Anyone happen to know when the ECAC (or at least Ivy) schedule will be released for 2025-26?
I think the official schedule is usually released over the summer but if we're lucky we'll get an exclusive ELynah sneak peak soon.
The first inklings of this year's schedule came from Jim Hyla on March 15, 2024. https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,252404
The year before Jim posted the ECAC schedule January 23, 2023 https://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,241746
All unofficial, but generally right on the moeny.
Quote from: David Hardingmoeny.
Isn't that a song lyric?
The ECAC hasn't been as nice recently. I used to get the ECAC schedule so I could post it on 1/1 and start our schedule.
Last year it was March as noted above.
This year, as soon as I know, you'll know.
All I've received is:
QuoteCornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):
11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28
Quote from: Jim HylaAll I've received is:
QuoteCornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):
11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28
Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaAll I've received is:
QuoteCornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):
11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28
Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something
I do wish that would stop happening. It's hard for non die hard fans to keep up with such a long break given that most don't watch away games.
I suspect the Colgate series will be in February and then December will have an OOC home series. Also, I suspect the first two weekends will be on the road. I could see the first conference weekend being at Hamden and Princeton given past scheduling patterns.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaAll I've received is:
QuoteCornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):
11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28
Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something
I suspect there's gonna be at least one weekend of non-conference home play in early February. Makes no sense to have three away weekends in a row. (Think the NoDak home&home.)
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaAll I've received is:
QuoteCornell plays at home on the following dates (conference only):
11/14, 11/15, 11/21, 11/22, 1/16, 1/17, 1/23, 1/24, 2/27, 2/28
Fairly front-loaded again. One home weekend (barring Colgate announcement) after 1/24 is something
I suspect there's gonna be at least one weekend of non-conference home play in early February. Makes no sense to have three away weekends in a row. (Think the NoDak home&home.)
I suspect it'll be Colgate in there as a lone hole date. I don't remember Cornell ever playing out of conference after the middle of January. Conference schedule is wall to wall except the beanpot and Connecticut copycat.
More likely a home NC game in early December than in February.
Anyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Quote from: chimpfoodDo we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight?
I believe ASU came to Lynah in 2019 (and swept both games.)
Quote from: sah67Quote from: chimpfoodDo we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight?
I believe ASU came to Lynah in 2019 (and swept both games.)
That was when Mario Lemieux was in the stands watching his kid.
What was Casey's out of conference plan when he was at Clarkson? It will be interesting to see if the approach is different at all than Schafer's (adjusted to fit within the Ivy League scheduling confines of course).
Quote from: VIEWfromKWhat was Casey's out of conference plan when he was at Clarkson? It will be interesting to see if the approach is different at all than Schafer's (adjusted to fit within the Ivy League scheduling confines of course).
Teams I'd like to see at Lynah, in no particular order:
RIT *
Mankato
Michigan Tech *
Maine
Northeastern *
Vermont *
UNH *
Western Michigan
CC
Alaska-Anchorage
Alaska-Fairbanks
Wisconsin *
North Dakota
Those starred are a bit down on their luck right now, and would probably be very happy to see an outstretched hand. (I guess I'm willing to extend the olive branch to Vermont, mostly because a return to Gutterson would be a definite trip for me.) Maine and North Dakota, and their fans, are always welcome, as far as I'm concerned. There are good relationships built or to be built there. Wisco is a big stretch, because of the idiotic insularity of the Big10 schedule, which, considering recent events you'd think the conference should start to redress. But they should come. We and they get along.
It looks like Clarkson has played Big Ten schools a bunch in recent year, both in Potsdam and away. If Casey could get them to play in Potsdam, you'd figure he could get them to Ithaca.
Quote from: WederIt looks like Clarkson has played Big Ten schools a bunch in recent year, both in Potsdam and away. If Casey could get them to play in Potsdam, you'd figure he could get them to Ithaca.
I don't know: OGS and MSS are quite the hubs!
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: WederIt looks like Clarkson has played Big Ten schools a bunch in recent year, both in Potsdam and away. If Casey could get them to play in Potsdam, you'd figure he could get them to Ithaca.
I don't know: OGS and MSS are quite the hubs!
Ogdensburg has an airport? Who knew!
Quote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: VIEWfromKWhat was Casey's out of conference plan when he was at Clarkson? It will be interesting to see if the approach is different at all than Schafer's (adjusted to fit within the Ivy League scheduling confines of course).
Teams I'd like to see at Lynah, in no particular order:
RIT *
Mankato
Michigan Tech *
Maine
Northeastern *
Vermont *
UNH *
Western Michigan
CC
Alaska-Anchorage
Alaska-Fairbanks
Wisconsin *
North Dakota
Those starred are a bit down on their luck right now, and would probably be very happy to see an outstretched hand. (I guess I'm willing to extend the olive branch to Vermont, mostly because a return to Gutterson would be a definite trip for me.) Maine and North Dakota, and their fans, are always welcome, as far as I'm concerned. There are good relationships built or to be built there. Wisco is a big stretch, because of the idiotic insularity of the Big10 schedule, which, considering recent events you'd think the conference should start to redress. But they should come. We and they get along.
I would love to see most of these teams as well. Maybe I'd take the Alaska teams, RIT, and UVM off the list.
The UNH or Northeastern connection is particularly interesting. If you look at UNH's schedule this past year most of their wins came from out of conference, and they were all against ECAC/AHL/Independent teams. They went 8-1-1. I don't know if this was intentional, but they had plenty of strength of schedule from their conference games, and what they needed for an NCAA bid was a higher win percentage. They got really close with their nonconference games. They were a few wins from getting there.
What if we took the opposite approach to scheduling? Let's assume that we'll get the win percentage we need from our conference play (because if we can't get a good win 5 from our regular season and/or win our tourney, I don't see us performing well in the NCAAs). Then, as insurance against not getting the autobid, let's load our nonconference schedule with as many heavy hitters as we can to up our strength of schedule.
Maybe we're already doing the best we can with scheduling. But it really disappoints me when we play Q in MSG. I see zero benefit to scheduling them for an extra game. Could we really not entice a team like Northeastern, a school that obviously cares about how it is viewed nationally to potential students, to a stage like Madison Square Garden?
