Last time I started a game thread we swept so let's bring that back. Colgate is hovering around #40 in the pairwise but they have some good results like a tie against Dartmouth and wins against Quinnipiac and Harvard. They are atop the ECAC right now so a sweep would be very ideal. Their out of conference record has certainly not helped the rest of the ECAC as they have been swept in 3 of their 5 OOC series and their 2 of their 3 OOC wins came against RIT who is shockingly terrible this year (62 in the pairwise). I'm excited to be at both games this weekend and I think we can get it done, LGR.
Isn't a sweep always ideal? ::cheer::
We just gotta play em one game at a time...
I would be ecstatic to get a win Friday and then try our chances in the Frozen Tundra of Hamilton.
While a sweep is always ideal, Cornell started so badly that we are reaching the point where a sweep is not only ideal, but necessary. Colgate is 40th in the PWR. Anything short of a sweep would be a bad outcome and take us even further away from an NCAA bid. While we are currently 15th in the ranking, there is a big gap in RPI between 14th and 15th. We will tumble far with a loss this weekend.
Did people forget we were supposed to compete for a national title this year?
Colgate's goaltending is not good and they lost some of their skilled players from last season. I'd be disappointed with anything less than a sweep
You have to remember that this is cogate's huge rivalry weekend even though it isn't for us. It is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn. It's gonna be really hard to get a sweep this weekend because this is pretty much their season.
Quote from: chimpfoodYou have to remember that this is cogate's huge rivalry weekend even though it isn't for us. It is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn. It's gonna be really hard to get a sweep this weekend because this is pretty much their season.
However, if they have finals it would surely reduce the student attendance.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodYou have to remember that this is cogate's huge rivalry weekend even though it isn't for us. It is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn. It's gonna be really hard to get a sweep this weekend because this is pretty much their season.
However, if they have finals it would surely reduce the student attendance.
No such luck. The last day of classes at Colgate is December 13, so finals won't start until the following week.
Quote from: chimpfood[Cornell-Colgate] is the one time of year that they play away in front of a big crowd and the one time that their fans actually come out to their barn.
The new Class of 1965 rink is not a barn if that implies old, rustic, drafty, low-ceilinged. It's gorgeous. 2,222 seats is a good size for Colgate and the huge concours up top might get them to 3,000 for a really big game calling for standing room. Note that the predecessor Starr Arena, only slightly smaller capacity than Class of 65, opened only two years after Lynah and was replaced in 2016.
Quote from: billhowardNote that the predecessor Starr Arena, only slightly smaller capacity than Class of 65, opened only two years after Lynah and was replaced in 2016.
The wrecking ball was long overdue for that hole. Starr was so poorly designed for anything other than midnight ice-time for the undergrads. Terrible sightlines everywhere, and a press box above the end zone. You had to walk around support girders in the stands, yet Colgate students could still throw pizza slices around them. I had a better time watching games at the Northford Ice Pavilion than Starr.
Edit: Apparently it's still standing, so ignore the first three words. It's being used for a basketball practice facility now.
Hope we come out and play and don't have to chase again at Home. We are about the biggest favs on the board tonight so at least some thing we will win.
Anyone know if there is any free parking close to the Colgate rink for tomorrow?
Quote from: chimpfoodAnyone know if there is any free parking close to the Colgate rink for tomorrow?
For the three previous times we have gone there is an apartment complex across the street from the new arena where we have successfully parked. There are usually spots along the hedge
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: chimpfoodAnyone know if there is any free parking close to the Colgate rink for tomorrow?
For the three previous times we have gone there is an apartment complex across the street from the new arena where we have successfully parked. There are usually spots along the hedge
Great, thank you
Back at it :)
I don't think I saw Katz in warmups. Penney expected absence. Where's third goalie?
Quote from: stereaxI don't think I saw Katz in warmups. Penney expected absence. Where's third goalie?
No idea. Technical difficulties.
Video is back albeit with diminished audio.
Was Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They've looked consistently bad this season.
Quote from: BearLoverWas Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They've looked consistently bad this season.
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That was a great look. Nice shift. We are getting pressure and movement.
It's on SNY btw
Quote from: TrotskyThat was a great look. Nice shift. We are getting pressure and movement.
Colgate is an actively bad team. They lost by a combined score of 10-3 while being swept last weekend by PSU, who was 48th in the PWR coming in. Important context.
pp #1. LGR!
Decent chances.
Has Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?
In control after the goal but nothing past him yet.
Quote from: BearLoverHas Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?
I'm losing my mind at how static everyone is. move towards the goddamn net to receive a pass!
That's a good ad but we should tear down half the buildings that have encroached on campus.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverHas Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?
I'm losing my mind at how static everyone is. move towards the goddamn net to receive a pass!
They have been rooted like trees all year. It is the one Bearlover bitch that's true.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverHas Cornell created a single clean one-timer from the bumper on the PP this entire season?
I'm losing my mind at how static everyone is. move towards the goddamn net to receive a pass!
They have been rooted like trees all year. It is the one Bearlover bitch that's true.
They know it's a powerplay and not a washing machine, right? No need to keep it on cycle.
I hope they look better in the second...
One thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.
