Is tonight's game being televised anywhere? TIA
They've always been streamed before.
Supposedly ESPN+
Schafer healthy?
Quote from: arugulaSchafer healthy?
Apparently. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yszJC9kQRBg&t=3s) (Stay to the very end.)
The game is listed as starting at 8:10 EST on ESPN+
Bancroft is skating in warm-ups so that's a good sign
The WHCU broadcast is pre-empting the regular radio show of an actual Nazi, Sebastian Gorka (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-04-24/ty-article/sebastian-gorkas-ties-to-nazi-allied-group-stretch-back-decades/0000017f-e773-d97e-a37f-f7773bcd0000).
That's nice.
BU sweaters look like throw backs. Nice.
Edit: they are -- 1950 sweaters. Very nice. No garbage except the HE logo.
BU announcers know our guys' names.
Quote from: TrotskyBU announcers know our guys' names.
They look like a clown show but know the game and the teams.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyBU announcers know our guys' names.
They look like a clown show but know the game and the teams.
You didn't like the guy sporting the Pru Leith red jacket and 14-inch wide gold tie?
Peter Griffin on the play-by-play
Quote from: CU2007Peter Griffin on the play-by-play
7 years I lived there. Every other asshole sounds just like him.
And that's only the women.
These guys stickhandle like a professional team. Good thing they don't appear to have a clue about positional play.
Yikes. Great save Shane on that afterthought backhand tip.
Soft call on BU. I'm not proud.
We should study the BU pp.
We look more organized; they look more talented, faster, bigger, and more aggressive.
Welp, we're lucky to be tied. God bless Shaner.
Celebrini is scary. This was my point a few weeks ago. Obviously there is a chasm between the skill level of the NHL and college. Tonight you see part of that. BU has highly skilled individuals. We can win this but it has to be a tactical masterpiece and we just take advantage of the few chances we get.
BU sweaters are great.
Seger 7-1 on faceoff.
Castagna is definitely special with skill, and good to see him being responsible on defense.
The last 5 minutes we've looked... good.
On that goal, most of the Red abandoned the zone while the puck was still there. It was a 2 on 0 or 2 on 1 down low. Sloppy.
Much better period.
Other results are killing us too.
Quote from: arugulaOn that goal, most of the Red abandoned the zone while the puck was still there. It was a 2 on 0 or 2 on 1 down low. Sloppy.
Culmination of several mistakes, after that really nice stretch. A shame.
Quote from: arugulaOther results are killing us too.
Tis the season.
Yes. We only have like 6 "difficult" games on the schedule—meaning ones that could help sos and pwr. We can't lose them all plus losing to the Princetons of the world. Oy.
Tonight isn't over yet.
This color guy is an inbred homer, but he has said some pretty interesting things when he wasn't channeling an angry BU undergrad.
OK, let's convert this. We need this.
I guess the refs will keep giving us chances until we get it right.
Cornell timeout before a power play where the coaches carefully explain that you are, under no circumstances, to shoot.
Quote from: TrotskyThis color guy is an inbred homer, but he has said some pretty interesting things when he wasn't channeling an angry BU undergrad.
I'm fascinated how these homers lack total self awareness regarding how ridiculous they can sound.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyThis color guy is an inbred homer, but he has said some pretty interesting things when he wasn't channeling an angry BU undergrad.
I'm fascinated how these homers lack total self awareness regarding how ridiculous they can sound.
They're giving the slobs what they want. It's a tactic to appeal to eye balls.
YES, MOTHERFUCKER!!!
I really, really hate the "fancam"
Quote from: dag14I really, really hate the "fancam"
It's better with less unattractive fanbases.
Great kill.
WOOOOOOO
And even up #2 right on time.
Cornell 31-17 on faceoffs.
Very nice kill.
Great win!
Woohoo! I'm not sure how we did that, but, we did that.
Nicely done. The game winner was a beauty.
LETS GOOOO
(Although broadcast says 3-2 BU lmfao)
Shanes's best game of the year so far, hand's down
Hard to overstate how huge that win is. Beating #1 in the pairwise is gonna be a big help. Let's sweep colgate and go into break happy.
Jason on the Voice of Treason with the recap.
Shane's 35 saves were definitely the difference.
Quote from: IcebergShanes's best game of the year so far, hand's down
Oh fuck yes, he was amazing.
Quote from: chimpfoodHard to overstate how huge that win is. Beating #1 in the pairwise is gonna be a big help. Let's sweep colgate and go into break happy.
So, we were #27 before the win. We shall see...
18 saves in the third. Wow.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodHard to overstate how huge that win is. Beating #1 in the pairwise is gonna be a big help. Let's sweep colgate and go into break happy.
So, we were #27 before the win. We shall see...
#21 on USCHO.
Quote from: ugarteCornell timeout before a power play where the coaches carefully explain that you are, under no circumstances, to shoot.
negging works. lgr.
Cornell extends it's winning record (26-23-3) against BU (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Games_vs_Opponent/rptCornell_Games_vs_BU.pdf).
Quote from: dag14I really, really hate the "fancam"
So does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
Quote from: TrotskyTonight isn't over yet.
You were correct sir
The games at MSG always have additional stoppages due to broadcast commercials. Definitely not a Hockey East thing
Quote from: chimpfoodHard to overstate how huge that win is. Beating #1 in the pairwise is gonna be a big help. Let's sweep colgate and go into break happy.
You would think but only up to 21
Quote from: martyQuote from: dag14I really, really hate the "fancam"
So does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
I think when they've had these games at MSG the rink staff just sticks to the NHL ice-cleaning rules for whatever reason -- 3 per period vs. 1 per period under NCAA rules. The stoppages were when they would've been for an NHL game.
Quote from: IcebergThe games at MSG always have additional stoppages due to broadcast commercials. Definitely not a Hockey East thing
My confusion is that I was watching the ESPN+ broadcast and all I saw was Fan Cam. I scratched my bald head as I longed for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
Was the game also on the MSG cable channel?
Quote from: WederQuote from: martyQuote from: dag14I really, really hate the "fancam"
So does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
I think when they've had these games at MSG the rink staff just sticks to the NHL ice-cleaning rules for whatever reason -- 3 per period vs. 1 per period under NCAA rules.
That makes sense. It's in the contract.
Quote from: martyQuote from: WederQuote from: martyQuote from: dag14I really, really hate the "fancam"
So does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
I think when they've had these games at MSG the rink staff just sticks to the NHL ice-cleaning rules for whatever reason -- 3 per period vs. 1 per period under NCAA rules.
That makes sense. It's in the contract.
The NHL ice cleaning is also much more extensive than what they do in NCAA play, so that accounted for the long breaks.
Just back from MSG and watching some of the broadcast on demand. God I Love Bernie Corbett.
Terrific crowd if well below a sellout.
Quote from: martyQuote from: dag14I really, really hate the "fancam"
So does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
I was wondering why there were so many timeouts. It didn't make sense given the game wasn't televised. It allowed BU to double shift their best players, particularly L. Hutson and A. Celebrini, the entire game.
It was a great atmosphere at MSG. That, coupled with the result, made tonight one of the most exciting nights to be a Cornell hockey fan in recent history.
Quote from: WederQuote from: martyQuote from: WederQuote from: martyQuote from: dag14I really, really hate the "fancam"
So does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
I think when they've had these games at MSG the rink staff just sticks to the NHL ice-cleaning rules for whatever reason -- 3 per period vs. 1 per period under NCAA rules.
That makes sense. It's in the contract.
The NHL ice cleaning is also much more extensive than what they do in NCAA play, so that accounted for the long breaks.