Maybe not. I don't know much about the scheduling process. However, when I think about the Q nc game and the Sacred Heart games, and I look at how winning three games against common opponents or head-to-head with teams on the bid bubble, combined with a slightly higher RPI might have gotten us an at-large bid.
And maybe we schedule those games and we don't win enough get there. But having two precious nonconference games against Sacred Heart guarantees we've wasted two Pairwise opportunities.
Quote from: adamwplaying a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%.
In PWR yes, but I still believe the experience playing great teams forces you to grow. This may actually be a myth. But it seems right.
Lake State, MTU, NMU, WMU, CC among the teams I would like to see at Lynah. Along with of course the Blue Bloods. But I'd like to see them later in the year, when we have gelled, and the schedule is so tight that can't happen. Early I wouldn't mind some cupcakes to get the players in sync playing
their game and not worrying so much about the opponent. The Stonehill, Lindenwood, Mercyhurst type of gigs.
For the same reason I wouldn't mind seeing an LIU, or CW Post if they do go D-1, at MSG sometime. Winning is healthy.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwplaying a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%.
In PWR yes, but I still believe the experience playing great teams forces you to grow. This may actually be a myth. But it seems right.
That I agree with -- but it depends upon the time of team you have. That, unfortunately, is hard to predict in advance when schedules are made, especially these days.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
I realize that is how the pairwise is supposed to work but if you look at how strength of schedule is correlated with tournament berths I'm sure it'll show that a harder schedule usually means more likely to make the tourney. Of course there are plenty of confounding variables in there so maybe not a valid argument but anecdotally it feels like a harder schedule means that we're more likely to make the tournament, so I want a harder schedule. It also gives us some margin of error in a weak ECAC since we have done extremely well in OOC play recently. There are also other benefits outside of the pairwise like being used to playing close games against tough teams
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
I realize that is how the pairwise is supposed to work but if you look at how strength of schedule is correlated with tournament berths I'm sure it'll show that a harder schedule usually means more likely to make the tourney. Of course there are plenty of confounding variables in there so maybe not a valid argument but anecdotally it feels like a harder schedule means that we're more likely to make the tournament, so I want a harder schedule.
I think there's probably circular logic in there that makes it seem that way. A program like Minnesota State has shown that if you dominate weak schedules, you make the NCAAs. Heck Cornell showed that in the weak ECAC years. Take a look at Penn State's OOC schedule every year. I get coaches calling me complaining that Penn State "games the Pairwise" by doing this -- so they think the opposite of you. And I have to tell them they're wrong too :)
Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
I realize that is how the pairwise is supposed to work but if you look at how strength of schedule is correlated with tournament berths I'm sure it'll show that a harder schedule usually means more likely to make the tourney. Of course there are plenty of confounding variables in there so maybe not a valid argument but anecdotally it feels like a harder schedule means that we're more likely to make the tournament, so I want a harder schedule.
I think there's probably circular logic in there that makes it seem that way. A program like Minnesota State has shown that if you dominate weak schedules, you make the NCAAs. Heck Cornell showed that in the weak ECAC years. Take a look at Penn State's OOC schedule every year. I get coaches calling me complaining that Penn State "games the Pairwise" by doing this -- so they think the opposite of you. And I have to tell them they're wrong too :)
Yeah maybe I'm trying to hard to argue logically. Honestly it's just fun to play good teams and see teams like North Dakota and Duluth come to lynah, thats honestly probably most of the reason I want a tough schedule.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.
What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.
If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.
Being on the bubble means it goes the other way some years, too. But what I tougher schedule does guarantee is more experience playing teams with different styles and a level of play that forces you to dig deep. Cornell did well this year in the national tournament because they found a way to shift into a higher gear. Let's give these players more experience in those kinds of games.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Has anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwplaying a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%.
In PWR yes, but I still believe the experience playing great teams forces you to grow. This may actually be a myth. But it seems right.
That I agree with -- but it depends upon the time of team you have. That, unfortunately, is hard to predict in advance when schedules are made, especially these days.
Of course. I don't think Mike expected to get waxed by Cor Jesu Amanti Sacrum.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Has anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.
But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Has anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.
But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.
Well I'd hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.
Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.
Quote from: BearLoverHas anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
I recently read an article (which I can't find quickly now) that talked about what we learned from Covid, and one of the lessons was that home game advantage was real - but only if you were used to playing in front of a loud crowd. Programs without that didn't lose any advantage when fans were kept away.
The other observation from that NBA season was how much not traveling over multiple time zones helped teams. And that's been a big discussion in Big Ten football this year. Penn State is feeling the travel burden (just getting onto a direct flight to USC adds a two hour bus ride to a bigger airport), and West Coast schools have seen their performance drop with jet lag.
As that becomes more obvious to sports in general, it make get harder to get western teams to come to Lynah, especially when it's easier to travel to a Boston campus if you're willing to take the time zone hit.
As I'm watching today's game, maybe we should try to entice Penn State to Lynah.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Has anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.
But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.
Well I'd hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.
Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.
I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.
What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.
If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.
True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Has anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.
But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.
Well I'd hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.
Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.
I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.
Interesting proposal!
0.8 doesn't sound like a ton at first glance, but it means a road win is 1.2, so a road win is worth 1.5x as much as a home win. Which is a lot.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Has anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.
But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.
Well I'd hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.
Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.
I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.
Interesting proposal!
0.8 doesn't sound like a ton at first glance, but it means a road win is 1.2, so a road win is worth 1.5x as much as a home win. Which is a lot.
If every team schedules the same ratio of home/away games it all comes out in the wash, right? The exception would be a school like Alaska who benefits from playing most of their games on the road.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: pjd8Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.
What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.
If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.
True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.
Yes, I used those examples because a one game win would flip the comparison. That's not always going to happen, but every once in a while it will.
I agree with you that it's hard to cherry pick for those situations when scheduling is done long before you know who the bubble teams will be. But over years of scheduling, you know you're far more likely to hit that situation by scheduling teams like Northeastern/UNH/Mankato than you are scheduling Sacred Heart. Plus, scheduling another HE/Big Ten/NCHC team will nudge your RPI a bit.
