With all the transfer portal stuff and with folks starting to leave early, may as well kick off a thread to track ECAC movement.
Quillan left Q: https://www.uscho.com/2024/04/01/quinnipiacs-quillan-who-scored-national-championship-ot-game-winner-in-2023-leaves-after-junior-year-signs-with-nhls-maple-leafs/
This didn't mention the guy I was expecting to see.
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/03/2024-college-free-agency-preview-wingers.html
Seger not on the list and I sure hope the two that are aren't thinking about leaving.
Cooper Black gone: https://x.com/mikemcmahonchn/status/1774948027217629206?s=46&t=_waXTmQfZ9rEGNNzPJe2Yw
Quote from: VIEWfromKThis didn't mention the guy I was expecting to see.
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/03/2024-college-free-agency-preview-wingers.html
Seger not on the list and I sure hope the two that are aren't thinking about leaving.
Seger's on a list of centers that's linked on that homepage
Quote from: VIEWfromKThis didn't mention the guy I was expecting to see.
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/03/2024-college-free-agency-preview-wingers.html
Seger not on the list and I sure hope the two that are aren't thinking about leaving.
This article is specifically about wingers. It links to another one about centers which lists Seger. Idk if the author is reputable but despite what he says, Bancroft was not a bottom 6 forward last year.
Yea sorry but he loses a lot of credibility saying Psenicka is a flight risk, barring something unknown (grades, off-ice issue, etc etc). I think he picked two big wingers in the lineup with decent numbers and just threw it on a page for clicks.
Quote from: CU2007Yea sorry but he loses a lot of credibility saying Psenicka is a flight risk, barring something unknown (grades, off-ice issue, etc etc). I think he picked two big wingers in the lineup with decent numbers and just threw it on a page for clicks.
I mean, I doubt Psenicka leaves but he and Bancroft are the two biggest flight risks on the team this year I think. Psenicka was indeed getting some looks a couple years ago and has been invited to NHL camps the past two summers I believe.
Quote from: CU2007Yea sorry but he loses a lot of credibility saying Psenicka is a flight risk, barring something unknown (grades, off-ice issue, etc etc). I think he picked two big wingers in the lineup with decent numbers and just threw it on a page for clicks.
Seems about right
Seger still has a grad year? Go to another school? I think both Bancroft and Ondrej would be nuts to go pro now. Their games are nowhere near ready for NHL and do they want to toil away in the ECHL or AHL versus getting coached maximally by Schaf to be as ready as possible. Minor league money is not that good.
Quote from: arugulaSeger still has a grad year? Go to another school? I think both Bancroft and Ondrej would be nuts to go pro now. Their games are nowhere near ready for NHL and do they want to toil away in the ECHL or AHL versus getting coached maximally by Schaf to be as ready as possible. Minor league money is not that good.
Seger played 4 years + sat out the COVID year, so his eligibility is exhausted.
ECAC Portal pick ups so far:
Clarkson: Ethan Langenegger, G, Lake Superior State
Quinnipiac: Jack Ricketts, F, Holy Cross
St. Lawrence: Dominic Basse, G, St. Cloud
Players who have entered the portal (https://gopherpucklive.com/transfer-portal/):
4 Brown
2 Clarkson
6 Colgate
0 Cornell
2 Dartmouth
2 Harvard
5 Princeton
1 Quinnipiac
6 RPI
6 St. Lawrence
3 Union
4 Yale
NMU has 11 guys in the portal. Stonehill has 12.
There are two men and four women in the portal who have 4 years of eligibility left. Huh?
Quote from: TrotskyThere are two men and four women in the portal who have 4 years of eligibility left. Huh?
Redshirt
One of the Colgate players in the portal is Ryan MGuire, Pierre's son. Ryan had a productive sophomore year and I'm surprised he's looking for greener pastures. I imagine he'll have plenty of suitors.
I am hoping Ayrton Martino of Clarkson signs a pro deal. Third round draft pick of Dallas and one of Clarkson's leading scorers each of his three college seasons. You'd think he would be a good candidate to sign a pro deal, but maybe the Stars don't have the space. Given Clarkson's season ended weeks ago, I guess he'll unfortunately be back.
