Selection show today at 6:30pm EDT, live on ESPNU.
Also on ESPN+
Quote from: DuncAlso on ESPN+
Are you sure or should I upgrade my cable 4 days earlier than planned.
Edit:
I see it listed so I'll delay the "upgrade".
Quote from: martyQuote from: DuncAlso on ESPN+
Are you sure or should I upgrade my cable 4 days earlier than planned.
I see it listed so I'll delay the "upgrade".
Yep its listed for 6:30 on ESPN+ here is a link:
https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/226cdc7e-d48f-47ea-aef5-0bd686da8b69#bucketId=1
and ESPNU on cable
Fargo:
Minnesota
Canisius
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St. Cloud
Minnesota State
Bridgeport:
Quinnipiac
Merrimack
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Harvard
Ohio State
Manchester:
Denver
Hero
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BU
Western Michigan
Allentown:
Michigan
colgate
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Penn State
Michigan Tech
Manchester
Denver
BU
Western Michigan
Cornell
Per ESPN, We're in the late game (@ 5:30).
99.7% chance of emerging from the region imo
Quote from: ugarte99.7% chance of emerging from the region imo
Wish you were a legal book.
Any word from the ticket office on how to purchase Cornell section seats in Manchester?
will the ticket office app be working this week is the question..
I've never seen a great crowd at a regional. Think we are all safe walking up.
the only reason to buy ahead is of you really want to sit in a certain section.
Quote from: upprdeckthe only reason to buy ahead is of you really want to sit in a certain section.
I'm sure it's not hard "migrating" over to our home section.
its the 2nd game at dinner time.. the loser of game 1 is leaving, the winner most are gonna go celebrate. how many is Denver bringing on a thursday. its at best 1/3 full.
Quote from: upprdeck... its at best 1/3 full.
You're an optimist.
I just went to the Ticket-shafter site. There were a lot fewer seats available than I thought there'd be. I'd estimate 800 or so. And it doesn't look like they're selling the upper bowl.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I went to the Ticket-shafter site about an hour ago. There were a lot fewer seats available than I thought there'd be.
I assume the four schools get an allotment that are held back from general sale for at least a few days.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I went to the Ticket-shafter site about an hour ago. There were a lot fewer seats available than I thought there'd be.
I assume the four schools get an allotment that are held back from general sale for at least a few days.
Probably. It looks like there are whole sections in the lower bowl that are blocked out. In fact, every other section in the lower bowl is shown as "no seats available"
360 miles Ithaca to Manchester NH for the NCAA Regional to play the defending national champ. 300 miles for us coming out of Metro NY (NJ).
Allentown or Bridgeport would've been fine. Manchester is a reach for Cornell fans unless they're well into New England (Westport and Greenwich don't count).
Jeff Schulman, Vermont athletic director and chair of the NCAA hockey committee (the guy on video with dry-cleaning hanging on the wall in the corner of the screen), said in-person attendance played some role in team placement, in which case Cornell might've been in Allentown else Bridgeport.
But we also came a little too close to not being in the tournament at all. So any region is good.
PS 2024 regionals below. Maryland?
• Maryland Heights Regional: Centene Community Ice Center, Maryland Heights, Mo.
• Providence Regional: Dunkin' Donuts Center, Providence, R.I.
• Sioux Falls Regional: Denny Sanford Premier Center, Sioux Falls, S.D.
• Springfield Regional: MassMutual Center, Springfield, Mass.
• Frozen Four: Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, Minn.
they sell seats in blocks, teams are going to get like 1k or whatever and then turn them back in as well..
They really dont want to sell the upperdeck unless demand is shown because then they have to have people to control and work those areas.
it only holds 10k
just to compare the regionals last yr had 3-5k in Mass.
of the #1s denver is the one having the most issues right now.. All you can ask for if you play well.
In the interests of transparency, the NCAA ought (yeah, I know, transparency and NCAA two words apart) to note that some sections are blocked out for school allocations, if you don't see seats available, check back.
And it always feels good to get a second crack at BU, should Cornell and BU prevail Thursday. It's do-able.
Quote from: billhoward360 miles Ithaca to Manchester NH for the NCAA Regional to play the defending national champ. 300 miles for us coming out of Metro NY (NJ).
Allentown or Bridgeport would've been fine. Manchester is a reach for Cornell fans unless they're well into New England (Westport and Greenwich don't count).
Jeff Schulman, Vermont athletic director and chair of the NCAA hockey committee (the guy on video with dry-cleaning hanging on the wall in the corner of the screen), said in-person attendance played some role in team placement, in which case Cornell might've been in Allentown else Bridgeport.
But we also came a little too close to not being in the tournament at all. So any region is good.
PS 2024 regionals below. Maryland?
• Maryland Heights Regional: Centene Community Ice Center, Maryland Heights, Mo.
• Providence Regional: Dunkin' Donuts Center, Providence, R.I.
• Sioux Falls Regional: Denny Sanford Premier Center, Sioux Falls, S.D.
• Springfield Regional: MassMutual Center, Springfield, Mass.
• Frozen Four: Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, Minn.
Fairfield County here. It's a three hour drive to Manchester. I did it as a day trip when they played Lowell up there. It's not hard. Thursday afternoon is a bigger challenge than the location.
Quote from: billhowardPS 2024 regionals below. Maryland?
• Maryland Heights Regional: Centene Community Ice Center, Maryland Heights
Maryland Heights, Missouri. It's a suburb of St.Louis.
The rink is tiny. According to anything I can find, it seats between 4000 and 4500.
Quote from: billhoward360 miles Ithaca to Manchester NH for the NCAA Regional to play the defending national champ. 300 miles for us coming out of Metro NY (NJ).
Allentown or Bridgeport would've been fine. Manchester is a reach for Cornell fans unless they're well into New England (Westport and Greenwich don't count).
Jeff Schulman, Vermont athletic director and chair of the NCAA hockey committee (the guy on video with dry-cleaning hanging on the wall in the corner of the screen), said in-person attendance played some role in team placement, in which case Cornell might've been in Allentown else Bridgeport.
But we also came a little too close to not being in the tournament at all. So any region is good.
PS 2024 regionals below. Maryland?
• Maryland Heights Regional: Centene Community Ice Center, Maryland Heights, Mo.
• Providence Regional: Dunkin' Donuts Center, Providence, R.I.
• Sioux Falls Regional: Denny Sanford Premier Center, Sioux Falls, S.D.
• Springfield Regional: MassMutual Center, Springfield, Mass.
• Frozen Four: Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, Minn.
Who do I have to bribe to get us placed in Sioux Falls?
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: billhoward360 miles Ithaca to Manchester NH for the NCAA Regional to play the defending national champ. 300 miles for us coming out of Metro NY (NJ).
Allentown or Bridgeport would've been fine. Manchester is a reach for Cornell fans unless they're well into New England (Westport and Greenwich don't count).
Jeff Schulman, Vermont athletic director and chair of the NCAA hockey committee (the guy on video with dry-cleaning hanging on the wall in the corner of the screen), said in-person attendance played some role in team placement, in which case Cornell might've been in Allentown else Bridgeport.
But we also came a little too close to not being in the tournament at all. So any region is good.
PS 2024 regionals below. Maryland?
• Maryland Heights Regional: Centene Community Ice Center, Maryland Heights, Mo.
• Providence Regional: Dunkin' Donuts Center, Providence, R.I.
• Sioux Falls Regional: Denny Sanford Premier Center, Sioux Falls, S.D.
• Springfield Regional: MassMutual Center, Springfield, Mass.
• Frozen Four: Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, Minn.
Who do I have to bribe to get us placed in Sioux Falls?
Definitely not the person I bribed to get us placed in Allentown the last five years.
If anybody needs a place to crash we have a queen bed in our toy room in north shore that's up for grabs, it's about 30-40 min to manchester
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: billhoward360 miles Ithaca to Manchester NH for the NCAA Regional to play the defending national champ. 300 miles for us coming out of Metro NY (NJ).
