"And winners win. That's all I can say about this."
Should be interesting with the suspensions.
Hopefully the guys will be fired up for their teammates and get the DUB
I'll be at the women's game but I'll be checking in on ELynah during the game. I'm hoping the brawl was a turning point for the Big Red. Get the dub.
Well I'll be watching the game on replay later tonight. It would be so cool if they can pour it on in the face of such personnel challenges.
As a fan if things go south I can always switch to watching the first 2 minutes of the Harvard game on a loop.
Go Big Red!!!
Quote from: SnowballWell I'll be watching the game on replay later tonight. It would be so cool if they can pour it on in the face of such personnel challenges.
As a fan if things go south I can always switch to watching the first 2 minutes of the Harvard game on a loop.
Go Big Red!!!
HAHAHAHA! Go Big Red!
https://cornellsun.com/2025/01/30/potential-suspensions-looming-and-lineup-uncertain-mens-hockey-heads-to-north-country/
8 Forwards 8 D and 1 extra skater plus goalie
Quote from: SnowballWell I'll be watching the game on replay later tonight. It would be so cool if they can pour it on in the face of such personnel challenges.
As a fan if things go south I can always switch to watching the first 2 minutes of the Harvard game on a loop.
Go Big Red!!!
Indeed
you can!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bAVlsIrkvU)Or try
this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ds7yUa0RFA&t=6s)
Quote from: fastforward8 Forwards 8 D and 1 extra skater plus goalie
For real?
DeSantis our. Schafer out. 9 d 8 f.
DeSantis out that is.
It's gonna take a miracle
Line chart (https://x.com/JaneMcNally_/status/1885469501317148740/photo/1)
Good news that Murray and mosko return. Could've been worse.
If you're a healthy scratch tonight you're never playing.
Quote from: arugulaGood news that Murray and mosko return. Could've been worse.
Were they hurt?
Believe so. Mosko since summer.
Quote from: TrotskyIf you're a healthy scratch tonight you're never playing.
Who's the healthy scratch(s) tonight? (feeling lazy)
TV up.
Shaf is a healthy scratch per the announcer
Lol
SLU homers well behaved so far. They were even talking up the wrestling team for a bit
Quote from: TrotskyIf you're a healthy scratch tonight you're never playing.
Lmao jesus christ.
But that's nine players of ours out. Jesus. Did all of them get suspended???
Quote from: stereaxBut that's nine players of ours out. Jesus. Did all of them get suspended???
Sounds like the only player suspension we didn't know about before game time was DeSantis, which many expected based on video.
Others are injuries.
ESPN feed is wonky, as usual. Not just our game, but other men's games and women's games as well as women's basketball. What is wrong with these people? It shouldn't be so hard.
Quote from: dag14ESPN feed is wonky, as usual. Not just our game, but other men's games and women's games as well as women's basketball. What is wrong with these people? It shouldn't be so hard.
My ESPN feed has been perfect.
Mine was, until it wasn't.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: stereaxBut that's nine players of ours out. Jesus. Did all of them get suspended???
Sounds like the only player suspension we didn't know about before game time was DeSantis, which many expected based on video.
Others are injuries.
Psenicka and Donaldson are injured?
Yes
Quote from: fastforwardYes
Fuck.
watching basketball and with all the lineup updates i find myself relieved that there hasn't been any [edit: *scoring*, though by the time i noticed my error, SLU scored]
End of 1
1-0 Saints
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: dag14ESPN feed is wonky, as usual. Not just our game, but other men's games and women's games as well as women's basketball. What is wrong with these people? It shouldn't be so hard.
My ESPN feed has been perfect.
I'm stuck in an infinite loop starting with 9:16 left in the 1st. It plays for 29 seconds and goes back to 9:16. I can't fast forward, it goes back to 9:16. I restart the app and it goes back to 9:16. Everything I do just goes back to 9:16.
It's not even Groundhog Day yet.
"The Saints are an alternATE road an home the next five weeks" is my "I Got You Babe."
Espn has not been treating me well. Dartmouth continues to be my most hated team in the ECAC.
