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Week of 4/18/25, final week of Ivy lacrosse
Closer than expected games except for Princeton hammering Yale by 11. Cornell only by 2 over 2-4 (Ivy record) Dartmouth, Harvard only by 1 over 0-6 Brown, and #6 Notre Dame only by 2 at home over 1-5 / 4-10 Penn, which fell from ILT runner-up last year to not-in-tournament.
[b]2025 Ivy Men's Lacrosse End of Regular Season
School Conf CPct. Overall Pct. Streak[/b]
Cornell 6-0 1.000 12-1 .923 W8 21st Ivy RS title
Princeton 5-1 .833 11-2 .846 W7 27 Ivy titles, not since 2015
Harvard 4-2 .667 10-3 .769 W1
Yale 3-3 .500 5-7 .417 L2
Dartmouth 2-4 .333 8-5 .615 L1
Penn 1-5 .167 4-10 .286 L7
Brown 0-6 .000 3-10 .231 L5 [/bold]
[b]Saturday 4/26 scores[/b]
Cornell 10, Dartmouth 8
Princeton 18, Yale 7
Harvard 11, Brown 10
Notre Dame 10, Penn 8
[b]Friday 5/2 Ivy Tournament, Schoellkopf Field[/b]
1 Cornell v. 4. Yale (ILT seeding), 4pm
2 Princeeton v. 4 Harvard, 6:30 pm
[b]Championship, Sunday 5/4, 1 pm
Ticket Prices Fri & Sun Fri-only Sun-only
Premier/Field Level $40 $25 $20[/b]
GA/Crescent $20 $15 $10
12 & under (Crescent) $10 $5 $5
Cor-Yale-Princeton-Harvard students free, ditto kids 0-2
No discounted pricing for seniors cited
Tickets per Ivy League: https://app.fanbaseclub.com/Fan/Fixtures?fanStoreType=Events&clubId=398
Week of 4/19/25, penultimate week Ivy lacrosse
#1 Cornell 20, #10 Harvard 12
#2 Princeton 12, Penn 8
Dartmouth 13, Brown 9
Albany 15, Yale 14 OT (RPI Yale 17, Albany 47 before the game)
Other scores
#4 Army 20, Bucknell 11
#9 Notre Dame 12, #5 NC 6
#11 Richmond 14, #19 UMass 5
#12 Duke 11, #7 Syracuse 7
[b]Ivy Standings[/b]
1. Cornell 5-0 11-1 4/26 Dartmouth
2. Princeton 4-1 10-2 Penn
3. Harvard 3-0 9-3 @ Brown
3. Yale 3-2 5-5 @Princeton
5. Dartmouth 2-3 8-4 @Cornell
6. Penn 1-5 4-9 @Notre Dame
7. Brown 0-5 3-9 Harvard
8. Columbia DNP
Be nice if Richmond moves into the top ten (gives us a top ten win), let's hope #7 Syracuse stays in the top ten (ditto), #10 Harvard may drop.
2025 Cornell men's lacrosse schedule, all dates/time now final. Cornell Saturday home games are 12 noon (Albany is Tuesday 7 pm). TV is ESPN+ for all home, all Ivy games. Cornell is pre-season ranked at #2 in the coaches polls, #3 in the media poll.
Cornell schedule link (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule)
2/15 @Lehigh 12:00 ESPN+
2/22 Denver [b]11 am[/b] was 12:00 (also: Clarkson, St Lawrence home hockey)
2/25 @Hobart Tuesday 5:00 (TV: HWS All-Access, a Sidearm Sports thing)
3/2 @Richmond Sunday 1:00 ESPN+
3/8 Penn State 12 noon
3/15 Princeton 12 noon
3/22 @Yale 1:00
3/29 Penn 12 noon
4/1 Albany Tuesday 7 pm
4/5 @ Brown 12 noon
4/12 Syracuse @ Mitchel Field, Uniondale, LI, capacity 10,102) 4 pm TV: College Lacrosse Live
4/19 @ Harvard 12 noon
4/26 Dartmouth 12 noon
5/2 Ivy Lacrosse tournament semifinals (Friday) at higher seed
5/4 ILT final (also NCAA tournament brackets announced)
5/6 2 play-in games ([url=https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships]NCAA selection criteria per NCAA[/url])
5/10 NCAA first round Saturday or Sunday 8 games
5/17 Quarterfinal round at Hofstra, Navy-Marine Corps Stadium
5/24 NCAA semifinals @ Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA
5/26 Memorial Day, title game, Gillette Stadium*
*2027 title game at Lincoln Financial Field Philadelphia, 2028 at Gillette, 2026 is STILL TBD.
[b]USILA coaches poll, pre-season[/b]
Nike/USILA Men's Division I Rankings
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (1-0) 559(27) --
2 Cornell (-) 482(0) --
3 Syracuse (3-0) 469(1) --
4 Virginia (1-0) 441(0) --
5 Princeton (-) 434(0) --
6 Maryland (2-0) 421(0) --
7 Duke (2-0) 414(0) --
8 Johns Hopkins (3-0) 320(0) --
9 Denver (1-1) 310(0) --
10 Yale (-) 296(0) --
11 Georgetown (1-1) 269(0) --
12 Penn State (2-) 258(0) --
13 Army (1-0) 254(0) --
14 Penn (-) 213(0) --
15 Michigan (1-1) 172(0) --
16 North Carolina (1-0) 129(0) --
17 Towson (0-2) 122(0) --
18 Richmond (1-1) 47(0) --
19 Harvard (-) 44(0) --
20 Lehigh (0-2) 43(0) --
Receiving Votes: Ohio State, Loyola, Saint Joseph's, Rutgers, UMBC, Utah, UAlbany, Villanova, Delaware, Boston U, Colgate
Combines pre-season poll with team records as of Feb. 10 2025
Posted earlier:
Inside Lacrosse Way Too Early Rankings (August 2024). Cornell is #5, plays #2, #3, #8, #9, #10, #13, #14, #17. Too bad for a third NYS opponent (other than Hobart, Syracuse) we got Albany this year not Army.
1 Notre Dame
2 Syracuse
3 Princeton
4 Maryland
5 Cornell
6 Virginia
7 Duke
8 Yale
9 Hopkins
10 Penn
11 Army
12 Georgetown
13 Denver
14 Penn State
15 Michigan
16 North Carolina
17 Harvard
18 Ohio State
19 Towson
20 Villanova
Posted earlier:
Time for a thread on the 2025 schedule when that comes available, recruits / lacrosse prospects, recruits who enroll and play in the spring of 2025, etcetera.
As we get closer to February and competition, I'll take off the "pre-season" in the subject line or, if this becomes really long, a separate season/games/weekly polls can be created.
Halloween week update: Schedule available for Cornell ... College ... but not our Big Red.
Cornell recruits for the Classes of 2024, 2025, 2026, via https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/college/team/Cornell/33/2024
Transfer portal for all college teams, last updated mid-June, via https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/di-men-s-transfer-portal-tracker-2024/63595
From Cornell, midfielders Aiden Blake to Duke and Spencer Wirtheim to North Carolina, as grad students.
August pre-season D1 men's lacrosse rankings via Inside Lacrosse, 8/22/24:
2025 DI Men's Way-Ahead Rankings: Syracuse, Maryland Among Challengers To Notre Dame 3-Peat Bid (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2025-di-men-s-way-ahead-rankings-syracuse-maryland-among-challengers-to-notre-dame-3-peat-bid/63965)
1. Notre Dame
2. Syracuse
3. Princeton (too bad as of 2024 Tigers were not the final Ivy game for Cornell)
4. Maryland
5. Cornell (highest-ranked team that didn't make the 2024 tournament)
6. Virginia
7. Duke
8. Yale
9. Hopkins
10. Penn
11. Army (isn't it time they're back on Cornell's NYS / Pennsylvania rotation)?
12. Georgetown
13. Denver
14. Penn State
15. Michigan
16. North Carolina
17. Harvard
18. Ohio State
19. Towson
20. Villanova
Has Coach Buczek pissed off the usual HS stud prospects we usually see commit to Cornell by now for the Class of '30 Lax recruits? I say this tongue in cheek, but we are getting smoked on the recruiting front by most of the Ivy teams! Something seems amiss in Ithaca??? We have 2 3* recruits, at positions we really don't need-Goal and FOGO. We are even losing NY state recruits, to our competitors, I hope this is just an early aberration in this recruiting cycle?
Quote from: big29redHas Coach Buczek pissed off the usual HS stud prospects we usually see commit to Cornell by now for the Class of '30 Lax recruits? I say this tongue in cheek, but we are getting smoked on the recruiting front by most of the Ivy teams! Something seems amiss in Ithaca??? We have 2 3* recruits, at positions we really don't need-Goal and FOGO. We are even losing NY state recruits, to our competitors, I hope this is just an early aberration in this recruiting cycle?
Still very early in the recruiting cycle and plenty of good talent to be had.
Hope so-we lose a lot of talent next year and the year after, really need to load up in the midfield. It seems like we loaded up on LSM and close D in the last two years, need much bigger faster, midfielders, as well as D middies now! We could also use some size at attack, the smaller attack get beat up very easily.
Quote from: big29redHas Coach Buczek pissed off the usual HS stud prospects we usually see commit to Cornell by now for the Class of '30 Lax recruits? I say this tongue in cheek, but we are getting smoked on the recruiting front by most of the Ivy teams! Something seems amiss in Ithaca??? We have 2 3* recruits, at positions we really don't need-Goal and FOGO. We are even losing NY state recruits, to our competitors, I hope this is just an early aberration in this recruiting cycle?
Don't underestimate the 3* recruits. As scoop85 said, it's still early in the recruiting season. Also, these guys are in the Class of 2026, which means guys like Xavier are still 16 Y.O. Give them time. I don't know how these two will turn out, but I'd be willing to bet at least one or more 3*'s in this class will surpass guys who are 5* now by the time their college careers are over.
Then there's this (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/-addicted-to-getting-better-adler-s-ascension-into-one-of-the-best-defensemen-in-the-world/63925):
Quote from: 'Addicted To Getting Better': Adler's Ascension Into One Of The Best Defensemen In The WorldBut then, [club coach] Miller sent his highlight tape to Cornell assistant coach Jordan Stevens.
"I still remember vividly that call," said Adler. "And it was Coach Stevens from Cornell, which was surreal to me because Max Seibald is a Cornell legend and I grew up five houses over from him. So I always looked up to him. I actually played with a Cornell dyed head growing up throughout middle school. So that was that. And then honestly, it was my first time talking to a coach. I mean, obviously smart, respectful, but like I just gave him my story. I was like, 'Look, man, like I just need someone to take a chance on me.' And he loved it. And he's like, 'dude, I actually see a lot of potential in you,' but he never saw me play."
Some coaches just have the knack of recognizing and developing talent. Even if a coach misses 75% of the time, 1-in-4 is not too bad a record if you're developing HOF talent.
I have been scanning the various Class of '25 (high school class of, so college class of '29, i.e. freshmen in fall 2025), Class of '26 lacrosse player rankings and supposed commitments. There seemed to be fewer-than-expected Cornell commits. Which could mean we're not recruiting well, or this is not the full sampling, or maybe Ivy coaches have to be more cautious until it's clear the players have the credentials to be admitted, or one or two other schools are siphoning would-have-been Cornellians such as, say, Notre Dame?
Regardless, it's not clear how accurate the 5-star, 4-star, etcetera rankings can be as future predictors. And hasn't Cornell gotten more out of a full team effort rather than living off of having the most HS 5-stars on the team?
We'll gain an advantage among the Ivies when the Meinig indoor field house finally opens in 2026. It appears to be past the local carping about forever chemicals in the rubbery crumbs sprinkled onto/into the plastic blades of grass. I see the NCAA says the dimensions are big enough for lacrosse play if desired (ie February) but it's not wide enough for soccer and not what's preferred to field hockey. The most recent Cornell Sun article gives a bigly amount of space to the critics https://cornellsun.com/2024/09/06/environmental-advocates-cornell-athletics-dispute-over-artificial-turf-project/
I have been doing the same thing Bill- As I've mentioned above, something doesn't seem right with the '26 recruiting. Dartmouth, just today, announced a 5* attackman out of Loomis Chaffee, P-ton w/ another 4* pole out of Culver Academy. Folks have said "it's early, we will get ours:...etc. Previously, by this time in the past 3 years, we've had loaded classes! We lose a lot of talent in the next 2 years, now we're being out recruited by Dartmouth!!! I'm not buying the "excuses" of wait and see, and we get lower ranked players who rise up; we don't have anyone , or at least anyone that's come public other than 2 previously mentioned recruits (a goalie and FOGO). Cornell hasn't even listed the current frosh recruits in the published roster on the Athletics website. Also, as per usual, we cannot compete w/ ND, Duke, UNC and UVA for the premier players, now we're losing them to Dartmouth. We can' get the kids from NY/LI to commit- that should be our bread and butter. The Meinig Fieldhouse will be just opened when these '26 recruits get on campus- the lack of an indoor facility should not be a deterrent.
I hope that the coaching staff is still intact and presenting a cohesive picture of what it means to be a Cornell lacrosse player. This all doesn't seem right???
Also, I wasn't complaining about the goalie and Fogo recruits only being 3* recruits; my point was that based on the 2 recruiting classes ahead of the '26's, we really don't need another goalie or FOGO- we need middies, d-middies and attackmen to replace what we're losing in the next 2 years. Preferably, some with size, speed and athleticism to match up with what the other Ivy's are bringing in!
Harvard just landed their 2nd 5* recruit!
A lefty attack from Deerfield! Described as follows: "a taller Jeff Teat"-
Oh well- maybe I'm over reacting about the lack of recruiting for this '26 cycle???
I assume we still have CB and JS as our coaches and they're not checked out, or asleep at the wheel? ( I say this with just a bit of sarcasm)!
Quote from: big29redHarvard just landed their 2nd 5* recruit!
A lefty attack from Deerfield! Described as follows: "a taller Jeff Teat"-
Oh well- maybe I'm over reacting about the lack of recruiting for this '26 cycle???
I assume we still have CB and JS as our coaches and they're not checked out, or asleep at the wheel? ( I say this with just a bit of sarcasm)!
I'll admit to be a little bit concerned that we haven't made a bigger splash in the current recruiting cycle compared with some of our peers. Hopefully we start getting some more commitments soon .
Yes- this is a bit disconcerting. We are usually right up there with Princeton and Yale for recruiting, we are now behind, even lagging in back of Dartmouth. We usually don't keep up with the $$$ (ACC, Big 10)schools, but the other Ivy's?? Something seems a little askew up in Ithaca!
Not to be blunt, but I kind of feel like the 'concern' being discussed here is not really based in reality? What about our coaching staff over the past few seasons would lead someone to believe they are suddenly dropping the ball on recruiting? What kind of track record do these recruiting lists have that would make one think they should be treated as a true report card on the incoming class? Until I see a drop off on the field, the recruiting rankings, etc. are just a distraction
The drop off will not be seen this upcoming season, we have the horses! 2026-8, will be tough if the recruiting doesn't pick up to the level of our peers in the Ivy. It's no wonder that Coach Moran's teams in the 70's won as much as they did- he got all the top recruits on Long Island and brought in the Canadians. Top it off with the great coaching ( which we currently have), made for championship seasons!
Quote from: semsoxNot to be blunt, but I kind of feel like the 'concern' being discussed here is not really based in reality? What about our coaching staff over the past few seasons would lead someone to believe they are suddenly dropping the ball on recruiting? What kind of track record do these recruiting lists have that would make one think they should be treated as a true report card on the incoming class? Until I see a drop off on the field, the recruiting rankings, etc. are just a distraction
I don't think we can have it both ways. When Jeff Teat signed with Cornell as the top recruit in his class, there was lots of ballyhoo. And Jeff delivered, even if COVID cheated us (and him) out of his full potential time in Ithaca. And four-stars are the majority of recruits for years '24 & '25. Currently, recruiting for '26 is strangely out of whack with other years.
Agree- let's hope it turns our way soon!
Rob Pannell wasn't close to being a top recruit. I am not sure Gavin Adler was either. Look how they turned out. Maybe the system has something to do with it....
Quote from: dag14Rob Pannell wasn't close to being a top recruit. I am not sure Gavin Adler was either. Look how they turned out. Maybe the system has something to do with it....
Pannell was a very good not fab recruit out of HS, a Quinnipiac lax intender. At Smithtown West High School he set the school record with 130 points and then set Deerfield's single-season record with 99 points.
Gavin Adler? If you heard a 5-foot-8, 180-pounder pushed attackers around in high school, you'd say, "Well, that was high school." So he was a bit under the radar.
There is no doubt the system has something to do with it. However, all I am saying is that we don't have the number of recruits that we've had in the past years, in this particular recruiting cycle. At least they have not put it out there yet. For some reason, they haven't even announced the entering freshman class, that's usually done by now, on the Cornell athletic website, even on Instagram there's usually a picture of the incoming class. Nothing, crickets. As I stated previously I'm not railing against our lack of higher star recruits (although that will come to bite us in the butt in a few years). I'm just stating, we have a lower number of actual recruits in this cycle than we usually have by now, and the other IVY's, our peers, have all seemingly out recruited us at this point.
Quote from: big29redThere is no doubt the system has something to do with it. However, all I am saying is that we don't have the number of recruits that we've had in the past years, in this particular recruiting cycle. At least they have not put it out there yet. For some reason, they haven't even announced the entering freshman class, that's usually done by now, on the Cornell athletic website, even on Instagram there's usually a picture of the incoming class. Nothing, crickets. As I stated previously I'm not railing against our lack of higher star recruits (although that will come to bite us in the butt in a few years). I'm just stating, we have a lower number of actual recruits in this cycle than we usually have by now, and the other IVY's, our peers, have all seemingly out recruited us at this point.
We'll be ok.
Well, we picked up one more recruit! A midfielder out of the Syracuse area. One poster on the fan lax forum says he has a lot of potential and speed! Hopefully we add a bunch more, 3 total recruits isn't going to cut it. Almost the entire top 100 recruits are already committed, none to the Red! As I've stated before, we are going to have a rough few years in '26-'28, unless we can pick this up or get some impact transfers. We lose a ton of talent in the next 2 years.
The breathless daily report of the sky's position vis-à-vis its falling is going to get old very quickly.
Quote from: RichHThe breathless daily report of the sky's position vis-à-vis its falling is going to get old very quickly.
Already has.
The fact that our recruiting is much worse than it has been in recent seasons, as determined by the one publicly available rating system we have access to, seems like a perfectly valid criticism.
Quote from: BearLoverThe fact that our recruiting is much worse than it has been in recent seasons, as determined by the one publicly available rating system we have access to, seems like a perfectly valid criticism.
You missed the word "daily."
Quote from: BearLoverThe fact that our recruiting is much worse than it has been in recent seasons, as determined by the one publicly available rating system we have access to, seems like a perfectly valid criticism.
Actually agree with bearlover. Just like draft picks matter, so do top ranked recruits
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverThe fact that our recruiting is much worse than it has been in recent seasons, as determined by the one publicly available rating system we have access to, seems like a perfectly valid criticism.
Actually agree with bearlover. Just like draft picks matter, so do top ranked recruits
I don't think anyone disagrees with the concern over recruiting. The point RichH made was it doesn't need to get posted every tim the recruit list is browsed.
A 4-star: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/118206?active=commitment
Video: https://youtu.be/A9jsHlO7seY?si=woYG4zqM-DZ3THna
Quote from: Al DeFlorioA 4-star: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/118206?active=commitment
Video: https://youtu.be/A9jsHlO7seY?si=woYG4zqM-DZ3THna
Nice find.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioA 4-star: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/118206?active=commitment
Video: https://youtu.be/A9jsHlO7seY?si=woYG4zqM-DZ3THna
That's more like it
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioA 4-star: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/118206?active=commitment
Video: https://youtu.be/A9jsHlO7seY?si=woYG4zqM-DZ3THna
That's more like it
By my count, the 21st attacker in the class.
Cornell scrimmaged at Maryland last Saturday. Reports from some who were there:
https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=587466#p587466
And a few minutes of video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwcHtukXk24
Scoring by different guys. That's a huge positive! I look for Graham to have a break out year.
Need to trust the coaches in a highly competitive environment and that they're finding kids for what they will be in 2 years vs. what Inside Lacrosse is suggesting at 16. The Johnson kid is a great player and the Santillo kid has unlimited upside as well. Would be willing to bet there's a lot of diamonds in the rough, and believe that the coaches are looking for the kid that has the athleticism to develop before they arrive on campus.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/120603?active=analysis
https://youtu.be/wvrbVqVohUg?si=maaGKdZGLEiAytIK
CJ Kirst will the first pick of the 2025 Premier Lacrosse League. Six of the top 10 are projected to be Ivy League players. This per the Inside Lacrosse 2025 PLL Mock Draft as of Oct. 29, 2024, by Kevin Brown, https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/way-ahead-2025-pll-mock-draft-kirst-to-philly-kavanagh-to-the-woods-mackesy-to-boston/64176
[b]Premier Lacrosse League Draft
1st Round[/b]
1. Philadelphia Waterdogs: CJ Kirst, A, Cornell
2. California Redwoods: Chris Kavanagh, A, Notre Dame
3. Denver Outlaws: Andrew McAdorey, M, Duke
4. Boston Cannons: Coulter Mackesy, A, Princeton
5. Carolina Chaos: Sam King, A, Harvard
6. New York Atlas: Brendan Lavelle, D, Penn
7. Maryland Whipsnakes: Ben Ramsey, SSDM, Notre Dame
8. Utah Archers: Sam English, M, Syracuse/Princeton
[b]2nd Round[/b]
9. Philadelphia Waterdogs: Will Coletti, FO, Army
10. California Redwoods: Emmet Carroll, G, Penn
11. Denver Outlaws: Jimmy Freehill, D, Denver
12. Boston Cannons: Jake Taylor, A, Notre Dame
13. Carolina Chaos: Griffin Schutz, M, Virginia
14. New York Atlas: Ryan Cohen, A/M, Michigan
15. Philadelphia Waterdogs (via Maryland Whipsnakes): Ben Wayer, LSM, Virginia
16. Utah Archers: Levi Verch, D, Saint Joseph's
Among the next 20 top players but outside the first two draft rounds is Cornell's Michael Long, per Inside Lacrosse.
Rankings are not really that far apart between the Ivy's, and what can change the ranking is landing a 5 star which can skew the final numbers. Plus, the service academies are getting higher ranked players where the education is comparable and the cost is free. New legislation will likely cap roster sizes at 48 which means you are only looking at 12 recruits or less per class based on need.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/college/league/Men%27s+Division+I/1/2026
One of the best recent recruits is Ryan Goldstein who last year, like many freshman in college athletics was undersized at 5'9" and 145 lbs. Time in the weight room and probably just natural growth he has the potential to be a super star for Cornell lacrosse. My nephew plays for a very strong DIII program and he was pushed all over the league his freshman season, but last spring as a sophomore he scored 40 goals and 20 assists earning all conference honors. Again he's not playing at the DI level, but just his size, strength, and overall skills skyrocketed with maturity and time in the weight room. Go Big Red!
Quote from: ThunderDomePlus, the service academies are getting higher ranked players where the education is comparable and the cost is free. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/college/league/Men%27s+Division+I/1/2026
We have a niece playing at Army West Point (saying that is kind of like saying
The Ohio State). It's a free ride. There is a 4-6 year no-cut pro contract attached.
Anybody having trouble accessing the FanLax forum?
Quote from: ChousnakeAnybody having trouble accessing the FanLax forum?
Yes
Quote from: ChousnakeAnybody having trouble accessing the FanLax forum?
Thanks for confirming that the problem is not on my end.
My browser blocked FanLax but gave me the choice to ignore and click through.
I saw this posted on fanlax
2025 Schedule:
2/15: Lehigh (A)
2/22: Denver (H)
2/25: Hobart (A)
3/2: Richmond (A)
3/8: Penn State (H)
3/15: Princeton (H)
3/22: Yale (A)
3/29: Penn (H)
4/1: Albany (H)
4/5: Brown (A)
4/12: Syracuse (Neutral Site on Long Island)
4/19: Harvard (A)
4/26: Darmouth (H; Senior Day)
Quote from: upprdeckI saw this posted on fanlax
2025 Schedule:
2/15: Lehigh (A)
2/22: Denver (H)
2/25: Hobart (A)
3/2: Richmond (A)
3/8: Penn State (H)
3/15: Princeton (H)
3/22: Yale (A)
3/29: Penn (H)
4/1: Albany (H)
4/5: Brown (A)
4/12: Syracuse (Neutral Site on Long Island)
4/19: Harvard (A)
4/26: Darmouth (H; Senior Day)
A standard schedule -- no Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame this time. I wish Cornell played Princeton in the last game of the season.
Figures we play Lehigh in Bethlehem in February. I'll be away and can't attend. ::bang::
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckI saw this posted on fanlax
2025 Schedule:
2/15: Lehigh (A)
2/22: Denver (H)
2/25: Hobart (A)
3/2: Richmond (A)
3/8: Penn State (H)
3/15: Princeton (H)
3/22: Yale (A)
3/29: Penn (H)
4/1: Albany (H)
4/5: Brown (A)
4/12: Syracuse (Neutral Site on Long Island)
4/19: Harvard (A)
4/26: Darmouth (H; Senior Day)
A standard schedule -- no Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame this time. I wish Cornell played Princeton in the last game of the season.
Denver at home is a nice get.
How is Albany good?
How is Albany good in
anything?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckI saw this posted on fanlax
2025 Schedule:
2/15: Lehigh (A)
2/22: Denver (H)
2/25: Hobart (A)
3/2: Richmond (A)
3/8: Penn State (H)
3/15: Princeton (H)
3/22: Yale (A)
3/29: Penn (H)
4/1: Albany (H)
4/5: Brown (A)
4/12: Syracuse (Neutral Site on Long Island)
4/19: Harvard (A)
4/26: Darmouth (H; Senior Day)
A standard schedule -- no Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame this time. I wish Cornell played Princeton in the last game of the season.
Denver at home is a nice get.
How is Albany good?
How is Albany good in anything?
Hasn't Albany regressed to being a middle-of-the-road team since that stretch where they had the Thompsons and TD Ierlan? Are they the type of team that just looks to be strong enough to get into the tournament via an auto-bid? I don't follow lacrosse that closely.
Quote from: WederQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckI saw this posted on fanlax
2025 Schedule:
2/15: Lehigh (A)
2/22: Denver (H)
2/25: Hobart (A)
3/2: Richmond (A)
3/8: Penn State (H)
3/15: Princeton (H)
3/22: Yale (A)
3/29: Penn (H)
4/1: Albany (H)
4/5: Brown (A)
4/12: Syracuse (Neutral Site on Long Island)
4/19: Harvard (A)
4/26: Darmouth (H; Senior Day)
A standard schedule -- no Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame this time. I wish Cornell played Princeton in the last game of the season.
Denver at home is a nice get.
How is Albany good?
How is Albany good in anything?
