Men's schedule is out. Interestingly, they play Syracuse at the JMA Wireless Dome on December 5. When did it stop being the Carrier Dome? Incidentally, Carrier Corp. was founded by Willis Carrier '01.
In 1979, Carrier cut a deal with Syracuse, $2.75 million for naming rights in perpetuity. Idiots. Syracuse U has been trying to get out of that ever since. Carrier's Syracuse footprint has been declining and in 2020, the company moved to Palm Beach Gardens. In 2022, Syracuse cut a deal with JMA Wireless for naming rights, 10 years, undisclosed amount. JMA what? It's a wireless networking hardware company, aka John Mezzalingua Associates. It is not a wireless carrier like a Cricket. To clarify (per Wikipedia), "JMA Wireless operates on a software-based XRAN [radio access network] architecture, which integrates processes into a single common server and removes the need for radios and jumpers in Distributed antenna system (DAS) deployment."
In 1979, Carrier cut a deal with Syracuse, $2.75 million for naming rights in perpetuity. Idiots. Syracuse U has been trying to get out of that ever since. Carrier's Syracuse footprint has been declining and in 2020, the company moved to Palm Beach Gardens. In 2022, Syracuse cut a deal with JMA Wireless for naming rights, 10 years, undisclosed amount. JMA what? It's a wireless networking hardware company, aka John Mezzalingua Associates. It is not a wireless carrier like a Cricket. To clarify (per Wikipedia), "JMA Wireless operates on a software-based XRAN [radio access network] architecture, which integrates processes into a single common server and removes the need for radios and jumpers in Distributed antenna system (DAS) deployment."
Quote from: George64Men's schedule is out. Interestingly, they play Syracuse at the JMA Wireless Dome on December 5. When did it stop being the Carrier Dome? Incidentally, Carrier Corp. was founded by Willis Carrier '01.
1901. My subconscious understanding went first to the more recent '01.
Good irony is that the dome only got air conditioning installed the same year Carrier was removed from the name (2022).
good news is the wireless is gonna be in place by the time cornell gets there in Dec. Wish we had wireless/cell working in lynah one day.
Counted 11 home games and 2 against D 3 teams in Wells and Morrisville. I see that Coach Earl brought in some height and maybe the interior defense will be a little stronger than in past years, Greg Dolan was a "glue guy" on the past couple of editions and we will see who steps up this coming season. Princeton, Yale, and Brown will all be very formidable this coming season.
Cornell is picked third in preseason poll (https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/10/17/yale-selected-as-ivy-league-mens-basketball-preseason-favorite.aspx), behind overwhelming favorite Yale and Princeton.
Season Opener tonight at Lehigh. Last year v. the formerly Engineers was maybe the best game the guys played all season.
The pregame notes list Gray, Manon and Noard as starters -- all expected -- but then list Sophomores Nix and Noard as joining them. Does anyone know if Nazir Williams is hurt?
Quote from: mountainredSeason Opener tonight at Lehigh. Last year v. the formerly Engineers was maybe the best game the guys played all season.
The pregame notes list Gray, Manon and Noard as starters -- all expected -- but then list Sophomores Nix and Noard as joining them. Does anyone know if Nazir Williams is hurt?
Quite a handicap if Noard has to play two positions.;-)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredSeason Opener tonight at Lehigh. Last year v. the formerly Engineers was maybe the best game the guys played all season.
The pregame notes list Gray, Manon and Noard as starters -- all expected -- but then list Sophomores Nix and Noard as joining them. Does anyone know if Nazir Williams is hurt?
Quite a handicap if Noard has to play two positions.;-)
Putting aside Noard's double billing, I assume if he's not started Williams is injured.
Naz just came in as a sub, no need to worry.
Quote from: chimpfoodNaz just came in as a sub, no need to worry.
My other thought was Earl would bring him in as an early 6th man for a jump start off the bench. That may well be the case.
Season's only 12 minutes old and I'm already exasperated by Ragland.
Quote from: scoop85Season's only 12 minutes old and I'm already exasperated by Ragland.
That makes two of us!
As soon as Manon got foul happy, the defense has not been as good and they've gone down. He has to stay out of trouble this year.
And like last year, their press is weak and gets beat repeatedly.
And once again, we can't shoot free throws.
Down 5 at the break because Lehigh is shooting at a hoop the size of the Pacific Ocean.
Quote from: ugarteDown 5 at the break because Lehigh is shooting at a hoop the size of the Pacific Ocean.
Overall, I'd say we've done more to shoot ourselves in the feet than Lehigh has done to be leading this game.
The Cornell press is a joke. I wish Brian would stop.
Let's not overreact, earl has done a lot for this program and the press is a very important part of this teams identify which is wearing down the other team with a fast paced game. I agree that it has lost its effectiveness later into this game but give it time, it's a long season.
The ease with which other teams break this press is not new. I was at the Yale game at home last year, for example, as just one example (we went from down 13 to winning by 12 going away when we stopped pressing). I understand why they do it. I watched a game or two last year. But when trailing and at risk of a game getting away, against a team that they should be much better than, I'd rather he not press.
Nice win considering the team got no minutes from tsang-Hinton, Baldwin, and watson, who I thought would all be important pieces this year. Anybody know what's up with those guys, whether it was injuries or just healthy scratches? Big props to Noard and okereke for stepping up. Looking forward to the rest of this season!
Cornell with some good free throw shooting to secure the win down the stretch 84-78.
Really helped that Lehigh shot 1-12 from behind the arc in the second half. Nice to steal a win when Williams was not at his best.
Noard only started in one spot, but carried the offense in the first half, so it was kinda like two. Hansen just missed his career high and was clutch in the second half.
But who had AK Okereke playing 25 minutes? Okereke was essentially a walk on, played a whopping six minutes last season, but looked solid.
Quote from: chimpfoodNice win considering the team got no minutes from tsang-Hinton, Baldwin, and watson, who I thought would all be important pieces this year. Anybody know what's up with those guys, whether it was injuries or just healthy scratches?
We should find out Wednesday when I would expect everyone who is healthy to log minutes.
Quote from: mountainredReally helped that Lehigh shot 1-12 from behind the arc in the second half.
I didn't get to watch but it sure seems like some genius upthread figured out why we were losing!
What in the world happened to Boothby's 3 point shot? He slipped last year considerably and was 0-3 last night.
Proposal for the future, if the hoops fans are going to be active, that we have "weekend" threads rather than have a basketball thread that stretches forever. Nightmare on mobile.
Good chance I'll be at Rose Hill on Saturday afternoon to watch us play Fordham.
Quote from: ugarteWhat in the world happened to Boothby's 3 point shot? He slipped last year considerably and was 0-3 last night.
Proposal for the future, if the hoops fans are going to be active, that we have "weekend" threads rather than have a basketball thread that stretches forever. Nightmare on mobile.
Good chance I'll be at Rose Hill on Saturday afternoon to watch us play Fordham.
Dinner at Dominick's on Arthur Avenue
Quote from: ugarteWhat in the world happened to Boothby's 3 point shot? He slipped last year considerably and was 0-3 last night.
Boothby's shooting as a freshman was unsustainable; 49.5% from behind the arc was insane. And he found his stroke in league play last year, 22-46 (don't do the math on his out of conference shooting last year, it's not pretty).
Not going to start a thread over a D3 game, but maybe next weekend? I saw the commentators for the broadcast are new names. Did Barry retire/get replaced?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteWhat in the world happened to Boothby's 3 point shot? He slipped last year considerably and was 0-3 last night.
Proposal for the future, if the hoops fans are going to be active, that we have "weekend" threads rather than have a basketball thread that stretches forever. Nightmare on mobile.
Good chance I'll be at Rose Hill on Saturday afternoon to watch us play Fordham.
Dinner at Dominick's on Arthur Avenue
Something like that. Definitely going to get fresh mozz somewhere. Is anyone else going?
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteWhat in the world happened to Boothby's 3 point shot? He slipped last year considerably and was 0-3 last night.
Boothby's shooting as a freshman was unsustainable; 49.5% from behind the arc was insane. And he found his stroke in league play last year, 22-46 (don't do the math on his out of conference shooting last year, it's not pretty).
Not going to start a thread over a D3 game, but maybe next weekend? I saw the commentators for the broadcast are new names. Did Barry retire/get replaced?
Wasn't the discussion about the Lehigh game going 0-3? we didn't play the D-3 game yet.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteWhat in the world happened to Boothby's 3 point shot? He slipped last year considerably and was 0-3 last night.
Boothby's shooting as a freshman was unsustainable; 49.5% from behind the arc was insane. And he found his stroke in league play last year, 22-46 (don't do the math on his out of conference shooting last year, it's not pretty).
Not going to start a thread over a D3 game, but maybe next weekend? I saw the commentators for the broadcast are new names. Did Barry retire/get replaced?
Wasn't the discussion about the Lehigh game going 0-3? we didn't play the D-3 game yet.
separate points. he was talking about Boothby and then referring to my earlier suggestion of "weekend threads," proposing that we keep the D-III game discussion here instead of giving it its own thread.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckQuote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteWhat in the world happened to Boothby's 3 point shot? He slipped last year considerably and was 0-3 last night.
Boothby's shooting as a freshman was unsustainable; 49.5% from behind the arc was insane. And he found his stroke in league play last year, 22-46 (don't do the math on his out of conference shooting last year, it's not pretty).
Not going to start a thread over a D3 game, but maybe next weekend? I saw the commentators for the broadcast are new names. Did Barry retire/get replaced?
Wasn't the discussion about the Lehigh game going 0-3? we didn't play the D-3 game yet.
separate points. he was talking about Boothby and then referring to my earlier suggestion of "weekend threads," proposing that we keep the D-III game discussion here instead of giving it its own thread.
Yeah, it made sense to me when I typed it.
No one was hurt while the Cornell won comfortably 107-86. Some random thoughts:
* The defense and ball security were troubling. Surrendering a point a possession and losing the turnover battle to an okay D3 school is a problem.
* The only changes to the first ten guys were that Williams sat out, he's said to be day-to-day, and a bunch of minutes for Fr. Jacob Beccles -- who looked pretty good.
* Max Watson sighting with 6-ish minutes left. Very late for a rotation guy from last year.
* New announcers were nothing great. Very young. I guess Al Michaels started somewhere, but it felt that we were providing training for a recent Newhouse grad.
Looks like Baldwin may have torn his acl. He has the standard acl knee brace and crutches, that definitely hurts.
Quote from: chimpfoodLooks like Baldwin may have torn his acl. He has the standard acl knee brace and crutches, that definitely hurts.
Jeff Goodman tweeted the other day he was out for the season for a knee injury: https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1721585466946826288 so an ACL tear would make sense.
Understand that Barry may be out this season
Quote from: rss77Understand that Barry may be out this season
Thanks. I hope everything is okay with him.
Quote from: mountainred* New announcers were nothing great. Very young. I guess Al Michaels started somewhere, but it felt that we were providing training for a recent Newhouse grad.
i thought the same. they could follow the action well but the emotion felt forced and overstated. idk. maybe i'm being harsh. gotta let them grow on me.
Quote from: mountainredSome random thoughts:
* The defense and ball security were troubling. Surrendering a point a possession and losing the turnover battle to an okay D3 school is a problem.
* The only changes to the first ten guys were that Williams sat out, he's said to be day-to-day, and a bunch of minutes for Fr. Jacob Beccles -- who looked pretty good.
* Max Watson sighting with 6-ish minutes left. Very late for a rotation guy from last year.
with respect to the other thoughts, i'm not concerned with the rotation in the D-III game. let's see what it's like on Saturday.
$25 single-game tickets for Fordham basketball seems...high?
That seems to the price for tickets to their games in that gym.
Compared to games at Newman its high but not like going to the Dome or any big time bball games.
Was considering going to the game at George Mason next week and you can get in for $10
Yeah, out of curiosity I looked around at other A10 teams. Most seemed to be $10-15. Columbia is $12 or $13. And it doesn't appear to be a supply/demand issue - their gym holds 3K and attendance last year (per their own boxscores) was anywhere from 500 to 1800 for games I looked at. Oh well, it is what it is - just seemed out of whack to what I would've expected the pricing to be.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mountainredSome random thoughts:
* The defense and ball security were troubling. Surrendering a point a possession and losing the turnover battle to an okay D3 school is a problem.
* The only changes to the first ten guys were that Williams sat out, he's said to be day-to-day, and a bunch of minutes for Fr. Jacob Beccles -- who looked pretty good.
* Max Watson sighting with 6-ish minutes left. Very late for a rotation guy from last year.
with respect to the other thoughts, i'm not concerned with the rotation in the D-III game. let's see what it's like on Saturday.
Sure, today will be more telling, but you have to think Earl likes Beccles since he was running with the regulars starting with the first "line change." I guess we'll see if his PT and Max's were D3 game wonkiness or a sign of how valuable they will be this year.
(I guess we aren't doing a new chain?)
Defense is doing great today. Maybe we shouldn't be saying scrap the press after one game?
Quote from: chimpfoodDefense is doing great today. Maybe we shouldn't be saying scrap the press after one game?
I don't want to jinx anything, but that was about as good a half of basketball as we can hope to see from our guys. 45-24 good guys.
Yeah Fordham has no answer for it so far. Even half-court ball pressure seems to be flustering them. Gray has been great on D.
pretty good view from the front row (non-VIP) across from our bench and they look great after a shaky first couple of minutes. once they settled in Fordham couldn't do anything at either end.
Rose Hill is worth every penny for a ticket.
Fordham's going to be shooting free throws for 15 minutes.
Quote from: Jordan 04Fordham's going to be shooting free throws for 15 minutes.
and for all the tight calls they've been getting they've taken 5 points of the lead in 8+ minutes
Wow the refs are slowing this one down
A lot of play-ons from the first half being called as fouls this half. Both ways.
Refs taking over in the 2nd half. Impressive run from them
This is extremely disappointing.
Someone needs to explain Guy Ragland to me.
When they practice the press, is the other side not practicing how to break it? They've looked lost the entire half.
Even if they hold on, having a 27-point lead and then little but fouls, turnovers, giving up offensive rebounds, and missed free throws is really really ... bad.
PHEW,
Whew.
Great win overall, fordham is a good team. Gotta work on free throws and closing out games but I'll take that result any day.
Now that we can breathe more easily and my nerves have relented ... extremely proud of this team and this coaching staff to beat a solid A-10 team in their gym. I wish they'd learn to play with a lead better, as that was a problem at times last year as well. But you can't ignore opening up a 27-point lead and hanging on after a good team threw everything it could at you.
Part of the problem is that Chris Manon cannot stay out of foul trouble. I know the coaching staff has tried to work on this issue with him. He's their best defender and they need him on the floor late in games like this one.
Quote from: chimpfoodGreat win overall, fordham is a good team. Gotta work on free throws and closing out games but I'll take that result any day.
Absolutely. Don't forget, the Rams were favored. Even though the Big Red had a 27 point lead at one point (if you watched the broadcast, you may not have known that, I'm not sure it ever came up.)
Also have to work on handling pressure and boxing out. Fordham had 9 offensive rebounds in the second half, felt like more, and forced 12 turnovers in the half.
The Almanac had Fordham #8 and George Mason #12 in their pre-season rankings. Cornell will be much better than the two teams Mason has played so far. 2-0 on this swing is not nuts.
Manon has to stop getting cheap hand check fouls. It keeps him off the court and he's easily our most dangerous player.
Our point guards have to keep their heads up during the press. Multiple times Boothby leaked into the frontcourt unguarded but nobody was looking. tbh i don't think they really trust boothby much anymore. they certainly didn't try to get him the ball at all.
negatives aside, that first half was fantastic. naz looked good, noard fights for boards and hits his looks, okereke and nix made some nice plays and gray has real grit.
ragland, man. no touch under the rim and rebounds slip through his hands like he is eating buttered popcorn on the bench.
Looks as if Syracuse won't be hosting future NCAA tournament basketball games on account of not enough hotel rooms. The on-campus Sheraton and its 235 rooms will be converted to dormitories. This per a brief local story, which says the Sheraton comprises 10% of the local hotel rooms. The Sheraton for tournaments past had been used as housing for out-of-town media. It appears to apply to possible future tournaments beyond 2024. The 2024 regional sites are already chosen and public. (The finals sites are chosen all the way out to 2030.)
It was super nice that the 2010 round of sixteen and Cornell's participation wound up in the then-Carrier Dome.
https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/syracuse-ineligible-to-host-ncaa-tournament-after-loss-of-sheratons-hotel-rooms/
There is a plan for another hotel but it will leave a hole for a few years until that gets done.
Penn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
Quote from: chimpfoodPenn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
According to Wikipedia, the Palestra is "often called the Cathedral of College Basketball." I doubt anyone has ever used those words to describe Newman Arena.
Quote from: chimpfoodPenn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
i think some coaches follow the Dean Smith model and give their seniors a homecoming game and i wouldn't be surprised if both teams had a philly kid. we have two seniors from brooklyn (Gray and Ervin) and two from commuter new jersey (Manon and Hansen) which would account for the Fordham game and two from Plano (Boothby and Williams) which maybe should have been SMU or Dallas Baptist but a two hour drive to Waco to see your kid get blown out by Baylor isn't the worst way to spend a day. We don't always do it though, so it might be a coincidence.
When I was an undergrad, Binghamton's own King Rice was at UNC and I don't think Binghamton was D-I at the time. Unfortuantely, the game was scheduled for winter break. I didn't remember this but after playing them at Newman in 1991, we played them in Chapel Hill the next two seasons.
Quote from: chimpfoodPenn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
Penn-Villanova is a Big 5 game, so those get rotated around all the Philly schools' home courts. (Though I think at one time all Big 5 games were played at the Palestra?)
Quote from: WederQuote from: chimpfoodPenn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
Penn-Villanova is a Big 5 game, so those get rotated around all the Philly schools' home courts. (Though I think at one time all Big 5 games were played at the Palestra?)
I thought Villanova quit the Big 5
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: WederQuote from: chimpfoodPenn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
Penn-Villanova is a Big 5 game, so those get rotated around all the Philly schools' home courts. (Though I think at one time all Big 5 games were played at the Palestra?)
I thought Villanova quit the Big 5
Nope, and they let Drexel in so now there are six teams in the Bjg 5.
The Palestra is a remarkable place for basketball history. I would compare it to Matthews Arena.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RAWZXMCH4YI6ZPWKHTDRAO6YCQ.jpg&w=767)
Quote from: TrotskyThe Palestra is a remarkable place for basketball history. I would compare it to Matthews Arena.
They held the EIWA wrestling tournament there last year. Very cool. Different than Rose Hill at Fordham but they share genes.
Quote from: TrotskyThe Palestra is a remarkable place for basketball history. I would compare it to Matthews Arena.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RAWZXMCH4YI6ZPWKHTDRAO6YCQ.jpg&w=767)
Went to Matthews Saturday night. The wall at the west end is being held up by a forest of girders propped against the outside of the wall. Fans not allowed to sit in the balcony sections against that wall. Not a good sign.
Quote from: WederQuote from: ugarteQuote from: WederQuote from: chimpfoodPenn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
Penn-Villanova is a Big 5 game, so those get rotated around all the Philly schools' home courts. (Though I think at one time all Big 5 games were played at the Palestra?)
I thought Villanova quit the Big 5
Nope, and they let Drexel in so now there are six teams in the Bjg 5.
I think Villanova no longer commits to playing all four other teams in the Big 5, claiming it took up too many NC slots on the schedule
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: WederQuote from: ugarteQuote from: WederQuote from: chimpfoodPenn beats Villanova, stop sleeping on the Ivy League. Also, how in the world did Penn manage to get Villanova and Kentucky to come to their house this year? I would kill to just get Syracuse to come to Newman once.
