Stonehill beat Merrimack today. Possibly biggest win in their short D1 history?
Merrimack had to start its student manager in net though...
https://x.com/mikemcmahonchn/status/1842983105134834045?s=46
RIT beat Clarkson, union needed OT to beat Army. SLU beat Canisius. Colgate was swept by UConn. ECAC off to a uninspired start in games that count.
I would disagree honestly, ECAC has been fine through this first weekend.
Quote from: Chris '03Merrimack had to start its student manager in net though...
Poor guy, who had not played since high school in 2020, had 20 saves and a 2-1 lead with 9 seconds to go in regulation...
North Dakota lost 4-1 to Augustana in exhibition.
https://fightinghawks.com/news/2024/10/5/mens-hockey-no-5-6-north-dakota-falls-4-1-to-augustana-in-exhibition-opener.aspx
Very nice day for the ECAC today. I really hope the league can take a big step forward this year, it's great having high level competition most weekends.
Quote from: chimpfoodVery nice day for the ECAC today. I really hope the league can take a big step forward this year, it's great having high level competition most weekends.
[Insert weak/strong conference discussion here.]
On the ECAC hockey Instagram you can see everyone on Princeton is wearing guardian caps at practice. Is this something common in hockey that I missed or are they the first ones?
No help from the ECAC tonight but at least it's exciting that tomorrow is game day.
Vs. US National Development Team (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT2rRxsuMFM)
Vs. Boston University (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1atYA_lBRU)
UND buried BU last night.
Quote from: upprdeckUND buried BU last night.
UND took a 5-0 lead in the first period.
When was the last time we had a non conference series this good at lynah? I can't wait, this is still the de facto 2020 national title to me.
Quote from: chimpfoodWhen was the last time we had a non conference series this good at lynah? I can't wait, this is still the de facto 2020 national title to me.
Maybe 2002 when Cornell hosted BU for a pair and beat them badly enough that Coach Parker described watching his team play Cornell like (paraphrasing) watching boys skate against men.
Quote from: JasonN95Quote from: chimpfoodWhen was the last time we had a non conference series this good at lynah? I can't wait, this is still the de facto 2020 national title to me.
Maybe 2002 when Cornell hosted BU for a pair and beat them badly enough that Coach Parker described watching his team play Cornell like (paraphrasing) watching boys skate against men.
In 2003, we were 7 and BU was 11. We swept, 4-1, 5-1.
In 2010, we were 9 and North Dakota was 5. We split, 1-0, 1-3.
I suggest everyone check out the highlights of the Colgate games from this weekend, available on YouTube. Colgate goalie gave up a goal from the red line in BOTH games. I can't recall ever seeing a (non-EN) goal scored from the red line. Two in consecutive games???
Quote from: BearLoverI suggest everyone check out the highlights of the Colgate games from this weekend, available on YouTube. Colgate goalie gave up a goal from the red line in BOTH games. I can't recall ever seeing a (non-EN) goal scored from the red line. Two in consecutive games???
Colgate's goalies are both bad so they've been splitting most weekends so it wasn't the same kid who gave up both. Still crazy.
Quote from: BearLoverI suggest everyone check out the highlights of the Colgate games from this weekend, available on YouTube. Colgate goalie gave up a goal from the red line in BOTH games. I can't recall ever seeing a (non-EN) goal scored from the red line. Two in consecutive games???
Willie Mitchell, 1999 ECAC Semi in the last 10 seconds. Clarkson 6, Princeton 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re7JWmWr5Jc
After 27 years in Division I, AIC is dropping back to Division II after this season. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/11/12_AIC-Dropping-Program-Back.php)
Sources told College Hockey News the program was being dropped back to D-II because of "budgetary issues and the changing landscape of NCAA athletics."
According to AIC's latest EADA filing, men's hockey had the highest expenditures of any non-football team at the school, totaling $1,773,427.
Potential January opponent Arizona State ended Denver's 21-game winning streak (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20241122/asu/den/) last night in Denver.
Current PWR of opponents:
28 North Dakota 2x
53 Yale
41 Brown
6 Dartmouth
32 Harvard
17 Quinnipiac 2x
30 Princeton
Mean is 28.0
Colgate is 38. Cornell is 15. Let's Go Red!
Quote from: TrotskyCurrent PWR of opponents:
28 North Dakota 2x
53 Yale
41 Brown
6 Dartmouth
32 Harvard
17 Quinnipiac 2x
30 Princeton
Mean is 28.0
Colgate is 38. Cornell is 15. Let's Go Red!
Like UMD last year, NoDak may well not give us the PWR boost we would've expected.
North Dakota has had really serious injury problems too. I am hoping they can put together a run in 2025 and help a brotha out.
Hockey East teams have a record of 42-19-2 against out-of-conference teams.
Coming out of the break, our (#16) potential opponents in Tempe are UMass (#22), Arizona State (#19), and Robert Morris (unranked).
UNLV beats Denver in a shootout.
The ECAC teams that were higher-ranked won yesterday, so that's good. Four OOC games in total today.
Quote from: chimpfoodUNLV beats Denver in a shootout.
UNLV? I'm lost.
Quote from: ithacatQuote from: chimpfoodUNLV beats Denver in a shootout.
UNLV? I'm lost.
Did Denver play most of its usual lineup?
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: ithacatQuote from: chimpfoodUNLV beats Denver in a shootout.
UNLV? I'm lost.
Did Denver play most of its usual lineup?
Missing one D man and their coach at the world juniors but other than that yes
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: ithacatQuote from: chimpfoodUNLV beats Denver in a shootout.
UNLV? I'm lost.
Did Denver play most of its usual lineup?
Missing one D man and their coach at the world juniors but other than that yes
To second the original question, "UNLV"?
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: ithacatQuote from: chimpfoodUNLV beats Denver in a shootout.
UNLV? I'm lost.
Did Denver play most of its usual lineup?
Missing one D man and their coach at the world juniors but other than that yes
To second the original question, "UNLV"?
Yes, UNLV's top-tier club team tied Denver (and won the shootout). Denver dominated SOGs, but Denver goalie Davis, who was spectacular in the NCAA tournament, got pulled after giving up 4 goals on less than 20 shots. The UNLV goalie, who transferred from UNH, made over 50 saves.
Yale leading BU 7-4 at home with less than 5 minutes left in regulation. Very curious to see the highlights of that game
Quote from: IcebergYale leading BU 7-4 at home with less than 5 minutes left in regulation. Very curious to see the highlights of that game
BU's missing a few of their top guys at the WJC, but still a surprising result.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: IcebergYale leading BU 7-4 at home with less than 5 minutes left in regulation. Very curious to see the highlights of that game
BU's missing a few of their top guys at the WJC, but still a surprising result.
Yale went 3-for-6 on the power play and had a shorthanded goal. BU was 2-for-6 on their power play.
Dartmouth loses to providence but a good weekend from the ECAC overall. Dartmouth has looked really weak recently, I'm very confident we can beat them when they come to Ithaca.
Quote from: chimpfoodDartmouth loses to providence but a good weekend from the ECAC overall. Dartmouth has looked really weak recently, I'm very confident we can beat them when they come to Ithaca.
Their defenders are not good at defending. They have guys that can finish scoring opportunities, though, which is what has been keeping them competitive against weaker teams.
Also clarkson lost 5-1 to Concordia? D1 is embarrassing themselves in some of these exhibitions
BU lost to Yale and dropped one spot in the PWR. We lose to I don't know Quinnipiac and drop five spots. Logical.
Quote from: arugulaBU lost to Yale and dropped one spot in the PWR. We lose to I don't know Quinnipiac and drop five spots. Logical.
There are dozens of results every night that affect PWR. Also, look at the RPI of each team and you can see that there may be large gaps between certain spots in the PWR. For example, 13-18 may be more closely bunched together than 11-12. PWR is almost entirely just RPI.
Quote from: arugulaBU lost to Yale and dropped one spot in the PWR. We lose to I don't know Quinnipiac and drop five spots. Logical.
Also, we've played 11 games and BU has played 17, so one of our games probably has more of an impact.
Also Also, home/road/neutral ice makes a big difference.
Don't minimize my emotional reaction with your blasted logic! It's a proven "fact" (by which I mean my feeling and gut reaction ) that the algorithm always screws us and never "them". I will not be convinced otherwise....
Quote from: arugulaDon't minimize my emotional reaction with your blasted logic! It's a proven "fact" (by which I mean my feeling and gut reaction ) that the algorithm always screws us and never "them". I will not be convinced otherwise....
Also, all refs are out to get us! ::deadhorse::
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaDon't minimize my emotional reaction with your blasted logic! It's a proven "fact" (by which I mean my feeling and gut reaction ) that the algorithm always screws us and never "them". I will not be convinced otherwise....
Also, all refs are out to get us! ::deadhorse::
Notably when playing Denver...in anything.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaDon't minimize my emotional reaction with your blasted logic! It's a proven "fact" (by which I mean my feeling and gut reaction ) that the algorithm always screws us and never "them". I will not be convinced otherwise....
Also, all refs are out to get us! ::deadhorse::
It's not even the refs but the entire world! Not a coincidence they cancelled the 2020 season when we were #1... hahaha! ;)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaDon't minimize my emotional reaction with your blasted logic! It's a proven "fact" (by which I mean my feeling and gut reaction ) that the algorithm always screws us and never "them". I will not be convinced otherwise....
Also, all refs are out to get us! ::deadhorse::
Notably when playing Denver...in anything.
Credit where due - "The Committee" loath to give up its power to screw The Big Red, hired crack coders able to devise an algorithm to squash us with a veil of objectivity.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaDon't minimize my emotional reaction with your blasted logic! It's a proven "fact" (by which I mean my feeling and gut reaction ) that the algorithm always screws us and never "them". I will not be convinced otherwise....
Also, all refs are out to get us! ::deadhorse::
It's not even the refs but the entire world! Not a coincidence they cancelled the 2020 season when we were #1... hahaha! ;)
The worst thing to happen in 2020.
I'm watching the US vs Canada world juniors game and it's a good one. Third period is about to start and it feels like this period will have a bunch of goals.
Quote from: chimpfoodI'm watching the US vs Canada world juniors game and it's a good one. Third period is about to start and it feels like this period will have a bunch of goals.
I'm just happy the American sweaters aren't garbage for at most the 2nd time in the last decade.
I see they have it so they reschedule after the quarters.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaDon't minimize my emotional reaction with your blasted logic! It's a proven "fact" (by which I mean my feeling and gut reaction ) that the algorithm always screws us and never "them". I will not be convinced otherwise....
Also, all refs are out to get us! ::deadhorse::
It's not even the refs but the entire world! Not a coincidence they cancelled the 2020 season when we were #1... hahaha! ;)
The worst thing to happen in 2020.
The worst :(
Quote from: chimpfoodI'm watching the US vs Canada world juniors game and it's a good one. Third period is about to start and it feels like this period will have a bunch of goals.
World juniors in general has been kind of insane. Latvia's been crazy. Canada fucked up with the selections as per usual and is suffering. Wouldn't be surprised if a European country takes gold.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI'm watching the US vs Canada world juniors game and it's a good one. Third period is about to start and it feels like this period will have a bunch of goals.
World juniors in general has been kind of insane. Latvia's been crazy. Canada fucked up with the selections as per usual and is suffering. Wouldn't be surprised if a European country takes gold.
Go Slavs!
Well, Canada's done.
I'm seeing a US vs Sweden final, although the US vs Czechia match will be tough.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI'm watching the US vs Canada world juniors game and it's a good one. Third period is about to start and it feels like this period will have a bunch of goals.
World juniors in general has been kind of insane. Latvia's been crazy. Canada fucked up with the selections as per usual and is suffering. Wouldn't be surprised if a European country takes gold.
Go Slavs!
As a Pole, go Slavs! SWE-FIN will be fun, USA-CZE too. Really could go any way, though I agree USA-SWE is the most likely final.
No help from the ECAC today. Really feels like we're been carrying the league in non con play the last few years.
Quote from: chimpfoodNo help from the ECAC today. Really feels like we're been carrying the league in non con play the last few years.
Quinnipiac says hi.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI'm watching the US vs Canada world juniors game and it's a good one. Third period is about to start and it feels like this period will have a bunch of goals.
World juniors in general has been kind of insane. Latvia's been crazy. Canada fucked up with the selections as per usual and is suffering. Wouldn't be surprised if a European country takes gold.
Go Slavs!
As a Pole, go Slavs! SWE-FIN will be fun, USA-CZE too. Really could go any way, though I agree USA-SWE is the most likely final.
I guess I was wrong. USA - Finland is the final.
The Sweden - Finland game was fun. Back and forth. Last minute excitement.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI'm watching the US vs Canada world juniors game and it's a good one. Third period is about to start and it feels like this period will have a bunch of goals.
World juniors in general has been kind of insane. Latvia's been crazy. Canada fucked up with the selections as per usual and is suffering. Wouldn't be surprised if a European country takes gold.
Go Slavs!
As a Pole, go Slavs! SWE-FIN will be fun, USA-CZE too. Really could go any way, though I agree USA-SWE is the most likely final.
I guess I was wrong. USA - Finland is the final.
The Sweden - Finland game was fun. Back and forth. Last minute excitement.
Finland's been sneaky good, but I figured Sweden would pull it out. Excited to try to watch the gold medal game tonight and probably fall asleep after one period (in Europe so it'll be like 3 am at that point).
Dartmouth loses 2-1 to Merrimack, a pathetic 0-6 weekend from the rest of the league when we got our first OOC loss in almost 2 years.
I'd be shocked if any team in the conference gets an at-large bid at this point. It's pathetic how bad any team other than Q and Cornell have been underperforming in OOC games the past few years
Quote from: IcebergI'd be shocked if any team in the conference gets an at-large bid at this point. It's pathetic how bad any team other than Q and Cornell have been underperforming in OOC games the past few years
Just another thing I'll never understand .... people harping on this like it's news, or some affront to humanity. The ECAC historically has issues competing on a high level, then had a great stretch for a while. But then the pandemic came and set everyone back a ton. Now, given all the NCAA changes recently, the forces are even further against ECAC teams. This is not the fault of terrible programs or coaches. It's simply the way it is. Get used to it.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: IcebergI'd be shocked if any team in the conference gets an at-large bid at this point. It's pathetic how bad any team other than Q and Cornell have been underperforming in OOC games the past few years
Just another thing I'll never understand .... people harping on this like it's news, or some affront to humanity. The ECAC historically has issues competing on a high level, then had a great stretch for a while. But then the pandemic came and set everyone back a ton. Now, given all the NCAA changes recently, the forces are even further against ECAC teams. This is not the fault of terrible programs or coaches. It's simply the way it is. Get used to it.
I hope the current ECAC commissioner doesn't have this attitude. A lot of the blame can be placed on the pandemic and current NCAA competitive forces but I would hope there's there's a higher expectation and some optimism due exactly to the "great stretch" that you mentioned. Otherwise, what's the point of even being in the same D1 bracket as other schools with supposedly insurmountable advantages?
Pretty embarrassing showing in the first period of the world juniors gold medal game for USA. Look uninspired and are getting beat physically
Quote from: IcebergI hope the current ECAC commissioner doesn't have this attitude. A lot of the blame can be placed on the pandemic and current NCAA competitive forces but I would hope there's there's a higher expectation and some optimism due exactly to the "great stretch" that you mentioned. Otherwise, what's the point of even being in the same D1 bracket as other schools with supposedly insurmountable advantages?
We will always have the disadvantage that most other competing schools can just admit a bag of rocks and not worry about admissions. The other major advantage was their players were pro, but now everyone's are, and our alumni are much richer and more apt to signal their status anxiety by paying players, so that's finally a wash.
Quote from: chimpfoodPretty embarrassing showing in the first period of the world juniors gold medal game for USA. Look uninspired and are getting beat physically
Teddy Stiga called. He wants your criticism privileges revoked.
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
Awesome game, sucks that 3v3 OT decides it though.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: adamwQuote from: IcebergI'd be shocked if any team in the conference gets an at-large bid at this point. It's pathetic how bad any team other than Q and Cornell have been underperforming in OOC games the past few years
Just another thing I'll never understand .... people harping on this like it's news, or some affront to humanity. The ECAC historically has issues competing on a high level, then had a great stretch for a while. But then the pandemic came and set everyone back a ton. Now, given all the NCAA changes recently, the forces are even further against ECAC teams. This is not the fault of terrible programs or coaches. It's simply the way it is. Get used to it.
I hope the current ECAC commissioner doesn't have this attitude. A lot of the blame can be placed on the pandemic and current NCAA competitive forces but I would hope there's there's a higher expectation and some optimism due exactly to the "great stretch" that you mentioned. Otherwise, what's the point of even being in the same D1 bracket as other schools with supposedly insurmountable advantages?
The most recent and current ECAC Commissioners are great guys that I have a lot of respect for.
They both had/have ZERO impact on the on-ice product, nor do they have the ability to, nor should they.
With the at-large dream basically dead we can return to our regularly scheduled programming of rooting against Quinnipiac. Down 1-0 to 59th ranked Stonehill after the first period.
After sweeping CC, Augustana is 12-7-1 on the season.
This is important, because nobody here has heard of Augustana save possibly for my yammering about them.
Last I heard, Stonehill isn't the same as Augustana, not that I would have known about either if it were not for college hockey.
QU came back to defeat Stonehill 6-1.
Quote from: ursusminorLast I heard, Stonehill isn't the same as Augustana, not that I would have known about either if it were not for college hockey.
QU came back to defeat Stonehill 6-1.
No real relation. I'm just endlessly fascinated by Augustana. People here (Sioux Falls, SD) think of it as The Premier Fancy Private School and nobody else has heard of it.
Quote from: DafatoneI'm just endlessly fascinated by Augustana. People here (Sioux Falls, SD) think of it as The Premier Fancy Private School and nobody else has heard of it.
It's pretty well known, along with Saint Olaf and Macalaster, if you are into stuff like Renaissance and Medieval Studies. But TBH I thought it was in MN, not IL.
Edit: Oh shit, that's Augsburg, not Augustana.
As you were.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneI'm just endlessly fascinated by Augustana. People here (Sioux Falls, SD) think of it as The Premier Fancy Private School and nobody else has heard of it.
It's pretty well known, along with Saint Olaf and Macalaster, if you are into stuff like Renaissance and Medieval Studies. But TBH I thought it was in MN, not IL.
Edit: Oh shit, that's Augsburg, not Augustana.
As you were.
My daughter applied to Augustana about 25 years ago and I remember visiting it (from the Chicago area). I don't remember any discussion of their hockey team at the time.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneI'm just endlessly fascinated by Augustana. People here (Sioux Falls, SD) think of it as The Premier Fancy Private School and nobody else has heard of it.
It's pretty well known, along with Saint Olaf and Macalaster, if you are into stuff like Renaissance and Medieval Studies. But TBH I thought it was in MN, not IL.
Edit: Oh shit, that's Augsburg, not Augustana.
As you were.
My daughter applied to Augustana about 25 years ago and I remember visiting it (from the Chicago area). I don't remember any discussion of their hockey team at the time.
It's very new. This is their second or third season in D-1.
Maybe it was just my own confusion, but it turns out that, like Cornell, there are two Augustanas. Augustana College is in Rock Island, IL. Augustana University, the one with the DI hockey team, is in Sioux Falls SD. I'd heard of Augustana when they were somewhat of a power in DIII football -- that's the College.
They are, of course, both called the Vikings.
Quote from: Give My RegardsMaybe it was just my own confusion, but it turns out that, like Cornell, there are two Augustanas. Augustana College is in Rock Island, IL. Augustana University, the one with the DI hockey team, is in Sioux Falls SD. I'd heard of Augustana when they were somewhat of a power in DIII football -- that's the College.
Geez, that means I don't know which Augustana my friend's wife's former boyfriend attended. We all lived in suburban Chicago and the only other bit of info I have is that their 1972 bronze Chevelle had a honking big Augie sticker in the back window. My friend refused to remove the sticker because - I'm assuming - he'd won the biggest prize of his life.
It's a relief that Clarkson lost last night to StL. I had been getting progressively more frustrated at how much they've improved since Casey left.
It's a long shot, but it would be really great if we could beat Quinnipiac next weekend to derail their chance at an at-large bid.
Quote from: BearLoverIt's a relief that Clarkson lost last night to StL. I had been getting progressively more frustrated at how much they've improved since Casey left.
It's a long shot, but it would be really great if we could beat Quinnipiac next weekend to derail their chance at an at-large bid.
They lost to RPI. Easy to watch since we lost early. Easy to replay. RPI looked better than in any home game they've played this season.
Quote from: BearLoverIt's a relief that Clarkson lost last night to StL. I had been getting progressively more frustrated at how much they've improved since Casey left.
It's a long shot, but it would be really great if we could beat Quinnipiac next weekend to derail their chance at an at-large bid.
I could have sworn that Clarkson lost to RPI.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: BearLoverIt's a relief that Clarkson lost last night to StL. I had been getting progressively more frustrated at how much they've improved since Casey left.
It's a long shot, but it would be really great if we could beat Quinnipiac next weekend to derail their chance at an at-large bid.
I could have sworn that Clarkson lost to RPI.
Congrats, UM. They looked awesome.
Ya know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Quote from: TrotskyYa know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Yet only 2 teams (H, P) in the top 50 have fewer wins than we do. Only one other (UAF) has the same total, pending tonight's Alaska showdown.
Let's talk win %
Quote from: TrotskyYa know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Cornell is about .500 versus a middle of the road schedule.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyYa know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Cornell is about .500 versus a middle of the road schedule.
PWR works. KRACH is even better. We are where we should be, given our performance coupled with our talent/luck
We should be thankful that members of this board did so much work in the 1990s to make college hockey one of the most transparent sports in the NCAA universe.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyYa know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Cornell is about .500 versus a middle of the road schedule.
PWR works. KRACH is even better. We are where we should be, given our performance coupled with our talent/luck
We should be thankful that members of this board did so much work in the 1990s to make college hockey one of the most transparent sports in the NCAA universe.
Yes, I agree with you. It's strange though that people fixed on random stats like how many losses we have (we've tied a ton of games and also have played like five fewer games than all the non-Ivies). My point is that even if you're going to disregard the PWR, we still don't like very good.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyYa know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Yet only 2 teams (H, P) in the top 50 have fewer wins than we do. Only one other (UAF) has the same total, pending tonight's Alaska showdown.
Let's talk win %
Et tu, Brute (https://eliteworldrecords.com/records/longest-raspberry-cheer-directed-toward-a-camera&3813#:)?
https://youtu.be/F1zkZNFrBFk
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyYa know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Cornell is about .500 versus a middle of the road schedule.
PWR works. KRACH is even better. We are where we should be, given our performance coupled with our talent/luck
We should be thankful that members of this board did so much work in the 1990s to make college hockey one of the most transparent sports in the NCAA universe.
Yes, I agree with you.... My point is that even if you're going to disregard the PWR, we still don't like very good.
You seem to like nothing much lately. And many on this board do not like your channeling Eeyore this season. I do like the Freudian nature of your phone's spell check. World class AI.
Quote from: martyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyYa know... only 3 teams (MSU 3, BC 4, WMU 4) have fewer losses than we (5).
Cornell is about .500 versus a middle of the road schedule.
PWR works. KRACH is even better. We are where we should be, given our performance coupled with our talent/luck
We should be thankful that members of this board did so much work in the 1990s to make college hockey one of the most transparent sports in the NCAA universe.
Yes, I agree with you.... My point is that even if you're going to disregard the PWR, we still don't like very good.
You seem to like nothing much lately. And many on this board do not like your channeling Eeyore this season. I do like the Freudian nature of your phone's spell check. World class AI.
Meanwhile, many on the board appreciate my willingness to acknowledge that things aren't going well. Many on this board also have grown tired of knee-jerk defenses of the team and coaching staff during what has been the most disappointing season in the history of Cornell hockey. It seems like anytime someone criticizes something about the team, a squad of Russian bots is dispatched into the forum to say positive things about the team and attack the poster doing to criticizing. It's childish behavior to repeatedly respond with personal attacks to me expressing a viewpoint.
Quote from: BearLoverMany on this board also have grown tired of knee-jerk defenses of the team and coaching staff during what has been the most disappointing season in the history of Cornell hockey. It seems like anytime someone criticizes something about the team, a squad of Russian bots is dispatched into the forum to say positive things about the team and attack the poster doing to criticizing. It's childish behavior to repeatedly respond with personal attacks to me expressing a viewpoint.
Dude, 1992-93, 6-19-1. You need to get a grip.
Stop responding to slights and provide some reasoned analysis or go outside for a walk.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverMany on this board also have grown tired of knee-jerk defenses of the team and coaching staff during what has been the most disappointing season in the history of Cornell hockey. It seems like anytime someone criticizes something about the team, a squad of Russian bots is dispatched into the forum to say positive things about the team and attack the poster doing to criticizing. It's childish behavior to repeatedly respond with personal attacks to me expressing a viewpoint.
Dude, 1992-93, 6-19-1. You need to get a grip.
Stop responding to slights and provide some reasoned analysis or go outside for a walk.
Given our history since Schafer took over, it's really, really easy to think the floor is about .500 and we are only a few games above that. As opposed to thinking tha the floor is all the way down at "suck."
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverMany on this board also have grown tired of knee-jerk defenses of the team and coaching staff during what has been the most disappointing season in the history of Cornell hockey. It seems like anytime someone criticizes something about the team, a squad of Russian bots is dispatched into the forum to say positive things about the team and attack the poster doing to criticizing. It's childish behavior to repeatedly respond with personal attacks to me expressing a viewpoint.
Dude, 1992-93, 6-19-1. You need to get a grip.
Stop responding to slights and provide some reasoned analysis or go outside for a walk.
Given our history since Schafer took over, it's really, really easy to think the floor is about .500 and we are only a few games above that. As opposed to thinking tha the floor is all the way down at "suck."
Well, then there's 2014-15, a truly disappointing season. We had really good goalies and that team just fell apart from lack of leadership.
