I don't know if this story (https://www.ctinsider.com/gametimect/boys-basketball/article/anthony-nimani-platt-cornell-basketball-19423147.php) has a paywall, but there was a nice article about Anthony Nimani, a guard from Connecticut who will play at Cornell next season.
Nimani, a 6-foot-4 guard with a good handle, deep range and the ability to drive, adapted quickly to play in the highest division of the New England Prep School Athletic Conference. Four games in, he put up 31 points against Tabor Academy.
"I want to be able to be a big impact since Day 1 at Cornell and just be able to impact the basketball team, just help them win and see myself grow as a player and a person, too, and hopefully in the future I can play pro basketball."
Quote from: dbilmesI don't know if this story (https://www.ctinsider.com/gametimect/boys-basketball/article/anthony-nimani-platt-cornell-basketball-19423147.php) has a paywall, but there was a nice article about Anthony Nimani, a guard from Connecticut who will play at Cornell next season.
Nimani, a 6-foot-4 guard with a good handle, deep range and the ability to drive, adapted quickly to play in the highest division of the New England Prep School Athletic Conference. Four games in, he put up 31 points against Tabor Academy.
"I want to be able to be a big impact since Day 1 at Cornell and just be able to impact the basketball team, just help them win and see myself grow as a player and a person, too, and hopefully in the future I can play pro basketball."
Thanks!
(no paywall)
This is nice. He sounds like a student. And athlete.
One problem about profiles of good HS/prep players as they pick a college is, you have no idea if he'll barely hang on, be a starter, or be a real star. Let's hope Nimani is the real deal.
AJ Labeau, a 7-foot center from Idaho who redshirted at Washington State as a freshman preferred walk-on is transferring to Cornell. Out of HS he had D1 offers from Idaho State, Air Force, and Army. Always intriguing to get someone of that size on the roster, and perhaps he blossoms into a good Ivy League player. Certainly having more size up front is useful.
Quote from: scoop85AJ Labeau, a 7-foot center from Idaho who redshirted at Washington State as a freshman preferred walk-on is transferring to Cornell. Out of HS he had D1 offers from Idaho State, Air Force, and Army. Always intriguing to get someone of that size on the roster, and perhaps he blossoms into a good Ivy League player. Certainly having more size up front is useful.
High school recruiting page: https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/idaho/boise/timberline-high-school1/aj-labeau
Quote from: scoop85AJ Labeau, a 7-foot center from Idaho who redshirted at Washington State as a freshman preferred walk-on is transferring to Cornell. Out of HS he had D1 offers from Idaho State, Air Force, and Army. Always intriguing to get someone of that size on the roster, and perhaps he blossoms into a good Ivy League player. Certainly having more size up front is useful.
Nice to have some size coming in the front court! If he redshirted at WSU, does he have 4 years or 3 years of eligibility left?
Our last 7-footer, a transfer, helped get us to the Sweet Sixteen and Jeff Foote (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jeff-foote/11694) then made it to the NBA, briefly, in 2014.
One of the all-time best Coach Witticisms is "You can't coach height."
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85AJ Labeau, a 7-foot center from Idaho who redshirted at Washington State as a freshman preferred walk-on is transferring to Cornell. Out of HS he had D1 offers from Idaho State, Air Force, and Army. Always intriguing to get someone of that size on the roster, and perhaps he blossoms into a good Ivy League player. Certainly having more size up front is useful.
Nice to have some size coming in the front court! If he redshirted at WSU, does he have 4 years or 3 years of eligibility left?
He would have 4 years of NCAA eligibility left, but how that translates to Cornell I don't know.
well if he changes majors it would help him not graduate in 4 yrs
Not sure where the two inches to make him a 7 footer went, but he's already listed on the Cornell 24-25 roster as a 6'10" forward. The same 6'10" size as when he was listed on the Washington State U. roster. Regardless, even at 6'10", his size will be an asset for the Big Red.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/aj-labeau/78466
Was told that Brian Earle was hoping to take the graduating seniors with him to W & M. They all got better NIL deals at other schools except for Boothby.
Quote from: rss77Was told that Brian Earle was hoping to take the graduating seniors with him to W & M. They all got better NIL deals at other schools except for Boothby.
Chris Manon - Vanderbilt
Isaiah Gray - Akron
Sean Hansen - George Washington
Evan Williams - Prairie View A&M
Keller Boothby - W&M (as rss said)
Don't see anything for Darius Ervin (his twitter only talks about his teammates in the portal) or Max Watson (who hasn't tweeted since RTing Cornell's welcome tweet) so I figure they're getting on with their non-basketball lives.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: rss77Was told that Brian Earle was hoping to take the graduating seniors with him to W & M. They all got better NIL deals at other schools except for Boothby.
Chris Manon - Vanderbilt
Isaiah Gray - Akron
Sean Hansen - George Washington
Evan Williams - Prairie View A&M
Keller Boothby - W&M (as rss said)
Don't see anything for Darius Ervin (his twitter only talks about his teammates in the portal) or Max Watson (who hasn't tweeted since RTing Cornell's welcome tweet) so I figure they're getting on with their non-basketball lives.
Sorry, but is the original post suggesting these players received significant NIL money from Akron, GW, and Prairie View A&M???
well $5 is more than the zero they are getting at cornell.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: rss77Was told that Brian Earle was hoping to take the graduating seniors with him to W & M. They all got better NIL deals at other schools except for Boothby.
Chris Manon - Vanderbilt
Isaiah Gray - Akron
Sean Hansen - George Washington
Evan Williams - Prairie View A&M
Keller Boothby - W&M (as rss said)
Don't see anything for Darius Ervin (his twitter only talks about his teammates in the portal) or Max Watson (who hasn't tweeted since RTing Cornell's welcome tweet) so I figure they're getting on with their non-basketball lives.
Sorry, but is the original post suggesting these players received significant NIL money from Akron, GW, and Prairie View A&M???
I'd be surprised if Williams was among the seniors Earl was trying to bring to W&M at all tbh.
Akron gave Gray a good chunk of money
Quote from: rss77Akron gave Gray a good chunk of money
GWU is an A10 school with VCU, St. Joe's, LaSalle. You better believe they have an NIL budget, especially compared to the CAA (Stony Brook, Monmouth, Towson, VCU before they got too good for the CAA).
Matt Morgan went off in the summer league for the hornets but it seems like he has signed with a team in Italy. I was hopeful that this would be the year he gets an nba contract but I'm just glad to see him still going strong. He was the only reason the team was at all watchable when he played for Cornell.
As usual it seems we're having trouble getting non con teams to come here, so far the only games I can find are vs Illinois state, at lasalle, at Iona, at Colgate, at Syracuse, and at cal. This totals to one home game out of 5, and I would be shocked if we were only playing one away game in Cali. Also it seems likely that we'll play at least 1 other power 5 team which would undoubtedly be away.
i'm looking at the iona game and trying to make it work. Monday night, though... tough to get out of NYC early enough.
Full Non-Con Schedule 24-25
marywood nov 4
samford nov 8
@la salle nov 12
lafayette nov 16
robert morris nov 21
@iona nov 25
@syracuse nov 27
@colgate dec 4
@army dec 8
@cal berkley dec 10
illinois state dec 22
siena college dec 30
psu schuykill jan 5
Should be an interesting home opener (ignoring marywood, a d3 school) against a tough stamford team that was a 13 seed last year. Classic syracuse game as always, hopefully a return(or improvement on) the competitive play of the 22-23 season's game. colgate should have a a decent student turnout, and games against cal and Illinois state will be interesting as well. Interestingly enough, we round out non-con play against a uscaa school.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Why are we travelling to California during or just before finals?
Quote from: nycredFull Non-Con Schedule 24-25
marywood nov 4
samford nov 8 ...
You slur
Samford and it sounds like Stanford.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: nycredFull Non-Con Schedule 24-25
marywood nov 4
samford nov 8 ...
You slur Samford and it sounds like Stanford.
thanks
Oops didn't notice my typo, guess the stanford bias runs deep
Another Cornell bb recruit, 6'8" G/SF.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/10/02/jax-abalos-batavia-cornell-recruit-high-school-boys-basketball/
Quote from: Ken711Another Cornell bb recruit, 6'8" G/SF.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/10/02/jax-abalos-batavia-cornell-recruit-high-school-boys-basketball/
I'll try to see him play sometime this winter. His school is in the same conference as the high school my daughters attended.
