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Title: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 10:30:48 AM
The rink sold out for this game months ago but there are quite a few tickets on sale at Stubhub. Not sure what to expect tonight given the past two weekends
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 17, 2025, 11:36:56 AM
Call me crazy but I think this weekend will be the start of the turnaround
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: upprdeck on January 17, 2025, 12:23:31 PM
as bad as its been going we are still pretty good in betting odds to win the title. still the top pick in the ECAC
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: HeafDog on January 17, 2025, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodCall me crazy but I think this weekend will be the start of the turnaround

chimpfood: you are crazy
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: arugula on January 17, 2025, 12:52:59 PM
Quote from: upprdeckas bad as its been going we are still pretty good in betting odds to win the title. still the top pick in the ECAC

Lagging indicator?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Dafatone on January 17, 2025, 01:05:20 PM
I'm generally optimistic, but we do tend to struggle at Princeton.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: fastforward on January 17, 2025, 02:00:30 PM
Please post updates for those of us that can't be there
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: BearLover on January 17, 2025, 02:03:21 PM
Quote from: upprdeckas bad as its been going we are still pretty good in betting odds to win the title. still the top pick in the ECAC
I'm sorry, but this is insane. I don't know much about betting odds but is it possible nobody has bet on this and so the odds haven't been updated? We are far out from even getting a bye. Quinnipiac should be the clear favorite.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: VIEWfromK on January 17, 2025, 02:20:54 PM
DirecTV says it's on SNY tonight....and replayed tomorrow...and replayed Sunday.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: DafatoneI'm generally optimistic, but we do tend to struggle at Princeton.

Hardly. Last year was an anomaly. That was the first loss in at least over 5 years at Princeton. The games are typically close, though, whereas at Lynah it's usually a Cornell blowout
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Dafatone on January 17, 2025, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneI'm generally optimistic, but we do tend to struggle at Princeton.

Hardly. Last year was an anomaly. That was the first loss in at least over 5 years at Princeton. The games are typically close, though, whereas at Lynah it's usually a Cornell blowout

Confirmation bias, maybe. I went to one game at Princeton in the 00s and we lost. So every time it happens, I notice.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: upprdeck on January 17, 2025, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: upprdeckas bad as its been going we are still pretty good in betting odds to win the title. still the top pick in the ECAC
I'm sorry, but this is insane. I don't know much about betting odds but is it possible nobody has bet on this and so the odds haven't been updated? We are far out from even getting a bye. Quinnipiac should be the clear favorite.

I have no idea.  But we were 20-1 and now 28-1. So it has moved.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Tom Lento on January 17, 2025, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodCall me crazy but I think this weekend will be the start of the turnaround

I hope you're right. Did they lose a couple more guys to injury last weekend, or did I imagine reading that somewhere?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ugarte on January 17, 2025, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: upprdeckas bad as its been going we are still pretty good in betting odds to win the title. still the top pick in the ECAC
I'm sorry, but this is insane. I don't know much about betting odds but is it possible nobody has bet on this and so the odds haven't been updated? We are far out from even getting a bye. Quinnipiac should be the clear favorite.
if we could post gifs this would be the first time i hit someone with the ***triggered*** (please do not post this, anyone else)
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ACM on January 17, 2025, 06:40:12 PM
Lineup changes, according to WHCU pregame: Keopple in goal, Major out injured, O'Brien and Rayhill(!) playing up front.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 06:43:39 PM
I've been rereading The Sun Also Rises.  Fuck Princeton.  Those people are awful.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: marty on January 17, 2025, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: TrotskyI've been rereading The Sun Also Rises.  Fuck Princeton.  Those people are awful.

What do you expect?  It's only been a century. Patience.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 06:56:02 PM
Quote from: marty
Quote from: TrotskyI've been rereading The Sun Also Rises.  Fuck Princeton.  Those people are awful.

What do you expect?  It's only been a century. Patience.