Of course, if you root for a strong ECAC, you would prefer that Martino return for his senior season. Preferring a strong ECAC would also mean rooting for Colin Graf to stay, for Macklin Celebrini to transfer for Harvard for his sophomore season, etc.
Let's assume, as has generally been the case the past few seasons, that (1) Cornell doesn't gain anybody from the portal, (2) Cornell doesn't lose anyone to the portal, (3) the blue bloods/top power conference schools and Quinnipiac are clear net winners from the portal and (4) most of the rest of the NCAA are clear net losers from the portal.
How does this impact:
1. Our odds of winning the ECAC championship
2. Our odds of making the NCAAs
3. Our odds of winning once we get to the NCAAs
And, how does your answer change after the fifth year of eligibility goes away after next season?
As someone who has anxiety about whether or not bad things HAVE happened, anxiety about whether or not bad things WILL happen sounds exhausting.
Also, we got Seger through the portal, so it can work for us. But we don't exactly have a lot of room for newcomers unless something changes for the worse.
Quote from: BearLoverLet's assume, as has generally been the case the past few seasons, that (1) Cornell doesn't gain anybody from the portal, (2) Cornell doesn't lose anyone to the portal, (3) the blue bloods/top power conference schools and Quinnipiac are clear net winners from the portal and (4) most of the rest of the NCAA are clear net losers from the portal.
How does this impact:
1. Our odds of winning the ECAC championship
2. Our odds of making the NCAAs
3. Our odds of winning once we get to the NCAAs
And, how does your answer change after the fifth year of eligibility goes away after next season?
Please show your work.
Quote from: BearLoverI am hoping Ayrton Martino of Clarkson signs a pro deal. Third round draft pick of Dallas and one of Clarkson's leading scorers each of his three college seasons. You'd think he would be a good candidate to sign a pro deal, but maybe the Stars don't have the space. Given Clarkson's season ended weeks ago, I guess he'll unfortunately be back.
Of course, if you root for a strong ECAC, you would prefer that Martino return for his senior season. Preferring a strong ECAC would also mean rooting for Colin Graf to stay, for Macklin Celebrini to transfer for Harvard for his sophomore season, etc.
I gave a wry smile at the Celebrini comment. Love your work BL. Truly a dog with a bone.
Quote from: DafatoneAs someone who has anxiety about whether or not bad things HAVE happened, anxiety about whether or not bad things WILL happen sounds exhausting.
Also, we got Seger through the portal, so it can work for us. But we don't exactly have a lot of room for newcomers unless something changes for the worse.
We'll if anyone is looking for a better coach or a better engineering program. But Bennet is gone and Seger was a one off.
Quote from: scoop85One of the Colgate players in the portal is Ryan MGuire, Pierre's son. Ryan had a productive sophomore year and I'm surprised he's looking for greener pastures. I imagine he'll have plenty of suitors.
McGuire's going to Northeastern.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: scoop85One of the Colgate players in the portal is Ryan MGuire, Pierre's son. Ryan had a productive sophomore year and I'm surprised he's looking for greener pastures. I imagine he'll have plenty of suitors.
McGuire's going to Northeastern.
This may be another way a weak ECAC affects the landscape. Players looking for greener pastures may be attracted by the alleged superiority of HE.
Quote from: TrotskyPlayers who have entered the portal (https://gopherpucklive.com/transfer-portal/):
4 Brown
2 Clarkson
6 Colgate
0 Cornell
2 Dartmouth
2 Harvard
5 Princeton
1 Quinnipiac
6 RPI
6 St. Lawrence
3 Union
4 Yale
NMU has 11 guys in the portal. Stonehill has 12.
That has to be encouraging for Cornell, that on a roster where there are more good players than playing time, they all want to stay (if I understand portal business correctly). Other programs might have to spend some time looking in their mirrors!
I look at this that evidence that Coach Schaefer is doing a good job off the ice as well as on it. He's not inducing, overselling, or exaggerating Cornell or the hockey program but presenting them honestly and the young men are indeed finding the experience as he described it or better.
Still, it would have been nice if Malone and Tupker had stuck around.