Hasn't Albany regressed to being a middle-of-the-road team since that stretch where they had the Thompsons and TD Ierlan? Are they the type of team that just looks to be strong enough to get into the tournament via an auto-bid? I don't follow lacrosse that closely.
Albany has gone through a lull over the past few years, but they were better last year and seem to be trending in a positive direction.
Quote from: TrotskyHow is Albany good?
How is Albany good in anything?
Why wouldn't they be? It's one of the flagship universities in a big state. If they decide to commit resources, they can build something. Go off on Q all you like as a hedge fund with a diploma-granting arm but damn.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyHow is Albany good?
How is Albany good in anything?
Why wouldn't they be? It's one of the flagship universities in a big state. If they decide to commit resources, they can build something. Go off on Q all you like as a hedge fund with a diploma-granting arm but damn.
Because the SUNY schools really don't care? There was hype when Albany tried to gain traction in football and lacrosse but except for those couple of years in lacrosse it was less influential in moving their cred than the Siena Poll.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckI saw this posted on fanlax
2025 Schedule:
2/15: Lehigh (A)
2/22: Denver (H)
2/25: Hobart (A)
3/2: Richmond (A)
3/8: Penn State (H)
3/15: Princeton (H)
3/22: Yale (A)
3/29: Penn (H)
4/1: Albany (H)
4/5: Brown (A)
4/12: Syracuse (Neutral Site on Long Island)
4/19: Harvard (A)
4/26: Darmouth (H; Senior Day)
A standard schedule -- no Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame this time. I wish Cornell played Princeton in the last game of the season.
Denver at home is a nice get.
How is Albany good?
How is Albany good in anything?
Albany is a pretty large school that is well-located and not too far from downstate, so it's very ideal for those kids who don't want to go too far away from Long Island but still want to play for a decent program. Also, the school has definitely shed away the party reputation it used to have before 10-15 years ago and has gotten better from what I understand
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckI saw this posted on fanlax
2025 Schedule:
2/15: Lehigh (A)
2/22: Denver (H)
2/25: Hobart (A)
3/2: Richmond (A)
3/8: Penn State (H)
3/15: Princeton (H)
3/22: Yale (A)
3/29: Penn (H)
4/1: Albany (H)
4/5: Brown (A)
4/12: Syracuse (Neutral Site on Long Island)
4/19: Harvard (A)
4/26: Darmouth (H; Senior Day)
A standard schedule -- no Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame this time. I wish Cornell played Princeton in the last game of the season.
Denver at home is a nice get.
How is Albany good?
How is Albany good in anything?
Albany is a pretty large school that is well-located and not too far from downstate, so it's very ideal for those kids who don't want to go too far away from Long Island but still want to play for a decent program. Also, the school has definitely shed away the party reputation it used to have before 10-15 years ago and has gotten better from what I understand
Yeah, but it sure resembles a prison.
I think it's awesome the Cornell vs. Syracuse game will be played on Long Island on Saturday, April 12th! Even though it's a travel contest, this venue is in the heart of both the Cornell and Syracuse alumni base. Last year the Cornell vs. Notre Dame game drew a big crowd for both programs at Bethpage Stadium The NYC Metro area is in Cornell's DNA. Go Big Red!
Inside Lacrosse ranks Cornell's attack #1 and midfield #3 in Division 1.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2025-men-s-di-unit-rankings-attack/64428
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2025-men-s-di-unit-rankings-midfield/64433
A few months ago there was some hoopla on here about future lacrosse recruiting classes not looking too good. Has that improved at all, or not really?
Quote from: BearLoverA few months ago there was some hoopla on here about future lacrosse recruiting classes not looking too good. Has that improved at all, or not really?
It's hard to tell. I analyzed
Inside Lacrosse's recruiting data last August, and I updated the analysis for incoming classes last fall (2024) and next (2025). Since then the status of a number of players has changed.
IL scores players with 5, 4, or 3 stars. It also ranks players and reports the ranks of the top 100 players. I examined the seven Ivy teams and Notre Dame (as a benchmark). For each team I recorded the number of players with 5, 4, 3, or 0 stars, the total and average number of stars on the team (players with no stars were scored as 1), and the number of ranked players on the team.
Evidently IL evaluated several players since last summer, since the number of ranked Ivy players now is about double what it was in August, and the numbers of stared players on individual teams also changed. Some players were ranked higher and some lower, but average star scores mildly increased. This probably reflects Ivy recruiting, which looks for good players with sufficient academic chops to be admitted and succeed at Ivy academics.
Cornell coaches say they don't put much stock in IL's and other rankings, and the pattern of changes reflects this. More than most Ivies, Cornell's scores increased substantially since last August. But also looking at the Ivy League as a whole, 2024 recruits score higher than 2025 recruits. For example, the average number of ranked player is 4.0 in 2024 and 3.3 in 2025. I believe this is mainly an artifact of IL's evaluation more than anything else. We should expect 2025 scores to increase during the spring, as the recruits play their senior season, mature, and IL gets a chance to rate them.
So, what do the data show us? First consider
Notre Dame. For 2024, it had 3x5*, 5x4*, 4x3* -- for an average of 3.9 stars, with 7 ranked players. But winning consecutive NC's apparently does wonders for recruiting. For 2025 ND already has 4x5*, 8x4*, and 1x3* (average 4.2*), with 12 ranked players -- i.e., 12 of the top 100 in the country according to IL.
Compare
Cornell. For 2024, the average 2024 recruit has 3.4 stars, and the average 2025 recruit has 3.5. This is below the 2024 league average, 3.5, and above the 2025 average of 3.1. Cornell also has 4 ranked (top 100) recruits in both years.
Now consider other Ivies. With an average of 4.1 stars, Princeton leads the pack in 2024. Other 2024 leaders include Harvard (3.8), Penn (3.5), and Brown (3.4). Princeton and Harvard also each have 6 ranked recruits, Penn has 5, and Yale has 4. A bit surprising, Yale averages only 3.3 stars and has 4 ranked players. In short, for 2024 Cornell's recruiting is about in the middle of the Ivies.
With the fall adjustments, Cornell looks better for 2025. We're tied with Princeton with the highest average number of stars (3.5). Yale follows with 3.4, and Harvard is at 3.2. Along with Penn, we have one of the two 5* recruits in the league (#18, attackman Rowyn Nurry). And Princeton has 6 top-100 ranked players, but we have 4 (as does Harvard).
In sum, as a whole the recruiting gap between the Ivies and the most elite programs is consistently substantial. But Cornell's most recent two recruiting classes are towards either the middle or the top of the Ivy League.
Report on FanLax of Cornell middle out for the year with torn ACL, anybody know who this is?
Quote from: jjanow99Report on FanLax of Cornell middle out for the year with torn ACL, anybody know who this is?
Another poster says it's Nikolic.
Wasn't he injured last season too? Or was that Cascaddan?
Quote from: margolismWasn't he injured last season too? Or was that Cascaddan?
Cascadden, not Nikolic. Latter a second line mid last year.
A couple dozen D1 lacrosse games kicked off the regular season among non-Ivy teams but including Cornell opponents this year or recently, including Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, #2 Syracuse (24-5 over Jacksonville), TOSU, Colgate (14-9 loser to Penn State). Cornell opens in two weeks, 2/15 at Lehigh, then home to Denver 2/22 11 am (this is the RS final hockey home weekend versus Union and RPI Clarkson and St. Lawrence).
The initial polls are:
1. ND
2. Syracuse
3. Cornell
4. Princeton
5. Maryland
6. Virginia
7. Duke
8. Hopkins
9. Yale
10. Denver
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Sure can't question our OOC.
Quote from: billhowardA couple dozen D1 lacrosse games kicked off the regular season among non-Ivy teams but including Cornell opponents this year or recently, including Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, #2 Syracuse (24-5 over Jacksonville), TOSU, Colgate (14-9 loser to Penn State). Cornell opens in two weeks, 2/15 at Lehigh, then home to Denver 2/22 11 am (this is the RS final hockey home weekend versus Union and RPI).
The initial polls are:
1. ND
2. Syracuse
3. Cornell
4. Princeton
5. Maryland
6. Virginia
7. Duke
8. Hopkins
9. Yale
10. Denver
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
We play Clark/STL at home the weekend of the 21/22
Snowy forecast has Lehigh and Cornell moving their game from noon to 11 am. Free admission, or on ESPN+. Lehigh opened Feb. 1, lost to Rutgers 10-6, improved that last Friday to a 10-7 loss to Fairfield. #2 / #3 Cornell should win handily. In theory. Cornell game preview: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/2/12/2025-mens-lacrosse-season-kicks-off-saturday-at-lehigh.aspx
Quote from: Connor BuczekWe will be shifting up the start time to 11am for tomorrow's game against Lehigh in Bethlehem, PA. The forecast is calling for several inches of snow in the afternoon so we are hoping that the earlier start will allow us to get the game in without any weather issues. The game will not be a ticketed event, so it will be open and free to the public. We hope to see lots of Red in the stands for our season opener!
If you're crazy enough to drive (I'm, ah, sort of tempted): 151 Goodman Drive, Bethlehem, Pa., parking in the lots outside Stabler Arena. https://lehighsports.com/facilities/ulrich-sports-complex/2 Forecast says 30 degrees at gametime, snow showers change to snow at 1pm. If you're for some reason driving I-80 through NJ (Lehigh is off I-78), I-80 may still be closed one or both directions b/c another sinkhole opened in Wharton NJ (town, not the Penn school) about 10 miles west of I-287.
According to Lehigh, the fields & buildings at this complex were designed by Lehigh students using their learnings in engineering, architecture, marketing, and budgeting. One money saver: a two-sided press box, that is one press box sits between two fields, if I'm reading Lehigh's notes correctly.
I don't understand why Cornell doesn't have a list of some kind to let people know when things like game times get changed. Its not only people with tickets who care. Without reading this board how would most people know the game has been moved up? Its not even on the cornellbigred.com site as a note unless you go clicking around to look for it. if nothing else put it in the scroll or the feed.
I got an email from Coach Buczek early this morning sharing the information which is likely the source for the person who posted the info here. I don't think the decision was made before today. It was on the Athletics homepage at some point this afternoon when I went in to confirm the start time of women's hockey, but the stories posted rotate and as results of today's games/matches came in, I am guessing an announcement about a time change at an away event that doesn't require tickets was easy to rotate off.
It feels like Christmas morning!
Go Big Red!!
The camera person is trying to follow the ball and not always succeeding. The camera is moving all over the place. I'm getting dizzy trying to watch.
Sweet offense finds Kirst on the door.
3-1 Good Guys.
5-3 Cornell at the end of the first quarter.
2 Lehigh goals came on an EMO. We need to get better on our man-down defense this year, or stop committing penalties.
We are moving the ball extremely well in game one. The players are trying more skip passes to get wide open shots. Interesting.
Man every year I forget how fun lacrosse is. Offense is looking how it should.
10-5 Good Guys at the half.
Cascadden looks good at the FOGO position so far.
Quote from: mike196010-5 Good Guys at the half.
Cascadden looks good at the FOGO position so far.
Cascadden 8 of 13
Ricci 3 of 4
Not crazy about Wyatt's clearing passes right in front of the goal.
Lehigh is not playing great defense in the snowfall blizzard.
We're missing shots in the fourth quarter. Probably wet mesh.
Game final: Lehigh 10, Cornell 18
Good start to the season.
sloppy last 15+min but the Lehigh goalie made a ton of saves as well
man down needs work for sure
Nice win!
watched bits and pieces of the middle quarters and i liked it.
Quote from: ugartewatched bits and pieces of the middle quarters and i liked it.
Not that it matters but should be up to 2 this week. Good test next week.
Cornell 1-0 5 5 6 2 — 18
Lehigh 2-1 3 2 3 2 — 10
Box score: https://cornellbigred.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mlax&id=61622
Big Red offense looked very good: CJ Kirst (5 goals); Willem Firth (4); Michael Long (3 +4A); Andrew Dalton (2); Luke Gilmartin (2); Ryan Sheehan (1); Ryan Goldstein (1). 12 goals from two schools: Delbarton NJ (Kirst, Long) and the Hill Academy Ontario (Firth).
Defense: Lehigh scored 6 against also-receiving-votes Rutgers, 7 against unranked Fairfield then 10 against #2/3 Cornell giving 10, 10 and 18. Given our ranking, I was hoping for a couple fewer goals allowed and one or two more goals scored — Cornell hit a lot of posts and the freezing temps made the pipes ring but Cornell (and I trust some other schools) doesn't try to run it up to 20 or more unless the opponent is close.
We won most all of the stats: shots at goal, shots on goal, clears (16 of 17 vs. 16 of 19), ground balls (37-23), faceoffs (20-12) and man-up goals percentage (3/3 vs. 4/6) and fans in stadium: Lehigh called it 400 (free admission, no ticket counters) and I would say red parkas outnumbered Lehigh brown 60-40. Lehigh field only holds about 1200 but there is good (free) parking versus Schoellkopf and fans sit closer to the field. And, oh yeah, the stadium restrooms in February are both open and heated. The Lehigh sports complex including the football stadium feels a bit removed the way the new Cornell baseball field hockey etcetera complex feels near but not quite on campus.
Cornell should solidify its #2 coaches / #3 media ranking. Although next Saturday's game hosting #14 Denver (2-1) should be a better measure of Cornell. 11am not noon start.
1. Notre Dame 2-0
2. Syracuse 3-1 (lost at #6 Maryland 11-7)
3. Cornell 1-0
4. Hopkins 4-0
5. Princeton 1-0 (beat #10 We Are 11-10 OT at PSU)
9. Yale 0-1 (lost 13-11 at unranked Villanova
The CU-Lehigh game started an hour early (11:02 am not 12:02 on the box score), cold (30 degrees) and dry and a few minutes into the second half the first flurries came down. It was a pretty good snowfall in the fourth quarter (photo below, sophomore attackman Ryan Waldman of Westfield NJ HS (where our sons played and then went on to other pursuits in life).
Quote from: billhowardCornell 1-0 5 5 6 2 — 18
Lehigh 2-1 3 2 3 2 — 10
Box score: https://cornellbigred.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mlax&id=61622
Big Red offense looked very good: CJ Kirst (5 goals); Willem Firth (4); Michael Long (3 +4A); Andrew Dalton (2); Luke Gilmartin (2); Ryan Sheehan (1); Ryan Goldstein (1). 12 goals from two schools: Delbarton NJ (Kirst, Long) and the Hill Academy Ontario (Firth).
Defense: Lehigh scored 6 against also-receiving-votes Rutgers, 7 against unranked Fairfield then 10 against #2/3 Cornell giving 10, 10 and 18. Given our ranking, I was hoping for a couple fewer goals allowed and one or two more goals scored — Cornell hit a lot of posts and the freezing temps made the pipes ring but Cornell (and I trust some other schools) doesn't try to run it up to 20 or more unless the opponent is close.
We won most all of the stats: shots at goal, shots on goal, clears (16 of 17 vs. 16 of 19), ground balls (37-23), faceoffs (20-12) and man-up goals percentage (3/3 vs. 4/6) and fans in stadium: Lehigh called it 400 (free admission, no ticket counters) and I would say red parkas outnumbered Lehigh brown 60-40. Lehigh field only holds about 1200 but there is good (free) parking versus Schoellkopf and fans sit closer to the field. And, oh yeah, the stadium restrooms in February are both open and heated. The Lehigh sports complex including the football stadium feels a bit removed the way the new Cornell baseball field hockey etcetera complex feels near but not quite on campus.
Cornell should solidify its #2 coaches / #3 media ranking. Although next Saturday's game hosting #14 Denver (2-1) should be a better measure of Cornell. 11am not noon start.
1. Notre Dame 2-0
2. Syracuse 3-1 (lost at #6 Maryland 11-7)
3. Cornell 1-0
4. Hopkins 4-0
5. Princeton 1-0 (beat #10 We Are 11-10 OT at PSU)
9. Yale 0-1 (lost 13-11 at unranked Villanova
The CU-Lehigh game started an hour early (11:02 am not 12:02 on the box score), cold (30 degrees) and dry and a few minutes into the second half the first flurries came down. It was a pretty good snowfall in the fourth quarter (photo below, sophomore attackman Ryan Waldman of Westfield NJ HS (where our sons played and then went on to other pursuits in life).
Great pic!
Waldman's on the second midfield. Showed he's not hesitant to shoot.
Quote from: mike1960Great pic!
TY. Sometimes photographing quote spring sports is more chilling than winter sports ... other than town rinks with a roof but incomplete sides (like Cass Park, on the Cayuga inlet, when built; we played there as late as 2 a.m.). Or the open-side rink my kid played at in HS in NJ; geez the night games were cold.
The Cornell-Lehigh players other than goalies were in shorts. I had thermal long-johns, insulated-wind resistant-water-resistant pants, a parka, two types of gloves (one for first half, thicker ones for second half). Many/most of the Cornell parents had long, thick, water- and wind-proof coats that went to the knees (photo). In the Wall Streetish NJ town where our sons played, a lot of moms were realty agents and they were the ones in heels who aerated the edges of the muddy grass fields. well, once it got warmer in April.
Cornell fans/parents at the Lehigh game:
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mike1960Great pic!
TY. Sometimes photographing quote spring sports is more chilling than winter sports ... other than town rinks with a roof but incomplete sides (like Cass Park, on the Cayuga inlet, when built; we played there as late as 2 a.m.). Or the open-side rink my kid played at in HS in NJ; geez the night games were cold.
The Cornell-Lehigh players other than goalies were in shorts. I had thermal long-johns, insulated-wind resistant-water-resistant pants, a parka, two types of gloves (one for first half, thicker ones for second half). Many/most of the Cornell parents had long, thick, water- and wind-proof coats that went to the knees (photo). In the Wall Streetish NJ town where our sons played, a lot of moms were realty agents and they were the ones in heels who aerated the edges of the muddy grass fields. well, once it got warmer in April.
Cornell fans/parents at the Lehigh game:
I remember wearing heated socks in the old days of watching games in that type of whether,
Lacrosse 2025 Week 2 polls (Week 1 thinking of Ivy teams that played their first games Saturday) are split:
- Coaches/USILA poll (their first of the year) keeps Cornell at #2 behind only Notre dame, ahead of Syracuse, Virginia and Princeton. Yale is 10, Penn 14, Harvard 19.
- Media poll (their third poll of the year plus pre-season, thus this is called Week 2) drops Cornell from third to fourth, behind ND, Maryland and Hopkins, ahead of Princeton. Harvard is 15, Yale 16 (was 9), Penn 17.
Lehigh on the strength of its 0-3 start and losing by only 8 goals to Cornell, climbs from also-mention to #20 by the coaches.
Our Saturday 11 am (not noon) Schoellkopf opponent Denver 2-1 is #9 coaches/USILA, #12 media poll. They lost 13-10 hosting Hopkins, beat Air Force 14-8 and just got by Utah 10-8 last weekend.
At least early on, the media poll shows way more poll repositioning after a loss or big win: Maryland (beat Syracuse) 6 to 2, Syracuse 2 to 6, 2-0 Army 12 to 8, 2-1 Richmond 25 to 12 (in a poll that only goes to 20).
Polls via Inside Lacrosse: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2025
Is anyone else irrationally infuriated when sites list games scores like this (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/lehigh/2025)?
Yes, I know, it's ubiquitous in Europe and for all I know the way I am used to is probably unique to North America. But just because you're biased doesn't mean you're wrong. I fervidly maintain that when you are listing a team's results you should put them first, because it is from their POV. It makes it simple to scan the list quickly for patterns.
yeah its dumb.
Quote from: TrotskyIs anyone else irrationally infuriated when sites list games scores like this (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/lehigh/2025)?
Yes, I know, it's ubiquitous in Europe and for all I know the way I am used to is probably unique to North America. But just because you're biased doesn't mean you're wrong. I fervidly maintain that when you are listing a team's results you should put them first, because it is from their POV. It makes it simple to scan the list quickly for patterns.
And then it's one further step to "these are shithole countries and should be annexed, made the 52nd State" (I believe we've got State 51 lined up although it does have about 50 electoral votes so ....)
A couple of the lax sites are having trouble parsing data tables thus you see empty space when a team has zero wins or zero losses. Below.
Some colleges (and Cornell Alumni Magazine, RIP) always put the Cornell score first as in, Cornell lost a closely contested basketball game, ultimately falling to Dartmouth 49 to 88.
Quote from: TrotskyIs anyone else irrationally infuriated when sites list games scores like this (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/lehigh/2025)?
Yes, I know, it's ubiquitous in Europe and for all I know the way I am used to is probably unique to North America. But just because you're biased doesn't mean you're wrong. I fervidly maintain that when you are listing a team's results you should put them first, because it is from their POV. It makes it simple to scan the list quickly for patterns.
it is so chaotic to go with home-team-first on *your own team site*.
Start with W or L then either winning team first or your team first. Either is fine. *bangs gavel*
Army 12, Yale 3 after 3
Quote from: Al DeFlorioArmy 12, Yale 3 after 3
Final score 14-3. I braved the cold to go to the game and enjoyed every second of it, as Yale looked terrible.
Army set the tone by winning the opening faceoff and scoring just four seconds into the game. It was 7-0 before Yale scored a transition goal off a faceoff late in the first period. Yale got it to 7-2 early in the second period, but that was the closest it came.
My favorite plays were when Army intercepted a sloppy pass by a Yale defenseman, giving the Cadets a 2-0 breakaway; and another play where a Yale long-stick defender lost his stick near midfield while Army was in possession. The Army player realized what had happened and raced toward the goal and scored as I was chanting "stick-less" to myself.
The Army goalie played well, making 16 saves, but it was still surprising to see Yale's offense looking so bad after it has been such an explosive team for many years.
Yale is now 0-2, and Army is 3-0. Coming into the game, Army was ranked No. 8 and Yale No. 16, so this didn't qualify as an upset. But few could have expected Army to win so convincingly.
it made the line of Army -1.5 look bad as well.
Pretty awful start in non conference play from the ivies and we need to turn it around fast because you don't get too much of it in lacrosse. A win this weekend against Denver would be big to allow us some margin of error through the rest of the season.
Quote from: chimpfoodPretty awful start in non conference play from the ivies and we need to turn it around fast because you don't get too much of it in lacrosse. A win this weekend against Denver would be big to allow us some margin of error through the rest of the season.
Hard agree here. Ivy losses (and maybe wins) will not be looked at kindly at the end of the year. Need to really focus on getting these non-conference wins
game moved to 1130 I guess
Tomorrow, I'd like to see a disciplined, tough, shut-down defensive effort. If we want to achieve our goals, we're going to need this all year. If the O has an off day (and we had a couple last year), the D can always bring the wood and keep us close.
Scratch that. Athletics website now says 11:30 AM.
ESPN+ says game starts at 11:30 AM. Athletics website says 11 AM. Does anyone know if the game is underway?
It's starting right now (11:30)
Cornell coming out strong. Good ball movement.
3-0 Good guys, first quarter, time out
It looks like Denver might change goalies.
Bozzi let the Denver midfielder get topside. He needs to shade the ballcarrier and push him down the lane.
3-1 Cornell.
Cornell 6-1 at the end of the first.
Cascadden is winning faceoffs. Goldstein playing really well at the X, fearlessly passing around the field. CJ is playing unselfishly and keeping the offense humming.
Pretty much a beat down so far, Denver has had 2 goalie changes and the second quarter has barely started
9-1 Good guys.
Great team play and great individual play. Charlie Box made a miraculous play to keep the ball from going out of bounds on the clear. CJ and Firth both scored unbelievable goals.
Great team effort by the defense.
Does anyone know the story on Barry Leonard? I really miss him on the call.
10-1 Cornell. Halftime.
Cornell 10, Denver 1 at the half. Yowza!
Pretty clear that Denver isn't actually a top 20 team but a 10-1 lead over anyone is great.
11-3 Cornell. Timeout. Alex Holmes went down with a non-contact injury. It looks bad.
Defensive mistakes are allowing goals. On the last one, Rayhill decided to take himself out of position on the double team, leaving his man wide open from 15 right in front of the goal.
11-4 Cornell, 5:45 in the third.
This time Walker Wallace left his guy wide open topside. Easy shot from 15 yards.
11-5 Cornell.
11-5 Cornell, end of the third.
15-5 now. CJ Kirst running wild on the Denver defense
CJ is on fire. Stopped a Denver run by flat beating a long stick and hitting a very narrow opening. Great shots from the wing. And now a bounce shot from top left. Wow.
Game.
15-5 Cornell.
After last year, this one feels pretty good.
the one non contact injury is a bummer
I thought Denver was a powerhouse. What happened to them?
Quote from: mike1960Does anyone know the story on Barry Leonard? I really miss him on the call.
He was said to be out with an illness last season. His twitter bio now says "Former Radio/TV announcer for Cornell Athletics." No posts since last May. https://x.com/barryleonard3
Quote from: upprdeckthe one non contact injury is a bummer
Who is that?
Quote from: CU77Quote from: upprdeckthe one non contact injury is a bummer
Who is that?
Alex Holmes, senior, 2nd line middie. He pulled up from a leg injury and crumbled to the ground, stick and ball flying out of his hand. He was helped off and couldn't put weight on one leg. I fear the worst.
Quote from: mike1960... Rayhill ...
i know i could look this up but... related to Jimmy?
Quote from: TrotskyI thought Denver was a powerhouse. What happened to them?
It was a Red freight train.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960... Rayhill ...
i know i could look this up but... related to Jimmy?
Brothers.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960... Rayhill ...
i know i could look this up but... related to Jimmy?
Brother
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: CU77Quote from: upprdeckthe one non contact injury is a bummer
Who is that?
Alex Holmes, senior, 2nd line middie. He pulled up from a leg injury and crumbled to the ground, stick and ball flying out of his hand. He was helped off and couldn't put weight on one leg. I fear the worst.
Ouch, sorry to hear it.
Harvard beat Syracuse 15-14 in a thriller.
Quote from: TrotskyI thought Denver was a powerhouse. What happened to them?
No help from the refs this time
CJ beat Denver this year -- Kirst 6 Denver 5. Looking at the stats he was 6 for 6 -- every shot was a goal! How often does that happen with a player who scores multiple goals?
Quote from: dag14CJ beat Denver this year -- Kirst 6 Denver 5. Looking at the stats he was 6 for 6 -- every shot was a goal! How often does that happen with a player who scores multiple goals?
Keeping Denver to 5 goals is very impressive. I notice we brought the double almost every time the ballcarrier was near the 5x5. We weren't going to get beat there. Lots of sticks on the shooting gloves/arms and some good trail checks. Very well done.
I don't know if the two long pole defensive mistakes that led to goals were player mistakes. If the two long poles were hot, then I think it's a coaching mistake to double from the topside. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It felt really cold when we finally got to the start of the Denver game, a half-hour late or a half-hour early, take your pick on the orignal noon or modified 11 am start time. Temps got to the mid-30s in the second half and it seems warmer when you're putting together a lacrosse clinic and a beatdown on the school the kept us from the Frozen Four.