(https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1024/1*KaX0_0-8hVdgeEUaOUdgRQ.jpeg)Class of 1992
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 17, 2025, 07:03:52 PM
O'Brien and rayhill on the same forward line is brutal, let's gut one out.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 07:04:39 PM
Those of you not at the game in person should consider yourselves lucky. You missed the very...bizarre music selections and puck drop ritual that was a clear posterization display by a rink sponsor.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:11:09 PM
These announcers are good.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:11:59 PM
Woof.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 17, 2025, 07:16:28 PM
Let's hold goalie tryouts when students get back.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 07:16:57 PM
Soft Princeton goal.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 07:18:48 PM
Nice move by Walsh

1 - 1
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: pjd8 on January 17, 2025, 07:18:54 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: iceSoft Princeton goal.

It was actually a very good shot through a screen. Never a good idea to let a guy just skate up the slot like that.


And Walsh basically scores the same way after good work in the neutral zone except he didn't need a screen
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:20:35 PM
Quote from: iceSoft Princeton goal.
No; screened and deflected.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:21:10 PM
Walsh really blew past those guys.  Loved the no drama shot.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:22:06 PM
Exploding after the Walsh goal.  3 or 4 near misses.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: stereax on January 17, 2025, 07:24:40 PM
Y'ello. How we lookin?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: arugula on January 17, 2025, 07:27:06 PM
Will Liam Steele be the new Rayhill?  Happy for Rayhill.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: stereaxY'ello. How we lookin?

Much better than some prior games. Princeton being beaten in the neutral zone, which is making a large difference in Cornell's ability to make plays in transition
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 07:30:01 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: iceSoft Princeton goal.
No; screened and deflected.

He should have grabbed it.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 07:30:24 PM
2 - 1
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:30:48 PM
Great pass by Psenicka.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: stereax on January 17, 2025, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: stereaxY'ello. How we lookin?

Much better than some prior games. Princeton being beaten in the neutral zone, which is making a large difference in Cornell's ability to make plays in transition
Love it!!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: BearLover on January 17, 2025, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: iceSoft Princeton goal.
No; screened and deflected.
While there may have been a deflection and/or a screen, the shot was from outside. I think Keopple had time to adjust and stop it.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: stereax on January 17, 2025, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: TrotskyGreat pass by Psenicka.
God I love that guy so much. Feels like he's always doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:36:11 PM
"Digs his nubs in"?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:37:36 PM
Ping
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: billhoward on January 17, 2025, 07:38:31 PM
As in "...that bouncing shot might have had a chance of going in ... for sure."

Editorial  neutrality matters now that Trump took ABC for $15 million. Cruz '92 may have one of his interns monitoring the feed.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:38:59 PM
Really good shift there to finish it.  Great period.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 07:39:18 PM
Good period for Cornell.  I saw one post and one crossbar.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: stereax on January 17, 2025, 07:39:58 PM
More of that, please!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:43:21 PM
Bill Cleary looks exactly like Rudy Giuliani now.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: The Rancor on January 17, 2025, 07:50:30 PM
Period One Thoughts:

Remi would have saved that if he was 6-12 inches further out. Soft, unfortunate. But, I guess some of us got their wish to see him start. I'm not mad about it.
Cornell looking like Cornell on the ice- the fore-check, the hustle. Maybe need to see a little more body on body. LGR!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 07:55:47 PM
Devlin?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: BearLover on January 17, 2025, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: The RancorPeriod One Thoughts:

Remi would have saved that if he was 6-12 inches further out. Soft, unfortunate. But, I guess some of us got their wish to see him start. I'm not mad about it.
Cornell looking like Cornell on the ice- the fore-check, the hustle. Maybe need to see a little more body on body. LGR!
Well, I wanted him to start last Saturday against SHU when the game didn't matter. As for the goal, I think it was soft despite the slight screen/deflection. Need to see more being judging Keopple though. Still too early.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 08:00:09 PM
Psenicka's shot hit something before it got to Kovich. He definitely set that up by actually shooting the puck though.

And Keopple basically swept away what looked to be a sure goal after some funky deflections
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 08:00:12 PM
Big save by Keopple.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 08:00:15 PM
This has been the Rego-Suda show so far.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 08:01:46 PM
3 - 1 Bancroft.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 08:02:59 PM
Good hard working goal.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 08:03:42 PM
It would be great if Bancroft and Castagna started potting them, especially on pp.  They are so important.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 08:05:17 PM
Recommendation: Port City (Alexandria) Monkspell.  It's a Tripel and it legit holds up against the Pantheon.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: RichH on January 17, 2025, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: ice3 - 1 Bancroft.

