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Title: Injury lists
Post by: CJ on December 02, 2024, 08:45:17 AM
Can anyone explain why injuries are not listed?  Is it a privacy thing?  The recent loss of Kyle Penny as well as the loss of others on the team has significantly altered
the prospects of the season.  I am sure there must be others wondering what gives? What can we expect? Any explanation for missing players is usually vague at best. Looking for some insight to boost my knowledge. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: Dafatone on December 02, 2024, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: CJCan anyone explain why injuries are not listed?  Is it a privacy thing?  The recent loss of Kyle Penny as well as the loss of others on the team has significantly altered
the prospects of the season.  I am sure there must be others wondering what gives? What can we expect? Any explanation for missing players is usually vague at best. Looking for some insight to boost my knowledge. Thanks in advance.

Hockey is notoriously vague about injuries because if the other team knows what body part is injured, you'll get a bunch of sticks to that body part. In the NHL, it's "upper body injury" or "lower body injury." If anything, it's even less specific in college hockey because there aren't as many forces demanding information.

In comparison, football is a similarly physical game, but we get more specifics about injuries because media/fantasy football/gambling demand it.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: arugula on December 02, 2024, 11:07:27 AM
With the pros, there are also collective bargaining considerations about what information can be released.  With college, I suspect it's privacy and HIPAA concerns.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: upprdeck on December 02, 2024, 11:33:37 AM
pros release info for gambling reasons. college does not
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: ugarte on December 02, 2024, 01:38:24 PM
College athlete injuries would be covered by at least HIPAA (which protects health records) and FERPA (which protects education records). When a player is out for the year, you probably get some disclosure but only with the consent of the student. Otherwise it would probably be as vague as "unlikely to return."
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: stereax on December 02, 2024, 02:38:08 PM
Will also note that sometimes you can "figure it out" in passing, like if you're in Ithaca and happen upon a hockey player in a walking boot. Or rewatch tape obsessively, or see it happen and figure from there. But no, you're not going to get any actual answers. For the better tbh.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: ugarte on December 02, 2024, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: stereaxWill also note that sometimes you can "figure it out" in passing, like if you're in Ithaca and happen upon a hockey player in a walking boot. Or rewatch tape obsessively, or see it happen and figure from there. But no, you're not going to get any actual answers. For the better tbh.
welcome to the forum. every time someone reports seeing an athlete in a walking boot there are two pages of stupid debate over whether it is a HIPAA violation for a civilian to say they saw a thing in public.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: stereax on December 02, 2024, 06:05:20 PM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: stereaxWill also note that sometimes you can "figure it out" in passing, like if you're in Ithaca and happen upon a hockey player in a walking boot. Or rewatch tape obsessively, or see it happen and figure from there. But no, you're not going to get any actual answers. For the better tbh.
welcome to the forum. every time someone reports seeing an athlete in a walking boot there are two pages of stupid debate over whether it is a HIPAA violation for a civilian to say they saw a thing in public.
lmfao what. is it also a hipaa violation for me to update y'all from my seat behind the tunnel that casty's getting his shoulder wrapped up with bandages
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: scoop85 on December 02, 2024, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: stereax
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: stereaxWill also note that sometimes you can "figure it out" in passing, like if you're in Ithaca and happen upon a hockey player in a walking boot. Or rewatch tape obsessively, or see it happen and figure from there. But no, you're not going to get any actual answers. For the better tbh.
welcome to the forum. every time someone reports seeing an athlete in a walking boot there are two pages of stupid debate over whether it is a HIPAA violation for a civilian to say they saw a thing in public.
lmfao what. is it also a hipaa violation for me to update y'all from my seat behind the tunnel that casty's getting his shoulder wrapped up with bandages

It is not.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: upprdeck on December 02, 2024, 10:16:08 PM
from the Hippa website

the role of coaches in personal development falls outside the scope of HIPAA compliance

