Time for a new recruit thread. 1st recruit of the new Schafer-Jones era (https://x.com/puckpreps/status/1819520206110118077?s=61&t=WQHyg6syxD67IvejNS7Rmw), Jack Broderick from Rye, New York. Will play prep hockey at the Kent School this year, and was drafted by Tri-City of the USHL.
Quote from: scoop85Time for a new recruit thread. 1st recruit of the new Schafer-Jones era (https://x.com/puckpreps/status/1819520206110118077?s=61&t=WQHyg6syxD67IvejNS7Rmw), Jack Broderick from Rye, New York.
Mandatory:
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According to Chris Heisenberg, RD Luca Diplacido of St. Andrews College to Cornell in 2027 or 2028.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/897530/luca-diplacido
Quote from: ursusminorAccording to Chris Heisenberg, RD Luca Diplacido of St. Andrews College to Cornell in 2027 or 2028.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/897530/luca-diplacido
6'1 and 187lbs...and he's not even turned 16 yet.
Sam Peckham
@sampeckham4
6m
I am honored to announce my commitment to further my education and play Division 1 hockey at Cornell University. I would like to thank God, my family, friends, coaches, advisor, and everyone else who has helped me along the way. #BigRed
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/855975/samuel-peckham
Quote from: Ken711Sam Peckham
@sampeckham4
6m
I am honored to announce my commitment to further my education and play Division 1 hockey at Cornell University. I would like to thank God, my family, friends, coaches, advisor, and everyone else who has helped me along the way. #BigRed
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/855975/samuel-peckham
Nice to see. We haven't had many MN HS recruits recently.
Real change coming. Probably a good time to be a well-known brand in Canada. https://x.com/walsha/status/1834594111904796862
Quote from: ugarteReal change coming. Probably a good time to be a well-known brand in Canada. https://x.com/walsha/status/1834594111904796862
Well, Casey speaks French. Maybe we can get some players from the QMJHL.
The wonderfully named Maddex Marmulak has left the BCHL and signed with a team in the Quebec Maritime Major Junior League. While players from the Canadian Major Juniors may be able to play NCAA hockey soon, Heisenberg has deleted Marmulak from our list of recruits; it seems unlikely he'll be Ithaca bound.
Henri Ament LW from Shattuck St. Mary's according to Chris Heisenberg.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/577142/henri-ament
Quote from: ursusminorHenri Ament LW from Shattuck St. Mary's
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/577142/henri-ament
Oh my God, the ghost of Bob Norton is impressed.
Quote from: ursusminorAccording to Chris Heisenberg, RD Luca Diplacido of St. Andrews College to Cornell in 2027 or 2028.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/897530/luca-diplacido
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/20/a7/df/20a7df2ede8949e3fc0fe5aadd5718ff.jpg)
Current (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html) AFAIK. Some (Wishart? Pirtle?) may no longer be in the pipeline.
Quote from: TrotskyCurrent (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html) AFAIK. Some (Wishart? Pirtle?) may no longer be in the pipeline.
I believe Wishart's no longer coming but Pirtle should be
Quote from: TrotskyCurrent (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html) AFAIK. Some (Wishart? Pirtle?) may no longer be in the pipeline.
Chris Heisenberg keeps a list that you can reference.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1USsyO-hgQhC4JD5HGGUDkgm_1qUeEWbhB-EyceEwTSI/edit?gid=1310221579#gid=1310221579
Quote from: scoop85The wonderfully named Maddex Marmulak has left the BCHL and signed with a team in the Quebec Maritime Major Junior League. While players from the Canadian Major Juniors may be able to play NCAA hockey soon, Heisenberg has deleted Marmulak from our list of recruits; it seems unlikely he'll be Ithaca bound.
Well, Marmulak may still be Ithaca bound:
https://x.com/ivanivanlvan/status/1844198357243429048?s=61&t=WQHyg6syxD67IvejNS7Rmw
That was... confusing.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: scoop85The wonderfully named Maddex Marmulak has left the BCHL and signed with a team in the Quebec Maritime Major Junior League. While players from the Canadian Major Juniors may be able to play NCAA hockey soon, Heisenberg has deleted Marmulak from our list of recruits; it seems unlikely he'll be Ithaca bound.
Well, Marmulak may still be Ithaca bound:
https://x.com/ivanivanlvan/status/1844198357243429048?s=61&t=WQHyg6syxD67IvejNS7Rmw
I sent a message to Chris Heisenberg about this, and he changed his listing. He also pointed out that when the rules were different, Clint Campbell played 2 years at Cornell after being in the QMJHL. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=20180
I am curious what the Cornell coaching staff told Marmulak. They must have a strong belief that CHL players will soon be NCAA-eligible. But the coaches can't know that for certain until it actually happens. Whether the idea to switch teams came from Marmulak (likely) or the Cornell coaches (unlikely), both parties had to accept some amount of risk that he would lose his spot at Cornell.
why would he lose a spot at cornell? Its not like they have scholie limits to deal with.
Quote from: upprdeckwhy would he lose a spot at cornell? Its not like they have scholie limits to deal with.
He would lose a spot if the CHL players aren't in fact permitted to play NCAA hockey.
Quote from: upprdeckwhy would he lose a spot at cornell? Its not like they have scholie limits to deal with.
until CHL players are eligible to play in the NCAA, he's not eligible if he goes that route
https://x.com/BCHLGrizzlies/status/1845906642698670288
Reegan Hiscock, former Northeastern recruit
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/643196/reegan-hiscock
https://bchl.ca/stats/player/7787/62/reegan-hiscock
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://x.com/BCHLGrizzlies/status/1845906642698670288
Reegan Hiscock, former Northeastern recruit
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/643196/reegan-hiscock
https://bchl.ca/stats/player/7787/62/reegan-hiscock
Opposing fans may get creative with that name
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://x.com/BCHLGrizzlies/status/1845906642698670288
Reegan Hiscock, former Northeastern recruit
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/643196/reegan-hiscock
https://bchl.ca/stats/player/7787/62/reegan-hiscock
He is:
- Tallest prospect at 6' 5"
- Second-oldest prospect after Wishart
- Teammate of Pirtle at Victoria Grizzlies
- A Newfie!
Wishart is currently a freshman at Middlebury College.
Quote from: CASWishart is currently a freshman at Middlebury College.
Well then he'll have a year of NC$$ experience.
Cole Tuminaro is listed as a potential 6th- or 7th-round draft pick on the NHL Central Scouting "Players to Watch" preliminary rankings. No other Cornell recruits made the list. We could be looking at the second year in a row of zero Cornell players/recruits drafted. I believe it's been awhile since that has happened.
Recruiting looks solid enough; we have some players coming who are older and/or putting up strong numbers in junior hockey. But while we do continue to get a bunch of "good" recruits, we remain largely noncompetitive for the elite ones. Last year's amazing freshman class with five draft picks was an aberration, not the norm.
I'll try to do a write-up of our recruits once the junior season gets further along unless scoop85 beats me to it.
NIL
Quote from: upprdeckNIL
No
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: upprdeckNIL
No
To expand on this:
1. Most of our recruits committed years ago, before NIL existed
2. Half of our recruits are outside the US, so not eligible for NIL
3. We have seen zero decommits the past two years, so nobody is leaving for Michigan or another program who theoretically could offer NIL
4. I haven't seen signs NIL is a significant presence in hockey. News coverage about NIL has made it sound like it is almost entirely concentrated in football, basketball, and a few other athletes with huge social media followings
Therefore I would assume NIL has had practically zero impact on what I described above.
Yes, Canadian kids can get NIL.
Its called NIL now.. It was called "under the table before"
Quote from: upprdeckYes, Canadian kids can get NIL.
Can they? From US based sources? I don't think so. I thought not, because of US labor and immigration law and the conditions of their visas rather than the NIL rules themselves.
Canadian college athletes can't benefit directly from NIL: (https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/article/why-canadians-arent-seeing-fair-share-of-profits-in-wild-west-of-ncaa-athletics/)
However, one group has been left out of the process entirely: international students.
Despite making up nearly 12.8 per cent of all Division 1 NCAA athletes and 14 per cent of basketball players, foreign student-athletes are mostly unable to profit from NIL. That includes Canadians, who represent far and away the most NCAA athletes from any country outside the United States.
"With NIL deals in America, I'm on a student visa," reigning Naismith Men's College Player of the Year, Toronto's Zach Edey, told Sportsnet.ca. "So, I'm not really allowed to do a lot of those deals over there: I can't film a commercial or do anything. Only thing I can really get is my jersey sales when I'm in America."
That's because nearly all international student-athletes are on F-1 (student) visas, which do not allow them to engage in employment outside of "on-campus" work or other specific programs geared toward career development such as an internship. They are unable to participate in "active" engagements while on American soil, including most of the traditional influencer-based NIL activations such as posting on social media or filming a commercial. Foreign student-athletes are allowed to profit off "passive" engagements, such as jersey sales or EA Sports video game licencing in America, but these tend to be a very small percentage of NIL profits for most athletes.
This means that as international athletes continue to bring hundreds of millions of dollars into their universities through sports, they are seeing a tiny percentage of the profit — and an unequal share compared to their American counterparts.
yes. They can't do deals with things while in the US. They can do deals with stuff in their own country though.
So say Cornell had an Alum from Canada who is doing well and wanted to do some NIL thing in Toronto.
Thats what bball and other sports are doing for NIL.
Requires some more effort though to arrange.. But really how much NIL money is floating around the CU campus?
So they decided to allow the CHL kids to play going into next yr
Not sure if those kids would be in our scope or not.
Quote from: upprdeckSo they decided to allow the CHL kids to play going into next yr
Not sure if those kids would be in our scope or not.
Considering we had one commit before the decision I would say yes.
Quote from: upprdeckSo they decided to allow the CHL kids to play going into next yr
Not sure if those kids would be in our scope or not.
Clarkson got a commitment from an OHL goalie. https://thehockeynews.com/ncaa/latest-news/jackson-parsons-commits-to-clarkson
CHN Podcast thinks the CHL decision is bad for factory programs since the talent pool will be too large for them to monopolize.
Fun fact: of the 30 schools on the panel that made the ruling, only 2 have any hockey program at all.
Quote from: TrotskyCHN Podcast thinks the CHL decision is bad for factory programs since the talent pool will be too large for them to monopolize.
Fun fact: of the 30 schools on the panel that made the ruling, only 2 have any hockey program at all.
It will be relatively bad for the best teams because the best players will be recruited at 16, not 19-20 after a career in the CHL. But will it benefit Cornell? It remains to be seen how many of these kids can/want to go to Ivy League schools.
Quote from: BearLoverBut will it benefit Cornell? It remains to be seen how many of these kids can/want to go to Ivy League schools.
In my experience following the CHL for 7 years: virtually none will have the grades or the inclination.
Thank god for the Hotel school.
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Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyCHN Podcast thinks the CHL decision is bad for factory programs since the talent pool will be too large for them to monopolize.
Fun fact: of the 30 schools on the panel that made the ruling, only 2 have any hockey program at all.
It will be relatively bad for the best teams because the best players will be recruited at 16, not 19-20 after a career in the CHL. But will it benefit Cornell? It remains to be seen how many of these kids can/want to go to Ivy League schools.
I don't follow the 16yo vs 19-20 angle
The absolute studs coming out of high school are not waiting until they are 20 to commit to a NCAA school. Id think the same would apply to high end talent that might go CHL (or already in it if you can be at 16)
Aren't the Michigans, BC, BU, Minnesota, Denvers of the world already getting the best young? What changes here?
I must be missing something.
Topher Scott
@HockeyThinkTank
Alright, honest thoughts on the new CHL ruling allowing major junior players to play college hockey starting next year:
1. It's going to make college and pro hockey better. The talent pool for college just went through the roof and now drafted kids that aren't ready for pro at 20 have a bigger runway for their development. The product on the ice at the highest levels just became way better.
2. College hockey will potentially be much more Canadian moving forward - so it's up to the current USA Junior leagues that feed to college to up their game. I think there are a lot of teams that do a great job of development. There are also teams with challenges, especially when it comes to who owns the teams. There is much more competition in the market now fighting for top end players, and hopefully the USHL and others can take that with some competitive fire and make their product even better.
3. Adapt or die for college teams. College hockey is so significantly different today then before. Transfer rules, NIL, major junior, etc... There are some changes I like, some I don't. But ultimately at the end of the day the rules are what the rules are and if you just complain about it and don't change you'll get left behind. Colleges are going to have to fundraise more. They're going to have to gain new relationships in the youth/junior/pro world. They're going to have to continue to battle the transfer portal. That's the new reality.
Now, all that being said, I think the teams that do it best provide a great environment for their players where they feel like they're taken care of and they feel like they're being developed. The best coaches don't placate to kids or "don't coach them for fear they will transfer". They're authentic, do things the right way, challenge kids to be better, and create a great culture. Are the conditions more difficult with the transfer portal? Absolutely. But the best have an authentic culture and don't get wrapped up in the things they can't control.
4. I feel sad for a lot of kids that are going to be decommitted this year and kids on college rosters that will be told they don't have a place on their roster next year. That's the worst part and an unfortunate byproduct from this ruling. Hopefully this doesn't happen too much, but it will. Colleges will take the best players that will help their team win. And with so many new players added to the player pool, spots are going to be taken.
5. Relationships with NHL GM's and front offices just got A LOT more important for college coaches. Not that those weren't important before - but this ruling puts it on steriods. There are a lot of high round NHL draft picks that are not ready to play pro at 20-21 years old and they'll need a place to marinate. And where are these kids going to play? They're going to play where their NHL team feels like it's a best fit for their development. If you are a college coach that can clearly define your development plan and principles and NHL teams trust you - that's a huge win on the recruiting front of the highest level players.
Get ready for a whole new landscape.
https://x.com/HockeyThinkTank/status/1854962655338930676
Quote from: jts15Topher Scott
@HockeyThinkTank
Alright, honest thoughts on the new CHL ruling allowing major junior players to play college hockey starting next year:
5. Relationships with NHL GM's and front offices just got A LOT more important for college coaches. Not that those weren't important before - but this ruling puts it on steriods. There are a lot of high round NHL draft picks that are not ready to play pro at 20-21 years old and they'll need a place to marinate. And where are these kids going to play? They're going to play where their NHL team feels like it's a best fit for their development. If you are a college coach that can clearly define your development plan and principles and NHL teams trust you - that's a huge win on the recruiting front of the highest level players.
Get ready for a whole new landscape.
https://x.com/HockeyThinkTank/status/1854962655338930676
Would NHL teams still have rights to these players by the time they are age 20/21? Anybody know the rule for how long NHL teams retain rights to drafted players in the CHL?
Anyway, 0% chance any of these players ever come to Cornell. Ivies aren't going to accept rental players who are going to college for a year or two to "marinate." So that's one big downside of this new rule.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyCHN Podcast thinks the CHL decision is bad for factory programs since the talent pool will be too large for them to monopolize.
Fun fact: of the 30 schools on the panel that made the ruling, only 2 have any hockey program at all.
It will be relatively bad for the best teams because the best players will be recruited at 16, not 19-20 after a career in the CHL. But will it benefit Cornell? It remains to be seen how many of these kids can/want to go to Ivy League schools.
I don't follow the 16yo vs 19-20 angle
The absolute studs coming out of high school are not waiting until they are 20 to commit to a NCAA school. Id think the same would apply to high end talent that might go CHL (or already in it if you can be at 16)
Aren't the Michigans, BC, BU, Minnesota, Denvers of the world already getting the best young? What changes here?
I must be missing something.
Those teams will still get the best young players. But now the pool of older players is much bigger and deeper for all the other teams who rely on recruiting older less heralded players. So comparatively the BCs of the world have less of an advantage.
Quote from: BearLoverAnyway, 0% chance any of these players ever come to Cornell. Ivies aren't going to accept rental players who are going to college for a year or two to "marinate." So that's one big downside of this new rule.
Brother, you need better antidepressants.
I'll continue to say I'd take the "right" 23 year old nonprospect over the "wrong" 19 year old draft pick.
Gabriel Seger might be the best Cornell player I've seen, recency bias or not.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyCHN Podcast thinks the CHL decision is bad for factory programs since the talent pool will be too large for them to monopolize.
Fun fact: of the 30 schools on the panel that made the ruling, only 2 have any hockey program at all.
It will be relatively bad for the best teams because the best players will be recruited at 16, not 19-20 after a career in the CHL. But will it benefit Cornell? It remains to be seen how many of these kids can/want to go to Ivy League schools.
I don't follow the 16yo vs 19-20 angle
The absolute studs coming out of high school are not waiting until they are 20 to commit to a NCAA school. Id think the same would apply to high end talent that might go CHL (or already in it if you can be at 16)
Aren't the Michigans, BC, BU, Minnesota, Denvers of the world already getting the best young? What changes here?
I must be missing something.
Those teams will still get the best young players. But now the pool of older players is much bigger and deeper for all the other teams who rely on recruiting older less heralded players. So comparatively the BCs of the world have less of an advantage.
Fair enough. But doesn't it also increase size and talent level in the pool of stud 16 year olds?
The top 100 kids not yet committed to an NCAA school will now be significantly more talented than before. This is over simplified, but if the top 100 worked out to be the top 50 American high school kids and the top 50 chl eligible 16 year olds in canada, then the 100th ranked kid today has the talent of the 50th ranked one in the past.
If Michigan lands 4 kids in the top 100, they'll be even higher end talent than before.
Also, they could well get more high end commits than before. Idk the exact numbers, but let's say that the potential recruit pool has now doubled in total. But the number of NCAA teams is the same. Today there are plenty of recruiting battles at all levels, but I'm sure that the BCs and Michigans etc are battling over those top recruits all the time, and while winning some, they also lose out to the other schools too.
So if the high end pool is now bigger, but the number of roster spots in D1 hasn't, id think that those schools would actually land more studs per year. Why? If you're that good, you're not all of a sudden going to choose a program a step down. You're still going to the factory school.
If this was bball and a similar thing happened, don't you think duke is going to get even more studs than before?
I saw a comment on the web somewhere the other day about college football. The guy was a bit incredulous when talking about sec football. Something to the effect of "every guy good enough to go to Auburn thinks they're gonna be the man...Even the dude who's 5th on the depth chart who will probably never see the field. You'd think they'd go somewhere that's still a tremendous winning D1 program,where they'd start probably even start. But if you're good enough to sign there, all those guys egos say that they are going to be the one thats at the top of the depth chart; they've never known anything different"
Recruit Gio DiGiullian, after a hat trick on Saturday, is currently tied for most goals this season in the USHL.
Xavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL. Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26. Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.
Quote from: randyrangerXavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL. Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26. Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.