Senior CJ Kirst was amazing. He's so good we should start panicking about the 2026 season. (#TheCornellWay) The defense esp. goalie Wyatt Knust was really good. Knust's save percentage (13x18) was 72%. I'm not sure how much statistics are meaningful here when it's 5-1 and 10-1 after the first two quarters.
I thought last week's opener and the 18-10 winning margin at Lehigh was okay-to-good, not great against a team with 2 games already played (Lehigh lost 9-8 to Richmond today; we play at Richmond Sunday March 2). Cornell against Denver was a level of performance that makes us a possible to be thought of as a final four team. I suspect teams that had a stop-Jeff-Teat defense will try to think of something to slow down Kirst. It's got to be a different defense: Teat was 5-foot-7; Kirst is 6-foot-2 and 210 pounds, same as Ed Marinaro.
Photos: CJ Kirst. 6G, 2A. Yowzah.
Cornell defense (in white) (yeah, it was confusing)
644 fans and a whole lot of snow:
Great pics, thanks!
Polls 2/24/25 has Cornell 2nd (USILA / coaches) and 3rd (media)
USILA poll: [corrected]
1. Notre Dame
2. Maryland
3. Cornell
4. UNC
5. Duke
Media poll: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2025
1. ND
2. Maryland
3. Cornell
4. NC
5. Army
There seems to be considerably variance, such as Army 14th in the USILA poll and 5th in the coaches poll. I almost thought I was looking at one poll from 2025 and one from 2024
Quote from: billhoward3. Syracuse (3-2 record and the only first-place vote ND didn't get)
You should lose your voting privileges for giving a 2-loss team a first-place vote in February.
How would anyone even vote SU in the top 5? two losses
Maryland is 4-0 and beat them, Harvard is 19th in that same poll
Almost like half those people are not even changing votes from the preaseason
IL screwed up, that has to be results from some other year. Here is the real USILA poll: https://usila.org/index.aspx
1. Notre Dame
2. Maryland
3. Cornell
4. UNC
5. Duke
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhoward3. Syracuse (3-2 record and the only first-place vote ND didn't get)
You should lose your voting privileges for giving a 2-loss team a first-place vote in February.
That's crazy. But polls are meaningless until they are not.
Edit: Happy to see the corrected polls.
There is a game today.
Warmest game of the year so far
Quote from: upprdeckThere is a game today.
Warmest game of the year so far
The oldest lacrosse rivalry. Free online!
Game stream is here:
https://hwsathletics.com/watch/?Live=1827&type=Live
1 -1
Nice to see Chris Davis playing
2-1 Hobart.
The Hobart goalie has 4 saves already, two or three of them quality saves.
Hobart are playing well. We'll need step it up.
Quote from: mike19601 -1
Nice to see Chris Davis playing
Nope. That was Long with the goal. Davis is injured.
That was Long with the goal, not Davis.
Four three goals by Hobart from the right 5x5.
5-3 Hobart ahead.
Quote from: jjanow99That was Long with the goal, not Davis.
Thanks!
Red not looking like the #3 team in the country ...
Cascaden only 2/8, not looking good
5-3 Hobart end of the 1st.
Hobart is winning faceoffs and shooting on goal. They are playing hard and well. Some turnovers.
Cornell is getting shots but so far the goalie is keeping them in check.
The Hobart announcer is kind of judgey about things.
Quote from: jjanow99Cascaden only 2/8, not looking good
Maybe give Ricci a go.
Better turn faceoffs around.
Wyatt is having a tough day.
Night and day from Saturday
Nightmare start.
Hobart playing with great confidence.
walker Wallace on the turnover and fast break. Needed that one.
7-4 Hobart.
Cascadden faceoff win and goal.
7-6 Hobart
CJ whips from side left. Five in a row for Cornell.
9-7 Good Guys
4:30 left in the firth half.
Goldstein around the back of the net, slam dunk.
10-7 Cornell
Kelleher has missed the net like four five times.
Caddigan top left from 15 yards on the EMO.
11-7 Cornell, end of the first half.
Better defense, better on faceoffs, and better goalie play. I didn't see as many free hands shots from Hobart during the Cornell run.
11-7 Red at half
Did Singer get back in the game? He limped off at the end of the first quarter.
Quote from: jjanow99Did Singer get back in the game? He limped off at the end of the first quarter.
He's back in there.
Cornell 12-7.
Hobart goal, side right. Our long pole turned his back on the shot.
13-8 Cornell.
Sweet give and go, CJ to Bartolotto.
16-8 Cornell
17-9 Cornell, end of the third.
Nice pass from CJ to Dalton at the doorstep.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: jjanow99Cascaden only 2/8, not looking good
Maybe give Ricci a go.
Ricci 0-4
CJ scores, and no one celebrates.
18-9 Cornell.
After getting hit in the mouth, Cornell finds its legs.
22-9 Final.
Red wake up and end with a 15-2 run.
I'd like to see the starters pulled sooner than 5 min to go. Watching CJ selling out on the ride when up by a zillion is scary ...
I couldn't watch but Jesus Kirst is ridiculous.
I suspect that if it wasn't the 2nd game of the season the starters would have been pulled earlier.
Quote from: chimpfoodI couldn't watch but Jesus Kirst is ridiculous.
Jesus Kirst.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodI couldn't watch but Jesus Kirst is ridiculous.
Jesus Kirst.
Sounds right.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodI couldn't watch but Jesus Kirst is ridiculous.
Jesus Kirst.
So that's what the J is short for!
Hobart led 3-1 and [edit add] 7-3 but went down 11-7 at the half and Cornell won the secnd half 11-2 ...
Cornell 3 8 6 5 — 22
Hobart 5 2 2 0 — 9
CJ Kirst, 6G, 6A — 12 points today. Started the season at Lehigh with 6-0—6 then 6-2—8 in the home opener against Denver. Kirst has 18 of Cornell's 55 goals and is on a theoretical pace to finish with 113 points in the regular season. Scoring comes harder once we see top 20 and top 10 competition.
Wyatt Knust and (last 3 minutes) Matthew Tully combined for a .667 save percentage.
On to Richmond for a 1 pm Sunday game. (Be on ESPN+). Them home against Penn State 12 noon Saturday, March 8, same weekend as women likely hosting the ECAC hockey semifinals/finals and the men likely hosting a first-round game.
Quote from: billhowardHobart led 3-1 but then ... [code]
Actually, Hobart led 7-3 early in the second quarter.
Quote from: dag14I suspect that if it wasn't the 2nd game of the season the starters would have been pulled earlier.
It was the third, but who's counting?
Quote from: CU77Quote from: dag14I suspect that if it wasn't the 2nd game of the season the starters would have been pulled earlier.
It was the third, but who's counting?
I actually knew that but sort of forgot about Lehigh after the Denver delight. Same thought after 3 games. Look at the rough start against Hobart -- every minute playing with your line against outside competition is helpful.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodI couldn't watch but Jesus Kirst is ridiculous.
Jesus Kirst.
So that's what the J is short for!
I hope the band can start attending lacrosse games. And when they do, they should play the opening chords of "Superstar" from
Jesus Christ Superstar whenever Kirst scores.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodI couldn't watch but Jesus Kirst is ridiculous.
Jesus Kirst.
So that's what the J is short for!
I hope the band can start attending lacrosse games. And when they do, they should play the opening chords of "Superstar" from Jesus Christ Superstar whenever Kirst scores.
"How many goals have you scored so far?"
Quote from: RichHQuote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodI couldn't watch but Jesus Kirst is ridiculous.
Jesus Kirst.
So that's what the J is short for!
I hope the band can start attending lacrosse games. And when they do, they should play the opening chords of "Superstar" from Jesus Christ Superstar whenever Kirst scores.
"How many goals have you scored so far?"
It took me a while to get this, but you're right: "Jesus, Kirst; superstar! How many goals have you scored so far?" ::banana::
I am hopeful that the coaching staff is working on building depth for the offensive midfield in light of the injuries to Nikolic and Holmes. Its why you carry a roster of over 50-right? Am hopeful some one will emerge as we don't want to run the 1st midfield into the ground like Tambroni did when he was coach on the Hill.
Quote from: rss77I am hopeful that the coaching staff is working on building depth for the offensive midfield in light of the injuries to Nikolic and Holmes. Its why you carry a roster of over 50-right? Am hopeful some one will emerge as we don't want to run the 1st midfield into the ground like Tambroni did when he was coach on the Hill.
I think the fruits of the excellent recruiting by this coaching staff over the past few years is paying off big-time to fill the gap. Ryan Waldman showed right away that he could be more than a placeholder on the 2nd midfield, and then with Holmes going down, a combination of Luzzi, McGovern, Lamb and Bartolotto have all done a fine job when called upon. While it's tough to lose guys, we're in a much better place depth-wise than we would have been in 5 years ago.
22 minutes of highlights of the Hobart game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FmufPOLNks
Penn never really in it vs UNC
Tigers takes down Duke
they switch on Sunday
Watching Rudy v. Maryland. We're going to have to play our best to beat these guys, but we are very capable.
Great game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. The screener moved to his right three or four steps to prevent the defensive player from staying with the ball carrier coming over the top. It didn't make any difference in the outcome, but I thought, wow, how can you not call that.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. The screener moved to his right three or four steps to prevent the defensive player from staying with the ball carrier coming over the top. It didn't make any difference in the outcome, but I thought, wow, how can you not call that.
By "screen" I understand an offensive player being in position to make it difficult for the defending GK to see the ball and/or the offensive player handling it. Screening does not necessarily impede the motion of anyone on the defending team. Of course, every player has the right to be in their space, so a screening player may stand still and impede the motion of a defending player.
A moving pick, on the other hand, moves to impede a defending player.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. The screener moved to his right three or four steps to prevent the defensive player from staying with the ball carrier coming over the top. It didn't make any difference in the outcome, but I thought, wow, how can you not call that.
By "screen" I understand an offensive player being in position to make it difficult for the defending GK to see the ball and/or the offensive player handling it. Screening does not necessarily impede the motion of anyone on the defending team. Of course, every player has the right to be in their space, so a screening player may stand still and impede the motion of a defending player.
A moving pick, on the other hand, moves to impede a defending player.
I see what you're saying - screening the goalie. I think the term can be used in both contexts. I don't recall the rulebook using the term "pick," but we know that that means.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. The screener moved to his right three or four steps to prevent the defensive player from staying with the ball carrier coming over the top. It didn't make any difference in the outcome, but I thought, wow, how can you not call that.
By "screen" I understand an offensive player being in position to make it difficult for the defending GK to see the ball and/or the offensive player handling it. Screening does not necessarily impede the motion of anyone on the defending team. Of course, every player has the right to be in their space, so a screening player may stand still and impede the motion of a defending player.
A moving pick, on the other hand, moves to impede a defending player.
I see what you're saying - screening the goalie. I think the term can be used in both contexts. I don't recall the rulebook using the term "pick," but we know that that means.
The one thing I would add is that a pick does not have to be used for separating a defensive player from
the ball carrier. For example, a play can start with an attackman having the ball behind the other team's goal and a wing middie setting a pick for the defender guarding the center middie; the center middie runs parallel to GLE and turns toward the goal at the pick; once the center middie is free of the defender, thanks to the pick, the attackman passes the ball to the center middie for a quick-stick shot. In general, such picks can be used to free a teammate from their defender so that the teammate can shoot, receive a pass, or otherwise do something a defender could prevent.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. The screener moved to his right three or four steps to prevent the defensive player from staying with the ball carrier coming over the top. It didn't make any difference in the outcome, but I thought, wow, how can you not call that.
By "screen" I understand an offensive player being in position to make it difficult for the defending GK to see the ball and/or the offensive player handling it. Screening does not necessarily impede the motion of anyone on the defending team. Of course, every player has the right to be in their space, so a screening player may stand still and impede the motion of a defending player.
A moving pick, on the other hand, moves to impede a defending player.
I see what you're saying - screening the goalie. I think the term can be used in both contexts. I don't recall the rulebook using the term "pick," but we know that that means.
The one thing I would add is that a pick does not have to be used for separating a defensive player from the ball carrier. For example, a play can start with an attackman having the ball behind the other team's goal and a wing middie setting a pick for the defender guarding the center middie; the center middie runs parallel to GLE and turns toward the goal at the pick; once the center middie is free of the defender, thanks to the pick, the attackman passes the ball to the center middie for a quick-stick shot. In general, such picks can be used to free a teammate from their defender so that the teammate can shoot, receive a pass, or otherwise do something a defender could prevent.
Yes. The same rules apply. The screener has to establish position (can't be moving). If not, it's called interference (not an illegal pick/screen).
They call moving picks way more strict in lacrosse than in basketball or other sports. I definitely could've seen one being called on that last goal but yeah good thing it didn't end up mattering
Quote from: chimpfoodThey call moving picks way more strict in lacrosse than in basketball or other sports. I definitely could've seen one being called on that last goal but yeah good thing it didn't end up mattering
One thing the refs don't call is unnecessary roughness when the defensive player plows through the pick. I know it's a perfect occasion for a flop, but I've seen a few cases where it definitely wasn't a flop, and it wasn't called.
Chris Davis is on Cornell lacrosse's Instagram poster for the game today. Will he play?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGswitlRmNa/
1-6 down start; turnovers: poor clears; poor shot selection; strong Richmond tender
Meanwhile Princeton completes its weekend sweep of Duke and UNC.
yup. passing has been awful. You would normally have seen 2-3 of those shots go in. Ground ball energy lacking, And too many long range shots not saved
Quote from: Al DeFlorio1-6 down start; turnovers: poor clears; poor shot selection; strong Richmond tender
Couldn't have gone much worse. Richmond is doing a really good job against our clears. We need to get open and move the ball.
We still let guys have free hands shooting between 10 and 15 yards. Wyatt is having a tough time right now.
We haven't seen the ball much on O. On that last possession, the long pole D just poked the stick and took the ball.
Nice Cornell run to make it 4-6, but then Box lost his man in front of the goal and Richmond gets another.
4-7
Richmond had another man open for a pass in the middle and we were lucky he didn't drain it. We need to button that up.
Drained one later 6-8; gotta close it to even
7-8 at the half
8-7 Spiders at the half.
Cornell played a lot better than quarter. More ground balls, face off wins, and clears.
I'm impressed with the Spiders defense. They are not afraid to play tough on the ball, they slide fast and hard, and they are active off the ball. Cornell can score because we're so good on offense, but it takes very good play.
Not getting good shots
I've whined a lot here about the TV coverage. It's been excellent today. The camera operator is giving us a great view of the field. And it's an absolute treat hearing Dom Starsia talk about a lacrosse game.
8-10 Richmond ahead at the end of the third.
The Spiders defense is giving us trouble. Our coaches need to identify a weakness and exploit it.
Quote from: mike19608-10 Richmond ahead at the end of the third.
The Spiders defense is giving us trouble. Our coaches need to identify a weakness and exploit it.
Offense struggling a la Penn games last year
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike19608-10 Richmond ahead at the end of the third.
The Spiders defense is giving us trouble. Our coaches need to identify a weakness and exploit it.
Offense struggling a la Penn games last year
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
Nice rebound and shot by Hugh Kelleher.
11-11 tied. Cornell with the ball. 5 minutes left.
CJ is looking to get more involved right now.
12-11 Cornell
We didn't play for a good shot on our possession with 2:30 minutes left. We just ran out the shot clock. I hope that wasn't a mistake.
12-11 Cornell win.
Whew.
Red survive, Long with the game winning goal on a terrific dodge from X
Quote from: mike1960We didn't play for a good shot on our possession with 2:30 minutes left. We just ran out the shot clock. I hope that wasn't a mistake.
How could it not be? One goal lead in a faceoff game?
Ugly, but a win.
Great game for Michael Long. It would be nice to not spot the other team a decent lead though!
Quote from: CU77Red survive, Long with the game winning goal on a terrific dodge from X
Left handed!
So many bad passes and empty possessions we never got rolling.
Quote from: mike1960I've whined a lot here about the TV coverage. It's been excellent today. The camera operator is giving us a great view of the field. And it's an absolute treat hearing Dom Starsia talk about a lacrosse game.
Starsia was football player at Valley Stream HS who picked up lacrosse when he matriculated Brown. Brown at the time had a goalie who sat down and reclined against the goal pipe when the ball was in the other end. Maybe he was against the Vietnam War but as an athlete was too busy for any other sit-down/sit-in. But no matter, we beat Bruno 10-8 in the run to the 1970-71 NCAA championship, then Army 17-16 in the semifinal -- our two Northern opponents -- then doubled up Maryland in the title game.
Starsia is an absolutely sensational color guy. Sorry, Chico Resch.
strange game, was trying to remember the last time I saw a contest with a total of zero man up situations
(not saying that Cornell didnt have some no-calls, were certainly a few pushes and moving picks I thought Richmond got away with)
Casscadan won a ton of faceoffs cleanly out the front, and then bobbled the scoop leading to an eventual Richmond groundball
Is this a technique issue? Stick head well suited to controlling the clamp but not securing the GB?
Quote from: Cornell95strange game, was trying to remember the last time I saw a contest with a total of zero man up situations
(not saying that Cornell didnt have some no-calls, were certainly a few pushes and moving picks I thought Richmond got away with)
Casscadan won a ton of faceoffs cleanly out the front, and then bobbled the scoop leading to an eventual Richmond groundball
Is this a technique issue? Stick head well suited to controlling the clamp but not securing the GB?
Cornell got away with a penalty on a possession push, but other than that, I didn't see a lot of missed calls. To me, it felt like a clean, well-reffed game.
About Cascadden's stick, that could definitely be an issue. Like a lot of FOGO guys, he's not super proficient handling the ball, especially with D1 defensive guys whacking on him. Hence the GO in FOGO.
FO-GFO
Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722
Quote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722
Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.
Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.
In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.
This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.
Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.
Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. The screener moved to his right three or four steps to prevent the defensive player from staying with the ball carrier coming over the top. It didn't make any difference in the outcome, but I thought, wow, how can you not call that.
You're right, and I stand corrected. During today's game the announcers referred to play away from the goal (what I called a "pick") as a "screen." Apparently the terms are interchangeable, although the geography of my life has exposed me to only one usage.
By "screen" I understand an offensive player being in position to make it difficult for the defending GK to see the ball and/or the offensive player handling it. Screening does not necessarily impede the motion of anyone on the defending team. Of course, every player has the right to be in their space, so a screening player may stand still and impede the motion of a defending player.
A moving pick, on the other hand, moves to impede a defending player.
I see what you're saying - screening the goalie. I think the term can be used in both contexts. I don't recall the rulebook using the term "pick," but we know that that means.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722
Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.
Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.
In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.
This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.
Coach Starsia knows that Mikey Long is a dominant right player, and apparently Starsia didn't think Long would shoot with the left. But Long has buried it coming around the left side before, but I don't recall that he does it that often.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722
Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.
Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.
In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.
This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.
Coach Starsia knows that Mikey Long is a dominant right player, and apparently Starsia didn't think Long would shoot with the left. But Long has buried it coming around the left side before, but I don't recall that he does it that often.
The defender made the "wrong" decision the first time got burned, then made the "right" decision and got burned. Sometimes you just gotta hand it to a guy like Long. The best thing about being good is that sometimes there are no right answers against you.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722
Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.
Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.
In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.
This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.
Coach Starsia knows that Mikey Long is a dominant right player, and apparently Starsia didn't think Long would shoot with the left. But Long has buried it coming around the left side before, but I don't recall that he does it that often.
The defender made the "wrong" decision the first time got burned, then made the "right" decision and got burned. Sometimes you just gotta hand it to a guy like Long. The best thing about being good is that sometimes there are no right answers against you.
+1
23 minutes of highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSN2vfMtCk
Was-#2 Maryland edged #1 Notre Dame, 11-10, moved into first place in the March 3 lacrosse media poll. Cornell remains #3, would have been hard to move up off a one-goal victory over #14 Richmond, which did move up one spot to 13.
Also, 3-1 Princeton from #8 to #4 (beat NC 14-12). Cornell's next opponent Penn State (12 noon Saturday 3/8, 3 hours before the Cornell-Clarkson ECAC womens semifinal) up one to #8. Syracuse remains 11, Harvard 12, Colgate (which we have played since 2022, and probably should) up two spots to #16, Denver now 4-2 fell one to #16, Penn at 2-3 falls five spots to #18.
Based on these early polls: If only Cornell could have had #5 Army and also-receiving-votes Colgate on the RS schedule, instead of, say, 1-3 SUNY Albany (also receiving votes) because Colgate could be a day trip.
Coaches poll. Updated and corrected after poll released Monday afternoon:
1. Maryland
2. Notre Dame
3. Cornell
4. Princeton
5 Army
6. NC
7. Hopkins
8. Duke
9. Penn State
10. Georgetown
Media poll:
Quote from: billhowardCornell's next opponent Penn State (12 noon Saturday 3/8, 3 hours before the Cornell-Clarkson ECAC womens semifinal)
The Cornell-Clarkson women's hockey semifinal is Friday at 3 pm. The women's ECAC Final is 3 pm on Saturday, teams TBD.
Quote from: billhowardMonday afternoon coaches poll:
That is
not the correct poll! Inside Lacrosse's link is broken. Here is the correct poll:
https://usila.org/index.aspx
Top ten are the same as the media poll with a swap of #8 and #9.
Nice article on Walker Wallace in Inside Lacrosse. I had forgotten that he came in as a goalie, and a highly regarded one at that.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/-everything-i-could-have-hoped-for-cornell-s-walker-wallace-gets-richmond-homecoming-w/64747
does lacrosse have the same rule as hockey where no one else can use the goalie stick?
Quote from: upprdeckdoes lacrosse have the same rule as hockey where no one else can use the goalie stick?
Yes. There are strict requirements on the dimensions of sticks.
No I mean is the goalie the only one who can use the stick or say if players collide and the goalie gets knocked 10 yds out of the play could a D use his stick in the moment? or in that case can anyone swap sticks?
Hockey anyone can except the goalie stick.
Just wondering when Cornell gets to play a home area game in decent temp?
I have a hard time going to a good game like PSU and then sitting in 30 with 20MPH winds feeling like 10 and then want to go sit in the hockey arena for 2 games.
There is a chance we see 40s for the Penn game
Quote from: upprdeckNo I mean is the goalie the only one who can use the stick or say if players collide and the goalie gets knocked 10 yds out of the play could a D use his stick in the moment? or in that case can anyone swap sticks?
Hockey anyone can except the goalie stick.
Just wondering when Cornell gets to play a home area game in decent temp?
I have a hard time going to a good game like PSU and then sitting in 30 with 20MPH winds feeling like 10 and then want to go sit in the hockey arena for 2 games.
There is a chance we see 40s for the Penn game
Sorry I misunderstood. Only the designated goalie can use goalie equipment.
Any advantage to coming early for lax? (Warmups, anything like that?) Or best to arrive as close to 12 as possible? (Also, how long do these games tend to last? If the game starts at 12, does it end by like, 2:30ish and give time to wander to Lynah or will I have to scurry out early for the women's hockey championships?)
Quote from: stereaxAny advantage to coming early for lax? (Warmups, anything like that?) Or best to arrive as close to 12 as possible? (Also, how long do these games tend to last? If the game starts at 12, does it end by like, 2:30ish and give time to wander to Lynah or will I have to scurry out early for the women's hockey championships?)
Should end by shortly after 2.
if the game ends at 2:50 you can still get to lynah in time
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: stereaxAny advantage to coming early for lax? (Warmups, anything like that?) Or best to arrive as close to 12 as possible? (Also, how long do these games tend to last? If the game starts at 12, does it end by like, 2:30ish and give time to wander to Lynah or will I have to scurry out early for the women's hockey championships?)
Should end by shortly after 2.
Sweet, perfect. I usually try to get to Lynah around when the doors open so I've got the time to watch warmups and all :)
Need good defense today. Protect the top. I hope we aren't timid about challenging shots from 10-15. And when we slide, we should really bring them hard and disrupt any attempt at passing to the cutters.
Seats available.
What was the penalty?
Quote from: mike1960What was the penalty?
Hit to head.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: mike1960What was the penalty?
Hit to head.
Thx.
Mikey Long from X with a shortie guarding him. That's $.
3-2 Cornell, 1st.
PSU leading scorer Traynor is not playing.
Live thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
3-2 Cornell at the end of the 1st.
Wyatt is starting off well today. A good sign.
Our offensive passes seem a touch off today.
Yale crushing Denver 7-2 in the first
#16 for PSU stuck a knee in Jesus Kirst's back after he dove for a goal. Not cool.
4-2 Cornell.
Quote from: stereaxLive thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
The goalie stands around hence they get to wear more. The other guys are running nonstop. You don't really get cold when you're running. Also, the ball hurts when it hits you. Would you want to block it with your body with little kit on?
Quote from: ERQuote from: stereaxLive thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
The goalie stands around hence they get to wear more. The other guys are running nonstop. You don't really get cold when you're running. Also, the ball hurts when it hits you. Would you want to block it with your body with little kit on?
Can't they wear padding for that? This sport is confusing lol
Good job on the man down.
I don't know how many times we're going to leave the opponent with free hands on the weak side 5x5. Quite a few goals scored from there on us this year.
6-3 Cornell.
Quote from: stereaxLive thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
Live thoughts 2:
11) Tompkins trust shuffle, feels like I'm back in Lynah already
12) Taunting from the bench after a goal is appreciated
13) Kirst from Firth, Kirst from Firth
14) GET BACK IN YOUR CREASE GOALIE
15) Is lacrosse just slower?
16) Isn't it like, nearly impossible to strip someone of the ball? Given it's in the stick.
17) The guys who stand in the other zone while the rest of the team attacks - don't they get bored? Do they chat with each other?
18) Wait is their penalty box literally just kneeling on the sideline?
19) Again why is a HIT TO THE HEAD a 60 second penalty? And a push is 30? And a slash is 60?
20) Why are there so many timeouts??
6-4 Cornell at the half.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: stereaxLive thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
The goalie stands around hence they get to wear more. The other guys are running nonstop. You don't really get cold when you're running. Also, the ball hurts when it hits you. Would you want to block it with your body with little kit on?
Can't they wear padding for that? This sport is confusing lol
My intro to lacrosse (while growing up in SoCal in the 70s) was an article in Sports Illustrated about Cornell Lax. They quoted the goalie as saying something like "I don't feel that I've played well unless my body is covered with bruises after the game from stopping shots"
It appears to me that Cascadden is in good position to win more face offs, but is just unable to scoop up the ball.
Cornell really not doing well on ground balls in general
Offense takes so long to get to shooting spots
Cornell for a team that scores and gets a ton of possession really gets almost no calls to go on the man up. 5 games and not even 10 chances yet
Defensive mistakes and penalties. We have a championship caliber offense. The defense needs to step it up.
Tim Goldstein has been terrific at X, but I have to say, Mikey Long is so at ease back there, it looks like he was born to play that position.
First interference call I've seen in a while.
Melkonian has mad skillz, as the kids would say.
Wasted possessions
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: stereaxQuote from: ERQuote from: stereaxLive thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
The goalie stands around hence they get to wear more. The other guys are running nonstop. You don't really get cold when you're running. Also, the ball hurts when it hits you. Would you want to block it with your body with little kit on?