Allentown or Bridgeport would've been fine. Manchester is a reach for Cornell fans unless they're well into New England (Westport and Greenwich don't count).
Jeff Schulman, Vermont athletic director and chair of the NCAA hockey committee (the guy on video with dry-cleaning hanging on the wall in the corner of the screen), said in-person attendance played some role in team placement, in which case Cornell might've been in Allentown else Bridgeport.
But we also came a little too close to not being in the tournament at all. So any region is good.
PS 2024 regionals below. Maryland?
• Maryland Heights Regional: Centene Community Ice Center, Maryland Heights, Mo.
• Providence Regional: Dunkin' Donuts Center, Providence, R.I.
• Sioux Falls Regional: Denny Sanford Premier Center, Sioux Falls, S.D.
• Springfield Regional: MassMutual Center, Springfield, Mass.
• Frozen Four: Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, Minn.
Who do I have to bribe to get us placed in Sioux Falls?
forget that - who do I have to bribe to get us to St. Paul?
Quote from: upprdeckits the 2nd game at dinner time.. the loser of game 1 is leaving, the winner most are gonna go celebrate. how many is Denver bringing on a thursday. its at best 1/3 full.
I still remember the 2005 semifinal in Columbus, when DU and CC brought about 60 fans between them. ::uhoh::
This is it.
Can't be. St. Cloud wins a game
Fun Ian Shane stats:
Last 28 days:
GAA: 0.79
Sv%: .959
Who is going to be up in Manchester for the game on Thursday?
Would be nice to meet / sit with some forum regulars if any there...
Quote from: martyQuote from: DuncAlso on ESPN+
Are you sure or should I upgrade my cable 4 days earlier than planned.
Edit:
I see it listed so I'll delay the "upgrade".
I watched the selection show late last night on demand on ESPN+, and I noticed that all the tournament games, including ours, is listed in the "live & upcoming" section on the ESPN+ app on my Apple TV (and on my app on iPhone). So, it looks like you may not need to upgrade your cable at all. Awesome for those of us on the other side of the country. Those of you within a 6 hour drive of Manchester are still expected to be there live.
Quote from: iceThis is it.
Sorry, I don't see Penn State getting by Michigan Tech.
CHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
There will be a watch party at Lynah on Thursday:
https://cornellbigredtickets.universitytickets.com/w/event.aspx?id=5554
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: iceThis is it.
Sorry, I don't see Penn State getting by Michigan Tech.
Michigan Tech vs Penn State is basically a battle for the soul of college hockey.
Quote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
This is one of those "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" moments.
We're 8th in college hockey in goals per game. We're a very, very, very good offense. We're 2nd in goals allowed per game, which is better than 8th, but we're still 8th in goals. Now, we are at the top of a pretty close pile in the rankings. We put up 3.41 per game, Harvard is 8th at 3.76. Another 0.35 below would put us at a tie with two other teams for 21st.
Regardless, we score a lot! I feel like we've struggled the most the last couple years with defensive-minded physical teams who outwork and outmuscle us in the creases. We skate well with the high-powered teams we've seen (Harvard two of the three games, Q all but one period, BU, UConn).
People keep saying that we're a low-offense all-defense team. The numbers and the eye test don't bear that out.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
Not Michigan or Minnesota level, but looking at Denver's roster on paper, they are loaded. They have 12 draft picks including four second round picks. Their top four scorers from last year's national championship team (each of the four a draft pick) all graduated or signed pro deals, yet they reloaded this season with more elite talent. Only one player in their top seven scorers this season isn't a draft pick: Casey Dornbach, grad transfer from Harvard.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
Not Michigan or Minnesota level, but looking at Denver's roster on paper, they are loaded. They have 12 draft picks including four second round picks. Their top four scorers from last year's national championship team (each of the four a draft pick) all graduated or signed pro deals, yet they reloaded this season with more elite talent. Only one player in their top seven scorers this season isn't a draft pick: Casey Dornbach, grad transfer from Harvard.
You guys aren't giving me fun, happy "We have a real shot at emerging from this Regional" vibes at the moment.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
Not Michigan or Minnesota level, but looking at Denver's roster on paper, they are loaded. They have 12 draft picks including four second round picks. Their top four scorers from last year's national championship team (each of the four a draft pick) all graduated or signed pro deals, yet they reloaded this season with more elite talent. Only one player in their top seven scorers this season isn't a draft pick: Casey Dornbach, grad transfer from Harvard.
You guys aren't giving me fun, happy "We have a real shot at emerging from this Regional" vibes at the moment.
We're 5th in the nation in scoring differential per game.
Of course, our regional has the 3rd, 6th, and 8th best teams.
But someone's gotta do it. Why not us?
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
Not Michigan or Minnesota level, but looking at Denver's roster on paper, they are loaded. They have 12 draft picks including four second round picks. Their top four scorers from last year's national championship team (each of the four a draft pick) all graduated or signed pro deals, yet they reloaded this season with more elite talent. Only one player in their top seven scorers this season isn't a draft pick: Casey Dornbach, grad transfer from Harvard.
You guys aren't giving me fun, happy "We have a real shot at emerging from this Regional" vibes at the moment.
We're 5th in the nation in scoring differential per game.
Of course, our regional has the 3rd, 6th, and 8th best teams.
But someone's gotta do it. Why not us?
It's a hockey game. We have a chance of beating Denver. We are clear underdogs, but we have a chance. Maybe 2:1 odds? If we beat Denver, then the hardest part is over.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
Not Michigan or Minnesota level, but looking at Denver's roster on paper, they are loaded. They have 12 draft picks including four second round picks. Their top four scorers from last year's national championship team (each of the four a draft pick) all graduated or signed pro deals, yet they reloaded this season with more elite talent. Only one player in their top seven scorers this season isn't a draft pick: Casey Dornbach, grad transfer from Harvard.
Denver has 4 2nd Rounders - but as I said, I was talking only about the forwards - and only 2 of those are forwards - one is a freshman who is not a big-time contributor. The other is Tristan Broz, a transfer from Minnesota who is good, but essentially a 3rd liner. Their stud forwards are not of the NHL prospect stud variety. They are however very dangerous. Carter Mazur has one of the best shots in college hockey. Their top scorer is a 7th round pick. Mazur is a 3rd rounder. Jake Devine is a 7th rounder. Dornbach is undrafted. Compare this to Minnesota and Michigan and even BU.
Quote from: BearLoverIt's a hockey game. We have a chance of beating Denver. We are clear underdogs, but we have a chance. Maybe 2:1 odds? If we beat Denver, then the hardest part is over.
That's what I thought in 2009. And 2012 :(
Quote from: adamwQuote from: BeeeejIt's a hockey game. We have a chance of beating Denver. We are clear underdogs, but we have a chance. Maybe 2:1 odds? If we beat Denver, then the hardest part is over.
That's what I thought in 2009. And 2012 :(
Not that I'm worried about it showing up in court proceedings or something, but please don't quote me as having posted someone else's words.
Denver -220
Cornell +180
Those are the current odds.
Quote from: BeeeejNot that I'm worried about it showing up in court proceedings or something, but please don't quote me as having posted someone else's words.
not sure how that happened - fixed my post
It's a single game, anything can happen.
Is there an international feed for the regionals?
We need the PP to get some chances and do some scoring. Our lack of getting penalties is the big issue in all 3 games vs harvard.
Listed as streaming on ESPNNews (not clear to me if this is cable ESPN or works under ESPN+).
If ESPN+ then solution would be ESPN+ subscription or Disney+ bundle that includes ESPN+ and Hulu and then using a VPN.
If ESPN then solution would be Hulu subscription adding 'Live TV' package to get ESPN unless you have ESPN via a cable provider in the US that allows you to log in and stream. Will still need a VPN to show your IP address as in the US.
Being based in China I typically pay for and use a VPN called Astrill as it has the lowest latency/best server flexibility. In other countries a lot of people use ExpressVPN.
Quote from: cu155Listed as streaming on ESPNNews (not clear to me if this is cable ESPN or works under ESPN+).