Nice to see us actually jumping on rebounds for a change. Among all the other things that haven't been up to snuff, having dominance in the slot has been lacking lately.

That one had both Bancroft and Walsh with a chance on it.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: RichH on January 17, 2025, 08:08:33 PM
Quote from: TrotskyRecommendation: Port City (Alexandria) Monkspell.  It's a Tripel and it legit holds up against the Pantheon.

Port City has become my favorite DC-area brewery. Solid all around.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 08:12:27 PM
LOL. What was that guy doing?  It's not like it helped with the play or positioning any.  He just had the notion to mount him.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 08:16:56 PM
We never got inside.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 08:18:11 PM
Un-energetic Cornell PP.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 08:24:31 PM
Ufda.  Official time of Harvard's 4th goal at Dartmouth: second period, 20:00.0
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 17, 2025, 08:25:30 PM
Feels like Walsh wins a lot of his faceoffs but also gets kicked out a bunch
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 08:26:23 PM
Kraft tips a Robertson shot.  4 -1
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: dag14 on January 17, 2025, 08:26:27 PM
Deflection in front; nicely done
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 08:33:40 PM
Getting chippy at the end of P 2.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: BearLover on January 17, 2025, 08:33:44 PM
Keopple has looked good other than the goal
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 17, 2025, 08:34:36 PM
Great period, I think keopple has to start tmrw if he keeps them at 1.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Dafatone on January 17, 2025, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: The RancorPeriod One Thoughts:

Remi would have saved that if he was 6-12 inches further out. Soft, unfortunate. But, I guess some of us got their wish to see him start. I'm not mad about it.
Cornell looking like Cornell on the ice- the fore-check, the hustle. Maybe need to see a little more body on body. LGR!

My worry with Keopple is that he never seems to come out to challenge shots.

He's playing well tonight, all things considered.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: dbilmes on January 17, 2025, 08:42:19 PM
Why couldn't Cornell have played like this last weekend when I was watching both games in person? And tomorrow night I'll be in Hamden, where I will be expecting the worst and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ugarte on January 17, 2025, 08:44:20 PM
Missed the first period entirely, listened to the second. Sounded like Keopple did a great job that period and that the ice was tilted toward the P goalie.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ugarte on January 17, 2025, 08:55:51 PM
what a beauty from castagna
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 08:55:52 PM
Castagna makes it 5-1
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: George64 on January 17, 2025, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: TrotskyIt would be great if Bancroft and Castagna started potting them, especially on pp.  They are so important.

Done.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 08:57:14 PM
Second Princeton PP this period.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ugarte on January 17, 2025, 08:57:30 PM
i want to see a successful pk followed by rayhill triple-shifting for glory
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Give My Regards on January 17, 2025, 09:02:01 PM
"Ze-bee-ska"?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 17, 2025, 09:02:18 PM
Shoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 09:06:02 PM
Lots of after the whistle poking.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 17, 2025, 09:07:11 PM
This would be so soft, not even a bad scrum at all.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 09:08:54 PM
A face masking major. That's a rarity
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 09:09:38 PM
Kovich gets a 5 for hitting a P-man in the head with his hand.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 09:14:44 PM
5 - 2 PPG
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: dbilmes on January 17, 2025, 09:14:46 PM
Princeton's Wang scores his first career goal to make it 5-2.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 09:15:11 PM
I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 09:17:03 PM
9 mins of PP time for Princeton this period.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 09:23:23 PM
Just get out of here now without injuries or DQs.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 09:24:15 PM
That was a perfect deflection by Walsh
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 09:24:43 PM
Accidental goal.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 09:24:57 PM
Bancroft PPG through traffic. 6-2
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 09:28:27 PM
RAYHILL ICE TIME BITCHES!!!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: sah67 on January 17, 2025, 09:29:40 PM
"DeSantis, the water bug"
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 17, 2025, 09:30:20 PM
It's better than losing. -- Nuke LaLouche
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: The Rancor on January 17, 2025, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: TrotskyI hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?