Penn-Villanova is a Big 5 game, so those get rotated around all the Philly schools' home courts. (Though I think at one time all Big 5 games were played at the Palestra?)
I thought Villanova quit the Big 5
Nope, and they let Drexel in so now there are six teams in the Bjg 5.
I think Villanova no longer commits to playing all four other teams in the Big 5, claiming it took up too many NC slots on the schedule
I think that's why they switched to a format this year with two three-team groups. Each team plays the other two teams in their group and then one crossover game.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyThe Palestra is a remarkable place for basketball history. I would compare it to Matthews Arena.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RAWZXMCH4YI6ZPWKHTDRAO6YCQ.jpg&w=767)
Went to Matthews Saturday night. The wall at the west end is being held up by a forest of girders propped against the outside of the wall. Fans not allowed to sit in the balcony sections against that wall. Not a good sign.
Well they need to refurb it, because other than Gutterson and Appleton it's the most (only) beautiful barn left in the US.
Wait Barton is still in use..
George Mason up 43-42 at halftime.
I thought that was a good first half. Guy had a fantastic first half. I like that version of him better. Naz had a terrible half, which is not like him. I can't believe his second half won't be better. Mason's team looks substantially better than Fordham's to me. Our rebounding really improved as the half went on. And we didn't have many free throws so we couldn't miss many.
The first minute of this half reminds me of Kentucky being down 10-2 and Calipari telling them "you gotta be kidding", and Cousins and Wall and the rest of them just out-athleted us. That's what it looks like Mason is trying to do. If we can fend it off they'll tire themselves out.
Other than missing an obvious walk on Ragland, the officiating in this game has seemed decidedly one-sided. And not for the good guys.
OK this is now ridiculous. An ordinary loose ball foul is a flagrant 1 at a critical juncture. Laughable.
Cornell dropping threes and cut it to 1. I think they called a charge right before the commercial break but the announcers seemed to think that Manon fouled out on the play. We'll see!
Quote from: ugarteCornell dropping threes and cut it to 1. I think they called a charge right before the commercial break but the announcers seemed to think that Manon fouled out on the play. We'll see!
It was Manon's 5th. Ugh.
Their big guy Kelly pushes the defender away on every move in the paint. Not a whistle.
Terrible sequence. GM hits the free throws, Naz with a clumsy pass to a cutting Gray, GM scores an easy layup. Hanson throws a dunk off the back rim. Down 5, GM ball with 2:45 left.
Quote from: Mr. NissTheir big guy Kelly pushes the defender away on every move in the paint. Not a whistle.
That's basketball. Come on, man.
Damn. Cut it to 3, fouled out their big man, and they hit a dagger 3 with the shot clock expiring before swiping the ball on a backdoor cut. Down 8 with 1:26 left.
Quote from: ugarteDamn. Cut it to 3, fouled out their big man, and they hit a dagger 3 with the shot clock expiring before swiping the ball on a backdoor cut. Down 8 with 1:26 left.
90-83 final. They were too tough in the paint and we were sloppy with the ball when we had to rush. Our perimeter game was good though.
Kudos to Isaiah Gray. He is a one man clinic on defense. As in past years Cornell struggles to guard near the rim.
The Ivy League is looking really good this year, Princeton and penn especially have some big wins. Not too concerned yet because all out of conference games are basically just ramping up to Ivy play but we are certainly going to have to play better than we did tonight if we want to win the Ivy or even make the Ivy League tournament
Quote from: chimpfoodThe Ivy League is looking really good this year, Princeton and penn especially have some big wins. Not too concerned yet because all out of conference games are basically just ramping up to Ivy play but we are certainly going to have to play better than we did tonight if we want to win the Ivy or even make the Ivy League tournament
I think this is easily an ILT team tbh but things can go awry. It is a good year for the league, though.
Harvard and Yale looking good too.
The top 6 Ivy teams (excluding Dartmouth and Columbia) all look solid. Yale and Princeton are likely a cut above, so it appears likely to be a 4-team battle for the the other 2 spots in the Ivy tournament. But a lot of basketball left to be played.
I wonder how much longer they'll keep running out Nix in the starting lineup. He's just not hitting any shots right now.
Re barns: Appleton Arena at St. Lawrence got a refurb in 2020. It's still dark wood seats (photo) for the olde barn feel. But now a spiffy facade, entry concourse, meeting rooms / video rooms on the outside of the concourse. They probably tuned up the bleeping siren to make it even louder. Just the right feel for a school of 2,100.
The new Colgate rink is the benchmark for small schools. I know we all love Lynah to a fault. But Colgate's huge, wide concourse at the top of the bowl allows an extra 500? more? attendees beyond the seating capacity of 2200. And the higher roof allows for better video angles than Lynah affords.
Appleton Arena fall 2023 (capacity 3200):
Quote from: billhowardAnd the higher roof allows for better video angles than Lynah affords
Low roof crowd noise > high roof video angles every day of the week.
considering you could run all the video off remote cameras I dont think High angles are really an issue if you use the right equipment,
Quote from: upprdeckconsidering you could run all the video off remote cameras I dont think High angles are really an issue if you use the right equipment,
Nevermind that, can we talk about the assault on the senses every venue seems to want? Even the modest & thin video scoreboard I can see in the photo of Appleton is entirely too many blazingly bright photons to completely ruin the setting.
And don't get me started on the apparent need to have thumping DJs blasting tweeter-tearing music in (nearly) every arena at every stoppage. If ADs want to trim budgets, start by firing the DJs.
At the Cornell-Penn football game, there was a large home band, a larger visiting band, and a half-broken speaker. Guess which of the three was allowed to play most of the time?
Quote from: RichHQuote from: upprdeckconsidering you could run all the video off remote cameras I dont think High angles are really an issue if you use the right equipment,
Nevermind that, can we talk about the assault on the senses every venue seems to want? Even the modest & thin video scoreboard I can see in the photo of Appleton is entirely too many blazingly bright photons to completely ruin the setting.
And don't get me started on the apparent need to have thumping DJs blasting tweeter-tearing music in (nearly) every arena at every stoppage. If ADs want to trim budgets, start by firing the DJs.
At the Cornell-Penn football game, there was a large home band, a larger visiting band, and a half-broken speaker. Guess which of the three was allowed to play most of the time?
Some time ago some Harvard MBA figured out if you pummel people they but more shit. Same reason every baseball stadium ruins the experience with piped in garbage music and noise.
Nobody ever went broke racing to the bottom.
Quote from: upprdeckconsidering you could run all the video off remote cameras I dont think High angles are really an issue if you use the right equipment,
Remote cameras at center ice could be placed only a couple feet higher (than they are now a couple feet higher than the upper press table) before you run into the flags. But a camera high-ish up in the corner, and a second placed diagonally across at the other end, they'd capture better angles, including puck battles in the corners. Broadcasts from Lynah also doesn't provide access to the cameras mounted directly over the goals.
This photo is from Section M, center ice, two-thirds of the way up; the flags obscure more when you get to the level of the upper press box. Soft attendance? Early in the Minnesota Duluth game.
I'm not a huge fan of the music during play stoppages and of the Tokyo-by-Night graphics on the video scoreboard. But I'm old. If it brings younger fans and keeps them coming, well, more power to them.
Quote from: billhowardI'm not a huge fan of the music during play stoppages and of the Tokyo-by-Night graphics on the video scoreboard. But I'm old. If it brings younger fans and keeps them coming, well, more power to them.
I'm not convinced it appeals to younger fans either. It's just stupidity.
I guess you can argue that stupidity will appeal to more people. But I imagine the decisions at the Consulting Firm go like this:
1. How do I know what the common man likes?
2. I am not common.
3. I hate this.
4. Therefore, the common man must like this.
But I don't know of anyone who wants garbage noises smashed into them at 120 dB. The keeeds' music is
music, it isn't crap. And playing little out take blurbs of songs people like isn't music, it's annoying
and pandering.
The reduction of people to Homo Derpus Commercia is not for
their benefit. It's lab rats being given electroshock.
Quote from: TrotskyThe reduction of people to Homo Derpus Commercia is not for their benefit. It's lab rats being given electroshock.
I just want to see Cornell not hit the post.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckconsidering you could run all the video off remote cameras I dont think High angles are really an issue if you use the right equipment,
Remote cameras at center ice could be placed only a couple feet higher before you run into the flags. But a camera high-ish up in the corner, and a second placed diagonally across at the other end, they'd capture better angles, including puck battles in the corners. Broadcasts from Lynah also doesn't provide access to the cameras mounted directly over the goals.
This is from Section M, center ice, two-thirds of the way up; the flags obscure more when you get to the level of the upper press box. Soft attendance? Early in the Minnesota Duluth game.
RIT has a remote camera at center ice that follows the play to either end. some great angles off that one.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyThe reduction of people to Homo Derpus Commercia is not for their benefit. It's lab rats being given electroshock.
I just want to see Cornell not hit the post.
Plenty go completely over the net.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyThe reduction of people to Homo Derpus Commercia is not for their benefit. It's lab rats being given electroshock.
I just want to see Cornell not hit the post.
Plenty go completely over the net.
This year it's pucks jumping up onto their edge just as we get a stick on them.\\
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Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyThe reduction of people to Homo Derpus Commercia is not for their benefit. It's lab rats being given electroshock.
I just want to see Cornell not hit the post.
Plenty go completely over the net.
This year it's pucks jumping up onto their edge just as we get a stick on them.\\
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.75cfd207095e0d9bf43601f0fe8609e7?rik=uWARqb5OSlX0EA&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
We should probably let the basketball fans have this thread back. Sorry, folks!
Quote from: RichHthe basketball fans
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Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHthe basketball fans
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82-63 over CSU-Fullerton with 2:27 to go
Quote from: Al DeFlorio82-63 over CSU-Fullerton with 2:27 to go
88-70 final. I didn't pay to see the stream, but a nice bounce back win against what appears to be a not particularly strong Big West team.
I didn't either Scoop, way too pricey IMHO. From the box score, it is nice to see a win where the good guys jumped in front and stayed ahead comfortably. Utah Valley turned the ball over 21 times in their win yesterday, hope that is a good sign for us.
Insane subscription fees for what does not look like an interesting set of offerings behind the paywall and no single-event option. And it's not like the event was making money from ticket sales. The photo attached to the game recap (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/11/19/mens-basketball-mens-hoops-runs-past-cal-state-fullerton-advances-to-bay-bracket-final.aspx) may be the most swagless event photo I've ever seen. The action shot is a free throw.
Quote from: ugarteInsane subscription fees for what does not look like an interesting set of offerings behind the paywall and no single-event option. And it's not like the event was making money from ticket sales. The photo attached to the game recap (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/11/19/mens-basketball-mens-hoops-runs-past-cal-state-fullerton-advances-to-bay-bracket-final.aspx) may be the most swagless event photo I've ever seen. The action shot is a free throw.
I think they may be playing in a HS gym. Hilarious.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteInsane subscription fees for what does not look like an interesting set of offerings behind the paywall and no single-event option. And it's not like the event was making money from ticket sales. The photo attached to the game recap (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/11/19/mens-basketball-mens-hoops-runs-past-cal-state-fullerton-advances-to-bay-bracket-final.aspx) may be the most swagless event photo I've ever seen. The action shot is a free throw.
I think they may be playing in a HS gym. Hilarious.
They are playing at D2 Flagler College in St. Augustine. A daughter of a good friend and law partner of mine played soccer there. Gorgeous campus, crappy gym. But at least a gym.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorio82-63 over CSU-Fullerton with 2:27 to go
88-70 final. I didn't pay to see the stream, but a nice bounce back win against what appears to be a not particularly strong Big West team.
Could you share how much the cost was?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorio82-63 over CSU-Fullerton with 2:27 to go
88-70 final. I didn't pay to see the stream, but a nice bounce back win against what appears to be a not particularly strong Big West team.
Could you share how much the cost was?
$27 for a tournament pass (https://passthaballlive.com/subscribe/)
Cornell up 15-9 midway through the first half. Good, compact, readable livestats (https://flaglerathletics.com/sidearmstats/mbball/media).
Quote from: ugarteCornell up 15-9 midway through the first half. Good, compact, readable livestats (https://flaglerathletics.com/sidearmstats/mbball/media).
28-24 good guys at the half.
Looks like neither team is shooting worth a **&%.
Quote from: mountainredLooks like neither team is shooting worth a **&%.
Second half going much better. 8 minutes in and the Red have stretched the lead to 13.
Good guys are going to win, up double digits in the last minute, but the Wolverines(!) have been on a 9-0 run.
Quote from: mountainredGood guys are going to win, up double digits in the last minute, but the Wolverines(!) have been on a 9-0 run.
74-61 win. Not worried about 9 point runs late in games that never let them close to within single digits. As opposed, say, to the second half at Fordham where it got frighteningly close.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mountainredGood guys are going to win, up double digits in the last minute, but the Wolverines(!) have been on a 9-0 run.
74-61 win. Not worried about 9 point runs late in games that never let them close to within single digits. As opposed, say, to the second half at Fordham where it got frighteningly close.
First, I wanted to say Wolverines!
Second, sure they weren't going to blow a 22 point lead in the last four minutes, but I want see the regulars (Manon, Gray, Williams) do a better job of closing out games.
EDIT: But winning by 13 over a team KenPom had us beating by 3 is good.
huzzah to the champions of the jacksonville classic bay bracket
Quote from: ugartehuzzah to the champions of the jacksonville classic bay bracket
That looks like the participation trophy that my son got for playing in the 6-year-old rec. soccer league.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugartehuzzah to the champions of the jacksonville classic bay bracket
That looks like the participation trophy that my son got for playing in the 6-year-old rec. soccer league.
that was almost verbatim my alt text joke on bluesky which has a typo in it that i will think about forever
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ugartehuzzah to the champions of the jacksonville classic bay bracket
That looks like the participation trophy that my son got for playing in the 6-year-old rec. soccer league.
that was almost verbatim my alt text joke on bluesky which has a typo in it that i will think about forever
I thought it was a lightbulb.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioI thought it was a lightbulb.
Yes, it's dinky, but we won and it still leaves plenty of space in our trophy cabinet for more.
What are the March 2024 Sweet Sixteen arenas? Should we pencil them in?
Cornell could make it unbeaten through December 5. Then Syracuse. The losing streak is 42. Last 2 wins over the Orange were the years where protesting ROTC and Vietnam was a major sport. Even in 2009-2010, out Sweet Sixteen year, we lost by 15 to the Orange. Also: This is an at-Syracuse series now. It was home-and-home through 1981.
Quote from: billhowardWhat are the March 2024 Sweet Sixteen arenas? Should we pencil them in?
Did you forget to use your sarcasm font?
Dunno, I've been feeling off ever since I saw this photo commemorating our Florida tournament success. Especially when you see the great photos coming from Ned Dykes for Cornell hockey fans, in addition to the official Cornell hockey sports information pix.
Quote from: billhowardDunno, I've been feeling off ever since I saw this photo commemorating our Florida tournament success. Especially when you see the great photos coming from Ned Dykes for Cornell hockey fans, in addition to the official Cornell hockey sports information pix.
IT'S AWESOME BABY
Quote from: billhowardWhat are the March 2024 Sweet Sixteen arenas? Should we pencil them in?
Cornell could make it unbeaten through December 5.
we lost to George Mason last week
we (101) are currently rated higher than syracuse (118) on kenpom but that has to be an artifact of their three wins over bad teams and a loss to tennessee (and another probably coming against gonzaga tonight). it's not like we've played a killer schedule either, though, so idk. maybe because we haven't played a home game yet (D3 game aside) and they have three road wins and a neutral site loss. i still don't think we're the favorite lol.
Interesting game tonight vs monmouth had the lead couldnt really pull away but held on,
Cooper noard seems special
They went pretty cold from 3 in 2nd half and free throws were an adventure but take the win.
Fine start to the game, just need a little more shooting luck. One thing I am getting pretty frustrated about though is our inability to get the ball to cutters. It seems like Ragland and Hansen cannot stop trying to find these passes but our success rate on them is painfully low, whether it be because of a bad pass or the cutter being unable to reel in the ball.
Quote from: chimpfoodFine start to the game, just need a little more shooting luck. One thing I am getting pretty frustrated about though is our inability to get the ball to cutters. It seems like Ragland and Hansen cannot stop trying to find these passes but our success rate on them is painfully low, whether it be because of a bad pass or the cutter being unable to reel in the ball.
Cornell beat Lafayette 79-71 to move to 7-1. Nice.
Dare to dream!
Drexk beat Vill today
SU cant shoot at all.
No better day than this one to end our 42 game losing streak to cuse
ESPN+ video link on schedule (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule).
LGR!
its on the acc network for those using real tv stations.
The announcers are almost completely silent, which is nice. When they do speak, you miss the silence.
What odd-looking young men.
Gotta hit the threes. Gotta recruit a big man...Jeff Foote II.
Hanging around but our 3s are brutal.
Mintz is such a PITA.
Drawing 3 fouls on one possession, nice.
It would appear to be our strategy to not score any points but draw enough fouls that the entire Syracuse team fouls out, and then we can score 40 unanswered points in the final minute.
Down to a six-point deficit. Cornell has played well despite not being able to hit a barn door with a banjo.
Down to 3, 2:43 to go.
Awful final two minutes. Blech.
Nice job defending and hanging around; nothing but bricks whenever we needed a shot.
Quote from: TrotskyAwful final two minutes. Blech.
Nice job defending and hanging around; nothing but bricks whenever we needed a shot.
yep. after we got it to 3 it all fell apart. turnovers and bricks. coming that close hurt.
It will be a test to see how Cornell plays with teams in the ivy. As bad as SU is right now they still had better athletes at every spot on the floor. The fact that are such a dumb team helps teams like Cornell stay in the game.
Cornell played very well vs. Syracuse last evening. We just could not sink the three pointers when we needed them. However I would not call Syracuse a "dumb team" as they are a great Upstate NY rival. I would love to see Brian Earl pull out the win at the Dome sometime and I think we could have won with a few key three pointers. Go Big Red!!!
I think he meant it literally, they play dumb. And they do, I was amazed at just how badly they seemed to put all of the great elements together. Even when Mintz was sitting, the way they threw the ball around the perimeter was amazing -- so much cleaner, sharper, faster than we. And it seemed like every time they got a clear 3 they sunk it.
But they just did dumb things all night, including that stretch where they handed us 9 defensive fouls in the first couple minutes of the second half and got half their team into deep foul trouble. That almost sunk them. With their skill level and how hot they were last night we should not have been within 20 for most of the night, and yet we pulled to within one possession before we remembered we were an Ivy League team.
I don't know whether that's bad coaching or what.
Su has better players.. CU plays better as a team. If the SU big had some center skills SU wins by 30..
The Red could have pulled it out with better 3 point shooting and free throws. They have been in a bit of a 3 point slump lately and it needs to improve in order to get to Ivy playoffs.
Next game on Tuesday, December 19 against 2-8 Siena College.
Cornell recruit.
https://www.myrecordjournal.com/Sports/Meriden-Sports/Platt-basketball-player-Anthony-Nimani-commits-to-Cornell.html
The Girls put up a pretty good fight against a decent SU team last night.. Led most of the game until the full court pressure broke them down.
And another guard committed Mateen Rafiq.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/cornell
Haven't been able to find any PF or C recruits yet. I hope Earl can bring in a big C in this next class.
Cornell with an easy 95-74 win over Siena College.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell with an easy 95-74 win over Siena College.
Down year, though. 2-9.