2024-2025 Preseason Poll
1. Princeton – 127 (15)
2. Yale – 108
3. Brown – 92 (1)
4. Cornell – 67
5. Columbia – 58
6. Harvard – 55
7. Penn – 51
8. Dartmouth – 18
Anyone have any thoughts? As much as I hate Brown over us, I can't really complain after their 6 game winning streak to end regular season play+their win over Princeton in the ILT. Losing 3 out of our 5 leading scorers will definitely hurt, but I think Nazir will have a breakout season and make the All-Ivy first team, the juniors will reach new heights, and the sophomores will surprise a lot of people.
That looks like a fair guess to me, though the person who voted for Brown to win may not have heard Nana Owusu-Anane is out for the season. IMHO, that moves the Bears back to the back.
Princeton is the heavy favorite and Yale always makes the ILT. And on the other side, Dartmouth is still a mess. Everyone else is fighting for the last two ILT slots.
Lot of question marks for the good guys, but there is talent and none of the players defected. Don't see us winning the regular season (F'ing Princeton) or finishing last; anything else is possible. One day, Cornell has to win an ILT game, right?
Kenpom Preseason Ivy Rankings
End of last season's ranks in parenthesis
Princeton: 77(69)
Yale: 109(90)
Cornell: 168(103)
Penn: 192(213)
Columbia: 209(232)
Brown: 243(191)
Harvard: 259(228)
Dartmouth: 314(336)
The model seems very displeased with the fact that Brown lost Owusu-Anane. Harvard's drop can probably be attributed to the loss of Malik Mack. Princeton stays about the same. Yale's drop probably comes from the loss of Danny Wolf. Obviously, the biggest drop is for our boys; a 65-place drop is pretty insane. It definitely comes from losing 3 of our 5 top scorers, but I honestly think we're a lot better than the model indicates. Fiegen and Beccles will surprise people, and I wouldn't be surprised if we finished the season at about where we ended it last year, maybe a little worse.
Don't forget Josh Baldwin is coming back too, he was great freshman year.
Quote from: nycredKenpom Preseason Ivy Rankings
End of last season's ranks in parenthesis
Princeton: 77(69)
Yale: 109(90)
Cornell: 168(103)
Penn: 192(213)
Columbia: 209(232)
Brown: 243(191)
Harvard: 259(228)
Dartmouth: 314(336)
The model seems very displeased with the fact that Brown lost Owusu-Anane. Harvard's drop can probably be attributed to the loss of Malik Mack. Princeton stays about the same. Yale's drop probably comes from the loss of Danny Wolf. Obviously, the biggest drop is for our boys; a 65-place drop is pretty insane. It definitely comes from losing 3 of our 5 top scorers, but I honestly think we're a lot better than the model indicates. Fiegen and Beccles will surprise people, and I wouldn't be surprised if we finished the season at about where we ended it last year, maybe a little worse.
I think your assessment is solid. I can see us in the 3-4 range in the league, and competitive with everybody.
The style we bring does lead to some advantages in getting players into better spots to score that would struggle in a slower system.
all of those are good reasons for us to overperform the projection but also for the projection making sense
Didn't we lose the coach, or at least acquire a new one? Wouldn't that have some impact on the rankings? Or is it all talent?
Quote from: Old RedDidn't we lose the coach, or at least acquire a new one? Wouldn't that have some impact on the rankings? Or is it all talent?
A really good point!
That hinges on whether Jacques continues with the Brian Earl offensive scheme or goes his own way. Our team definitely has a lot of talent, but a lot of our success has come from Earl's unique offensive scheme, which relies on lots of substitutions to maintain an extremely fast tempo of play(23rd fastest tempo in the country last season). Curious to see where Jacques goes.
Quote from: nycredThat hinges on whether Jacques continues with the Brian Earl offensive scheme or goes his own way. Our team definitely has a lot of talent, but a lot of our success has come from Earl's unique offensive scheme, which relies on lots of substitutions to maintain an extremely fast tempo of play(23rd fastest tempo in the country last season). Curious to see where Jacques goes.
i'd be surprised if a young first-time head coach departed aggressively from his mentor right off the bat, especially with Earl's recruits.
Opens tonite vs Marywood Pacers
Quote from: CASOpens tonite vs Marywood Pacers
Considering it's not the Indiana Pacers we should see everyone get court time tonight
Some are perhaps thinking: Young alumni coach takes Cornell to greater heights in hockey. Some are thinking young alumni coach well-regarded by the players can't turn the football team around given a decade. And wondering which star Jon Jaques '10 will hitch himself to. Despite Cornell's mixed basketball history over the last century, only three Ivy schools have seen Sweet Sixteen teams since 1975 (when the NCAAs expanded to 32 teams): Penn twice, Princeton and Cornell.
NCAA tournament = 8 teams in 1939, 16 in 1951, 32 in 1975, 64 in 1985, 68 in 2011. Fun fact: Dartmouth played in the NCAA tournaments 1941-44 , played in title games in 1942 (lost) and 1944 (lost in OT). Last NCAA appearance: 1959.
https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/3/23/mens-basketball-ivies-in-the-sweet-16.aspx
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-01-09/when-did-march-madness-expand-68-teams
All I'm looking for today is who is healthy and if we're still using the fast paced earl system.
Well we're still running the press but naz williams is in street clothes. No casts or visible limp or anything so hopefully they're just holding him out of the D III game as a precaution.
Ivies poised to go 7-1 on the day. Harvard thrashed Marist led by 27 points from Robert Hinton, brother of our Adam Hinton. It's pretty early but that's looking like a pretty big recruiting loss to another Ivy when we had the advantage of his brother on our team already.
He's hurt, but it's not too serious from what I've heard should be back soon
tough game 2.
Samford was pretty solid last yr
The betting line has Samford giving 2.5. The game should be a good challenge for the Big Red.
Seats available.
I don't love the super-fast style of basketball. I'd like to see more half court work to get high percentage shots. Right there a player drove from the baseline and a teammate didn't bother to seal the help.
We are completely dependent on the three-point shot. If we hit them, we are ahead. But we aren't hitting them so far tonight.
What happened to the transfer from Washington State, AJ LaBeau? Is he injured?
On the bench
Gutsy win against a good Samford team
Black jerseys? Am I officially old if I say absolutely not?
Quote from: CU2007Black jerseys? Am I officially old if I say absolutely not?
yes
Quote from: CU2007Black jerseys? Am I officially old if I say absolutely not?
wow. can't wait for the highlights. big halftime lead but we lost it and it came down to a buzzer-beater 3 from Fiegen to win by two.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: CU2007Black jerseys? Am I officially old if I say absolutely not?
wow. can't wait for the highlights. big halftime lead but we lost it and it came down to a buzzer-beater 3 from Fiegen to win by two.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2024/11/8/mens-basketball-fiegens-buzzer-beater-lifts-mens-hoops-past-samford-in-thriller-88-86.aspx
Amazing game over a really good team. It's always odd to me that we play a fast paced, three point heavy offense that would seem to have highly variable success yet we win almost every non conference game against non power 5 opponents and lose every non con game against power 5 opponents. On to La Salle Tuesday.
Quote from: chimpfoodAmazing game over a really good team. It's always odd to me that we play a fast paced, three point heavy offense that would seem to have highly variable success yet we win almost every non conference game against non power 5 opponents and lose every non con game against power 5 opponents. On to La Salle Tuesday.
You would expect more variance, wouldn't you? But since Cornell adopted this style -- and Jon seems intent on keeping it -- the only non-conference loss to a non Power 5 team was at George Mason (who was pretty good). It may help that the three point shooting is a team wide skill, so while one or two guys may be off, it is unlikely the whole team will be.
Tomorrow will be a test. LaSalle has two wins against two teams that are projected to be top half of the Patriot League, but IMHO not as good as Cornell. It's early days, but Fiegen sure looks like a keeper.
what is going on bruh hit your shots
Quote from: nycredwhat is going on bruh hit your shots
If you're going to run a quick shooting, three-point heavy offense, you have to hit the three-pointers.
With 5 minutes left, we are 4 for 24 shooting on three pointers, or 16.67%.