Thank you for saying it.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ice on January 17, 2025, 09:35:57 PM
Keopple played a good game after he got warmed up.  

All the shoving/punching was surprising.  Don't know who the instigators were but Cornell needs to be more disciplined, no matter what.  

The biggest difference between Princeton and Sacred Heart was their goalies.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: BearLover on January 17, 2025, 10:05:11 PM
Cornell had a lot of puck luck in this game. Per CHN's xG stat,* our expected goals were 2.4 and Princeton's was 1.9. Cornell exceeded xG by 3.6 and Princeton by .1. This suggests Keopple played an average game, overall.

*AFAIK the CHN xG stat only takes into account shot location, not type of shot or other variables considered by more advanced xG models commonly used. I would guess that the CHN xG stat is more reliable than a layperson's own eyes, despite its limitations, which is why I reference it here. I don't have access to the more advanced xG models, though they seem to be out there for college hockey (eg. the RPI hockey blog seems to reference them).
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Dafatone on January 17, 2025, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: BearLoverCornell had a lot of puck luck in this game. Per CHN's xG stat,* our expected goals were 2.4 and Princeton's was 1.9. Cornell exceeded xG by 3.6 and Princeton by .1. This suggests Keopple played an average game, overall.

*AFAIK the CHN xG stat only takes into account shot location, not type of shot or other variables considered by more advanced xG models commonly used. I would guess that the CHN xG stat is more reliable than a layperson's own eyes, despite its limitations, which is why I reference it here. I don't have access to the more advanced xG models, though they seem to be out there for college hockey (eg. the RPI hockey blog seems to reference them).

Princeton played better than the final score. To keep beating the same drum, we were able to clear a bit of space down low on both ends and that seemed to make the difference.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: The Rancor on January 17, 2025, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: BearLoverCornell had a lot of puck luck in this game. Per CHN's xG stat,* our expected goals were 2.4 and Princeton's was 1.9. Cornell exceeded xG by 3.6 and Princeton by .1. This suggests Keopple played an average game, overall.

*AFAIK the CHN xG stat only takes into account shot location, not type of shot or other variables considered by more advanced xG models commonly used. I would guess that the CHN xG stat is more reliable than a layperson's own eyes, despite its limitations, which is why I reference it here. I don't have access to the more advanced xG models, though they seem to be out there for college hockey (eg. the RPI hockey blog seems to reference them).

Can't be happy at all with a win. Exhausting.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: BearLover on January 17, 2025, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: The Rancor
Quote from: BearLoverCornell had a lot of puck luck in this game. Per CHN's xG stat,* our expected goals were 2.4 and Princeton's was 1.9. Cornell exceeded xG by 3.6 and Princeton by .1. This suggests Keopple played an average game, overall.

*AFAIK the CHN xG stat only takes into account shot location, not type of shot or other variables considered by more advanced xG models commonly used. I would guess that the CHN xG stat is more reliable than a layperson's own eyes, despite its limitations, which is why I reference it here. I don't have access to the more advanced xG models, though they seem to be out there for college hockey (eg. the RPI hockey blog seems to reference them).

Can't be happy at all with a win. Exhausting.
Sorry for tiring you out. I'm satisfied with the win, and mentioned earlier Keopple looked good after the first goal. Sorry, do you want me to throw a parade for beating *Princeton* in a year we were supposed to compete for the national championship?
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: HeafDog on January 17, 2025, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodShoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.

HA! That freaking rocks! Thanks!!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: fastforward on January 17, 2025, 11:07:35 PM
Dang
Sounds like I missed one heck of a game
Do it again tomorrow
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Tcl123 on January 17, 2025, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: TrotskyI've been rereading The Sun Also Rises.  Fuck Princeton.  Those people are awful.

.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: scoop85 on January 17, 2025, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: TrotskyDevlin?

Brother of our Devlin
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: HeafDog on January 17, 2025, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: TrotskyDevlin?

Brother of our Devlin

Safety Devlin
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 17, 2025, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: iceKeopple played a good game after he got warmed up.  

All the shoving/punching was surprising.  Don't know who the instigators were but Cornell needs to be more disciplined, no matter what.  