The ESPN+ service has been terrible these last few weeks. I had the "stuck at 9:11" experience. Then it jumped to 45 seconds left once I finally got back in.
Quote from: DafatoneEspn has not been treating me well. Dartmouth continues to be my most hated team in the ECAC.
More than harvard??
Nice to see Hank get the reward.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: DafatoneEspn has not been treating me well. Dartmouth continues to be my most hated team in the ECAC.
More than harvard??
Q is the only choice.
Not a night for penalties-no night is but being so short handed is worse
Bancroft has to shoot when he's right in the slot with no defender on him.
And also, I forgot what an annoying home the SLU color guy is.
Question about the line chart: why on earth is there an "extra skater" when we don't even have the full allotment of players?
Quote from: scoop85Bancroft has to shoot when he's right in the slot with no defender on him.
And also, I forgot what an annoying home the SLU color guy is.
ESPN heard you and killed the audio feed for your viewing pleasure.
Quote from: scoop85Bancroft has to shoot when he's right in the slot with no defender on him.
He at least needs to take the space the defense gives him and move up to create better passing angles for scoring opportunities. Second SLU goal looked like seeing-eye pinballing garbage.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: scoop85Bancroft has to shoot when he's right in the slot with no defender on him.
And also, I forgot what an annoying home the SLU color guy is.
ESPN heard you and killed the audio feed for your viewing pleasure.
lol
I was just thinking the same
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: DafatoneEspn has not been treating me well. Dartmouth continues to be my most hated team in the ECAC.
More than harvard??
Q is the only choice.
Oh, Q can go shove it for sure...
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: pjd8Quote from: scoop85Bancroft has to shoot when he's right in the slot with no defender on him.
And also, I forgot what an annoying home the SLU color guy is.
ESPN heard you and killed the audio feed for your viewing pleasure.
lol
I was just thinking the same
Yeah, I sometimes have magical powers ...
And now they're back.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Bancroft has to shoot when he's right in the slot with no defender on him.
He at least needs to take the space the defense gives him and move up to create better passing angles for scoring opportunities. Second SLU goal looked like seeing-eye pinballing garbage.
Woke Hockey. (sorry I couldn't help it)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: DafatoneEspn has not been treating me well. Dartmouth continues to be my most hated team in the ECAC.
More than harvard??
Q is the only choice.
Q is annoying and gross, but Dartmouth's history of goon shit goes unrivaled.
These constant line changes is making for very disjointed play
It would really help if Ian is great down the stretch.
Aaaaand we're starting to look tired before the 2nd is over.
Quote from: RichHAaaaand we're starting to look tired before the 2nd is over.
Seems rather noticeable
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: RichHAaaaand we're starting to look tired before the 2nd is over.
Seems rather noticeable
Yes, definitely
Hopefully we will have more guys in the lineup for tomorrow
Pep Band getting kudos from announcers
Quote from: fastforwardPep Band getting kudos from announcers
That whole sequence was amusing. Color guy getting bent because the pbp was praising them, then they couldn't talk because of "whatever this is..." (the recorded entrance music being too loud.)
"We're trying to talk here!!"
OK this is our chance. Let's get the ppg.
Band sounds awesome
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: scoop85Quote from: RichHAaaaand we're starting to look tired before the 2nd is over.
Seems rather noticeable
Yes, definitely
Hopefully we will have more guys in the lineup for tomorrow
Having our forwards getting defenseman minutes. Fun...
Great first 15 seconds here. Keep winning draws, it will come!
Shots attempts this period are 23-2.
Quote from: TrotskyOK this is our chance. Let's get the ppg.
Too bad we're still allergic to the area between the circles.
Can we dress Keopple and Katz as skaters?
Quote from: stereaxCan we dress Keopple and Katz as skaters?
Nothing would surprise me
Last chance lads.
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: stereaxCan we dress Keopple and Katz as skaters?
Nothing would surprise me
I mean, I'm sure they'd at least appreciate the ice time...
Even with a very depleted lineup, this game was mostly close. Things should be better tomorrow but dropping one to a weak SLU team is not ideal.
I wanted 3 points this weekend. They can still do it.
Not great.