A win is a win. Getting outrebounded 50-36 a bit concerning. Is there a 7 footer in the transfer portal (LOL!)
Quote from: rss77A win is a win. Getting outrebounded 50-36 a bit concerning. Is there a 7 footer in the transfer portal (LOL!)
Cornell has been searching for that 7 footer since Jeff Foote graduated.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: rss77A win is a win. Getting outrebounded 50-36 a bit concerning. Is there a 7 footer in the transfer portal (LOL!)
Cornell has been searching for that 7 footer since Jeff Foote graduated.
going to need someone to have a life-altering injury to find another
Cornell vs Robert Morris U. Friday 2:00 PM
Quote from: Ken711Cornell vs Robert Morris U. Friday 2:00 PM
Maybe they could play in Barton Hall. Players just get up from the exam tables and walk over to the court.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711Cornell vs Robert Morris U. Friday 2:00 PM
Maybe they could play in Barton Hall. Players just get up from the exam tables and walk over to the court.
I'm sure finals are done by this point. Otherwise, it's a great suggestion.
The shooting is just horrible.
Poor Rebounding too
Robert Morris getting 2nd shots
Phew, stressful last 10 minutes and some unfavorable calls but we get the W. I'm still shocked by how little max watson is playing, wonder what's going on.
Nice bounce back. These games are such rollercoasters. They shoot so much that they have multiple hot and cold runs in The same half.
RMU 44.4% on 3-pointers, and rebounds abounded. Seemed like it was higher than that, and I think it was for a while. Remarkable that the Big Red found themselves down by only five at the half, the way the momentum felt in the first half. RMU was absolutely abysmal from the line, and it cost them badly.
A small, but vocal, Cornell contingent I'm pleased to report.
Good to see Nazir get back in the flow of today's game. I continue to be impressed with Okereke—how was this guy a walk on? And Beccles continues to improve and get more quality PT.
The team has hardly played at home, and finally gets back to Newman next week in what shapes up to be an interesting game against Colgate. The Raiders have been up-and-down, and come off a bad loss yesterday at Iona. If we play up to our capabilities it's a game we should win.
Quote from: scoop85Good to see Nazir get back in the flow of today's game. I continue to be impressed with Okereke—how was this guy a walk on? And Beccles continues to improve and get more quality PT.
The team has hardly played at home, and finally gets back to Newman next week in what shapes up to be an interesting game against Colgate. The Raiders have been up-and-down, and come off a bad loss yesterday at Iona. If we play up to our capabilities it's a game we should win.
I had noticed this as well and really hopes it pays off. Despite the wins we've racked up over the past few years in the regular season, I've always had the feeling that in tight, close games we would just wilt a bit. Any road W is a good W in college bball, and to be 9-2 with only 2 home games so far is hopefully character building for when we're in those tight ILT games.
Is ILT at home sites or always the Palestra?
Quote from: TrotskyIs ILT at home sites or always the Palestra?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League_men%27s_basketball_tournament
Quote from: tychoRMU was absolutely abysmal from the line, and it cost them badly.
RMU was 11-for-23 from the foul line, while Cornell was 20-for-22. In a five-point game, that was the difference.
Princeton is running away with the Ivies on Kenpom (48) and are maybe an at-large candidate if they are a one-loss team heading into the ILT and get get upset. Cornell is creeping up on Yale for second (both in the 110s) in the conference with Harvard in 4th (~150). If this keeps up, great news. I like getting to the ILT. Just need a chance.
ILT at Columbia this year.
Quote from: CASILT at Columbia this year.
Was about to correct you because Wikipedia says it's in Providence, but you're right (http://ivyleague.com/feature/ivymadness2024). It was slated for Brown, but moved to Columbia in February (https://ivyhoopsonline.com/2023/02/08/2024-ivy-league-tournaments-moved-from-brown-to-columbia/).
Quote from: ugartePrinceton is running away with the Ivies on Kenpom (48) and are maybe an at-large candidate if they are a one-loss team heading into the ILT and get get upset. Cornell is creeping up on Yale for second (both in the 110s) in the conference with Harvard in 4th (~150). If this keeps up, great news. I like getting to the ILT. Just need a chance.
Cornell's entire history in basketball in the era of the formalized Ivy League play with a few exceptions and the notable 2010 sweet sixteen run has been to be happy with what we've got. But, okay, it's better than being "voted to finish eighth in the league" as has been the lot of football the past decade.
Quote from: billhowardCornell's entire history in basketball in the era of the formalized Ivy League play with a few exceptions and the notable 2010 sweet sixteen run has been to be happy with what we've got.
One of the exceptions, during the Bill Bradley era, we were the only Ivy team to beat Princeton. Barton Hall was packed and Blaine Aston made a jump shot to win it.
Also the era when Cornell with Black players beat Kentucky at Kentucky. Legend has it that the Wildcats' coach, Adolph Rupp, realized the future of basketball was not White-only. We won 92-77 (December 1968) and it helped Rupp let the state of Kentucky see the handwriting on the wall. That and Kentucky six months earlier losing the NCAA championship to UTEP (now Texas Western) with all-Black starters.
Quote from: billhowardAlso the era when Cornell with Black players beat Kentucky at Kentucky. Legend has it that the Wildcats' coach, Adolph Rupp, realized the future of basketball was not White-only. We won 92-77 (December 1968) and it helped Rupp let the state of Kentucky see the handwriting on the wall. That and Kentucky six months earlier losing the NCAA championship to UTEP (now Texas Western) with all-Black starters.
UTEP now, TW then. Fascinating campus in Bhutanese style..
Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardCornell's entire history in basketball in the era of the formalized Ivy League play with a few exceptions and the notable 2010 sweet sixteen run has been to be happy with what we've got.
One of the exceptions, during the Bill Bradley era, we were the only Ivy team to beat Princeton. Barton Hall was packed and Blaine Aston made a jump shot to win it.
I was there, sitting on the floor of Barton Hall because all the seats wee taken.
I once looked up that win over Kentucky and it was in easily the worst year of the Rupp era.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioUTEP now, TW then. Fascinating campus in Bhutanese style..
I'm sorry, what?
Holy fuck (https://www.utep.edu/about/bhutan.html#:~:text=Nearly%20all%20of%20the%20buildings,inset%20with%20mosaic%2Dtiled%20mandalas.):
QuoteUTEP's campus is known for its striking architecture, inspired by the Himalayan mountain-top fortresses of the Kingdom of Bhutan. Nearly all of the buildings on campus incorporate Bhutanese architectural elements—massive sloping walls, high inset windows, overhanging roofs, and darks bands of brick inset with mosaic-tiled mandalas. The buildings, like fortresses rise out of the mountain landscape. The earthly colors accented with deep red brick and green and dark brown trim seem to blend into the terrain, yet they do not evoke the typical southwestern motif. At first brush, it might seem strange to find Bhutanese architecture sprawling across a university campus in western Texas, but the style has been a part of the campus design since 1917.
Bhutan's remoteness and self-imposed isolation kept it off of the beaten tracks of most tourists and adventurers until the late 20th century. However, those involved with the administration of British India did visit the kingdom on official business. John Claude White, a British political officer in India, took with him on one of his visits a photographic studio complete with large-format cameras and glass photographic plates carried on the backs of pack animals. The tale of his trip along with the photographs made it into the pages of the National Geographic Magazine's April 1914 issue. Among the many images were those of the countries unique architecture.
One of the 330,000 readers to the National Geographic Magazine in 1914 was the wife of the dean of the School of Mines, Kathleen Worrell. A travel writer herself, Kathleen was devoted reader of the flagship travelogue. Following the devastating Fort Bliss fire that destroyed the School of Mines' original main building, Kathleen, the legend goes, convinced her husband to adopt the Bhutanese style in the designs for the replacement buildings that were planned for the new Franklin Mountain site. Her husband, Dean Steve Worrell agreed and promptly convinced the faculty of the idea. So enamored were they that Worrell and the faculty harshly rebuffed an attempt by the noted architectural firm of Trost & Trost to adopt their non-Bhutanese inspired design submissions.
In the late 1960s, Dale Walker, a UTEP faculty member wrote a letter that he sent to the remote and isolated Kingdom of Bhutan, seeking comments on UTEP's Bhutanese-inspired architectural motif. Walker received a response from a member of the Bhutanese royal family who found it "thrilling and deeply moving" that a university in far-off America would erect buildings modeled on her native Bhutan. Thus began an official relationship between UTEP and the Kingdom of Bhutan, fifty years after the Worrells adopted Bhutan.
I did not expect that in Derpistan. Huh.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioUTEP now, TW then. Fascinating campus in Bhutanese style..
I'm sorry, what?
Holy fuck (https://www.utep.edu/about/bhutan.html#:~:text=Nearly%20all%20of%20the%20buildings,inset%20with%20mosaic%2Dtiled%20mandalas.):
QuoteUTEP's campus is known for its striking architecture, inspired by the Himalayan mountain-top fortresses of the Kingdom of Bhutan. Nearly all of the buildings on campus incorporate Bhutanese architectural elements—massive sloping walls, high inset windows, overhanging roofs, and darks bands of brick inset with mosaic-tiled mandalas. The buildings, like fortresses rise out of the mountain landscape. The earthly colors accented with deep red brick and green and dark brown trim seem to blend into the terrain, yet they do not evoke the typical southwestern motif. At first brush, it might seem strange to find Bhutanese architecture sprawling across a university campus in western Texas, but the style has been a part of the campus design since 1917.
Bhutan's remoteness and self-imposed isolation kept it off of the beaten tracks of most tourists and adventurers until the late 20th century. However, those involved with the administration of British India did visit the kingdom on official business. John Claude White, a British political officer in India, took with him on one of his visits a photographic studio complete with large-format cameras and glass photographic plates carried on the backs of pack animals. The tale of his trip along with the photographs made it into the pages of the National Geographic Magazine's April 1914 issue. Among the many images were those of the countries unique architecture.
One of the 330,000 readers to the National Geographic Magazine in 1914 was the wife of the dean of the School of Mines, Kathleen Worrell. A travel writer herself, Kathleen was devoted reader of the flagship travelogue. Following the devastating Fort Bliss fire that destroyed the School of Mines' original main building, Kathleen, the legend goes, convinced her husband to adopt the Bhutanese style in the designs for the replacement buildings that were planned for the new Franklin Mountain site. Her husband, Dean Steve Worrell agreed and promptly convinced the faculty of the idea. So enamored were they that Worrell and the faculty harshly rebuffed an attempt by the noted architectural firm of Trost & Trost to adopt their non-Bhutanese inspired design submissions.
In the late 1960s, Dale Walker, a UTEP faculty member wrote a letter that he sent to the remote and isolated Kingdom of Bhutan, seeking comments on UTEP's Bhutanese-inspired architectural motif. Walker received a response from a member of the Bhutanese royal family who found it "thrilling and deeply moving" that a university in far-off America would erect buildings modeled on her native Bhutan. Thus began an official relationship between UTEP and the Kingdom of Bhutan, fifty years after the Worrells adopted Bhutan.
I did not expect that in Derpistan. Huh.
A buddy of mine grew up in El Paso and went to UTEP, so I mentioned to him this bit about the Bhutanese architecture. Here's what he told me:
"Yes. We even have our own Buddhist temple. Back around 2014 the Bhutanese government built a small temple for an exposition on the east coast (DC?). After it was over they gave the temple to UTEP, disassembled it and moved it to the campus. Given that UTEP started out as the Texas School of Mines, there's a couple of mine shafts on the campus. If we're lucky the current governor won't find out there's a pagan temple located on a state university."
Or the residents. They're the common clay of the new West.
Quote from: TrotskyOr the residents. They're the common clay of the new West.
Great line.
Cornell opens with a 19-0 run. Colgate cuts lead to 40-33 at the half.
Guy's play continues to be a concern.
This game reminds me too much of Fordham.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioCornell opens with a 19-0 run. Colgate cuts lead to 40-33 at the half.
I'm at the game, and a decent crowd here. No concession stands are open; they have 2 vending machines. Cornell should be embarrassed.
Back to a 15 point lead with 7:43 left.
Yeesh 47 rebounds for Colgate to 31 for Cornell. Rebounding is our Achilles Heel.
Nice win. Hoping to just give Baylor some stress on the second and then go into Ivy play confident.
77-64 final. Cornell at 10-2.
Quote from: rss77Yeesh 47 rebounds for Colgate to 31 for Cornell. Rebounding is our Achilles Heel.
It was weird how often the broadcast said that Cornell was doing a good job on the boards even though our eyes saw offensive rebound after offensive rebound for Colgate.
Tonight we shock the world.
(or perhaps I'm still hungover)
Quote from: Mr. NissTonight we shock the world.
Doubtful.
(https://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/verna-bloom-animal-house.jpg)
17pt dogs.
But the good news is the pace Baylor wants to play at wont be the issue.. Its will we make the wide open 3s and will they miss theirs?
The crowd might be down a bit and maybe the kids are on break down there as well?
This is not where they have played most of their home games.
What's very confusing to me is that Cornell's style of play (fast tempo, full court press, lots of threes) seems to lend itself to plenty of upsets, but inconsistent play. But, what we have actually gotten over the past few years is the team very consistently beating worse teams and never upsetting better teams. We came close vs Miami last year but it is surprising to me that we have never upset a power 5 team recently and have won so consistently against worse teams.
Hard not to love this team.
We have no chance if we don't rebound, and so far I think Baylor has gotten the rebound of every shot they've missed but one. I don't know what the answer is, or if there even is an answer.
Quote from: Mr. NissHard not to love this team.
We have no chance if we don't rebound, and so far I think Baylor has gotten the rebound of every shot they've missed but one. I don't know what the answer is, or if there even is an answer.
Need to recruit that elusive 7 foot center.
Refs not helping us out much, two push offs that led to Baylor O rebounds uncalled and some other soft fouls on Cornell. They did miss a pretty obvious offensive foul on Ragland though so they might just be bad.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Mr. NissHard not to love this team.
We have no chance if we don't rebound, and so far I think Baylor has gotten the rebound of every shot they've missed but one. I don't know what the answer is, or if there even is an answer.
Need to recruit that elusive 7 foot center.
I would make a joke but the circumstances of Jeff Foote winding up with us are not particularly funny.
We were in it until we weren't.
They get to keep shooting until they make. No team can compete like that.
It's a concern in Ivies because Princeton and Yale are excellent rebounding teams.
Missing free throws ... yuck
#21 kills us
Quote from: Mr. Niss#21 kills us
ragland's dribbling is atrocious, same with his post game. He's good other than those issues when he doesn't throw up 8 threes per game, but those are pretty major issues to have.
Fun run right there, let's stay in it
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: Mr. Niss#21 kills us
ragland's dribbling is atrocious, same with his post game. He's good other than those issues when he doesn't throw up 8 threes per game, but those are pretty major issues to have.
His decision-making kills me.
Well at least I finally got my answer for why max watson hasn't been playing.
That's a very good basketball team Cornell played tonight. This game will serve them well as they move forward.
had the ball down 7 late missed the layup and never got close again.
The 3 point shots not falling this season. I think they said during the Colgate game that Cornell was 6th in 3 point shot % amongst the Ivies.
Wells (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/172/cornell-big-red)?
Wow the new Baylor (Foster Pavilion) is beautiful and very cool Cornell was the first to play them in grand opening game. Even Bill Gates was in attendance, although I am not sure of his affiliation with Baylor.
Cornell played well in a lot of areas, but agreed we could not sink shots from the Arc (3 pointers) and there were a bunch of missed foul shots. The Ivy League season is always tough and wishing our team well. Go Big Red!
Quote from: Local MotionEven Bill Gates was in attendance, although I am not sure of his affiliation with Baylor.
Poon (https://www.google.com/search?q=bill+gates+baylor&oq=bill+gates+baylor&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyDwgAEEUYORiDARixAxiABDIGCAEQABgDMggIAhAAGBYYHjINCAMQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAQQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAUQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAYQABiGAxiABBiKBTIGCAcQRRhA0gEIMjUwNWoxajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fbb1b9c3,vid:H_mRBO8l9Jo,st:0).
Quote from: TrotskyWells (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/172/cornell-big-red)?
we play one or two D-III games every year. SUNY Morrisville was one of our first games this year, marking the first time I'd heard of Morrisville (the town, not the school) and I've lived in New York for 50+ years.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyWells (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/172/cornell-big-red)?
we play one or two D-III games every year. SUNY Morrisville was one of our first games this year, marking the first time I'd heard of Morrisville (the town, not the school) and I've lived in New York for 50+ years.
If one wasn't paying attention, one could be surprised to learn that Wells began admitting men in 2005.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyWells (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/172/cornell-big-red)?
we play one or two D-III games every year. SUNY Morrisville was one of our first games this year, marking the first time I'd heard of Morrisville (the town, not the school) and I've lived in New York for 50+ years.
If one wasn't paying attention, one could be surprised to learn that Wells began admitting men in 2005.
Greg is still subject to a campus ban.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyWells (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/172/cornell-big-red)?
we play one or two D-III games every year. SUNY Morrisville was one of our first games this year, marking the first time I'd heard of Morrisville (the town, not the school) and I've lived in New York for 50+ years.
If one wasn't paying attention, one could be surprised to learn that Wells began admitting men in 2005.
Greg is still subject to a campus ban.
Ironically, what got me into trouble in the first place was a restraining order.
Went to a party at Wells in the mid-80s once. It did not go Wells.
Speaking of not going wells, not particularly enthused about the defense played in this first half against Columbia. And Chris Manon needs to stop thinking he's on the Harlem Globetrotters.
Quote from: Mr. NissSpeaking of not going wells, not particularly enthused about the defense played in this first half against Columbia. And Chris Manon needs to stop thinking he's on the Harlem Globetrotters.
Mr. Niss, thank you for joining the storied eLF history in the category of "negative comment that doesn't point out that despite the reasonable criticism, the Cornell is winning." 48-44 good guys at the half.
And a more sincere thank you for reminding me that it was a 6pm start today and I should turn on the game.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissSpeaking of not going wells, not particularly enthused about the defense played in this first half against Columbia. And Chris Manon needs to stop thinking he's on the Harlem Globetrotters.
Mr. Niss, thank you for joining the storied eLF history in the category of "negative comment that doesn't point out that despite the reasonable criticism, the Cornell is winning." 48-44 good guys at the half.
And a more sincere thank you for reminding me that it was a 6pm start today and I should turn on the game.
You're not a fan if you didn't have the 6 PM start on your calendar. Every calendar.
And I usually try to include a compliment but my judgment was clouded by the fact that I bet the mortgage on good guys -12. And then put a downpayment on a yacht when they announced that Columbia's best player is out.
Poor FT and 3PT shooting tonight so far.
Columbia is shooting 56% from 3, and I'm surprised it's not higher.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissSpeaking of not going wells, not particularly enthused about the defense played in this first half against Columbia. And Chris Manon needs to stop thinking he's on the Harlem Globetrotters.
Mr. Niss, thank you for joining the storied eLF history in the category of "negative comment that doesn't point out that despite the reasonable criticism, the Cornell is winning." 48-44 good guys at the half.
And a more sincere thank you for reminding me that it was a 6pm start today and I should turn on the game.
You're not a fan if you didn't have the 6 PM start on your calendar. Every calendar.
And I usually try to include a compliment but my judgment was clouded by the fact that I bet the mortgage on good guys -12. And then put a downpayment on a yacht when they announced that Columbia's best player is out.
That possession where they got three offensive rebounds and missed four three-pointers I thought would kill them, but then Boothby hit back-to-back threes and they were up 9 ... until Columbia of course hit a three. Got a huge break that the next (ridiculous) three was in-and-out.
