2024 Cornell Lacrosse Schedule
Feb 17 Lehigh 330pm
Feb 24 @Denver 12 noon [unclear whose 12 noon]
Feb 27 Hobart 500 Tuesday
Mar 2 Ohio State 12 noon
Mar 9 @Penn State 12 noon
Mar 16 @Princeton TBA [no ESPN+ logo currently on schedule]
Mar 23 Yale 12 noon
Mar 30 @Penn TBA
Apr 2 Syracuse 7pm Tuesday
Apr 6 Brown 12 noon
Apr 13 Notre Dame TBA and location not cited
Apr 20 Harvard 12 noon
Apr 27 @Dartmouth TBA
May 3,5 Ivy tourney Friday, SundaySaturday games implied. Most games are 12 noon, good for the players, the visiting team gets back to campus same day.
Note no southern opponents: no Duke, no Maryland, no Hopkins.
Placeholder for 2024 Cornell lacrosse schedule, roster changes. Be good to have individual threads (i.e. not on this thread) at least for major games.
Per the 2024 Cornell team roster (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster):
- JJ Lombardi is listed as a sixth-year. Maybe he won't have to pay the Cornell medical supplement since he'll be on Medicare by spring semester?
- 9 players are listed as fifth-years: Michael Long, Aiden Blake, Jack Parker, Gene Martin, Brian Piatelli, Angelo Petrakis, Frank Ciniglio, Spencer Wirthheim and Danny Boccafola
- CJ Kirst is listed as a senior, has played 3 not 4 seasons, freshman year was cancelled (Covid)
- No formal word from Cornell on entering freshmen (Class of 2027)
Be interesting to see who Cornell's 2024 out-of-conference opponents are. The 2023 schedule (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule/2023) had:
Colgate (scrimmage), Albany (W+2), Lehigh (+7), Hobart (+9), Ohio State (+3), Penn State (-4), Marquette (+10), Army (+1). Most games were close.
Is Syracuse off Cornell's schedule for good? Orange opted to play Princeton in 2023 as their lone Ivy opponent, won 16-13. It's crazy for a pair of top-20 schools only an hour apart not to play each other. Binghamton would be a good returning rival if/when they get better and stay better (9-5 in 2023, 5-9 in 2022, 5-4 2021, 0-13 all-time vs. Cornell). Stony Brook could be an opponent if newish head coach Anthony Gilardi (5-2, 8-6, 9-5, 6-5) improves.
2024 Ivy League home games are: Yale, Harvard, Brown. Final game of RS would be at Princeton April 27, the Ivy tournament May 3-5, then the three NCAA tournament weekends with the quarterfinals at Hofstra (May 18) and Towson (May 19), finals in Philadelphia May 25-27.
Not much activity among Ivies in transfer portal. (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/di-men-s-transfer-portal-tracker-2023/61686) Interesting to see that lacrosse players aren't as eager to transfer to Q as hockey players are!
Quote from: dbilmesNot much activity among Ivies in transfer portal. (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/di-men-s-transfer-portal-tracker-2023/61686) Interesting to see that lacrosse players aren't as eager to transfer to Q as hockey players are!
Is there a Q of lax? A team that's just heedlessly building with absolutely no regard to academics or the greater good or ethics or anything? Just win baby?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: dbilmesNot much activity among Ivies in transfer portal. (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/di-men-s-transfer-portal-tracker-2023/61686) Interesting to see that lacrosse players aren't as eager to transfer to Q as hockey players are!
Is there a Q of lax? A team that's just heedlessly building with absolutely no regard to academics or the greater good or ethics or anything? Just win baby?
Maybe Q could have been the Q of lacrosse? The school has had lax ambitions.
Rob Pannell committed to play lacrosse at Quinnipiac, then took a prep year to improve his lax skills (you don't need a Deerfield PG year to meet Q's academic standards), either improved dramatically as a lacrosse player or got further noticed, but Pannell had the wisdom to realize a team such as Cornell would be a better match. Five years, a bunch of Cornell-Ivy-NCAA records later, plus the 2013 Tewaaraton Award, it proved a good choice. Interestingly (and thread-driftingly), the year before the Tewaaraton went to Peter Baum of Colgate. We can fantasize about how the two would have done amazing things if both were at Cornell, but there's apparently a Baum family history with Colgate: mother, father, cousin.
Cornell already with its first class of '25 commit from the new recruiting season that started 9/1.
From Ty Xanders on Twitter: That was fast. Big add for the Big Red, as @CornellLacrosse lands a Top 10 middie in @ILPreps No. 24 junior Grady Taylor from Maine, @HoldernessLax (N.H.) and @4LeafLax. Taylor drew a lot of eyes this summer as a gritty and athletic 6'1, 190 lb. threat with great skills & upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP_-113i4T8
https://twitter.com/tyxanders/status/1697472533660921892?s=20
is the team scrimmaging anyone in the fall or can they even do that in the ivies?
Quote from: upprdeckis the team scrimmaging anyone in the fall or can they even do that in the ivies?
Maryland at Cornell, October 20
2024 schedule is up: 2024 men's lacrosse schedule (http://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule)
This is a fantastic schedule!
We've got Denver and Ohio State. Also, Syracuse and Notre Dame. (Can't wait to beat Syracuse.)
But Denver, Penn State, and ND not on television??
Tough, yes, but great lacrosse all spring!
Quote from: mike1960But Denver, Penn State, and ND not on television??
Denver and Penn State haven't posted their 2024 schedules yet and the ND game is listed as TBD so I suspect they will all be televised once details are worked out.
Notice Princeton is not the final game. It's March 16. What gives? I went to the Cornell-official schedule to make sure it wasn't linking to the women's schedule. Nope, Princeton is mid-season. In fact, still hockey season, and we play at Princeton in lacrosse the same weekend the hockey team likely hosts the ECAC quarterfinals. Bring back Andy!
Quote from: mike1960This is a fantastic schedule!
We've got Denver and Ohio State. Also, Syracuse and Notre Dame. (Can't wait to beat Syracuse.)
But Denver, Penn State, and ND not on television??
Tough, yes, but great lacrosse all spring!
The Denver (2/24), Hobart (2/27), tOSU (3/2) stretch is particularly brutal. A cross-country trip followed by a pair of short recoveries is going to be especially tough.
But I'm glad to see Syracuse back in the fold after last year's sacrilege.
The mid-season Princeton game looks like the work of the Ivy League bigwigs. I notice that H & Y are still playing their rivalry game as the last game of the regular season.
Quote from: mike1960This is a fantastic schedule!
We've got Denver and Ohio State. Also, Syracuse and Notre Dame. (Can't wait to beat Syracuse.)
But Denver, Penn State, and ND not on television??
Tough, yes, but great lacrosse all spring!
The Denver (2/24), Hobart (2/27), tOSU (3/2) stretch is particularly brutal. A cross-country trip followed by a pair of short recoveries is going to be especially tough.
But I'm glad to see Syracuse back in the fold after last year's sacrilege.
The mid-season Princeton game looks like the work of the Ivy League bigwigs. I notice that H & Y are still playing their rivalry game as the last game of the regular season.
I'm hoping the league is going to a rotating schedule order so we don't continue to play teams in the same sequence every year. For the last several years the Ivy sequence was Y-Pe-D-H-B-Pr. This year Pr goes to the front and D-H-B becomes B-H-D.
This is a really difficult schedule outside the league AND in - we play the iron of the league up front in Pr-Y-P and the really tough stretch is tOSU thru ND.
Quote from: TimVI'm hoping the league is going to a rotating schedule order so we don't continue to play teams in the same sequence every year. For the last several years the Ivy sequence was Y-Pe-D-H-B-Pr. This year Pr goes to the front and D-H-B becomes B-H-D.
This is a really difficult schedule outside the league AND in - we play the iron of the league up front in Pr-Y-P and the really tough stretch is tOSU thru ND.
It is tough but we'll be battle tested and ready come tournament time.
Who is the front-runner for goalie?
Word has it that Cornell "won" the Maryland scrimmage 13-10 last evening. With Michael Long taking the semester off for his 5th year eligibility, Freshman Ryan Goldstein stepped into his spot and apparently acquitted himself well. Willem Firth also is reported to have looked good primarily running out of the midfield. And Kirst did some typical Kirst things. Both Knust and Tully got time and goal and are said to have looked solid.
Overall sounds like a promising performance against a top-flight opponent.
Does anyone have any insight on the Cornell portal entries?
They are seniors or others who have exhausted their Ivy League eligibility as of the end of 2024. They are looking to go to grad school and play another year.
https://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college-lacrosse-transfer-portal-tracker/
just another example of how the Ivies mess things up for their own kids.
Only HYP can expose the emperor's new clothes of Brand Theater, and they have no reason to. It's more lucrative than winning in sports.
Quote from: Cop at Lynahhttps://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college-lacrosse-transfer-portal-tracker/
This is the list for transfers who will be playing spring 2024; the question was about the portal for 2025 spring season.
the portal for 25 isnt even a thing yet
Quote from: upprdeckthe portal for 25 isnt even a thing yet
Actually it is: Inside Lacrosse (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/22-ivy-seniors-enter-transfer-portal-for-2025-season/62313)
since the portal is private how do they find out about all these kids?
No idea but note that several Ivy coaches were quoted in the article so it can't be that private.
Gillette (Patriots) Stadium, host to the 2025 and 2026 NCAA lax finals weekend, will not host the 2026 event. FIFA World Cup games will be played there. NCAA is looking for alternatives.
Per Inside Lacrosse https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2026-men-s-women-s-ncaa-championships-moved-from-gillette-because-of-fifa-world-cup/62144
>>> The DI Men's and Women's semifinals and finals, as well as the DII and DIII men's championship games, will need to find a new home [in 2026].
Irish mlax schedule shows tilt with us in Old Westbury at 12:30 on April 14. https://fightingirish.com/sports/mlax/schedule/ Active ticketing link.
Quote from: rojoIrish mlax schedule shows tilt with us in Old Westbury at 12:30 on April 14. https://fightingirish.com/sports/mlax/schedule/ Active ticketing link.
$25. hmmmmm. mayyyyyybe. probably wait to see what the weather is like. thanks for posting!
Quote from: rojoIrish mlax schedule shows tilt with us in Old Westbury at 12:30 on April 14. https://fightingirish.com/sports/mlax/schedule/ Active ticketing link.
Let's face 'em off. Can't wait.
Quote from: rojoIrish mlax schedule shows tilt with us in Old Westbury at 12:30 on April 14. https://fightingirish.com/sports/mlax/schedule/ Active ticketing link.
Cornell vs ND is apparently the opening act for the Manhasset vs Shorham Wading River game
who wrote this headline? Old Westbury is like an hour from nyc unless you live in floral park.
Old Westbury is my old backyard. Very odd to see it hosting. Great idea for L.I. market penetration, however.
Many are geographically challenged. A fraternity brother from Five Towns on the Island met a woman at one of our mixers:
He: So, where you from?
She: White Plains
He: Upstate, huh.
I'm not sure he was joking or serious.
Quote from: billhowardMany are geographically challenged. A fraternity brother from Five Towns on the Island met a woman at one of our mixers:
He: So, where you from?
She: White Plains
He: Upstate, huh.
I'm not sure he was joking or serious.
Every place north of The Bronx is Upstate.
Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardMany are geographically challenged. A fraternity brother from Five Towns on the Island met a woman at one of our mixers:
He: So, where you from?
She: White Plains
He: Upstate, huh.
I'm not sure he was joking or serious.
Every place north of The Bronx is Upstate.
This is the correct answer.
New York in tres partes divisa est: The Island, The City, and Upstate.
Quote from: George64Every place north of The Bronx is Upstate.
Causes upstaters an identity crisis as to how one defines upstate. That or your location makes you look down on people not quite as upstate as you are. I'm from Rochester and that's definitely upstate. (People in Plattsburgh would say "Western New York." ) My wife's great-something grandmother was regarded as the first baby born in Lake Placid (this history ignored Native Americans). Our son works in Canton. So who's more upstate? Some measure in degrees latitude (Barnhardt Island, northeast of Massena, in the St. Lawrence River.) Others measure by miles removed from NYC.
No place can be upstate if there's commuter rail service to NYC.
You are upstate if your Assembly candidates campaign, "Elect me and I'll keep those downstaters from robbing us blind." Downstate candidates would say the opposite, maybe use "farmers" as a geographical location. And they'd be right: Metro NYC throws off so much wealth, some captured as taxes, that without it upstate would be in the lower half of US average income. Lately, Kodak, Xerox, Carrier, Buffalo steel mills, Mohawk Carpets, they've done bupkis relative the to pirates on Wall Street.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Every place north of The Bronx is Upstate.
This is the correct answer.
New York in tres partes divisa est: The Island, The City, and Upstate.
I hit the NY trifecta - born in The City (well, Queens), grew up on The Island (Roslyn), went to Cornell, and retired to Upstate (Rochester).
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Every place north of The Bronx is Upstate.
This is the correct answer.
New York in tres partes divisa est: The Island, The City, and Upstate.
I hit the NY trifecta - born in The City (well, Queens), grew up on The Island (Roslyn), went to Cornell, and retired to Upstate (Rochester).
Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Every place north of The Bronx is Upstate.
This is the correct answer.
New York in tres partes divisa est: The Island, The City, and Upstate.
I hit the NY trifecta - born in The City (well, Queens), grew up on The Island (Roslyn), went to Cornell, and retired to Upstate (Rochester).
I have the Ithaca version of that poster framed in my homne,
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Every place north of The Bronx is Upstate.
This is the correct answer.
New York in tres partes divisa est: The Island, The City, and Upstate.
I hit the NY trifecta - born in The City (well, Queens), grew up on The Island (Roslyn), went to Cornell, and retired to Upstate (Rochester).
I have the Ithaca version of that poster framed in my homne,
we had one growing up too
I had one in my house for 30+ years. It now lives in Chicago with my adult son, class of 2004.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2024/2/1/mens-lacrosse-usila-announces-2024-preseason-all-americans-preseason-poll.aspx
#7 in the pre-season polls, for what it's worth.
Also, let the RPI/SOS madness begin. From a Cornell schedule perspective, Lehigh loses a close one to Rutgers, Penn State loses to (a not very good?) Colgate, Denver comes back and beats JHU in hilarious fashion, Ohio State also comes back to win against the Utes, and Syracuse crushes Vermont.
Sounds like this could be a really fun season. Is there a dominant program out there that precludes any chance of a title, or are we in it?
Re: Got To Cornell-Marist scrimmage late. Cornell won 24-11. Thought Tully looked really good on his release passes from goal. Extremely accurate.
Quote from: TrotskySounds like this could be a really fun season. Is there a dominant program out there that precludes any chance of a title, or are we in it?
There's definitely a universe where we are playing on Memorial Day this year. Probably going to come down to overall health and offensive production from the midfield.
Quote from: rss77Re: Got To Cornell-Marist scrimmage late. Cornell won 24-11. Thought Tully looked really good on his release passes from goal. Extremely accurate.
I opined in the LaxForum Cornell thread that I think Tully might be the day 1 starter. Excited to see him play this year (no disrespect to Knust intended).
Quote from: TrotskySounds like this could be a really fun season. Is there a dominant program out there that precludes any chance of a title, or are we in it?
We'll see. If we can play with Notre Dame, we can play with anyone.
Lehigh will be on their 3rd game. Should be interesting and right now supposed to be snowing.
For what it's worth, Cornell is the unanimous preseason pick (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2024/2/9/mens-lacrosse-unanimous-first-pick-in-ivy-preseason-poll.aspx) to win the Ivy League, the first time in six years that a team was a unanimous preseason pick.
Not that polls mean anything, but funny that this is the first unanimous preseason pick in the past several years, especially when Yale is also looking very strong coming into the year.
On a more interesting note, some posters at LaxForum had some pretty detailed reporting from the Cornell/Albany scrimmage from this past weekend, and it sure sounds like this is going to be a fun, well-balanced team. Extremely excited for Saturday.
Did we solve the problem at the X that seemed to be so critical?
Who needs an indoor practice facility other than this recent snow storm (not even a big storm) both NYC and Ithaca have enjoyed a very mild winter. By the way, since I was a kid, Upstate has always been anywhere north of Yankee Stadium, although in reality it's probably the Tappan Zee Bridge (now the Mario Cuomo Bridge) on Route 87.
Quote from: TrotskyDid we solve the problem at the X that seemed to be so critical?
We were looking good at the position with Jack Cascadden, Angelo Petrakis, and Marc Psyllos.
I'm curious to know who's stepping up in the nets.
Quote from: Local MotionWho needs an indoor practice facility other than this recent snow storm (not even a big storm) both NYC and Ithaca have enjoyed a very mild winter. By the way, since I was a kid, Upstate has always been anywhere north of Yankee Stadium, although in reality it's probably the Tappan Zee Bridge (now the Mario Cuomo Bridge) on Route 87.
I am sure the team is enjoying practicing outdoors this week with the 5-10 wind chill.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: Local MotionWho needs an indoor practice facility other than this recent snow storm (not even a big storm) both NYC and Ithaca have enjoyed a very mild winter. By the way, since I was a kid, Upstate has always been anywhere north of Yankee Stadium, although in reality it's probably the Tappan Zee Bridge (now the Mario Cuomo Bridge) on Route 87.
I am sure the team is enjoying practicing outdoors this week with the 5-10 wind chill.
Let alone practicing in freezing rain and wind gusts over 30 mph.
Quote from: Local MotionWho needs an indoor practice facility other than this recent snow storm (not even a big storm) both NYC and Ithaca have enjoyed a very mild winter. By the way, since I was a kid, Upstate has always been anywhere north of Yankee Stadium, although in reality it's probably the Tappan Zee Bridge (now the Mario Cuomo Bridge) on Route 87.
I find it hilarious that one could even jokingly suggest that areas of the Bronx like Riverdale, Fordham, Wakefield, and Co-op City would even be considered anything resembling upstate NY, but I digress
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: Local MotionWho needs an indoor practice facility other than this recent snow storm (not even a big storm) both NYC and Ithaca have enjoyed a very mild winter. By the way, since I was a kid, Upstate has always been anywhere north of Yankee Stadium, although in reality it's probably the Tappan Zee Bridge (now the Mario Cuomo Bridge) on Route 87.