Stealing a guy from Harvard? His name begins and ends with x like a gamer tag? Drafted, so he comes pre-approved by people who hyperventilate about how many of our recruits are drafted? Already a winner.
Named to the 1st-team all-USHL rookie team last season. Can't wait to see him on Lynah ice.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: randyrangerXavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL. Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26. Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.
Stealing a guy from Harvard? His name begins and ends with x like a gamer tag? Drafted, so he comes pre-approved by people who hyperventilate about how many of our recruits are drafted? Already a winner.
Yep, a certain someone is having multiples over this
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: randyrangerXavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL. Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26. Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.
Stealing a guy from Harvard? His name begins and ends with x like a gamer tag? Drafted, so he comes pre-approved by people who hyperventilate about how many of our recruits are drafted? Already a winner.
Yep, a certain someone is having multiples over this
osorojo
Quote from: CASNamed to the 1st-team all-USHL rookie team last season. Can't wait to see him on Lynah ice.
Holy shit. This is really good news. ::banana::
Birthplace: L'Ancienne-Lorette, Quebec.
Casey Jones: Temiscaming, Quebec.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: randyrangerXavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL. Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26. Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.
Nuts! Our local USHL team has already played Muskegon several times this season and won't see them again. He'd be fun to check out.
Initials are XV. Be cool if Catalano gave him number 15 to wear.
I'm not sure this is Cornell directly poaching a Harvard recruit, more like he decommitted from Harvard a little while ago and must have valued education to some degree, plus Casey's Quebec ties may have played a role, so he later decided to commit to Cornell. With that said, this is definitely a bullish indicator because just about every program in the country would have been interested in this guy. While Cornell does end up with some drafted/heralded players, it's always because they commit early before they've received much hype. In this case, we have an already-drafted player putting up great numbers in the USHL who decided on Cornell when he could have likely picked among elite hockey programs.
This is also probably a sign there isn't much/any NIL in college hockey right now.
Quote from: CASRecruit Gio DiGiullian, after a hat trick on Saturday, is currently tied for most goals this season in the USHL.
And I missed my last chance of the season to see him, too.
Quote from: BearLoverWhile Cornell does end up with some drafted/heralded players, it's always because they commit early before they've received much hype.
Let's say "usually." Alex Green was already a highly regarded 4th round draft pick when he committed. Joakim Ryan and Brian Ferlin were both hyped as incoming players. Riley Nash was practically an "I'm taking my talents to Ithaca" press conference.
I won't mention Sasha. Poor Sasha...
Quote from: TimVInitials are XV. Be cool if Catalano gave him number 15 to wear.
That would be great. He's a simple 5 at Muskegon. Go full Roman.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhile Cornell does end up with some drafted/heralded players, it's always because they commit early before they've received much hype.
Let's say "usually." Alex Green was already a highly regarded 4th round draft pick when he committed. Joakim Ryan and Brian Ferlin were both hyped as incoming players. Riley Nash was practically an "I'm taking my talents to Ithaca" press conference.
I won't mention Sasha. Poor Sasha...
Green was drafted by Tampa after his Freshman season.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhile Cornell does end up with some drafted/heralded players, it's always because they commit early before they've received much hype.
Let's say "usually." Alex Green was already a highly regarded 4th round draft pick when he committed. Joakim Ryan and Brian Ferlin were both hyped as incoming players. Riley Nash was practically an "I'm taking my talents to Ithaca" press conference.
I won't mention Sasha. Poor Sasha...
I think you have these backwards. Green and Ryan were drafted after their freshman seasons. I'd have to go back to see when Ferline was drafted, but I suspect it was well after he committed to Cornell. Nash committed because his older brother was coming. So I don't believe any of these are cases of players with hype before they committed (except perhaps Nash, but that was a special case because of his brother).
I said they were hyped coming in.
I may be wrong about Green's draft year though.
Quote from: TrotskyI said they were hyped coming in.
I may be wrong about Green's draft year though.
Veilleux is unique because he was already drafted when he committed, that's my point.
If I'm going to have a fight on Thanksgiving that I don't understand I'll stick to my family.
Luke McCrady -6'3" Defense
https://edgemountaineers.com/news/2024/11/29/mens-hockey-luke-whos-moving-on-mccrady-commits-to-cornell-university.aspx
https://www.eliteprospects.com/transfer/2024/11/27/luke-mccrady-in-a-confirmed-transaction-to-cornell-univ./580165
According to Heisenberg: Cole Emerton
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/942117/cole-emerton
https://www.ojhl.ca/stats/player/5157/26/cole-emerton
Michael Dec is joining Owen Sound of the OHL after the New Year as an "affiliate" player for the remainder of the 2024-25 season; as an affiliate player he's limited to 10 games this season, but will be a full-time player in 25-26. He's still on track to arrive in Ithaca in the Fall of 2026.
https://windsornewstoday.ca/midwestern/sports/2024/12/26/attack-sign-michael-dec-to-new-agreement This article says 27-28 but maybe that's just his team being hopeful that he stays until he ages out.
Quote from: scoop85Michael Dec is joining Owen Sound of the OHL after the New Year as an "affiliate" player for the remainder of the 2024-25 season; as an affiliate player he's limited to 10 games this season, but will be a full-time player in 25-26. He's still on track to arrive in Ithaca in the Fall of 2026.
Apparently he can play more than 10 under Ontario Hockey Association regulation 23.1:
QuoteAll affiliate players (16 year-olds and older) are permitted to play 10 games as an affiliate player. Once their registered lower category team is eliminated from regular competition including playoffs, Affiliate players can play an unlimited number of games at the higher level only if they have played a minimum of 10 games with their registered lower category team. Players not meeting this requirement will be limited to 10 games only with the higher category as an affiliate.
Christ I feel like Jory Jordan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuGP-XylOwM&ab_channel=TheHumanForm).
Caton Ryan, a center with the Penticon Vees of the BCHL, has committed to Cornell. He was placed on the NHL Central Scouting preliminary players to watch list last year, & is a Clarkson decommit.
Also decommitted from colgate previously, wouldn't count on him until he's in the building at this rate.
His prior commitments were to schools where the coaches had left (including Casey to Cornell).
Quote from: chimpfoodAlso decommitted from colgate previously, wouldn't count on him until he's in the building at this rate.
He's run out of ECAC C's.
Quote from: CASCaton Ryan, a center with the Penticon Vees of the BCHL, has committed to Cornell. He was placed on the NHL Central Scouting preliminary players to watch list last year, & is a Clarkson decommit.
From hockey hotbed San Francisco (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/716342/caton-ryan).
Quote from: CASWishart is currently a freshman at Middlebury College.
He's not on their roster and Elite Prospects has him playing for the St. Cloud Norsemen in the NAHL.
Interesting re Wishart. He was listed as part of Middlebury's '28 hockey class. The Penticton Vees list Caton Ryan's hometown as Kanata, ON.
Michael Dec with 1 goal & 1 assist in his OHL debut tonight with Owen Sound!
Another Casey Jones Quebec recruit, left winger who recently joined Basie-Comeau Drakkar of the QMJHL:
https://x.com/PuckPreps/status/1889025178820080081?mx=2
Quote from: scoop85Another Casey Jones Quebec recruit, left winger who recently joined Basie-Comeau Drakkar of the QMJHL:
https://x.com/PuckPreps/status/1889025178820080081?mx=2
He was there as an AP for 2 games in January, and he's back at Charles-Lemoyne. I add that Neutral Zone rates him as 4.0 *'s as opposed to the 3.5 from the x-tweet you posted.
FWIW, RPI recruit Ryan Dwyer of Stanstead was an AP in Baie-Comeau last weekend. He played against his father's team. https://x.com/ABTitan/status/1887647289134485522
Casey is attracting some impressive talent to Cornell. He appears to be an excellent recruiter.
I add that the most recent post (dated 7/31/24) on Neutral Zone which mentions Kirkwood is free. https://neutralzone.com/2024/07/31/ncaa-prospects-august-1-watchlist/
QuoteAiden Kirkwood, F, Charles Lemoyne, 4.0 Star Prospect, Unsigned in QMJHL, Sport Prospects
Kirkwood was our #37 ranked QMJHL Draft prospect but fell to 77th in the QMJHL Draft because of doubts he'd report to camp. He's a responsible, mature, two-way forward with balanced edges and a knack for getting pucks to the net. He had 23 points in 40 games this season against older competition at Charles Lemoyne in the Quebec Midget AAA U18 league and finished the QMJHL Cup with 3 goals in 4 games. His style of play fits the college game and with Baie Comeau in his backyard, NCAA schools might move quicker than they would normally to give themselves a better chance.
Note that this was before the NCAA allowed colleges to recruit players with Major Junior experience.
Quote from: CASCasey is attracting some impressive talent to Cornell. He appears to be an excellent recruiter.
That has been evident for approximately 30 years.
What are the indicators that Casey is recruiting well? I'm not denying it, I'm just wondering where that notion is coming from. Since Casey was announced as Schafer's successor, twelve players have committed (which is a lot). They're mostly quite young and none of them are really putting up eye-popping numbers. The big get was poaching Veilleux from Harvard, but the other recruits seem kind of up in the air to me.
Quote from: BearLoverWhat are the indicators that Casey is recruiting well? I'm not denying it, I'm just wondering where that notion is coming from. Since Casey was announced as Schafer's successor, twelve players have committed (which is a lot). They're mostly quite young and none of them are really putting up eye-popping numbers. The big get was poaching Veilleux from Harvard, but the other recruits seem kind of up in the air to me.
I believe he was credited with some very good gets his first tour with us.
Although TBH I am always skeptical about assigning provenance for a commitment to a coach. Not that it's impossible or even improbable -- just that it's the kind of inside baseball (?) that only the specific people involved will ever really know.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhat are the indicators that Casey is recruiting well? I'm not denying it, I'm just wondering where that notion is coming from. Since Casey was announced as Schafer's successor, twelve players have committed (which is a lot). They're mostly quite young and none of them are really putting up eye-popping numbers. The big get was poaching Veilleux from Harvard, but the other recruits seem kind of up in the air to me.
I believe he was credited with some very good gets his first tour with us.
Although TBH I am always skeptical about assigning provenance for a commitment to a coach. Not that it's impossible or even improbable -- just that it's the kind of inside baseball (?) that only the specific people involved will ever really know.
Oh, I agree that he seemed like a good recruiter at Clarkson at least. Just don't know which of our recent commitments people are looking at and going "wow, this kid looks like he's gonna be great."
Quote from: BearLoverOh, I agree that he seemed like a good recruiter at Clarkson at least. Just don't know which of our recent commitments people are looking at and going "wow, this kid looks like he's gonna be great."
I think it's too early to distinguish his work from Mike anyway. Guys who are committing even now were likely first on our radar years before. The only guys who get a straight line drawn to Casey are his Clarkson prospects who followed him. Now, there
may be those who were still early in the process when he jumped. The Quebecois seem at least plausible.
We'll see. It will be a few years before we know if there is a significant uptick or drop off. I think portal management may become as if not even more important as the system settles in.
are we assuming Casey stays around all that long? He isnt really that much different in age
Quote from: upprdeckare we assuming Casey stays around all that long? He isnt really that much different in age
but less time at the helm of a program, so less potential burnout and more realms to conquer. does he have grandkids? is his health better than mike's? age is just a number.
Health is definitely the factor there. Schaf isn't THAT old but he is a bigger guy and has has health issues in the past. Casey looks a bit healthier on the surface and hasn't been a head coach as long so I'd say he's more likely to keep coaching past where Schaf retired.
Quote from: upprdeckare we assuming Casey stays around all that long? He isn't really that much different in age
Casey is 56. He won't be here for 20, but he could easily make 10 if he is successful and wishes to. Mike is going because of health.
I suspect his over/under is 5 and will be driven by (1) record and (2) whether the game continues to change so severely it needs new eyes to see it.
Ned was born in 1919. Schafer was born in 1962. If patterns hold, our next program-defining coach is 20.
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Unless people have inside information, they're just speculating why Schafer chose to retire. In reality, it's probably several things. If it were mostly health-related, it would make little sense why Nikki Moore convinced him to stay another season.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhat are the indicators that Casey is recruiting well? I'm not denying it, I'm just wondering where that notion is coming from. Since Casey was announced as Schafer's successor, twelve players have committed (which is a lot). They're mostly quite young and none of them are really putting up eye-popping numbers. The big get was poaching Veilleux from Harvard, but the other recruits seem kind of up in the air to me.
I believe he was credited with some very good gets his first tour with us.
Although TBH I am always skeptical about assigning provenance for a commitment to a coach. Not that it's impossible or even improbable -- just that it's the kind of inside baseball (?) that only the specific people involved will ever really know.
Go look at the track record as far back as Ohio State. Track that program's turnaround at the time, and the players that came in. It wasn't because of the head coach.
Quote from: CASCasey is attracting some impressive talent to Cornell. He appears to be an excellent recruiter.
Christ on a stick! A post like that is a lightning rod. You're just asking for ELF conspiracy-theory posters to come out from under their rocks (albeit mined from the Ivy-draped shores of Beebe Lake) and indulge conspiracy theories that put Elon Musk to shame. You know, stuff like, "I knew Casey was no good back when he got swept back to back years by Brown and Princeton because he wore green and yellow not red game-day boxers blah blah blah so prove to me I'm wrong." I love the "prove to me I'm wrong" argument as if the burden of proof automatically shifts by voicing those syllables. Give the guy a chance. Like, don't toilet paper his yard until Cornell loses two games in a row this fall and one is a shootout. Please.
Recruit Aiden Long has been on a scoring tear in the USHL recently - 12 points in the last 5 games. Currently 11th in the league. Many of our commits are putting up big numbers.
Quote from: CASRecruit Aiden Long has been on a scoring tear in the USHL recently - 12 points in the last 5 games. Currently 11th in the league. Many of our commits are putting up big numbers.
him, Diguilian and veilleux look like really exciting players. I hope roest can produce through the rest of the year because the way they've treated keopple this year point to roest being in contention to start.
In the BCHL, Chase Pirtle is 8th in points & Reegan Hiscock is 12th in goals scored
Is Pirtle still coming? Don't see him listed anywhere.
Quote from: chimpfoodIs Pirtle still coming? Don't see him listed anywhere.
He is listed as committed to Cornell on his team's website and also in Heisenberg's list.
Quote from: chimpfoodIs Pirtle still coming? Don't see him listed anywhere.
His team profile shows him as a Cornell commit: https://www.victoriagrizzlies.com/stats/player/8370
Thanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
Quote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
with the number of seniors this year we must be planning on a big fr class, or some transfers
It's not a great feeling seeing many teams, particularly Quinnipiac and Clarkson, recruiting a bunch of '04s from major juniors. These players are older and have been productive in major juniors and so they will likely make an immediate impact for their college teams. It feels like the fifth year grad transfer bullshit all over again, except now these schools are only adding players, not losing them. I'd like to see Cornell get some of these kids just for reassurance that they're capable of doing so; but with 24 commitments already, it doesn't look like we have much/any room left.
Pretty interesting CHN podcast where the Michigan state assistant implied that CHL kids might not adjust well to the physicality of college hockey. Curious to see how it plays out.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
But how many of these kids are coming next year, we know we need like 10+
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
But how many of these kids are coming next year, we know we need like 10+
While many years there are some surprise deferrals or accelerations, I expect next fall we'll see at least the following 10: Pirtle, Roest, Pelletier, McCrady, Long, Hiscock, Hamiton, Gorski, Veilleux, and DiGiulian. The only 2006 born player int that group is Veilleux, but he seems more than ready for NCAA hockey. It's possible some of the other 2006's might be in the mix, which would include Arsenault, Ryan, and Sandruck.
Quote from: chimpfoodPretty interesting CHN podcast where the Michigan state assistant implied that CHL kids might not adjust well to the physicality of college hockey. Curious to see how it plays out.
The blue bloods of the NCAA have yet to recruit many CHL kids. The exception is Denver, who already has commitments from three. But many schools like BU and BC and UMich have zero. Thus far it seems like CHL eligibility is a bigger boon for the lesser programs than it is for the blue bloods, which is what many had predicted. But there's a difference between CHL recruits who are 20 and about to age out, and 16-y/os who are about to embark on a junior hockey career. Cornell has no commits in the former category and several in the latter. Which is probably fine long-term but may cause short-term pain as we are forced to play against Clarkson and Quinnipiac and other teams loaded with older players who graduated from the CHL.
Quote from: chimpfoodPretty interesting CHN podcast where the Michigan state assistant implied that CHL kids might not adjust well to the physicality of college hockey. Curious to see how it plays out.
Really? I'd think it'd be the other way around, that the CHL is more physical... At least, that's my eye test of it.
CHL is FAR more physical. It's fight central and the checking is rougher than the N.
Quote from: TrotskyCHL is FAR more physical. It's fight central and the checking is rougher than the N.
That was my precise impression of it. I guess the MSU guy was saying something more along the lines of "CHL goons will get super penalized in the NCAA"?
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyCHL is FAR more physical. It's fight central and the checking is rougher than the N.
That was my precise impression of it. I guess the MSU guy was saying something more along the lines of "CHL goons will get super penalized in the NCAA"?
I had the same impression of the CHL, but I've never watched it so I figured I was wrong.
No they talked about how it is more nhl style scoring hockey and that "minutes will go by sometimes without a check thrown"
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: stereaxQuote from: TrotskyCHL is FAR more physical. It's fight central and the checking is rougher than the N.
That was my precise impression of it. I guess the MSU guy was saying something more along the lines of "CHL goons will get super penalized in the NCAA"?
I had the same impression of the CHL, but I've never watched it so I figured I was wrong.
No they talked about how it is more nhl style scoring hockey and that "minutes will go by sometimes without a check thrown"
Fun fact, each of the CHL leagues now does a free broadcast weekly - WHL's Wednesday Night in the Dub, QMJHL'S Duel du jeudi soir, OHL's Friday Night Faceoff. All on YouTube, I believe, and past ones are archived!
That being said... I think a lot of checks are thrown at the NCAA level too, lol. Just not as fight central as CHL puck.
I'm pretty anti-fighting in hockey in general, but fighting in leagues with players under 18 is less than great.
Physical doesn't mean fighting. Physical means how Cornell played in 2003. NCAA is big, strong, tight-checking. I don't know much about the CHL, but I'd be surprised if it had these qualities on the level of the NCAA.