If ESPN+ then solution would be ESPN+ subscription or Disney+ bundle that includes ESPN+ and Hulu and then using a VPN.
If ESPN then solution would be Hulu subscription adding 'Live TV' package to get ESPN unless you have ESPN via a cable provider in the US that allows you to log in and stream. Will still need a VPN to show your IP address as in the US.
Being based in China I typically pay for and use a VPN called Astrill as it has the lowest latency/best server flexibility. In other countries a lot of people use ExpressVPN.
All games are in ESPN+. No VPN required.
Excellent on ESPN+
Brought up VPN as they were asking for an international feed so was assuming they might be outside of the US. ESPN+ is region locked (or maybe just blocked) at least for China so VPN is the only way to access even when paying for the service.
Quote from: cu155Excellent on ESPN+
Brought up VPN as they were asking for an international feed so was assuming they might be outside of the US. ESPN+ is region locked (or maybe just blocked) at least for China so VPN is the only way to access even when paying for the service.
Yeah, that's why I asked. I happen to be out of the US right now and ESPN+ is blocked. I guess I'll pick one of the VPN's
Quote from: BearLoverIt's a hockey game. We have a chance of beating Denver. We are clear underdogs, but we have a chance. Maybe 2:1 odds? If we beat Denver, then the hardest part is over.
Amen. I wasn't terrifically impressed with Denver when I watched Omaha (currently #18) beat them 3-0 in Denver. The next night Denver won 6-3.
On the other hand, drop the home game against Union from Cornell's record and our goals per game tumbles.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
Not Michigan or Minnesota level, but looking at Denver's roster on paper, they are loaded. They have 12 draft picks including four second round picks. Their top four scorers from last year's national championship team (each of the four a draft pick) all graduated or signed pro deals, yet they reloaded this season with more elite talent. Only one player in their top seven scorers this season isn't a draft pick: Casey Dornbach, grad transfer from Harvard.
You guys aren't giving me fun, happy "We have a real shot at emerging from this Regional" vibes at the moment.
We're 5th in the nation in scoring differential per game.
Of course, our regional has the 3rd, 6th, and 8th best teams.
But someone's gotta do it. Why not us?
Sos though
I still think its interesting that ESPN just doesnt care and lets people use VPN to bypass the restrictions they have in place. Great for people trying to get around the rules I guess.. Too bad the gambling sites are not as lax.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Based on what I've read about its defensive dominance, Denver sounds like what a Schafer team would look like if it had the talent level of Harvard but maintained the current Cornell systems.
Since I see them plenty - this is fairly accurate. 99.7% accurate if you will.
But seriously folks ... Denver rarely has the 1st and 2nd round type of talent that Michigan, Minnesota and even Harvard has. At least not in their forward group. But they have a ton of next-tier talent, and are very solid up and down the lineup in every way. And their coaching staff is fantastic.
This is what makes it a very tough matchup for Cornell. In some ways, a team like Michigan would be easier, since you can play their opposite style and --- possibly --- on a good day, shut them down, while they leave you with chances. I don't expect Denver to make those kinds of mistakes and leave those kinds of openings. I actually give Harvard a ton of credit for what they did in the semis vs. Cornell, because they played in ways they haven't always proven they can do in the past. This is what Denver does regularly, however.
Not Michigan or Minnesota level, but looking at Denver's roster on paper, they are loaded. They have 12 draft picks including four second round picks. Their top four scorers from last year's national championship team (each of the four a draft pick) all graduated or signed pro deals, yet they reloaded this season with more elite talent. Only one player in their top seven scorers this season isn't a draft pick: Casey Dornbach, grad transfer from Harvard.
You guys aren't giving me fun, happy "We have a real shot at emerging from this Regional" vibes at the moment.
We're 5th in the nation in scoring differential per game.
Of course, our regional has the 3rd, 6th, and 8th best teams.
But someone's gotta do it. Why not us?
Sos though
Ours is weakest of the four. But none are THAT great. Kinda looks like strength of schedule this year is through the roof for the big10 and weak for everyone else.
Quote from: LGR14Quote from: cu155Listed as streaming on ESPNNews (not clear to me if this is cable ESPN or works under ESPN+).
If ESPN+ then solution would be ESPN+ subscription or Disney+ bundle that includes ESPN+ and Hulu and then using a VPN.
If ESPN then solution would be Hulu subscription adding 'Live TV' package to get ESPN unless you have ESPN via a cable provider in the US that allows you to log in and stream. Will still need a VPN to show your IP address as in the US.
Being based in China I typically pay for and use a VPN called Astrill as it has the lowest latency/best server flexibility. In other countries a lot of people use ExpressVPN.
All games are in ESPN+. No VPN required.
I was surprised that to upgrade my Spectrum cable I paid $12 per month (so I can record the games). I think it was over $30 last year.
Though I am worried my current package will now be gone as grandfather rights to what I had may be voided when I remove the $12 package.
Does anyone under 70 still have cable?
Unfortunately, it's use a VPN or forgo watching the game. I pay for a subscription to ESPN+ so don't feel too horrible about accessing the platform from outside the US.
I understand using the VPN.. Just surprised ESPN allows it because its clear violation of the contract rights they have to broadcast and its the reason they dont allow it, that VPN is getting around. Its pretty simple for them to not allow it.
More from DU's coach on the matchup from a CHN profile on them (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_To-Manchester,-United.php):
Quote"[Cornell head coach] Mike Schafer has been doing an excellent job for a number of years," Carle said, learning that Schafer was a senior for the Big Red in 1986 the last time the two teams played in the NCAA tourney. "For me, they have good special teams. Their puck pressure game is very good. Neutral zone, I think that's he biggest challenge, how do you get the puck from below your goal line to below their goal line, and get sustained offensive zone pressure. They are very disciplined within their game plan."
It's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
Quote from: adamwIt's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
Spot on. The decline in local journalism is one of the sadder realities of the past 2 decades. Our local paper, now owned by Gannett, is a joke. I subscribe to the digital version, but there's hardly any local news coverage anymore. As for the Sun, it's unfortunate that we don't have almost daily coverage of the major sports.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: adamwIt's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
Spot on. The decline in local journalism is one of the sadder realities of the past 2 decades. Our local paper, now owned by Gannett, is a joke. I subscribe to the digital version, but there's hardly any local news coverage anymore. As for the Sun, it's unfortunate that we don't have almost daily coverage of the major sports.
Anything Gannett is a joke!! In our area (central NY), they take over local newspapers & leave very little local presence of staff. There is almost NO truly reporting happening. They wait for news releases from agencies and print little else. The newspapers are even printed in other cities. I subscribe to the Elmira rag... For quite some time it was printed in Johnson City, NY... That presence has been moved to some unknown (to me) place. An awful state.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: adamwIt's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
Spot on. The decline in local journalism is one of the sadder realities of the past 2 decades. Our local paper, now owned by Gannett, is a joke. I subscribe to the digital version, but there's hardly any local news coverage anymore. As for the Sun, it's unfortunate that we don't have almost daily coverage of the major sports.
An additional problem is that even when a local newspaper does great reporting (eg. North Shore Leader and George Santos), NOBODY NOTICES.
Quote from: adamwIt's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
Are you able to paraphrase what he said? (Maybe it goes against journalistic code to not be providing direct quotes, though.) Thanks.
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: scoop85Quote from: adamwIt's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
Spot on. The decline in local journalism is one of the sadder realities of the past 2 decades. Our local paper, now owned by Gannett, is a joke. I subscribe to the digital version, but there's hardly any local news coverage anymore. As for the Sun, it's unfortunate that we don't have almost daily coverage of the major sports.
An additional problem is that even when a local newspaper does great reporting (eg. North Shore Leader and George Santos), NOBODY NOTICES.
The Ithaca Voice, which usually doesn't do much at all with sports, had a brief preview earlier this week and it was ... not great.
Quote from: adamwIt's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
The Rochester D&C almost never mentions Cornell sports, although they cover Syracuse. They did make an exception for Yianni, from nearby Hilton. I repeatedly emailed them about All-American goalie Lindsey Browning from Penfield, but never a mention!