Quote from: BearLoverOf course, if you root for a strong ECAC, you would prefer that Martino return for his senior season. Preferring a strong ECAC would also mean rooting for Colin Graf to stay, for Macklin Celebrini to transfer for Harvard for his sophomore season, etc.
Players going pro is a tremendous sign of strength. I hope all our opponents get kneecapped by early flight.
Quote from: TroyfanQuote from: TrotskyPlayers who have entered the portal (https://gopherpucklive.com/transfer-portal/):
4 Brown
2 Clarkson
6 Colgate
0 Cornell
2 Dartmouth
2 Harvard
5 Princeton
1 Quinnipiac
6 RPI
6 St. Lawrence
3 Union
4 Yale
NMU has 11 guys in the portal. Stonehill has 12.
That has to be encouraging for Cornell, that on a roster where there are more good players than playing time, they all want to stay (if I understand portal business correctly). Other programs might have to spend some time looking in their mirrors!
I look at this that evidence that Coach Schaefer is doing a good job off the ice as well as on it. He's not inducing, overselling, or exaggerating Cornell or the hockey program but presenting them honestly and the young men are indeed finding the experience as he described it or better.
Still, it would have been nice if Malone and Tupker had stuck around.
I agree. It's evidence of an honestly run program, plus evidence that the players value the Cornell degree. In the world of the transfer portal, if your school provides a valuable four-year degree, that's a benefit.
And I agree that if we had Malone and Tupker, we'd still be playing.
Would the Ivy have allowed Malone and Tupker to play? I don't think so as they were playing as grad students.
Quote from: BearLoverI agree. It's evidence of an honestly run program, plus evidence that the players value the Cornell degree. In the world of the transfer portal, if your school provides a valuable four-year degree, that's a benefit.
And I agree that if we had Malone and Tupker, we'd still be playing.
I agree, but Malone and Tupker both graduated. They didn't just bolt for greener pastures. What prevented them from using their remaining year of eligibility was the Ivy prohibition against grad students playing. Will this issue go away now that the Covid cohorts are no longer around, or will schools use this as a way to "redshirt" better student-athletes?
Quote from: George64Quote from: BearLoverI agree. It's evidence of an honestly run program, plus evidence that the players value the Cornell degree. In the world of the transfer portal, if your school provides a valuable four-year degree, that's a benefit.
And I agree that if we had Malone and Tupker, we'd still be playing.
I agree, but Malone and Tupker both graduated. They didn't just bolt for greener pastures. What prevented them from using their remaining year of eligibility was the Ivy prohibition against grad students playing. Will this issue go away now that the Covid cohorts are no longer around, or will schools use this as a way to "redshirt" better student-athletes?
Yes, to be clear, the only one at fault here is the Ivy League.
Of course nothing stops a kid who isn't going to really play much as a FR from taking a semester off to not be on schedule and getting 5 yrs to play 4. the LAX guys can do it because the sport doesn't really go across semesters. A discussion that other sports do by RS without the grad restriction the Ivies have.
My understanding of "red shirting" is that athletes matriculate, practice with their team for a year or two, but not play, but take some classes to ease their academic burden during their following four playing years.
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for two years, but not compete, then play in his final two years, graduate on time, and then play for two years while completing his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
Quote from: George64My understanding of "red shirting" is that athletes matriculate, practice with their team for a year or two, but not play, but take some classes to ease their academic burden during their following four playing years.
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for two years, but not compete, then play in his final two years, graduate on time, and then play for two years while completing his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
No. Two rules stand in the way.
1) Ivies start the clock running on your four years to compete at the same time as your enrollment. The redshirt works outside of the Ivies because the NCAA rule is "you have 5 years for 4 years of competition."
2) Ivies do not permit grad school competition, outside of the one-time-only COVID exemption.
There is a caveat to (1), which is that you can manipulate your enrollment by withdrawing during semesters when your sport is out of competition (or in preliminary competition). Football doesn't play in the Spring, so you can get an extra year of competition by taking off Spring semester of Senior year and graduating the following fall. Wrestling spans the semesters, so if you join the team after Fall finals, you can get an extra year of competition. Wrestling also has what people call a "greyshirt" - take classes at TC3 for a year after graduation while training at the Spartan Combat [Olympic] Regional Training Center. SCRTC has some administrator/coach overlap with the Cornell team and people have been side-eyeing it for a while but it is apparently kosher.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64My understanding of "red shirting" is that athletes matriculate, practice with their team for a year or two, but not play, but take some classes to ease their academic burden during their following four playing years.