If they mean endurance WHL guys have us beat. Their seasons are 3x as long, their travel is more difficult, the pressure for them to play hurt is intense. It's a shitty endless grind and the only way it pays off is if they make the show, so the stakes are far higher. If they fail it's not a cushy finance gig it's fuckin' Chrysler plant, here I come.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
But how many of these kids are coming next year, we know we need like 10+
While many years there are some surprise deferrals or accelerations, I expect next fall we'll see at least the following 10: Pirtle, Roest, Pelletier, McCrady, Long, Hiscock, Hamiton, Gorski, Veilleux, and DiGiulian. The only 2006 born player int that group is Veilleux, but he seems more than ready for NCAA hockey. It's possible some of the other 2006's might be in the mix, which would include Arsenault, Ryan, and Sandruck.
I would guess McCrady spends another year in juniors. He is a late '05 and has just 9 assists and 0 goals through 40 BCHL games. Seems likely the coaching staff views him as a shutdown defender rather than as an offensive threat, so maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem likely that he would get playing time. Same goes for Hamilton, who has 1 goal and 4 assists across 34 games this season in the USHL and BCHL. Unlike McCrady, though, Hamilton will have already spent three seasons in high level juniors, so my guess is he comes next year.
Assuming 5F/3D/1G come next year, and assuming no further departures, that replaces everybody leaving excluding Rayhill. One question is whether Casey dips in the transfer portal. He regularly did this at Clarkson, but at Cornell it's going to be harder. It seems to me the biggest position of need by far is goaltending, but Cornell already has three goalies on its roster for next year. For those three goalies, it would be a kick in the balls if Casey were to go out and bring in a fourth to be the starter. Maybe Casey is too nice of a guy to do something like that, but Rand and many other successful coaches would do it in a heartbeat.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
But how many of these kids are coming next year, we know we need like 10+
While many years there are some surprise deferrals or accelerations, I expect next fall we'll see at least the following 10: Pirtle, Roest, Pelletier, McCrady, Long, Hiscock, Hamiton, Gorski, Veilleux, and DiGiulian. The only 2006 born player int that group is Veilleux, but he seems more than ready for NCAA hockey. It's possible some of the other 2006's might be in the mix, which would include Arsenault, Ryan, and Sandruck.
I would guess McCrady spends another year in juniors. He is a late '05 and has just 9 assists and 0 goals through 40 BCHL games. Seems likely the coaching staff views him as a shutdown defender rather than as an offensive threat, so maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem likely that he would get playing time. Same goes for Hamilton, who has 1 goal and 4 assists across 34 games this season in the USHL and BCHL. Unlike McCrady, though, Hamilton will have already spent three seasons in high level juniors, so my guess is he comes next year.
Assuming 5F/3D/1G come next year, and assuming no further departures, that replaces everybody leaving excluding Rayhill. One question is whether Casey dips in the transfer portal. He regularly did this at Clarkson, but at Cornell it's going to be harder. It seems to me the biggest position of need by far is goaltending, but Cornell already has three goalies on its roster for next year. For those three goalies, it would be a kick in the balls if Casey were to go out and bring in a fourth to be the starter. Maybe Casey is too nice of a guy to do something like that, but Rand and many other successful coaches would do it in a heartbeat.
Regarding a guy like Hamilton, I assume that unlike Veillieux Hamilton is more of a stay-at-home defenseman so the lack of points doesn't necessarily reflect his ability or potential value.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
But how many of these kids are coming next year, we know we need like 10+
While many years there are some surprise deferrals or accelerations, I expect next fall we'll see at least the following 10: Pirtle, Roest, Pelletier, McCrady, Long, Hiscock, Hamiton, Gorski, Veilleux, and DiGiulian. The only 2006 born player int that group is Veilleux, but he seems more than ready for NCAA hockey. It's possible some of the other 2006's might be in the mix, which would include Arsenault, Ryan, and Sandruck.
I would guess McCrady spends another year in juniors. He is a late '05 and has just 9 assists and 0 goals through 40 BCHL games. Seems likely the coaching staff views him as a shutdown defender rather than as an offensive threat, so maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem likely that he would get playing time. Same goes for Hamilton, who has 1 goal and 4 assists across 34 games this season in the USHL and BCHL. Unlike McCrady, though, Hamilton will have already spent three seasons in high level juniors, so my guess is he comes next year.
Assuming 5F/3D/1G come next year, and assuming no further departures, that replaces everybody leaving excluding Rayhill. One question is whether Casey dips in the transfer portal. He regularly did this at Clarkson, but at Cornell it's going to be harder. It seems to me the biggest position of need by far is goaltending, but Cornell already has three goalies on its roster for next year. For those three goalies, it would be a kick in the balls if Casey were to go out and bring in a fourth to be the starter. Maybe Casey is too nice of a guy to do something like that, but Rand and many other successful coaches would do it in a heartbeat.
Regarding a guy like Hamilton, I assume that unlike Veillieux Hamilton is more of a stay-at-home defenseman so the lack of points doesn't necessarily reflect his ability or potential value.
Out of curiosity, does scoring output for a defenseman devalue the same way from juniors to DI as from DI to the pros? I know it does for forwards, but I've generally not paid much attention to how it translates for defense.
I ask because a legitimate stay at home defensive prospect for the NHL is usually well above average in terms of scoring in college. Think Doug Murray or Sam Malinski. If the same trend holds for juniors to college (and I suspect it does, same basic mechanism involving skill gaps), then in all likelihood any low-scoring guy is probably not going to crack the lineup unless there's some external reason for the low point production.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
But how many of these kids are coming next year, we know we need like 10+
While many years there are some surprise deferrals or accelerations, I expect next fall we'll see at least the following 10: Pirtle, Roest, Pelletier, McCrady, Long, Hiscock, Hamiton, Gorski, Veilleux, and DiGiulian. The only 2006 born player int that group is Veilleux, but he seems more than ready for NCAA hockey. It's possible some of the other 2006's might be in the mix, which would include Arsenault, Ryan, and Sandruck.
I would guess McCrady spends another year in juniors. He is a late '05 and has just 9 assists and 0 goals through 40 BCHL games. Seems likely the coaching staff views him as a shutdown defender rather than as an offensive threat, so maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem likely that he would get playing time. Same goes for Hamilton, who has 1 goal and 4 assists across 34 games this season in the USHL and BCHL. Unlike McCrady, though, Hamilton will have already spent three seasons in high level juniors, so my guess is he comes next year.
Assuming 5F/3D/1G come next year, and assuming no further departures, that replaces everybody leaving excluding Rayhill. One question is whether Casey dips in the transfer portal. He regularly did this at Clarkson, but at Cornell it's going to be harder. It seems to me the biggest position of need by far is goaltending, but Cornell already has three goalies on its roster for next year. For those three goalies, it would be a kick in the balls if Casey were to go out and bring in a fourth to be the starter. Maybe Casey is too nice of a guy to do something like that, but Rand and many other successful coaches would do it in a heartbeat.
Regarding a guy like Hamilton, I assume that unlike Veillieux Hamilton is more of a stay-at-home defenseman so the lack of points doesn't necessarily reflect his ability or potential value.
Out of curiosity, does scoring output for a defenseman devalue the same way from juniors to DI as from DI to the pros? I know it does for forwards, but I've generally not paid much attention to how it translates for defense.
I ask because a legitimate stay at home defensive prospect for the NHL is usually well above average in terms of scoring in college. Think Doug Murray or Sam Malinski. If the same trend holds for juniors to college (and I suspect it does, same basic mechanism involving skill gaps), then in all likelihood any low-scoring guy is probably not going to crack the lineup unless there's some external reason for the low point production.
I suspect there's a high correlation between point production in juniors and playing time in college, even for D. The reason could simply be that the lack of offensive ability is very costly to a team; it's a lot easier to create offensive when everyone on the ice is a threat to score. Or it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodThanks, glad to hear it, eliteprospects and CHN didn't list him so I figured he decomitted but glad to hear he hasn't.
The definitive list (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2025/2025_Future_Players.html). **]
But how many of these kids are coming next year, we know we need like 10+
While many years there are some surprise deferrals or accelerations, I expect next fall we'll see at least the following 10: Pirtle, Roest, Pelletier, McCrady, Long, Hiscock, Hamiton, Gorski, Veilleux, and DiGiulian. The only 2006 born player int that group is Veilleux, but he seems more than ready for NCAA hockey. It's possible some of the other 2006's might be in the mix, which would include Arsenault, Ryan, and Sandruck.
I would guess McCrady spends another year in juniors. He is a late '05 and has just 9 assists and 0 goals through 40 BCHL games. Seems likely the coaching staff views him as a shutdown defender rather than as an offensive threat, so maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem likely that he would get playing time. Same goes for Hamilton, who has 1 goal and 4 assists across 34 games this season in the USHL and BCHL. Unlike McCrady, though, Hamilton will have already spent three seasons in high level juniors, so my guess is he comes next year.
Assuming 5F/3D/1G come next year, and assuming no further departures, that replaces everybody leaving excluding Rayhill. One question is whether Casey dips in the transfer portal. He regularly did this at Clarkson, but at Cornell it's going to be harder. It seems to me the biggest position of need by far is goaltending, but Cornell already has three goalies on its roster for next year. For those three goalies, it would be a kick in the balls if Casey were to go out and bring in a fourth to be the starter. Maybe Casey is too nice of a guy to do something like that, but Rand and many other successful coaches would do it in a heartbeat.
Regarding a guy like Hamilton, I assume that unlike Veillieux Hamilton is more of a stay-at-home defenseman so the lack of points doesn't necessarily reflect his ability or potential value.
Out of curiosity, does scoring output for a defenseman devalue the same way from juniors to DI as from DI to the pros? I know it does for forwards, but I've generally not paid much attention to how it translates for defense.
I ask because a legitimate stay at home defensive prospect for the NHL is usually well above average in terms of scoring in college. Think Doug Murray or Sam Malinski. If the same trend holds for juniors to college (and I suspect it does, same basic mechanism involving skill gaps), then in all likelihood any low-scoring guy is probably not going to crack the lineup unless there's some external reason for the low point production.
I suspect there's a high correlation between point production in juniors and playing time in college, even for D. The reason could simply be that the lack of offensive ability is very costly to a team; it's a lot easier to create offensive when everyone on the ice is a threat to score. Or it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
Yeah, that makes sense to me. I'm thinking the level differences also mean guys who are excellent all around players but aren't generating enough offense to score points regularly will have a tougher time adjusting to the college game because they need to make a bigger adaptation in their play than a similar guy who's more dominant on the scoresheet. On average, anyway, there's a lot of luck involved in hockey.
Quote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
Quote from: DafatoneI'm pretty anti-fighting in hockey in general, but fighting in leagues with players under 18 is less than great.
Eventually, then, the parents get involved. Or their mouths do. Especially in HS / prep where the parents have super big (super unlikely) hopes for their kids.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
There's always that few percent chance.
But that doesn't change the main point.
Remember I said doubtful, not never.
(And if that happened, it's likely we had already told him that we 're not interested.)
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
There's always that few percent chance.
But that doesn't change the main point.
Remember I said doubtful, not never.
(And if that happened, it's likely we had already told him that we 're not interested.)
Many players are recruited before they set foot in the USHL/BCHL. Colleges like Cornell project how the kids will develop. So playing time down the road is not certain.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
There's always that few percent chance.
But that doesn't change the main point.
Remember I said doubtful, not never.
(And if that happened, it's likely we had already told him that we 're not interested.)
Many players are recruited before they set foot in the USHL/BCHL. Colleges like Cornell project how the kids will develop. So playing time down the road is not certain.
Yes they for sure are recruited early. But if they don't develop, the process stops. You don't keep recruiting a player who isn't going to make it.
Your post was talking about players who were already in Juniors.
Quotepoint production in juniors and playing time in college
If they're in Juniors and aren't getting playing time, the chance of being recruited, except for circumstances like injuries, must be very low.
Quote from: Jim HylaIf they're in Juniors and aren't getting playing time, the chance of being recruited, except for circumstances like injuries, must be very low.
Or covid. Wasn't Psenicka's story a bit that he barely played for two years (https://cornellsun.com/2025/02/20/i-would-never-think-that-i-would-be-that-lucky-ondrej-psenickas-25-improbable-journey-from-prague-to-the-hill/) before Cornell? But that's again a bit of a special case and we don't expect a pandemic to come back any time soon.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: Jim HylaIf they're in Juniors and aren't getting playing time, the chance of being recruited, except for circumstances like injuries, must be very low.
Or covid. Wasn't Psenicka's story a bit that he barely played for two years (https://cornellsun.com/2025/02/20/i-would-never-think-that-i-would-be-that-lucky-ondrej-psenickas-25-improbable-journey-from-prague-to-the-hill/) before Cornell? But that's again a bit of a special case and we don't expect a pandemic to come back any time soon.
Totally agree. Long illnesses are like injuries.
We lost a coach to long Covid, and didn't give up on him. Much to some's regret, I think.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
There's always that few percent chance.
But that doesn't change the main point.
Remember I said doubtful, not never.
(And if that happened, it's likely we had already told him that we 're not interested.)
Many players are recruited before they set foot in the USHL/BCHL. Colleges like Cornell project how the kids will develop. So playing time down the road is not certain.
Yes they for sure are recruited early. But if they don't develop, the process stops. You don't keep recruiting a player who isn't going to make it.
Your post was talking about players who were already in Juniors.
Quotepoint production in juniors and playing time in college
If they're in Juniors and aren't getting playing time, the chance of being recruited, except for circumstances like injuries, must be very low.
Yeah but we were talking about projecting someone's ability in college off of their stats in junior. The discussion was agnostic as to the point when they were actually recruited. They could have been recruited in high school or very early on in junior hockey (eg. they just turned 16) and then they don't end up panning out/getting playing time. Many such cases among Cornell recruits and other schools' recruits.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
There's always that few percent chance.
But that doesn't change the main point.
Remember I said doubtful, not never.
(And if that happened, it's likely we had already told him that we 're not interested.)
Many players are recruited before they set foot in the USHL/BCHL. Colleges like Cornell project how the kids will develop. So playing time down the road is not certain.
Yes they for sure are recruited early. But if they don't develop, the process stops. You don't keep recruiting a player who isn't going to make it.
Your post was talking about players who were already in Juniors.
Quotepoint production in juniors and playing time in college
If they're in Juniors and aren't getting playing time, the chance of being recruited, except for circumstances like injuries, must be very low.
Yeah but we were talking about projecting someone's ability in college off of their stats in junior. The discussion was agnostic as to the point when they were actually recruited. They could have been recruited in high school or very early on in junior hockey (eg. they just turned 16) and then they don't end up panning out/getting playing time. Many such cases among Cornell recruits and other schools' recruits.
I give up.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
There's always that few percent chance.
But that doesn't change the main point.
Remember I said doubtful, not never.
(And if that happened, it's likely we had already told him that we 're not interested.)
Many players are recruited before they set foot in the USHL/BCHL. Colleges like Cornell project how the kids will develop. So playing time down the road is not certain.
Yes they for sure are recruited early. But if they don't develop, the process stops. You don't keep recruiting a player who isn't going to make it.
Maybe I don't understand your point, but I think this right here is the point of disagreement. It is not true that "the process stops." There are many players on Cornell's current list of commitments who are struggling for playing time or had to change teams to find playing time. That's just the world of hockey recruiting.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverOr it could be that lack of production reflects lack of playing time/lack of possession when on the ice.
It's doubtful that any player with a lack of playing time, excluding due to injury, would be recruited.
Recruited without playing time would seem to imply that our coaches see something that their coaches don't.
We could get a commit who gets loads of ice at the time, but fast forward 2 years and he's in the bchl and playing on the 4th line.
There's always that few percent chance.
But that doesn't change the main point.
Remember I said doubtful, not never.
(And if that happened, it's likely we had already told him that we 're not interested.)
Many players are recruited before they set foot in the USHL/BCHL. Colleges like Cornell project how the kids will develop. So playing time down the road is not certain.
Yes they for sure are recruited early. But if they don't develop, the process stops. You don't keep recruiting a player who isn't going to make it.
Maybe I don't understand your point, but I think this right here is the point of disagreement. It is not true that "the process stops." There are many players on Cornell's current list of commitments who are struggling for playing time or had to change teams to find playing time. That's just the world of hockey recruiting.
Mass exodus of talent this year, particularly now with Bancroft leaving. Only 2 of the top 7 scorers on this year's team remain. Bancroft leaving is really a kick in the balls. And we still need a goalie. The hope lies in the portal or a miracle late recruit from the CHL (plausible on the former, highly doubtful on the latter).
With Michael Fisher transferring in we basically have our D set for next year at least, assuming everyone stays healthy.
Need a goalie and probably need a forward now.
What is rough about this situation is that next year would typically be a rebuilding year with so much talent graduating and no obvious #1 goalie, but it's also likely the last year we have Walsh and Castagna, so things do not line up.
If nobody else leaves early, here is what our roster currently looks like for next year:
G: Keopple, Katz, Roest* (3)
D: Robertson, Stanley, Fegaras, Veilleux*, Fisher*, Wolfenberg, O'Brien, Gorski*, Mosko, McCrady* (10)
F: Walsh, Castagna, Major, Devlin, DeSantis, Kraft, Long*, Pirtle*, DiGiulian*, Wallace, Catalano, Pelletier*, Hiscock*, Donaldson, Murray (15)
* denotes new addition
Bancroft leaving is extremely painful, as now we really need another forward. We also don't know who the starting goalie is supposed to be.
Next year's team is going to be very freshman-heavy, with few seniors. Probably another year we need to win the ECAC tournament to get in. Fortunately, the ECAC is looking very weak again, with the exception of Quinnipiac.
The remaining flight risk is Walsh. If he leaves, it's sayonara, 2025-26 season.
Quote from: BearLoverIf nobody else leaves early, here is what our roster currently looks like for next year:
G: Keopple, Katz, Roest* (3)
D: Robertson, Stanley, Fegaras, Veilleux*, Fisher*, Wolfenberg, O'Brien, Gorski*, Mosko, McCrady* (10)
F: Walsh, Castagna, Major, Devlin, DeSantis, Kraft, Long*, Pirtle*, DiGiulian*, Wallace, Catalano, Pelletier*, Hiscock*, Donaldson, Murray (15)
* denotes new addition
Bancroft leaving is extremely painful, as now we really need another forward. We also don't know who the starting goalie is supposed to be.
Next year's team is going to be very freshman-heavy, with few seniors. Probably another year we need to win the ECAC tournament to get in. Fortunately, the ECAC is looking very weak again, with the exception of Quinnipiac.
The remaining flight risk is Walsh. If he leaves, it's sayonara, 2025-26 season.
I'd be wary of making any predictions. In 2021-22, we relied heavily on the freshman class that is now leaving. It wasn't the best year in terms of how it ended (lost two out of three at home vs Colgate in the ECAC QF), but we went 18-10-4 and were about as good as we were the last two years save for the postseason.