Shooting below 20 percent from three is ridiculous considering our whole offense is based off of high pace play that generates open 3's. Even last game, our shooting took a nose dive in the second half (2-14!!!!) which almost cost us the game if not for the game winner from Fiegan. Besides the abysmal shooting, the team constantly gives up lazy turnovers and looks uncoordinated on offense.
Quote from: superopiumgoonShooting below 20 percent from three is ridiculous considering our whole offense is based off of high pace play that generates open 3's. Even last game, our shooting took a nose dive in the second half (2-14!!!!) which almost cost us the game if not for the game winner from Fiegan. Besides the abysmal shooting, the team constantly gives up lazy turnovers and looks uncoordinated on offense.
I'm most annoyed by the lazy turnovers.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: superopiumgoonShooting below 20 percent from three is ridiculous considering our whole offense is based off of high pace play that generates open 3's. Even last game, our shooting took a nose dive in the second half (2-14!!!!) which almost cost us the game if not for the game winner from Fiegan. Besides the abysmal shooting, the team constantly gives up lazy turnovers and looks uncoordinated on offense.
I'm most annoyed by the lazy turnovers.
I'm annoyed by the poor man-to-man defense. We're just not moving our feet to stay in front of our guys, and we're losing track of players who get open for good looks or layups. And that poor defense leads to all the reach in fouls.
This game was kind of a slog to watch.
Yep that was gross, nothing really matters until Ivy League games though I guess.
fair
Hard to imagine the guys actually had a 35-34 lead 15 minutes in, considering what the second half felt like.
No question, last night's defense won't win many games. But there is a month and a half to improve and see where we are when league play begins.
Next several games are all winnable.
Quote from: mountainredHard to imagine the guys actually had a 35-34 lead 15 minutes in, considering what the second half felt like.
No question, last night's defense won't win many games. But there is a month and a half to improve and see where we are when league play begins.
Next several games are all winnable.
Given the way the second half went, the following probably is an overstatement, but I thought the sloppy possession at the end of the first half was a killer. With the ball and the chance to go into the locker room down 4 (or 3) and instead you go in down 8 and LaSalle starts the second half with the ball. I don't remember if Naz was on the court, but to me the ball should have been in his hands there.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: mountainredHard to imagine the guys actually had a 35-34 lead 15 minutes in, considering what the second half felt like.
No question, last night's defense won't win many games. But there is a month and a half to improve and see where we are when league play begins.
Next several games are all winnable.
Given the way the second half went, the following probably is an overstatement, but I thought the sloppy possession at the end of the first half was a killer. With the ball and the chance to go into the locker room down 4 (or 3) and instead you go in down 8 and LaSalle starts the second half with the ball. I don't remember if Naz was on the court, but to me the ball should have been in his hands there.
Yeah, that was the turning point of the game. TBH Naz didn't have his best game last night, and we'll need him to step up. I do like what I see early from Beccles, and think he's going to develop into an All-Ivy guard before he's done.
Too many turnovers, and as other's have stated the 3pt shooting as cold as ice.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: mountainredHard to imagine the guys actually had a 35-34 lead 15 minutes in, considering what the second half felt like.
No question, last night's defense won't win many games. But there is a month and a half to improve and see where we are when league play begins.
Next several games are all winnable.
Given the way the second half went, the following probably is an overstatement, but I thought the sloppy possession at the end of the first half was a killer. With the ball and the chance to go into the locker room down 4 (or 3) and instead you go in down 8 and LaSalle starts the second half with the ball. I don't remember if Naz was on the court, but to me the ball should have been in his hands there.
Yeah, that was the turning point of the game. TBH Naz didn't have his best game last night, and we'll need him to step up. I do like what I see early from Beccles, and think he's going to develop into an All-Ivy guard before he's done.
Nazir hasn't been at this best so far this season, but he started slow last year too and by the end was his usual self. I think minor injuries were a role last year and this.
Beccles has been earning more minutes and we could use his skill set on the floor.
Cornell's play is sloppy but Lafayette isn't very good so with 6 minutes left Cornell is up 64-58.
Quote from: ugarteCornell's play is sloppy but Lafayette isn't very good so with 6 minutes left Cornell is up 64-58.
Tight game at the end. 68-65 Cornell with 3:50 left.
Seems odd to schedule basketball and football at the same time on the same campus.
Some good three-point shooting at the end. Cornell had height and shooting advantage.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteCornell's play is sloppy but Lafayette isn't very good so with 6 minutes left Cornell is up 64-58.
Tight game at the end. 68-65 Cornell with 3:50 left.
Cornell pulls away late to win 81-71. It shouldn't have been that close but Lafayette seemed to hit all of their shots with under 2 seconds on the shot clock. Our defense looked good and we had a lot of flashes. Ragland in particular looked very poised.
They haven't really impressed me this year but we'll probably do our usual 10-2 out of conference and then get the four seed in the Ivy and fall in the first round of the tourney. But as long as we get into the Ivy tourney anything can happen so we just have to get there
whoops
Nice win on Saturday for men's basketball! Why was the game played at noon though during the football game? For many alums who visit Ithaca, it's nice to attend the football game in the afternoon and then basketball or hockey game in the evening. Many of our alums drive several hours to Ithaca for home games and some may want to watch both games, meaning not playing at the same time. Noon is an odd time for a college or even high school basketball game?
Quote from: chimpfoodThey haven't really impressed me this year but we'll probably do our usual 10-2 out of conference and then get the four seed in the Ivy and fall in the first round of the tourney. But as long as we get into the Ivy tourney anything can happen so we just have to get there
kenpom has us in the top 20 for luck, which is dragging down our rating. columbia has a dreadful SOS (despite the win over villanova), which is dragging down their rating. yale is ranked the second unluckiest team in the country, which is why they're still ahead of Columbia.
Current kenpom ivy "standings":
87 Princeton
103 Yale
157 Columbia
172 Cornell
248 Brown
262 Penn
277 Harvard
349 Dartmouth
This half against Robert Morris is the worst I can remember them playing in a long time, maybe even pre-Covid.
Would hate to lose to a team called the Colonials.
They are a step quicker-it shows on offense and defense. Best way to combat a team like Robert Morris is to hit 3s-just not falling.
It is hard to win when you give up 17 offensive rebounds. BobbyMo kept extending possessions which killed off any comeback effort.
The defense has to get better, and preventing second chance points would be a great place to start.
Roll call @Iona? Just bought tickets in GA.
Football, Basketball, and Hockey all local in the same week.
Quote from: Greenberg '97Roll call @Iona? Just bought tickets in GA.
Football, Basketball, and Hockey all local in the same week.
Thought about it but then realized it meant driving to New Rochelle during rush hour and immediately purged the thought.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Greenberg '97Roll call @Iona? Just bought tickets in GA.
Football, Basketball, and Hockey all local in the same week.
Thought about it but then realized it meant driving to New Rochelle during rush hour and immediately purged the thought.
I was going to drive to New Rochelle during rush hour either way. Might as well see the Big Red if they're going to playing within walking distance of my house.
Should be a good game today, Iona is 1-4 but they're still a solid team, only lost to Princeton by one.
I was disappointed to see that RMU was lower than us in KenPom. Iona is ranked around where RMU is. Columbia, at 7-0, still getting no respect from the computers.
Quote from: ugarteI was disappointed to see that RMU was lower than us in KenPom. Iona is ranked around where RMU is. Columbia, at 7-0, still getting no respect from the computers.
So far so good... Cornell up 8 with 3 minutes in the first half. Ball movement is good on offense and positioning is really solid on defense.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteI was disappointed to see that RMU was lower than us in KenPom. Iona is ranked around where RMU is. Columbia, at 7-0, still getting no respect from the computers.
So far so good... Cornell up 8 with 3 minutes in the first half. Ball movement is good on offense and positioning is really solid on defense.
Cornell was up a much as 20 in the second half but with 5:25 left Iona has cut it to 11... but Feigen just hit a 3. Huge relief but Cornell's defense is falling apart.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteI was disappointed to see that RMU was lower than us in KenPom. Iona is ranked around where RMU is. Columbia, at 7-0, still getting no respect from the computers.
So far so good... Cornell up 8 with 3 minutes in the first half. Ball movement is good on offense and positioning is really solid on defense.
Cornell was up a much as 20 in the second half but with 5:25 left Iona has cut it to 11... but Feigen just hit a 3. Huge relief but Cornell's defense is falling apart.