I thought there was a rule preventing players from carrying two sticks. The St. Lawrence player was definitely carrying two sticks when he retrieved the goalie's stick from behind the net.
So much for being inspired.
Quote from: TrotskyI wanted 3 points this weekend. They can still do it.
Well, there's always tomorrow.
Quote from: arugulaSo much for being inspired.
They look tired with all the ice time they're getting. I guess considering all factors it was a fairly close game.
Too bad the breakaway didn't convert
Awful loss. I was at basketball so not watching too close but damn even the odds for a ECAC tournament bye are looking rough at this point.
Quote from: andyw2100I thought there was a rule preventing players from carrying two sticks. The St. Lawrence player was definitely carrying two sticks when he retrieved the goalie's stick from behind the net.
Found the rule:
10.6 Additional sticks - A player or goalkeeper shall not participate in play while in possession of more than one stick, except that a penalty shall not be assessed to a player who is struck accidentally by the puck while carrying a replacement stick to a teammate (see 10.3). PENALTY—Minor.
So perhaps the SLU player wasn't considered to be participating in the play, and thus no penalty?
I mean, this weekend was totally fucked ever since the brawl happened.
the power play at the end was awful even by the standards of this year.
Quote from: BearLoverI mean, this weekend was totally fucked ever since the brawl happened.
Totally. Maybe if they had no injuries they could've absorbed the suspensions but as it is the brawl may well cost them both games. Hopefully the suspensions are all done, but the guys who played tonight are going to be totally gassed tomorrow.
I can't accept that 21 year olds are gassed from one game. They used to joke about 40 year old Chris Chelios playing a full 60. He didn't but he routinely played 30. For a young player who plays two games a week to have his minutes bumped from 18 to 22 or whatever. Not so bad. Not buying it. Don't mean to seem harsh but tonight looked to me like they were not sharp. They haven't been sharp all season.
I attribute it to ice time and the constant line changes, but that's just my opinion
Quote from: arugulaThey used to joke about 40 year old Chris Chelios playing a full 60.
But that was beers in his hotel room (https://www.vice.com/en/article/when-american-hockey-players-destroyed-the-olympic-village-in-nagano/) after the game.
The injuries, the Dartmouth-game suspensions, the suspension of the head coach, all those explain the 2-1 loss to St. Lawrence. But does it excuse losing to one of the two bottom teams, St. Lawrence, 11 ECAC points, when we cruised past the other 11-point team, Princeton, twice.
Before the Dartmouth debacle last weekend, I thought Cornell could win out (RS) and wind up with the four-spot and maybe the three for the ECACs. Now, geez, we have to take part on the play-in round March 7 or 8.
Schafer truly going out with a whimper. Suspended for two games this weekend. At his son's wedding next weekend. One more home weekend, then it looks like the one-off playoff and that's it for Lynah. Really snuck up on us. I hope by some miracle they can get hot and at least get the added game by earning a bye.
Quote from: arugulaSchafer truly going out with a whimper. Suspended for two games this weekend. At his son's wedding next weekend. One more home weekend, then it looks like the one-off playoff and that's it for Lynah. Really snuck up on us. I hope by some miracle they can get hot and at least get the added game by earning a bye.
People didn't like it when, earlier this season, I said we were well on our way to the most disappointing year in Schafer's 30 years. Barring a miracle, now there is no doubt.
Where did you read Schafer is suspended 2 games, BTW? Are the other suspended players also out 2 games?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaSchafer truly going out with a whimper. Suspended for two games this weekend. At his son's wedding next weekend. One more home weekend, then it looks like the one-off playoff and that's it for Lynah. Really snuck up on us. I hope by some miracle they can get hot and at least get the added game by earning a bye.
People didn't like it when, earlier this season, I said we were well on our way to the most disappointing year in Schafer's 30 years. Barring a miracle, now there is no doubt.
Where did you read Schafer is suspended 2 games, BTW? Are the other suspended players also out 2 games?