Colgate had a lot of turnovers that period; we need to convert them.
Quote from: stereaxOne thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.
The "garnet glob."
I know that a goal can come off the board if a coach challenges claiming that the offensive team was offside entering the zone.
Can a penalty come off the board for the same thing if it happens after an offside that was not called - can it be challenged?
An offensively talented team would have scored 2-3 goals against Colgate by now.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxOne thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.
The "garnet glob."
HAH I'm stealing that, thank you. I just call it the 2023 Sharks...
Sullivan Mack seems like a nice young man.
Quote from: BearLoverAn offensively talented team would have scored 2-3 goals against Colgate by now.
And do the hokey pokey as well, I assume?
Quote from: nshapiroI know that a goal can come off the board if a coach challenges claiming that the offensive team was offside entering the zone.
Can a penalty come off the board for the same thing if it happens after an offside that was not called - can it be challenged?
Don't think so tbh. But I may be wrong.
Quote from: nshapiroI know that a goal can come off the board if a coach challenges claiming that the offensive team was offside entering the zone.
Can a penalty come off the board for the same thing if it happens after an offside that was not called - can it be challenged?
No. I thought the same thing because I'm pretty sure we were way offside on that extended possession in their end that ended in the delayed penalty. But it's not like you can pull out a gun and shoot somebody and then say "missed offsides," wipe it. I mean, unless you win the election.
Quote from: stereaxOne thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.
There was one point where all five of their skaters were within the few feet of the crease. I don't know of any sound defensive strategy that advocates for that type of positioning
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: stereaxOne thing I have noticed is Colgate collapses on its goalie in the d-zone a lot in the way truly bad teams who don't trust the tendy to make a single save do. Annoying to shoot against.
There was one point where all five of their skaters were within the few feet of the crease. I don't know of any sound defensive strategy that advocates for that type of positioning
The strategy is called "we have a lead on the road against a better team with limited offensive poise and cohesion so we should play for the 1-0 win or 1-1 tie." Same strategy Yale pulls whenever they take a lead against us at Lynah.
Was that H O T T O G O?
Same old story so far. Better team 5x5, special teams horrible, bad mistake in own zone ends up the back of the net.
If we keep playing like this we'll win.
When Colgate scored they had a 3-1 shot advantage. Since then it is 7-1 Cornell.
Not to mention whenever gate isn't in their armadillo formation they are playing panicked.
Suboptimal.
Quote from: TrotskyWas that H O T T O G O?
It was.
Quote from: TrotskySuboptimal.
We looked so good all period...
Top five 5x5 team in the country.
Worst special teams in the country.
Insane they can't fix this.
Quote from: BearLoverTop five 5x5 team in the country.
Worst special teams in the country.
Insane they can't fix this.
The PK looks fine except for the uh goals.
The PP is pretty horrible and maybe we should decline power plays or something.
That was such a typical Castagna play. Quick to get into the zone, strong to wrestle through coverage, and then precise pass to O'Leary's backdoor.
Jack O'Leary and we're on the board. Impressive effort in the last few minutes.
Don't put the Irish guy against an all red backdrop.
Quote from: TrotskyDon't put the Irish guy against an all red backdrop.
It's Don't Throw Fish Night against Harvard... hmmm. You know what I want to do now?
Cons of a packed barn: a gaggle of girls next to me who spent the whole period texting and showing each other pictures on Instagram that are now gossiping and laughing insanely loudly.
Ufda. That looked really bad.
OK let's see what we've learned.
That. More of that.
Shots are 8-0 so far this period. Like seeing the Bancroft-Major chemistry developing.
Remarkable how much DeSantis has disappeared. Gotta be hurt.
Quote from: TrotskyShots are 8-0 so far this period. Like seeing the Bancroft-Major chemistry developing.
And we got a goal! Looking up. Seal it off. No more OT please.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyShots are 8-0 so far this period. Like seeing the Bancroft-Major chemistry developing.
And we got a goal! Looking up. Seal it off. No more OT please.
Well. Bonus hockey time...
Can't ask for more pressure than that.
That concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.
This is so fucking stupid.
Major first goal!!!
Quote from: TrotskyThat concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.
WE WON THE DERP
Lynah fan favorite Charlie Major.
Not a good outcome against a bad team but glad Cornell could come back and put on a good show for the crowd. NEED a regulation win tomorrow night.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyThat concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.
WE WON THE DERP
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This team is an enigma at this point. Lots of potential. Completely lost at times. With all the experience from last year should be primed for a great year.
That said, looking forward to a stronger end to end performance tomorrow night and hoping Coach Schafer band Coach Jones can raise the 60 minute play for the second half of the season.
Quote from: BearLoverNot a good outcome against a bad team
Jesus Christ
every post you make is negative.
Remember to remove the plastic bag tied around your neck before turning on the gas, or it won't work.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverNot a good outcome against a bad team but glad Cornell could come back and put on a good show for the crowd. NEED a regulation win tomorrow night.
Jesus Christ every post you make is negative.
Remember to remove the plastic bag tied around your neck before turning on the the gas, or it won't work.
Did you forget Cornell was expected to compete for a national championship this year, in our beloved head coach's final season? I haven't forgotten. Very disappointing year so far, including tonight. Need a regulation win tomorrow or we're fucked. LGR!