A drop through the .500 floor is always possible. And it can last. Happened to Harvard; happened to Clarkson.
I imagine a few posters will fade into nothingness if that happens. I won't, because I remember.
cuse had about 50 yrs of solid bball.. then a bit of struggle and gave up on the coach and look hows its going now.
people think its easy to stay on top and forget
Neb fball too a dump
kent bball had a hard fall
it can happen to the blue bloods in any sport at any time
miami bball went from final 4 type team to awful in about 2 yrs.
what kind of defenses are these? a season when my old ass was on campus *30* years ago? the fact that the bottom can fall out on a top program means that we shouldn't criticize until it's completely in shambles? i don't get it. i don't even think that criticism of this team is an indication that there's a more extreme general worry, even if BL often sounds skeptical of Jones.
this was a pretty cool weekend in a frustrating year. please stop freaking out at a guy who DOES post his reasons for concern even if you think they're overstated or flat wrong. looks revealingly defensive imo.
Quote from: ugartewhat kind of defenses are these? a season when my old ass was on campus *30* years ago? the fact that the bottom can fall out on a top program means that we shouldn't criticize until it's completely in shambles? i don't get it. i don't even think that criticism of this team is an indication that there's a more extreme general worry, even if BL often sounds skeptical of Jones.
this was a pretty cool weekend in a frustrating year. please stop freaking out at a guy who DOES post his reasons for concern even if you think they're overstated or flat wrong. looks revealingly defensive imo.
Criticism is fine. I'm not even really in the "let's all hate on BL" camp so much as the "the math isn't as dire as BL thinks and the difference between what we are and what we want to be is a few puck bounces and a few Shane saves" camp.
What's tricky to me has been the timing. We took two from NoDak, way to go us. From there, the results have been fairly meh. Certainly, somewhere between 2-0-0 and 7-5-5 it makes sense to go "gee, weren't we supposed to be better than this?"
But it felt like that started pretty much from the jump from tying Yale and losing at Dartmouth. So then, it was "dude we just took two from NoDak, bad games happen, the season just started." Turns out the team didn't turn it around in the first half. But by the time we had enough poor results to really be disappointing, there was a little bit of a boy who cried wolf effect to complaining about the results.
In sum, let's run the table.
Speaking of opponents, I wonder what the OOC schedule will look like next season. I don't think there are any make-up trips either away or at home for OOC opponents. It would be nice to see some HEA teams on the schedule for a change other than UMass and BU (whom I imagine will be an opponent next year at MSG).
We've played Merrimack in the not so distant past and they would seem to be a reasonably strong OOC opponent On top of BU at msg.
Having progressed from criticizing the team to criticizing those who criticize the team to criticizing those who criticize those who criticize the team, I believe we have now established the infinite series.
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Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverMany on this board also have grown tired of knee-jerk defenses of the team and coaching staff during what has been the most disappointing season in the history of Cornell hockey. It seems like anytime someone criticizes something about the team, a squad of Russian bots is dispatched into the forum to say positive things about the team and attack the poster doing to criticizing. It's childish behavior to repeatedly respond with personal attacks to me expressing a viewpoint.
Dude, 1992-93, 6-19-1. You need to get a grip.
Stop responding to slights and provide some reasoned analysis or go outside for a walk.
I said most disappointing season. Not worst season.
Also, really, you had to go back 32 seasons to find one that was (arguably) more disappointing?
I'm dishing out beautifully reasoned analysis in every post. Sit back and enjoy. Also, it's too cold to go outside for a walk.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverMany on this board also have grown tired of knee-jerk defenses of the team and coaching staff during what has been the most disappointing season in the history of Cornell hockey. It seems like anytime someone criticizes something about the team, a squad of Russian bots is dispatched into the forum to say positive things about the team and attack the poster doing to criticizing. It's childish behavior to repeatedly respond with personal attacks to me expressing a viewpoint.
Dude, 1992-93, 6-19-1. You need to get a grip.
Stop responding to slights and provide some reasoned analysis or go outside for a walk.
Given our history since Schafer took over, it's really, really easy to think the floor is about .500 and we are only a few games above that. As opposed to thinking tha the floor is all the way down at "suck."
oof. I had forgotten that season- although there was a really fun OOC slate that year, looking back.
Well, then there's 2014-15, a truly disappointing season. We had really good goalies and that team just fell apart from lack of leadership.
A drop through the .500 floor is always possible. And it can last. Happened to Harvard; happened to Clarkson.
I imagine a few posters will fade into nothingness if that happens. I won't, because I remember.
Quote from: BearLoverMany on this board also have grown tired
Also, really, you had to go back 32 seasons to find one that was (arguably) more disappointing?
That's the point.
In the end, I don't think this season will turn out as disappointing. My experiences have taught me to feel that way. I'm not uncritical. I just... have perspective.
Do I find things frustrating? Oh my, yes. But I enjoy what I can. Little victories that hopefully lead to bigger victories.
Watching Jimmy Rayhill finally play is glorious. I can only imagine what that must feel like. Watching Michael Suda put another shootout away was something. I liked the smile I saw on Flanagan's face when Castagna finally potted one at Princeton, like, "Finally that kid is shooting again."
We'll get there. No point in mourning what you could have had while you still have something. Plenty of time for that when the snow is gone and it's too warm again.
I realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.
Quote from: adamwI realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.
Nah. I wrote something as innocuous as "this suggests to me coaching has something to do with [the team not playing well]" and you called me a moron for even suggesting it. You gave no alternative viewpoint on the team's struggles. Eventually, Tom Lento wrote a long and nuanced take which you claimed as your own, even though his take included a criticism of the coaching (lol).
This is no longer worth arguing about. I'm going to continue to give my thoughts, hopefully at a more reasonable pace and tone, and you can decide for yourself if they rise to the level of you needing to call me stupid for expressing them.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwI realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.
Nah. I wrote something as innocuous as "this suggests to me coaching has something to do with [the team not playing well]" and you called me a moron for even suggesting it. You gave no alternative viewpoint on the team's struggles. Eventually, Tom Lento wrote a long and nuanced take which you claimed as your own, even though his take included a criticism of the coaching (lol).
This is no longer worth arguing about. I'm going to continue to give my thoughts, hopefully at a more reasonable pace and tone, and you can decide for yourself if they rise to the level of you needing to call me stupid for expressing them.
I don't remember Adam ever calling you a
MORON or using the
S Word against you - nor have your other many detractors. But I look forward to you spending the next day or two searching eLynah so that you can prove me wrong.
Your answer may be in the form of an essay or an Excel document whichever is more time intensive.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwI realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.
Nah. I wrote something as innocuous as "this suggests to me coaching has something to do with [the team not playing well]" and you called me a moron for even suggesting it. You gave no alternative viewpoint on the team's struggles. Eventually, Tom Lento wrote a long and nuanced take which you claimed as your own, even though his take included a criticism of the coaching (lol).
This is no longer worth arguing about. I'm going to continue to give my thoughts, hopefully at a more reasonable pace and tone, and you can decide for yourself if they rise to the level of you needing to call me stupid for expressing them.
Your reply here only proves every point I made in my post. Every single one. Good job. It's like performance art.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwI realize he'll never listen or get it, but for the sake of others... Criticism is not the issue. It's wildly unfounded criticism in certain areas, combined with seemingly "reasonably analysis" that is actually cherry picked data or tortured logic... Combined with way too much confidence in his uninformed opinions... And unwillingness to ever acknowledge being wrong or premature... Combined with constant inane demands for others to show their own "reasoned analysis" when that's been done, minus the word soup.
Nah. I wrote something as innocuous as "this suggests to me coaching has something to do with [the team not playing well]" and you called me a moron for even suggesting it. You gave no alternative viewpoint on the team's struggles. Eventually, Tom Lento wrote a long and nuanced take which you claimed as your own, even though his take included a criticism of the coaching (lol).
This is no longer worth arguing about. I'm going to continue to give my thoughts, hopefully at a more reasonable pace and tone, and you can decide for yourself if they rise to the level of you needing to call me stupid for expressing them.
Your reply here only proves every point I made in my post. Every single one. Good job. It's like performance art.
Yawn
Handy list of teams immediately above us in PWR to root against other things being equal:
PLEASE LOSE:
OHIO STATE
LOWELL
MICHIGAN
WISCONSIN
MANKATO
UNH
From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Quote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
I saw that during the Rangers game yesterday. Serves them right for trying to pretend they are a pro team. So what, every freshman in his first game is supposed to take a rookie lap? Obnoxious
Quote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Quote from: stereaxWasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Some of the BU fans are convinced it was and that Quinn Hutson was responsible since Pandolfo elected to have him serve the penalty, despite being their best player. Although I don't really follow BU enough to know if Hutson regularly takes PK shifts or not.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: stereaxWasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Some of the BU fans are convinced it was and that Quinn Hutson was responsible since Pandolfo elected to have him serve the penalty, despite being their best player. Although I don't really follow BU enough to know if Hutson regularly takes PK shifts or not.
I have a friend who does stat tracking for BU and that's what he's saying happened, plus if you watch Pando's postgame (https://fxtwitter.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883357979866710221) he complains about it too. Quinn Hutson is NOTTTTTTTTTT their best player LMAO. You might be thinking of his brother Cole Hutson?
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67Quote from: stereaxWasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Some of the BU fans are convinced it was and that Quinn Hutson was responsible since Pandolfo elected to have him serve the penalty, despite being their best player. Although I don't really follow BU enough to know if Hutson regularly takes PK shifts or not.
I have a friend who does stat tracking for BU and that's what he's saying happened, plus if you watch Pando's postgame (https://fxtwitter.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883357979866710221) he complains about it too. Quinn Hutson is NOTTTTTTTTTT their best player LMAO. You might be thinking of his brother Cole Hutson?
Isn't Quinn their scoring leader (which I realize doesn't always equate with "best")? Is Cole thought to be the better prospect?
I know Eiserman is the really highly touted one, but again I don't follow BU enough to know how much those expectations have translated to on-ice performance.
Quote from: stereaxApparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation.
If I were the BC Athletic Director I'd give that person a raise! ::popcorn::
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Quote from: sah67Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67Quote from: stereaxWasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Some of the BU fans are convinced it was and that Quinn Hutson was responsible since Pandolfo elected to have him serve the penalty, despite being their best player. Although I don't really follow BU enough to know if Hutson regularly takes PK shifts or not.
I have a friend who does stat tracking for BU and that's what he's saying happened, plus if you watch Pando's postgame (https://fxtwitter.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883357979866710221) he complains about it too. Quinn Hutson is NOTTTTTTTTTT their best player LMAO. You might be thinking of his brother Cole Hutson?
Isn't Quinn their scoring leader (which I realize doesn't always equate with "best")? Is Cole thought to be the better prospect?
I know Eiserman is the really highly touted one, but again I don't follow BU enough to know how much those expectations have translated to on-ice performance.
Cole Hutson is for sure better than Quinn Hutson, but Cole plays D and Quinn plays F. Cole Eiserman is probably going to be the best NHL forward currently on the team, born goalscorer. For context, Quinn is a junior with 26 pts, both Coles are freshmen with 21.
From all I've understood, the forwards and defense are fine, but the goaltending has been really terrible this year and has cost BU. That being said, Yegorov looked really solid in his debut and it's assumed that he's going to be taking over starting goaltending duties from now on.
Quote from: stereaxCole Hutson is for sure better than Quinn Hutson, but Cole plays D and Quinn plays F. Cole Eiserman is probably going to be the best NHL forward currently on the team, born goalscorer. For context, Quinn is a junior with 26 pts, both Coles are freshmen with 21.
From all I've understood, the forwards and defense are fine, but the goaltending has been really terrible this year and has cost BU. That being said, Yegorov looked really solid in his debut and it's assumed that he's going to be taking over starting goaltending duties from now on.
Taking over from the former Brown goaltender Caron, who just hasn't looked the same since transfering to BU after two years in the ECAC.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: stereaxCole Hutson is for sure better than Quinn Hutson, but Cole plays D and Quinn plays F. Cole Eiserman is probably going to be the best NHL forward currently on the team, born goalscorer. For context, Quinn is a junior with 26 pts, both Coles are freshmen with 21.
From all I've understood, the forwards and defense are fine, but the goaltending has been really terrible this year and has cost BU. That being said, Yegorov looked really solid in his debut and it's assumed that he's going to be taking over starting goaltending duties from now on.
Taking over from the former Brown goaltender Caron, who just hasn't looked the same since transfering to BU after two years in the ECAC.
He was fine last year, I thought, but this year he fell off a CLIFF. In the words of BU friend in the context of Yegorov's glove use, "It's a big departure from BU's other goalie that has mostly started, Caron, who completely forgot how to use his glove this year". In our DMs, "chewy had a good BU career/i wish him luck with his medschool apps"...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don't even think you can do that.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don't even think you can do that.
Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.
Arthur will know.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: CU2007Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don't even think you can do that.
Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.
Can't the opposing coach just put out 4 skaters for a de facto decline?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: CU2007Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don't even think you can do that.
Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.
Can't the opposing coach just put out 4 skaters for a de facto decline?
I've just spent an inordinate fraction of my evening search the rule book for any relevant passages. There is nothing with any form of the word "decline" except that if a team declines to play an overtime period they lose the game. There is this in Section 4 of the Interpretations, emphasis mine.
QuoteA.R. 2: Can referees assess penalties during the pregame warm-up? RULING:
Yes. Referees must penalize any infractions they observe during the warm-up in
the same manner as if play is actually in progress. Penalties assessed during the
warm-up will begin at the opening faceoff.
And this in Section 10, Rule 82 on Timing
QuoteA.R. 4: Is it permissible for the home team to alter the protocol in situations in
which there is a common entrance to the ice surface for both teams? RULING:
Yes. Game management officials should avoid having teams cross when entering
or exiting the ice surface. Conferences and institutions are encouraged to
establish a written policy for visiting teams.
A.R. 5: May the visiting team take the ice before the home team for warmups?
RULING: Yes. While the visiting team may not take the ice before the time
designated in the pregame time schedule, it may take the ice before the home
team if the home team is not prepared to take the ice at its appointed time. The
home team must be assessed a bench minor penalty in this situation.
And for those interested in the Pregame Protocol:
Quote82.2 Pregame Protocol - The following pregame time schedule shall be used at
all games:
Put 60 minutes on the clock and start exactly one hour before game.
43:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that five
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice for warm-up.
39:00—Officials take ice for warm-up.
38:00—Home team takes ice for warm-up.
37:50—Visiting team takes ice for warm-up.
24:00— Horn sounds, signaling one minute remaining in warm-up; team
captains meet with officials.
Note: Meeting with captains may be held before the start of this time schedule.
23:00—Both teams off ice; ice will be resurfaced.
15:00— Eligible players and starting lineups submitted to official scorer.
The home team notifies the visiting team as to the length of
intermissions.
10:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that three
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice.
8:00—Officials take ice.
7:00—Home team takes ice.
6:50—Visiting team takes ice.
6:00— Horn sounds signaling teams to assemble on their respective goal
lines.
5:00— Starting lineups announced; national anthem, crowd control
statement read. Officials check each starting goalkeepers' throat
straps.
0:00—Timekeeper puts 20 minutes on clock; game starts.
Note: Players are prohibited from being on the ice surface before the protocol
begins. Violations of this rule shall be reported to the team's conference for
further action.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: CU2007Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don't even think you can do that.
Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.
Can't the opposing coach just put out 4 skaters for a de facto decline?
I've just spent an inordinate fraction of my evening search the rule book for any relevant passages. There is nothing with any form of the word "decline" except that if a team declines to play an overtime period they lose the game. There is this in Section 4 of the Interpretations, emphasis mine.
QuoteA.R. 2: Can referees assess penalties during the pregame warm-up? RULING:
Yes. Referees must penalize any infractions they observe during the warm-up in
the same manner as if play is actually in progress. Penalties assessed during the
warm-up will begin at the opening faceoff.
And this in Section 10, Rule 82 on Timing
QuoteA.R. 4: Is it permissible for the home team to alter the protocol in situations in
which there is a common entrance to the ice surface for both teams? RULING:
Yes. Game management officials should avoid having teams cross when entering
or exiting the ice surface. Conferences and institutions are encouraged to
establish a written policy for visiting teams.
A.R. 5: May the visiting team take the ice before the home team for warmups?
RULING: Yes. While the visiting team may not take the ice before the time
designated in the pregame time schedule, it may take the ice before the home
team if the home team is not prepared to take the ice at its appointed time. The
home team must be assessed a bench minor penalty in this situation.
And for those interested in the Pregame Protocol:
Quote82.2 Pregame Protocol - The following pregame time schedule shall be used at
all games:
Put 60 minutes on the clock and start exactly one hour before game.
43:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that five
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice for warm-up.
39:00—Officials take ice for warm-up.
38:00—Home team takes ice for warm-up.
37:50—Visiting team takes ice for warm-up.
24:00— Horn sounds, signaling one minute remaining in warm-up; team
captains meet with officials.
Note: Meeting with captains may be held before the start of this time schedule.
23:00—Both teams off ice; ice will be resurfaced.
15:00— Eligible players and starting lineups submitted to official scorer.
The home team notifies the visiting team as to the length of
intermissions.
10:00— Home team personnel notifies teams and officials that three
minutes remain before teams are to take the ice.
8:00—Officials take ice.
7:00—Home team takes ice.
6:50—Visiting team takes ice.
6:00— Horn sounds signaling teams to assemble on their respective goal
lines.
5:00— Starting lineups announced; national anthem, crowd control
statement read. Officials check each starting goalkeepers' throat
straps.
0:00—Timekeeper puts 20 minutes on clock; game starts.
Note: Players are prohibited from being on the ice surface before the protocol
begins. Violations of this rule shall be reported to the team's conference for
further action.
Hmmmm! Good to know. From what I heard, it sounded like there was some possibility to decline or not penalize or whatever may have it (especially if the opposing team's staff is at least partially at fault), but I must've been mistaken. Thanks for all this info, David!
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: CU2007Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67From the "things you don't see every day" department...BU's freshman goalie hit the ice for warm-ups 1 minute earlier than he was supposed to (before BC entered), leading to BU being assessed a bench minor delay-of-game penalty, and BC starting the game on the powerplay, during which they scored what ended up being the GWG (24 seconds into the game):
https://x.com/BOShockeyblog/status/1883295658821718220
Yegorov!!! Beloved. Devils prospect. Apparently the BC staff opened the door to the ice early and Yegorov (who's only played in the USHL to this point) took it as an invitation. Pando (BU coach) was SPITTING mad about it (apparently, if something like that happens, custom is to decline the penalty because it's not really BU's fault). Wasn't a rookie lap at all, VIEWfromK.
Decline the penalty? Never seen that and don't even think you can do that.
Supposedly if it's a penalty of that sort it's possible to decline it? I'm not sure. I'm just going off what my friend said, haha. Supposedly it's enforced at refs' discretion, too.
Can't the opposing coach just put out 4 skaters for a de facto decline?
Possibly, that could be the case, yeah.
The beanpot is always a fun watch on slow Monday nights. Today we have the pleasure of watching Harvard get dismantled by BU without worrying about the pairwise implications for us.
Quote from: chimpfoodThe beanpot is always a fun watch on slow Monday nights. Today we have the pleasure of watching Harvard get dismantled by BU without worrying about the pairwise implications for us.
Wheeeeeee! I'm throwing my fish at the screen <3
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodThe beanpot is always a fun watch on slow Monday nights. Today we have the pleasure of watching Harvard get dismantled by BU without worrying about the pairwise implications for us.
Wheeeeeee! I'm throwing my fish at the screen <3
HA!
Harvard, which always sucks at Beanpot, is sucking even worse than usual tonight. After taking a 1-0 lead, Harvard trails 6-1 heading into third period. BU scored five goals in second period. It's hard to believe BU lost to Yale back in December.
BU has 27 power play goals this season and one of their players has 8, which is more than Cornell has scored all season as a team.
It's silly watching Cole Hutson out there, he is so good in the O zone.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodThe beanpot is always a fun watch on slow Monday nights. Today we have the pleasure of watching Harvard get dismantled by BU without worrying about the pairwise implications for us.
Wheeeeeee! I'm throwing my fish at the screen <3
HA!
:)
Quote from: chimpfoodIt's silly watching Cole Hutson out there, he is so good in the O zone.
He's gonna tear it up in the NHL. Imagine that he didn't even go in the 1st round.
Quote from: chimpfoodIt's silly watching Cole Hutson out there, he is so good in the O zone.
Wasn't watching, but it sounds like BU had their top powerplay unit out there with just a few minutes to go when they were already up 6-1. Did Donato do something to piss them off?
There was a minor scrum late in the game after a whistle but it must've pissed pandalfo off because he challenge while up 6-1 with 5 mins to go and was clearly trying to run up the score
Quote from: sah67Quote from: chimpfoodIt's silly watching Cole Hutson out there, he is so good in the O zone.
Wasn't watching, but it sounds like BU had their top powerplay unit out there with just a few minutes to go when they were already up 6-1. Did Donato do something to piss them off?
Took the ice early for warmups? ::bolt::
It's honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I'd be furious if I were a Harvard fan.
So basically the Yankees of the last 20 yrs
Quote from: BearLoverIt's honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I'd be furious if I were a Harvard fan.
Consistent player underperformance due to or independent of coaching. Donato would'nt have lasted as long as he has at many other schools, that's for sure. But this is the Harvard admin we're talking about
Quote from: upprdeckSo basically the Yankees of the last 20 yrs
Well, the Yankees almost always make the playoffs. Harvard is outright horrible pretty often despite having some of the best talent in all of college hockey. Their best years recently have included a lot of ECAC titles and even a frozen four appearance, but their down years have been much worse than Cornell's "down" years.
The Harvard women's hockey team is 2-20-2 this season after going 5-23-2 last year. That program has been in a shambles since Harvard fired its coach of 29 years after dozens of players claimed she treated them abusively. So if we compare the men's program to the women's program, Donato is doing a great job!
Coach says Donaldson/ Psenicka / Penny back this week and Major next week.
Quote from: BearLoverIt's honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I'd be furious if I were a Harvard fan.
Wait, what's a Harvard fan?
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: BearLoverIt's honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I'd be furious if I were a Harvard fan.
Consistent player underperformance due to or independent of coaching. Donato would'nt have lasted as long as he has at many other schools, that's for sure. But this is the Harvard admin we're talking about
As I've said, combine Keith Allain and Drury and you have the perfect coach-one can coach, one can recruit.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: BearLoverIt's honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I'd be furious if I were a Harvard fan.
Wait, what's a Harvard fan?
As the BU fans on USCHO put it: "Too bad all of Harvard's fans walked out on them once the result seemed inevitable. Or maybe they both just wanted to get a beer from concessions."
Quote from: sah67Quote from: arugulaQuote from: BearLoverIt's honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I'd be furious if I were a Harvard fan.
Wait, what's a Harvard fan?
As the BU fans on USCHO put it: "Too bad all of Harvard's fans walked out on them once the result seemed inevitable. Or maybe they both just wanted to get a beer from concessions."
Harvard fan (noun): a device used to move air found in Cambridge, Massachusetts... wait... (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/9/15/huds-workers-heat-exhaustion/)
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: sah67Quote from: arugulaQuote from: BearLoverIt's honestly shocking how bad Harvard is. No other college program with this many draft picks is anywhere close to as bad. I'd be furious if I were a Harvard fan.
Wait, what's a Harvard fan?
As the BU fans on USCHO put it: "Too bad all of Harvard's fans walked out on them once the result seemed inevitable. Or maybe they both just wanted to get a beer from concessions."
Harvard fan (noun): a device used to move air found in Cambridge, Massachusetts... wait... (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/9/15/huds-workers-heat-exhaustion/)
This is all hilarious
Quote from: upprdeckSo basically the Yankees of the last 20 yrs
In that they both have always sucked ass, yes.
So aggravating to see Maine at number 4. A team we beat fairly handily in the NCAA I thought.
Quote from: arugulaSo aggravating to see Maine at number 4. A team we beat fairly handily in the NCAA I thought.
Different year, different team.
In our case barely.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: arugulaSo aggravating to see Maine at number 4. A team we beat fairly handily in the NCAA I thought.
Different year, different team.
They lost their best player and first round pick to the pros after last season too.
Nicky Niemo transferred from Bentley to Maine for last year. He is a local kid in my area from Middlebury, VT, so I have been following them this year. His brother plays in our Sunday night pick-up skate.
Dartmouth could take a few pointers from Wisconsin's Pietila on proper taunting of the opposing student section: https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1888008790567428335
OT @ Toothpaste.
Jesus this is boring.
We aren't getting a bye, and we certainly aren't getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don't get an at-large bid.
Quote from: BearLoverWe aren't getting a bye, and we certainly aren't getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don't get an at-large bid.
Not the only thing. I'll be rooting for (an albeit unlikely) run to the league championship (and the auto-bid), but you do you. It's still not an impossible task, given the general parity of the upper half of the league. But a lot has to fall in place.
Edit: Fukkit, the whole league top-to-bottom has as much parity as I've ever seen. Most years, there are 1-2 teams running away with it, and 1-2 teams with 2-4 wins. This year, the top 5 are within 5 points of each other, and the bottom 5 are within 3 points of each other. I feel the "any given night" cliche really hits. Nobody has fewer than 4 league losses and the last place team has 9. This is shaping up to be a weirdly unpredictable postseason.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverWe aren't getting a bye, and we certainly aren't getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don't get an at-large bid.
Not the only thing. I'll be rooting for (an albeit unlikely) run to the league championship (and the auto-bid), but you do you. It's still not an impossible task, given the general parity of the upper half of the league. But a lot has to fall in place.
yeah for sure. jfc, bl, we aren't going to win ECACs but I'm still going to *root for it*. hell I'm even going to watch these last few weekends. there's got to be something in between constant gloom and "good results are nice but i just think hockey is neat."
how come I'm the only person who gets this exactly right?
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverWe aren't getting a bye, and we certainly aren't getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don't get an at-large bid.
