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Title: 2025 Predictions
Post by: Trotsky on September 28, 2024, 05:31:25 PM
TBRW (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Predictions.html)

As always the way this works is, I put this out, you find the math errors, I fix it.  Thank you.
           
1. Quinnipiac
 2. [color=#d61616]Cornell[/color]
 3. Colgate
 4. Dartmouth
 5. Clarkson
 6. Harvard
 7. Union
 8. Yale
 9. St. Lawrence
10. Princeton
11. RPI
12. Brown
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: dbilmes on September 28, 2024, 07:38:51 PM
In the comparison of the coaches' poll and TBRW, are the higher numbers better?
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: Trotsky on September 28, 2024, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: dbilmesIn the comparison of the coaches' poll and TBRW, are the higher numbers better?
Lower is better, hence the stars.
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: chimpfood on September 30, 2024, 11:09:15 PM
I'll throw a guess out there

1. Quinnipiac
2. Cornell
3. Harvard
4. Colgate
5. Clarkson
6. Princeton
7. Dartmouth
8. Yale
9. Union
10. Saint lawrence
11. Brown
12. RPI
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: BearLover on October 02, 2024, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: TrotskyTBRW (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Predictions.html)

As always the way this works is, I put this out, you find the math errors, I fix it.  Thank you.
           
1. Quinnipiac
 2. [color=#d61616]Cornell[/color]
 3. Colgate
 4. Dartmouth
 5. Clarkson
 6. Harvard
 7. Union
 8. Yale
 9. St. Lawrence
10. Princeton
11. RPI
12. Brown
I'm confused by this part:

"Secondly, we want to make the same two estimates for the incoming players: their quality and quantity.
Avg10 above, carried down.
Fut, the relative estimate of incoming strength, equals Avg10 / 2."

You say that the "future" metric considers "quantity" of incoming players, but as far as I can tell, you're just dividing average past program success by 2, regardless of whether the incoming class has 3 players or 15 players. Seems to me the "future" metric is just another measurement of the past?
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: ursusminor on October 02, 2024, 01:49:18 PM
RPI grad Stephen Zenack's model's prediction and his own with lengthy discussion. Also first, second, and third team, rookie team, etc.

https://thefieldhouse.substack.com/p/ecac-preview-2024-25 

His model picks Cornell #2, and he picks Cornell #1. The latter must be why he asked me to post this here. :)

I won't list who from Cornell is listed for the various honors. They are at the end.
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: BearLover on October 02, 2024, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: ursusminorRPI grad Stephen Sezenack's model's prediction and his own with lengthy discussion. Also first, second, and third team, rookie team, etc.

https://thefieldhouse.substack.com/p/ecac-preview-2024-25 

His model picks Cornell #2, and he picks Cornell #1. The latter must be why he asked me to post this here. :)

I won't list who from Cornell is listed for the various honors. They are at the end.
I am only one and a half teams into this, but I can already confidently say that this is the best and most in-depth college hockey season preview I have ever read. When you build a thoughtful model AND do your homework (and are aware of the limitations of your model), this is what you get.
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: BearLover on October 02, 2024, 02:47:43 PM
Anyway, I was about to throw out my prediction. I see now that the above-mentioned blog came to similar conclusions. The below gaps are meant to indicate a drop-off between 2/3 and 7/8.

1. Cornell
2. Quinnipiac

3. Harvard
4. Dartmouth
5. Union
6. Colgate
7. Clarkson

8. Princeton
9. RPI
10. Brown
11. St. Lawrence
12. Yale
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: ugarte on October 02, 2024, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: ursusminorRPI grad Stephen Sezenack's model's prediction and his own with lengthy discussion. Also first, second, and third team, rookie team, etc.

https://thefieldhouse.substack.com/p/ecac-preview-2024-25 

His model picks Cornell #2, and he picks Cornell #1. The latter must be why he asked me to post this here. :)

I won't list who from Cornell is listed for the various honors. They are at the end.
I am only one and a half teams into this, but I can already confidently say that this is the best and most in-depth college hockey season preview I have ever read. When you build a thoughtful model AND do your homework (and are aware of the limitations of your model), this is what you get.
Exactly what I thought when I saw "the model says Q but I say Cornell."
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: Trotsky on October 03, 2024, 08:31:35 PM
Quote from: BearLoverAnyway, I was about to throw out my prediction. I see now that the above-mentioned blog came to similar conclusions. The below gaps are meant to indicate a drop-off between 2/3 and 7/8.

1. Cornell
2. Quinnipiac

3. Harvard
4. Dartmouth
5. Union
6. Colgate
7. Clarkson

8. Princeton
9. RPI
10. Brown
11. St. Lawrence
12. Yale

Yeah I think those groupings are nigh-on inarguable.  I could maybe see Union drop or Princeton rise.
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: chimpfood on October 08, 2024, 02:38:25 PM
CHN with some very interesting notes and predictions. https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/10/07_ECAC-Team-Preview-Capsules.php
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: arugula on October 08, 2024, 09:00:16 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid, he refers to the sacred seven.  What is this?
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: Al DeFlorio on October 09, 2024, 07:02:21 AM
Quote from: arugulaAt the risk of sounding stupid, he refers to the sacred seven.  What is this?
6 defensemen and goalie?
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: RichH on October 09, 2024, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: arugulaAt the risk of sounding stupid, he refers to the sacred seven.  What is this?
6 defensemen and goalie?

That's how I took it.
Title: Re: 2025 Predictions
Post by: BearLover on October 13, 2024, 11:39:41 AM
BU transfer Jeremy Wilmer had 2 of Quinnipaic's 3 goals last night vs Penn State. It's funny that (at least from what I can remember) Wilmer was left off all of the preseason predictions for ECAC first team/second team. I guess people forgot about him because he was transferring from another conference. But a point-per-game player at BU should easily slot in as one of the best players in the ECAC. Anyway, another example of Quinnipiac immediately reloading with transfers.