Good guys win by 16 (84-68). Not to be Eeyore, but the Big Red's issues were on full display: 19 turnovers, 13 offensive rebounds given up (felt like more). But Cornell has much better shooters and that is important.
Hope this shot chat (https://ionagaels.com/sidearmstats/mbball/shot-chart) shows up, but you can tell Coach Jacques is a firm believer in new age basketball in that you shoot at the rim or behind the arc. For the game, Cornell took two shots that were neither. A hook by Ryan in the key and Nazier's 10 footer at the very, very end when both teams had stopped playing.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteI was disappointed to see that RMU was lower than us in KenPom. Iona is ranked around where RMU is. Columbia, at 7-0, still getting no respect from the computers.
So far so good... Cornell up 8 with 3 minutes in the first half. Ball movement is good on offense and positioning is really solid on defense.
Cornell was up a much as 20 in the second half but with 5:25 left Iona has cut it to 11... but Feigen just hit a 3. Huge relief but Cornell's defense is falling apart.
Good guys win by 16 (84-68). Not to be Eeyore, but the Big Red's issues were on full display: 19 turnovers, 13 offensive rebounds given up (felt like more). But Cornell has much better shooters and that is important.
Somehow we won the rebound battle by 2, but being finally able to hit some shots made all the difference. Our style will always result in turnovers, but what is baffling is how many turnovers are the result of lazy passes. But kudos to the team for coasting to a 16-point win on the road vs. a team that lost by 1 to Princeton. Great bounce back after the poor game vs Robert Morris.
Now let's hope the Syracuse team that struggled with Youngstown State is the one that shows up Wednesday night and that we finally end the streak.
Quote from: Mr. NissNow let's hope the Syracuse team that struggled with Youngstown State is the one that shows up Wednesday night and that we finally end the streak.
they struggled against LeMoyne(!) and Colgate too, before close road losses against Texas and Texas Tech. A friend who is a Syracuse fan said they stink this year so fingers crossed.
It's a beautiful day to end a 43 game losing streak dating back to the sixties. I thought last year was our chance but Syracuse looks even weaker this time around, a good shooting day and I think we have them. Let's go red!
Quote from: chimpfoodIt's a beautiful day to end a 43 game losing streak dating back to the sixties. I thought last year was our chance but Syracuse looks even weaker this time around, a good shooting day and I think we have them. Let's go red!
Still mad we lost with the Sweet 16 team.
We were up the dreaded 10-2. The rest was obvious.
Getting railed by the refs and missing shots. Seemed like we were just lucky at first that Syracuse wasn't hitting anything.
If only Okereke could finish at the rim.
30% 3 pt shooting.
Looked like a goal tend to me.
This was a winnable game.
SU took Fiegin out of the game and yes a little better 3 point shooting would have helped. Found former SU player Devendorf's commentary annoying.
Jesus, 44 in a row. Too many fouls, turnovers, and o rebounds allowed for them. Oh well, it just makes it sweeter when we beat them next year.
We had a real chance to be up by 16 or so when SU couldn't hit a shot early, but then we went ice cold and the game flipped. Nice effort to get close in the 2nd, but not enough to get over the hump. Someday maybe we can pull it off up there...
Quote from: chimpfoodJesus, 44 in a row. Too many fouls, turnovers, and o rebounds allowed for them. Oh well, it just makes it sweeter when we beat them next year.
Been saying this since '84, when we played them great. Hasn't worked out so well for me. Yet.
Quote from: chimpfoodJesus, 44 in a row. Too many fouls, turnovers, and o rebounds allowed for them. Oh well, it just makes it sweeter when we beat them next year.
This is The Way. -- A Mariners fan.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodJesus, 44 in a row. Too many fouls, turnovers, and o rebounds allowed for them. Oh well, it just makes it sweeter when we beat them next year.
This is The Way. -- A Mariners fan.
Yup. One more cross to bear and all that.
New Cornell BB recruit.
https://www.brophyprep.org/news-detail?pk=1356648
Quote from: Ken711New Cornell BB recruit.
https://www.brophyprep.org/news-detail?pk=1356648
The article doesn't say how tall he is.
Quote from: Ken711New Cornell BB recruit.
https://www.brophyprep.org/news-detail?pk=1356648
6'3 SG. Chose Cornell over Dartmouth, Manhattan and Northern Illinois among others.
The boys play Colgate right now if anyone is watching. Extremely sloppy start from the Raiders. ESPN had them as slight favorites but I'm not worried. Williams looking good so far with 8 points already, 21-12 Cornell with 13:20 left in the first
Hot start, especially for coop.
Very nice job today but a lot of it is probably due to luck on the three ball. Fiegen probably isn't the scorer that I thought he could be after the first couple games but it seems like we have plenty of guys who can make shots. Colgate is pretty bad this year but I would still put my money on them to win the patriot league.
The crazy thing is that they played Syracuse great ... not that Syracuse is any good, but Colgate really should have won that game. And we're beating them by 25 ... same story as the last year or two, if I remember correctly.
When you shoot 60% and 50% from 3 things become much easier.
SU is also playing much better now.
Quote from: Mr. NissThe crazy thing is that they played Syracuse great ... not that Syracuse is any good, but Colgate really should have won that game. And we're beating them by 25 ... same story as the last year or two, if I remember correctly.
It really has to be mental against cuse at this point. I genuinely think we've been the better team for three years straight now and yet we have a 44 game L streak
Quote from: upprdeckWhen you shoot 60% and 50% from 3 things become much easier.
SU is also playing much better now.
Football, yes...roundball, no. Cornell is their only win in their last 4. Lost their top player to an injury and just got a beating from Tennessee.
Su had a shot to take the lead vs Texas and TT under 4 to go.
They are a very flawed team for sure
They were at Tenn and only trailed at the half because they have games where FT shooting becomes a nightmare. That second half was ugly.
Still they are playing better now than thru the first 4 games
They may really struggle after losing Starling. But they may also get their best player back after 2 yrs if rumors are true.
The three loses are to teams in the top 20 in metrics like BPI.
ND - Gtown - Maryland before the New Year will define the season I suspect. If they go 1-2 vs them it will be a long yr.
Colgate is a young team and they lost their top freshman from last year's team to the portal. Langel is an excellent coach and besides the showing against SU they beat a good UNC Wilmington team on UNCW's home floor.
Up by 17 at half against Army, to whom KenPom projected we'd lose a close on -- my faith is being restored.
I was thinking the other day too that, so far, I'm impressed by Jon as head coach. In particular, they don't seem to press as frequently, and my feeling was that their press was easily beaten way too frequently post-Covid. I was at a home game against Yale a couple of years ago where they came back from another zip code to win, and the turnaround started when they stopped pressing.
Another nice shooting day so I won't let it get my hopes too high but we're looking really good.
We can't miss this is ridiculous to watch.
I think we have made 9 threes in a row. The kempom luck metric is gonna hate this lol.
Quote from: chimpfoodWe can't miss this is ridiculous to watch.
I've never seen anything like it. We are 60.7% from three at 96-68 (the 8 minute break). You could have the #1 three-point shooting team in the country playing this game against Army and they aren't shooting 61%.
Edit: make it 63% (19 of 30).
Missed the last five to finish 19-35 (54%). But still.
The last two wins have caused the KenPom rank to jump 50 places. Which is nuts.
Maybe we should move to the patriot league
Too late to replay the Kentucky game?
Uo next, tomorrow iirc, is a road game against Cal.* Close to us in KenPom.
* You know, from the ACC lol
of course after shooting the lights out against Army, we're one for our first 34 from three tonight
A possession where *we* had multiple offensive rebounds? WOW
Cal already has 13 turnovers to our six
What a great first half. I did not have Cornell up by 18 at half on my "to do" list tonight. Great to see that we were the better defensive team and we were the better rebounding team. They really made Cal look silly. Even with not great three-point shooting, they have an 18-point halftime lead. I don't think Cal is very good, but their losses are all to decent big conference teams and they beat USC. That was a good half. Hopefully they don't lose the second half by more than 17.
