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Title: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Iceberg on January 04, 2025, 12:25:23 PM
9 PM ET start time. Given how many times these two teams have played over the past years, it's very surprising ASU didn't join the ECAC
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: sah67 on January 04, 2025, 02:52:48 PM
Quote from: Iceberg9 PM ET start time. Given how many times these two teams have played over the past years, it's very surprising ASU didn't join the ECAC

CHN has the start time as 6pm MT, which would be 8 ET,  no?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on January 04, 2025, 03:09:59 PM
Both the Cornell and Mullett Arena webpages say 7 PM local time.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Iceberg on January 04, 2025, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Both the Cornell and Mullett Arena webpages say 7 PM local time.


Yep, 7 PM MT, so 9 PM ET. That might be the latest start time for a game in some time
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: abmarks on January 04, 2025, 05:27:34 PM
Chn says 8pm.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: abmarks on January 04, 2025, 05:29:22 PM
Quote from: abmarksChn says 8pm.

Oops. It said 8pm an hour ago.   Now it says 9
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on January 04, 2025, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: abmarks
Quote from: abmarksChn says 8pm.

Oops. It said 8pm an hour ago.   Now it says 9

Last night it didn't show the game at all.  Baby steps.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Iceberg on January 04, 2025, 07:05:46 PM
The broadcast yesterday mentioned that ASU would be playing at 7 PM MT regardless of who the opponent is. That makes sense given that they're the tournament hosts and would get the late games.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on January 04, 2025, 08:11:34 PM
And UMass beats BobbyMo 8-0.  Not sure what that says for our game against ASU.  Probably nothing.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 08:34:43 PM
Wolfenberg is back.  Donaldson sits and O'Brien shifts to F.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: scoop85 on January 04, 2025, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: TrotskyWolfenberg is back.  Donaldson sits and O'Brien shifts to F.

Seems odd that he'd be playing tonight after sitting out last night, but good to see more healthy bodies.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 08:47:17 PM
ASU has a 6-game winning streak with one goalie but they are going with the other one tonight.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: TrotskyWolfenberg is back.  Donaldson sits and O'Brien shifts to F.

Seems odd that he'd be playing tonight after sitting out last night, but good to see more healthy bodies.
Jason hinted that Mike was not pleased with Donaldson's play last night.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:07:22 PM
Adventures with Sidearm again.  When it drops for you guys please post. Thank you.

The problem is I believe the cache but it won't work until the broadcast is actually on.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: chimpfood on January 04, 2025, 09:17:02 PM
Just out of curiosity what is the policy on sharing illegal streaming sites on here...
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:18:38 PM
Shane, Shoen, and Shlaine tonight.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodJust out of curiosity what is the policy on sharing illegal streaming sites on here...
I am sure it is verboten; that is how sites get shut down.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: TrotskyShane, Shoen, and Shlaine tonight.
Just like Soda and Suda last night
My bad, thought you were referring to mispronunciations
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: scoop85 on January 04, 2025, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodJust out of curiosity what is the policy on sharing illegal streaming sites on here...

As your counsel I would advise against it
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 09:25:20 PM
1-0 ASU
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: scoop85 on January 04, 2025, 09:27:18 PM
ASU scores off the rush. We're struggling with their speed. We're having some decent O-zone time, but not getting a lot of clean looks
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:27:31 PM
Still no video here.  :-(
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 09:35:56 PM
Successful PK
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: chimpfood on January 04, 2025, 09:36:01 PM
Really nice kill, let's tie it up before the break.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 09:41:48 PM
2-0 ASU
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: chimpfood on January 04, 2025, 09:42:13 PM
Goddamn. Not even playing poorly but down 2-0. Terrible turnover from Bancroft.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:42:13 PM
19:33 :-(
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Big Dingus on January 04, 2025, 09:42:16 PM
Awful goal.

This team is done
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Big DingusAwful goal.

