Anyone know where the Cornell fan section will be at Lake Placid this year?
Quote from: pmbblblawAnyone know where the Cornell fan section will be at Lake Placid this year?
Probably hasn't been assigned yet.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: pmbblblawAnyone know where the Cornell fan section will be at Lake Placid this year?
Probably hasn't been assigned yet.
They used to assign the four corners before the quarterfinals, but that was back when they had paper tickets, since the winners of the quarterfinal series could take the tickets with them.
Holy hell, the 2024 ECAC Lake Placid emblem does not look like shit.
(https://cdn-az.allevents.in/events6/banners/1d282631eae0a37865c264e7dabd6af4a0384c1c45e31c07b4444a581152ddf5-rimg-w960-h540-gmir.jpg?v=1710105016)
This is the first design element created since 1989 that I can remember that doesn't look it was created by and for imbeciles.
Quote from: pmbblblawAnyone know where the Cornell fan section will be at Lake Placid this year?
Idk.... But I'll be there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDlKb2cBAqU&ab_channel=desla1
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: pmbblblawAnyone know where the Cornell fan section will be at Lake Placid this year?
Probably hasn't been assigned yet.
They used to assign the four corners before the quarterfinals, but that was back when they had paper tickets, since the winners of the quarterfinal series could take the tickets with them.
Last year the ticket office had a code available after the game that allowed us to purchase tickets in the Cornell section, and at a small discount. When I asked about that code tonight they said they did not have it yet, but would publish it and probably send it out via email as soon as they have it.
I can't even find a spot on the Lake Placid website to enter a code. I think last year it was "Cornell", or something equally hard to guess. If someone figures out where on the website to enter a code before seat selection, please post here.
Quote from: pmbblblawAnyone know where the Cornell fan section will be at Lake Placid this year?
Be nice to know out which goal Cornell attacks first and third in case you want your seats there (or the goal Cornell defends if you prefer defense). We will be the home team / white sweaters for the Friday game and if we advance, away team / red sweaters Saturday if Quinnipiac also advances. [edit add:] Based on last year, the home team attacks the non-Zamboni end goal twice (sections 1 /26).
The chart is the Lake Placid Herb Brooks Arena (the 7700-seat big one) seating chart. The cutout at left is the Zamboni door (sections 13/14) and that is at the back end of the rink if you visualize the opposite end (sections 1/26) as the end closer to Main Street and Mirror Lake. The bottom would be the side nearest the high school/skating oval. (The TV cameras shoot toward the benches.)
On the arena site for buying tickets, it shows the majority of tickets are taken or sold but I think that means they may have been set aside. I don't recall a time when you couldn't get tickets. And a lot of fans will leave after game one (Q vs. SLU).
FWIW, I bought tix in section 22. But I fully expect to sit in or near the Cornell section, wherever it is.
Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets
get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Incidentally, this particular combination of four teams has never before been in the ECAC semis, Lake Placid or not. Q's history in the conference may be relatively brief, but it's also already twenty years.
Quote from: BeeeejIncidentally, this particular combination of four teams has never before been in the ECAC semis, Lake Placid or not. Q's history in the conference may be relatively brief, but it's also already twenty years.
Nicely noticed (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_F4_Icon_Matrix.htm), Beeej.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BeeeejIncidentally, this particular combination of four teams has never before been in the ECAC semis, Lake Placid or not. Q's history in the conference may be relatively brief, but it's also already twenty years.
Nicely noticed (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_F4_Icon_Matrix.htm), Beeej.
TBRW is missing Yale in 1986, Greg.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BeeeejIncidentally, this particular combination of four teams has never before been in the ECAC semis, Lake Placid or not. Q's history in the conference may be relatively brief, but it's also already twenty years.
Nicely noticed (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_F4_Icon_Matrix.htm), Beeej.
TBRW is missing Yale in 1986, Greg.
1985 has 5 teams. Probably the source of the 1986 error.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BeeeejIncidentally, this particular combination of four teams has never before been in the ECAC semis, Lake Placid or not. Q's history in the conference may be relatively brief, but it's also already twenty years.
Nicely noticed (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_F4_Icon_Matrix.htm), Beeej.
TBRW is missing Yale in 1986, Greg.
1985 has 5 teams. Probably the source of the 1986 error.
Fixed, thank you.
(https://i.etsystatic.com/32887768/r/il/528684/3732159293/il_1080xN.3732159293_61i5.jpg)
Other fun stuff: this will be Cornell's 40th (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_F4_by_Team.htm) ECAC F4. (Personally, it will be Anne and my 25th, which would make us the 4th most successful school despite missing the first 20 seasons.)
Appearances by decade:
60s 4 (of 8)
70s 9
80s 5
90s 5
00s 8
10s 7
20s 2 (of 3)
Quote from: BeeeejIncidentally, this particular combination of four teams has never before been in the ECAC semis, Lake Placid or not. Q's history in the conference may be relatively brief, but it's also already twenty years.
I was going to say that Dartmouth's fault for making it less frequently, but the most common 3-of-4 for this 4 appears to be DC/QU/SLU in 2007 and 2016, so it's on us.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: BeeeejIncidentally, this particular combination of four teams has never before been in the ECAC semis, Lake Placid or not. Q's history in the conference may be relatively brief, but it's also already twenty years.
I was going to say that Dartmouth's fault for making it less frequently, but the most common 3-of-4 for this 4 appears to be DC/QU/SLU in 2007 and 2016, so it's on us.
I am only pleased when it's us, Clarkson, and 2 of Harvard, SLU, or RPI.
This year's combo is
unapproved, but I'll allow it if we win it.
My order of precedence:
0. Cornell
1. Clarkson
2. Harvard (I know, sue me)
3. St. Lawrence
4. RPI
5. Dartmouth
5. Princeton
5. Yale
5. Colgate
5. Brown
10. Union
11. Quinnipiac
Quote from: TrotskyMy order of precedence:
0. Cornell
1. Clarkson
2. Harvard (I know, sue me)
3. St. Lawrence
4. RPI
5. Dartmouth
5. Princeton
5. Yale
5. Colgate
5. Brown
10. Union
11. Quinnipiac
I mostly agree, but I hate seeing Princeton, as they have this weird tendency to win in their rare appearances.
Quote from: TrotskyMy order of precedence:
0. Cornell
1. Clarkson
2. Harvard (I know, sue me)
3. St. Lawrence
4. RPI
5. Dartmouth
5. Princeton
5. Yale
5. Colgate
5. Brown
10. Union
11. Quinnipiac
I miss UVM, who would probably be 4.5 on that list.
Quote from: jtwcornell91I miss UVM, who would probably be 4.5 on that list.
I sometimes wonder how things would have been for UVM if it stayed. It doesn't seem like the jump to Hockey East worked out for the program.
Quote from: JasonN95Quote from: jtwcornell91I miss UVM, who would probably be 4.5 on that list.
I sometimes wonder how things would have been for UVM if it stayed. It doesn't seem like the jump to Hockey East worked out for the program.
Uh-oh, Justin Milo's dad is gonna log on and give ya what fer!
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyMy order of precedence:
0. Cornell
1. Clarkson
2. Harvard (I know, sue me)
3. St. Lawrence
4. RPI
5. Dartmouth
5. Princeton
5. Yale
5. Colgate
5. Brown
10. Union
11. Quinnipiac
I miss UVM, who would probably be 4.5 on that list.
Same here. For that matter:
0. Cornell
1. Screw BU
2. Clarkson
3. Harvard too
4. St. Lawrence
5. RPI
6. BC
7. Vermont
8. Providence
8. Dartmouth
8. Northeastern
8. Princeton
8. New Hampshire
8. Yale
8. Maine
8. Colgate
8. Army
8. Brown
18. Union
19. Quinnipiac
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
Quote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
Quote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
Not to mention the the bulk of the locals of Lake Placid & Saranac Lake area typically throw their support to the North Country teams, whichever one is there. They may not be boisterous or loud, but they like having tournaments like this there and they will pull for the region.
Schools by Section: 3: St Lawrence University | (2 Band) – 11: Cornell | (12 Band) – 16: Dartmouth | (15 Band) – 24: Quinnipiac | (25 Band)
https://lakeplacidolympiccenter.com/event/ecac-mens-hockey-championship/
Section 11 tickets are not available online at the Lake Placid Brooks Arena ticket office. I called the arena and the ticket rep said I needed to get Section 11 tix from the Cornell ticket office. I just called the Cornell ticket office; it is closed, only open Tuesday-Friday. Hmmm... how to get section 11 tickets today??? Am I missing something?
Quote from: cquinnSchools by Section: 3: St Lawrence University | (2 Band) – 11: Cornell | (12 Band) – 16: Dartmouth | (15 Band) – 24: Quinnipiac | (25 Band)
https://lakeplacidolympiccenter.com/event/ecac-mens-hockey-championship/
SLU Band, since when? They don't even have a band when they play at home.
Quote from: newco113You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
The last time SLU was in Lake Placid, I recall there being a lot of their supporters in attendance, which would make sense given the proximity to Canton and Lake Placid being in the North Country
Quote from: pmbblblawSection 11 tickets are not available online at the Lake Placid Brooks Arena ticket office. I called the arena and the ticket rep said I needed to get Section 11 tix from the Cornell ticket office. I just called the Cornell ticket office; it is closed, only open Tuesday-Friday. Hmmm... how to get section 11 tickets today??? Am I missing something?
BigRedTix (https://vivenu.com/seller/cornell-athletics-4qf3/mens-hockey-0xwb) says:
"MEN'S HOCKEY - ECAC CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT INFORMATION WILL BE RELEASED BY 8PM ON MONDAY, MARCH 18TH."
will we be able to get tix online? If so, at what website? Cornell ticket office or Brooks Arena? will the entire section be available? is it general admission or assigned seating? thanks.
yeah.. the AD does a great job of running this simple stuff.
In the old days they needed to wait for the paper tickets to show up to sell them.
did STH get an email?
if the Cornell section is not virtual that could be the hold up.. But still no reason that until 8pm people have no idea whats going on.
Quote from: JasonN95Quote from: jtwcornell91I miss UVM, who would probably be 4.5 on that list.
I sometimes wonder how things would have been for UVM if it stayed. It doesn't seem like the jump to Hockey East worked out for the program.
They were
60 seconds from a national championshipin the Frozen Four in 2009. (Apparently I've swapped UVM and Miami--and presumably Milo and Brent Brekke--in my memory of that tournament.)
Quote from: pmbblblawwill we be able to get tix online? If so, at what website? Cornell ticket office or Brooks Arena? will the entire section be available? is it general admission or assigned seating? thanks.
Last year as soon as the game ended a code was available (possibly on the scoreboard, but definitely, at a minimum, at the ticket office) that allowed us to purchase online, in the Cornell section, and at a small (perhaps $5 per ticket?) discount. When I asked about a code at the ticket office after the game on Saturday night I was told they did not have the info from Lake Placid yet.
I expect there will be a code, or a specific URL.
The ECAC just announced (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/03/18_ECAC-Tournament-Remaining.php) that the tournament will be staying in Lake Placid for the next two years.
For some perspective, horrors:
Neither Q, SLU, nor Dartmouth have anything on their website about tickets, just a link to the LP site.
Its almost like using virtual tickets has made this harder not easier?
in the way back machine they used to send out tickets ahead of time to the schools to sell once they won.
Has it gotten harder with tech running the show?
Quote from: Jim HylaFor some perspective, horrors:
Neither Q, SLU, nor Dartmouth have anything on their website about tickets, just a link to the LP site.