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The lack of local sports coverage is really what helped the local papers decline,
For so many years you could find stories of local teams/players and often pages of stories..
Now you cant even easily find out if your local HS team wins a game or find a team schedule
I read the Daily Sun's coverage and they had plenty of quotes from Coach Schaefer - in fact that was the only place I found any quotes after the Harvard loss or for today's game, which I hope is not the last one of the year.
Quote from: PghasI read the Daily Sun's coverage and they had plenty of quotes from Coach Schaefer - in fact that was the only place I found any quotes after the Harvard loss or for today's game, which I hope is not the last one of the year.
No story on yesterday's news conference. I know no one from the Sun, Journal (or us) were there.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: adamwIt's too bad the Cornell Sun and Ithaca Journal both have non-existent daily coverage of the hockey team anymore ... because Mike Schafer made a lot of interesting remarks at yesterday's press conference. Unfortunately we weren't able to be there either until today. (it's not just the Sun and IJ, local newspaper coverage is non-existent, student and "pro," all over the country except in scant places these days. It's extremely sad.
Are you able to paraphrase what he said? (Maybe it goes against journalistic code to not be providing direct quotes, though.) Thanks.
Oh it's fine to put the quotes here - I just was rushing before.
QuoteWe went into the Harvard game; they might have some of the best forwards
in the country and we went into that game and we had two different weird games against them. One where it
was kind of up and down the ice, one game where we were on the road and if it was a COVID year we probably would have all tested positive that point in time at Harvard. We knew we had to control the top line if
they had any success. You asked me one thing that I would change is that probably as a coach I made them
too hesitant and fear them too much and respect them too much, which you know over-coached them basically. We shut them down, but we didn't play our game. I think that's a coaching error. In hindsight it's always
great, we had a great game plan, and we followed the game plan, 0-0 game we went into overtime, but we
lost. The loss left a bitter taste because I didn't think we played our kind of hockey; I didn't think we were as
aggressive as we should have been. I didn't think we played with enough pace in the game, we didn't go for
it. You know one thing that I hate is, and that's why I said it was probably a mistake, is that I don't like playing defensive and sitting there and hoping so we will go for it and I think going into the game we will be a lot
more aggressive, a lot more physical in this course of the game and go after it rather than you know just say
above and control them. So hopefully a different kind of game plan
He is spot on. Which sounds stupid for me to say, since I always admit to knowing next to nothing about Xs and Os ... but I mean I had the same exact impression watching the game, so it was interesting to hear these comments from Coach, and kudos to him for saying it. Cornell had a perfect plan to stop Harvard, but you could tell that Mitchell/Malinski/et al were very passive defensively. Unlike common misconceptions about Cornell, they are not known for sitting back. The D pinch a lot, and aggressively. And they didn't even attempt it against Harvard.
Who knows if this will lead to a Cornell win today - obviously you are taking a risk by being more aggressive - but rather go down guns blazing playing your way, than not putting out your best effort. Strategically there's probably a middle ground, and you also have to just trust your players at some point.
Quote from: adamw... but I mean I had the same exact impression watching the game, so it was interesting to hear these comments from Coach, and kudos to him for saying it. Cornell had a perfect plan to stop Harvard, but you could tell that Mitchell/Malinski/et al were very passive defensively. Unlike common misconceptions about Cornell, they are not known for sitting back. The D pinch a lot, and aggressively. And they didn't even attempt it against Harvard.
Exactly the same impression I had during the Harvard game: I was shocked at how passive we were the entire game, with barely any extended possession time in Harvard's zone. Harvard's defensive effort definitely seemed much stronger than in the previous two regular season games, but we seemed totally content to just hang on for dear life at 0-0 and then maybe try to get something going in OT (but we never quite got there). It reminded me of our teams from the early and mid 2010's, where if we had a lead or a tie going into the third, they would go into their defensive "shell" and just make like they were killing penalties for the rest of the game.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: adamw... but I mean I had the same exact impression watching the game, so it was interesting to hear these comments from Coach, and kudos to him for saying it. Cornell had a perfect plan to stop Harvard, but you could tell that Mitchell/Malinski/et al were very passive defensively. Unlike common misconceptions about Cornell, they are not known for sitting back. The D pinch a lot, and aggressively. And they didn't even attempt it against Harvard.
Exactly the same impression I had during the Harvard game: I was shocked at how passive we were the entire game, with barely any extended possession time in Harvard's zone. Harvard's defensive effort definitely seemed much stronger than in the previous two regular season games, but we seemed totally content to just hang on for dear life at 0-0 and then maybe try to get something going in OT (but we never quite got there). It reminded me of our teams from the early and mid 2010's, where if we had a lead or a tie going into the third, they would go into their defensive "shell" and just make like they were killing penalties for the rest of the game.
I agree with the general premise that Cornell was not taking risks on offense and therefore never getting set up in the o-zone to possess and cycle the puck. With that said—while Cornell's chances were extremely limited, they similarly gave up almost zero chances to Harvard. Not only did Harvard have almost no good scoring chances the entire game, but Harvard had almost no sustained possession or pressure either. So I wouldn't say the game looked like our shells from the mid-2010s where we'd be pinned in our zone for long periods of time. Also, we don't know what the counterfactual looks like—if Cornell presses more, maybe Harvard pots an early goal and then Cornell has to take more risks to come from behind and we end up losing 4-1. As it happened, the game turned into a slog and Cornell got a PP at the end to win it. It's not like the game wasn't close. Remember, Harvard is better than us overall, and particularly on the PP and in transition (yes, I know technically Cornell has better PP numbers, but there is no way we are better than Farrell/Coronato/Lafferiere on the PP). So we are at a disadvantage in a "normal" hockey game. Turning it into a defensive slog wasn't clearly wrong to me.
As I say above, notwithstanding the above I agree with you guys and Schafer that Cornell was too tentative overall. But other than D-men jumping into the play a little more (and forwards covering for them), I wouldn't have changed much about the strategy.
Also, to add to the above, remember, Cornell got one PP the whole game. I don't think cutting down on the chances 5x5 and trying to score on the PP was a bad strategy. As it turned out, that didn't work because we only got one PP. The counterargument, which Schafer notes, is that without sustained possession it's hard to draw penalties.
For anyone not watching/following live stats: BU is up 4-1 on WMU at the end of the 2nd. A lot of the big guns for BU are on the board already (Brown, Skoog and both Hutsons).
BU wins 5-1.
Quote from: BeeeejCHN's Manchester Regional preview:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/22_NCAA-Tournament-Manchester.php
Love this part:
Quote"All four teams are going to go in there and think they're going to win this thing," Schafer said. "The pressure is on the one seed. Everyone's expecting them to win. They didn't even mention us on ESPN. They assumed that BU and Denver were going to play the next night."
He's right, we got mentioned in a little more than 3 sentences in the Selection Show. I LOVE BEING OVERLOOKED.
The problem for the QF is that BU has already played us and had to make an amazing comeback. They know us too well and won't be making the same mistakes in the January game. I only hope CU uses any residual anger/frustration about letting that game slip out of our hands.
To set the mood for Minnesota-Canisius:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnRfpcc3LZA
Quote from: jtwcornell91To set the mood for Minnesota-Canisius:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnRfpcc3LZA
I absolutely, never, ever get tired of this.
This (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/21_Alaska-Watched-and-Waited.php) is just, wow:
Quote from: Alaska coach Erik Largen"It's weird just watching all the games. Obviously you're watching the probabilities, and you're dropping every week. Even up to the last day you still feel pretty good with the two games you need to have happen. And good for Coach (Don) Vaughan and Colgate, but unfortunate for us, right? It's kinda one of those things — every time there's a sad story, there's a really good one too. We were just on the short end of it."
I was happy Colgate took that championship away from Harvard, but I was pretty disappointed it didn't work out for Alaska. They were really
quite good when they came to visit last year, and I hope they can keep making a go of it and that, someday soon, we'll finally get another visit to the tournament from our far-flung compatriots to the northwest.