This team is done
< eye roll >
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Big Dingus on January 04, 2025, 09:43:57 PM
Trotsky - what has this team done this year to make you believe that they will come back and win this game? Because I haven't seen anything convincing AT ALL that would make me believe they can beat a team like ASU.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Iceberg on January 04, 2025, 09:44:06 PM
Regardless of how this game goes, I think we see at Keopple in net at least once next weekend.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: scoop85 on January 04, 2025, 09:44:08 PM
Seems like Shane's given up more bad goals this year than his 1st 3 years.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 09:44:21 PM
Do these games count as road games? I'm worried they're somehow "neutral" for RPI purposes.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: ACM on January 04, 2025, 09:46:23 PM
I wonder if ASU's Ryan Kirwan is related to this guy (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/ryan-kirwan/15258).
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Big DingusTrotsky - what has this team done this year to make you believe that they will come back and win this game? Because I haven't seen anything convincing AT ALL that would make me believe they can beat a team like ASU.

I know throwing in the towel is unwarranted.  They play solid for stretches.  They have intervals where every shift is better than the opponent, and they set up good chances.

If you can do that, then you can do it more. Winning consists of doing it enough over 60 minutes to outscore the opponent.

They have it in them.  Overdetermining your assessment of the team by its very worst events and mistakes is petulant and invalid.  Doing so repeatedly is not a statement about the team; it's a psychological declaration of fragility.  

If this hurts so much, turn it off.  Please.  It's bad enough when the opponent scores not to endure your predestined suicide note immediately after.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: ACMI wonder if ASU's Ryan Kirwan is related to this guy (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/ryan-kirwan/15258).
Born 2/27/02 in DeWitt, NY.  Also attended Taft.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: arugula on January 04, 2025, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Big DingusTrotsky - what has this team done this year to make you believe that they will come back and win this game? Because I haven't seen anything convincing AT ALL that would make me believe they can beat a team like ASU.

Were you watching last night?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: DafatoneDo these games count as road games? I'm worried they're somehow "neutral" for RPI purposes.
That is an excellent question.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 09:57:00 PM
Big Red has definitely had some decent chances but the mistakes and penalty are costing us and stand out more than the decent chances
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: ACMI wonder if ASU's Ryan Kirwan is related to this guy (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/ryan-kirwan/15258).
Born 2/27/02 in DeWitt, NY.  Also attended Taft.

Brother Luke 11/23/97.  Hmm...
Brother Matt 11/07/99
Sister Lauren (somehow, not Mary) 7/26/93, so unless Ryan Senior was precocious I assume we are talking nephew.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: TimV on January 04, 2025, 10:09:32 PM
From his bio on last year's Penn State site:

"Son of Patty and Terry Kirwan...Is the youngest of four with two older brothers Luke and Matthew and an older sister Lauren...Sister, Lauren, played division I ice hockey at Minnesota State and UNH...Brother, Luke, was a product of the USNTDP and played four years of major junior hockey in the Ontario Hockey League before enrolling at the University of Prince Edward Island where he played two seasons...Majoring in recreation, park and tourism management."
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 10:16:24 PM
3-0 ASU
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Big Dingus on January 04, 2025, 10:17:38 PM
One game? And I'm watching tonight. It's 3-0
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 10:17:56 PM
On top of everything else, what is this piece of shit remake of the song?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: scoop85 on January 04, 2025, 10:18:34 PM
An unforced icing leads to an atrocious defensive zone sequence and ultimately a 3rd ASU goal. Probably too big a hill to climb.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Big Dingus on January 04, 2025, 10:20:00 PM
Well, almost time to turn it off.

Cornell historically has never got beat badly by similar pairwise teams like this and for some reason this year is different. It feels different and it is different.