If the incoming class steps up, we could compete.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverIf nobody else leaves early, here is what our roster currently looks like for next year:
G: Keopple, Katz, Roest* (3)
D: Robertson, Stanley, Fegaras, Veilleux*, Fisher*, Wolfenberg, O'Brien, Gorski*, Mosko, McCrady* (10)
F: Walsh, Castagna, Major, Devlin, DeSantis, Kraft, Long*, Pirtle*, DiGiulian*, Wallace, Catalano, Pelletier*, Hiscock*, Donaldson, Murray (15)
* denotes new addition
Bancroft leaving is extremely painful, as now we really need another forward. We also don't know who the starting goalie is supposed to be.
Next year's team is going to be very freshman-heavy, with few seniors. Probably another year we need to win the ECAC tournament to get in. Fortunately, the ECAC is looking very weak again, with the exception of Quinnipiac.
The remaining flight risk is Walsh. If he leaves, it's sayonara, 2025-26 season.
I'd be wary of making any predictions. In 2021-22, we relied heavily on the freshman class that is now leaving. It wasn't the best year in terms of how it ended (lost two out of three at home vs Colgate in the ECAC QF), but we went 18-10-4 and were about as good as we were the last two years save for the postseason.
If the incoming class steps up, we could compete.
Sorry to nitpick, but I don't think this is quite right.
We won a ton of games in OT that year. So the 18 wins is misleading. More like 14 wins.
Also, in 2023-24 we were very competitive for an at-large bid. In 2021-22 we were not. 2021-22's regular season was similar to this year's, yes. But this year's team went on a miracle run to the league championship.
I don't know if it was mentioned anywhere but Fisher was a 3rd round draft choice of San Jose in the 2022 draft, which I know will be thrilling news for certain people on this forum.
Here's a report from Dobber Prospects in 2022:
Fisher spent his entire 2021-2022 campaign with St. Mark's in the high school prep circuit, where he finished second on his team in scoring as a defenseman with 13 goals and 37 assists for 50 points in only 28 games. The prospect has already committed to Northeastern University for the 2022-2023 campaign, where he'll be continuing his development against legitimate competition, on a team known for developing their blue-liners' chance-suppressing tendencies.
Fisher is electrifying on the puck, utilizing a variety of fakes to carry the puck up the ice. He's daring, manipulative, and shows a wide arsenal of puck skills which he pulls out at the right times to make an impact in all three zones. Off the puck, there are some concerns, such as his tendency to lose a marker or struggle to close gaps quickly. This isn't as apparent against teenagers in high school, but I expect him to have a tough first year with Northeastern as he learns to do these things on a more regular basis. He should adapt quickly, however, as his hockey sense is clearly above-average and he got better as his season went on. A team could take a swing at him as early as the start of the second round, especially if they have a hole on the right side of their defensive pipeline and don't mind a long-term project. He could be a top pair defender, or not make the NHL; it all depends on what the next few years of his development look like. Hadi Kalakeche
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverIf nobody else leaves early, here is what our roster currently looks like for next year:
G: Keopple, Katz, Roest* (3)
D: Robertson, Stanley, Fegaras, Veilleux*, Fisher*, Wolfenberg, O'Brien, Gorski*, Mosko, McCrady* (10)
F: Walsh, Castagna, Major, Devlin, DeSantis, Kraft, Long*, Pirtle*, DiGiulian*, Wallace, Catalano, Pelletier*, Hiscock*, Donaldson, Murray (15)
* denotes new addition
Bancroft leaving is extremely painful, as now we really need another forward. We also don't know who the starting goalie is supposed to be.
Next year's team is going to be very freshman-heavy, with few seniors. Probably another year we need to win the ECAC tournament to get in. Fortunately, the ECAC is looking very weak again, with the exception of Quinnipiac.
The remaining flight risk is Walsh. If he leaves, it's sayonara, 2025-26 season.
I'd be wary of making any predictions. In 2021-22, we relied heavily on the freshman class that is now leaving. It wasn't the best year in terms of how it ended (lost two out of three at home vs Colgate in the ECAC QF), but we went 18-10-4 and were about as good as we were the last two years save for the postseason.
If the incoming class steps up, we could compete.
Sorry to nitpick, but I don't think this is quite right.
We won a ton of games in OT that year. So the 18 wins is misleading. More like 14 wins.
Also, in 2023-24 we were very competitive for an at-large bid. In 2021-22 we were not. 2021-22's regular season was similar to this year's, yes. But this year's team went on a miracle run to the league championship.
Looking up pairwise rankings on specific dates in those seasons is kind of a chore, but my memory is that we went into the ECAC postseason in 2023-24 somewhat on the outside looking in, then ran the table. And 2021-22 we were in the running until we lost in the quarters.
I bet if you swapped those postseasons and we lost 2 out of 3 in 2023-24, we wouldn't have made it. And had we run the table in 2021-22, we would have been in by pairwise regardless of the autobid. But this is based on memory, which is fickle.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverIf nobody else leaves early, here is what our roster currently looks like for next year:
G: Keopple, Katz, Roest* (3)
D: Robertson, Stanley, Fegaras, Veilleux*, Fisher*, Wolfenberg, O'Brien, Gorski*, Mosko, McCrady* (10)
F: Walsh, Castagna, Major, Devlin, DeSantis, Kraft, Long*, Pirtle*, DiGiulian*, Wallace, Catalano, Pelletier*, Hiscock*, Donaldson, Murray (15)
* denotes new addition
Bancroft leaving is extremely painful, as now we really need another forward. We also don't know who the starting goalie is supposed to be.
Next year's team is going to be very freshman-heavy, with few seniors. Probably another year we need to win the ECAC tournament to get in. Fortunately, the ECAC is looking very weak again, with the exception of Quinnipiac.
The remaining flight risk is Walsh. If he leaves, it's sayonara, 2025-26 season.
I'd be wary of making any predictions. In 2021-22, we relied heavily on the freshman class that is now leaving. It wasn't the best year in terms of how it ended (lost two out of three at home vs Colgate in the ECAC QF), but we went 18-10-4 and were about as good as we were the last two years save for the postseason.
If the incoming class steps up, we could compete.
Sorry to nitpick, but I don't think this is quite right.
We won a ton of games in OT that year. So the 18 wins is misleading. More like 14 wins.
Also, in 2023-24 we were very competitive for an at-large bid. In 2021-22 we were not. 2021-22's regular season was similar to this year's, yes. But this year's team went on a miracle run to the league championship.
Looking up pairwise rankings on specific dates in those seasons is kind of a chore, but my memory is that we went into the ECAC postseason in 2023-24 somewhat on the outside looking in, then ran the table. And 2021-22 we were in the running until we lost in the quarters.
I bet if you swapped those postseasons and we lost 2 out of 3 in 2023-24, we wouldn't have made it. And had we run the table in 2021-22, we would have been in by pairwise regardless of the autobid. But this is based on memory, which is fickle.
By the time the postseason came around in 2021-22, we had long been locked out of an at-large. In 2023-24, things were looking good for an at-large down the stretch (I remember you, or at least I think it was you, making the point that we would have a great shot if the RPI cutoff were at .54 like most years, but it was around .56 that year). But we had a rough end to that regular season and ended up heading into the ECAC tournament with a slim chance at an at-large. I think if we had lost in the finals of the ECAC, we would have been like 14th in the PWR and the first team out.
Quote from: scoop85I don't know if it was mentioned anywhere but Fisher was a 3rd round draft choice of San Jose in the 2022 draft, which I know will be thrilling news for certain people on this forum.
Here's a report from Dobber Prospects in 2022:
Fisher spent his entire 2021-2022 campaign with St. Mark's in the high school prep circuit, where he finished second on his team in scoring as a defenseman with 13 goals and 37 assists for 50 points in only 28 games. The prospect has already committed to Northeastern University for the 2022-2023 campaign, where he'll be continuing his development against legitimate competition, on a team known for developing their blue-liners' chance-suppressing tendencies.
Fisher is electrifying on the puck, utilizing a variety of fakes to carry the puck up the ice. He's daring, manipulative, and shows a wide arsenal of puck skills which he pulls out at the right times to make an impact in all three zones. Off the puck, there are some concerns, such as his tendency to lose a marker or struggle to close gaps quickly. This isn't as apparent against teenagers in high school, but I expect him to have a tough first year with Northeastern as he learns to do these things on a more regular basis. He should adapt quickly, however, as his hockey sense is clearly above-average and he got better as his season went on. A team could take a swing at him as early as the start of the second round, especially if they have a hole on the right side of their defensive pipeline and don't mind a long-term project. He could be a top pair defender, or not make the NHL; it all depends on what the next few years of his development look like. Hadi Kalakeche
Also of note is that Fisher had flipped to Northeastern from Princeton prior to going to the USHL, where he played just 14 games for Youngstown. His one season at Northeastern he was a -9, so hopefully he's worked on some things at Petincton; there's no =/- listed on that team's website, but they are the top team in that league, so I would hope he's well in the plus territory. He'll be coming in as a 21-year-old, so he should be ready to contribute from the get go.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverIf nobody else leaves early, here is what our roster currently looks like for next year:
G: Keopple, Katz, Roest* (3)
D: Robertson, Stanley, Fegaras, Veilleux*, Fisher*, Wolfenberg, O'Brien, Gorski*, Mosko, McCrady* (10)
F: Walsh, Castagna, Major, Devlin, DeSantis, Kraft, Long*, Pirtle*, DiGiulian*, Wallace, Catalano, Pelletier*, Hiscock*, Donaldson, Murray (15)
* denotes new addition
Bancroft leaving is extremely painful, as now we really need another forward. We also don't know who the starting goalie is supposed to be.
Next year's team is going to be very freshman-heavy, with few seniors. Probably another year we need to win the ECAC tournament to get in. Fortunately, the ECAC is looking very weak again, with the exception of Quinnipiac.
The remaining flight risk is Walsh. If he leaves, it's sayonara, 2025-26 season.
I'd be wary of making any predictions. In 2021-22, we relied heavily on the freshman class that is now leaving. It wasn't the best year in terms of how it ended (lost two out of three at home vs Colgate in the ECAC QF), but we went 18-10-4 and were about as good as we were the last two years save for the postseason.
If the incoming class steps up, we could compete.
Sorry to nitpick, but I don't think this is quite right.
We won a ton of games in OT that year. So the 18 wins is misleading. More like 14 wins.
Also, in 2023-24 we were very competitive for an at-large bid. In 2021-22 we were not. 2021-22's regular season was similar to this year's, yes. But this year's team went on a miracle run to the league championship.
Looking up pairwise rankings on specific dates in those seasons is kind of a chore, but my memory is that we went into the ECAC postseason in 2023-24 somewhat on the outside looking in, then ran the table. And 2021-22 we were in the running until we lost in the quarters.
I bet if you swapped those postseasons and we lost 2 out of 3 in 2023-24, we wouldn't have made it. And had we run the table in 2021-22, we would have been in by pairwise regardless of the autobid. But this is based on memory, which is fickle.
By the time the postseason came around in 2021-22, we had long been locked out of an at-large. In 2023-24, things were looking good for an at-large down the stretch (I remember you, or at least I think it was you, making the point that we would have a great shot if the RPI cutoff were at .54 like most years, but it was around .56 that year). But we had a rough end to that regular season and ended up heading into the ECAC tournament with a slim chance at an at-large. I think if we had lost in the finals of the ECAC, we would have been like 14th in the PWR and the first team out.
Yeah, that was me going on about the RPI cutoff. Like I said, fickle memory. I remember 2021-22 being a year that felt pretty good most of the season and kind of just faded, but maybe some of that mood was simply joy at having hockey again.
Quote from: scoop85I don't know if it was mentioned anywhere but Fisher was a 3rd round draft choice of San Jose in the 2022 draft, which I know will be thrilling news for certain people on this forum.
As this is a thinly veiled swipe at me, I will clarify my view, which is that I believe draft picks are generally a very strong proxy for talent and recruiting, though obviously not foolproof. Fisher is far from the typical drafted recruit. He was drafted a full three years ago and already spent a year in college. Injuries have thus far derailed his career. So I don't really view this as similar at all to taking an 18- or 19-year-old draftee. Seems high upside though and I'm glad we got him.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I don't know if it was mentioned anywhere but Fisher was a 3rd round draft choice of San Jose in the 2022 draft, which I know will be thrilling news for certain people on this forum.
As this is a thinly veiled swipe at me, I will clarify my view, which is that I believe draft picks are generally a very strong proxy for talent and recruiting, though obviously not foolproof. Fisher is far from the typical drafted recruit. He was drafted a full three years ago and already spent a year in college. Injuries have thus far derailed his career. So I don't really view this as similar at all to taking an 18- or 19-year-old draftee. Seems high upside though and I'm glad we got him.
Might be a note on me, too - I tend to get a little more excited about draft picks, haha. Third round is relatively high for Cornell, Sharks are an org I keep tabs on too, so this actually makes me pretty happy :)
Will fisher come in as a sophomore? Only played the one year at Northeastern.
I think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
Quote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
It's unusual, but not unheard of. Sometimes players do a year in Division I, but something isn't quite right (maybe he thought he should be doing better than 1-1-2 in 29 games at Northeastern?) so they return to juniors for a year before coming back to Division I, often at a different school. I would say this path was more common before the transfer portal, as back then players would have to sit for a year if they wanted to transfer schools.
Any idea if fisher will be a junior or sophomore?
Quote from: arugulaAny idea if fisher will be a junior or sophomore?
I would assume sophomore for hockey purposes, as he only did one year of college.
Quote from: WillQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
It's unusual, but not unheard of. Sometimes players do a year in Division I, but something isn't quite right (maybe he thought he should be doing better than 1-1-2 in 29 games at Northeastern?) so they return to juniors for a year before coming back to Division I, often at a different school. I would say this path was more common before the transfer portal, as back then players would have to sit for a year if they wanted to transfer schools.
We had somebody go back. Cairns? I can't remember.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WillQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Possibly Justin Ertel?
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
It's unusual, but not unheard of. Sometimes players do a year in Division I, but something isn't quite right (maybe he thought he should be doing better than 1-1-2 in 29 games at Northeastern?) so they return to juniors for a year before coming back to Division I, often at a different school. I would say this path was more common before the transfer portal, as back then players would have to sit for a year if they wanted to transfer schools.
We had somebody go back. Cairns? I can't remember.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: arugulaAny idea if fisher will be a junior or sophomore?
I would assume sophomore for hockey purposes, as he only did one year of college.
Hope so. Looks like some upside there. Strong blue line potential with Robertson, Stanley, Fegeras
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: WillQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Possibly Justin Ertel?
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
It's unusual, but not unheard of. Sometimes players do a year in Division I, but something isn't quite right (maybe he thought he should be doing better than 1-1-2 in 29 games at Northeastern?) so they return to juniors for a year before coming back to Division I, often at a different school. I would say this path was more common before the transfer portal, as back then players would have to sit for a year if they wanted to transfer schools.
We had somebody go back. Cairns? I can't remember.
Not sure how I managed to misplace "possibly Justin Ertel?"
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WillQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
It's unusual, but not unheard of. Sometimes players do a year in Division I, but something isn't quite right (maybe he thought he should be doing better than 1-1-2 in 29 games at Northeastern?) so they return to juniors for a year before coming back to Division I, often at a different school. I would say this path was more common before the transfer portal, as back then players would have to sit for a year if they wanted to transfer schools.
We had somebody go back. Cairns? I can't remember.
Troy Davenport.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WillQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
It's unusual, but not unheard of. Sometimes players do a year in Division I, but something isn't quite right (maybe he thought he should be doing better than 1-1-2 in 29 games at Northeastern?) so they return to juniors for a year before coming back to Division I, often at a different school. I would say this path was more common before the transfer portal, as back then players would have to sit for a year if they wanted to transfer schools.
We had somebody go back. Cairns? I can't remember.
I believe Clint Lewis went back before going to Minnesota State(?)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WillQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodI think Caron Ryan might come in a year early. We need a center and I don't think any of our other recruits coming this year are, and he's put up good numbers in the BCHL. By the way, where did you guys hear about fisher?
The Vees posted about it here. (https://x.com/PentictonVees/status/1907568730235875342)
Weird ass development path tho. Full year at Northeastern and then full year in the BCHL.
It's unusual, but not unheard of. Sometimes players do a year in Division I, but something isn't quite right (maybe he thought he should be doing better than 1-1-2 in 29 games at Northeastern?) so they return to juniors for a year before coming back to Division I, often at a different school. I would say this path was more common before the transfer portal, as back then players would have to sit for a year if they wanted to transfer schools.
We had somebody go back. Cairns? I can't remember.
Gavin Stoick returned to the USHL after his Fr year and then returned.
Quote from: ithacatGavin Stoick returned to the USHL after his Fr year and then returned.
This is who I meant. Thank you.
Fun fact: Gavin played for the Vail Yeti this year.
Quote from: DafatoneLooking up pairwise rankings on specific dates in those seasons is kind of a chore
how so?
Quote from: adamwQuote from: DafatoneLooking up pairwise rankings on specific dates in those seasons is kind of a chore
how so?
Full disclosure: I did not do my due diligence before saying that. Looks easy on the chn mobile version of the pairwise.
That being said, I'd still have to look up which dates are relevant and then plug them in.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: adamwQuote from: DafatoneLooking up pairwise rankings on specific dates in those seasons is kind of a chore
how so?
Full disclosure: I did not do my due diligence before saying that. Looks easy on the chn mobile version of the pairwise.
That being said, I'd still have to look up which dates are relevant and then plug them in.
just trying to make sure I didn't miss anything that could make it easier.
We flipped Lily Pachl [women's] from Sucks!!!
Link. (https://www.instagram.com/p/DIHlikcSe-T/?igsh=MTQ0a2dqMzdxOTBrag==)
Will come in for '25.
Quote from: stereaxWe flipped Lily Pachl [women's] from Sucks!!!
Link. (https://www.instagram.com/p/DIHlikcSe-T/?igsh=MTQ0a2dqMzdxOTBrag==)
Will come in for '25.
She was a semifinalist for the Ms. Hockey Award in Minnesota, so she must be pretty good!
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: stereaxWe flipped Lily Pachl [women's] from Sucks!!!
Link. (https://www.instagram.com/p/DIHlikcSe-T/?igsh=MTQ0a2dqMzdxOTBrag==)
Will come in for '25.
She was a semifinalist for the Ms. Hockey Award in Minnesota, so she must be pretty good!
Looks like a nice additon! For context, Izzy Daniel and Lily Delianedis were Ms. Hockey finalists in Minnesota, and Joie Phelps from a few years back was a Ms. Hockey semifinalist.