Canisius up 2-1 on an incredibly pretty goal
Quote from: Scersk '97This (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/03/21_Alaska-Watched-and-Waited.php) is just, wow:
Quote from: Alaska coach Erik Largen"It's weird just watching all the games. Obviously you're watching the probabilities, and you're dropping every week. Even up to the last day you still feel pretty good with the two games you need to have happen. And good for Coach (Don) Vaughan and Colgate, but unfortunate for us, right? It's kinda one of those things — every time there's a sad story, there's a really good one too. We were just on the short end of it."
I was happy Colgate took that championship away from Harvard, but I was pretty disappointed it didn't work out for Alaska. They were really quite good when they came to visit last year, and I hope they can keep making a go of it and that, someday soon, we'll finally get another visit to the tournament from our far-flung compatriots to the northwest.
According to CHN's Krach rankings, Alaska had a slightly tougher schedule than we did. They also had a slightly better record.
Quote from: ugarteCanisius up 2-1 on an incredibly pretty goal
All Gophers after that; 9-2 Minnesota, final. They face St. Cloud State on Saturday evening.
Quote from: kingpin248Quote from: ugarteCanisius up 2-1 on an incredibly pretty goal
All Gophers after that; 9-2 Minnesota, final. They face St. Cloud State on Saturday evening.
stopped watching at 3-2. the writing was already on the wall.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeck... its at best 1/3 full.
You're an optimist.
Announced attendance: 3631 / 9852 = 36.8%
Granted, not everyone was in there for each game.
The arena management and local businesses must be thrilled at the results from day 1. Best possible outcome for Saturday attendance. Should easily surpass half-full (true optimism) on Saturday, which is quite an achievement in this era of regionals.
Imagine Western Michigan vs Denver in New Hampshire.
Quote from: iceThis is it.
So far, so good.
The tradition lives on! Despite the adjustment of regional schedules to even out the games, USCHO Cafe goes down on the second day of the NC$$s for the 7th straight year.
Quote from: ugarteFargo:
Minnesota
Canisius
---
St. Cloud
Minnesota State
Bridgeport:
Quinnipiac
Merrimack
---
Harvard
Ohio State
I lived just outside of Cleveland for 26 years, but never rooted for TOSU in anything — until today!
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Quote from: George64Quote from: ugarteFargo:
Minnesota
Canisius
---
St. Cloud
Minnesota State
Bridgeport:
Quinnipiac
Merrimack
---
Harvard
Ohio State
I lived just outside of Cleveland for 26 years, but never rooted for TOSU in anything — until today!
.
I'm rolling with tOSU, Merrimack, and Michigan today! Let's go boys!
Quote from: George64Quote from: ugarteFargo:
Minnesota
Canisius
---
St. Cloud
Minnesota State
Bridgeport:
Quinnipiac
Merrimack
---
Harvard
Ohio State
I lived just outside of Cleveland for 26 years, but never rooted for TOSU in anything — until today!
.
I've never rooted for a bomb to hit Bridgeport before today. (Sorry, Merrimack.)
Quote from: RichHQuote from: George64Quote from: ugarteFargo:
Minnesota
Canisius
---
St. Cloud
Minnesota State
Bridgeport:
Quinnipiac
Merrimack
---
Harvard
Ohio State
I lived just outside of Cleveland for 26 years, but never rooted for TOSU in anything — until today!
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I've never rooted for a bomb to hit Bridgeport before today. (Sorry, Merrimack.)
Right. Sorry, Jim, but I hope Colgate steals another one.
a tradition like no other... harvard already losing in the first round of an interconference tournament
I'm voting straight ticket ECAC, like always. A rising tide.
Quote from: ugartea tradition like no other... harvard already losing in the first round of an interconference tournament
And OSU is dominating and should have had at least another. Now OSU to the PP; Harvard sort of looks like Denver did last night at this point of the game.
I'm cheering against all the teams with football helmet designs on their hockey helmets. ::yark::
Quote from: ugartea tradition like no other... harvard already losing in the first round of an interconference tournament
These are the first Ohio State uniforms I have seen, in any sport, from any era, that did not suck. The only lame part is "Buckeyes" instead of "Ohio State."
The brain buckets are hideous, though.
Quote from: TrotskyI'm voting straight ticket ECAC, like always. A rising tide.
I can get behind this for most ECAC teams. But not Harvard.
And certainly not Dartmouth.
I learned the horrible truth when I was listening to Harvard play the 1989 final against Minnesota right in the heart of their long winning streak against us, and I realize to my horror I was balls out rooting for Harvard out of ECAC solidarity.
The only school I even remotely waiver on is Q because they're conference frauds, but I still pragmatically want to see ECAC teams advance, attract better players, improve SOS, and help Cornell.
Harvard has 2 shots. I've been going back and forth packing for the trip and I didn't see either of them.
Quote from: TrotskyHarvard has 2 shots. I've been going back and forth packing for the trip and I didn't see either of them.
Buckeyes have 2 goals. One of them did go off of Harvard though.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyHarvard has 2 shots. I've been going back and forth packing for the trip and I didn't see either of them.
Buckeyes have 2 goals. One of them did go off of Harvard though.
That period was a complete embarrassment for Harvard. And i don't feel upset about that.
Harvard can go eat a shoe. Go Buckeyes.
Quote from: TrotskyI'm voting straight ticket ECAC, like always. A rising tide.
I would like to win the ECAC tournament for once, sorry. The rising tide doesn't seem to be lifting our boat. I should not be engaging in this debate. Please don't reply to me.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyI'm voting straight ticket ECAC, like always. A rising tide.
I would like to win the ECAC tournament for once, sorry. The rising tide doesn't seem to be lifting our boat. I should not be engaging in this debate. Please don't reply to me.
i only want to point out that we are in the second round of the ncaa tournament after defeating the #4 team in the country even though our team of scrappy walk-ons only recently learned to skate
(more serious point is that we are always at fairly high tide with other teams bobbing around us and sometimes, sadly, floating a bit higher)
Quote from: TrotskyI learned the horrible truth when I was listening to Harvard play the 1989 final against Minnesota right in the heart of their long winning streak against us, and I realize to my horror I was balls out rooting for Harvard out of ECAC solidarity.
The only school I even remotely waiver on is Q because they're conference frauds, but I still pragmatically want to see ECAC teams advance, attract better players, improve SOS, and help Cornell.
I will unabashedly root for Harvard in the NC$$s (unless they're playing another ECAC team), but I will root against Quinnipiac no matter who they're playing.
simply do not have the hate for q that so many do. their success annoys me but so be it.
4-0 four minutes into the 2nd period. Stop the fight!
3-0 Ohio State over the ECAC team that has once again
sorry 4-0 they scored right off the faceoff as i was about to make another joke about Harvard's great recruits
Quote from: scoop854-0 four minutes into the 2nd period. Stop the fight!
This is hilarious
CHN appears to say tOSU scored twice in four seconds.
Quote from: DafatoneCHN appears to say tOSU scored twice in four seconds.
that's correct
What, exactly, is our plan to catch up to the Ohio State University in recruiting?
Quote from: BearLoverWhat, exactly, is our plan to catch up to the Ohio State University in recruiting?
:-}
Quote from: BearLoverWhat, exactly, is our plan to catch up to the Ohio State University in recruiting?
Cornell to the B1G rumor mill revs up again
No mercy rule. Let the bastards suffer.
Quote from: ugarte3-0 Ohio State over the ECAC team that has once again
sorry 4-0 they scored right off the faceoff as i was about to make another joke about Harvard's great recruits
But teh DRAFT PICKS.
So much more talent than anyone because NHL GMs.
Always a joy to see Teddy blowing a gasket after OSU's 5th goal
Even for Harvard, this is so Harvard.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ugarte3-0 Ohio State over the ECAC team that has once again
sorry 4-0 they scored right off the faceoff as i was about to make another joke about Harvard's great recruits
But teh DRAFT PICKS.
So much more talent than anyone because NHL GMs.
Listening to the introductions, several of them are kids of former NHLers (and likely buddies of Teddy D). Whether that makes them truly blue-chippahs is up for debate.