I find it hilarious that one could even jokingly suggest that areas of the Bronx like Riverdale, Fordham, Wakefield, and Co-op City would even be considered anything resembling upstate NY, but I digress
I think this is one of those things people who live in NYC proper say, but don't actually believe, to try to make themselves feel superior. Sort of like when Florida people these days, say "we're full, nobody else move here" to convince themselves everyone is dying to live in Jacksonville and they're the lucky ones.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: IcebergQuote from: Local MotionWho needs an indoor practice facility other than this recent snow storm (not even a big storm) both NYC and Ithaca have enjoyed a very mild winter. By the way, since I was a kid, Upstate has always been anywhere north of Yankee Stadium, although in reality it's probably the Tappan Zee Bridge (now the Mario Cuomo Bridge) on Route 87.
we don't say it to make ourselves feel superior we say it to make you angry. you're so cute when you're angry.
I find it hilarious that one could even jokingly suggest that areas of the Bronx like Riverdale, Fordham, Wakefield, and Co-op City would even be considered anything resembling upstate NY, but I digress
I think this is one of those things people who live in NYC proper say, but don't actually believe, to try to make themselves feel superior. Sort of like when Florida people these days, say "we're full, nobody else move here" to convince themselves everyone is dying to live in Jacksonville and they're the lucky ones.
Upstate is where the red (https://int.nyt.com/data/videotape/finished/2018/07/1532551037/mobile-with-labels-90sec-640w.jpg) starts. (I don't really understand this map, but locals will.)
Lehigh will likely cover Kirst with Richard Checo, who had 64 groundballs and 54 caused-turnovers last year as a freshman. Those are Adler-level numbers. Should be interesting to watch.
I am too lazy to go look it up, but my recollection was that Checo was a wing on the face off and that greatly helped his GB total. still an excellent match up.
Quote from: Cornell95I am too lazy to go look it up, but my recollection was that Checo was a wing on the face off and that greatly helped his GB total. still an excellent match up.
Could be. Somehow, groundballs picked up on faceoffs should be a different metric.
The defense kind of let us down last year. I hope we've redoubled our efforts to lock the other team down this year. I'm curious to see how they do!
Ithaca weather!
The women's team is currently playing Cal at Schoellkopf, and from the looks of things, the field conditions are definitely going to play a role in the game.
Quote from: George64Ithaca weather!
Good lacrosse weather! Once players get a sweat going, it will feel great. The fans, on the other hand . . .
Quote from: semsoxThe women's team is currently playing Cal at Schoellkopf, and from the looks of things, the field conditions are definitely going to play a role in the game.
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The new Meinig Fieldhouse can't come soon enough.
May have been a false alarm. Apparently a snow squall moved through the area, and after clearing the field at half time during the women's game, it stayed clear.
Very excited for the game, and hopefully they turn out better than the rest of the Ivy has thus far:
Penn L to previously 0-2 Georgetown
Dartmouth L to previously 0-2 Bucknell
Brown L to now 2-0 Quinnipiac
Is the game on radio anywhere?
Quote from: jjanow99Is the game on radio anywhere?
There no radio option on the game notes. Sorry.
First goal! Nice cut and feed to Mikey Long.
Which is unfortunate because the quality of the video stream is absolutely amateur hour.
Where is Barry? This pbp guy is awful, doesn't name the players.
According to LiveStats the game hasn't started yet...
Quote from: CU77Where is Barry? This pbp guy is awful, doesn't name the players.
Yeah, I miss Barry. I checked his XTwitter feed and he's been quiet lately. I hope he's ok.
Where's the help on that Lehigh #2 goal?
The Cornell D is sliding pretty early and making things tough on Lehigh on a day where passing is tricky. Wyatt Knust has made some A+ stops so far. Cornell has been dominant at the faceoffs so far.
Quote from: mike1960The Cornell D is sliding pretty early and making things tough on Lehigh on a day where passing is tricky. Wyatt Knust has made some A+ stops so far. Cornell has been dominant at the faceoffs so far.
Good to hear.
Beat the zone with a nice cut to bring it to 9-3.
Quote from: jjanow99According to LiveStats the game hasn't started yet...
Yea, I guess it's too cold to type in the stats. ::rolleyes::
Cornell doesn't seem to be much bothered by the weather. I guess those early morning practices in the Ithaca winter are paying off.
We are "matchup agnostic," my friends, according to Tom La True.
Is Cornell sometimes running 4 attackmen?
Quote from: CU77Is Cornell sometimes running 4 attackmen?
Not unusual on man-up. Firth is running on first midfield.
Quote from: CU77Is Cornell sometimes running 4 attackmen?
Firth is technically playing midfield when he's out there. As far as I know, he'd always been an attackman in HS, but it's a clever way to get a high lacrosse IQ player out there and also solves the 'issue' of he and Kirst both being lefties.
Two turnovers, two goals.
Quote from: mike1960Two turnovers, two goals.
Can't win a FO. Can't stop Cole.
Current score?
10-8 Cornell ahead.
10-9 Cornell 8:07, 3rd.
11-9 Cornell, 5:48, 3rd. Goal in a turnover/unsettled situation.
12-9 Cornell. Cannon from Mikey Long on the left wing.
13-9 Cornell. 3:00, 3rd. Wertheim drives the alley on the right wing.
Quote from: mike1960Yeah, I miss Barry. I checked his XTwitter feed and he's been quiet lately. I hope he's ok.
Posted on fanlax:
Quote from: Joewillie78Heard from a very reliable source that Barry has some health issues he is dealing with.
Let's all wish Barry a speedy recovery.
14-9, 10:47 in the 4th. Sheehan hit a bouncer from top left.
14-10, fast break faceoff goal from Lehigh.
15-10, 9:09 left. Firth is not well guarded, and he drains it from top right.
Quote from: CU77Quote from: mike1960Yeah, I miss Barry. I checked his XTwitter feed and he's been quiet lately. I hope he's ok.
Posted on fanlax:
Quote from: Joewillie78Heard from a very reliable source that Barry has some health issues he is dealing with.
Let's all wish Barry a speedy recovery.
Indeed. All the best to him. And maybe a little French pastry.
Cascadden did a Troy Polamalu on a Lehigh ball carrier from behind but was called for only a hold.
Blake does a circular journey to score a goal from side left.
16-10 Cornell.
Lehigh goal, top right.
16-11 Cornell.
Lehigh goal, Scott Cole, Top Center
16-12 Cornell 4:36 left.
Caddigan top center.
17-12 Cornell. 3:47 left.
Lehigh goal from X to side right.
17-13 1:37 left.
17-13 Cornell, final score.
17-13. Game over.
Good win. A few turnovers, probably weather related but some forced passes too. Overall good at X. Cascadden faltered a bit, and Psyllos won a few after that. The clearing game did not look sharp. Knust forced some long passes that led to a couple of turnovers. But Cornell caused several turnovers from rides. Still great at that aspect of the game.
It is so great to see Mikey Long at X. He's such a threat to score or pass. Kirst had a good game. He was well guarded but scored and helped the team in a lot of other ways.
Good game for Knust! He stopped some tough ones, but there were a couple I'm sure he felt he should have had.
Denver is next.
Quote from: mike196017-13. Game over.
Good win. A few turnovers, probably weather related but some forced passes too. Overall good at X. Cascadden faltered a bit, and Psyllos won a few after that. The clearing game did not look sharp. Knust forced some long passes that led to a couple of turnovers. But Cornell caused several turnovers from rides. Still great at that aspect of the game.
It is so great to see Mikey Long at X. He's such a threat to score or pass. Kirst had a good game. He was well guarded but scored and helped the team in a lot of other ways.
Good game for Knust! He stopped some tough ones, but there were a couple I'm sure he felt he should have had.
Denver is next.
Thanks for posting the running scores and recap of the game.
Congrats to Big Red lacrosse winning in not exactly spring sport weather. The freshman William Firth #51 was impressive with 4 goals in his first college game. My one concern is our defense physical enough to hold up in this very tough schedule? Go Big Red!
Quote from: Ken711Thanks for posting the running scores and recap of the game.
Yep! A good Cornell sports day all the way around!
sloppy field. s;oppy play.
rusty on the clear
not stellar play from the goalie
Lehigh won too many 1-1 plays for goals
3rd period we hardly saw the ball that led to almost 15 min without a goal and still scored 17.
Quote from: upprdecksloppy field. sloppy play
Let's see how we do next week, when it's supposed to be in the mid-50s and sunny.
Every face-off from the Lehigh game.
Face-offs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbadrnSz538)
For half a century, the New York City dweller's attitude about the rest of the world drew strength from the Saul Steinberg's March 29, 1976 "View of the World from Ninth Avenue" cover of The New Yorker.
In case there is someone who hasn't seen it. I hope Steinberg retained for himself royalties outside of that issue's cover.
Quote from: semsoxThe women's team is currently playing Cal at Schoellkopf, and from the looks of things, the field conditions are definitely going to play a role in the game.
We were in Ithaca for the weekend and Saturday it ranged from dark-blustery-flurries (beyond a half foot that fell Friday) to ... occasional 15-minute stretches on sunshine.
Quote from: Local MotionCongrats to Big Red lacrosse winning in not exactly spring sport weather. The freshman William Firth #51 was impressive with 4 goals in his first college game. My one concern is our defense physical enough to hold up in this very tough schedule? Go Big Red!
Agreed. There were three or more goals where our defender just didn't get out on the shooter and gave him totally free hands. That made it super tough on Knust. At times, though, our quick-sliding defense really shut them down and also caused some turnovers.
Thinking about playing a lacrosse game in two (?) years in Meinig Field House and how many people will fit and be safe from the elements. It's still not clear what is capacity but I hope it's not less than 500: [b]
Date Opponent Attend Notes[/b]
02/17 Lehigh 296 22F gametime mostly cloudy, light snow
It looks as if 250-300 is the minimum one gets early season: parents, lax alumni, students-girlfriends. The first two home games last year drew 312 (2/25, Lehigh) and 523 (3/11, Penn State). In between those two, Ohio State drew 2378 for the 3/4 Cornell game.
Firth has upward potential. To get the 4 goals he needed 5 SOG. #freshmanjitters
Mikey Long the Ivy offensive player of the week. Well deserved.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2024/2/19/mens-lacrosse-michael-long-tabbed-offensive-player-of-the-week-in-first-week-of-action.aspx
"PRINCETON, N.J. -- In week one of men's lacrosse action for the Ivy League, Michael Long has been named the Offensive Player of the Week for his three-goal, four-assist performance this week. His seven points led all of Cornell, and marked his most points in a game since April 30, 2022 when he tallied eight against Princeton in the regular season finale."
Now that Cornell's extraordinary defender Gavin Adler '23 is gone from the Cornell team, Inside Lacrosse ponders Men's Tewaaraton Watch: Should a Defender Get Serious Consideration? (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/men-s-tewaaraton-watch-should-a-defender-get-serious-consideration-/62764)
But still, Cornell is in the hunt:
Quote from: Matt Kinnear, Inside Lacrosse... "If the season ended today..."
CJ Kirst would be the favorite
Ajax Zappitello would be (should be) at the Tewaaraton ceremony
JJ Sillstrop made the biggest jump
Here is my Tewaaraton Watch .... . I divided it into three tiers:
Tier 1 "The Favorites" — These guys have had Tewaaraton buzz for multiple years, and it would be a shocker if they weren't all finalists.
Tier 2 'The Contenders" — These are established, elite offensive players whose teams are in the Top 10.
Tier 3 "The Challengers" — Supreme offense talents whose teams are on the cusp of the Top 10, or defensive players who have a steeper hill to climb (through no fault of their own).
Tier 4 "The Field" — Really talented players, but maybe not with the name recognition or projected team success as the guys ahead of them. It's so early, though, one of these guys could make their way to DC.
The way it's sorted is to make the point that this list is a projection based on a month of games, players' history and the committee's thinking. It's not necessarily a best player ranking. There are players further down the list that I'd put much higher in a "best player" list (Ajax Zappitello, first of all).
Favorites
1. CJ Kirst, Cornell
2. Brennan O'Neill, Duke (2023 winner)
3. Connor Shellenberger, Virginia
Contenders
4. JJ Sillstrop, Denver
5. Evan Plunkett, Army
6. Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame
7. Evan Plunkett, Army
8. Joey Spallina, Syraqcuse
Challengers and The Field, see story
Cornell has had two award winners:
2009 Max Seibald, M
2013 Rob Pannell, A
The Tewaaraton dates only to 2001, so no awards to 1970s studs Mike French '76 and Eamon McEneaney '77. Two other Ivy players won: Dylan Molloy from the 2016 Brown team that made the [edit add:] final four, playing with a broken foot
title game, and Ben Reeves of Yale that won the title.
Quote from: billhowardNow that Cornell's extraordinary defender Gavin Adler '23 is gone from the Cornell team, Inside Lacrosse ponders Men's Tewaaraton Watch: Should a Defender Get Serious Consideration? (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/men-s-tewaaraton-watch-should-a-defender-get-serious-consideration-/62764)
But still, Cornell is in the hunt:
Quote from: Matt Kinnear, Inside Lacrosse... "If the season ended today..."
CJ Kirst would be the favorite
Ajax Zappitello would be (should be) at the Tewaaraton ceremony
JJ Sillstrop made the biggest jump
Here is my Tewaaraton Watch .... . I divided it into three tiers:
Tier 1 "The Favorites" — These guys have had Tewaaraton buzz for multiple years, and it would be a shocker if they weren't all finalists.
Tier 2 'The Contenders" — These are established, elite offensive players whose teams are in the Top 10.
Tier 3 "The Challengers" — Supreme offense talents whose teams are on the cusp of the Top 10, or defensive players who have a steeper hill to climb (through no fault of their own).
Tier 4 "The Field" — Really talented players, but maybe not with the name recognition or projected team success as the guys ahead of them. It's so early, though, one of these guys could make their way to DC.
The way it's sorted is to make the point that this list is a projection based on a month of games, players' history and the committee's thinking. It's not necessarily a best player ranking. There are players further down the list that I'd put much higher in a "best player" list (Ajax Zappitello, first of all).
Favorites
1. CJ Kirst, Cornell
2. Brennan O'Neill, Duke (2023 winner)
3. Connor Shellenberger, Virginia
Contenders
4. JJ Sillstrop, Denver
5. Evan Plunkett, Army
6. Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame
7. Evan Plunkett, Army
8. Joey Spallina, Syraqcuse
Challengers and The Field, see story
Cornell has had two award winners:
2009 Max Seibald, M
2013 Rob Pannell, A
The Tewaaraton dates only to 2001, so no awards to 1970s studs Mike French '76 and Eamon McEneaney '77. Two other Ivy players won: Dylan Molloy from the 2016 Brown team that made the title game, and Ben Reeves of Yale that won the title.
Brown has never made the Final. They lost in the semis in OT.
Quote from: billhowardNow that Cornell's extraordinary defender Gavin Adler '23 is gone from the Cornell team, Inside Lacrosse ponders Men's Tewaaraton Watch: Should a Defender Get Serious Consideration? (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/men-s-tewaaraton-watch-should-a-defender-get-serious-consideration-/62764)
I had a viscerally negative reaction to the question when I saw the article earlier this afternoon, however, after taking a second, it is an interesting thought experiment. While I think Adler is and was a better than any of the current D1 poles, the history of the Tewaarton presumes a deep postseason run. So maybe a better question is, what would Adler's case have looked like if Cornell made it back to Memorial Day last year?
40 windy and rain.
gonna be the norm for cornell.
As ugly a game as score says.
cant score from close in at all.
Yale beats #1 Denver 15-13.
Thats stretch where we won like 5 FOs and had 2 EMs in a row and I dont know that we even got a shot on goal.
Latest lacrosse poll:
Cornell drops from #8 to 15.
1 Army (6 - 0) 533 (22) 3
2 Notre Dame (4 - 1) 505 (4) 4
3 Virginia (5 - 1) 454 5
4 Duke (6 - 1) 451 (1) 6
5 Maryland (5 - 1) 426 7
6 Syracuse (6 - 2) 381 9
7 Johns Hopkins (5 - 2) 375 2
8 Denver (5 - 1) 366 1
9 Penn State (5 - 1) 352 11
10 Yale (3 - 1) 325 12
11 Georgetown (4 - 2) 270 10
12 Harvard (6 - 0) 207 19
13 Princeton (4 - 2) 205 15
14 Penn (4 - 2) 186 14
15 Cornell (3 - 2) 162 8
Cornell better step it up.
They have way too much schedule for the way they are playing right now.
Cornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
Quote from: blackwidowCornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
thanks
Quote from: blackwidowCornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
Jordan Stevens has coached some really good defenses, like the 2022 team that went to the title game. I'm sure they'll work hard this week on picking up the ball a little sooner and protecting the topside so they can help the goalie on Sunday.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: blackwidowCornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
thanks
Some fishermen are best at trolling.
Yours is a more reasonable description of Cornell's woes on defense: concerning not fatal.
This weekend's Ivy match between two top Ivy teams will be a fairer matchup. At Princeton Saturday at the Tigers' gorgeous Class of '52 Stadium (56 degrees, partly sunny, 4,000 seats, PU-CU lax well attended, near to but seldom a sellout, if only this were in Ithaca as a precursor to the Harvard hockey game).
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: blackwidowCornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
Jordan Stevens has coached some really good defenses, like the 2022 team that went to the title game. I'm sure they'll work hard this week on picking up the ball a little sooner and protecting the topside so they can help the goalie on Sunday.
I think the young coaching staff is being found out for who they really are. I think there will be some growing pain, this season being the main one
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: mike1960Quote from: blackwidowCornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
Jordan Stevens has coached some really good defenses, like the 2022 team that went to the title game. I'm sure they'll work hard this week on picking up the ball a little sooner and protecting the topside so they can help the goalie on Sunday.
I think the young coaching staff is being found out for who they really are. I think there will be some growing pain, this season being the main one
I think you're full of shit.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: blackwidowQuote from: mike1960Quote from: blackwidowCornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
Jordan Stevens has coached some really good defenses, like the 2022 team that went to the title game. I'm sure they'll work hard this week on picking up the ball a little sooner and protecting the topside so they can help the goalie on Sunday.
I think the young coaching staff is being found out for who they really are. I think there will be some growing pain, this season being the main one
I think you're full of shit.
I'm with Al
Losing Bozzi as a short stick d-middie has not helped matters. Hardest position in lacrosse in my view.
Quote from: rss77Losing Bozzi as a short stick d-middie has not helped matters. Hardest position in lacrosse in my view.
And maybe the most exposed.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: rss77Losing Bozzi as a short stick d-middie has not helped matters. Hardest position in lacrosse in my view.