The ice at MSG is notoriously shitty so I'm sure it was appreciated by the players.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: martySo does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
I was wondering why there were so many timeouts. It didn't make sense given the game wasn't televised. It allowed BU to double shift their best players, particularly L. Hutson and A. Celebrini, the entire game ...
It
was televised on ESPN+. Now if only we can get NIL to apply to Fan Cam, we might get to watch a hockey game.
The Sun reported the game in great detail https://cornellsun.com/2023/11/25/mens-hockey-defeats-no-5-boston-university/
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: martySo does Hockey East have additional time outs during the regular season broadcasts or were these effing Fan Cam Can Cans designed to encourage folks to buy $15 beers?
I wasn't listening to WHCU. Did they run commercials during the extra down time?
I was wondering why there were so many timeouts. It didn't make sense given the game wasn't televised. It allowed BU to double shift their best players, particularly L. Hutson and A. Celebrini, the entire game ...
It was televised on ESPN+. Now if only we can get NIL to apply to Fan Cam, we might get to watch a hockey game.
I meant televised on actual TV. The games on ESPN+ tend to have one commercial timeout per period. Games on actual TV tend to have three commercial timeouts per period (at least pro games and college games in the NCAA tournament). Tonight's game had three per period.
Quote from: arugulaWe can win this but it has to be a tactical masterpiece and we just take advantage of the few chances we get.
Just wanted to highlight this. Was it a tactical masterpiece? No. But the D got their asses in line and Shane came up big where he had to. One particular toe save in the 3rd stood out to me. And the PP showed signs of actual creative movement. Keep that going.
Quote from: TrotskyCornell extends it's winning record (26-23-3) against BU (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Games_vs_Opponent/rptCornell_Games_vs_BU.pdf).
And moves the "Red Hot Hockey" record to 4-3-2 after starting it 0-3-2.
Quote from: arugulaJust back from MSG and watching some of the broadcast on demand. God I Love Bernie Corbett.
Terrific crowd if well below a sellout.
I bought my ticket at 7:20pm. Available tickets at that time were very sparsely scattered across approximately a dozen sections, and I thought a majority of the tickets left were from resellers. They closed the extreme upper deck and bridge seats. It was much more full than in the recent past, and as noted the crowd was terrific.
Quote from: David HardingThe Sun reported the game in great detail https://cornellsun.com/2023/11/25/mens-hockey-defeats-no-5-boston-university/
That is a great write up. Good job to those writers.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: David HardingThe Sun reported the game in great detail https://cornellsun.com/2023/11/25/mens-hockey-defeats-no-5-boston-university/
That is a great write up. Good job to those writers.
Hopefully to be updated with quotes
Quote from: martyQuote from: IcebergThe games at MSG always have additional stoppages due to broadcast commercials. Definitely not a Hockey East thing
My confusion is that I was watching the ESPN+ broadcast and all I saw was Fan Cam. I scratched my bald head as I longed for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
Was the game also on the MSG cable channel?
I'm pretty sure that for MSG games, it's just whatever is on the Jumbotron with the announcers audio piped in (hence the ugly power play/goal text animations, get loud animations, fan cam, and the random 20 second times with just the red hot hockey logo)
Schafer's postgame presser is up on Cornell's Athletics write up of the game
Quote from: DuncQuote from: martyQuote from: IcebergThe games at MSG always have additional stoppages due to broadcast commercials. Definitely not a Hockey East thing
My confusion is that I was watching the ESPN+ broadcast and all I saw was Fan Cam. I scratched my bald head as I longed for the East Hill Car Wash jingle.
Was the game also on the MSG cable channel?
I'm pretty sure that for MSG games, it's just whatever is on the Jumbotron with the announcers audio piped in (hence the ugly power play/goal text animations, get loud animations, fan cam, and the random 20 second times with just the red hot hockey logo)
I think that the explanation that MSG just treats the time outs as if it were an NHL game is the best explanation. I was simply wondering why there were so many time outs.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: David HardingThe Sun reported the game in great detail https://cornellsun.com/2023/11/25/mens-hockey-defeats-no-5-boston-university/
That is a great write up. Good job to those writers.
And the Cornell highlight crew did a great job
here! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpZ-CTC--6U)The
post game interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE_4ZZAkIbw) is worth a watch too.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: arugulaJust back from MSG and watching some of the broadcast on demand. God I Love Bernie Corbett.
Terrific crowd if well below a sellout.
I bought my ticket at 7:20pm. Available tickets at that time were very sparsely scattered across approximately a dozen sections, and I thought a majority of the tickets left were from resellers. They closed the extreme upper deck and bridge seats. It was much more full than in the recent past, and as noted the crowd was terrific.
That's the thing. They didn't sell the blue seats or the bridge so available seats were mostly sold but they didn't sell whole building. Attendance was around 15,200. Building holds 18,200 for hockey. More than good enough.
My daughter got her pair late yesterday in the lower bowl for below face.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: arugulaWe can win this but it has to be a tactical masterpiece and we just take advantage of the few chances we get.
Just wanted to highlight this. Was it a tactical masterpiece? No. But the D got their asses in line and Shane came up big where he had to. One particular toe save in the 3rd stood out to me. And the PP showed signs of actual creative movement. Keep that going.
I was wrong. We picked up our forecheck and played more aggressively and lo and behold were able to keep up. Shane was great. The pp finally got out of its own way.
Thoughts about Caron? It was an interesting reversal. In the past two years we would dominate Brown and Caron would keep them
close. Today BU mostly controlled the first two half of the game and Shane kept us close.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: RichHQuote from: arugulaWe can win this but it has to be a tactical masterpiece and we just take advantage of the few chances we get.
Just wanted to highlight this. Was it a tactical masterpiece? No. But the D got their asses in line and Shane came up big where he had to. One particular toe save in the 3rd stood out to me. And the PP showed signs of actual creative movement. Keep that going.
I was wrong. We picked up our forecheck and played more aggressively and lo and behold were able to keep up. Shane was great. The pp finally got out of its own way.
The defense is maturing nicely. As I said last week, it's got to be a bear to feel everything needs work. There are a finite number of practice hours in a week.
Quote from: martyThat makes sense. It's in the contract.
I started watching Ranger hockey at MSG in the mid-50s. In those days, four guys on skates, with those plow-like shovels, would clear the snow off the ice. They were followed by another four guys on skates pushing two ice-making contraptions. They were essentially 55-gallon drums on wheels or skids that spread water on the cleared ice. Zambonis were in general use everywhere else, so why not at MSG? I was told it was because of a union contract.
I thought it was a great crowd. Does Cornell bring recruits to MSG? Would like to think it helps up Cornell's appeal. Some random observations from the game:
Shortly after Walsh's tying goal Cornell had to play defense with one stickless player and a one legged skater because the former's stick got harpooned through the skate blade hole of the latter. I've watched a lot of hockey and don't remember seeing that happen to teammates before.
Also, unless I missed one, there were no shots off the pipes or crossbar. That struck me for some reason. Maybe in my head I think hitting the iron happens more than it does.
There's no doubt that Schafer still has a fire in his belly. He left the ice for a moment after meeting with BU's coaches and as he headed for the door he did a fist pump and then a full throated "yeah!" or roar (no way to hear what came out of his mouth but he put all his lungs into it).
Quote from: arugulaThoughts about Caron? It was an interesting reversal. In the past two years we would dominate Brown and Caron would keep them
close. Today BU mostly controlled the first two half of the game and Shane kept us close.