Oh BTW, 5-0 now.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ugarte3-0 Ohio State over the ECAC team that has once again
sorry 4-0 they scored right off the faceoff as i was about to make another joke about Harvard's great recruits
But teh DRAFT PICKS.
So much more talent than anyone because NHL GMs.
Maybe see how our game against BU goes before you start breaking out these posts
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: RichHQuote from: ugarte3-0 Ohio State over the ECAC team that has once again
sorry 4-0 they scored right off the faceoff as i was about to make another joke about Harvard's great recruits
But teh DRAFT PICKS.
So much more talent than anyone because NHL GMs.
Maybe see how our game against BU goes before you start breaking out these posts
no
(5-0)
Any chance Farrell and Coronato sign NHL deals in between the 2nd and 3rd periods?
Quote from: BearLoverAny chance Farrell and Coronato sign NHL deals in between the 2nd and 3rd periods?
Given the score, do you really think they'll get an offer?
They might if Donato was fired.
Somewhere in the eldritch dankness of a cyclopean subterranean maze, Bill Cleary reaches a boney finger towards a button...
hahahahaha oh my god this is so much fun
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/031/858/ourexpectations.jpg)
Quote from: TrotskyThey might if Donato was fired.
Somewhere in the eldritch dankness of a cyclopean subterranean maze, Bill Cleary reaches a boney finger towards a button...
Picturing Dr. Evil in his conference room.
And there's the extra point.
Lucky 7.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82And there's the extra point.
Should have gone for two
Gibson: He hates these cans!
ESPN announcers are as confused as Harvard. First they said Gibson had been pulled, then they said he hadn't. Apparently, he is still in game.
These guys are an embarrassment to the Harvard hockey program...and Harvard hockey sucks.
One nice bonus: turnovers by both Farrell and Coronato directly led to OSU goals
Quote from: dbilmesIt took the ESPN announcers nearly the entire second period to notice that Harvard's backup sieve was in goal.
Is he? They just showed a graphic saying the goalie who's i there has given up 7 goals today.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: dbilmesIt took the ESPN announcers nearly the entire second period to notice that Harvard's backup sieve was in goal.
Is he? They just showed a graphic saying the goalie who's i there has given up 7 goals today.
the guy who made the mistake just became a dad so i forgive him. being underslept is real.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82And there's the extra point.
Should have gone for two
Encroachment, defense. Ohio State elects to go for 2 and scores.
Backup sieve gives up first goal in :57.
So funny I just joked to my son that they switched to football and Ohio state went for the 2.
This game should have its own separate discussion lol
The only thing funnier than Harvard being down 8-0 is Harvard, down 8-0, losing a video review.
harvard commits a penalty, down 7, with 27 seconds remaining. GRIT!
Harvard's only saving grace is getting to avoid being on the losing end of the largest shutout in NCAA tournament history.
Quote from: WillHarvard's only saving grace is getting to avoid being on the losing end of the largest shutout in NCAA tournament history.
their only saving anything
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneCHN appears to say tOSU scored twice in four seconds.
that's correct
Seems impossible.
I will happily root for Colgate or anyone else I. The ECAC and Ivy but Never Harvard and never Q.
My goodness. I fear to think what might have happened if Donato only had 12 or 13 draft picks on the roster....
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneCHN appears to say tOSU scored twice in four seconds.
that's correct
Seems impossible.
They appear to have changed it to six seconds. Which is still ridiculous but slightly more feasible. We scored 4 in what, 54?
"One-and-Done University" rises once again.
How can I be this high on schadenfreude for an entity with no fans?
So have they totally abandoned the West/Midwest/East/Northeast Regional names? Naming the regionals after the cities they're held in seems so basketball.
Quote from: jtwcornell91So have they totally abandoned the West/Midwest/East/Northeast Regional names? Naming the regionals after the cities they're held in seems so basketball.
I have a feeling it's because of the cities they awarded for 2025 - Allentown, Fargo, Toledo and Manchester. How can you credibly call Allentown the the Midwest Regional in 2023 then the East in 2025?
Quote from: DafatoneThey appear to have changed it to six seconds. Which is still ridiculous but slightly more feasible. We scored 4 in what, 54?
The record is 4 seconds -- BU did it against Providence in the 2015 national championship game. They'd like to forget the rest of the game.
Quote from: WillHarvard's only saving grace is getting to avoid being on the losing end of the largest shutout in NCAA tournament history.
Interestingly, Penn State just beat Michigan Tech 8-0, now the largest shutout in NCAA tournament history.
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Quinnipiac is well on its way to beating Merrimack, leading 3-0 with under eight minutes remaining. Even worse, they've looked dominant every time I've looked up to watch. Really have to hope Ohio State can take them out next round.
Looks like Q is gonna get through. They're now up 3-0 on Merrimack with under 7 minutes.
Edit: Timing!
Quote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac is well on its way to beating Merrimack, leading 3-0 with under eight minutes remaining. Even worse, they've looked dominant every time I've looked up to watch. Really have to hope Ohio State can take them out next round.
What was horrible was just listening to the ESPN announcers talking about an "all Big Ten" Frozen Four. These guys don't even have a clue about anything but their big conference bias.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac is well on its way to beating Merrimack, leading 3-0 with under eight minutes remaining. Even worse, they've looked dominant every time I've looked up to watch. Really have to hope Ohio State can take them out next round.
What was horrible was just listening to the ESPN announcers talking about an "all Big Ten" Frozen Four. These guys don't even have a clue about anything but their big conference bias.
To be fair the Big 10 has been lights out so far. We'll see if Colgate can slow down that train.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac is well on its way to beating Merrimack, leading 3-0 with under eight minutes remaining. Even worse, they've looked dominant every time I've looked up to watch. Really have to hope Ohio State can take them out next round.
What was horrible was just listening to the ESPN announcers talking about an "all Big Ten" Frozen Four. These guys don't even have a clue about anything but their big conference bias.
I guess we (or BU) joined the Big Ten?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac is well on its way to beating Merrimack, leading 3-0 with under eight minutes remaining. Even worse, they've looked dominant every time I've looked up to watch. Really have to hope Ohio State can take them out next round.
What was horrible was just listening to the ESPN announcers talking about an "all Big Ten" Frozen Four. These guys don't even have a clue about anything but their big conference bias.
To be fair the Big 10 has been lights out so far. We'll see if Colgate can slow down that train.
Yes, but an all Big 10 Frozen Four is impossible thanks to a couple of schools playing in Manchester. That's more what pissed me off.
With 1 game remaining in the opening round:
Canisius is the only losing team to score more than once.
Say what you want about the Big 10's insular schedule inflating their RPI, but they've all won big. 9-2, 8-1, 8-0. With Michigan-Colgate still coming. It's an impressive statement on this stage.
Just a few years ago, I remember B10 had a miserable season. Too lazy to look it up.
Quote from: RichH"One-and-Done University" rises once again.
How can I be this high on schadenfreude for an entity with no fans?
i was watching from work and quite giddy over the results.very giddy. :)
Is it just me, or has Buccigross been less annoying this year?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac is well on its way to beating Merrimack, leading 3-0 with under eight minutes remaining. Even worse, they've looked dominant every time I've looked up to watch. Really have to hope Ohio State can take them out next round.
What was horrible was just listening to the ESPN announcers talking about an "all Big Ten" Frozen Four. These guys don't even have a clue about anything but their big conference bias.
To be fair the Big 10 has been lights out so far. We'll see if Colgate can slow down that train.
UPDATE: No.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Is it just me, or has Buccigross been less annoying this year?
Agreed, he seems to be toning down his schtick a bit
If I'm watching this game from Alaska I'm steaming mad. (When I posted 5 minutes ago it was 3-0 Michigan. It is now 5-0. That is 5 minutes of linear time not game time.)
Quote from: ugarteIf I'm watching this game from Alaska I'm steaming mad. (When I posted 5 minutes ago it was 3-0 Michigan. It is now 5-0. That is 5 minutes of linear time not game time.)