Not the only thing. I'll be rooting for (an albeit unlikely) run to the league championship (and the auto-bid), but you do you. It's still not an impossible task, given the general parity of the upper half of the league. But a lot has to fall in place.
Edit: Fukkit, the whole league top-to-bottom has as much parity as I've ever seen. Most years, there are 1-2 teams running away with it, and 1-2 teams with 2-4 wins. This year, the top 5 are within 5 points of each other, and the bottom 5 are within 3 points of each other. I feel the "any given night" cliche really hits. Nobody has fewer than 4 league losses and the last place team has 9. This is shaping up to be a weirdly unpredictable postseason.
Interesting point about parity, but it seems to me that the parity has been caused by the upper teams dropping down, not with a simultaneous improvement by the bottom of the league. OTOH, it seems that there is greater parity on the women's side considering that my team, RPI, defeated Colgate on Saturday. OTOH by either points or percentage the men are less spread out than the women.
Upon rereading this, I am not sure that I can call the RPI women my team since there was no women's hockey at RPI when I was there. A matter of fact there were very few women at all.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverWe aren't getting a bye, and we certainly aren't getting an at-large bid. The only thing left to do now is to root against Quinnipiac so they don't get an at-large bid.
Not the only thing. I'll be rooting for (an albeit unlikely) run to the league championship (and the auto-bid), but you do you. It's still not an impossible task, given the general parity of the upper half of the league. But a lot has to fall in place.
Edit: Fukkit, the whole league top-to-bottom has as much parity as I've ever seen. Most years, there are 1-2 teams running away with it, and 1-2 teams with 2-4 wins. This year, the top 5 are within 5 points of each other, and the bottom 5 are within 3 points of each other. I feel the "any given night" cliche really hits. Nobody has fewer than 4 league losses and the last place team has 9. This is shaping up to be a weirdly unpredictable postseason.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant things to root for for the remainder of the regular season. I'll be following and rooting for Cornell during the ECAC tournament.
For the record, I'd put Cornell's chances of winning the ECAC tournament at about 1/16, or 6.25%.
Still going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.
Quote from: arugulaStill going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.
Not pizza. In New Haven it's a-beets!
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: arugulaStill going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.
Not pizza. In New Haven it's a-beets!
Had to think out loud to get that. I wonder if they pronounce the consonant somewhere between a "p" and a "b".
My wife makes - and I eat - paklava. We don't make baklava though we occasionally eat it. My mouth doesn't do the "pb" sound.
Does eLynah have a designated language afficionado?
I think the chances of the ECAC championship are higher than some might think. Remember, just because we got some guys back this past weekend doesn't mean we're going to be firing on full cylinders immediately. It takes time for the individual player to get back to full game speed and it takes time and practices to reacquaint everyone into their place in the line-up. That, and there are still a few bodies to get back. Lgr
Our next "meaningful" game is the First Round. We can enjoy the rest of the RS as pure present experience with no lasting significance.
Not optimal, but its own aesthetic.
Quote from: TrotskyOur next "meaningful" game is the First Round. We can enjoy the rest of the RS as pure present experience with no lasting significance.
Not optimal, but its own aesthetic.
If we run the table from here on out, we still have a shot at a bye.
Granted, there's no reason to believe we're going to do so.
Quote from: martyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: arugulaStill going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.
Not pizza. In New Haven it's a-beets!
Had to think out loud to get that. I wonder if they pronounce the consonant somewhere between a "p" and a "b".
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/27/the-lasting-pleasures-of-new-haven-pizza#:~:text=But%2C%20of%20course%2C%20I%20would,bit%20of%20enduring%20Neapolitan%20dialect.
Quote from: martyDoes eLynah have a designated language afficionado?
Arthur Mintz. There is no second place.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: arugulaStill going to New Haven next weekend. Nothing will keep me from pizza.
Not pizza. In New Haven it's a-beets!
Ah-beetz!
Watching brown today and I didn't realize that they could be scary in the next few years. Only 2 of their top 10 scorers are seniors and most are freshman or sophomores. Their stud goalie is also a sophomore so if they can hold on to their guys they might have their first ever stint of being good.
Quote from: chimpfoodWatching brown today and I didn't realize that they could be scary in the next few years. Only 2 of their top 10 scorers are seniors and most are freshman or sophomores. Their stud goalie is also a sophomore so if they can hold on to their guys they might have their first ever stint of being good.
They do have a history of good keepers.
The league is so insanely close and random this year that i could see us winning the tournament or losing the single game. No one to fear in the league that's for sure. As it stands I think we would play rpi first. If we win we would play union. Not scary.
Brown has won six of its last seven games. No game is an easy game for Cornell this season, but the upcoming game at Brown will be a big challenge.
The Lincoln stars have 3 incoming forwards on their team, Pelletier, Diguilian, and sandruck. Annoyingly, they don't play any of them on the same line so we don't get any existing chemistry next year.
Didn't Digilulian play with Kraft somewhere along the way? I could be wrong but my dad mentioned it a while back and he seemed to think they played well together
Overlap at Kent School:
https://neutralzone.com/prep-boys/team/kent-school-33/
Ahhh
You beat me to it
Thx
Sports family, like the Devlins
A Thorne On Their Side: Last week in Connecticut, Gary Thorne, now 75, called a high school hockey game, Kent vs. Canterbury. Thorne's grandson, Gio DiGiulian, soon to play for Cornell on scholarship, scored twice, including the winner. And Gio's father, Damian, head hockey coach at Saint Michael's College (Vt.) and Thorne's son-in-law, did color.
Quote from: SnowballOverlap at Kent School:
https://neutralzone.com/prep-boys/team/kent-school-33/
Pops just sent this:
KENT LIONS 20 GOAL CLUB
DANNY COLVIN *08: 2006-2007 20 GOALS
DANNY COLVIN 08: 2007-2008 31 GOALS
DREW BROWN '11: 2009-2010 26 GOALS
DREW BROWN •11: 2010-2011 22 GOALS
NOEL ACCIARI '11: 2010-2011 31 GOALS
MIKE POSMA "19: 2018-2019 21 GOALS
JAKE KRAFT •22: 2021-2022 25 GOALS E DANTE PALOMBO •22: 2021-2022 22 GOALS GIO DIGIULIAN 24: ® 2023-2024 20 GOALSE
Nice
In the Beanpot final Monday night, won by BU over BC, 4-1, each team had 44 shots on goal. (Harvard beat Northeastern, 4-3, in consolation game).
The Harvard win moved us to 32, and the BU win moved us to 31. If we could just not play and the right teams win, we'll be back in the mid-20's in no time.
By this point in the season usually there are projection tools for pairwise right? If we win out and then lose in the ECAC finals, what's the highest we can rank? I just want to officially put this to bed in my own mind.
Cornell is 4-2-2 (including one SOW and one SOL) in the Ivy League. Dartmouth is 6-2. Both have games remaining against Yale and Brown on the road. If I understand correctly how the Ivy League calculates points, to win the Ivy, Cornell will need to finish at least 3 points better than Dartmouth in their remaining two games against Yale/Brown. So, for example, if Cornell goes 2-0, they will tie Dartmouth for the title if Dartmouth goes 1-1.
Too bad Cornell completely botched the game in Hanover. They'd be in the driver's seat for the Ivy otherwise.
I just noticed that QPee is on the pairwise bubble. If the league tournaments were held with these numbers the ECAC might have only one school in the NCAA tourney.
Quote from: martyI just noticed that QPee is on the pairwise bubble. If the league tournaments were held with these numbers the ECAC might have only one school in the NCAA tourney.
Yes, need to root against Quinnipiac.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: martyI just noticed that QPee is on the pairwise bubble. If the league tournaments were held with these numbers the ECAC might have only one school in the NCAA tourney.
Yes, need to root against Quinnipiac.
Is there an app for that? Most Apple users have iPee and iPoop but I've not seen evidence of the Q app.
Quote from: dbilmesIn the Beanpot final Monday night, won by BU over BC, 4-1, each team had 44 shots on goal. (Harvard beat Northeastern, 4-3, in consolation game).
Yegorov with another outstanding night. First period was mostly BC, second and third BU took the driver's seat and never looked back.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: martyI just noticed that QPee is on the pairwise bubble. If the league tournaments were held with these numbers the ECAC might have only one school in the NCAA tourney.
Yes, need to root against Quinnipiac.
The only way I could see two teams getting in is if Q loses in the championship game to a team that isn't too low in the pairwise. Not out of the realm of possibility since this season's Q team is not as good as the ones of the past three seasons, so I could very well see them getting eliminated before then (likely in the conference semis).
Yale blows a 4-1 lead in the 3rd against Colgate. Now tied 4-4 with 30 seconds left. I guess we were unlikely to catch Gate but certainly doesn't help.
Quote from: CU2007Yale blows a 4-1 lead in the 3rd against Colgate. Now tied 4-4 with 30 seconds left. I guess we were unlikely to catch Gate but certainly doesn't help.
Colgate was 9 pts ahead with 6 games left and the tiebreaker over us. We weren't gonna catch them. We are 2 pts behind Dartmouth and 4 behind Union. Those are the teams we have a realistic shot at catching. Unfortunately Dartmouth has an easy remaining schedule, and if we beat Union on the road we would still to finish 1 or 2 pts better than them in the other four remaining games. (I assume 2 pts better because we've been so bad against the top teams in our league and I have to imagine that's one of the tiebreakers.)
Yale over Colgate in OT, FWIW
The Union loss is the killer. Flip that result and we are now alone in 4th.
First of all they have to probably win out for most of it to matter. Given thats 42 pts
play the what if game, its fun
Cornell 42
Dart loses on SR night to Yale thats 41
Colgate loses Clark.Union in Sr night and Ot tie to someone thats
Union loses to Dart/Cornell That 40
Clarkson loses to Quin/Harv/Cornell thats 39
win out and
5th probably happens
4th can easily happen
3rd might happen
2nd is a stretch
Yale only went to OT because mid 3rd they made a pass from behind the net to a wide open player with the goalie out of the play and from about 3 ft he whiffed it went to a colfate kid who went the length of the ice and scored. then colgate pulled the goalie at the end and scored again
picked up 3 on union
picked up 5 on colgate
picked up 3 on harvard
quin push
picked up 5 on dartmouth
win next week and you gain on clark or colgate and union or dart
That one stupid loss to Union...
VT loses
NH will lose
mass and mass lowel in reach
but we need to make that matter
and hope the good teams win down the stretch
need Mich st minn to beat PSU next 2 weeks
maine/bu to beat uconn
OSU over mich
mass lowell and maine to beat umass
lots of results to hope for
If everything goes right in for our non conference opponents AND we sweep the rest of the way before losing to quinnipiac in the ECAC final, MAYBE we get an at large bid. It's nice to see us climbing but the rpi is what matters, not the actual pairwise number and we're very far away. Let's not get our hopes up for an at large bid and just be glad that we're working our way toward a bye.
Dartmouth losing 2-0 to Brown. If that holds, we win the Ivy, despite the colossal disappointment of a season.
Quote from: BearLoverDartmouth losing 2-0 to Brown. If that holds, we win the Ivy, despite the colossal disappointment of a season.
Something, at least!
Quote from: BearLoverDartmouth losing 2-0 to Brown. If that holds, we win the Ivy, despite the colossal disappointment of a season.
2-2 now. This team doesn't deserve a banner anyway.
I have long given up on Cornell going anywhere this year. But I still had things to root for tonight: if Brown held on to a 2-0 lead over Dartmouth, Cornell would win the Ivy. And if Clarkson held on to a 2-0 lead over Quinnipiac, it would kill Quinnipiac's at-large chances and ensure the ECAC is a one-bid league this year. Guess how that turned out?
Lmaooooo
In OT Clarkson commits obviously penalty (you could call high sticking, you could call interference, you could call just about anything), Q player goes down, refs totally miss it, Clarkson ends up with a clear breakaway and scores the OT winner. Now they're reviewing, but they can only undo the goal by calling a major, which it obviously wasn't. So the goal stands even though it was 100% caused by a penalty.
I wasn't watching with sound on so I don't know if the announcers had any further analysis.
It's darkly hilarious that Cornell hired away Clarkson's coach and then Clarkson vastly improved. But Q losing on a horrible blown call is even funnier.
Quote from: BearLoverLmaooooo
In OT Clarkson commits obviously penalty (you could call high sticking, you could call interference, you could call just about anything), Q player goes down, refs totally miss it, Clarkson ends up with a clear breakaway and scores the OT winner. Now they're reviewing, but they can only undo the goal by calling a major, which it obviously wasn't. So the goal stands even though it was 100% caused by a penalty.
I wasn't watching with sound on so I don't know if the announcers had any further analysis.
It's darkly hilarious that Cornell hired away Clarkson's coach and then Clarkson vastly improved. But Q losing on a horrible blown call is even funnier.
Or they just added a good goalie in the portal (who Casey recruited btw) and their best player already has 11 more goals than his total last year. I do think that Houle is probably a better coach than Jones but he's not the whole reason that they are better.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: BearLoverDartmouth losing 2-0 to Brown. If that holds, we win the Ivy, despite the colossal disappointment of a season.
2-2 now. This team doesn't deserve a banner anyway.
The team that earns the banner "deserves" it. The word has no other meaning.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: BearLoverLmaooooo
In OT Clarkson commits obviously penalty (you could call high sticking, you could call interference, you could call just about anything), Q player goes down, refs totally miss it, Clarkson ends up with a clear breakaway and scores the OT winner. Now they're reviewing, but they can only undo the goal by calling a major, which it obviously wasn't. So the goal stands even though it was 100% caused by a penalty.
I wasn't watching with sound on so I don't know if the announcers had any further analysis.
It's darkly hilarious that Cornell hired away Clarkson's coach and then Clarkson vastly improved. But Q losing on a horrible blown call is even funnier.
Or they just added a good goalie in the portal (who Casey recruited btw) and their best player already has 11 more goals than his total last year. I do think that Houle is probably a better coach than Jones but he's not the whole reason that they are better.
I really look forward to the both of you eating this line of BS.
Or just leaving.
Winning with Casey will have just a little extra appeal after this, it's true.
As with every petulant, premature "X is not the answer."
Quote from: TrotskyWinning with Casey will have just a little extra appeal after this, it's true.
As with every petulant, premature "X is not the answer."
I learned not to jump to conclusions back in my junior year, through prejudging Jason Elliot as "not the answer" after a bad road tie at Union.
Just to be clear: Casey recruited the team that is currently winning at Clarkson. Casey is likely a good coach. I predict Cornell will have more success than Clarkson over the next five years.
But: Clarkson's new coach was a successful AHL coach considered to have been on the path to a potential NHL head coaching job. Casey had little success the past two seasons with many of the same players. He moved over to Cornell, which has struggled mightily this season. And Clarkson seems to be recruiting very well from the CHL.
So even if Cornell's trajectory looks more positive than Clarkson's, the gap looks much smaller than it did a year ago.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyWinning with Casey will have just a little extra appeal after this, it's true.
As with every petulant, premature "X is not the answer."
I learned not to jump to conclusions back in my junior year, through prejudging Jason Elliot as "not the answer" after a bad road tie at Union.
I think mine was the first(?) women's weekend this year where Bergmann let in a muffin from the blue line and I was like "okay so she's not that good, right?" (Not knowing that she was rookie of the year last year for a reason...)
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyWinning with Casey will have just a little extra appeal after this, it's true.
As with every petulant, premature "X is not the answer."
I learned not to jump to conclusions back in my junior year, through prejudging Jason Elliot as "not the answer" after a bad road tie at Union.
I think mine was the first(?) women's weekend this year where Bergmann let in a muffin from the blue line and I was like "okay so she's not that good, right?" (Not knowing that she was rookie of the year last year for a reason...)
LOL.
I never appreciated Gary Cullen when I was an undergrad. What I would do now for such a point machine (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptPlayer_Scoring/rptPlayer_Scoring_Cullen_Gary.pdf).
Quote from: chimpfoodI do think that [Jean-François Houle Clarkson '97] Houle is probably a better coach than Jones but he's not the whole reason that they are better.
[In unison] No, it's their system.
Princeton up on Clarkson 3-1.
Tonight Quinnipiac won its 5th clearly cup in a row. Since 2013 they have a national championship and 2 ncaa finals appearances, and they have come in first place in the ECAC 9/13 years. They've clearly surpassed Cornell at this point. People on here can cope about them having no academic standards, and that's true, but the same is true for almost every D-1 hockey school and many of the schools in the ECAC. Let's all hope for a major regression by Quinnipiac and the rest of the ECAC in the next five years. Thank you!
I think Q will continue to reload every year, at least as long as That Man is there.
They're just a feature of the natural environment at this point. Going in to this year it was going to be us and them and, well, funny story.
Whether it takes 1 year or 4 to rebuild our way back to excellence, we'll be seeing them up there when we get there.
Quote from: BearLoverTonight Quinnipiac won its 5th clearly cup in a row. Since 2013 they have a national championship and 2 ncaa finals appearances, and they have come in first place in the ECAC 9/13 years. They've clearly surpassed Cornell at this point. People on here can cope about them having no academic standards, and that's true, but the same is true for almost every D-1 hockey school and many of the schools in the ECAC. Let's all hope for a major regression by Quinnipiac and the rest of the ECAC in the next five years. Thank you!
During those past five years, the Ivies have been playing by different eligibility rules. Q has four grads on their roster. Three came from Ohio State, UMass, and North Dakota. Getting players at this developmental level, with an extra year of experience, and that experience coming from highly competitive experiences, on top of having an extra year of physical development, matters.
During those same five years, Cornell was robbed of at title in 2020, and sat out 2021. We, just this year, had seniors who got to spend four straight years playing.
Is that the sole reason for the difference? I don't think so. But it's an important one.
During that time, each team has one conference tournament title. So an alternate question, if Cleary Cups define excellence, is why can't such a dominant team win the tournament more often? Something must be really wrong with their program.
Quote from: pjd8Cornell was robbed of at title in 2020, and sat out 2021.
Thanks for bringing us back to 2020.
At the end of the year we were projected as a FF team.
I wonder how all of this negative discussion would have been if we'd won the ECACs and got to the FF?
It wasn't guaranteed, but was reasonable.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: pjd8Cornell was robbed of at title in 2020, and sat out 2021.
Thanks for bringing us back to 2020.
At the end of the year we were projected as a FF team.
I wonder how all of this negative discussion would have been if we'd won the ECACs and got to the FF?
It wasn't guaranteed, but was reasonable.
I think you may actually be understating this a hair, Jim. Unless my memory is wrong (and it may well be) I think at the end of 2020 we were first in the polls and second in pairwise. If that is correct you could make the argument that we were actually projected to make the championship game!
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: pjd8Cornell was robbed of at title in 2020, and sat out 2021.
Thanks for bringing us back to 2020.
At the end of the year we were projected as a FF team.
I wonder how all of this negative discussion would have been if we'd won the ECACs and got to the FF?
It wasn't guaranteed, but was reasonable.
I think you may actually be understating this a hair, Jim. Unless my memory is wrong (and it may well be) I think at the end of 2020 we were first in the polls and second in pairwise. If that is correct you could make the argument that we were actually projected to make the championship game!
Thanks, I think you're correct, but didn't want to check it to be sure.
Indeed projected to Championship game does emphasize how good we were then.
And for some of us makes us feel better about our teams over the years.
Smith fired at RPI (https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/dave-smith-fired-rpi-men-s-hockey-coach-20212411.php)
Well, he can't claim they didn't give him enough time, 7 yrs of 12-22 type records on avg
Hey, RPI made the playoffs every year with Smith at the helm, I don't know what more they want.
Quote from: RichHHey, RPI made the playoffs every year with Smith at the helm, I don't know what more they want.
Not in 2021 they didn't. ::rolleyes::
Quote from: martySmith fired at RPI (https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/dave-smith-fired-rpi-men-s-hockey-coach-20212411.php)
When you lose to Harvard in the playoffs in the year of our lord 2025... [knocks on wood]
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: martySmith fired at RPI (https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/dave-smith-fired-rpi-men-s-hockey-coach-20212411.php)
When you lose to Harvard in the playoffs in the year of our lord 2025... [knocks on wood]
RPI alum Andrew
Lord has indeed been mentioned as a possibility. He is currently coaching in Halifax (QMJHL).
Quote from: RichHHey, RPI made the playoffs every year with Smith at the helm, I don't know what more they want.
LOL
Clarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
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And Harvard still sucks!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson shoes with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
come on man i tried to edit that
I fixed my post. You can fix yours.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I fixed my post. You can fix yours.
no! I'm not actually upset.
All other games now final. Q, Clarkson, and Dartmouth win.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I fixed my post. You can fix yours.
no! I'm not actually upset.
I know. But I still fixed my post.
UCONN scored en accidental ENG and Providence gets an unsportsmanlike penalty because the guy fruitlessly chasing the puck shoved the net into the boards in frustration. might have gotten the penalty anyway but having the net clip a ref guaranteed it.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
20 in PWR. I know, I know.
13 Qpc
18 Clk
20 Cor
22 Drt
28 Cgt
32 Uni
42 Hvd
42 Brn
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
Exactly.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
I want to win the ECAC and make the NCAA tournament in Mike's final year, not have Mike's career ended by Rand Pecknold.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
"To exceed Ned"???Ned went undefeated in his last year at Cornell. Mike's chance to exceed Ned ended last November.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
I want to win the ECAC and make the NCAA tournament in Mike's final year, not have Mike's career ended by Rand Pecknold.
As do I.
So let's stab the fucker in the face, as we did with Bill Cleary.
Never lose again.
If Cornell wins and no other upsets then we play Quin
If Cornell wins and colg/Clark both lose then we would miss Quin
Dart/Union it doesnt matter who wins
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
"To exceed Ned"???
Ned went undefeated in his last year at Cornell. Mike's chance to exceed Ned ended last November.
During Ned, we played 90% of our games against Little Sisters of the Poor.
I love our history, but any future title is worth 100x our past titles.
Quote from: upprdeckIf Cornell wins and no other upsets then we play Quin
If Cornell wins and colg/Clark both lose then we would miss Quin
Dart/Union it doesnt matter who wins
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PHZkPEzQcjI/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
I want to win the ECAC and make the NCAA tournament in Mike's final year, not have Mike's career ended by Rand Pecknold.
As do I.
So let's stab the fucker in the face, as we did with Bill Cleary.
Never lose again.
This is obviously not worth engaging, but
Cornell is probably going to lose to Quinnipiac
That would be just about the saddest ending to Mike's career possible
Winning the ECAC on a miracle run would be just about the happiest ending possible regardless of whether we have to beat Quinnipiac on the way
Ergo, it would be completely nuts to want to play Quinnipiac next round
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
I want to win the ECAC and make the NCAA tournament in Mike's final year, not have Mike's career ended by Rand Pecknold.
As do I.
So let's stab the fucker in the face, as we did with Bill Cleary.
Never lose again.
This is obviously not worth engaging, but
Cornell is probably going to lose to Quinnipiac
That would be just about the saddest ending to Mike's career possible
Winning the ECAC on a miracle run would be just about the happiest ending possible regardless of whether we have to beat Quinnipiac on the way
Ergo, it would be completely nuts to want to play Quinnipiac next round
you sound like you are in the locker room at lake placid talking back to herb brooks
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
I want to win the ECAC and make the NCAA tournament in Mike's final year, not have Mike's career ended by Rand Pecknold.
As do I.
So let's stab the fucker in the face, as we did with Bill Cleary.
Never lose again.
This is obviously not worth engaging, but
Cornell is probably going to lose to Quinnipiac
That would be just about the saddest ending to Mike's career possible
Winning the ECAC on a miracle run would be just about the happiest ending possible regardless of whether we have to beat Quinnipiac on the way
Ergo, it would be completely nuts to want to play Quinnipiac next round
The saddest ending would have been losing to Yale in a one-game elimination round while Schafer wasn't even on the bench because he took a puck to the head.
Schafer returned, and we didn't lose to Yale.
Attendance for Friday night's ECAC QF games was pretty poor, especially in Hamilton and Potsdam. Feels like the end of an era, and not just for Schafer.
Quote from: imafrshmnAttendance for Friday night's ECAC QF games was pretty poor, especially in Hamilton and Potsdam. Feels like the end of an era, and not just for Schafer.
I feel like that's always the case for this round. Spring Break has already been mentioned as one reason. I don't know if it's still true, but I thought the league set ticket prices for this tournament? Always a killer at Clarkson where students got in for free during the regular season, but then had to pay to get into QF games. At Cornell, the QF tickets were sold as an "add on" option that a lot of people wouldn't pay extra for when ordering season tickets in September.
Quote from: imafrshmnAttendance for Friday night's ECAC QF games was pretty poor, especially in Hamilton and Potsdam. Feels like the end of an era, and not just for Schafer.
Since when have Colgate or Clarkson had good crowds? Also it's spring break I think. Aside from Cornell, attendance in the ECAC/most of college hockey is embarrassing and has been for a long time.
Imagine what the crowd would have been had Cornell not brought so many.
Quote from: upprdeckImagine what the crowd would have been had Cornell not brought so many.
I'm guessing Cornell fans made up perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 of the crowd in Hamilton last night. Our band outnumbered their band three or four to one.
Yeah it didn't feel like the place was half full, But there were several hundred around the upper ring who never sat.
Other than the Cornell games they only get 800-1000 for most games anyway and how much of that is students.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: upprdeckImagine what the crowd would have been had Cornell not brought so many.
I'm guessing Cornell fans made up perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 of the crowd in Hamilton last night. Our band outnumbered their band three or four to one.
Will the band do 50/50 today?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: imafrshmnAttendance for Friday night's ECAC QF games was pretty poor, especially in Hamilton and Potsdam. Feels like the end of an era, and not just for Schafer.
Since when have Colgate or Clarkson had good crowds? Also it's spring break I think. Aside from Cornell, attendance in the ECAC/most of college hockey is embarrassing and has been for a long time.