The biggest difference between Princeton and Sacred Heart was their goalies.


I had the misfortune of sitting near relatives and friends of the Princeton starter this year again and the one woman (I assume mother) was thankfully a lot quieter this time. Near the end of the game, one of the kids in the adjacent section ran through a bit of the telephone taunt and I don't think the group liked that too much, lol
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on January 17, 2025, 11:39:44 PM
My 2 cents:  

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles),  That took the wind out of our sails for a while, and Princeton was beating us on the puck in the corners.  Fortunately we got one back against the run of play, which pepped the guys up.  After the second goal we were in full control. From that point, we pounded them in both zones.  I think by the end we'd worn them out.  

Castagna's goal was a beauty.  Hopefully he's got his mojo back.

The power play was awful.  We kept trying to get the puck down low, but with Princeton bunched up in front of the goalie, there was no place to go with it.  So...toss it back to the D, the 2 D-men pass it back and forth, and then drop it back down low with no place to go with it.  Lather rinse repeat.  Ugly.  The guys on the point need to shoot occasionally, just to keep the PK honest.

OTOH, our PK looked really good.  The goal Princeton scored was a seeing eye shot and Koepple was screened on that one.

I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major.  When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on.  It sure took a long time to get a decision.  And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport.  I'm not even sure what it is.  Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?

Anyway, it was nice to get a decisive win.  Hopefully this is the start of something lasting.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ugarte on January 18, 2025, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major.  When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on.  It sure took a long time to get a decision.  And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport.  I'm not even sure what it is.  Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?
Apparently so. I've never heard of it either but that's what happened. The Princeton guy popped Kovich in the mask and Kovich responded by grabbing his mask back and giving a tug. I didn't expect hockey gloves to allow the fingers that much freedom, tbh.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: The Rancor on January 18, 2025, 12:13:49 AM
Quote from: The Rancor
Quote from: BearLoverCornell had a lot of puck luck in this game. Per CHN's xG stat,* our expected goals were 2.4 and Princeton's was 1.9. Cornell exceeded xG by 3.6 and Princeton by .1. This suggests Keopple played an average game, overall.

*AFAIK the CHN xG stat only takes into account shot location, not type of shot or other variables considered by more advanced xG models commonly used. I would guess that the CHN xG stat is more reliable than a layperson's own eyes, despite its limitations, which is why I reference it here. I don't have access to the more advanced xG models, though they seem to be out there for college hockey (eg. the RPI hockey blog seems to reference them).

Can't be happy at all with a win. Exhausting.

Beat Syer 6-2, so it's not coaching. ENJOY THE WIN. I was jumping out of my couch. Stoked to see them come together. Tomorrow we challenge Quinny... I'm excited to see what happens. LGR.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: RichH on January 18, 2025, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major.  When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on.  It sure took a long time to get a decision.  And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport.  I'm not even sure what it is.  Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?
Apparently so. I've never heard of it either but that's what happened. The Princeton guy popped Kovich in the mask and Kovich responded by grabbing his mask back and giving a tug. I didn't expect hockey gloves to allow the fingers that much freedom, tbh.

The broadcasters (one a former player) said that there's one or two of those called every week in the league this year, and players have to control the urge, knowing that. I don't think it's true that they call it so often.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: The Rancor on January 18, 2025, 12:22:59 AM
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: iceKeopple played a good game after he got warmed up.  

All the shoving/punching was surprising.  Don't know who the instigators were but Cornell needs to be more disciplined, no matter what.  

The biggest difference between Princeton and Sacred Heart was their goalies.


I had the misfortune of sitting near relatives and friends of the Princeton starter this year again and the one woman (I assume mother) was thankfully a lot quieter this time. Near the end of the game, one of the kids in the adjacent section ran through a bit of the telephone taunt and I don't think the group liked that too much, lol

Smith is a true Sophomore, and he's pretty good, big upside. In spite of tonight's results.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 18, 2025, 01:42:51 AM
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: chimpfoodShoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.

HA! That freaking rocks! Thanks!!
You were loud and clear.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 18, 2025, 02:14:18 AM
I could hear him from the far side below the balcony near the restrooms and it was definitely loud. Also, the Princeton band was there, which is a rarity, but they were a nice break from the canned music. Very lively atmosphere in general and a huge Cornell contingent as there usually is
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: HeafDog on January 18, 2025, 07:16:49 AM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: chimpfoodShoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.