Yup, we are all in a panic about it too. I'm getting flooded with messages from friends and fellow fans about the ticket info and we know we are in Section 3. Just nothing yet on how to purchase tickets in that section. So, you're not alone, but it's so frustrating!
Quote from: newco113Quote from: Jim HylaFor some perspective, horrors:
Neither Q, SLU, nor Dartmouth have anything on their website about tickets, just a link to the LP site.
Yup, we are all in a panic about it too. I'm getting flooded with messages from friends and fellow fans about the ticket info and we know we are in Section 3. Just nothing yet on how to purchase tickets in that section. So, you're not alone, but it's so frustrating!
A reminder that this is a new league commissioner going through this for the first time. It's seeming like his administration has been caught flat-footed with the planning/timing. Or maybe it's ORDA.
https://ecachockey.com/news/2023/6/12/general-doug-christiansen-named-new-ecac-hockey-commissioner.aspx
It's going to be hard not to reflexively refer to Shagwell going forward.
Quote from: pmbblblawSection 11 tickets are not available online at the Lake Placid Brooks Arena ticket office. I called the arena and the ticket rep said I needed to get Section 11 tix from the Cornell ticket office. I just called the Cornell ticket office; it is closed, only open Tuesday-Friday. Hmmm... how to get section 11 tickets today??? Am I missing something?
Tickets.
Quote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
I take back nothing. The main lesson I have learned in life is that being right is the least important thing to be.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
I take back nothing. The main lesson I have learned in life is that being right is the least important thing to be.
I imagine townies from St Lawrence WILL travel this weekend, but unfortunately for their hockey team, many students will still be on spring break...
CORNELL SECTION TICKETS HERE. (https://lakeplacidolympiccenter.showare.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=2)
I just tried the password CORNELL24 and it worked, the section opened.
Happy searching.
St. Lawrence definitely helps attendance in Lake Placid. Clarkson a bit more.
Clarkson 3700 students
St. Lawrence 2200 students
The best possible ECAC-in-Placid turnout would be Cornell, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and, um, pick one, maybe RPI. It is about 80 miles from Clarkson (+5 for St Lawrence) to Lake Placid but it is dark (well, yeah), twisty road that is not well-striped. Read: It's not that far but it's a bitch of drive home. With the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
Quote from: billhowardWith the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
Darkness is a CRT plot.
Quote from: Jim HylaCORNELL SECTION TICKETS HERE. (https://lakeplacidolympiccenter.showare.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=2)
I just tried the password CORNELL24 and it worked, the section opened.
Happy searching.
Any one have any idea what may be going on in rows G, H, I in Section 11? Those seats are blocked. They aren't blocked for the band, supposedly, because the band is supposed to be in Section 12.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: Jim HylaCORNELL SECTION TICKETS HERE. (https://lakeplacidolympiccenter.showare.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=2)
I just tried the password CORNELL24 and it worked, the section opened.
Happy searching.
Any one have any idea what may be going on in rows G, H, I in Section 11? Those seats are blocked. They aren't blocked for the band, supposedly, because the band is supposed to be in Section 12.
Maybe player's family?
Quote from: fastforwardQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: Jim HylaCORNELL SECTION TICKETS HERE. (https://lakeplacidolympiccenter.showare.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=2)
I just tried the password CORNELL24 and it worked, the section opened.
Happy searching.
Any one have any idea what may be going on in rows G, H, I in Section 11? Those seats are blocked. They aren't blocked for the band, supposedly, because the band is supposed to be in Section 12.
Maybe player's family?
That's a great guess! Thanks!
I think I'll try to "crack" the very complicated password code for the other teams and see if similar seats are blocked in those sections.
Edit: Code cracked. All the team sections have those rows blocked. SLU has a few purchased already, which makes me think perhaps parents / player guests are also being given a code that opens up those seats. Took a shot at cracking those codes but failed.
We are now in official win and stay in mode. for the next 1 - 6 games.
Quote from: billhowardSt. Lawrence definitely helps attendance in Lake Placid. Clarkson a bit more.
Clarkson 3700 students
St. Lawrence 2200 students
The best possible ECAC-in-Placid turnout would be Cornell, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and, um, pick one, maybe RPI. It is about 80 miles from Clarkson (+5 for St Lawrence) to Lake Placid but it is dark (well, yeah), twisty road that is not well-striped. Read: It's not that far but it's a bitch of drive home. With the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
In 2000, it was us, Clarkson, SLU, RPI, and Colgate, which seems just about optimal. Unfortunately for the attendance, Clarkson lost to RPI in the play-in Thursday night.
I don't have the attendance numbers handy.
Quote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
This is simply not true. I've been to every Lake Placid ECACs and the SLU presence is never significant. They are great fans and they travel well, but their pool is just too small. Every SLU fan is an outstanding fan, and Canton gives it everything they have, and I have spent many an evening and many a beer hanging out with them, but
they do not have numbers.
Heavy: Cornell, Clarkson, extremely annoyingly Quinnipiac, once upon a time Vermont
Medium: Union, RPI
Small: Colgate, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth
Nearly Zero: Brown, Princeton, Yale even when they were good, Harvard
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: billhowardSt. Lawrence definitely helps attendance in Lake Placid. Clarkson a bit more.
Clarkson 3700 students
St. Lawrence 2200 students
The best possible ECAC-in-Placid turnout would be Cornell, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and, um, pick one, maybe RPI. It is about 80 miles from Clarkson (+5 for St Lawrence) to Lake Placid but it is dark (well, yeah), twisty road that is not well-striped. Read: It's not that far but it's a bitch of drive home. With the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
In 2000, it was us, Clarkson, SLU, RPI, and Colgate, which seems just about optimal. Unfortunately for the attendance, Clarkson lost to RPI in the play-in Thursday night.
I don't have the attendance numbers handy.
Clarkson lost to Cornell in that PIG.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: billhowardSt. Lawrence definitely helps attendance in Lake Placid. Clarkson a bit more.
Clarkson 3700 students
St. Lawrence 2200 students
The best possible ECAC-in-Placid turnout would be Cornell, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and, um, pick one, maybe RPI. It is about 80 miles from Clarkson (+5 for St Lawrence) to Lake Placid but it is dark (well, yeah), twisty road that is not well-striped. Read: It's not that far but it's a bitch of drive home. With the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
In 2000, it was us, Clarkson, SLU, RPI, and Colgate, which seems just about optimal. Unfortunately for the attendance, Clarkson lost to RPI in the play-in Thursday night.
I don't have the attendance numbers handy.
Clarkson lost to Cornell in that PIG.
I must have mixed together memories of 2000 and 2002. Now that you mention it, I remember now that the 4th and 5th seeds got the same corner of the rink for the last two days of the tournament (since only one of them would still be there), and we ended up with annoyed Clarkson fans scattered throughout the Cornell section for the semis and consolation. (2000 was the year of the double-OT loss to SLU and the abysmal shutout by Colgate in the consy.)
That's one of the dumbest things in Lake Placid, and I wish fans would just re-sort themselves. Every year, there are X sections with y pockets and Y sections with x pockets, and it doesn't take Georg Cantor to figure out what to do.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: billhowardSt. Lawrence definitely helps attendance in Lake Placid. Clarkson a bit more.
Clarkson 3700 students
St. Lawrence 2200 students
The best possible ECAC-in-Placid turnout would be Cornell, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and, um, pick one, maybe RPI. It is about 80 miles from Clarkson (+5 for St Lawrence) to Lake Placid but it is dark (well, yeah), twisty road that is not well-striped. Read: It's not that far but it's a bitch of drive home. With the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
In 2000, it was us, Clarkson, SLU, RPI, and Colgate, which seems just about optimal. Unfortunately for the attendance, Clarkson lost to RPI in the play-in Thursday night.
I don't have the attendance numbers handy.
Clarkson lost to Cornell in that PIG.
Whew! I think that I would have remembered if RPI had ever been at LP for the ECAC tourney since it returned there. It this stage of my life, I am concerned about signs of old age. :)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
This is simply not true. I've been to every Lake Placid ECACs and the SLU presence is never significant. They are great fans and they travel well, but their pool is just too small. Every SLU fan is an outstanding fan, and Canton gives it everything they have, and I have spent many an evening and many a beer hanging out with them, but they do not have numbers.
Heavy: Cornell, Clarkson, extremely annoyingly Quinnipiac, once upon a time Vermont
Medium: Union, RPI
Small: Colgate, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth
Nearly Zero: Brown, Princeton, Yale even when they were good, Harvard
I really don't mean to be rude, but if you actually think that Quinnipiac has a heavy travel presence in Lake Placid and that Union or RPI bring more fans than SLU then you just plain and simply do not know what you are talking about. I've been going to each and every ECAC tournament since the first go around in Lake Placid back in the 90's, the Atlantic City days, the Albany days etc and SLU and Clarkson and Cornell are the big draws to Lake Placid. Always have been. SLU has made it twice to Lake Placid (since its return) back in 2015 and 2016 and it was partisan, significantly partisan SLU fans compared to the other teams. There were even articles in the local papers commenting on "the significantly partisan SLU turnout" at the time. When SLU/Clarkson met in the Championship game back in 1999 it was a complete sellout (8,200) and about a 50/50 split between fans. It's always been this way and it's pretty much common knowledge (or so I thought it was) that the North Country teams are the big draws for Placid. That's why there have been numerous non-conference games played between SLU and Clarkson at Lake Placid. Not SLU or Clarkson vs Quinnipiac or Union or RPI, SLU vs. Clarkson because that is the big draw there. I don't know what else to say other than that.
Quote from: newco113Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
This is simply not true. I've been to every Lake Placid ECACs and the SLU presence is never significant. They are great fans and they travel well, but their pool is just too small. Every SLU fan is an outstanding fan, and Canton gives it everything they have, and I have spent many an evening and many a beer hanging out with them, but they do not have numbers.
Heavy: Cornell, Clarkson, extremely annoyingly Quinnipiac, once upon a time Vermont
Medium: Union, RPI
Small: Colgate, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth
Nearly Zero: Brown, Princeton, Yale even when they were good, Harvard
I really don't mean to be rude, but if you actually think that Quinnipiac has a heavy travel presence in Lake Placid and that Union or RPI bring more fans than SLU then you just plain and simply do not know what you are talking about. I've been going to each and every ECAC tournament since the first go around in Lake Placid back in the 90's, the Atlantic City days, the Albany days etc and SLU and Clarkson and Cornell are the big draws to Lake Placid. Always have been. SLU has made it twice to Lake Placid (since its return) back in 2015 and 2016 and it was partisan, significantly partisan SLU fans compared to the other teams. There were even articles in the local papers commenting on "the significantly partisan SLU turnout" at the time. When SLU/Clarkson met in the Championship game back in 1999 it was a complete sellout (8,200) and about a 50/50 split between fans. It's always been this way and it's pretty much common knowledge (or so I thought it was) that the North Country teams are the big draws for Placid. That's why there have been numerous non-conference games played between SLU and Clarkson at Lake Placid. Not SLU or Clarkson vs Quinnipiac or Union or RPI, SLU vs. Clarkson because that is the big draw there. I don't know what else to say other than that.
The only other thing to add would be that if Quinnipiac is a heavy draw in Lake Placid (they are not) then why would they give SLU and Cornell Section 3 and Section 11? Which are the 2 biggest corner sections since they removed the top 3 rows in Sections 16 and 24 to add the standing platforms? Quinnipiac has sold a whopping 1 ... Yes 1 ticket in their fan section. We've sold more than half of our allotment already and that was with many fans giving up prior to the code being provided and just getting tickets scattered elsewhere throughout the rink.