Can't they wear padding for that? This sport is confusing lol
My intro to lacrosse (while growing up in SoCal in the 70s) was an article in Sports Illustrated about Cornell Lax. They quoted the goalie as saying something like "I don't feel that I've played well unless my body is covered with bruises after the game from stopping shots"
Damnnn, okay. Maybe I misjudged but it feels like only stick blocks.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: stereaxLive thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
Live thoughts 2:
11) Tompkins trust shuffle, feels like I'm back in Lynah already
12) Taunting from the bench after a goal is appreciated
13) Kirst from Firth, Kirst from Firth
14) GET BACK IN YOUR CREASE GOALIE
15) Is lacrosse just slower?
16) Isn't it like, nearly impossible to strip someone of the ball? Given it's in the stick.
17) The guys who stand in the other zone while the rest of the team attacks - don't they get bored? Do they chat with each other?
18) Wait is their penalty box literally just kneeling on the sideline?
19) Again why is a HIT TO THE HEAD a 60 second penalty? And a push is 30? And a slash is 60?
20) Why are there so many timeouts??
Live thoughts 3:
21) Gloves help a lot with the Cold
22) Powerplay time! They don't call it that though. When do they get back on the field after? Can't tell.
23) Flopping is appreciated. Like soccer.
24) No nameplates on jerseys makes it tough.
25) Why don't more of the sideline guys wear coats???
26) The tradition of yelling at refs extends to every sport.
27) They celebrate saves more than goals
28) Do they just never have faceoffs?
29) God damn, MORE timeouts?
30) Is the field wet? Looks it.
Faceoffs a problem in the second half
Tambroni leaning hard on the first line. Some things never change.
Cornell needed to take a TO there instead of getting out of sorts behind the goal.
I think they have to be in the offensive end to get a TO?
Unintentional helmet-to-helmet from Cascadden. 2 minute nonreleasable. That puts the game in doubt.
Quote from: ChousnakeFaceoffs a problem in the second half
Understatement, unfortunately!
Yeah looked like they just ran into each other.
12-10 1:38 to go.
Something very funny about Yee pumped into a lax game.
Just some bad decisions down the stretch by Cornell. Knust with a bad turnover and Cascadden with a terrible penalty.
Quote from: jjanow99I think they have to be in the offensive end to get a TO?
They had the ball behind the net and were completely out of sorts. Needed a TO right there.
Whew. Got the faceoff and TO. We need to be prepared to take the other TO if need be.
Quote from: mike1960Whew. Got the faceoff and TO. We need to be prepared to take the other TO if need be.
I don't understand being in a position to be forced out of bounds there.
Ouch. PSU played that very well.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: stereaxQuote from: stereaxLive thoughts:
1) It's cold as FUCK
2) Do goalies just suck in lacrosse?
3) How is a hit to head only 1 minute?
4) We don't chant red during the anthem?
5) The sideline is loud as hell
6) Why's the goalie the only one who gets to wear real pants and a sweater?
7) Don't they get cold???
8) Tracking the ball is harder than tracking the puck in hockey.
9) Those dudes with crutches showing up on the sideline for the team. Respect. Freezing their asses off too, I bet. At least they get coats.
10) Hey our goalie made some cool saves! Can they body block? Why don't they body block?
Live thoughts 2:
11) Tompkins trust shuffle, feels like I'm back in Lynah already
12) Taunting from the bench after a goal is appreciated
13) Kirst from Firth, Kirst from Firth
14) GET BACK IN YOUR CREASE GOALIE
15) Is lacrosse just slower?
16) Isn't it like, nearly impossible to strip someone of the ball? Given it's in the stick.
17) The guys who stand in the other zone while the rest of the team attacks - don't they get bored? Do they chat with each other?
18) Wait is their penalty box literally just kneeling on the sideline?
19) Again why is a HIT TO THE HEAD a 60 second penalty? And a push is 30? And a slash is 60?
20) Why are there so many timeouts??
Live thoughts 3:
21) Gloves help a lot with the Cold
22) Powerplay time! They don't call it that though. When do they get back on the field after? Can't tell.
23) Flopping is appreciated. Like soccer.
24) No nameplates on jerseys makes it tough.
25) Why don't more of the sideline guys wear coats???
26) The tradition of yelling at refs extends to every sport.
27) They celebrate saves more than goals
28) Do they just never have faceoffs?
29) God damn, MORE timeouts?
30) Is the field wet? Looks it.
Live thoughts 4 , the finale:
31) The goalie squatting with his stick held in front of his face will never not be funny to me. Especially when he's facing the net so his butt is towards the field.
32) Does the rush simply not exist in lacrosse?
33) So the sidelines are suggestions?
34) OKAY THAT WAS A RUSH GOAL HELL YES
35) Sitting on the ground not contributing to a play is encouraged
36) Oh my days that guy Goldstein just slung the ball through like 8 screens and still scored
37) Oh so the refs here also do game management penalties?
38) SO NOW A HIT TO THE HEAD IS TWO MINUTES??? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
39) Their goalie's save percentage is in the 20s. Ours is under 50. Is this normal?
40) OVERTIME???
I can't believe this...
CJ tried to do too much and was pushed out of bounds. Penn State gets the ball, scores, and ties the game.
Quote from: jjanow99I can't believe this...
So disappointing
Why no TO when CJ in trouble?
Why didn't Cornell call TO when Kirst was in danger?
Well then.
Disgustingly disappointing.
That was clearly Mike Schafer's fault. -- eLynah
I always thought the shot clock should be shorter in OT. It's a four min period and they have 80 seconds per possession?
Gee maybe work on man down D this week?
Quote from: TrotskyThat was clearly Mike Schafer's fault. -- eLynah
I mean this was clearly the coaching staff's fault
Mad D was great unil the last 2 min of the game
Still 2 min penalty for that is just a dumb part of the Lax rule book
Big mistake by Cascadden. He wanted to put his shoulder into the player but hit him with the top of his helmet instead.
This was a bad loss. I hope we learn from it. Maybe this will give us anger fuel for Princeton.
I need to go back and watch the replay
but I agree, I didnt think possession was established, both players ran in for GB with heads down
how does Cascadan draw the 2min non releasable there ??
Most horrible loss since 2009?
What the fuck was that? Aside from all the other terrible mistakes, the coaching staff forgot they could call TO?
Started with the goalie giveaway goal and downhill fast. 55 min of controlled D and 4 min of bad
Quote from: Cornell95I need to go back and watch the replay
but I agree, I didnt think possession was established, both players ran in for GB with heads down
how does Cascadan draw the 2min non releasable there ??
It wasn't intentional, but he did hit the PSU guy in the facemask with the top of his helmet. Clear penalty. Any ref would call that a 2 minute nonreleasable.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyThat was clearly Mike Schafer's fault. -- eLynah
I mean this was clearly the coaching staff's fault
We played well overall until the end. EMO defense is tough. I have one quibble (besides the use of timeouts): We did not seem to know what to do when we have to kill time and the D is doubling the ball. Having CJ run around with the ball is not a good plan. Did we work on this scenario?
why did CJ run back to the end line is the question. just contuniue around. leaves the option of shooting as well to keep the ball
Quote from: upprdeckwhy did CJ run back to the end line is the question. just contuniue around. leaves the option of shooting as well to keep the ball
The D guys forced him in that direction. They weren't going to let him have the field. And the out-of-bounds line is a D player's friend. They did a good job. In fact, overall, I think the PSU defense played well today, with only a few breakdowns.
will be some tough film review
significant turn was the unforced turnover when we were on the EMO, up 7-4
PSU long pole scored in transition to make it 7-5
Cornell coaching staff will look back on use of timeouts as well
Learning opportunities, tough Princeton squad up next
(would be nice to have field temps above 45)
Terrible loss. I don't know about that cascadden penalty, seems like he had his head down and just accidentally ran the guy over. The man down unit was terrible, sticks weren't even up and if were that tight and not knocking down passes all that's gonna happen is goals against us. Knust was terrible, don't think he made a single high save all day and he also let like 5 posts get rung. Also can't understand why malkonian was out there for the last faceoff. While he "won" the one before, it wasn't a real win. PSU won it clean then just dropped it.
Quote from: jjanow99I think they have to be in the offensive end to get a TO?
My apologies. I misunderstood your question and the rule. I could have sworn that the offense could call a timeout anywhere on the field. I looked it up and it says the player with the ball must have a foot within the "restraining line in the offensive end of the field."
Here's the rule:
Team Timeouts
SECTION 27. When the ball is dead, only a member of either team who is on
the field or a team's head coach may request an official to call timeout.
During play, team timeouts may be called by a field player of the team in
possession of the ball or by that team's head coach only when the player in
possession of the ball has contact with the ground with at least one foot in
contact with the ground on or across the restraining line in the offensive end
of the field.
Quote from: mike1960Tim Goldstein has been terrific at X, but I have to say, Mikey Long is so at ease back there, it looks like he was born to play that position.
I wasn't at today's game, and I haven't had the chance yet to watch it on TV (curse you IRS!). But I'm pretty sure that Tim must have been watching from the stands unless Ryan is injured. Of course we'd love to have both of them playing. Mom too!
Fucking brutal ending. Up 4 goals with under 5 minutes to play and posession. Really didn't need to do anything but deflate the ball for the entire shot clock and play defense. The Penn State team was way short on offensive talent today. Let a top 10 victory slip away.
That said, the Big Red are a really good lacrosse team and I fully expect them to continue to play great lacrosse throughout the rest of the regular season and hopefully well into the NCAA tournament.
We sometimes forget that these are games and an element of luck contributes to the outcome. Cascadden's unfortunate penalty was accidental contact but it was a shot to the head. Without the 2 minute unreleasable penalty Penn State does not win IMO. (Could've, would've, should've). Let's see if the Red use this game for motivation to fire up against Princeton.
Quote from: rss77We sometimes forget that these are games and an element of luck contributes to the outcome. Cascadden's unfortunate penalty was accidental contact but it was a shot to the head. Without the 2 minute unreleasable penalty Penn State does not win IMO. (Could've, would've, should've). Let's see if the Red use this game for motivation to fire up against Princeton.
Great point! This is sport. You never know how the ball will bounce. But that's one of the things that makes it exciting. I wore my lucky Cornell hoodie today but it just didn't have enough mojo.
See you next week! Go Big Red!
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyThat was clearly Mike Schafer's fault. -- eLynah
I mean this was clearly the coaching staff's fault
We played well overall until the end. EMO defense is tough. I have one quibble (besides the use of timeouts): We did not seem to know what to do when we have to kill time and the D is doubling the ball. Having CJ run around with the ball is not a good plan. Did we work on this scenario?
I agree. You don't want to get him injured. The short stick defenders like Gilmartin and Bozzi have great clearing skills so I would think a unit with those two could kill a minute or two.
Princeton moves ahead of Cornell in latest top 20 rankings.
2. Princeton
6. Cornell
13. Harvard
18. Penn
Yeah, the warmups are fun to watch. You can still find good seats a minute before the opening faceoff. Which is at 12 noon and you'll at least 90 minutes after the Princeton game ends to stroll over to Lynah for the 4 pm puck drop.
For hockey, you have to decide, do you want to see the Cornell women in the NCAA quarterfinals at Lynah at 4 pm versus the Minnesota/Dulluth—Sacred Heart winner or the Cornell-Colgate ECAC QF at 7 in Hamilton, 90 minutes away from Ithaca.
We're choosing Ithaca for the weekend so we can see Cornell-Princeton lax, which will likely decides the Ivy League championship, then women's hockey in person as well, and the men's game on TV.
I'm guessing the team is working on breaking the 10-man ride this week.
Quote from: mike1960I'm guessing the team is working on breaking the 10-man ride this week.
Also, dealing with being double-teamed.
Good start with Princeton in town. Waldman to [NAME I FORGOT] and Kirst to Goldstein to go up 2-1. Both really nice passes to guys who were all alone. Knust witn an early save.
Quote from: ugarteGood start with Princeton in town. Waldman to [NAME I FORGOT] and Kirst to Goldstein to go up 2-1. Both really nice passes to guys who were all alone. Knust witn an early save.
Great game so far. Good play on both sides. Princeton tried to get up top early and scored one. Cornell D has been much better playing tough in front of the goal from 10-15.
Looks like Princeton might have a little weakness keeping track of the X. Let's see if we can get a couple more to Goldstein on the doorstep.
5-2 Good Guys.
Great play so far. It looks like Cornell might have the edge on speed with our short sticks on offense.
Willem Firth might be our next superstar. He's pretty darned good.
5-2 end of Q1. Red D looking way better than last week.
Quote from: CU775-2 end of Q1. Red D looking way better than last week.
It's still the first 55 minutes and we have a full compliment on the field but so far so good!
Jesus Kirst down the alley and hits a narrow angle for a goal. Ties the great Mike French for goals scored!
Wyatt has had a great same so far.
We've been successful on ground balls and getting to the end lines on shots. Some sloppy passes though and turnovers.
Kirst passes French as all-time leading scorer
A little French pastry from CJ.
I miss Barry.
Quote from: mike1960A little French pastry from CJ.
I miss Barry.
First chance I've had to tune in this year, and I was just thinking that. The espn+ feed is in that glitchy digital scanning mode again.
P improving at the X and scoring more as a result.
8-6 at the half. 1:00 EMO to start the second half. Is that releasable?
Tiger Goalie has kept this game close given the close shots cornell has not put home.
A good solid half of play. Wyatt has made some quality saves. We're patient on offense and getting good shots. Our defense has played well for the most part, but mental lapses even for a second can lead to goals, e.g., Mackasey free hands at top right for Princeton's 4th goal. We are being very judicious on our slides today, and it's working well.
We had another unfortunate penalty (cross check) that led to an EMO goal, thankfully not a non-releasable. We need to remember we're playing lacrosse, not who's the tough guy.
About even on faceoffs. That's about where we need to be to stop the runs. I like the name Melkonian. It sounds like something from the Periodic Chart of Elements.
11-9 Cornell. End of the 3rd.
I still think they can hit Goldstein for a pass coming from the back of the net. Someone would need to rotate for the backup.
13-9 Cornell with 12:28 left. We've been here before. Let's just keep playing good, solid lacrosse. No penalties.
My announcers have gone silent. Seems like ESPN+ has taken a step backwards this year in terms of quality
15-9 Cornell, 8:31 left in the game.
I don't like this. We're playing to run down the clock to zero, instead of playing to shoot after running down the clock.
Good TO by Coach to give the D a break after a long possession.
15-9 Cornell, 3:41 left.
The second our ballcarrier was double-teamed on the backline, Coach called a TO.
15-10 Good Guys.
A solid win against an excellent team. The defense was outstanding today. We fought hard all day, allowing very few hands free shots. Wyatt was really solid in the nets. Cascadden was great down the stretch to prevent any Princeton runs. All day we got our sticks up and in the lanes, causing some turnovers, and we hustled hard for the ground ball and end lines on shots. We fought hard against the clears and did a nice job when we cleared the ball. Our offense was patient and almost always worked to get a good shot.
I really feel like this is what the end of the game against Penn State should have looked like. We were the better team last Saturday, playing a solid, winning game until the unfortunate penalty.
+1 to that game report. Solid all around and stayed away from the penalties (critical against lethal Princeton PP).
Escaped a few horrible officiating calls.
Richmond-Duke in OT. Comeback win against Richmond looking more important for PWR.
Masterful 4th quarter. Bottle that. While I didn't like running the shot clock out without a shot three times, the result speaks for itself. Everyone learned something from last week.
Quote from: mike1960Jesus Kirst down the alley and hits a narrow angle for a goal. Ties the great Mike French for goals scored!
Jesus Kirst Superstar!
The announcer on ESPN+ said at the end of the game that the game is archived and can be viewed. Does anyone know where to access the archive? I can't find it.
Quote"If I was to pick anybody in the world [to break my record], it would be him because he's a wonderful young man. He comes from a great family. I was with his mom just now, maybe 15 minutes ago, and he's the epitome of a great Cornell Man. He's one of the best players I've seen in ages," French told IL from the Ithaca airport postgame. "He just epitomizes the work ethic and the culture of Cornell lacrosse. He's hard-working, loyal, a great teammate, a great leader —everything that you'd ever want from somebody that goes to Cornell and plays lacrosse."
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-king-of-ithaca-cj-kirst-sets-cornell-scoring-record-in-15-10-win-vs-princeton/64817
Quote from: jjanow99The announcer on ESPN+ said at the end of the game that the game is archived and can be viewed. Does anyone know where to access the archive? I can't find it.
https://www.espn.com/espnplus/player/_/id/89bd69de-480a-49a0-af7b-043d2ed8d56a
Quote from: jjanow99The announcer on ESPN+ said at the end of the game that the game is archived and can be viewed. Does anyone know where to access the archive? I can't find it.
In general, from the ESPN Plus homepage, go to "Replays", click on the correct date (if watching on a different day) and scroll down to "Lacrosse".
Here is 26 minutes of highlights for free on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xudhVcEauc4
Just posted on IL: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-king-of-ithaca-cj-kirst-sets-cornell-scoring-record-in-15-10-win-vs-princeton/64817
I found it less than 30 minutes after the game ended. I tend to sort by sport when I am going to view a game. Doing that, you can find the archived games below the live events.
Cornell bounced back from the Penn State loss and is moving up again. The Inside Lacrosse Media Poll has Cornell moving up slower than when it loses: dropping from 3 to 6 after losing to Penn State in OT the week before (and then Princeton climbing 4 to 2). Then we handily beat Princeton 15-10 and moves Cornell up 2 spots to 4. But note there are only 5 points separating fourth from second.
MEDIA POLL 3/17 | "Week 6"
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Maryland (7 - 0) 480(24) 1
2 Penn State (6 - 1) 420 4
3 Army (7 - 0) 419 3
4 Cornell (5 - 1) 415 6
5 North Carolina (6 - 1) 397 5
No USILA poll as of Monday morning.
Future opponents: Syracuse is 10, Harvard 12, Penn 16, Dartmouth 20. Meaning only Brown, 2-4, is the only out of the polls.
We'll see if the USILA poll is kinder to Cornell. Penn State's only loss is by one to Princeton.
And we'll have to see if Army's 7-0 record merits the Cadets' skills. They've beaten UMass by 7, Rutgets by 6, Yale by 11, Mercer (who?) by 13, Lafayette by 10, Holy Cross by 13, and Lehigh by 9. They do play #5 UNC March 29 at home then #15 Colgate April 5, their only ranked opponents.
CJ Kirst with another, and another:
Quote from: billhowardFuture opponents: Syracuse is 10, Harvard 12, Penn 16, Dartmouth 20. Meaning only Brown, 2-4, is the only out of the polls.
Our opponent this Saturday is Yale (1-4), which is also unranked.
Yes, Yale was also-receiving-votes last week but not this. They had beaten Denver 15-10 vs. our 15-10 victory. Amazing how far Yale has fallen in lacrosse since its 2018 NCAA championship (as well as in hockey since the 2013 championship). Only 2 losing Yale lacrosse seasons since 1998.
Cornell lacrosse and hockey are more consistent (winners). Lacrosse has had six losing seasons in the modern era, that is when Ned Harkness and Richie Moran came to Cornell: four in Moran's last five seasons mid-90s and two more under Matt Kerwick (now a Buckness assistant) 2016-17. That's it.
Quote from: billhowardAmazing how far Yale has fallen in lacrosse since its 2018 NCAA championship.
Yale has made the NCAA tournament in three out of four years since its national championship (two COVID seasons were canceled). The only year they missed was last season, when they went 11-4 overall and 4-2 in the Ivy. So I wouldn't say they've fallen at all.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: billhowardFuture opponents: Syracuse is 10, Harvard 12, Penn 16, Dartmouth 20. Meaning only Brown, 2-4, is the only out of the polls.
Our opponent this Saturday is Yale (1-4), which is also unranked.
Albany, too, IIRC.
I am curious as to why Cornell does not seem to play Southern schools during the regular season. When is the last time we had a regular season game against Maryland, North Carolina, Duke (all on Princeton's schedule this year) or Johns Hopkins? We played at Richmond this year of course, and as of a few years ago, we seemed to play Virginia every year, but that has stopped.
I am not suggesting that Cornell has a weak schedule (and last year it was probably TOO strong.) It just seems surprising that Cornell never gets these traditional lacrosse powers in the regular season, especially when Princeton does (and I know they stole our Syracuse game a few years ago!)
I am guessing that the answer is the same as it is for the hockey team: these other schools don't agree to travel to Ithaca in a future year, so we don't travel to them.
Part of it might be that they don't want to do a return trip but I believe Penn/princeton got Duke/UNC for home and home weekends this year and last so it's not like they won't come to ivies. Part of it is also probably just the travel. Look at the Richmond game this year, we went south and almost lost to a much worse team.
Quote from: chimpfoodPart of it might be that they don't want to do a return trip but I believe Penn/princeton got Duke/UNC for home and home weekends this year and last so it's not like they won't come to ivies. Part of it is also probably just the travel. Look at the Richmond game this year, we went south and almost lost to a much worse team.
Yeah. Going to, say, Princeton or Penn isn't as In The Middle Of Nowhere as Ithaca. That's an additional 4+ hours of driving one way.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodPart of it might be that they don't want to do a return trip but I believe Penn/princeton got Duke/UNC for home and home weekends this year and last so it's not like they won't come to ivies. Part of it is also probably just the travel. Look at the Richmond game this year, we went south and almost lost to a much worse team.
Yeah. Going to, say, Princeton or Penn isn't as In The Middle Of Nowhere as Ithaca. That's an additional 4+ hours of driving one way.
Penn and Princeton have gone south for two years in a row. There has not yet been any reciprocity.
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: stereaxQuote from: chimpfoodPart of it might be that they don't want to do a return trip but I believe Penn/princeton got Duke/UNC for home and home weekends this year and last so it's not like they won't come to ivies. Part of it is also probably just the travel. Look at the Richmond game this year, we went south and almost lost to a much worse team.
Yeah. Going to, say, Princeton or Penn isn't as In The Middle Of Nowhere as Ithaca. That's an additional 4+ hours of driving one way.
Penn and Princeton have gone south for two years in a row. There has not yet been any reciprocity.
Oh sorry about that, my memory failed me
It could just be a matter of those teams wanting to find games in better weather
IL has some nice ground-level highlight video of the Princeton game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2LBqfhYdH4&t=5s
Quote from: djk26...
I like to believe we are supporting NYS, Northeast and near-Midwest teams. plus Denver. We are the equal or better of the top Southern teams (Maryland 7-0 this season but they were also overwhelming NCAA favorites in 2022 when we held the unbeaten Terps to a 9-7 NCAA title game.)
Cornell shouldn't play other than a home-and-home on equal footing.
It is easier for Princeton or Penn to play Duke. Also from Ivy school to Duke:
Penn 400 mi 7:05
Princeton 445 mi 7:45
Cornell 585 mi 10:00 The longest intra-Ivy team bus rides are Penn-Dartmouth, 360 mi, 6:05; Cornell-Harvard, 330 mi, 5:15; and Cornell-Dartmouth, 300 mi, 5:25.
Long ago, fifty years ago, when there was still a Lower Alumni Field across from Barton Hall and next to Teagle, I believe Cornell went south to get in some warm weather practice. In those Harkness / Moran-early years, it felt as if Cornell's only losses were early-season and by year's end they could beat anybody in the NCAAs except: no tournament until 1971. In 1971 Cornell lost Game 1 on April 1, 10-9 to Virginia, won all the rest, only wins less than +4 goals were to Brown and Army (read: Yankee schools) in the NCAAs, finished 13-1.
The Princeton team flew to North Carolina for the 2-game weekend against Duke and UNC
A lot of you aren't gonna like the jerseys today, I think they're nice though
Quote from: chimpfoodA lot of you aren't gonna like the jerseys today, I think they're nice though
Can anyone read t he numbers?
Harder to pick up the numbers with those ugly jerseys.
That's an awful scouting report if it says shoot high to low on knust.
Fastest hat trick ever?
Quote from: CU77Fastest hat trick ever?
Jesus Kirst superstar, how many goals have you scored so far...
This dude is ridiculous
The glare off the turf is making it challenging to follow the ball on this broadcast.
Very back and forth scoring. Also, I think this is the same PBP guy that does hockey games
D has to step up.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: CU77Fastest hat trick ever?
Jesus Kirst superstar, how many goals have you scored so far...
7 early in the 2nd. Ties his career high already. 200th career goal.
12-8 good guys in black at the half. CJ matched Yale's scoring by himself.
Long got knocked at the end of the half, but seemed to get up ok.
Black will start the 3rd man-up.
Quote from: billhowardAnd we'll have to see if Army's 7-0 record merits the Cadets' skills. They've beaten UMass by 7, Rutgets by 6, Yale by 11, Mercer (who?) by 13, Lafayette by 10, Holy Cross by 13, and Lehigh by 9. They do play #5 UNC March 29 at home then #15 Colgate April 5, their only ranked opponents.
BU wins against them in OT. BU friend was complaining about the Army goal that sent it to OT, saying it shouldn't have counted because a player's foot was in the crease. But they win it anyway. So :)
Long out
I was just about to say it would be nice to get the middies involved, then Kelleher scores, from Firth.
Oops reverse that scoring
By the end of this game, I think the color guy is going to strangle the refs
Long is out of the game.
Quote from: IcebergBy the end of this game, I think the color guy is going to strangle the refs
They wear arm guards for a reason, so slashing should be allowed.
Army and MD lose in OT.
We'll be #2 on Monday.
19-14 final after Yale had a mini-run in the 4th to satisfy the color guy's long trip fishing for moral victories.
Cee-Jus with 9 G, 1 A. Goldstein also with 10 points.
Why are we so against game threads here?
Long with right arm in a sling at the end ... :-/
Quote from: CU77Long with right arm in a sling at the end ... :-/
Hugh, I figured it was the head. Poor guy has always been injured
I just got back from the game. Great Cornell crowd at game. Just in my section of bleachers I met parents of a Cornell player, a '98 grad who played on the lacrosse team, and a 2010 grad who played club lacrosse, and after the game I got to meet CJ's mom! The overall crowd would have been even if larger if the Yalies weren't on spring break, but there were a lot of youth lacrosse programs there. The former player sitting next to me (I never got his name) was on a text chain during the game with his former teammates, including Chris Danler, who currently holds the school record for most goals in a single game (10). I asked him how Danler felt about CJ possibly tying or breaking his record, and he told me Danler wasn't getting too stressed about it. He recalled correctly that Danler scored the 10 goals against Army, with most of them coming on long-range shots. Bob Brennan also scored 10 goals for Cornell, but since he did so back in 1940, I didn't run into any of his ex-teammates.
As for the game itself, watching CJ in person is amazing. I would hate to be a goalie trying to stop him, as the precision and pace of his shots is even more impressive in person than watching on TV. Once we got a 17-9 lead, the game was over, although Yale did make the final score respectable. It was a shame seeing Long get injured in the closing seconds of the first half. He looked so good before then. Our defense still looks shaky at times, but our offense, even without Long, is scary.
It's been a tough season for Yale, which was a preseason Top Ten. Their offense looked a lot better than when I saw them lose to Army a few weeks ago. Even so, it's still a solid road win for us.