With Bancroft and Robertson gone (at minimum), unless Casey can pull off some miracles in the portal (highly doubtful), this team is headed for a down period. I'm really sad that we went 0-for-3 in the regional final the past three seasons because it feels like it will be a long time before we get another chance.
Even before these departures, things were already looking tough because other teams like Clarkson and Quinnipiac were taking aging-out CHL players for next year. Cornell can recruit younger CHL players, but it seems unlikely any of the aging-out ones would come here as I assume most of them haven't even taken the necessary academic exams/requirements. So it was already going to be a transition for a few years, and that transition is now quickly becoming a full-blown rebuild.
I'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
I'm going to take a step back from following this team, I really hope we can remain nationally competitive but things are trending in a very bad direction now. Hutson's OT winner feels like a real sliding doors moment in the history of Cornell hockey, ugh.
Quote from: BearLoverWith Bancroft and Robertson gone (at minimum), unless Casey can pull off some miracles in the portal (highly doubtful), this team is headed for a down period. I'm really sad that we went 0-for-3 in the regional final the past three seasons because it feels like it will be a long time before we get another chance.
Even before these departures, things were already looking tough because other teams like Clarkson and Quinnipiac were taking aging-out CHL players for next year. Cornell can recruit younger CHL players, but it seems unlikely any of the aging-out ones would come here as I assume most of them haven't even taken the necessary academic exams/requirements. So it was already going to be a transition for a few years, and that transition is now quickly becoming a full-blown rebuild.
I'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
I'm going to take a step back from following this team, I really hope we can remain nationally competitive but things are trending in a very bad direction now. Hutson's OT winner feels like a real sliding doors moment in the history of Cornell hockey, ugh.
Please take several steps back and spare us the perceived grief you can't seem to stop wallowing in. And think hard about getting a real life.
Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
I thought Leahy was in the same boat as Green, Donaldson, Barron, and others in that class year due to COVID
Quote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Ben Tupker, much more recently.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Not counting those who transferred out during the canceled season. Also, I believe Regush and Leahy graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Ben Tupker, much more recently.
He graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverWith Bancroft and Robertson gone (at minimum), unless Casey can pull off some miracles in the portal (highly doubtful), this team is headed for a down period. I'm really sad that we went 0-for-3 in the regional final the past three seasons because it feels like it will be a long time before we get another chance.
Even before these departures, things were already looking tough because other teams like Clarkson and Quinnipiac were taking aging-out CHL players for next year. Cornell can recruit younger CHL players, but it seems unlikely any of the aging-out ones would come here as I assume most of them haven't even taken the necessary academic exams/requirements. So it was already going to be a transition for a few years, and that transition is now quickly becoming a full-blown rebuild.
I'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
I'm going to take a step back from following this team, I really hope we can remain nationally competitive but things are trending in a very bad direction now. Hutson's OT winner feels like a real sliding doors moment in the history of Cornell hockey, ugh.
Please take several steps back and spare us the perceived grief you can't seem to stop wallowing in. And think hard about getting a real life.
Don't you have some football playcalling to complain about?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Not counting those who transferred out during the canceled season. Also, I believe Regush and Leahy graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Regush transfered after his junior year (the COVID season). He was a senior at Miami Ohio, not a grad student. And yup: Ben Tupker is also in the same boat.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Ben Tupker, much more recently.
He graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Really? He graduated from Cornell after his junior year and yet still had two more years of eligibility at Union?
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Ben Tupker, much more recently.
He graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Really? He graduated from Cornell after his junior year and yet still had two more years of eligibility at Union?
Correct. Says so right on his LinkedIn page.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Not counting those who transferred out during the canceled season. Also, I believe Regush and Leahy graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Regush transfered after his junior year (the COVID season). He was a senior at Miami Ohio, not a grad student. And yup: Ben Tupker is also in the same boat.
Incorrect. Both Regush and Tupker graduated from Cornell. Says so right on their LinkedIn pages. Regush attended Miami for his master's degree in accounting. Tupker graduated from ILR and then went to Union for a graduate degree in economics.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Not counting those who transferred out during the canceled season. Also, I believe Regush and Leahy graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Regush transfered after his junior year (the COVID season). He was a senior at Miami Ohio, not a grad student. And yup: Ben Tupker is also in the same boat.
Incorrect. Both Regush and Tupker graduated from Cornell. Says so right on their LinkedIn pages. Regush attended Miami for his master's degree in accounting. Tupker graduated from ILR and then went to Union for a graduate degree in economics.
I'm sure I knew that at some point, but I apparently forgot. Carry on.
At least we know Schafer was serious about the team's academic performance if all these players were completing their degrees after 3 years.
Point is they could have stayed for 4 years and didn't. People graduate in 3 for a reason. The graduating vs non graduating isn't really the main factor to discuss here
Quote from: Big DingusPoint is they could have stayed for 4 years and didn't. People graduate in 3 for a reason. The graduating vs non graduating isn't really the main factor to discuss here
They almost certainly would have stayed for four years if not for COVID, though. There was extreme uncertainty when/if the Ivies would go back to playing hockey, so these players accelerated their coursework and graduated early.
Not completely sure about that - but I agree COVID was a main driver of it
Even forgetting NIL issues for a moment, keep in mind that if Robertson or others don't qualify based on family income for full grant coverage for their Cornell tuition, there are plenty of good options where they can go on full scholarship. The fact this has happened so rarely in the past is a tribute to the program's culture. But we're seeing this change for the worse across all D1 athletics, and it's something we'll need to expect more of. As but an extreme example, I saw the current Tulane QB who just transferred in (and is in some legal hot water) is now at his 5TH college; I'm sure he's highly focused on his academic career ::bang::
Quote from: scoop85Even forgetting NIL issues for a moment, keep in mind that if Robertson or others don't qualify based on family income for full grant coverage for their Cornell tuition, there are plenty of good options where they can go on full scholarship. The fact this has happened so rarely in the past is a tribute to the program's culture. But we're seeing this change for the worse across all D1 athletics, and it's something we'll need to expect more of. As but an extreme example, I saw the current Tulane QB who just transferred in (and is in some legal hot water) is now at his 5TH college; I'm sure he's highly focused on his academic career ::bang::
Though it's true this is happening elsewhere, it needs to be said that if it happens to Cornell hockey, we will cease to be nationally competitive. What's held this program together the last few years has been guys not transferring out/leaving early even though those options were on the table.
Quote from: BearLoverIncorrect. Both Regush and Tupker graduated from Cornell. Says so right on their LinkedIn pages. Regush attended Miami for his master's degree in accounting. Tupker graduated from ILR and then went to Union for a graduate degree in economics.
This is something Regush could have done at Cornell, but as others have said or implied, a lot of it came down to COVID and uncertainty about whether the Ivys and many other schools were even going to participate in sports or allow grad student athletes
And it also came to them not wanting to stay the full four years or take a fifth year
Quote from: Icebergallow grad student athletes
What is the given rationale for this Ivy rule, BTW? I mean, I get that
everything we do is to polish the snobbery discriminator that makes idiots in Mineola pay 5x the tuition for an undergrad business degree they could get at SUNY, but why do we shoot ourselves in the dick on graduate students of all people? They are, by definition, good scholars. I think it actually works
against the brand to so publicly fuck them.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Icebergallow grad student athletes
What is the given rationale for this Ivy rule, BTW? I mean, I get that everything we do is to polish the snobbery discriminator that makes idiots in Mineola pay 5x the tuition for an undergrad business degree they could get at SUNY, but why do we shoot ourselves in the dick on graduate students of all people? They are, by definition, good scholars. I think it actually works against the brand to so publicly fuck them.
i think it historically has been about how the ivy league wants to incorporate athletics into the larger academic picture. it is intentionally indifferent to whether it affects competitiveness at the national level. i'm not making a value judgment about it but the people who created the rule certainly were. given the increasing profile of college sports, and the ivies very clearly being intentional about wanting to be competitive in the current landscape, it will be interesting to see how the irresistable force of tradition takes on the immovable object of capitalism.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Icebergallow grad student athletes
What is the given rationale for this Ivy rule, BTW? I mean, I get that everything we do is to polish the snobbery discriminator that makes idiots in Mineola pay 5x the tuition for an undergrad business degree they could get at SUNY, but why do we shoot ourselves in the dick on graduate students of all people? They are, by definition, good scholars. I think it actually works against the brand to so publicly fuck them.
i think it historically has been about how the ivy league wants to incorporate athletics into the larger academic picture. it is intentionally indifferent to whether it affects competitiveness at the national level. i'm not making a value judgment about it but the people who created the rule certainly were. given the increasing profile of college sports, and the ivies very clearly being intentional about wanting to be competitive in the current landscape, it will be interesting to see how the irresistable force of tradition takes on the immovable object of capitalism.
This is thread drift adjacent but this former penn basketball player has thoughts about the ivy league taking itself out of contention. http://www.thedp.com/article/2025/04/penn-basketball-fixing-a-non-problem
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Icebergallow grad student athletes
What is the given rationale for this Ivy rule, BTW? I mean, I get that everything we do is to polish the snobbery discriminator that makes idiots in Mineola pay 5x the tuition for an undergrad business degree they could get at SUNY, but why do we shoot ourselves in the dick on graduate students of all people? They are, by definition, good scholars. I think it actually works against the brand to so publicly fuck them.
i think it historically has been about how the ivy league wants to incorporate athletics into the larger academic picture. it is intentionally indifferent to whether it affects competitiveness at the national level. i'm not making a value judgment about it but the people who created the rule certainly were. given the increasing profile of college sports, and the ivies very clearly being intentional about wanting to be competitive in the current landscape, it will be interesting to see how the irresistable force of tradition takes on the immovable object of capitalism.
Have you been following the news? Columbia, Harvard, Penn can hardly raise the white flag fast enough. ::deadhorse::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Icebergallow grad student athletes
What is the given rationale for this Ivy rule, BTW? I mean, I get that everything we do is to polish the snobbery discriminator that makes idiots in Mineola pay 5x the tuition for an undergrad business degree they could get at SUNY, but why do we shoot ourselves in the dick on graduate students of all people? They are, by definition, good scholars. I think it actually works against the brand to so publicly fuck them.
i think it historically has been about how the ivy league wants to incorporate athletics into the larger academic picture. it is intentionally indifferent to whether it affects competitiveness at the national level. i'm not making a value judgment about it but the people who created the rule certainly were. given the increasing profile of college sports, and the ivies very clearly being intentional about wanting to be competitive in the current landscape, it will be interesting to see how the irresistable force of tradition takes on the immovable object of capitalism.
Have you been following the news? Columbia, Harvard, Penn can hardly raise the white flag fast enough. ::deadhorse::
i know that they are similar but the venn diagram of fascism and capitalism aren't a *perfect* circle
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Icebergallow grad student athletes
What is the given rationale for this Ivy rule, BTW? I mean, I get that everything we do is to polish the snobbery discriminator that makes idiots in Mineola pay 5x the tuition for an undergrad business degree they could get at SUNY, but why do we shoot ourselves in the dick on graduate students of all people? They are, by definition, good scholars. I think it actually works against the brand to so publicly fuck them.
i think it historically has been about how the ivy league wants to incorporate athletics into the larger academic picture. it is intentionally indifferent to whether it affects competitiveness at the national level. i'm not making a value judgment about it but the people who created the rule certainly were. given the increasing profile of college sports, and the ivies very clearly being intentional about wanting to be competitive in the current landscape, it will be interesting to see how the irresistable force of tradition takes on the immovable object of capitalism.
This is thread drift adjacent but this former penn basketball player has thoughts about the ivy league taking itself out of contention. http://www.thedp.com/article/2025/04/penn-basketball-fixing-a-non-problem
Not that this is original thinking, but it seems apparent that it will be increasingly difficult to the Ivies to maintain D1 level competitiveness in basketball and hockey as pay to play takes over as the prevailing model. The only way to have a chance to avoid that trend will be for the Ivies to at least some semblance of NIL policies that can help lure and retain D1 quality athletes. I don't get a sense that the Ivy leadership in inclined to take that path.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: sah67Quote from: BearLoverI'm also really worried about Robertson's decision setting a precedent for non-graduates transferring out, which never happened at all under Schafer.
Justin Milo, Mike Regush, Joe Leahy...I'm sure there are others I'm not recalling at the moment.
Not counting those who transferred out during the canceled season. Also, I believe Regush and Leahy graduated. I said "non-graduate."
Regush transfered after his junior year (the COVID season). He was a senior at Miami Ohio, not a grad student. And yup: Ben Tupker is also in the same boat.
Incorrect. Both Regush and Tupker graduated from Cornell. Says so right on their LinkedIn pages. Regush attended Miami for his master's degree in accounting. Tupker graduated from ILR and then went to Union for a graduate degree in economics.
I'm sure I knew that at some point, but I apparently forgot. Carry on.
I wonder whether any of the accelerated graduations were aided by credits earned while playing in the USHL after graduating from high school.
Senor Ugarte — I was fast clicking through this oh-yeah=sez-you thread, then you crashed the party and made a common-sense point. Gad, so jarring.
Quote from: billhowardSenor Ugarte — I was fast clicking through this oh-yeah=sez-you thread, then you crashed the party and made a common-sense point. Gad, so jarring.
i apologize it won't happen again
Jesus. Trotsky realizing he's not the most deeply cynical person in a thread for once: ::scared::
I think the Ivies may eventually "do the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities." The grad student restriction is even more pathetically stupid Dignity Theatre than what we usually do to burnish the Pick Me academia knob, so they may quietly let it expire.
That we ever grow up enough to fully separate students from revenue-generating circus performers is unlikely -- the payoff is too high. But it's an uncomfortable world being less hypocritical than Alabama.
Quote from: TrotskyJesus. Trotsky realizing he's not the most deeply cynical person in a thread for once: ::scared::
I think the Ivies may eventually "do the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities." The grad student restriction is even more pathetically stupid Dignity Theatre than what we usually do to burnish the Pick Me academia knob, so they may quietly let it expire.
Ivy football is finally, begrudgingly, allowing its champ to participate in the FCS (Div. I-AA) playoffs, starting with the 2025 season. It only took 47 years, so yeah, there's hope.
with budget cuts who knows whats sports will be left
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Icebergallow grad student athletes
What is the given rationale for this Ivy rule, BTW? I mean, I get that everything we do is to polish the snobbery discriminator that makes idiots in Mineola pay 5x the tuition for an undergrad business degree they could get at SUNY, but why do we shoot ourselves in the dick on graduate students of all people? They are, by definition, good scholars. I think it actually works against the brand to so publicly fuck them.
i think it historically has been about how the ivy league wants to incorporate athletics into the larger academic picture. it is intentionally indifferent to whether it affects competitiveness at the national level. i'm not making a value judgment about it but the people who created the rule certainly were. given the increasing profile of college sports, and the ivies very clearly being intentional about wanting to be competitive in the current landscape, it will be interesting to see how the irresistable force of tradition takes on the immovable object of capitalism.
Have you been following the news? Columbia, Harvard, Penn can hardly raise the white flag fast enough. ::deadhorse::
i know that they are similar but the venn diagram of fascism and capitalism aren't a *perfect* circle
Add in malignant narcisism, and you get pretty close.
Cowichan valley is playing their fourth game in six days and roest still can't sniff playing time even after dropping down leagues. I don't have much trust for him or Katz at this point so hopefully Keopple steps up next year and we can recruit a stud for 2026/27.
Quote from: chimpfoodCowichan valley is playing their fourth game in six days and roest still can't sniff playing time even after dropping down leagues. I don't have much trust for him or Katz at this point so hopefully Keopple steps up next year and we can recruit a stud for 2026/27.
reading the kovich article i saw that umd had a goalie in the portal. maybe a trade?
Quote from: CASWishart is currently a freshman at Middlebury College.
I had heard this as well but he plays for the St Cloud Norsemen in the NAHL. Since 1/24 he's got 12g/14a/26 pts in 24 games. Don't think he's coming to Cornell but would hope he gets to play somewhere.
End of regular season lines for our USHL guys, in order of my favorite to least favorite recruit:
Xavier Veilleux(D): 61 games, 8 goals, 33 assists, 41 points, +24, 30 PIM.
I really like Veilleux because a. We stole him from Harvard and b. I think he can fill the offensive void that we have on defense right now after losing Rego and Robertson, I think he is a sure bet to come next year and hopefully can produce right away.
Aiden Long (F): 62 games, 22 goals, 37 assists, 59 PIM.
I like Long as a prospect but the penalty minutes scare me, you really cant play like that in college when each game is so important. He's a great scorer and wears the A for his team. Can also be counted on to come in next year and should produce immediately.
Gio Diguilian (F): 58 games, 22 goals, 29 assists, 51 points, 32 PIM.
For me Diguilian marks the end of our top tier of recruits. The one thing that concerns me is his weight, 6 feet 160 sounds a little small to thrive in the ECAC which is why I put Long above him. But, He's pretty much a point a game which is very impressive and he should be another guy that definitely comes next year and produces.
Cole Tuminaro (D): 1 game, 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, +1, 2 PIM.
It feels like cheating to include Tuminaro but he exclusively play in the USHL this season, presumably getting a season ending injury in his first game. I would wager that he stays in the juniors another year given that he only turned 18 in January but I really like this kid as a prospect when he does come. He was on some NHL draft rankings at some point if I remember correctly.
Hudson Gorski (D): 59 games, 3 goals, 16 assists, 19 points, -2, 94 PIM.
I could see Gorski being a good all around defenseman for us but again the penalty minutes are ridiculous and not going to be acceptable in college. He starts on his team so he is probably good defensively and has fine offensive numbers. I'm hopeful for him if he can fix that though and he probably comes and gets a spot in the lineup for us next year.
Alex Pelletier (F): 60 games, 16 goals, 21 assists, 37 points, 30 PIM.
Pelletier seems like a solid supporting player who could fit into a Jake Kraft type of role for this team, just a bit taller. He is also very likely to come in for next season.
Henry Major (F): 54 games, 4 goals, 7 assists, 11 points, 12 PIM.
Charlie's brother, of course. Although I'm sure he's eager to join his brother he certainly needs at least one more year in the juniors, and he just turned 18. Not too worried about the point production for a young guy but he's only 5 foot 8 which isn't ideal. We'll probably see him in 26 or 27.
Micheal Sandruck (F): 43 games, 5 goals, 5 assists, 10 points, 146 PIM.
Another guy with a ridiculous penalty minutes total and he certainly does not have the points to back it up. He's 19 so I hope we can get him another year in the juniors before we see him here. Just not enough production to entice me to want to have him here in the fall.
That's all of our guys that ended the season in the USHL, I'll probably do the same thing for the BCHL when it ends.
Alex Pelletier - son of JM Pelletier?
Do these guys play in leagues with fighting with the higher penalty minutes?