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for two years, but not compete, then play in his final two years, graduate on time, and then play for two years while completing his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
No. Two rules stand in the way.
1) Ivies start the clock running on your four years to compete at the same time as your enrollment. The redshirt works outside of the Ivies because the NCAA rule is "you have 5 years for 4 years of competition."
2) Ivies do not permit grad school competition, outside of the one-time-only COVID exemption.
There is a caveat to (1), which is that you can manipulate your enrollment by withdrawing during semesters when your sport is out of competition (or in preliminary competition). Football doesn't play in the Spring, so you can get an extra year of competition by taking off Spring semester of Senior year and graduating the following fall. Wrestling spans the semesters, so if you join the team after Fall finals, you can get an extra year of competition. Wrestling also has what people call a "greyshirt" - take classes at TC3 for a year after graduation while training at the Spartan Combat [Olympic] Regional Training Center. SCRTC has some administrator/coach overlap with the Cornell team and people have been side-eyeing it for a while but it is apparently kosher.
Thanks, but my question was primarily about non-Ivy athletes. Let me rephrase to reflect what you told me about the NCAA rule —
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for one year, but not compete, then compete in his final three years, graduate on time, and then use his remaining eligibility to play for one year while working towards his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
Also, will graduate student eligibility go away for non-Ivies after the last of the Covid cohort passes on? In which case, my musings will be moot.
There is also something called a "medical redshirt", separate from the traditional redshirt. If an athlete suffers a season-ending injury before the halfway point of that season, and if they have played in no more than some small fraction of the team's games/meets/whatever (I think it's 25%), then they can get an additional year, even if they've already had the traditional redshirt. Thus it's possible to spread the 4 years of competition over 6 years.
Ivies don't have the traditional redshirt, but the medical redshirt can be granted. Years ago, Vinnie Auger missed almost an entire season with the Big Red due to a back injury, but was permitted to play a season beyond what would have been considered his senior year. (And then he promptly got injured again, sigh)
Quote from: George64Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for one year, but not compete, then compete in his final three years, graduate on time, and then use his remaining eligibility to play for one year while working towards his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
This can and has happened at non-Ivies, although I can't think of an example off the top of my head.
Quote from: George64Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64My understanding of "red shirting" is that athletes matriculate, practice with their team for a year or two, but not play, but take some classes to ease their academic burden during their following four playing years.
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for two years, but not compete, then play in his final two years, graduate on time, and then play for two years while completing his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
No. Two rules stand in the way.
1) Ivies start the clock running on your four years to compete at the same time as your enrollment. The redshirt works outside of the Ivies because the NCAA rule is "you have 5 years for 4 years of competition."
2) Ivies do not permit grad school competition, outside of the one-time-only COVID exemption.
There is a caveat to (1), which is that you can manipulate your enrollment by withdrawing during semesters when your sport is out of competition (or in preliminary competition). Football doesn't play in the Spring, so you can get an extra year of competition by taking off Spring semester of Senior year and graduating the following fall. Wrestling spans the semesters, so if you join the team after Fall finals, you can get an extra year of competition. Wrestling also has what people call a "greyshirt" - take classes at TC3 for a year after graduation while training at the Spartan Combat [Olympic] Regional Training Center. SCRTC has some administrator/coach overlap with the Cornell team and people have been side-eyeing it for a while but it is apparently kosher.
Thanks, but my question was primarily about non-Ivy athletes. Let me rephrase to reflect what you told me about the NCAA rule —
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for one year, but not compete, then compete in his final three years, graduate on time, and then use his remaining eligibility to play for one year while working towards his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
Also, will graduate student eligibility go away for non-Ivies after the last of the Covid cohort passes on? In which case, my musings will be moot.
Yes, for non-Ivy schools you can absolutely do this. And grad school eligibility was available long before covid. You don't even need to be enrolled in a degree program. If you have eligibility remaining and are taking the equivalent of a full courseload, you can compete.