Maryland, Penn State, and Army all lose this weekend.
Who's Number One Now?
I just watched the replay. (On vacation last week.) Nice win on the road against a dangerous Yale team. I don't have much to add to the great comments above. I am concerned about the open attack players in our defensive middle. I think it happened three times that we lost an attack right in front of the goal, resulting in two scores. The Brendan Staub penalty was disappointing. We are there to play lacrosse. It's not a tough guy competition. But overall, I like how we played really good lacrosse and slowly pulled away through the game, imposing our will and showing that we were the better team. But similar to the Penn State game, we made mistakes in the fourth. In this game, we allowed easy shots down the alley against Lamb and across the top when the Yale ballcarrier outran Walker. This made things really tough on Wyatt, who had a terrific game. I don't know if our defense is tired or just loses concentration, but mistakes lead to goals, whatever the score, and whenever the clock.
That hit to Mikey Long at the end of the first half should have been at least a non-releasable penalty.
Coach called a TO when our ballcarrier was doubled on the backline. That's two games in a row after the PSU débâcle.
It's a lot of fun watching our team play. Our ball movement on offense and shot selections are fun to watch. We play a beautiful game. It helps we have the best college lacrosse player in the known universe.
Numero Uno in the polls this week
Good to see the Red ranked #1 but lets see if we can stay on top when it really matters in May. Watching Kirst is like watching Michael Jordan-such incredible head scratching shots he makes. Not going to get caught up in comparing him to likes of French, Pannell, Teat, etc. Appreciate the greatness of watching CJ play. Agreed on the hit to Long. Its a play that one sees too often in lacrosse-leveling the guy right after the shot.
Quote from: rss77Good to see the Red ranked #1 but lets see if we can stay on top when it really matters in May. Watching Kirst is like watching Michael Jordan-such incredible head scratching shots he makes. Not going to get caught up in comparing him to likes of French, Pannell, Teat, etc. Appreciate the greatness of watching CJ play. Agreed on the hit to Long. Its a play that one sees too often in lacrosse-leveling the guy right after the shot.
One still can make mental comparisons among the other great Cornell attackman, and their attributes. Imagine if Jeff Teat '21 was the size of CJ Kirst, or Mike French '76. (I know to a lot of people that going back fifty years is like someone in the French era hearing about a great lacrosse player of the 1920s) Or Eamon McEneaney '77 who was 5-10 150 but with the strength to weight ratio of a trapped squirrel and who played football (150s the moved up to regular). The McEneaney-to-French Connection (there was a 1971 movie French Connection) were incredible the two years they were together, 1975 and 1976, titles in '76 and '77 (made it to semifinals 1975).
And their greatness depends on how good the teammates were that got the faceoffs, groundballs and saves.
I still wish Cornell worked a scheme to get Teat free more.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: rss77Good to see the Red ranked #1 but lets see if we can stay on top when it really matters in May. Watching Kirst is like watching Michael Jordan-such incredible head scratching shots he makes. Not going to get caught up in comparing him to likes of French, Pannell, Teat, etc. Appreciate the greatness of watching CJ play. Agreed on the hit to Long. Its a play that one sees too often in lacrosse-leveling the guy right after the shot.
One still can make mental comparisons among the other great Cornell attackman, and their attributes. Imagine if Jeff Teat '21 was the size of CJ Kirst, or Mike French '76. (I know to a lot of people that going back fifty years is like someone in the French era hearing about a great lacrosse player of the 1920s) Or Eamon McEneaney '77 who was 5-10 150 but with the strength to weight ratio of a trapped squirrel and who played football (150s the moved up to regular). The McEneaney-to-French Connection (there was a 1971 movie French Connection) were incredible the two years they were together, 1975 and 1976, titles in '76 and '77 (made it to semifinals 1975).
And their greatness depends on how good the teammates were that got the faceoffs, groundballs and saves.
I still wish Cornell worked a scheme to get Teat free more.
+1
Two other comments:
- Much of how Cornell does the rest of this season will depend on Long's status and his recovery.
- You're right about foul that knocked Long out of the game. I was angry at the refs for not making the penalty non-releasable and for not kicking the Yalie who hit him out of the game. The refs have to call the came to protect the players from being hurt, and they clearly failed in this case.
Watching a video of Kirst goals vs Yale, I see that Yale left Goldstein open behind the cage for much of the game. Was this a tactic (which obviously misfired), or just bad defense? He's such a great passer that it seems that they would want to keep someone on him. Or, maybe they were just too worried about Kirst.
Quote from: jjanow99Watching a video of Kirst goals vs Yale, I see that Yale left Goldstein open behind the cage for much of the game. Was this a tactic (which obviously misfired), or just bad defense? He's such a great passer that it seems that they would want to keep someone on him. Or, maybe they were just too worried about Kirst.
A lot of defenses leave the X isolated until he receives a pass or is in position to receive a pass. He's usually marked by an LSD in front or around the crease, who adds support while the ball is in front of the goal.
Here's a link to an Instagram of all Jesus Kirst's scores. I really like the first one. Kirst sets an off ball screen to Dalton, gets the switch, and then Firth seals off the switching D. Kirst spins and gets side open for the slam.
We need to run that at least once a quarter. It's a beauty.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHo1TN7POv1/
Kirst has 202 career goals. The Division I record is 224, by Virginia's Payton Cormier.
Any how many of the possible 12 games left does he get to play
Quote from: Al DeFlorioKirst has 202 career goals. The Division I record is 224, by Virginia's Payton Cormier.
I believe Cormier set this record last year and this year is no longer playing college ball.
Nice analysis of Kirst's dodges: https://youtu.be/FTS4Qg5orlE?si=mhuVXQAwR2uZmSS5
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice analysis of Kirst's dodges: https://youtu.be/FTS4Qg5orlE?si=mhuVXQAwR2uZmSS5
Very cool. Thanks, Al.
Why does ESPN+ have the game starting at 12:30? ???????
Quote from: ChousnakeWhy does ESPN+ have the game starting at 12:30? ???????
Strange indeed
Nope, game has started (https://cornellbigred.com/sidearmstats/mlax/summary).
13:30 COR Firth, Willem (FIRST GOAL); Assist by Dalton, Andrew; Goal number 14 for season.
Game thread now has updates.
Lacrosse needs to go all the way now.
Quote from: BearLoverLacrosse needs to go all the way now.
I believe. The only team I wouldn't love our odds against is Maryland at this point.
Quote from: BearLoverLacrosse needs to go all the way now.
OMG -- you are doing it here, too. Trashing the hockey team isn't enough. Cornell lacrosse is ranked #1 at the end of March so if the team does not win the National Championship, they are losers. What is wrong with you? Didn't anyone ever explain that life is easier on all levels if you adopt a "glass is half full" philosophy rather than thinking like Eeyore.
Quote from: dag14Quote from: BearLoverLacrosse needs to go all the way now.
OMG -- you are doing it here, too. Trashing the hockey team isn't enough. Cornell lacrosse is ranked #1 at the end of March so if the team does not win the National Championship, they are losers. What is wrong with you? Didn't anyone ever explain that life is easier on all levels if you adopt a "glass is half full" philosophy rather than thinking like Eeyore.
Show me where I trashed the hockey team or said the lacrosse team would be "losers" if they didn't win the national championship. You're completely making shit up! I make the most innocent post ever and you're freaking out!
(moved)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: dag14Quote from: BearLoverLacrosse needs to go all the way now.
OMG -- you are doing it here, too. Trashing the hockey team isn't enough. Cornell lacrosse is ranked #1 at the end of March so if the team does not win the National Championship, they are losers. What is wrong with you? Didn't anyone ever explain that life is easier on all levels if you adopt a "glass is half full" philosophy rather than thinking like Eeyore.
The dude is toxic, just leave him to die in the cold alone. Right now he's using the Thank You Schafer thread to trash Mike. He's a POS; it took 2 seasons for me to learn to not engage.
You are nuts. I did absolutely nothing of the sort. I'm moving this discussion over to the hockey forum, where you can feel free to answer for your delusions. I apologize on behalf of dag and Trosky for polluting the lacrosse thread. The ONLY thing I intended by my initial post was that with the depressing end to the hockey season, I'm all-in on lacrosse now.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: BearLoverLacrosse needs to go all the way now.
I believe. The only team I wouldn't love our odds against is Maryland at this point.
There are a lot of good teams in lacrosse this year, and Cornell is certainly one of them, but lucky for us, no super teams a la Maryland in 2022 (and Cornell still came very close against them in the national championship game.)
Look at this top 20--there are at least 7 or 8 teams where it would not surprise me if they won it all, including Cornell. It's wide open and should be an exciting spring.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they're already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Quote from: jjanow99Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they're already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Hopkins is having a tough year. Is the thought that Milliman will be shown the door? Coach Buczek is a Cornell guy through and through, unlike Milliman or Tambroni. I doubt Cornell can offer him the salary that big sports schools will offer, but I hope Cornell makes a competitive offer when the time comes.
Can they not compete with Hopkins for salary? I get a B10 program
Quote from: underskillCan they not compete with Hopkins for salary? I get a B10 program
I had the same question. Why exactly is it that Hopkins can offer a coach more money? They have no athletic revenue. Doesn't Cornell lacrosse have rich donors who can pony up the money?
JHU is in big time budget issues as well
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: jjanow99Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they're already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Hopkins is having a tough year. Is the thought that Milliman will be shown the door? Coach Buczek is a Cornell guy through and through, unlike Milliman or Tambroni. I doubt Cornell can offer him the salary that big sports schools will offer, but I hope Cornell makes a competitive offer when the time comes.
Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he'll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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Quote from: upprdeckJHU is in big time budget issues as well
They recently laid off 2000 staff due to uncertainty over future research funding.
Quote from: underskillCan they not compete with Hopkins for salary? I get a B10 program
Well technically...
I mean one with a football team's TV revenue
Quote from: George64Quote from: mike1960Quote from: jjanow99Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they're already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Hopkins is having a tough year. Is the thought that Milliman will be shown the door? Coach Buczek is a Cornell guy through and through, unlike Milliman or Tambroni. I doubt Cornell can offer him the salary that big sports schools will offer, but I hope Cornell makes a competitive offer when the time comes.
Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he'll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think you say to a prospective job candidate that you will be offered less compensation knowing that you'll make more money when you're done here.
Quote from: George64Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he'll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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There are many ways you can show appreciation to a valued employee: respect, working conditions, giving the person more leeway than other employees in a similar line of work, preferential admission to offspring, and last-not-least the salary compensation package.
Compensation:
* Maryland's John Tillman (Cornell '90) is highest paid, $415,000, per Google AI. Base $275, supplemental $75, NCAA "tournament run" bonus ~23.5.
* Rutgers HC Brian Brecht in 2017 made $175K base at a time when women's basketball head coach made $700K. Per NJ.com
* College lax HC per Glassdoor.com (12 salaries reported) $70K-$122K, $92K average. Salary.com says $75K-$100K.
* The year Maryland women won the NCAAs, HC Cathy Reese earned $265K on a base salary of $170K, per dbknews.com
* Peter Millman was making $341K at Hopkins in 2022, per Google.
* Pinning down Penn State lacrosse salaries are hard, Penn State IIRC because there is some private funding of HC salary supplements so if a number is reported, it appears low.
An athletics director has to compare schools that might poach a good head coach, and also not get too far out of whack with what the football coach and hockey coach make, also the women's lax coach. (Google AI says Ivy football HCs make in the realm of $100-$200K; that seems low to me.)
So, Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: George64Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he'll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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There are many ways you can show appreciation to a valued employee: respect, working conditions, giving the person more leeway than other employees in a similar line of work, preferential admission to offspring, and last-not-least the salary compensation package.
Compensation:
* Maryland's John Tillman (Cornell '90) is highest paid, $415,000, per Google AI. Base $275, supplemental $75, NCAA "tournament run" bonus ~23.5.
* Rutgers HC Brian Brecht in 2017 made $175K base at a time when women's basketball head coach made $700K. Per NJ.com
* College lax HC per Glassdoor.com (12 salaries reported) $70K-$122K, $92K average. Salary.com says $75K-$100K.
* The year Maryland women won the NCAAs, HC Cathy Reese earned $265K on a base salary of $170K, per dbknews.com
* Peter Millman was making $341K at Hopkins in 2022, per Google.
* Pinning down Penn State lacrosse salaries are hard, Penn State IIRC because there is some private funding of HC salary supplements so if a number is reported, it appears low.
An athletics director has to compare schools that might poach a good head coach, and also not get too far out of whack with what the football coach and hockey coach make, also the women's lax coach. (Google AI says Ivy football HCs make in the realm of $100-$200K; that seems low to me.)
So, Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Cornell has been fairly generous with at least one other alumni head coach that I know of when it seemed prudent to demonstrate appreciation for their loyalty. The university doesn't have unlimited funds to commit to these situations but, whether it is a coach or an important faculty member, Cornell will look for a way to make it financially attractive to stay in Ithaca. I know there have been situations where an alum has come up with a timely gift to support an Athletics project, but I have no personal knowledge as to whether this has ever happened in the case of a coach's salary.
Quote from: billhowardBuczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardBuczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we're losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.
There is actually a game today:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/3/27/top-ranked-mens-lacrosse-tests-itself-at-home-vs-penn-ualbany.aspx
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: George64Quote from: billhowardBuczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we're losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.
Historically speaking, Hopkins is by far the more prestigious lax program. Coaches don't leave Hopkins to come to Cornell, but they do go the other way.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: George64Quote from: billhowardBuczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we're losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.
Historically speaking, Hopkins is by far the more prestigious lax program. Coaches don't leave Hopkins to come to Cornell, but they do go the other way.
Not "by far." Cornell is a lacrosse blue blood, easily one of the top 10 historical lacrosse programs, and has been competitive for a national title almost every season the past 25 years. Hopkins is a top 5 all time program more prestigious, but not so much more prestigious that we should be losing coaches to them. Anyway, the point is if we ponied up the money to pay coaches then we wouldn't be losing them to Hopkins.
Just took a glance at the schedule on the Cornell Athletics website and it is showing game time as 3pm against Albany
Was thinking it was an evening game, maybe moved up because April is starting off with highs in the low-40s ?
Anyways, just an FYI to the forum if you likewise were thinking this was a 6pm or 7pm game
Quote from: Cornell95Just took a glance at the schedule on the Cornell Athletics website and it is showing game time as 3pm against Albany
Was thinking it was an evening game, maybe moved up because April is starting off with highs in the low-40s ?
Anyways, just an FYI to the forum if you likewise were thinking this was a 6pm or 7pm game
I hope more fans show up for an afternoon game, but it's going to be chilly (38 degrees). I see where the play-by-play guy for ESPN+ is not Christian de Guzman but Cam Manna? I hope he's good. Tom LaFalce was supposed to be the color against Penn but wasn't there. He's scheduled for today.
A midweek game against a team that's struggling after Cornell posted a big win. Some trap elements here, but I think this team is too strong to get into trouble today.
at least the ESPN+ site shows the correct game time
Hopefully the broadcast will pick up the opening faceoff
Down at 8th in RPI despite being ranked #1 in the country, what would it take for Cornell to miss the tournament? The fact the selection committee makes these determinations based on human bias and not strictly based on computer rankings like in hockey should help Cornell given the prevailing view of the team is that they are better than their RPI.
Quote from: mike1960I see where the play-by-play guy for ESPN+ is not Christian de Guzman but Cam Manna? I hope he's good.
Doing well IMO.
Quote from: CU77Quote from: mike1960I see where the play-by-play guy for ESPN+ is not Christian de Guzman but Cam Manna? I hope he's good.
Doing well IMO.
Yes, doing a fine job.
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
Quote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
beat syracuse
host the ivy
1-2 loss team and get a home game
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Quote from: LGR14Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Are you sure? That doesn't seem right to me. That 3-3 includes games against Dartmouth (#14), Syracuse (#7), and Harvard (#5), as well as the Ivy League Tournament, so probably some combination of Princeton (#1), Harvard, and Dartmouth again.
Quote from: LGR14Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
That seems crazy. Ranked #1 and definitely pass the eye test. But I suppose computers don't lie?!
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: LGR14Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: mike1960Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Are you sure? That doesn't seem right to me. That 3-3 includes games against Dartmouth (#14), Syracuse (#7), and Harvard (#5), as well as the Ivy League Tournament, so probably some combination of Princeton (#1), Harvard, and Dartmouth again.
Brown(#40 RPI), the teams you mention, and then two Ivy Tournament games. There has long been a bias against Cornell when it comes to tournament selection. If we're a 4-loss team (with three of those losses coming down the stretch) and hovering in the 9-12 RPI range, that's bubble territory depending on what happens in the other conferences.
I'll amend everything I've said above based on this projection that has Cornell finishing #4 in RPI. https://lacrossereference.com/mens-d1-bracketology/
Still wouldn't want to finish 3-3 though.
If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Quote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?
But isn't the simulation CU77 is citing based on RPI?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?
But isn't the simulation CU77 is citing based on RPI?
i see what you're saying. maybe the simulation is dynamic so as Cornell's rpi improves with wins and other helpful results across the field, late losses become less likely?
Simulation of games is not based on RPI, it's based on lacrossereference's own computer ranking system. Then the simulated game results are used to compute end-of-season RPI.
Of course none of this really matters. The team needs to win the games. They are a heavy favorite against Brown and Dartmouth, a slight favorite against Cuse, a moderate favorite against Harvard. See eg the Massey win probabilities: https://masseyratings.com/clax2025/1910
It's also important that our opponents win as many of their other games as possible against our non-opponents. So root for Cuse against Notre Dame on Saturday!
to get to 3-3 they could lose 3 of next 4 then win the IVY
or got 2-2 and win first Ivy game
beating Brown would make all the loses to ranked teams most of the time
going 1-4 or 2-3 is the outcome to avoid.
Quote from: CU77Simulation of games is not based on RPI, it's based on lacrossereference's own computer ranking system. Then the simulated game results are used to compute end-of-season RPI.
Of course none of this really matters. The team needs to win the games. They are a heavy favorite against Brown and Dartmouth, a slight favorite against Cuse, a moderate favorite against Harvard. See eg the Massey win probabilities: https://masseyratings.com/clax2025/1910
It's also important that our opponents win as many of their other games as possible against our non-opponents. So root for Cuse against Notre Dame on Saturday!
Thanks, that's helpful background. For college hockey the publicly available projections all seem to be based on RPI and are therefore not very useful. Interesting college lacrosse has more developed public projections.
In any case, Cornell will head into the NCAA tournament (well, let's hope they will) after having played a very difficult sequence of opponents. It shouldn't prepare them well.
Cornell is #1 across the board on D1 college lax polls, Monday 3/31, this after Cornell's 8th game:
[b]USILA 2025 Men's Coaches Division I Poll - Week 8[/b]
Rank team 1sts Pts
1. Cornell 23 589
2. Maryland 4 565
3. TOSU 3 534
4. Princeton 514
5. Notre Dame 480
Also: 6 Army, 7 Syracuse, 9 Richmond, 10 Penn State, 11 Harvard, 15 BU, 18 Dartmouth, Colgate (also receiving).
[b]Media Poll[/b]
Rank team 1sts Pts
1. Cornell 18 491
2. Maryland 5 472
3. TOSU 1 444
4. Princeton 1 441
5, Notre Dame 394
Also: 6 Army, 7 Syracuse, 9 Penn State, 10 Richmond, 11 Harvard, 15 BU, 18 Dartmouth, Colgate (also receiving).
Quint Kessenich, https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-march-31-2025/ Quote from: Quint Kessenich's Top 20: March 31, 20251) Cornell
Big Red (7-1) laid the hammer down on Penn with a 15-5 win, jumping out to a 7-1 and 10-1 halftime lead before coasting to the finish. With this win, Cornell maintains control of its destiny in the Ivy League race and is on track to host the conference tournament. The trio of Michael Long, CJ Kirst, and Ryan Goldstein continues to dominate as arguably the nation's best attack unit. If the Big Red can win face-offs and get solid goaltending, they might be impossible to beat.
CJ Kirst is averaging more than five goals per game while shooting an absurd 58%. The passing game has been elite—Cornell leads the country with 10.6 assists per game. Goalie Wyatt Knust is giving them more than 13 saves per contest and has been steady when called upon. Cornell will host Albany on Tuesday before traveling to Brown on April 5.
Kessenich's top five is: 1. Cornell, 2. Maryland, 3. Princeton, then 4. Ohio State, ND, 6 Syracuse, 7. Penn Stare, 8. Army. More love for We Were than the other polls.
The NCAA gotta give equal emphasis to goals per game average or goals per season average to be fair to old timey players who only got in three varsity seasons, to longer seasons versus fifty years ago, and maybe to recognize schools (Ivies) who play fewer games.
Per Wiki, which has it both by season, with PPG, it is
3. Mike French '76, 6.30 PPG
4. Jim Trenz '74, 6.21
8. Tim Goldtein '88, 5.79 (father of Ryan)
15. Eamon McEneaney '77, 5.57
19. Jeff Teat '20. 5.25
Quote from: billhowardThe NCAA gotta give equal emphasis to goals per game average or goals per season average to be fair to old timey players who only got in three varsity seasons, to longer seasons versus fifty years ago, and maybe to recognize schools (Ivies) who play fewer games.
Per Wiki, which has it both by season, with PPG, it is
3. Mike French '76, 6.30 PPG
4. Jim Trenz '74, 6.21
8. Tim Goldtein '88, 5.79 (father of Ryan)
15. Eamon McEneaney '77, 5.57
19. Jeff Teat '20. 5.25
Also, it should discount records held by players who took advantage of the fifth year from COVID eligibility.
Quote from: BearLoverFor college hockey the publicly available projections all seem to be based on RPI
Massey does game-by-game projections for college hockey (and pretty much every sport out there) based on his own proprietary rating system, and then uses those to compute expected end-of-regular-season record, but does not go further than that into pairwise etc.
Win over Brown drops the team's RPI from #9 to #10:
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
Syracuse on the way to beating ND. Their face off guy having a big game. Cornell is going to have to pick up their game next week to win this one.
Quote from: CU77Win over Brown drops the team's RPI from #9 to #10:
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
At this rate we'll be out of the tournament entirely.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: CU77Win over Brown drops the team's RPI from #9 to #10:
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
At this rate we'll be out of the tournament entirely.
I know this is sarcasm, but we've got a real chance to improve our RPI in the weeks ahead. Brown is #41, but Syracuse is #7, Harvard is #6 and even Darmouth is pretty solid at #18.
(This may be a little out of date--the website I am looking at for RPI still has #2 Maryland's record at 8-1...and they just lost to #22 Rutgers.)
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: George64Quote from: billhowardBuczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we're losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.
Historically speaking, Hopkins is by far the more prestigious lax program. Coaches don't leave Hopkins to come to Cornell, but they do go the other way.
Not "by far." Cornell is a lacrosse blue blood, easily one of the top 10 historical lacrosse programs, and has been competitive for a national title almost every season the past 25 years. Hopkins is a top 5 all time program more prestigious, but not so much more prestigious that we should be losing coaches to them. Anyway, the point is if we ponied up the money to pay coaches then we wouldn't be losing them to Hopkins.
Lacrosse is to Hopkins as hockey is to NoDak, so it really is something special over there, so when coaches leave almost any job for Hopkins I doubt money is the dominant consideration (and it would not at all surprise me if Hopkins paid at or near top of band regardless). As it happens Hopkins has hired its last two coaches (Pietramala and Milliman) from Cornell, so folks around here are maybe a bit more sensitive to the comparisons between the programs. FWIW I suspect that neither of those cases was about either money or prestige, really - Pietramala is a Hopkins alum, and Milliman was hired away after COVID cut the 2020 season short so he was choosing between coaching an elite program that would play lacrosse next season and one that wouldn't.
Buczek was an all time great at Cornell, so this is probably closer to a dream job situation for him than it was for either Pietramala or Milliman. I certainly hope so, because it seems like his tenure is off to an incredible start.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: CU77Win over Brown drops the team's RPI from #9 to #10:
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
At this rate we'll be out of the tournament entirely.
Please don't provide fodder for Bearlover!
Quote from: Chris H82Quote from: arugulaQuote from: CU77Win over Brown drops the team's RPI from #9 to #10:
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
At this rate we'll be out of the tournament entirely.
Please don't provide fodder for Bearlover!
Keep handy:
What is the Ivy tie breaker to host
If Harvard beats Cornell and wins out
Cornell then wins out
Prin. wins out
tie breaker I guess would be goal diff. between the 3 teams
right now
Cornell + 5
Princ - 3
Harv -2
Cornell would need to lose by less than 4.
Cornell beat Harvard then win the host spot
Quote from: upprdeckWhat is the Ivy tie breaker to host
If Harvard beats Cornell and wins out
Cornell then wins out
Prin. wins out
tie breaker I guess would be goal diff. between the 3 teams
right now
Cornell + 5
Princ - 3
Harv -2
Cornell would need to lose by less than 4.
Cornell beat Harvard then win the host spot
My head tells me that goal differential should never be a factor in breaking ties, as the objective is to win the game, not humiliate the opponent. My heart, however, says screw BU and Harvard, too. Also Dartmouth! I'll never forget listening to Cornell's 19-1 win over Yale at Ingalls Rink in 1968. Ned's teams took no prisoners!
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Quote from: upprdeckWhat is the Ivy tie breaker to host
If Harvard beats Cornell and wins out
Cornell then wins out
Prin. wins out
tie breaker I guess would be goal diff. between the 3 teams
right now
Cornell + 5
Princ - 3
Harv -2
Cornell would need to lose by less than 4.
Cornell beat Harvard then win the host spot
I think the answer is to beat Harvard.
Our Resume is good not great
lose to Harv and then not win the Ivy makes the Syracuse game mean even more
Beat Syracuse and have 3 losses we still get in
Lose to Syr and then lose 2 ivy late and a 4 loss team is back on the bubble
Quote from: upprdeckOur Resume is good not great
lose to Harv and then not win the Ivy makes the Syracuse game mean even more
Beat Syracuse and have 3 losses we still get in
Lose to Syr and then lose 2 ivy late and a 4 loss team is back on the bubble
... this sounds like hockey. Wyatt Knust needs to do an Ian Shane late-season metamorphosis and we're good. I still like the beat-Syracuse, beat-Harvard route.
The Saturday weather forecast for Uniondale in Lon Guyland is 53 degrees and rain. Better than cold and rain, but not ideal for our style of play.
I wonder to what extent the wet field at Brown contributed to our offensive problems on Saturday. Errant passes, slipping, etc.
Quote from: mike1960The Saturday weather forecast for Uniondale in Lon Guyland is 53 degrees and rain. Better than cold and rain, but not ideal for our style of play.
Not great for Syracuse, a dome team, either
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: mike1960The Saturday weather forecast for Uniondale in Lon Guyland is 53 degrees and rain. Better than cold and rain, but not ideal for our style of play.
Not great for Syracuse, a dome team, either
True. I haven't watched a lot of Syracuse lacrosse this year, but they don't seem to move the ball the way we like to do. Last week, we saw passes fly out of bounds from the sticks of Long, Kirst, and others. The field is turf, so footing should not be a major problem.
