Per Pete Thamel:
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1869380311878119916
Whoo Hoo! Never thought we would see it in a billion years. Never bought the nonsense about the negative impact it would have on "The Game". Now if we could get scholarships and NIL Collectives (Well we can dream). My view of the Ivy League is that Harvard, Yale, and to a lesser extent Princeton have way too much influence on league policy. Congrats to the SAAC on seeing it through.
all fun and games until south dakota state takes out dartmouth in the second round 49-3
Quote from: ugarteall fun and games until south dakota state takes out dartmouth in the second round 49-3
That's probably the result we'd see now, but it's possible this move will help the Ivy teams recruit higher level talent that will allow the league to be highly competitive at the FCS level.
They will still be at an disadvantage, Play less games, start practice later.
Does FCS have wild cards make the playoffs? is winning the ivy the only way to get in?
Do we have smaller rosters?
Quote from: upprdeckDoes FCS have wild cards make the playoffs? is winning the ivy the only way to get in?
The final four this year are Montana State (Big Sky) and South Dakota, SD State, ND State, who all play in the Missouri Valley Conference for football.
Quote from: upprdeckThey will still be at an disadvantage, Play less games, start practice later.
Does FCS have wild cards make the playoffs? is winning the ivy the only way to get in?
Do we have smaller rosters?
I'm sure the Ivy champ will get an AQ
they said the IVY gets in
I was just wondering if 2 IVY could qualify? Given they play less games that becomes harder as well.
Quote from: upprdeckthey said the IVY gets in
I was just wondering if 2 IVY could qualify? Given they play less games that becomes harder as well.
there might be years when more than one gets in. more than one team from conferences other than MVC qualified, though the patriot only got the champ this year.
According to the Harvard Crimson only 1 Ivy team would be eligible so they have to come up with a tie breaker system.
Quote from: rss77According to the Harvard Crimson only 1 Ivy team would be eligible so they have to come up with a tie breaker system.
i found the phrasing a little ambiguous. they need to have a tiebreaker because only one team will get an automatic bid - so the co-champ thing won't fly for qualification purposes - but i don't know if they are specifically foreclosing an at-large. I don't think this ever came up in the last, say, 40 years of pre-ILT basketball. Even in the years when I was in college and Princeton or Penn would occassionally get some top-25 votes, the committee never seemed to respect them as much as the pollsters (diminishing the chances of an at-large) and as far as I remember the elite team with a chance at an at-large never gagged the conference title, mooting the question.
I wonder if any Ivy has been in the Division I-AA top 24 for the last 40 years. Maybe when Penn won about 30 straight.
Quote from: ugarteall fun and games until south dakota state takes out dartmouth in the second round 49-3
You misspelled 99. Maybe 149.
The best I-AA teams play like mid major .500 teams. The best Ivy teams play like Texas high school .500 teams.
Quote from: TrotskyI wonder if any Ivy has been in the Division I-AA top 24 for the last 40 years. Maybe when Penn won about 30 straight.
Just clicking randomly after googling "FCS rankings historical" I saw that in 2021 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_rankings), co-champs Dartmouth (21/23) and Princeton (24/21) both finished in the Top 25 of the STATS poll and the Coaches Poll.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteall fun and games until south dakota state takes out dartmouth in the second round 49-3
You misspelled 99. Maybe 149.
The best I-AA teams play like mid major .500 teams. The best Ivy teams play like Texas high school .500 teams.
I was trying to be rude but close to accurate. This year, Patriot champ Lehigh won its first round game against (9) Richmond before losing to (8) Idaho 34-13. Last year, Lafayette lost a squeaker to Delaware 36-34 before Delaware lost to (2) Montana 49-19. The best Ivy team is going to lose to the FCS titans but not any worse than the Patriot champ usually does.
Hell, Lehigh lost to Yale this year and guess who Yale lost to!
Quote from: rss77According to the Harvard Crimson only 1 Ivy team would be eligible so they have to come up with a tie breaker system.
* Annual giving per capita
* Days encamped on the great lawn protesting injustice without being rousted by the pi -- correction, campus police.
* Supreme Court justices. Tiebreaker: who don't own motorhomes
Quote from: TrotskyI wonder if any Ivy has been in the Division I-AA top 24 for the last 40 years. Maybe when Penn won about 30 straight.