I don't know if it's the coach or whatever, but having this many returnees and losing so many games really is shocking. What is going on? Can we finally panic?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: chimpfood on January 04, 2025, 10:20:20 PM
ASU had like 4 scoring chances on that possession but that's another one that Shane should have. He has been really disappointing this season. I was never fully bought in on him being as good as his stats over the last couple years (I mean the guy is like 5 foot 11 and Schafer really did not want to start him his freshman year), but I was starting to believe and this is kind of killing my hope. Gotta give keopple a few starts over the rest of the year to at least prepare us for next year.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: scoop85 on January 04, 2025, 10:25:25 PM
Quote from: Big DingusWell, almost time to turn it off.

Cornell historically has never got beat badly by similar pairwise teams like this and for some reason this year is different. It feels different and it is different.

I don't know if it's the coach or whatever, but having this many returnees and losing so many games really is shocking. What is going on? Can we finally panic?

Sadly, I am becoming bearish on the season. Shane seems to have taken a step back, and Seeger's departure combined with some of the injuries has left a hole offensively that we don't seem to have been able to overcome. We can still make hay in the ECAC, but it doesn't seem likely.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: arugula on January 04, 2025, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodASU had like 4 scoring chances on that possession but that's another one that Shane should have. He has been really disappointing this season. I was never fully bought in on him being as good as his stats over the last couple years (I mean the guy is like 5 foot 11 and Schafer really did not want to start him his freshman year), but I was starting to believe and this is kind of killing my hope. Gotta give keopple a few starts over the rest of the year to at least prepare us for next year.

Been ringing that bell for three years. Shane is quick but very small. Having been next to him a few times I'd say closer to 5'9".  He's benefited enormously from the system which has suffered this year. To his credit he has had numerous games over the last three years where he faced pressure and bore up very well.  Mostly he had a lot of 12 shot nights. This year, he's been consistently under pressure and mileage varies.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Big Dingus on January 04, 2025, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: Big DingusWell, almost time to turn it off.

Cornell historically has never got beat badly by similar pairwise teams like this and for some reason this year is different. It feels different and it is different.

I don't know if it's the coach or whatever, but having this many returnees and losing so many games really is shocking. What is going on? Can we finally panic?

Sadly, I am becoming bearish on the season. Shane seems to have taken a step back, and Seeger's departure combined with some of the injuries has left a hole offensively that we don't seem to have been able to overcome. We can still make hay in the ECAC, but it doesn't seem likely.

I just don't understand. Why is this happening? How can we fall so hard with barely any roster moves ?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 10:34:18 PM
For a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 10:35:23 PM
4-0
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Big Dingus
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: Big DingusWell, almost time to turn it off.

Cornell historically has never got beat badly by similar pairwise teams like this and for some reason this year is different. It feels different and it is different.

I don't know if it's the coach or whatever, but having this many returnees and losing so many games really is shocking. What is going on? Can we finally panic?

Sadly, I am becoming bearish on the season. Shane seems to have taken a step back, and Seeger's departure combined with some of the injuries has left a hole offensively that we don't seem to have been able to overcome. We can still make hay in the ECAC, but it doesn't seem likely.

I just don't understand. Why is this happening? How can we fall so hard with barely any roster moves ?
Coaching staff overhaul this past summer? Regression to the mean? Small sample?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Iceberg on January 04, 2025, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 10:38:13 PM
No sense losing a close one.

This is obviously going to change barring a really, really good third, but entering tonight, Cornell had 3 losses and the 13th best record in D1.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 10:38:47 PM
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.

Seems that way. He's been injured this year though, hasn't he?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 10:39:14 PM
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: upprdeck on January 04, 2025, 10:40:04 PM
down 4 but not really dominated in anyway. We have no ability to score on chances down low and it shows.

of course losing the ST race by 1-2 goals every game isnt helping the cause. ASu couldnt stay out of the box last night and tonight almost no calls at all against them,
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 10:40:46 PM
Quote from: DafatoneNo sense losing a close one.