Cornell got better down the stretch and wins 91-79.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissSpeaking of not going wells, not particularly enthused about the defense played in this first half against Columbia. And Chris Manon needs to stop thinking he's on the Harlem Globetrotters.
Mr. Niss, thank you for joining the storied eLF history in the category of "negative comment that doesn't point out that despite the reasonable criticism, the Cornell is winning." 48-44 good guys at the half.
And a more sincere thank you for reminding me that it was a 6pm start today and I should turn on the game.
You're not a fan if you didn't have the 6 PM start on your calendar. Every calendar.
And I usually try to include a compliment but my judgment was clouded by the fact that I bet the mortgage on good guys -12. And then put a downpayment on a yacht when they announced that Columbia's best player is out.
Push!
Game ball to Nazir Williams
Quote from: rss77Game ball to Nazir Williams
gray was awesome as well
Quote from: rss77Game ball to Nazir Williams
I thought he was great against Baylor. Good to see him put some great games together. I thought his start to the season was not up to his ability. Perhaps he was hurt. He has looked much better more recently.
So I don't get in trouble, the game is tied at 19 (we aren't losing) -- but this first half so far has been quite the shitshow.
Not gonna beat anyone shooting 37.5%. Brutal first half. So many great looks missed. I can't imagine that this continues in the second half.
Edit -- nice to get one right.
Very good second half, I hate the Penn coach so it's nice to beat him.
Manon is playing more under control in not in committing the silly reach in fouls that have put him in foul trouble. Overall good team effort in 2nd half.
Quote from: rss77Manon is playing more under control in not in committing the silly reach in fouls that have put him in foul trouble. Overall good team effort in 2nd half.
Manon had quite a game. Worth checking out the game highlights video, if you haven't already done so.
26-22 over Brown after 12 minutes. Finally hitting threes after woeful shooting start.
40-28 big red with 5 to go in the first half. A nice little hot stretch going right now and brown isn't getting too much against our D.
Free throws and second-chance buckets are Brown's offense.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioFree throws and second-chance buckets are Brown's offense.
Yeah, not so shockingly getting into the bonus about 8 minutes into the game is keeping brown afloat.
the middle 14 minutes of this half were amazing ... the first three and last three, not so amazing
Disorganized, sloppy final three minutes and Brown cuts lead from 16 to 7. Yuck.
We are clearly outplaying them but it so bothers me to see us keep worse teams in the game.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioDisorganized, sloppy final three minutes and Brown cuts lead from 16 to 7. Yuck.
Sometimes I get the feeling that we go on a big run, open up a lead, and some guys on the team begin to think they're Curly Neal and start to play Globetrotters' ball. And next thing you know, we're not blowing them out any longer.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: Al DeFlorioDisorganized, sloppy final three minutes and Brown cuts lead from 16 to 7. Yuck.
Sometimes I get the feeling that we go on a big run, open up a lead, and some guys on the team begin to think they're Curly Neal and start to play Globetrotters' ball. And next thing you know, we're not blowing them out any longer.
Opened up to a 14 lead 2nd half, now back to 8. Offense stagnant again.
The officiating in this game is atrocious. Not unusual and not one-sided. But still atrocious.
Made that way more interesting than it had to be but I can't complain about being 3-0 in the Ivy. I can't wait for the Princeton game at home next week.
That final was *a lot* closer than I thought it was going to be when I looked it up but at least the Brown trey that cut the lead to 84-83 was at the buzzer, so, meaningless as long as we didn't foul.
Went to the game today in person. I think it was around the 2nd half 12 minute timeout (had a ~10+ point lead) where I told my wife, "Any road win is good, and we'll be 3-0 in the Ivy". Needless to say, the rest of the game was not as enjoyable, but the point still stands. Good win
Up next is Wells, who is losing D-III games by 50, so I'm hoping to see some guys who don't play much getting major minutes.
Quote from: ugarteUp next is Wells, who is losing D-III games by 50, so I'm hoping to see some guys who don't play much getting major minutes.
Good opportunity to get some young guys / walk-ons out there and build some team camaraderie.
Cornell 105 Wells 49. Good game for the whole bench to get some minutes. The starters played the first 10 minutes before sitting out the rest of the game.
Any chance Cornell gets into the polls this year, even as "Also receiving votes"?
Quote from: TrotskyAny chance Cornell gets into the polls this year, even as "Also receiving votes"?
If we beat Princeton Saturday I bet we either get a vote then or if we sweep the next weekend as well.
Quote from: TrotskyAny chance Cornell gets into the polls this year, even as "Also receiving votes"?
It could happen with a tailwind and a few more W's including against Princeton and Yale. The AP Top 25 has 46 teams including the also-receiving-votes. Princeton is one of the also-mentioned.
Here is the Ivy League power rankings. Read from the bottom to see which team might upset us.
[b]NCAA Men's College Basketball Power Index 2023-24 (ESPN) 1/22/24[/b]
1 Houston
...
31 Princeton
[color=#FF0000]89 Cornell[/color]
97 Yale
169 Harvard
189 Penn
214 Columbia
258 Brown
337 Dartmouth
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362 Mississippi Valley State 0-19 If the question is, Could Cornell get invited to the dance other than by winning the ILT tournament, it seems on the cusp of possible. 32 teams get autobids, 36 more get invited.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell 105 Wells 49. Good game for the whole bench to get some minutes. The starters played the first 10 minutes before sitting out the rest of the game.
Does anyone know why Isaiah Gray was out and if he'll be back for Princeton?
At the end of the Wells game on ESPN+ it looked like he was favoring his right leg/ankle. Hey how about some love from the Cornell Sun for the Roundballers. Also check out the Big Red Ballers podcast on the Big Red Sports Network website.
If cornell wants to be on the edge of an at large they need to split with Princeton.
Quote from: upprdeckIf cornell wants to be on the edge of an at large they need to split with Princeton.
Yep. This would be a good statement win if they were able to pull it off.
Unfortunately no Gray today vs. Princeton
Quote from: scoop85Unfortunately no Gray today vs. Princeton
Really hurts. He's our best at taking it to the basket.
So far, so good.
This is unbelievable, especially without Gray.
Just like when we were cold against Columbia, you know this won't continue for Princeton in the 2nd half. Hopefully our kids learned from the Fordham game and can step on their throat in the 2nd half irrespective of a Princeton reversal of fortune.
Quote from: Mr. NissJust like when we were cold against Columbia, you know this won't continue for Princeton in the 2nd half. Hopefully our kids learned from the Fordham game and can step on their throat in the 2nd half irrespective of a Princeton reversal of fortune.
yup - second halves have been a bigger issue, even though we do keep hanging on. can't ask for any more out of the first half, though, aside from two unnecessary fouls by Manon.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissJust like when we were cold against Columbia, you know this won't continue for Princeton in the 2nd half. Hopefully our kids learned from the Fordham game and can step on their throat in the 2nd half irrespective of a Princeton reversal of fortune.
yup - second halves have been a bigger issue, even though we do keep hanging on. can't ask for any more out of the first half, though, aside from two unnecessary fouls by Manon.
It seemed noteworthy to me that Brian had Manon and Williams on the floor for much of the half and did not rotate them out like he does in other games. Of course, Gray's absence has a great deal to do with that I'm sure, but it also seems to show the importance that Cornell has placed on this game. And this plan (of having Manon on the floor) is why especially that last foul on Manon was so terrible ... we can't afford for him to wind up in silly foul trouble in the second half.
A couple of nice backdoor cuts to start the half.
That's a great first four minutes because Princeton came out hot.
Quote from: mike1960So far, so good.
1. Up by 19 at the half over Princeton, that's incredible.
2. Versus Princeton in hoops is like versus Harvard in hockey. But there are lots of empty seats.
3. The TV image quality is good; hockey is marginal, perhaps because Cornell's lighting is bush league compared to new rinks such as Colgate and Quinnipiac.
Nice job rebounding, boxing out. Forcing bad shots.
The individual hero ball is not as effective as the good passes.
With 5+ minutes gone, Princeton has only picked up +1 points versus the halftime margin.
Stop fouling. Jeez.
We've elected not to help on the Princeton drives to the basket.
Princeton has decided to double Hansen. He needs to find the open man.
Princeton's gonna have way too many chances to score without time coming off the clock.
That was a clean block!
Quote from: mike1960That was a clean block!
maybe on the follow-through idk but damn it looked clean
Our attack against the full court press looks somewhat labored, my friends.
OK I know I bitch about officiating every game and I've tried not to say anything today. But some of these calls against Cornell, again, are ridiculous.
I think I'd call another timeout and get everyone settled down and on the same page.
This is turning into the disaster I thought we were avoiding. Bad shots, turnovers, fouls, and now Manon has 4.
They are doubling the ball down low. There are easy ways to score when they do that.
Quote from: Mr. NissThis is turning into the disaster I thought we were avoiding. Bad shots, turnovers, fouls, and now Manon has 4.
Another completely unnecessary reach in. you kind of get the aggressiveness in a package deal with what makes him a special player but you have to adjust the dial for game situation. and yeah, niss, some of the calls are ridiculous (thinking of the one on nazir).
Nice job breaking the press, settling the ball and the top, and finding a good shot.
I didn't see the foul.
These referees are incompetent. There's no way that was a foul on Hansen, just like there's no way that was a foul on Nazir.
Looks like a good crowd on the other side!
backdoor hansen to feigen was nice to get the lead back to 14
Yes, sir.
Love Sean Hansen. Dunks and then ultra-cognizant of the situation is immediately in front of the inbounder with his hands up, no dancing or yelling, just defense.
Quote from: Mr. NissLove Sean Hansen. Dunks and then ultra-cognizant of the situation is immediately in front of the inbounder with his hands up, no dancing of yelling, just defense.
He's playing really good basketball.
Thank you Princeton for that airball 3-point attempt from just inside midcourt and then Cornell's return dunk to keep the lead well above 10.
Big man stop dribbling.
Guy. What are you doing.
What a great possession, mainly by Chris Manon. This may be the best game I've seen him play. I can't think of a better one off the top of my head.
Dagger.
Feeling better now that it's +20 with 2:33 to play? We made some mistakes, but Princeton also tried those long 3-pointers.
Who could have predicted this. Great win!!
Interesting schedule coming up. We go on the road for three, including Harvard and then Yale. Then come home for four in a row and at Penn and then at Princeton. You can form your own opinions about the various permutations.
The home win over Princeton was a fair possibility. But by 16 points, 83-67. Whoa!
Cornell did a nice job of figuring out where they could be successful on offense, and they scored some points. Discipline kind of frayed with some questionable shots in the second half. On defense, there's a lot of reaching and sometimes little help on the ball. The full court press looked like it surprised them, and they didn't have a good answer right away. But all's well that ends well.
I have no comment about the officiating.
great day. statement game. really hard to imagine missing the ILT and that's kind of what you want from a team that can't earn at at-large. also, ILT is in New York. sweeeeeeet.
Quote from: mike1960Cornell did a nice job of figuring out where they could be successful on offense, and they scored some points. Discipline kind of frayed with some questionable shots in the second half. On defense, there's a lot of reaching and sometimes little help on the ball. The full court press looked like it surprised them, and they didn't have a good answer right away. But all's well that ends well.
I have no comment about the officiating.
The lead never got below 10. Sure, the second half wasn't ideal, and I was sharting my pants about the lead potentially being whittled away, but it didn't happen, as seems to happen in every other basketball game, college and pro. So, all in all, IMO they did great in the second half, even if there are a few things to try to clean up. This is the best win we've had in I don't know how long ... I'm sure there have been a couple since beating Temple and Wisconsin, but that's my reference point and I'm sticking with it.
What a statement, great crowd and a great win. A comfortable win when getting railed by the refs all game against a team as good as Princeton is very impressive. Not to mention we didn't have grey, one of our better players imo. We shut down lee aside from the fact that he himself had more free throws than our entire team.
Quote from: Mr. NissThe lead never got below 10. Sure, the second half wasn't ideal, and I was sharting my pants about the lead potentially being whittled away, but it didn't happen, as seems to happen in every other basketball game, college and pro. So, all in all, IMO they did great in the second half, even if there are a few things to try to clean up. This is the best win we've had in I don't know how long ... I'm sure there have been a couple since beating Temple and Wisconsin, but that's my reference point and I'm sticking with it.
You are right! I should add they did a really good job on the boards. Love to see those box outs. Also Nazir Williams was 4/4 on three-point shots, and 8/11 on field goals. I say let him keep shooting threes until he misses!
Kudos to Brian Earl and his staff for building this team with guys who were, by and large, unheralded recruits with few if any other D1 offers. And how about walk-on AK Okereke who scored 12 points today? He fills an important roll on the team and is getting better each game.
While an Ivy League title is a long way off, it will be nice to see Cornell listed in this week's Joe Lunardi braketology (although we and Yale are both 4-0 in the league, I'm pretty sure our better overall record will give us he nod).
Meanwhile, the Penn faithful are calling for Donahue's scalp after the Quakers lost at Columbia to fall to 1-3 in the league. I thought he'd thrive back at Penn, but so far he hasn't recaptured the magic of his remarkable stretch at Cornell. And he may be running out of time.
Williams Nails a 3-pointer (https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/39402129)
Blaine Aston once nailed a similar shot against Princeton (https://ivyhoopsonline.com/2015/09/22/cornell-all-time-moment-no-9-cornell-defeats-bill-bradley-the-blaine-aston-shot/) from the other side of the key, IIRC.
Wasn't it our old friend, Big Red Fan (Of the late, lamented Cornell Basketball Blog) who said Zach Spiker, the current Drexel coach, was partially responsible while serving as an Assistant to Donahue.
Wow. Really should've set a reminder and a block of time for this one. A 30-5 run is remarkable. I'm going to have to go back and watch in full. Will next have a chance to avenge men's hockey in Hanover Friday night.
Quote from: scoop85Kudos to Brian Earl and his staff for building this team with guys who were, by and large, unheralded recruits with few if any other D1 offers. And how about walk-on AK Okereke who scored 12 points today? He fills an important roll on the team and is getting better each game.
While an Ivy League title is a long way off, it will be nice to see Cornell listed in this week's Joe Lunardi braketology (although we and Yale are both 4-0 in the league, I'm pretty sure our better overall record will give us he nod).
Meanwhile, the Penn faithful are calling for Donahue's scalp after the Quakers lost at Columbia to fall to 1-3 in the league. I thought he'd thrive back at Penn, but so far he hasn't recaptured the magic of his remarkable stretch at Cornell. And he may be running out of time.
Maybe Donahue's looking for a return gig at Cornell. If Brian Earl continues to be overly successful with a team of unheralded recruits, somebody's going to wave $750K-plus in his face. Maybe he bides his time for a return job at Princeton but as HC. He was patient, a decade as assistant coach for the Tigers.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Kudos to Brian Earl and his staff for building this team with guys who were, by and large, unheralded recruits with few if any other D1 offers. And how about walk-on AK Okereke who scored 12 points today? He fills an important roll on the team and is getting better each game.
While an Ivy League title is a long way off, it will be nice to see Cornell listed in this week's Joe Lunardi braketology (although we and Yale are both 4-0 in the league, I'm pretty sure our better overall record will give us he nod).
Meanwhile, the Penn faithful are calling for Donahue's scalp after the Quakers lost at Columbia to fall to 1-3 in the league. I thought he'd thrive back at Penn, but so far he hasn't recaptured the magic of his remarkable stretch at Cornell. And he may be running out of time.
Maybe Donahue's looking for a return gig at Cornell. If Brian Earl continues to be overly successful with a team of unheralded recruits, somebody's going to wave $750K-plus in his face. Maybe he bides his time for a return job at Princeton but as HC. He was patient, a decade as assistant coach for the Tigers.
I don't think Princeton is dissatisfied in the least with who they have - and he's a Tiger alum too. If Earl's getting taken from us he's getting liftoff from the Ivies. I hope he sticks around, though.
- we moved up only 9 in Ken Pom with the win but Princeton fell like 15 spots -- we should have swapped spots*
- I legitimately felt Brian Earl should have been considered for coach of the year votes for the season coming out of Covid, when we were picked to be second-to-last in the Ivies and he implemented this run-and-gun style and had us in the Ivy tournament. He's a great coach and I am surprised no big program has given him a look yet. We are lucky to have had him as long as we have.
- I did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.
- Naz did not look right to start the season. I've thought he was (or would be) the best player on the team since he was a freshman. After the game, Brian was interviewed and mentioned a host of health issues with which Naz has had to deal since last year. I was not aware of the extent. He finally seems healthy, and it shows.
- Jacob Beccles has been impressive and might be our future.
- I cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.
- I hope some of the seniors who still have a Covid year of eligibility play a fifth year somewhere notable.
(* I'm joking, but was hoping to be better than 101)
Quote from: Mr. NissI did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.
As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on. Whittman was under-recruited because of an injury his senior year and Jeff Foote transferred from St. Bonaventure where he had been a walk-on. They got Cornell to the Sweet-sixteen and Donahue to BC, where he flopped.
That said, I hope Nicki Moore offers Earl a substantial contract extension.
well since Cornell has no scholies arent they all really walkons in some way?
Quote from: upprdeckwell since Cornell has no scholies arent they all really walkons in some way?
Think the difference is that Dale recruited himself by sending a video to Cornell. Foote's mother recruited him for Cornell. So Donahue, in a way, was presented with two of his big three studs on a platter.
Quote from: Mr. Niss- we moved up only 9 in Ken Pom with the win but Princeton fell like 15 spots -- we should have swapped spots*
- I legitimately felt Brian Earl should have been considered for coach of the year votes for the season coming out of Covid, when we were picked to be second-to-last in the Ivies and he implemented this run-and-gun style and had us in the Ivy tournament. He's a great coach and I am surprised no big program has given him a look yet. We are lucky to have had him as long as we have.
- I did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.
- Naz did not look right to start the season. I've thought he was (or would be) the best player on the team since he was a freshman. After the game, Brian was interviewed and mentioned a host of health issues with which Naz has had to deal since last year. I was not aware of the extent. He finally seems healthy, and it shows.
- Jacob Beccles has been impressive and might be our future.
- I cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.
- I hope some of the seniors who still have a Covid year of eligibility play a fifth year somewhere notable.
(* I'm joking, but was hoping to be better than 101)
Article from Okereke's HS days. (http://www.clovisroundup.com/double-threat-how-ak-okereke-found-success-on-court-and-in-classroom/) COVID seems to have put a damper on his recruiting. But he sure can play.
I'm surprised he wasn't recruited just for being 6 foot 7 and 235 pounds of muscle.
Quote from: chimpfoodI'm surprised he wasn't recruited just for being 6 foot 7 and 235 pounds of muscle.
Yeah, so many quality players are missed by college coaching staffs. Look at a guy like Ja Morant (putting aside his personal issues), whose dynamic talent was overlooked by all the power schools.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Mr. NissI did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.
As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on. Whittman was under-recruited because of an injury his senior year and Jeff Foote transferred from St. Bonaventure where he had been a walk-on. They got Cornell to the Sweet-sixteen and Donahue to BC, where he flopped.
That said, I hope Nicki Moore offers Earl a substantial contract extension.
I hope the Cornell AD does as well.
Quote from: Mr. Niss- I cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.
Shonn Miller comes to mind, but that's about it. Love the way he plays
Quote from: George64As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on...
Dale wasn't a walk-on; he was an under-recruited gift who marketed himself to Donohue as a dynamic but 5'9 guard with an Ivy academic profile. I also don't think Foote was a walk-on for the Bonnies, he just wasn't getting much playing time and was apparently miserable.
Quote from: Mr. NissI cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.