Clarkson's a sad story, honestly. They used to have great crowds both home and away, second only to Cornell, but that ended with the Mark Morris scandals in the early 2000s (maybe late 90s?) and ensuing run of mediocre to poor results. They had a great program back in the day but it's probably been 20 years since anybody would describe it as such.
Weren't they on a bit of an upswing pre-covid or is that just me hoping Casey Jones is adequate replacement
Quote from: underskillWeren't they on a bit of an upswing pre-covid or is that just me hoping Casey Jones is adequate replacement
They out-Schafer'd us for a bit although the one ECAC playoff game Big Red had some questionable calls go against them with the Malott and Galajda injuries.
Colgate wasn't the only team to get hit with a too many men on the ice penalty when trying to pull their goalie at the end of the game. The same thing happened to Union with 1:07 remaining in it's one-goal loss to Dartmouth. What are the odds are that happening in two games on the same night?
Quote from: underskillWeren't they on a bit of an upswing pre-covid or is that just me hoping Casey Jones is adequate replacement
The three seasons before the pandemic interruptions, Clarkson finished 10th, 5th, and 9th in the Pairwise and captured an ECAC Championship.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: underskillWeren't they on a bit of an upswing pre-covid or is that just me hoping Casey Jones is adequate replacement
The three seasons before the pandemic interruptions, Clarkson finished 10th, 5th, and 9th in the Pairwise and captured an ECAC Championship.
And crowd-wise, things haven't been the same since they moved from Walker to Cheel, which happened after 1990-91. It's an instructive example of what happens when you close an old barn and move to an antiseptic new "facility."
moving to a new building doesnt mean less people will come. In general though attendance is down all over for sports I do think the designers don't look at what makes a barn a barn though,
Quote from: Scersk '97And crowd-wise, things haven't been the same since they moved from Walker to Cheel, which happened after 1990-91. It's an instructive example of what happens when you close an old barn and move to an antiseptic new "facility."
This. So much this.
AP reports (https://apnews.com/article/michigan-womens-hockey-pwhl-ilitch-f18f5a89df3786b3dd48a41a28827605) that University of Michigan is figuring out how to field a D1 women's ice hockey team. Annual costs don't seem to be an obstacle, but rather facilities. 101-year-old Yost Arena has limited space and ice time available.
Quote from: David HardingAP reports (https://apnews.com/article/michigan-womens-hockey-pwhl-ilitch-f18f5a89df3786b3dd48a41a28827605) that University of Michigan is figuring out how to field a D1 women's ice hockey team. Annual costs don't seem to be an obstacle, but rather facilities. 101-year-old Yost Arena has limited space and ice time available.
current title ix enforcement means you can make them get into gear at home and hitchhike to road games.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: imafrshmnAttendance for Friday night's ECAC QF games was pretty poor, especially in Hamilton and Potsdam. Feels like the end of an era, and not just for Schafer.
I feel like that's always the case for this round. Spring Break has already been mentioned as one reason. I don't know if it's still true, but I thought the league set ticket prices for this tournament? Always a killer at Clarkson where students got in for free during the regular season, but then had to pay to get into QF games. At Cornell, the QF tickets were sold as an "add on" option that a lot of people wouldn't pay extra for when ordering season tickets in September.
Indeed. Every year at this time, someone laments the horrible crowd at one location and believes the program is coming to an end. And every year, it follows that someone(s) point out that this happens everywhere in the playoffs. Just last weekend, Minnesota -- which typically sells out 9,000/game -- had about 1/3rd that for a Big Ten playoff game.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97And crowd-wise, things haven't been the same since they moved from Walker to Cheel, which happened after 1990-91. It's an instructive example of what happens when you close an old barn and move to an antiseptic new "facility."
This. So much this.
Well Clarkson's attendance is 87% of capacity (https://www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/division-i-men/)
We are 1% behind Q for % of capacity, but #1 in ECAC for average attendance, 1100 ahead of Q.
Clarkson is #3 in average attendance.
So I don't think they are complaining about their move.
Clarkson went from an 1800 seat to a 3000 seat and avg 2600. They are fine
If Cornell was still pre-reno we would probably be closer to selling out as well by a small amount.
I have the sad we don't sell out. :-/
Hopefully time is a flat circle and someday Lynah will once again be the toughest ticket in town. Darwinian struggle for tickets = smaller % lofo facetime fans = more intense crowd.
But mostly I fear they'll destroy it when we leave Lynah someday. The aesthetic and commercial preferences driving decision-making have been slowly improving since they hit rock bottom about 2000, but we are still deep in the Mindless Greedy Barbarian cul de sac.
May Lynah last until after The Revolution.
Lynah isnt Lynah already.
No place to really put it on campus and if it goes off campus it becomes even less of a thing.
if they had the money leave it. see if some scheme can redo the concrete and the seating. reduce capacity about 10-15% if that works and remove 2 rows.
the problem being the townie side still sells pretty well.
SU just went thru this same issue but Lynah is even tighter.
General admission might help.
It would break up the "rentier" problem where certain unnamed groups essentially rope off sections of the building for themselves. This was I suppose excusable back in the days when those groups also brought their A game to participation, but like everything else it degenerated into a racket and now you get large dead areas where either they don't even show or spend the game on their iPacifiers, or play endless elaborate in-joke masturbation with each other.
The place for mutual masturbation is not Lynah, people. It is West Campus.
Offer also available at Risley. Bring your own sword.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteClarkson scores with 27 seconds left to go up 3-2
And Harvard still sucks!
Very bad outcome. It means Cornell gets Quinnipiac if tonight's results repeat themselves tomorrow.
Doesn't matter. Gotta face them sometime.
No. We didn't have to face them last season because they lost in the semis.
Yeah I know but cmon this year if you want to completely obliterate all the demons what better way than Mike sending Rand home on a stretcher?
It's not a normal year. This season is haunted by ghosts, and there are only two endings: either Mike et al. pull off The Miracle to exceed Ned, or we fall short. So let's hasten unto the day. Win tomorrow night and CRY HAVOC!
I want to win the ECAC and make the NCAA tournament in Mike's final year, not have Mike's career ended by Rand Pecknold.
As do I.
So let's stab the fucker in the face, as we did with Bill Cleary.
Never lose again.
This is obviously not worth engaging, but
Cornell is probably going to lose to Quinnipiac
That would be just about the saddest ending to Mike's career possible
Winning the ECAC on a miracle run would be just about the happiest ending possible regardless of whether we have to beat Quinnipiac on the way
Ergo, it would be completely nuts to want to play Quinnipiac next round
you sound like you are in the locker room at lake placid talking back to herb brooks
If herb brooks had 16,000 posts on a college hockey internet forum.
Dear BL:
Aren't you happy about how fantastically well the team played last night?
Asking for a friend. XO
Quote from: upprdeckLynah isnt Lynah already.
No place to really put it on campus and if it goes off campus it becomes even less of a thing.
if they had the money leave it. see if some scheme can redo the concrete and the seating. reduce capacity about 10-15% if that works and remove 2 rows.
the problem being the townie side still sells pretty well.
SU just went thru this same issue but Lynah is even tighter.
The last renovation made a couple of related things worse: capacity now exceeds demand (although if the prices hadn't doubled in the last 20 years, that might be different), so you don't get a packed house (and can't be confident about selling extra tickets). Plus, adding the extra rows (and boxes) up to the old outer wall means that moving between sections now means going out of the rink area and back in, where before you could still see the ice from behind the last row.
Does anyone have numbers on how often the attendance has exceeded the previous capacity of 3836?
Does the fact that all of the games are televised play some role in diminished attendance?
Quote from: VIEWfromKDoes the fact that all of the games are televised play some role in diminished attendance?
I'd say yes because the need to travel to see away games is gone.
Quote from: VIEWfromKDoes the fact that all of the games are televised play some role in diminished attendance?
Certainly.
Quote from: martyQuote from: VIEWfromKDoes the fact that all of the games are televised play some role in diminished attendance?
I'd say yes because the need to travel to see away games is gone.
Though we could always hear them and hockey is great on the radio if you have a good PBP person.
Shout out to Northeastern for taking it to BC yesterday. Also Notre Dame loses to number 2 ranked MSU by a 1-0 score in Jeff Jackson's final game as head coach.
the reno did not have to mean the boxes had to end in a wall. that was a design idea that was dumb.
Quote from: upprdeckthe reno did not have to mean the boxes had to end in a wall. that was a design idea that was dumb.
It was dumb but don't those walls hold up the building?
sure but that doesnt mean they have to be solid walls.
This has definitely come up before, but is the deal with Lynah that they can't really renovate the seating area too much more without having to make massive changes to bring it into compliance with modern building codes?
Dunno how interesting this is, and it's probably been covered somewhere else, but Minnesota State became the first team to clinch an NCAA bid (the CCHA auto-bid) last night.
The CCHA championship game isn't until Friday, but MSU's opponent in that game will be St. Thomas, which as part of their transition from D-III to D-I is ineligible for the D-I tournament until next year. So, win or lose, the bid goes to MSU.
Quote from: upprdecksure but that doesnt mean they have to be solid walls.
But if you've ever been in the new Lynah, or looked at pictures, you'll see that the extra seats, boxes or on the student side (such as where the band goes), occupy the old area that we used to be able to walk in. So those seats end up being higher than floor level. Even with open walls you couldn't see much, if anything, other than the backs of fans heads.
Watching Game 3 of the QF between Clarkson and Harvard this afternoon...
To recap the stakes for Cornell:
If Harvard, the 7 seed wins, they will face (1) Quinnipiac in the SF and (6) Cornell will get (5) Dartmouth...
If Clarkson wins, as 2 seed, Cornell will face Quinnipiac in the SF.
Quote from: imafrshmnWatching Game 3 of the QF between Clarkson and Harvard this afternoon...
To recap the stakes for Cornell:
If Harvard, the 7 seed wins, they will face (1) Quinnipiac in the SF and (6) Cornell will get (5) Dartmouth...
If Clarkson wins, as 2 seed, Cornell will face Quinnipiac in the SF.
I assume Cornell/Dartmouth would be the late game (7) And Cornell/Q would be the early game (4).
Cornell women play at 5. Host Minnesota has the late game.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: imafrshmnWatching Game 3 of the QF between Clarkson and Harvard this afternoon...
To recap the stakes for Cornell:
If Harvard, the 7 seed wins, they will face (1) Quinnipiac in the SF and (6) Cornell will get (5) Dartmouth...
If Clarkson wins, as 2 seed, Cornell will face Quinnipiac in the SF.
I assume Cornell/Dartmouth would be the late game (7) And Cornell/Q would be the early game (4).
Cornell women play at 5. Host Minnesota has the late game.
The hockey gods have made it clear: we must root for Harvard today.
Quote from: martyShout out to Northeastern for taking it to BC yesterday. Also Notre Dame loses to number 2 ranked MSU by a 1-0 score in Jeff Jackson's final game as head coach.
I watched the last period of this game. Intense, to say the least. It was great to see Northeastern take it to BC in Conte, and it's the first time a #9 seed has made it to the Garden. Would love to see them get the cup and the NCAA bid, especially since Q is now high enough in Pairwise that they should still get a bid even if they don't win it all in Placid, so an upset would mean the ECAC has the potential of two bids.
And if Q didn't get a bid, I wouldn't cry.
Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.
Harvard up 1-0 over Clarkson after a shorthanded breakaway goal. Mick Thompson is a very good player and is only a freshman. Could be very scary in the next few years
Quote from: George64Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.
Not yet. Harvard leads 1-0 in game 3 late in the 1st.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: George64Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.
Not yet. Harvard leads 1-0 in game 3 late in the 1st.
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Quote from: scoop85Quote from: George64Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.
Not yet. Harvard leads 1-0 in game 3 late in the 1st.
God, it's a cold day in hell, I'm rooting for Harvard...
Agree on the cold day.
I want us to play Dartmouth, but not because I don't think we can beat Q-Pak. WE CAN.
Need revenge on Dartmouth for their humiliating us at Lynah. They should also reimburse me for the extra glasses of rosé I needed to wash away that game at the Statler Bar.
I've kept the receipt.
Venmo works for me
Quote from: George64Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.
The ECAC website, which is terrible BTW, had last night's score in the spot for today's game 3, even though it hadn't been played yet.
Quote from: ChousnakeQuote from: George64Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.
The ECAC website, which is terrible BTW, had last night's score in the spot for today's game 3, even though it hadn't been played yet.
The Ivy website is worse.
The NC$$ site is
worst.It is remarkable to me that with all the incredible people out there doing great work, the leagues themselves are employing some fat donor's idiot son or something because they really do all look like shit.
Daddy's Money holds out for another period.
Still 1-0 Sucks after 2.
JFC, Cheel is empty.
Clarkson on pp, 1-1.
Tip by Martino, pretty nice
Harvard just trying to get to OT it seems
Yes, Clarkson much better...
Pretty much all Clarkson since their goal.
OT in Clarkson vs Sucks
you would be hard pressed to find many good websites anywhere any more
Less about solid coding and more about simple to maintain
dumb down content
Quote from: TrotskyPretty much all Clarkson since their goal.
they look so much better and still Harvard almost ended their season on a nice individual effort with just over a minute left in the third.
Clarkson scores
We get Q-Pak
Clarkson wins in OT on what was basically a broken play. Cornell vs. Q next weekend
And Clarkson gets the game winner, Under review now.
Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
Quote from: SnowballClarkson scores
Seemed inevitable. Clarkson dominated the game.
Quote from: SnowballClarkson scores
half scramble drill, half being where you are supposed to be and that may have been the easiest tap-in of that guy's life.
And Harvard still sucks.
tbh i found the length of that review gross. looked like an easy call.
Quote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
CHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
better than us but beatable! this is not the best team rand has put on the ice. no result in lake placid would be that big a surprise.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Q losing to Cornell doesn't drop Q below, Michigan. and Michigan is done in the Big 10 so they can't improve their fate. They are almost certainly done for the season (barring some unexpected RPI math).
Atlantic Hockey and CCHA will take two bids from the top 16. And the ECAC, HE and NCHC all still have spoilers in their tournaments as well. A Q bid is not a certainty.
Congrats to the Quinnipiac fans on this forum for getting the matchup they wanted. Now we have a game we are around 40% to win instead of one we are around 60% to win. Hope for the best I suppose.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Careful how you say it. Minnesota State is #16 and could move to 15 or maybe even 14 (I doubt).
Quote from: BearLoverCongrats to the Quinnipiac fans on this forum for getting the matchup they wanted. Now we have a game we are around 40% to win instead of one we are around 60% to win. Hope for the best I suppose.
You need to stop taking the pro-Q posts literally. They are the equivalent of the guy with a We Want Duke at the America East championship game.
Quote from: imafrshmnThe hockey gods have made it clear: we must root for Harvard today.
From experience, 100% of the time this is the case, they never come through. They always lose when it hurts us. Harvard sucks.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to the Quinnipiac fans on this forum for getting the matchup they wanted. Now we have a game we are around 40% to win instead of one we are around 60% to win. Hope for the best I suppose.
You need to stop taking the pro-Q posts literally. They are the equivalent of the guy with a We Want Duke at the America East championship game.
What he really should do is find a way to think positively about others. I don't have stats, but the general tenor seems to posting negatively 75-90% of the time.
For me finding something nice is much more satisfying than being negative.
I'm not saying he was one of them, as I'm too lazy to look, but whenever I see negative posts I think back upon all those who said Schafer could never change his style and basically we were doomed if we didn't get rid of him. Well these teams are nothing like 10 years ago and I can't find an ECAC coach that I'd rather have had.
Naysayers be damned.:-D
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: stereaxQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Q losing to Cornell doesn't drop Q below, Michigan. and Michigan is done in the Big 10 so they can't improve their fate. They are almost certainly done for the season (barring some unexpected RPI math).
Atlantic Hockey and CCHA will take two bids from the top 16. And the ECAC, HE and NCHC all still have spoilers in their tournaments as well. A Q bid is not a certainty.
But there has to be an upset in one of the tourneys other than the 2 that will take the 15 and 16 spots. There is no guarantee that there will be an upset. The statement that knocking Q out in Lake Placid would knock out Michigan seems to be correct.
For me, the highs from this weekend ended as soon as it became reality that we have to play Quinnipiac next weekend. Joy turns to dread as one realizes that more likely than not Rand Pecknold will end Mike's career. Even in a "normal" year for Cornell, Quinnipiac would be a tough matchup, but this season Quinnipiac has way fewer (~zero) injuries and is getting big contributions from fifth year players (something Cornell is not allowed to have). We're going to need puck luck next weekend to win. Far from impossible, but unlikely. All we can do now is pray. What's DeSantis's status?
Quote from: Jim HylaCHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
Wouldn't put too much stock in that. CHN had all sorts of game times and dates wrong in the past few weeks - for example it showed us playing Yale on the Friday night until about Wednesday of that week.
I imagine we will almost certainly play the early game.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to the Quinnipiac fans on this forum for getting the matchup they wanted. Now we have a game we are around 40% to win instead of one we are around 60% to win. Hope for the best I suppose.
You need to stop taking the pro-Q posts literally. They are the equivalent of the guy with a We Want Duke at the America East championship game.
What he really should do is find a way to think positively about others. I don't have stats, but the general tenor seems to posting negatively 75-90% of the time.
For me finding something nice is much more satisfying than being negative.
I'm not saying he was one of them, as I'm too lazy to look, but whenever I see negative posts I think back upon all those who said Schafer could never change his style and basically we were doomed if we didn't get rid of him. Well these teams are nothing like 10 years ago and I can't find an ECAC coach that I'd rather have had.
Naysayers be damned.:-D
For what it's worth, I was quite negative about the program/Schafer in 2015 and after 2016 ended, but I never called for his firing. The most I said was that he deserves another year to show he can change styles/turn things around. Then we made the NCAAs in 2017 and I never questioned Schafer's style ever again.
As an addition to my last post, it reminded me of this weekend.
As I was passing out newspapers, some old gent, I can say that cause I'm old, started confronting me to be sure to pick up all the left over papers. Ha ha.
Then at the end of yesterdays game I was throwing more Snickers to our fans and some, not as old, guy came up to challenge me about what was I doing and I needed to go pick up everything I threw, blah, blah, blah. He kept carrying on until an usher, that I was standing next to the whole game, had to get in between us so that he didn't get any closer.
Damn, it's a game. Be glad you could watch it and forget the rest.
Quote from: BearLoverFor me, the highs from this weekend ended as soon as it became reality that we have to play Quinnipiac next weekend. Joy turns to dread as one realizes that more likely than not Rand Pecknold will end Mike's career. Even in a "normal" year for Cornell, Quinnipiac would be a tough matchup, but this season Quinnipiac has way fewer (~zero) injuries and is getting big contributions from fifth year players (something Cornell is not allowed to have). We're going to need puck luck next weekend to win. Far from impossible, but unlikely. All we can do now is pray. What's DeSantis's status?
"Lighten up, Francis"
Quote from: martyQuote from: pjd8Quote from: stereaxQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Q losing to Cornell doesn't drop Q below, Michigan. and Michigan is done in the Big 10 so they can't improve their fate. They are almost certainly done for the season (barring some unexpected RPI math).
Atlantic Hockey and CCHA will take two bids from the top 16. And the ECAC, HE and NCHC all still have spoilers in their tournaments as well. A Q bid is not a certainty.
But there has to be an upset in one of the tourneys other than the 2 that will take the 15 and 16 spots. There is no guarantee that there will be an upset. The statement that knocking Q out in Lake Placid would knock out Michigan seems to be correct.
I was reading "deciding their fate" a little differently. I agree that knocking Q out will doom Michigan, but customizing Pairwise as much as I can right now, there appears to be additional paths to knocking Michigan out. If CC and Minnesota State win, that puts ASU just a hair under Michigan in RPI, and if ASU wins (which we can't plug into the customizer yet) they could knock out Michigan as well. North Dakota is too far behind in RPI to be a threat unless they win their tourney.
Michigan should be rooting hard for Q and Denver to win, and hope that Northeastern doesn't have a miracle tourney. And with three out of the five remaining NCHC teams having the ability to play spoiler, as well as three out of four ECAC teams, the Michigan camp should be very nervous right now.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: martyQuote from: pjd8Quote from: stereaxQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Q losing to Cornell doesn't drop Q below, Michigan. and Michigan is done in the Big 10 so they can't improve their fate. They are almost certainly done for the season (barring some unexpected RPI math).
Atlantic Hockey and CCHA will take two bids from the top 16. And the ECAC, HE and NCHC all still have spoilers in their tournaments as well. A Q bid is not a certainty.
But there has to be an upset in one of the tourneys other than the 2 that will take the 15 and 16 spots. There is no guarantee that there will be an upset. The statement that knocking Q out in Lake Placid would knock out Michigan seems to be correct.
I was reading "deciding their fate" a little differently. I agree that knocking Q out will doom Michigan, but customizing Pairwise as much as I can right now, there appears to be additional paths to knocking Michigan out. If CC and Minnesota State win, that puts ASU just a hair under Michigan in RPI, and if ASU wins (which we can't plug into the customizer yet) they could knock out Michigan as well. North Dakota is too far behind in RPI to be a threat unless they win their tourney.
Michigan should be rooting hard for Q and Denver to win, and hope that Northeastern doesn't have a miracle tourney. And with three out of the five remaining NCHC teams having the ability to play spoiler, as well as three out of four ECAC teams, the Michigan camp should be very nervous right now.
What are Q's odds if we beat them next round? Not that I need extra motivation to want to win, but I have to imagine Q's odds are fairly low if they lose RPI from the loss and also an extra auto-bid gets in (Cornell/Dartmouth/Clarkson).
Quote from: Jim HylaAs an addition to my last post, it reminded me of this weekend.
As I was passing out newspapers, some old gent, I can say that cause I'm old, started confronting me to be sure to pick up all the left over papers. Ha ha.
Then at the end of yesterdays game I was throwing more Snickers to our fans and some, not as old, guy came up to challenge me about what was I doing and I needed to go pick up everything I threw, blah, blah, blah. He kept carrying on until an usher, that I was standing next to the whole game, had to get in between us so that he didn't get any closer.
Damn, it's a game. Be glad you could watch it and forget the rest.
On the espn+ broadcast, one of (much discussed) John McGraw's many asides mentioned how the traveling Faithful did all the usual traditions we're known for, and "there was a gentleman handing out newspapers before introductions" and I said to myself "Hey, good to know Jim made it!" :-)
Never tell me the odds.
I'm fine with the Q matchup. We were likely gonna have to face them anyway so might as well get it done early.
Quote from: chimpfoodI'm fine with the Q matchup. We were likely gonna have to face them anyway so might as well get it done early.
Agreed. Lets go!
Quote from: Jim HylaCHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
not finalized - just a placeholder.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: Jim HylaCHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
not finalized - just a placeholder.
Cornell now says it's at 4.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey
By the stats, Q would seem to have a slight advantage......BUT, If the guys can perform like they did this weekend, it can be a 50/50 outcome in my opinion!!
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaCHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
Wouldn't put too much stock in that. CHN had all sorts of game times and dates wrong in the past few weeks - for example it showed us playing Yale on the Friday night until about Wednesday of that week.
edit - sorry I just realized what you meant.....
Times constantly change, which is why they are "wrong" -- when it comes to playoffs, teams change them constantly. Also, we get a feed from the NCAA's portal - which the teams are supposed to insert into and keep updated. And often they are different than what is on the team's web site. This week alone, I had to email 4 schools to ask about discrepancies. No other web site curator out there emails teams trying to make sure everything is correct, I assure you, whether that be schedules or stats.
We have an automated process that checks our stuff against the "official" portal - times, locations, dates, opponents, etc... I get a report every morning on what doesn't match. 99% of the time, the "official" portal is wrong and we're right.
I believe in the case of Cornell-Yale, they didn't know yet what date it would be. We had to put the game in system before knowing the date, in order to make everything else we do run properly -- Pairwise, Pairwise Customizer, Probability Matrix, etc...
Can't say we're never wrong - but barking up the wrong tree here. I can assure you we're the least wrong :) our whole system depends upon it being right.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: stereaxQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Q losing to Cornell doesn't drop Q below, Michigan. and Michigan is done in the Big 10 so they can't improve their fate. They are almost certainly done for the season (barring some unexpected RPI math).
Atlantic Hockey and CCHA will take two bids from the top 16. And the ECAC, HE and NCHC all still have spoilers in their tournaments as well. A Q bid is not a certainty.
Michigan's odds are low because they only need one conference to go "non-chalk" - but it's not true that they're certainly done. If all the conferences go chalk, they are in.
Quote from: ChousnakeQuote from: George64Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.
The ECAC website, which is terrible BTW, had last night's score in the spot for today's game 3, even though it hadn't been played yet.
Thank you pointing out the source of my error. I was, however, looking forward to a rematch with Dartmouth considering the kerfuffle back in January. We still might still get an opportunity in the finals if they best Clarkson.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: pjd8Quote from: martyQuote from: pjd8Quote from: stereaxQuote from: scoop85Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.
Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.
Q losing to Cornell doesn't drop Q below, Michigan. and Michigan is done in the Big 10 so they can't improve their fate. They are almost certainly done for the season (barring some unexpected RPI math).
Atlantic Hockey and CCHA will take two bids from the top 16. And the ECAC, HE and NCHC all still have spoilers in their tournaments as well. A Q bid is not a certainty.
But there has to be an upset in one of the tourneys other than the 2 that will take the 15 and 16 spots. There is no guarantee that there will be an upset. The statement that knocking Q out in Lake Placid would knock out Michigan seems to be correct.
I was reading "deciding their fate" a little differently. I agree that knocking Q out will doom Michigan, but customizing Pairwise as much as I can right now, there appears to be additional paths to knocking Michigan out. If CC and Minnesota State win, that puts ASU just a hair under Michigan in RPI, and if ASU wins (which we can't plug into the customizer yet) they could knock out Michigan as well. North Dakota is too far behind in RPI to be a threat unless they win their tourney.