Fans were chanting Charlie Major's name just before the goal, which is a nice touch.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverNot a good outcome against a bad team but glad Cornell could come back and put on a good show for the crowd. NEED a regulation win tomorrow night.
Jesus Christ every post you make is negative.
Remember to remove the plastic bag tied around your neck before turning on the the gas, or it won't work.
Did you forget Cornell was expected to compete for a national championship this year, in our beloved head coach's final season? I haven't forgotten. Very disappointing year so far, including tonight. Need a regulation win tomorrow or we're fucked. LGR!
Enjoy your evening.
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Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyThat concludes the hockey portion of this telecast. Coming up, the derp.
WE WON THE DERP
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Are you secretly bearlover?
Also. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.
Quote from: stereaxAlso. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.
I saw a Colgate player head to the locker room with their trainer pretty early in the 1st period.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: stereaxAlso. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.
I saw a Colgate player head to the locker room with their trainer pretty early in the 1st period.
Could be one and the same, then. Oof. Feel for the guy. Was wondering why they'd cart an injured player to Lynah, makes sense they wrapped it up here then.
Really fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it. Pretty funny that the PP scored on a tough angle shot after the "shoot the puck" chants and major got one after the "Charlie major" chants. Major was seriously getting on my nerves all game but I won't elaborate on why thanks to him getting that winner for us. Get it done tomorrow and head into break happy.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: stereaxAlso. Hanging around after the game so I don't have to stand out in the cold waiting for the bus. Saw someone who I can only assume is a Colgate player with his hand and upper left arm all wrapped up cast-like. Idk who it was tho.
I saw a Colgate player head to the locker room with their trainer pretty early in the 1st period.
Literally 10 seconds into the game. It was number 7 if I remember right, Simon labelle
Quote from: BearLoverWas Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They've looked consistently bad this season.
You just hate the team. It's ok. Just admit it, you're mad when we win.
Quote from: TrotskyWas that H O T T O G O?
I T W A s G R E A T !
Quote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it. Pretty funny that the PP scored on a tough angle shot after the "shoot the puck" chants and major got one after the "Charlie major" chants. Major was seriously getting on my nerves all game but I won't elaborate on why thanks to him getting that winner for us. Get it done tomorrow and head into break happy.
The towels were a new look for me (I watched on TV made for something new and cool as it seemed the crowd was into it!!!) Can't wait to get up for a live one later this season.
You people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.
In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.
There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: BearLoverWas Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They've looked consistently bad this season.
You just hate the team. It's ok. Just admit it, you're mad when we win.
I'm confused. I complain incessantly when we're losing (the quoted post was made while we were behind in tonight's game). I've been in a pissy mood about Cornell hockey all year because the team has been majorly disappointing. I was way more happy and praiseworthy the last two seasons. Why would that suggest I get mad when we win???? Is it really a foreign concept that I whine when we're losing BECAUSE we're losing? It's not rocket science why I've been particularly insufferable this season.
Quote from: ugarteYou people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.
In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.
There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.
It's one thing to say my constant pessimism is tiring (true), but it's quite another thing to act like I'm a one-note pessimist (false) or that I actively root for Cornell to lose (downright stupid). Actually, depending on the trajectory of the team, I exhibit a full range of pessimism (and even occasional optimism).
The reality is that hopes were (rightfully) extremely high for this team. Since people apparently need a refresher:
1. Cornell was one goal from the Frozen Four the past two seasons.
2. Cornell lost one contributor from last year's team.
3. This is the last season for Coach Schafer, someone we all love and hold in extremely high regard.
4. Cornell was ranked in the top 10 and often even the top 5 coming into its season opener.
These high hopes have not panned out, at all.
1. The team looks consistently out of sync.
2. The power play has looked awful, and I mean truly, truly awful. No movement, no quick passing other than a couple D at the blue line playing catch. Passing with no purpose until eventually the puck is turned over and cleared from the zone.
3. Botched assignments on the penalty kill.
4. Skill guys like Castagna just play hero ball and don't gel with the rest of their unit.
5. Weak or average possession stats against good opposition.
6. Cornell has barely held a lead at any point since opening weekend.
That brings me to tonight, and why it was a bad outcome:
1. Cornell was in perilous Pairwise position coming in (15th).
2. Colgate is a bad team with some of the worst goaltending in the country.
3. Cornell fell behind 2-0. Our PP looked very bad, our PK let Colgate whip the puck around on their first PP and ultimately score.
4. Beating a bad team in 3x3 OT at home is bad for the PWR. Sure enough, we fell to 18th after tonight.
In summation, extremely high expectations, mediocre team, bad outcome tonight. Again, you can wish that I didn't whine so much. And maybe one day I'll stop. (Ha! Good luck with that.) But I'm whining for a reason: this has been an extremely disappointing season so far.
This teams looks good awful.
I guess hope to get hot at end of season and win the league
Its almost like people here don't watch other games.
Denver was #1 has lost 3 in a row
BC is #1 and is 7th in HE
We win tonight and we might be 2nd in the ECAC
For all the inconsistent play we have also had a large number of dominant periods that just hasn't led to goals.
we need to win the PP/PK battle a little more often. That alone is the reason for the record.