Cornell remains #1 in the media poll via Inside Lacrosse (the coaches poll arrives on Caribbean time). Big slips by Maryland and Notre Dame. Ohio State replaces the Terps at #2. Last week Maryland also got (5) first-place votes. This week Cornell gets all but 2. Are we
that good?
[b]Rank Team Points Prev
[color=#CC0000]1 Cornell (9 - 1) 478 (22)1[/color][/b]
2 Ohio State (11 - 1) 444 (1) 3
3 [b]Princeton[/b] (8 - 2) 441 (1) 4
4 [b]Syracuse[/b] (9 - 2) 387 7
5 Army (9 - 1) 376 6
6 Maryland (8 - 2) 355 2
7 North Carolina (8 - 2) 333 8
8 [b]Penn State[/b] (7 - 3) 308 9
9 Notre Dame (5 - 3) 304 5
10 [b]Harvard[/b] (8 - 2) 263 11
11 [b]Richmond[/b] (8 - 3) 250 10
12 Duke (9 - 3) 227 12
13 Georgetown (7 - 3) 171 14
14 Michigan (6 - 5) 163 13
15 Boston U (8 - 3) 108 15
16 Fairfield (10 - 1) 104 19
17 Saint Joseph's (8 - 3) 103 20
18 Rutgers (6 - 6) 75 --
19 Johns Hopkins (6 - 5) 51 17
20 [b]Dartmouth[/b] (7 - 3) 33 18
Receiving Votes: UMass, Colgate, Sacred Heart, Virginia, Villanova, Navy, [b]Denver[/b], Jacksonville
Cornell 2025 competitors in bold.
No. 1 teams:
To week 4: Notre Dame (5 weeks including pre-season)
Weeks 4-6: Maryland
Weeks 7-9: Cornell [/bold]
[b]USILA Coaches poll for week of 4/7 rolls in.
Team (First-Place Votes) Rank Points
[color=#CC0000]Cornell (25) 1 614[/color][/b]
Ohio State (5) 2 581
Princeton 3 557
Syracuse 4 496
Army 5 495
Maryland (1) 6 457
North Carolina 7 452
Penn State 8 386
Notre Dame 9 366
Harvard 10 335
Richmond 11 334
Duke 12 307
Georgetown 13 222
Michigan 14 201
Boston 15 143
Saint Joseph's 16 139
Fairfield 17 117
Rutgers 18 92
ohns Hopkins 19 71
Dartmouth 20 34
U Mass Amherst 20 34
Also receiving votes: Colgate (14), Virginia (14), Sacred Heart (11), Villanova (10), Denver (7), Jacksonville (6), Yale (6), Towson (4), Navy (4), and Bryant (1). Lax All Stars / Quint Kessenich's Top 20: April 7, 2025 https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-7-2025
Quote from: Quint Kessenich, Lacrosse All Stars1) Cornell
Big Red (9-1) handled Albany 18-11 on Tuesday with their dynamic attack trio accounting for 16 points. Brendan Staub, Jayson Singer, and Matt Dooley anchor the close defense. Against Brown on Saturday, the toll of the two-game week showed as Cornell needed a late 4-1 push to secure a 13-9 win. FOGO Jack Cascadden had a day, going 15-of-22 with seven ground balls and a goal.
Now it's time to embrace the moment. 'Hard Hat 21' travels to Long Island to face Syracuse on Saturday. Big Red's RPI still trails their poll ranking. CJ Kirst continues to put up Tewaaraton-level numbers, averaging over five goals per game. Michael Long is shooting 47% for the nation's top-scoring offense. Face-offs and defensive stops will be key in this heavyweight bout.
2) Ohio State
3) Princeton
4) Syracuse ... Now sitting at (9-2) with serious momentum, the swag kings head to Long Island to face Cornell. Joey Spallina and company are going back home. This one's going to be epic.
5) Army
Quote from: billhowardCornell remains #1 in the media poll via Inside Lacrosse (the coaches poll arrives on Caribbean time). Big slips by Maryland and Notre Dame. Ohio State replaces the Terps at #2. Last week Maryland also got (5) first-place votes. This week Cornell gets all but 2. Are we that good? [code]
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Cornell (9 - 1) 478 (22)1
2 Ohio State (11 - 1) 444 (1) 3
3 Princeton (8 - 2) 441 (1) 4
4 Syracuse (9 - 2) 387 7
5 Army (9 - 1) 376 6
6 Maryland (8 - 2) 355 2
7 North Carolina (8 - 2) 333 8
8 Penn State (7 - 3) 308 9
9 Notre Dame (5 - 3) 304 5
10 Harvard (8 - 2) 263 11
11 Richmond (8 - 3) 250 10
12 Duke (9 - 3) 227 12
13 Georgetown (7 - 3) 171 14
14 Michigan (6 - 5) 163 13
15 Boston U (8 - 3) 108 15
16 Fairfield (10 - 1) 104 19
17 Saint Joseph's (8 - 3) 103 20
18 Rutgers (6 - 6) 75 --
19 Johns Hopkins (6 - 5) 51 17
20 Dartmouth (7 - 3) 33 18
Receiving Votes: UMass, Colgate, Sacred Heart, Virginia, Villanova, Navy, Denver, Jacksonville
Cornell 2025 competitors in bold.
We also played Richmond.
That one Princeton voter is sticking to their guns, huh.
Makes me think Cornell made a good decision to play Richmond. Wish we had Colgate back on the schedule and also Army. I think the Kaydets are likely to be top-twenty more years than not. (What happened to Navy???) Not playing Albany, Binghamton and Stony Brook looks good currently; I think Binghamton is least likely to rise up, too bad, I'd like to see another powerful NYS school within a 90-minute drive, meaning it's a single-day trip for the visitor. Lehigh looked like a good opponent when they were very low teens / also mention early but not now. Denver was #12 I believe when we played them, not they're an also-mention.
Obviously, the coaching staff wants good opponents, also realizes early in the year, it may mean playing a top-ten team as our second and their fourth or fifth game.
Syracuse is always good. I hope they got away from thinking they needed to play the Tigers but not us. Princeton-Cornell is always good and it should be the last game of the season, like Harvard-Yale on the gridiron.
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
Quote from: chimpfoodHow on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
Did you try Gait?
Quote from: chimpfoodHow on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
The answer is directly related to Cornell's opponent this weekend
Never heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
Quote from: chimpfoodNever heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
I was a kid in Ithaca when they were at Syracuse, so they're engrained in my lacrosse memories even though I don't follow the sport super closely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PARfSZalrU
Quote from: chimpfoodHow on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
This is hysterical! Not making fun of chimpfood; rather the notion that Gait is a magic password. I bet there are a lot of lax fans who wouldn't know how to spell it.... I mean, how about "Gate" if you never saw the written word?
Quote from: dag14Quote from: chimpfoodHow on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
This is hysterical! Not making fun of chimpfood; rather the notion that Gait is a magic password. I bet there are a lot of lax fans who wouldn't know how to spell it.... I mean, how about "Gate" if you never saw the written word?
Agreed. Amazingly myopic (and reverse-ageist) attempt at gatekeeping. Really one of the funniest lax-related things I've heard in a while.
Quote from: chimpfoodNever heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: chimpfoodNever heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
C'mon, that's different. I've been trying to come up with something similar. So far for college hockey, I can think of "Maine's sibling dynasty started with Paul" or "North Dakota's ________ Circus". It's clearly targeting fans of a certain age who were around for that period, or from a certain geographical place. Why bother trying to attract new/young fans when you can ensure everyone in your community only knows things that existed 15 years before current stars & students were born?
Quote from: RichH"North Dakota's ________ Circus"
I understood that reference.
QuoteTwin brothers Gary and Paul Gait grew up in Victoria, British Columbia, and played at Syracuse from 1987-1990. Their style of play totally revolutionized college lacrosse and captured the imaginations of the next generation. They were known for their creative playmaking, behind-the-back passing, and of course the "Air Gait."
The Gait Brothers won three consecutive NCAA Championships from 1988-1990. While Gary is considered by many to be the greatest player of all time, Paul was also an All-American performer in college, and they both went on to have successful pro/international careers.
https://www.instagram.com/lacrossenetwork/p/DEp66gFv7Jx
"Air Gait": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46hKXLA-8Jw
and being there watching that live with everyone wondering what they had just seen was pretty crazy.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: chimpfoodNever heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
I know the basic stuff about lacrosse before I watched like Paul rabil and Kyle Thompson but I don't know why they can't just have a captcha instead of a riddle about some old dudes
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: SwampyQuote from: chimpfoodNever heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
I know the basic stuff about lacrosse before I watched like Paul rabil and Kyle Thompson but I don't know why they can't just have a captcha instead of a riddle about some old dudes
They are old dudes, but in fairness, they are defining figures in the game of college lacrosse, not just with their play, but with their later influence as a name brand for equipment and Gary Gait's coaching.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: dag14Quote from: chimpfoodHow on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
This is hysterical! Not making fun of chimpfood; rather the notion that Gait is a magic password. I bet there are a lot of lax fans who wouldn't know how to spell it.... I mean, how about "Gate" if you never saw the written word?
Agreed. Amazingly myopic (and reverse-ageist) attempt at gatekeeping. Really one of the funniest lax-related things I've heard in a while.
Shouldn't that be gaitkeeping::rolleyes::
So typing "Paul Gary lacrosse" into a search engine is too much to ask?
Kids these days ... ::thud::
Quote from: CU77So typing "Paul Gary lacrosse" into a search engine is too much to ask?
Kids these days ... ::thud::
Not sure how I didn't think of that lol
The current president froze $1 billion in funding to Cornell, so there might be some belt tightening here and there.
Quote from: chimpfoodHow on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
All-time post!!
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: chimpfoodHow on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
All-time post!!
This is an IQ test with a low bar.
Just gotta google "lacrosse paul gary" and the answer pops up, along wih the sad reminder that Paul Gait was paralyzed 3 years ago in a fall at the Gait lacrosse warehouse.
Revised.
Media poll for April 14, Cornell again at No. 1, now with all the first-place votes. One problem with beating the teams we've beaten: They fall out of the top five and then we have, currently, only Princeton as a top-five victory. Should we beat No. 10 Harvard this week, they'd probably fall out, too.
[b]Rank Team Points Prev
[color=#CC0000]1 Cornell (10 - 1) 460(23) 1[/color][/b]
[b]2 Princeton (9 - 2) 429 3[/b]
3 Maryland (9 - 2) 410 6
4 Army (10 - 1) 379 5
5 North Carolina (9 - 2) 351 7
6 Ohio State (11 - 2) 349 2
[b]7 Syracuse (9 - 3) 327 4[/b]
[b]8 Penn State (8 - 3) 300 8[/b]
9 Notre Dame (6 - 3) 280 9
[b]10 Harvard (9 - 2) 267 10[/b]
11 Richmond (9 - 3) 229 11
12 Duke (9 - 4) 190 12
13 Michigan (7 - 5) 188 14
14 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 142 17
15 Fairfield (11 - 1) 137 16
[b]16 Denver (7 - 5) 91 27[/b]
17 Georgetown (7 - 4) 78 13
18 Rutgers (6 - 7) 56 18
19 UMass (9 - 3) 41 21
20 Sacred Heart (9 - 2) 30 23
Receiving Votes: Johns Hopkins, Villanova, [b]Yale[/b], Boston U, Lafayette, Virginia, Towson, [b]Dartmouth[/b], Siena, Bryant, Navy
Cornell opponents in bold.
This is four weeks in a row at No. 1. Notre Dame was No. 1 for the the first five polls but two of them were Pre-Season and Week 0. FYI, in RPI, Cornell is No. 5, behind Princeton, Maryland, Penn State and North Carolina. Saturday's opponent Harvard is No. 7 and Syracuse is down to No. 8. The lowest RPI of our opponents, 51st of 65, is Hobart. Brown is the lowest Ivy at 35. Princeton's other loss is to Maryland by 4, at Princeton. They have beaten Duke by 1 and UNC by 2. Is it possible the NCAA could seed us below No. 1? Out of the top 4? (Even if we win out?) https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
Quote from: billhowardMedia poll for April 14, Cornell again at No. 1, now with all the first-place votes. One problem with beating the teams we've beaten: They fall out of the top five and then we have, currently, only Princeton as a top-five victory. Should we beat No. 10 Harvard this week, they'd probably fall out, too.
[b]Rank Team Points Prev
[color=#CC0000]1 Cornell (10 - 1) 460(23) 1[/color][/b]
[b]2 Princeton (9 - 2) 429 3[/b]
3 Maryland (9 - 2) 410 6
4 Army (10 - 1) 379 5
5 North Carolina (9 - 2) 351 7
6 Ohio State (11 - 2) 349 2
[b]7 Syracuse (9 - 3) 327 4[/b]
[b]8 Penn State (8 - 3) 300 8[/b]
9 Notre Dame (6 - 3) 280 9
[b]10 Harvard (9 - 2) 267 10[/b]
11 Richmond (9 - 3) 229 11
12 Duke (9 - 4) 190 12
13 Michigan (7 - 5) 188 14
14 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 142 17
15 Fairfield (11 - 1) 137 16
[b]16 Denver (7 - 5) 91 27[/b]
17 Georgetown (7 - 4) 78 13
18 Rutgers (6 - 7) 56 18
19 UMass (9 - 3) 41 21
20 Sacred Heart (9 - 2) 30 23
Receiving Votes: Johns Hopkins, Villanova, [b]Yale[/b], Boston U, Lafayette, Virginia, Towson, [b]Dartmouth[/b], Siena, Bryant, Navy
Cornell opponents in bold.
This is four weeks in a row at No. 1. Notre Dame was No. 1 for the the first five polls but two of them were Pre-Season and Week 0. FYI, in RPI, Cornell is No. 5, behind Princeton, Maryland, Penn State and North Carolina. Saturday's opponent Harvard is No. 7 and Syracuse is down to No. 8. The lowest RPI of our opponents, 51st of 65, is Hobart. Brown is the lowest Ivy at 35. Princeton's other loss is to Maryland by 4, at Princeton. They have beaten Duke by 1 and UNC by 2. Is it possible the NCAA could seed us below No. 1? Out of the top 4? (Even if we win out?) https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
Isn't the top 5, 10, etc. wins criteria based on RPI rather than the poll?
Also for April 14 week (after the Syracuse game), Quint Kessenich, fresh from covering the Frozen Four, has these teams on top https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-14-2025/:
1 Cornell
QK: "Big Red (10-1) hit the ten-win mark after putting up 17 goals against Syracuse on Long Island. CJ Kirst and Ryan Goldstein ran circles around the Orange defense with patience and precision. Goalie Wyatt Knust was razor sharp early while building an 8-2 lead. Cornell has nine Long Island public school players on the roster. I love the grit. You have to respect the 16 goals per game this offense is averaging. Sophomore Ryan Goldstein is averaging three assists per game. ... Cornell did not qualify for the NCAA tournament in 2024. They've made champ weekend appearances in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2018, and 2022. This senior class played in that 2022 title game. The 160-year-old program owns NCAA titles in 1971, 1976, and 1977. Dust 'em off.
2 Princeton
3 Maryland
4 Syracuse
5 Army
6 NC
7 Ohio State
8 Notre Dame
9 Harvard
10 Penn State
...
19 Yale
Quote from: LGR14Isn't the top 5, 10, etc. wins criteria based on RPI rather than the poll?
For the NCAA determination of the best way to screw Cornell and seed us, say, sixth and in the Denver quarterfinal (yes, I know the quarterfinals are not in Denver but at Hofstra and Navy), I believe it is based on RPI. Third parties such as Quint Kessenich could choose it to be his own poll or RPI.
I didnt think Lax used straight RPI type stuff like hockey does though?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: LGR14Isn't the top 5, 10, etc. wins criteria based on RPI rather than the poll?
For the NCAA determination of the best way to screw Cornell and seed us, say, sixth and in the Denver quarterfinal (yes, I know the quarterfinals are not in Denver but at Hofstra and Navy), I believe it is based on RPI. Third parties such as Quint Kessenich could choose it to be his own poll or RPI.
Right, I was referring more to the point in your first paragraph.
Quote from: upprdeckI didnt think Lax used straight RPI type stuff like hockey does though?
Officially, no. Unofficially, kinda yes. Committee chair one year said they just started with the RPI list and then made adjustments.
This is a consequence of the official criteria being basically impossible to grok:
Primary Criteria:
Strength-of-schedule index [average RPI of top-10 opponents]
Results of the RPI:
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+.
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins).
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses).
Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
Additionally, input is provided by the regional advisory committee for consideration by the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used by the committee for selection purposes.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/lacrosse/d1/men/2024-25D1MLA_PreChamps.pdf
Quote from: CU77Quote from: upprdeckI didnt think Lax used straight RPI type stuff like hockey does though?
Officially, no. Unofficially, kinda yes. Committee chair one year said they just started with the RPI list and then made adjustments.
This is a consequence of the official criteria being basically impossible to grok:
Primary Criteria:
Strength-of-schedule index [average RPI of top-10 opponents]
Results of the RPI:
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+.
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins).
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses).
Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
Additionally, input is provided by the regional advisory committee for consideration by the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used by the committee for selection purposes.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/lacrosse/d1/men/2024-25D1MLA_PreChamps.pdf
The "criteria" is complete and utter nonsense, since it's all already supposed to be factored into RPI except they're choosing to weight random games more than others (why is beating #20 and losing to #30 any different from losing to #20 and beating #30?). But at the same time, I suspect 13 or so games is not enough of a sample for RPI to be a reliable indicator. In hockey we have 30+ games and can rely on the PWR, but in lacrosse there's no good solution: on one hand you have the RPI based on a tiny sample, on the other hand you have fallible humans going off random criteria that doesn't make any sense.
I mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.
we played PSU denver Syracuse Richmond all in top 20.
With so few teams playing the sport the RPI is volatile
Quote from: chimpfoodI mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.
Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodI mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.
Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.
And there's a long history of Cornell vs Hobart. Say what you want about it, but the Ivy League tag leans heavily on tradition for its panache.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodI mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.
Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.
And there's a long history of Cornell vs Hobart. Say what you want about it, but the Ivy League tag leans heavily on tradition for its panache.
Nothing inherently wrong with that.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodI mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.
Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.
And there's a long history of Cornell vs Hobart. Say what you want about it, but the Ivy League tag leans heavily on tradition for its panache.
Nothing inherently wrong with that.
One of, if not the oldest rivalries in collegiate lacrosse. From the CU preview of this year's game, "Cornell and Hobart will face off for the 142nd time dating back to May 5, 1896 — no other rivalry has been played more than 126 times."
Wikipedia has a little background and recent history. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell%E2%80%93Hobart_lacrosse_rivalry)
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodI mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.
Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.
And there's a long history of Cornell vs Hobart. Say what you want about it, but the Ivy League tag leans heavily on tradition for its panache.
Nothing inherently wrong with that.
Who'd be the best upgrade to the non-conference schedule that's close by? Army, I assume? Just guessing, but given the realities of squeezing 13 or 14 games into 10 weeks, those midweek nonconference games are most likely to be teams within a short-ish bus ride.
One of, if not the oldest rivalries in collegiate lacrosse. From the CU preview of this year's game, "Cornell and Hobart will face off for the 142nd time dating back to May 5, 1896 — no other rivalry has been played more than 126 times."
Wikipedia has a little background and recent history. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell%E2%80%93Hobart_lacrosse_rivalry)
Quote from: CU77Quote from: upprdeckI didnt think Lax used straight RPI type stuff like hockey does though?
Officially, no. Unofficially, kinda yes. Committee chair one year said they just started with the RPI list and then made adjustments.
This is a consequence of the official criteria being basically impossible to grok:
Primary Criteria:
Strength-of-schedule index [average RPI of top-10 opponents]
Results of the RPI:
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+.
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins).
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses).
Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
Additionally, input is provided by the regional advisory committee for consideration by the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used by the committee for selection purposes.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/lacrosse/d1/men/2024-25D1MLA_PreChamps.pdf
Just curious, how do they pick the "top-10 opponents"?
Quote from: WederWho'd be the best upgrade to the non-conference schedule that's close by? Army, I assume? Just guessing, but given the realities of squeezing 13 or 14 games into 10 weeks, those midweek nonconference games are most likely to be teams within a short-ish bus ride.
We haven't played Binghamton very recently, and that used to be an annual game (definitely not an upgrade, just the shortest trip for a weekday game). We play Albany more regularly now after they emerged as a national power with the Thompson trio 10 years ago. But they've regressed.
Honestly, it should always be Cornell-Syracuse. We played the last two years, but did they really drop us for Princeton as an annual thing?? Really?? Maybe they got annoyed because they couldn't win outside the dome.
We have played Colgate and Army in the past, we should play either if them instead of Hobart. Not sure why neither became an annual game.
Quote from: RichHHonestly, it should always be Cornell-Syracuse. We played the last two years, but did they really drop us for Princeton as an annual thing?? Really?? Maybe they got annoyed because they couldn't win outside the dome.
Our annual fixtures should be Hobart and Syracuse, because and because. If Syracuse is not an annual thing anymore, then that's an indictment of Syracuse; thus, we shouldn't in turn "Syracuse" Hobart. (Not that you would suggest we should, but other posters...)
Army and Penn State are the other obvious choices for annual games, and I would be surprised if they would not feel like making those pacts.
Other than those, I'm fine with spreading outselves around a bit for our other three games. We should look into BU, since they seem to be making a real go of it. I'm fine with freezing out the South. Let the NCAAs be our out-of-conference meetings with them.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichHHonestly, it should always be Cornell-Syracuse. We played the last two years, but did they really drop us for Princeton as an annual thing?? Really?? Maybe they got annoyed because they couldn't win outside the dome.
Our annual fixtures should be Hobart and Syracuse, because and because. If Syracuse is not an annual thing anymore, then that's an indictment of Syracuse; thus, we shouldn't in turn "Syracuse" Hobart. (Not that you would suggest we should, but other posters...)
Army and Penn State are the other obvious choices for annual games, and I would be surprised if they would not feel like making those pacts.
Other than those, I'm fine with spreading outselves around a bit for our other three games. We should look into BU, since they seem to be making a real go of it. I'm fine with freezing out the South. Let the NCAAs be our out-of-conference meetings with them.
Syracuse is in the 'South' (ACC)
Quote from: nshapiroSyracuse is in the 'South' (ACC)
True, true! Don't trouble me with facts!
Here's a question for you RPI gurus— on Saturday Yale plays Albany. In regards to Cornell's RPI, does it matter who wins?
Quote from: jjanow99Here's a question for you RPI gurus— on Saturday Yale plays Albany. In regards to Cornell's RPI, does it matter who wins?
My guess is that it's moot, except for the fact Cornell may play Yale an extra time in the Ivy tourney, so Yale may end up weighing twice as much as Albany in Cornell's RPI.
We want Yale to win.
First because Yale has had better opponents: their average opponent's record is currently 0.644 vs Albany's 0.508. This goes into the opponents' opponents' contribution to Cornell's RPI.
Second because Yale is currently #16, and we want them to stay in the top 20. Albany is #48 and has no chance as the top 20. The committee uses wins over top 20 as a selection criterion.
Third because (as BearLover said) we are likely to see them again in the ILT, and then their record and opponents' record will count twice as much as Albany's towards Cornell's RPI.
Similarly we want Princeton (#1) to beat Penn (#29).
Dartmouth (#23) vs Brown (#35) is more complicated. If Dartmouth has a shot at top 20 (not sure) then we want them to win, but if not, Brown has a better opponents' record.
Also: Cuse over UNC, Penn State over Rutgers.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
Quote from: CU77We want Yale to win.
First because Yale has had better opponents: their average opponent's record is currently 0.644 vs Albany's 0.508. This goes into the opponents' opponents' contribution to Cornell's RPI.
Second because Yale is currently #16, and we want them to stay in the top 20. Albany is #48 and has no chance as the top 20. The committee uses wins over top 20 as a selection criterion.
Third because (as BearLover said) we are likely to see them again in the ILT, and then their record and opponents' record will count twice as much as Albany's towards Cornell's RPI.
Similarly we want Princeton (#1) to beat Penn (#29).
Dartmouth (#23) vs Brown (#35) is more complicated. If Dartmouth has a shot at top 20 (not sure) then we want them to win, but if not, Brown has a better opponents' record.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
Oh, I was answering purely with respect to maximizing our RPI. I had forgotten about the opponents' opponents' thing though. If we're looking at non-RPI factors, you could argue we want teams in the top 20 to lose, since they could steal an at-large bid from us.
Generally we want teams we have played to win, ranked teams we have not played to lose.
It seems as if Cornell chooses its schedule to [pick one or more]:
- Suport NYS especially upstate teams
- Vary the competition and/ but back away from teams that aren't currently doing well (Binghamton for sure, Albany, Stony Brook (only played them 4X last 25 years))
- Play nearby teams so we could do a one-day trip, less than ~2 hours, to Syracuse, Hobart, Binghamton. Bucknell is 2:30, Penn State is 2:30, Albany is 3 hours, Lehigh is 3 hours, Army is 3:20. Except Army and Penn State, most have RPIs in the 50s.
- Hobart is an exception because we have played them so many years and, as an early-season game, we're not playing a Duke or Virginia.
- Always play Syracuse because they're top ten most years, and it's a one-hour drive. The gap year in 2023 was reported as Syracuse's desire to play an Ivy power other than Cornell. They beat Princeton by 3 and returned to the Cornell series in 2024. I believe the last Cornell-Cuse gap was late 1980s.
I could see / would like to see us play Army again, don't mind playing the Big Ten schools (even if the drive to Ohio State is about the same as to Virginia or Duke). We want to make sure we play enough high-RPI teams. It may be that the indoor practice field, Meinig Fieldhouse, takes away the early season advantage the Southern schools have (and the field is said to be usable for actual lax games as well but not I believe for soccer).
BU, newish to highest level lacrosse, would be a logical extension from hockey, and UMass is a possibility though it hasn't been a regular series for a quarter-century.
Since this was debated by others awhile back, I went on insidelacrosse.com to see how our recruiting is looking.
For 2025's entering class, we are holding our own. Our recruiting is around that of the other Ivies. The ACC is dominating, however, with Duke, UVA, UNC, and Notre Dame way ahead of the Ivies.
For 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
I would expect us to be doing better in recruiting given our recent success and all the #1 picks we've had the last few years (Teat, Adler, Kirst). What do you think explains why our recruiting has not caught up to our success? Lack of facilities (indoor practice facility might help)? Or is it as simple as lack of scholarships (despite generous financial aid)?
Quote from: BearLoverFor 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
Starting with the class entering in 2025, Harvard will cover the full cost of tuition for students from families with an annual income of $200k or less. According to the American Community Survey conducted annually by the US Census Bureau, the median household income in 2023 was $96.4k, with 87.6 percent of households earning below $200k. Households headed by individuals aged 45 to 54, the likely age of parents with college-age kids, had an even lower median HH income of $61.1k, so even a higher proportion would likely be below $200k. That's potentially a lot of "scholar-athletes."