Not only is he a terrific player, but he seems to thoroughly enjoys himself. His enthusiasm is infectious, sort of the Jack O'Leary of the hardwood.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on...
Dale wasn't a walk-on; he was an under-recruited gift who marketed himself to Donohue as a dynamic but 5'9 guard with an Ivy academic profile. I also don't think Foote was a walk-on for the Bonnies, he just wasn't getting much playing time and was apparently miserable.
What you say about Dale is correct, but Foote was in fact a walk on for the Bonnies (http://ivyhoopsonline.com/2015/09/30/cornell-all-time-moment-no-3-the-jeff-foote-story/).
Nice that AK was also his HS valedictorian.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on...
Dale wasn't a walk-on; he was an under-recruited gift who marketed himself to Donohue as a dynamic but 5'9 guard with an Ivy academic profile. I also don't think Foote was a walk-on for the Bonnies, he just wasn't getting much playing time and was apparently miserable.
What you say about Dale is correct, but Foote was in fact a walk on for the Bonnies (http://ivyhoopsonline.com/2015/09/30/cornell-all-time-moment-no-3-the-jeff-foote-story/).
wow. can't believe i missed that at the time. thx.
We got two coaches poll votes! We should really appreciate how far the program has come with Brian earl, but hopefully this is just the beginning.
From Zach Spiker and James Jones no doubt.
Quote from: arugulaFrom Zach Spiker and James Jones no doubt.
I'm going with Scott Drew because Baylor is corrupt and they'll do anything to make their program look better.
And thank you all for the other responses. Totally forgot about Shonn Miller. And Bill Courtney, who apparently is an assistant at Miami. Who knew. The years have become a blur. I remember watching games in Barton 40 years ago better than I remember what I saw last season, let alone 10 seasons ago. By the way, last week the Brown guys mentioned Brown winning the Ivy in '86, which is a season that always stayed with me. If I remember correctly, it was quite a battle down the stretch with us and another team (Penn?).
Let's not forget that Dave Bliss, a Cornell grad, got Baylor in a ton of trouble when he was head coach. Drew had to clean up his mess when he was appointed head coach. Not sure if the documentary they did on Bliss a number of years ago they did on Showtime Sports is still available.
Cornell opened game against Dartmouth on a 19-0 run over the first 10 minutes of the game. Hopefully, they can keep Dartmouth from crawling back into the game.
Quote from: dbilmesCornell opened game against Dartmouth on a 19-0 run over the first 10 minutes of the game. Hopefully, they can keep Dartmouth from crawling back into the game.
27-21 at the half. moderately annoying!
Bah-sketball.
From 19-0 to 34-35.::worry::
Offense has become stsgnant.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioFrom 19-0 to 34-35.::worry::
Offense has become stsgnant.
Not going to like this loss after that start.
Me watching that first Ragland 3 with ~2 min left: No no no no no no YES!
Me watching that second Ragland 3 with ~2 min left: No no no no no no NO
Cornell escapes with a 56-53 win.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell escapes with a 56-53 win.
really clean defense on the last Dartmouth possession to force a terrible, awkward three at the buzzer.
Only watched the end because of a hockey game but we can't keep letting bad teams hang with us. Nevertheless, I definitely won't complain much about a 5-0 start in the Ivy League.
After a hot start, I thought it was well in hand! Glad we got it done.
Bigger news is that Princeton went on the road and lost to Yale as well.
So next weeks Yale game becomes even bigger, now that they both have a 2 game lead over Princeton
Quote from: upprdeckBigger news is that Princeton went on the road and lost to Yale as well.
So next weeks Yale game becomes even bigger, now that they both have a 2 game lead over Princeton
The way things seem to be going, getting the #1 seed will be huge for whoever, as that team won't have to play one of Princeton-Yale-us in the first game.
We were lucky to win after shooting 6-for-31 on 3-pointers. Kudos to Cornell, though,, for pulling out a win on a night when it played poorly. As the ex-Dartmouth coach who was doing the ESPN-plus commentary kept saying toward the end of the game, Cornell knows how to pull out close games, as evidenced by its record. If we play like this against Yale next week, though, we'll get blown out. Yale's 7-foot center keeps getting better and better. I watched a few minutes of Yale-Princeton game and it was a raucous atmosphere at Payne Whitney with a packed house making lots of noise. That's going to be a tough environment for any road team.
I thought from the posts that we had lost.
Harvard won't be easy tonight as they have good big man in Agjibor along with Chisom Opara and the freshman guard Malik Mack. They lack quality depth which should help Cornell
Quote from: TrotskyI thought from the posts that we had lost.
True about a lot of game-chatter in the "Other Sports" forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I'm sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyI thought from the posts that we had lost.
True about a lot of game-chatter in the "Other Sports" forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I'm sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.
to be fair to this thread, the posts went from "it's 19-0 Cornell" to "It's 27-21 Cornell" to "we're losing somehow" to "whew! we escaped," so having the in-game posts imply that we might lose is an accurate representation of the game. 1 point was not the largest deficit of the game; Dartmouth was up 8 with 8:30 left.
Quote from: rss77Harvard won't be easy tonight as they have good big man in Agjibor along with Chisom Opara and the freshman guard Malik Mack. They lack quality depth which should help Cornell
Going into the weekend, I was very concerned about the Harvard game. But what happened last night might have been the best thing that could have happened going into tonight's game.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyI thought from the posts that we had lost.
True about a lot of game-chatter in the "Other Sports" forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I'm sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.
to be fair to this thread, the posts went from "it's 19-0 Cornell" to "It's 27-21 Cornell" to "we're losing somehow" to "whew! we escaped," so having the in-game posts imply that we might lose is an accurate representation of the game. 1 point was not the largest deficit of the game; Dartmouth was up 8 with 8:30 left.
When you realize that Dartmouth outscored us something like 44-19 at one point ... I don't even know how to complete that thought.
Man we are such a streaky team (which is quite an understatement, I know). But I love this team like I've never loved a woman.
This is a really likable team. I'm still not sure if they have the "it" factor that I thought the Wittman/Dale/Foote teams had even early on in that run, but definitely the best Cornell team since 2010.
Nice to see a good bounce-back from the near-debacle at Dartmouth. Hopefully, we can give Yale a good game next Saturday.
Nice road win by the Big Red. The first away weekend road sweep since 2019. Yale beat Penn 74-58, with their 7' center leading the way with 24 points. He's going to be force in the Ivy League as he's only a sophomore.
Cornell's first win at Harvard since 2019. The last time Cornell was 6-0 in Ivy League was 2010. Also, Cornell's 10 road wins are tied for most in the NCAA.
Great win, can't wait for the Yale game next week. 6-0 vs 6-0. Hoping to get some votes in the AP poll this week.
Quote from: chimpfoodGreat win, can't wait for the Yale game next week. 6-0 vs 6-0. Hoping to get some votes in the AP poll this week.
can't tell if i can go yet but... tempting
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyI thought from the posts that we had lost.
True about a lot of game-chatter in the "Other Sports" forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I'm sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.
to be fair to this thread, the posts went from "it's 19-0 Cornell" to "It's 27-21 Cornell" to "we're losing somehow" to "whew! we escaped," so having the in-game posts imply that we might lose is an accurate representation of the game. 1 point was not the largest deficit of the game; Dartmouth was up 8 with 8:30 left.
Wanna say I was not being critical of the posts -- they were good information. I was saying I
literally someone how missed that we had won, until I saw the "escaped" post and I exhaled.
I don't think people were grousing (I am on Mets reddit; I know grousing). I think people watching just registered shock at the turnaround.
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
and we lead the ncaa in road wins dont we?
Quote from: Mr. NissI don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
Basketball version of Quint Kessenich?
Is there a world where Cornell continues winning but stumbles in say the Ivy League title game and gets an at large to the dance? I don't know enough about college hoops but have always heard the Ivy League is, and always will be, a one bid league.
Quote from: CU2007Is there a world where Cornell continues winning but stumbles in say the Ivy League title game and gets an at large to the dance? I don't know enough about college hoops but have always heard the Ivy League is, and always will be, a one bid league.
Perhaps if we go 14-0 in the regular season and lose in the final. But even that may be a stretch, since we won't have any quad 1 wins.
Quote from: Mr. NissI don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissI don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.
It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.
Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissI don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.
It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.
Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.
Just win.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissI don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.
It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.
Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.
Just win.
Well, yeah. If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/) as a #13 seed playing Clemson.
Assuming the Ivy autobid?
Quote from: CU2007Is there a world where Cornell continues winning but stumbles in say the Ivy League title game and gets an at large to the dance? I don't know enough about college hoops but have always heard the Ivy League is, and always will be, a one bid league.
Funny you mention this -- before the Cornell-Princeton game, there was talk somewhere (I think it might have been on ESPN) about *Princeton* being an at large team in this exact scenario, running the Ivy table and then losing in the championship game. But they have a much better out-of-conference resume.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: mike1960Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissI don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.
It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.
Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.
Just win.
Well, yeah. If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/) as a #13 seed playing Clemson.
I just saw Lunardi has us as a 14 (aq) vs Iowa State. I think 14 is fair for us should we be the team that emerges, and I say that as someone who (with Jay Bilas) is not over us getting a 12 in 2010. His rant about how we should have gotten the 5 seed in that group allows me to die in peace.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: mountainredQuote from: mike1960Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissI don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.
might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.
It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.
Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.
Just win.
Well, yeah. If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/) as a #13 seed playing Clemson.
I just saw Lunardi has us as a 14 (aq) vs Iowa State. I think 14 is fair for us should we be the team that emerges, and I say that as someone who (with Jay Bilas) is not over us getting a 12 in 2010. His rant about how we should have gotten the 5 seed in that group allows me to die in peace.
We were a 13 last week as AQ before almost bottling the Dartmouth game.While 13 is sometimes an at-large, we were still behind Boise St., 12-seed/last team in.
If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.
Quote from: upprdeckIf they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.
very slight. our SOS going forward isn't great since our best opponents (2-3 games v Yale, 1-2 games v Princeton including at least one loss) are fringe at-large candidates as well. Syracuse being ranked on par with Yale and GMU being roughly on par with us are our two best non-Ivy opponents and they are both losses. I assume we have to win the ILT but also assume we are very good NIT candidates if we finish second.
Quote from: upprdeckIf they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.
Talking about winning out with 8 games left?
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckIf they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.
Talking about winning out with 8 games left?
well, if we
don't win out until the ILT final, there is zero chance.
If they win out. they may be ranked be default and that buys some good will regardless of SOS and NET and stuff
Playoffs? Cornell beat Brown &
Dartmouth on the road by a combined 4 points. Let's see what happens at Yale.
Quote from: CASPlayoffs? Cornell beat Brown &
Dartmouth on the road by a combined 4 points. Let's see what happens at Yale.
When you give a team 38Fts it gets hard to win vs Brown
Then vs Dart we shoot 31 3's and make 6.
Both things we need to avoid as often as we can.
No votes in the polls this week. I certainly don't think that we're a top 25 team in the country but it's a bit confusing to lose our coaches poll votes after winning two on the road this week.
Quote from: chimpfoodNo votes in the polls this week. I certainly don't think that we're a top 25 team in the country but it's a bit confusing to lose our coaches poll votes after winning two on the road this week.
one of them was a white-knuckler against Dartmouth. makes sense to me, if the voter was someone actually paying attention to us.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: chimpfoodNo votes in the polls this week. I certainly don't think that we're a top 25 team in the country but it's a bit confusing to lose our coaches poll votes after winning two on the road this week.
one of them was a white-knuckler against Dartmouth. makes sense to me, if the voter was someone actually paying attention to us.
Maybe it was an "atta boy" courtesy vote and now back to your regularly scheduled programming
Cornell ranked 9th in College Insider mid-major rankings. Princeton 5th and Yale at 17
Quote from: CU2007Maybe it was an "atta boy" courtesy vote and now back to your regularly scheduled programming
To paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield - "We Don't Get No Respect!"
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckIf they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.
very slight. our SOS going forward isn't great since our best opponents (2-3 games v Yale, 1-2 games v Princeton including at least one loss) are fringe at-large candidates as well. Syracuse being ranked on par with Yale and GMU being roughly on par with us are our two best non-Ivy opponents and they are both losses. I assume we have to win the ILT but also assume we are very good NIT candidates if we finish second.
It is probably safe to think "win the ILT or bust." Our best out of conference wins are Colgate and Monmouth or Fordham; I just don't see that getting us in over a power conference team. Along those lines, the NCAA "tweaked" the NIT this offseason. Conference regular-season champions that do not win their conference tournament no longer get an automatic bid to the NIT. Instead, the NIT will guarantee two teams from each of the big six conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC) a bid. So, there are just 20 open slots for an Ivy, and, yes, the power six conferences can send even more to the NIT. Wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA just uses their new all-purpose metric, the NET ranking, where Cornell sits 80th (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings) as I type this.
If hypothetically Cornell did run the table until it lost the Ivy final, we would be 26-4. In my eyes, that would certainly make us deserving of the NCAA tournament. When your record is that good, the fact you don't have any wins over top teams shouldn't be disqualifying. Winning 87% of your games is extremely difficult. In that scenario we would also be nationally ranked. I think we'd get an at-large bid. This is obviously all hypothetical and is very unlikely to occur.
FYI, the ILT is at Columbia and buying all-session tickets is a pain in the ass online. The online system doesn't filter out tickets that are no longer available for all sessions, so you keep getting "sorry, try again" messages. I ultimately wrote to their box office and ordered by phone. (lionstickets@columbia.edu)
How do they choose the ILT location? Does it rotate?
Yeah it rotates. Cornell is scheduled to host next year but I'm also seeing that this year was supposed to be at brown so it seems like there could be a change.
Quote from: TrotskyHow do they choose the ILT location? Does it rotate?
Yes but they have already deviated from the preannounced schedule. This year was supposed to be Brown but will be at Columbia. Cornell is supposed to host in 2025.
"The future of the rotation remains under continuous evaluation."
https://ivyhoopsonline.com/2023/02/08/2024-ivy-league-tournaments-moved-from-brown-to-columbia/
College sports as we know it may be over.
NLRB rules that Dartmouth basketball players can unionize (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/business/dartmouth-basketball-nlrb-union.html)
Quote from: djk26College sports as we know it may be over.
NLRB rules that Dartmouth basketball players can unionize (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/business/dartmouth-basketball-nlrb-union.html)
Rick Pitino isn't one of my favorite people, but in the aftermath of this ruling he actually made a suggestion (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39471080/rick-pitino-says-college-basketball-needs-salary-cap) which I've been saying for a long time. He's calling for colleges to pay salaries to the athletes, and quit the facade (at least at many schools) of the "student-athlete." Just pay them to play for their schools and have a salary cap.
Pitino tweeted Tuesday that the major conferences in college basketball should join forces and create a salary cap of up to $2 million. He did not specify if that number would include name, image and likeness payments or funding directly from schools.
"For basketball, have the Power 5 [and] Big East conference commissioners get together and create a salary cap between [$1.5 and $2 million]," Pitino tweeted. "All contracts delivered to the league and school offices."Do away with letters of intent, make athletes sign a [two-year] binding contract, no different than professional athletes -- which they are," Pitino tweeted. "With that, the [NIL] collective puts together their NIL contract based on the cap. Obviously, a lot has to go into this. I believe the NCAA should be taken out of the equation and the commissioners put into it as the NCAA loses more cases than the defense lawyers on 'Law & Order.'"
Discussed at length here:
https://www.voy.com/152805/215956.html
Quote from: djk26College sports as we know it may be over.
NLRB rules that Dartmouth basketball players can unionize (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/business/dartmouth-basketball-nlrb-union.html)
Yes, well (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA2NDf9LdDE)...
if the players want to unionize and lose rights you can make it work..
But he is talking BBALL 2 million.
The difference between the worst team in pro sports is far less the 300 in college basketball.
Will the kids at Purdue that get 2 million be happy that the kids at Sw Shaneee state get 2 million? Could those low level teams even afford it?
Honestly I doubt that this will have a major affect on college sports but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
Colleges used the term "student athletes," esp. those generating massive wealth for schools, so that the colleges could avoid calling them employees. The colleges' rationale was that the "student athlete" received a more or less free education in scholarship in exchange for their play for the school. This was a fiction that benefitted schools with large athletic programs, not the athletes. I don't have an answer, but labor deserves fair compensation.
Or maybe I do have an answer. Call them "student employees," which is what they are, and pay them a max 20 hours a week, which is where student employees are often capped. The would be subject to all the benefits and requirements of other school employees.
Quote from: mike1960Colleges used the term "student athletes," esp. those generating massive wealth for schools, so that the colleges could avoid calling them employees. The colleges' rationale was that the "student athlete" received a more or less free education in scholarship in exchange for their play for the school. This was a fiction that benefitted schools with large athletic programs, not the athletes. I don't have an answer, but labor deserves fair compensation.
Or maybe I do have an answer. Call them "student employees," which is what they are, and pay them a max 20 hours a week, which is where student employees are often capped. The would be subject to all the benefits and requirements of other school employees.
when they become an employee they also will find out a lot of things they take for granted go away.
Quotewhen they become an employee they also will find out a lot of things they take for granted go away.
-- George Fitzhugh
QuoteCrime and pauperism have increased. Riots, trades unions, strikes for higher wages, discontent breaking out into revolution, are things of daily occurrence, and show that the poor see and feel quite as clearly as the philosophers, that their condition is far worse under the new than under the old order of things. Radicalism and Chartism in England owe their birth to the free and equal institutions of her commercial and manufacturing districts, and are little heard of in the quiet farming districts, where remnants of feudalism still exist in the relation of landlord and tenant, and in the laws of entail and primogeniture
cornell + 5.5 vs yale tomorrow for first place
Last I saw is +7.5. I don't get it. Seems like a lot. I expected +4.5 or +5.
I also don't understand why ESPNU has Duquesne vs. St. Bonaventure at 2 PM. This would seem to be a much better game to show. Bigger audience, actual relevance.
I don't understand a lot. Still wondering if I really graduated.
"This marks just the fifth time in Ivy League men's basketball history that two 6-0 or better teams will square off. The most recent occurrence was on Feb. 15, 2003 when Penn (6-0) and Brown (7-0) clashed at The Palestra. Penn won that contest 73-66."
https://ivyleague.com/news/2024/2/7/mens-basketball-mbb-preview.aspx
The fear, of course, is that we won't shoot this well the rest of the game. We have shown, however, that our defense is good enough to keep a game from getting away from us and give us a chance to withstand a cold spurt. Hopefully we won't have to worry about that at all today. This is a great first 12 minutes.
Getting sloppy with the big lead. Now up 9 with Yale ball. Make it 7. Back to 9 with Red timeout to take last shot of half. Missed last shot, then fouled Yale with 1 second. Up 8 at half.
Good half but we gotta play cleaner defense and do better on wolf. Yale complaining about every call and no call is driving me nuts already, especially when these announcers back them up.
Quote from: chimpfoodGood half but we gotta play cleaner defense and do better on wolf. Yale complaining about every call and no call is driving me nuts already, especially when these announcers back them up.
I couldn't agree with this more, in all respects. I can't listen to this female broadcaster complain about Wolf's "touch fouls" as they call a clown foul on Gray with 1 second left. I thought the officiating in that first half was good, generally. We need to stop with the dumb fouls again.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: chimpfoodGood half but we gotta play cleaner defense and do better on wolf. Yale complaining about every call and no call is driving me nuts already, especially when these announcers back them up.
I couldn't agree with this more, in all respects. I can't listen to this female broadcaster complain about Wolf's "touch fouls" as they call a clown foul on Gray with 1 second left. I thought the officiating in that first half was good, generally. We need to stop with the dumb fouls again.
overreacting a little imo. i think they are sharp as a pair and very complimentary of the way cornell is playing.
