watched and covered from your own room. You dont have to sit through 3 hrs to watch a fb game. you can wind through the whole game in 30-40 min.
Nowadays anybody can watch the games anywhere for cheap, and the highlights are posted within an hour of the game ending. What I'd like to see is not summaries of the games, which are pretty unnecessary at this point, but rather inside scoops you can't get from watching on ESPN+: interviews with players and coaches. And you don't need to send a reporter to the game for that, you can just schedule a 10-minute zoom with Coach Jacques and a player or two before and/or after each game.
Agreed there. Very disappointing that the basketball recaps don't even have quotes.
is there an assumption that players and coaches want to be quoted?
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: scoop85Quote from: rss77I believe there are some former Sun people on this board. Any explanation why men's and women's basketball gets such scarce coverage this season?
Has to be due to an inability to find enough students interested in covering the teams. I covered men's basketball for the Sun for 3 years and wrote game articles for every game, along with numerous features. Today only men's hockey, via Jane McNally, receives equivalent coverage.
If I may ask, did you go into journalism after school or did you go in another direction?
I was on the fence, but by junior year I decided to go to law school.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Quote from: scoop85Quote from: rss77I believe there are some former Sun people on this board. Any explanation why men's and women's basketball gets such scarce coverage this season?
Has to be due to an inability to find enough students interested in covering the teams. I covered men's basketball for the Sun for 3 years and wrote game articles for every game, along with numerous features. Today only men's hockey, via Jane McNally, receives equivalent coverage.
If I may ask, did you go into journalism after school or did you go in another direction?
I was on the fence, but by junior year I decided to go to law school.
I hope it worked out well. I ask because I miss the old sports journalism we'd get from SI and elsewhere -- the kind of journalism that didn't just give us a rundown of events but gave us insight into personalities, the strategies, the history, etc.
The Athletic is the closest thing to that these days but even that's gone somewhat downhill since the NYT purchase.
Being on the student paper back in the day was an early start at a career, or at least some experimenting with the idea. There is no real future in traditional sports journalism. Print journalism is mostly dead and most web journalism projects run out of money within five years or turn into garbage. It's a shame.
To the extent you do want to work a job as a journalist or sportswriter, much like law, there are better things to do in college than get an early start on the specific skill.
Quote from: mike1960If I may ask, did you go into journalism after school or did you go in another direction?
There is not much future for journalists who want to earn a halfway decent living, like the equivalent of schoolteacher salary. And journalism for a lot of workers is reporter, writer, editor (no one else will edit the story) and photographer/videographer in one. A trust fund is more important than your major, and since more and more involves being on-camera, it's nice to look like classmate Christopher Reeve than, say, me. The best-paid automotive journalist (broadly put) is an Australian, SuperCar Blondie.
I don't want this to digress too far, but online has made more information/news available on a national level. I get the WaPost, NYT, WSJ and Newark Star-Ledger every day. Compare that to getting Ithaca news; there is barely one reporter checking in on Ithaca. The Ithaca Times weekly, that is a plus.
Quote from: mike1960If I may ask, did you go into journalism after school or did you go in another direction?
There is not much future for journalists who want to earn a halfway decent living, like the equivalent of schoolteacher salary. And journalism for a lot of workers is reporter, writer, editor (no one else will edit the story) and photographer/videographer in one. A trust fund is more important than your major, and since more and more involves being on-camera, it's nice to look like classmate Christopher Reeve than, say, me. The best-paid automotive journalist (broadly put) is an Australian, SuperCar Blondie.
I don't want this to digress too far, but online has made more information/news available on a national level. I get the WaPost, NYT, WSJ and Newark Star-Ledger every day. Compare that to getting Ithaca news; there is barely one reporter checking in on Ithaca. The Ithaca Times weekly, that is a plus.
We have way more ways to get information and yet we have about 10% of the information locally that we used to get,
But you pay for what you get. People want free news and then complain when free doesnt do the stories they want to know about.
Quote from: upprdeckWe have way more ways to get information and yet we have about 10% of the information locally that we used to get,
But you pay for what you get. People want free news and then complain when free doesnt do the stories they want to know about.
And even when free news does the story, nobody reads it.
https://www.thenorthshoreleader.com/single-post/endorsement-robert-zimmerman-for-us-congress-ny3
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: upprdeckWe have way more ways to get information and yet we have about 10% of the information locally that we used to get,
But you pay for what you get. People want free news and then complain when free doesnt do the stories they want to know about.
That's simply amazing.
And even when free news does the story, nobody reads it.
https://www.thenorthshoreleader.com/single-post/endorsement-robert-zimmerman-for-us-congress-ny3