Caron played well but Shane was definitely better. The former has gotten some criticism from BU folks this season and I'm not convinced he doesn't give up more goals if Cornell doesn't have more quality opportunities during the game. He let up some rebounds that a Cornell player either overskated or the puck was bouncy and it was hard to finish. Either way, I'm sure he's glad to play in front of a talented BU team rather than whatever teams Brown had managed to muster during his years in Providence
Unorganized notes:
Crowd was great
Ian Shane for Hobey
Goal line clearance in the first period was incredible
Shane lost his stick like three times and scrambled quickly to grab it. I'm still scarred from Scrivens letting a goal in that way but Shane is clearly just a faster skater.
I wonder what coach said during the first intermission. Or BU got gassed.... Because the second period was SO much better. Our guys are fast and big and when they're hustling it's a sight to see.
The first power play has a lovely shot up the middle, following some quick puck movement, that gave me hope.
They were SO excited to win that game. Love to see it. Screw BU.
Quote from: George64Quote from: martyThat makes sense. It's in the contract.
I started watching Ranger hockey at MSG in the mid-50s. In those days, four guys on skates, with those plow-like shovels, would clear the snow off the ice. They were followed by another four guys on skates pushing two ice-making contraptions. They were essentially 55-gallon drums on wheels or skids that spread water on the cleared ice. Zambonis were in general use everywhere else, so why not at MSG? I was told it was because of a union contract.
They were probably the same guys who shoveled up the elephant shit when the circus came to MSG.
BTW, I'm referring to the prior incarnation of MSG.
Like many other New Yorkers, my family moved to Nassau County in the early 50s. Some of my high school friends and I would get a ride to 179th Street in Queens and catch the subway to MSG. The old Garden had a true balcony with general admission seating. Tickets were $2.50 — $1.25 with a student ID.
First row seats were terrific, but some guys from Jersey would get there earlier and stake out the whole row at center ice for their friends. We sat in the second row. Who's going to argue with some guys from Jersey?
How fortunate I was to get accepted at a school with a hockey team, although mediocre until god appeared in Ithaca in 1963!
Quote from: DafatoneNicely done. The game winner was a beauty.
Hopefully, this will be the start of a nice run for Psenicka.
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: David HardingThe Sun reported the game in great detail https://cornellsun.com/2023/11/25/mens-hockey-defeats-no-5-boston-university/
That is a great write up. Good job to those writers.
And the Cornell highlight crew did a great job here! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpZ-CTC--6U)
The post game interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE_4ZZAkIbw) is worth a watch too.
Both really great! Thanks!
Quote from: BearLoverI meant televised on actual TV. The games on ESPN+ tend to have one commercial timeout per period. Games on actual TV tend to have three commercial timeouts per period (at least pro games and college games in the NCAA tournament). Tonight's game had three per period.
Speaking about the ads, why were there no Cornell ads? In the past, the school ads were split evenly between both schools. I'm pretty sure there wasn't a single Cornell ad shown last night.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: David HardingThe Sun reported the game in great detail https://cornellsun.com/2023/11/25/mens-hockey-defeats-no-5-boston-university/
That is a great write up. Good job to those writers.
Hopefully to be updated with quotes
Honestly, I never think quotes add anything. They are the cliche scene from Bull Durham. They have zero value.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: BearLoverI meant televised on actual TV. The games on ESPN+ tend to have one commercial timeout per period. Games on actual TV tend to have three commercial timeouts per period (at least pro games and college games in the NCAA tournament). Tonight's game had three per period.
Speaking about the ads, why were there no Cornell ads? In the past, the school ads were split evenly between both schools. I'm pretty sure there wasn't a single Cornell ad shown last night.
They showed one on the jumbotron right before the anthem but that's it. Also, they didn't show any famous or notable administrators or alumni from either school except Mike Eruzione. I guess Moore, Pollack, etc. decided to skip the game this year?
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: BearLoverI meant televised on actual TV. The games on ESPN+ tend to have one commercial timeout per period. Games on actual TV tend to have three commercial timeouts per period (at least pro games and college games in the NCAA tournament). Tonight's game had three per period.
Speaking about the ads, why were there no Cornell ads? In the past, the school ads were split evenly between both schools. I'm pretty sure there wasn't a single Cornell ad shown last night.
They showed one on the jumbotron right before the anthem but that's it. Also, they didn't show any famous or notable administrators or alumni from either school except Mike Eruzione. I guess Moore, Pollack, etc. decided to skip the game this year?
Moore was there and posted a bunch of pictures and videos on her Instagram account.
I'm very happy Cornell won last night and I had a great time at the game. But the performance did not inspire confidence for the rest of the year. Looking at the chances Cornell gave up, BU easily could have had four or five goals. Even though Cornell did finally score on the PP, it came when a puck popped out to Walsh from the half-wall, rather than set up by a passing play. The PP did look somewhat better but it still needs to vastly improve. I think the game would have been very ugly if not for Shane.
It was a great crowd and atmosphere at MSG. 15,289 was an excellent turnout. St. John's basketball drew 14,188 when they played Michigan at MSG two weeks ago. Great comments by Mike in the postgame on alumni support.
Quote from: BearLoverI'm very happy Cornell won last night and I had a great time at the game. But the performance did not inspire confidence for the rest of the year. Looking at the chances Cornell gave up, BU easily could have had four or five goals. Even though Cornell did finally score on the PP, it came when a puck popped out to Walsh from the half-wall, rather than set up by a passing play. The PP did look somewhat better but it still needs to vastly improve. I think the game would have been very ugly if not for Shane.
I think this is the difference between teams that should win and teams that do win.
Ideally, you'd like to be both (2003, 2020). But we have seen editions of each in our time: teams that were stacked and clearly superior in personnel that repeatedly fell short (1991, 2018), and teams that were fine but not exceptional yet had some sort of extra gear or killer instinct that made them as tough as cockroaches (1986, 1996).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverI'm very happy Cornell won last night and I had a great time at the game. But the performance did not inspire confidence for the rest of the year. Looking at the chances Cornell gave up, BU easily could have had four or five goals. Even though Cornell did finally score on the PP, it came when a puck popped out to Walsh from the half-wall, rather than set up by a passing play. The PP did look somewhat better but it still needs to vastly improve. I think the game would have been very ugly if not for Shane.
I think this is the difference between teams that should win and teams that do win.
Ideally, you'd like to be both (2003, 2020). But we have seen editions of each in our time: teams that were stacked and clearly superior in personnel that repeatedly fell short (1991, 2018), and teams that were fine but not exceptional yet had some sort of extra gear or killer instinct that made them as tough as cockroaches (1986, 1996).
Yes! Of course BU is more talented but the takeaway here is the fortitude and the commitment to the process. Of course Shane kept us in position but the team kept coming. I think it augurs very well because we are unlikely to see any team like BU until hopefully the NCAA. This should give us a boost and I'd like to see us take care of Colgate next week. Schaf's job is to get the team refocused.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverI'm very happy Cornell won last night and I had a great time at the game. But the performance did not inspire confidence for the rest of the year. Looking at the chances Cornell gave up, BU easily could have had four or five goals. Even though Cornell did finally score on the PP, it came when a puck popped out to Walsh from the half-wall, rather than set up by a passing play. The PP did look somewhat better but it still needs to vastly improve. I think the game would have been very ugly if not for Shane.
I think this is the difference between teams that should win and teams that do win.
Ideally, you'd like to be both (2003, 2020). But we have seen editions of each in our time: teams that were stacked and clearly superior in personnel that repeatedly fell short (1991, 2018), and teams that were fine but not exceptional yet had some sort of extra gear or killer instinct that made them as tough as cockroaches (1986, 1996).