Not "official", but: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/01/31_Cornell-Dartmouth-Receive.php
To get a bye, this team basically can't afford to drop any further games against teams below them in the standings and will also need to take the majority of points in the games against Union and Clarkson. The best case scenario is a 4th place finish I think
Quote from: IcebergTo get a bye, this team basically can't afford to drop any further games against teams below them in the standings and will also need to take the majority of points in the games against Union and Clarkson. The best case scenario is a 4th place finish I think
With the schedule they have left they
should be able to run the table, with the exceptions of Clarkson and Union away. Clarkson has a more difficult schedule.
But this year... ::bugeye::
It's February and we have one road win.
yesterday was just another example of what kills this team
a period where you outshoot a team 13-4 get multiple PPs and pull the goalie for extended time and still can't score.
Breakways, pipes, open nets, goalie makes good saves.
we are -20 in PP goals to some teams. almost a full goal a game on just the PP
Castagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I think the UHC has a whole bevy of other prospects they're looking at before thinking about Castagna...
That's a shame. Usually a third rounder gets at least a look.
Quote from: arugulaVery few players look so good while getting nothing done.
Tony Romano has entered the chat. At least Castagna can get through the neutral zone without getting knocked on his ass every time
Quote from: arugulaThat's a shame. Usually a third rounder gets at least a look.
UHC has one of the deeper prospect pools in the league, too, though.
Makes sense. Lots of high picks.
In a normal year, I'd put a big honking asterisk next to this game and chalk the result up to the suspensions. That much disruption to the lines results in a lack of coordination, which seemed pretty apparent to me.
Plus, as it seems to go this year, another loss on a bad bounce. That second goal was about as flukey as they come.
Oh well. Let's get hot down the stretch and make some postseason noise.
Quote from: DafatoneIn a normal year, I'd put a big honking asterisk next to this game and chalk the result up to the suspensions. That much disruption to the lines results in a lack of coordination, which seemed pretty apparent to me.
Plus, as it seems to go this year, another loss on a bad bounce. That second goal was about as flukey as they come.
Oh well. Let's get hot down the stretch and make some postseason noise.
Yep. Pretty sure that's the hope atp, that the boys get it together for the playoffs.
Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum. And
I post on this forum.
Obviously we each have opinions and all that. But this just leaves me mystified. We aren't even watching the same universe.
Quote from: arugulaVery few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
Makeup is ready for you, sir. Steven A. Smith called in sick.
Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
I single out Castagna because of the promise he showed last year and the high draft bias. If you think that two goals plus one empty net shows he's been good ok. Results business. He's relied upon to score. For example, Walsh with similarly high expectations has met them. JC while good at the dots and reasonably responsible hasn't. I see puck possession but not much else. Please educate me. If this is the craziest thing you've seen on this board I'm rather surprised and you're buying next time in Ithaca.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: arugulaVery few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
Makeup is ready for you, sir. Steven A. Smith called in sick.
If I can get his paycheck too tell me where to report.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum. And I post on this forum.
Obviously we each have opinions and all that. But this just leaves me mystified. We aren't even watching the same universe.
I think you may need to give these folks a call: https://act.alz.org/site/Donation2?df_id=51079&51079.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=giving_google&s_subsrc=giving_google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nX1rYPaemb-EdMSck3YSrc-N2x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3eafx5mjiwMVOWJHAR2-hgB5EAAYAiAAEgKV0vD_BwE
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......
A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum. And I post on this forum.
Obviously we each have opinions and all that. But this just leaves me mystified. We aren't even watching the same universe.
I think you may need to give these folks a call: https://act.alz.org/site/Donation2?df_id=51079&51079.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=giving_google&s_subsrc=giving_google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nX1rYPaemb-EdMSck3YSrc-N2x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3eafx5mjiwMVOWJHAR2-hgB5EAAYAiAAEgKV0vD_BwE
Ignoring the ad hominem, please explain what I'm missing in expressing disappointment that a scorer is not scoring.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: arugulaVery few players look so good while getting nothing done.
Tony Romano has entered the chat. At least Castagna can get through the neutral zone without getting knocked on his ass every time
Tony was a lower pick. Lower assumed skill level.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum. And I post on this forum.
Obviously we each have opinions and all that. But this just leaves me mystified. We aren't even watching the same universe.