Quote from: George64Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64My understanding of "red shirting" is that athletes matriculate, practice with their team for a year or two, but not play, but take some classes to ease their academic burden during their following four playing years.
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for two years, but not compete, then play in his final two years, graduate on time, and then play for two years while completing his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
No. Two rules stand in the way.
1) Ivies start the clock running on your four years to compete at the same time as your enrollment. The redshirt works outside of the Ivies because the NCAA rule is "you have 5 years for 4 years of competition."
2) Ivies do not permit grad school competition, outside of the one-time-only COVID exemption.
There is a caveat to (1), which is that you can manipulate your enrollment by withdrawing during semesters when your sport is out of competition (or in preliminary competition). Football doesn't play in the Spring, so you can get an extra year of competition by taking off Spring semester of Senior year and graduating the following fall. Wrestling spans the semesters, so if you join the team after Fall finals, you can get an extra year of competition. Wrestling also has what people call a "greyshirt" - take classes at TC3 for a year after graduation while training at the Spartan Combat [Olympic] Regional Training Center. SCRTC has some administrator/coach overlap with the Cornell team and people have been side-eyeing it for a while but it is apparently kosher.
Thanks, but my question was primarily about non-Ivy athletes. Let me rephrase to reflect what you told me about the NCAA rule —
1. Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for one year, but not compete, then compete in his final three years, graduate on time, and then use his remaining eligibility to play for one year while working towards his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
2. Also, will graduate student eligibility go away for non-Ivies after the last of the Covid cohort passes on? In which case, my musings will be moot.
1. Yes, I am 90% sure. The scholarships are often renewable annually rather than a four-year guarantee anyway, and they can go towards grad degrees. Though graduation is often when you see people transfer there is no rule against staying and getting another degree from alma mater.
2. No, since it predated COVID.
Quote from: Give My RegardsThere is also something called a "medical redshirt" ... Ivies don't have the traditional redshirt, but the medical redshirt can be granted. Years ago, Vinnie Auger missed almost an entire season with the Big Red due to a back injury, but was permitted to play a season beyond what would have been considered his senior year. (And then he promptly got injured again, sigh)
Medical redshirts are evaluated by the NCAA on a case-by-case basis, but the rough contours are as GMR described AFAIK. There are other ways to extend, for example, in Olympic sports there are criteria for NCAA qualfiers to receive Olympic redshirts to spend the year training towards Olympic qualification. In wrestling, it was finishing in the top 8 at the US Senior Open, which allowed Yianni D., Vito and Max Dean to take Olympic redshirts in 2020 (before the postseason was canceled.)
Looks like Graf is going to the pros.
Quote from: Give My RegardsThere is also something called a "medical redshirt", separate from the traditional redshirt. If an athlete suffers a season-ending injury before the halfway point of that season, and if they have played in no more than some small fraction of the team's games/meets/whatever (I think it's 25%), then they can get an additional year, even if they've already had the traditional redshirt. Thus it's possible to spread the 4 years of competition over 6 years.
Ivies don't have the traditional redshirt, but the medical redshirt can be granted. Years ago, Vinnie Auger missed almost an entire season with the Big Red due to a back injury, but was permitted to play a season beyond what would have been considered his senior year. (And then he promptly got injured again, sigh)
This is not true.. If you RS for a non medical reason and then get injured in one of the other 4 yrs you dont get a 6th. You can petition it but its not often granted.
Almost all 6-7-8 yrs require injuries.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Give My RegardsThere is also something called a "medical redshirt" ... Ivies don't have the traditional redshirt, but the medical redshirt can be granted. Years ago, Vinnie Auger missed almost an entire season with the Big Red due to a back injury, but was permitted to play a season beyond what would have been considered his senior year. (And then he promptly got injured again, sigh)
Medical redshirts are evaluated by the NCAA on a case-by-case basis, but the rough contours are as GMR described AFAIK. There are other ways to extend, for example, in Olympic sports there are criteria for NCAA qualfiers to receive Olympic redshirts to spend the year training towards Olympic qualification. In wrestling, it was finishing in the top 8 at the US Senior Open, which allowed Yianni D., Vito and Max Dean to take Olympic redshirts in 2020 (before the postseason was canceled.)