And maybe the most exposed.
Yep. You're going to get beat a lot of the time. But you want to choose where.
Cornell-Princeton on ESPNU Sunday at 2 with Carcaterra (yuck) doing color...incessantly.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: blackwidowCornell lax primed to be the bottom of the ivy
Jordan Stevens has coached some really good defenses, like the 2022 team that went to the title game. I'm sure they'll work hard this week on picking up the ball a little sooner and protecting the topside so they can help the goalie on Sunday.
The best solution is, Fire Andy. I know, that's so 2022.
Let's hope Cornell can get back on track today against Princeton.
I went to the Yale-Harvard game yesterday and both of those teams are going be tough as well. Yale scored 10 seconds into the game and was up 13-6 at the half. Yale's No. 37 won nearly every faceoff, and Yale seemed to be scoring at will. Harvard made a comeback in the second half, twice cutting the Yale lead to two goals and having a possession to cut the lead to one, but could never narrow the gap. The game got a lot closer in the third period when Yale was called for two penalties at once, one of them a two minute non-releasable. Harvard scored three extra-man goals during that span, and also won all the faceoffs since Yale could only have two players out to take the faceoff while Harvard had three. A key play in the game came when Yale was trying to clear and the Harvard goalie was caught out of his cage. A Yale middie shot the ball nearly the length of the field into the Harvard goal. First, I was trying to figure out who he was passing it to and then I saw it heading into the cage.
Yale ended up winning 17-15 before the largest crowd I've seen in person at the Yale lacrosse stadium.
Quote from: dbilmesLet's hope Cornell can get back on track today against Princeton.
I went to the Yale-Harvard game yesterday and both of those teams are going be tough as well. Yale scored 10 seconds into the game and was up 13-6 at the half. Yale's No. 37 won nearly every faceoff, and Yale seemed to be scoring at will. Harvard made a comeback in the second half, twice cutting the Yale lead to two goals and having a possession to cut the lead to one, but could never narrow the gap. The game got a lot closer in the third period when Yale was called for two penalties at once, one of them a two minute non-releasable. Harvard scored three extra-man goals during that span, and also won all the faceoffs since Yale could only have two players out to take the faceoff while Harvard had three. A key play in the game came when Yale was trying to clear and the Harvard goalie was caught out of his cage. A Yale middie shot the ball nearly the length of the field into the Harvard goal. First, I was trying to figure out who he was passing it to and then I saw it heading into the cage.
Yale ended up winning 17-15 before the largest crowd I've seen in person at the Yale lacrosse stadium.
I hope Cornell is more innovative with their offense today. It looks like we play with a standard set and depend on our deep talent to make plays and score. This is most evident in our EMO sets. We do the same thing every time. This will work against a Lehigh, but not against a Penn State caliber defense that has scouted us and knows exactly what we do.
I try not to be a Duke fan, but I do like how Danowski gives his players freedom to create on the fly. It takes a while for this kind of offense to find its groove, so they are sometimes not as successful early in the season. But they are tough when tournament time rolls around.
Also of course we just have to defend the topside today. Any decent shooter in D1 is going to have success with free hands from 10-12 yards. I hope we are better there today.
Sad news for Andy Noel-haters. He's baaaack! (As a fan.) I shook his hand walking out of the Princeton lacrosse game and wished him well. Remember, it was Him who hired Connor Buczek. And Brian Earl. And etcetera.
The Cornell coaching staff is his doing, outside of Mike Schafer. And it was his doing to let the new AD hire the football coach, rather than stick it on Nicki Moore.
The yodeling rodent on the Lynah Scoreboard is not his doing. It is kind of amusing. Let's see how long it stays amusing.
Andy did hire Matt Kerwick, Bill Courtney, Tim Pendergast and many others who weren't very successful at Cornell. Not everyone is congratulating Andy for keeping Dave Archer (29-71) for 11 years so his successor could hire the new coach.
Quote from: billhowardThe yodeling rodent on the Lynah Scoreboard is not his doing.
Beg pardon?
Getting 5 goals from the 2 new kids was huge
Per the ESPN coverage-I know it's cheaper for them to have remote announcers but they could have invested in a on site spotter to convey the adjustments made in the respective teams' lineups. E.g. Cornell short stick d-middies- no Chris Davis or Aiden Blake doing shifts, etc.
Quote from: rss77Per the ESPN coverage-I know it's cheaper for them to have remote announcers but they could have invested in a on site spotter to convey the adjustments made in the respective teams' lineups. E.g. Cornell short stick d-middies- no Chris Davis or Aiden Blake doing shifts, etc.
The freshman Gilmartin did a good job overall, I thought. He was burned once by Mackesy who went right on him to the topside and of course scored, but Gilmartin was involved in the final goal when he faced up the Princeton ballcarrier in the middle of the field. The ballcarrier threw it left, and Gilmartin or Wallace might have tipped it, causing the bad throw, turnover, and game-winning score.
So I think all the time he spent on the field will really pay off as the season rolls along.
Quote from: rss77Per the ESPN coverage-I know it's cheaper for them to have remote announcers but they could have invested in a on site spotter to convey the adjustments made in the respective teams' lineups. E.g. Cornell short stick d-middies- no Chris Davis or Aiden Blake doing shifts, etc.
Agree, but I thought they did a good job overall. Talking about foot & hand work was good for someone like me what has never really played.
Except when the times they referred to Princeton as Syracuse.
Quote from: rss77Per the ESPN coverage-I know it's cheaper for them to have remote announcers but they could have invested in a on site spotter to convey the adjustments made in the respective teams' lineups. E.g. Cornell short stick d-middies- no Chris Davis or Aiden Blake doing shifts, etc.
Could have also suggested that all teams wearing orange are not from Syracuse.
Quote from: CASAndy did hire Matt Kerwick, Bill Courtney, Tim Pendergast and many others who weren't very successful at Cornell. Not everyone is congratulating Andy for keeping Dave Archer (29-71) for 11 years so his successor could hire the new coach.
It took him 11 years and a decision to retire to finally realize that hiring David Archer was not working? OK
Sticking to mlax only, AN
1) fired Ben DeLuca for unspecified reasons
2) hired Matt Kerwick, who drove the team into a ditch
3) made Peter Milliman spend a year as "acting" HC, then lost him to JHU
Yes, we lucked out because CB (who started as a volunteer assistant) turned out to be really excellent.
Quote from: CU77Sticking to mlax only, AN
1) fired Ben DeLuca for unspecified reasons
2) hired Matt Kerwick, who drove the team into a ditch
3) made Peter Milliman spend a year as "acting" HC, then lost him to JHU
Yes, we lucked out because CB (who started as a volunteer assistant) turned out to be really excellent.
I'm not sure we had much chance of keeping Milliman from going to Hopkins and acquiring all those grad transfers.
No, probably not, but it sure didn't help that AN wouldn't commit to him without hanging the interim tag on him for a year first. I actually wrote to AN to complain about that, the first and only time I ever did such a thing.
Any response from AN?
He had the head of the Cornell Lax Boosters call me. That was a surprise! I was mostly upset about the hit to recruiting from having a HC saddled with the interim tag. Pleaded my case to the booster guy, to no avail of course. He defended AN as having done the right thing. I couldn't tell if he really believed that or not.
Duke v Syracuse on ESPN+ and 'Cuse is leading 8-2 late in Q3.
Quote from: ugarteDuke v Syracuse on ESPN+ and 'Cuse is leading 8-2 late in Q3.
I caught a little bit at the end. That Syracuse defense plays hard, and they play together. That's going to be a tough game.
Yes Duke seems a little vulnerable because Penn shut them down too.
Is cornell going to start playing D?
I was at the game (sister has season tickets)
TBH, neither team looked great... but Duke was awful. Syracuse D has been steadily improving but many of the turnovers were unforced. Just sloppy passing, balls not coming out of the stick clean.
(I feel like I read a post on the fanlax forums that Coach Gait has his guys setting up their sticks differently and using 'grippy' balls (?) at home, so visiting teams struggle... fact or conspiracy theory ??)
Duke kept it close early because they seemed to be able to neutralize SU's very good FO specialist (portal pick up from Tufts) and the Duke goalie made some point blank saves in the first half (SU going high-to-high on the crease with no fake multiple times)... but eventually SU started rotating in a different FOGO and finding the back of the net
Will Mark in goal was very solid for Cuse as well.
I have no idea what the Duke offensive coordinator was doing. SU basically played O'Neill straight up most of the game, he is a specimen and it seems like they could have run some 2 man sets and gotten him good looks easily
Time will tell how the ACC plays out, but I always say a Duke lax team in May is like Michigan State hoops in March... no one wants to face them late in the season/tournament time
Final was Syracuse 10, Duke 4. 3/20/24
An email from Coach:
We wanted to make you aware that due to the impending weather tomorrow morning, we will be pushing our start time against Yale back to 2pm on Saturday, 3/23/24. We hope to see many of you out there braving the conditions!
Penn at Dartmouth 6-6 at half with field covered in snow.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioPenn at Dartmouth 6-6 at half with field covered in snow.
Ridiculous conditions to be playing in
Nice stand there on the man down.
Cornell 7 -Yale 5 3:02 left in 2nd.
Real barn burner in Ithaca (not that anything could literally catch fire there in today's weather)-- 7-6 Cornell leading Yale at halftime.
My biggest fear has not so far been realized--Yale is leading in faceoffs (9-6) but not dominating. I do worry that Cornell's faceoff men tend to fade a little as the game goes on-something to keep an eye on in the second half.
Cornell's frosh goaltender, Matt Tully, got the start--6 GA and 6 saves in the first half. Someone who knows lacrosse better than I do can speak to this, but a .500 save percentage, while not great, is more than respectable against a fine offense like Yale.
We're getting outgroundballed, which I hate (25-14.)
Second best thing so far today is the EMO--two for two!--after struggling mightily in tha past few games. Yale got an EMO with 6 seconds to go in the second quarter--I assume it's like hockey and will carryover to the next quarter.
Best thing so far today is the balanced offense--two goals each for Kirst, Nikolic and Goldstein. Long with two assists. This kid Goldstein is a real "find" (probably helped that his dad is one of Cornell's best players ever.)
Yale trailed 7-4 with 6:30 to go in the half and scored the next two to close within one--I trust Buczek and Stevens to make the needed adjustments.
Let's go Red!::cheer::
Red now up 12-8 midway through the 3rd.
AND Yale scores 3 goals in 41 sec, now 12-11 Red
Quote from: CU77Red now up 12-8 midway through the 3rd.
AND Yale scores 3 goals in 41 sec, now 12-11 Red
Cornell gets a tiny bit of breathing room with Wirtheim's first goal of the day, 13-11 with Cornell leading, 12:30 to go. Five Cornell players with two goals or more.
Cornell scores AGAIN on the EMO, 14-11 Cornell with 12:13 to go. Rory Graham with his first goal of the year.
16-11 after back to back goals by Ryan Goldstein.
17-12 Cornell now, 4:41 to go. Come on, Red, keep it up.
17-14 Cornell 1:26 left.
Final: 18-15 Cornell over Yale
A big win! Cornell now past the arguably two toughest Ivy rivals.
Quote from: Ken711Final: 18-15 Cornell over Yale
This is Cornell's best win of the seson. Very satifying. I thought going into the game that Yale was the best team in the Ivy League (and they still may be--at least twice in recent years Cornell has beaten Yale in the regular season, only to lose to them in the ILT.) Today was Ryan Goldstein's coming out party--FIVE goals, wow. The Kirst/Goldstein combo is going to cause opponents a lot of headaches this year--you can't double them both, can you? And let's not forget Michael Long--three goals and four assists today. Nikolic and Firth with two goals each. Multiple scoring threats makes the team very tough to defend.
The emergence of Goldstein and fellow freshman Mike Tully (G) has been the story since the Penn State debacle, which I am hoping is far behind this team now.
Yeah, the Adlerless defense is overall still very suspect. But I'm a happy Cornell fan today. **]
Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Quote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
Ugh--I was coming here to ask the same question, and that's the answer I feared. It's not a good look for our best young player to taunt the opposition after his best game. Hoping that Buczek straightens him out. But you're right, Al, we can't know led to this.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Yale potted one 4 seconds after Long's with 2 seconds on the clock.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Yale potted one 4 seconds after Long's with 2 seconds on the clock.
We didn't defend, and we didn't really fight for the faceoff with 2 seconds left. Turning the temperature down.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Yale potted one 4 seconds after Long's with 2 seconds on the clock.
We didn't defend, and we didn't really fight for the faceoff with 2 seconds left. Turning the temperature down.
My point was: If Yale didn't like Long shooting with seconds to go...
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Yale potted one 4 seconds after Long's with 2 seconds on the clock.
We didn't defend, and we didn't really fight for the faceoff with 2 seconds left. Turning the temperature down.
My point was: If Yale didn't like Long shooting with seconds to go...
yeah, but that was tit for tat. getting mad at it in either direction is silly.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Yale potted one 4 seconds after Long's with 2 seconds on the clock.
We didn't defend, and we didn't really fight for the faceoff with 2 seconds left. Turning the temperature down.
My point was: If Yale didn't like Long shooting with seconds to go...
yeah, but that was tit for tat. getting mad at it in either direction is silly.
Sigh. Hypocritical to be "mad" about Long's unnecessary goal and then do it yourself. No one on the Cornell side was "mad" about the Yale goal. The game was won.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Yale potted one 4 seconds after Long's with 2 seconds on the clock.
We didn't defend, and we didn't really fight for the faceoff with 2 seconds left. Turning the temperature down.
My point was: If Yale didn't like Long shooting with seconds to go...
yeah, but that was tit for tat. getting mad at it in either direction is silly.
Sigh. Hypocritical to be "mad" about Long's unnecessary goal and then do it yourself. No one on the Cornell side was "mad" about the Yale goal. The game was won.
i don't mean them! i mean (and not particularly seriously) you! i'm saying cornell let it happen so yale could blow off steam.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jjanow99Goldstein unsportsmanlike penalty with 6 seconds to go, what was that?
Looked like he was taunting a Yale defender. Can't know what went on during the game that led to that.
I think Yale got pissed that Long potted one as the shot clock was expiring a couple of seconds ahead of the game clock. I assume whatever Yale said, Goldstein took it a level or two higher.
Yale potted one 4 seconds after Long's with 2 seconds on the clock.
We didn't defend, and we didn't really fight for the faceoff with 2 seconds left. Turning the temperature down.
My point was: If Yale didn't like Long shooting with seconds to go...
yeah, but that was tit for tat. getting mad at it in either direction is silly.
Sigh. Hypocritical to be "mad" about Long's unnecessary goal and then do it yourself. No one on the Cornell side was "mad" about the Yale goal. The game was won.
i don't mean them! i mean (and not particularly seriously) you! i'm saying cornell let it happen so yale could blow off steam.
Strange that you just don't get it. I know Cornell let it happen. By the way, I consider myself "on the Cornell side." You, too. I'm not mad. I was just surprised Yale did it after their reaction to Long's goal.
Yale is notorious in the Ivy League and out, especially at Maryland for being major trash talkers. I've sat behind their bench enough times to know it's true. I'd bet my last dollar that there was plenty of that directed at Ryan throughout the game. He was smart enoughto wait for the last few seconds.
Good win today! The team played well on both sides of the ball. They really fought from the wings on the faceoffs, and they did some damage with the rides.
I didn't mind R Goldstein getting in the face of the Yale Bulldog. You never want penalties, of course, but I like a player who claims the field, esp. a freshman. Cascadden has that quality too. He doesn't take crap from anyone.
Should Long have taken that shot? In the old days, probably not. But I'm told these aren't the old days anymore.
Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Quote from: mike1960Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Absolutely!
Quote from: CU77Quote from: mike1960Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Absolutely!
Let's Go Red!
Quote from: mike1960Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Daniel was awarded the Patty Kaz! A great day.
Contrast with last week where the only good thing that happened was a hockey win vs Harvard.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Daniel was awarded the Patty Kaz! A great day.
Contrast with last week where the only good thing that happened was a hockey win vs Harvard.
Cornell 15, Princeton 14...pretty good
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Daniel was awarded the Patty Kaz! A great day.
Contrast with last week where the only good thing that happened was a hockey win vs Harvard.
Cornell 15, Princeton 14...pretty good
Right! For some reason I thought the PSU game was that day.
Quote from: mike1960Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Yes it was. The only downer is Brian Earl leaving.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: mike1960Cornell lacrosse won. Cornell won the ECAC hockey championship. Arujau wins another national title in wrestling.
A very good day!
Yes it was. The only downer is Brian Earl leaving.
It was a downer, but kind of expected. I appreciate what he did for the program and wish him well.
As complete of a game the Red have played this year. Ivy wins against the Yale and Princeton are the beginnings of a good NCAA resume and we seem to be hitting stride at a critical time in the season.
Quint has us #6.
https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-march-25th-2024/
6) Cornell
"Hard Hat 21" is now in the catbird seat to host the Ivy League tournament after defeating Yale on Saturday following last week's win at Princeton.
The penalty kill unit and CJ Kirst won the day in the high scoring affair with Yale. Cornell's offense is multi-pronged and dynamic. Just love watching this group play. The defense is not good, ranking #62 in the nation, with short sticks who require constant baby sitting.
Let's not kid ourselves, Ivy defenses are sold separately in 2024 making these league games must see television.
Cornell and Penn meet on Franklin Field this weekend.
Quote from: mike1960"Hard Hat 21" is now in the catbird seat to host the Ivy League tournament after defeating Yale on Saturday following last week's win at Princeton.
"Sitting in the catbird seat," haven't heard that since Red Barber retired!
Yes! Memories of his sessions with the late Bob Edward's on NPR's Morning Edition.
Gonna be a slop mess tonight.
Quote from: upprdeckGonna be a slop mess tonight.
probably the type of game we want against a better team used to a dome.
Quote from: chimpfoodQuote from: upprdeckGonna be a slop mess tonight.
probably the type of game we want against a better team used to a dome.
I hope you are right, but we had lots of trouble with our passing in the rain at The Pennsylvania State University.
We bring such passion, energy, and skill to our wing game on the faceoffs and on our riding. Both have paid off fantastically.
Question: Why don't we bring that same mentality to the defense all four quarters? Make that our calling card.
Ticketing question
My family and I are visiting Cornell this Saturday. I see there is a game against Brown at 12:00 p.m. If there's any chance I can convince them to the game for awhile, I would love to do that. I know these games don't sell out, and it's spring break, so I'm not expecting big crowds. Do they sell tickets at the gate, or do I have to buy them in advance?