I think I disagree both with the specific example (the 2018 team got a 1-seed in the NCAA tournament and lost six games the entire season including playoffs) as well as the general point. Cornell was badly outplayed last night, except in goal. Cornell could point to the Dartmouth, Harvard, and Princeton games this season where the reverse was true. I don't think that's due to some quality of any team having a killer instinct or being touch as cockroaches. Rather, that's just hockey. Hockey games have a lot of puck luck. You try to possess the puck and get shots on net and be positionally sound on defense and play well in goal, and let the chips fall where they may. BU has better talent than Cornell and has a lot of seniors and graduate students. They are faster and more skilled and Pandolfo gets them to actually play defense. But BU scored on one of their 10-15 grade-A chances, while Cornell scored on two of their five or so grade-A chances. On multiple occasions the puck was literally behind Shane, but didn't go into the net. Cornell was fortunate to win last night just as they were unfortunate to lose/tie vs Dartmouth/Harvard/Princeton. I think a lot of euphemisms about "finding a way to win" are just attempts to explain away puck luck.
I will never argue against this:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sports.png)
Quote from: TrotskyBut we have seen editions of each in our time: teams that were stacked and clearly superior in personnel that repeatedly fell short (1991, 2018), and teams that were fine but not exceptional yet had some sort of extra gear or killer instinct that made them as tough as cockroaches (1986, 1996).
Your distinction is fine, but I will quibble. 1996 had fantastic talent: Chartrand, Drouin, Sancimino, et al.; 1997 had no business winning a championship and taking North Dakota as deep into the third as they did. Tough as nails.
Quote from: TrotskyI will never argue against this:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sports.png)
ok but here BL is the one speaking in tangibles - a combination of stats and eye test - and you are responding with ineffable characteristics that even by your own standards wouldn't explain the last two weekends. if this team relied on grit, we don't honk away games we are dominating against mediocrities.
I thought there was a lot to like about last night (Shane and Robertson; Pseniczka finally having a puck stay flat for him; snipe from Walsh) but a lot of tense moments followed by genuflecting at our goalie, who stood on his head.
Last night showed both the potential of the team and a lot they have to work on. I am still annoyed at their terror at any forecheck and we have ONE player on the team who likes - actually
likes - to shoot the puck (Bancroft) and every time he's on the wing with space, whoever is passing it to him handcuffs him so he can't one-time it. Morgan Barron would have killed someone by now.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverI'm very happy Cornell won last night and I had a great time at the game. But the performance did not inspire confidence for the rest of the year. Looking at the chances Cornell gave up, BU easily could have had four or five goals. Even though Cornell did finally score on the PP, it came when a puck popped out to Walsh from the half-wall, rather than set up by a passing play. The PP did look somewhat better but it still needs to vastly improve. I think the game would have been very ugly if not for Shane.
I think this is the difference between teams that should win and teams that do win.
Ideally, you'd like to be both (2003, 2020). But we have seen editions of each in our time: teams that were stacked and clearly superior in personnel that repeatedly fell short (1991, 2018), and teams that were fine but not exceptional yet had some sort of extra gear or killer instinct that made them as tough as cockroaches (1986, 1996).
Yes! Of course BU is more talented but the takeaway here is the fortitude and the commitment to the process. Of course Shane kept us in position but the team kept coming. I think it augurs very well because we are unlikely to see any team like BU until hopefully the NCAA. This should give us a boost and I'd like to see us take care of Colgate next week. Schaf's job is to get the team refocused.
Had to preserve the homer calling the
GWG (https://youtu.be/D5urGsfFUYI) a weird bounce.
Eruzione looked sleepy or a little bit out of it when the camera initially turned to him. Dave Silk, of the 1980 US Olympic team and BU the three years before that, was next to him.
Quote from: JohnF81It was a great crowd and atmosphere at MSG. 15,289 was an excellent turnout. St. John's basketball drew 14,188 when they played Michigan at MSG two weeks ago. Great comments by Mike in the postgame on alumni support.
15,289/18,006 MSG hockey seating = 85% full Saturday night. I thought it felt much fuller than that, but I cannot fathom an arena ever undercounting. Might be it includes tickets sold but game not attended.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: JohnF81It was a great crowd and atmosphere at MSG. 15,289 was an excellent turnout. St. John's basketball drew 14,188 when they played Michigan at MSG two weeks ago. Great comments by Mike in the postgame on alumni support.
15,289/18,006 MSG hockey seating = 85% full Saturday night. I thought it felt much fuller than that, but I cannot fathom an arena ever undercounting. Might be it includes tickets sold but game not attended.
They closed the blue balcony which is like 2500 seats. Also the bridge which is another couple hundred so that's it. What was available was almost entirely sold.
Schafer said Cornell sold out its allotment of 11K seats.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverI'm very happy Cornell won last night and I had a great time at the game. But the performance did not inspire confidence for the rest of the year. Looking at the chances Cornell gave up, BU easily could have had four or five goals. Even though Cornell did finally score on the PP, it came when a puck popped out to Walsh from the half-wall, rather than set up by a passing play. The PP did look somewhat better but it still needs to vastly improve. I think the game would have been very ugly if not for Shane.
I think this is the difference between teams that should win and teams that do win.
Ideally, you'd like to be both (2003, 2020). But we have seen editions of each in our time: teams that were stacked and clearly superior in personnel that repeatedly fell short (1991, 2018), and teams that were fine but not exceptional yet had some sort of extra gear or killer instinct that made them as tough as cockroaches (1986, 1996).
I think I disagree both with the specific example (the 2018 team got a 1-seed in the NCAA tournament and lost six games the entire season including playoffs) as well as the general point. Cornell was badly outplayed last night, except in goal. Cornell could point to the Dartmouth, Harvard, and Princeton games this season where the reverse was true. I don't think that's due to some quality of any team having a killer instinct or being touch as cockroaches. Rather, that's just hockey. Hockey games have a lot of puck luck. You try to possess the puck and get shots on net and be positionally sound on defense and play well in goal, and let the chips fall where they may. BU has better talent than Cornell and has a lot of seniors and graduate students. They are faster and more skilled and Pandolfo gets them to actually play defense. But BU scored on one of their 10-15 grade-A chances, while Cornell scored on two of their five or so grade-A chances. On multiple occasions the puck was literally behind Shane, but didn't go into the net. Cornell was fortunate to win last night just as they were unfortunate to lose/tie vs Dartmouth/Harvard/Princeton. I think a lot of euphemisms about "finding a way to win" are just attempts to explain away puck luck.
Yes, BU has a lot of seniors (5) and graduate students (3), but one must also consider that Cornell has only 2 seniors (one of which transferred to Cornell last year) and 10 freshmen (BU has 9). I suspect if one weighted such numbers by skating time, BU's age & experience would come out even more disproportionate.
As Schafer said in the postgame interview, it takes time to learn how to play at this level and how to win against the elite kind of talent teams like BU have; it also takes time to learn how to play and win while overcoming adversity, such as injuries. I therefore expect to see Cornell improve during the rest of this season and come into its own next year and the two years after that. Hopefully this year's improvement will be sufficient to earn a spot in the 2024 NC$$ tournament. To underline my point, look again at our two goals.
On Goal #1, Rego passed off to Robinson, who took the puck into the zone and was quickly
double-teamed. From a BU standpoint, double-teaming while playing a man-down was probably a bad idea, but Robinson has already made a name for himself as someone who assists on goals. So it does not surprise me that he drew a double-team. He takes the puck against the wall and fights for the puck with BU's #7 (Case McCarthy, a graduate student, USNTDP alumnus, and NJ Devils fourth-round draft pick). The BU PBP guy describes this: "Robinson gets tangled up with McCarthy, ... but it comes free. Daylight, and a goal (by Walsh)." If you look carefully, you'll see Walsh takes possession of the puck about a yard from the wall, quickly turns and
skates to create "daylight" (about 12 feet from the wall), and
quickly shoots from around the top of the circle and before BU's #9 (Ryan Greene, sophomore, 2022-3 Hockey East All Rookie Team, Chicago Black Hawk second-round pick) can close to block the shot. The puck did not just "pop out" to Walsh; instead, Robinson fought for the puck, it came free, Walsh collected it, skated into position, and made a great shot.
