Oh, sure, what the hell, I'll have another cup of hockey.
Brown sucks this year. I believe they'll finish between 8 and 12 in the ECAC this year, depending on this weekend. The Yann Denis-for-Hobey era was two decades ago. Schafer teams have gone 42-8-6 versus Brown. But Brown did beat Harvard this year. 2 W's this weekend give Cornell the Ivy title outright. Over Harvard.
Quote from: billhowardBrown sucks this year. I believe they'll finish between 8 and 12 in the ECAC this year, depending on this weekend. The Yann Denis-for-Hobey era was two decades ago. Schafer teams have gone 42-8-6 versus Brown. But Brown did beat Harvard this year. 2 W's this weekend give Cornell the Ivy title outright. Over Harvard.
Hasn't Harvard already clinched the Ivy title? They won 5/6 points from Cornell. Their only ivy loss is to Brown.
Three of Harvard's Ivy wins were in OT. Ivy website doesn't have points. Maybe we can tie them with two regulation wins.
If I have this right (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2023.html), and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins (https://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/harvard/mens-hockey/2022-2023/) at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.
But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.
Quote from: TrotskyIf I have this right (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2023.html), and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins (https://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/harvard/mens-hockey/2022-2023/) at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.
But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.
Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyIf I have this right (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2023.html), and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins (https://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/harvard/mens-hockey/2022-2023/) at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.
But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.
Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
Fuck yes, you are right! So we could win it clean. Assuming Idiocy.
Winning 8-2 (0-2) over 9-1 (2-0) would kill this imbecility forever, right?
Right?! :-/
Harvard's weekend preview
QuoteHarvard has a chance to win its 29th Ivy League title this weekend, and will be keeping an eye on Cornell's series at Brown and Yale. Harvard finished Ivy League play at 9-1-1 (24 points), while Cornell sits at 6-2-0 (19 points). Any other result than two regulation wins for the Big Red would give Harvard the Ivy League title.
https://gocrimson.com/news/2023/2/22/no-7-9-mens-ice-hockey-set-for-north-country-pair-in-final-regular-season-weekend.aspx
edit: With 28 titles, Harvard would appear to be taking credit for Ivy titles before the formal creation of the league. Their own record book says 24: https://gocrimson.com/documents/2022/7/12/Men_s_Hockey_Record_Book_Ivy_League_2022.pdf
I get to see tonight whether Meehan is really the mausoleum that people claim it to be
Quote from: nyc94Harvard's weekend preview
QuoteHarvard has a chance to win its 29th Ivy League title this weekend, and will be keeping an eye on Cornell's series at Brown and Yale. Harvard finished Ivy League play at 9-1-1 (24 points), while Cornell sits at 6-2-0 (19 points). Any other result than two regulation wins for the Big Red would give Harvard the Ivy League title.
https://gocrimson.com/news/2023/2/22/no-7-9-mens-ice-hockey-set-for-north-country-pair-in-final-regular-season-weekend.aspx
edit: With 28 titles, Harvard would appear to be taking credit for Ivy titles before the formal creation of the league. Their own record book says 24: https://gocrimson.com/documents/2022/7/12/Men_s_Hockey_Record_Book_Ivy_League_2022.pdf
See Alabama football. They've won 9 and I think they claim 30.
Quote from: IcebergI get to see tonight whether Meehan is really the mausoleum that people claim it to be
It is. Trust us.
It feels like an overturned toilet, in case you never went to the Kingdome.
Quote from: TrotskyIt feels like an overturned toilet, in case you never went to the Kingdome.
Naturally. If it's Brown, flush it down.
Seger gone this weekend; Caron (.924 Sv%) back for Brown after being gone for a month.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: IcebergI get to see tonight whether Meehan is really the mausoleum that people claim it to be
It is. Trust us.
Well, the band is here, so that'll add some life to the place
Last time I was there (2004) it was rug rat central, more overrun with fuck trophies than anywhere but Union.
We're having our way with them but we need to find the net, we've seen how that goes.
4 minutes in, Brown has had the puck on their stick in our end for 3 seconds, from 3:45-3:48.
Brown has not looked good in their zone at all
Quote from: IcebergBrown has not looked good in their zone at all
Our forecheck is beauty so far.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyIf I have this right (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2023.html), and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins (https://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/harvard/mens-hockey/2022-2023/) at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.