The cornellbigred.com ticketing wesbite has links for tickets for men's hockey, men's basketball, men's soccer and wrestling--none of which (sadly for hockey) are in season. ::shifty::
bigredtix.com (I assume this site is legit?) says tickets are $7.00 for kids 12 and under and $12.00 for adults--anyone know if the prices are the same at the gate?
Thanks everyone.
I went to the SU game with my brother and sister (SU fans, I tolerate them LOL)
and we had no issues getting tickets walking up. I wouldnt expect the crowd to be larger for Brown (less rain but still chilly, and I assume no Brown fans while SU had some diehards in attendance)
bathrooms and a concession were open.
I thought the tickets were still $10, but it does look like they have gone up to $12
still a deal compared to tickets at the Dome (18+ surcharges and you need to pay for parking and walk further)
Quote from: Cornell95I went to the SU game with my brother and sister (SU fans, I tolerate them LOL)
and we had no issues getting tickets walking up. I wouldnt expect the crowd to be larger for Brown (less rain but still chilly, and I assume no Brown fans while SU had some diehards in attendance)
bathrooms and a concession were open.
I thought the tickets were still $10, but it does look like they have gone up to $12
still a deal compared to tickets at the Dome (18+ surcharges and you need to pay for parking and walk further)
I think I asked this before, but when I went to Cornell a hundred years ago, a violin player would play the national anthem. I loved that. I don't suppose that happens anymore?
For the SU game the Canadian and United States anthems were played over the PA system
guessing we might see the pep band in the stands doing both when the weather is better and students arent on break
Quote from: Cornell95For the SU game the Canadian and United States anthems were played over the PA system
guessing we might see the pep band in the stands doing both when the weather is better and students arent on break
Thanks!
Quote from: Cornell95I went to the SU game with my brother and sister (SU fans, I tolerate them LOL)
and we had no issues getting tickets walking up. I wouldnt expect the crowd to be larger for Brown (less rain but still chilly, and I assume no Brown fans while SU had some diehards in attendance)
bathrooms and a concession were open.
I thought the tickets were still $10, but it does look like they have gone up to $12
still a deal compared to tickets at the Dome (18+ surcharges and you need to pay for parking and walk further)
Thank you for the information.
One thing we learned from the Syracuse game is that we are effective when we open up the field and create more space. We tend to pass the ball to get a closer shot and squeeze the defense down, but that also clogs the middle, especially with the crease attack in there. When we spread things out by just two or three steps, the SU defense had to make longer slides and were in some difficulty. We spread things out only a couple of times, but I hope they see that and try it more often in future games.
Glad you're going to the game. Thank you for making our collective day if in any way you had thoughts Schoellkopf Field might sell out (though you said otherwise). That happens for graduation (tickets are $70,000 times four years) and comes close for the fireworks the night before football Homecoming in September.
Yes, BigRedTix.com is the legit link to Cornell tickets. It's $7 for 12 and under, and and over, groups of 10 or more, leaving teens and adults to pay $12. I believe that's the same price for at the gate. If it's not, you're paying more gasoline that you do for the tickets, in most cases. A really excellent lacrosse game against, say, a Princeton on a warm Saturday afternoon might draw 4,000-5,000. Syracuse these days is a night game and in the rain and cold Tuesday drew just under a thousand. Against a Duke or a Virginia ... wait, the Secession State schools generally don't come north to Schoellkopf. We have wisely picked up Big10 type opponents who have pretty good.
Happy to see Notre Dame beat Duke today 14-12. Wouldn't want to get them after a tough loss.
ND tickets here: https://www.ticketsignup.io/TicketEvent/CornellvsNotreDame
Quote from: mike1960Happy to see Notre Dame beat Duke today 14-12. Wouldn't want to get them after a tough loss.
I'd enjoy seeing Duke lose in cornhole.
Cornell loses by 1 goal to the #1 team and drops a position in the polls to 9th. 10th in RPI. Media poll is in, Quint Kessenich's personal poll is in (Cornell 10), USILA coaches poll strolls in late Monday / Tuesday. All have Yale rated above Cornell by 1-2 positions, FWIW. Update: USILA poll, in Tuesday, is the most favorable to Cornell's status: ranked 8th, ahead of 9 Yale, 13 Penn, 17 Princeton and 19 Harvard.
[b]Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev[/b]
1 Notre Dame (8 - 1) 500(25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 465 4
3 Johns Hopkins (9 - 3) 442 3
4 Virginia (10 - 2) 420 2
5 Maryland (8 - 3) 389 5
6 Syracuse (10 - 4) 354 7
7 Denver (9 - 2) 349 10
8 Yale (9 - 2) 313 9
9 Cornell (7 - 4) 300 8
10 Penn State (8 - 3) 284 11
11 Georgetown (8 - 3) 269 6
12 Army (9 - 2) 230 12
13 Penn (8 - 4) 214 14
14 Towson (9 - 3) 143 18
15 Richmond (8 - 4) 134 19
16 Saint Joseph's (8 - 3) 108 20
17 Princeton (7 - 4) 94 13
18 Harvard (7 - 4) 82 16
19 Delaware (7 - 3) 45 23
20 Boston U (7 - 5) 30 15
Receiving Votes: Colgate, Michigan, Ohio State, Navy, Villanova, Sacred Heart, UAlbany, Loyola, Rutgers, Jacksonville, Air Force, Utah
Quint Kessenich's Top 20 https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-15th-2024/
1. ND
2. Duke
3. Hopkins
4. Virginia
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Syracuse was 10
8. Yale was 6
9. Denver
10. Cornell was 8
11. Georgetown
12. Penn unchanged
13. Richmond
14. Army
15. Delaware
16. Towson
17. Princeton was 13
18. Saint Joseph's
19. Ohio State
20. Harvard
RPI https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
1. ND (first)
8. Yale
10. Cornell
12. Penn
17. Harvard
19. Princeton
37. Brown
55. Dartmouth
76. Hampton (dead last)
[edit add 4/16]
[b]USILA WEEK 11
Team (First-Place Votes) Rank Record Points[/b]
Notre Dame (21) 1 8-1 420
Duke 2 11-3 394
Johns Hopkins 3 9-3 354
Virginia 4 10-2 352
Maryland 5 8-3 333
Denver 6 9-2 303
Syracuse 7 10-4 289[b][color=#FF0000]
Cornell 8 7-4 260 was 10[/color][/b]
[b]Yale 9 9-2 258[/b]
Penn State 10 8-3 233
Georgetown 11 8-3 218
Army 12 9-2 196
[b]Penn 13 8-4 178[/b]
Richmond 14 8-4 133
St. Josephs 15 8-3 112
Towson 16 9-3 106
[b]Princeton 17 7-4 82[/b]
Delaware 18 7-3 52
[b]Harvard 19 7-4 46[/b]
Air Force 20 7-4 20
Also receiving votes: Michigan (14), Boston U. (11), Ohio State (9), Utah (9), Colgate (8), Rutgers (7), Villanova (4), Loyola Maryland (2), Sacred Heart (2), High Point (1), Navy (1), Providence (1), Albany (1), and North Carolina (1).
Quote from: billhowardCornell loses by 1 goal to the #1 team and drops a position in the polls to 9th. 10th in RPI. Media poll is in, Quint Kessenich's personal poll is in (Cornell 10), USILA coaches poll strolls in late Monday / Tuesday. All have Yale rated above Cornell by 1-2 positions, FWIW.
[b]Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev[/b]
1 Notre Dame (8 - 1) 500(25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 465 4
3 Johns Hopkins (9 - 3) 442 3
4 Virginia (10 - 2) 420 2
5 Maryland (8 - 3) 389 5
6 Syracuse (10 - 4) 354 7
7 Denver (9 - 2) 349 10
8 Yale (9 - 2) 313 9
9 Cornell (7 - 4) 300 8
10 Penn State (8 - 3) 284 11
11 Georgetown (8 - 3) 269 6
12 Army (9 - 2) 230 12
13 Penn (8 - 4) 214 14
14 Towson (9 - 3) 143 18
15 Richmond (8 - 4) 134 19
16 Saint Joseph's (8 - 3) 108 20
17 Princeton (7 - 4) 94 13
18 Harvard (7 - 4) 82 16
19 Delaware (7 - 3) 45 23
20 Boston U (7 - 5) 30 15
Receiving Votes: Colgate, Michigan, Ohio State, Navy, Villanova, Sacred Heart, UAlbany, Loyola, Rutgers, Jacksonville, Air Force, Utah
Quint Kessenich's Top 20 https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-15th-2024/
1. ND
2. Duke
3. Hopkins
4. Virginia
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Syracuse was 10
8. Yale was 6
9. Denver
10. Cornell was 8
11. Georgetown
12. Penn unchanged
13. Richmond
14. Army
15. Delaware
16. Towson
17. Princeton was 13
18. Saint Joseph's
19. Ohio State
20. Harvard
RPI https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
1. ND (first)
8. Yale
10. Cornell
12. Penn
17. Harvard
19. Princeton
37. Brown
55. Dartmouth
76. Hampton (dead last)
Amazing we lose THAT game and we drop in the rankings. Did anyone even watch or they saw an L and reflexively voted.
Reality is 10 is about right.
we beat SU/Yale/Prin
we lost ND/Den/PSU/Penn
Harvard left to play as a top 20 right now
If we had beaten Penn we would probably be 6-8 right now
My eyes glaze over when drilling down into what goes into RPI numbers. Is there a more complex RPI – that is, more accurate, that is better favors Cornell and Ivy teams – such as: Disparity in games already played before first weekend of March, relative rank of teams when the game was played vs. current or end-of-season rank, trend over the season, projected rank of the team in the post-season (okay, a reach). All in hopes of the most equitable selection of post-season teams.
[updating and correcting:] We lost 17-16 to Denver Feb, 4. That was Denver's fourth game. On the road. We beat Ohio state March 2, their sixth game, our fourth.
Our losses were by 1, 11 vs. PSU, 1 in OT, and now 1. Every win except the Princeton and Syracuse games were by >1.
Our lacrosse losses seem to happen more often in the early, colder part of the season. Cornell has gone from having indoor space in Bacon [batting] Cage adjecent to Hoy Field to artificial turf at Schoellkopf circa 1970-71 so teams could practice on a field that wasn't mud, to the half-field area in Bartels Hall since around 1990, to the pending indoor Meinig Field House (full field, 120 yards long) in 2026. That's going to help. Maybe we'll be at less of a disadvantage to top teams in early season play.
Quote from: billhowardWe lost 17-16 to Denver Feb, 4. That was Denver's fourth game, our first. Plus it was on the road. We beat Ohio state March 2, their sixth game, our fourth. By the time we lost 12-11 hosting Penn State, it was our seventh game, their ninth, not much difference, and we almost made up the entire 9-4 deficit after three
There are so many facts wrong in this paragraph, I don't know where to start. Denver wasn't our first game — we opened the season vs Lehigh. We got creamed by Penn State 20-9 in State College in our 5th game, and it was 18-7 after 3. We haven't lost a game in Ithaca (yet).
I like the Massey ratings, which take into account scores, game location, and recency. The precise formula is not disclosed, but the results comport pretty well with eyeball opinion (given the high uncertainties in that). Ratings are updated daily. Cornell is currently #11.
https://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
Cornell is #10 in RPI and also in the laxmath power rating (based on goal differential)
https://www.laxmath.com/men/rating001x.php
Quote from: CU77I like the Massey ratings, which take into account scores, game location, and recency. The precise formula is not disclosed, but the results comport pretty well with eyeball opinion (given the high uncertainties in that). Ratings are updated daily. Cornell is currently #11.
https://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
Cornell is #10 in RPI and also in the laxmath power rating (based on goal differential)
https://www.laxmath.com/men/rating001x.php
Admittedly, I don't understand what I am looking at in the Massey ratings, but I have a hard time respecting a rating that leaves Princeton unchanged at #12 after losing to Brown.
Just want to pay respects to Coach Buczek on playing 2 offensive midfields and giving fairly equal time. The one problem I had with Coach Tambroni was the way he would double shift his first midfield.
Quote from: rss77Just want to pay respects to Coach Buczek on playing 2 offensive midfields and giving fairly equal time. The one problem I had with Coach Tambroni was the way he would double shift his first midfield.
That definitely pays off down the stretch.
Buczek likely remembers when DeLuca kept him on the bench his entire freshman year.
Quote from: CU77Buczek likely remembers when DeLuca kept him on the bench his entire freshman year.
I remember that, too.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77Buczek likely remembers when DeLuca kept him on the bench his entire freshman year.
I remember that, too.
Still a mystery considering Buczek quickly showed his talent once he got on the field.
If I remember correctly, he didn't even suit up as a freshman. Is that right?
Quote from: jjanow99If I remember correctly, he didn't even suit up as a freshman. Is that right?
1 goal, 2 shots, 2 SOG; appeared in 5 games, started none
CB scored that 1 goal late against Yale in the opening round of the ILT, when Cornell was way behind. I still remember thinking "why hasn't this guy been getting time???"
Huge game tomorrow. I personally think a W tomorrow solidifies our at-large profile (no 'bad' losses) so that even with an L in the ILT Semis we might sneak in. This of course assumes we take care of business @Dartmouth.
Cornell polls after the 4/20 Harvard game, one week left in the season. 8 or 9 (USILA) in polls, +1 places from last week. USILA coaches had Cornell at #7 in the pre-season.
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Current rankings
8 Media poll/Inside Lacrosse
9 USILA coaches
8 Kessinich / LaxAllStars
8 RPI
Media / Inside Lacrosse Poll
# Team Pts/1st Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500(25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins(10-3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 St Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21
Receiving Votes: Harvard, Loyola, Jacksonville, Sacred Heart, UAlbany, Villanova, Utah
[corrected per Semsox note]
DIVISION I - WEEK 12 (APRIL 22)
Team (1sts) Plc-Place Votes) Rank Record Points
Notre Dame (18) 1 9-1 379
Duke (1) 2 11-3 361
Johns Hopkins 3 10-3 337
Syracuse 4 11-4 319
Denver 5 10-2 299
Virginia 6 10-3 285
Maryland 7 8-3 254
Yale 8 11-2 241
Cornell 9 8-4 233
Penn State 10 9-3 218
Georgetown 11 9-3 198
Army 12 10-2 172
St. Joseph's 13 9-3 121
Richmond 14 9-4 119
Towson 15 10-3 106
Princeton 16 8-4 102
Penn 17 8-5 81
Delaware 18 8-3 52
Michigan 19 7-6 25
Loyola 20 7-6 20
Also receiving votes: Harvard (15), Villanova (14), Colgate (10), Utah (10), Lehigh (6), Navy (3), Air Force (2), High Point (2), Jacksonville (2), Sacred Heart (2), Boston (1), and Ohio State (1).
How does anyone put Maryland above Hopkins?
Big discrepancy in the poll positions of Syracuse and The Pennsylvania State.
Those are the preseason USILA rankings, which unfortunately seems what the Inside Lacrosse rankings page defaults to. Actual USILA rankings as of 4/22:
2024 DIVISION I - WEEK 12 (APRIL 22)
Team (First-Place Votes) Rank Record Points
Notre Dame (18) 1 9-1 379
Duke (1) 2 11-3 361
Johns Hopkins 3 10-3 337
Syracuse 4 11-4 319
Denver 5 10-2 299
Virginia 6 10-3 285
Maryland 7 8-3 254
Yale 8 11-2 241
Cornell 9 8-4 233
Penn State 10 9-3 218
Georgetown 11 9-3 198
Army 12 10-2 172
St. Joseph's 13 9-3 121
Richmond 14 9-4 119
Towson 15 10-3 106
Princeton 16 8-4 102
Penn 17 8-5 81
Delaware 18 8-3 52
Michigan 19 7-6 25
Loyola 20 7-6 20
Also receiving votes: Harvard (15), Villanova (14), Colgate (10), Utah (10), Lehigh (6), Navy (3), Air Force (2), High Point (2), Jacksonville (2), Sacred Heart (2), Boston (1), and Ohio State (1).
Bracketology on IL has us as number 8-playing Penn State (no!), if we win playing Notre Dame. Oh boy...
Quote from: arugulaBracketology on IL has us as number 8-playing Penn State (no!), if we win playing Notre Dame. Oh boy...
And then potentially Syracuse and Denver in the rematch tour.
Quote from: arugulaBracketology on IL has us as number 8-playing Penn State (no!), if we win playing Notre Dame. Oh boy...
Bring 'em on. Bring 'em ALL on!
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: arugulaBracketology on IL has us as number 8-playing Penn State (no!), if we win playing Notre Dame. Oh boy...
Bring 'em on. Bring 'em ALL on!
a) Thank you to everyone who avoided saying, "If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best."
b) We lucked out en route to the 2022 final because we did not have to play #1 Maryland until the title game and en route we faced unranked (i.e. not a top-8 seed) Ohio State, then unranked Delaware (thank you for taking down #2 Georgetown), then #6 Rutgers in the semifinals, and only then Maryland, which had disposed of tournament opponents 21-5, 18-9, 13-8 (Princeton) and only then did we find outselves losing by 2 to the Terps. So the pendulum swings.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: arugulaBracketology on IL has us as number 8-playing Penn State (no!), if we win playing Notre Dame. Oh boy...
And then potentially Syracuse and Denver in the rematch tour.
Speaks to strength of schedule which will help in myriad ways.
Cornell hockey won the ECAC and qualified for the NCAAs this season in large part because they didn't have to beat anybody especially good on their way to the title.
Quote from: BearLoverCornell hockey won the ECAC and qualified for the NCAAs this season in large part because they didn't have to beat anybody especially good on their way to the title.
So what. We'd have had a better shot at winning the whole thing if we'd learned from (and beat).much better teams.
You want a lottery ticket.
I'd rather have a much stronger chance of winning the rhing5
But hockey did beat several good teams-BU, ASU, drew UMASS. Not the best schedule but not terribly weak.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverCornell hockey won the ECAC and qualified for the NCAAs this season in large part because they didn't have to beat anybody especially good on their way to the title.
So what. We'd have had a better shot at winning the whole thing if we'd learned from (and beat).much better teams.
You want a lottery ticket.