It's significant that both Robinson & Walsh are Freshman skating on our power play at such a crucial moment. Walsh is a sixth-round, Boston Bruins draft pick, and Robinson was ranked the 193rd in NHL rankings (6 behind Walsh's 188), but AFAICT, Robinson has not been drafted.
Similarly, study our second goal. DeSantis beats his man (BU's #8, graduate student Cade Webber) to the puck, skates towards behind the goal, and centers the puck to Jon Castagna, who quickly (and, I presume, instinctively) passes the puck towards the the back door, where Psenicka was stationed and immediately scored. Castagna's pass was key, and, because it was blind, presumed Psenicka would be in position. AFAIK, this comes from three possible sources: (1) they've been line mates for some time and have learned each other's tendencies, (2) they've practiced this play during team practice or on their own, or (3) it is part of as offensive scheme (system) Mike Schafer put in place, so that any center on the team will know to expect the off-side wing to station themself by the back door. (If you look carefully at the play, you'll see that initially Psenicka is racing to get to the puck in the offensive zone, but when he sees DeSantis is beating his man along the left-side boards, Psenicka peels off and positions himself at the right goal post.)
DeSantis is a sophomore, Castagna is a Freshman, and Psenicka is a junior. Two BU players might have disrupted Castagna's pass: #7 (graduate student Case McCarthy) or #25 (graduate student Sam Stevens), but he was too quick.
In short, puck luck played a role. For example, Walsh's shot may have missed the goal, as did O'Leary's shot on his breakaway. But in large measure, these players made their own puck luck. Admittedly, on the first goal it was not pretty passing; instead, it was Robinson's grit fighting for the puck combined with Walsh's skating and shooting ability. But on the second goal, Castagna's pass was superb. And we have several years to look forward to seeing them playing in Big Red uniforms.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: JohnF81It was a great crowd and atmosphere at MSG. 15,289 was an excellent turnout. St. John's basketball drew 14,188 when they played Michigan at MSG two weeks ago. Great comments by Mike in the postgame on alumni support.
15,289/18,006 MSG hockey seating = 85% full Saturday night. I thought it felt much fuller than that, but I cannot fathom an arena ever undercounting. Might be it includes tickets sold but game not attended.
During the first intermission, on ESPN+, I recall BU's athletic director saying the attendance was the actual number of persons present at the game.
Swampy, great write-up. I don't really disagree with any of it. Cornell certainly earned their goals and I don't mean to call them flukey in any way. (My point on the PP goal was that it wasn't the result of any PP sets or plays, but rather a couple of nice individual efforts and perhaps a breakdown by BU, i.e. it doesn't indicate to me that Cornell has solved its PP woes.) The second Cornell goal was an extremely high-skill play, DeSantis muscling the puck to Castagna and the no-look pass from Castagna to Psenicka, who one-time roofed it.
On some level you can't call anything in a hockey game "luck" because every play is the outcome of a series of causal events over which the players exert a degree of control. When I say last night's win was "lucky," the implication is that it is "lucky" to beat a team that dominated possession and scoring opportunities. Because most of the time, under those conditions, you will lose. And the bounces—pucks getting behind Shane but not into the net, breakaways and point-blank opportunities barely missing—almost all seemed to go in Cornell's direction.
There are now stats meant to measure this. For example, the NHL now tracks "expected goals (xG)," which is meant to isolate scoring chances (eg. breakaway, one-timer from the slot, slapshot from the blue line), subtract things outside of the shooter's control (eg. bounces and goalie quality), and calculate the likelihood of the puck going in. While we do not have these stats for college hockey, I would guess that BU's xG from last night was ~5, while Cornell's was ~2. And that's purely based on the quality of these scoring chances in the abstract, without taking into account that BU has some of the best goal scorers in the entire country. That would mean Cornell was very "lucky" (under most hockey fans' sense of the word, at least).
Quote from: Swampy... To underline my point, look again at our two goals.
On Goal #1, Rego passed off to Robinson, who took the puck into the zone and was quickly double-teamed. From a BU standpoint, double-teaming while playing a man-down was probably a bad idea, but Robinson has already made a name for himself as someone who assists on goals. So it does not surprise me that he drew a double-team. He takes the puck against the wall and fights for the puck with BU's #7 (Case McCarthy, a graduate student, USNTDP alumnus, and NJ Devils fourth-round draft pick). The BU PBP guy describes this: "Robinson gets tangled up with McCarthy, ... but it comes free. Daylight, and a goal (by Walsh)." If you look carefully, you'll see Walsh takes possession of the puck about a yard from the wall, quickly turns and skates to create "daylight" (about 12 feet from the wall), and quickly shoots from around the top of the circle and before BU's #9 (Ryan Greene, sophomore, 2022-3 Hockey East All Rookie Team, Chicago Black Hawk second-round pick) can close to block the shot. The puck did not just "pop out" to Walsh; instead, Robinson fought for the puck, it came free, Walsh collected it, skated into position, and made a great shot. ...
Similarly, study our second goal. DeSantis beats his man (BU's #8, graduate student Cade Webber) to the puck, skates towards behind the goal, and centers the puck to Jon Castagna, who quickly (and, I presume, instinctively) passes the puck towards the the back door, where Psenicka was stationed and immediately scored. Castagna's pass was key, and, because it was blind, presumed Psenicka would be in position. ...
I think these recaps are a little Carnelian-colored. Robertson did draw the double-team, and earned that attention. I also don't want to downplay what Walsh did with the puck - he
used the space he had with patience and purpose and the shot was perfect. You are right about both things. At the same time, Robertson didn't get the puck to Walsh and he wasn't even trying to play it into space. The scrum, and possibly the player closer to the BU goal, popped the puck free to a waiting Walsh. Those are the opportunities you have to take advantage of but it
was a weird bounce. A guy sitting next to me at MSG, who talked like a guy with decades of watching hockey, was constantly shocked by how infrequently we position anyone in front of the crease, whether for screens or deflections, and by the absolute unwillingness of the team to shoot unless they had a Walsh-level opportunity (which isn't going to happen without creative passing/skating or a fortuitous bounce off the wall.)
As for the second goal, Castagna's pass was great but ... and I have to stress this ... Psenicka is usually
not* there (nor is anyone else). It is not a set play in the sense of it being a
Cornell set play. I see only two options: (a) Castagna saw him setting up and (b) Castagna knows that a great place to have someone would sure be on the back door and he took a shot. I wish Psenicka (or anyone else) did more of this! I was complaining about the lack of back door positioning just last week.
I left MSG floating on air, and like I said on my last post, you really do see a ton of potential, especially on defense, and even with Shane standing on his head. That BU team is fast and dangerous as hell and we did get the puck away from them a lot. Of course, we are slow and terrible clearing the puck and that's what gave BU their only goal, and I hope they work on that a lot.
* "not" got lost in editing and I had to stick it back in after posting, along with a couple of other clean-up changes
Seger didn't score a goal for us at MSG, but he won two crucial faceoffs while we were killing off the 38-second 5-on-3. The first time he won the faceoff to start the penalty, but we failed to clear the zone and BU got off a shot which deflected out of play. Seger won the ensuing faceoff, and this time we were able to clear the zone, making it much easier for us to kill the remainder of the two-man advantage. During the game, I remarked to my son that we were doing a good job on faceoffs. Sure enough, we ended the game with a 37-21 edge.