But I think the bigger advantage (and better argument) is the experience of playing with the "big boys" more. I think playing UND was a better challenge to get the guys to elevate their game. We're not going to get a morale boost from beating an AHL team. We're just going to ask why we didn't sweep them.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: adamwQuote from: pjd8Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.
What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.
If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.
True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.
Yes, I used those examples because a one game win would flip the comparison. That's not always going to happen, but every once in a while it will.
I agree with you that it's hard to cherry pick for those situations when scheduling is done long before you know who the bubble teams will be. But over years of scheduling, you know you're far more likely to hit that situation by scheduling teams like Northeastern/UNH/Mankato than you are scheduling Sacred Heart. Plus, scheduling another HE/Big Ten/NCHC team will nudge your RPI a bit.
But I think the bigger advantage (and better argument) is the experience of playing with the "big boys" more. I think playing UND was a better challenge to get the guys to elevate their game. We're not going to get a morale boost from beating an AHL team. We're just going to ask why we didn't sweep them.
Should be a plus for recruiting. Blue chippahs would rather hone their skills against the
BCs than the Browns.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: pjd8Quote from: adamwQuote from: pjd8Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
Cornell has proven that they can beat tough teams and lose to non-tough teams. I don't think there's a huge risk to our win percentage by scheduling all tough teams. I think injuries, how the team is gelling, maturity and headspace of individual athletes, etc, have a bigger influence on how each game will go on a given day.
What scheduling a tough team over a non-tough team does for you is that it gives you an opportunity to win a game that has a potential for winning a pairwise comparison with another team that's on the bubble. Non of the teams right above us in pairwise played Sacred Heart, so we didn't get a H2H comparison benefit from those games.
If we had beaten ASU, we would have won that comparison, and if we had played Mankato instead of Sacred Heart and won, we would have won that comparison. That's without an improvement in RPI in other case. The subsequent RPI improvement might have picked up another comparison, putting us on the right side of the bubble.
True enough - though it's hard to cherrypick a schedule like that. How do you know which teams will be the exact teams on the bubble near you? So - outside of 2 or 3 teams - it doesn't matter. Since there's only 3 criteria, and RPI is the tiebreaker. Usually teams a few more rungs up the ladder have better common opponents and RPI - which means you'd need to beat them 3 times without a loss for H2H to matter. It just so happens there are limited COPs with MinnSt/ASU this year, so the 1 H2H win in your example would've mattered.
Yes, I used those examples because a one game win would flip the comparison. That's not always going to happen, but every once in a while it will.
I agree with you that it's hard to cherry pick for those situations when scheduling is done long before you know who the bubble teams will be. But over years of scheduling, you know you're far more likely to hit that situation by scheduling teams like Northeastern/UNH/Mankato than you are scheduling Sacred Heart. Plus, scheduling another HE/Big Ten/NCHC team will nudge your RPI a bit.
But I think the bigger advantage (and better argument) is the experience of playing with the "big boys" more. I think playing UND was a better challenge to get the guys to elevate their game. We're not going to get a morale boost from beating an AHL team. We're just going to ask why we didn't sweep them.
Should be a plus for recruiting. Blue chippahs would rather hone their skills against the
BCs than the Browns.
Also, that Cornell is "big-league" in hockey compared to SH, just as Cornell is "big-league" in academics compared to virtually all but a few other highly selective institutions. (As the ad says, "A very high level athletically and academically.")
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone heard any rumblings? People are starting to hear stuff and post on the USCHO forum but I haven't seen us mentioned in any of those. Locking down another home and home with a hockey east/B1G/NCHC school would be nice to make sure our OOC schedule is strong enough to be competitive in the pairwise. Do we maybe finally get Arizona state at home after going down there for what seemed like 5 years straight? Find another winter break tournament perhaps? Curious to see how it turns out
Common myth that I don't bother trying to correct people on, except coaches and Ivy League grads :)
playing a "tough schedule" doesn't help you. Playing a tough schedule and winning the games helps you. You can play a crap schedule and win all the games, and it would be the same as playing a "tough" schedule and winning 50%. It's a direct inverse correlation.
My pairwise take is that home/away is overweighted and the best way to hack RPI is to play a lot of road games.
Has anybody studied this? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out the "true" advantage of home ice.
I feel like Adam had numbers proving me wrong last time I said this.
But it feels true, and this is the internet, so I am sticking with it.
Well I'd hope there is some science behind it rather than someone picking .8 out of a hat.
Anyway, holding all else equal, weaker ECAC—>no difference in Pairwise + higher likelihood of winning ECAC tournament. Sounds good to me.
I wouldn't call it a hat, but .8 is certainly more than the home-ice advantage actually is. The intention, however, wasn't straight math - but rather to incentivize top teams to schedule road games. There is a proposal being discussed that would eliminate, or lessen, that edge for playoff games, since you did earn home ice for your playoffs.
Does CHN still calculate KASA? You could use the home advantage from that to figure out the expected RPI-adjusted winning percentage for home and road games. Although it might depend on the ratio of team ratings; it's too late to get a pen and paper and do the calculation right now,
Quote from: pjd8Maybe we're already doing the best we can with scheduling. But it really disappoints me when we play Q in MSG. I see zero benefit to scheduling them for an extra game. Could we really not entice a team like Northeastern, a school that obviously cares about how it is viewed nationally to potential students, to a stage like Madison Square Garden?
Whether or not we can entice the team to play in MSG is not the only consideration. The best Big Red Apple games have been sold out or nearly so because they were against opponents with large, devoted alumni populations in NYC - Michigan, Penn State, UConn, even UNH (and of course BU in the Red Hot Hockey years both has a large, devoted NYC-area following and the benefit of the historical Cornell rivalry). I don't think Northeastern really fits that bill. Of course neither does Quinny, but at a certain point I imagine Coach Schafer was running out of time and options and just picked up the phone hoping not to have to cancel entirely. I suspect that's how we ended up with Harvard in 2018-19, too - but at least they have a solid NYC footing.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: pjd8Maybe we're already doing the best we can with scheduling. But it really disappoints me when we play Q in MSG. I see zero benefit to scheduling them for an extra game. Could we really not entice a team like Northeastern, a school that obviously cares about how it is viewed nationally to potential students, to a stage like Madison Square Garden?