I think you may need to give these folks a call: https://act.alz.org/site/Donation2?df_id=51079&51079.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=giving_google&s_subsrc=giving_google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nX1rYPaemb-EdMSck3YSrc-N2x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3eafx5mjiwMVOWJHAR2-hgB5EAAYAiAAEgKV0vD_BwE
Ignoring the ad hominem, please explain what I'm missing in expressing disappointment that a scorer is not scoring.
I thought he was criticizing Trotsky's post. It shouldn't be controversial to say that the most talented player on the team having two goals and under half a point per game (excluding ENG) is a major disappointment.
As to the point about injuries...Castagna's line and the top PP unit have been healthy for the significant majority of the season.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......
A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.
Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: billhowardMakeup is ready for you, sir. Steven A. Smith called in sick.
If I can get his paycheck too tell me where to report.
In the North Country. At the mouth of the St. Lawrence.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: arugulaQuote from: billhowardMakeup is ready for you, sir. Steven A. Smith called in sick.
If I can get his paycheck too tell me where to report.
In the North Country. At the mouth of the St. Lawrence.
Not sure if that's supposed to be an insult. Must be the Alzheimer's.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: pjd8Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......
A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.
Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: pjd8Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......
A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.
Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Honestly I'm tiring of all the excuses
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: pjd8Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......
A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.
Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Honestly I'm tiring of all the excuses
Considering the short handed status, hefty on ice minutes for those skating, and some of them being ill - I tend to be sympathetic rather than having unrealistic expectations.
Maybe you can suit up so we can field a full roster
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: pjd8Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......
A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.
Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Honestly I'm tiring of all the excuses
Considering the short handed status, hefty on ice minutes for those skating, and some of them being ill - I tend to be sympathetic rather than having unrealistic expectations
I'm sympathetic that this has been an overall unfortunate year, but: Cornell isn't the only team with injuries and or the flu. This was supposed to be a really good team. The constant losing is repeatedly explained away with excuses about injuries, illness, basically anything OTHER than taking accountability for bad execution, lack of talent, bad coaching, or whatever is actually going on.
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: fastforwardQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: pjd8Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.
Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......
A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.
Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Honestly I'm tiring of all the excuses
Considering the short handed status, hefty on ice minutes for those skating, and some of them being ill - I tend to be sympathetic rather than having unrealistic expectations.
If true, this team is full of schlemiels and schemozzles.
I think it's fair to be disappointed by Castagna's production.
It's a little much to say the Utah Soon-to-be-Mammoth-Singular-not-Mammoths-Plural-for-no-reason-whatsoever need to be any more than slightly concerned. Down years happen.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum. And I post on this forum.
Obviously we each have opinions and all that. But this just leaves me mystified. We aren't even watching the same universe.
I think you may need to give these folks a call: https://act.alz.org/site/Donation2?df_id=51079&51079.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=giving_google&s_subsrc=giving_google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nX1rYPaemb-EdMSck3YSrc-N2x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3eafx5mjiwMVOWJHAR2-hgB5EAAYAiAAEgKV0vD_BwE
Ignoring the ad hominem, please explain what I'm missing in expressing disappointment that a scorer is not scoring.
Sorry, that was directed at Trotsky. I'm on your side on this.
Quote from: DafatoneI think it's fair to be disappointed by Castagna's production.
It's a little much to say the Utah Soon-to-be-Mammoth-Singular-not-Mammoths-Plural-for-no-reason-whatsoever need to be any more than slightly concerned. Down years happen.
Fair
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: arugulaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment. Very few players look so good while getting nothing done. The Utahns should be concerned.
I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum. And I post on this forum.
Obviously we each have opinions and all that. But this just leaves me mystified. We aren't even watching the same universe.
I think you may need to give these folks a call: https://act.alz.org/site/Donation2?df_id=51079&51079.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=giving_google&s_subsrc=giving_google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nX1rYPaemb-EdMSck3YSrc-N2x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3eafx5mjiwMVOWJHAR2-hgB5EAAYAiAAEgKV0vD_BwE
Ignoring the ad hominem, please explain what I'm missing in expressing disappointment that a scorer is not scoring.