HA! That freaking rocks! Thanks!!
You were loud and clear.

Let us all be!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: marty on January 18, 2025, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82My 2 cents:  

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles),

I don't understand "the goalie should have stopped" type of statement.  I guess if I was a great goalie or even a mediocre goalie I might have that opinion but I'm more of "the goalie would like that one back" mentality mainly because I'm a mediocre skater who is in awe of EVERY D1 player.

That said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: upprdeck on January 18, 2025, 10:08:00 AM
that facemak call was weird.  Never seen it.  Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on.  Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: TimV on January 18, 2025, 10:11:08 AM
Quote from: martyThat said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem.  The farting pushes you FORWARD.::bolt::
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: scoop85 on January 18, 2025, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: upprdeckthat facemak call was weird.  Never seen it.  Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on.  Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written

The rule seems overly harsh.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Iceberg on January 18, 2025, 11:15:48 AM
Has everyone here not worn hockey gloves before? With modern hockey gloves it's very easy to grab helmet cages. And face masking has been a penalty for as long as I can remember. It's just so uncommon that many people don't really think about it. I see it and spearing as similar types of penalties--rare but always results in a major.


Also, the rule gives the referees the option to assess a game misconduct, but Kovich was just sent to the penalty box and re-entered play after the end of the major. They evidently didn't deem it that serious but had to call a major by rule at the minimum.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Scersk '97 on January 18, 2025, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: TrotskyRAYHILL ICE TIME BITCHES!!!

Really the best thing about this game, and good for him!
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: marty on January 18, 2025, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: martyThat said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem.  The farting pushes you FORWARD.::bolt::

I think I missed that lecture in Fluid Dynamics. ::crazy::
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: dbilmes on January 18, 2025, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: TrotskyRAYHILL ICE TIME BITCHES!!!

Really the best thing about this game, and good for him!
The CHN app last night had Bancroft's first goal credited to Rayhill. Since I hadn't yet started watching the game, I was pretty surprised to see 1) That Rayhill was playing; 2) That he had scored a goal; 3) That the goal was unassisted, meaning he must have made a great play.
In any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: billhoward on January 18, 2025, 12:15:59 PM
Being heard over the murmurs and whispers of the Princeton fanbase, is not a high bar to hurdle. But thank you.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Trotsky on January 18, 2025, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: martyThat said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem.  The farting pushes you FORWARD.::bolt::
That's a myth.  It doesn't (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_mass) "push" you.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: TimV on January 18, 2025, 12:30:32 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: martyThat said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem.  The farting pushes you FORWARD.::bolt::
That's a myth.  It doesn't (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_mass) "push" you.

Marty is a special case though.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: RichH on January 18, 2025, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: upprdeckthat facemak call was weird.  Never seen it.  Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on.  Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written

The rule seems overly harsh.

Especially since Kovich was POPPED hard in the facemask seconds earlier by a gloved fist.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: sah67 on January 18, 2025, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: dbilmesIn any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: abmarks on January 18, 2025, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: upprdeckas bad as its been going we are still pretty good in betting odds to win the title. still the top pick in the ECAC
I'm sorry, but this is insane. I don't know much about betting odds but is it possible nobody has bet on this and so the odds haven't been updated? We are far out from even getting a bye. Quinnipiac should be the clear favorite.

I was gonna take my daily shot at Clownlover, and after some analysis...I guess I still will, except it's a jab and not body blow, body blow, knockout.