I'd rather have a much stronger chance of winning the rhing5
Huh? Cornell outplayed #5 Maine in the first round of the NCAAs and then evenly played #3 Denver, who ultimately won the national championship, in the quarterfinals. Where's the evidence Cornell was hurt by its easy schedule? If Cornell lost to Quinnipiac in the ECAC tournament, there would have been no NCAA tournament, the season would have been over. Cornell was inches away from the Frozen Four in large part because we dodged having to play anyone good on its way to the league championship.
This season we saw a clear benefit of an easy ECAC, and we saw none of the (hypothetical) downsides.
Back to lacrosse—I think it is obviously better to avoid having to play good teams, if possible, particularly in one-and-done games which end your season.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverCornell hockey won the ECAC and qualified for the NCAAs this season in large part because they didn't have to beat anybody especially good on their way to the title.
So what. We'd have had a better shot at winning the whole thing if we'd learned from (and beat).much better teams.
You want a lottery ticket.
I'd rather have a much stronger chance of winning the rhing5
Huh? Cornell outplayed #5 Maine in the first round of the NCAAs and then evenly played #3 Denver, who ultimately won the national championship, in the quarterfinals. Where's the evidence Cornell was hurt by its easy schedule? If Cornell lost to Quinnipiac in the ECAC tournament, there would have been no NCAA tournament, the season would have been over. Cornell was inches away from the Frozen Four in large part because we dodged having to play anyone good on its way to the league championship.
This season we saw a clear benefit of an easy ECAC, and we saw none of the (hypothetical) downsides.
Back to lacrosse—I think it is obviously better to avoid having to play good teams, if possible, particularly in one-and-done games which end your season.
It really depends on various stochastic events. Because of our tough schedule in lacrosse we have a relatively high RPI & SOS. Had RG30 not made a freshman mistake, we had a good chance of beating #1 ND, which would have ensured a place in the NC tourney. As is, unless we lose to a much lower-ranked Ivy in the first round of the ILT, which would lower our RPI substantially, because of our schedule and record we have a good chance of making the NC tourney even if we don't win the ILT. And having played some really tough competition, hopefully we'll be better prepared for the NC tourney, which will likely be the most evenly matched in recent memory.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverCornell hockey won the ECAC and qualified for the NCAAs this season in large part because they didn't have to beat anybody especially good on their way to the title.
So what. We'd have had a better shot at winning the whole thing if we'd learned from (and beat).much better teams.
You want a lottery ticket.
I'd rather have a much stronger chance of winning the rhing5
Huh? Cornell outplayed #5 Maine in the first round of the NCAAs and then evenly played #3 Denver, who ultimately won the national championship, in the quarterfinals. Where's the evidence Cornell was hurt by its easy schedule? If Cornell lost to Quinnipiac in the ECAC tournament, there would have been no NCAA tournament, the season would have been over. Cornell was inches away from the Frozen Four in large part because we dodged having to play anyone good on its way to the league championship.
This season we saw a clear benefit of an easy ECAC, and we saw none of the (hypothetical) downsides.
Back to lacrosse—I think it is obviously better to avoid having to play good teams, if possible, particularly in one-and-done games which end your season.
It really depends on various stochastic events. Because of our tough schedule in lacrosse we have a relatively high RPI & SOS. Had RG30 not made a freshman mistake, we had a good chance of beating #1 ND, which would have ensured a place in the NC tourney. As is, unless we lose to a much lower-ranked Ivy in the first round of the ILT, which would lower our RPI substantially, because of our schedule and record we have a good chance of making the NC tourney even if we don't win the ILT. And having played some really tough competition, hopefully we'll be better prepared for the NC tourney, which will likely be the most evenly matched in recent memory.
I wouldn't put the loss on RG30. It was a critical moment in the game, yes, but there were many times when we could have pushed an advantage or stopped the ND offense, and we didn't always get it done. That's how it goes.
I don't think anyone in the country is looking forward to seeing us in their bracket in the big tournament. We are primed to make a run. We'll go as far as our defense can take us.
D has gotten better. Goalie play has improved. Better job winning faceoffs. It all adds up.
A few less unforced turnovers so the offense has more chances would help as well.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverCornell hockey won the ECAC and qualified for the NCAAs this season in large part because they didn't have to beat anybody especially good on their way to the title.
So what. We'd have had a better shot at winning the whole thing if we'd learned from (and beat).much better teams.
You want a lottery ticket.
I'd rather have a much stronger chance of winning the rhing5
Huh? Cornell outplayed #5 Maine in the first round of the NCAAs and then evenly played #3 Denver, who ultimately won the national championship, in the quarterfinals. Where's the evidence Cornell was hurt by its easy schedule? If Cornell lost to Quinnipiac in the ECAC tournament, there would have been no NCAA tournament, the season would have been over. Cornell was inches away from the Frozen Four in large part because we dodged having to play anyone good on its way to the league championship.
This season we saw a clear benefit of an easy ECAC, and we saw none of the (hypothetical) downsides.
Back to lacrosse—I think it is obviously better to avoid having to play good teams, if possible, particularly in one-and-done games which end your season.
It really depends on various stochastic events. Because of our tough schedule in lacrosse we have a relatively high RPI & SOS. Had RG30 not made a freshman mistake, we had a good chance of beating #1 ND, which would have ensured a place in the NC tourney. As is, unless we lose to a much lower-ranked Ivy in the first round of the ILT, which would lower our RPI substantially, because of our schedule and record we have a good chance of making the NC tourney even if we don't win the ILT. And having played some really tough competition, hopefully we'll be better prepared for the NC tourney, which will likely be the most evenly matched in recent memory.
I wouldn't put the loss on RG30. It was a critical moment in the game, yes, but there were many times when we could have pushed an advantage or stopped the ND offense, and we didn't always get it done. That's how it goes.
I don't think anyone in the country is looking forward to seeing us in their bracket in the big tournament. We are primed to make a run. We'll go as far as our defense can take us.
I agree: we could have won several ways, but we didn't. Nonetheless, had we succeeded in any one of the crucial moments you mention, our chances of winning the game would have increased substantially. I pointed to RG30's mistake because he is a first-year student. In both men's lacrosse and men's hockey, we've had an unusually large cohort of first-years getting regular playing time. This is testimony to how well the coaching staffs in both sports are recruiting. And, not coincidentally, both the ND lacrosse match and the Denver hockey match were lost by events that took place shortly after extremely talented first-year players made critical mistakes.
The implication is that as they mature and become more experienced, such mistakes are likely to become more infrequent. In other words,in both sports the future looks extremely bright,and we may look back at these two critical losses as necessary learning experiences on the way to realistic shots at NCs in both sports.
lax punishes a weak schedule much more than hockey. a good ivy league that we are not dogshit in is more of an advantage than a good ecac is in hockey, imo. i still find the debate re: hockey tedious because it's essentially not susceptible of compelling proof either way.
Scroll down to the photo of the 1948 RPI lacrosse team that represented USA in the Olympics. The young guy in the baseball cap later put Cornell lacrosse and hockey on the national map.
https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/rpi-looks-add-programs-rich-history-championship-pedigree
Final weekend of the regular season. Ivy League nicely stacked the 3 games (Penn DNP today) so we can watch 2 1/2 of them without a lot of overlap. The current standings:
Cornell 4-1
Yale 4-1
Penn 4-2
Princeton 3-2
Brown 2-3
Harvard 1-4
Dartmouth 0-5
Princeton @ Yale, 12 noon. Princeton needs the win to guarantee it makes the ILT. A loss and maybe the Tigers would be 3-3 Ivy, 8-5 overall, maybe don't make the ILT and maybe don't make the NCAA tournament. Possibly the most talented team omitted. Game should finish by 2:15, time for a breather then ...
Brown @ Harvard, 3:30 pm. Of interest because if Princeton loses and Brown wins, Brown becomes the ILT four-seed. Harvard does not make the ILT win or lose.
Cornell @ Dartmouth, 4 pm. A win and Cornell assures itself at least a tie for the Ivy title and the 1-seed for the ILT since Cornell won the H2H over Yale. The only downside to such a late game is the team doesn't get back until midnight.
Sunday there is no selection show for the ILT since it's all determined by W-L and H2H comparisons. It's Friday 2 vs. 3 seed in semifinal 1, and 1 vs. 4 semifinal 2 Friday (they fixed the graphic (https://ivyleague.com/feature/24mlaxtournament) that had all 3 games played Sunday, but removed the game times).
Cornell cruising up in New Hampshire. 10-5 at the half, 4-1–5 for CJ Kirst. Dartmouth shut out in the third, Cornell eases off the throttle, puts Tully in goal. Finally Cornell 15-10. . I can't tell if the game is moving more methodically (slowly) than our games against Yale-Princeton-Penn or if it's just finishing off the RS and getting ready for the ILT. Kirst 4-3--7, Danny Cadigan 3G. Back to Ithaca and home field advantage for the Ivy tournament.
Cornell 6 4 2 3 -- 15
Dartmouth 2 3 0 5 -- 10
Harvard dismantling the Brown dream (of making the ILT if also and only Princeton collapsed). Harvard 6, Brown 3 nearing halftime. Brown shuts out Harvard in the fourth quarter, comes up one goal short.
Brown 2 2 3 3 -- 10
Harvard 5 2 4 0 -- 11
Princeton playing well at Yale, maintaining a lead of a couple goals in the first half. Opens to 5 at the half: Princeton, 9-4. Princeton 12-4 midway into the third period. Sorry, Brown, your Cinderella dream of eking into that ILT four spot is fading. P13-7 after 3. Final: Princeton 15, Yale 8.Princeton 4 5 4 2 -- 15
Yale 2 2 3 1 -- 8
Nice to see the Yale video crew (like Cornell's) has trouble keeping the player with the ball in the scene, including some trouble tracking a Tiger long pole chugging halfway halfway across the field to score.
Looks as if the Brown-Harvard game is not consequential. Brown making the 4-seed required Y>Pr and B>H. So, ILT looks like:
ILT host: Cornell. Games: Cornell vs. Penn and Princeton vs. Yale.
So a cornell win makes it
Cornell
Princeton
Yale
Penn
Really need to beat Penn then because 2 losses to them and Penn perhaps winning the Ivy puts Cornell back on the bubble
Ivy League Instagram already says that the bracket is locked in and to be played in Ithaca, is this right even if we lose?
Quote from: chimpfoodIvy League Instagram already says that the bracket is locked in and to be played in Ithaca, is this right even if we lose?
The schedule on the CU site (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule) already has us playing Princeton at Schoellkopf Friday, May 3 at 8:30pm.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodIvy League Instagram already says that the bracket is locked in and to be played in Ithaca, is this right even if we lose?
The schedule on the CU site (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule) already has us playing Princeton at Schoellkopf Friday, May 3 at 8:30pm.
Huh, Ivy post says we play Penn at the same time.
This is the Ivy standings 4/27 after Princeton beat Penn, before Harvard-Brown, Cornell-Dartmouth.
Ivy Standings the Final Week [this tabulation for H-B and C-D]
TEAM W L 4/27 Game Ivy Wins over (top 4 in bold)
Cornell 4 1 @Dartmouth [b]Princeton, Yale[/b], Brown, Harvard
Princeton 4 2 @Yale Harvard, Dartmouth, [b]Penn, Yale[/b]
Yale 4 2 Princeton Harvard, Brown, [b]Penn[/b], Dartmouth
Penn 4 2 ---- Brown, Dartmouth, [b]Cornell[/b], Harvard
Brown** 2 3 @Harvard Princeton, Dartmouth
Harvard 1 4 Brown
Dartmouth 0 5 Cornell
Assuming Cornell loses to Dartmouth, four teams are 4-2.
Cornell has 2 wins against the other three 4-2 teams, loss only to Penn.
Princeton has 2 wins against the other 4-2 teams but loses H2H against Cornell
Yale has 2 wins against the others but loses H2Hs with Cornell and Princeton
Penn has 1 win against the other top teams but loses H2H
First tiebreaker, if 2 teams tied, it's decided on H2H record. It's 4 ties, so ...
Second tiebreaker, best cumulative record against the others who tied. Cornell, Princeton are 2-1 vs. top 3 opponents, Yale and Penn are 1-2. So Cornell and Princeton are the 1-2 or 2-1 teams.
Then H2H between Cornell and Princeton, Cornell beat the Tigers on the last-second goal. Thus:
1 Cornell
2 Princeton (which might have been out of the ILT with a loss at Yale, and B>H
3 Yale
4 Penn
I think that's how the tiebreaker works. Regardless, the Ivy League page has declared it thus.
I don't like this business of assuming we win before we play. It's bad luck.
Quote from: upprdeckSo a cornell win makes it
Cornell
Princeton
Yale
Penn
Really need to beat Penn then because 2 losses to them and Penn perhaps winning the Ivy puts Cornell back on the bubble
I don't see how that would put Cornell on the bubble.
Dartmouth really sucks.
Cornell opens an early 2-0 lead over Dartmouth.
Long not playing, Caddigan at attack with Kirst and Goldstein.
Most people think it's tempting fate.
But also this: God is on the side of the army with the bigger battalions. Cornell has won the last 11 meetings against Dartmouth. Hasn't lost at Dartmouth since 1997.
We need to mark up on those crease attacks. That's where Dartmouth wants to go.
You gotta ask: How difficult is it to broadcast the shot clock?
Quote from: CU77Long not playing, Caddigan at attack with Kirst and Goldstein.
What's going on with Long?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77Long not playing, Caddigan at attack with Kirst and Goldstein.
What's going on with Long?
No public word, AFAIK
Quote from: CU77Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77Long not playing, Caddigan at attack with Kirst and Goldstein.
What's going on with Long?
No public word, AFAIK
Ugh. Did he finish last week's game?
Broadcasters talking about Long's absence but they have no idea why he isn't playing.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77Long not playing, Caddigan at attack with Kirst and Goldstein.
What's going on with Long?
No public word, AFAIK
Ugh. Did he finish last week's game?
Yes
You don't see a lot of lift checks anymore. That would help when the opponent loads to shoot.
Per a poster at fanlax on Long:
QuoteHe is there in street clothes. Nothing obvious coming out to greet team on a play stoppage. 46 not playing either
RG30 is playing well at X. Moving the ball and finding open cutters.
12 - 5 Good guys after three quarters.
16 saves for both goalies.
15 turnovers for the Big Green
Cornell wins the game, 15-10, and sole possession of the Ivy League title.
Congrats to the team and coaches on a great regular season.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: chimpfoodIvy League Instagram already says that the bracket is locked in and to be played in Ithaca, is this right even if we lose?
The schedule on the CU site (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule) already has us playing Princeton at Schoellkopf Friday, May 3 at 8:30pm.
they really going to start the game at 8:30. Should be more like 4/7 if they want people to show up
Quote from: mike1960You gotta ask: How difficult is it to broadcast the shot clock?
a) there was at least one other game where the shot clock wasn't in the clock/scores onscreen graphic.
b) at some schools, either the clock doesn't output a signal for time shot clock time remaining, or their software doesn't accept the clock output but if ESPN is supplyng the production equipment (which may be as simple as a laptop and an extra screen or two) and an interface box to to the clock, the software should be the same everywhere.
I wouldn't mind a bigger shot clock, this on a 65" display from 10 feet away. I'd really like to control the size of the scores/clock graphic and what the graphic shows. It'll be do-able someday.
Quote from: CU77Cornell wins the game, 15-10, and sole possession of the Ivy League title.
Congrats to the team and coaches on a great regular season.
It was a good win. It was clear from the start that the Big Green were going to have an uphill day.
Our offense got the job done, although I think we took a few too many ill-considered shots. The absence of Mikey Long was noticeable. I hope he's ok for the tournament. We need him. RG30 had a couple of questionable moments but was otherwise great at X. CJ proved today that if you don't guard him, and often when you do, he will score goals.
Nice job with the defense. We kept Green from the top side and pushed them down the alleys. We also sent a slider to pick up pretty quick. I also like that we sent a double when the ballcarrier turned his back. That's a recipe for a turnover, and I think we got a couple from that. Too bad about the final three Green goals at the end. 7 is a lot better than 10 for a defense, but good job nonetheless!
Long on sidelines in shorts and black T. No wraps or bandages. Walked, moved fine.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: CU77Cornell wins the game, 15-10, and sole possession of the Ivy League title.
Nice job with the defense. We kept Green from the top side and pushed them down the alleys. We also sent a slider to pick up pretty quick. I also like that we sent a double when the ballcarrier turned his back. That's a recipe for a turnover, and I think we got a couple from that. Too bad about the final three Green goals at the end. 7 is a lot better than 10 for a defense, but good job nonetheless!
Subs in the last regular season game to get some playing time. Last 3 goals less important than that experience for the players and their families. I remember when my kid was rookie goalie in as a sacrificial lamb. Worth every moment!
I'm having a hard time seeing how Cornell could miss the NCAAs at this point. We are 9th in RPI and there are 18 NCAA spots. We had one bad loss the entire season, vs Penn State; the other three losses were by one goal. We blew a lot of teams out. I don't see how the committee could leave Cornell out even if we lose next week.
How many autobids could go to teams who would not get at-large bids?
Princeton was out.. Now they are back on the bubble, they could win the IVY
Mich could win the B10
Denver loses to a bad BE team and Gtown loses in the finals could get a WC in from there.
I dont think any other leagues can cause an issue.
We are probably safe but there really isnt a ton of wiggle room,
We are probably the safest of the IVY now and they all cant win 2 games to get ahead of us.
Quote from: dag14Quote from: mike1960Quote from: CU77Cornell wins the game, 15-10, and sole possession of the Ivy League title.
Nice job with the defense. We kept Green from the top side and pushed them down the alleys. We also sent a slider to pick up pretty quick. I also like that we sent a double when the ballcarrier turned his back. That's a recipe for a turnover, and I think we got a couple from that. Too bad about the final three Green goals at the end. 7 is a lot better than 10 for a defense, but good job nonetheless!
Subs in the last regular season game to get some playing time. Last 3 goals less important than that experience for the players and their families. I remember when my kid was rookie goalie in as a sacrificial lamb. Worth every moment!
Thanks! Probably great for team morale. The backups put in the work too.
Right! The Omar Kanjis of the lacrosse world work just as hard as the starters and the stars. If their parents and siblings and girlfriend see them in a game for 5 minutes, it is worth a lot. I think it ripples back to the recruiting candidates about which are the teams you want to play for. And the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.
Quote from: BearLoverI'm having a hard time seeing how Cornell could miss the NCAAs at this point. We are 9th in RPI and there are 18 NCAA spots. We had one bad loss the entire season, vs Penn State; the other three losses were by one goal. We blew a lot of teams out. I don't see how the committee could leave Cornell out even if we lose next week.