All it takes is a couple 10min Misconducts to really skew the numbers as well.
Quote from: The RancorAlex Pelletier - son of JM Pelletier?
Alex born Grandy, CT Jun 01, 2005. JHean-Marc was playing for Springfield, MA. Driving distance 24 miles.
Let's say 67% chance of yes.
Quote from: chimpfoodEnd of regular season lines for our USHL guys, in order of my favorite to least favorite recruit:
Xavier Veilleux(D): 61 games, 8 goals, 33 assists, 41 points, +24, 30 PIM.
I really like Veilleux because a. We stole him from Harvard and b. I think he can fill the offensive void that we have on defense right now after losing Rego and Robertson, I think he is a sure bet to come next year and hopefully can produce right away.
Aiden Long (F): 62 games, 22 goals, 37 assists, 59 PIM.
I like Long as a prospect but the penalty minutes scare me, you really cant play like that in college when each game is so important. He's a great scorer and wears the A for his team. Can also be counted on to come in next year and should produce immediately.
Gio Diguilian (F): 58 games, 22 goals, 29 assists, 51 points, 32 PIM.
For me Diguilian marks the end of our top tier of recruits. The one thing that concerns me is his weight, 6 feet 160 sounds a little small to thrive in the ECAC which is why I put Long above him. But, He's pretty much a point a game which is very impressive and he should be another guy that definitely comes next year and produces.
Cole Tuminaro (D): 1 game, 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, +1, 2 PIM.
It feels like cheating to include Tuminaro but he exclusively play in the USHL this season, presumably getting a season ending injury in his first game. I would wager that he stays in the juniors another year given that he only turned 18 in January but I really like this kid as a prospect when he does come. He was on some NHL draft rankings at some point if I remember correctly.
Hudson Gorski (D): 59 games, 3 goals, 16 assists, 19 points, -2, 94 PIM.
I could see Gorski being a good all around defenseman for us but again the penalty minutes are ridiculous and not going to be acceptable in college. He starts on his team so he is probably good defensively and has fine offensive numbers. I'm hopeful for him if he can fix that though and he probably comes and gets a spot in the lineup for us next year.
Alex Pelletier (F): 60 games, 16 goals, 21 assists, 37 points, 30 PIM.
Pelletier seems like a solid supporting player who could fit into a Jake Kraft type of role for this team, just a bit taller. He is also very likely to come in for next season.
Henry Major (F): 54 games, 4 goals, 7 assists, 11 points, 12 PIM.
Charlie's brother, of course. Although I'm sure he's eager to join his brother he certainly needs at least one more year in the juniors, and he just turned 18. Not too worried about the point production for a young guy but he's only 5 foot 8 which isn't ideal. We'll probably see him in 26 or 27.
Micheal Sandruck (F): 43 games, 5 goals, 5 assists, 10 points, 146 PIM.
Another guy with a ridiculous penalty minutes total and he certainly does not have the points to back it up. He's 19 so I hope we can get him another year in the juniors before we see him here. Just not enough production to entice me to want to have him here in the fall.
That's all of our guys that ended the season in the USHL, I'll probably do the same thing for the BCHL when it ends.
Tuminaro has been on both NHL central scouting rankings so far. Though, in the midterm rankings he was listed under "limited viewing" because of his injury. Because he's been out all season, he probably won't get drafted and will need to spend another year in juniors. We will really need to hope he is able to recover and reach his (apparently very high) potential.
As for the penalty minutes, it's probably a function of fighting and game misconducts more than bad discipline.
I am pretty sure Vellieux, DiGiulian, Long, Pelletier, Gorski come next year, and the others the following year.
You guys are right about the fighting causing the high penalty minutes, sorry about that, I forgot the U allows fighting
DiGiulian is listed at 178 lbs by his USHL team,
the Lincoln Stars. Gio has also been ranked by NHL Central Scouting.
Our recruiting looks good in general BTW.
My worry is that the bar has been raised a lot due to CHL players becoming eligible. Guys averaging a point per game in the USHL still project to be good college players. But now opponents won't have a bunch of NAHL guys but rather CHL guys. So we need to improve our own recruiting at the same rate to keep up.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorAlex Pelletier - son of JM Pelletier?
Alex born Grandy, CT Jun 01, 2005. JHean-Marc was playing for Springfield, MA. Driving distance 24 miles.
Let's say 67% chance of yes.
Pretty sure it's no. In 2011 looks like he only had a daughter and she not yet college aged
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2011/12/nhl-player-returns-cornell-finish-degree
Looks like one recruit made the NHL Central Scouting Final Rankings: Gio DiGiulian at 132nd. Gio was on last year's list too but went undrafted. It doesn't seem too common for someone to make the list a second year after they went undrafted the first year, so Gio must have looked impressive in the USHL this season.
Cole Tuminaro dropped off the rankings after being injured the whole season. Awful luck for him. Maybe he will get another shot next year.
Even though having just one recruit on the list isn't great, I believe nobody born after 9/15/07 is eligible, so that excludes Kirkwood, Emerson, DiPlacido, Peckham, and Broderick. And then the rest of our recruits are mostly overeagers who were already eligible in one or more past years. Veilleux was already drafted. So it's not too surprising we don't have a great representation this year.
Still, I'd like to see recruiting pick up. William Moore, whose family attended Cornell and whose grandfather was a Cornell professor chose, BC over Cornell. He is 29th in the rankings.
With the addition of Vellieux & Fisher, we should have 7 drafted players on next year's team. If DiGuilian gets drafted, we will have 8. When was the last year Cornell had 8 or more draftees on the team? Long, Pirtle, & Hiscock all had outstanding years, but assume are too old to be drafted.
Quote from: CASWith the addition of Vellieux & Fisher, we should have 7 drafted players on next year's team. If DiGuilian gets drafted, we will have 8. When was the last year Cornell had 8 or more draftees on the team? Long, Pirtle, & Hiscock all had outstanding years, but assume are too old to be drafted.
I think Cornell had 9+ drafted players at points in the mid-2000s. We were recruiting amazingly back then. We also had several first and second round picks during that time. (There were more draft rounds back then though.) In the mid-2010s we again saw a bunch of players drafted.
Looking at the draft history on the cornell athletics website, you can see this on display. In the twenty years from 1999 and 2019, only one single year (2010) did we have nobody drafted. Recruiting seems to have peaked in the early 2000s, when we averaged well over two players drafted per draft including eight in 2003 and 2004 combined.
We are currently staring at possibly the first two consecutive years of no Cornellian drafted since 1995 and 1996.
With that said, I don't think we've had 8 drafted players on the same team since 2015 or so.
For what it's worth, last year DiGiulian was 124th in the rankings and went undrafted. Maybe it is a little worse than a coin flip that he gets drafted this year.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CASWith the addition of Vellieux & Fisher, we should have 7 drafted players on next year's team. If DiGuilian gets drafted, we will have 8. When was the last year Cornell had 8 or more draftees on the team? Long, Pirtle, & Hiscock all had outstanding years, but assume are too old to be drafted.
I think Cornell had 9+ drafted players at points in the mid-2000s. We were recruiting amazingly back then. We also had several first and second round picks during that time. (There were more draft rounds back then though.) In the mid-2010s we again saw a bunch of players drafted.
Looking at the draft history on the cornell athletics website, you can see this on display. In the twenty years from 1999 and 2019, only one single year (2010) did we have nobody drafted. Recruiting seems to have peaked in the early 2000s, when we averaged well over two players drafted per draft including eight in 2003 and 2004 combined.
We are currently staring at possibly the first two consecutive years of no Cornellian drafted since 1995 and 1996.
With that said, I don't think we've had 8 drafted players on the same team since 2015 or so.
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_Draft.html
You are obviously omitting the two drafted players coming next year - both who were drafted in prior years. When was the last year a Cornell team had 3 players drafted in the first 3 rounds?
One player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
Quote from: CASYou are obviously omitting the two drafted players coming next year - both who were drafted in prior years. When was the last year a Cornell team had 3 players drafted in the first 3 rounds?
Oh I forgot Veilleux. You are right. He should count. In that case we did have a player drafted last year.
Quote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
His freshman year couldn't have been that bad, given he was drafted right after it ended.
I forgot that he was drafted after his freshman year.
He wasn't bad at all. Just not terribly impressive. Showed some capability shooting and passing, though he wasn't a noticeable puck handler. Respectable defensively, but didn't really use his size well.
He was big and not bad, and that must project well (if you're 6'5" and move in a way that isn't described as lumbering, you get attention). But he also wasn't really a huge loss when he left early, as far as I remember.
Would also be nice to recruit guys from Ithaca better. Jack parsons and cooper Dennis would be really nice to have as recruits but they are headed to providence and Michigan. I can understand losing a guy to Michigan but a good player from Ithaca going to providence instead of Cornell, come on.
Quote from: CASYou are obviously omitting the two drafted players coming next year - both who were drafted in prior years. When was the last year a Cornell team had 3 players drafted in the first 3 rounds?
I think 2005 and 2006 were the last two years. Pokuluk (1st), Sawada (2nd), Hynes (3rd), O'Byrne (3rd) in 2005, and those four minus Hynes in 2006. Hynes went pro after his junior year so he wasn't there for 2006.
Quote from: chimpfoodWould also be nice to recruit guys from Ithaca better. Jack parsons and cooper Dennis would be really nice to have as recruits but they are headed to providence and Michigan. I can understand losing a guy to Michigan but a good player from Ithaca going to providence instead of Cornell, come on.
Wow, I didn't know about Parsons. Literally from Cortland. It's nuts that Harvard pulls some of the best players from a city as big as Boston, but we can't even get the best players from tiny Ithaca/Cortland.
Losing Dennis really sucked as well. He attended Cornell hockey games as a kid. I believe his family sort of knows Topher as well. Maybe they attended his camp in Ithaca. But we still didn't land him.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodWould also be nice to recruit guys from Ithaca better. Jack parsons and cooper Dennis would be really nice to have as recruits but they are headed to providence and Michigan. I can understand losing a guy to Michigan but a good player from Ithaca going to providence instead of Cornell, come on.
Wow, I didn't know about Parsons. Literally from Cortland. It's nuts that Harvard pulls some of the best players from a city as big as Boston, but we can't even get the best players from tiny Ithaca/Cortland.
Losing Dennis really sucked as well. He attended Cornell hockey games as a kid. I believe his family sort of knows Topher as well. Maybe they attended his camp in Ithaca. But we still didn't land him.
Parsons was the one who stood on his head and almost stole the game when we played the USNTDP last year. Elite prospects says he's from Ithaca not cortland.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodWould also be nice to recruit guys from Ithaca better. Jack parsons and cooper Dennis would be really nice to have as recruits but they are headed to providence and Michigan. I can understand losing a guy to Michigan but a good player from Ithaca going to providence instead of Cornell, come on.
Wow, I didn't know about Parsons. Literally from Cortland. It's nuts that Harvard pulls some of the best players from a city as big as Boston, but we can't even get the best players from tiny Ithaca/Cortland.
Losing Dennis really sucked as well. He attended Cornell hockey games as a kid. I believe his family sort of knows Topher as well. Maybe they attended his camp in Ithaca. But we still didn't land him.
Having grown up in a tiny town, I can tell you that kids from tiny towns tend to want to leave the tiny town.
Boston people tend to be cult-like in their devotion to all things Boston, even the mediocre things about it.
One of the issues Cornell and the Ivies have is getting recruits through admissions on short notice. Is there recent precedent for a player committing to Cornell in the spring and arriving on campus the following fall? A billion high scoring CHL players recently committed to Clarkson and Quinnipiac and will be coming in the fall. Is that option even on the table for Cornell? If not, it would kind of kill their ability to get anybody out of the portal too. Maybe it's not as big an issue as I imagine, though. This team badly needs another player or two for next year, particularly on D.
Quote from: BearLoverOne of the issues Cornell and the Ivies have is getting recruits through admissions on short notice. Is there recent precedent for a player committing to Cornell in the spring and arriving on campus the following fall? A billion high scoring CHL players recently committed to Clarkson and Quinnipiac and will be coming in the fall. Is that option even on the table for Cornell? If not, it would kind of kill their ability to get anybody out of the portal too. Maybe it's not as big an issue as I imagine, though. This team badly needs another player or two for next year, particularly on D.
When North Dakota cut its women's team (in late March, I think), Cornell was able to get one of its incoming players into school that fall as a freshman (Willow Slobodzian).
Quote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
I don't remember concussions, although that would explain things. I remember him never putting it together.
He felt Fegares-ish -- highly touted, not greatly delivering.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
I don't remember concussions, although that would explain things. I remember him never putting it together.
He felt Fegares-ish -- highly touted, not greatly delivering.
Fegaras is pretty good. Breaks it out well, plays on the second PP. Will have a much bigger role next season.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
I don't remember concussions, although that would explain things. I remember him never putting it together.
He felt Fegares-ish -- highly touted, not greatly delivering.
Fegaras is pretty good. Breaks it out well, plays on the second PP. Will have a much bigger role next season.
I hope so. He certainly has the opportunity now.
I did read someplace the incoming NU D was the PP anchor at his last team, but I could also see Fegares challenge for that role.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
I don't remember concussions, although that would explain things. I remember him never putting it together.
He felt Fegares-ish -- highly touted, not greatly delivering.
Fegaras is pretty good. Breaks it out well, plays on the second PP. Will have a much bigger role next season.
I hope so. He certainly has the opportunity now.
I did read someplace the incoming NU D was the PP anchor at his last team, but I could also see Fegares challenge for that role.
Seems Vellieux may be our next PP guy from the blueline.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
I don't remember concussions, although that would explain things. I remember him never putting it together.
He felt Fegares-ish -- highly touted, not greatly delivering.
Fegaras is pretty good. Breaks it out well, plays on the second PP. Will have a much bigger role next season.
I hope so. He certainly has the opportunity now.
I did read someplace the incoming NU D was the PP anchor at his last team, but I could also see Fegares challenge for that role.
Seems Vellieux may be our next PP guy from the blueline.
Maybe it was him.
Quote from: BearLoverFegaras is pretty good. Breaks it out well, plays on the second PP. Will have a much bigger role next season.
I think his thumb injury lingered through the whole season.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
He got his head rung in his first or second game as a pro- might have even been in the pre-season. He's still playing in the LNAH I believe.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneOne player doesn't mean anything, but now is as good as time as any to note that our highest draft pick ever (14th overall), Sasha Pokulok, played two alright-but-not-great seasons for Cornell then never made the NHL.
IIRC Pokulok was pretty good at Cornell but had concussion/injury issues in some of his early years in the pros before decamping overseas.
He got his head rung in his first or second game as a pro- might have even been in the pre-season. He's still playing in the LNAH I believe.
hockey db doesn't have anything after 2023
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: BearLoverFegaras is pretty good. Breaks it out well, plays on the second PP. Will have a much bigger role next season.
I think his thumb injury lingered through the whole season.
He's a terrific skater and had nearly 1/2 a point a game in the 30 games he did play. Also no stats but it feels like a lot of his assists were primary: he got the puck to the net for a tip-in or it went off a body. Looking forward to seeing what he can do next year.
Veilleux scores to help Muskegon to the second round. Our PP should be fine with him and Fegaras on the blue line.
Quote from: chimpfoodVeilleux scores to help Muskegon to the second round. Our PP should be fine with him and Fegaras on the blue line.
I've got to admit it's getting better, a little better all the time (it can't get no worse)
Quote from: RichHQuote from: chimpfoodVeilleux scores to help Muskegon to the second round. Our PP should be fine with him and Fegaras on the blue line.
I've got to admit it's getting better, a little better all the time (it can't get no worse)
Yeah, it can, but we're not talking about hockey then.
USHL playoffs today:
Veilleux 2 assists, Muskegon wins game one.
Pelletier 1 goal 2 assists, Lincoln goes up 2-0, DiGiulian an assist.
Quote from: chimpfoodUSHL playoffs today:
Veilleux 2 assists, Muskegon wins game one.
Pelletier 1 goal 2 assists, Lincoln goes up 2-0, DiGiulian an assist.
Our higher end guys coming next year look good
I still believe we are one F, one D, and most importantly one G away from being a class above the non-Q teams in the ECAC
I'm optimistic about our recruiting. We have a lot of guys who are producing in juniors who are coming next year. And then we have a younger crop of recruits, many of whom are currently playing in or soon headed to the CHL (eg. Kirkwood, Emerton, Dec, DiPlacido), who seem to have potential. We also have some guys who aren't really producing, but you can't expect every commitment to be a home run.
I worry about a lag period of a couple of years where we suffer from the following issues:
—mass exodus of talent from graduating seniors, early departures, and Robertson's transfer
—goalie issues
—inability to bring in quick fixes via CHL/portal (other teams with these issues can fix them immediately via CHL overagers/portal)
In exchange I hope we are bringing in want to be here, and stay here, which unfortunately has not always been the case lately.
Caton Ryan with the game-winning goal &
1st star in Vees BCHL playoff win last nite.
Veilleux 1 assist, Muskegon up 2-0 in the series
Heisenberg for some strange reason lists Michael Fisher as having committed to Notre Dame. I assume this is just a mistake, because everything else I can find on the internet says Cornell. Heisenberg lists the commitment as 4/2/25, but that is the same day the Penticton Vees official instagram account posted about him committing to Cornell.
Quote from: BearLoverHeisenberg for some strange reason lists Michael Fisher as having committed to Notre Dame. I assume this is just a mistake, because everything else I can find on the internet says Cornell. Heisenberg lists the commitment as 4/2/25, but that is the same day the Penticton Vees official instagram account posted about him committing to Cornell.
Has anyone contacted Heisenberg about this?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverHeisenberg for some strange reason lists Michael Fisher as having committed to Notre Dame. I assume this is just a mistake, because everything else I can find on the internet says Cornell. Heisenberg lists the commitment as 4/2/25, but that is the same day the Penticton Vees official instagram account posted about him committing to Cornell.
Has anyone contacted Heisenberg about this?
uncertain
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverHeisenberg for some strange reason lists Michael Fisher as having committed to Notre Dame. I assume this is just a mistake, because everything else I can find on the internet says Cornell. Heisenberg lists the commitment as 4/2/25, but that is the same day the Penticton Vees official instagram account posted about him committing to Cornell.
Has anyone contacted Heisenberg about this?
uncertain
I hate you.
From Heisenberg's list for 2027 and https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ-QFiupDrr/
Anthony Dontigny
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/870105/anthony-dontigny
We are going to need to translate our cheers to French.
Quote from: ursusminorFrom Heisenberg's list for 2027 and https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ-QFiupDrr/
Anthony Dontigny
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/870105/anthony-dontigny
A CHL player, from the spectacularly-named Shawinigan Cataractes. The pretty waterfall; not the gross eye condition.