Quote from: newco113Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
This is simply not true. I've been to every Lake Placid ECACs and the SLU presence is never significant. They are great fans and they travel well, but their pool is just too small. Every SLU fan is an outstanding fan, and Canton gives it everything they have, and I have spent many an evening and many a beer hanging out with them, but they do not have numbers.
Heavy: Cornell, Clarkson, extremely annoyingly Quinnipiac, once upon a time Vermont
Medium: Union, RPI
Small: Colgate, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth
Nearly Zero: Brown, Princeton, Yale even when they were good, Harvard
I really don't mean to be rude, but if you actually think that Quinnipiac has a heavy travel presence in Lake Placid and that Union or RPI bring more fans than SLU then you just plain and simply do not know what you are talking about. I've been going to each and every ECAC tournament since the first go around in Lake Placid back in the 90's, the Atlantic City days, the Albany days etc and SLU and Clarkson and Cornell are the big draws to Lake Placid. Always have been. SLU has made it twice to Lake Placid (since its return) back in 2015 and 2016 and it was partisan, significantly partisan SLU fans compared to the other teams. There were even articles in the local papers commenting on "the significantly partisan SLU turnout" at the time. When SLU/Clarkson met in the Championship game back in 1999 it was a complete sellout (8,200) and about a 50/50 split between fans. It's always been this way and it's pretty much common knowledge (or so I thought it was) that the North Country teams are the big draws for Placid. That's why there have been numerous non-conference games played between SLU and Clarkson at Lake Placid. Not SLU or Clarkson vs Quinnipiac or Union or RPI, SLU vs. Clarkson because that is the big draw there. I don't know what else to say other than that.
RPI has played a midesason, nonconference game vs. Clarkson in LP (1/7/17), also twice vs. Union (I think as part of doubleheaders).
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: newco113Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: newco113Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BlueSkyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just get into the rink, and figure it out from there.
This. The weekend is going to be 90% Q and Cornell fans. The Q fans are going to leave after their game to either celebrate or slink back to Toilet-on-the-Connecticut.
We will have a half empty building to ourselves.
Advice: if you come without tickets get there early because LP has yet to get their shit together at the walkup office, and the lines get long. You'll get in but you don't want to miss the whole first period.
Curious, doesn't SLU travel well? Such a short drive? I would hope they would. Can't wait for Friday night! LGR!!
if everyone in canton goes, they could fill as many as two sections
You're joking right? You all do realize that the 2 biggest draws in Lake Placid always have been SLU and Clarkson? It's actually not even close. I read the comment the other day about the "90% Q and Cornell fans" and chuckled. It's only an hour and a half from Canton to Lake Placid and, every time we play there, roughly half of the attendees are SLU fans. So, just letting you know, yes there will be plenty of SLU fans there.
This is simply not true. I've been to every Lake Placid ECACs and the SLU presence is never significant. They are great fans and they travel well, but their pool is just too small. Every SLU fan is an outstanding fan, and Canton gives it everything they have, and I have spent many an evening and many a beer hanging out with them, but they do not have numbers.
Heavy: Cornell, Clarkson, extremely annoyingly Quinnipiac, once upon a time Vermont
Medium: Union, RPI
Small: Colgate, St. Lawrence, Dartmouth
Nearly Zero: Brown, Princeton, Yale even when they were good, Harvard
I really don't mean to be rude, but if you actually think that Quinnipiac has a heavy travel presence in Lake Placid and that Union or RPI bring more fans than SLU then you just plain and simply do not know what you are talking about. I've been going to each and every ECAC tournament since the first go around in Lake Placid back in the 90's, the Atlantic City days, the Albany days etc and SLU and Clarkson and Cornell are the big draws to Lake Placid. Always have been. SLU has made it twice to Lake Placid (since its return) back in 2015 and 2016 and it was partisan, significantly partisan SLU fans compared to the other teams. There were even articles in the local papers commenting on "the significantly partisan SLU turnout" at the time. When SLU/Clarkson met in the Championship game back in 1999 it was a complete sellout (8,200) and about a 50/50 split between fans. It's always been this way and it's pretty much common knowledge (or so I thought it was) that the North Country teams are the big draws for Placid. That's why there have been numerous non-conference games played between SLU and Clarkson at Lake Placid. Not SLU or Clarkson vs Quinnipiac or Union or RPI, SLU vs. Clarkson because that is the big draw there. I don't know what else to say other than that.
RPI has played a midesason, nonconference game vs. Clarkson in LP (1/7/17), also twice vs. Union (I think as part of doubleheaders).
I actually forgot about that Clarkson/RPI game. The Union/RPI games were back in 2010-2011 for the first 2 years of the Halloween Faceoff that they used to do. It was double header with the Union/RPI game first and the SLU/Clarkson game second. I was at both games. Vaguely remember them. The Clarkson/RPI game had an attendance figure of 2,300 compared to the 5,500 listed for SLU/Clarkson games in Lake Placid back in 2013.
I, for one, would welcome a field of SLU, Clarkson, RPI, and us. Much prefer SLU and RPI to Harvard.
Would be rockin'. Considering how bad RPI has been, I start to wonder when it will ever happen again.
I got tickets in the Quinnipiac section, section 24, kittycorner across from the Cornell section (11), because it has the most seats up high, it is the end Cornell attacks period 1 and 3, and in part because I love the irony of a school's broadcast journalism school being named (in part) to honor Ed McMahon (think Jimmy Kimmel's Guillermo). Most of the Q partisans will have decamped to watering holes along Main Street. The St. Lawrence section in the corner near Q, have fewer seats left.
Virtually every seat on the sides not corners is shown as being taken as of Wednesday. That's fabulous for LP tourism and their economy. If it's accurate. Last year's Friday night session drew 3533, half full, and the championship game drew about 1500.
Quote from: billhowardI got tickets in the Quinnipiac section, section 24, kittycorner across from the Cornell section (11), because it has the most seats up high, it is the end Cornell attacks period 1 and 3, and in part because I love the irony of a school's broadcast journalism school being named (in part) to honor Ed McMahon (think Jimmy Kimmel's Guillermo). Most of the Q partisans will have decamped to watering holes along Main Street. The St. Lawrence section in the corner near Q, have fewer seats left.
Virtually every seat on the sides not corners is shown as being taken as of Wednesday. That's fabulous for LP tourism and their economy. If it's accurate. Last year's Friday night session drew 3533, half full, and the championship game drew about 1500.
The championship game attendance last year was actually 3,839.
Quote from: newco113Quote from: billhowardI got tickets in the Quinnipiac section, section 24, kittycorner across from the Cornell section (11), because it has the most seats up high, it is the end Cornell attacks period 1 and 3, and in part because I love the irony of a school's broadcast journalism school being named (in part) to honor Ed McMahon (think Jimmy Kimmel's Guillermo). Most of the Q partisans will have decamped to watering holes along Main Street. The St. Lawrence section in the corner near Q, have fewer seats left.
Virtually every seat on the sides not corners is shown as being taken as of Wednesday. That's fabulous for LP tourism and their economy. If it's accurate. Last year's Friday night session drew 3533, half full, and the championship game drew about 1500.
The championship game attendance last year was actually 3,839.
I don't know, but maybe Bill was referring to the number of people who showed up in the stands and not tickets sold.
Correct, the ECAC site box score has it as 3839, or 49.9% full in a 7700-seat arena, for Colgate's 3-2 win over Harvard a year ago in Placid. I never know if the site publishes tickets sold for the game or people who actually come in.
I'm buying the two-game package but if Cornell loses Friday (unthinkable), we would not perhaps show Saturday, it being a multiple-of-ten anniversary for us. At a place like MSG the vendors certainly want to know how many people actually walked in the door.
I know the image is big, but when there's a Big red C that says 3 and the red H says 2, well, it deserves repeating.
Quote from: billhowardCorrect, the ECAC site box score has it as 3839, or 49.9% full in a 7700-seat arena, for Colgate's 3-2 win over Harvard a year ago in Placid. I never know if the site publishes tickets sold for the game or people who actually come in.
I don't know any venue on the planet anymore that counts people who come in. It's always tickets sold.
Here's what to do in Lake Placid this weekend with Cornell in the ECACs. Before you go: Bring a pair of snow brushes and extra windshield washer fluid. Will not reach 30 all weekend. Snowy Saturday, 5"-8", Lake Placid can handle it no problem.
For visitors, Lake Placid is effectively one street wide, a half mile long: Main Street, the greenish line. (the map points north.) The LP Olympic Center and 7700 seat Herb Brooks Arena marks the southern end of downtown, the yellow circle. Just below the circle is the Olympic speed skating oval and LP HS. Where it says "~parking," that's about where you'll be pushed to park, it's not that far, I don't believe they charge, everybody is friendly because Nobody Gets Rich Working in Lake Placid. Don't yell at them and tip well. Gwen's family has been there since circa 1850 and one relative said the only good jobs in ADK are teacher, snow plow operator and now prison guard.
Most every place to eat is casual and the food is okay. I recommend (walking directions are relative to the rink):
* Best sports bar that holds a crowd, Wise Guys, Main and School Street, just south of the rink/speed skating oval. Lots of TVs in case you want to watch basketball. I've seen the refs there after the game. Be nice.
* Best breakfast, Downtown Diner, ran into Andy Iles' family there a decade ago. 2-3 blocks south of where the skating oval ends.
* Best brew pub, Lake Placid Brew Pub. Walk south 2/3 of the way toward the end of the skating oval, left at the Mobile station onto Mirror Lake Drive, walk one block plus, just before the Hampton Inn. Pretty decent food.
* Best sandwich shop, Big Mountain Deli & Creperie, 2475 Main St, about halfway up Main Street on the right (Mirror Lake) side. Go for lunch or breakfast; closes 3 pm.
* Best sandwich shop (need a car), Saranac Sourdough, 2126 Saranac Ave # 1. At the top of Mains Street, curve left onto Saranac Ave., 6/10 mile on the left. 'til 2 pm, noon Sundays. Run by people who are kin to the alt / sixties / Moosewood-of-Ithaca style, but they do serve sandwiches with meat. Love the place.
* Best (only) big hotel sports bar / pub, Dancing Bears at the High Peaks Resort (nee Hilton for the 1980 Games). Friendly, food is okay to good, holds a lot of people, service was variable last summer (harder to get guest worker visas last couple years) and understaffed at times.
* Live music: Smoke Signals and Zig Zags Pub, both halfway up Main street on the lake side.
A lot of restaurants have changed hands in the past decade, new ones take their place, more Asian fare now. I've never had a terrible meal in LP, relative to price.
If for some reason you need winter gear (like it's colder than you think, or you forgot gloves), EMS on Main Street has people who know their stuff.
As of two years ago, LP Rink let you get a hand stamp and walk out between games, get a drink and burger, see some of the basketball tournament, wander back in. I don't believe MSG lets you do that; instead they put up the facial recognition cams.
Need something else to do? There are a couple small distilleries to tour and taste. Our favorite is Gristmiller Distillers in Keene, 20 minutes southwest of LP on Route 73. Plus small breweries.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: billhowardCorrect, the ECAC site box score has it as 3839, or 49.9% full in a 7700-seat arena, for Colgate's 3-2 win over Harvard a year ago in Placid. I never know if the site publishes tickets sold for the game or people who actually come in.
I don't know any venue on the planet anymore that counts people who come in. It's always tickets sold.
Imagine perfect world if only for a moment, all information available and distributed. So the smallest T-shirt vendor inside MSG has the same information as the Dolan family and determines the low clothing revenues from the tractor-pull-in-MSG-mudpile event was from low attendance relative to ticket sales on a snowy day, versus it being a cheap-ass crowd. It is not going to happen, but it'd be nice.