How many autobids could go to teams who would not get at-large bids?
1) There are 17 slots: 9 autobids and 8 at-large bids.
2) The committee does not care, at all, about margins of victory or defeat.
3) The ACC does not get an autobid (too few teams).
4) From the ACC: ND, Duke, UVa, Cuse are all locks for ALs.
5) 2 B1G teams are locks (whichever of JHU,UMd,PSU do not get the autobid).
6) Georgeton/Denver loser is close to a lock (Denver beat JHU and us, GT beat ND).
7) That leaves one at-large left to claim. All 3 non-champ Ivies will have a shot at it.
8) If Michigan steals the B1G or Nova the Big East, then that last AL is gone.
Quote from: billhowardRight! The Omar Kanjis of the lacrosse world work just as hard as the starters and the stars. If their parents and siblings and girlfriend see them in a game for 5 minutes, it is worth a lot. I think it ripples back to the recruiting candidates about which are the teams you want to play for. And the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.
Not to mention the fact that today's non-starters are tomorrow's starters. Lacrosse is a sport in which hard work and increased understanding pays off with significant player improvement.
Win 1 game and they are in.
Lose 1 game and who knows
G-town/yale/princ/penn are all playing for 2 spots if Cornell wins game 1.
Who ever loses princ/yale is probably out.
Still Cornell losing to Penn is bad.
Probably best if Yale wins the thing if Cornell doesnt.
Quote from: CU77Quote from: BearLoverI'm having a hard time seeing how Cornell could miss the NCAAs at this point. We are 9th in RPI and there are 18 NCAA spots. We had one bad loss the entire season, vs Penn State; the other three losses were by one goal. We blew a lot of teams out. I don't see how the committee could leave Cornell out even if we lose next week.
How many autobids could go to teams who would not get at-large bids?
1) There are 17 slots: 9 autobids and 8 at-large bids.
2) The committee does not care, at all, about margins of victory or defeat.
3) The ACC does not get an autobid (too few teams).
4) From the ACC: ND, Duke, UVa, Cuse are all locks for ALs.
5) 2 B1G teams are locks (whichever of JHU,UMd,PSU do not get the autobid).
6) Georgeton/Denver loser is close to a lock (Denver beat JHU and us, GT beat ND).
7) That leaves one at-large left to claim. All 3 non-champ Ivies will have a shot at it.
8) If Michigan steals the B1G or Nova the Big East, then that last AL is gone.
I think there are 18 slots now, rather than 17.
If the committee doesn't consider margin of victory, then there should be no committee at all. RPI does a way better job of determining who is most deserving than the committee ever could.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CU77Quote from: BearLoverI'm having a hard time seeing how Cornell could miss the NCAAs at this point. We are 9th in RPI and there are 18 NCAA spots. We had one bad loss the entire season, vs Penn State; the other three losses were by one goal. We blew a lot of teams out. I don't see how the committee could leave Cornell out even if we lose next week.
How many autobids could go to teams who would not get at-large bids?
1) There are 17 slots: 9 autobids and 8 at-large bids.
2) The committee does not care, at all, about margins of victory or defeat.
3) The ACC does not get an autobid (too few teams).
4) From the ACC: ND, Duke, UVa, Cuse are all locks for ALs.
5) 2 B1G teams are locks (whichever of JHU,UMd,PSU do not get the autobid).
6) Georgeton/Denver loser is close to a lock (Denver beat JHU and us, GT beat ND).
7) That leaves one at-large left to claim. All 3 non-champ Ivies will have a shot at it.
8) If Michigan steals the B1G or Nova the Big East, then that last AL is gone.
I think there are 18 slots now, rather than 17.
If the committee doesn't consider margin of victory, then there should be no committee at all. RPI does a way better job of determining who is most deserving than the committee ever could.
I believe "margin of victory" is not included in the tournament selection criteria, which is what it's not considered.
Quote from: BearLoverIf the committee doesn't consider margin of victory, then there should be no committee at all. RPI does a way better job of determining who is most deserving than the committee ever could.
The 2024 NCAA tournament bracket diagram (https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-men/d1/2024) shows one early-round bracket, sort of like the basketball play-in or (for a year before they were hooted down) the "first round" which then made it a seven-round tournament.
For 2024 D1 lacrosse, two teams play in that round-before-first round, one team advances into the round of 16, and the loser is the 17th team. Those two teams are described as two autobid teams that have low RPIs. If that is the case, then it is 17 teams, I believe.
This little growth on the bracket in the upper left is the play-in or round-before-first bracket.
Quote from: billhowardAnd the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.
I wonder if we have ever had a guy on the lax team, or really any person on any Cornell team, only because they were rich AF and being groomed as a future money hose.
So, if margin of victory/loss isn't part of the selection committee's criteria, what *is* their criteria? And why in the world would it be preferable to going purely based off of RPI?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardAnd the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.
I wonder if we have ever had a guy on the lax team, or really any person on any Cornell team, only because they were rich AF and being groomed as a future money hose.
Look at recent years to see which guys majored in business and went on to work on Wall Street. Then go back and eliminate the ones who started during their last year as a player. And you'll have a pretty good answer to your question.
Quote from: BearLoverSo, if margin of victory/loss isn't part of the selection committee's criteria, what *is* their criteria? And why in the world would it be preferable to going purely based off of RPI?
Official criteria are pretty goofy (see below), and IMO they are
not preferable to straight RPI. Also the committee usually seems to start with straight RPI anyway and then muck around from there, since the official criteria are essentially incomprehensible.
But it used to be much worse: prior to 2009, "strength of schedule" was officially the
most important criterion, and Cornell was often screwed by that (2007 being particularly egregious, and in fact the impetus for the later change).
DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coaches from all AQ conferences).
https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships#Division%20I
Quote from: CU77DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coaches from all AQ conferences).
https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships#Division%20I[/quoteThat last item, "input from the regional advisory committee," might translate to "wild card factor not subject to hard and fast rules."
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CU77DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coaches from all AQ conferences).
https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships#Division%20I[/quoteThat last item, "input from the regional advisory committee," might translate to "wild card factor not subject to hard and fast rules."
= gut feeling.
... that is, something the committee feels that doesn't track with RPI or WL or other hard stats. It's good that this is one check on criteria bound into the square box of The Ranking Rules. Except that 50 years ago it was that gut feeling that kept Cornell from winning the final polls-not-playoffs of the late 1960s and then in 1971 when it was a playoff, Cornell won.
Quote from: CU77Quote from: BearLoverSo, if margin of victory/loss isn't part of the selection committee's criteria, what *is* their criteria? And why in the world would it be preferable to going purely based off of RPI?
Official criteria are pretty goofy (see below), and IMO they are not preferable to straight RPI. Also the committee usually seems to start with straight RPI anyway and then muck around from there, since the official criteria are essentially incomprehensible. But it used to be much worse: prior to 2009, "strength of schedule" was officially the most important criterion, and Cornell was often screwed by that (2007 being particularly egregious, and in fact the impetus for the later change).
DIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coaches from all AQ conferences).
https://www.ncaa.com/championships/lacrosse-men/d1/road-to-the-championships#Division%20I
These criteria are extremely goofy and frankly unfair. RPI already factors in nearly all of these things. It is a function of SOS and winning percentage. Therefore, for the committee to double-count these criteria (SOS, record against teams of a certain rank, etc.) is totally nonsensical.
Also, let's say Cornell and Penn both play the #1, #30, #31, and #60 teams. Penn beats #1 and #60 and loses to #30 and #31. Cornell's outcomes are the exact opposite. RPI weights these results as equal, as it should. But from the above criteria, the committee would say Penn's record is more impressive, because they had a "significant win" and Cornell had a "significant loss." This is absurd! They played the exact same schedule and both went 2-2.
Balancing these various criteria is
impossible and, as you say, how to weight each criteria is incomprehensible.
I guess I shouldn't take for granted the fact that making the NCAA hockey tournament is totally objective.
Everything I read Cornell wins and they are in
Lose and We are better off with Yale winning game 1 to have a chance to get in.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardAnd the non-stars will support Cornell lax as alumni.
I wonder if we have ever had a guy on the lax team, or really any person on any Cornell team, only because they were rich AF and being groomed as a future money hose.
Look at recent years to see which guys majored in business and went on to work on Wall Street. Then go back and eliminate the ones who started during their last year as a player. And you'll have a pretty good answer to your question.
I don't know as it's that's cold and transactional: You admit my barely competitive kid, we'll be generous. Athletes are competitive and that can extend to their business careers. A lot go to Wall Street, some wind up doing well, some of the some are generous to their alma mater. Others may also provide college internship opportunities that give them a leg up going into the business world. It's not just athletics. The band I believe has out of its way to help band undergrads find internships and jobs. The Daily Sun has tried to help undergrad journalists but there are few riches to be had in that field.
Interesting article about Chayse Ierlan '22 (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/lacrosse/2024/05/09/td-chayse-irelan-teammates-california-redwoods-premiere-lacrosse-league/73613422007/) and his itinerant brother.
Five finalists for the men's and women's Tewaaraton Trophy. A couple weeks ago there was discussion that Notre Dame's Pat Kavanagh and Cornell's seemed the front-runners. The list of finalists out May 9 has Kavanagh but not Kirst.
Kirst had 45G, 22A, 67Pts in 14 games, or 4.8 ppg. He had a reasonable 4-3–7 in the season ending game at Dartmouth but only 0-1-1 in the Ivy tournament loss to Penn. Kirst is listed as a senior but with his 2021 (freshman) season cancelled to Covid, he's only played 3 years for Cornell.
Men's Tewaaraton Finalists
Matt Brandau, Yale
Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame
Brennan O'Neill, Duke
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia
Women's Tewaaraton Finalists
Chase Boyle, Loyola
Ellie Masera, Stony Brook
Izzy Scane, Northwestern
Madison Taylor, Northwestern
Jackie Wolak, Notre Dame
NCAA first round weekend of 5/11/24
[edit add:] Notes on the weekend: All 8 top seeds won. Closest were two Sunday games by margins of 3, Hopkins over Lehigh but game in doubt most of the way, Georgetown over Penn State, Towson led Syracuse 9-8 at the half and it wasn't until the third quarter there was more than a one-goal lead; in the last 20 minutes Towson imploded and/or Syracuse got lucky on every ground ball / loose ball / errant pass. I thought Princeton was on a roll after the ILT weekend but fell apart against the Terps.
Only one Northeast team survives to the quarterfinals, plus midwest Notre Dame and Rocky Mountain Denver. For sure there'll be The South Has Risen stories from secessionist-state newspapers.
All four top seeds won Saturday. The Ivies' only hope, Princeton, got doubled by Maryland, 16-8. Princeton's Coulter Mackesey held to a goal and 2 assists; goalie Michael Gianforcaro was 36% on saves.
[b]Saturday[/b]
St. Joseph's at Virginia [b]Virginia 17-11[/b]
Utah at Duke [b]Duke 19-7[/b]
Michigan at Denver [b]Denver 16-11[/b]
Princeton at Maryland [b]Maryland 16-8[/b]
[b]Sunday[/b]
Lehigh at Hopkins [b]Hopkins 13-10[/b] close most of the way
Penn State at Georgetown [b]Georgetown 12-9[/b]
Albany at Notre Dame [b]ND 14-9[/b]
Towson at Syracuse [b]Syracuse 20, Towson 15[/b] (Towson 9-8, Orange by 8 or 9 in 4th)
[Friday comments:] If Princeton gets past Maryland (Go Tigers), it likely plays Duke. Like Cornell and its 2022 improbable run to the title game against Maryland, Princeton is in the opposite bracket against favorite Notre Dame. The NCAA official bracket (https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-men/d1/2024) may be a little confusing. The upper bracket with 1-seed ND is on the left, not across the top, and the lower bracket with #2 Duke is the right side. On the printable version, it's clearer, with Princeton and Duke et al across the bottom.
Quote from: billhowardFive finalists for the men's and women's Tewaaraton Trophy. A couple weeks ago there was discussion that Notre Dame's Pat Kavanagh and Cornell's seemed the front-runners. The list of finalists out May 9 has Kavanagh but not Kirst.
Have to think, almost getting shutout against Penn, really hurt. He'll be back next year, and that a hopefully healthy Mike Long and a more mature Ryan Goldstein will put him over the top.
Princeton looked awful yesterday vs Maryland
At least in BB in the top leagues a bad final game doesnt knock you out of the playoffs like Lax does
Had the IVY had no tourney Cornell gets in
Much like Mich some how got hot for 2 games won the B10 and got in without being that good most of the year.
Nice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.
But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.
Quote from: BearLoverNice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.
But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.
Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: BearLoverNice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.
But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.
Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.
One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).
Nervous fan on fanlax.com, worried about their well-being attending the Lehigh at Hopkins lax game Sunday. Protesters and all on campus.
Quote from: fanlax.comhttps://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5023&start=20
Post by laxfanatic » Fri May 10, 2024 1:40 pm
Re: #3 Hopkins vs Lehigh Sunday @ noon
I am going to the game on Sunday and according to news reports there are protesters on the JHU campus.
Is there any concern as to where they are or will the prevent or delay me from getting into the stadium?
hopfan16:
No, they are (peacefully) camped out and contained on the Beach, which is nowhere near Homewood Field. You're fine.
Phew. Close one.
Kirst, Long Named Inside Lacrosse All-Americans.
ITHACA, N.Y. -- Senior attackmen CJ Kirst and Michael Long each found a spot on the 2024 Inside Lacrosse Media All-American list. Kirst repeated on the first team, matching his 2023 recognition, and Long earned his first Inside Lacrosse All-American nod as an honorable mention.
Kirst and fellow attackman Long are the only two players in the nation to rank in the top 13 in Division I in points per game and play at the same school. Long finished the season ranked fifth nationally, averaging 5.00 points per game. Long's shot percentage ranked 20th nationally, scoring on .441 percent of his rockets. No. 1 ranks eighth in the Cornell record books in career assists, posting 84 to date.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: IcebergQuote from: BearLoverNice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.
But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.
Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.
One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).
Bearlover only has one drum, and he's going to bang it. Over and over and over again.
Can't wait for the COVID eligibility issue to be in the past, just to see what his new gripe will be for the decade that follows. Smh.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: IcebergQuote from: BearLoverNice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.
But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.
Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.
One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).
Bearlover only has one drum, and he's going to bang it. Over and over and over again.
Can't wait for the COVID eligibility issue to be in the past, just to see what his new gripe will be for the decade that follows. Smh.
That's easy—he'll be all over NIL
Details on the 2024 Inside Lacrosse All-America team. CJ Kirst first team, Michael Long HM. Ivies first team AA: A Matt Brandau, Yale; D Brendan Lavelle, Penn. Penn goalie Emmet Carroll second-team. Former Cornell goalie Chayse Ierlan is HM at Johns Hopkins.
Of interest: Two of the five Tewaaraton finalists (bolded below) are second-team AA.
First Team
A Brennan O'Neill Duke
A Matt Brandau Yale
A CJ Kirst Cornell
M Evan Plunkett Army
M Mikey Weisshaar Towson
M Shane Knobloch Rutgers
FO Will Coletti Army
SSDM Beau Pederson Michigan
SSDM Ben Ramsey Notre Dame
LSM Jake Piseno UAlbany
D Ajax Zappitello Maryland
D Scott Smith Johns Hopkins
D Brendan Lavelle Penn
G Liam Entenmann Notre Dame
Second Team
A Connor Shellenberger Virginia
A Pat Kavanagh Notre Dame
A TJ Malone Penn State
M Jake Stevens Syracuse
M Andrew McAdorey Duke
M Devon McLane Notre Dame
FO Justin WietfeldtMichigan
SSDM Grant Haus Penn State
SSDM Chase Yager Virginia
LSM Stephen Zupicich Villanova
D Kenny Brower Duke
D Cole Kastner Virginia
D Billy Dwan Syracuse
G Emmet Carroll Penn
Third Team
A Joey Spallina Syracuse
A Sam King Harvard
A Chris Kavanagh Notre Dame
M Alexander Vardaro Georgetown
M Griffin Schutz Virginia
M Eric Dobson Notre Dame
FO Alec Stathakis Denver
SSDM Dylan Hess Georgetown
SSDM Brett Martin Johns Hopkins
LSM Will Donovan Notre Dame
D Colby Barsz Towson
D Shawn Lyght Notre Dame
D AJ Pilate Army
D Mason Woodward Marquette
G Jack Fracyon Penn State
Honorable Mention
A Michael Boehm Michigan
A Payton Cormier Virginia
A Louis Perfetto Boston U
A Coulter Mackesy Princeton
A Jacob Angelus Johns Hopkins
A Nick DeMaio Towson
A Garrett Degnon Johns Hopkins
A Michael Long Cornell
A Dalton Young Richmond
A Brayden Mayea High Point
M Matt Collison Johns Hopkins
M Max Krevsky Yale
M Jordan Faison Notre Dame
M Jacob Morin Army
M Michael Leo Syracuse
M Hunter Drouin Colgate
M Chad Palumbo Princeton
M Jake Cates Boston U
M Ryan Donnery Quinnipiac
FO Nathan Laliberte Bryant
FO Mason Kohn Syracuse
FO Will Lynch Notre Dame
FO Luke Wierman Maryland
FO Machado Rodriguez Yale
FO Brady Wambach North Carolina
FO Jake Naso Duke
SSDM Tucker Garrity Jacksonville
SSDM Jackson Peters Navy
SSDM Jack Pilling Richmond
SSDM Reece Potter Towson
SSDM Carter Rice Syracuse
SSDM Aidan Maguire Duke
SSDM Casey Wilson Denver
SSDM Patrick Hackler Yale
LSM Roy Meyer Boston U
LSM Tyler Carpenter Duke
LSM Max Yates Colgate
D Richard Checo Lehigh
D Colin Mulshine Princeton
D Marcus Hudgins Ohio State
D Alex Ross Penn State
D Chris Conlin Notre Dame
D Jackson Bonitz Navy
D Jimmy Freehill Denver
D Ty Banks Georgetown
D Levi Verch Saint Joseph's
D Michael Bath Princeton
D Nikko DiPonio Utah
G Will Mark Syracuse
G Mike Gianforcaro Princeton
G Zach Vigue Richmond
G Chayse Ierlan Johns Hopkins
Quote from: BearLoverOne thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).