The medical redshirt is an NCAA thing -- it is not automatically approved by the Ivy League unless the player has an academic reason to remain in school [or return to school if they took a semester off]. If a player takes a leave of absence to have surgery or to recover from an injury, getting the League to approve is easier than if they remain in school and can clearly graduate on time.
Quote from: arugulaLooks like Graf is going to the pros.
Wow; he's a FA and it's a bidding war. That offer is going to be pretty close to impossible to resist.
If they (Quillan and Graf) both go, I wonder if Lipkin might jump to the Yotes. A girl can dream.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64My understanding of "red shirting" is that athletes matriculate, practice with their team for a year or two, but not play, but take some classes to ease their academic burden during their following four playing years.
Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for two years, but not compete, then play in his final two years, graduate on time, and then play for two years while completing his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
No. Two rules stand in the way.
1) Ivies start the clock running on your four years to compete at the same time as your enrollment. The redshirt works outside of the Ivies because the NCAA rule is "you have 5 years for 4 years of competition."
2) Ivies do not permit grad school competition, outside of the one-time-only COVID exemption.
There is a caveat to (1), which is that you can manipulate your enrollment by withdrawing during semesters when your sport is out of competition (or in preliminary competition). Football doesn't play in the Spring, so you can get an extra year of competition by taking off Spring semester of Senior year and graduating the following fall. Wrestling spans the semesters, so if you join the team after Fall finals, you can get an extra year of competition. Wrestling also has what people call a "greyshirt" - take classes at TC3 for a year after graduation while training at the Spartan Combat [Olympic] Regional Training Center. SCRTC has some administrator/coach overlap with the Cornell team and people have been side-eyeing it for a while but it is apparently kosher.
Thanks, but my question was primarily about non-Ivy athletes. Let me rephrase to reflect what you told me about the NCAA rule —
1. Hypothetically, could a non-Ivy athlete practice with his team for one year, but not compete, then compete in his final three years, graduate on time, and then use his remaining eligibility to play for one year while working towards his MBA? Essentially, "red shirting" for the academically competent athlete. Would athletic "scholarships" carry over to grad school? Just wondering.
2. Also, will graduate student eligibility go away for non-Ivies after the last of the Covid cohort passes on? In which case, my musings will be moot.
1. Yes, I am 90% sure. The scholarships are often renewable annually rather than a four-year guarantee anyway, and they can go towards grad degrees. Though graduation is often when you see people transfer there is no rule against staying and getting another degree from alma mater.
2. No, since it predated COVID.
Twenty or so years ago one of my daughter's high school friends who played football at a Big-10 school red-shirted his freshman year, graduated in four, and stayed on scholarship for a year working on an MBA. The chance to earn an advanced degree on scholarship was sufficiently attractive to lure away from Princeton, which was actively recruiting him.
If they IVY is all about the degree you would think letting Grad students play would be a student first thing. Its really counter to what they stand for that kids would skip semesters can come back and play but kids who graduate can't.
Quote from: upprdeckIf they IVY is all about the degree you would think letting Grad students play would be a student first thing. Its really counter to what they stand for that kids would skip semesters can come back and play but kids who graduate can't.
I think they probably have a pretty clear vision of the kind of graduate work that is required of 5th year athletes outside of the Ivies.
Fillion leaves Q, to go with Quillan and soon to be Graf.
Rand will just go shopping in the Portal, but still nice to see the volatility.
We're stating to look like preseason favorites.
Quote from: TrotskyFillion leaves Q, to go with Quillan and soon to be Graf.
Rand will just go shopping in the Portal, but still nice to see the volatility.
We're stating to look like preseason favorites.
I'm still confused, do you want the ECAC to be strong or not? Good Q players transferring out is bad for the strength of the league.
I just saw a post that Northern Michigan has 13 players in the transfer portal!
Quote from: dbilmesI just saw a post that Northern Michigan has 13 players in the transfer portal!
They're probably looking for a more rigorous academic experience.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyFillion leaves Q, to go with Quillan and soon to be Graf.
Rand will just go shopping in the Portal, but still nice to see the volatility.
We're stating to look like preseason favorites.
I'm still confused, do you want the ECAC to be strong or not? Good Q players transferring out is bad for the strength of the league.