There was a point at which Seger was 7-1 in faceoffs, and he kept winning vital faceoffs throughout the game. He was like a great punter who completely changed the way possession worked, and protected Shane from set plays in our end.
I know you guys feel we were lucky because BU had a bunch of great chances they did not convert, but I think that often happens in games. Ultimately, the final score is the sole dispositive measure of quality.
Quote from: TrotskyI know you guys feel we were lucky because BU had a bunch of great chances they did not convert, but I think that often happens in games. Ultimately, the final score is the sole dispositive measure of quality.
Easy now, Bill Parcells.
In any event, I should have noted Seger's work on faceoffs. He was incredible and it was probably the most effective defense we had outside of Shane.
Parcells' quote has not been true since we went to the stupid 3-point system.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyI know you guys feel we were lucky because BU had a bunch of great chances they did not convert, but I think that often happens in games. Ultimately, the final score is the sole dispositive measure of quality.
Easy now, Bill Parcells.
I was aiming for Schopenhauer (https://www.philosophybro.com/archive/arthur-schopenhauers-the-world-as-will-and).
QuoteWhat is the nature of reality? The entire world is just an idea. That's it. Kant was so close, but Berkeley fucking nailed it - the entire world is one bigass idea. There are two parts to this idea: object and subject, which sound more complicated than they are. The 'object' is just all the things that anyone perceives; it's the entire world as we know it. Except that you can't have a perception without someone perceiving it, and that is the subject, the 'haver' of the idea. It's like when a bro sees something; his perception of seeing is the object, and the bro himself is the subject, except these are inseparable. You can't have one without the other - there's no thought without a thinker, and you're not thinking if you don't have thoughts. It really is all just one big fucking Idea. Any attempt to separate 'object' and 'subject' into truly different things, rather than parts of the same Idea, is doomed to failure, just like any attempt to separate 'sight' from 'the bro who sees' makes no sense.
But that's not enough. Kant said we want to know ultimate reality behind the Idea, and he was fucking right - we aren't happy being told that it lies beyond our grasp. Fuck that noise - I want to know what my ideas mean, what they say, whether there is any substance behind them, and if that yearning is wrong then I don't want to be right. Of course, Kant was right that we can never grasp ultimate reality from the outside looking in, which is exactly what everyone before me has tried. But where they all fucked up, and what makes me awesome, is that they all imagined themselves as winged cherubs, looking down on the world without being a part of it. But we are in the world as much as anything else; our bodies are objects just like the chair I'm sitting in. What sets my hand apart from the pen it holds? What if my body were just the object I'm closest to, and I had no more control over it than your body, which is also an object to me?
Answer: Pure. Motherfucking. Will. My willpower is the only thing that sets my body apart from any other object; the will manifests itself in the movement of my body. Emotions? Just violent movements of the will, as these too cause my body to react, whether my heart races or my breathing slows or, uh, you know... boners. Only the will allows us to take the body beyond an object of perception. The Will manifests itself into individuals, and these perceive and react, but they all have the same ability to perceive, and that ability is the subject itself.
What sets man apart is his ability to reason, to replace perception with abstract ideas - not only do we perceive individual things, we can categorize them and reason about them. Picture a triangle - got it? Good. No lower animal could complete such an exercise, but we can understand the idea of all triangles, or all numbers, or all cats; behind every perception is an abstract idea. And the idea behind every abstract idea, the highest idea, is pure unadulterated Idea - the Idea of being object for the subject, the Idea of being an Idea. This highest Idea is the ultimate reality - Idea itself. When we strip away even the notions of object and subject, only one thing remains that is neither - the goddamn Will, which is the thing-in-itself that Kant thought we couldn't know. Well there it is, bitches.
The Will is conscious, and is consciousness itself. Individual wills live and die, but they always maintain the Will itself. The Will exists now, in every moment, never in the past or the future. We have free Will indeed, for no reason or necessity or determination can constrain the Will. If we would participate in the thing-in-itself fully, we ought to live only in the present, with no regard for tomorrow or yesterday! By embracing the will, we need not fear death, for death is an illusion for individuals, and the Will we embrace is eternal.
Excerpt from
Die Welt als Punktzahl und Gewinnprozentsatz.
Was also lucky enough to attend Saturday night. What a game!!
In terms of comparing the teams, I think from what I saw, BU has much better overall team speed and with it, skill than Cornell does. He didnt put up any points, but Mack Celebrini while only 17 is the consensus #1 overall NHL draft pick next year. Lane Hutson was a second round pick for the Canadiens. BU grabs an awful lot of kids from the USNDTP pipeline and it's really not expected that those kids will stay 4 years. That said, the skill and talent level is through the roof this year. For the first half of the game it looked like that was really the story. Cornell really wasn't generating much zone time and at some point was down 18-3 in SOG. AT which point my son (Cornell '23) turned to me and said no way are we winning this game.
Then it seemed to turn a bit and suddenly Cornell found their legs and played MUCH better. I think at the end of 2 the shots were 21-15. I dont think BU stopped skating or couldn't sustain, I think Cornell relaxed a bit and just played and that seemed to work. I think Cornell is designed to always contend for a title, and that is largely through systems. Those systems dont seem to attract the highest end talent, so we will often be playing against teams whose top players are better than ours. But those systems - and historically stout goaltending, which other teams lack - gets us into the top 20 most years and very often gets us to the dance. It is what it is. The most elite talent isn't interested in playing 4 years at Cornell to win it all in years 3 and 4, those kids want to turn pro. Celebrini will be playing in San Jose next year (funny since thats where he played youth hockey).
Quote from: PghasI think Cornell is designed to always contend for a title, and that is largely through systems. Those systems dont seem to attract the highest end talent, so we will often be playing against teams whose top players are better than ours. But those systems - and historically stout goaltending, which other teams lack - gets us into the top 20 most years and very often gets us to the dance.
Well said and welcome.
Quote from: ugarteI am still annoyed at their terror at any forecheck and we have ONE player on the team who likes - actually likes - to shoot the puck (Bancroft) and every time he's on the wing with space, whoever is passing it to him handcuffs him so he can't one-time it. Morgan Barron would have killed someone by now.
I agree with this generally, but Penny and Walsh also like to shoot and, somewhat comically, so do Fegaras and Suda. We do have a surfeit of excellent playmakers with Castagna, Robertson, Seger. Other than Bancroft we lack that guy who can bury it. That guy is not necessarily a 2nd round pick headed for the NHL after sophomore season -- Berard and pre-injury Stienburg had touch. But since we don't seem to have much of that, we have to grow our own. It's happened before: Ladouceur, Lemon, Gallagher, Greening, Collins, Yates, Rauter. I'd love to see DeSantis and Kraft mature into scorers.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyI know you guys feel we were lucky because BU had a bunch of great chances they did not convert, but I think that often happens in games. Ultimately, the final score is the sole dispositive measure of quality.
Easy now, Bill Parcells.
I was aiming for Schopenhauer (https://www.philosophybro.com/archive/arthur-schopenhauers-the-world-as-will-and).
QuoteWhat is the nature of reality? The entire world is just an idea. That's it. Kant was so close, but Berkeley fucking nailed it - the entire world is one bigass idea. There are two parts to this idea: object and subject, which sound more complicated than they are. The 'object' is just all the things that anyone perceives; it's the entire world as we know it. Except that you can't have a perception without someone perceiving it, and that is the subject, the 'haver' of the idea. It's like when a bro sees something; his perception of seeing is the object, and the bro himself is the subject, except these are inseparable. You can't have one without the other - there's no thought without a thinker, and you're not thinking if you don't have thoughts. It really is all just one big fucking Idea. Any attempt to separate 'object' and 'subject' into truly different things, rather than parts of the same Idea, is doomed to failure, just like any attempt to separate 'sight' from 'the bro who sees' makes no sense.