Lead down to 8, Jacques cannot be putting a lineup of okereke, Kiachan, nimani, nix, and beccles out there when the lead is already slipping
Quote from: chimpfoodLead down to 8, Jacques cannot be putting a lineup of okereke, Kiachan, nimani, nix, and beccles out there when the lead is already slipping
You must have heard me yelling at the TV. Unlike Brian, who seemed to wait for the end of a four-minute block, Jon flipped the lineup when he should have (I thought).
On one hand, Guy seems like a much better player this year. On the other hand, he can be frustratingly cavalier with the ball, both passing and taking some ridiculous shots.
And now, we can't rebound and Cal is making their shots. Suboptimal combination.
This might be a good time for guys on our team who are not the best shooters not to hoist crappy threes with 25 left on the shot clock.
They're getting all the bounces and we're getting none right now, need to stop playing like we're trying to hold a lead and play like we're trying to get our first power 5 win in god knows how long.
He needs to get 3 out of the game. Two missed FTs and then an ole on defense, not good.
[looks like he made that move a I was typing this]
and all of a sudden we cannot get a rebound
As great a first half as we played. this has been a worse second half. Stunning.
Ivy League teams cannot beat teams in power conferences if they can't make free throws -- especially down the stretch.
Big men should be shooting free throws all break long.
HOLY SHIT WERE GONNA DO IT
Because I've had my heart foolishly broken rooting for underdogs too many times, I did not have this finish on my late night bingo card. Very impressive, assuming they hold on of course.
And then a great combo of a missed FT and a foul. Nothing is easy.
I'm not crying, you're crying
I'm way too into Cornell Basketball.
Wow what a win, I certainly would've preferred that we hold the lead the whole time but that was a gritty game at the end. First ACC win since the 50s is ridiculous, what a milestone. Even if Ivy play is a complete dud (I don't think it will be) we have some good memories from this season in this game and vs Samford.
Incredible win. Watched us blow a 21 point lead and then take over down the stretch for the W. And on the road? Amazing.
Still funny that our first ACC win since 1951 is against... Cal?
I wonder if this was the road game for senior Ryan Kachian. He got 17 minutes, which is his season high, and Berkeley is about an hour from his hometown.
We also played Iona and Army, which are driving distance from our other seniors, Nazir Williams (Nyack), Guy Ragland Jr. (West Hartford) and Chris Cain (Middletown, NY). Nothing in Utah for the JuCo transfer Hayden Franson, whose name I do not recognize, and who plays in the D-III games, though tbh a two-hour flight to the Bay Area isn't terrible, relatively speaking.
Why are we playing 2500 miles from home during finals?
Brown looks scary. They lost 2 big men from last year-one to season ending injury and the other to the portal. Thought they were toast but they are on a winning streak
and took down previously undefeated URI in double overtime.
Quote from: arugulaWhy are we playing 2500 miles from home during finals?
with all due respect... shut up
because finals are next week?
Quote from: rss77Brown looks scary. They lost 2 big men from last year-one to season ending injury and the other to the portal. Thought they were toast but they are on a winning streak
and took down previously undefeated URI in double overtime.
Hosting the Ivy tourney too. I would guess it'll be us, Yale, them and Princeton and I could see that going to anyone.
Quote from: ugarteIncredible win. Watched us blow a 21 point lead and then take over down the stretch for the W. And on the road? Amazing.
Still funny that our first ACC win since 1951 is against... Cal?
I only watched the 1st half live, but knew there would certainly be agita before the game was over. Had you told me that Cal would come all the way back and take the lead, I'd say no way we'd get the W, as we've seen similar scenarios over the years at 'Cuse that ended up with a disappointing loss. Thankfully the guys showed some mettle and pulled this one out.
We have more depth of scoring than any of our teams since the 2008-2010 glory years. Any of our starters are real threats; Williams, after a bumpy start, has really found his game. Ragland is playing the best ball of his career, and Noard and Fiegen are really coming into their own. And, how about Okereke?! Shocking that a guy with his size and skill set apparently wasn't recruited by D1 programs. If he continues his level of play, he'll be All-Ivy this year.
I had some doubts about this team early on, especially after the inexplicable loss to Robert Morris. And they still sometimes are a bit too casual with protecting the ball, leading to some maddeningly unnecessary turnovers. But that issue aside, they seem to be gelling, and Jaques is finding his footing as a head coach. The Ivies seem pretty wide open this year, and I think we have as good a chance to win it as the other likely contenders, which to me would include Yale, Princeton, Brown, and Columbia.
Quote from: upprdeckbecause finals are next week?
Incorrect. Currently study days. Finals begin Friday. As a parent of a current student I sure as as shit wouldn't want my kid focused on basketball right now. Doesn't send the right message that this an academic institution first.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaWhy are we playing 2500 miles from home during finals?
with all due respect... shut up
Very mature.
It's not like they can't study on the road, it would be an unreasonably long break for a basketball season if they were off starting last weekend
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaWhy are we playing 2500 miles from home during finals?
with all due respect... shut up
Very mature.
Within hours of the team's biggst win since Wisconsin in 2010 and you're pearl-clutching about finals? Tell me who the mature one is, keeping in mind that I don't care about your sense of maturity at all.
Also keep in mind that I am guessing but reasonably sure (based on recent practices) that Cal was scheduled as a friends-and-family road game for a graduating senior. So I repeat my opening request.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: upprdeckbecause finals are next week?
Incorrect. Currently study days. Finals begin Friday. As a parent of a current student I sure as as shit wouldn't want my kid focused on basketball right now. Doesn't send the right message that this an academic institution first.
As a retired Cornell professor, I can tell you that the student athletes who deal with competition before finals are perfectly capable of handling the situation. It is actually better than a mid-week game during the semester when your contest might actually fall on a day when you have a couple of exams or 3 papers due. At least now they are not juggling class attendance along with games and exams.
Student athletes also know weeks in advance when their exams and final papers/projects will be due. For the most part, they are organized and disciplined -- probably more so than the average student who does not play a sport -- so balancing their academic and athletic commitments is part of what they sign up for when they decide to play in the Ivy League.
We all admire the athletic prowess of these kids but unless you were a student athlete, a parent or someone who works closely with them in an academic setting it is really hard to appreciate what they are able to achieve. I don't know if they still hold the 400 Club breakfasts, but to be in a room celebrating with the student athletes who achieved a 4.0 average, was a highlight. And it involved dozens of students each semester, not just a handful. Plus students who managed to do it multiple terms at Cornell.
Quote from: chimpfoodIt's not like they can't study on the road, it would be an unreasonably long break for a basketball season if they were off starting last weekend
As opposed to the hockey team?
Quote from: dag14Quote from: arugulaQuote from: upprdeckbecause finals are next week?
Incorrect. Currently study days. Finals begin Friday. As a parent of a current student I sure as as shit wouldn't want my kid focused on basketball right now. Doesn't send the right message that this an academic institution first.
As a retired Cornell professor, I can tell you that the student athletes who deal with competition before finals are perfectly capable of handling the situation. It is actually better than a mid-week game during the semester when your contest might actually fall on a day when you have a couple of exams or 3 papers due. At least now they are not juggling class attendance along with games and exams.
Student athletes also know weeks in advance when their exams and final papers/projects will be due. For the most part, they are organized and disciplined -- probably more so than the average student who does not play a sport -- so balancing their academic and athletic commitments is part of what they sign up for when they decide to play in the Ivy League.
We all admire the athletic prowess of these kids but unless you were a student athlete, a parent or someone who works closely with them in an academic setting it is really hard to appreciate what they are able to achieve. I don't know if they still hold the 400 Club breakfasts, but to be in a room celebrating with the student athletes who achieved a 4.0 average, was a highlight. And it involved dozens of students each semester, not just a handful. Plus students who managed to do it multiple terms at Cornell.
Understood. But California? Why not in late December or early January. One of the great things about Ivy hockey and basketball is the majority of games are on weekends and bus trips away.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: chimpfoodIt's not like they can't study on the road, it would be an unreasonably long break for a basketball season if they were off starting last weekend
As opposed to the hockey team?
Yes most basketball teams have no real break at all while almost every hockey team does.
It was a tues game. Finals start friday and into next week. They are home today.
They didn't miss class, They had study week. They had hours of downtime in the travel as well.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaWhy are we playing 2500 miles from home during finals?
with all due respect... shut up
Very mature.
Within hours of the team's biggst win since Wisconsin in 2010 and you're pearl-clutching about finals? Tell me who the mature one is, keeping in mind that I don't care about your sense of maturity at all.