But really 31-10 on goal games should not be so hard. shots were 68-29 overall. How many games have we had like that.
That's all about effort and over time that should lead to wins.
Just because guys are playing does not mean they are healthy and that means less practice and timing is off.
Hopefully win tonight get the month off and get the team in sync.
Quote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden. It's going to take some time to get used to but I have a feeling this was unavoidable.
Quote from: BearLoverIn summation, extremely high expectations,
Each game I think, is this the night they turn into the team that I had hoped they would be? Tonight I'll be in Hamilton thinking the same thing.
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.
Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Quote from: TimVWhy the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Agree. The idiot running the Houston Fieldhouse in Troy has music cranked to 11 out of 10. We had to move our season ticket seats to get to a spot between speakers rather than right under one. RPI's band long ago lost the piped in music battle.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.
Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden. It's going to take some time to get used to but I have a feeling this was unavoidable.
Really? If this is true, it's a death knell for Lynah atmosphere. When I was at UNH last year, they had the same issue: a good band that was only allowed to play sporadically because they competed with piped-in music. Every time the band played, the crowd was engaged. Every time music was pumped through the sound system, the crowd just sat there. That's a program that could be going places, and having an electric atmosphere could really give the team a boost when they most need it. If they had won a couple of more games last year, they would have gotten an NCAA bid. They're *that close* to turning a big corner.
It's kind of sad watching the games in Lynah. The Snakepit of the ECAC days are gone. It's going to take a long time to truly recover from Covid lockdowns. I know a lot of organizations nationwide, at all levels, have to rebuild traditions. I've worked hard the past to years as a high school booster on that. But I would have hoped that Cornell wouldn't have mucked up support for the hockey program, especially with such a strong band program.
In contrast, I've gone down to Oregon State for a few football games this year. The program was gutted by the coach going to Michigan State and staff and players following him. But they put on a *really* good show. The band is an integral part of that show, and the announcer and jumbotron cameramen interact with the crowd and feed off of what the crowd responds to. The team can have a very disappointing performance (and they have) but the games are still a good fan experience.
I don't feel that way about the Lynah games anymore. I had hoped that was simply a factor of being 3,000 miles away, but it sounds and looks like that's not the case.
They play pumped in music sometimes but the band still gets most of the stoppages. Last night was more speaker music than usual because it was supposed to be a "white out." What's really annoying is that the in period ice scraping stoppages now are taken up almost entirely by pumped in noise (not even music literally just noise) and they'll play it in the middle of the band's song, cowbell, tubas, whatever is going on. Tonight should have two bands if Cornell makes the trip like they normally do so that should be fun.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TimVQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.
Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
Same. I appreciate the comments below, but I'd like a very exact appraisal of what's going on, especially "noise" during period breaks and pumped-in music during in-game stoppages, because it needs to change.
I hate to ask specifically, but could you comment ACM?
Somebody needs to talk to the band and whoever is in charge of Lynah about this. It's totally unacceptable. There should be no pumped in music after the game starts, at all. This should be fixable, because I know people here should have a line of contact to those in charge.
Has this been going on all year?
More color would still be appreciated...
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TimVQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.
Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
I could be wrong, but seems to me over the last two or three seasons (from my vantage point in L) that even without the pumped-in jock jams, the band was playing a lot less frequently during games than they used to, and there were frequent moments of awkward "dead air", both during and between periods.
It also seems like it's becoming more frequent that the band can't muster a "full" showing except for big games, and they don't sound all that great when they're missing those pieces.
I'm wondering if someone in athletics thought they could "improve" the atmosphere by filling in around the band's quiet moments. That might also explain all the cheesy "arena-style" games and call-and-response music videos they've started to run on the big screen during stoppages (which the band often has to compete with.) At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see a "kiss cam" or "dad dance-off" show up if they had the funds for a roving cameraman.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TimVQuote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: chimpfoodReally fun game to be at, crowd was definitely into it.
The students in A+B plus the band were into it right from the hop. At some point though things transitioned into your typical modern day sporting event. Music was pumped in at every stoppage. The band is no longer allowed (or expected) to carry the entertainment burden.
Why the pumped in music when the band is there? Who decided for that? There's gotta be somebody I can threaten with a donation cutoff.
I love the Clarkson game when TWO bands are in the house.
Wait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
Same. I appreciate the comments below, but I'd like a very exact appraisal of what's going on, especially "noise" during period breaks and pumped-in music during in-game stoppages, because it needs to change.
I hate to ask specifically, but could you comment ACM?
Our posts crossed. I second this exactly.
Yeah it's been happening for years. Exactly like the other guy said there used to be a bunch of silences when the band wouldn't play so they started pumping in music. Only this year did it seem like the pumped in music is actually getting in the way of the band and the crowd and not just filling dead space.
Quote from: BearLoverSomebody needs to talk to the band and whoever is in charge of Lynah about this. It's totally unacceptable. There should be no pumped in music after the game starts, at all. This should be fixable, because I know people here should have a line of contact to those in charge.
Has this been going on all year?
More color would still be appreciated...