This is obviously going to change barring a really, really good third, but entering tonight, Cornell had 3 losses and the 13th best record in D1.
After tonight Cornell will have 5 regulation wins, 4 regulation losses, 3 regulation ties, and 1 OT win (in gimmicky 3x3). Mediocre team, mediocre record.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
IMO Robertson has taken a step back. He is still a very good defenseman, but last year he was an absolute stud.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: IcebergRegardless of how this game goes, I think we see at Keopple in net at least once next weekend.
It speaks to the complete lack of confidence the coaching staff has in the backup goalies that Shane STILL hasn't been pulled, after giving up two terrible soft goals, in a 4-0 game! The game is out of reach and the starter has been anwful and they STILL haven't pulled him! Why didn't the pull him after the third goal? Probably because the alternative is even worse.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Big Dingus on January 04, 2025, 10:45:25 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Big Dingus
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: Big DingusWell, almost time to turn it off.

Cornell historically has never got beat badly by similar pairwise teams like this and for some reason this year is different. It feels different and it is different.

I don't know if it's the coach or whatever, but having this many returnees and losing so many games really is shocking. What is going on? Can we finally panic?

Sadly, I am becoming bearish on the season. Shane seems to have taken a step back, and Seeger's departure combined with some of the injuries has left a hole offensively that we don't seem to have been able to overcome. We can still make hay in the ECAC, but it doesn't seem likely.

I just don't understand. Why is this happening? How can we fall so hard with barely any roster moves ?
Coaching staff overhaul this past summer? Regression to the mean? Small sample?


Could be the coaching staff, but regression to the mean I don't think matters - because Cornell is always above average, at least a top 20 team. This team maybe is an anomaly, no idea what's going on
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: chimpfood on January 04, 2025, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: IcebergRegardless of how this game goes, I think we see at Keopple in net at least once next weekend.
It speaks to the complete lack of confidence the coaching staff has in the backup goalies that Shane STILL hasn't been pulled, after giving up two terrible soft goals, in a 4-0 game! The game is out of reach and the starter has been anwful and they STILL haven't pulled him! Why didn't the pull him after the third goal? Probably because the alternative is even worse.
Hell keopple went to the world juniors a few years ago, makes you wonder how he's been performing in practice if he came in with that kind of pedigree and can't get any ice time at all.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: arugula on January 04, 2025, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Big Dingus
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: Big DingusWell, almost time to turn it off.

Cornell historically has never got beat badly by similar pairwise teams like this and for some reason this year is different. It feels different and it is different.

I don't know if it's the coach or whatever, but having this many returnees and losing so many games really is shocking. What is going on? Can we finally panic?

Sadly, I am becoming bearish on the season. Shane seems to have taken a step back, and Seeger's departure combined with some of the injuries has left a hole offensively that we don't seem to have been able to overcome. We can still make hay in the ECAC, but it doesn't seem likely.

I just don't understand. Why is this happening? How can we fall so hard with barely any roster moves ?
Coaching staff overhaul this past summer? Regression to the mean? Small sample?


As you can see from the Rangers, sometimes the wheels just come off.  Mysterious.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: chimpfood
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: IcebergRegardless of how this game goes, I think we see at Keopple in net at least once next weekend.
It speaks to the complete lack of confidence the coaching staff has in the backup goalies that Shane STILL hasn't been pulled, after giving up two terrible soft goals, in a 4-0 game! The game is out of reach and the starter has been anwful and they STILL haven't pulled him! Why didn't the pull him after the third goal? Probably because the alternative is even worse.
Hell keopple went to the world juniors a few years ago, makes you wonder how he's been performing in practice if he came in with that kind of pedigree and can't get any ice time at all.
It is crazy. He was really bad in his limited opportunities the last two seasons but you'd think he'd at least be serviceable. I guess not?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 10:49:18 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
IMO Robertson has taken a step back. He is still a very good defenseman, but last year he was an absolute stud.