He's gonna feel right at home at the gorge.
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Quote from: TrotskyWe are going to need to translate our cheers to French.
Voici -
Hé [Nom du gardien], vous n'êtes pas un gardien de but, vous êtes une passoire!
Vous n'êtes pas une passoire, vous êtes un entonnoir!
Vous n'êtes pas un entonnoir, vous êtes un aspirateur!
Vous n'êtes pas un aspirateur, vous êtes un trou noir!
Vous n'êtes pas un trou noir...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!
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Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe are going to need to translate our cheers to French.
Voici -
Hé [Nom du gardien], vous n'êtes pas un gardien de but, vous êtes une passoire!
Vous n'êtes pas une passoire, vous êtes un entonnoir!
Vous n'êtes pas un entonnoir, vous êtes un aspirateur!
Vous n'êtes pas un aspirateur, vous êtes un trou noir!
Vous n'êtes pas un trou noir...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!
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Allez Le Rouge!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ursusminorFrom Heisenberg's list for 2027 and https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ-QFiupDrr/
Anthony Dontigny
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/870105/anthony-dontigny
A CHL player, from the spectacularly-named Shawinigan Cataractes. The pretty waterfall; not the gross eye condition.
He's gonna feel right at home at the gorge.
(https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/04/56/31/06/1000_F_456310631_p6C07DdwcLgkVOutgRWFGTpIJUh07wTK.jpg)
Until I saw your post, I thought this would be their mascot:
https://www.google.com/imgres?q=cataract%20glasses&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fabout-eyes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2FCataract-Glasses.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fabout-eyes.com%2Fwhat-to-expect-after-cataract-surgery%2F&docid=lHkH1FXUFafS3M&tbnid=cPxy1tKBSqWbDM&vet=12ahUKEwiEjZaoqL-NAxVxC3kGHWNWFEgQM3oECEwQAA..i&w=900&h=901&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwiEjZaoqL-NAxVxC3kGHWNWFEgQM3oECEwQAA
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe are going to need to translate our cheers to French.
Voici -
Hé [Nom du gardien], vous n'êtes pas un gardien de but, vous êtes une passoire!
Vous n'êtes pas une passoire, vous êtes un entonnoir!
Vous n'êtes pas un entonnoir, vous êtes un aspirateur!
Vous n'êtes pas un aspirateur, vous êtes un trou noir!
Vous n'êtes pas un trou noir...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!
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Vous? The sieve doesn't deserve respect lol. Tu n'es pas. Also, I think sieve is tamis. And I think just gardien is enough, no need for gardien de but...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe are going to need to translate our cheers to French.
Voici -
Hé [Nom du gardien], vous n'êtes pas un gardien de but, vous êtes une passoire!
Vous n'êtes pas une passoire, vous êtes un entonnoir!
Vous n'êtes pas un entonnoir, vous êtes un aspirateur!
Vous n'êtes pas un aspirateur, vous êtes un trou noir!
Vous n'êtes pas un trou noir...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!
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Vous? The sieve doesn't deserve respect lol. Tu n'es pas. Also, I think sieve is tamis. And I think just gardien is enough, no need for gardien de but...
Only on eLynah do the grammar police make corrections in French as well as English
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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe are going to need to translate our cheers to French.
Voici -
Hé [Nom du gardien], vous n'êtes pas un gardien de but, vous êtes une passoire!
Vous n'êtes pas une passoire, vous êtes un entonnoir!
Vous n'êtes pas un entonnoir, vous êtes un aspirateur!
Vous n'êtes pas un aspirateur, vous êtes un trou noir!
Vous n'êtes pas un trou noir...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!
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Vous? The sieve doesn't deserve respect lol. Tu n'es pas. Also, I think sieve is tamis. And I think just gardien is enough, no need for gardien de but...
Only on eLynah do the grammar police make corrections in French as well as English
:-D
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyWe are going to need to translate our cheers to French.
Voici -
Hé [Nom du gardien], vous n'êtes pas un gardien de but, vous êtes une passoire!
Vous n'êtes pas une passoire, vous êtes un entonnoir!
Vous n'êtes pas un entonnoir, vous êtes un aspirateur!
Vous n'êtes pas un aspirateur, vous êtes un trou noir!
Vous n'êtes pas un trou noir...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!...VOUS ÊTES JUSTE NUL!
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Vous? The sieve doesn't deserve respect lol. Tu n'es pas. Also, I think sieve is tamis. And I think just gardien is enough, no need for gardien de but...
I know a lot more hockey terms in German than French, but I think I've seen "passoire" used for "sieve" in the hockey sense. (Although when I google it, I get scare-mongering about border crossings.) See for example the handle of this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@LaPassoireCanadienne (home of one of my favorite non-Cornell hhighlight videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4rOOc6oe0k )
Gio Digiulian ranked #132 in the NHL draft prospects list.
Draft is Fri, Jun 27, 2025 – Sat, Jun 28, 2025, in LA. I did not know that. Islanders have the first pick overall. Rankings (https://www.nhl.com/draft/prospects).
Quote from: chimpfoodGio Digiulian ranked #132 in the NHL draft prospects list.
Cole Tuminaro finished the list with a Limited Viewing note. For local flavor, 2 Ithacan's are on the list: Will Moore #29 and Jack Parsons #10 (NA goalies).
Quote from: chimpfoodGio Digiulian ranked #132 in the NHL draft prospects list.
Digiulian went pretty cold after the rankings were released. He was ranked #124 last year and didn't get drafted. He looks like a great recruit but I'd be surprised if he hears his name called.
I think this answers the question of "Are we gonna pick up anyone from the CHL for next season?"
https://x.com/janemcnally_/status/1929275769546543159?s=42
And a goalie, no less.
Quote from: Chris H82I think this answers the question of "Are we gonna pick up anyone from the CHL for next season?"
https://x.com/janemcnally_/status/1929275769546543159?s=42
And a goalie, no less.
That'll provide an interesting dynamic. I still assume the job is Keopple's unless he isn't up to the task. EDIT: not sure if the kid is coming this fall, but perhaps that's unlikely.
That's fucking big time let's go. Wonder if we just let Roest walk because I want this kid in this fall. I could see a world where we leave him in the Q for another year though because he doesn't have much CHL experience still. After all of the short goalies we've had 6 feet 4 inches sounds sweet.
Quote from: chimpfoodThat's fucking big time let's go. Wonder if we just let Roest walk because I want this kid in this fall. I could see a world where we leave him in the Q for another year though because he doesn't have much CHL experience still. After all of the short goalies we've had 6 feet 4 inches sounds sweet.
I was really upset with how last season ended and in the aftermath I wanted us to bring in a transfer/CHL goalie for next season, but now that it's been a couple months and I've settled down, I think there's a lot to be said for staying loyal to your players and recruits. Shane was in Roest's position five years ago and if we had "let him walk" we would have missed out on the goalie who led us to our first two ECAC titles in the past 14 seasons. So I'm fine giving this new recruit (who looks great) another year in the CHL and rolling with whoever wins the spot next season among Keopple/Katz/Roest.
Found a highlight reel here: https://youtu.be/9HJRiXjPa4I?si=pxkjJfuZGxF2_ONj
He looks so poised and calm in the net.
Quote from: chimpfoodThat's fucking big time let's go. Wonder if we just let Roest walk because I want this kid in this fall. I could see a world where we leave him in the Q for another year though because he doesn't have much CHL experience still. After all of the short goalies we've had 6 feet 4 inches sounds sweet.
First tall keeper since Scrivens I think. Pet peeve for a long time. Excellent!
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodThat's fucking big time let's go. Wonder if we just let Roest walk because I want this kid in this fall. I could see a world where we leave him in the Q for another year though because he doesn't have much CHL experience still. After all of the short goalies we've had 6 feet 4 inches sounds sweet.
I was really upset with how last season ended and in the aftermath I wanted us to bring in a transfer/CHL goalie for next season, but now that it's been a couple months and I've settled down, I think there's a lot to be said for staying loyal to your players and recruits. Shane was in Roest's position five years ago and if we had "let him walk" we would have missed out on the goalie who led us to our first two ECAC titles in the past 14 seasons. So I'm fine giving this new recruit (who looks great) another year in the CHL and rolling with whoever wins the spot next season among Keopple/Katz/Roest.
Looks like we will find out more soon (does say "former...")). This interview looks like it will go live either noon or 5pm EST. I'm abroad so I'm not sure if it knows what time zone I'm in.
QuotePremieres Jun 2, 2025 Dump N' Chase Podcast
In this edition of the Dump N' Chase Podcast, Dylan Robillard sits down with former Cape Brenton Eagle, Cornell University commit, 2025 NHL Draft eligible goaltender Alexis Cournoyer in an exclusive one-on-one interview.
https://youtu.be/8beuZ2yyRo0?si=erSFMar5gPog-HUv
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: chimpfoodThat's fucking big time let's go. Wonder if we just let Roest walk because I want this kid in this fall. I could see a world where we leave him in the Q for another year though because he doesn't have much CHL experience still. After all of the short goalies we've had 6 feet 4 inches sounds sweet.
First tall keeper since Scrivens I think. Pet peeve for a long time. Excellent!
I am happy about this. Casey is not going to rock the boat regarding our well-known defensive culture, and I think a big goalie strongly benefits a team that limits shots.
I don't need a goalie that can stop breakaways, although it's nice; I need a goalie that stops
everything from outside and gets hit by a lot of pucks on the power play.
He's big. Really big.
Great stats in a tough league last year. Darwinian selection in practice. Love it.
Quote from: Chris H82I think this answers the question of "Are we gonna pick up anyone from the CHL for next season?"
https://x.com/janemcnally_/status/1929275769546543159?s=42
And a goalie, no less.
A GOALIE!!!
Quote from: chimpfoodFound a highlight reel here: https://youtu.be/9HJRiXjPa4I?si=pxkjJfuZGxF2_ONj
He looks so poised and calm in the net.
Oh
hell yeah.
I'm ok with running Keopple this year (Katz in the wings and possibly Roest) and then going Katz and Cournoyer next year. Interview in 25 mins. I'll be listening for SURE.
Cournoyer
Listening to the podcast rn. Here are my notes:
- Big boy. 6'4". Admits he's not as athletic as a Wolf or Saros but he takes up space in the net.
- Talked a lot about his journey. In 21 games this year at the Q level, starting after Christmas (!) he had a .942 and 1.82 GAA. He went 13-6-1 with 3 shutouts.
- In the playoffs... he was 0-2 with a .863.
- This is the only year he's played meaningful games in the Q. Before that, he was shuttling around triple A, QCHL, MJAHL.
- He was timesharing the net with Jakub Milota (NSH draft pick), seemed to take it over at stretches in January and March, and was the starter to begin the playoffs before losing the net 2 games in.
- Milota later backstopped the Eagles to that crazy 5OT win later in the series. More a fun fact than anything else.
- Habs/Price fan. Compares himself to Markstrom (compete level and style) and Hellebuyck (size and confidence).
- Mentions that "three months ago, he would have been happy with a USports offer" because "he had nothing" and he's a little blown away by all the serious offers he's been getting.
- On the draft: "Every time I expected something from somebody, I was disappointed. I don't want to be disappointed again. I expect nothing, I just want to know what the future holds for me."
- Sell yourself to an NHL team: "All these past few years, so many people passed on me - I don't want you guys to be the team that's going to pass on me and regret your decision."
- "I got the opportunity in Cape - when I got it, I took it. I don't want you guys to regret giving the opportunity to me."
- "The biggest thing about me, on and off the ice, is I took the opportunity. And I won't let you guys down."
NCAA:
- The offer from Cornell "really stood out" to him.
- He says he "has the option to come back at 20" (to the Q, presumably). Underlines that if he doesn't go this year, he'll go in his 21-year-old season. Will be "in the process" of going on the NCAA route.
- (Personally, imho, he could stand to marinate in the Q longer, especially given he's played only 20-something games at that level. But we'll see what Coach does with the goalies. Don't think carrying Keopple, Katz, Roest, AND Cournoyer is that good of an idea.)
- "I don't have a specific thing I'm better at [than others in my draft class], I just stop the puck more than anybody."
- More "good at everything" than "the best at something and not good at something else".
- On his training regimen: "You can't buy time in life." Doesn't want to spend time doing nothing when he can be training.
- "When I'm on the ice, I'm controlling the game."
- Would you rather score a goalie goal or get into a goalie fight? "I can't tell you that I wouldn't like to score a goal or get in a fight with a goalie, but I just want to win the Stanley Cup. That's the only thing I'm dreaming for, that's my goal."
- "I play golf, like every hockey player :D" "Do you consider yourself a good golfer?" "No :D"
I had not considered a guy announcing an NC$$ offer but staying CHL another year. That would be perfect.
The CHL's blue chippers are significantly better and more numerous than the NC$$, so if he wants more time to learn to shut them down I am just fine with that. He does seems extremely savvy and hockey career-oriented which suggests to me he won't be here 4 years, but you had me at 6-4 and mobile.
Doesn't this kid have to, you know, actually apply to the school and take, oh I don't know, the SAT?
Considering all of those deadlines are long long past, how can he matriculate in August?
Quote from: arugulaConsidering all of those deadlines are long long past, how can he matriculate in August?
He could have been proactive and taken the SAT knowing he might end up at an American college. As for an emergency back door into Cornell, no idea how that might work.
Quote from: TrotskyI had not considered a guy announcing an NC$$ offer but staying CHL another year. That would be perfect.
The CHL's blue chippers are significantly better and more numerous than the NC$$, so if he wants more time to learn to shut them down I am just fine with that. He does seems extremely savvy and hockey career-oriented which suggests to me he won't be here 4 years, but you had me at 6-4 and mobile.
I think we'll see more of that type soon! Hoping he stays another year, he'll have solid playtime in games in the CHL which we likely won't be able to give him. He might not stay 4 years but he'd probably need an NHL offer or at least a SOLID AHL one. We'll have to see if he gets drafted; I think he's ranked 16th among goalies?
Yeah after a day to mull it over I think leaving Cournoyer in the Q another year and bringing in Roest this fall is the move. I trust Keopple to hold down the job pretty well.
no opinion on when he comes. best man plays. goalie is a lonely position and backup is a rough place to end up but the best player plays for the good of the team.
Quote from: ugarteno opinion on when he comes. best man plays. goalie is a lonely position and backup is a rough place to end up but the best player plays for the good of the team.
Yeah, but it's better for his own development to play this year in the Q and then come to Cornell imho. Plays games against top talent instead of sitting on the bench. Plus, Keopple is penciled in as the starter this year and Cournoyer would be 3rd behind Katz. And while I like him as a person I'm still not sold on whether he'll be effective in the NCAA were he to get a chance - the Q is the weakest of the three CHL leagues and he only has like 20 games of experience there.
I just read this article on Clark Cup champion Xavier Veilleux (https://www.nhl.com/islanders/news/veilleux-caps-ushl-career-with-clark-cup).
Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.
Quote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.
Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx
Quote from: WederQuote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.
Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx
The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: WederQuote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.
Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx
The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Most likely is "i was told this job did not include math" or the late addition of Cournoyer and old copy that didn't get edited.Michael Fisher (Northeastern) and Luke Ashton (Minnesota State) are the two transfers. The error is that Fisher is listed with his Junior team.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: WederQuote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.
Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx
The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Fisher went back to juniors last year after playing the 2023-24 season with Northeastern.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: WederQuote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.
Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx
The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Fisher went back to juniors last year after playing the 2023-24 season with Northeastern.
Excellent, thank you. I even tried to find the answer here in the forum but apparently didn't put together the right search.
Wow I'm surprised that Arsenault, Ryan, McCrady and Hamilton are all coming in, I expected more like two of the four to come in. I was also definitely expecting Pelletier but now he's poised to be a big time USHL scorer, hopefully that's better for his development than being on the bench here. Massive group of newcomers, excited to see what they've got.
[gratuitous and poorly reasoned shot at bearlover's concerns about the shift from schafer to jones that converts his anxiety about change into a moral judgment]
Quote from: chimpfoodWow I'm surprised that Arsenault, Ryan, McCrady and Hamilton are all coming in, I expected more like two of the four to come in. I was also definitely expecting Pelletier but now he's poised to be a big time USHL scorer, hopefully that's better for his development than being on the bench here. Massive group of newcomers, excited to see what they've got.
No Pelletier is strange, he had a good year in the USHL, and in his stead we're bringing in some players who didn't really produce in juniors. It's almost like the staff likes recruits to play two years of juniors (Pelletier has only played one, and the other guys we're bringing in have already played two). Of course, players like Castagna and Barron never played junior hockey, and Pelletier's junior teammate DiGiulian is coming in after just one junior season, so if the staff thinks you're ready, they're willing to bring you in early. Perhaps they told Pelletier that he had the option of dominating the USHL or competing for a support role at Cornell, and he chose another year of juniors. It is possible a similar choice was posed to Pirtle last year—Pirtle was BCHL rookie of the year but played another year of juniors. And for the guys who have already played two years of juniors, the staff may believe there's not much more room to grow before matriculating.
There's a lot to digest about this class.
—no Pelletier, as discussed above.
—it's massive. 14 incoming recruits must be the largest in the history of Cornell hockey. The staff and leaders are going to have their work cut out for them getting everyone up to speed on the culture and expectations. Adding to the difficulty is that there is a new head coach, a new assistant coach, and very few seniors.
—Cournoyer is on his way to Ithaca. 4 goalies. I have never seen 4 goalies on our roster before. For purposes of winning hockey games, this is likely the right move. Particularly because, if Cornouyer is really good, we probably won't keep him four years anyway, so bringing him a year earlier could mean an extra season down the rosd. Seems pretty rough for Keopple/Katz/Roest but maybe one of them can beat out Cournoyer this year. Cournoyer will enter as the favorite though.
—In terms of player quality we likely have the second best team in the ECAC after Quinnipiac. But there are so many question marks. Not only do we have 14 new players but nobody really knows how to evaluate the influx of CHL players, particularly on Clarkson and Quinnipiac.
Numbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
One other thing I meant to say above is that bringing in more recruits opens up more slots for future recruits. I commend Schafer, Jones, and the rest of the staff for miraculously retaining every single recruit despite the coaching change. At most programs, a lot of recruits would decommit upon a coaching change, and moreover a new coach would tell existing recruits to take a hike. All 20 or so committed players at the time Schafer announced his retirement remain committed, even those who maybe didn't put up the junior results they were hoping for. On the other hand, the fact that all these recruits stayed loyal to Cornell, and that the new coaches stayed loyal to the recruits, makes Robertson's decision to transfer even more bananas.
Quote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Major was 16 last year. Is he changing numbers?