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Quote from: chimpfoodYeah it's been happening for years. Exactly like the other guy said there used to be a bunch of silences when the band wouldn't play so they started pumping in music. Only this year did it seem like the pumped in music is actually getting in the way of the band and the crowd and not just filling dead space.
I'm confused why the band is playing less. Why would that be a long term effect of COVID?
Quote from: sah67It also seems like it's becoming more frequent that the band can't muster a "full" showing except for big games, and they don't sound all that great when they're missing those pieces.
To answer a question down thread,
this is the long-term effect of COVID.
This year's freshmen were 8th-graders moving into 9th-grade before vaccines, i.e., when masking and distancing was crucial, and this year's seniors, thus, were juniors moving into their senior years during the same. Music programs
shut down. There were some string orchestras, few if any bands, and practically no choruses for obvious reasons. Many, many kids gave up playing or singing at the time. For a while, it was devastating for school music programs.
Your average high-school band is only just beginning to get kids whose instrumental development was not affected by COVID in some way. (9th-grade - 5 = 4th-grade moving into 5th-grade, when many kids start taking up instruments. Also when they're supposed to be confident operating with fractions, but I digress.)
I'm sure there are still a lot of great players in both the marching and pep bands, but the bands depend, in a sense, on a bit of a "critical mass" phenomenon. The bulk of the instrumentalists are just not there, and putting together a full complement is pretty tough. I have hope for the future, but it's going to be made more difficult if people like whomever athletics has set loose to pollute the air with jock jams get in the way.
Use of any pumped in music at Lynah is disappointing.
Sounds like a story for the Sun to run down.
Quote from: pjd8I don't feel that way about the Lynah games anymore. I had hoped that was simply a factor of being 3,000 miles away, but it sounds and looks like that's not the case.
It's Creeping Meatballism. We are immersed in the hyperreality of constant, forced, fungible Corporate Joy. This has been eroding creativity and spontaneity for every decade I have been a fan. The 80s and 90s fans were still meh, but nothing like the legendary 60s and 70s fans. Since iPacifiers, the students have been sedated, slack-jawed, and stupefied.
There are short term oscillations -- some crowds are better, or worse, for a while. The ones since COVID have been particularly lame but I am sure there will be another local upturn. But the overall trend has nothing to do with these kids, or kids in general. It is global and without redemption short of rejection of the relentless commercial suffocation of the last 150 years.
Kill the loudspeakers and screens, and DIY. Or dissolve into this insipid pool of processed piss.
A few years ago the players made the request for piped in music during warmups. The band doesn't even bother to come some evenings until toward the end of warmups. Last night was the worst piped in music with a full band that I can recall. They even kept one song going well after play had resumed. I think it's getting the desired effect unfortunately because people are singing and dancing to the songs they are playing. I expect it will only get worse because of a variety of reasons, but the band not filing the void in recent years has to be a factor. It's too bad because that has always been one of the main attractions of a game at Lynah. I miss that.
Yeah I mean the kids like it, the players like it, and it's less stress on the band, no need to wonder why it's happening and it will probably continue or even increase.
Last night for Gary Glitter, sections A+B were fully involved like usual and from Section C over none of the students were participating. They have tuned the band out.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteYou people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.
In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.
There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.
It's one thing to say my constant pessimism is tiring (true), but it's quite another thing to act like I'm a one-note pessimist (false) or that I actively root for Cornell to lose (downright stupid). Actually, depending on the trajectory of the team, I exhibit a full range of pessimism (and even occasional optimism).
The reality is that hopes were (rightfully) extremely high for this team. Since people apparently need a refresher:
1. Cornell was one goal from the Frozen Four the past two seasons.
2. Cornell lost one contributor from last year's team.
3. This is the last season for Coach Schafer, someone we all love and hold in extremely high regard.
4. Cornell was ranked in the top 10 and often even the top 5 coming into its season opener.
These high hopes have not panned out, at all.
1. The team looks consistently out of sync.
2. The power play has looked awful, and I mean truly, truly awful. No movement, no quick passing other than a couple D at the blue line playing catch. Passing with no purpose until eventually the puck is turned over and cleared from the zone.
3. Botched assignments on the penalty kill.
4. Skill guys like Castagna just play hero ball and don't gel with the rest of their unit.
5. Weak or average possession stats against good opposition.
6. Cornell has barely held a lead at any point since opening weekend.
That brings me to tonight, and why it was a bad outcome:
1. Cornell was in perilous Pairwise position coming in (15th).
2. Colgate is a bad team with some of the worst goaltending in the country.
3. Cornell fell behind 2-0. Our PP looked very bad, our PK let Colgate whip the puck around on their first PP and ultimately score.
4. Beating a bad team in 3x3 OT at home is bad for the PWR. Sure enough, we fell to 18th after tonight.
In summation, extremely high expectations, mediocre team, bad outcome tonight. Again, you can wish that I didn't whine so much. And maybe one day I'll stop. (Ha! Good luck with that.) But I'm whining for a reason: this has been an extremely disappointing season so far.
I think it's easy to forget that last season was a mild disappointment up until the end. Going into Lake Placid, we were right on the bubble and ended up needing to win the conference to get in. A lot of the year looked similar to this year: we played good teams very well and tended to play down to bad teams, resulting in a solid but not spectacular year.