Unnecessary fouls.
Quote from: mike1960Unnecessary fouls.
ok now I'm getting mad at them. some unnecessary, some tickytack. yale has 0 fouls on them and the booth is complaining about no-calls?
Ill-advised Boothby 3.
Rebounds 32-14 Yale. Second chance points 15-0 as a result.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioRebounds 32-14 Yale. Second chance points 15-0 as a result.
Yep. They're getting the loose balls too.
Beautiful pass. Cornell is having lots of good success against Yale with the back door cuts.
Down by 1, 3 min to go.
We'll take that phantom moving screen with 1:52 left.
4 seconds left. Look for the off ball screen to the cutter going to the basket.
Crap.
Quote from: mike1960Crap.
had to follow the last 5 minutes on gamecast. did Williams get a good look?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Crap.
had to follow the last 5 minutes on gamecast. did Williams get a good look?
great look, nearly had the win.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Crap.
had to follow the last 5 minutes on gamecast. did Williams get a good look?
great look, nearly had the win.
crap!
What's the first tie-breaker if we win the home game vs Yale and end up tied?
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Crap.
had to follow the last 5 minutes on gamecast. did Williams get a good look?
great look, nearly had the win.
Looked off balance and contested but still almost rattled in.
That one really hurts after having a lead almost the entire game. Free throws were 26 to 11 and we were still just 1 fewer foul away from OT or a win.
Very undisciplined team. Silly fouls by upperclassman are inexcusable. The better team did not win.
Agreed lots of reach ins. Gray makes brilliant plays balanced with "head scratchers".
Quote from: Cop at LynahVery undisciplined team. Silly fouls by upperclassman are inexcusable. The better team did not win.
Right.
Quote from: Cop at LynahVery undisciplined team. Silly fouls by upperclassman are inexcusable. The better team did not win.
We definitely looked like the better team until about 5 - 10 minutes left in the game. When we worked to get open drives to the basket, we were most successful. We got away from that down the stretch. It's one we should have had, but it's a tough place to play, and Yale is a good team.
It was a great game to watch in person, although surprisingly it wasn't close to being a sell-out. I was surprised to see the Cornell cheerleaders make the road trip. Do they do that for all Ivy road games?
You knew Yale was going to tighten things up in the second half. With 4 seconds left I almost had hope that we were going to win. The shot Mannon made over Yale's 7-footer to give us the lead in the final minute was a thing of beauty. Watching him in person for the first time made me appreciate just how great a player he is.
The rebounding, especially the second-chance points, killed us. At halftime, we had been outrebounded 20-10, including 10-1 on the offensive end. That didn't bode well for the second half.
Hopefully, we can get revenge on Yale on our court and avoid being upset in the meantime. The Yale fan sitting next to me was incredulous when I told him that Cornell had shot 6-for-31 from 3-point range against Dartmouth last weekend and nearly lost the game.
Quote from: dbilmesIt was a great game to watch in person, although surprisingly it wasn't close to being a sell-out. I was surprised to see the Cornell cheerleaders make the road trip. Do they do that for all Ivy road games?
You knew Yale was going to tighten things up in the second half. With 4 seconds left I almost had hope that we were going to win. The shot Mannon made over Yale's 7-footer to give us the lead in the final minute was a thing of beauty. Watching him in person for the first time made me appreciate just how great a player he is.
The rebounding, especially the second-chance points, killed us. At halftime, we had been outrebounded 20-10, including 10-1 on the offensive end. That didn't bode well for the second half.
Hopefully, we can get revenge on Yale on our court and avoid being upset in the meantime. The Yale fan sitting next to me was incredulous when I told him that Cornell had shot 6-for-31 from 3-point range against Dartmouth last weekend and nearly lost the game.
Manon was fouled on that last shot too it looks like: https://i.postimg.cc/66hvrZKC/IMG-1373.jpg
Quote from: Chris '03Manon was fouled on that last shot too it looks like: https://i.postimg.cc/66hvrZKC/IMG-1373.jpg
Great pic!!
I don't really agree with the posters claiming the better team lost. Cornell shot lights out, especially when it built its big lead—that just isn't sustainable. I don't think Cornell is vastly worse than Yale or anything, but given Yale's size and rebounding advantage and the big shooting percentage disparity, I think Cornell was fortunate to end up with a chance to win down the stretch.
Quote from: BearLoverI don't really agree with the posters claiming the better team lost. Cornell shot lights out, especially when it built its big lead—that just isn't sustainable. I don't think Cornell is vastly worse than Yale or anything, but given Yale's size and rebounding advantage and the big shooting percentage disparity, I think Cornell was fortunate to end up with a chance to win down the stretch.
My take is these teams are close, but Yale's a tough match-up in that their strength (interior game) is Cornell's weakness. Yale had so many offensive rebounds (17!) that if they missed a shot, it was 50/50 they would get it back. That's insane.
Bottom line, Cornell, Yale and Princeton are still all on serve for the league regular season title and all three are virtual locks for the ILT. You'd think the #1 seed would be huge, since you would avoid the other two contenders in the semis, but there is a decent chance the top seed buys you a road game with Columbia since they are the designated host. Gotta win the home games this weekend as Yale has the Penn/Princeton road trip.
I watched the Cornell vs, Yale ESPN highlights as it was a great game with a big crowd. The home and home series returns to Ithaca on Friday, February 23rd. Go Big Red!!!
For your consideration yet another Bracketology (https://medium.com/@nathanjm000/bracketology-after-2-11-4f5b9c33ac5a), but this one including both the NIT and the CBI. The CBI, for those of you with lives, is a 16 team post-season tournament where all the games are played at one location in Florida over the course of a week. This has Princeton in the NIT -- as a #2 seed -- and the good guys as the #6 in the CBI.
If I'm not mistaken, a school has to actually PAY to play in the CBI. My guess is Cornell would pass and blame having to study etc
Quote from: CU2007If I'm not mistaken, a school has to actually PAY to play in the CBI. My guess is Cornell would pass and blame having to study etc
we played in the CIT in 2019
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: CU2007If I'm not mistaken, a school has to actually PAY to play in the CBI. My guess is Cornell would pass and blame having to study etc
we played in the CIT in 2019
Ahh, the late, unlamented CIT. Though, yes, I watched the sad loss to Robert Morris.
Cornell/Columbia/Yale sweep this weekend. 5 games left
Cornell would be 8-1
Cornell would lock in a playoff birth at about 99%
Brown cant catch them if that happens
Penn cant catch them if that happens
Harvard they win the H2H so only some crazy multi way tie could knock them out.
Dart cant catch them
Stands look a little empty.
Yale had a lot of success driving across the paint. We need to slow that down.
Quote from: mike1960Stands look a little empty.
Yale had a lot of success driving across the paint. We need to slow that down.
Slow start for the guys and an odd interlude with all of the starters on the bench where we didn't look that great. That said, we battled back to take the lead and have mostly held it. As I type there are 20 seconds left in the half and the Red are up 35-32 with the ball.
Harvard threw a zone at us. I'd like to see us do that every now and then to see how well it works. We get beat a lot with the man-to-man defense. Yale and now Harvard set up ball screens until they get a match-up they like, and then drive to the hoop.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Stands look a little empty.
Yale had a lot of success driving across the paint. We need to slow that down.
Slow start for the guys and an odd interlude with all of the starters on the bench where we didn't look that great. That said, we battled back to take the lead and have mostly held it. As I type there are 20 seconds left in the half and the Red are up 35-32 with the ball.
And we go to the half up 3, 37-34.
Up 3 at half. Could have been more but many turnovers and out of control possessions.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioUp 3 at half. Could have been more but many turnovers and out of control possessions.
Yeah. 10 turnovers in the first half is crazy. On the other hand, not that many fouls! According to the game tracker, Manon only has one. It was a real dumb one though.
So careless with the basketball.
EXCLAMATION POINT
Block on one end and a dunk on the other.
Cooper Noard had decided to lock down on Harvard's #2. Doing an excellent job with the man-to-man D.
Nice win.
Yale, Princeton win
Great win. We've done a good job of shutting down other teams' main weapons (aside from one half of Danny wolf).
Quote from: Al DeFlorioYale, Princeton win
As did Columbia, to stay ahead of Harvard in the Race for Fourth.
What is the tiebreaker if we beat Yale at home and finish with the same record?
Quote from: CU2007What is the tiebreaker if we beat Yale at home and finish with the same record?
https://ivyleague.com/sports/2022/2/17/MBB_0217222638.aspx
The tie-breaker is the NCAA's NET ranking a combination of computer metrics (NET, KenPom, one more at least). That is a huge advantage for Yale right now and even better for Princeton if we all hold serve. Going into last night.
1. Yale 7-0 (NET 82, KenPom 86, Torvik 77)
2. Cornell 6-1 (NET 83, KenPom 101, Torvik 101)
3. Princeton 5-2 (NET 52, KenPom 66, Torvik 79)
*Thanks nyc94, I really thought it was a combo and not just NET. That gives us a chance in a two way tie with Yale, but no chance in a three way tie involving Princeton.
Big games tonight with Yale at Princeton and Harvard at Columbia in a game that could go a long way to determine the 4seeed.
Quote from: chimpfoodGreat win. We've done a good job of shutting down other teams' main weapons (aside from one half of Danny wolf).
I've ragged on this team's D, but they have really stepped it up in league play. It was the D that won last night's game and they completely took Mack out his game, which very few teams have done.
Dartmouth built a lead that i think paddled at 11 but a 9-0 run and a hot finish has Cornell up 50-47 at the half.
Quote from: ugarteDartmouth built a lead that i think paddled at 11 but a 9-0 run and a hot finish has Cornell up 50-47 at the half.
Down 29-42 with 4 minutes left in half. Dartmouth couldn't miss a three when building their lead.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteDartmouth built a lead that i think paddled at 11 but a 9-0 run and a hot finish has Cornell up 50-47 at the half.
Down 29-42 with 4 minutes left in half. Dartmouth couldn't miss a three when building their lead.
Second half was comfortable the whole way and Cornell won by 9.
Princeton over Yale by 8 at the hslf.
Princeton beats Yale 73-62.
Cornell's ILT Scenarios
Win out -- #1 seed, obviously
4-1 with loss v. Yale -- #2 seed, unless Yale drops two of their last four (not likely). That also means trying to beat Princeton for a third time this season in the 2/3 game.
4-1 with loss at Princeton -- Likely the 2/3 game, unless Yale and Princeton both lose. That's because the tie-breaker would be computer rankings, which do not favor us.
4-1 with loss to someone else -- #1 seed. In that scenario Princeton would have at least three losses and we'd win the tie-breaker over Yale because of the sweep of the Tigers.
2 losses -- 2/3 game barring something really unlikely.
3 losses -- Still the 3 seed.
4 losses (?!?) -- Still the 3 seed, unless Columbia wins out, in which case #4.
Cornell probably makes the tournament if they lose out, but I don't want to think about that possibility.
Great article on Cornell, Yale, and Princeton
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2024/2/19/24077144/column-yale-princeton-and-cornell-are-the-ivy-leagues-best-top-3-in-years
Quote from: Ken711Princeton beats Yale 73-62.
Princeton held Danny Wolf scoreless with one offensive rebound. Be good if we learn how.
seems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Quote from: Mr. Nissseems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Looks like it's free on the regular ESPN feed.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/startDate/20240223
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Mr. Nissseems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Looks like it's free on the regular ESPN feed.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/startDate/20240223
I see the normal espn+.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Mr. Nissseems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Looks like it's free on the regular ESPN feed.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/startDate/20240223
I see the normal espn+.
I just checked: It's on ESPN and ESPN+
The lacrosse game, on the other hand. . .
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Mr. Nissseems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Looks like it's free on the regular ESPN feed.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/startDate/20240223
I see the normal espn+.
I just checked: It's on ESPN and ESPN+
The lacrosse game, on the other hand. . .
Not sure about lacrosse game, but IIRC if one goes to the Lacrosse Team's webpage, chooses Schedule, and looks up the Denver game, there's a link to video there. Not sure what kind of video or if it's for pay. YMMV.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Mr. Nissseems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Looks like it's free on the regular ESPN feed.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/startDate/20240223
I see the normal espn+.
I just checked: It's on ESPN and ESPN+
The lacrosse game, on the other hand. . .
Not sure about lacrosse game, but IIRC if one goes to the Lacrosse Team's webpage, chooses Schedule, and looks up the Denver game, there's a link to video there. Not sure what kind of video or if it's for pay. YMMV.
It's 8 or 9 bucks to watch the lacrosse game on the Colorado network. I will probably do it.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Mr. Nissseems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Looks like it's free on the regular ESPN feed.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/startDate/20240223
I see the normal espn+.
I just checked: It's on ESPN and ESPN+
The lacrosse game, on the other hand. . .
Not sure about lacrosse game, but IIRC if one goes to the Lacrosse Team's webpage, chooses Schedule, and looks up the Denver game, there's a link to video there. Not sure what kind of video or if it's for pay. YMMV.
It's 8 or 9 bucks to watch the lacrosse game on the Colorado network. I will probably do it.
Hope it's easy to cancel.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Mr. Nissseems nuts to me that on Friday at 7 the U will have Toledo vs Bowling Green and not Cornell-Yale, but who am I other than a Big Red homer (but not from Homer).
Looks like it's free on the regular ESPN feed.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/startDate/20240223
I see the normal espn+.
by law it has to be now.. whether that is true who knows.
I just checked: It's on ESPN and ESPN+
The lacrosse game, on the other hand. . .
Not sure about lacrosse game, but IIRC if one goes to the Lacrosse Team's webpage, chooses Schedule, and looks up the Denver game, there's a link to video there. Not sure what kind of video or if it's for pay. YMMV.
It's 8 or 9 bucks to watch the lacrosse game on the Colorado network. I will probably do it.
Hope it's easy to cancel.
Just read/skimmed a very loong ESPN article about college coaches coming and going. Earl and Cornell not mentioned. Mitch Henderson and James Jones both noted as possibly moving on. Slightly insulted, but pleased if true.
Quote from: arugulaJust read/skimmed a very loong ESPN article about college coaches coming and going. Earl and Cornell not mentioned. Mitch Henderson and James Jones both noted as possibly moving on. Slightly insulted, but pleased if true.
Those two guys just have a longer track record of success. This is Earl's first really successful team.
Quote from: arugulaJust read/skimmed a very loong ESPN article about college coaches coming and going. Earl and Cornell not mentioned. Mitch Henderson and James Jones both noted as possibly moving on. Slightly insulted, but pleased if true.
Jones is 60, and has been the coach at Yale since 1999. Given his consistent success, it's safe to assume he's had opportunities to move on. He trails only Pete Carril in Ivy League coaching victories and other significant categories. I'm guessing at this point he's content to finish his career out at Yale, which I'm sure is paying him a competitive salary. But if some big-time program once again dangles a huge contract to tempt him, who knows?
huge leap in recruiting from the IVY to the bigger conferences. You can succeed and have a nice career in the IVY as well.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: arugulaJust read/skimmed a very loong ESPN article about college coaches coming and going. Earl and Cornell not mentioned. Mitch Henderson and James Jones both noted as possibly moving on. Slightly insulted, but pleased if true.
Jones is 60, and has been the coach at Yale since 1999. Given his consistent success, it's safe to assume he's had opportunities to move on. He trails only Pete Carril in Ivy League coaching victories and other significant categories. I'm guessing at this point he's content to finish his career out at Yale, which I'm sure is paying him a competitive salary. But if some big-time program once again dangles a huge contract to tempt him, who knows?
If Quinnipiac decides they want to pour money into hoops he probably doesn't even have to move.
cornell -2 vs yale tomorrow.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: dbilmesQuote from: arugulaJust read/skimmed a very loong ESPN article about college coaches coming and going. Earl and Cornell not mentioned. Mitch Henderson and James Jones both noted as possibly moving on. Slightly insulted, but pleased if true.
Jones is 60, and has been the coach at Yale since 1999. Given his consistent success, it's safe to assume he's had opportunities to move on. He trails only Pete Carril in Ivy League coaching victories and other significant categories. I'm guessing at this point he's content to finish his career out at Yale, which I'm sure is paying him a competitive salary. But if some big-time program once again dangles a huge contract to tempt him, who knows?
If Quinnipiac decides they want to pour money into hoops he probably doesn't even have to move.
Quinnipiac just gave their men's basketball coach a contract extension, so that's unlikely in the near future.
Big revenge game for the team to show their character, let's stay undefeated at home and take the Ivy lead again.
So far, so good.
Red up 10 at half.
shot badly and still up 10? I'll take it. Good rebounding job, defense I thought gave up too many easy hoops yet still was good overall. LGR.
Just letting them hang around. And now we'll keep getting called for fouls too ...
Am I crazy or has the officiating been really, really favoring Yale
The ball is just not going in the hole.
What a disaster of a second half.
Make some shots. Play good defense.
Quote from: Mr. NissWhat a disaster of a second half.
15 points in 16 minutes.
Coach cleared in out under the basket and looked for a drive. Interesting.
Good call. You can't push off like that.
Strong finish here and all is forgiven!
What was Nazir doing?
I was hoping Coach would call time there.
Quote from: mike1960What was Nazir doing?
I'm AOK using clock but hot damn we have to be able to get a shot.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: mike1960What was Nazir doing?
I'm AOK using clock but hot damn we have to be able to get a shot.
We didn't even come close to using all the clock there either.
Do you foul here inside the three point arc, 3 up and 12 seconds left?
Crap.
Bafflingly stupid. Inexplicable.
Good defense. Make them shoot a low percentage shot.
OMFG. AK has the ball. That's not a jump ball. These officials should tarred and feathered on their way out of the gym.
What a break!
I love Brian Earl and I love this team, but there was some really dumb stuff in this game that hopefully can get cleaned up. What the hell are you touching the guy for there?
But still a great win. Great heart. Down 3 and it seemed like the game was getting away from them, as they couldn't get a point. And still battle back, with the defense never letting up. LGR.
HUGE W
Great win! They got behind and showed some real character to come back and win.
Quote from: Mr. NissBafflingly stupid. Inexplicable.
i yelled at the tv when mannon fouled that guy
great finish though. let's go red!
Glad they won, but damn this a a vey undisciplined team. Manon is such a head case, great athlete but not smart at all (basketball wise)
What will the line be @Princeton? I assume we are underdogs. Princeton -6? In all likelihood a 3 way tie for first when it's all said and done?
Great job of limiting wolf, though we slowed down to Yale's pace, especially in the second half. That's a great win, but I'm so pissed about hockey that it's hard to be positive right now.
Given the way we blew away Princeton at Newman, not ready to write that game off yet. I also feel because it's so late in the season, it'll be easy to get up for it knowing the stakes. Even going back a few weeks to the @Yale game, there was still a lot of season left to play, so it didn't have the same urgency the Princeton game will hopefully have :::knocks on wood:::
right now i'm more concerned with cleaning up the game in time for tomorrow against brown, who we squeaked past in providence. brown had a big comeback tonight over columbia. no trap games. lock it down.
Earl starts an all-senior lineup including Darius Ervin, Evan Williams and Max Watson. Brown starts on a 7-0 run. I was about to type "nice, but come on this came is important" but Cornell responded with an 8-0 run of their own. As I type, Brown is up 12-8 but they've all been subbed out. Watson has a three. Erving and Williams are 0 for 3 shooting. I'm curious whether they will get put back in later to get some points on Senior Night.