In Lake Placid, it would be possible to see, and know, what fraction of fans came in for the first game, for the second, and possibly how many first-game attendees left then came back. Add that to all the closed-circuit cams at the entry/exit gates, and they'd know how many game 1 attendees left but didn't return.
In case anyone cared. I care mostly about seeing Lord Stanley's Cup brought back to the ECAC tourney. A lot of kids loved seeing that thing. Me too. It was history up close. I believe it was the year the Miracle on Ice guys came back to LP and they did a Main Street pub crawl to say hi to fans the afternoon of the finals. Geez, those guys, in their 40s, seemed so, ah, normal. Sadly, not all of them are still with us.
Fan cams (of a sort) at MSG, Red Hot Hockey 2023:
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: adamwQuote from: billhowardCorrect, the ECAC site box score has it as 3839, or 49.9% full in a 7700-seat arena, for Colgate's 3-2 win over Harvard a year ago in Placid. I never know if the site publishes tickets sold for the game or people who actually come in.
I don't know any venue on the planet anymore that counts people who come in. It's always tickets sold.
Imagine perfect world if only for a moment, all information available and distributed. So the smallest T-shirt vendor inside MSG has the same information as the Dolan family and determines the low clothing revenues from the tractor-pull-in-MSG-mudpile event was from low attendance relative to ticket sales on a snowy day, versus it being a cheap-ass crowd. It is not going to happen, but it'd be nice.
In Lake Placid, it would be possible to see, and know, what fraction of fans came in for the first game, for the second, and possibly how many first-game attendees left then came back. Add that to all the closed-circuit cams at the entry/exit gates, and they'd know how many game 1 attendees left but didn't return.
In case anyone cared. I care mostly about seeing Lord Stanley's Cup brought back to the ECAC tourney. A lot of kids loved seeing that thing. Me too. It was history up close. I believe it was the year the Miracle on Ice guys came back to LP and they did a Main Street pub crawl to say hi to fans the afternoon of the finals. Geez, those guys, in their 40s, seemed so, ah, normal. Sadly, not all of them are still with us.
Fan cams (of a sort) at MSG, Red Hot Hockey 2023:
For me, "perfect world" doesn't involve anything you just described: extreme tracking of everything, every single bit of consumer datum being analyzed and optimized for max profit, or even queues for metal detectors and cameras everywhere in our Security Theater world and I can't even walk into a drug store to buy gum without being presented with some survey. Also my lawn sure has a lot of kids on it.
How about putting on a good, entertaining event and selling tickets to those who want it? Build it/people come, yadda etc.
(I assume Trotsky has started roadtripping North, so someone has to stand in.)
Sorry, I switched to an LG Gram (<3 pounds, 17-inch screen) and as part of the weight-reduction project, they removed the irony font. My bad.
I was thinking of the little guy getting the same information as the big guy. Like how Toyota shared most all its factory production data with suppliers so they could make parts ever better. Savvy corporations, at least in books about business innovation, move data down from the corporate suite to make for a leaner, more customer-facing business. [Aside: More than a few freshman hockey players are in the Johnson School.]
Against that, you note, People Have No Privacy when cameras watch us everywhere. I believe Scott McNealy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems in the 1980s, was asked about this and said, "Face it, you have no privacy." Man ahead of his times. I see the NJ State Police are installing license plate readers on bridges into NJ from Delaware so the gov't has an idea on which cares enter and exit NJ. The Star-Ledger (initial at least) story did not ask about right to privacy. But if they had, the ready reply would be, "Driving is a privilege, not a right."
Quote from: adamwI don't know any venue on the planet anymore that counts people who come in. It's always tickets sold.
The Mets used to do both: tickets and turnstile. They stopped when MLB threatened them.
Thank you for the great info.
Don't forget skiing at Whiteface during the day. With the snow predicted this weekend, take advantage of it.
I don't know if any practice or events are going on, but the ski jumps and Mt. Van Hoevenberg, the location for the bobsled and luge tracks and cross country ski trails, are all just east of town on Rte 73.
Along with the big mountains, there are also many shorter and easier trails to hike, get some fresh air, and get a taste of the Adirondacks.
The parking lots in town have kiosks to pay.
Lake Placid is a great place. I live 1 1/2 hrs away in VT and go to LP fairly frequently.
Quote from: billhowardSt. Lawrence definitely helps attendance in Lake Placid. Clarkson a bit more.
Clarkson 3700 students
St. Lawrence 2200 students
The best possible ECAC-in-Placid turnout would be Cornell, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and, um, pick one, maybe RPI. It is about 80 miles from Clarkson (+5 for St Lawrence) to Lake Placid but it is dark (well, yeah), twisty road that is not well-striped. Read: It's not that far but it's a bitch of drive home. With the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
She's too busy impeaching Biden and getting university presidents fired to spend much time and attention to something as mundane as roads.
(I'm hoping Congresswoman Stefanik stays in that position and develops enough additional clout to bring wired internet and electricity along our road 15 miles outside LP that has it at both ends, but not the 250 yards in the middle. Yeah, we've got solar and we've got a backup generator, but there's nothing like grid power if you want to add a heat pump. You especially want electric if a government grant pays for it.)
Oh fuck me. Lake Placid predicted low for Saturday: 8. (https://weather.com/weather/weekend/l/USNY0778:1:US)
Quote from: billhoward(I'm hoping Congresswoman Stefanik stays in that position and develops enough additional clout to bring wired internet and electricity along our road 15 miles outside LP that has it at both ends, but not the 250 yards in the middle. Yeah, we've got solar and we've got a backup generator, but there's nothing like grid power if you want to add a heat pump. You especially want electric if a government grant pays for it.)
Apparently the Executive Branch has already addressed the internet issue (https://www.investopedia.com/biden-plan-to-expand-broadband-access-5271697) (but just not yet in Stefank's district). Hummmm.
Quote from: TrotskyOh fuck me. Lake Placid predicted low for Saturday: 8. (https://weather.com/weather/weekend/l/USNY0778:1:US)
And 6" of snow.
That part's good.
Quote from: TrotskyThat part's good.
Maybe.
I don't ski, so as long as the roads are open enough for me to do some birdwatching, it's OK.
OTOH, if we don't win Friday night, they'd better be open enough so I can drive home on Saturday.
a) Fiber is 300 yards away but not getting closer. Our unprovisioned part of the road has our camp with a half dozen buildings and families, one other camp, and about 150 people. Unfortunately 125 of them are veterans of the Revolutionary War and not voting any more. I believe. "Camp" is Adirondack-speak for anything from an open-front lean-to to the places the robber barons built circa 1900.
b) End of the decade availability is good, but what about 2025, day. Starlink works good but it's close to $100 a month and the sucker draws 75 watts which is a big chunk of what our solar panels and a backup battery can handle on a cloudy day.
c) Comprised of? Jeezus, gawd, I thought even a non-AI grammar checker would catch that.
Quote from: Federal officialdomThe $45 billion Internet for All Initiative is comprised of several programs designed to build high-speed broadband infrastructure, teach digital skills, and provide the necessary technology to ensure that everyone in the U.S. is able to fully participate in society. The initiative will draw on resources from the bipartisan infrastructure law known as the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act signed into law by President Biden on Nov. 15, 20
On Main Street, you are never more than 50 feet from the next bar and warming refreshment.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: billhowardSt. Lawrence definitely helps attendance in Lake Placid. Clarkson a bit more.
Clarkson 3700 students
St. Lawrence 2200 students
The best possible ECAC-in-Placid turnout would be Cornell, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and, um, pick one, maybe RPI. It is about 80 miles from Clarkson (+5 for St Lawrence) to Lake Placid but it is dark (well, yeah), twisty road that is not well-striped. Read: It's not that far but it's a bitch of drive home. With the clout of Congresswoman Stefanik in much of the Adirondacks, it's surprising there isn't funding for more highway improvements.
In 2000, it was us, Clarkson, SLU, RPI, and Colgate, which seems just about optimal. Unfortunately for the attendance, Clarkson lost to RPI in the play-in Thursday night.
I don't have the attendance numbers handy.
Clarkson lost to Cornell in that PIG.
Whew! I think that I would have remembered if RPI had ever been at LP for the ECAC tourney since it returned there. It this stage of my life, I am concerned about signs of old age. :)
At this point, we're all old. The two tourneys I was conflating were 2000 and 2002, two of the last three
before the ECACs moved from Placid to Albany. (And I'm pretty sure RPI was at both of them, since I cheered for them against SLU in the final in 2000, and I remember the RPI and Clarkson bands playing the anthems before their game in 2002. And also Cornell beating RPI in the semis that year.)
On the road to Lake Placid with Kim. Wondering how others feel about rooting interest in the SLU vs. Quinnipiac game. Personally I'm rooting for SLU, because I think Cornell has a greater chance of beating them should we beat Dartmouth and make the finals. (And because Quinnipiac is high on my list of teams to dislike.) But I expect some here will be rooting for Quinnipiac, with the logic being that if we beat them in the finals we'd be likely to have a higher seed in the NCAA tourney. It's not even close for me, but wondering how others will be rooting.
Quote from: andyw2100On the road to Lake Placid with Kim. Wondering how others feel about rooting interest in the SLU vs. Quinnipiac game. Personally I'm rooting for SLU, because I think Cornell has a greater chance of beating them should we beat Dartmouth and make the finals. (And because Quinnipiac is high on my list of teams to dislike.) But I expect some here will be rooting for Quinnipiac, with the logic being that if we beat them in the finals we'd be likely to have a higher seed in the NCAA tourney. It's not even close for me, but wondering how others will be rooting.
Rooting for Quinnipiac on the basis that we'd rather be a 3-seed than a 4-seed at the cost of probably not getting into the NCAAs at all is, ummm, an interesting stance to take.
Quote from: andyw2100On the road to Lake Placid with Kim. Wondering how others feel about rooting interest in the SLU vs. Quinnipiac game. Personally I'm rooting for SLU, because I think Cornell has a greater chance of beating them should we beat Dartmouth and make the finals. (And because Quinnipiac is high on my list of teams to dislike.) But I expect some here will be rooting for Quinnipiac, with the logic being that if we beat them in the finals we'd be likely to have a higher seed in the NCAA tourney. It's not even close for me, but wondering how others will be rooting.
With at large hopes at zero, it's about winning the Whitelaw. On paper, SLU would be the preferred opponent if they get by Dartmouth. One or two changed results during the year and we may have needed to see Q in order for Cornell to be in no matter what but that ship sailed.
Nice long game with a few DQs would be fine too.
Quote from: andyw2100On the road to Lake Placid with Kim. Wondering how others feel about rooting interest in the SLU vs. Quinnipiac game. Personally I'm rooting for SLU, because I think Cornell has a greater chance of beating them should we beat Dartmouth and make the finals. (And because Quinnipiac is high on my list of teams to dislike.) But I expect some here will be rooting for Quinnipiac, with the logic being that if we beat them in the finals we'd be likely to have a higher seed in the NCAA tourney. It's not even close for me, but wondering how others will be rooting.
If Q gets upset, it will guarantee two ECAC teams(*) in the NCAAs, which most of us (besides BearLover, of course) would prefer in any event.
(*) Or, for some of us, one "real" ECAC team.
I want the easiest path to the Whitelaw and the NCAA's. That means rooting for SLU.
Despising Q is just a bonus.
Pierre McGuire is doing color on the Q-SLU game. What's he going to do with no Sidney Crosby to moon over? God I was hoping to not be subjected to him again.
I see he coached at SLU many many years ago.