So far, this year is more of the same. We struggle against big defensive shell teams (a strategy employed by weaker teams, especially when they get an early lead) and we look good against good teams.
Colgate's goalie had a good night, and we certainly dominated possession, shots, and scoring opportunities. Fortunately we got just enough to bounce our way to scrape by.
Two final thoughts: I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Second, the power play sucks. Like, the pp% and negative comments here understate, not overstate, how damn awful it looks.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteYou people need to take it easy on BL. The Eeyore thing can be a little exhausting due to the repetitiveness but the fact is that while we look good in short spurts we don't ... look that good. Colgate looked actually bad - tucked in like a phalanx on defense, completely incapable on offense - and we still fell behind 2-0. Our offense seems to have two modes: Four Corners or 1v5, neither of which are particularly effective. We had one guy take a run at the back door and when it happened quelle surprise! Castagna found O'Leary for an easy tap-in.
In OT, Colgate plays balls-out because the point is valuable to them. We benefitted from their recklessness, but Major was seconds away from being a goat before he became the hero.
There is a lot that needs to be fixed but the big one is that the team has to get in position to receive useful passes. The biggest way the book is out on us is that we don't take good shots, we only take great ones. Traffic in front paralyzes us and there is only so long you can cycle the puck before someone makes an imperfect pass and the possession ends. It's no way to live.
It's one thing to say my constant pessimism is tiring (true), but it's quite another thing to act like I'm a one-note pessimist (false) or that I actively root for Cornell to lose (downright stupid). Actually, depending on the trajectory of the team, I exhibit a full range of pessimism (and even occasional optimism).
The reality is that hopes were (rightfully) extremely high for this team. Since people apparently need a refresher:
1. Cornell was one goal from the Frozen Four the past two seasons.
2. Cornell lost one contributor from last year's team.
3. This is the last season for Coach Schafer, someone we all love and hold in extremely high regard.
4. Cornell was ranked in the top 10 and often even the top 5 coming into its season opener.
These high hopes have not panned out, at all.
1. The team looks consistently out of sync.
2. The power play has looked awful, and I mean truly, truly awful. No movement, no quick passing other than a couple D at the blue line playing catch. Passing with no purpose until eventually the puck is turned over and cleared from the zone.
3. Botched assignments on the penalty kill.
4. Skill guys like Castagna just play hero ball and don't gel with the rest of their unit.
5. Weak or average possession stats against good opposition.
6. Cornell has barely held a lead at any point since opening weekend.
That brings me to tonight, and why it was a bad outcome:
1. Cornell was in perilous Pairwise position coming in (15th).
2. Colgate is a bad team with some of the worst goaltending in the country.
3. Cornell fell behind 2-0. Our PP looked very bad, our PK let Colgate whip the puck around on their first PP and ultimately score.
4. Beating a bad team in 3x3 OT at home is bad for the PWR. Sure enough, we fell to 18th after tonight.
In summation, extremely high expectations, mediocre team, bad outcome tonight. Again, you can wish that I didn't whine so much. And maybe one day I'll stop. (Ha! Good luck with that.) But I'm whining for a reason: this has been an extremely disappointing season so far.
I think it's easy to forget that last season was a mild disappointment up until the end. Going into Lake Placid, we were right on the bubble and ended up needing to win the conference to get in. A lot of the year looked similar to this year: we played good teams very well and tended to play down to bad teams, resulting in a solid but not spectacular year.
So far, this year is more of the same. We struggle against big defensive shell teams (a strategy employed by weaker teams, especially when they get an early lead) and we look good against good teams.
Colgate's goalie had a good night, and we certainly dominated possession, shots, and scoring opportunities. Fortunately we got just enough to bounce our way to scrape by.
Two final thoughts: I still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
Second, the power play sucks. Like, the pp% and negative comments here understate, not overstate, how damn awful it looks.
Last year I came into the season with my regular expectations of trying to get a first round bye. With all of the turnover I wouldn't have dared dream higher. After last season's freshman class played above their experience and finished so strong, I set myself up coming into this year to expect more than just a first round bye.
Higher expectations were reasonable, but to demand them is entitled and childish.
Just fucking enjoy the fucking team.
Quote from: BearLoverWait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
Seriously. It doesn't come across on the broadcasts, more often than not, I find I'm unrealistically annoyed by "dumb things the band is doing these days" but if there's really a DJ incursion at Lynah of all places, the old Bandie in me is on the edge of a riot.
When the band can't be assembled due to a football road trip, that's one thing, but put it away when they're in the building.
Do posters in here really think this is a good start to the season? We have dropped multiple games against very weak teams.
The nodak sweep also getting less impressive as their true record starts to show
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: The RancorQuote from: BearLoverWas Cornell just incredibly lucky last season? They've looked consistently bad this season.
You just hate the team. It's ok. Just admit it, you're mad when we win.
I'm confused. I complain incessantly when we're losing (the quoted post was made while we were behind in tonight's game). I've been in a pissy mood about Cornell hockey all year because the team has been majorly disappointing. I was way more happy and praiseworthy the last two seasons. Why would that suggest I get mad when we win???? Is it really a foreign concept that I whine when we're losing BECAUSE we're losing? It's not rocket science why I've been particularly insufferable this season.