Also keep in mind that I am guessing but reasonably sure (based on recent practices) that Cal was scheduled as a friends-and-family road game for a graduating senior. So I repeat my opening request.
Can we agree that telling someone to shut up when you disagree is not the most mature response?
Can we also agree that school is more important than sports? Shouldn't be a controversial opinion.
Not pearl clutching. Sorry to offend.
Quick search and I think the last time we beat:
Patriot: @Army 12/8/2024
MAAC: @Iona 11/25/2024
SoCon: Samford 11/8/2024
Horizon: @Robert Morris 12/22/2023
CAA: Monmouth 11/29/2023
WAC: Utah Valley 11/20/2023 (Neutral site)
Big West: Cal State-Fullerton 11/19/2023 (Neutral site)
A10: @Fordham 11/11/2023
America East: Binghamton 12/29/2022
NEC: @St. Francis(PA) 11/14/2022
MEAC: Coppin State 12/3/2021
Big South: Longwood 12/17/2018
MAC: Toledo 11/24/2017
OVC: SE Missouri State 12/23/2016 (Neutral site)
Big 10: Wisconsin 3/21/2010 (NCAA R32)
Great West (RIP): @South Dakota 1/8/2010
Big East: St. John's 12/21/2009 (ECAC Holiday Tournament finals at MSG)
SEC: @Alabama 11/14/2009 (friends-and-family game for Louis Dale)
Big Sky: Eastern Washington 12/3/1994 (Neutral site)
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 12/29/1993 (Neutral site)
Pac 12 (RIP-ish): Cal 12/30/1992 (Seton Hall / Meadowlands consolation game, over Jason Kidd)
WCC: Portland 12/30/83 (thx mountainred!)
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Big XII: Last game I could find was a loss at #1 Kansas 1/4/2010 and goddamn we almost had this one
Our next game is against MVC's Illinois State. Conference realignment makes all of this tricky but feel free to go back further than 1989-90, add conferences (including historical conferences like SWC), search for specific opponents (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history) or check my work.
I should probably get back to work.
Quote from: ugarteQuick search and I think the last time we beat:
Patriot: @Army 12/8/2024
MAAC: @Iona 11/25/2024
SoCon: Samford 11/8/2024
Horizon: @Robert Morris 12/22/2023
CAA: Monmouth 11/29/2023
WAC: Utah Valley 11/20/2023 (Neutral site)
Big West: Cal State-Fullerton 11/19/2023 (Neutral site)
A10: @Fordham 11/11/2023
America East: Binghamton 12/29/2022
NEC: @St. Francis(PA) 11/14/2022
MEAC: Coppin State 12/3/2021
Big South: Longwood 12/17/2018
MAC: Toledo 11/24/2017
OVC: SE Missouri State 12/23/2016 (Neutral site)
Big 10: Wisconsin 3/21/2010 (NCAA R32)
Great West (RIP): @South Dakota 1/8/2010
Big East: St. John's 12/21/2009 (ECAC Holiday Tournament finals at MSG)
SEC: @Alabama 11/14/2009 (friends-and-family game for Louis Dale)
Big Sky: Eastern Washington 12/3/1994 (Neutral site)
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 12/29/1993 (Neutral site)
Pac 12 (RIP-ish): Cal 12/30/1992 (Seton Hall /Meadowlands consolation game, over Jason Kidd)
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Big XII: Last game I could find was a loss at #1 Kansas 1/4/2010 and goddamn we almost had this one
WCC: Last game I could find was a loss at U. of the Pacific 12/3/1988
Our next game is against MVC's Illinois State. Conference realignment makes all of this tricky but feel free to go back further than 1989-90, add conferences (including historical conferences like SWC), search for specific opponents (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history) or check my work.
I should probably get back to work.
Impressive research! We need to schedule more games against the Sun Belt and Big Sky so we can end those droughts.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: ugarteQuick search and I think the last time we beat:
Patriot: @Army 12/8/2024
MAAC: @Iona 11/25/2024
SoCon: Samford 11/8/2024
Horizon: @Robert Morris 12/22/2023
CAA: Monmouth 11/29/2023
WAC: Utah Valley 11/20/2023 (Neutral site)
Big West: Cal State-Fullerton 11/19/2023 (Neutral site)
A10: @Fordham 11/11/2023
America East: Binghamton 12/29/2022
NEC: @St. Francis(PA) 11/14/2022
MEAC: Coppin State 12/3/2021
Big South: Longwood 12/17/2018
MAC: Toledo 11/24/2017
OVC: SE Missouri State 12/23/2016 (Neutral site)
Big 10: Wisconsin 3/21/2010 (NCAA R32)
Great West (RIP): @South Dakota 1/8/2010
Big East: St. John's 12/21/2009 (ECAC Holiday Tournament finals at MSG)
SEC: @Alabama 11/14/2009 (friends-and-family game for Louis Dale)
Big Sky: Eastern Washington 12/3/1994 (Neutral site)
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 12/29/1993 (Neutral site)
Pac 12 (RIP-ish): Cal 12/30/1992 (Seton Hall /Meadowlands consolation game, over Jason Kidd)
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Big XII: Last game I could find was a loss at #1 Kansas 1/4/2010 and goddamn we almost had this one
WCC: Last game I could find was a loss at U. of the Pacific 12/3/1988
Our next game is against MVC's Illinois State. Conference realignment makes all of this tricky but feel free to go back further than 1989-90, add conferences (including historical conferences like SWC), search for specific opponents (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history) or check my work.
I should probably get back to work.
Impressive research! We need to schedule more games against the Sun Belt and Big Sky so we can end those droughts.
Kudos for the research! For the WCC, the good guys beat U Portland at their place in 1983. I think it was the 5th place game of the Far Wets Classic.
Quote from: ugarteStill funny that our first ACC win since 1951 is against... Cal?
Makes me wonder:
- When was our last win over a Pac10 team?
- When was Cal's last win over an ACC team?
Quote from: ugartePatriot: @Army 12/8/2024
MAAC: @Iona 11/25/2024
SoCon: Samford 11/8/2024
Horizon: @Robert Morris 12/22/2023
CAA: Monmouth 11/29/2023
WAC: Utah Valley 11/20/2023 (Neutral site)
Big West: Cal State-Fullerton 11/19/2023 (Neutral site)
A10: @Fordham 11/11/2023
America East: Binghamton 12/29/2022
NEC: @St. Francis(PA) 11/14/2022
MEAC: Coppin State 12/3/2021
Big South: Longwood 12/17/2018
MAC: Toledo 11/24/2017
OVC: SE Missouri State 12/23/2016 (Neutral site)
Big 10: Wisconsin 3/21/2010 (NCAA R32)
Great West (RIP): @South Dakota 1/8/2010
Big East: St. John's 12/21/2009 (ECAC Holiday Tournament finals at MSG)
SEC: @Alabama 11/14/2009 (friends-and-family game for Louis Dale)
Big Sky: Eastern Washington 12/3/1994 (Neutral site)
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 12/29/1993 (Neutral site)
Pac 12 (RIP-ish): Cal 12/30/1992 (Seton Hall / Meadowlands consolation game, over Jason Kidd)
WCC: Portland 12/30/83 (thx mountainred!)
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Big XII: Last game I could find was a loss at #1 Kansas 1/4/2010 and goddamn we almost had this one
Our next game is against MVC's Illinois State. Conference realignment makes all of this tricky but feel free to go back further than 1989-90, add conferences (including historical conferences like SWC), search for specific opponents (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history) or check my work.
I should probably get back to work.
Thanks. Very interesting.
But before you get back to work, it would be helpful to also know the last time we played a team in that league.
If we play an ACC team every year, the 73-year drought is much more depressing than if we last played an ACC team in 1951.
Quote from: SwampyThanks. Very interesting.
But before you get back to work, it would be helpful to also know the last time we played a team in that league.
If we play an ACC team every year, the 73-year drought is much more depressing than if we last played an ACC team in 1951.
It's not often but in scrolling back through our schedules, we played (off the top of my head), UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, GTx2, Pitt and, of course, we do play Syracuse every year and they've been ACC for a while now.
Quote from: Swampy- When was our last win over a Pac10 team?
It's on the list! And it was also Cal!