Visual estimate of attendance for SLU-Q is 2000-2500
Quote from: imafrshmnVisual estimate of attendance for SLU-Q is 2000-2500
Have the world-famous Q skating cheerleaders made the trip to North Country?
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: imafrshmnVisual estimate of attendance for SLU-Q is 2000-2500
Have the world-famous Q skating cheerleaders made the trip to North Country?
I am watching the espn broadcast but i did notice a pom-pom squad in the background.
Pierre McGuire and Phil Murphy are the biggest snoozes of announcers i've heard all year. I'd rather have the SLU homers on the mic
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: imafrshmnVisual estimate of attendance for SLU-Q is 2000-2500
Have the world-famous Q skating cheerleaders made the trip to North Country?
Yes - I saw them arrive with the band earlier today
Quote from: arugulaI see he coached at SLU many many years ago.
His son also currently plays for Colgate. He's had interest in the ECAC for quite some and during the 2012-2013 NHL lockout, he had been on color commentary for some NCAA games that were being broadcast nationally.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: arugulaI see he coached at SLU many many years ago.
His son also currently plays for Colgate. He's had interest in the ECAC for quite some and during the 2012-2013 NHL lockout, he had been on color commentary for some NCAA games that were being broadcast nationally.
Including a Harvard game at Lynah with Mike Emrick.
I don't want to jinx it but halfway through the 2nd period, up 1-0, SLU is looking pretty confident and pushing bobcats around all over the ice.
Saints up 1-0 mid-2nd.
2-0 now but reviewing for kick; good goal!
SLU PP goal is good after the refs deemed that a clear as day spear was actually a slash that warranted 2 minutes and not 5
This is getting quite interesting
Announcers just said that St. Lawrence only won one game away from home all season.
Quote from: dbilmesAnnouncers just said that St. Lawrence only won one game away from home all season.
Well, that's before they swept Colgate in Hamilton last week
But 2-0 on the road in the playoffs
Through 2 periods, it looks like Q really didn't come in to this game with a plan other than "we're the better team, and we're already going to the NCAAs". It will be interesting to see how they come out playing in the 3rd, but Kraws is going to be tough to crack.
Oh this would be real nice. Real, real nice. Turned the game on now that wrestling is in a break.
Nice job by Pierre McGuire calling Lynah one of the most difficult rinks to play in!
Quote from: dbilmesNice job by Pierre McGuire calling Lynah one of the most difficult rinks to play in!
Yeah, especially when Dartmouth comes to town!
ENG SLU wow
ENG
I would say it's shocking except recall how tough SLU was in Canton against us and against Q and Q does this every year.
i see lots of ways we are the 11-12 seed whether quin or stl win game one,
Obviously Dartmouth is in the way and SLU is itself a solid team but my god we could not have asked for a better setup than this to redeem the season.
Quote from: arugulaI would say it's shocking except recall how tough SLU was in Canton against us and against Q and Q does this every year.
All these amazing teams and they have 1 ECAC championship.
Flacid in Placid.
Do you believe in Miracles? Yes!!!
Quote from: ugarteObviously Dartmouth is in the way and SLU is itself a solid team but my god we could not have asked for a better setup than this to redeem the season.
Remember Bemidji.
Put away the red jerseys.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteObviously Dartmouth is in the way and SLU is itself a solid team but my god we could not have asked for a better setup than this to redeem the season.
Remember Bemidji.
Put away the red jerseys.
Oh, don't you worry. I was thinking about Bemidji as I typed. I'd be more upset about that game if it felt like we blew a game we dominated but damn if that squad didn't rip us to shreds.
dont make it easy on QUin and take penalties. STL earned it
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteObviously Dartmouth is in the way and SLU is itself a solid team but my god we could not have asked for a better setup than this to redeem the season.
Remember Bemidji.
Put away the red jerseys.
First thing I thought of. Will never forget getting the final score with my family of Cornell alums when we finally got some cell/data service at Phantom Ranch (bottom of the Grand Canyon). What a kick in the nuts.
Quote from: IcebergSLU PP goal is good after the refs deemed that a clear as day spear was actually a slash that warranted 2 minutes and not 5
Spearing in a semifinal. How QU. Brilliant.
Quote from: upprdeckdont make it easy on QUin and take penalties. STL earned it
Brekke's boys found another gear or something, it started showing with the Colgate/Cornell series at Appleton. Impressive run, and now 2 wins vs the 'ticks.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I want the easiest path to the Whitelaw and the NCAA's. That means rooting for SLU.
Despising Q is just a bonus.
I felt like Big Red matched up better with Quinnipiac than the other two teams
One thing about St. Lawrence is they have a ton of seniors on their squad. I was at Appleton for Senior Night and there were about a dozen seniors being honored before the game. That experience has to be a plus in the postseason.
Quote from: VIEWfromKQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I want the easiest path to the Whitelaw and the NCAA's. That means rooting for SLU.
Despising Q is just a bonus.
I felt like Big Red matched up better with Quinnipiac than the other two teams
idk Q lit us up the first time
Cooper Black sounds like it should have a Pantone number.
Quote from: dbilmesNice job by Pierre McGuire calling Lynah one of the most difficult rinks to play in!
Anyone know if Bob Morton is still alive?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteObviously Dartmouth is in the way and SLU is itself a solid team but my god we could not have asked for a better setup than this to redeem the season.
Remember Bemidji.
Put away the red jerseys.
Oh, don't you worry. I was thinking about Bemidji as I typed. I'd be more upset about that game if it felt like we blew a game we dominated but damn if that squad didn't rip us to shreds.
I'd be more upset about that game if I hadn't met my wife that night.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteObviously Dartmouth is in the way and SLU is itself a solid team but my god we could not have asked for a better setup than this to redeem the season.
Remember Bemidji.
Put away the red jerseys.
Oh, don't you worry. I was thinking about Bemidji as I typed. I'd be more upset about that game if it felt like we blew a game we dominated but damn if that squad didn't rip us to shreds.
I'd be more upset about that game if I hadn't met my wife that night.
I guess the next question goes to her.
Since I've seen them mentioned today—the comeback against Princeton in the ECAC semis and the blown opportunity against Bemidji both occurred my freshman year. Quite an introduction to Cornell hockey. At the time, I didn't realize how big of a deal the Bemidji loss was.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: imafrshmnVisual estimate of attendance for SLU-Q is 2000-2500
Have the world-famous Q skating cheerleaders made the trip to North Country?
Yes, they did.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteObviously Dartmouth is in the way and SLU is itself a solid team but my god we could not have asked for a better setup than this to redeem the season.
Remember Bemidji.
Put away the red jerseys.
First thing I thought of. Will never forget getting the final score with my family of Cornell alums when we finally got some cell/data service at Phantom Ranch (bottom of the Grand Canyon). What a kick in the nuts.
Yeah? Try watching it in person.
Quote from: underskillQuote from: dbilmesNice job by Pierre McGuire calling Lynah one of the most difficult rinks to play in!
Anyone know if Bob Morton is still alive?
Bob Norton was alive five years ago when he received an award from the AHCA: https://unhwildcats.com/news/2019/4/30/unh-insider-hockey-coaches-celebrate-nortons-love-of-the-game I can't find an obit for him, so I assume he's still alive (but retired). (Wikipedia's "Bob Norton" article is about someone else and there's no disambiguation page.)
I know a lot of people found Norton annoying (constantly telling us what prep school everyone attended), but I loved his enthusiasm for college hockey, and I thought it was a shame when the NCAA broadcasting jobs were handed over to the ESPN clowns (especially Melrose and Booch).
Even though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively well attended.
Reported attendance for yesterday's semifinals were both given as 4015. If had to guess based on appearances, it was something like 2500 for SLU-Q and 2000 for CU-Dc with something like 500 watching both. With the snowstorm coming in, gonna be tough to bump up the numbers much for the final unless SLU inspired more folks to take a trip. 3000 would be a good number for today all things considered.
Quote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively well attended.
The more I think about it, the more I'm getting perturbed that the ECAC final is
a 5pm start. The ECAC moved its tournament from Boston in the 90s because we started to feel like we were being treated as an "undercard" to HEA. And now we're doing it in our own event space for what? It feels like our event is cheapened. Here's your early-bird special, consolation slot, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
This should be an event for the town, too. Seeing everyone having dinner, getting psyched for the main event. Sun goes down, spotlight is on. Now it's, "do we eat at 4pm or 9pm?" All the businesses have to adjust their shifts.
If this is the first move of the new ECAC Hockey commissioner/administration, I'm not impressed.
Quote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively well attended.
Reported attendance for yesterday's semifinals were both given as 4015. If had to guess based on appearances, it was something like 2500 for SLU-Q and 2000 for CU-Dc with something like 500 watching both. With the snowstorm coming in, gonna be tough to bump up the numbers much for the final unless SLU inspired more folks to take a trip. 3000 would be a good number for today all things considered.
The league did something about it last year in Tampa even if it was by way of the unwanted step child.
Quote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively
Yep, it's something we've come to accept about the ECAC. It's a mid-major conference. Plays great hockey, but it is comprised of (mostly) academic institutions, not sport factories, and most of us wouldn't change that for the world. Sure, we'd like some more national respect and coverage, recruits and shiny things, but it wins championships, produces NHL talent, and has excellent entertainment value. Enjoy it for what it is.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively
Yep, it's something we've come to accept about the ECAC. It's a mid-major conference. Plays great hockey, but it is comprised of (mostly) academic institutions, not sport factories, and most of us wouldn't change that for the world. Sure, we'd like some more national respect and coverage, recruits and shiny things, but it wins championships, produces NHL talent, and has excellent entertainment value. Enjoy it for what it is.
That's fine, but we don't have to act like it. We retreated to this lovely resort town, and can put on our own show for our own fans. 4000-6000 feels about right for our league convention/festival. Let's put on a show rather than show fealty. We have the local attention.
One thing I'm noticing, picking my head out of the sand and looking around for the first time in a while, the (new) CCHA is now noticeably lower tier than the AHA, and with historic programs. They're holding their tournament on campus. I'm super grateful we still have an event like this.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: The RancorQuote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively
Yep, it's something we've come to accept about the ECAC. It's a mid-major conference. Plays great hockey, but it is comprised of (mostly) academic institutions, not sport factories, and most of us wouldn't change that for the world. Sure, we'd like some more national respect and coverage, recruits and shiny things, but it wins championships, produces NHL talent, and has excellent entertainment value. Enjoy it for what it is.
That's fine, but we don't have to act like it. We retreated to this lovely resort town, and can put on our own show for our own fans. 4000-6000 feels about right for our league convention/festival. Let's put on a show rather than show fealty. We have the local attention.
One thing I'm noticing, picking my head out of the sand and looking around for the first time in a while, the (new) CCHA is now noticeably lower tier than the AHA, and with historic programs. They're holding their tournament on campus. I'm super grateful we still have an event like this.
Totally agree. I was confused about the 5:00 start time as well. Must be a basketball thing, was my thought. But We're hockey fans! Why care about that??
Quote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively well attended.
Reported attendance for yesterday's semifinals were both given as 4015. If had to guess based on appearances, it was something like 2500 for SLU-Q and 2000 for CU-Dc with something like 500 watching both. With the snowstorm coming in, gonna be tough to bump up the numbers much for the final unless SLU inspired more folks to take a trip. 3000 would be a good number for today all things considered.
The 4,015 was for the Friday session. They don't combine the 2 games together to get that figure. When you scan your ticket you're counted for both, whether you actually are there or not. There were definitely more people there for the first game though. Was pretty obvious. St. Lawrence had a very good turnout, as expected. Cornell did as well. I actually think there were more Dartmouth fans there than Q, but neither brought much for fans. Should be a great game tonight!