Michigan should be rooting hard for Q and Denver to win, and hope that Northeastern doesn't have a miracle tourney. And with three out of the five remaining NCHC teams having the ability to play spoiler, as well as three out of four ECAC teams, the Michigan camp should be very nervous right now.
What are Q's odds if we beat them next round? Not that I need extra motivation to want to win, but I have to imagine Q's odds are fairly low if they lose RPI from the loss and also an extra auto-bid gets in (Cornell/Dartmouth/Clarkson).
A Cornell win (with other higher seeds winning) right now puts Q in 13, with Minnesota State right behind them. So Q at this point is probably safe with Minn St getting the CCHA bid and being in the top 16. Michigan (15) would lose out to the ECAC and Atlantic Hockey autobids.
If I have all the higher seeds whose names show up under the customize tab win their next game, Q moves up to 11 in Pairwise and Michigan falls to 15, but 14 again is Minnesota State, so Michigan could still squeak in. But North Dakota and ASU aren't showing up there, and they are hovering right behind Michigan. So when I pick Western Michigan to win against TBD, I don't think that dings North Dakota in RPI. And I can't choose a Denver-ASU winner yet.
As Adam said, Michigan isn't out of it. But they have multiple paths to getting there.
Can anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
Quote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: Jim HylaCHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
not finalized - just a placeholder.
Like other places you could put TBD or TBA as a placeholder.
That would be less confusing. At least to old guys like me, who try to believe what's written.
I try not to think of "alternative facts."
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.
I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.
I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: adamwQuote from: Jim HylaCHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
not finalized - just a placeholder.
Like other places you could put TBD or TBA as a placeholder.
That would be less confusing. At least to old guys like me, who try to believe what's written.
I try not to think of "alternative facts."
I understand. It's a catch-22 to me, which is why I've always left it this way. In my mind, it's nice to know the times of the two games in general, even if they teams will be flipped. But I get how it can seem confusing.
Quote from: pjd8A Cornell win (with other higher seeds winning) right now puts Q in 13, with Minnesota State right behind them. So Q at this point is probably safe with Minn St getting the CCHA bid and being in the top 16. Michigan (15) would lose out to the ECAC and Atlantic Hockey autobids.
There's multiple scenarios where, if Q loses the semi, it drops below Penn State, and so - say - Arizona State winning the NCHC - would knock Q out.
Quote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
I brought it up, mea culpa. Came up in conversation with a friend that if we beat Q, Michigan almost assuredly slips out of the bubble. Given Michigan's program pedigree and how many NHL products they've cranked out over the past few years, that's intriguing as hell. Also, Ethan Edwards, for Devils fans like me and that friend.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Jim HylaCHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.
If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.
Wouldn't put too much stock in that. CHN had all sorts of game times and dates wrong in the past few weeks - for example it showed us playing Yale on the Friday night until about Wednesday of that week.
edit - sorry I just realized what you meant.....
Times constantly change, which is why they are "wrong" -- when it comes to playoffs, teams change them constantly. Also, we get a feed from the NCAA's portal - which the teams are supposed to insert into and keep updated. And often they are different than what is on the team's web site. This week alone, I had to email 4 schools to ask about discrepancies. No other web site curator out there emails teams trying to make sure everything is correct, I assure you, whether that be schedules or stats.
We have an automated process that checks our stuff against the "official" portal - times, locations, dates, opponents, etc... I get a report every morning on what doesn't match. 99% of the time, the "official" portal is wrong and we're right.
I believe in the case of Cornell-Yale, they didn't know yet what date it would be. We had to put the game in system before knowing the date, in order to make everything else we do run properly -- Pairwise, Pairwise Customizer, Probability Matrix, etc...
Can't say we're never wrong - but barking up the wrong tree here. I can assure you we're the least wrong :) our whole system depends upon it being right.
Sorry Adam - did not mean to imply CHN was lazy or negligent or anything like that - just that very early on the game times etc seem to function more as a placeholder than anything. Cheers
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
I suspect it'll come down to whether or not Cornell stays out of the box.
My gut says a healthy and effective Cornell team will be better even strength, but if they were to trade penalties all game Q would have a huge advantage. They ended the RS with the best PP in the country.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: stereaxQuote from: Chris H82Clarkson with the win. We get Q.
How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.
I suspect it'll come down to whether or not Cornell stays out of the box.
My gut says a healthy and effective Cornell team will be better even strength, but if they were to trade penalties all game Q would have a huge advantage. They ended the RS with the best PP in the country.
I completely agree as we seem to take too many stupid penalties.
Harvard loses their goalie Koskenvuo to the Canucks. Surprising because he really hasn't been that good. I'd imagine that Charette takes over for them next year, shouldn't be much of a drop off from Koskenvuo
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.
I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.
I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.
They're fairly universally hated. When a list of schools with alumni who have a ridiculous hyperbolic estimation of their school's academics comes around, you can guarantee that USC, Duke, Michigan, and Dartmouth will always be on it.
They aren't bad schools per se. Michigan among those four is clearly the best in actuality. But their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves. I'm sure there are others. I was going to include Notre Dame but that is more cultural overall than academic.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.
I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.
I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.
They're fairly universally hated. When a list of schools with alumni who have a ridiculous hyperbolic estimation of their school's academics comes around, you can guarantee that USC, Duke, Michigan, and Dartmouth will always be on it.
They aren't bad schools per se. Michigan among those four is clearly the best in actuality. But their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves. I'm sure there are others. I was going to include Notre Dame but that is more cultural overall than academic.
All of the damn Ivies!! You aren't where you went to school.
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.
I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.
I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.
They're fairly universally hated. When a list of schools with alumni who have a ridiculous hyperbolic estimation of their school's academics comes around, you can guarantee that USC, Duke, Michigan, and Dartmouth will always be on it.
They aren't bad schools per se. Michigan among those four is clearly the best in actuality. But their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves. I'm sure there are others. I was going to include Notre Dame but that is more cultural overall than academic.
All of the damn Ivies!! You aren't where you went to school.
Except us... right? ;)
Quote from: chimpfoodHarvard loses their goalie Koskenvuo to the Canucks. Surprising because he really hasn't been that good. I'd imagine that Charette takes over for them next year, shouldn't be much of a drop off from Koskenvuo
Yeah, very odd. It's not like he was all that good this season as you say. Maybe he had full intention of going pro somewhere (even outside NA) and just decided to take the option that presented itself now
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.
I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.
I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.
They're fairly universally hated. When a list of schools with alumni who have a ridiculous hyperbolic estimation of their school's academics comes around, you can guarantee that USC, Duke, Michigan, and Dartmouth will always be on it.
They aren't bad schools per se. Michigan among those four is clearly the best in actuality. But their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves. I'm sure there are others. I was going to include Notre Dame but that is more cultural overall than academic.
Thanks, it's nice to know how people feel about us.
Proud-Yes
Obnoxious-That's for you to decide
Quote from: Jim HylaThanks, it's nice to know how people feel about us.
Proud-Yes
Obnoxious-That's for you to decide
I didn't say it's justified. It's the Zeitgeist. They say (and you know the sort of things They say) that Cornell "isn't even an Ivy." Being dismissed by the Common Mind is not necessarily a bad thing. Have you met it?
But USC truly sucks.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaThanks, it's nice to know how people feel about us.
Proud-Yes
Obnoxious-That's for you to decide
I didn't say it's justified. It's the Zeitgeist. They say (and you know the sort of things They say) that Cornell "isn't even an Ivy." Being dismissed by the Common Mind is not necessarily a bad thing. Have you met it?
But USC truly sucks.
Quote from: TrotskyBut their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves.
But you did say that you agree with them.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaThanks, it's nice to know how people feel about us.
Proud-Yes
Obnoxious-That's for you to decide
I didn't say it's justified. It's the Zeitgeist. They say (and you know the sort of things They say) that Cornell "isn't even an Ivy." Being dismissed by the Common Mind is not necessarily a bad thing. Have you met it?
But USC truly sucks.
Quote from: TrotskyBut their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves.
But you did say that you agree with them.
I feel like the Yankees fans on this forum should weigh in here.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaCan anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?
they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.
I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.
I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.
They're fairly universally hated. When a list of schools with alumni who have a ridiculous hyperbolic estimation of their school's academics comes around, you can guarantee that USC, Duke, Michigan, and Dartmouth will always be on it.
They aren't bad schools per se. Michigan among those four is clearly the best in actuality. But their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves. I'm sure there are others. I was going to include Notre Dame but that is more cultural overall than academic.
Thanks, it's nice to know how people feel about us.
Proud-Yes
Obnoxious-That's for you to decide
As someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
Yet I'm not Cornell, Michigan, U of I nor College of DuPage or HVCC. I'm me.
Quote from: Jim HylaBut you did say that you agree with them.
I should
not have about UM.
I haven't met anybody who is Snobbish about UM. Though apparently everybody in the Midwest has.
I have met plenty of delusional Duke and USC folks.
Dartmouth, I'm thinking unless they're embarrassed they are overrating themselves.
How is it possible to have any idea how good a school is if you haven't attended it?
Quote from: BearLoverHow is it possible to have any idea how good a school is if you haven't attended it?
Even then, the English department may suck while the History department rocks.
I think we can all agree that all schools are equal.
All schools are equal. But some schools are more equal than others.
Quote from: SnowballAll schools are equal. But some schools are more equal than others.
I would just like to take a moment to admire the fact that the user named
Snowball managed to get this comment done first.
End of thread. I'm just happy to have been a part of it.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: SnowballAll schools are equal. But some schools are more equal than others.
I would just like to take a moment to admire the fact that the user named Snowball managed to get this comment done first.
Also admirably, the Orwellian character thought to represent...TROTSKY!::banana::
Quote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
Quote from: TimVQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: SnowballAll schools are equal. But some schools are more equal than others.
I would just like to take a moment to admire the fact that the user named Snowball managed to get this comment done first.
Also admirably, the Orwellian character thought to represent...TROTSKY!::banana::
Hahahaha, 100% True
My favorite book, after Huck Finn and Moby Dick... but oh wait, this is a hockey forum not a literature forum...
How about this for the Latin Nerds, we know you are out there:
Quinnipiac Delenda Est!!!
Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
I'll obviously let him tell you, but he used to deal with chemicals, not as an engineer (much like I'm not an engineer) and for sure not now.::crazy::
So I'd guess your son is out of luck from here.
Quote from: SnowballQuote from: TimVAlso admirably, the Orwellian character thought to represent...TROTSKY!::banana::
Hahahaha, 100% True
My favorite book, after Huck Finn and Moby Dick... but oh wait, this is a hockey forum not a literature forum...
How about this for the Latin Nerds, we know you are out there:
Quinnipiac Delenda Est!!!
Gotta love eLynah, the only sports forum where I have to look stuff up.
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Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
No. I'm on my third career and at age 73 I still wonder what I'm going to do when I grow up. As one of my colleagues said, "I'd like to do something useful". Cheers to her.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
Sorry to tell you (and him) this, Adam, but American companies are trying to shift as much of their engineering labor to Asia. They're not nearly as skilled or creative, but they're much, much cheaper. Plus the American companies don't have to pay benefits.
It's one of the reasons I retired early - I couldn't deal with the incompetence. Not to mention that we were dealing with some seriously dangerous stuff, and the Asian engineering companies only cared about cost, not safety or pollution issues.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
Sorry to tell you (and him) this, Adam, but American companies are trying to shift as much of their engineering labor to Asia. They're not nearly as skilled or creative, but they're much, much cheaper. Plus the American companies don't have to pay benefits.
It's one of the reasons I retired early - I couldn't deal with the incompetence. Not to mention that we were dealing with some seriously dangerous stuff, and the Asian engineering companies only cared about cost, not safety or pollution issues.
The American companies don't have to pay benefits?
Quote from: George64Quote from: SnowballQuote from: TimVAlso admirably, the Orwellian character thought to represent...TROTSKY!::banana::
Hahahaha, 100% True
My favorite book, after Huck Finn and Moby Dick... but oh wait, this is a hockey forum not a literature forum...
How about this for the Latin Nerds, we know you are out there:
Quinnipiac Delenda Est!!!
Gotta love eLynah, the only sports forum where I have to look stuff up.
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High brow sports shit, the forum.
I looked it up too. Had the right idea but not the exact words.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
Sorry to tell you (and him) this, Adam, but American companies are trying to shift as much of their engineering labor to Asia. They're not nearly as skilled or creative, but they're much, much cheaper. Plus the American companies don't have to pay benefits.
It's one of the reasons I retired early - I couldn't deal with the incompetence. Not to mention that we were dealing with some seriously dangerous stuff, and the Asian engineering companies only cared about cost, not safety or pollution issues.
the world is going to hell? shocking
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
Sorry to tell you (and him) this, Adam, but American companies are trying to shift as much of their engineering labor to Asia. They're not nearly as skilled or creative, but they're much, much cheaper. Plus the American companies don't have to pay benefits.
It's one of the reasons I retired early - I couldn't deal with the incompetence. Not to mention that we were dealing with some seriously dangerous stuff, and the Asian engineering companies only cared about cost, not safety or pollution issues.
The American companies don't have to pay benefits?
To employees of overseas subsidiaries/subcontractors, I think is what he's saying.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: toddloseQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwQuote from: martyAs someone who attended the Cornell School of Chemical Engineering and also same at Michigan my opinion of Michigan couldn't be higher.
are you still in Chem Engineering now? Because my son just graduated with a degree in it and could really use a job. :-}
Sorry to tell you (and him) this, Adam, but American companies are trying to shift as much of their engineering labor to Asia. They're not nearly as skilled or creative, but they're much, much cheaper. Plus the American companies don't have to pay benefits.
It's one of the reasons I retired early - I couldn't deal with the incompetence. Not to mention that we were dealing with some seriously dangerous stuff, and the Asian engineering companies only cared about cost, not safety or pollution issues.
The American companies don't have to pay benefits?
To employees of overseas subsidiaries/subcontractors, I think is what he's saying.
Correct. And remember, many countries have national medical insurance, so there's no need to pay benefits.
With NU losing in 2OT last night, that leaves only NCHC with bid stealers--ASU and UND
Quote from: IcebergWith NU losing in 2OT last night, that leaves only NCHC with bid stealers--ASU and UND
Clarkson and Dartmouth can steal a bid from Michigan as well. And if ASU/UND win, and non-QU win, an ECAC team would either knock out Penn State or Q itself.
Quote from: IcebergWith NU losing in 2OT last night, that leaves only NCHC with bid stealers--ASU and UND
Isn't the ECAC still a bid stealer? If we beat Q, we could have 2 bids.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: IcebergWith NU losing in 2OT last night, that leaves only NCHC with bid stealers--ASU and UND
Clarkson and Dartmouth can steal a bid from Michigan as well. And if ASU/UND win, and non-QU win, an ECAC team would either knock out Penn State or Q itself.
You beat me by a minute on this one.
But couldn't Cornell also steal a bid if we win?
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: adamwQuote from: IcebergWith NU losing in 2OT last night, that leaves only NCHC with bid stealers--ASU and UND
Clarkson and Dartmouth can steal a bid from Michigan as well. And if ASU/UND win, and non-QU win, an ECAC team would either knock out Penn State or Q itself.
You beat me by a minute on this one.
But couldn't Cornell also steal a bid if we win?
Yeah basically - but from Quinnipiac. I didn't elaborate on the whole thing - but I've been trying to explain to Penn State fans for two weeks that they didn't have a bid "locked down" after last week - despite what they were all gloating about. So let's say ASU/ND win NCHC. Then Penn State has to be concerned with Q losing, only if Q loses the final. If Q loses to Cornell, Penn State remains safe and Q drops below Penn State. So that's what I was referring to - and as you can see, that takes longer to explain what I meant :)
Quote from: adamwQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: adamwQuote from: IcebergWith NU losing in 2OT last night, that leaves only NCHC with bid stealers--ASU and UND
Clarkson and Dartmouth can steal a bid from Michigan as well. And if ASU/UND win, and non-QU win, an ECAC team would either knock out Penn State or Q itself.
You beat me by a minute on this one.
But couldn't Cornell also steal a bid if we win?
Yeah basically - but from Quinnipiac. I didn't elaborate on the whole thing - but I've been trying to explain to Penn State fans for two weeks that they didn't have a bid "locked down" after last week - despite what they were all gloating about. So let's say ASU/ND win NCHC. Then Penn State has to be concerned with Q losing, only if Q loses the final. If Q loses to Cornell, Penn State remains safe and Q drops below Penn State. So that's what I was referring to - and as you can see, that takes longer to explain what I meant :)
Thanks
Yeah, my post was from Q's perspective, so I should've clarified.
2-0 Clarkson at the end of the 2nd.
Clarkson looks really good, we're gonna have to come out strong tomorrow if we don't want to spoil todays win
Quote from: sah672-0 Clarkson at the end of the 2nd.
Now 3-0 in the 3rd.
Looks like Maine will win HE. They're up 4-1 on UConn late in the 3rd.
And if we win out, I don't see Q dropping below 12 in the Pairwise.
Another flying stick penalty in the other semi, we should hold our sticks very lightly tomorrow.
Not a great outing by the Dartmouth goalie: 3 GA on 14 SOG.
Dartmouth pots one with the extra attacker on. It's now 3-1 with just over 3 mins to play.
Clarkson looking shaky now, just like when we last played them they are getting dominated in SOG but have a 3-1 lead
And now 4-1 Clarkson. Final.
UND lost, so Q is in as an at-large. Michigan also got eliminated with Cornell winning earlier.
Quote from: IcebergUND lost, so Q is in as an at-large. Michigan also got eliminated with Cornell winning earlier.
Yep. And if we win tomorrow, Q finishes at 12, Penn State at 13, Mankato at 14, and Cornell at 15. Since Penn State must be in Allentown, the decision is whether to swap PSU and Mankato, which puts Mankato in Fargo and us in Toledo, or to swap PSU and Cornell, which puts us in Fargo and Mankato in Toledo. I suspect they will put Mankato in Fargo and us in Toledo (against Michigan State).
Brad Berry out as UND head coach. (https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/brad-berry-out-as-und-mens-hockey-coach)
Cooper Flinton has left Dartmouth early for the pros.
Quote from: CU2007Cooper Flinton has left Dartmouth early for the pros.
Luke Haymes too.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: CU2007Cooper Flinton has left Dartmouth early for the pros.
Luke Haymes too.
Trey Taylor Clarkson; John Prokop Union.
All 5 early ECAC departures so far are Juniors.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: stereaxQuote from: CU2007Cooper Flinton has left Dartmouth early for the pros.
Luke Haymes too.
Trey Taylor Clarkson; John Prokop Union.
All 5 early ECAC departures so far are Juniors.
Im nervous about this happening with Walsh and castagna next year.
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2025/03/sabres-sign-tyler-kopff-to-entry-level-deal.html
sabres-sign-tyler-kopff-to-entry-level-deal
Minnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
Quote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
Didn't look as bad in the replay as it did in real time. looked more like a wipeout than a trip.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
Didn't look as bad in the replay as it did in real time. looked more like a wipeout than a trip.
Still looked like a clear trip to me. Also I think there was a more blatant trip that went uncalled on an earlier UMass goal, and also the refs refused to delay play when Minn's goalie's equipment was malfunctioning.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
Didn't look as bad in the replay as it did in real time. looked more like a wipeout than a trip.
Agreed, on replay didn't look like much of a trip.
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
I'm sure Schafer is delighted that Carusone got assigned to that game instead of ours! ::banana::
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
Taking another look at this sequence, i believe i was fooled. The contact was marginal and the Minny player really tried to sell it (a big no-no), the partisan crowd reacted strongly, and Minny was a bit lazy getting back in position. Refs got it right and we got a lesson in sports psychology. Still not a great way to end a tourney game.
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
Taking another look at this sequence, i believe i was fooled. The contact was marginal and the Minny player really tried to sell it (a big no-no), the partisan crowd reacted strongly, and Minny was a bit lazy getting back in position. Refs got it right and we got a lesson in sports psychology. Still not a great way to end a tourney game.
I don't know, it still looked like a trip to me. The second UMass goal was off a far more egregious missed call, in any case.
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverMinnesota got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in their game with UMass just now. If Cornell is going to lose, I just hope it isn't like that.
They certainly did... and Gopher fans were justified in throwing trash on the ice at the end there. OT goal reviews should be able to adjudicate infractions in the buildup play... not sure what the official explanation was there.
Taking another look at this sequence, i believe i was fooled. The contact was marginal and the Minny player really tried to sell it (a big no-no), the partisan crowd reacted strongly, and Minny was a bit lazy getting back in position. Refs got it right and we got a lesson in sports psychology. Still not a great way to end a tourney game.
In the days before camera reviewed goals Cornell got scored on in the 2nd of the 1998 3 game ECAC tourney set at RPI. The puck was apparently in and out of the net so fast that the ref (in the days of one ref, I believe) didn't see it. Cornell got caught complaining and RPI skated down the ice to score and force a game 3 - which Cornell thankfully won.
Brown is getting absolutely ravaged by the portal and early departures. I think 3/4 of their top scorers and their starting goalie who put up a .917 sv% on a weak team are all leaving early via pro contract or portal. For a team that made strides this year but relied heavily on its goalie and top line, this is a disaster for them.
For our purposes though, the goalie, Lawton Zacher, could be a very realistic portal target. He has only played two years of college so he would be eligible to transfer here for his final two years. He is from Buffalo, NY. He's coming from another Ivy. And we need a goalie. Seems like we should have a real shot at him, should the coaching staff choose to pursue it. This would require carrying four goalies on the roster next year, something we never do but other programs do. Seems like it's mostly a question of how badly do we want to win next season versus upsetting team chemistry by taking in a goalie who would presumably play ahead of the three goalies who would already be here.
Quote from: BearLoverBrown is getting absolutely ravaged by the portal and early departures. I think 3/4 of their top scorers and their starting goalie who put up a .917 sv% on a weak team are all leaving early via pro contract or portal. For a team that made strides this year but relied heavily on its goalie and top line, this is a disaster for them.
For our purposes though, the goalie, Lawton Zacher, could be a very realistic portal target. He has only played two years of college so he would be eligible to transfer here for his final two years. He is from Buffalo, NY. He's coming from another Ivy. And we need a goalie. Seems like we should have a real shot at him, should the coaching staff choose to pursue it. This would require carrying four goalies on the roster next year, something we never do but other programs do. Seems like it's mostly a question of how badly do we want to win next season versus upsetting team chemistry by taking in a goalie who would presumably play ahead of the three goalies who would already be here.
Hmm, I noticed that Lawton's brother, Walter Zacher, a forward from RMU who put up good numbers, also just entered the portal. I wonder if they are a package deal. In any case, many kids who enter the portal already know where they're going, so I doubt we get Lawton unless he was previously on our radar. But as far as portal entrants go, he does seem to be just about the most perfect match possible.
without even getting in to whether the program should become an active portal shopper as a regular strategy
is there really consensus that Keopple wouldnt be a reasonable backstop to the defense next year
not sure there has been sufficient starts to say he doesnt have what it takes
sure he didnt platoon this year with Shane who was a returning Richter award finalist and senior, that doesnt mean he cant step up next year
Quote from: Cornell95without even getting in to whether the program should become an active portal shopper as a regular strategy
is there really consensus that Keopple wouldnt be a reasonable backstop to the defense next year
not sure there has been sufficient starts to say he doesnt have what it takes
sure he didnt platoon this year with Shane who was a returning Richter award finalist and senior, that doesnt mean he cant step up next year
Nobody knows the answer to this, other than maybe those watching practice every day. Keopple had good junior numbers, better than Shane's in fact. But we can only infer from his tiny NCAA sample size and the fact the coaches refused to bench Shane even when he was struggling.
ECAC schools outside of Cornell/Harvard/Quinnipiac are really getting crushed by the transfer portal/pro signings. It's starting to feel similar to the mid-major—>power 4 trajectory in basketball/football. Have a good year at Brown or Clarkson or RPI and then bolt for Hockey East.
With Roest coming in we have three goalies and I would be surprised (not shocked) if we brought another in. You have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
My instinct is that we won't pull from the portal just because they are available, but guys who fit the profile and really want to come here we will now be allowed to consider because they are in the portal. It's push not pull.
Quote from: TrotskyWith Roest coming in we have three goalies and I would be surprised (not shocked) if we brought another in. You have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
My instinct is that we won't pull from the portal just because they are available, but guys who fit the profile and really want to come here we will now be allowed to consider because they are in the portal. It's push not pull.
I agree that it is unlikely for the reasons you stated and mentioned this in my above post too. But we all know what BU and Quinnipiac would do, they'd bring in the fourth goalie. I want to be more like BU and Quinnipiac if it means we will win more. Not full-on BU/Quinnipiac bullshit, but more in that direction. We've done all we can under our current limitations, we need unshackle ourselves from these restrictions if at all possible and do what we can to get over the hump. I am tired of losing in the regional final, I am tired of feeling haunted by the same stupid game every offseason, and I know the coaches and players feel this ten-fold. We need to try to win.
the new roster limits may come into play here
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWith Roest coming in we have three goalies and I would be surprised (not shocked) if we brought another in. You have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
My instinct is that we won't pull from the portal just because they are available, but guys who fit the profile and really want to come here we will now be allowed to consider because they are in the portal. It's push not pull.
I agree that it is unlikely for the reasons you stated and mentioned this in my above post too. But we all know what BU and Quinnipiac would do, they'd bring in the fourth goalie. I want to be more like BU and Quinnipiac if it means we will win more. Not full-on BU/Quinnipiac bullshit, but more in that direction. We've done all we can under our current limitations, we need unshackle ourselves from these restrictions if at all possible and do what we can to get over the hump. I am tired of losing in the regional final, I am tired of feeling haunted by the same stupid game every offseason, and I know the coaches and players feel this ten-fold. We need to try to win.
I am tired of your never-ending bullsbit.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWith Roest coming in we have three goalies and I would be surprised (not shocked) if we brought another in. You have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
My instinct is that we won't pull from the portal just because they are available, but guys who fit the profile and really want to come here we will now be allowed to consider because they are in the portal. It's push not pull.