Then I'm guessing it's confirmation bias. You think the team is struggling- if they lose, you're right, and happy. If they do well, say a comeback overtime win at home, you are wrong, and unhappy.
we have 2 losses, how is that multiple losses to bad teams.
Everything after reg. is just a crap shoot for fun.
Quote from: upprdeckwe have 2 losses, how is that multiple losses to bad teams.
Everything after reg. is just a crap shoot for fun.
Two regulation losses to Quinnipiac and Dartmouth, who appear to be the top two teams in the conference that aren't us. Both losses by 1 (excluding the Q empty netter with 2 seconds left)
Quote from: upprdeckwe have 2 losses, how is that multiple losses to bad teams.
Everything after reg. is just a crap shoot for fun.
By that logic, we also have four ties, which are against Yale, Harvard, Quinnipiac, and Colgate. Overall bad teams. The number of ties is masking how underwhelming our results have been. Also, we've played 7 games at home and only 2 on the road.
I have idea who is good or bad.
We have ties vs teams we have dominated
But its a game often decided by 1-3 no matter how well you play.
People thought Princ was awful then they swept OSU
Just win the league and thats the first goal
Win the OC games that helps as well.
Get healthy and see where we are in Feb no matter what the record says
Quote from: DafatoneI still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There's a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we'd need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we'll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We've dug ourselves a big hole IMO.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneI still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There's a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we'd need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we'll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We've dug ourselves a big hole IMO.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
People to send your comments about the atmosphere in Lynah to:
Nikki Moore (CornellAD@cornell.edu) Director of Athletics
Laken Kelly (lfk46@cornell.edu) Assistant Director of Athletics for Fan Engagement
Quote from: VIEWfromKLast night for Gary Glitter, sections A+B were fully involved like usual and from Section C over none of the students were participating. They have tuned the band out.
Section C isn't really a student section in the way A and B are. A lot of people who get tickets at the door and "fade" after 1 or 2 periods. Which, I like that for me personally because too many people in my near vicinity is never fun, but C can get VERY gappy at the beginning/end of some games.
Quote from: TrotskyHigher expectations were reasonable, but to demand them is entitled and childish.
Just fucking enjoy the fucking team.
!!! I'm just enjoying the hockey, man. Like sure, we're not the best team in NCAA, we're never going to be. Enjoy the ride.
Quote from: DafatoneSecond, the power play sucks. Like, the pp% and negative comments here understate, not overstate, how damn awful it looks.
Holy fuck it is genuinely awful. Like holy shitballs. I liked them bringing Psenicka back on pp1 as a screener but there's just. I don't know what's going on. They either move during the pp or shoot during it, not both at once...
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverWait, WTF, seriously? They play pumped in music during play stoppages now? Has that been going on all season?
Can somebody give more color to this?
Seriously. It doesn't come across on the broadcasts, more often than not, I find I'm unrealistically annoyed by "dumb things the band is doing these days" but if there's really a DJ incursion at Lynah of all places, the old Bandie in me is on the edge of a riot.
When the band can't be assembled due to a football road trip, that's one thing, but put it away when they're in the building.
I can't speak to whether it's getting "worse" but there's a lot of times they pump in songs versus the band playing. A lot of times during stoppages. Usually after icings or the like. I think the band gets more time when it's the ice scraper timeout. I don't mind the music? I think it gets the crowd like, singing and more active, versus the band which can be harder to follow. I definitely see the tradition argument, though, and I do think the band is a lot of fun, but several times it's felt like there's been a skeleton crew.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneI still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There's a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we'd need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we'll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We've dug ourselves a big hole IMO.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
Oops, disregard
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneI still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There's a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we'd need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we'll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We've dug ourselves a big hole IMO.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
It's a moot point now. We won't have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneI still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There's a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we'd need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we'll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We've dug ourselves a big hole IMO.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
It's a moot point now. We won't have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.
We're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
Quote from: DafatoneWe're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
This! Rest up. Solve the powerplay issue. Pretty sure we have quite a few softball games in the back half of the season. It'll work out. And if it doesn't, welp, we still got to watch some fun Cornell hockey and chat together. :)
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneI still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There's a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we'd need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we'll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We've dug ourselves a big hole IMO.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
It's a moot point now. We won't have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.
We're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
I mean yes, technically we can still get an at-large bid. But it's not about winning "more games." It's about winning games at an extremely high clip going forward, far higher than we've shown any capability of doing. We are not in alright shape.
To be more precise, I'd estimate Cornell has about a 10% chance of getting an at-large bid. That's based on the hole they've dug themselves and how horrible they've looked so far. Even if they had looked better so far (say, equivalent to last year's team), they'd need to get quite lucky the rest of the way to win at such a high rate, so maybe their odds would increase to 25%. No higher than that, for sure, though.