6-0. check the time of the update on the last post.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteIf I'm watching this game from Alaska I'm steaming mad. (When I posted 5 minutes ago it was 3-0 Michigan. It is now 5-0. That is 5 minutes of linear time not game time.)
6-0. check the time of the update on the last post.
Don Vaughn needed to take his timeout after the 2nd or 3rd Michigan goal, not the 6th. And now it's 7-0, still with a few minutes left in the 2nd period
We dodged a bullet getting Denver instead of Michigan
Quote from: jtwcornell91Is it just me, or has Buccigross been less annoying this year?
He seems a little drunk
Quote from: scoop85We dodged a bullet getting Denver instead of Michigan
We dodged a bullet with no Big 10 schools.
I'm surprised by the # of blowouts. good thing goal differential doesn't matter. except for our game all the others were 4+ (St. Cloud had a 3 goal lead before Minnesota State pulled the goalie).
Quote from: RitaI'm surprised by the # of blowouts. good thing goal differential doesn't matter. except for our game all the others were 4+ (St. Cloud had a 3 goal lead before Minnesota State pulled the goalie).
https://twitter.com/twolinepass/status/1639453356543340544
Quote from: shaferQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteIf I'm watching this game from Alaska I'm steaming mad. (When I posted 5 minutes ago it was 3-0 Michigan. It is now 5-0. That is 5 minutes of linear time not game time.)
6-0. check the time of the update on the last post.
Don Vaughn needed to take his timeout after the 2nd or 3rd Michigan goal, not the 6th. And now it's 7-0, still with a few minutes left in the 2nd period
9 different goal-scorers, currently 11-1. I know our depth is a strength, but wow.
I have a confession to make.
While we were in, I was rooting hard for the rest of the ECAC to advance. Now that we are out, my interest in the rest of the tournament has dropped to exactly zero.
I still hope Q advances and wins, but I don't care.
Quote from: TrotskyI have a confession to make.
While we were in, I was rooting hard for the rest of the ECAC to advance. Now that we are out, my interest in the rest of the tournament has dropped to exactly zero.
I still hope Q advances and wins, but I don't care.
Yeah, I'll watch casually but to me it's all lax season now.
Let's Go Mets!
Quote from: TrotskyLet's Go Mets!
Amen.
Let's go OSU
I guess I'll root for Minnesota. They're the most local team and I have a friend who went there and is super into hockey, though he's more of an NHL fan than a college one.
Shrug. It's baseball season.
Quote from: TrotskyI have a confession to make.
While we were in, I was rooting hard for the rest of the ECAC to advance. Now that we are out, my interest in the rest of the tournament has dropped to exactly zero.
I still hope Q advances and wins, but I don't care.
If the meteor fragments in the atmosphere, can it hit Bridgeport
and Allentown?
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyI have a confession to make.
While we were in, I was rooting hard for the rest of the ECAC to advance. Now that we are out, my interest in the rest of the tournament has dropped to exactly zero.
I still hope Q advances and wins, but I don't care.
If the meteor fragments in the atmosphere, can it hit Bridgeport and Allentown?
Be sparing. Wait for Tampa.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyI have a confession to make.
While we were in, I was rooting hard for the rest of the ECAC to advance. Now that we are out, my interest in the rest of the tournament has dropped to exactly zero.
I still hope Q advances and wins, but I don't care.
If the meteor fragments in the atmosphere, can it hit Bridgeport and Allentown?
Give me some time to get out of town before it hits, OK?
FWIW, I'm rooting against the Big 10. I'm sick of hearing how wonderful they are from the ESPN announcers.
ESPN giving Q cheerleaders camera time and I'm... okay with that.
3-1, Q, 4 mins to go.
Wow, Michigan has zero defensive structure.
Quote from: Scersk '97Wow, Michigan has zero defensive structure.
And 27 frozen four berths
Quote from: shaferQuote from: Scersk '97Wow, Michigan has zero defensive structure.
And 27 frozen four berths
Run n gun > lockdown defense if you want to maximize deep runs in college hockey...
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: shaferQuote from: Scersk '97Wow, Michigan has zero defensive structure.
And 27 frozen four berths
Run n gun > lockdown defense if you want to maximize deep runs in college hockey...
Cornell has as many titles as Michigan since 1965.
Not regionals, but some good news for a NYS neighbor (that is if someone can accept a school other than Cornell finding glory): Hobart won the D3 NCAA hockey championship today, their 1st. They beat defending champ Adrian (MI) 3-2 in OT.
Quote from: RichHNot regionals, but some good news for a NYS neighbor (that is if someone can accept a school other than Cornell finding glory): Hobart won the D3 NCAA hockey championship today, their 1st. They beat defending champ Adrian (MI) 3-2 in OT.
And the head coach is former Cornell assistant Mark Taylor
Quote from: RichHQuote from: abmarksQuote from: shaferQuote from: Scersk '97Wow, Michigan has zero defensive structure.
And 27 frozen four berths
Run n gun > lockdown defense if you want to maximize deep runs in college hockey...
Cornell has as many titles as Michigan since 1965.
Cornell has as many titles as Brown since 1971.
I know, but... it was just hanging there.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: abmarksQuote from: shaferQuote from: Scersk '97Wow, Michigan has zero defensive structure.
And 27 frozen four berths
Run n gun > lockdown defense if you want to maximize deep runs in college hockey...
Cornell has as many titles as Michigan since 1965.
I said deep runs, not championships.
Probably should have said "maximize the number of deep runs". As written you might have taken it to mean maximize an individual deep run."
Number of NC$$ QF appearances, during Schafer tenure (96 - present):
1. 17 North Dakota
17 Michigan
3. 15 BC
4. 12 BU
12 Minnesota
6. 10 Denver
[color=#d61616]7. 9 Cornell[/color]
9 UNH
9 CC
10. 7 Maine
10. 7 Notre Dame
ECAC Teams:
[color=#d61616]9 Cornell[/color]
5 Quinnipiac
4 Clarkson
3 Union
3 Yale
1 St. Lawrence
1 Harvard
Quote from: TrotskyNumber of NC$$ QF appearances, during Schafer tenure (96 - present):
1. 17 North Dakota
17 Michigan
3. 15 BC
4. 12 BU
12 Minnesota
6. 10 Denver
[color=#d61616]7. 9 Cornell[/color]
9 UNH
9 CC
10. 7 Maine
10. 7 Notre Dame
ECAC Teams:
[color=#d61616]9 Cornell[/color]
5 Quinnipiac
4 Clarkson
3 Union
3 Yale
1 St. Lawrence
1 Harvard
What are the numbers for frozen four though? (I don't know)
Quote from: TrotskyNumber of NC$$ QF appearances, during Schafer tenure (96 - present):
1. 17 North Dakota
17 Michigan
3. 15 BC
4. 12 BU
12 Minnesota
6. 10 Denver
[color=#d61616]7. 9 Cornell[/color]
9 UNH
9 CC
10. 7 Maine
10. 7 Notre Dame
ECAC Teams:
[color=#d61616]9 Cornell[/color]
5 Quinnipiac
4 Clarkson
3 Union
3 Yale
1 St. Lawrence
1 Harvard
Yes, Schafer has been successful, but the above is misleading because you just decided to cut it off at the one round that Cornell usually gets to before they lose. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if you measure this by NCAA appearances, we're approximately tied with Harvard. If you measure by frozen fours, we're tied with Harvard and Yale and behind Q and Union. If you measure by national championships, we're behind Yale and Union. As I say, these random schools with no hockey tradition or fans have reached heights we haven't reached in 20+ years, and that's extremely demoralizing in my view.