Whether or not we can entice the team to play in MSG is not the only consideration. The best Big Red Apple games have been sold out or nearly so because they were against opponents with large, devoted alumni populations in NYC - Michigan, Penn State, UConn, even UNH (and of course BU in the Red Hot Hockey years both has a large, devoted NYC-area following and the benefit of the historical Cornell rivalry). I don't think Northeastern really fits that bill. Of course neither does Quinny, but at a certain point I imagine Coach Schafer was running out of time and options and just picked up the phone hoping not to have to cancel entirely. I suspect that's how we ended up with Harvard in 2018-19, too - but at least they have a solid NYC footing.
I'd be a little surprised if UNH had a bigger base in NYC than Northeastern, but I have no real data to base that on. I've just always felt that NU was more closely aligned academically than UNH. That may be a private/public thing, as well as which disciplines the schools focus on.
But I'd take any of the schools you listed above over Q. Maybe Notre Dame would also be a good candidate. And yes, sometimes it comes down to who you can get to answer the phone and say yes. More schools will say that if we stay competitive, and more games like that on our schedule will help us stay competitive. I feel like we've lost some of that ground with covid rules.
We've had this debate for years. There's a wish list and then there's logistics and reality. Notre Dame Cornell would likely sell out msg twice over. Michigan has already played. BC seems like an obvious choice but I wonder whether the Boston schools view msg as a Mecca when they play at the Gahden every year. Wisconsin would be good.
it's been so long since michigan was last here. one of the very few that i missed; i remember we wore camo. blech.
Quote from: ugarteit's been so long since michigan was last here. one of the very few that i missed; i remember we wore camo. blech.
At this rate next time we'll wear arm bands.
We still know pretty much nothing about the schedule. I would have expected that we get some games trickling in here and there from other teams schedule releases but we have nothing even though most of the NCHC and some other schools have released their full schedules. We also have no return trips due that are coming off the top of my head so next years schedule really is a mystery outside of red hot hockey. My wish list would be that we get a series with a hockey east team and a big ten team but I doubt it. Just hoping for no Atlantic series after that sacred heart fiasco this year
Based on Casey's history at Clarkson, didn't it often have games with CCHA schools-Northern, Tech, Lake Superior?
Well according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Quote from: 617BigRedWell according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Holy shit they're gonna get smoked
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRedWell according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Holy shit they're gonna get smoked
Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.
Scheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?
Quote from: The RancorScheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?
Doesn't this message contradict itself? If Cornell is a good program likely to beat you, why would your RPI crash when Cornell beats you? If the pairwise is working properly, it doesn't matter who you schedule. The pairwise takes opponent quality into account.
In practice, Cornell has scheduled some strong opposition the past few seasons. Finding good opponents hasn't seemed to be an issue.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRedWell according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Holy shit they're gonna get smoked
Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.
Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRedWell according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Holy shit they're gonna get smoked
Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.
Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...
Yes, but it may be the fast lane to high-level status if your university is committed to facilities, scholarships, NIL, transfer portal, etc.
Located in Nashville, TSU shares the ice hockey market with the Nashville Predators. Nashville also has teams (https://www.nashville.com/sports-teams/) in the NFL, AAA baseball, men's soccer (MLS), and arena football. With a student population of about 8,200, TSU may see a market opportunity, especially if Predator tickets price students out of the ice hockey market.
Also, as a historically black university, TSU starting a men's ice hockey team is somewhat of a seminal event. For the same reason, I would welcome TSU, or another HBCU, starting a D-1 lacrosse team.
TSU also may have needed a men's sport to balance the 7 women's teams it currently has. (Just look at what the current regime in Washington is doing with civil rights and anti-semitism; don't you think they're likely to stand Title 9 on its head and demand equality for
men's sports?)
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRedWell according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Holy shit they're gonna get smoked
Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.
Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...
Yes, but it may be the fast lane to high-level status if your university is committed to facilities, scholarships, NIL, transfer portal, etc.
Located in Nashville, TSU shares the ice hockey market with the Nashville Predators. Nashville also has teams (https://www.nashville.com/sports-teams/) in the NFL, AAA baseball, men's soccer (MLS), and arena football. With a student population of about 8,200, TSU may see a market opportunity, especially if Predator tickets price students out of the ice hockey market.
Also, as a historically black university, TSU starting a men's ice hockey team is somewhat of a seminal event. For the same reason, I would welcome TSU, or another HBCU, starting a D-1 lacrosse team.
TSU also may have needed a men's sport to balance the 7 women's teams it currently has. (Just look at what the current regime in Washington is doing with civil rights and anti-semitism; don't you think they're likely to stand Title 9 on its head and demand equality for men'ssports?)
I didn't realize they were an HBCU- all the more reason to root for them! Did they have an ACHA program before?
Quote from: The RancorI didn't realize they were an HBCU- all the more reason to root for them! Did they have an ACHA program before?
No.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/03/22_Tennessee-State-Hits-Funding.php
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: The RancorScheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?
Doesn't this message contradict itself? If Cornell is a good program likely to beat you, why would your RPI crash when Cornell beats you? If the pairwise is working properly, it doesn't matter who you schedule. The pairwise takes opponent quality into account.
They've tweaked the numbers a few times, so I'm not sure if this is still true, but there were versions of the RPI that cared about opponents' record a lot more than opponents' opponents' record, so playing someone who'd have a good record against weak opposition was actually to your advantage.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: The RancorScheduling for Cornell has to be challenging. Take a chance to get beaten by a good program, playing on the road, with a weak ECAC SOS (EZAC?) Who wants that? At least there's some name recognition for Harvard, Yale and Princeton. What is the benefit of getting pounded by Big Red just to see your RPI crash?
Doesn't this message contradict itself? If Cornell is a good program likely to beat you, why would your RPI crash when Cornell beats you? If the pairwise is working properly, it doesn't matter who you schedule. The pairwise takes opponent quality into account.
They've tweaked the numbers a few times, so I'm not sure if this is still true, but there were versions of the RPI that cared about opponents' record a lot more than opponents' opponents' record, so playing someone who'd have a good record against weak opposition was actually to your advantage.