Quote from: BearLoverOne other thing I meant to say above is that bringing in more recruits opens up more slots for future recruits. I commend Schafer, Jones, and the rest of the staff for miraculously retaining every single recruit despite the coaching change. At most programs, a lot of recruits would decommit upon a coaching change, and moreover a new coach would tell existing recruits to take a hike. All 20 or so committed players at the time Schafer announced his retirement remain committed, even those who maybe didn't put up the junior results they were hoping for. On the other hand, the fact that all these recruits stayed loyal to Cornell, and that the new coaches stayed loyal to the recruits, makes Robertson's decision to transfer even more bananas.
Michigan is a much bigger program lmao. If they wanted him, playing there is a more "sure-fire" way to getting more eyes and eventually the possibility of an NHL deal. Plus the NIL specter. Plus iirc Mich graduated/lost almost all its good dmen.
Quote from: BearLover—it's massive. 14 incoming recruits must be the largest in the history of Cornell hockey. The staff and leaders are going to have their work cut out for them getting everyone up to speed on the culture and expectations. Adding to the difficulty is that there is a new head coach, a new assistant coach, and very few seniors.
IIRC, the incoming group in 1992-93 was also 14. Their senior year (1995-96) was Schafer's first and our first ECAC tournament title in a while.
Also disputing Cournoyer as the favorite. I think Keopple is the favorite, Cournoyer is either 2 or 3 in line depending how the team views Katz. Though I expect to see Cournoyer given the opportunity to seize the net at some point. It's possible they pulled him here with the idea that he'd work at the NCAA level this year and become the starter next year. Not sure if Roest is anything more than a 3 guy at this point.
Quote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
As per this (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/2023/7/30/mens-hockey-sweater-numbers.aspx), 40 is the highest number we've ever given out.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLover—it's massive. 14 incoming recruits must be the largest in the history of Cornell hockey. The staff and leaders are going to have their work cut out for them getting everyone up to speed on the culture and expectations. Adding to the difficulty is that there is a new head coach, a new assistant coach, and very few seniors.
IIRC, the incoming group in 1992-93 was also 14. Their senior year (1995-96) was Schafer's first and our first ECAC tournament title in a while.
Found a bigger one - 1975-76 incoming was
17 (which included Nethery and Shier). Crazy!
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Major listed as 9, good catch I didn't notice that.
Major was 16 last year. Is he changing numbers?
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverOne other thing I meant to say above is that bringing in more recruits opens up more slots for future recruits. I commend Schafer, Jones, and the rest of the staff for miraculously retaining every single recruit despite the coaching change. At most programs, a lot of recruits would decommit upon a coaching change, and moreover a new coach would tell existing recruits to take a hike. All 20 or so committed players at the time Schafer announced his retirement remain committed, even those who maybe didn't put up the junior results they were hoping for. On the other hand, the fact that all these recruits stayed loyal to Cornell, and that the new coaches stayed loyal to the recruits, makes Robertson's decision to transfer even more bananas.
Michigan is a much bigger program lmao. If they wanted him, playing there is a more "sure-fire" way to getting more eyes and eventually the possibility of an NHL deal. Plus the NIL specter. Plus iirc Mich graduated/lost almost all its good dmen.
Yes, there are reasons to play at Michigan. We all know they are a blue blood program. But Cornell has many other good players and recruits who didn't jump ship to a bigger program. Bancroft just signed a deal with the Bruins as an undrafted FA, I highly doubt "more eyes" for an NHL contract is a legitimate reason. It's not like scouts aren't coming to watch Cornell play (at least 8 draft picks next season with games against some of the better programs in college hockey). He didn't just need a reason to go to Michigan, he needed a reason to want to leave Cornell.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Major listed as 9, good catch I didn't notice that.
Major was 16 last year. Is he changing numbers?
Oh that's good, I was worried Major could possibly be leaving the program when I saw his number was available
Quote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Schaefer generally didn't want numbers beyond the standard 35. And I think prior to Schafer's tenure they may not have been allowed.
Quote from: stereaxMichigan is a much bigger program lmao. If they wanted him, playing there is a more "sure-fire" way to getting more eyes and eventually the possibility of an NHL deal. Plus the NIL specter. Plus iirc Mich graduated/lost almost all its good dmen.
I don't think it's about "eyes" - that's not an issue. The two big differences IMO are (a) NIL, or at least a scholarship and (b) for an undrafted player, better competition on a weekly basis to show that he can make the jump. Probably a lot more (a) than (b) because making the NHL is such a longshot for most of the NCAA.
(Seeing that bearlover answered before me: I suspect getting noticed as a UDFA can be trickier for a dman. I can see the value in showing how you handle the pressure / speed of better opposition since your scoring is secondary to whether you can keep up at the next level.)
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: stereaxMichigan is a much bigger program lmao. If they wanted him, playing there is a more "sure-fire" way to getting more eyes and eventually the possibility of an NHL deal. Plus the NIL specter. Plus iirc Mich graduated/lost almost all its good dmen.
I don't think it's about "eyes" - that's not an issue. The two big differences IMO are (a) NIL, or at least a scholarship and (b) for an undrafted player, better competition on a weekly basis to show that he can make the jump. Probably a lot more (a) than (b) because making the NHL is such a longshot for most of the NCAA.
(Seeing that bearlover answered before me: I suspect getting noticed as a UDFA can be trickier for a dman. I can see the value in showing how you handle the pressure / speed of better opposition since your scoring is secondary to whether you can keep up at the next level.)
Robertson was invited to Bruins camp this year. He's not flying under any radars.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Major was 16 last year. Is he changing numbers?
16 to 9
Quote from: cbuckserQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Major was 16 last year. Is he changing numbers?
16 to 9
Interestingly, Major's uncle Mark wore #16 when he played for Cornell in the 80s. But Major chose to switch to 9, which was his number in juniors with the Chicago Steel.
Quote from: stereaxAlso disputing Cournoyer as the favorite. I think Keopple is the favorite, Cournoyer is either 2 or 3 in line depending how the team views Katz. Though I expect to see Cournoyer given the opportunity to seize the net at some point. It's possible they pulled him here with the idea that he'd work at the NCAA level this year and become the starter next year. Not sure if Roest is anything more than a 3 guy at this point.
I hope Keopple wins the starting job because I like when loyal upperclassmen succeed. But Cournoyer's junior numbers and NHL draft prospects are on another level. Keopple may start game 1 but I expect Cournoyer to take over as the season progresses. Again, it would be cool if I'm wrong here. Not sure what the basis is for thinking Katz>Roest, both struggled in juniors but so did Shane, it's not the end of the world and goalies are very hard to project.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLover—it's massive. 14 incoming recruits must be the largest in the history of Cornell hockey. The staff and leaders are going to have their work cut out for them getting everyone up to speed on the culture and expectations. Adding to the difficulty is that there is a new head coach, a new assistant coach, and very few seniors.
IIRC, the incoming group in 1992-93 was also 14. Their senior year (1995-96) was Schafer's first and our first ECAC tournament title in a while.
Found a bigger one - 1975-76 incoming was 17 (which included Nethery and Shier). Crazy!
Remember that in the early 70's teams would recruit 25-30 players per year for their freshman team. I'm glad those days are over. I can't imagine telling 20 plus kids that they all had a great shot at the team as sophomores.
Quote from: stereaxAlso disputing Cournoyer as the favorite. I think Keopple is the favorite, Cournoyer is either 2 or 3 in line depending how the team views Katz. Though I expect to see Cournoyer given the opportunity to seize the net at some point. It's possible they pulled him here with the idea that he'd work at the NCAA level this year and become the starter next year. Not sure if Roest is anything more than a 3 guy at this point.
Nothing wrong with working in a platoon. It doesn't have to be 50-50, but I like having more than one battle-tested and used to the level should an injury occur.
2001-02 saw an experienced Matt Underhill and a young & skilled David Leneveu split time very effectively.
Quote from: ugarte[gratuitous and poorly reasoned shot at bearlover's concerns about the shift from schafer to jones that converts his anxiety about change into a moral judgment]
While fair, let's declare Jubilee and give everybody grace for a new year, a new coach, a new era. "What a difference in this generation!" ::banana::
Remember too that while Mike liked to go with a #1, Casey may prefer a platoon, as I do, being highly risk averse.
Look no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
Cornell may add to the 8 draft picks on its '25-'26 roster with both DiGuilian & Courneyer ranked on the final NHL Central Scouting list.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarte[gratuitous and poorly reasoned shot at bearlover's concerns about the shift from schafer to jones that converts his anxiety about change into a moral judgment]
While fair, let's declare Jubilee and give everybody grace for a new year, a new coach, a new era. "What a difference in this generation!" ::banana::
And now that the men's lacrosse team has gotten that 48-year-old monkey off our back, it's a new era for men's and women's hockey to take care of business!
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: stereaxAlso disputing Cournoyer as the favorite. I think Keopple is the favorite, Cournoyer is either 2 or 3 in line depending how the team views Katz. Though I expect to see Cournoyer given the opportunity to seize the net at some point. It's possible they pulled him here with the idea that he'd work at the NCAA level this year and become the starter next year. Not sure if Roest is anything more than a 3 guy at this point.
I hope Keopple wins the starting job because I like when loyal upperclassmen succeed. But Cournoyer's junior numbers and NHL draft prospects are on another level. Keopple may start game 1 but I expect Cournoyer to take over as the season progresses. Again, it would be cool if I'm wrong here. Not sure what the basis is for thinking Katz>Roest, both struggled in juniors but so did Shane, it's not the end of the world and goalies are very hard to project.
I'm guessing Katz over Roest bc Katz has been with the team last year. Also, are we all forgetting Cournoyer's juniors numbers are in a tiny sample size? It feels like we're all forgetting that.
I wouldn't mind a platoon either, but we'll see how things go.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: stereaxAlso disputing Cournoyer as the favorite. I think Keopple is the favorite, Cournoyer is either 2 or 3 in line depending how the team views Katz. Though I expect to see Cournoyer given the opportunity to seize the net at some point. It's possible they pulled him here with the idea that he'd work at the NCAA level this year and become the starter next year. Not sure if Roest is anything more than a 3 guy at this point.
I hope Keopple wins the starting job because I like when loyal upperclassmen succeed. But Cournoyer's junior numbers and NHL draft prospects are on another level. Keopple may start game 1 but I expect Cournoyer to take over as the season progresses. Again, it would be cool if I'm wrong here. Not sure what the basis is for thinking Katz>Roest, both struggled in juniors but so did Shane, it's not the end of the world and goalies are very hard to project.
I'm guessing Katz over Roest bc Katz has been with the team last year. Also, are we all forgetting Cournoyer's juniors numbers are in a tiny sample size? It feels like we're all forgetting that.
I wouldn't mind a platoon either, but we'll see how things go.
He had good numbers in the MJAHL prior to the Q as well though. I'm confident that he is better than Katz and roest and that he will end up above them on the depth chart but I also though Joe Howe was the goalie of the future so who knows
Quote from: cbuckserQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.
I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Major was 16 last year. Is he changing numbers?
16 to 9
Does the number automatically come with the "Lynah Fan Favorite" title?
Quote from: chimpfoodLook no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
until they decide it doesn't. Slukynsky started the last 10 games of the year. Something 2001-02 Cornell notably did not eventually do with LeNeveu. Actually went the other way, I think.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodLook no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
until they decide it doesn't. Slukynsky started the last 10 games of the year. Something 2001-02 Cornell notably did not eventually do with LeNeveu. Actually went the other way, I think.
My recollection is that Underhill got all the playoff starts. At least the two in Placid and two in Worcester after being the Friday guy most of the year.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodLook no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
until they decide it doesn't. Slukynsky started the last 10 games of the year. Something 2001-02 Cornell notably did not eventually do with LeNeveu. Actually went the other way, I think.
Schafer platooned Underhill and LeNeveu right up until the end of the regular season. But Underhill did start all six playoff games.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodLook no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
until they decide it doesn't. Slukynsky started the last 10 games of the year. Something 2001-02 Cornell notably did not eventually do with LeNeveu. Actually went the other way, I think.
Right, I wasn't suggesting that we run a goalie platoon in the playoffs, I'm just in favor of having both Keopple and Cournoyer get enough run during the regular season that we know what we have. I would love for Keopple to be our Rowe (loyal senior getting rewarded with playing time) and Cournoyer to be our Slukynsky (tall NHL prospect freshman who (hopefully) takes over in the playoffs for the future years). And then we can win a natty and ride off into the sunset.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodLook no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
until they decide it doesn't. Slukynsky started the last 10 games of the year. Something 2001-02 Cornell notably did not eventually do with LeNeveu. Actually went the other way, I think.
Right, I wasn't suggesting that we run a goalie platoon in the playoffs, I'm just in favor of having both Keopple and Cournoyer get enough run during the regular season that we know what we have. I would love for Keopple to be our Rowe (loyal senior getting rewarded with playing time) and Cournoyer to be our Slukynsky (tall NHL prospect freshman who (hopefully) takes over in the playoffs for the future years). And then we can win a natty and ride off into the sunset.
Mmmm. Winning a natty sounds nice right about now. Still riding the high of the lax natty, I think I might for years.
The only strong team I can remember keeping religiously to their platoon in the playoffs was Harvard. I think in 89 but maybe one (or more) of their other Frozen Four years (83, 86, 87) during that incredible Cleary run.
So a bit off topic but of definite interest here. My son is a prep school player and we recently attended this big D1 showcase in Florida - they time it to be held just after the NCAA coaches annual conference and so literally there are either head coaches or assistant coaches from every hockey east and ECAC school there. Competition is pretty amazing. Anyway they have a conference portion of it and during that, one of the coaches pointed out that since it was determined that Canadian juniors players were now NCAA eligible, in those 6 months of 135 players committed 125 of them were from those Canadian juniors leagues. Now maybe there was a huge backlog of players that were wanted. But it changes a lot - I think kids will still get signed out of NE prep schools but then they can choose to play in the OHL or the Q instead of just the USHL or NAHL or BCHL. And also, I would think, if you're thinking, after graduating from prep school, that you're just going to go and play juniors and get signed out of there, probably the already low odds of that leading to D1 hockey got a ton lower. I just think it might be real interesting considering Cornell seems to have an edge on recruiting north of the border anyway.
Quote from: PghasSo a bit off topic but of definite interest here. My son is a prep school player and we recently attended this big D1 showcase in Florida - they time it to be held just after the NCAA coaches annual conference and so literally there are either head coaches or assistant coaches from every hockey east and ECAC school there. Competition is pretty amazing. Anyway they have a conference portion of it and during that, one of the coaches pointed out that since it was determined that Canadian juniors players were now NCAA eligible, in those 6 months of 135 players committed 125 of them were from those Canadian juniors leagues. Now maybe there was a huge backlog of players that were wanted. But it changes a lot - I think kids will still get signed out of NE prep schools but then they can choose to play in the OHL or the Q instead of just the USHL or NAHL or BCHL. And also, I would think, if you're thinking, after graduating from prep school, that you're just going to go and play juniors and get signed out of there, probably the already low odds of that leading to D1 hockey got a ton lower. I just think it might be real interesting considering Cornell seems to have an edge on recruiting north of the border anyway.
Great insight. Two things are unique for this one time. First, as you said, backlog. That huge number is something that would spread across 3-4 years typically. Also, this was the one time guys who would have gone the other way, but didn't due to apparently sacrificing their eligibility, were given a second chance. That had to play into a lot of jumping. But from now on, it is known ahead of time the choice isn't irrevocable.
I think this helps both paths and the athletes. I don't see a downside, unless some programs really compromise themselves to be a soft landing for non-academically inclined CHLers, but honestly those schools are already doing that (Qough). And it might finally force the CHL programs to provide legitimate college preparation, which right now (and always) kids there could only do as autodidacts. I am all for putting pressure on CHL brass. They are highly exploitative even by youth sports standards.
Quote from: PghasSo a bit off topic but of definite interest here. My son is a prep school player and we recently attended this big D1 showcase in Florida - they time it to be held just after the NCAA coaches annual conference and so literally there are either head coaches or assistant coaches from every hockey east and ECAC school there. Competition is pretty amazing. Anyway they have a conference portion of it and during that, one of the coaches pointed out that since it was determined that Canadian juniors players were now NCAA eligible, in those 6 months of 135 players committed 125 of them were from those Canadian juniors leagues. Now maybe there was a huge backlog of players that were wanted. But it changes a lot - I think kids will still get signed out of NE prep schools but then they can choose to play in the OHL or the Q instead of just the USHL or NAHL or BCHL. And also, I would think, if you're thinking, after graduating from prep school, that you're just going to go and play juniors and get signed out of there, probably the already low odds of that leading to D1 hockey got a ton lower. I just think it might be real interesting considering Cornell seems to have an edge on recruiting north of the border anyway.
I hadn't realize the extent of CHL commitments until I just scrolled through Heisenberg's spreadsheet. Holy smokes, many schools have 6 or more CHL players matriculating
next season.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodLook no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
until they decide it doesn't. Slukynsky started the last 10 games of the year. Something 2001-02 Cornell notably did not eventually do with LeNeveu. Actually went the other way, I think.
My recollection is that Underhill got all the playoff starts. At least the two in Placid and two in Worcester after being the Friday guy most of the year.
I know. When I said Cornell "notably didn't do" - I meant, start the better freshman at the end.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: adamwQuote from: chimpfoodLook no farther than this year's national champ, western Michigan, for evidence that a platoon can work
until they decide it doesn't. Slukynsky started the last 10 games of the year. Something 2001-02 Cornell notably did not eventually do with LeNeveu. Actually went the other way, I think.
My recollection is that Underhill got all the playoff starts. At least the two in Placid and two in Worcester after being the Friday guy most of the year.
I know. When I said Cornell "notably didn't do" - I meant, start the better freshman at the end.
Ahh. I misread it as "notably didn't abandon the platoon"
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Well - what I tried to send previously was news that Michael Dec cleaned up at the St. Andrews College Hockey banquet.
On the St. Andrews College Hockey twitter account / dated May 11, he won the following;
1. Practice Champion Award - awarded to the member of the team who achieves the highest cumulative average in practice statistics during the current season.
2. Offensive MVP - awarded to the player who leads the team in the offensive side of the game as the top point producer.
3. Team MVP - awarded to the individual who is judged to be the most valuable member of the SAC 1st hockey team - voted on by players and staff.
Cornell is so good at identifying the guys who may not be considered blue chippers like the BU's, BC's, UND's, Michigan's all get yet they are always competitive. A real credit to the coaching staff. Michael Dec sounds like a great prospect that played some games with Owen Sound in the OHL last season and faired well. I assume that he'll play there in 2025-'26. He is an '07 and is scheduled to come to Ithaca in 2027.
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