I'm all for a strong league with Cornell in first and Q in 12th or else back with with Community Colleges.
Quote from: martyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyFillion leaves Q, to go with Quillan and soon to be Graf.
Rand will just go shopping in the Portal, but still nice to see the volatility.
We're stating to look like preseason favorites.
I'm still confused, do you want the ECAC to be strong or not? Good Q players transferring out is bad for the strength of the league.
I'm all for a strong league with Cornell in first and Q in 12th or else back with with Community Colleges.
Those of us who want the ECAC to succeed do not generally feel the same way about Quinnipiac.
Quote from: arugulaLooks like Graf is going to the pros.
https://theathletic.com/5378477/2024/04/04/sharks-sign-top-college-free-agent-collin-graf-to-3-year-contract/
He's got the right coach in San Jose and will get lots of chances.
Lipkin just signed with Arizona. Dreams do come true.
Quote from: randyrangerLipkin just signed with Arizona. Dreams do come true.
Something something weaker ECAC something something Pairwise
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: randyrangerLipkin just signed with Arizona. Dreams do come true.
Something something weaker ECAC something something Pairwise
Something something Rand will reload through portal something something
DOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: CU2007Quote from: randyrangerLipkin just signed with Arizona. Dreams do come true.
Something something weaker ECAC something something Pairwise
Something something Rand will reload through portal something something
Agreed but I'll take my chances here. New players with fancy stats at someplace else don't always transition seemlessly.
Hopefully Q losing their top guns has the impact Harvard losing theirs did. Watch Rand's head explode...
Quote from: ugarteDOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Quality.
Quote from: arugulaHopefully Q losing their top guns has the impact Harvard losing theirs did. Watch Rand's head explode...
Q can just reload with whatever's available. Harvard has to at least ostensibly pretend to observe admissions requirements (I know, I know).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaHopefully Q losing their top guns has the impact Harvard losing theirs did. Watch Rand's head explode...
Q can just reload with whatever's available. Harvard has to at least ostensibly pretend to observe admissions requirements (I know, I know).
I had a sort of friend about a decade ago who played in some American junior hockey league, not quite sure which. He said he thought about continuing with hockey and was recruited by Harvard, but he couldn't meet the academics needed.
He and I wound up not getting along, but I don't think he was making that up. It's more fun to think he was really dumb than a liar.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaHopefully Q losing their top guns has the impact Harvard losing theirs did. Watch Rand's head explode...
Q can just reload with whatever's available. Harvard has to at least ostensibly pretend to observe admissions requirements (I know, I know).
Hopefully what's available isn't great. The grad years types are the danger.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaHopefully Q losing their top guns has the impact Harvard losing theirs did. Watch Rand's head explode...
Q can just reload with whatever's available. Harvard has to at least ostensibly pretend to observe admissions requirements (I know, I know).
Quinnipiac can take anybody out of the portal at any time. Harvard really can't, whether for admissions reasons or (more often) because they're a grad student.
Quote from: ugarteDOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Hockey players aren't hotelies. They're business majors.
Quote from: George64Quote from: dbilmesI just saw a post that Northern Michigan has 13 players in the transfer portal!
They're probably looking for a more rigorous academic experience.
Or warmer weather.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: George64Quote from: dbilmesI just saw a post that Northern Michigan has 13 players in the transfer portal!
They're probably looking for a more rigorous academic experience.
Or warmer weather.
The one guy on the NMU roster from SoCal is not in the portal. But he was born in 1998 and is probably ready to be done. Arizona State has 7 players in the portal.
Really, just wanted to point out that NMU has someone named Viking Gustafsson Nyberg, which is just...really spectacular for names.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteDOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Hockey players aren't hotelies. They're business majors.
the hotel school IS a business school
Couple of related items from the athletic.
From an article listing the top potential free agents. Broken down into categories by potential impact in NHL. In the category of "Long shot to play games"
27. Dalton Bancroft, RW, Cornell-ECAC
Bancroft is a strong-skating winger with a decent-sized frame. He was a point-per-game player as a sophomore this season in college. He has some puck skills and offensive creativity, but I don't think he's a natural playmaker or going to be a major scorer at higher levels. The pace in his game gives him a long-shot chance to play some games, especially given that he's quite physical too.