Yeah, a lot of the fairness in college hockey depends on RPI being calibrated properly. But assuming it is, there should not be a Pairwise benefit or cost to scheduling someone better or worse.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRedWell according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Holy shit they're gonna get smoked
Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.
Arizona State and Tennessee State exist in different athletic department universes. I am rooting for Tennessee State for the same reasons that I am rooting for Morgan State wrestling to work but I am keeping my optimism in check.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRedWell according to 25-26 Schedules thread on USCHO Forum page, we will not be at ASU Desert Classic next season so those dates are now open too...
Also interesting is that Tenn State program is apparently starting with full Div. 1 schedule, starting with BU, Nashville would be a fun future trip to see Red...
Holy shit they're gonna get smoked
Not if they use the portal and NIL to their advantage. Just look at how quickly Arizona State became a serious program.
Aye, but starting your brand-new Div 1 hockey program with a Frozen Four team is asking to get crushed...
Yes, but it may be the fast lane to high-level status if your university is committed to facilities, scholarships, NIL, transfer portal, etc.
Located in Nashville, TSU shares the ice hockey market with the Nashville Predators. Nashville also has teams (https://www.nashville.com/sports-teams/) in the NFL, AAA baseball, men's soccer (MLS), and arena football. With a student population of about 8,200, TSU may see a market opportunity, especially if Predator tickets price students out of the ice hockey market.
Also, as a historically black university, TSU starting a men's ice hockey team is somewhat of a seminal event. For the same reason, I would welcome TSU, or another HBCU, starting a D-1 lacrosse team.
TSU also may have needed a men's sport to balance the 7 women's teams it currently has. (Just look at what the current regime in Washington is doing with civil rights and anti-semitism; don't you think they're likely to stand Title 9 on its head and demand equality for men's sports?)
Didn't know they were a HBCU - that's neat, love to see hockey getting more opportunities! Hopefully they can field a solid team within the next few years. Just find it intriguing that you'd start your schedule against an absolute powerhouse team, even if I can't find the schedule rn. Also seeing the team's having funding issues. Hope they're able to figure something out.
...though somehow I doubt Preds tickets are gonna be super expensive rn LOL.
Clarkson released its schedule, so now we know:
Cornell at Clarkson, Dec. 5
Cornell at St. Lawrence, Dec. 6
Cornell vs. St. Lawrence, Feb. 27
Cornell vs. Clarkson, Feb. 28
I received info today from a friend who is a class officer, that the class officers were told today that Red Hot Hockey vs. BU has been finalized for Nov. 29.
@UMA 10/31, 11/1 https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule
Nice, looks like Casey setting up quality OOC games!
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Nice. Hope they come to Cornell in a year or two. Could be a good Frozen Apple opponent at some
point too.
Another season opener with a good opponent who's already played 5 or so games. Bold. UMass would be excellent at MSG.
The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Quote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.
They are usually off from around 12/10 to the New Year, give or take a few days on either side.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.
Usually, yes. This past season, they played in the ASU tournament the first week of Jan, so there was no home game during winter break. In many other years, there has been a home weekend during that early Jan slot - often they give the unsold/returned tickets to local youth groups, IIRC. When I was in the pep band, there was an effort to get as many as we could to come back to campus early to still have a band for those. I found it enjoyable to just have chill time in Ithaca with friends and no work for a week.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: stereaxQuote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Do they usually schedule men's games during the winter break weeks? They didn't this year, which freed up my travel plans.
Usually, yes. This past season, they played in the ASU tournament the first week of Jan, so there was no home game during winter break. In many other years, there has been a home weekend during that early Jan slot - often they give the unsold/returned tickets to local youth groups, IIRC. When I was in the pep band, there was an effort to get as many as we could to come back to campus early to still have a band for those. I found it enjoyable to just have chill time in Ithaca with friends and no work for a week.
Gotcha, gotcha. Will have to plan around that then. Don't want to miss it :')
Quote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.
Not a sexy opponent and a terrible date but a good opponent and helpful for OOC.
I dont expect Omaha to be good next year but it's a fun opponent that I can't remember ever seeing at lynah, so I'm fine with it.
I like it. Common opponent games against the NCHC are always a good thing.
Quote from: chimpfoodI dont expect Omaha to be good next year but it's a fun opponent that I can't remember ever seeing at lynah, so I'm fine with it.
We opened with two at Lynah against UNO in 2014-15, a 1-1 tie and a 1-2 loss. Their visit was a return favor for our trip to Omaha to open the season in 2013-14 (5-3 and 4-3 wins for the good guys). Those are the only four games we've ever played against them, though, in any context.
Quote from: LetsGoTech16Quote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.
Omaha?
OMAHA???????????
THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I like it. Common opponent games against the NCHC are always a good thing.
Isn't that irrelevant now with the implementation of NPI?
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I like it. Common opponent games against the NCHC are always a good thing.
Isn't that irrelevant now with the implementation of NPI?
I haven't really dug into NPI, so you may be right.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: LetsGoTech16Quote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.
Omaha?
OMAHA???????????
THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE
This begs an explanation.....::help::
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: stereaxQuote from: LetsGoTech16Quote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.
Omaha?
OMAHA???????????
THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE
This begs an explanation.....::help::
Alright sO -
I follow a lot of leagues and a fair amount of teams. One of these teams is from the QMJHL - the Voltigeurs. My silly Q team from the "fake French league", as some have called it. The Volts' captain, an overager, is committed to U Nebraska-Omaha. I happen to have, after about half a year of hostage negotiations, a 1-for-1 Volts jersey of this captain's, signed. Probably one of my most prized possessions. I always figured, given Omaha's in the NCHC, there'd be a bat's chance in hell of ever seeing him play in person.
I'm... probably not showing up in red that weekend.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: LetsGoTech16Quote from: LetsGoTech16The Clarkson women's schedule shows them @Lynah on friday 1/9, a 3pm start. A previous post says Cornell does not have a home ECAC weekend that weekened, maybe expect a home non-conference series 1/9-1/10?
Omaha will be at Lynah Jan 2-3 per their schedule release.