I agree that it is unlikely for the reasons you stated and mentioned this in my above post too. But we all know what BU and Quinnipiac would do, they'd bring in the fourth goalie. I want to be more like BU and Quinnipiac if it means we will win more. Not full-on BU/Quinnipiac bullshit, but more in that direction. We've done all we can under our current limitations, we need unshackle ourselves from these restrictions if at all possible and do what we can to get over the hump. I am tired of losing in the regional final, I am tired of feeling haunted by the same stupid game every offseason, and I know the coaches and players feel this ten-fold. We need to try to win.
I am tired of your never-ending bullsbit.
If you're so tired, why don't you take a nap? As usual, you have nothing substantive to add, so you just name-call. Don't you have something to complain about on the Cornell Football thread?
Quote from: TrotskyYou have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
i don't buy this tbh. in wrestling the most likely places to get recruited over are Penn State and Iowa, who are poaching transfers not only from small school guys that make a run to AA after getting overlooked in high school (which you'd expect) but from other top-tier B1G schools. i don't think we suffer much, if at all, for bringing in a starter-quality player who bumps a guy back to the bench. sports is basically designed to be a meritocracy, red in tooth and claw.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyYou have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
i don't buy this tbh. in wrestling the most likely places to get recruited over are Penn State and Iowa, who are poaching transfers not only from small school guys that make a run to AA after getting overlooked in high school (which you'd expect) but from other top-tier B1G schools. i don't think we suffer much, if at all, for bringing in a starter-quality player who bumps a guy back to the bench. sports is basically designed to be a meritocracy, red in tooth and claw.
Right. This is not how other teams operate. Al DeFlorio may not like it, but sports teams try to win. There is a cost-benefit to bringing in transfers and in some cases the benefits outweigh the costs.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWith Roest coming in we have three goalies and I would be surprised (not shocked) if we brought another in. You have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
My instinct is that we won't pull from the portal just because they are available, but guys who fit the profile and really want to come here we will now be allowed to consider because they are in the portal. It's push not pull.
I agree that it is unlikely for the reasons you stated and mentioned this in my above post too. But we all know what BU and Quinnipiac would do, they'd bring in the fourth goalie. I want to be more like BU and Quinnipiac if it means we will win more. Not full-on BU/Quinnipiac bullshit, but more in that direction. We've done all we can under our current limitations, we need unshackle ourselves from these restrictions if at all possible and do what we can to get over the hump. I am tired of losing in the regional final, I am tired of feeling haunted by the same stupid game every offseason, and I know the coaches and players feel this ten-fold. We need to try to win.
I am tired of your never-ending bullsbit.
If you're so tired, why don't you take a nap? As usual, you have nothing substantive to add, so you just name-call. Don't you have something to complain about on the Cornell Football thread?
BearLover, I think the problem is that we know how you feel about Regional losses. You've said it multiple times. After a while it gets annoying to hear it again. You know that I feel differently than you, but I'm not going to keep saying it. And then you end your post with "We need to try to win."
Come on, you probably don't mean it, but this team, as well as the others, really, really tried to win.
Maybe if you tried making your point about getting portal players without again telling us how disappointed you are, maybe then posters would read your posts for your reasons and not get upset about hearing again how you feel.
Maybe yes, maybe no. But trying not to be negative 90% of the time (Sure I don't exactly know how often, but it's a lot) that might unbury (Is that even a word?) your good points.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyWith Roest coming in we have three goalies and I would be surprised (not shocked) if we brought another in. You have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
My instinct is that we won't pull from the portal just because they are available, but guys who fit the profile and really want to come here we will now be allowed to consider because they are in the portal. It's push not pull.
I agree that it is unlikely for the reasons you stated and mentioned this in my above post too. But we all know what BU and Quinnipiac would do, they'd bring in the fourth goalie. I want to be more like BU and Quinnipiac if it means we will win more. Not full-on BU/Quinnipiac bullshit, but more in that direction. We've done all we can under our current limitations, we need unshackle ourselves from these restrictions if at all possible and do what we can to get over the hump. I am tired of losing in the regional final, I am tired of feeling haunted by the same stupid game every offseason, and I know the coaches and players feel this ten-fold. We need to try to win.
I am tired of your never-ending bullsbit.
If you're so tired, why don't you take a nap? As usual, you have nothing substantive to add, so you just name-call. Don't you have something to complain about on the Cornell Football thread?
BearLover, I think the problem is that we know how you feel about Regional losses. You've said it multiple times. After a while it gets annoying to hear it again. You know that I feel differently than you, but I'm not going to keep saying it. And then you end your post with "We need to try to win."
Come on, you probably don't mean it, but this team, as well as the others, really, really tried to win.
Maybe if you tried making your point about getting portal players without again telling us how disappointed you are, maybe then posters would read your posts for your reasons and not get upset about hearing again how you feel.
Maybe yes, maybe no. But trying not to be negative 90% of the time (Sure I don't exactly know how often, but it's a lot) that might unbury (Is that even a word?) your good points.
Well first of all, obviously you are correct that people would pay more attention to my good points if I weren't so negative. In this case, I bring up our excruciating regional finals losses because I believe they demonstrate that our ability to win is capped under the current regime. Schafer was one of the best college hockey coaches of all time, but I don't see how we are going to make the frozen four adhering to the same old limitations. Some of them are out of our control: no grad students, no scholarships. But there's no Ivy League rule against carrying four goalies on the roster. There's no rule against bringing in more transfers or NIL. I don't think some of these things (especially NIL) are likely to happen, but I use them as examples of things we can do to (partially) even the playing field against the BUs and Quinnipiac's.
When I said "we need to try to win," it was clearly NOT a judgment of the current team. Instead it means: we need to go farther, within reason, to get over the hump. We shouldn't be content with no frozen fours since 2003. Other teams are doing things within the rules that Cornell is allowed to do too. Cornell isn't getting to the promised land with business as usual.
Quote from: upprdeckthe new roster limits may come into play here
I thought those only apply if you opt into the settlement from the lawsuit, which the ivy league did not.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyYou have to treat guys who have put in the work here well or word will get around.
i don't buy this tbh. in wrestling the most likely places to get recruited over are Penn State and Iowa, who are poaching transfers not only from small school guys that make a run to AA after getting overlooked in high school (which you'd expect) but from other top-tier B1G schools. i don't think we suffer much, if at all, for bringing in a starter-quality player who bumps a guy back to the bench. sports is basically designed to be a meritocracy, red in tooth and claw.
You could absolutely be right; I simply don't know.
Quote from: BearLoverIn this case, I bring up our excruciating regional finals losses because I believe they demonstrate that our ability to win is capped under the current regime. Schafer was one of the best college hockey coaches of all time, but I don't see how we are going to make the frozen four adhering to the same old limitations. Some of them are out of our control: no grad students, no scholarships. But there's no Ivy League rule against carrying four goalies on the roster. There's no rule against bringing in more transfers or NIL. I don't think some of these things (especially NIL) are likely to happen, but I use them as examples of things we can do to (partially) even the playing field against the BUs and Quinnipiac's.
When I said "we need to try to win," it was clearly NOT a judgment of the current team. Instead it means: we need to go farther, within reason, to get over the hump. We shouldn't be content with no frozen fours since 2003. Other teams are doing things within the rules that Cornell is allowed to do too. Cornell isn't getting to the promised land with business as usual.
I don't know if this is by intention, but your comment here suggests you think Schafer wasn't trying to do these things, and that was somehow holding the program back. I think reasonable people can debate whether or not adding more transfers would meaningfully help Cornell - certainly there were a few impact players who went to WMU and Quinnipiac last year that were at least nominally eligible for Cornell, but I don't know that any of them would have been worth he time to pursue, or if Schafer connected with them and they just went elsewhere. Regardless, unless Schafer's on the record saying otherwise I doubt it was unwillingness to entertain transfers that was keeping Cornell off the transfer board. Rather, I suspect the main issue with the transfer portal, and why we haven't seen many guys come through it, is the same issue with recruiting at large - Cornell has limitations that don't apply to the likes of Quinnipiac and WMU. So the pool of available players isn't as big as it might seem with all the movement, and when you put filters in place around quality of play, fit with the needs of the program, interest in Cornell, and ability to get through admissions it's entirely possible a transfer every few years is about as good as it gets for us.
Now, should Jones emphasize the portal more? I have no idea. The thing about coaching is time is the enemy. You must make tradeoffs in terms of how you spend your recruiting efforts. So do you get really good at the transfer portal OR do you open up more recruiting connections to the CHL? Ideally you'd work on both, but if you have to sacrifice time building CHL connections to get a bit better at fishing in the transfer portal, is that worth the trade?
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverIn this case, I bring up our excruciating regional finals losses because I believe they demonstrate that our ability to win is capped under the current regime. Schafer was one of the best college hockey coaches of all time, but I don't see how we are going to make the frozen four adhering to the same old limitations. Some of them are out of our control: no grad students, no scholarships. But there's no Ivy League rule against carrying four goalies on the roster. There's no rule against bringing in more transfers or NIL. I don't think some of these things (especially NIL) are likely to happen, but I use them as examples of things we can do to (partially) even the playing field against the BUs and Quinnipiac's.
When I said "we need to try to win," it was clearly NOT a judgment of the current team. Instead it means: we need to go farther, within reason, to get over the hump. We shouldn't be content with no frozen fours since 2003. Other teams are doing things within the rules that Cornell is allowed to do too. Cornell isn't getting to the promised land with business as usual.
I don't know if this is by intention, but your comment here suggests you think Schafer wasn't trying to do these things, and that was somehow holding the program back. I think reasonable people can debate whether or not adding more transfers would meaningfully help Cornell - certainly there were a few impact players who went to WMU and Quinnipiac last year that were at least nominally eligible for Cornell, but I don't know that any of them would have been worth he time to pursue, or if Schafer connected with them and they just went elsewhere. Regardless, unless Schafer's on the record saying otherwise I doubt it was unwillingness to entertain transfers that was keeping Cornell off the transfer board. Rather, I suspect the main issue with the transfer portal, and why we haven't seen many guys come through it, is the same issue with recruiting at large - Cornell has limitations that don't apply to the likes of Quinnipiac and WMU. So the pool of available players isn't as big as it might seem with all the movement, and when you put filters in place around quality of play, fit with the needs of the program, interest in Cornell, and ability to get through admissions it's entirely possible a transfer every few years is about as good as it gets for us.
Now, should Jones emphasize the portal more? I have no idea. The thing about coaching is time is the enemy. You must make tradeoffs in terms of how you spend your recruiting efforts. So do you get really good at the transfer portal OR do you open up more recruiting connections to the CHL? Ideally you'd work on both, but if you have to sacrifice time building CHL connections to get a bit better at fishing in the transfer portal, is that worth the trade?
I don't know how much of not using the portal was Schafer and how much of it was structural limitations, as you say. But I think a reasonable assumption is that part of it was a coach who has been successful for 30 years wanting to continue doing things the traditional way. Also I don't think it's a huge time suck to reach out to players in the portal. Often players transfer to teams that previously recruited them, so there may already be a relationship there. Portal transfers take place over a week or two usually so it doesn't take much time away from recruiting etc.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverIn this case, I bring up our excruciating regional finals losses because I believe they demonstrate that our ability to win is capped under the current regime. Schafer was one of the best college hockey coaches of all time, but I don't see how we are going to make the frozen four adhering to the same old limitations. Some of them are out of our control: no grad students, no scholarships. But there's no Ivy League rule against carrying four goalies on the roster. There's no rule against bringing in more transfers or NIL. I don't think some of these things (especially NIL) are likely to happen, but I use them as examples of things we can do to (partially) even the playing field against the BUs and Quinnipiac's.
When I said "we need to try to win," it was clearly NOT a judgment of the current team. Instead it means: we need to go farther, within reason, to get over the hump. We shouldn't be content with no frozen fours since 2003. Other teams are doing things within the rules that Cornell is allowed to do too. Cornell isn't getting to the promised land with business as usual.
I don't know if this is by intention, but your comment here suggests you think Schafer wasn't trying to do these things, and that was somehow holding the program back. I think reasonable people can debate whether or not adding more transfers would meaningfully help Cornell - certainly there were a few impact players who went to WMU and Quinnipiac last year that were at least nominally eligible for Cornell, but I don't know that any of them would have been worth he time to pursue, or if Schafer connected with them and they just went elsewhere. Regardless, unless Schafer's on the record saying otherwise I doubt it was unwillingness to entertain transfers that was keeping Cornell off the transfer board. Rather, I suspect the main issue with the transfer portal, and why we haven't seen many guys come through it, is the same issue with recruiting at large - Cornell has limitations that don't apply to the likes of Quinnipiac and WMU. So the pool of available players isn't as big as it might seem with all the movement, and when you put filters in place around quality of play, fit with the needs of the program, interest in Cornell, and ability to get through admissions it's entirely possible a transfer every few years is about as good as it gets for us.
Now, should Jones emphasize the portal more? I have no idea. The thing about coaching is time is the enemy. You must make tradeoffs in terms of how you spend your recruiting efforts. So do you get really good at the transfer portal OR do you open up more recruiting connections to the CHL? Ideally you'd work on both, but if you have to sacrifice time building CHL connections to get a bit better at fishing in the transfer portal, is that worth the trade?
I don't know how much of not using the portal was Schafer and how much of it was structural limitations, as you say. But I think a reasonable assumption is that part of it was a coach who has been successful for 30 years wanting to continue doing things the traditional way. Also I don't think it's a huge time suck to reach out to players in the portal. Often players transfer to teams that previously recruited them, so there may already be a relationship there. Portal transfers take place over a week or two usually so it doesn't take much time away from recruiting etc.
Honestly those are pretty big assumptions. Someone said most kids in the portal already have a target team picked out. If that's true the recruiting process is more than a couple weeks of just reaching out to guys who declare intent.
Of the transfer portal guys who aren't pre-claimed, how many do we think are impact players? How many of them will have 2-3 years to contribute? How many of them can get into Cornell or have any interest in going to Ithaca? I'd wager very few, and then you're back to how you spend your time.
That said I do hope someone is reaching out to Mac Gadowski, even though it's likely hopeless.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverIn this case, I bring up our excruciating regional finals losses because I believe they demonstrate that our ability to win is capped under the current regime. Schafer was one of the best college hockey coaches of all time, but I don't see how we are going to make the frozen four adhering to the same old limitations. Some of them are out of our control: no grad students, no scholarships. But there's no Ivy League rule against carrying four goalies on the roster. There's no rule against bringing in more transfers or NIL. I don't think some of these things (especially NIL) are likely to happen, but I use them as examples of things we can do to (partially) even the playing field against the BUs and Quinnipiac's.
When I said "we need to try to win," it was clearly NOT a judgment of the current team. Instead it means: we need to go farther, within reason, to get over the hump. We shouldn't be content with no frozen fours since 2003. Other teams are doing things within the rules that Cornell is allowed to do too. Cornell isn't getting to the promised land with business as usual.
I don't know if this is by intention, but your comment here suggests you think Schafer wasn't trying to do these things, and that was somehow holding the program back. I think reasonable people can debate whether or not adding more transfers would meaningfully help Cornell - certainly there were a few impact players who went to WMU and Quinnipiac last year that were at least nominally eligible for Cornell, but I don't know that any of them would have been worth he time to pursue, or if Schafer connected with them and they just went elsewhere. Regardless, unless Schafer's on the record saying otherwise I doubt it was unwillingness to entertain transfers that was keeping Cornell off the transfer board. Rather, I suspect the main issue with the transfer portal, and why we haven't seen many guys come through it, is the same issue with recruiting at large - Cornell has limitations that don't apply to the likes of Quinnipiac and WMU. So the pool of available players isn't as big as it might seem with all the movement, and when you put filters in place around quality of play, fit with the needs of the program, interest in Cornell, and ability to get through admissions it's entirely possible a transfer every few years is about as good as it gets for us.
Now, should Jones emphasize the portal more? I have no idea. The thing about coaching is time is the enemy. You must make tradeoffs in terms of how you spend your recruiting efforts. So do you get really good at the transfer portal OR do you open up more recruiting connections to the CHL? Ideally you'd work on both, but if you have to sacrifice time building CHL connections to get a bit better at fishing in the transfer portal, is that worth the trade?
I don't know how much of not using the portal was Schafer and how much of it was structural limitations, as you say. But I think a reasonable assumption is that part of it was a coach who has been successful for 30 years wanting to continue doing things the traditional way. Also I don't think it's a huge time suck to reach out to players in the portal. Often players transfer to teams that previously recruited them, so there may already be a relationship there. Portal transfers take place over a week or two usually so it doesn't take much time away from recruiting etc.
Honestly those are pretty big assumptions. Someone said most kids in the portal already have a target team picked out. If that's true the recruiting process is more than a couple weeks of just reaching out to guys who declare intent.
Of the transfer portal guys who aren't pre-claimed, how many do we think are impact players? How many of them will have 2-3 years to contribute? How many of them can get into Cornell or have any interest in going to Ithaca? I'd wager very few, and then you're back to how you spend your time.
That said I do hope someone is reaching out to Mac Gadowski, even though it's likely hopeless.
I don't know how many players fit that criteria but the cost/benefit of trying seems extremely positive. Dartmouth had at least two transfers on their team this year. Our highest point producer since Matt Moulson was a transfer. So it's clearly possible, and the upside is very high. Clarkson took a ton of transfers under Casey so we'll find out pretty soon (within a year for two) how fruitful it is.
https://x.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1907109795292680530
"Shane Soderwall, the 2025 Sid Watson Award winner (top D-II/III hockey player), has multiple D-I offers in the transfer portal.
1.47/.945 this season in 28 games. Over two seasons, 1.52/.947 in 49 games.
Hearing Clarkson is the favorite."
hmmm how does NAHL compare to DIII?
Quote from: jts15https://x.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1907109795292680530
"Shane Soderwall, the 2025 Sid Watson Award winner (top D-II/III hockey player), has multiple D-I offers in the transfer portal.
1.47/.945 this season in 28 games. Over two seasons, 1.52/.947 in 49 games.
Hearing Clarkson is the favorite."
Those are insane numbers.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverIn this case, I bring up our excruciating regional finals losses because I believe they demonstrate that our ability to win is capped under the current regime. Schafer was one of the best college hockey coaches of all time, but I don't see how we are going to make the frozen four adhering to the same old limitations. Some of them are out of our control: no grad students, no scholarships. But there's no Ivy League rule against carrying four goalies on the roster. There's no rule against bringing in more transfers or NIL. I don't think some of these things (especially NIL) are likely to happen, but I use them as examples of things we can do to (partially) even the playing field against the BUs and Quinnipiac's.
When I said "we need to try to win," it was clearly NOT a judgment of the current team. Instead it means: we need to go farther, within reason, to get over the hump. We shouldn't be content with no frozen fours since 2003. Other teams are doing things within the rules that Cornell is allowed to do too. Cornell isn't getting to the promised land with business as usual.
I don't know if this is by intention, but your comment here suggests you think Schafer wasn't trying to do these things, and that was somehow holding the program back. I think reasonable people can debate whether or not adding more transfers would meaningfully help Cornell - certainly there were a few impact players who went to WMU and Quinnipiac last year that were at least nominally eligible for Cornell, but I don't know that any of them would have been worth he time to pursue, or if Schafer connected with them and they just went elsewhere. Regardless, unless Schafer's on the record saying otherwise I doubt it was unwillingness to entertain transfers that was keeping Cornell off the transfer board. Rather, I suspect the main issue with the transfer portal, and why we haven't seen many guys come through it, is the same issue with recruiting at large - Cornell has limitations that don't apply to the likes of Quinnipiac and WMU. So the pool of available players isn't as big as it might seem with all the movement, and when you put filters in place around quality of play, fit with the needs of the program, interest in Cornell, and ability to get through admissions it's entirely possible a transfer every few years is about as good as it gets for us.
Now, should Jones emphasize the portal more? I have no idea. The thing about coaching is time is the enemy. You must make tradeoffs in terms of how you spend your recruiting efforts. So do you get really good at the transfer portal OR do you open up more recruiting connections to the CHL? Ideally you'd work on both, but if you have to sacrifice time building CHL connections to get a bit better at fishing in the transfer portal, is that worth the trade?
I don't know how much of not using the portal was Schafer and how much of it was structural limitations, as you say. But I think a reasonable assumption is that part of it was a coach who has been successful for 30 years wanting to continue doing things the traditional way. Also I don't think it's a huge time suck to reach out to players in the portal. Often players transfer to teams that previously recruited them, so there may already be a relationship there. Portal transfers take place over a week or two usually so it doesn't take much time away from recruiting etc.
Honestly those are pretty big assumptions. Someone said most kids in the portal already have a target team picked out. If that's true the recruiting process is more than a couple weeks of just reaching out to guys who declare intent.
Of the transfer portal guys who aren't pre-claimed, how many do we think are impact players? How many of them will have 2-3 years to contribute? How many of them can get into Cornell or have any interest in going to Ithaca? I'd wager very few, and then you're back to how you spend your time.
That said I do hope someone is reaching out to Mac Gadowski, even though it's likely hopeless.
Yesterday, Casey added the first transfer of his time as head coach: Michael Fisher, formerly of Northeastern.
Hopefully there is more where that came from as Casey takes a more open approach to bringing in transfers. We are going to need a forward transfer now, with Bancroft gone.
Mike Fisher played last season with the Penticton Vees - He is listed at 6 foot and 203 lbs. on D had 2 goals and 14 assists in 35 games. (plus 41 minutes penalties.
Quote from: profudgeMike Fisher played last season with the Penticton Vees - He is listed at 6 foot and 203 lbs. on D had 2 goals and 14 assists in 35 games. (plus 41 minutes penalties.
With his freshman year at NU he was named to HE All-Academic Team (Required to get 3.0). However it must be easy since some schools have over 20 hockey players listed.
To his credit, he also made the AHCA/Krampade All-American Scholar Honors which requires a 3.75.
Wonder what school accepted him.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: profudgeMike Fisher played last season with the Penticton Vees - He is listed at 6 foot and 203 lbs. on D had 2 goals and 14 assists in 35 games. (plus 41 minutes penalties.
With his freshman year at NU he was named to HE All-Academic Team (Required to get 3.0). However it must be easy since some schools have over 20 hockey players listed.
To his credit, he also made the AHCA/Krampade All-American Scholar Honors which requires a 3.75.
Wonder what school accepted him.
I just posted on the recruits thread that he had originally committed to Princeton, so he seems academically inclined.
RPI is expected to announce its new coach today.
Quote from: ursusminorRPI is expected to announce its new coach today.
Eric Lang the likely choice?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorRPI is expected to announce its new coach today.
Eric Lang the likely choice?
Yes. He has given notice to AIC, and AIC has posted a vacancy. Of course, he might have done that anyway since AIC is dropping out of D-I.
Jason Tapp has also been mentioned often.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorRPI is expected to announce its new coach today.
Eric Lang the likely choice?
Yes. He has given notice to AIC, and AIC has posted a vacancy. Of course, he might have done that anyway since AIC is dropping out of D-I.
Jason Tapp has also been mentioned often.
Nothing was announced on Monday. :(
It's Eric Lang.
Quote from: ursusminorIt's Eric Lang.
This is my shocked face: B-]
Eric Lang press conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuUwVA6iNAs
Big Stud from NDak transfered to BU
Quote from: BearLoverBrown is getting absolutely ravaged by the portal and early departures. I think 3/4 of their top scorers and their starting goalie who put up a .917 sv% on a weak team are all leaving early via pro contract or portal. For a team that made strides this year but relied heavily on its goalie and top line, this is a disaster for them.
For our purposes though, the goalie, Lawton Zacher, could be a very realistic portal target. He has only played two years of college so he would be eligible to transfer here for his final two years. He is from Buffalo, NY. He's coming from another Ivy. And we need a goalie. Seems like we should have a real shot at him, should the coaching staff choose to pursue it. This would require carrying four goalies on the roster next year, something we never do but other programs do. Seems like it's mostly a question of how badly do we want to win next season versus upsetting team chemistry by taking in a goalie who would presumably play ahead of the three goalies who would already be here.
Zacher is headed to Northeastern. Ugh, can we please be somewhat competitive in the portal?
NCHC might sign a deal with ESPN? (https://x.com/biddco/status/1912249471313789373?s=46&t=7Tk4XdJEc8A5gatvieuYHQ)
Quote from: stereaxNCHC might sign a deal with ESPN? (https://x.com/biddco/status/1912249471313789373?s=46&t=7Tk4XdJEc8A5gatvieuYHQ)
Yes, please
https://www.cleansheethockey.com/news-1/ncaa-ties-in-nhl-central-scouting-final-rankings
Notes:
Cornell needs to step up recruiting
Quinnipiac recruiting very well
Harvard seems to be recruiting worse, continuing a trend from the last couple years
Both Clarkson players are from the CHL
Quote from: BearLoverhttps://www.cleansheethockey.com/news-1/ncaa-ties-in-nhl-central-scouting-final-rankings
Notes:
Cornell needs to step up recruiting
Quinnipiac recruiting very well
Harvard seems to be recruiting worse, continuing a trend from the last couple years
Both Clarkson players are from the CHL
Im surprised Saint Lawrence managed to trick a guy that's ranked into attending. I'll set the over under at 50.5 days for the decommitment.
Simon Haoxi Wang is wild. 6-6 defenseman from Beijing, committed to BU.
Quote from: BearLoverhttps://www.cleansheethockey.com/news-1/ncaa-ties-in-nhl-central-scouting-final-rankings
Notes:
Cornell needs to step up recruiting
Quinnipiac recruiting very well
Harvard seems to be recruiting worse, continuing a trend from the last couple years
Both Clarkson players are from the CHL
Do you really think that we're not doing as much as the coaches and athletics think we can do already given who we are as a school, our location, our resources financially, etc? And even if Casey has some new and improved recruiting plan, you couldn't expect it to slam into gear right at the change-over.