Agreed there. He's been a lot less noticeable.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 10:50:27 PM
If you're scoring at home, or even if you're alone:
1 19:28 UMass
2 19:44 UMass
1 19:34 Arizona State
2 19:48 Arizona State
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 10:52:15 PM
Quote from: TrotskyIf you're scoring at home, or even if you're alone:
1 19:28 UMass
2 19:44 UMass
1 19:34 Arizona State
2 19:48 Arizona State

If this one also ends in a Castagna empty netter I wouldn't be mad.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: upprdeck on January 04, 2025, 10:52:55 PM
15 Min period rule cant come fast enough
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 10:55:22 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Walsh.
 Castagna.  Bancroft.  Rego.  Mack. Suda.  Catalano.  All better than last year.

It's not great but it's not a complete dumpster fire.  I could see them continue to struggle along at .500, or I could them get stronger and stronger through the RS and roll through Lake Placid.

The real treasure are the friends we'll make along the way.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: scoop85 on January 04, 2025, 10:57:47 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Walsh.
 Castagna.  Bancroft.  Rego.  Mack. Suda.  Catalano.  All better than last year.

It's not great but it's not a complete dumpster fire.  I could see them continue to struggle along at .500, or I could them get stronger and stronger through the RS and roll through Lake Placid.

The real treasure are the friends we'll make along the way.

Castagna to me hasn't progressed nearly as much as I'd expected this year. I believe he only has 2 goals, which includes last night's ENG?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 11:00:38 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Walsh.
 Castagna.  Bancroft.  Rego.  Mack. Suda.  Catalano.  All better than last year.
Outside of Rego and maybe Suda those players all seem materially worse than last year. Especially Castagna, he's been so much worse. Barely creating anything with his hero ball this season. Last year his hero ball resulted in some goals for himself even if it resulted in few goals for his linemates. This yeah, almost zilch. Rego and Suda have added some more on offense but I believe both failed to pick up netfront guys on the PK early in the season, which is why I wasn't willing to say they've improved.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: arugula on January 04, 2025, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Walsh.
 Castagna.  Bancroft.  Rego.  Mack. Suda.  Catalano.  All better than last year.

It's not great but it's not a complete dumpster fire.  I could see them continue to struggle along at .500, or I could them get stronger and stronger through the RS and roll through Lake Placid.

The real treasure are the friends we'll make along the way.

Castagna to me hasn't progressed nearly as much as I'd expected this year. I believe he only has 2 goals, which includes last night's ENG?

Agree. Castagna passes the eye test. He looks great, but then you notice no results for his control and moves.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 11:00:52 PM
Walsh and Krafty have had several good rushes -
But can't get it in net
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 11:02:10 PM
Everyone wants the golden goal and are not passing
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 11:02:13 PM
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Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Walsh.
 Castagna.  Bancroft.  Rego.  Mack. Suda.  Catalano.  All better than last year.

It's not great but it's not a complete dumpster fire.  I could see them continue to struggle along at .500, or I could them get stronger and stronger through the RS and roll through Lake Placid.

The real treasure are the friends we'll make along the way.

Castagna to me hasn't progressed nearly as much as I'd expected this year. I believe he only has 2 goals, which includes last night's ENG?
I think most people expected Castagna to be one of the best players in the entire league this season. The reality hasn't been anything close. Clearly less effective than last season IMO.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 11:03:25 PM
Quote from: scoop85
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Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Walsh.
 Castagna.  Bancroft.  Rego.  Mack. Suda.  Catalano.  All better than last year.

It's not great but it's not a complete dumpster fire.  I could see them continue to struggle along at .500, or I could them get stronger and stronger through the RS and roll through Lake Placid.

The real treasure are the friends we'll make along the way.

Castagna to me hasn't progressed nearly as much as I'd expected this year. I believe he only has 2 goals, which includes last night's ENG?
He's not getting the goals but he's playing awesome.  I watch him a lot in isolation (as best I can on TV) and practically every other shift he does something that shows how different he is in ability to anticipate.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 11:04:30 PM
Quote from: BearLover
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Quote from: Iceberg
Quote from: DafatoneFor a guy whose puck skills are alright at best, Kempf sure loves calling for the puck.