I'm not looking up anything about Cal. Not my problem!
Double post
For those who haven't paid a lot of attention to the rest of the Ivies, here is a quick rundown, using KenPom (records as of 12/20):
1) Yale (5-5) -- The computers' Ivy favorite. The Elis are doing what they normally do; the play efficiently, shoot and rebound well and don't turn the ball over. So far on the season they haven't done anything spectacular. They have two competitive losses at Big 10 teams, but their best win is Vermont, I guess. James Jones always gets Yale into the ILT and I will pencil them in until they are mathematically eliminated. Just be happy Danny Wolf headed to Michigan (at least for Cornell's chances of winning the league) because he has looked great as a Wolverine.
2) Princeton (8-4) -- Still my pick to win the regular season, but not the juggernaut they could have been. At least so far. The Tigers still return two Ivy first-teamers and last year' POY in Pierce and Lee. And they were good enough to win at St. Joes. Just can't imagine them missing the ILT.
3) Cornell (7-3) -- Tons of credit to Jon Jacques for what has been a smooth transition. If you believe Bart Torvik, the Red have been the second best team in the league. Winning at Cal was huge and the Samford win is looking better and better (they have lost to Michigan State, Arizona and us). Other than the Bobby Mo debacle, Cornell has been playing like an Ivy favorite should and Nazir still hasn't gotten untracked. Maybe this is the year they win a game in ILT?
4) Columbia (10-1) -- Look, the 'Nova win was huge, League's best so far, but the rest of their schedule has been soft, soft, soft. Are they contenders or is this a mirage? Either way, De La Rosa is a stud and has been playing peak hoops this year. He's hitting 51% of his threes and is an early favorite for POY. The other starters are juniors, so the Lions are experienced. Columbia faded late last year, but my guess is that while they aren't as good as 10-1 implies, they are good and will be fighting to finally make the ILT.
5) Brown (7-3) -- Last year's almost Cinderella has won 6 straight including handing Rhode Island their first loss. Mike Martin is a great coach and Kino Lilly -- the only other returning Ivy first teamer -- can take over a game. Which is good because he never sits. If Nana hadn't gotten hurt and Anya bailed to be a Billiken, Brown could have been dominant. But in the world of what actually happened, they are the last real contender for the ILT. But they host if they can make it.
6) Harvard (3-7) -- The Crimson have too much talent to completely write off, but they haven't looked good. They've lost to a pair of KenPom sub 300 teams and just barely beat New Hampshire who has zero D1 wins. Harvard starts two freshman and a sophomore, and has been working the talented Louis Lesmond back, so there is hope they can improve. But they miss their two transfers who left for Stanford and Georgetown, including last year's ROY, Malik Mack.
7) Penn (3-7) -- Penn is a mess. They started by beating two of the worst teams in the country, both by a single point, and are 1-7 since. Quaker fans and spoiled and entitled, and those are my friends, and they are restless. Penn doesn't really do anything well. They will win some Ivy games thanks to the Palestra, I certainly won't guarantee a Cornell win there, but there is a real chance Penn finishes last in the league. Not sure the last time I would have said that.
8) Dartmouth (4-7) -- Dartmouth looks much improved. They beat BC and they've been more competitive in their losses. The Big Green aren't making the ILT after going 6-21, 2-12, but they will claim some hides this year.
tl;dr -- Pencil Yale and Princeton for the ILT; the good guys, Brown and Columbia will fight for the two remaining slots with Harvard being a wild card and Dartmouth being more dangerous.
Thanks for the update, my ILT prediction would be 1.Cornell 2.Yale 3.Princeton 4.Brown
Good summary. Checked Illinois State's roster and see that they have 8 players from the portal including some grad students. They will be good test.
I feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three
Quote from: chimpfoodI feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three
Tuning in at the half and Cornell is up 45-43.
Quote from: chimpfoodI feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three
Wonderfully entertaining half, with Cornell coming back from 7 down to take a 45-43 lead on a Kiachian tip at the buzzer. ISU was 9 for 14 from 3 in the half, with their freshman Doherty looking like Ryan Witmann while going 4 for 4, and barely rippling the twine with his 3's.
As Eric Taylor noted, Cornell will probably have to start playing their man straight up to limit the open 3's
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: chimpfoodI feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three
Wonderfully entertaining half, with Cornell coming back from 7 down to take a 45-43 lead on a Kiachian tip at the buzzer. ISU was 9 for 14 from 3 in the half, with their freshman Doherty looking like Ryan Witmann while going 4 for 4, and barely rippling the twine with his 3's.
As Eric Taylor noted, Cornell will probably have to start playing their man straight up to limit the open 3's
Cornell hot out of the gate, especially on D (playing in-your-face on the perimeter) and now leads 52-44 at the first commercial break.
After a TO, ISU comes out hot and cuts it to 1. After trading 3s and Okereke hitting a tough layup, it's 59-56 at the 12:00 media timeout.
The idiotic foul by Hinton on a 3-0 changed this whole damn game.
Quote from: Mr. NissThe idiotic foul by Hinton on a 3-0 changed this whole damn game.
i thought it was a ticky-tack call. what has really flipped things is that Cornell is having trouble moving the ball against pressure, they have gone cold from the arc and the refs are calling a lot of offensive fouls.
Cornell with the ball down 2 with 30 seconds left, can't inbound the ball and turns it over to go down 4. Ugh.
Nazir Williams got a contested look for a buzzer-beater but nope. Cornell loses a very winnable game 80-77. I still feel very good about the Ivy season and the team's chances at a backup tournament if they don't win the ILT.
Failed inbound coming out of a timeout is disgraceful, gotta get it together before Ivy League play starts.
Despite ISU hitting 14 of 26 threes compared with us going 6 for 25, we still had every chance to win.
As for a positive, I'm astounded at the player Okereke has turned into.
Would say fairly even game with Noard and Fiegen not hitting their 3s which was the difference IMO. Cornell has put together a challenging home schedule getting some mid-major teams to come to Ithaca.
I'm disappointed, but not dispirited. Redbirds hit 8 more 3's on pretty much the same number of attempts. It's good for this team to be tested.
Former Cornell head basketball coach Bill Courtney was named the interim head coach at U. of Miami after head coach Jim Larranaga stepped down. Courtney is not expected to be one of permanent candidates for the job.
Quote from: Ken711Former Cornell head basketball coach Bill Courtney was named the interim head coach at U. of Miami after head coach Jim Larranaga stepped down. Courtney is not expected to be one of permanent candidates for the job.
Sad to hear about Larranaga. He's been at the game for a very long time.
Nice guy and good recruiter but was not good at game strategy
Our lack of a deep bench has been and will continue to hurt us.
Sloppy first half vs Siena. Lets hope they pick itu up a bit
Quote from: upprdeckSloppy first half vs Siena. Lets hope they pick itu up a bit
they have not! half started with AK missing both free throws on a well-earned foul, then multiple offensive fouls and sloppy turnovers. and Siena can't miss. after going into the half tied, we're down 6, Siena ball at the first media timeout.
wheels falling off. they keep whistling cornell for offensive fouls and Siena just can't miss. Siena is in the double bonus already. 11 point game at the 12 minute TO. blech
Quote from: ugartewheels falling off. they keep whistling cornell for offensive fouls and Siena just can't miss. Siena is in the double bonus already. 11 point game at the 12 minute TO. blech
stabilized a bit and the deficit is down to 5 at the 8 minute TO.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartewheels falling off. they keep whistling cornell for offensive fouls and Siena just can't miss. Siena is in the double bonus already. 11 point game at the 12 minute TO. blech
stabilized a bit and the deficit is down to 5 at the 8 minute TO.
still down 5 at the 4 minute TO. Siena is shooting so well from deep but Cornell is forcing tougher shots. All of the offense is coming from Williams and Ragland.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartewheels falling off. they keep whistling cornell for offensive fouls and Siena just can't miss. Siena is in the double bonus already. 11 point game at the 12 minute TO. blech
stabilized a bit and the deficit is down to 5 at the 8 minute TO.
still down 5 at the 4 minute TO. Siena is shooting so well from deep but Cornell is forcing tougher shots. All of the offense is coming from Williams and Ragland.
down 3 with 16.2 seconds left. feigen just missed a layup on a great backdoor cut and the ref swallowed his whistle for the forest time all night. noard 1 for 2 to cut it to 2, Siena to the line with 13.9...