A number of Ivy League teams have ranked in the Division I-AA top 24. For example, Harvard's 2004 10-0 undefeated team ranked at #13 in the final poll following postseason play.
Ivy's play less games.
They may come up with tiebreakers and also play a Championship game.
Would make sense if Ivies are looking starting a week earlier and adding a bye week given FCS playoff participation.
Quote from: upprdeckIvy's play less games.
They may come up with tiebreakers and also play a Championship game.
they are almost certainly not going to play a championship game. they are already adding to the season with the FCS tournament and there is no way of knowing in advance of the season if there is going to be a tie to break. i hope they choose H2H for a two-team tie instead of something like national polling.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckIvy's play less games.
They may come up with tiebreakers and also play a Championship game.
they are almost certainly not going to play a championship game. they are already adding to the season with the FCS tournament and there is no way of knowing in advance of the season if there is going to be a tie to break. i hope they choose H2H for a two-team tie instead of something like national polling.
Probably like lax and other sports before the ILT.
It's easy in a two way but can be harder with three at 5-2. I recall cornell lax winning the Ivy title but losing the ncaa bid coin flip in 2003.
Quote from: ugartethey are almost certainly not going to play a championship game.
Honestly, that would be cool, though. And a way for the conference to get on TV and play all those ads we think are stirring and everyone else on Earth wants to Brian Thompson us.
Interview with Coach Swanstrom on the ESPN Ithaca website. Go to Podcasts on the site to listen.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckIvy's play less games.
They may come up with tiebreakers and also play a Championship game.
they are almost certainly not going to play a championship game. they are already adding to the season with the FCS tournament and there is no way of knowing in advance of the season if there is going to be a tie to break. i hope they choose H2H for a two-team tie instead of something like national polling.
Probably like lax and other sports before the ILT.
It's easy in a two way but can be harder with three at 5-2. I recall cornell lax winning the Ivy title but losing the ncaa bid coin flip in 2003.
It's an easy choice.
As it used to be when the Big10 went to the Rose Bowl, send the head-to-head winner. If there's a three- or more-way tie that doesn't resolve, send the team that's been on the clock the longest. In the early years, do it by last Ivy championship if that happens.
This year, I would have sent Columbia.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckIvy's play less games.
They may come up with tiebreakers and also play a Championship game.
they are almost certainly not going to play a championship game. they are already adding to the season with the FCS tournament and there is no way of knowing in advance of the season if there is going to be a tie to break. i hope they choose H2H for a two-team tie instead of something like national polling.
Probably like lax and other sports before the ILT.
It's easy in a two way but can be harder with three at 5-2. I recall cornell lax winning the Ivy title but losing the ncaa bid coin flip in 2003.
It's an easy choice.
As it used to be when the Big10 went to the Rose Bowl, send the head-to-head winner. If there's a three- or more-way tie that doesn't resolve, send the team that's been on the clock the longest. In the early years, do it by last Ivy championship if that happens.
This year, I would have sent Columbia.
I thought longest drought was the first tibreaker for the Rose Bowl bid.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckIvy's play less games.
They may come up with tiebreakers and also play a Championship game.
they are almost certainly not going to play a championship game. they are already adding to the season with the FCS tournament and there is no way of knowing in advance of the season if there is going to be a tie to break. i hope they choose H2H for a two-team tie instead of something like national polling.
Probably like lax and other sports before the ILT.
It's easy in a two way but can be harder with three at 5-2. I recall cornell lax winning the Ivy title but losing the ncaa bid coin flip in 2003.
It's an easy choice.
As it used to be when the Big10 went to the Rose Bowl, send the head-to-head winner. If there's a three- or more-way tie that doesn't resolve, send the team that's been on the clock the longest. In the early years, do it by last Ivy championship if that happens.
This year, I would have sent Columbia.
I thought longest drought was the first tibreaker for the Rose Bowl bid.
There were a few different versions, but head-to-head was definitely primary in the mid-2000s.
This could be a nice first step towards the Ivy League relaxing a bit and getting rid of the silly rule causing the hockey team to start 3 weeks after all the other teams in the country.