He's one guy I actually think has regressed since his freshman year. He hasn't looked good at many moments this year.
Who hasn't regressed this season? Walsh? Anybody else? The team is in total disarray.
Walsh.
 Castagna.  Bancroft.  Rego.  Mack. Suda.  Catalano.  All better than last year.
Outside of Rego and maybe Suda those players all seem materially worse than last year. Especially Castagna, he's been so much worse. Barely creating anything with his hero ball this season. Last year his hero ball resulted in some goals for himself even if it resulted in few goals for his linemates. This yeah, almost zilch. Rego and Suda have added some more on offense but I believe both failed to pick up netfront guys on the PK early in the season, which is why I wasn't willing to say they've improved.
Opinions vary.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 11:07:23 PM
I turned it off after the second. Is Shane seriously still in the game (according to CHN box score)????
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 11:07:57 PM
Yup
Unbelievable
How could any of the others possibly make this any worse
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 11:12:26 PM
Power play for Cornell
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 11:12:58 PM
Quote from: BearLoverI think most people expected Castagna to be one of the best players in the entire league this season. The reality hasn't been anything close. Clearly less effective than last season IMO.
Those most people included the opposing coaches. He is being played very different from last year.  He has the best players on the other team matched against him -- last year they were on Seger.  He has .67 Pts/GP, last year he had .71.  And 8 of his points last year, and 5 of his 11 goals, came in just two games: 6-goal blowouts of Princeton and Union.

As I said I have watched him and he is playing better than last year.  You are right he is not scoring, and that sucks, but goal droughts happen and IMO he is good process bad result.  Points and goals will come.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 11:15:49 PM
It's a sign of how awful our PP has been that it's looked much better this weekend and we still haven't come terribly close to scoring.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 11:17:36 PM
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Unbelievable
How could any of the others possibly make this any worse
What kind of message does this send to Keoppel/Katz? Is there seriously no desire to get them game experience or see what they're capable of? This is insane.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: chimpfood on January 04, 2025, 11:19:41 PM
A split vs Umass and ASU isn't bad at all. The pairwise doesn't care about margin. Next week a sweep would be massive especially with the road bonus.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 11:19:42 PM
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Unbelievable
How could any of the others possibly make this any worse
What kind of message does this send to Keoppel/Katz? Is there seriously no desire to get them game experience or see what they're capable of? This is insane.
Agreed and you can bet it is causing morale issues which often trickle down
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 11:25:39 PM
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Unbelievable
How could any of the others possibly make this any worse
What kind of message does this send to Keoppel/Katz? Is there seriously no desire to get them game experience or see what they're capable of? This is insane.
Agreed and you can bet it is causing morale issues which often trickle down
OTOH the coaches are on top of it and present in the room, and we are not.

I have never understood this pattern (which I am often guilty of too):

Amateur: < Draws conclusion about situation as an ignorant outsider.  Predicts action A. >

Expert:  < Draws conclusion about situation as an informed insider. Performs action ~A. >

Amateur: Well.  Obviously the Expert is an idiot.

Maybe. Or maybe the Amateur's conclusion is based on insufficient information and lack of experience in the situation.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodA split vs Umass and ASU isn't bad at all. The pairwise doesn't care about margin. Next week a sweep would be massive especially with the road.
When you're way outside the NCAA tournament bubble a split vs teams right around you in the PWR is really bad. Treading water is very bad when you're on the outside looking in. We are like 10% to get an at-large bid now (maybe we were 20% before this weekend.)

Those are just random numbers though. The other issue is that the team doesn't look good. If we continue playing like this, we're 0% to get an at-large bid.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 04, 2025, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: chimpfoodA split vs Umass and ASU isn't bad at all. The pairwise doesn't care about margin. Next week a sweep would be massive especially with the road bonus.
Cornell is now 27th in the PWR with a .5200 RPI. We can pretty much stop worrying about an at-large bid and make other plans during the Holy Cross weekend.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 11:30:36 PM
34 SOG, many of them good looks.  Yeah, we probably wouldn't have gotten 4 on a normal night, but it isn't like we were shut down.  Homer had a great night. Shane let in 2 softies.  We made a cripplingly awful turnover.  We failed on special teams. Again.  