But that's not enough. Kant said we want to know ultimate reality behind the Idea, and he was fucking right - we aren't happy being told that it lies beyond our grasp. Fuck that noise - I want to know what my ideas mean, what they say, whether there is any substance behind them, and if that yearning is wrong then I don't want to be right. Of course, Kant was right that we can never grasp ultimate reality from the outside looking in, which is exactly what everyone before me has tried. But where they all fucked up, and what makes me awesome, is that they all imagined themselves as winged cherubs, looking down on the world without being a part of it. But we are in the world as much as anything else; our bodies are objects just like the chair I'm sitting in. What sets my hand apart from the pen it holds? What if my body were just the object I'm closest to, and I had no more control over it than your body, which is also an object to me?
Answer: Pure. Motherfucking. Will. My willpower is the only thing that sets my body apart from any other object; the will manifests itself in the movement of my body. Emotions? Just violent movements of the will, as these too cause my body to react, whether my heart races or my breathing slows or, uh, you know... boners. Only the will allows us to take the body beyond an object of perception. The Will manifests itself into individuals, and these perceive and react, but they all have the same ability to perceive, and that ability is the subject itself.
What sets man apart is his ability to reason, to replace perception with abstract ideas - not only do we perceive individual things, we can categorize them and reason about them. Picture a triangle - got it? Good. No lower animal could complete such an exercise, but we can understand the idea of all triangles, or all numbers, or all cats; behind every perception is an abstract idea. And the idea behind every abstract idea, the highest idea, is pure unadulterated Idea - the Idea of being object for the subject, the Idea of being an Idea. This highest Idea is the ultimate reality - Idea itself. When we strip away even the notions of object and subject, only one thing remains that is neither - the goddamn Will, which is the thing-in-itself that Kant thought we couldn't know. Well there it is, bitches.
The Will is conscious, and is consciousness itself. Individual wills live and die, but they always maintain the Will itself. The Will exists now, in every moment, never in the past or the future. We have free Will indeed, for no reason or necessity or determination can constrain the Will. If we would participate in the thing-in-itself fully, we ought to live only in the present, with no regard for tomorrow or yesterday! By embracing the will, we need not fear death, for death is an illusion for individuals, and the Will we embrace is eternal.
Excerpt from Die Welt als Punktzahl und Gewinnprozentsatz.
Everyone wants to think they're Schopenhauer but
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteI am still annoyed at their terror at any forecheck and we have ONE player on the team who likes - actually likes - to shoot the puck (Bancroft) and every time he's on the wing with space, whoever is passing it to him handcuffs him so he can't one-time it. Morgan Barron would have killed someone by now.
I agree with this generally, but Penny and Walsh also like to shoot and, somewhat comically, so do Fegaras and Suda. We do have a surfeit of excellent playmakers with Castagna, Robertson, Seger. Other than Bancroft we lack that guy who can bury it. That guy is not necessarily a 2nd round pick headed for the NHL after sophomore season -- Berard and pre-injury Stienburg had touch. But since we don't seem to have much of that, we have to grow our own. It's happened before: Ladouceur, Lemon, Gallagher, Greening, Collins, Yates, Rauter. I'd love to see DeSantis and Kraft mature into scorers.
I like this about them! It's only comical because we don't, seemingly by design, have anyone down low to help them make it less of a joke.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteI am still annoyed at their terror at any forecheck and we have ONE player on the team who likes - actually likes - to shoot the puck (Bancroft) and every time he's on the wing with space, whoever is passing it to him handcuffs him so he can't one-time it. Morgan Barron would have killed someone by now.
I agree with this generally, but Penny and Walsh also like to shoot and, somewhat comically, so do Fegaras and Suda. We do have a surfeit of excellent playmakers with Castagna, Robertson, Seger. Other than Bancroft we lack that guy who can bury it. That guy is not necessarily a 2nd round pick headed for the NHL after sophomore season -- Berard and pre-injury Stienburg had touch. But since we don't seem to have much of that, we have to grow our own. It's happened before: Ladouceur, Lemon, Gallagher, Greening, Collins, Yates, Rauter. I'd love to see DeSantis and Kraft mature into scorers.
I like this about them! It's only comical because we don't, seemingly by design, have anyone down low to help them make it less of a joke.
As our offensive talent has increased the last few years, we haven't gotten any smaller, but we seem to have lost some muscle. Offensively talented big guys are used to dominating with skill, not strength. So we've been vulnerable to teams that can push us around down low and clog up the slot. Princeton and Brown seem to be this sort year to year.
Quote from: ugarteI like this about them! It's only comical because we don't, seemingly by design, have anyone down low to help them make it less of a joke.
I like D-men with manic shots. What I find comical about Suda and Fegaras is they're so
bad at it! **]
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteI am still annoyed at their terror at any forecheck and we have ONE player on the team who likes - actually likes - to shoot the puck (Bancroft) and every time he's on the wing with space, whoever is passing it to him handcuffs him so he can't one-time it. Morgan Barron would have killed someone by now.
I agree with this generally, but Penny and Walsh also like to shoot and, somewhat comically, so do Fegaras and Suda. We do have a surfeit of excellent playmakers with Castagna, Robertson, Seger. Other than Bancroft we lack that guy who can bury it. That guy is not necessarily a 2nd round pick headed for the NHL after sophomore season -- Berard and pre-injury Stienburg had touch. But since we don't seem to have much of that, we have to grow our own. It's happened before: Ladouceur, Lemon, Gallagher, Greening, Collins, Yates, Rauter. I'd love to see DeSantis and Kraft mature into scorers.
I like this about them! It's only comical because we don't, seemingly by design, have anyone down low to help them make it less of a joke.
As our offensive talent has increased the last few years, we haven't gotten any smaller, but we seem to have lost some muscle. Offensively talented big guys are used to dominating with skill, not strength. So we've been vulnerable to teams that can push us around down low and clog up the slot. Princeton and Brown seem to be this sort year to year.
This also reflects how young we are. For example, when Ben Robinson "tangled" with BU's Case McCarthy we're talking about a 2007 against a 2001. (Elite Prospects lists them as 16 (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/955662/ben-robinson) and 22 (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/290196/case-mccarthy) years old respectively, but EP also lists Robinson's position as "G." So take this with a grain of salt.) Cornell Athletics says Robinson is 5'11" and 185 lb, while BU says McCarthy is 6'1" and 200 lb. So, Robinson was giving up six years, two inches, and 15 lbs to McCarthy. Yet, at least in the moments leading up to Walsh's goal, Robinson held his own quite well against McCarthy. This is also a pretty good comparison because it compares two defensemen.
Actually, as a team (and according to College Hockey News), BU is bigger than Cornell: 6' 1.14" & 191.7 lb. vs 6' 0.71" & 187.7 lb.
Young guys like Robinson might still grow an inch or two, they still might be maturing from childhood with "delayed puberty (https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/puberty/Pages/Delayed-Puberty.aspx)," and with more time in the weight room, they will typically bulk up, especially over summers if they follow the trainer's prescriptions. Of course, such considerations will also apply to young players on teams like BU. For example, Macklin Celebrini is listed at 6' 0" & 190 #, but what are the chances of him playing college hockey in two years?