Even if getting the CHL/OHL/ etc kids as recruits was the holy grail, it's a LOT easier for teams like Q to put that plan in place right away, because they've got 4 or 5 spots a year they expect to fill through the portal. It's an easy shift for them. OTOH, we have a full pipeline. Do you want us to go grab three guys from the OHL and have to yank commitments made years ago to three other kids so we have roster space?
You're a keyboard karen yelling at how unfair the world is. Unless you actually have some reasonable, concrete, novel, and
implementable recommendation that you are willing to directly phone in to Nicki and/or Casey to save the day, please STFU with this recruiting whining already. (Try therapy instead. Less fun, more productive than being here).
Quote from: abmarkskeyboard karen
If this is original it should get the Nobel Prize for Literature. Bravo.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: abmarkskeyboard karen
If this is original it should get the Nobel Prize for Literature. Bravo.
TY Sir. I don't think I'd heard it anywhere before, but i'm not surprised that someone beat me to the punch.
Urban dictionary:
Keyboard KarenA person who stalks the comment section on social media platforms and harassess anyone with an opinion that could be perceived as different from their own. They are often entitled and speak down to others with a prominent self righteous attitude. When cornered in an argument, they may resort to accusations of bigotry or assume the role of victim.
ex: I commented on a joke last night and a Keyboard Karen spent 2 hours trying to make me feel like a terrible person!
by Just Ignore Them December 18, 2021
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverhttps://www.cleansheethockey.com/news-1/ncaa-ties-in-nhl-central-scouting-final-rankings
Notes:
Cornell needs to step up recruiting
Quinnipiac recruiting very well
Harvard seems to be recruiting worse, continuing a trend from the last couple years
Both Clarkson players are from the CHL
Do you really think that we're not doing as much as the coaches and athletics think we can do already given who we are as a school, our location, our resources financially, etc? And even if Casey has some new and improved recruiting plan, you couldn't expect it to slam into gear right at the change-over.
Even if getting the CHL/OHL/ etc kids as recruits was the holy grail, it's a LOT easier for teams like Q to put that plan in place right away, because they've got 4 or 5 spots a year they expect to fill through the portal. It's an easy shift for them. OTOH, we have a full pipeline. Do you want us to go grab three guys from the OHL and have to yank commitments made years ago to three other kids so we have roster space?
You're a keyboard karen yelling at how unfair the world is. Unless you actually have some reasonable, concrete, novel, and implementable recommendation that you are willing to directly phone in to Nicki and/or Casey to save the day, please STFU with this recruiting whining already. (Try therapy instead. Less fun, more productive than being here).
You are completely insane, dude. Let's go look at what I said: "Cornell needs to pick up recruiting." I wrote this on an Internet forum of hockey fans. And you got so triggered by this total harmless message that you wrote three paragraphs screaming at me.
Also, lmao, our recruiting class in 2023 had 5 draft players. You think one kid ranked by central scouting is the best we can do? We have a new coach and the population of recruitable kids just doubled, there is massive room for growth. And where did I say I expected our recruiting to pick up overnight? I'm looking towards the future, obviously. You also say a bunch of other nonsense that I've already spoken about countless times in other posts. You spent your entire post knocking down an imaginary strawman (stupid BearLove doesn't realize our pipeline is full, yet he expect our recruiting to magically improve overnight despite the fact we are already doing as well as we possibly can). That's completely untrue, all of it.
Let's just be clear what happened here: I, a fan of a college hockey team, wrote on an Internet forum: "Cornell needs to pick up recruiting." This is not a rude nor uninformed opinion. And you went berserk. You couldn't handle it! You are nuts!
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverhttps://www.cleansheethockey.com/news-1/ncaa-ties-in-nhl-central-scouting-final-rankings
Notes:
Cornell needs to step up recruiting
Quinnipiac recruiting very well
Harvard seems to be recruiting worse, continuing a trend from the last couple years
Both Clarkson players are from the CHL
Do you really think that we're not doing as much as the coaches and athletics think we can do already given who we are as a school, our location, our resources financially, etc? And even if Casey has some new and improved recruiting plan, you couldn't expect it to slam into gear right at the change-over.
Even if getting the CHL/OHL/ etc kids as recruits was the holy grail, it's a LOT easier for teams like Q to put that plan in place right away, because they've got 4 or 5 spots a year they expect to fill through the portal. It's an easy shift for them. OTOH, we have a full pipeline. Do you want us to go grab three guys from the OHL and have to yank commitments made years ago to three other kids so we have roster space?
You're a keyboard karen yelling at how unfair the world is. Unless you actually have some reasonable, concrete, novel, and implementable recommendation that you are willing to directly phone in to Nicki and/or Casey to save the day, please STFU with this recruiting whining already. (Try therapy instead. Less fun, more productive than being here).
You are completely insane, dude. Let's go look at what I said: "Cornell needs to pick up recruiting." I wrote this on an Internet forum of hockey fans. And you got so triggered by this total harmless message that you wrote three paragraphs screaming at me.
Also, lmao, our recruiting class in 2023 had 5 draft players. You think one kid ranked by central scouting is the best we can do? We have a new coach and the population of recruitable kids just doubled, there is massive room for growth. And where did I say I expected our recruiting to pick up overnight? I'm looking towards the future, obviously. You also say a bunch of other nonsense that I've already spoken about countless times in other posts. You spent your entire post knocking down an imaginary strawman (stupid BearLove doesn't realize our pipeline is full, yet he expect our recruiting to magically improve overnight despite the fact we are already doing as well as we possibly can). That's completely untrue, all of it.
Let's just be clear what happened here: I, a fan of a college hockey team, wrote on an Internet forum: "Cornell needs to pick up recruiting." This is not a rude nor uninformed opinion. And you went berserk. You couldn't handle it! You are nuts!
A classic example of a keyboard Karen response.
"Officer, I'd like to report a murder." ::popcorn::
https://x.com/schlossmangf/status/1914722642587689104?s=46
Maybe he wants to play for Casey again. Or maybe he wants a big payday from the big 10, if that's a real thing that exists (unknown).
Edit: oh wait, he's a rising senior, he can't transfer to Cornell.
The ECAC is really getting ravaged by the portal. It's going to be Quinnipiac, huge gap, and then everyone else next season. If we still had Robertson and Bancroft we'd easily be the second best team, but without them we'll be rebuilding like the rest of the league.
Quote from: BearLoverhttps://x.com/schlossmangf/status/1914722642587689104?s=46
Maybe he wants to play for Casey again. Or maybe he wants a big payday from the big 10, if that's a real thing that exists (unknown).
Edit: oh wait, he's a rising senior, he can't transfer to Cornell.
The ECAC is really getting ravaged by the portal. It's going to be Quinnipiac, huge gap, and then everyone else next season. If we still had Robertson and Bancroft we'd easily be the second best team, but without them we'll be rebuilding like the rest of the league.
Clarkson has multiple point a game guys and a goalie with a .920 save percentage coming in from the CHL. They could be really good if CHL guys don't completely flop in college. I know they would all be freshmen but that's not as concerning when it's a bunch of 21 year olds.
Never change, Colgate (https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/colleges-with-wealthiest-students/).
(I had no idea about CC. Fuck them.)
A more detailed (and prettier) treatment (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html).
A far, far more detailed (less pretty) analysis of Cornell (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/cornell-university). (tldr: we suck, but not compared to the other Ivies.)
The scatter plot and trending charts are most interesting. I would have expected us (and the Ivies in general) to have become less scumbag-ridden in the last 40 years but nope -- flatlining all the way. Tutoring and privilege in high school still replicates class. Whodathunk?
Fun fact: the top 4 universities for "Median student income at age 34" are pharmacy schools. MIT is 5th.
Quote from: TrotskyNever change, Colgate (https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/colleges-with-wealthiest-students/).
(I had no idea about CC. Fuck them.)
A more detailed (and prettier) treatment (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html).
A far, far more detailed (less pretty) analysis of Cornell (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/cornell-university). (tldr: we suck, but not compared to the other Ivies.)
The scatter plot and trending charts are most interesting. I would have expected us (and the Ivies in general) to have become less scumbag-ridden in the last 40 years but nope -- flatlining all the way. Tutoring and privilege in high school still replicates class. Whodathunk?
Fun fact: the top 4 universities for "Median student income at age 34" are pharmacy schools. MIT is 5th.
You really hate rich people huh? Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they're the scum of the earth
Increases the odds.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyNever change, Colgate (https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/colleges-with-wealthiest-students/).
(I had no idea about CC. Fuck them.)
A more detailed (and prettier) treatment (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html).
A far, far more detailed (less pretty) analysis of Cornell (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/cornell-university). (tldr: we suck, but not compared to the other Ivies.)
The scatter plot and trending charts are most interesting. I would have expected us (and the Ivies in general) to have become less scumbag-ridden in the last 40 years but nope -- flatlining all the way. Tutoring and privilege in high school still replicates class. Whodathunk?
Fun fact: the top 4 universities for "Median student income at age 34" are pharmacy schools. MIT is 5th.
You really hate rich people huh? Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they're the scum of the earth
Rich people are the same as everybody else. Which is why the top 1% should make up 1% of the class, and the top 10% should make up 10%.
Otherwise it really is a scam to keep the failsons in the dough, like all the proles think. Cuz I know these folks and wealth and intelligence sure as shit aint correlated.
I want Cornell to be the exception it claims to be. That would be truly worthy of pride.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyNever change, Colgate (https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/colleges-with-wealthiest-students/).
(I had no idea about CC. Fuck them.)
A more detailed (and prettier) treatment (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html).
A far, far more detailed (less pretty) analysis of Cornell (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/cornell-university). (tldr: we suck, but not compared to the other Ivies.)
The scatter plot and trending charts are most interesting. I would have expected us (and the Ivies in general) to have become less scumbag-ridden in the last 40 years but nope -- flatlining all the way. Tutoring and privilege in high school still replicates class. Whodathunk?
Fun fact: the top 4 universities for "Median student income at age 34" are pharmacy schools. MIT is 5th.
You really hate rich people huh? Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they're the scum of the earth
Rich people are the same as everybody else. Which is why the top 1% should make up 1% of the class, and the top 10% should make up 10%.
Otherwise it really is a scam to keep the failsons in the dough, like all the proles think. Cuz I know these folks and wealth and intelligence sure as shit aint correlated.
I want Cornell to be the exception it claims to be. That would be truly worthy of pride.
LOL, I was thinking right before I got to Trotskys reply that it's not the rich he hates, but the undeserving spawn.
Trotsky, go.read the upshot report you quoted and pull.up Cornell and hit the compare to Ivies option. You'll find we are top or second ranked iirc on all the significant upward mobility stats vs. the rest of Ivy (like percent of students moving from bottom 20% of income scale when entering, to top 20% of scale when measuring down the road at some point.)
Quotevs. the rest of Ivy
This is the operative word. Right now we are the smartest kid in the Upper Class Twit of the Year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxSM5y7Pfs&ab_channel=FallopianCanoeist) contest. I'd love it if within my grandchild's lifetime we were measuring ourselves against someone other than Special Olympians.
If you're in the same conversation as Dartmouth re: academic integrity, you're doing something very very wrong.
Hey, fun stat: (https://x.com/NHLFoley/status/1911567882573558253?t=hyLjNYuzkROnrpZmTdR-zA&s=19)
Castagna's '24 season leads all U19 college skaters (since '23) in even-strength GF%. Better than the likes of Cooley, Fantilli, Leonard, Perreault, Smith, Celebrini.
Quote from: TrotskyQuotevs. the rest of Ivy
This is the operative word. Right now we are the smartest kid in the Upper Class Twit of the Year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxSM5y7Pfs&ab_channel=FallopianCanoeist) contest. I'd love it if within my grandchild's lifetime we were measuring ourselves against someone other than Special Olympians.
If you're in the same conversation as Dartmouth re: academic integrity, you're doing something very very wrong.
There are other comparisons available, I just didn't try them. You should see how we stack up against the world and not just ivy
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: TrotskyQuotevs. the rest of Ivy
This is the operative word. Right now we are the smartest kid in the Upper Class Twit of the Year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxSM5y7Pfs&ab_channel=FallopianCanoeist) contest. I'd love it if within my grandchild's lifetime we were measuring ourselves against someone other than Special Olympians.
If you're in the same conversation as Dartmouth re: academic integrity, you're doing something very very wrong.
There are other comparisons available, I just didn't try them. You should see how we stack up against the world and not just ivy
The detailed link above does just that. Hence the summary: we suck, just not as bad as the other Ivies.
Some words (https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/legacy-privilege-david-deming-and-raj-chetty-how-elite-college-admissions-policies) from of all places the Cambridge MBA Degree Mill. Let's continue on the Double Secret Branch if you wish.
Yet another top CHL player commits to Clarkson for next season. This time it is Matthew Mayich, 6th round draft pick, defenseman who had 7-35-42 in 66 games in the OHL. He is already 20 so I assume he is looking to only be at Clarkson for a couple of years before bolting for the pros. Clarkson and Quinnipiac continue benefiting from CHL age-out players way more than the rest of the ECAC. It seems similar to how Quinnipiac loaded up on grad transfers over the last few years, which is the only reason they won a national title.
Would be nice to see Cornell get a single one of these CHL age-out players to plug some holes the next year or two, but so far it's been Clarkson 6, Quinnipiac 5, Cornell 0.
Quote from: BearLoverWould be nice to see Cornell get a single one of these CHL age-out players to plug some holes the next year or two, but so far it's been Clarkson 6, Quinnipiac 5, Cornell 0.
US News rankings, for what they're worth:
Cornell 11 in National Universities (tie)
Clarkson 152 in National Universities (tie)
Quinnipiac 179 in National Universities (tie)
Cornell 10 in Engineering Programs (doctorate)
Clarkson 113 in Engineering Programs (doctorate)
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College hockey apparently shifting from RPI to NPI, looks to be very beneficial to us but waiting to see what tweaks they make
Quote from: chimpfoodCollege hockey apparently shifting from RPI to NPI, looks to be very beneficial to us but waiting to see what tweaks they make
What is the difference from RPI and why does it benefit us?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodCollege hockey apparently shifting from RPI to NPI, looks to be very beneficial to us but waiting to see what tweaks they make
What is the difference from RPI and why does it benefit us?
I haven't put in the time to understand it fully yet (and I won't bother until they announce exactly what tweaks and everything they are making to it) but this article explains the difference between NPI and RPI.
https://diiihockeynews.com/breaking-down-the-npi/
Someone on Reddit posted what the NPI would have looked like this year and it clearly seems more favorable to weaker schedules than the RPI. Clarkson and us would have been one spot higher in the NPI, quinnipiac would have jumped three spots, Bentley would have been 17th, etc.
Another '04 with big numbers in the CHL commits to Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac and Clarkson are each slated to have about six of those on their rosters next year.
Quote from: BearLoverAnother '04 with big numbers in the CHL commits to Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac and Clarkson are each slated to have about six of those on their rosters next year.
Luckily all of these guys are 5 foot 9 or less or have some other issue that is making it so they have no NHL/AHL interest. Those issues will probably make them far from dominant in college but even if they do end up being outstanding, they'll probably leave as soon as they have a good year
If Clarkson can get them, we can get them.
Q has ceased even the pretension of being a university so that's a different story. No desire to follow that lead, I for one welcome their inevitable jump to the Big Ten.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: BearLoverAnother '04 with big numbers in the CHL commits to Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac and Clarkson are each slated to have about six of those on their rosters next year.
Luckily all of these guys are 5 foot 9 or less or have some other issue that is making it so they have no NHL/AHL interest. Those issues will probably make them far from dominant in college but even if they do end up being outstanding, they'll probably leave as soon as they have a good year
^ ^ ^
This puts the CHL issue to bed AFAIC. Like every other existential threat to Cornell hockey, it's a chimera.
People like to doom; the Post sells for a reason.
Quote from: TrotskyIf Clarkson can get them, we can get them.
Q has ceased even the pretension of being a university so that's a different story. No desire to follow that lead, I for one welcome their inevitable jump to the Big Ten.
Quinnipiac acceptance rate: 84%
Clarkson acceptance rate: 78%
Cornell acceptance rate: 7%
I really do not understand the view held by many on this forum that Quinnipiac is a uniquely unserious academic school. While Quinnipiac is probably an unserious academic school, this is NOT unique. It seems extremely unlikely that any of the kids who get into Quinnipiac for hockey wouldn't also get into Clarkson, or dozens of other D-1 hockey programs.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: BearLoverAnother '04 with big numbers in the CHL commits to Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac and Clarkson are each slated to have about six of those on their rosters next year.
Luckily all of these guys are 5 foot 9 or less or have some other issue that is making it so they have no NHL/AHL interest. Those issues will probably make them far from dominant in college but even if they do end up being outstanding, they'll probably leave as soon as they have a good year
^ ^ ^
This puts the CHL issue to bed AFAIC. Like every other existential threat to Cornell hockey, it's a chimera.
People like to doom; the Post sells for a reason.
Come on, man. chimpfood makes reasonable points but it does not "put the CHL issue to bed." Not a single one of these kids has played a single minute of NCAA hockey yet. Nobody knows how this is going to turn out.
Also, I did not say anything about it being an existential threat to Cornell. I was merely pointing out that two of our conference rivals have loaded up on CHL players for next year. I don't know how that's going to turn out, nor does anybody else.
But given that hockey coaches are rational actors, and they've decided to recruit from the CHL rather other leagues to fill these roster spots, we can infer that these coaches believe that recruiting from the CHL gives them a better chance to win than recruiting from other leagues. Ergo, CHL players becoming NCAA eligible has improved recruit quality for these schools.
Cornell's incoming recruits look good. But now our competition has likely upgraded their recruits. The standard that we are up against has improved. (Unless the Quinnipiac and Clarkson coaching staffs have no idea what they're doing.)
FWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
Quote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
Oh hey, Jack Gorton. I've heard tales of his stupidity before LOL.
Quote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
That's bonkers!
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
Oh hey, Jack Gorton. I've heard tales of his stupidity before LOL.
Are you saying that he is just stupid or stupid for picking RPI? As was pointed out on the RPI thread on USCHO, he majored in advertising at BU, which may mean that a lot of his credits won't transfer. The closest RPI has is a school of Management and a Communications major in the School of History, Art, and Social Sciences.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
That's bonkers!
Considering RPI's performance last season, it makes sense. They did lose five players to the portal whom I would have liked to see back.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
Oh hey, Jack Gorton. I've heard tales of his stupidity before LOL.
Are you saying that he is just stupid or stupid for picking RPI? As was pointed out on the RPI thread on USCHO, he majored in advertising at BU, which may mean that a lot of his credits won't transfer. The closest RPI has is a school of Management and a Communications major in the School of History, Art, and Social Sciences.
sorry for the drift but... really? i have a hard time believing that RPI wouldn't give credit towards a degree for classes taken at BU. BU is not the University of Phoenix, even if nobody at RPI studies advertising under that name.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
Oh hey, Jack Gorton. I've heard tales of his stupidity before LOL.
Are you saying that he is just stupid or stupid for picking RPI? As was pointed out on the RPI thread on USCHO, he majored in advertising at BU, which may mean that a lot of his credits won't transfer. The closest RPI has is a school of Management and a Communications major in the School of History, Art, and Social Sciences.
sorry for the drift but... really? i have a hard time believing that RPI wouldn't give credit towards a degree for classes taken at BU. BU is not the University of Phoenix, even if nobody at RPI studies advertising under that name.
Whatever he majors in at RPI will have certain course requirements. After two years at BU, there may not be enough slots to put the courses which he has already passed into.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI supposedly has 20 new players for 2025-6, 12 of whom are from the portal. Of the first-year players, three played major juniors. This agrees with my best guess. (https://fanforum.uscho.com/threads/rpi-2025-off-season-help-is-on-the-way.36912/post-2919030)
Oh hey, Jack Gorton. I've heard tales of his stupidity before LOL.
Are you saying that he is just stupid or stupid for picking RPI? As was pointed out on the RPI thread on USCHO, he majored in advertising at BU, which may mean that a lot of his credits won't transfer. The closest RPI has is a school of Management and a Communications major in the School of History, Art, and Social Sciences.
Considering I have heard from BU Friend that Gorton was yelled at by the team captain (Lachance) that a signature was not just "writing out his full name" at the team signing event... I'm gonna say just stupid.
Speaking of BU, Jack Parker gets inducted into the Hockey HOF (https://www.nhl.com/news/zdeno-chara-joe-thornton-duncan-keith-alexander-mogilny-elected-to-hockey-hall-of-fame). Well deserved.
Quote from: IcebergSpeaking of BU, Jack Parker gets inducted into the Hockey HOF (https://www.nhl.com/news/zdeno-chara-joe-thornton-duncan-keith-alexander-mogilny-elected-to-hockey-hall-of-fame). Well deserved.
Kudos to him.
Mike McMahon reports that NHL draft rights will expire at 22 for all players now.
https://x.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1937997535873777879?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I'm curious how this will affect us and our tendency to bring in older players.
Quote from: chimpfoodMike McMahon reports that NHL draft rights will expire at 22 for all players now.
https://x.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1937997535873777879?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I'm curious how this will affect us and our tendency to bring in older players.
Draft rights. I don't think this hits us as hard as some other schools, given we don't have high level drafted players that often, but there's obviously going to be pressure as players turn 22 to sign if they are drafted...
Quote from: chimpfoodMike McMahon reports that NHL draft rights will expire at 22 for all players now.
https://x.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1937997535873777879?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I'm curious how this will affect us and our tendency to bring in older players.
What a stupid rule, and clearly worse than the old one, which was (correct me if I'm wrong) that NHL teams hold a drafted player's rights for four years *from their freshman year of college.* Now, if you're drafted at 18 like most players, you basically can't play juniors or else you lose a year of college. If you're 19 or 20, you can't play 4 years of college at all if you sign with the team that drafted you.
This change won't affect the truly elite players who were leaving college within a year or two anyway. It will instead impact the good drafted players who typically would sign pro their junior or senior year.
This change might create perverse incentives. For example, drafted players should skip/leave junior hockey and go straight to college no matter how ready they are (which in turn severely weakens the USHL and other junior leagues). And drafted overagers are not as worth recruiting because (if they're good enough for the NHL) they will only stay 2 or 3 years. And from a fan perspective, it leaves us rooting *against* our recruits being taken in the NHL draft.
So kids are drafted hoping they will be good.. If they do play well the team has to sign them or they go back into the pool? How is that a bad thing? if you are marginal player that gets drafted teams are either not signing you or lowering the offer.. If the team matters to you then thats an issue but again thats just luck anyway.
Quote from: upprdeckSo kids are drafted hoping they will be good.. If they do play well the team has to sign them or they go back into the pool? How is that a bad thing?
I might not understand what you mean but the problem is that once you are 22 the NHL team will try to sign you - if they want you - and this is without worries as to whether you will graduate. I would think it's a bad thing if the rules push the NHL teams to sign the players before they graduate.
But would some of the younger players be less likely to have pressure to sign. If one doesn't turn 22 until senior year then wouldn't the new rule be less likely to cause the player to leave early? Granted this is a subset of the whole universe of potential draftees.
I wonder how many of our draft picks will turn 22 this season and if we risk losing any before the season starts
one thing that might happen, is NHL teams will be less likely to take NCAA-bound players in the later rounds.
Quote from: adamwone thing that might happen, is NHL teams will be less likely to take NCAA-bound players in the later rounds.
Absolutely, was just thinking that this hurts the chances of DiGiulian and Cournoyer getting drafted (but I guess helps us). Does anyone know if players drafted under the old rules are going to be immediately subject to the new ones or will there be grandfathering in? This is relevant for some of our draftees like Fegaras, Devlin, Walsh and Fisher who are already 21 with multiple years of
NCAA eligibility remaining.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: adamwone thing that might happen, is NHL teams will be less likely to take NCAA-bound players in the later rounds.
Absolutely, was just thinking that this hurts the chances of DiGiulian and Cournoyer getting drafted (but I guess helps us). Does anyone know if players drafted under the old rules are going to be immediately subject to the new ones or will there be grandfathering in? This is relevant for some of our draftees like Fegaras, Devlin, Walsh and Fisher who are already 21 with multiple years of
NCAA eligibility remaining.
Seems like it would be a complete disaster for existing players to be grandfathered in. Imagine a 23-y/o draft pick whose rights are suddenly expired.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: adamwone thing that might happen, is NHL teams will be less likely to take NCAA-bound players in the later rounds.
Absolutely, was just thinking that this hurts the chances of DiGiulian and Cournoyer getting drafted (but I guess helps us). Does anyone know if players drafted under the old rules are going to be immediately subject to the new ones or will there be grandfathering in? This is relevant for some of our draftees like Fegaras, Devlin, Walsh and Fisher who are already 21 with multiple years of
NCAA eligibility remaining.
Seems like it would be a complete disaster for existing players to be grandfathered in. Imagine a 23-y/o draft pick whose rights are suddenly expired.
I must be missing something. What's the downside to free agency vs. being locked to the team that drafted you? If you get drafted by Carolina (to pick a team at random), their exclusivity expires and you become a free agent, how's that hurt you?
If Carolina really really wants to not lose you, they might well be motivated to overpay you to sign before you are a free agent, I'll grant that point. But nothing prevents Carolina from signing you a year later and if you're any good at that point a year later you may well have multiple teams interested and will then actually have a choice in what the best fit is, plus the competitive bidding that might be involved.
The only guys I see it hurting would be players who were drafted but as the rights near expiration they have underperformed significantly versus expectation. It seems plausible that some of those underperformers would make a little more money short-term because a team didn't want to have completely wasted draft pick then at player might receive trying to hook up as a free agent given that they had underperformed.
Someone please fill in the banks for me...
Pretty much the marginal players have to bank on themselves. They wait and play in college and hope to get better and improve a contract. If you get to the end and you have not done so, then you are more desperate to sign or else give up the dream. If you play well signing makes no sense with no control of where you might go.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodQuote from: adamwone thing that might happen, is NHL teams will be less likely to take NCAA-bound players in the later rounds.