Bah.  On to Fairfield (I think?).
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: arugula on January 04, 2025, 11:30:47 PM
Beat UMAss-go up 5 spots. Lose to asu-drop 7.  Ok.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 11:32:28 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: chimpfoodA split vs Umass and ASU isn't bad at all. The pairwise doesn't care about margin. Next week a sweep would be massive especially with the road bonus.
Cornell is now 27th in the PWR with a .5200 RPI. We can pretty much stop worrying about an at-large bid and make other plans during the Holy Cross weekend.

The ASU announcers said we'd be in. So we've got that on our side.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 04, 2025, 11:34:41 PM
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Quote from: chimpfoodA split vs Umass and ASU isn't bad at all. The pairwise doesn't care about margin. Next week a sweep would be massive especially with the road bonus.
Cornell is now 27th in the PWR with a .5200 RPI. We can pretty much stop worrying about an at-large bid and make other plans during the Holy Cross weekend.

The ASU announcers said we'd be in. So we've got that on our side.
Which is nice.

We went up 5 with our last win.  Can people stop worrying about it for a bit? it's pretty clear there are a shit ton of mid teams bulging between 15 and 25.  Every gust of wind can blow you to the top or bottom of that pile.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: fastforward on January 04, 2025, 11:35:03 PM
It's going to be a long flight home for them and an even longer week of practice
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Big Dingus on January 04, 2025, 11:39:04 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: chimpfoodA split vs Umass and ASU isn't bad at all. The pairwise doesn't care about margin. Next week a sweep would be massive especially with the road bonus.
Cornell is now 27th in the PWR with a .5200 RPI. We can pretty much stop worrying about an at-large bid and make other plans during the Holy Cross weekend.


Exactly, the at large is gone pending a miracle, which this team has shown is not going to happen
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 04, 2025, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Dafatone
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Quote from: chimpfoodA split vs Umass and ASU isn't bad at all. The pairwise doesn't care about margin. Next week a sweep would be massive especially with the road bonus.
Cornell is now 27th in the PWR with a .5200 RPI. We can pretty much stop worrying about an at-large bid and make other plans during the Holy Cross weekend.

The ASU announcers said we'd be in. So we've got that on our side.
Which is nice.

We went up 5 with our last win.  Can people stop worrying about it for a bit? it's pretty clear there are a shit ton of mid teams bulging between 15 and 25.  Every gust of wind can blow you to the top or bottom of that pile.

Compromise? I'm not capable of not worrying about the PWR rankings but I can do so optimistically.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: BearLover on January 05, 2025, 01:31:24 AM
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Quote from: BearLoverI think most people expected Castagna to be one of the best players in the entire league this season. The reality hasn't been anything close. Clearly less effective than last season IMO.
Those most people included the opposing coaches. He is being played very different from last year.  He has the best players on the other team matched against him -- last year they were on Seger.  He has .67 Pts/GP, last year he had .71.  And 8 of his points last year, and 5 of his 11 goals, came in just two games: 6-goal blowouts of Princeton and Union.