Frozen Four Appearances by team (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ncaa_F4_Appearances.htm):
Since 1996:
12 BC
11 Michigan
11 North Dakota
7 Minnesota
6 BU
6 Denver
6 Maine
5 Minn-Duluth
ECAC:
3 Quinnipiac
2 Union
1 Cornell
1 St. Lawrence
1 Vermont
1 Yale
1 Harvard
Quote from: TrotskyFrozen Four Appearances by team (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ncaa_F4_Appearances.htm):
Since 1996:
12 BC
11 Michigan
11 North Dakota
7 Minnesota
6 BU
6 Denver
6 Maine
5 Minn-Duluth
ECAC:
3 Quinnipiac
2 Union
1 Cornell
1 St. Lawrence
1 Vermont
1 Yale
1 Harvard
This is cringe
FWIW, Union started its hockey program in 1904, were coached by Ned Harness in the 70s, and reached the NCAA D2 and D3 Frozen Four in the 1980s, before winning the D1 title in 2014.
Quinnipiac... yeah, they did come from nowhere under Pecknold, successfully transitioning from D3 to D1.
Wwhy are we wasting our time with this sniveling whiner?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWwhy are we wasting our time with this sniveling whiner?
Hey, that's not nice. You should be in a better mood this morning—your Bobcats just made it to their third Frozen Four in ten years! *sniffles*
The only thing demoralizing is having to waste time continually reading BearLover's nonsense ... Age, can we get a mute button?
Draft picks in the frozen four:
BU—12 (8 picks in first three rounds, including 1 first round pick)
Michigan—14 (9 picks in first three rounds, including 6 first round picks*)
Minnesota—15** (7 picks in first three rounds, including 3 first round picks)
Quinnipiac—2 (0 picks in first three rounds)
*includes Gavin Brindley and Adam Fantili, both projected to be first round picks (Fantili projected to go second overall)
**includes Luke Mittelstadt, projected to be drafted
Graduate students in the frozen four:
BU—0
Michigan—1
Minnesota—0
Quinnipiac—7
Quote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac—7
tell me again how cornell is supposed to compete with this on an even playing field and why we should pretend that this is anything except the base reality? under the circumstances of our participation - which will not change - Cornell is literally the best case scenario but for puck luck.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac—7
tell me again how cornell is supposed to compete with this on an even playing field and why we should pretend that this is anything except the base reality? under the circumstances of our participation - which will not change - Cornell is literally the best case scenario but for puck luck.
I don't disagree with this at all though
We are so close to not competing that we lost in the regional finals by a goal.
Quote from: upprdeckWe are so close to not competing that we lost in the regional finals by a goal.
And... scene.
I think it's important to remember that we're not entitled to anything.
Cornell has a long and storied history, a really good coach, consistent performance over the last two decades, and a pretty kickass rink and fanbase. But none of that guarantees success. Even our "bad" years, like last season, had us as one of the better teams nationally, just not quite good enough to get an NCAA bid (and not making Lake Placid always hurts).
We can't hand out scholarships. A Cornell degree is obviously a big draw, but let's face it, the other Ivies can say the same thing, and most of the rest of the ECAC offers high quality education. The grad eligibility rules sting. There aren't really many inherent advantages that keep us competitive.
I live near Nebraska. Let me tell you, Nebraska football fans LOVE to yell, "we should be better than this because we're Nebraska!" And they're wrong. There aren't many programs that can make that claim solely based on their brand. I'm not saying we shouldn't be bummed to lose in the ECAC semis and the NCAA regional finals, but overall, we're very lucky that we get to see the consistent success we see.
Granted, I'm yelling at the void here, because even our less-thrilled compatriots seem relatively pleased with how this season shook out. But I've been a fan for 20 years and there's really only been one season that felt like gee, we're kinda bad at this hockey thing, aren't we. That's impressive.
Quote from: DafatoneI've been a fan for 20 years and there's really only been one season that felt like gee, we're kinda bad at this hockey thing, aren't we. That's impressive.
2013 left a scar (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Warmth_ECAC.html).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneI've been a fan for 20 years and there's really only been one season that felt like gee, we're kinda bad at this hockey thing, aren't we. That's impressive.
2013 left a scar (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Warmth_ECAC.html).
I don't know the Xs and Os of it, but after that season, Schafer said we tried something different and we're giving up on it.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneI've been a fan for 20 years and there's really only been one season that felt like gee, we're kinda bad at this hockey thing, aren't we. That's impressive.
2013 left a scar (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Warmth_ECAC.html).
He also said that after 2015, the actual worst season since I've been a fan.
I don't know the Xs and Os of it, but after that season, Schafer said we tried something different and we're giving up on it.
Regionals results by conference:
Big T*n: 6-2 (2 left alive)
ECAC: 3-3 (1 left)
Hockey East:2-1 (1 left)
NCHC: 1-3
CCHA: 0-2
Atlantic H: 0-1
Granted, our numbers are padded by Quinnipiac, but the ECAC ended up with a pretty respectable regionals performance, notwithstanding the Friday Night Massacre.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Regionals results by conference:
Big T*n: 6-2 (2 left alive)
ECAC: 3-3 (1 left)
Hockey East:2-1 (1 left)
NCHC: 1-3
CCHA: 0-2
Atlantic H: 0-1
Granted, our numbers are padded by Quinnipiac, but the ECAC ended up with a pretty respectable regionals performance, notwithstanding the Friday Night Massacre.
I am aware of how the numbers shook out, but it remains weird to me that the ECAC could have one of its weakest years and still get 4 teams in.
Quote from: DafatoneI am aware of how the numbers shook out, but it remains weird to me that the ECAC could have one of its weakest years and still get 4 teams in.
2023 was a weaker year overall for the ECAC but the top three teams deserved to go based on the season's work, and Colgate got in by the expedient of winning the tournament. Quinnipiac and Harvard were top ten teams and had to go. And Cornell was borderline but still good enough to go based on RPI. Cornell and Q showed they belonged based on the round-of-16 games. Harvard had a terrible one-and-done outing and Colgate, like Cinderella, stayed out too late.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuinnipiac—7
tell me again how cornell is supposed to compete with this on an even playing field and why we should pretend that this is anything except the base reality? under the circumstances of our participation - which will not change - Cornell is literally the best case scenario but for puck luck.
I don't disagree with this at all though
So then what's all the caterwauling about? You're better off shouting into a hole than posting what you do on this topic here because at least the hole won't yell back.
We aren't Q because we can't compete in the gutter and we aren't Harvard because we can't compete on brand. Somehow we're still consistently better at recruiting and converting those recruits into players than the *other* schools with bettter brands than us, who probably consider us Q-lite on admissions AND we're consistently better at recruiting and converting the recruits into players than the schools who consider us Harvard-lite. It is kind of a bummer that Yale caught a heater and won the tournament from the 4 seed or that Union did by presaging the rise of Q but goddamn it doesn't
mean anything! It certainly doesn't mean anything that we can do anything about!
Quote from: ugarteIt is kind of a bummer that Yale caught a heater and won the tournament from the 4 seed or that Union did by presaging the rise of Q but goddamn it doesn't mean anything! It certainly doesn't mean anything that we can do anything about!
Always amazes me how short memories are. Al knows way more about this than I do - but I wrote about this topic a bunch of times in that era ... But the Big 3 Ivies had a distinct "scholarship advantage" for a number of years there. Until the other Ivies decided to get together and agree that it was OK to match their non-athletic aid for sports purposes. After that happened, things turned back around pretty quickly for Cornell vis-a-vis Yale.
Quote from: ugarteWe aren't Q because we can't compete in the gutter and we aren't Harvard because we can't compete on brand. Somehow we're still consistently better at recruiting and converting those recruits into players than the *other* schools with bettter brands than us, who probably consider us Q-lite on admissions AND we're consistently better at recruiting and converting the recruits into players than the schools who consider us Harvard-lite. It is kind of a bummer that Yale caught a heater and won the tournament from the 4 seed or that Union did by presaging the rise of Q but goddamn it doesn't mean anything! It certainly doesn't mean anything that we can do anything about!
Concise and comprehensive.
In a just world this would bring the curtain down.
The biggest reason Cornell struggles to recruit is the lack of marginal kids they are allowed to bring in compared to the other ivys
Quote from: upprdeckThe biggest reason Cornell struggles to recruit is the lack of marginal kids they are allowed to bring in compared to the other ivys
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