One further item of note is faceoffs (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/metrics.php?gd=96531). As has already been noted, Seger won 20 out of 30 FO's. But percentage-wise, Castagna matched this, winning 8 of 12. In fact, every Cornell player who took faceoffs won half or more of their draws. In addition to the above, Devlin was 1 for 1, Penny was 2 for 3, and Walsh had the lowest percentage at 6 of 12. Perhaps skill, speed, and size are the most important characteristics in hockey, but they are not the only parts of the game.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteI am still annoyed at their terror at any forecheck and we have ONE player on the team who likes - actually likes - to shoot the puck (Bancroft) and every time he's on the wing with space, whoever is passing it to him handcuffs him so he can't one-time it. Morgan Barron would have killed someone by now.
I agree with this generally, but Penny and Walsh also like to shoot and, somewhat comically, so do Fegaras and Suda. We do have a surfeit of excellent playmakers with Castagna, Robertson, Seger. Other than Bancroft we lack that guy who can bury it. That guy is not necessarily a 2nd round pick headed for the NHL after sophomore season -- Berard and pre-injury Stienburg had touch. But since we don't seem to have much of that, we have to grow our own. It's happened before: Ladouceur, Lemon, Gallagher, Greening, Collins, Yates, Rauter. I'd love to see DeSantis and Kraft mature into scorers.
I like this about them! It's only comical because we don't, seemingly by design, have anyone down low to help them make it less of a joke.
As our offensive talent has increased the last few years, we haven't gotten any smaller, but we seem to have lost some muscle. Offensively talented big guys are used to dominating with skill, not strength. So we've been vulnerable to teams that can push us around down low and clog up the slot. Princeton and Brown seem to be this sort year to year.
This also reflects how young we are. For example, when Ben Robinson "tangled" with BU's Case McCarthy we're talking about a 2007 against a 2001. (Elite Prospects lists them as 16 (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/955662/ben-robinson) and 22 (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/290196/case-mccarthy) years old respectively, but EP also lists Robinson's position as "G." So take this with a grain of salt.) Cornell Athletics says Robinson is 5'11" and 185 lb, while BU says McCarthy is 6'1" and 200 lb. So, Robinson was giving up six years, two inches, and 15 lbs to McCarthy. Yet, at least in the moments leading up to Walsh's goal, Robinson held his own quite well against McCarthy. This is also a pretty good comparison because it compares two defensemen.
Actually, as a team (and according to College Hockey News), BU is bigger than Cornell: 6' 1.14" & 191.7 lb. vs 6' 0.71" & 187.7 lb.
Young guys like Robinson might still grow an inch or two, they still might be maturing from childhood with "delayed puberty (https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/puberty/Pages/Delayed-Puberty.aspx)," and with more time in the weight room, they will typically bulk up, especially over summers if they follow the trainer's prescriptions. Of course, such considerations will also apply to young players on teams like BU. For example, Macklin Celebrini is listed at 6' 0" & 190 #, but what are the chances of him playing college hockey in two years?
One further item of note is faceoffs (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/metrics.php?gd=96531). As has already been noted, Seger won 20 out of 30 FO's. But percentage-wise, Castagna matched this, winning 8 of 12. In fact, every Cornell player who took faceoffs won half or more of their draws. In addition to the above, Devlin was 1 for 1, Penny was 2 for 3, and Walsh had the lowest percentage at 6 of 12. Perhaps skill, speed, and size are the most important characteristics in hockey, but they are not the only parts of the game.
Small correction, it's Robertson
Quote from: PghasWas also lucky enough to attend Saturday night. What a game!!
In terms of comparing the teams, I think from what I saw, BU has much better overall team speed and with it, skill than Cornell does. He didnt put up any points, but Mack Celebrini while only 17 is the consensus #1 overall NHL draft pick next year. Lane Hutson was a second round pick for the Canadiens. BU grabs an awful lot of kids from the USNDTP pipeline and it's really not expected that those kids will stay 4 years. That said, the skill and talent level is through the roof this year. For the first half of the game it looked like that was really the story. Cornell really wasn't generating much zone time and at some point was down 18-3 in SOG. AT which point my son (Cornell '23) turned to me and said no way are we winning this game.
Then it seemed to turn a bit and suddenly Cornell found their legs and played MUCH better. I think at the end of 2 the shots were 21-15. I dont think BU stopped skating or couldn't sustain, I think Cornell relaxed a bit and just played and that seemed to work. I think Cornell is designed to always contend for a title, and that is largely through systems. Those systems dont seem to attract the highest end talent, so we will often be playing against teams whose top players are better than ours. But those systems - and historically stout goaltending, which other teams lack - gets us into the top 20 most years and very often gets us to the dance. It is what it is. The most elite talent isn't interested in playing 4 years at Cornell to win it all in years 3 and 4, those kids want to turn pro. Celebrini will be playing in San Jose next year (funny since thats where he played youth hockey).
I always prefer the B+ senior to the A+ freshman.
Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Quote from: martyThat makes sense. It's in the contract.
I started watching Ranger hockey at MSG in the mid-50s. In those days, four guys on skates, with those plow-like shovels, would clear the snow off the ice. They were followed by another four guys on skates pushing two ice-making contraptions. They were essentially 55-gallon drums on wheels or skids that spread water on the cleared ice. Zambonis were in general use everywhere else, so why not at MSG? I was told it was because of a union contract.
They were probably the same guys who shoveled up the elephant shit when the circus came to MSG.
This afternoon, I came across this article on the origin of the Zamboni (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/history-zamboni-revolutionized-fun-ice-180983068/) in the latest issue of Smithsonian while waiting to see my doctor.
Quote from: BearLoverWhile we do not have these stats for college hockey, I would guess that BU's xG from last night was ~5, while Cornell's was ~2. And that's purely based on the quality of these scoring chances in the abstract, without taking into account that BU has some of the best goal scorers in the entire country. That would mean Cornell was very "lucky" (under most hockey fans' sense of the word, at least).
Looks like my intuition about xG was pretty good: https://x.com/BUHockeyStats/status/1729287058189865259?s=20
Cornell was very fortunate to win this game. It would be very interesting (though also frustrating, when Cornell outplays the opponent and loses) if we had these stats for Cornell's other games.
I wonder if the Cornell hockey staff keeps them for us.
Quote from: ugarteI am still annoyed at their terror at any forecheck and we have ONE player on the team who likes - actually likes - to shoot the puck (Bancroft) and every time he's on the wing with space, whoever is passing it to him handcuffs him so he can't one-time it. Morgan Barron would have killed someone by now.
Cornell has had real trouble with breakouts against any decent forecheck for... I don't know... the past ten seasons? For about half the games each season, you'll see them stuggle on this, and I've asked myself for years now why other teams don't exploit it more.
My only working theories:
1. Cornell doesn't regularly play amazing teams, and it's hard to put up a consistently decent forecheck. So most teams just can't pull this off consistently against Cornell?
And/Or...
2. Most D-1 hockey teams are at a quality level that they'll struggle against a decent forecheck. We're all in the same boat, there's nothing unique about Cornell on this, and I just notice Cornell's struggles more.
I think it's 2, but I would argue the 2018 and 2020 teams had no problem breaking out against a forecheck.
Some of this is young guys still thinking they can do the same breakouts when they were the better players and now they are not. We make soft passes and guys deal with them better at this level.
It will come.
When it works it looks pretty when it doesnt it gets ugly.
Quote from: upprdeckSome of this is young guys still thinking they can do the same breakouts when they were the better players and now they are not. We make soft passes and guys deal with them better at this level.
It will come.
When it works it looks pretty when it doesnt it gets ugly.
Yup. We have a LOT of young talent. Which means a lot of guys who are used to skating circles around their opponents.
Quote from: upprdeckSome of this is young guys still thinking they can do the same breakouts when they were the better players and now they are not. We make soft passes and guys deal with them better at this level.
Mr. Fegaras, white courtesy telephone please.
You noticed that too.