I seem to recall that the Boston Garden was nearly full for the ECAC in the mid 80s. I get that we can't go back there, but how about Barclays or UBS or the Prudential. I'm sure MSG is too pricy. In the highly likely event that Cornell is in the semi finals there will be a strong likely five figure not half empty crowd.
Having the event in small to tiny markets guarantees small to tiny crowds. In NYC you can find 10,000 people to do anything.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively well attended.
The more I think about it, the more I'm getting perturbed that the ECAC final is a 5pm start. The ECAC moved its tournament from Boston in the 90s because we started to feel like we were being treated as an "undercard" to HEA. And now we're doing it in our own event space for what? It feels like our event is cheapened. Here's your early-bird special, consolation slot, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
This should be an event for the town, too. Seeing everyone having dinner, getting psyched for the main event. Sun goes down, spotlight is on. Now it's, "do we eat at 4pm or 9pm?" All the businesses have to adjust their shifts.
If this is the first move of the new ECAC Hockey commissioner/administration, I'm not impressed.
The only positive for 5p is that it makes it easier for folks coming 2-4 hrs to day trip and not get home well after midnight. (And wrestling fans can watch both back to back)
It's otherwise lousy all the way around. Sorry guys playing Friday night. Come back on less than usual rest to play Saturday for a title. But next week you'll have extra rest if you advance at ncaas.
I also think the best of three game 3s on Sunday afternoons are dumb.
Quote from: arugulaI seem to recall that the Boston Garden was nearly full for the ECAC in the mid 80s. I get that we can't go back there, but how about Barclays or UBS or the Prudential. I'm sure MSG is too pricy. In the highly likely event that Cornell is in the semi finals there will be a strong likely five figure not half empty crowd.
Having the event in small to tiny markets guarantees small to tiny crowds. In NYC you can find 10,000 people to do anything.
I've been thinking about this... is it worth it to bring in a ton of truly neutral fans to fill the seats in a bigger market venue, or does that somehow compromise the energy in the building? Our HE and B1G peers somehow manage to cultivate a lot more fans who are not directly connected with the institutions, and sell a sleeker more professional looking show. It helps when you are bigtime in football or basketball and have that legacy of sports branding. To be honest it grosses me out a little bit and i don't think the answer is to imitate them. The answer is to celebrate our own virtues and do what we do best. I'm much happier seeing the bespoke ECAC championship logo at center ice than, say, a River Rat or a Bruins 'B'.
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: arugulaI seem to recall that the Boston Garden was nearly full for the ECAC in the mid 80s. I get that we can't go back there, but how about Barclays or UBS or the Prudential. I'm sure MSG is too pricy. In the highly likely event that Cornell is in the semi finals there will be a strong likely five figure not half empty crowd.
Having the event in small to tiny markets guarantees small to tiny crowds. In NYC you can find 10,000 people to do anything.
I've been thinking about this... is it worth it to bring in a ton of truly neutral fans to fill the seats in a bigger market venue, or does that somehow compromise the energy in the building? Our HE and B1G peers somehow manage to cultivate a lot more fans who are not directly connected with the institutions, and sell a sleeker more professional looking show. It helps when you are bigtime in football or basketball and have that legacy of sports branding. To be honest it grosses me out a little bit and i don't think the answer is to imitate them. The answer is to celebrate our own virtues and do what we do best. I'm much happier seeing the bespoke ECAC championship logo at center ice than, say, a River Rat or a Bruins 'B'.
I got a kick out of seeing the lame Rowdy River Rat on the Barlow goal replay. And the ECAC lives and dies in Albany.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively well attended.
The more I think about it, the more I'm getting perturbed that the ECAC final is a 5pm start. The ECAC moved its tournament from Boston in the 90s because we started to feel like we were being treated as an "undercard" to HEA. And now we're doing it in our own event space for what? It feels like our event is cheapened. Here's your early-bird special, consolation slot, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
This should be an event for the town, too. Seeing everyone having dinner, getting psyched for the main event. Sun goes down, spotlight is on. Now it's, "do we eat at 4pm or 9pm?" All the businesses have to adjust their shifts.
If this is the first move of the new ECAC Hockey commissioner/administration, I'm not impressed.
I remember that in 1996, the final was at 4pm, since we had dinner and drove back to Kingston afterwards. But that was back when there was a Consy, which was at 1pm.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: RichHQuote from: imafrshmnEven though I love ECAC Hockey and would not want to change the conference (except maybe sending Q to HE), it's kind of bothersome how small-time this league looks in the postseason compared to HE and B1G. In football we have seen the B1G and SEC schools claiming that top tier for themselves and it seems like a similar thing is evolving in hockey. HE and B1G conference final fours are very well attended, and also offer much more and better media content. I guess there's not too much that can be done realistically. Lake Placid is still probably the best host for the ECAC. I guess we should be grateful that Lynah is still relatively well attended.
The more I think about it, the more I'm getting perturbed that the ECAC final is a 5pm start. The ECAC moved its tournament from Boston in the 90s because we started to feel like we were being treated as an "undercard" to HEA. And now we're doing it in our own event space for what? It feels like our event is cheapened. Here's your early-bird special, consolation slot, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
This should be an event for the town, too. Seeing everyone having dinner, getting psyched for the main event. Sun goes down, spotlight is on. Now it's, "do we eat at 4pm or 9pm?" All the businesses have to adjust their shifts.
If this is the first move of the new ECAC Hockey commissioner/administration, I'm not impressed.
I remember that in 1996, the final was at 4pm, since we had dinner and drove back to Kingston afterwards. But that was back when there was a Consy, which was at 1pm.
Huh! Fuzzy memories.
"The time of the University of Vermont Victory Parade to the Arena has been changed from 3pm to noon."
I still haven't heard a sporting event laugh so loudly.
To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
Add that to the ridiculous prices for hotels, food, etc. And the fact that almost all of the restaurants are closed when the late game ends. They claim the town supports this but it's really hard to see that in practice.
I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
Quote from: RichH"The time of the University of Vermont Victory Parade to the Arena has been changed from 3pm to noon."
Reminds me of an unfortunately prescient headline in the November 7, 2016 edition of the NY Post -
Clinton calls off Election Night fireworks.
I also heard something interesting at the rink last night. Apparently, Vermont has been trying to get some OOC games with Cornell, but "Cornell's AD was so pissed about UVM leaving the ECAC for Hockey East that he refused to ever allow Cornell to play them."
Maybe our new AD will allow that to happen now?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
Agree
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
Add that to the ridiculous prices for hotels, food, etc. And the fact that almost all of the restaurants are closed when the late game ends. They claim the town supports this but it's really hard to see that in practice.
I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
While there are certain aspects of Lake Placid that are appealing, for the reasons you mention I would prefer Albany or another venue closer to the league's geographic footprint. While the Prudential Center would be a nice geographic fit, I'm not sure an NHL sized arena is appropriate for this league. Any of the AHL arenas in a metropolitan area would seem to be a better choice.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: underskillQuote from: dbilmesNice job by Pierre McGuire calling Lynah one of the most difficult rinks to play in!
Anyone know if Bob Morton is still alive?
Bob Norton was alive five years ago when he received an award from the AHCA: https://unhwildcats.com/news/2019/4/30/unh-insider-hockey-coaches-celebrate-nortons-love-of-the-game I can't find an obit for him, so I assume he's still alive (but retired). (Wikipedia's "Bob Norton" article is about someone else and there's no disambiguation page.)
I know a lot of people found Norton annoying (constantly telling us what prep school everyone attended), but I loved his enthusiasm for college hockey, and I thought it was a shame when the NCAA broadcasting jobs were handed over to the ESPN clowns (especially Melrose and Booch).
I had the pleasure of doing some games with Bob. Still alive somewhere. A really really nice man, and his hockey knowledge was pretty deep. Sure he knew more Eastern guys than West, sure he talked about preps a lot -- but it was all worth it to have his insight and knowledge on the games.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
Add that to the ridiculous prices for hotels, food, etc. And the fact that almost all of the restaurants are closed when the late game ends. They claim the town supports this but it's really hard to see that in practice.
I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
While there are certain aspects of Lake Placid that are appealing, for the reasons you mention I would prefer Albany or another venue closer to the league's geographic footprint. While the Prudential Center would be a nice geographic fit, I'm not sure an NHL sized arena is appropriate for this league. Any of the AHL arenas in a metropolitan area would seem to be a better choice.
OK. Then I vote for Allentown. Plenty of hotels. Good selection of food in the arena. Decent restaurants downtown (and more in the burbs). Only $6 for parking. 3 hours from Ithaca.
And I can sleep in my own bed. ::whistle::
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
Agree
+1
Quote from: arugulaI seem to recall that the Boston Garden was nearly full for the ECAC in the mid 80s. I get that we can't go back there, but how about Barclays or UBS or the Prudential. I'm sure MSG is too pricy. In the highly likely event that Cornell is in the semi finals there will be a strong likely five figure not half empty crowd.
Having the event in small to tiny markets guarantees small to tiny crowds. In NYC you can find 10,000 people to do anything.
No, no, no, no and no.
You put it in a bigger building in places like that, and you will get 5,000 in a 20,000 seat arena, instead of 3,000 in LP - with the potential for more if the teams are right.
I've said it for 30 years - embrace what you are. Lake Placid is what makes the ECAC special. Do the best you can with that and embrace it.
Also - Albany is a sh*thole.
Going somewhere else would not make the ECAC look bigger. It would make it look smaller - because it would still be empty, and also in a stupid town of some sort.
The Big Ten tournament had crowds sometimes of just friends and family. If Michigan/MSU played neutral at Xcel, no one would be there. Vice versa if it was in Detroit. That's why they went to campus sites.
Hockey East has it easy. But if there's years where the wrong teams are there, TD Garden is half full too.
Quote from: adamwAlso - Albany is a sh*thole.
It may be a shithole, but it's
our shithole. ::dribble::
You're right, I guess. I just wish that Lake Placid didn't rip off the fans. The woman checking me in at my hotel yesterday told me that all the hotels look forward to the ECAC tournament...so they can jack up their rates!
Quote from: rediceQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
Agree
+1
Since I live in what could be called East Albany I was in favor of this but I remember a lot who favored L.P. That said I'm sitting just to the right of the band and enjoyed the 3rd period.
Before the switch to Albany I never made it to L.P. in the winter.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
Add that to the ridiculous prices for hotels, food, etc. And the fact that almost all of the restaurants are closed when the late game ends. They claim the town supports this but it's really hard to see that in practice.
I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
I haven't been to placid since before the Albany years. But this is depressing. Sounds like one of the many youth tournaments they host more than a D1 conference championship.
One of the benefits of Placid over Albany is that it can be the main event in town. But if it's not even that, it's really disappointing. A half baked experience will only increase the number of calls to just go on campus.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
Add that to the ridiculous prices for hotels, food, etc. And the fact that almost all of the restaurants are closed when the late game ends. They claim the town supports this but it's really hard to see that in practice.
I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
I haven't been to placid since before the Albany years. But this is depressing. Sounds like one of the many youth tournaments they host more than a D1 conference championship.
One of the benefits of Placid over Albany is that it can be the main event in town. But if it's not even that, it's really disappointing. A half baked experience will only increase the number of calls to just go on campus.
When browsing the stores today I heard 2 or 3 patents with their peewees in tow looking forward to tonight's game. So the youth factor in L.P. obviously puts fans in the seats.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
So I guess the Aubuchon Hardware and "Got Milk?" advertising dollars have dried up?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwAlso - Albany is a sh*thole.