Omaha?
OMAHA???????????
THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE
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What in the heck are these last two posts lol
Since he has the very first post of this thread, it would be nice of Wammer to post the known game dates-opponents in that very first post.
10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Quote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?
Quote from: billhowardSince he has the very first post of this thread, it would be nice of Wammer to post the known game dates-opponents in that very first post.
If Wammer is unable or unwilling to update the first post with the known schedule so far, and keep updating as they become known, we may need a more frequent poster to post a new thread for the 25-26 schedule. Then an admin can pin that thread to the top of the forum.
Quote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
I hate to be that guy, but for me Cornell hockey demands accuracy. It's the 10th time and the 18th anniversary.
Quote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
10th edition, not 10th anniversary. (This game against BU is held every other year, with the off years having different opponents for the Frozen Apple games.)
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?
Yes right, thanks guys - think since is over the Thanksgiving break most students are back home, so ones who can get to game from home & want to attend come but not many fans coming down to NYC from campus that weekend?
Jim (?) is the one who typically does it, closer to the season.
Quote from: 617BigRedQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?
Yes right, thanks guys - think since is over the Thanksgiving break most students are back home, so ones who can get to game from home & want to attend come but not many fans coming down to NYC from campus that weekend?
Man. I'd probably need to get from Ithaca to NYC. I think a decent contingent did it last year...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?
The Campus to Campus (https://fcs.cornell.edu/departments/transportation-delivery-services/campus-campus-bus-service) bus service has daily bus service between Cornell and New York City. You can walk to MSG from the Cornell Club drop-off site.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?
The Campus to Campus (https://fcs.cornell.edu/departments/transportation-delivery-services/campus-campus-bus-service) bus service has daily bus service between Cornell and New York City. You can walk to MSG from the Cornell Club drop-off site.
Hmmm. So take the bus probably Thursday, maybe Friday, find a hotel until Sunday, and bus back seems like the play, right?
Damn why campus bus so expensive? My day ('01-'05) Shortline was much cheaper from what can recall...
Quote from: 617BigRedDamn why campus bus so expensive? My day ('01-'05) Shortline was much cheaper from what can recall...
There are several cheaper bus options outside of Campus to Campus IIRC.
Quote from: 617BigRedDamn why campus bus so expensive? My day ('01-'05) Shortline was much cheaper from what can recall...
FlixBus is relatively cheap if one buys their ticket far enough in advance. And it stops at Penn Station.
C2C you are paying a premium for pickup and dropoff more related to Cornell activities.
You are also paying for a bit nicer ride.
There are many cheaper ways to get to NYC by bus
Quote from: upprdeckC2C you are paying a premium for pickup and dropoff more related to Cornell activities.
You are also paying for a bit nicer ride.
There are many cheaper ways to get to NYC by bus
Well, it's already sold out apparently :( bigredtix has nothing.
I just got great seats at the MSG box in the Cornell section. Should be plenty on ticketmaster if you're willing to pay the fees. I'm not and am lucky enough to be able to mosey over to the box
I'm sorry did you mean bus tickets were sold out?
Quote from: arugulaI'm sorry did you mean bus tickets were sold out?
No no, not bus tickets, haven't checked those yet. Was checking for tickets to the game lol. Bigredtix said they'd put them up today at noon...
Could try ticketmaster but I've never done that before. Scary LOL
https://www.ticketmaster.com/red-hot-hockey-boston-university-v-new-york-new-york-11-29-2025/event/3B0062B0E43326C6
Loads of tickets
Quote from: arugulahttps://www.ticketmaster.com/red-hot-hockey-boston-university-v-new-york-new-york-11-29-2025/event/3B0062B0E43326C6
Loads of tickets
Safe? Where are y'all gonna be sitting? What's the strategy here?
you can place a Cornell section filter on the search. I'm in 224
I've gotten tix walk-up last few years, unless really care where sitting this game Red Hot Hockey or Frozen Apple doesn't sell out anymore def don't have to buy this early...
and don't worry about safe come on everybody's an asshole but nobody takes a swing
You can buy MSG tix thru Cornell via bigredtix.com, which shows
16 different Cornell sections at a range of prices.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: dbilmesQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?
The Campus to Campus (https://fcs.cornell.edu/departments/transportation-delivery-services/campus-campus-bus-service) bus service has daily bus service between Cornell and New York City. You can walk to MSG from the Cornell Club drop-off site.
Hmmm. So take the bus probably Thursday, maybe Friday, find a hotel until Sunday, and bus back seems like the play, right?
Assuming you don't have a friend in the NYC area with a couch.
Does the bus run on Thanksgiving?
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: stereaxQuote from: dbilmesQuote from: stereaxQuote from: 617BigRed10th anniversary of Red Hot Hockey officially confirmed:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-2025-red-hot-hockey-release.aspx
Buses from Ithaca to New York... buses from New York to Ithaca... how does the Cornell contingent usually get to Red Hot?
The Campus to Campus (https://fcs.cornell.edu/departments/transportation-delivery-services/campus-campus-bus-service) bus service has daily bus service between Cornell and New York City. You can walk to MSG from the Cornell Club drop-off site.
Hmmm. So take the bus probably Thursday, maybe Friday, find a hotel until Sunday, and bus back seems like the play, right?
Assuming you don't have a friend in the NYC area with a couch.
Does the bus run on Thanksgiving?
I do not. No idea.
Also, any idea which side we shoot twice on? Squinting at ticketmaster and if it's $60 for the 200s and $85 for the 100s...
Quote from: stereaxAlso, any idea which side we shoot twice on? Squinting at ticketmaster and if it's $60 for the 200s and $85 for the 100s...
An hour before the Nov 2023 game I bought a ticket on the glass. It won't sell out after so many. The ushers are mostly uncaring where you sit/wander. (They mainly make sure people don't enter aisles during play.) it is extremely low-key after the entry metal detectors.
In short, no reason to worry about tickets at this point. Transit on Thanksgiving weekend is more worth the focus.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: stereaxAlso, any idea which side we shoot twice on? Squinting at ticketmaster and if it's $60 for the 200s and $85 for the 100s...