Full piece on Graf (paywall, though if you have some NYTimes subscriptions you get the athletic for free) https://theathletic.com/5378477/2024/04/04/collin-graf-sharks-contract?source=user-shared-article
Interesting nuggets from that article:
"In 112 collegiate games, Graf had 54 goals and 130 points. He was pursued by roughly 25 NHL teams. About three weeks ago, he cut the list to six finalists and held Zoom calls with those teams. Earlier this week, he met with each of the teams again before trimming his list of suitors to one"
"wanted to go to a team he could see himself playing for long-term, not just five or six games down the stretch. Along with agent Jerry Buckley, he went through every finalist with a fine-tooth comb to review depth charts, prospect pools, draft picks, coaching styles, management and which teams may have a dearth of right-shot forwards."
Kid has a great agent- I love that process.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteDOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Hockey players aren't hotelies. They're business majors.
Scrivens was a hotelie, no? I'm sure there are quite a few others players who have been hotelies in the past 15 years.
Quote from: ugarteDOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Wish that was Matthew Wood's career dream.
Quote from: abmarksCouple of related items from the athletic.
From an article listing the top potential free agents. Broken down into categories by potential impact in NHL. In the category of "Long shot to play games"
27. Dalton Bancroft, RW, Cornell-ECAC
Bancroft is a strong-skating winger with a decent-sized frame. He was a point-per-game player as a sophomore this season in college. He has some puck skills and offensive creativity, but I don't think he's a natural playmaker or going to be a major scorer at higher levels. The pace in his game gives him a long-shot chance to play some games, especially given that he's quite physical too.
Full piece on Graf (paywall, though if you have some NYTimes subscriptions you get the athletic for free) https://theathletic.com/5378477/2024/04/04/collin-graf-sharks-contract?source=user-shared-article
Interesting nuggets from that article:
"In 112 collegiate games, Graf had 54 goals and 130 points. He was pursued by roughly 25 NHL teams. About three weeks ago, he cut the list to six finalists and held Zoom calls with those teams. Earlier this week, he met with each of the teams again before trimming his list of suitors to one"
"wanted to go to a team he could see himself playing for long-term, not just five or six games down the stretch. Along with agent Jerry Buckley, he went through every finalist with a fine-tooth comb to review depth charts, prospect pools, draft picks, coaching styles, management and which teams may have a dearth of right-shot forwards."
Kid has a great agent- I love that process.
But how did he find time to prepare for his finals?
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteDOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Hockey players aren't hotelies. They're business majors.
Scrivens was a hotelie, no? I'm sure there are quite a few others players who have been hotelies in the past 15 years.
Ugarte attempts humor and rather than critique the joke it's all out war over whether the team is stacked with Hotelies. Pure eLynah.
Quote from: martyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteDOESN'T ANYONE WITH SCORING TOUCH WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RUN A MARRIOTT?
Hockey players aren't hotelies. They're business majors.
Scrivens was a hotelie, no? I'm sure there are quite a few others players who have been hotelies in the past 15 years.
Ugarte attempts humor and rather than critique the joke it's all out war over whether the team is stacked with Hotelies. Pure eLynah.
ugarte succeeds but some countervailing forces are just too strong
Per the Q USCHO thread they have only 5 guys left from the title team, despite the 5-year plan. IINM they have lost their top 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13 scorers from 2024, and their big goalie.
Quote from: TrotskyPer the Q USCHO thread they have only 5 guys left so far from the title team, despite the 5-year plan. IINM they have lost their top 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13 scorers from 2024, and their big goalie.
FYP. Their beloved coach must be puzzled.
Quote from: TrotskyPer the Q USCHO thread they have only 5 guys left from the title team, despite the 5-year plan. IINM they have lost their top 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13 scorers from 2024, and their big goalie.
The goalie is only 6' 1" 170.
He's no Cooper Black
Quote from: TrotskyPer the Q USCHO thread they have only 5 guys left from the title team, despite the 5-year plan. IINM they have lost their top 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13 scorers from 2024, and their big goalie.
Any plan called a Five Year Plan fails. It doesn't have to involve agriculture or steel mills. How'd you like your player bio to say Comrade Yaniv?