Some significant caveats, however. The Bureau defines a family as two or more people related by birth, marriage, or adoption and residing together, so the more general term "households" includes the elderly, empty-nesters and 400 pound loners living in their parents' basements with presumably lower incomes. I assume, however, that most hockey players and laxers, come from suburban families with higher incomes and with a significantly smaller proportion below $200k.
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it may also be a function of recruiting against our own recruiting success with underclassmen expected to hoover up minutes. it is much more likely just variance and it's too soon to tell much of anything.
Quote from: ugarteit may also be a function of recruiting against our own recruiting success with underclassmen expected to hoover up minutes. it is much more likely just variance and it's too soon to tell much of anything.
I also feel like the "wahhh, we're not getting any 5***** A+++ rated recruits" Chicken Little panic has been happening with varying frequency for the past 15 years. Yet we still have continued to field some exceptional teams with regularity. Talented teams develop with good coaching and conditioning programs. We keep "finding" superstars like Seibald, Pannell, Teat, Adler, and Ceejus Kirst and surrounding them with incredibly deep support most years.
Quote from: ugarteit may also be a function of recruiting against our own recruiting success with underclassmen expected to hoover up minutes. it is much more likely just variance and it's too soon to tell much of anything.
I agree with the above. We may just have had a bit of a down year with the class of '26, even though no one really knows for sure. Most guys who see playing time this year are 4 or 5 star recruits, and we have plenty of 4 stars who don't see the field. Given our coaching staff and the success we're having, I expect we'll see a stronger class of '27 when the HS juniors can commit this September.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteit may also be a function of recruiting against our own recruiting success with underclassmen expected to hoover up minutes. it is much more likely just variance and it's too soon to tell much of anything.
I also feel like the "wahhh, we're not getting any 5***** A+++ rated recruits" Chicken Little panic has been happening with varying frequency for the past 15 years. Yet we still have continued to field some exceptional teams with regularity. Talented teams develop with good coaching and conditioning programs. We keep "finding" superstars like Seibald, Pannell, Teat, Adler, and Ceejus Kirst and surrounding them with incredibly deep support most years.
Well, here's an interesting question: how many stars did those guys have when they matriculated?
Really? You guys want to spend time worrying about future years when THIS YEAR'S team is unanimously viewed by cognoscenti as being the TOP TEAM IN THE COUNTRY with the best chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP since 2007?
Quote from: CU77Really? You guys want to spend time worrying about future years when THIS YEAR'S team is unanimously viewed by cognoscenti as being the TOP TEAM IN THE COUNTRY with the best chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP since 2007?
Can't argue with that. I think I was just looking for reasons to not feel like this year's team has to be the one that will finally take us back to the promised land.
Quote from: CU77Really? You guys want to spend time worrying about future years when THIS YEAR'S team is unanimously viewed by cognoscenti as being the TOP TEAM IN THE COUNTRY with the best chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP since 2007?
You probably haven't seen the wreckage of the hockey board. Well, it's about to happen here, unfortunately.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: CU77Really? You guys want to spend time worrying about future years when THIS YEAR'S team is unanimously viewed by cognoscenti as being the TOP TEAM IN THE COUNTRY with the best chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP since 2007?
You probably haven't seen the wreckage of the hockey board. Well, it's about to happen here, unfortunately.
Let's Go Red!
All three of Cornell's starting attackmen are on the list of 25 Tewaaraton nominees:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/25-nominees-named-for-2025-men-s-women-s-tewaaraton-award/65063
Quote from: CU77All three of Cornell's starting attackmen are on the list of 25 Tewaaraton nominees:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/25-nominees-named-for-2025-men-s-women-s-tewaaraton-award/65063
25? Can we just skip the theatrics and go right to the 5 finalists?
Quote from: RichHthe "wahhh, we're not getting any 5***** A+++ rated recruits" Chicken Little panic has been happening with varying frequency for the past 15 years. Yet we still have continued to field some exceptional teams with regularity.
Also true of hockey.
Quote from: BearLoverSince this was debated by others awhile back, I went on insidelacrosse.com to see how our recruiting is looking.
For 2025's entering class, we are holding our own. Our recruiting is around that of the other Ivies. The ACC is dominating, however, with Duke, UVA, UNC, and Notre Dame way ahead of the Ivies.
For 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
I would expect us to be doing better in recruiting given our recent success and all the #1 picks we've had the last few years (Teat, Adler, Kirst). What do you think explains why our recruiting has not caught up to our success? Lack of facilities (indoor practice facility might help)? Or is it as simple as lack of scholarships (despite generous financial aid)?
For the past 10-20 years our on field performance has exceeded our recruiting rankings. Parnell of course famously wasn't even a top 100 recruit his senior year of HS, and only Seibald was truly a "blue chip" recruit on those great teams of his era. But Buczek and Stevens have elevated our on paper recruiting profile, even though many of our recruits only get a bump in ratings well after they have committed to Cornell. Ryan Goldstein, for example, was no stars when he committed, then was bumped to a 3 star, and in his PG year was elevated to a 4 star and ranked 50th overall in his class.
As for the current regulars, most were highly rated in IL's final ratings for their respective classes:
5 stars — Kirst, Long, Staub, Firth, Nikolic (injured of course)
4 stars — Cascadden (was a 5 star but ended up just out of the 5 star group), Goldstein, Dalton, Graham, Waldman, Dooley, Singer, Rayhill, Wallace (as a goalie!), Melkonian, Schwartz, Box, Gilmartin, Kelleher
3 stars — Sheehan, Luzzi
No stars — Bozzi, Knust, Davis
Our backup goalie, sophomore Matt Tully, was a 5 star, and freshman goalie Tim Piacentini (who I believe is injured) was a high 4 star.
While we don't know where the incoming class of 2026 will ultimately fall when the final rankings come out, even if the class turns out to be lower than our recent norm, I would expect it to be an outlier as long as our current coaching staff remains intact — unless the new financial landscape of college sports has a greater impact on lacrosse than seems to be the present case.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSince this was debated by others awhile back, I went on insidelacrosse.com to see how our recruiting is looking.
For 2025's entering class, we are holding our own. Our recruiting is around that of the other Ivies. The ACC is dominating, however, with Duke, UVA, UNC, and Notre Dame way ahead of the Ivies.
For 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
I would expect us to be doing better in recruiting given our recent success and all the #1 picks we've had the last few years (Teat, Adler, Kirst). What do you think explains why our recruiting has not caught up to our success? Lack of facilities (indoor practice facility might help)? Or is it as simple as lack of scholarships (despite generous financial aid)?
For the past 10-20 years our on field performance has exceeded our recruiting rankings. Parnell of course famously wasn't even a top 100 recruit his senior year of HS, and only Seibald was truly a "blue chip" recruit on those great teams of his era. But Buczek and Stevens have elevated our on paper recruiting profile, even though many of our recruits only get a bump in ratings well after they have committed to Cornell. Ryan Goldstein, for example, was no stars when he committed, then was bumped to a 3 star, and in his PG year was elevated to a 4 star and ranked 50th overall in his class.
As for the current regulars, most were highly rated in IL's final ratings for their respective classes:
5 stars — Kirst, Long, Staub, Firth, Nikolic (injured of course)
4 stars — Cascadden (was a 5 star but ended up just out of the 5 star group), Goldstein, Dalton, Graham, Waldman, Dooley, Singer, Rayhill, Wallace (as a goalie!), Melkonian, Schwartz, Box, Gilmartin, Kelleher
3 stars — Sheehan, Luzzi
No stars — Bozzi, Knust, Davis
Our backup goalie, sophomore Matt Tully, was a 5 star, and freshman goalie Tim Piacentini (who I believe is injured) was a high 4 star.
While we don't know where the incoming class of 2026 will ultimately fall when the final rankings come out, even if the class turns out to be lower than our recent norm, I would expect it to be an outlier as long as our current coaching staff remains intact — unless the new financial landscape of college sports has a greater impact on lacrosse than seems to be the present case.
Thanks. Very helpful information. FWIW, Kirst and Teat were 5* recruits and Adler was 4*. Similar to hockey, our performance has exceeded our on-paper recruiting. But, similar to hockey, we are in the midst of a long national title drought. So if recruiting can pick up that is one way to finally end the drought. Another way to end the drought is to finally go all the way with our great team this season...!
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSince this was debated by others awhile back, I went on insidelacrosse.com to see how our recruiting is looking.
For 2025's entering class, we are holding our own. Our recruiting is around that of the other Ivies. The ACC is dominating, however, with Duke, UVA, UNC, and Notre Dame way ahead of the Ivies.
For 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
I would expect us to be doing better in recruiting given our recent success and all the #1 picks we've had the last few years (Teat, Adler, Kirst). What do you think explains why our recruiting has not caught up to our success? Lack of facilities (indoor practice facility might help)? Or is it as simple as lack of scholarships (despite generous financial aid)?
For the past 10-20 years our on field performance has exceeded our recruiting rankings. Parnell of course famously wasn't even a top 100 recruit his senior year of HS, and only Seibald was truly a "blue chip" recruit on those great teams of his era. But Buczek and Stevens have elevated our on paper recruiting profile, even though many of our recruits only get a bump in ratings well after they have committed to Cornell. Ryan Goldstein, for example, was no stars when he committed, then was bumped to a 3 star, and in his PG year was elevated to a 4 star and ranked 50th overall in his class.
As for the current regulars, most were highly rated in IL's final ratings for their respective classes:
5 stars — Kirst, Long, Staub, Firth, Nikolic (injured of course)
4 stars — Cascadden (was a 5 star but ended up just out of the 5 star group), Goldstein, Dalton, Graham, Waldman, Dooley, Singer, Rayhill, Wallace (as a goalie!), Melkonian, Schwartz, Box, Gilmartin, Kelleher
3 stars — Sheehan, Luzzi
No stars — Bozzi, Knust, Davis
Our backup goalie, sophomore Matt Tully, was a 5 star, and freshman goalie Tim Piacentini (who I believe is injured) was a high 4 star.
While we don't know where the incoming class of 2026 will ultimately fall when the final rankings come out, even if the class turns out to be lower than our recent norm, I would expect it to be an outlier as long as our current coaching staff remains intact — unless the new financial landscape of college sports has a greater impact on lacrosse than seems to be the present case.
Thanks. Very helpful information. FWIW, Kirst and Teat were 5* recruits and Adler was 4*. Similar to hockey, our performance has exceeded our on-paper recruiting. But, similar to hockey, we are in the midst of a long national title drought. So if recruiting can pick up that is one way to finally end the drought. Another way to end the drought is to finally go all the way with our great team this season...!
This year's team has all the elements needed for a championship run—-dynamic attack, excellent midfield (even with 2 key injuries), solid goaltending and an improved defense. A lot needs to go right to make it happen, but we have as good a chance as anyone.
The Irish explain why:
Any injury updates? Any chance they will be back this season?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSince this was debated by others awhile back, I went on insidelacrosse.com to see how our recruiting is looking.
For 2025's entering class, we are holding our own. Our recruiting is around that of the other Ivies. The ACC is dominating, however, with Duke, UVA, UNC, and Notre Dame way ahead of the Ivies.
For 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
I would expect us to be doing better in recruiting given our recent success and all the #1 picks we've had the last few years (Teat, Adler, Kirst). What do you think explains why our recruiting has not caught up to our success? Lack of facilities (indoor practice facility might help)? Or is it as simple as lack of scholarships (despite generous financial aid)?
For the past 10-20 years our on field performance has exceeded our recruiting rankings. Parnell of course famously wasn't even a top 100 recruit his senior year of HS, and only Seibald was truly a "blue chip" recruit on those great teams of his era. But Buczek and Stevens have elevated our on paper recruiting profile, even though many of our recruits only get a bump in ratings well after they have committed to Cornell. Ryan Goldstein, for example, was no stars when he committed, then was bumped to a 3 star, and in his PG year was elevated to a 4 star and ranked 50th overall in his class.
As for the current regulars, most were highly rated in IL's final ratings for their respective classes:
5 stars — Kirst, Long, Staub, Firth, Nikolic (injured of course)
4 stars — Cascadden (was a 5 star but ended up just out of the 5 star group), Goldstein, Dalton, Graham, Waldman, Dooley, Singer, Rayhill, Wallace (as a goalie!), Melkonian, Schwartz, Box, Gilmartin, Kelleher
3 stars — Sheehan, Luzzi
No stars — Bozzi, Knust, Davis
Our backup goalie, sophomore Matt Tully, was a 5 star, and freshman goalie Tim Piacentini (who I believe is injured) was a high 4 star.
While we don't know where the incoming class of 2026 will ultimately fall when the final rankings come out, even if the class turns out to be lower than our recent norm, I would expect it to be an outlier as long as our current coaching staff remains intact — unless the new financial landscape of college sports has a greater impact on lacrosse than seems to be the present case.
Thanks. Very helpful information. FWIW, Kirst and Teat were 5* recruits and Adler was 4*. Similar to hockey, our performance has exceeded our on-paper recruiting. But, similar to hockey, we are in the midst of a long national title drought. So if recruiting can pick up that is one way to finally end the drought. Another way to end the drought is to finally go all the way with our great team this season...!
This year's team has all the elements needed for a championship run—-dynamic attack, excellent midfield (even with 2 key injuries), solid goaltending and an improved defense. A lot needs to go right to make it happen, but we have as good a chance as anyone.
Solid on faceoffs, too, which was not the case for some of our more recent otherwise excellent teams.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverSince this was debated by others awhile back, I went on insidelacrosse.com to see how our recruiting is looking.
For 2025's entering class, we are holding our own. Our recruiting is around that of the other Ivies. The ACC is dominating, however, with Duke, UVA, UNC, and Notre Dame way ahead of the Ivies.
For 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
I would expect us to be doing better in recruiting given our recent success and all the #1 picks we've had the last few years (Teat, Adler, Kirst). What do you think explains why our recruiting has not caught up to our success? Lack of facilities (indoor practice facility might help)? Or is it as simple as lack of scholarships (despite generous financial aid)?
For the past 10-20 years our on field performance has exceeded our recruiting rankings. Parnell of course famously wasn't even a top 100 recruit his senior year of HS, and only Seibald was truly a "blue chip" recruit on those great teams of his era. But Buczek and Stevens have elevated our on paper recruiting profile, even though many of our recruits only get a bump in ratings well after they have committed to Cornell. Ryan Goldstein, for example, was no stars when he committed, then was bumped to a 3 star, and in his PG year was elevated to a 4 star and ranked 50th overall in his class.
As for the current regulars, most were highly rated in IL's final ratings for their respective classes:
5 stars — Kirst, Long, Staub, Firth, Nikolic (injured of course)
4 stars — Cascadden (was a 5 star but ended up just out of the 5 star group), Goldstein, Dalton, Graham, Waldman, Dooley, Singer, Rayhill, Wallace (as a goalie!), Melkonian, Schwartz, Box, Gilmartin, Kelleher
3 stars — Sheehan, Luzzi
No stars — Bozzi, Knust, Davis
Our backup goalie, sophomore Matt Tully, was a 5 star, and freshman goalie Tim Piacentini (who I believe is injured) was a high 4 star.
While we don't know where the incoming class of 2026 will ultimately fall when the final rankings come out, even if the class turns out to be lower than our recent norm, I would expect it to be an outlier as long as our current coaching staff remains intact — unless the new financial landscape of college sports has a greater impact on lacrosse than seems to be the present case.
Thanks. Very helpful information. FWIW, Kirst and Teat were 5* recruits and Adler was 4*. Similar to hockey, our performance has exceeded our on-paper recruiting. But, similar to hockey, we are in the midst of a long national title drought. So if recruiting can pick up that is one way to finally end the drought. Another way to end the drought is to finally go all the way with our great team this season...!
This year's team has all the elements needed for a championship run—-dynamic attack, excellent midfield (even with 2 key injuries), solid goaltending and an improved defense. A lot needs to go right to make it happen, but we have as good a chance as anyone.
Solid on faceoffs, too, which was not the case for some of our more recent otherwise excellent teams.
Yes, I meant to include faceoffs, which are a huge factor in our success.
Quote from: KenPAny injury updates? Any chance they will be back this season?
The 2 significant injuries are Nikolic and Holmes. Nikolic is out for the season, and while I don't know about Holmes, based on what it looked like when he went down, I suspect he's done too.
had 2-3 kids in braces and crutches at the game today.. I would think thats who they were
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Quote from: CU77We want Yale to win.
First because Yale has had better opponents: their average opponent's record is currently 0.644 vs Albany's 0.508. This goes into the opponents' opponents' contribution to Cornell's RPI.
Second because Yale is currently #16, and we want them to stay in the top 20. Albany is #48 and has no chance as the top 20. The committee uses wins over top 20 as a selection criterion.
Third because (as BearLover said) we are likely to see them again in the ILT, and then their record and opponents' record will count twice as much as Albany's towards Cornell's RPI.
Similarly we want Princeton (#1) to beat Penn (#29).
Dartmouth (#23) vs Brown (#35) is more complicated. If Dartmouth has a shot at top 20 (not sure) then we want them to win, but if not, Brown has a better opponents' record.
Also: Cuse over UNC, Penn State over Rutgers.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
Syracuse couldn't get the job done but most of the others games have gone out way. Yale behind by one at the half in Albany in what looks to be some downright miserable weather
Yale loses to Albany in OT.
Cornell RPI ends the day at #3.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
I'm jealous of everyone in Ithaca who gets to witness history next weekend
Quote from: BearLoverI'm jealous of everyone in Ithaca who gets to witness history next weekend
Me too
Quote from: CU77Yale loses to Albany in OT.
Cornell RPI ends the day at #3.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI likely to drop against Dartmouth and increase during ILT
Quote from: CU77Yale loses to Albany in OT.
Cornell RPI ends the day at #3.
https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI likely to drop against Dartmouth but increase during ILT.
Darthmouth is 8-4, above average for Cornell's opponents, and opponents' average winning percentage is 50% of RPI. So beating Dartmouth should raise Cornell's RPI.
Of course losing to Dartmouth would be a total disaster that cannot be contemplated ...
I'm planning to drive up for the Dartmouth game. There is a "field level" ticket option to sit in bleachers that I don't think was available when I went up for the Denver game. Has anyone done that option before and, if yes, how does the view of the game compare to the crescent?
Bleachers? West Stands has been down for well over a decade.
The problem is the track around the field that has not be used to competition for decades keeps fans far from the field. Not only are at-Harvard fans close to the action, it appeared one side has been bulldozed to make for a raised viewing platform.
Cornell as of 4/21 (and 11-1) remains #1 in both media and USILA/Coaches https://usila.org/news/2025/4/21/mens-lacrosse-usila-2025-mens-coaches-division-i-poll-week-11.aspx polls. Now 5 weeks at the top.
Syracuse - Richmond - Harvard hover around 10-12 in the polls and that has an impact on whether at season's end we get credit for beating top 10 or top 15 teams.
Cornell is also #1 in the https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-21-2025/ Quint Kessenich ratings:
Quote from: Quint Kessenich, Lax All-Stars, 4/21/255) Penn State
Penn State has had an incredibly successful 2024-25 athletics year, with the wrestling team and women's volleyball both capturing NCAA titles. The men's hockey team made the Frozen Four, and the football team was a playoff semifinalist after beating SMU and Boise State in the first two rounds. Success on campus is palpable.
4) Notre Dame
The Irish (7-3) [at North Carolina] turned a 4-0 deficit into a 12-6 win on Tobacco Road, alerting the nation that Notre Dame may be on an upward swing.
3) Princeton
The Tigers (10-2) were down three at halftime to Penn, but went on a 5-0 run to defeat the Quakers 12-8. Penn shot 1-for-14 in the second half and committed 11 turnovers.
2) Maryland
I was not overly impressed with 'Be the Best' (10-2) on Friday night as they disposed of Johns Hopkins 11-8 in front of a raucous crowd. The TV product, shot from the sixth floor roof, was unwatchable. The Terps weren't bad—just not exceptional. They were solid.
1) Cornell
The Big Red (11-1) torched Harvard, scoring 20 goals in Cambridge and clinching the host spot in the Ivy League tournament. CJ Kirst tied Payton Cormier for the most career goals all-time at 224. Cornell used a 5-1 first quarter and a 5-1 run in the fourth to ice the Crimson. They were plus-15 in face-offs and shot 20-for-41. Willem Firth scored four times and Ryan Goldstein had six points. Jack Cascadden had 14 ground balls and went 23-for-29 at the face-off dot. Big Green at Big Red on Saturday—a tricky game for the color blind. [<-- that was a weird attempt at humor] The Cornell offense ranks #1 in scoring.
Of note, and not to our advantage: https://lacrossereference.com/stats/strength-of-schedule-d1-men/ has Cornell as the #15 team in strength of schedule. The top five as of April 20 are Syracuse, Penn, NC, Maryland, Hopkins. Princeton is 10, Yale 11, Brown 12, Richmond 16, Harvard 18, Lehigh 22, Hobart 38. Worse: Fourth-ranked Army is #37 on SOS.
Larken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Quote from: Kemp Report, Inside LacrosseAAA: Elite Tier (Final Four or Bust)
1. Cornell LGR
AA: Contenders Tier (realistic path to Final Four)
2. Maryland Terrapins
3. Princeton Tigers
4. Ohio State Buckeyes
5. Go Army, beat Navy
6. Notre Dame Fighting Irish
7. North Carolina Tar Heels
A: Dangerous Floaters (not a team you want in Quarters)
8. Penn State Nittany Lions
9. Duke Blue Devils
10. Syracuse Orange
Everyone else.
Quote from: billhowardLarken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Gotta love the man's prose style. He opens with "Hours from Ulaanbaatar, at the edge of the Mongolian steppe, where the horizon stretches unbroken and silence rides the wind, the Mongol Derby begins." Lacrosse is not mentioned until paragraph five.
He was also great fun to watch as a player, a two-way LSM at Brown on their one-foot-away-from-winning-it-all 2016 team.
Quote from: billhowardCornell as of 4/21 (and 11-1) remains #1 in both media and USILA/Coaches https://usila.org/news/2025/4/21/mens-lacrosse-usila-2025-mens-coaches-division-i-poll-week-11.aspx polls. Now 5 weeks at the top.
The longest stretch of any team this year.
Quote from: billhowardSyracuse - Richmond - Harvard hover around 10-12 in the polls and that has an impact on whether at season's end we get credit for beating top 10 or top 15 teams.
I believe the NC$$ does not use the polls to seed teams. They use RPI instead. According to Lacrosse Reference, Cornell currently ranks #5 in NC$$ RPI. S, R, & H currently rank 19, 25, & 6 respectively.
Quote from: billhowardCornell is also #1 in the https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-21-2025/ Quint Kessenich ratings:
Quote from: Quint Kessenich, Lax All-Stars, 4/21/255) Penn State
Penn State has had an incredibly successful 2024-25 athletics year, with the wrestling team and women's volleyball both capturing NCAA titles. The men's hockey team made the Frozen Four, and the football team was a playoff semifinalist after beating SMU and Boise State in the first two rounds. Success on campus is palpable.
4) Notre Dame
The Irish (7-3) [at North Carolina] turned a 4-0 deficit into a 12-6 win on Tobacco Road, alerting the nation that Notre Dame may be on an upward swing.
3) Princeton
The Tigers (10-2) were down three at halftime to Penn, but went on a 5-0 run to defeat the Quakers 12-8. Penn shot 1-for-14 in the second half and committed 11 turnovers.
2) Maryland
I was not overly impressed with 'Be the Best' (10-2) on Friday night as they disposed of Johns Hopkins 11-8 in front of a raucous crowd. The TV product, shot from the sixth floor roof, was unwatchable. The Terps weren't bad—just not exceptional. They were solid.
1) Cornell
The Big Red (11-1) torched Harvard, scoring 20 goals in Cambridge and clinching the host spot in the Ivy League tournament. CJ Kirst tied Payton Cormier for the most career goals all-time at 224. Cornell used a 5-1 first quarter and a 5-1 run in the fourth to ice the Crimson. They were plus-15 in face-offs and shot 20-for-41. Willem Firth scored four times and Ryan Goldstein had six points. Jack Cascadden had 14 ground balls and went 23-for-29 at the face-off dot. Big Green at Big Red on Saturday—a tricky game for the color blind. [<-- that was a weird attempt at humor] The Cornell offense ranks #1 in scoring.
Of note, and not to our advantage: https://lacrossereference.com/stats/strength-of-schedule-d1-men/ has Cornell as the #15 team in strength of schedule. The top five as of April 20 are Syracuse, Penn, NC, Maryland, Hopkins. Princeton is 10, Yale 11, Brown 12, Richmond 16, Harvard 18, Lehigh 22, Hobart 38. Worse: Fourth-ranked Army is #37 on SOS.
Again, these are Lacrosse Reference's versions of the metrics. While perhaps better conceptually, they're not what the NC$$ uses to seed teams. LR has another metric, LAX-ELO, for comparing relative strength of teams. Cornell currently ranks #3, behind just Army & Notre Dame, with MD #4, Princeton #8, Richmond #10, 'Cuse #12, Yale #17, & Harvard #23.
Quote from: billhowardLarken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Quote from: Kemp Report, Inside LacrosseAAA: Elite Tier (Final Four or Bust)
1. Cornell LGR
AA: Contenders Tier (realistic path to Final Four)
2. Maryland Terrapins
3. Princeton Tigers
4. Ohio State Buckeyes
5. Go Army, beat Navy
6. Notre Dame Fighting Irish
7. North Carolina Tar Heels
A: Dangerous Floaters (not a team you want in Quarters)
8. Penn State Nittany Lions
9. Duke Blue Devils
10. Syracuse Orange
Everyone else.
Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardLarken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Gotta love the man's prose style. He opens with "Hours from Ulaanbaatar, at the edge of the Mongolian steppe, where the horizon stretches unbroken and silence rides the wind, the Mongol Derby begins." Lacrosse is not mentioned until paragraph five.
He was also great fun to watch as a player, a two-way LSM at Brown on their one-foot-away-from-winning-it-all 2016 team.
I've been 1000 km from Ulaanbaatar in the Mongolian steppe. It's as impressive and isolated as he describes it.
Fortunately I was in an SUV not on a horse.
Payton Cormier congratulates CJ on breaking his NCAA career scoring record:
https://x.com/Inside_Lacrosse/status/1916165380516573209
Quote from: CU77Payton Cormier congratulates CJ on breaking his NCAA career scoring record:
https://x.com/Inside_Lacrosse/status/1916165380516573209
Classy.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardLarken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Gotta love the man's prose style. He opens with "Hours from Ulaanbaatar, at the edge of the Mongolian steppe, where the horizon stretches unbroken and silence rides the wind, the Mongol Derby begins." Lacrosse is not mentioned until paragraph five.
He was also great fun to watch as a player, a two-way LSM at Brown on their one-foot-away-from-winning-it-all 2016 team.
I've been 1000 km from Ulaanbaatar in the Mongolian steppe. It's as impressive and isolated as he describes it.
Fortunately I was in an SUV not on a horse.
But did you sleep in a yurt?