An hour before the Nov 2023 game I bought a ticket on the glass. It won't sell out after so many. The ushers are mostly uncaring where you sit/wander. (They mainly make sure people don't enter aisles during play.) it is extremely low-key after the entry metal detectors.
In short, no reason to worry about tickets at this point. Transit on Thanksgiving weekend is more worth the focus.
Alright, if you say so haha... BU friend has probably scared me with talk about reselling Beanpot tickets for way more than they're worth. (And he's trumping up watching Yegorov for cheap to our Devils group. That's always a bit of a wildcard. I know Eiserman's also a top Isles prospect.)
I don't know if anything's being sponsored to get down to NYC - I think an LLM friend of mine did the Frozen Apple last year (I couldn't, was off in GVA for a conference), but I don't know if he took a bus or drove or what. Looks like OurBus has cheap tickets (https://www.ourbus.com/booknow?origin=Ithaca%2C%20NY&destination=New%20York%2C%20NY&departure_date=11/28/2025&adult=1&return_date=11/30/2025) right now. I'll check their cancellation policy in a minute. And try to figure out a cheap hotel. If there is one in NYC...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: RichHQuote from: stereaxAlso, any idea which side we shoot twice on? Squinting at ticketmaster and if it's $60 for the 200s and $85 for the 100s...
An hour before the Nov 2023 game I bought a ticket on the glass. It won't sell out after so many. The ushers are mostly uncaring where you sit/wander. (They mainly make sure people don't enter aisles during play.) it is extremely low-key after the entry metal detectors.
In short, no reason to worry about tickets at this point. Transit on Thanksgiving weekend is more worth the focus.
Alright, if you say so haha... BU friend has probably scared me with talk about reselling Beanpot tickets for way more than they're worth. (And he's trumping up watching Yegorov for cheap to our Devils group. That's always a bit of a wildcard. I know Eiserman's also a top Isles prospect.)
I don't know if anything's being sponsored to get down to NYC - I think an LLM friend of mine did the Frozen Apple last year (I couldn't, was off in GVA for a conference), but I don't know if he took a bus or drove or what. Looks like OurBus has cheap tickets (https://www.ourbus.com/booknow?origin=Ithaca%2C%20NY&destination=New%20York%2C%20NY&departure_date=11/28/2025&adult=1&return_date=11/30/2025) right now. I'll check their cancellation policy in a minute. And try to figure out a cheap hotel. If there is one in NYC...
Hotels in Manhattan are expensive Thanksgiving weekend. I usually book in the spring and still wind up around $300/night. Occasionally hotels near Wall Street are cheaper, but I have no interest in staying down there.
My strategy is to book a rate I'm comfortable with a flexible cancellation rate and then keep checking. I think in the past I've saved anywhere from $25-$50 a night by keeping an eye on rates over the summer and fall.
Quote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: RichHQuote from: stereaxAlso, any idea which side we shoot twice on? Squinting at ticketmaster and if it's $60 for the 200s and $85 for the 100s...
An hour before the Nov 2023 game I bought a ticket on the glass. It won't sell out after so many. The ushers are mostly uncaring where you sit/wander. (They mainly make sure people don't enter aisles during play.) it is extremely low-key after the entry metal detectors.
In short, no reason to worry about tickets at this point. Transit on Thanksgiving weekend is more worth the focus.
Alright, if you say so haha... BU friend has probably scared me with talk about reselling Beanpot tickets for way more than they're worth. (And he's trumping up watching Yegorov for cheap to our Devils group. That's always a bit of a wildcard. I know Eiserman's also a top Isles prospect.)
I don't know if anything's being sponsored to get down to NYC - I think an LLM friend of mine did the Frozen Apple last year (I couldn't, was off in GVA for a conference), but I don't know if he took a bus or drove or what. Looks like OurBus has cheap tickets (https://www.ourbus.com/booknow?origin=Ithaca%2C%20NY&destination=New%20York%2C%20NY&departure_date=11/28/2025&adult=1&return_date=11/30/2025) right now. I'll check their cancellation policy in a minute. And try to figure out a cheap hotel. If there is one in NYC...
Hotels in Manhattan are expensive Thanksgiving weekend. I usually book in the spring and still wind up around $300/night. Occasionally hotels near Wall Street are cheaper, but I have no interest in staying down there.
My strategy is to book a rate I'm comfortable with a flexible cancellation rate and then keep checking. I think in the past I've saved anywhere from $25-$50 a night by keeping an eye on rates over the summer and fall.
See, the annoying thing is
theoretically I could just crash at my parents' house in NJ. Except I can't, because I don't need them knowing about this.
I'm seeing hostel-type arrangements for $60ish a night in Queens and there's a few spots that're like $120 a night only a few blocks away from MSG. But each has its asterisks...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: RichHQuote from: stereaxAlso, any idea which side we shoot twice on? Squinting at ticketmaster and if it's $60 for the 200s and $85 for the 100s...
An hour before the Nov 2023 game I bought a ticket on the glass. It won't sell out after so many. The ushers are mostly uncaring where you sit/wander. (They mainly make sure people don't enter aisles during play.) it is extremely low-key after the entry metal detectors.
In short, no reason to worry about tickets at this point. Transit on Thanksgiving weekend is more worth the focus.
Alright, if you say so haha... BU friend has probably scared me with talk about reselling Beanpot tickets for way more than they're worth. (And he's trumping up watching Yegorov for cheap to our Devils group. That's always a bit of a wildcard. I know Eiserman's also a top Isles prospect.)
I don't know if anything's being sponsored to get down to NYC - I think an LLM friend of mine did the Frozen Apple last year (I couldn't, was off in GVA for a conference), but I don't know if he took a bus or drove or what. Looks like OurBus has cheap tickets (https://www.ourbus.com/booknow?origin=Ithaca%2C%20NY&destination=New%20York%2C%20NY&departure_date=11/28/2025&adult=1&return_date=11/30/2025) right now. I'll check their cancellation policy in a minute. And try to figure out a cheap hotel. If there is one in NYC...
Hotels in Manhattan are expensive Thanksgiving weekend. I usually book in the spring and still wind up around $300/night. Occasionally hotels near Wall Street are cheaper, but I have no interest in staying down there.