Sorry, that was directed at Trotsky. I'm on your side on this.
Gotcha.
Still haven't heard any reason why I'm wrong, only that it's a "crazy opinion"
Quote from: arugulaStill haven't heard any reason why I'm wrong, only that it's a "crazy opinion"
Welcome to the club
Quote from: DafatoneI think it's fair to be disappointed by Castagna's production.
It's a little much to say the Utah Soon-to-be-Mammoth-Singular-not-Mammoths-Plural-for-no-reason-whatsoever need to be any more than slightly concerned. Down years happen.
Sophomore slumps are very much a thing, and Robertson and Castagna (more mildly) are in 'em.
Quote from: arugulaI single out Castagna because of the promise he showed last year and the high draft bias. If you think that two goals plus one empty net shows he's been good ok. Results business. He's relied upon to score. For example, Walsh with similarly high expectations has met them. JC while good at the dots and reasonably responsible hasn't. I see puck possession but not much else. Please educate me. If this is the craziest thing you've seen on this board I'm rather surprised and you're buying next time in Ithaca.
"Accomplishing anything" is well beyond goal count.
Castagna is our most feared player on the ice for the opposition. He attracts the strongest defender. They tweak their positional play to account for him. He typically has guys playing inside his sweater. You watch hockey. You know all the things guys do without showing up on the scorecard.
If you are saying Castagna has the largest gap between talent and goals, then that is a reasonable statement (although DeSantis and this year Robertson might make an argument). But to say "without accomplishing anything" is the type of 2024 overdramatization which... well... somebody already make the Stephen A. Smith joke.
Quote from: arugulaStill haven't heard any reason why I'm wrong, only that it's a "crazy opinion"
You asked me to explain myself at 2:15. I responded
as soon as I read your reply. You stamped your foot at 3:48. Come on, son.
Time was, I was the most obnoxious and immature poster on this forum.
Now I'm not even top 5.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaI single out Castagna because of the promise he showed last year and the high draft bias. If you think that two goals plus one empty net shows he's been good ok. Results business. He's relied upon to score. For example, Walsh with similarly high expectations has met them. JC while good at the dots and reasonably responsible hasn't. I see puck possession but not much else. Please educate me. If this is the craziest thing you've seen on this board I'm rather surprised and you're buying next time in Ithaca.
"Accomplishing anything" is well beyond goal count.
Castagna is our most feared player on the ice for the opposition. He attracts the strongest defender. They tweak their positional play to account for him. He typically has guys playing inside his sweater. You watch hockey. You know all the things guys do without showing up on the scorecard....
I agree with this. I think JC doesn't have a lot of faith on his teammates and it leads to too much hero ball. He's fun to watch and i think he'd look a lot better if he either adjusted to the teams' style or had teammates that could keep up. I don't think Utah had to worry even if he has to worry about fighting through the players ahead of him on the depth chart.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaI single out Castagna because of the promise he showed last year and the high draft bias. If you think that two goals plus one empty net shows he's been good ok. Results business. He's relied upon to score. For example, Walsh with similarly high expectations has met them. JC while good at the dots and reasonably responsible hasn't. I see puck possession but not much else. Please educate me. If this is the craziest thing you've seen on this board I'm rather surprised and you're buying next time in Ithaca.
"Accomplishing anything" is well beyond goal count.
Castagna is our most feared player on the ice for the opposition. He attracts the strongest defender. They tweak their positional play to account for him. He typically has guys playing inside his sweater. You watch hockey. You know all the things guys do without showing up on the scorecard....
I agree with this. I think JC doesn't have a lot of faith on his teammates and it leads to too much hero ball. He's fun to watch and i think he'd look a lot better if he either adjusted to the teams' style or had teammates that could keep up. I don't think Utah had to worry even if he has to worry about fighting through the players ahead of him on the depth chart.
I agree with this. The hero ball thing drives me nuts. I'm well aware of the little things that go on in a game which make a player effective. If by taking all that pressure from opposing defenders, his play set up others that would be accomplishing something. Maybe accomplishing nothing is an exaggeration but accomplishing a lot less than you would hope I think is accurate because for all the work he does, the main objective, someone scoring, isn't happening.