As I said I have watched him and he is playing better than last year.  You are right he is not scoring, and that sucks, but goal droughts happen and IMO he is good process bad result.  Points and goals will come.
Castagna has 1 goal and 5 assists this season through 13 games, not counting ENG. He seems to me to be creating fewer chances than last year. If I'm not mistaken he was moved off the first PP unit as well (at least he was moved off of it prior to this weekend, after starting the year on the first PP unit).
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: stereax on January 05, 2025, 06:37:43 AM
well that sucked. on to the next one?
somehow not even the worst L my teams took last night, giving that to the absolute embarrassment that is getting season swept by the san jose sharks in the year of our lord 2025 as a "cup contender" team...
the one thing I will mention about Castagna is that, every game I've been to, he's getting SOME sort of medical attention from the bench, whether that's a nasty shot block or med-taping his shoulder or whatever. doubt he's fully healthy.
haven't been as impressed with the D as some of you guys. feels like they give up a lot of easy chances for the opponents.
Shane has been WEIRD. the crowd at Lynah will chant for him on fairly routine saves (at least, to my eyes). I haven't watched Cornell hockey as long as most of you, but from what I understand, if Shane's off the entire team is screwed, and it certainly feels like he gives up a soft one at least once a game...
well. they sure got some work to do. what's the plan with Keopple/Katz, anyway? do we have a goalie coming in next year? I'd think atp you'd want to prioritize Katz, no, given Keopple only has one more year with the program?
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 05, 2025, 11:49:01 AM
Quote from: stereaxI haven't watched Cornell hockey as long as most of you, but from what I understand, if Shane's off the entire team is screwed
That's a pretty fair summary, yes.

To be a conference contender we need Shane to be as good as last year.

To be a national contender we need Shane to be a Hobey Finalist.

He is nowhere near the first bar, let alone the second.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: stereax on January 05, 2025, 03:07:16 PM
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Quote from: stereaxI haven't watched Cornell hockey as long as most of you, but from what I understand, if Shane's off the entire team is screwed
That's a pretty fair summary, yes.

To be a conference contender we need Shane to be as good as last year.

To be a national contender we need Shane to be a Hobey Finalist.

He is nowhere near the first bar, let alone the second.
Yep. Isn't he under .900 on the year? That's pretty... yikes.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: ugarte on January 05, 2025, 04:51:42 PM
there's a point when the defenders need to chill out a bit and let the critics have their space. the results are shit and everyone knows it. lashing out at the people pointing it out is ridiculous. save your energy on here and write a check or something.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: adamw on January 05, 2025, 06:30:00 PM
Quote from: ugartethere's a point when the defenders need to chill out a bit and let the critics have their space. the results are shit and everyone knows it. lashing out at the people pointing it out is ridiculous. save your energy on here and write a check or something.

There are plenty of valid issues. The exaggeration and invention of non-issues is what's annoying.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: adamw on January 05, 2025, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: DafatoneDo these games count as road games? I'm worried they're somehow "neutral" for RPI purposes.

Game vs. UMass was neutral. Game vs. ASU was road.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Dafatone on January 05, 2025, 06:58:05 PM
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Quote from: DafatoneDo these games count as road games? I'm worried they're somehow "neutral" for RPI purposes.

Game vs. UMass was neutral. Game vs. ASU was road.

Makes sense, thanks.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 05, 2025, 08:15:45 PM
Quote from: stereax
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: stereaxI haven't watched Cornell hockey as long as most of you, but from what I understand, if Shane's off the entire team is screwed
That's a pretty fair summary, yes.

To be a conference contender we need Shane to be as good as last year.

To be a national contender we need Shane to be a Hobey Finalist.

He is nowhere near the first bar, let alone the second.
Yep. Isn't he under .900 on the year? That's pretty... yikes.

1.72 .933
1.72 .916
1.69 .923
2.38 .894
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: Trotsky on January 05, 2025, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: ugartethere's a point when the defenders need to chill out a bit and let the critics have their space. the results are shit and everyone knows it. lashing out at the people pointing it out is ridiculous. save your energy on here and write a check or something.

One could well say the same the other way.

Some people are in denial while others whine like little bitches.  Life's rich pageant.
Title: Re: 1/4 vs. ASU
Post by: stereax on January 05, 2025, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: stereax
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: stereaxI haven't watched Cornell hockey as long as most of you, but from what I understand, if Shane's off the entire team is screwed
That's a pretty fair summary, yes.

To be a conference contender we need Shane to be as good as last year.

To be a national contender we need Shane to be a Hobey Finalist.

He is nowhere near the first bar, let alone the second.
Yep. Isn't he under .900 on the year? That's pretty... yikes.

1.72 .933
1.72 .916
1.69 .923
2.38 .894
Yikes.