One thing to ponder about the 2024 Ivy League Tournament is if we hadn't lost Chayse Ierlan (HM All-America this year) as a grad transfer to Hopkins, we might have won the ILT and been in the NCAAs this year. And if last year we hadn't lost, who was it? must have been someone, to play elsewhere in 2023, we might not have had that embarrassing first round NCAA OT loss to Michigan.
And then in hockey we lost the services of Jack Malone to BC and he winds up playing against Denver in the 2024 NCAA title game, the same Denver we narrowly lost to in the NCAA regionals.
It's always going to be something. We have enough coulda-woulda-shoulda hindsight observations about why Cornell teams were screwed. Covid / fifth-year / grad transfer rules just give us more to complain about.
Here's the thing: everyone here KNOWS about the grad transfer/scholly/NIL/academic index issues that we will face. Complaining about them is like whining about the rain in Seattle. The entire point of rooting for an Ivy is that you do it in the face of these obstacles. We are not going to win very often as a result! What we do in spite of the obstacles is pretty damn impressive.
I don't have any particular attachment to not letting players finish their NCAA eligibility as grad students but I do have an attachment to not being a squad of mercenaries. I know what it costs. I know that there's an element of elite smugness about it. I'm fine with the price.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: IcebergQuote from: BearLoverNice to see Princeton get destroyed in the NCAA tournament.
But it will be nice when COVID eligibility goes away and the Ivies can compete with the Marylands of the world again.
Did you not see any of the 2022 championship game? Nevermind the fact that Cornell was very competitive this season against some of the teams (including the #1 overall) in the NCAA's this weekend. Despite the two bad losses to Penn, I think it's safe to say that Cornell was the best of an underwhelming Ivy League this year and that the gap with some of the better conferences isn't as large as the Grand Canyon.
One thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).
Bearlover only has one drum, and he's going to bang it. Over and over and over again.
Can't wait for the COVID eligibility issue to be in the past, just to see what his new gripe will be for the decade that follows. Smh.
That's easy—he'll be all over NIL
That'd be perfect. For those scoring at home, it's now
scoop85 1 - bearlover....NIL
He'll get shutout every time
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverOne thing to note about the 2022 national championship game is that Cornell probably would have won if Donville hadn't been forced to transfer (to Maryland).
One thing to ponder about the 2024 Ivy League Tournament is if we hadn't lost Chayse Ierlan (HM All-America this year) as a grad transfer to Hopkins, we might have won the ILT and been in the NCAAs this year. And if last year we hadn't lost, who was it? must have been someone, to play elsewhere in 2023, we might not have had that embarrassing first round NCAA OT loss to Michigan.
And then in hockey we lost the services of Jack Malone to BC and he winds up playing against Denver in the 2024 NCAA title game, the same Denver we narrowly lost to in the NCAA regionals.
It's always going to be something. We have enough coulda-woulda-shoulda hindsight observations about why Cornell teams were screwed. Covid / fifth-year / grad transfer rules just give us more to complain about.
If anyone's going to root for an ivy and get emotionally invested in competing for NCAA titles, they need to accept the limitations or be forever miserable.
There is literally zero unfairness at play here whatsoever. That's whiny snowflake cucky beta brat speak for "I didn't get my new toy I wanted" (stomp foot) "but the rich kid down the street always gets the newest PlayStation"
No one is forcing us to be Cornell fans. We all have made that choice. If you want to cheer on a team that's on a "level playing field" there are literally hundreds of other schools to get behind.
Just enjoy the ride. I guarantee that if/when we win another major NCAA title (Lax, or even moreso MIH) it will be so much more impactful and memorable than if you grew up a BC or Denver fan.
Just ask a Cubs or Red Sox fan what the ride was like the year they finally won the world series, and compare to the reaction of a Patriots fan after Super Bowl Trophy # 6, or a Yankee fan from one of those ridiculous runs they went on.
And before you reject that thesis, science will out. Turns out that the pleasure we get from wins or long awaited milestones isn't from the finally achieving the mark. The dopamine rush comes from the *anticipation* of the event, not the event itself.
Nah. The difference between fifth year COVID eligibility and other limitations that have burdened Ivy sports in the past is that this one is new, and it's going away after next year. Cornell has managed to compete with the blue bloods of hockey and lacrosse despite the lack of scholarships and other historical limitations, but this is yet a new significant limitation placed on top of the existing ones. These burdens are cumulative: each additional one hurts us more than the prior baseline.
So yes, the Ivies have been limited in many ways historically, but it's reasonable to infer cause and effect from a *new* restriction that directly benefits our opponents. By the way, I do NOT blame our loss to Penn on this, since they are subject to the same rules. I DO think the COVID fifth year cost us the NCAAs this season, though. Just because there are a bunch of pre-existing rules hurting the Ivies doesn't mean that each additional such rule doesn't hurt us even more.
Also, I just want Cornell to win. I would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year than see them miss the frozen four for the 21st year in a row. When the Cubs won the World Series, that was obviously more meaningful to their fans than the Yankees winning. But this comparison is premised on the Cubs ever winning the World Series in the first place. We have no idea if Cornell is ever again going to win a championship in lacrosse or hockey.
Quote from: upprdeckHad the IVY had no tourney Cornell gets in
Had we beaten Penn -- a team we should have beaten -- we would have been in the tournament.
Quote from: BearLoverI would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year...
i also would take a grad year mercenary if the ivies allowed it! it's the one restriction i can't justify even within the ivy's stated mission/intentions. i was suggesting more that i didn't want the ivies to join in the cutthroat undergrad transfer market (while 100% wanting the students to have the right to move around the rest of the NCAA searching for the best deal).
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverI would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year...
i also would take a grad year mercenary if the ivies allowed it! it's the one restriction i can't justify even within the ivy's stated mission/intentions. i was suggesting more that i didn't want the ivies to join in the cutthroat undergrad transfer market (while 100% wanting the students to have the right to move around the rest of the NCAA searching for the best deal).
I have always been mystified by this rule: what Ivy graduate admissions committee is going to let someone in who is academically unqualified? Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals. The faculty would be hurting itself.
Quote from: Scersk '97Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals.
Not true.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverI would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year...
i also would take a grad year mercenary if the ivies allowed it! it's the one restriction i can't justify even within the ivy's stated mission/intentions. i was suggesting more that i didn't want the ivies to join in the cutthroat undergrad transfer market (while 100% wanting the students to have the right to move around the rest of the NCAA searching for the best deal).
I have always been mystified by this rule: what Ivy graduate admissions committee is going to let someone in who is academically unqualified? Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals. The faculty would be hurting itself.
There's a huge difference between a 1- or 2-year masters degree program and a multi-year, research-oriented PhD program.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals.
Not true.
To which I would say, perhaps hyperbole but sometimes very true.
Quote from: David HardingThere's a huge difference between a 1- or 2-year masters degree program and a multi-year, research-oriented PhD program.
Sure. I could see a b-school playing ball. I still find it unlikely, because it requires heading toward collusion and the professors I know have a difficult time agreeing on which pizza place to order from.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-supreme-court-issues-a-5-4-decision-on-where-to-order-lunch
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Scersk '97Graduate students are professors' serfs or, well-nigh, vampirademic blood meals.
Not true.
To which I would say, perhaps hyperbole but sometimes very true.
There are other words that will work as well as "hyperbole."
I think one player for Cornell who deserves mention is freshman Luke Gilmartin #77. I think he was forced into the short-stick defensive midfield position early due to injuries or lack of depth at that position. Regardless "Gilly" really stepped up this season. He's tough, fast, and has a big motor. His father Robert played for Cornell back in the mid-80's. Defensive mid-fielders don't get a lot of press, but Luke Gilmartin has been a great addition to this program. Go Big Red!!!
Quote from: Local MotionI think one player for Cornell who deserves mention is freshman Luke Gilmartin #77. I think he was forced into the short-stick defensive midfield position early due to injuries or lack of depth at that position. Regardless "Gilly" really stepped up this season. He's tough, fast, and has a big motor. His father Robert played for Cornell back in the mid-80's. Defensive mid-fielders don't get a lot of press, but Luke Gilmartin has been a great addition to this program. Go Big Red!!!
Yes, he was terrific. If he stays at ssdm I think he'll eventually get All American recognition.
Luke Gilmartin scored two goals vs. Penn in the Ivy Tournament. In high school last year he scored 58 goals and 23 assists which are more like attack numbers. I am thinking Cornell may promote Gilly to first team midfield next year rather than SSDM given his ability to play offense too. He is also a very good golfer according to his bio.
On the defensive side Cornell needs to recruit some tough and physical defensemen to shore up that side of the field. That's one of the reasons we lost to Penn twice as they were just more physical than Cornell. Even though we beat Syracuse this season, they are looking good in the NCAA's. One of the traits I have always admired about the Orange is they have great skill players especially on attack, but they field a physical defense as well. The Syracuse head coach Gary Gait had a great career for the Orange and he also played professional box lacrosse, thus bringing physicality back to that program.
Quote from: BearLoverNah. The difference between fifth year COVID eligibility and other limitations that have burdened Ivy sports in the past is that this one is new, and it's going away after next year. Cornell has managed to compete with the blue bloods of hockey and lacrosse despite the lack of scholarships and other historical limitations, but this is yet a new significant limitation placed on top of the existing ones. These burdens are cumulative: each additional one hurts us more than the prior baseline.
So yes, the Ivies have been limited in many ways historically, but it's reasonable to infer cause and effect from a *new* restriction that directly benefits our opponents. By the way, I do NOT blame our loss to Penn on this, since they are subject to the same rules. I DO think the COVID fifth year cost us the NCAAs this season, though. Just because there are a bunch of pre-existing rules hurting the Ivies doesn't mean that each additional such rule doesn't hurt us even more.
Also, I just want Cornell to win. I would much prefer they take "mercenaries" for a grad year than see them miss the frozen four for the 21st year in a row. When the Cubs won the World Series, that was obviously more meaningful to their fans than the Yankees winning. But this comparison is premised on the Cubs ever winning the World Series in the first place. We have no idea if Cornell is ever again going to win a championship in lacrosse or hockey.
Our biggest limitation is that the alums don't consistently wear their lucky shirts. (Also, we would have done better if Pissed Off Touchdown hadn't been axed.)
Quote from: Local MotionLuke Gilmartin scored two goals vs. Penn in the Ivy Tournament. In high school last year he scored 58 goals and 23 assists which are more like attack numbers. I am thinking Cornell may promote Gilly to first team midfield next year rather than SSDM given his ability to play offense too. He is also a very good golfer according to his bio.
On the defensive side Cornell needs to recruit some tough and physical defensemen to shore up that side of the field. That's one of the reasons we lost to Penn twice as they were just more physical than Cornell. Even though we beat Syracuse this season, they are looking good in the NCAA's. One of the traits I have always admired about the Orange is they have great skill players especially on attack, but they field a physical defense as well. The Syracuse head coach Gary Gait had a great career for the Orange and he also played professional box lacrosse, thus bringing physicality back to that program.
Lacrosse is a physical game, and the defense has to play tough, but physicality doesn't win lacrosse games. I was curious to see how Princeton scores so well on the great Penn defense. The answer is that they did a lot of things; Princeton is not one dimensional. As we know, the most physical player on the Penn defense is Lavelle, but he was a non-factor in the championship game. Lavelle guarded Mackesy, but Mackesy didn't sit on the wing and try to beat him one-on-one. That is Lavelle's strength. Instead, Mackesy moved around quite a bit, taking Lavelle away from the action. Mackesy was often more of a distributor and facilitator. Princeton also set some nice ball picks on Lavelle that freed up Mackesy for some shots. When Penn doubled Mackesy, and passed the ball and got it right back to shoot against a single defender. On another double team on the top, he found a cutter to an open area in front of the crease.
As with Cornell, Penn packed in the defense against Princeton. When they did that to us, we spun it around, looking for the perfect shot. Princeton did some of that, but they also attacked the short sticks a lot from the back and wings. They tried skips passes. They hit some great shots on the wings down the alleys with small angles. They tried some ISO on the wings. They dodged well.
Penalties also hurt Penn. Penn coach Mike Murphy was hit with a 2 minute non-releasable. He must have said the magic words. In some cases, Penn was too physical. Lavelle had a major. There was a tripping call. There was a two-minute non-releasable for a cross check to the neck. I counted four Princeton goals from the EMO. The last two or three Princeton goals were open netters.
Princeton had good advantage on faceoffs, but it wasn't dominant. I'm sure they had a GB advantage. They definitely had a massive advantage in shots taken.
There are clearly ways to beat that packed in Penn defense. Princeton has the instructional manual.
Check out Very Rusty explanation on the Laxpower as per Princeton against Penn. Was surprised at the way Princeton looked against Maryland-Tillman and Company really has their number. A couple of shoutouts:
Totally agree with the comments about Gilmartin-the young man is a beast
Also I credit the coaching for their discipline when Kirst was getting roughed up by Penn-no retaliatory hits by the Red. Compare that to the 2023 football which got at least 1personal foul a game.
Actually Gilmartin against Penn leveled a guy that knocked the ball out and set up a quick score by Cornell. Cornell has some exciting rising sophomores going into next season. Cornell has the fire power, but all I am saying is our defense needs to be more physical. Even though Cornell had a great season, we lost the overall season turnover battle 202 to 215. In comparison, Penn dominated the season turnover battle 241 to 213. Again I think our Cornell team was much better than Penn, but their physicality was the prime reason we lost those two games. If Cornell had lost only once to Penn I think we would have been in the NCAA's.
Regardless, the future is bright for Cornell lacrosse and Go Big Red!!!
Quote from: Local MotionActually Gilmartin against Penn leveled a guy that knocked the ball out and set up a quick score by Cornell. Cornell has some exciting rising sophomores going into next season. Cornell has the fire power, but all I am saying is our defense needs to be more physical. Even though Cornell had a great season, we lost the overall season turnover battle 202 to 215. In comparison, Penn dominated the season turnover battle 241 to 213. Again I think our Cornell team was much better than Penn, but their physicality was the prime reason we lost those two games. If Cornell had lost only once to Penn I think we would have been in the NCAA's.
Regardless, the future is bright for Cornell lacrosse and Go Big Red!!!
Again, Penn didn't beat us because they were physical. They beat us because they play great team defense and Cornell (which has better offensive players than Princeton) didn't figure it out. Princeton did and scored +15 in both games against Penn.
If being physical was the key, then any club team would play great defense. They are often composed of ex-football players who like to hit people. (I know this.) Lots of NCAA defensive men are physical, but the reason people like Gavin Adler stand far above them all is stick skills and great technique.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Local MotionActually Gilmartin against Penn leveled a guy that knocked the ball out and set up a quick score by Cornell. Cornell has some exciting rising sophomores going into next season. Cornell has the fire power, but all I am saying is our defense needs to be more physical. Even though Cornell had a great season, we lost the overall season turnover battle 202 to 215. In comparison, Penn dominated the season turnover battle 241 to 213. Again I think our Cornell team was much better than Penn, but their physicality was the prime reason we lost those two games. If Cornell had lost only once to Penn I think we would have been in the NCAA's.
Regardless, the future is bright for Cornell lacrosse and Go Big Red!!!
Again, Penn didn't beat us because they were physical. They beat us because they play great team defense and Cornell (which has better offensive players than Princeton) didn't figure it out. Princeton did and scored +15 in both games against Penn.
If being physical was the key, then any club team would play great defense. They are often composed of ex-football players who like to hit people. (I know this.) Lots of NCAA defensive men are physical, but the reason people like Gavin Adler stand far above them all is stick skills and great technique.
I don't think it's a matter of either/or. Gavin Adler is a generational talent, and if we could have 4-5 defenders like him, we could go undefeated. A team capable of winning the NC needs defenders who are fast, skilled, and able to be physical when necessary.
Quote from: SwampyI don't think it's a matter of either/or. Gavin Adler is a generational talent, and if we could have 4-5 defenders like him, we could go undefeated. A team capable of winning the NC needs defenders who are fast, skilled, and able to be physical when necessary.
It's not an either/or. Defensive poles are already physical. Many are more physical than Adler. I would say Lavelle is one. But they are not as good as he is because they are not as skilled as he is. For the most part, defensive poles are already as physical as they can be without getting penalties.
I think I am reacting (maybe overreacting) to the football coach-speak that "we need to be more physical." Instead, we needed to play better lacrosse. For instance, our defense was much improved toward the end of the year, and it wasn't because we were being more physical. It was because we were playing better team defense.
Quote from: Local MotionRegardless, the future is bright for Cornell lacrosse and Go Big Red!!!
Agree with all you said. At some point when older alumni fans look at lacrosse or hockey, we'd kind of like our present to look bright. Same way you feel as a graduating senior hearing next year looks bright when you've come close the past four. For older alums, there may no longer be enough tomorrows left. Well, hockey came real close to final four, and lacrosse came close to coming close, if not winning the ILT, then winning two of the three Denver Syracuse Notre Dame games and making the NCAAs.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Local MotionRegardless, the future is bright for Cornell lacrosse and Go Big Red!!!
Agree with all you said. At some point when older alumni fans look at lacrosse or hockey, we'd kind of like our present to look bright. Same way you feel as a graduating senior hearing next year looks bright when you've come close the past four. For older alums, there may no longer be enough tomorrows left. Well, hockey came real close to final four, and lacrosse came close to coming close, if not winning the ILT, then winning two of the three Denver Syracuse Notre Dame games and making the NCAAs.
What you say is very true. But it's very frustrating to come so close without winning the last game of the season, time and time again. Nonetheless, given this year's performance and the teams' makeup, we have every reason to believe that next year's hockey & lacrosse teams will be credible contenders for national championships. But in sports there's always uncertainty, associated with injuries, weather, matchups, bonehead plays, and just plain luck. So, at this point, we have all we can reasonably hope for.
Jeff Teat finishes fifth in the Indoor National Lacrosse League voting by Inside Lacrosse. The winner is a goalie. Voting at end of the regular season was by four IL editors/writers on a 5-4-3-2-1 basis; each had 5 ranked picks.
Nick Rose, Toronto Rock, 15 points (1 first-place vote)
Connor Fields, Rochester Knighthawks, 14 points (2 first-place votes)
Dhane Smith, Buffalo Bandits, 12 points (1 first-place vote)
Josh Byrne, Buffalo Bandits, 10 points
Jeff Teat, New York Riptide, 8 points
Jake Withers, Halifax Thunderbirds, 1 point
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/il-indoor-nll-awards-most-valuable-player-nick-rose/63499
NCAA men's lax semifinals Saturday were not close.* The rest of the top ten schools could said We could've gotten this far (as long as we weren't in the Notre Dame-side bracket). Notre Dame's NCAA margins of victory have been 5 (Albany), 5 (Georgetown), 7 (Denver). Title game Monday at 1 pm EDT.