It may be a shithole, but it's our shithole. ::dribble::
You're right, I guess. I just wish that Lake Placid didn't rip off the fans. The woman checking me in at my hotel yesterday told me that all the hotels look forward to the ECAC tournament...so they can jack up their rates!
I agree that sucks - and I've tried to get in the ear of people there to prevent that stuff - but who am I? (don't answer)
For the record, I support LP for the ECAC Tournament - even though getting to Albany, and especially Atlantic City (or MSG/Barclays/Pru) were FAR easier for me to get to personally. AC was a 1-hour drive from where I used to live, and LP is 6 hours, often on bad conditions on Rte. 30. But I don't care - I always gladly made that drive.
Same now - since moving to Denver - it's pretty impossible for me to get to LP. It's killing me I'm not there right now. It would be far easier anywhere else. But I still support LP for the ECAC, 100%, all day every day.
Quote from: adamwFor the record, I support LP for the ECAC Tournament - even though getting to Albany, and especially Atlantic City (or MSG/Barclays/Pru) were FAR easier for me to get to personally. AC was a 1-hour drive from where I used to live, and LP is 6 hours, often on bad conditions on Rte. 30. But I don't care - I always gladly made that drive.
Used to take the train to the Atlantic City tournaments. Always regretted having left my couch to attend the Atlantic City tournaments.
Nice rink! Awful, awful place.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: adamwFor the record, I support LP for the ECAC Tournament - even though getting to Albany, and especially Atlantic City (or MSG/Barclays/Pru) were FAR easier for me to get to personally. AC was a 1-hour drive from where I used to live, and LP is 6 hours, often on bad conditions on Rte. 30. But I don't care - I always gladly made that drive.
Used to take the train to the Atlantic City tournaments. Always regretted having left my couch to attend the Atlantic City tournaments.
Nice rink! Awful, awful place.
I always remember pulling out of the parking garage at night after the games seeing a bunch of strip joints. Awful place indeed.
Meh, who needs all the bells and whistles? We get to cheer for a college hockey team that is nationally ranked on a consistent basis. There are Ivy League schools who don't have hockey or lacrosse teams and therefore are never relevant on a national level athletically ( I went to one as an undergraduate ). Lake Placid is what it is. It's a destination because of its incredible history with respect to USA hockey. Every youth hockey team in the northeast plays in tournaments there. It's pretty centrally located with respect to the ECAC. And the fact that the ECAC is comprised of schools who pride themselves on academics means that neutral sites will not result in big turnouts from the schools who make it. One way to think of it is that instead of making it somewhere central to the schools, themselves, do it in a place that is central to the alumni. NYC - UBS or MSG - probably too much for the number of people that would show. So think Bridgeport at Harbor Yard, or somewhere else medium sized in the greater NY area. I don't know just ideas.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
Add that to the ridiculous prices for hotels, food, etc. And the fact that almost all of the restaurants are closed when the late game ends. They claim the town supports this but it's really hard to see that in practice.
I keep hoping we find some place better than LP, but sadly, I think there's not really a better option. But personally, I'm thinking Albany was better than here.
While there are certain aspects of Lake Placid that are appealing, for the reasons you mention I would prefer Albany or another venue closer to the league's geographic footprint. While the Prudential Center would be a nice geographic fit, I'm not sure an NHL sized arena is appropriate for this league. Any of the AHL arenas in a metropolitan area would seem to be a better choice.
OK. Then I vote for Allentown. Plenty of hotels. Good selection of food in the arena. Decent restaurants downtown (and more in the burbs). Only $6 for parking. 3 hours from Ithaca.
And I can sleep in my own bed. ::whistle::
I know that's an appealing location to you, and the arena is very nice and the right side, but poor geography for the league.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one.
https://ecachockey.com/documents/2024/3/22//Men_s_Championship_Program_2024.pdf
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one.
https://ecachockey.com/documents/2024/3/22//Men_s_Championship_Program_2024.pdf
The fact that someone who cared about the program didn't know of its existence says something. Even after they put together a thorough program, they weren't promoting it enough. They should have had QR codes all over the rink.
If I had paid for advertising in the program, I would have been ticked.
Quote from: pjd8Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one.
https://ecachockey.com/documents/2024/3/22//Men_s_Championship_Program_2024.pdf
The fact that someone who cared about the program didn't know of its existence says something. Even after they put together a thorough program, they weren't promoting it enough. They should have had QR codes all over the rink.
If I had paid for advertising in the program, I would have been ticked.
Agree completely!
Quote from: adamwQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwAlso - Albany is a sh*thole.
It may be a shithole, but it's our shithole. ::dribble::
You're right, I guess. I just wish that Lake Placid didn't rip off the fans. The woman checking me in at my hotel yesterday told me that all the hotels look forward to the ECAC tournament...so they can jack up their rates!
I agree that sucks - and I've tried to get in the ear of people there to prevent that stuff - but who am I? (don't answer)
For the record, I support LP for the ECAC Tournament - even though getting to Albany, and especially Atlantic City (or MSG/Barclays/Pru) were FAR easier for me to get to personally. AC was a 1-hour drive from where I used to live, and LP is 6 hours, often on bad conditions on Rte. 30. But I don't care - I always gladly made that drive.
Same now - since moving to Denver - it's pretty impossible for me to get to LP. It's killing me I'm not there right now. It would be far easier anywhere else. But I still support LP for the ECAC, 100%, all day every day.
Cornell gets 15000 every year at MSG. Why do you think a NYC arena would draw flies for the tournament? Too short notice?
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: adamwQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwAlso - Albany is a sh*thole.
It may be a shithole, but it's our shithole. ::dribble::
You're right, I guess. I just wish that Lake Placid didn't rip off the fans. The woman checking me in at my hotel yesterday told me that all the hotels look forward to the ECAC tournament...so they can jack up their rates!
I agree that sucks - and I've tried to get in the ear of people there to prevent that stuff - but who am I? (don't answer)
For the record, I support LP for the ECAC Tournament - even though getting to Albany, and especially Atlantic City (or MSG/Barclays/Pru) were FAR easier for me to get to personally. AC was a 1-hour drive from where I used to live, and LP is 6 hours, often on bad conditions on Rte. 30. But I don't care - I always gladly made that drive.
Same now - since moving to Denver - it's pretty impossible for me to get to LP. It's killing me I'm not there right now. It would be far easier anywhere else. But I still support LP for the ECAC, 100%, all day every day.
Cornell gets 15000 every year at MSG. Why do you think a NYC arena would draw flies for the tournament? Too short notice?
First of all, the MSG games are always during the Thanksgiving break and a lot of students and alumni are in town and have some free time. Secondly, without Cornell making the field, i doubt they could draw more than 8000
I bet an ECAC championship at MSG with Cornell in it would be ELECTRIC.
(But I'm biased, it's the closest rink to me...)
Quote from: BMacI bet an ECAC championship at MSG with Cornell in it would be ELECTRIC.
(But I'm biased, it's the closest rink to me...)
i think they should play at Barclays
Fair enough but the ECAc at Boston Garden (post HEA split) drew well.
The way I'm thinking about it is that Cornell is by far the largest ECAC school with a huge number of alumni in the NYC area. ECAC instead holds the tournament in a tiny village which is difficult to reach and is near the smallest ECAC schools. Granted if Cornell is not in the final four it may not draw but as I mentioned before you can get a crowd for anything when there are 15 million people in the metro area.
Can someone explain what the problem with Albany was? If you live in the tri-state area it is easily accessible. Lake Placid is not. Many more fans would be able to attend the games if it were held in a more central location like Albany. Was Albany attendance not higher than Lake Placid? Personally, I'm probably never making it up to Lake Placid, but Albany would be easy for me and I'd go most/all years Cornell made it.
Agree.
Quote from: BearLoverCan someone explain what the problem with Albany was? If you live in the tri-state area it is easily accessible. Lake Placid is not. Many more fans would be able to attend the games if it were held in a more central location like Albany. Was Albany attendance not higher than Lake Placid? Personally, I'm probably never making it up to Lake Placid, but Albany would be easy for me and I'd go most/all years Cornell made it.
I am one Cornell fan who attends the tourney in Albany, with or w/o Cornell in it. LP? I have no interest in that & probably never will.
Quote from: arugulaFair enough but the ECAc at Boston Garden (post HEA split) drew well.
These are different times. The GLI used to sell out and be electric - and now they couldn't draw for it, so it was moved to Grand Rapids. Just one example. But almost everywhere, attendance for college hockey events is way down from those days.
Quote from: BearLoverCan someone explain what the problem with Albany was? If you live in the tri-state area it is easily accessible. Lake Placid is not. Many more fans would be able to attend the games if it were held in a more central location like Albany. Was Albany attendance not higher than Lake Placid? Personally, I'm probably never making it up to Lake Placid, but Albany would be easy for me and I'd go most/all years Cornell made it.
Albany attendance was pretty sparse towards the end of the run there, and in a bigger building. And Albany is a sh*thole, as I mentioned.
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: arugulaQuote from: adamwQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: adamwAlso - Albany is a sh*thole.
It may be a shithole, but it's our shithole. ::dribble::
You're right, I guess. I just wish that Lake Placid didn't rip off the fans. The woman checking me in at my hotel yesterday told me that all the hotels look forward to the ECAC tournament...so they can jack up their rates!
I agree that sucks - and I've tried to get in the ear of people there to prevent that stuff - but who am I? (don't answer)
For the record, I support LP for the ECAC Tournament - even though getting to Albany, and especially Atlantic City (or MSG/Barclays/Pru) were FAR easier for me to get to personally. AC was a 1-hour drive from where I used to live, and LP is 6 hours, often on bad conditions on Rte. 30. But I don't care - I always gladly made that drive.
Same now - since moving to Denver - it's pretty impossible for me to get to LP. It's killing me I'm not there right now. It would be far easier anywhere else. But I still support LP for the ECAC, 100%, all day every day.
Cornell gets 15000 every year at MSG. Why do you think a NYC arena would draw flies for the tournament? Too short notice?
First of all, the MSG games are always during the Thanksgiving break and a lot of students and alumni are in town and have some free time. Secondly, without Cornell making the field, i doubt they could draw more than 8000
8000? Without Cornell there, there would be 5000 maybe. And doubtful there would be 15000 with Cornell there even. There's also no chance of it ever happening because of availability and cost.
That's frustrating to learn after the games are over. I asked someone at the door after looking around for a program, and she said there weren't any.
Quote from: cth95That's frustrating to learn after the games are over. I asked someone at the door after looking around for a program, and she said there weren't any.
I agree.
Really two issues. First a more central location, second a better game day presentation. No program just astonishing. That's one of the highlights of sports fandom. Digging through the old boxes and finding a program from a game from 40 years ago.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
That's terrible. I loved my ECAC tournament tshirts from the 90s/00s with the school Logos in them. One even had the rosters of all five (it was in the days of the PiG) teams.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
That's terrible. I loved my ECAC tournament tshirts from the 90s/00s with the school Logos in them. One even had the rosters of all five (it was in the days of the PiG) teams.
I think it's evidence of an extreme reluctance to spend anything on this. The NYC proposals make me laugh. NO CHANCE they would afford the rent on any venue near NYC. I'm sure they take some ORDA funds and try to pocket everything they can. Over/under on concessions windows open in LP: 2.5? Three packs of store brand hot dogs & after that, close.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
That's terrible. I loved my ECAC tournament tshirts from the 90s/00s with the school Logos in them. One even had the rosters of all five (it was in the days of the PiG) teams.