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartewheels falling off. they keep whistling cornell for offensive fouls and Siena just can't miss. Siena is in the double bonus already. 11 point game at the 12 minute TO. blech
stabilized a bit and the deficit is down to 5 at the 8 minute TO.
still down 5 at the 4 minute TO. Siena is shooting so well from deep but Cornell is forcing tougher shots. All of the offense is coming from Williams and Ragland.
down 3 with 16.2 seconds left. feigen just missed a layup on a great backdoor cut and the ref swallowed his whistle for the forest time all night. noard 1 for 2 to cut it to 2, Siena to the line with 13.9...
Siena hits both. beccles misses the layup and Cornell fouls again. this one is over.
Awful performance, never even got a lead vs Siena at home. We did well at finding cutters for easy lays but just didn't shoot threes for some reason and played bad defense. The Ivy League games are all that matter anyway but it's hard not to be pissed off after sitting in Newman for two hours to watch them get handled by Siena and have the Siena fans be even louder than our own.
so many unforced turnovers that add up to bad possessions.
then miss th FT and the layup at the end that could have created some hope
the fouls added up as well
there were some moments but siena isn't good enough to have given us fits like this. they were guarding deep and we weren't rotating the ball fast enough to find open looks given their overcommitment. still, the team feels surprisingly close to cohesive somehow. none of it seems unfixable.
Just could not make adjustments to counter the man to man and open up the 3 point shooting. Our defense had a hard time getting stops too. Too many offensive fouls also.
8 Siena steals, 2 for Cornell
Quote from: chimpfoodAwful performance, never even got a lead vs Siena at home. We did well at finding cutters for easy lays but just didn't shoot threes for some reason and played bad defense. The Ivy League games are all that matter anyway but it's hard not to be pissed off after sitting in Newman for two hours to watch them get handled by Siena and have the Siena fans be even louder than our own.
Only 12 three point shots attempted; fewest since before the pandemic and the current offensive style. Give Siena some credit for doing a good job of taking away the threeball, but the BR never looked in rhythm.
Restart after the glorified scrimmage for league slate. 8-6 should get us into the ILT, it's almost always enough to finish top 4. To do that:
1-3 versus the favorites Yale and Princeton
2-2 versus our competition for the ILT Brown and Columbia
5-1 versus the rest of the league Harvard, Penn and Dartmouth.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: chimpfoodAwful performance, never even got a lead vs Siena at home. We did well at finding cutters for easy lays but just didn't shoot threes for some reason and played bad defense. The Ivy League games are all that matter anyway but it's hard not to be pissed off after sitting in Newman for two hours to watch them get handled by Siena and have the Siena fans be even louder than our own.
Only 12 three point shots attempted; fewest since before the pandemic and the current offensive style. Give Siena some credit for doing a good job of taking away the threeball, but the BR never looked in rhythm.
Restart after the glorified scrimmage for league slate. 8-6 should get us into the ILT, it's almost always enough to finish top 4. To do that:
1-3 versus the favorites Yale and Princeton
2-2 versus our competition for the ILT Brown and Columbia
5-1 versus the rest of the league Harvard, Penn and Dartmouth.
Wild to see Harvard and Penn at the bottom. Feel for Donohue. Not for Amaker.
Quote from: arugulaWild to see Harvard and Penn at the bottom. Feel for Donohue. Not for Amaker.
My thoughts exactly!
Harvard was losing to DIII Bowdoin by 9, 9!, at the half before winning by 6. Is Harvard actually this bad?
Weird game yesterday where a player for Penn State Schuylkill punched one of the refs in the shoulder during a break and got the ejection. 3 straight home losses before taking this one against a Division II USCAA team (USCAA equivalent of NCAA Division III). Would like to see Cornell players react better to "press out" man to man than they did against Siena. Credit Gerry McNamara (Siena Coach) with a good game plan to take away Cornell's 3 point shooting which Ivy teams will probably try to emulate.
Pretty massive game today, starting 1-0 in the Ivy League always feels important, especially away against a good team like Columbia (though they don't scare me as much as a team with their record normally would).
13-4 early, great start and they've gotten nothing from de la Rosa
Quote from: chimpfoodPretty massive game today, starting 1-0 in the Ivy League always feels important, especially away against a good team like Columbia (though they don't scare me as much as a team with their record normally would).
great start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: chimpfoodPretty massive game today, starting 1-0 in the Ivy League always feels important, especially away against a good team like Columbia (though they don't scare me as much as a team with their record normally would).
great start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
Up 20 at half and their best player is scoreless, can't ask for much more.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Lead cut down to 10 quickly
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Columbia comes out on fire, hitting five straight 3s. Lead down to 12. 61-49. Our offense isn't even playing that badly but this is insane. RDLR with 8 points in the onslaught.
This game is a blast to watch, back up 18 and beccles having the game of his life
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Columbia comes out on fire, hitting five straight 3s. Lead down to 12. 61-49. Our offense isn't even playing that badly but this is insane. RDLR with 8 points in the onslaught.
As unsustainable as it seemed. Cornell lead back to 18. 77-59.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Columbia comes out on fire, hitting five straight 3s. Lead down to 12. 61-49. Our offense isn't even playing that badly but this is insane. RDLR with 8 points in the onslaught.
As unsustainable as it seemed. Cornell lead back to 18. 77-59.
82-63. 7:57 left. Defense is so good today.
Columbia's press was looking good and forced a turnover before that timeout, then they just stopped?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Columbia comes out on fire, hitting five straight 3s. Lead down to 12. 61-49. Our offense isn't even playing that badly but this is insane. RDLR with 8 points in the onslaught.
As unsustainable as it seemed. Cornell lead back to 18. 77-59.
82-63. 7:57 left. Defense is so good today.
86-70 5:27 left. Bench mob has taken off their warm ups. Could see a lot of subs after the 4 minute TO.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Columbia comes out on fire, hitting five straight 3s. Lead down to 12. 61-49. Our offense isn't even playing that badly but this is insane. RDLR with 8 points in the onslaught.
As unsustainable as it seemed. Cornell lead back to 18. 77-59.
82-63. 7:57 left. Defense is so good today.
86-70 5:27 left. Bench mob has taken off their warm ups. Could see a lot of subs after the 4 minute TO.
No subs coming anymore. Getting a little sloppy. 86-73 with 3:18 left. Need to stabilize.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Columbia comes out on fire, hitting five straight 3s. Lead down to 12. 61-49. Our offense isn't even playing that badly but this is insane. RDLR with 8 points in the onslaught.
As unsustainable as it seemed. Cornell lead back to 18. 77-59.
82-63. 7:57 left. Defense is so good today.
86-70 5:27 left. Bench mob has taken off their warm ups. Could see a lot of subs after the 4 minute TO.
No subs coming anymore. Getting a little sloppy. 86-73 with 3:18 left. Need to stabilize.
Noard worth a back breaking 3 with 4 seconds on the clock followed by a great block from AK and another 3 from Noard. 92-78 1:27 left.
I haven't liked us closing games for a few years now but a win is a win and that's a big one.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartegreat start for the red. clampdown d and getting good looks inside. 13-4, 5 minutes in.
lot of red here. 23-14 11:28 left in the first half.
35-18 7:43 left in the half. RDLR still 0 points but 4 assists. Noard worth 3 3s.
45-25 3:46
51-31 at the half. RDLR still blanked. Incredible 20 minutes.
Columbia comes out on fire, hitting five straight 3s. Lead down to 12. 61-49. Our offense isn't even playing that badly but this is insane. RDLR with 8 points in the onslaught.
As unsustainable as it seemed. Cornell lead back to 18. 77-59.
82-63. 7:57 left. Defense is so good today.
86-70 5:27 left. Bench mob has taken off their warm ups. Could see a lot of subs after the 4 minute TO.
No subs coming anymore. Getting a little sloppy. 86-73 with 3:18 left. Need to stabilize.
Noard worth a back breaking 3 with 4 seconds on the clock followed by a great block from AK and another 3 from Noard. 92-78 1:27 left.
94-83 final. Love it. Great start to league play.
Quote from: chimpfoodI haven't liked us closing games for a few years now but a win is a win and that's a big one.
Beccles coming out party. Great work on both ends.