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no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Hey Bear lover and bigdingus; this one's for you. Obviously two individuals that think they somehow make a difference. Pathetic! You think the team is trying to fail? You have no idea what goes on in the inner workings of a team. Injuries, illness, chemistry, sophomore slumps, academic stress, etc. You both seem to think Cornell should just show up and win - just that easy. News flash - Other teams may be trying to do the same. You obviously have never been in a competitive athletic competition or you would be aware of some of the difficulties in being successful as consistently as Cornell Hockey is.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneI still think you're underestimating our pairwise position. There's a lot more hockey left than has been played, and we're not far off. We are 5-2-3, with KRACH putting us at 16th against the 24th best schedule. We will have to get better results from here on than we have so far, but not by much.
We are now 20th in the Pairwise (5 spots lower than before last night). There's a significant gap in RPI between 13th and 20th. To earn an at-large bid, we'd need a 10 RPI in the country during the second half of the season (maybe top 5)? I.e., we'll have to be better than a top 10 team from here on out for an at-large. We've dug ourselves a big hole IMO.
Our RPI right now is .5419. The cutoff every year winds up at .54something, usually a little over .5400. Last season was an exception, with the cutoff at .5497. Obviously, this depends on how many teams get at large bids, but I don't remember seeing a team get left out if they're above .5500.
We do need to move up. I don't think we need to move up a ton. We have played 10 games and have 19 regular season games left (so a guaranteed 21, though if we only play the minimum ECAC tourney games, well...)
That's lots of room to improve. Especially given how many road games we have left. Maybe that's a concern in that we've underperformed somewhat despite a home-heavy start. Maybe it's a plus because RPI overweighs (in my opinion) away vs home games.
It's a moot point now. We won't have to worry about at-large bids until the 2025-26 season.
We're still in alright shape.
Like we have to win more games. But we had a 3-4-4 (I think) stretch last year. If the team wins more games, they'll get there.
I mean yes, technically we can still get an at-large bid. But it's not about winning "more games." It's about winning games at an extremely high clip going forward, far higher than we've shown any capability of doing. We are not in alright shape.
I think what I've been trying to say is that it's gonna take less improvement than you think, in terms of wins and losses.
That being said, if you think the team isn't capable of turning it around, I don't think that's an absurd opinion, although I think they can.
Quote from: Redpucks1!Theodore Roosevelt > Quotes > Quotable Quote (?)
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is
no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Hey Bear lover and bigdingus; this one's for you. Obviously two individuals that think they somehow make a difference. Pathetic! You think the team is trying to fail? You have no idea what goes on in the inner workings of a team. Injuries, illness, chemistry, sophomore slumps, academic stress, etc. You both seem to think Cornell should just show up and win - just that easy. News flash - Other teams may be trying to do the same. You obviously have never been in a competitive athletic competition or you would be aware of some of the difficulties in being successful as consistently as Cornell Hockey is.
That's a nice quote, but despite what you seem to believe I think, I am under no illusion I make any difference. I'm a random person posting on a college hockey Internet forum. Same as you.
This team is a colossal disappointment. Their play is bad and their results are worse. That is the reality whether I'm here to make the case or not. Nobody knows that to be true better than the players and coaches themselves—the men in the arena.
Quote from: TrotskyKill the loudspeakers and screens, and DIY. Or dissolve into this insipid pool of processed piss.
God that's beautiful alliteration. You just don't get this quality writing on Reddit.
The point about the band "not showing up" is demonstrably false. Every game for the past (at least) two years, the band has used all of our allotted tickets given to us from athletics. In fact, the band has often had a waitlist of at least a dozen people for these games. The only exceptions have been a few games this year where they interfered with football away games, which eats up most of the band member population.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: TrotskyKill the loudspeakers and screens, and DIY. Or dissolve into this insipid pool of processed piss.
God that's beautiful alliteration. You just don't get this quality writing on Reddit.
"At the touch of hate, everyone become a poet." -- Plato
Quote from: WThe point about the band "not showing up" is demonstrably false. Every game for the past (at least) two years, the band has used all of our allotted tickets given to us from athletics. In fact, the band has often had a waitlist of at least a dozen people for these games. The only exceptions have been a few games this year where they interfered with football away games, which eats up most of the band member population.
The band is wonderful, and we all
greatly appreciate your dedication and loyalty! Just please stop with the Jeopardy theme; it is self-absorbed and brutally cringe.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WThe point about the band "not showing up" is demonstrably false. Every game for the past (at least) two years, the band has used all of our allotted tickets given to us from athletics. In fact, the band has often had a waitlist of at least a dozen people for these games. The only exceptions have been a few games this year where they interfered with football away games, which eats up most of the band member population.
The band is wonderful, and we all greatly appreciate your dedication and loyalty! Just please stop with the Jeopardy theme; it is self-absorbed and brutally cringe.
Do not listen to Trotsky's complaints as a man in hailing distance of 60 is not permitted to cringe-check teenagers except to other olds.
However, you may take his appreciation at face value. Pep band is the only activity at Cornell I ever give money to because it's cool when you get to invade road rinks.
Quote from: ugarteDo not listen to Trotsky's complaints as a man in hailing distance of 60 is not permitted to cringe-check teenagers except to other olds.
Well past 60. And who do you think is on eLynah anyway?
Teens should be
more transgressive and interesting than Olds. Disruptive teens are good; boring teens are a sign of social collapse.