Gray, Boothby, Manon and Hansen were in the first set of subs and goddamn this is a more senior-heavy lineup than I realized. Brown went on a run against this group but Cornell has rallied back again and it's 24-23 Brown with 7:13 left in the first half. Dartmouth up 7 on Princeton and Columbia up 2 on Yale. Funny set of scores.
Takes until until around 3:05 for Cornell to take their first lead since 8-7, going up 34-33. Brown then Cornell then Brown hit 3s and it's 39-37 Bears.
43-41 Brown at the half. They look better against us than against anyone else but I'm not that worried. Okereke and Manon each have two fouls but... that's not bad for us.
Quote from: ugarteEarl starts an all-senior lineup including Darius Ervin, Evan Williams and Max Watson. Brown starts on a 7-0 run. I was about to type "nice, but come on this came is important" but Cornell responded with an 8-0 run of their own. As I type, Brown is up 12-8 but they've all been subbed out. Watson has a three. Erving and Williams are 0 for 3 shooting. I'm curious whether they will get put back in later to get some points on Senior Night.
This decision coming back to bite cornell ih the a
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: ugarteEarl starts an all-senior lineup including Darius Ervin, Evan Williams and Max Watson. Brown starts on a 7-0 run. I was about to type "nice, but come on this came is important" but Cornell responded with an 8-0 run of their own. As I type, Brown is up 12-8 but they've all been subbed out. Watson has a three. Erving and Williams are 0 for 3 shooting. I'm curious whether they will get put back in later to get some points on Senior Night.
This decision coming back to bite cornell ih the a
Demeaning opponent?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: blackwidowQuote from: ugarteEarl starts an all-senior lineup including Darius Ervin, Evan Williams and Max Watson. Brown starts on a 7-0 run. I was about to type "nice, but come on this came is important" but Cornell responded with an 8-0 run of their own. As I type, Brown is up 12-8 but they've all been subbed out. Watson has a three. Erving and Williams are 0 for 3 shooting. I'm curious whether they will get put back in later to get some points on Senior Night.
This decision coming back to bite cornell ih the a
Demeaning opponent?
I don't think you can blame the start when the score was like 9-8 when they got subbed out. Cornell is simply playing poorly in the second half. Brown is getting all the rebounds (not to mention whistles) and they are shooting the lights out while we are ice cold. Brown up 13 now, with ~11 minutes to go.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: blackwidowQuote from: ugarteEarl starts an all-senior lineup including Darius Ervin, Evan Williams and Max Watson. Brown starts on a 7-0 run. I was about to type "nice, but come on this came is important" but Cornell responded with an 8-0 run of their own. As I type, Brown is up 12-8 but they've all been subbed out. Watson has a three. Erving and Williams are 0 for 3 shooting. I'm curious whether they will get put back in later to get some points on Senior Night.
This decision coming back to bite cornell ih the a
Demeaning opponent?
I don't think you can blame the start when the score was like 9-8 when they got subbed out. Cornell is simply playing poorly in the second half. Brown is getting all the rebounds (not to mention whistles) and they are shooting the lights out while we are ice cold. Brown up 13 now, with ~11 minutes to go.
The mindset carries over. Earl would not have done that if it was yale or princeton.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: blackwidowQuote from: ugarteEarl starts an all-senior lineup including Darius Ervin, Evan Williams and Max Watson. Brown starts on a 7-0 run. I was about to type "nice, but come on this came is important" but Cornell responded with an 8-0 run of their own. As I type, Brown is up 12-8 but they've all been subbed out. Watson has a three. Erving and Williams are 0 for 3 shooting. I'm curious whether they will get put back in later to get some points on Senior Night.
This decision coming back to bite cornell ih the a
Demeaning opponent?
I don't think you can blame the start when the score was like 9-8 when they got subbed out. Cornell is simply playing poorly in the second half. Brown is getting all the rebounds (not to mention whistles) and they are shooting the lights out while we are ice cold. Brown up 13 now, with ~11 minutes to go.
Not the score, the message sent to Brown's team...and Cornell's. Many saw tonight as a "trap" game as it was.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: blackwidowQuote from: ugarteEarl starts an all-senior lineup including Darius Ervin, Evan Williams and Max Watson. Brown starts on a 7-0 run. I was about to type "nice, but come on this came is important" but Cornell responded with an 8-0 run of their own. As I type, Brown is up 12-8 but they've all been subbed out. Watson has a three. Erving and Williams are 0 for 3 shooting. I'm curious whether they will get put back in later to get some points on Senior Night.
This decision coming back to bite cornell ih the a
Demeaning opponent?
I don't think you can blame the start when the score was like 9-8 when they got subbed out. Cornell is simply playing poorly in the second half. Brown is getting all the rebounds (not to mention whistles) and they are shooting the lights out while we are ice cold. Brown up 13 now, with ~11 minutes to go.
Not the score, the message sent to Brown's team...and Cornell's. Many saw tonight as a "trap" game as it was.
Fair enough. Brown lead at 10 with ~4 to go. No bueno.
Nix and Tsang-Hinton subbed in for like one possession. Weird.
Brutal 78-74 loss to Brown, fall into three-way tie for first in the conference. Guess I'll check on the hockey g... dammit.
I mean does it really make a difference if they need to win the tourney to qualify for the ncaa anyways
Quote from: underskillI mean does it really make a difference if they need to win the tourney to qualify for the ncaa anyways
the difference between having to beat Yale and Princeton vs just having to beat one of them
Dismal performance, starting our bench warmer seniors bit us in the ass.
Quote from: underskillI mean does it really make a difference if they need to win the tourney to qualify for the ncaa anyways
Getting the regular season title for once would be nice. Also, i dont care if the team is terrible. It's the arrogance
I think 'arrogance' is a strong word. Those seniors were getting up for the same practices, running the same drills, etc. for four years. It's not obvious to me that the competitive advantage in this single game isn't worth the sportsmanship and camaraderie advantage that builds over the course of the year and culminates in this acknowledgement of the contributions of these players.
Quote from: semsoxI think 'arrogance' is a strong word. Those seniors were getting up for the same practices, running the same drills, etc. for four years. It's not obvious to me that the competitive advantage in this single game isn't worth the sportsmanship and camaraderie advantage that builds over the course of the year and culminates in this acknowledgement of the contributions of these players.
i agree. they were in until the first stoppage. they didn't play particularly badly and i don't think brown took it as a slight. brown just outplayed us on the glass and the perimeter. they gave us fits on the road too, so i'm not going to blame earl for giving some run to three guys for four minutes.
In the long run as long as we beat Col/Penn the Princeton game was going to decide everything anyway. Losing to Brown doesn't do much to us, and perhaps kicks them in the butt.
Quote from: upprdeckIn the long run as long as we beat Col/Penn the Princeton game was going to decide everything anyway. Losing to Brown doesn't do much to us, and perhaps kicks them in the butt.
Need to use it as a wakeup call. Going to be tough to beat Princeton on the road. So far this season, none of the top three Cornell/Princeton/Yale have beaten the other away from their home court.
Will there be a ticket allotment for sale through Cornell once the Ivy tournament teams are officially set? The tournament website currently shows all-session tickets, and individual championship game tickets, as "Sold Out".
Quote from: Jordan 04Will there be a ticket allotment for sale through Cornell once the Ivy tournament teams are officially set? The tournament website currently shows all-session tickets, and individual championship game tickets, as "Sold Out".
good question better directed to lionstickets@columbia.edu, who i wrote to when i was having trouble buying an all-session package (i kept having to start over because one of my selected tickets was liested as "available" because it was open for at least one but not all sessions).
Ivy madness will be at Cornell in 2026 now, following providence next year.
Check out the NFL writer Peter King's retirement column today. He was at the Brown-Cornell basketball game Saturday.
Alright what the hell
Quote from: chimpfoodAlright what the hell
and penn is obviously bad! frustrating but it looks like we're climbing back. 7 fouls though.
25-15, 8:13 to go in the first half.
Penn players are really moving their feet and playing good defense. They want this one. We just have to be better the second half.
The second half began with us looking like we wanted it more. We need to keep grinding on every possession.
Really playing with a fire now. They know the regular season is on the line. Up 3 with just under 10 to go.
Our aggressive man-to-man defense is getting it done!
Someone needs to stick like glue to Slaughter Slajchert for Penn. They need to know what brand of gum he's chewing.
That was an OBVIOUS flop.
what a great second half.
Some hard-nosed defense in that second half. Clutch shooting and free throws. Really nice win.
Quote from: ugartewhat a great second half.
down 12 at the half, Cornell plays an incredible second half and wins by 6 despite some insane 3-point shooting from the Quakers.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartewhat a great second half.
down 12 at the half, Cornell plays an incredible second half and wins by 6 despite some insane 3-point shooting from the Quakers.
Must be the oatmeal.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugartewhat a great second half.
down 12 at the half, Cornell plays an incredible second half and wins by 6 despite some insane 3-point shooting from the Quakers.
Must be the oatmeal.
orange wedges
Great win, good job overcoming Penn's three point shooting. This team just knows how to win.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: chimpfoodAlright what the hell
and penn is obviously bad! frustrating but it looks like we're climbing back. 7 fouls though.
25-15, 8:13 to go in the first half.
i knew we could come back and beat this Penn team. that's the best thing about this season. feeling good that they can get their shit together and beat a team they should beat, Brown notwithstanding.
Does anyone know if we get the one seed if we win out? I though yale had the tiebreaker over us (NET rating), but the Ivy League standings currently have Princeton, then Cornell, then Yale.
This sounds like it would've been a fun game to attend. I fully planned on going until something came up
Quote from: chimpfoodDoes anyone know if we get the one seed if we win out? I though yale had the tiebreaker over us (NET rating), but the Ivy League standings currently have Princeton, then Cornell, then Yale.
Tall task to beat Princeton at Princeton tomorrow.
Quote from: chimpfoodDoes anyone know if we get the one seed if we win out? I though yale had the tiebreaker over us (NET rating), but the Ivy League standings currently have Princeton, then Cornell, then Yale.
i thought it would be 3-way h2h but if that was the case we'd be in first at 2-1 and Princeton in third at 1-2. espn has us first and Princeton second so i guess it's in alphabetical order.
right now the teams are tied and the h2h is
Cornell 2-1
Yale 2-2
Princ 1-2
Quote from: upprdeckright now the teams are tied and the h2h is
Cornell 2-1
Yale 2-2
Princ 1-2
All won at home.
Quote from: chimpfoodDoes anyone know if we get the one seed if we win out? I though yale had the tiebreaker over us (NET rating), but the Ivy League standings currently have Princeton, then Cornell, then Yale.
This should be the case. First tie-breaker is H2H, which would be tied with Yale 1-1. According to the Ivy website, next criteria is cumulative record against next highest seed outside the tie. Assuming that would be Princeton, our 2-0 record would beat Yale's 1-1 record.
Ran by Wallace 5-3
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckright now the teams are tied and the h2h is
Cornell 2-1
Yale 2-2
Princ 1-2
All won at home.
we were four seconds away* in new haven *sigh*
* and it shouldn't have been that close
not at home to watch yet but the good guys are up 35-33 at the half. apparently up 10 at one point but I'll take going into the half with any lead on the road against Princeton.
Quote from: ugartenot at home to watch yet but the good guys are up 35-33 at the half. apparently up 10 at one point but I'll take going into the half with any lead on the road against Princeton.
Up 17-7 early
we need to work a little harder for good shots.
Down 5 mid-2nd half
Crunch time. Up 3 with about 3 minutes left
71-71 1:28 left
74-71 Princeton 1:07. Oh well they gave them a good run. See them again at the ILT.
Defense let us down in 2nd half. Struggled to get stops.
79-77 bad guys. Looks like a rematch in the first round of the Ivy tournament is on tap
edit: Whoops, thought Yale was the higher team in NET rating. Looks like we'd get the Elis if everything holds next week
Toward the end, we looked stagnant and unimaginative. In the crunch, we went to a two-man game a few times and there really wasn't a lot there.
Yale, Princeton and Cornell lost to each other on the road, but won their home games.
Quote from: mike1960Toward the end, we looked stagnant and unimaginative. In the crunch, we went to a two-man game a few times and there really wasn't a lot there.
don't really have any complaints tbh. it didn't happen but they were there. they were hitting shots and getting rebounds. the tigers just got a couple more. i like our chances in nyc.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Toward the end, we looked stagnant and unimaginative. In the crunch, we went to a two-man game a few times and there really wasn't a lot there.
don't really have any complaints tbh. it didn't happen but they were there. they were hitting shots and getting rebounds. the tigers just got a couple more. i like our chances in nyc.
You are right. A bounce here and a shot there.
But we made a run by driving the basket and getting fouls. Maybe a little more of that. And our usual back cut game was pretty much non-existent.
Welp, we showed that we can play with them, tourney is all that matters anyway. I believe we get Yale first round assuming they and Princeton win next week.
Looks like a 3rd Yale matchup in the ILT for the Big Red.
Stanford fired its hoops coach and ESPN lists Princeton's Mitch Henderson as one of the top candidates for the job. If he were to leave Princeton, I'd be worried that Earl would be Princeton's top candidate, and it would seem likely he'd want to go back to his alma mater, which of course has a much stronger basketball tradition than Cornell.
I would be worried that Earl would be Princeton's top candidate. I wouldn't say it's likely that he wants to return. It's certainly a reasonable thing to think but he built this program. He lives in Ithaca with his family and he's in a very secure position. Coaches who lose get to stick arond forever; he's probably bought himself a lifetime sinecure already, as long as he doesn't say the n-word or fuck a student. Plus, other than alma mater, I doubt Princeton would pay materially more and it's probably a much more expensive place to live. If DePaul comes calling, on the other hand...
make 2-300K in Ithaca is like making a million in the bigger places.. One reason JB never left Syracuse for more money.
Quote from: ugarteI would be worried that Earl would be Princeton's top candidate. I wouldn't say it's likely that he wants to return. It's certainly a reasonable thing to think but he built this program. He lives in Ithaca with his family and he's in a very secure position. Coaches who lose get to stick arond forever; he's probably bought himself a lifetime sinecure already, as long as he doesn't say the n-word or fuck a student. Plus, other than alma mater, I doubt Princeton would pay materially more and it's probably a much more expensive place to live. If DePaul comes calling, on the other hand...
All fair points. So much would depend on how much his wife does or does not wish to remain in Ithaca. It's been long reported that Donahue's wife wanted to go to a bigger city, so the move to BC was a no-brainer. I'm not sure DePaul would be a job worth leaving for, except for the far bigger salary and ability to recruit anybody. That place seems to be a coaching graveyard, although being in Chicago it should be a sleeping giant. But I'd be much more concerned if the Princeton job opens up.
Earl still seems to be very fond of Princeton, I would fully expect him to take the job if it is offered to him.
Paid for my all-session pass by selling the Princeton-Brown tix. Now to get full value out of the rest of the package. LGR.
Brown 44 Princeton 31 at the half.
Brown 90 Princeton 81 Final
Never seen a team handle a press as poorly as Brown.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNever seen a team handle a press as poorly as Brown.
And still win by 9 over the favored team
Brown has 13 wins yet has wins over Cornell.Yale.Princeton.
Dangerous team at times, and playing well down the stretch.
Brown tried its best to blow it.
Brown tried its best to blow it.
Quote from: nyc94Brown 44 Princeton 31 at the half.
Brown 90 Princeton 81 Final
Can the Tigers get an At Large?
Shooting 25%; 13% threes
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: nyc94Brown 44 Princeton 31 at the half.
Brown 90 Princeton 81 Final
Can the Tigers get an At Large?
no
Quote from: Al DeFlorioShooting 25%; 13% threes
i don't like the score at the half (25-37) but other than that i think we can come back. shots need to fall but we're forcing them to use all 30 seconds and getting unlucky.
Down 14, 13 minutes to go.
5 minutes, down 6.
No more Cornell timeouts.
I gotta say, our basketball crowd is hot as a baker.
Fighting for rebounds against that Phantom freak Wolf is disheartening.
Yale wins, 69-57.
Disappointing in that Yale controlled the tempo and made us play their game. We couldn't get shots and never got into a rhythm. I had a feeling of doom when Mahoney hit the desperation 3 from 30 feet at the end of the shot clock to make it 9-2. We never really recovered after that.
Quote from: scoop85Disappointing in that Yale controlled the tempo and made us play their game. We couldn't get shots and never got into a rhythm. I had a feeling of doom when Mahoney hit the desperation 3 from 30 feet at the end of the shot clock to make it 9-2. We never really recovered after that.
they scored ~10 with the buzzer sounding during flight. we couldn't get out shots to fall from 2 or 3 and were uncharacteristically timid with an open lane. didn't help that the refs weren't calling contact on our drives. closing to six was a thrill but the wheels came off again. a shame because we're losing a lot to graduation.
beccles and feigen were getting real minutes at the end and noard had a really good year too. i guess i have to have faith in earl now.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Disappointing in that Yale controlled the tempo and made us play their game. We couldn't get shots and never got into a rhythm. I had a feeling of doom when Mahoney hit the desperation 3 from 30 feet at the end of the shot clock to make it 9-2. We never really recovered after that.
they scored ~10 with the buzzer sounding during flight. we couldn't get out shots to fall from 2 or 3 and were uncharacteristically timid with an open lane. didn't help that the refs weren't calling contact on our drives. closing to six was a thrill but the wheels came off again. a shame because we're losing a lot to graduation.
beccles and feigen were getting real minutes at the end and noard had a really good year too. i guess i have to have faith in earl now.
Agreed, the officiating allowed Yale to hack us with impunity. That surely didn't help our cause.
While we lose some valuable players for sure, we have a nice core coming back, especially in the backcourt. Okereke was a revelation this year, and we'll need him to take another step, as our front court will be a work in progress. Looks like we have a couple of nice guards coming in, but at this point we don't have any commits up front. But like you I have faith in Earl, as he seems to find guys out of nowhere.
Maybe this loss is a blessing in disguise. Pton hopefully will pass up on him should they need a new coach
Couldn't make a shot and got railed by the refs with fucking brown waiting in the final. This was our chance and it's gone, so disappointing.
Perhaps I didn't have a good angle, but from 5 rows behind the scorers table I didn't think anybody got screwed by refs. There was the one Mannon drive late. Otherwise it seemed pretty even. I remember a few plays in the opening minutes where we made contact and Yale was complaining about non-calls.
Can't shoot below 30% for much of the day and expect to win. That stretch of 4, 5, 6 stops in a row and not closing a 19-14 gap was brutal.
Quote from: Jordan 04Perhaps I didn't have a good angle, but from 5 rows behind the scorers table I didn't think anybody got screwed by refs. There was the one Mannon drive late. Otherwise it seemed pretty even. I remember a few plays in the opening minutes where we made contact and Yale was complaining about non-calls.
Can't shoot below 30% for much of the day and expect to win. That stretch of 4, 5, 6 stops in a row and not closing a 19-14 gap was brutal.
for sure the refs weren't the main reason. it exacerbated a bad shooting day.
very nice
Cornell never seemed to get their mojo back after that loss to Brown in Ithaca.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell never seemed to get their mojo back after that loss to Brown in Ithaca.
They were terrific last week against Columbia. Another game like that today and we'd be playing tomorrow. But credit to Yale, who never allowed us to get anything going.
Literally can't imagine seeing Brown in the field of 64 (68 now with the stupid play in).
NIT?
Quote from: arugulaNIT?
nah, but the CIT is back and that's a maybe.
I count 15 conference champs with lower KenPom ratings than ours. 16 if Brown beats Yale.