Its only health care providers really.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: TimV on December 03, 2024, 08:57:33 AM
How many rows up are you?  Must get some great audio as well.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: ugarte on December 03, 2024, 09:11:26 AM
Quote from: upprdeckfrom the Hippa website

the role of coaches in personal development falls outside the scope of HIPAA compliance

Its only health care providers really.
as i understand it, to the extent coaches are covered by hipaa it would be because of their connection to the team/school medical staff. they can probably speak in generalities ("showing improvement" "back in the weight room" etc.) but they wouldn't be able to talk specifics learned through their professional association. "personal development" is generalities.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: dag14 on December 03, 2024, 02:19:57 PM
As ugarte noted earlier, I am pretty sure that, since these coaches are university employees, whatever isn't required by HIPPA is required by FERPA.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: stereax on December 04, 2024, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: TimVHow many rows up are you?  Must get some great audio as well.
Me? I sit directly behind the tunnel, nine rows up in section C. Problem is my ears are shit and I can't always hear what's going on, especially when there are chants I can't make out. Have been privy to many a "FUCK" though :)
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: upprdeck on December 04, 2024, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: dag14As ugarte noted earlier, I am pretty sure that, since these coaches are university employees, whatever isn't required by HIPPA is required by FERPA.

Why would ferpa be involved for education records in this?
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: dag14 on December 05, 2024, 05:05:05 PM
FERPA specifically applies to medical records/information maintained by a college or university.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: ugarte on December 06, 2024, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: dag14FERPA specifically applies to medical records/information maintained by a college or university.
that's right. i only talk out of my ass about hockey.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: upprdeck on December 06, 2024, 09:33:16 AM
My discussions with coaches it only applies to what Medical people can say about situations. Coaches are considered outside that chain.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: TimV on December 06, 2024, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from: stereaxMe?... Have been privy to many a "FUCK" though :)

My years on The Hill the male to female ratio was about 3:1 so...I was not.B-]
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: Trotsky on December 06, 2024, 06:46:26 PM
That's why god made IC.

Or IHS.
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: Swampy on December 06, 2024, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: stereaxMe?... Have been privy to many a "FUCK" though :)

My years on The Hill the male to female ratio was about 3:1 so...I was not.B-]

IIRC, back in the sixties it was 6:1. That's why god made Road Trips (https://youtu.be/d5Dze0zYVgY?feature=shared). ::drive:: ::drunk::  ::faint:: ::panic::::laugh::::bang::::thud::
Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: George64 on December 07, 2024, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: stereaxMe?... Have been privy to many a "FUCK" though :)

My years on The Hill the male to female ratio was about 3:1 so...I was not.B-]

IIRC, back in the sixties it was 6:1. That's why god made Road Trips (https://youtu.be/d5Dze0zYVgY?feature=shared). ::drive:: ::drunk::  ::faint:: ::panic::::laugh::::bang::::thud::

How things have changed -

According to the 2023 Common Data Set -
UG men: 7194, UG women: 8610, percent women: 54.5
Grad men: 4618, Grad women: 4817, percent women: 51.1
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Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: George64 on December 07, 2024, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: SwampyIIRC, back in the sixties it was 6:1. That's why god made Road Trips.

Apropos to road trips, from todays D&C - " The former Wells College, a private college campus along Cayuga Lake in Cayuga County, is for sale. The college, which closed its doors earlier this year, sits atop 127 stunning acres.  The property at 170 Main St. in Aurora doesn't specify a price, but the property was assessed at almost $8.5 million according to Cayuga County's 2024 assessment roll."
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Title: Re: Injury lists
Post by: Trotsky on December 07, 2024, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: George64
Quote from: SwampyIIRC, back in the sixties it was 6:1. That's why god made Road Trips.

Apropos to road trips, from todays D&C - " The former Wells College, a private college campus along Cayuga Lake in Cayuga County, is for sale.

Does it come furnished (https://wellsipedia.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/classof1962_3.jpg)?