Really nice backhand assist on Mack's goal, though.
Quote from: George64Really nice backhand assist on Mack's goal, though.
Never said he wasn't highly skilled. That's sort of the point. Two goals and 8 assists for a guy with that skill is disappointing.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: George64Really nice backhand assist on Mack's goal, though.
Never said he wasn't highly skilled. That's sort of the point. Two goals and 8 assists for a guy with that skill is disappointing.
He's listed as 5th on the stat line behind
Walsh 9g 8a +/- 0
Bancroft 8g 4a -1
Kraft 6g 5a +8
Pseniska 5g 6a +1
Castagna 3g 8a -3
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: George64Really nice backhand assist on Mack's goal, though.
Never said he wasn't highly skilled. That's sort of the point. Two goals and 8 assists for a guy with that skill is disappointing.
this is tricky, because people keep responding to you, but you don't have to restate the premise of your opinion every time someone points out that they think he's good. the value in letting it go is that eventually everyone forgets about it and someone brings up ned harkness coaching lacrosse and the circle of life goes on.
Imagine Gretzkys numbers if made the same great passes to guys who couldnt score.
But then again. If you take away half is assists he still almost leads the NHl in all time pts.
Today Scott Wheeler of the Athletic came out with his Utah prospect rankings and listed Castagna #13 on a very deep Utah prospect pool (he has Utah as having the 7th best prospect pool in the NHL). In earlier team rankings he included Walsh, Veillieux, and Stanley in the top 15 of their respective NHL team's rankings.
Quote from: scoop85Today Scott Wheeler of the Athletic came out with his Utah prospect rankings and listed Castagna #13 on a very deep Utah prospect pool (he has Utah as having the 7th best prospect pool in the NHL). In earlier team rankings he included Walsh, Veillieux, and Stanley in the top 15 of their respective NHL team's rankings.
To be fair, though, the Bruins (30) and Sens (27) have a shit prospect pool (outside of Yakemchuk) and the Isles (25) have a few high end talent picks (Eiserman, George) but not much else.
On Walsh (5): "This is where the Bruins' pool really starts to tail off (which isn't a commentary on Walsh, who is a nice story)." "His challenge will be that he's not a grinder type and I'm not sure his game offensively is going to be quite dynamic enough to get him to the NHL."
On Veilleux (11): "It'll be years before the Islanders know what they have in Veilleux in terms of NHL potential but he should become a heady NCAA defenseman who can contribute at both ends."
On Stanley (13): "doesn't have a high ceiling but he could become a third-pairing option in time."
On Castagna (13): "Last year, he posted 25 points in 35 games at Cornell, good for fourth on the team in scoring. This year, though his production has plateaued on a weaker Cornell team, Castagna has continued to be a regular contributor at five-on-five and on both special teams as a teenager." "By all accounts, he was a special kid at SAC, where he excelled in the classroom, on the lacrosse field and also in theater, too. He's worth monitoring for his athleticism and speed."
Quote from: stereaxOn Castagna (13): "Last year, he posted 25 points in 35 games at Cornell, good for fourth on the team in scoring. This year, though his production has plateaued on a weaker Cornell team, Castagna has continued to be a regular contributor at five-on-five and on both special teams as a teenager." "By all accounts, he was a special kid at SAC, where he excelled in the classroom, on the lacrosse field and also in theater, too. He's worth monitoring for his athleticism and speed."
Jesus, in one person the best of Ken Dryden, Rob Pannell and Christopher Reeve. After his pro days are ended, bring Castagna back as a Master in Hans Bethe House.
Quote from: scoop85Bancroft has to shoot when he's right in the slot with no defender on him.
He's got a great shot. We've seen it before. One thing in addition to shooting more that I would like to see him improve on is skating with the puck or skating hard to a spot in the offensive zone. I've seen a few times this season where he gets the puck and just cruises. There was a chance he had against Harvard on a two on one where he got the puck in a great spot but because he was coasting it allowed the goalie to get over in time to make the save. He's got what it takes to play at the next level. Hopefully we get to see him continue to refine his game by the time he departs.