There's a big spread in league games played so far so we can't ignore games in hand.  I took current ECAC standings and projected what they'd be if the teams not yet having played the 12 games Q has played out their games in hand. I assumed they had the same point winning percentage as today in doing so. (Data from Chn as of now Saturday afternoon.).  PPT1 and PRK1 are projected point totals and team rank  if 12 games were played


Team        GP PTS GIH1 PPT1 PRK1 Pt%
Clarkson 9 21 3 28.0 1 0.778
Quinnipiac 12 27 0 27.0 2 0.75

Dartmouth 10 19 2 22.8 3 0.633
Colgate   9 17 3 22.7 4 0.63

Harvard 11 18 1 19.6 5 0.545
Union.   11 18 1 19.6 5 0.545
Cornell 9 14 3 18.7 7 0.519

Rensselaer 11 12 1 13.1 8 0.364
Princeton 11 11 1 12.0 9 0.333
Yale        11 11 1 12.0 9 0.333
Brown        11 10 1 10.9 11 0.303
St. Lawrence 9 8 3 10.7 12 0.296


I'll agree with Clownlover that we shouldn't be on anyone's radar as far as having good odds to win. That's nuts.   And if there are actually decent odds out there, he's probably right about the lack of action, and id plunk down a bet super quick if I found them.

But we're not that far out from a bye after GIH are factored: only 4 points back and only 1 point back of Union and Harvard above us.  It'll be a tight race between Dart, Colgate, union, Harvard and us to get the remaining 2 byes.



Btw, don't know where upprdeck is betting, but FanDuel shows these odds...last updated in April....



**ECAC 2024-25 Conference Tournament Winner Odds**

| Team       | Odds  |
|------------|-------|
| Cornell    | +170  |
| Quinnipiac | +180  |
| Dartmouth  | +700  |
| Clarkson   | +900  |
| Harvard    | +1200 |
| Colgate    | +1500 |

*APR 12, 11:00AM ET*
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on January 18, 2025, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: sah67
Quote from: dbilmesIn any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.
I kind of expected him to look like a make a wish kid out there but he looked pretty decent. Looked better than he did in the Toronto exhibition game.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: arugula on January 18, 2025, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: sah67
Quote from: dbilmesIn any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.

Yes. Definitely in the first.  Unlike basketball they can't set him for a relatively easy goal.  But good for him.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: ugarte on January 18, 2025, 05:12:07 PM
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: sah67
Quote from: dbilmesIn any case, I'm glad he actually did get on the ice in the final minutes.

I believe he got at least one shift in each period.

Yes. Definitely in the first.  Unlike basketball they can't set him for a relatively easy goal.  But good for him.
i was kind of hoping princeton would pull the goalie during the facemask major to give rayhill a shot from downtown.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on January 18, 2025, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: marty
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82My 2 cents:  

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles),

I don't understand "the goalie should have stopped" type of statement.  I guess if I was a great goalie or even a mediocre goalie I might have that opinion but I'm more of "the goalie would like that one back" mentality mainly because I'm a mediocre skater who is in awe of EVERY D1 player.

In my mind, it means the same thing.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: VIEWfromK on January 21, 2025, 07:31:46 AM
I don't necessarily prefer when something happens after every whistle but I felt like they needed to start being more engaged and that's the easiest way to appear as such.  I thought there was more of an effort to generate offense from the point.  Maybe it only looks that way because they were rewarded with a couple of goals that originated from out top.  I just hope they can continue to have successful traffic.  As a second half of my life pessimist, I thought there was no way that Castagna was not going to pass on that two on one.  What a snipe.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: HeafDog on March 29, 2025, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: chimpfoodCall me crazy but I think this weekend will be the start of the turnaround

chimpfood: you are crazy

chimpfood: you weren't crazy
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: chimpfood on March 29, 2025, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: chimpfoodCall me crazy but I think this weekend will be the start of the turnaround

chimpfood: you are crazy

chimpfood: you weren't crazy
Just two months early perhaps
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: RichH on March 30, 2025, 12:22:40 AM
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: chimpfoodCall me crazy but I think this weekend will be the start of the turnaround

chimpfood: you are crazy

chimpfood: you weren't crazy

HeafDog: low key HOFer eLynah poster. Thanks for always finding your way back here virtually and to the rinks when you can. I miss crossing paths in person.
Title: Re: Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17
Post by: HeafDog on March 30, 2025, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: HeafDog
Quote from: chimpfoodCall me crazy but I think this weekend will be the start of the turnaround

chimpfood: you are crazy

chimpfood: you weren't crazy

HeafDog: low key HOFer eLynah poster. Thanks for always finding your way back here virtually and to the rinks when you can. I miss crossing paths in person.

Ha! ¡Gracias! Right back atcha!