I think it's evidence of an extreme reluctance to spend anything on this. The NYC proposals make me laugh. NO CHANCE they would afford the rent on any venue near NYC. I'm sure they take some ORDA funds and try to pocket everything they can. Over/under on concessions windows open in LP: 2.5? Three packs of store brand hot dogs & after that, close.
There were quite a few stands around the rink itself, but all they had to eat was candy, pretzels, and hot dogs. I saw someone with chicken tenders, too, which I assume came from the attached "restaurant." I also saw "Adirondack Cola" instead of Coke or Pepsi.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
That's terrible. I loved my ECAC tournament tshirts from the 90s/00s with the school Logos in them. One even had the rosters of all five (it was in the days of the PiG) teams.
I think it's evidence of an extreme reluctance to spend anything on this. The NYC proposals make me laugh. NO CHANCE they would afford the rent on any venue near NYC. I'm sure they take some ORDA funds and try to pocket everything they can. Over/under on concessions windows open in LP: 2.5? Three packs of store brand hot dogs & after that, close.
I think you're right. I just wish they would understand that maybe there a happy medium between remote LP and expensive NYC. Bridgeport? Sometimes spending money is you know an investment.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
That's terrible. I loved my ECAC tournament tshirts from the 90s/00s with the school Logos in them. One even had the rosters of all five (it was in the days of the PiG) teams.
I think it's evidence of an extreme reluctance to spend anything on this. The NYC proposals make me laugh. NO CHANCE they would afford the rent on any venue near NYC. I'm sure they take some ORDA funds and try to pocket everything they can. Over/under on concessions windows open in LP: 2.5? Three packs of store brand hot dogs & after that, close.
I think you're right. I just wish they would understand that maybe there a happy medium between remote LP and expensive NYC. Bridgeport? Sometimes spending money is you know an investment.
IMHO the only places that make sense at this point are Placid and Albany.
Albany I get. Centrally located. Why LP?
No shot of alternating campuses like with the ILT? Have exemptions with rinks under a certain capacity? Sucks for Princeton, but who cares? Guaranteed sellouts more than not. Not saying I like it, but just a thought.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
That's terrible. I loved my ECAC tournament tshirts from the 90s/00s with the school Logos in them. One even had the rosters of all five (it was in the days of the PiG) teams.
I think it's evidence of an extreme reluctance to spend anything on this. The NYC proposals make me laugh. NO CHANCE they would afford the rent on any venue near NYC. I'm sure they take some ORDA funds and try to pocket everything they can. Over/under on concessions windows open in LP: 2.5? Three packs of store brand hot dogs & after that, close.
You don't have to spend anything to have apparel unique to the event. I was at a middle school wrestling tournament today, and they had an apparel vendor with logos unique to the event. They iron them onto the shirts, etc, on the spot, so they bring in a variety of standard clothing, and you pick the item and design you want and they do it in front of you. My kid has been getting them ever since he was competing on a junior olympics gymnastics club in first grade. Surely the ECAC can put on an event as good as a local gymnastics club tourney.
Or not.
I, for one, have fond memories of Lake Placid. I was there in 1970, when we completed our 27-O-0 season by besting Clarkson 6-4 in the NCAA finals, after beating Wisconsin 2-1 in the semis. We met and chatted with Dick Bertrand, who was ineligible to play, while in town. We reserved hotel rooms shortly after Cornell's first ECAC game at Lynah, we looked that good!
BTW, Clarkson was still Clarkson Tech in those days, before it became a "University," some time in the 80s.
Lake Placid was great again this year, and I am glad it is our tournament home.
Anne and I have seen us win 7 ECAC titles now. LGR!
Quote from: TrotskyLake Placid was great again this year, and I am glad it is our tournament home.
Anne and I have seen us win 7 ECAC titles now. LGR!
I've seen 7 wins, too. I missed 1986, but saw 1980.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyLake Placid was great again this year, and I am glad it is our tournament home.
Anne and I have seen us win 7 ECAC titles now. LGR!
I've seen 7 wins, too. I missed 1986, but saw 1980.
Seven for me too. (Same seven as Greg.)
But can any of you say you've seen Cornell win the title with three different wives? (This was Kim's first, though she was with me in AC at least once and in Lake Placid at least three times before this year.)
My girlfriend in 1986 was my wife in 1996 and 1997. I was in Albany in 2003 by myself. Wife number two was with me in Albany in 2005 and 2010.
So now that that monkey is off Kim's back I think the next goal is for her to become my wife that has seen Cornell win the MOST Whitelaws.(Better not take another 42 years!)
I haven't seen Cornell win the title with any wives. Unless you count someone else's wife who was sitting near me.
You all are old and crazy.
Quote from: chimpfoodYou all are old and crazy.
Yeah, and your point?
Quote from: andyw2100Seven for me too. (Same seven as Greg.)
But can any of you say you've seen Cornell win the title with three different wives? (This was Kim's first, though she was with me in AC at least once and in Lake Placid at least three times before this year.)
My girlfriend in 1986 was my wife in 1996 and 1997. I was in Albany in 2003 by myself. Wife number two was with me in Albany in 2005 and 2010.
So now that that monkey is off Kim's back I think the next goal is for her to become my wife that has seen Cornell win the MOST Whitelaws.(Better not take another 42 years!)
... mumbles something about you needing to find a new wife if Cornell goes through another title drought ...
Quote from: andyw2100So now that that monkey is off Kim's back
I'll say. Her sentence is served; she can clear the way for wife #4. We thank her for her service. ::banana::
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: andyw2100Seven for me too. (Same seven as Greg.)
But can any of you say you've seen Cornell win the title with three different wives? (This was Kim's first, though she was with me in AC at least once and in Lake Placid at least three times before this year.)
My girlfriend in 1986 was my wife in 1996 and 1997. I was in Albany in 2003 by myself. Wife number two was with me in Albany in 2005 and 2010.
So now that that monkey is off Kim's back I think the next goal is for her to become my wife that has seen Cornell win the MOST Whitelaws.(Better not take another 42 years!)
... mumbles something about you needing to find a new wife if Cornell goes through another title drought ...
TBRW currently running the metrics on Adam Wives to find who was most effective.
Now
that's a Pairwise.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: andyw2100Seven for me too. (Same seven as Greg.)
But can any of you say you've seen Cornell win the title with three different wives? (This was Kim's first, though she was with me in AC at least once and in Lake Placid at least three times before this year.)
My girlfriend in 1986 was my wife in 1996 and 1997. I was in Albany in 2003 by myself. Wife number two was with me in Albany in 2005 and 2010.
So now that that monkey is off Kim's back I think the next goal is for her to become my wife that has seen Cornell win the MOST Whitelaws.(Better not take another 42 years!)
... mumbles something about you needing to find a new wife if Cornell goes through another title drought ...
TBRW currently running the metrics on Adam Wives to find who was most effective.
Now that's a Pairwise.
I want to know how they'll measure "common opponents." ::bolt::
Quote from: TrotskyNow that's a Pairwise.
*Pairwives
Quote from: andyw2100So now that that monkey is off Kim's back
still stuck with one monkey
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: arugulaQuote from: RichHQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82To give you an idea of how second class this tournament feels, there are no programs at the rink and not even a QR code to scan for one (like there was last year). They just didn't bother creating one. Also, there's a single tiny stand selling souvenirs. None of it has the name of the schools on it - all the souvenirs simply have the tournament logo. In other words, the tournament did the bare minimum of preparing for the fans.
That's terrible. I loved my ECAC tournament tshirts from the 90s/00s with the school Logos in them. One even had the rosters of all five (it was in the days of the PiG) teams.
I think it's evidence of an extreme reluctance to spend anything on this. The NYC proposals make me laugh. NO CHANCE they would afford the rent on any venue near NYC. I'm sure they take some ORDA funds and try to pocket everything they can. Over/under on concessions windows open in LP: 2.5? Three packs of store brand hot dogs & after that, close.
I think you're right. I just wish they would understand that maybe there a happy medium between remote LP and expensive NYC. Bridgeport? Sometimes spending money is you know an investment.
IMHO the only places that make sense at this point are Placid and Albany.
Albany at least is a place where most fan bases can make it for the championship game if making a whole weekend out of the tournament isn't an option. The city doesn't have any charm but it offers plenty to do while waiting for the games. It's good enough for the league headquarters. It's good enough to host NCAA regionals from time to time. My family hasn't made the trip to Lake Placid but we have have been to Albany multiple times for Saturday only and for ECAC tournament weekend in 2010 followed by NCAA regional. Someday I hope it returns.
Quote from: chimpfoodYou all are old and crazy.
This really should be the official subtitle of this entire forum.
I used to be less old and less crazy.
"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
I saw the Byrds sing that at Barton Spring Weekend my freshman year.
Great version of My Back Pages here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEIMCWob3U
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
I saw the Byrds sing that at Barton Spring Weekend my freshman year.
Great version of My Back Pages here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEIMCWob3U
I've seen that video. Just seeing George Harrison brings a tear to my eye.
Nice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
The announcer called him Ca-stang-a. They don't have Italians in Burlington?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
The announcer called him Ca-stang-a. They don't have Italians in Burlington?
Even if there aren't any Italians in Burlington, Game Notes provides a PRUH-NUHN-SEE-AY-SHN GUIDE: KUH-stan-yuh.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
The announcer called him Ca-stang-a. They don't have Italians in Burlington?
'erb Brooks Arena funnier to me
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
The announcer called him Ca-stang-a. They don't have Italians in Burlington?
'erb Brooks Arena funnier to me
I thought I heard that!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
The announcer called him Ca-stang-a. They don't have Italians in Burlington?
If you ever want to have a good time, ask South Dakotans to pronounce "DiGiuseppe".
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
The announcer called him Ca-stang-a. They don't have Italians in Burlington?
If you ever want to have a good time, ask South Dakotans to pronounce "DiGiuseppe".
::woot::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioNice TV station recap of the championship: https://youtu.be/0YcQdaYE-2E?si=qNjuaODQj01FSCEH
The announcer called him Ca-stang-a. They don't have Italians in Burlington?
They certainly do lol. I grew up in the Burlington area. In my high school we had some actual italians from italy; the father worked for rossignol and had moved over here on temporary assignment while i ws in HS. Three brothers: Franco, Guido, and Ducho. Franco taught us how to swear in Italian, which was useful, because at the time you could get defaulted from a HS tennis match for cursing, and noone on any other team had a clue wtf we were shouting out. (Our coach had to pretend not to know either...)
However, in one of my favorite evergreen stories, during the last week of school our senior year, they let a few of the international students do part of the morning PA announcements in native language and then English. Franco read his properly but then adlibbed an insult hurled at one of the guys on the tennis team- we'll call him Joe Smith - something like "Joe Smith ... cazzo corte y tota la figa puzza"
Granted my transliteration is probably off, but google it for the gist. Needless to say, the only people laughing in the school were those of us on the tennis team and Franco's siblings. The only one NOT laughing was the Spanish teacher who absolutely knew some Italian and she wasn't happy. They made the kid apologize the next morning on the PA to anyone he might have offended the prior day, which of course made it worse because then there were 1000 students asking wtf the guy had done the day before. Good times!
There was also an italian family down the block from me. The parents had come over before the kids were born, but they gave all the kids like 4 or 5 names that were all incredibly italian sounding. The biggest cheers at graduation always happened when one of their names got read off because they were so freeking long and alliterative. (two of whom were also at Cornell at the same time I was)
Seriously tho, we get the absolute rookies of sports broadcasting on the locals here. And relatively speaking, that guy seems far better than the average for the market.