All Bonni wants from life is to sleep in a yurt.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardLarken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Gotta love the man's prose style. He opens with "Hours from Ulaanbaatar, at the edge of the Mongolian steppe, where the horizon stretches unbroken and silence rides the wind, the Mongol Derby begins." Lacrosse is not mentioned until paragraph five.
He was also great fun to watch as a player, a two-way LSM at Brown on their one-foot-away-from-winning-it-all 2016 team.
I've been 1000 km from Ulaanbaatar in the Mongolian steppe. It's as impressive and isolated as he describes it.
Fortunately I was in an SUV not on a horse.
But did you sleep in a yurt?
All Bonni wants from life is to sleep in a yurt.
"Yurt" is actually a Russian word. The Mongolian word is "ger". And the Mongolians despise the Russians.
But yes, we spent several nights in ger camps. Some were in permanent campgrounds with fixed bathrooms and shower blocks. And electricity for lights, tablets, cell phones, etc. Some camps are more impermanent with temporary latrines and shower tents (and a library tent!). Some gers had wood-fired stoves. Others used horse or camel dung. The staff would come in a couple times a night to tend the fire for you. The fixed gers typically held four beds, but I always had my own ger. They all were huge, comfortable, and toasty-warm when needed.
OTOH, at the more distant sites from UB, we stayed in giant conical tents branded "tenteepees". Tall enough to stand in and to fit a good sized cot/bed or two if needed. They were easier for the support crew to put up and break down quickly. No heat, but plenty of yak-hair blankets to crawl under.
But FTR, I've also stayed in a yurt...in Kazakhstan.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardLarken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Gotta love the man's prose style. He opens with "Hours from Ulaanbaatar, at the edge of the Mongolian steppe, where the horizon stretches unbroken and silence rides the wind, the Mongol Derby begins." Lacrosse is not mentioned until paragraph five.
He was also great fun to watch as a player, a two-way LSM at Brown on their one-foot-away-from-winning-it-all 2016 team.
I've been 1000 km from Ulaanbaatar in the Mongolian steppe. It's as impressive and isolated as he describes it.
Fortunately I was in an SUV not on a horse.
But did you sleep in a yurt?
All Bonni wants from life is to sleep in a yurt.
A little closer to home, several state parks in the "other" Washington have yurts that can be rented. Here's an example: https://parks.wa.gov/find-parks/state-parks/cape-disappointment-state-park/cape-disappointment-yurts#:~:text=Cape%20Disappointment%20Yurts%20%7C%20Washington%20State%20Parks
(Doing my best to support the proud eLynah tradition of thread drift....)
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardLarken Kemp in https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-kemp-report-sudden-death-dodgeball/65099 has the teams in these brackets going into the weekend of April 28:
Gotta love the man's prose style. He opens with "Hours from Ulaanbaatar, at the edge of the Mongolian steppe, where the horizon stretches unbroken and silence rides the wind, the Mongol Derby begins." Lacrosse is not mentioned until paragraph five.
He was also great fun to watch as a player, a two-way LSM at Brown on their one-foot-away-from-winning-it-all 2016 team.
I've been 1000 km from Ulaanbaatar in the Mongolian steppe. It's as impressive and isolated as he describes it.
Fortunately I was in an SUV not on a horse.
But did you sleep in a yurt?
All Bonni wants from life is to sleep in a yurt.
"Yurt" is actually a Russian word. The Mongolian word is "ger".
I must tell her this. She will be ashamed.
I should have known. The ger is the Mongol special building in one of the versions of Civ.
Media poll 4/28, after end of the Cornell regular season:
[list=1]
- Cornell (all 24 first place vores)
- Princeton
- Maryland
- Army
- Ohio State
Also 10 Richmond, 11 Harvard, 12 Syracuse, Must suck for Hopkins fans being in the section "also receiving votes."
Coaches' poll via https://usila.org/
[list=1]
- Cornell (26 firsts)
- Princeton
- Maryland (1 first)
- Army
- TOSU
NCAA Lacrosse RPI after 4/27 games
[list=1]
- Maryland
- Princeton
- Cornell
- Penn State
- North Carolina
- ND
- Duke
- TOSYU
- Richmond
- Harvard
- Syracuse
- Army
- BU
- Michigan
- Virginia
Lax All-Stars https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-28-2025/
Quote from: Quint Kessenich 4/218/25Here's the final Top 20 of 2025. Don't get my poll confused with bracketology. They are different exercises. It's my opinion. Feels like the Big Ten can't score, and the Ivy League is light on defense. ACC teams lack consistency. Who can play both offense and defense at a high level? Who can play complimentary [complementary?—ed]lacrosse? We find out in May.
This is a huge week. Ten AQs are earned across the D1 landscape. Champ Week is an extension of the 18-team NCAA bracket. Seventy-four D1 teams get paired [sic] down to 18 by May 4. Let's celebrate these moments and put these programs on a pedestal. The NCAA tournament selection show is on Sunday, May 4 (ESPN+) at 9:30 p.m.
1. Cornell. "The Big Red (12-1) got a record-setting day from CJ Kirst and strong outings from their specialists — goalie Wyatt Knust and FOGO Jack Cascadden — in a bland home win over Dartmouth. The Big Red host Yale on Friday in the Ivy semis (ESPN+). I'm not sure how Yale will defend CJ Kirst and company."
2. Maryland.
3. Princeton.
4. Notre Dame. "The Irish (7-3) repeated scoreless streaks have to be a concern. They had a drought of 29:00 minutes against UNC, only scored one goal over 32:00 on April 12 versus Virginia, and went without a goal for 40:00 in the Dome. It happened again on Saturday against Penn, trailing 6-1 through the first 28:00 minutes before unleashing a quarter of excellence on their way to a closer-than-expected home win on Senior Day. 10-8 final highlighted by Devon McClane and Chris Kavanagh. But these types of dry spells forecast doom.
5. Penn State. "The Nittany Lions (10-3) held off a late run by Johns Hopkins, advancing 13-12 to the league semis and likely locking up a home game in the NCAA tournament. Their RPI is currently #4. Kyle Lehman scored four times, while Luke Walstrum had four assists. JHU took seven of eight faceoffs in the fourth quarter while closing ground late. Meanwhile, Hopkins started (6-2) and then lost all six Big Ten games. Dreadful. The last time JHU did not play a lacrosse game in May was 2020 with the Covid shutdown, and prior to that in 1945 during WWII."
For NCAA tournament seeding, my understanding is the NCAA looks at these factors, per https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/il-s-third-2025-bracketology-presented-by-get-reps-reacting-to-the-committee/65115, and here is where Cornell stands as of before our final (Dartmouth) RS game:
Quote from: Terry Foy, Inside Lacrosse2. Cornell (11-1) [Cornell projected as 2-seed behind Maryland]
[factors in ranking teams for seedng] RPI: 3
SOS: 13
Top 5 Wins: Princeton
Top 6-10 Wins: Syracuse, Harvard
Top 11-20 Wins: Richmond, Yale
Non Top-20 Losses: None
Cornell is on the cusp of as many as 3 top 6-10 rating wins vs. top 11-20 wins depending on where Richmond, Harvard and Syracuse shake out. Assuming we advance to a Cornell-Princeton ILT final, we could pick up another top-five win.
Foy also noted that the more you try to read into the NCAA's criteria, and which criteria they value most ... the harder it is to get the rankings/seedings right come tournament time:
Quote from: Terry FoyFor more than a decade, I've referred to the NCAA Men's Lacrosse Selection Criteria as "subjectively objective." I refer to it that way because the process utilizes objective criteria but without a stated method of ordering that criteria, which allows each individual year's Committee to interpret the criteria differently. As a result, the exercise of projecting the eventual Tournament bracket lacks what it needs most: any indication of how this year's Committee will deviate from prior Committees in interpreting the criteria.
In the late 2010s, in an effort to help form fan expectations heading into Selection Sunday, the Committee released two Top 10 Rankings during ESPN game broadcasts. Ideally, this could be the skeleton key mentioned above. What can be gleaned from the Committee's Top 10 that could make projecting the bracket better?
On May 5, 2022, for the Fourth Bracketology update of that year, I quoted IL's Patrick McEwen — who had used early AI tools to compare the NCAA Selection Criteria data inputs to the NCAA Tournament fields that the Committees eventually created over the preceding decade or more, then made them forward-looking to predict the bracket based on current-year data. He said: "I studied it extensively the first two years and found the Committee's Top 10 data did not improve my machine-learning projections and, in fact, made them slightly worse."
....
Ranking Cornell ahead of Princeton and Maryland suggests the Committee is downgrading the value of strength of schedule and volume of Top 5 Wins; the Tigers and Terps ranked Nos. 1 and 2 in SOS, and both had two Top 5 Wins to Cornell's one. And by ranking the Big Red ahead of Penn State, who also had a superior RPI and SOS, one can infer the Committee is deemphasizing head-to-head wins, as the Nittany Lions beat Cornell on March 8.
As a result, it would seem the Committee is valuing record, specifically few losses, most highly as the Big Red's one loss is the lone aspect of their résumé that is superior to Princeton's and Maryland's.
But if that were the case, it would suggest bumping up Army, the only other one-loss team in Division I. Instead, the Committee ranked the Black Knights two spots below their RPI ranking, behind a team they beat (North Carolina) and two spots lower than I did.
At that brings us to the rub: how to utilize the Committee's Top 10 in order to improve this Bracketology exercise. When it lacks its own decipherable internal logic, it makes it very hard to deviate from what had been my standard method of doing this projection that I've adopted over the years.
Foy's bracket has it 1 Maryland, 2 Cornell, 3 Princeton, 4 Penn State. A lot can / will happen this week. In the BigTen, the top seed is TOSU, they play Rutgers Thursday, likely not guaranteed Ohio State win, then Maryland plays Penn State, then finals Saturday. Two chances for Maryland to fall; their RS losses are to arguably worse Michigan 3OT and Rutgers 8-6. I would like to see a bracket that has Cornell and Princeton meeting on Memorial Day. There have been two Ivies in the NCAA quarterfinals before but never an Ivy vs Ivy championship game.
If the NCAA commitee wants to crunch more numbers, it might also devalue OT wins or losses, and also perhaps one-goal wins or losses. Perhaps also margin-of-victory up to, say 5 (?) or 7 (?) goals.
Quote from: BearLoverSince this was debated by others awhile back, I went on insidelacrosse.com to see how our recruiting is looking.
For 2025's entering class, we are holding our own. Our recruiting is around that of the other Ivies. The ACC is dominating, however, with Duke, UVA, UNC, and Notre Dame way ahead of the Ivies.
For 2026's entering class, which was the point of concern when this topic previously came up, we appear to be sorely lacking. Harvard is doing very well with this class, including two 5* recruits. I know it was mentioned previously that perhaps these rankings will be further updated and that could change things.
I would expect us to be doing better in recruiting given our recent success and all the #1 picks we've had the last few years (Teat, Adler, Kirst). What do you think explains why our recruiting has not caught up to our success? Lack of facilities (indoor practice facility might help)? Or is it as simple as lack of scholarships (despite generous financial aid)?
Perhaps it's our location in upstate New York (https://youtu.be/VYTg4GY9SA4?feature=shared).::help::
Kirst Ivy attack man of the year, kelleher Ivy midfielder of the year (surprising to me) and singer ivy defenseman of the year (surprised he won but very deserved)
Quote from: chimpfoodKirst Ivy attack man of the year, kelleher Ivy midfielder of the year (surprising to me) and singer ivy defenseman of the year (surprised he won but very deserved)
Keller is surprising to me too. In Ivy League games , Kelleher had 14 points , Firth 24.
ATTACKMAN OF THE YEAR
CJ Kirst, Cornell (Sr, A)*
MIDFIELDER OF THE YEAR
Hugh Kelleher, Cornell (Sr, M)
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Jayson Singer, Cornell (Sr, D)
GOALTENDER OF THE YEAR
Ryan Croddick, Princeton (Jr, G)
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Peter Buonnano, Princeton (Fr, A) *
CO-COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR
Dartmouth
CO-COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR
Princeton
ALL-IVY FIRST TEAM^
CJ Kirst, Cornell (Sr, A)*
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton (Sr, A)*
Sam King, Harvard (Sr, A)
Hugh Kelleher, Cornell (Sr, M)
Willem Firth, Cornell (So, M)
Logan Ip, Harvard (Jr, M)
Tucker Wade, Princeton (So, M)
Jayson Singer, Cornell (Sr, D)
Brendan Lavelle, Penn (Sr, D)
Colin Mulshine, Princeton (Sr, D)
Ryan Croddick, Princeton (Jr, G)
Jack Cascadden, Cornell (Jr, FO)*
Walker Wallace, Cornell (Sr, LSM)
Cooper Mueller, Princeton (Jr, SSDM)
ALL-IVY SECOND TEAM^
Ryan Goldstein, Cornell (So, A)
Michael Long, Cornell (Sr, A)
Thomas Power, Dartmouth (Jr, A)
Jack Speidell, Harvard (So, A)
Nate Kabiri, Princeton (So, A)
Leo Johnson, Yale (Sr, A)
Chad Palumbo, Princeton (Jr, M)
Max Krevsky, Yale (Sr, M)
Aidan McLane, Brown (Sr, M)
Griffin Scane, Penn (Jr, M)
Charlie Cave, Brown (Jr, D)
Michael Bath, Princeton (Sr, D)
Martin Nelson, Harvard (Sr, D)
Jack Stuzin, Yale (Sr, D)
Mason Morel, Dartmouth (Sr, G)
Spencer Reagan, Dartmouth (Fr, FO)
Ryan McLaughlin, Penn (Jr, LSM)
Chris Davis, Cornell (Sr, SSDM)
HONORABLE MENTION
Emmett Paradine, Dartmouth (Jr, M)
Thomas Goguen, Dartmouth (Jr, D)
Brendan Staub, Cornell (Jr, D)
Patrick Pisano, Yale (Jr, D)
Wyatt Knust, Cornell (Sr, G)
Emmet Carroll, Penn (Sr, G)
Machado Rodriguez, Yale (Sr, FO)
Ray Dearth, Harvard (Sr, SSDM)
Jackson Green, Princeton (So, SSDM)
Owen Guest, Harvard (Jr, SSDM)
*unanimous selection
^team expanded due to ties in voting
https://ivyleague.com/news/2025/4/30/ivy-league-mens-lacrosse-all-ivy-major-awards-announced.aspx
Great to see so many kids get some recognition. Scary when you see so many are SRs
The recruiting has not ben stellar for the '26 class, when compared to our Ivy brethren. I am assuming it's a combination of NIL (financial aid packages), sub par facilities, and the type of kids CB wants in terms of culture and team first attitude. However, I'm quite concerned going forward without having a couple of "5*" caliber kids in the class, while losing so much talent in the next 2 years. Hopefully, the new indoor facility will help! I've ben harping on this in the other fanlax forum, but have been told repeatedly, to not be concerned- we have enough talent. I'm not so sure about that, even Dartmouth has out recruited us in the '26 class!
As for Kelleher, it's not just the scoring, but the attention he attracts as soon as he steps on the field. Everyone else gets open space, and the team flourishes!
Quote from: big29redAs for Kelleher, it's not just the scoring, but the attention he attracts as soon as he steps on the field. Everyone else gets open space, and the team flourishes!
Well, in the Dartmouth game, CJ didn't get much open space, and Dartmouth made the game close.
All-Ivy mentions first-second-HM: Cornell 11, Princeton 9. Cornell has attackman, midfield, defender of the year, no FOGO of the year named but Cascadden is first team FOGO.
Unanimous All-Ivy: Kirst, D JaysonSinger. as well as A Coulter Mackesy and (Princeton). Princeton attackman Peter Buonnano was unanimous rookie of the year but did not make All-Ivy first/second/HM.
Quote from: big29redI've ben harping on this in the other fanlax forum, but have been told repeatedly, to not be concerned- we have enough talent. I'm not so sure about that, even Dartmouth has out recruited us in the '26 class!
The "Cornell coaching staff gets more out of less" taking point is cope. Yes, maybe we can still win with a bunch of 3* recruits more than another school could, but we'd clearly be better off with a bunch of 5* players like Kirst and Teat.
Yes- quite true. We lack size and speed in the midfield (both Offensive and Defensive Middies), that will come back to bite us in the future. Princeton and Harvard's middies are bigger and faster on both sides of the field, they are young and also have recruited quite well in the next few upcoming classes, as has Dartmouth and Brown. Once the current senior class leaves, we do not have much size backing them up on Attack and in the Midfield. The game has changed- you need big, athletic middies to get up and down the field who possess hard accurate shots. Looking at our roster, we don't have a lot of that, other than AJ, who is out this year w/ an ACL- don't know what he'll be able to do next year. We really need to step up the '27 recruiting!
i don't love a one year dip but i'm also not going to overthink a one year dip as we are about to start the postseason with the top-ranked team in the country.
should i be less surprised that knust wasn't even second-team?
Quote from: ugartei don't love a one year dip but i'm also not going to overthink a one year dip as we are about to start the postseason with the top-ranked team in the country.
should i be less surprised that knust wasn't even second-team?
I don't have the stats in front of me but it could be a function of other goalies having more saves due to their teams possessing the ball less than Cornell does. I.e. other teams don't win as many faceoffs or force as many turnovers, so they rely on their goalie more.
Quote from: ugartei don't love a one year dip but i'm also not going to overthink a one year dip as we are about to start the postseason with the top-ranked team in the country.
should i be less surprised that knust wasn't even second-team?
I'm in agreeance with this. (I like that word "agreeance"--it's archaic and hardly ever used--I first heard it on a TV show about 20 years ago when I think the person using it meant to say "agreement.")
Anyway, there is a time to worry about 2026. That time is AFTER the 2025 NCAA tournament.
Quote from: djk26I'm in agreeance with this. (I like that word "agreeance"--it's archaic and hardly ever used--I first heard it on a TV show about 20 years ago when I think the person using it meant to say "agreement.")
Agreement or agreeance? Did you throw away your Strunk and White,
The Elements of Style, that you bought for freshman English? It advocated using the active voice, as it is usually more direct and vigorous than the passive.
Quote from: George64Quote from: djk26I'm in agreeance with this. (I like that word "agreeance"--it's archaic and hardly ever used--I first heard it on a TV show about 20 years ago when I think the person using it meant to say "agreement.")
Agreement or agreeance? Did you throw away your Strunk and White, The Elements of Style, that you bought for freshman English? It advocated using the active voice, as it is usually more direct and vigorous than the passive.
I was joking about "agreeance"--the word is silly. ::burnout::
Quote from: djk26Quote from: George64Quote from: djk26I'm in agreeance with this. (I like that word "agreeance"--it's archaic and hardly ever used--I first heard it on a TV show about 20 years ago when I think the person using it meant to say "agreement.")
Agreement or agreeance? Did you throw away your Strunk and White, The Elements of Style, that you bought for freshman English? It advocated using the active voice, as it is usually more direct and vigorous than the passive.
I was joking about "agreeance"--the word is silly. ::burnout::
I'm in agreement! I totally agree!
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Quote from: George64Quote from: djk26Quote from: George64Quote from: djk26I'm in agreeance with this. (I like that word "agreeance"--it's archaic and hardly ever used--I first heard it on a TV show about 20 years ago when I think the person using it meant to say "agreement.")
Agreement or agreeance? Did you throw away your Strunk and White, The Elements of Style, that you bought for freshman English? It advocated using the active voice, as it is usually more direct and vigorous than the passive.
I was joking about "agreeance"--the word is silly. ::burnout::
I'm in agreement! I totally agree!
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And I concur.
Quote from: ugarteshould i be less surprised that knust wasn't even second-team?
You shouldn't be surprised at all.
NCAA saves percentage statistics:
3. Ryan Croddick, Princeton, 60.4%
7. Mason Morel, Dartmouth, 58.3%
19. Connor Foley, Brown, 55.4%
22. Wyatt Knust, Cornell, 54.6%
33. Emmet Carroll, Penn, 52.8%
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/individual/224
Foley is the player with a legit complaint ... ::flipa::
Suppose we have an off year next year but this year we excel in the playoffs, maybe even win it all. We will likely have good to excellent teams in 2026 and 2027 even if recruiting isn't as good as the previous four years. I've been thinking about Ivy lacrosse and ECAC hockey teams that have done well, win the NCAA title or least make finals weekend. Only 4 of 77 D1 lacrosse teams get that far. Then things kind of slip. Yale and Union won hockey titles in 2013 and 2014 then kind of slipped. The current Yale and Brown teams are shadows of the lacrosse champion and final weekend teams. Okay, Q has kept up after winning the hockey title. In lacrosse, Princeton is the other Ivy team that doesn't have long stretches of down years.
Quote from: CU77Quote from: ugarteshould i be less surprised that knust wasn't even second-team?
You shouldn't be surprised at all.
NCAA saves percentage statistics:
3. Ryan Croddick, Princeton, 60.4%
7. Mason Morel, Dartmouth, 58.3%
19. Connor Foley, Brown, 55.4%
22. Wyatt Knust, Cornell, 54.6%
33. Emmet Carroll, Penn, 52.8%
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/individual/224
Foley is the player with a legit complaint ... ::flipa::
I assume that lacrosse All Ivy is based on performance in Ivy games (how it's done for hockey), so maybe Carroll's sv% in Ivy games was higher than Foley's.
Quote from: JasonN95I assume that lacrosse All Ivy is based on performance in Ivy games (how it's done for hockey), so maybe Carroll's sv% in Ivy games was higher than Foley's.
Good point! And Foley is actually last(!) in saves percentage in Ivy games. https://ivyleague.com/stats.aspx?path=mlax&year=2025&conf=true
Red leads Yale 6-3 near the end of Q1, but now: lightning delay ::cry::
Resuming at 5:32 PM per tweet from Yale MLax
Just noticed there's now a Yale game thread ...
Quote from: CU77Quote from: ugarteshould i be less surprised that knust wasn't even second-team?
You shouldn't be surprised at all.
NCAA saves percentage statistics:
3. Ryan Croddick, Princeton, 60.4%
7. Mason Morel, Dartmouth, 58.3%
19. Connor Foley, Brown, 55.4%
22. Wyatt Knust, Cornell, 54.6%
33. Emmet Carroll, Penn, 52.8%
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/individual/224
Foley is the player with a legit complaint ... ::flipa::
thx. my eyes deceived me because it felt like we made the goalies look bad and i'm not watching any games we're not in.
Maryland loses so Cornell probably playing for the 1 seed now
Quote from: upprdeckMaryland loses so Cornell probably playing for the 1 seed now
I can't see how we don't get it after today's win.
Quote from: margolismQuote from: upprdeckMaryland loses so Cornell probably playing for the 1 seed now
I can't see how we don't get it after today's win.
Now #1 RPI by ,0002 over Maryland. Princeton #3.
Cool split screen video of Kirst's draft pick announcement:
https://x.com/premierlacrosse/status/1920122188595634662?s=46&t=NmaV_B3oar4VeDi4Huee8w
Quote from: JasonN95Cool split screen video of Kirst's draft pick announcement:
https://x.com/premierlacrosse/status/1920122188595634662?s=46&t=NmaV_B3oar4VeDi4Huee8w
Does anyone maintain a lacrosse version of "Alumni in the Pros"? I'm assuming it's just PLL and no international leagues...?
Quote from: JasonN95Cool split screen video of Kirst's draft pick announcement:
https://x.com/premierlacrosse/status/1920122188595634662?s=46&t=NmaV_B3oar4VeDi4Huee8w
I kind of love that there was a watch party for Kirst's draft pick but not for the tourney selection show.
QuoteHow family forged CJ Kirst's journey to greatness
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/45043326
I would not be surprised to see Richmond deliver an upset today. Colgate is playing well at the right time. I think they'll win too.
Quote from: mike1960I would not be surprised to see Richmond deliver an upset today. Colgate is playing well at the right time. I think they'll win too.
Hoping both do. Colgate's offense was devastating against Harvard.
Quote from: mike1960I would not be surprised to see Richmond deliver an upset today. Colgate is playing well at the right time. I think they'll win too.
They're Down 3-0 late in the first quarter, very sloppy with the ball.
5-2 UNC at the half. No one on Richmond has been able to win a matchup on offense.
Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: mike1960I would not be surprised to see Richmond deliver an upset today. Colgate is playing well at the right time. I think they'll win too.
They're Down 3-0 late in the first quarter, very sloppy with the ball.
UNC 9 - UR 8 w/ 2:08 left in Q3.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jjanow99Quote from: mike1960I would not be surprised to see Richmond deliver an upset today. Colgate is playing well at the right time. I think they'll win too.
They're Down 3-0 late in the first quarter, very sloppy with the ball.
UNC 9 - UR 8 w/ 2:08 left in Q3.
11-10 Spiders mid 4th
Now 12-10 Spiders with 2 mins left.
And 13-10 with an ENG.
FINAL! Bye bye Tar Heels.
Richmond wins!
Quote from: profudgeRichmond wins!
wow. meanwhile Princeton-Towson is close nearing the end of the first half. 10-6 after Princeton scored off a faceoff while I was typing.
Princeton has pulled away 22-12 with 9:23 left in the 4th.
Have to imagine Albany will be a tougher draw than what Princeton is seeing right now.
Quote from: profudgeRichmond wins!
Not gonna lie, there are two teams outside the top 3 I'm worried about: Ohio State and Richmond. I'm pretty upset the Spiders advanced. We barely escaped with a W and they seem hungry.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Now 12-10 Spiders with 2 mins left.
And 13-10 with an ENG.
FINAL! Bye bye Tar Heels.
Not surprised. I was kind of hoping to see Spencer Wirtheim (doing a grad year at UNC) play against his old team next weekend
The Colgate goalie is looking right in the sun from the right side. Tough draw.
11-11 tie with Penn state. 3:15 left.
Now 13-11 PSU, with about 25 secs left.
And final.
What is this sport Georgetown and Duke are playing? Do they not know that the objective is to put the ball in the net?
4-2 Georgetown with 10 left in the 2nd.
It's Sunday and we are still in the Final Four! I cruised through the Cornell lacrosse 2025 thread to recollect how we got there. It's extremely entertaining, especially the yurt discussion.
LGR!!
Tonight's Tewaaraton Award ceremony starts at 6 PM at the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian. Cornell's C.J. Kirst is the overwhelming favorite.
Interestingly, the website says this is The Year of the Cayuga (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/2025-tewaaraton-award-ceremony-presented-by-stifel-tickets-1303271854199)! How fitting!
Quote from: SwampyTonight's Tewaaraton Award ceremony starts at 6 PM at the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian. Cornell's C.J. Kirst is the overwhelming favorite.
Interestingly, the website says this is The Year of the Cayuga (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/2025-tewaaraton-award-ceremony-presented-by-stifel-tickets-1303271854199)! How fitting!
Wait, WHAT?! That's just up the street. Hmmm
tickets are $268 each for GA.
Too bad.
I recently came across this half-hour documentary on the team from last Fall, well worth your time if you're a fan:
"Meet the Most Dynamic Team in D1 Lacrosse"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u7T4zh2prg