Absolutely, was just thinking that this hurts the chances of DiGiulian and Cournoyer getting drafted (but I guess helps us). Does anyone know if players drafted under the old rules are going to be immediately subject to the new ones or will there be grandfathering in? This is relevant for some of our draftees like Fegaras, Devlin, Walsh and Fisher who are already 21 with multiple years of
NCAA eligibility remaining.
Seems like it would be a complete disaster for existing players to be grandfathered in. Imagine a 23-y/o draft pick whose rights are suddenly expired.
I must be missing something. What's the downside to free agency vs. being locked to the team that drafted you? If you get drafted by Carolina (to pick a team at random), their exclusivity expires and you become a free agent, how's that hurt you?
If Carolina really really wants to not lose you, they might well be motivated to overpay you to sign before you are a free agent, I'll grant that point. But nothing prevents Carolina from signing you a year later and if you're any good at that point a year later you may well have multiple teams interested and will then actually have a choice in what the best fit is, plus the competitive bidding that might be involved.
The only guys I see it hurting would be players who were drafted but as the rights near expiration they have underperformed significantly versus expectation. It seems plausible that some of those underperformers would make a little more money short-term because a team didn't want to have completely wasted draft pick then at player might receive trying to hook up as a free agent given that they had underperformed.
Someone please fill in the banks for me...
It's pretty clearly a complete disaster for the teams that drafted the players? For the teams that traded for those player?
FYI Frank Seravalli - who most likely has the CBA deal sitting in front of him - is saying something different about draft rights (that basically nothing will change). I spent a bunch of time at the draft trying to get more specifics, but couldn't - so - stay tuned.
I don't see a good argument against this rule so far. The idea of the timeout is NHL teams can't throttle players' careers by holding their rights indefinitely. If the player develops sufficiently he should move up and into the pro system. If they can't come to terms, the player becomes a UFA and can shop himself to the whole league.
The rules are there to protect the drafting team but also prevent them from stockpiling. Seems like a good balance to me.
For the NC$$, unless I am misinterpreting, it introduces greater risk for Q'ing players by delaying their freshman season until their first prostate exam. Younger players are safer from being coaxed away to the pros.
Or am I missing something?
Quote from: TrotskyFor the NC$$, unless I am misinterpreting, it introduces greater risk for Q'ing players by delaying their freshman season until their first prostate exam. Younger players are safer from being coaxed away to the pros.
Or am I missing something?
Neither we nor Quinnipiac are getting the truly high-end players who sign pro after one or two college seasons. Cornell/Q get players taken in the third round and beyond who rarely sign until their junior or senior year is complete. This new draft eligibility rule would lead to:
—players going straight to college even if they aren't ready and would benefit from a year of juniors
—players like Ryan Walsh, Xavier Veilleux, Alexis Cournoyer, Colin Greening, many others having a maximum three years at Cornell before their draft teams sign them, assuming they are good enough to sign [I'm using these four players merely as an example; likely the old rule will be grandfathered in for at least Walsh and Veilleux]
—fewer players staying four years and graduating from college in general. Under the new rule, there will be greater desire by NHL teams to sign these players before their senior year, and players will have to choose between completing school and going pro/big payday, whereas under the prior rule it was very possible to do both
I'm not making a normative claim over what's fairer or better for the players; I'm commenting from the perspective of how it will affect college hockey teams. Since most of our draft picks are long-shots to have a long NHL career, I'd personally prefer a rule that lets them stay in college for longer.
Another example of the silliness of this rule is Cole Tuminaro: he was ranked by NHL Central Scouting before this season. He missed the entire year to injury and wasn't drafted. If next year he has a strong season and gets drafted in his second year of eligibility, he'll only have three years at Cornell before getting signed.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyFor the NC$$, unless I am misinterpreting, it introduces greater risk for Q'ing players by delaying their freshman season until their first prostate exam. Younger players are safer from being coaxed away to the pros.
Or am I missing something?
Neither we nor Quinnipiac are getting the truly high-end players who sign pro after one or two college seasons. Cornell/Q get players taken in the third round and beyond who rarely sign until their junior or senior year is complete. This new draft eligibility rule would lead to:
—players going straight to college even if they aren't ready and would benefit from a year of juniors
—players like Ryan Walsh, Xavier Veilleux, Alexis Cournoyer, Colin Greening, many others having a maximum three years at Cornell before their draft teams sign them, assuming they are good enough to sign [I'm using these four players merely as an example; likely the old rule will be grandfathered in for at least Walsh and Veilleux]
—fewer players staying four years and graduating from college in general. Under the new rule, there will be greater desire by NHL teams to sign these players before their senior year, and players will have to choose between completing school and going pro/big payday, whereas under the prior rule it was very possible to do both
I'm not making a normative claim over what's fairer or better for the players; I'm commenting from the perspective of how it will affect college hockey teams. Since most of our draft picks are long-shots to have a long NHL career, I'd personally prefer a rule that lets them stay in college for longer.
I think it's still up in the air exactly how it's going to work - I heard that if a player is in the NCAA, the team will retain rights past 22 until I think either 30 days after four years of college or 30 days after the player declares intent to no longer play college. But I might be mistaken.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyFor the NC$$, unless I am misinterpreting, it introduces greater risk for Q'ing players by delaying their freshman season until their first prostate exam. Younger players are safer from being coaxed away to the pros.
Or am I missing something?
Neither we nor Quinnipiac are getting the truly high-end players who sign pro after one or two college seasons. Cornell/Q get players taken in the third round and beyond who rarely sign until their junior or senior year is complete. This new draft eligibility rule would lead to:
—players going straight to college even if they aren't ready and would benefit from a year of juniors
—players like Ryan Walsh, Xavier Veilleux, Alexis Cournoyer, Colin Greening, many others having a maximum three years at Cornell before their draft teams sign them, assuming they are good enough to sign [I'm using these four players merely as an example; likely the old rule will be grandfathered in for at least Walsh and Veilleux]
—fewer players staying four years and graduating from college in general. Under the new rule, there will be greater desire by NHL teams to sign these players before their senior year, and players will have to choose between completing school and going pro/big payday, whereas under the prior rule it was very possible to do both
I'm not making a normative claim over what's fairer or better for the players; I'm commenting from the perspective of how it will affect college hockey teams. Since most of our draft picks are long-shots to have a long NHL career, I'd personally prefer a rule that lets them stay in college for longer.
I think it's still up in the air exactly how it's going to work - I heard that if a player is in the NCAA, the team will retain rights past 22 until I think either 30 days after four years of college or 30 days after the player declares intent to no longer play college. But I might be mistaken.
I hope so. This makes sense and not really akin to suing your orthodontist three years after you reach the age of majority - but what is?
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyFor the NC$$, unless I am misinterpreting, it introduces greater risk for Q'ing players by delaying their freshman season until their first prostate exam. Younger players are safer from being coaxed away to the pros.
Or am I missing something?
Neither we nor Quinnipiac are getting the truly high-end players who sign pro after one or two college seasons. Cornell/Q get players taken in the third round and beyond who rarely sign until their junior or senior year is complete. This new draft eligibility rule would lead to:
—players going straight to college even if they aren't ready and would benefit from a year of juniors
—players like Ryan Walsh, Xavier Veilleux, Alexis Cournoyer, Colin Greening, many others having a maximum three years at Cornell before their draft teams sign them, assuming they are good enough to sign [I'm using these four players merely as an example; likely the old rule will be grandfathered in for at least Walsh and Veilleux]
—fewer players staying four years and graduating from college in general. Under the new rule, there will be greater desire by NHL teams to sign these players before their senior year, and players will have to choose between completing school and going pro/big payday, whereas under the prior rule it was very possible to do both
I'm not making a normative claim over what's fairer or better for the players; I'm commenting from the perspective of how it will affect college hockey teams. Since most of our draft picks are long-shots to have a long NHL career, I'd personally prefer a rule that lets them stay in college for longer.
I think it's still up in the air exactly how it's going to work - I heard that if a player is in the NCAA, the team will retain rights past 22 until I think either 30 days after four years of college or 30 days after the player declares intent to no longer play college. But I might be mistaken.
This is what Frank Seravalli reported while we were at the draft. Which basically means nothing would change. Now, Frank Seravalli knows more than any of us put together about what's going on - and like I said, was probably reading directly from the draft CBA. But it would contradict everything I've about what the point of the new CBA is on this point -- which is the make things simpler and uniform for all players. So I've been trying to get clarification.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyFor the NC$$, unless I am misinterpreting, it introduces greater risk for Q'ing players by delaying their freshman season until their first prostate exam. Younger players are safer from being coaxed away to the pros.
Or am I missing something?
Neither we nor Quinnipiac are getting the truly high-end players who sign pro after one or two college seasons. Cornell/Q get players taken in the third round and beyond who rarely sign until their junior or senior year is complete. This new draft eligibility rule would lead to:
—players going straight to college even if they aren't ready and would benefit from a year of juniors
—players like Ryan Walsh, Xavier Veilleux, Alexis Cournoyer, Colin Greening, many others having a maximum three years at Cornell before their draft teams sign them, assuming they are good enough to sign [I'm using these four players merely as an example; likely the old rule will be grandfathered in for at least Walsh and Veilleux]
—fewer players staying four years and graduating from college in general. Under the new rule, there will be greater desire by NHL teams to sign these players before their senior year, and players will have to choose between completing school and going pro/big payday, whereas under the prior rule it was very possible to do both
I'm not making a normative claim over what's fairer or better for the players; I'm commenting from the perspective of how it will affect college hockey teams. Since most of our draft picks are long-shots to have a long NHL career, I'd personally prefer a rule that lets them stay in college for longer.
I think it's still up in the air exactly how it's going to work - I heard that if a player is in the NCAA, the team will retain rights past 22 until I think either 30 days after four years of college or 30 days after the player declares intent to no longer play college. But I might be mistaken.
This is what Frank Seravalli reported while we were at the draft. Which basically means nothing would change. Now, Frank Seravalli knows more than any of us put together about what's going on - and like I said, was probably reading directly from the draft CBA. But it would contradict everything I've about what the point of the new CBA is on this point -- which is the make things simpler and uniform for all players. So I've been trying to get clarification.
Seravalli's a fucking hack... hate the guy since he went to bat for Bowman and Quenneville... but we'll see.
Quinnipiac's incoming class of ten players consists of:
7 overagers from the CHL
1 transfer from RPI
1 draft pick (Matthew Lansing) from the USHL
1 goalie from the NAHL
The strategy of importing old players continues, now focused on the CHL rather than grad transfers.
Of the 10 players in this year's class, 8 committed since 12/9/24 (i.e. in the last 6.5 months). How many recruits were told not to come, or pushed back a year, to make room for all these new commitments?
Quote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac's incoming class of ten players consists of:
7 overagers from the CHL
1 transfer from RPI
1 draft pick (Matthew Lansing) from the USHL
1 goalie from the NAHL
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Sx4lxkV5Y&ab_channel=DennyPratt[/video]
Clarkson already managed to lose their star goalie recruit, Jackson Parsons. Has already been mentioned by Adam and Mike McMahon but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these CHL guys flake on college teams halfway through the year because they aren't getting the playing time or development that they're looking for.
Quote from: chimpfoodClarkson already managed to lose their star goalie recruit, Jackson Parsons. Has already been mentioned by Adam and Mike McMahon but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these CHL guys flake on college teams halfway through the year because they aren't getting the playing time or development that they're looking for.
The 29-34 game regular season is pretty short for goalies in particular, or a skater looking for valuable on ice experience. One of many pluses and minuses that hockey players have had to think about before going NCAA. There's so much about the new rules right now have to shake out.
Will NCAA skaters go play for CHL teams over break? Go skate for them after the regular season or playoff runs are over and return next year? What about CHL players that get called up to the NHL and are returned before the 9 game limit? Can they play NCAA hockey?
Quote from: The RancorWhat about CHL players that get called up to the NHL and are returned before the 9 game limit? Can they play NCAA hockey?
This one I can answer for you: no. NCAA requires that you not have signed a professional sports contract; those players on 9-game tryouts have.
Quote from: The RancorWill NCAA skaters go play for CHL teams over break?
No. Ignoring the dislocating effect, the CHL does not want them.
Whether an article references $700,000 (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/07/07_Reports-Top-Blue-Chipper.php) or $200,000 (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/06/27_NHL-Draft-Projections-Who.php) these early NIL stories are giving me a very bad feeling about college hockey going forward.
"I know how this one ends (https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/South-Sea-Bubble/)." --Windows, The Thing
Ben Syer to coach US U18 team.
https://x.com/princetonhockey/status/1945887561081053373
Quote from: jts15Ben Syer to coach US U18 team.
https://x.com/princetonhockey/status/1945887561081053373
to clarify - assistant for the Hlinka Cup team at that tournament in August. Not the actual U-18 team, which is a permanent position.
Still pretty cool. Congrats, Ben.
RPI lost a recruit, Joseph Henneberry (Cape Breton, QMJHL) to Merrimack because Merrimack offered him money. Someone sent me a message with the amount which I can't post, but I will say that I don't blame him for taking it. I do wonder why Merrimack is doing this. They will still be at or near the bottom of HEA.
These new NIL rules are going to make it hard to justify many of these amounts.
Quote from: upprdeckThese new NIL rules are going to make it hard to justify many of these amounts.
Which rules? Because they change daily.
Watching the transition of college sports from the prior time-honored form of hypocrisy to the next is heart-warming. The green shoots of new corrupt life.
Academia truly is the world in microcosm. Apes shivving each other for sex and money, all the while blatting on about Core Values.
Quote from: TrotskyWatching the transition of college sports from the prior time-honored form of hypocrisy to the next is heart-warming. The green shoots of new corrupt life.
Academia truly is the world in microcosm. Apes shivving each other for sex and money, all the while blatting on about Core Values.
We love you Trotsky, never change! : )
Quote from: 617BigRedQuote from: TrotskyWatching the transition of college sports from the prior time-honored form of hypocrisy to the next is heart-warming. The green shoots of new corrupt life.
Academia truly is the world in microcosm. Apes shivving each other for sex and money, all the while blatting on about Core Values.
We love you Trotsky, never change! : )
I dunno, he used to be a lot more cynical ::rolleyes::
You know what they say: once you can fake authenticity you can fake anything (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wErVF7QwIY&ab_channel=OrlandoMurrinauthor).
Yale upgrading Ingalls.
https://yalebulldogs.com/news/2025/8/7/general-yale-athletics-unveils-3-million-upgrade-at-ingalls-rink.aspx?fbclid=IwY2xjawMB_S9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFob1BMU2NSZkxZTjg4enVrAR5vyNn6IoZPdSz0TwaL9j200rYnyXR07LNNoQ8TrSp_rsvMeKsN1lrQvaSpJA_aem_KS2k4Oym2FPSyuQ6sUmoew
Quote from: jts15Yale upgrading Ingalls.
https://yalebulldogs.com/news/2025/8/7/general-yale-athletics-unveils-3-million-upgrade-at-ingalls-rink.aspx?fbclid=IwY2xjawMB_S9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFob1BMU2NSZkxZTjg4enVrAR5vyNn6IoZPdSz0TwaL9j200rYnyXR07LNNoQ8TrSp_rsvMeKsN1lrQvaSpJA_aem_KS2k4Oym2FPSyuQ6sUmoew
With apologies to the Faithful:
"THE WHALE IS IN NEW HAVEN
THE WHALE IS IN NEW HAVEN"
I wonder when the tyranny of scoreboards and video will end. All hemlines change. There will come a day when this is all exposed as obscene and baroque and we go minimalism, or at least some type of nostalgic minimalist revival. (Yes, I know, likely equally cringe and rancid.)
You actually can have comfortable seats without the incessant idiocy of machine-generated noise and lights, at the same time. It is conceivable.
Quote from: TrotskyI wonder when the tyranny of scoreboards and video will end. All hemlines change. There will come a day when this is all exposed as obscene and baroque and we go minimalism, or at least some type of nostalgic minimalist revival. (Yes, I know, likely equally cringe and rancid.)
I'm holding out for a video display built into my cataract lens implant. Haven't decided which eye.
"Fan engagement content..." The Kiss Cam comes to Yale ::banana::
Quote from: TrotskyI wonder when the tyranny of scoreboards and video will end. All hemlines change. There will come a day when this is all exposed as obscene and baroque and we go minimalism, or at least some type of nostalgic minimalist revival. (Yes, I know, likely equally cringe and rancid.)
You actually can have comfortable seats without the incessant idiocy of machine-generated noise and lights, at the same time. It is conceivable.
I was recently in the Newark Train Station (tee up your jokes) and the video status board was made to resemble the old and now rare flip-flip boards, complete with simulated motion and click-clack sounds. It was branded as a Solari product, which is the company that made the old mechanical boards. But it was actually a giant video screen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRe9NtpNmk
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyI wonder when the tyranny of scoreboards and video will end. All hemlines change. There will come a day when this is all exposed as obscene and baroque and we go minimalism, or at least some type of nostalgic minimalist revival. (Yes, I know, likely equally cringe and rancid.)
You actually can have comfortable seats without the incessant idiocy of machine-generated noise and lights, at the same time. It is conceivable.
I was recently in the Newark Train Station (tee up your jokes) and the video status board was made to resemble the old and now rare flip-flip boards, complete with simulated motion and click-clack sounds. It was branded as a Solari product, which is the company that made the old mechanical boards. But it was actually a giant video screen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRe9NtpNmk
The one in New Jersey or the one in Delaware? :-}
Comfortable seats-good
Video boards-almost always bad.
I would love to see nice clear scoreboard and clock and no video board. And no fan engagement content. I'm plenty content and engaged to watch the game
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyI wonder when the tyranny of scoreboards and video will end. All hemlines change. There will come a day when this is all exposed as obscene and baroque and we go minimalism, or at least some type of nostalgic minimalist revival. (Yes, I know, likely equally cringe and rancid.)
You actually can have comfortable seats without the incessant idiocy of machine-generated noise and lights, at the same time. It is conceivable.
I was recently in the Newark Train Station (tee up your jokes) and the video status board was made to resemble the old and now rare flip-flip boards, complete with simulated motion and click-clack sounds. It was branded as a Solari product, which is the company that made the old mechanical boards. But it was actually a giant video screen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRe9NtpNmk
IINM the new Penn Station board is like this too, right?
I liked the old clicky-clack board in Frankfurt Airport. It made the time go by back in the days I didn't have lounge access.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I liked the old clicky-clack board in Frankfurt Airport. It made the time go by back in the days I didn't have lounge access.
Go to the old TWA Terminal at JFK they turned into a hotel. The board is glorious!
(https://www.easthamptonstar.com/sites/default/files/TWA%20main%3F_0.jpg)
Note: This is a serious recommendation for everyone in the NYC area, actually. Go there and get a drink in their Mad Men-like lounge. The aesthetics of the place are amazing -- you can see how cool public space used to be before The Great Stupefaction.
But don't stay the night; the rooms suck for the price.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I liked the old clicky-clack board in Frankfurt Airport. It made the time go by back in the days I didn't have lounge access.
Go to the old TWA Terminal at JFK they turned into a hotel. The board is glorious!
(https://www.easthamptonstar.com/sites/default/files/TWA%20main%3F_0.jpg)
Note: This is a serious recommendation for everyone in the NYC area, actually. Go there and get a drink in their Mad Men-like lounge. The aesthetics of the place are amazing -- you can see how cool public space used to be before The Great Stupefaction.
But don't stay the night; the rooms suck for the price.
It's JFK. Everything sucks.
Quote from: jts15Yale upgrading Ingalls.
https://yalebulldogs.com/news/2025/8/7/general-yale-athletics-unveils-3-million-upgrade-at-ingalls-rink.aspx?fbclid=IwY2xjawMB_S9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFob1BMU2NSZkxZTjg4enVrAR5vyNn6IoZPdSz0TwaL9j200rYnyXR07LNNoQ8TrSp_rsvMeKsN1lrQvaSpJA_aem_KS2k4Oym2FPSyuQ6sUmoew
Their sound system was terrible. This now means, though, that the piped-in music will be louder and played more often.
Too bad Cornell isn't doing anything about its useless video board in Lynah. They should just have it removed.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I liked the old clicky-clack board in Frankfurt Airport. It made the time go by back in the days I didn't have lounge access.
Go to the old TWA Terminal at JFK they turned into a hotel. The board is glorious!
(https://www.easthamptonstar.com/sites/default/files/TWA%20main%3F_0.jpg)
Note: This is a serious recommendation for everyone in the NYC area, actually. Go there and get a drink in their Mad Men-like lounge. The aesthetics of the place are amazing -- you can see how cool public space used to be before The Great Stupefaction.
But don't stay the night; the rooms suck for the price.
It's JFK. Everything sucks.
Not as much as if they named an airport after his nephew RFK, Jr.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/08/08_Allain-Steps-Down-After-19.php
This seems like really strange timing to me.
Quote from: Ben Rocky '04https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/08/08_Allain-Steps-Down-After-19.php
This seems like really strange timing to me.
Makes it seem like the Whale upgrade development came with the added question of "What have you done for us lately, coach?" The national championship is far enough in the past compared to no winning seasons since the return from COVID.
Quote from: WillMakes it seem like the Whale upgrade development came with the added question of "What have you done for us lately, coach?" The national championship is far enough in the past compared to no winning seasons since the return from COVID.
Maybe.... but y'all the time to ask that question was April, not now. The turmoil from having this happen right before freshman arrive on campus will have impact on this season, not that anyone thinks they were going to be good, but it seems oddly callous for any hope of improvement.
Quote from: Ben Rocky '04Quote from: WillMakes it seem like the Whale upgrade development came with the added question of "What have you done for us lately, coach?" The national championship is far enough in the past compared to no winning seasons since the return from COVID.
Maybe.... but y'all the time to ask that question was April, not now. The turmoil from having this happen right before freshman arrive on campus will have impact on this season, not that anyone thinks they were going to be good, but it seems oddly callous for any hope of improvement.
Also could've been a recent health development for Allain personally on top of everything else. Maybe dealing with the grief of a rink upgrade while trying to fix a team that's been down for four years is too much when he's also just been given a bad medical prognosis. Complete conjecture on my part, of course.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: jts15Yale upgrading Ingalls.
https://yalebulldogs.com/news/2025/8/7/general-yale-athletics-unveils-3-million-upgrade-at-ingalls-rink.aspx?fbclid=IwY2xjawMB_S9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFob1BMU2NSZkxZTjg4enVrAR5vyNn6IoZPdSz0TwaL9j200rYnyXR07LNNoQ8TrSp_rsvMeKsN1lrQvaSpJA_aem_KS2k4Oym2FPSyuQ6sUmoew
Their sound system was terrible. This now means, though, that the piped-in music will be louder and played more often.
Too bad Cornell isn't doing anything about its useless video board in Lynah. They should just have it removed.
But howwwwwww will we watch the Tompkins Trust Shuffle without a video board that barely shows the score, let alone any important replays of what's going on on the ice???
Quote from: WillQuote from: Ben Rocky '04https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2025/08/08_Allain-Steps-Down-After-19.php
This seems like really strange timing to me.
Makes it seem like the Whale upgrade development came with the added question of "What have you done for us lately, coach?" The national championship is far enough in the past compared to no winning seasons since the return from COVID.
He might have been tired of the year long grind like Mike.
There must be some inside Yale source we can tap to find out what really happened. I don't know why those in the know in New Haven didn't spill the tea here.
What can we do to encourage more inside gossip? We could lose our cred.
::cry::
I just assumed the timing was late enough to trap guys who could not plausibly transfer out this year. But I have worms in my soul.
Joe Howe is the assistant coach that will take the reins as interim.
Speaking of the name, it's crazy to me that Howe seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth after leaving Cornell. He was contending for our starting job as a freshman, surprised no other team thought he was worth taking.
Quote from: chimpfoodSpeaking of the name, it's crazy to me that Howe seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth after leaving Cornell. He was contending for our starting job as a freshman, surprised no other team thought he was worth taking.
If a profile I found on LinkedIn is to be believed, he's still at Cornell, ILR '26. Maybe not getting the starting spot made him decide to move on from hockey and get going on the rest of his life.
"Our Howe's better" (clap) (clap) (clap clap clap)
FWIW, RPI has a new logo https://www.alumni.rpi.edu/controls/email_marketing/view_in_browser.aspx?sid=1225&gid=1&sendId=6197984 . I thought it was terrible until it was pointed out that it reads RPI, not Rensselaer, which is a distinct improvement.
Quote from: ursusminorFWIW, RPI has a new logo https://www.alumni.rpi.edu/controls/email_marketing/view_in_browser.aspx?sid=1225&gid=1&sendId=6197984 . I thought it was terrible until it was pointed out that it reads RPI, not Rensselaer, which is a distinct improvement.
It's still better than Cornell's non-descript new logo.
If anyone has over an hour to spend, a lengthy interview with RPI's coach Eric Lang. https://www.rpifieldhouse.com/p/interview-with-coach-lang?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=417313&post_id=170946524
New incoming player Matthew Jovanovic, a former Notre Dame recruit on D who has suffered through several injury-riddled seasons. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/535867/matthew-jovanovic Appears to be great if he has recovered to the degree that Lang states. Being a pessimist, I see the second coming of Kurt Wiesel, brother of Clarkson's Adam.
Now if the RPI women could get Matthew's sister, Sophie, who played goalie for the Toronto Marlboro's 16U boys team last season and had a 1.71 GAA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdoncWmcTIM
Union's Harbor Front Arena - M & T Bank Center rink unveiled. (https://youtu.be/g8TI9iLuoHU?si=wILR9X_OxWvWy0Oe)
Looks like Bright. Cut down the scoreboard, let Poors in the luxury boxes for free, and they have something.
Quote from: TrotskyLooks like Bright. Cut down the scoreboard, let Poors in the luxury boxes for free, and they have something.
They did cut down the scoreboard from Messa and then moved it to the this gambling casino side-show - though that's not what you meant.
Besides, how are the Union students to know when to cheer without it?