[code]5 Denver 1 3 1 1 -- 6
1 Notre Dame 3 2 4 4 -- 13
7 Maryland 4 3 4 1 -- 12
6 Virginia 1 2 1 2 -- 6
* Nor was Notre Dame-Denver clearly settled until the fourth quarter. All but about 5 minutes of the first half were within one goal, and ND didn't have a four-goal lead until 10 minutes into the second half. Denver's last goal came 90 seconds into the fourth quarter to make it 9-6 ND.
Notre Dame is probably a heavier favorite against Maryland than Maryland was against Cornell in the 2022 game, and that was only a 2-goal victory for the Terps, 9-7. Should Maryland pull and upset, the Baltimore Sun and Washington Post will be writing about the resurrection of Secession-State -- sorry, Southern -- lacrosse.
If I hadn't seen the Maryland team bus in Center City or the various people wearing Maryland or Virginia attire today, I would've had no idea of any of the FF teams. Not much to be invested in this year
I have not heard a single person mention college lacrosse in the state of Virginia this year except me.
USILA coaches All-America team knocks CJ Kirst and Yale's Matt Brandau down to the second team. They were first team on the Inside Lacrosse team. https://www.usalacrosse.com/magazine/college/men/usila-announces-division-i-all-americans-award-winners
A year after Cornell long pole Gavin Adler dominated college lacrosse as a shutdown defender and was first pick in the PLL lacrosse but not named the nation's outstanding player (Tewaaraton), Maryland's Ajax Zappitello won the Enners Award as outstanding player, their version of the Tewaaraton. In his favor, he is from Portland, not the South.
Cornell's Hugh Kelleher was HM at middie. The only Ivy first teamer this year was defender Brendan Lavelle of Penn.
The Tewaaraton winner will be announced Thursday 5/30.
USILA AWARD WINNERS
Lt. Raymond J. Enners Outstanding Player of the Year: Ajax Zappitello, Maryland
Lt. Col. JI Turnbull Outstanding Attackman: Connor Shellenberger, Virginia
Lt. j.g. Donald MacLaughlin Jr. Outstanding Midfielder: Shane Knobloch, Rutgers
William C. Schmeisser Defensive Player of the Year: Jake Piseno, Albany
Ensign C. Markland Kelly Jr. Outstanding Goalie: Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame
USILA ALL-AMERICANS
First Team
A - Connor Shellenberger, Virginia
A - Brennan O'Neill, Duke
A - Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame
M - Shane Knobloch, Rutgers
M - Evan Plunkett, Army
M - Graham Bundy Jr., Georgetown
M - Andrew McAdorey, Duke
SSDM - Ben Ramsey, Notre Dame
SSDM - Beau Pederson, Michigan
SSDM - Dylan Hess, Georgetown
LSM - Jake Piseno, Albany
FO - Will Coletti, Army
D - Ajax Zappitello, Maryland
D - Kenny Brower, Duke
D - Brendan Lavelle, Penn
D - Scott Smith, Johns Hopkins
G - Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame
Second Team
A - CJ Kirst, Cornell
A - Matt Brandau, Yale
A - TJ Malone, Penn State
M - Jake Stevens, Syracuse
M - Mikey Weisshaar, Towson
M - Eric Dobson, Notre Dame
SSDM - Grant Haus, Penn State
SSDM - Aidan Maguire, Duke
SSDM - Chase Yager, Virginia
LSM - Stephen Zupicich, Villanova
LSM - Will Donovan, Notre Dame
FO - Justin Wietfeldt, Michigan
FO - Luke Wierman, Maryland
D - Cole Kastner, Virginia
D - Shawn Lyght, Notre Dame
D - AJ Pilate, Army
G - Emmet Carroll, Penn
G - Jack Fracyon, Penn State
Third Team
A - Payton Cormier, Virginia
A - Joey Spallina, Syracuse
A - Sam King, Harvard
M - Griffin Schutz, Virginia
M - Alexander Vardaro, Georgetown
M - Matt Collison, Johns Hopkins
SSDM - Jackson Peters, Navy
SSDM - Brett Martin, Johns Hopkins
LSM - Tyler Carpenter, Duke
FO - Alec Stathakis, Denver
D - Mason Woodward, Marquette
D - Billy Dwan, Syracuse
D - Jimmy Freehill, Denver
G - Chayse Ierlan, Johns Hopkins
Honorable Mention
A - Louis Perfetto, Boston University
A - Chris Kavanagh, Notre Dame
A - Michael Boehm, Michigan
A - Brayden Mayea, High Point
A - Coulter Mackesy, Princeton
A - Josh Zawada, Duke
A - Jacob Angelus, Johns Hopkins
A - Owen Duffy, North Carolina
A - Ross Scott, Rutgers
A - Dyson Williams, Duke
A - Scott Cole, Lehigh
A - Owen Hiltz, Syracuse
A - Nick DeMaio, Towson
A - Garrett Degnon, Johns Hopkins
A - Jake Taylor, Notre Dame
A - Levi Anderson, Saint Joseph's
A - Ryan Bell, Providence
A - Aidan Carroll, Georgetown
A - Dalton Young, Richmond
M - Devon McLane, Notre Dame
M - Hunter Drouin, Colgate
M - Jacob Morin, Army
M - Mac Costin, Penn State
M - Eric Spanos, Maryland
M - Sam English, Syracuse
M - Hugh Kelleher, Cornell
M - Lance Madonna, Richmond
SSDM - Casey Wilson, Denver
SSDM - Marquez White, Princeton
SSDM - Connor Cmiel, Ohio State
LSM - Roy Meyer, Boston University
LSM - Ben Wayer, Virginia
LSM - AJ Mercurio, Denver
LSM - Max Yates, Colgate
FO - Will Lynch, Notre Dame
FO - Jake Naso, Duke
FO - Machado Rodriguez, Yale
FO - Brady Wambach, North Carolina
FO - Nate Laliberte, Bryant
FO - Mason Kohn, Syracuse
D - Jackson Bonitz, Navy
D - Richard Checo, Lehigh
D - Marcus Hudgins, Ohio State
D - Colin Mulshine, Princeton
D - Ty Banks, Georgetown
D - Colby Barsz, Towson
D - Alex Ross, Penn State
D - Levi Verch, Saint Joseph's
D - Chris Conlin, Notre Dame
D - Patrick Morrison, Boston University
G - Michael Gianforcaro, Princeton
G - Will Mark, Syracuse
G - Anderson Moore, Georgetown
G - Kevin Ellington, Delaware
NCAA 2024 championship: Notre Dame 15, Maryland 5. Notre Dame won its tournament games by 5, 5, 7 and then 10.
Maryland 3 1 1 0 -- 5
Notre Dame 5 5 4 1 -- 15
Only one team beat Notre Dame, Georgetown 11-10 in overtime, next closest was Cornell in that 18-17 neutral field (Bethpage) loss. Syracuse and Virginia lost by 2.
2024 Tewaaraton Award to Pat Kavanagh of national champion Notre Dame, a three-time finalist. Over Notre Dame's teammate Liam Entenmann, Duke's Brennan O'Neill, Virginia's Connor Shellenberger and Yale's Matt Brandau. Cornell's CJ Kirst made the final five last year.
Women's Tewaaraton, Izzy Scane of Northwestern, repeat winner.
All-Izzy Team: Along with Izzy Daniel of Cornell winning the Patty Kazmaier Award in hockey.
Michael Melkonian, who will join the Cornell lacrosse team this fall, won 19 of 21 faceoffs yesterday as South Side (Rockville Centre) rallied past Yorktown yesterday. South Side trailed 7-2 at halftime and came back to win 10-8. Next up is the Class B New York State high school championship game at Hofstra on Saturday. Opponent will be Victor, Chayse Ierlan's old high school.
I know it's only high school, and Angelo Petrakis was highly touted coming out of high school too, but it's hard not to look forward to seeing Melkonian play for Cornell. He's 38 for 41 on faceoffs in the last two games.
Quote from: djk26Michael Melkonian, who will join the Cornell lacrosse team this fall, won 19 of 21 faceoffs yesterday as South Side (Rockville Centre) rallied past Yorktown yesterday. South Side trailed 7-2 at halftime and came back to win 10-8. Next up is the Class B New York State high school championship game at Hofstra on Saturday. Opponent will be Victor, Chayse Ierlan's old high school.
I know it's only high school, and Angelo Petrakis was highly touted coming out of high school too, but it's hard not to look forward to seeing Melkonian play for Cornell. He's 38 for 41 on faceoffs in the last two games.
And Victor has fellow 2024 recruit Jack Herendeen, who had 5 assists in Victor's blowout win over Vestal. Herendeen is a very solid attackman, but he's unlikely to see any real time next year given that the entire attack unit is back. Melkonian, however, looks likely to be in the FOGO rotation with Cascadden and possibly even rising sophomore Sam Ricci (also from Victor).
South Side defeated Victor in overtime yesterday, 12-11, to win the New York State championship. Another comeback for South Side, who trailed 6-3 at halftime. Absolute heartbreaker for Victor as South Side scored the game tying goal wih 0.8 seconds left in regulation and Victor loses the championship game by one goal for the second year in a row.
Michael Melkonian was 131 for 151 (87%) on faceoffs during the playoffs. I couldn't find a box score for the championship game (if anyone knows where there is one, it would be nice to see it) so I don't know how Jack Herendeen did yesterday. But nice to see Cornell with a recruit from each team in the Class B final.
Quote from: djk26South Side defeated Victor in overtime yesterday, 12-11, to win the New York State championship. Another comeback for South Side, who trailed 6-3 at halftime. Absolute heartbreaker for Victor as South Side scored the game tying goal wih 0.8 seconds left in regulation and Victor loses the championship game by one goal for the second year in a row.
Michael Melkonian was 131 for 151 (87%) on faceoffs during the playoffs. I couldn't find a box score for the championship game (if anyone knows where there is one, it would be nice to see it) so I don't know how Jack Herendeen did yesterday. But nice to see Cornell with a recruit from each team in the Class B final.
Quote from: Justin Ritzel, of the Canandaigua Daily Messenger discussing Victor's upcoming semi-final gameSenior attack Jack Herendeen leads Victor in postseason scoring with 18 points.
See "Section V boys lacrosse seeks to end state title drought with four teams in semifinals" (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/2024/06/04/nys-boys-lacrosse-championships-section-v-teams-nysphsaa-tournament-mcquaid-victor-hfl-aquinas/73958512007/)
But it seems too early to find much in the way of stats for the game.
Not sure where else to post this but last night, Jeff Teat tied the PLL season scoring record with 44 points. What makes this particularly noteworthy is that he did it before the All Star break, which is next weekend. To date, his Atlas team is the best in the league, which helps. He has as many assists as goals.
Saw that too! Check out this shot.
https://x.com/PremierLacrosse/status/1809407473838592451
Quote from: mike1960Saw that too! Check out this shot.
https://x.com/PremierLacrosse/status/1809407473838592451
What happened to the defender's stick on that play.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: mike1960Saw that too! Check out this shot.
https://x.com/PremierLacrosse/status/1809407473838592451
What happened to the defender's stick on that play.
Defender lost his stick much earlier [maybe it broke?] but he was one-on-one with Teat behind the net so had no choice but to cover him without a stick. He clearly figured it was worth a penalty to prevent Jeff from scoring, but his tackle was ineffective.
Quote from: dag14Not sure where else to post this but last night, Jeff Teat tied the PLL season scoring record with 44 points. What makes this particularly noteworthy is that he did it before the All Star break, which is next weekend. To date, his Atlas team is the best in the league, which helps. He has as many assists as goals.
Curse you, COVID!
Jeff Teat '21 Sets New PLL Single-Season Point Record. History has been made in the world of professional lacrosse, and a former Big Red athlete once again did it. Jeff Teat '21 has broken the single-season Premier Lacrosse League (PLL) point record with his first assist of the day, just 1:52 into the second quarter of the game against the Boston Cannons. Each subsequent point for the rest of the season will rewrite the record. In addition to the point record, Teat also now owns the PLL assist record, putting up 26 assists through seven games.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2024/7/20/mens-lacrosse-jeff-teat-21-sets-new-pll-single-season-point-record.aspx
Check out the USA Lacrosse magazine website. They have a recap and analysis on their website called Cornell 2024 Rewind.
as good a place as any to drop this one:
Olympic Lacrosse (https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240710-the-indigenous-roots-of-a-revived-olympic-sport)
and I'm completely in support of a team from the Haudenosaunee nation at the Olympics, fwiw.
Quote from: The Rancoras good a place as any to drop this one:
Olympic Lacrosse (https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240710-the-indigenous-roots-of-a-revived-olympic-sport)
and I'm completely in support of a team from the Haudenosaunee nation at the Olympics, fwiw.
That would be very, very cool.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: The Rancoras good a place as any to drop this one:
Olympic Lacrosse (https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240710-the-indigenous-roots-of-a-revived-olympic-sport)
and I'm completely in support of a team from the Haudenosaunee nation at the Olympics, fwiw.
That would be very, very cool.
They already compete as a nation in the World Lacrosse Championships, but I suspect that would be hard sell with the IOC, who tend to use the same national groups for everything, e.g., by having England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland play as Great Britain in soccer. (We'll see how this plays out when cricket becomes an Olympic sport in 2028, since the ICC has England+Wales and Scotland playing separately, and Northern Ireland playing as part of a unified Ireland team, not to mention the West Indies playing as a single team.)
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: The Rancoras good a place as any to drop this one:
Olympic Lacrosse (https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240710-the-indigenous-roots-of-a-revived-olympic-sport)
and I'm completely in support of a team from the Haudenosaunee nation at the Olympics, fwiw.
That would be very, very cool.
They already compete as a nation in the World Lacrosse Championships, but I suspect that would be hard sell with the IOC, who tend to use the same national groups for everything, e.g., by having England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland play as Great Britain in soccer. (We'll see how this plays out when cricket becomes an Olympic sport in 2028, since the ICC has England+Wales and Scotland playing separately, and Northern Ireland playing as part of a unified Ireland team, not to mention the West Indies playing as a single team.)
For team GB, it probably would work the same as it does in Rugby or Soccer/Football, where England, Scotland, and Wales play as separate countries other than in the olympics. And various West Indian countries play as their national teams in the Caribbean T20 tournament, so that precedent is already set.
There might be some intra-nation grievances – "you enslaved our people in 1066 and we will never compete under your flag" – versus the idea of three close-by islands or nations combined having a better chance to reach the podium. Say if Catalonia separated from Spain, would they get Olympic standing?
Interesting question of how high in the medal standings they'd be if California seceded.
Quote from: billhowardThere might be some intra-nation grievances – "you enslaved our people in 1066 and we will never compete under your flag" – versus the idea of three close-by islands or nations combined having a better chance to reach the podium. Say if Catalonia separated from Spain, would they get Olympic standing?
Interesting question of how high in the medal standings they'd be if California seceded.
I suspect not very well. A lot of the athletes go to schools in CA, but they come from someplace else.
For example, none of the swimmers are from California, nor are any of the female gymnasts. I got half-way through the women's rugby team, and only found 2 from California. Many of the Women's soccer team are from the east coast and went to UNC or UVA. And certainly the track athletes come from all over.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: The Rancoras good a place as any to drop this one:
Olympic Lacrosse (https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240710-the-indigenous-roots-of-a-revived-olympic-sport)
and I'm completely in support of a team from the Haudenosaunee nation at the Olympics, fwiw.
That would be very, very cool.
They already compete as a nation in the World Lacrosse Championships, but I suspect that would be hard sell with the IOC, who tend to use the same national groups for everything, e.g., by having England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland play as Great Britain in soccer. (We'll see how this plays out when cricket becomes an Olympic sport in 2028, since the ICC has England+Wales and Scotland playing separately, and Northern Ireland playing as part of a unified Ireland team, not to mention the West Indies playing as a single team.)
For team GB, it probably would work the same as it does in Rugby or Soccer/Football, where England, Scotland, and Wales play as separate countries other than in the olympics. And various West Indian countries play as their national teams in the Caribbean T20 tournament, so that precedent is already set.
Apparently the Olympic field in 2028 will be only six teams, presumably the hosts (USA) plus 5 qualifiers. Considering that the current top five (https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/team-rankings/mens/t20i) are India, Australia, England, West Indies and South Africa, that makes the qualification issue interesting. Does WI get one slot determined by some qualifying process (I thought the CPL was a club tournament like the IPL, Big Bash League, MLC, etc, but it looks like it is tied to countries)? Or is there a qualifying tournament with the top five non-WI teams plus a few countries from the Windies? (Sorry about the thread drift.)
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: The Rancoras good a place as any to drop this one:
Olympic Lacrosse (https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240710-the-indigenous-roots-of-a-revived-olympic-sport)
and I'm completely in support of a team from the Haudenosaunee nation at the Olympics, fwiw.
That would be very, very cool.
They already compete as a nation in the World Lacrosse Championships, but I suspect that would be hard sell with the IOC, who tend to use the same national groups for everything, e.g., by having England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland play as Great Britain in soccer. (We'll see how this plays out when cricket becomes an Olympic sport in 2028, since the ICC has England+Wales and Scotland playing separately, and Northern Ireland playing as part of a unified Ireland team, not to mention the West Indies playing as a single team.)
For team GB, it probably would work the same as it does in Rugby or Soccer/Football, where England, Scotland, and Wales play as separate countries other than in the olympics. And various West Indian countries play as their national teams in the Caribbean T20 tournament, so that precedent is already set.
Apparently the Olympic field in 2028 will be only six teams, presumably the hosts (USA) plus 5 qualifiers. Considering that the current top five (https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/team-rankings/mens/t20i) are India, Australia, England, West Indies and South Africa, that makes the qualification issue interesting. Does WI get one slot determined by some qualifying process (I thought the CPL was a club tournament like the IPL, Big Bash League, MLC, etc, but it looks like it is tied to countries)? Or is there a qualifying tournament with the top five non-WI teams plus a few countries from the Windies? (Sorry about the thread drift.)
Wow. Only 5 teams besides the USA? That eliminates some serious competitors (Pakistan, Sri Lanka, NZ, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh).
I didn't realize that the CPL was a two-stage club tourney. Based on Wiki, there's a six team round robin, then a playoff round with the top 4. But yes, it is tied to countries.