NIT sucks now. NCAA$ changed the rules of the NIT in October: The top 2 teams out of 6 power Conferences left out of the NCAA tourney get auto bids to the NIT, they each serve as the host team, and they get in even if they have a losing record. Seems there is never enough money for the likes of SEC Commish Greg Sankey (SUNY Cortland alum) and his ilk in the power leagues.
Greed destroys everything it touches.
At least Princeton losing to Brown may take Mitch Henderson out of the Stanford vacancy I hope and the risk of Earl filling his place.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaNIT?
nah, but the CIT is back and that's a maybe.
This site has Cornell as literally the last team in the NIT (https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/). I think they will be too busy squeezing in power conference teams that don't want to be there.
Cornell will certainly get invited to the CIT or CBI unless they make it clear they won't pay to play.
last minute choke by brown, missing a ton of free throws then leaving a man unguarded under the basket for a bunny as the clock expired to lose by 1. incredible 3-point shooting from yale in the clutch.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaNIT?
nah, but the CIT is back and that's a maybe.
This site has Cornell as literally the last team in the NIT (https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/). I think they will be too busy squeezing in power conference teams that don't want to be there.
Cornell will certainly get invited to the CIT or CBI unless they make it clear they won't pay to play.
yale w over brown may help us here but i still think it's unlikely
NIT vs Ohio State. That's kinda cool.
So many big schools preemptively turned down the nit. Odd. Feel bad for the kids.
An unexpected bonus to the season. Great for the program.
We'll take NIT for sure, let's get a couple wins.
Game is on for Tuesday at 7 p.m. ET. Will be on ESPN2, so great exposure for the program. Hopefully we can put on a good performance.
Quote from: CU2007NIT vs Ohio State. That's kinda cool.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-03-17/2024-nit-field-and-pairings-announced
Quote from: NCAAFor the third-straight season, the NIT seeded only the top half of the 32-team field. The bottom 16 unseeded teams were placed into the bracket by the NIT Committee as close to their area of natural interest as possible.
Columbus, Ohio, is close our area of natural interest? I think I see four top half schools closer to Ithaca.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: CU2007NIT vs Ohio State. That's kinda cool.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-03-17/2024-nit-field-and-pairings-announced
Quote from: NCAAFor the third-straight season, the NIT seeded only the top half of the 32-team field. The bottom 16 unseeded teams were placed into the bracket by the NIT Committee as close to their area of natural interest as possible.
Columbus, Ohio, is close our area of natural interest? I think I see four top half schools closer to Ithaca.
yeah but look at their opponents. it's not like they had a lot of option for us. it's killing me that, once again, we lost to Syracuse in a season where we could have won. They didn't even get invited.
I'm really happy about this bid. A road win to extend the season would be sweet.
Quote from: ugarteit's killing me that, once again, we lost to Syracuse in a season where we could have won.
It's like a Power Ball jackpot. When it finally happens, wooboy.
For folks who don't follow college hoops, Ohio State was floundering in conference play. In Mid-February they fired their coach after a 2-9 stretch and have gone 6-2 since then. So, the bucknuts probably aren't pouting about not making the NCAA Tournament -- since they played their way out of that conversation by Valentine's Day. And they look more like a team that is starting to enjoy playing as a team, rather that a squad that is just going through the motions waiting for the season to end.
This will be very challenging game, but I'm looking forward to these guys getting one more chance to take down a big name.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingQuote from: CU2007NIT vs Ohio State. That's kinda cool.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-03-17/2024-nit-field-and-pairings-announced
Quote from: NCAAFor the third-straight season, the NIT seeded only the top half of the 32-team field. The bottom 16 unseeded teams were placed into the bracket by the NIT Committee as close to their area of natural interest as possible.
Columbus, Ohio, is close our area of natural interest? I think I see four top half schools closer to Ithaca.
yeah but look at their opponents. it's not like they had a lot of option for us. it's killing me that, once again, we lost to Syracuse in a season where we could have won. They didn't even get invited.
I'm really happy about this bid. A road win to extend the season would be sweet.
Syracuse was going to get invited but decided early on to decline. I suspect the portal today plays a part in that
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingQuote from: CU2007NIT vs Ohio State. That's kinda cool.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-03-17/2024-nit-field-and-pairings-announced
Quote from: NCAAFor the third-straight season, the NIT seeded only the top half of the 32-team field. The bottom 16 unseeded teams were placed into the bracket by the NIT Committee as close to their area of natural interest as possible.
Columbus, Ohio, is close our area of natural interest? I think I see four top half schools closer to Ithaca.
yeah but look at their opponents. it's not like they had a lot of option for us. it's killing me that, once again, we lost to Syracuse in a season where we could have won. They didn't even get invited.
I'm really happy about this bid. A road win to extend the season would be sweet.
Syracuse was going to get invited but decided early on to decline. I suspect the portal today plays a part in that
fair enough. i watched the game, though, and this was a game we could have won. so was george mason, for that matter. we have a good, fun team. i'm going to miss this squad and i'm glad i get one more game with them, even if i hate the implications of mountainred's capsule scouting report.
in other ivy hoops news, princeton is in the NIT with us, pulling a 2 seed.
in other, other ivy hoops news, princeton won the women's ILT but columbia still made the field as an at-large. ivy women's hoops as a two-bid conference. i never thought i'd see the day.
ugarte, believe it or not, you already saw the day. Penn and Princeton both made the women's tourney in 2016. Penn won the league while Princeton was an at-large. Princeton was matched up with WVU that year too. I seriously doubt we ever see it on the men's side.
Princeton need to run the IVY table to have that shot.
Cornell needed to beat Baylor and SU
Quote from: mountainredugarte, believe it or not, you already saw the day. Penn and Princeton both made the women's tourney in 2016. Penn won the league while Princeton was an at-large. Princeton was matched up with WVU that year too. I seriously doubt we ever see it on the men's side.
the year Princeton went in as an 8, they still get in if there had been an ILT. I don't know if we never see it. Need a standout team with one signature OOC win blow the ILT final. Maybe could have been Princeton if they sweep the Ivies before losing to Yale in the ILT final
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mountainredugarte, believe it or not, you already saw the day. Penn and Princeton both made the women's tourney in 2016. Penn won the league while Princeton was an at-large. Princeton was matched up with WVU that year too. I seriously doubt we ever see it on the men's side.
the year Princeton went in as an 8, they still get in if there had been an ILT. I don't know if we never see it. Need a standout team with one signature OOC win blow the ILT final. Maybe could have been Princeton if they sweep the Ivies before losing to Yale in the ILT final
That's the scenario -- a generational team that wins the league 14-0 who then gags in the ILT. But that team better be a stone cold NCAA lock, or the SEC commissioner will pout and filibuster the tournament so a 17-14 Florida team can go instead.
If you are watching tonight, a heads up that the NIT is using the wider lane that they use in the NBA/FIBA. Maybe that helps open space for our guys?
With an entertaining 23-24 in the rear view mirror (sadly), Cornell has 3 confirmed recruits for next year's class:
- Gio Panzini, a 6'5" swingman from Saint Rose High School in New Jersey. From his video (https://youtu.be/LjFnSFu4sGA?si=d83wKtJy9pUtfWoM), he plays very much like Chris Manon, as he loves to attack the basket. His high school just won its first New Jersey state title since 1977
- Anthony Nimani, a 6'4" point guard from Connecticut who just completed a PG year at the Berkshire School after becoming the all-time leading scorer at Platt High School. Nimani seems to be a combo guard along the lines of Nazir Williams
- Mateen Rafiq, a 6'0" guard from Weston Ranch HS in California. Rafiq, although on the small side, is a deadly 3-point shooter.
None of the 3 commits has high major offers, but as we just saw last night, Earl's recruits can go toe-to-toe with 4 and 5 star recruits. In Earl we trust.
We often pickup additional recruits late in the cycle, and as always we could use some more size up front. Ragland will be the main big guy next year, but Ryan Kiachian, who got some court time last night, and Chris Cain, who was injured the 2nd half of the season, could emerge to fill the void left by Hansen's graduation. And 6'9" rising sophomore Ian Imegwu showed some ability in his very limited minutes.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see imegwu jump over kiachian and Cain to get 2nd string minutes.
I liked that Beccles and Feigen started getting real minutes at the end. Feigen can flat shoot and Beccles can put the ball on the floor and finish (but can't shoot well from what I saw). I'm looking forward to seeing what Beccles can do when he's got more freedom to attack.
Also don't forget that Josh Baldwin who was the top freshman last year should be back from recovering from a blown ACL. Hopefully Earl can get a power forward too. As we have seen from the few years-the best way to beat Cornell is to attack inside. Brown University's big guys will be back next year to raise havoc too.
Quote from: rss77Also don't forget that Josh Baldwin who was the top freshman last year should be back from recovering from a blown ACL. Hopefully Earl can get a power forward too. As we have seen from the few years-the best way to beat Cornell is to attack inside. Brown University's big guys will be back next year to raise havoc too.
Brown returns their whole starting 5 I believe.
Brian Earl has resigned to take the head coaching job at William & Mary.
That hurts. Confusing move to me, they must be paying a lot more or something
Quote from: chimpfoodThat hurts. Confusing move to me, they must be paying a lot more or something
Yeah, that's not the type of job I would have thought he'd leave for. Given the Ivy's improvement over the past decade, I don't see a CAA school as a big step up. And is W&M really going to be a player in the NIL space? I don't get this.
I'm surprised as well. I guess he's cashing out while he had such a strong season. This will be the second major men's sport opening Nicki Moore will be looking to fill. I hope she gets it right.
I of course don't know if he's actually qualified, but I hope they just give it to Jon Jaques, for consistency in how they've played, for recruiting consistency, and because as an alum perhaps he'd stay longer if he has success than someone who would leave us for a program like William & Mary.
Tough news, but I guess it was expected that he wouldn't stay forever.
I hope the AD chooses someone who knows how to win, even if it's at a lower division. Choosing assistant coaches based on pedigree and coaching trees is a gamble.
Quote from: Mr. NissI of course don't know if he's actually qualified, but I hope they just give it to Jon Jaques, for consistency in how they've played, for recruiting consistency, and because as an alum perhaps he'd stay longer if he has success than someone who would leave us for a program like William & Mary.
i think they promote jaques
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Mr. NissI of course don't know if he's actually qualified, but I hope they just give it to Jon Jaques, for consistency in how they've played, for recruiting consistency, and because as an alum perhaps he'd stay longer if he has success than someone who would leave us for a program like William & Mary.
i think they promote jaques
That seems like the most likely scenario. He's now in his mid-30's and has been a part of two successful regimes at Cornell. Knows the recruiting landscape and would provide continuity. May depend upon how strongly (if at all) Earl pushes for Jon to get the job.
I agree.
Quote from: Mr. NissBrian Earl has resigned to take the head coaching job at William & Mary.
Do you think that Manon, Gray et al will become grad students at W & M?
As pointed out in one of the Virginia papers he has access to scholarships and graduate transfers.
Quote from: rss77As pointed out in one of the Virginia papers he has access to scholarships and graduate transfers.
So does every other non-Ivy school though.
Quote from: Mr. NissQuote from: rss77As pointed out in one of the Virginia papers he has access to scholarships and graduate transfers.
So does every other non-Ivy school though.
I wish Earl the best, but I don't get this move. The CAA is a step down conference-wise and W&M makes Cornell look like a basketball school.
I wonder if Kevin App's name resurfaces. He's had success at Willliams.
maybe his style its an easier path to the tourney for him?
Quote from: upprdeckmaybe his style its an easier path to the tourney for him?
Or having to face Yale and their 7 foot center for 2 more years.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckmaybe his style its an easier path to the tourney for him?
Or having to face Yale and their 7 foot center for 2 more years.
Or he'd rather live in Virginia than Ithaca?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckmaybe his style its an easier path to the tourney for him?
Or having to face Yale and their 7 foot center for 2 more years.
Or he'd rather live in Virginia than Ithaca?
That too perhaps. I lived in Williamsburg for a time. Much better weather obviously, and cheaper to live (taxes, housing, etc).
I think it's a bad sign for the program if our coach is uprooting his family after our most successful season in 14 years to go to William and Mary of all places.
Quote from: chimpfoodI think it's a bad sign for the program if our coach is uprooting his family after our most successful season in 14 years to go to William and Mary of all places.
stop seeing ghosts everywhere
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckmaybe his style its an easier path to the tourney for him?
Or having to face Yale and their 7 foot center for 2 more years.
Or he'd rather live in Virginia than Ithaca?
Yale fans are convinced Wolf is taking NIL money and bailing, but they could be seeing ghosts.
Williamsburg is an odd place. Summers are brutal because it is nearly swamp land (worse than an Ithaca winter? YMMV) and verrrry touristy. But I have a good friend who retired there, so it can't be all bad.
Over on the basketball-u board, a Princeton poster asserted that the W&M hoops budget is twice that of Cornell's (2mil+ v. 1mil+). So, Brian probably got a nice raise and access to more resources and is in charge of the clear #1 winter sport there. And has a pick of far more pancake houses (seriously, they are everywhere there.
The CAA is also a one-bid league, so I'm not sure the NCAA path is that much easier
Quote from: mountainredOver on the basketball-u board, a Princeton poster asserted that the W&M hoops budget is twice that of Cornell's (2mil+ v. 1mil+). So, Brian probably got a nice raise and access to more resources and is in charge of the clear #1 winter sport there.
Until Ned arrived, basketball was the premier winter sport. That's no longer true, and probably won't be again.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckmaybe his style its an easier path to the tourney for him?
Or having to face Yale and their 7 foot center for 2 more years.
Or he'd rather live in Virginia than Ithaca?
Yale fans are convinced Wolf is taking NIL money and bailing, but they could be seeing ghosts.
Williamsburg is an odd place. Summers are brutal because it is nearly swamp land (worse than an Ithaca winter? YMMV) and verrrry touristy. But I have a good friend who retired there, so it can't be all bad.
Over on the basketball-u board, a Princeton poster asserted that the W&M hoops budget is twice that of Cornell's (2mil+ v. 1mil+). So, Brian probably got a nice raise and access to more resources and is in charge of the clear #1 winter sport there. And has a pick of far more pancake houses (seriously, they are everywhere there.
The CAA is also a one-bid league, so I'm not sure the NCAA path is that much easier
"The answer to all your questions is money." -- Don Ohlmeyer
Quote from: George64Quote from: mountainredOver on the basketball-u board, a Princeton poster asserted that the W&M hoops budget is twice that of Cornell's (2mil+ v. 1mil+). So, Brian probably got a nice raise and access to more resources and is in charge of the clear #1 winter sport there.
Until Ned arrived, basketball was the premier winter sport. That's no longer true, and probably won't be again.
Nobody can convince me that basketball exists.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: George64Quote from: mountainredOver on the basketball-u board, a Princeton poster asserted that the W&M hoops budget is twice that of Cornell's (2mil+ v. 1mil+). So, Brian probably got a nice raise and access to more resources and is in charge of the clear #1 winter sport there.
Until Ned arrived, basketball was the premier winter sport. That's no longer true, and probably won't be again.
Nobody can convince me that basketball exists.
You missed a fun season!
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Scersk '97Nobody can convince me that basketball exists.
You missed a fun season!
I know, I know. But we don't have the resources to compete in Moneyball, whether the pigskin version or squeakball version. For the latter, it saps all the life from it for me; for the former, at least the Ivies very early on separated from the rest and did their own thing. It's not great, but it's at least something. I just can't get jazzed up about a #15 seed beating a #2 seed and seeing that as some sort of accomplishment. It's not going to work out in the end.
I used to know folks around campus who were more invested in Cornell basketball than in Cornell hockey. I remember that run in 2010. It was cool and all, but people seemed to be paying more attention to it than they did hockey, where we had a legitimate chance at a title!
I mean, different strokes for different folks, and don't yuck other people's yum, but it just mystifies me.
WD>WS
This may be more of a next year topic, but Harvard Fr. Malin Mack has entered the transfer portal. He was the ROY, so this is big loss to them. Penn Fr. Tyler Perkins is in the portal as well, as is Brown Jr. Nana Owusu-Anane
For the good guys, Chris Mannon is in the portal for a grad year and is getting a lot of attention (https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/status/1770610464717672594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1770610464717672594%7Ctwgr%5E1f8f1bb3c8d135ea1ac6b9da573881cd010f8796%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege%2Fpittsburgh%2Fbasketball%2Fpitt-panthers-contact-cornell-transfer)
Didn't mean to post the entire tweet, sorry.
It says "his coach" told them. Who's his coach?
Quote from: mountainredThis may be more of a next year topic, but Harvard Fr. Malin Mack has entered the transfer portal. He was the ROY, so this is big loss to them. Penn Fr. Tyler Perkins is in the portal as well, as is Brown Jr. Nana Owusu-Anane
For the good guys, Chris Mannon is in the portal for a grad year and is getting a lot of attention (https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/status/1770610464717672594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1770610464717672594%7Ctwgr%5E1f8f1bb3c8d135ea1ac6b9da573881cd010f8796%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege%2Fpittsburgh%2Fbasketball%2Fpitt-panthers-contact-cornell-transfer)
Didn't mean to post the entire tweet, sorry.
I'm surprised William and Mary isn't on the list. Gotta be happy for Manon. He was one of the most exciting and exuberant players that I've seen at Cornell.
Quote from: arugulaIt says "his coach" told them. Who's his coach?
Presumably as Associate Head Coach the guy handling those questions is Jacques, but I suppose they could have reached out to anyone on staff.
I also saw that Penn's Slajchert is in the portal but I don't remember his class year.
Slajchert is good. Listed as a senior. Played three years, missing 20-21.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: Mr. NissQuote from: rss77As pointed out in one of the Virginia papers he has access to scholarships and graduate transfers.
So does every other non-Ivy school though.
I wish Earl the best, but I don't get this move. The CAA is a step down conference-wise and W&M makes Cornell look like a basketball school.
I wonder if Kevin App's name resurfaces. He's had success at Willliams.
I know a guy who was head coach at an Ivy lacrosse program, and he voluntarily took a job as HC at a DIII school. I think his ambition was to be able to raise his family and live a long, happy life, rather than put up with all the stress that comes with coaching a sport at an elite level.
The Formula for success is continuity:
We have seen that in Cornell ice hockey, wrestling, and ice hockey where individuals who were assistants or familiar with the program have moved up and continued those respective programs success. Continuity has not happened in basketball save for when Mike Dement succeeded Tom Miller. That makes the case for Jon Jacques IMO.Of course Dave Archer was promoted from Austin's staff but football was not successful under Austin or Archer.
I meant lacrosse also
Apparently Danny Wolf is in the portal.
Unless the Ivy embraces some type of NIL -- of course, I'm not holding my breath -- what Ivy basketball has built up since Princeton lost to Georgetown by one point as a 16 in 1989 will be flushed down the toilet.
Boothby off to William and Mary with earl.
Chris Mannon (https://vanderbilthustler.com/2024/04/23/vanderbilt-lands-commitment-from-cornell-transfer-chris-manon/) ends up at Vanderbilt. Meanwhile, Yale's Danny Wolf is heading to Michigan. (https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/4/24/24136288/scouting-report-danny-wolf-yale-dusty-may-michigan-wolverines-college-basketball-transfer-portal)
Quote from: dbilmesChris Mannon (https://vanderbilthustler.com/2024/04/23/vanderbilt-lands-commitment-from-cornell-transfer-chris-manon/) ends up at Vanderbilt. Meanwhile, Yale's Danny Wolf is heading to Michigan. (https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/4/24/24136288/scouting-report-danny-wolf-yale-dusty-may-michigan-wolverines-college-basketball-transfer-portal)
and I believe Malik Mack the big shot freshman from Harvard went to Georgetown (if that hasn't been said already)