My strategy is to book a rate I'm comfortable with a flexible cancellation rate and then keep checking. I think in the past I've saved anywhere from $25-$50 a night by keeping an eye on rates over the summer and fall.
See, the annoying thing is theoretically I could just crash at my parents' house in NJ. Except I can't, because I don't need them knowing about this.
I'm seeing hostel-type arrangements for $60ish a night in Queens and there's a few spots that're like $120 a night only a few blocks away from MSG. But each has its asterisks...
As someone who didn't go to the Lake Placid 1980 Winter Olympics with some fraternity brothers because my parents said I was in school to study not go to the Olympics, all I can say is if you want to go, don't pass on the opportunity.
Oh yeah. My fraternity brothers were at the gold medal game at the Miracle On Ice.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: RichHQuote from: stereaxAlso, any idea which side we shoot twice on? Squinting at ticketmaster and if it's $60 for the 200s and $85 for the 100s...
An hour before the Nov 2023 game I bought a ticket on the glass. It won't sell out after so many. The ushers are mostly uncaring where you sit/wander. (They mainly make sure people don't enter aisles during play.) it is extremely low-key after the entry metal detectors.
In short, no reason to worry about tickets at this point. Transit on Thanksgiving weekend is more worth the focus.
Alright, if you say so haha... BU friend has probably scared me with talk about reselling Beanpot tickets for way more than they're worth. (And he's trumping up watching Yegorov for cheap to our Devils group. That's always a bit of a wildcard. I know Eiserman's also a top Isles prospect.)
I don't know if anything's being sponsored to get down to NYC - I think an LLM friend of mine did the Frozen Apple last year (I couldn't, was off in GVA for a conference), but I don't know if he took a bus or drove or what. Looks like OurBus has cheap tickets (https://www.ourbus.com/booknow?origin=Ithaca%2C%20NY&destination=New%20York%2C%20NY&departure_date=11/28/2025&adult=1&return_date=11/30/2025) right now. I'll check their cancellation policy in a minute. And try to figure out a cheap hotel. If there is one in NYC...
Hotels in Manhattan are expensive Thanksgiving weekend. I usually book in the spring and still wind up around $300/night. Occasionally hotels near Wall Street are cheaper, but I have no interest in staying down there.
My strategy is to book a rate I'm comfortable with a flexible cancellation rate and then keep checking. I think in the past I've saved anywhere from $25-$50 a night by keeping an eye on rates over the summer and fall.
See, the annoying thing is theoretically I could just crash at my parents' house in NJ. Except I can't, because I don't need them knowing about this.
I'm seeing hostel-type arrangements for $60ish a night in Queens and there's a few spots that're like $120 a night only a few blocks away from MSG. But each has its asterisks...
Check out NJ hotels that you can jump on the Path to get to
Usually cheaper
So if rooms were $150 a night people would be fine with the cost but $300 is too much?
I get a 7 day vacation it adding up but to quibble about $150 for 2 day thing?
Staying in Toledo was about $250 for the hockey NCAA.
Quote from: upprdeckSo if rooms were $150 a night people would be fine with the cost but $300 is too much?
I get a 7 day vacation it adding up but to quibble about $150 for 2 day thing?
Staying in Toledo was about $250 for the hockey NCAA.
If one were a student?
Quote from: upprdeckSo if rooms were $150 a night people would be fine with the cost but $300 is too much?
I get a 7 day vacation it adding up but to quibble about $150 for 2 day thing?
Staying in Toledo was about $250 for the hockey NCAA.
$300 per night for 2 nights is basically the rest of my current bank account, lmfao...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckSo if rooms were $150 a night people would be fine with the cost but $300 is too much?
I get a 7 day vacation it adding up but to quibble about $150 for 2 day thing?
Staying in Toledo was about $250 for the hockey NCAA.
$300 per night for 2 nights is basically the rest of my current bank account, lmfao...
. I personally don't think it's worth it to travel to NYC thanksgiving day weekend just to see a regular season hockey game, but that's just me
Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckSo if rooms were $150 a night people would be fine with the cost but $300 is too much?
I get a 7 day vacation it adding up but to quibble about $150 for 2 day thing?
Staying in Toledo was about $250 for the hockey NCAA.
$300 per night for 2 nights is basically the rest of my current bank account, lmfao...
. I personally don't think it's worth it to travel to NYC thanksgiving day weekend just to see a regular season hockey game, but that's just me
This user has been banned for TWO WEEKS.
Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckSo if rooms were $150 a night people would be fine with the cost but $300 is too much?
I get a 7 day vacation it adding up but to quibble about $150 for 2 day thing?
Staying in Toledo was about $250 for the hockey NCAA.
$300 per night for 2 nights is basically the rest of my current bank account, lmfao...
. I personally don't think it's worth it to travel to NYC thanksgiving day weekend just to see a regular season hockey game, but that's just me
Could always combine it with the Turkey Trot Half Marathon if you're feeling adventurous and need another excuse for the trip. Queens can be quite lovely that time of year, and the hockey game is always a blast.
Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckSo if rooms were $150 a night people would be fine with the cost but $300 is too much?
I get a 7 day vacation it adding up but to quibble about $150 for 2 day thing?
Staying in Toledo was about $250 for the hockey NCAA.
$300 per night for 2 nights is basically the rest of my current bank account, lmfao...
. I personally don't think it's worth it to travel to NYC thanksgiving day weekend just to see a regular season hockey game, but that's just me
It'd be probably the only time I do an MSG game, ever. Plus I'll get to see a Devils prospect in the other net. Plus unfortunately I have BU friends (as well as Devils friends) and might be able to meet up with them. I think factoring all that in makes it worth it. Also I don't celebrate Thanksgiving so that's a wash.
Quote from: ERI personally don't think it's worth it to travel to NYC thanksgiving day weekend just to see a regular season hockey game, but that's just me
It's only worth it if you're from the city or the island. But if you're from the city or the island you're an asshole* anyway so F.U.
* I am from the island, which supports this theory.
Run a half day after Thanksgiving? Lol no thanks - been to every Red Hot & Frozen Apple since started except think 2/3 times, get yourselves to the Garden to cheer for the Red!