But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.
Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
Fuck yes, you are right! So we could win it clean. Assuming Idiocy.
Winning 8-2 (0-2) over 9-1 (2-0) would kill this imbecility forever, right?
Right?! :-/
It wouldn't surprise me if the Ivy League never defined their own points rules in this era.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyIf I have this right (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/ivy_2023.html), and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins (https://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/harvard/mens-hockey/2022-2023/) at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.
But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.
Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
Fuck yes, you are right! So we could win it clean. Assuming Idiocy.
Winning 8-2 (0-2) over 9-1 (2-0) would kill this imbecility forever, right?
Right?! :-/
It wouldn't surprise me if the Ivy League never defined their own points rules in this era.
"If you hafta ask, you can't get in."
Hey, where are My Favorite Homers?
Cornell 1 Brown 0
6:33 1st
period
O'Leary Penney
Quote from: RichHHey, where are My Favorite Homers?
Do they do the ESPN+ broadcast or were they the local yokels back before the Bristol Squid?
Quote from: ERO'Leary Penney
Sidearm has an assist for Kovich too.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHHey, where are My Favorite Homers?
Do they do the ESPN+ broadcast or were they the local yokels back before the Bristol Squid?
I didn't think Brown cared enough. I assumed they just left the press box unlocked, and those drunk uncles were the only ones to try the door each week.
"Literally"?
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHHey, where are My Favorite Homers?
Do they do the ESPN+ broadcast or were they the local yokels back before the Bristol Squid?
I didn't think Brown cared enough. I assumed they just left the press box unlocked, and those drunk uncles were the only ones to try the door each week.
It worked at Appleton.
LOL the hold on Berard in front.
Chandler. Woof.
Was Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision
No it was a possible boarding on Penney.
Quote from: IcebergWas Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision
I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: IcebergWas Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision
I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
It was high up on the body and near the boards and the puck was gone. I can see giving it a shot. As it turns out, we gave them a pp 10 seconds later.
Union finally got a shot midway through the second.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: sah67Quote from: IcebergWas Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision
I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
It was high up on the body and near the boards and the puck was gone. I can see giving it a shot. As it turns out, we gave them a pp 10 seconds later,.
I saw shoulder-to-chest and no contact with the boards, but maybe it looked worse from the Brown bench.
Poor Rego, that's the third really dumb mistake tonight Not having a good night so far.
Quote from: sah67Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: sah67Quote from: IcebergWas Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision
I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
It was high up on the body and near the boards and the puck was gone. I can see giving it a shot. As it turns out, we gave them a pp 10 seconds later,.
I saw shoulder-to-chest and no contact with the boards, but maybe it looked worse from the Brown bench.
I think it was a reach and sometimes reaches get calls nowadays.
Nothing "crisp" about our game halfway through
Literally
Quote from: scoop85Nothing "crisp" about our game halfway through
And neither was the one that Caron just let in. He'd definitely like to have that one back
Brown announcer just spoke Berard's goal into existence.
I can never see the puck with red instead of yellow at the bottom of the boards
Wow, gorgeous final shift here for Bancroft et al.
Potentially forgotten story of this game: Shane's excellent saves when Brown had the momentum still back at 1-0.
Harvard blowing out SLU at Appleton, grumble grumble.
I didn't realize the video review is the Pulp Fiction gesture (https://media.tenor.com/uVeqTBXrbKsAAAAC/pulp-fiction-mia.gif).
The kind of contact on Kovich is what would typically be called a penalty, but a referee was right there and didn't call anything. I've seen less clear stuff than that called for 5
Brown band has a sax player dressed like Wario.
Not sure I've ever seen an entire pp played by the first unit.
Wow, that was a pretty bad no-call (the hit on Max).
Even the Brown announcers were shocked that cross-check to Andreev's face (with the puck also long gone) went unpenalized.
The best revenge...
That was a heck of a move by Wallace. In general the forwards are having a field day with whatever defensive scheme Brown is running, aside from just being quicker overall
Quote from: IcebergThat was a heck of a move by Wallace. In general the forwards are having a field day with whatever defensive scheme Brown is running, aside from just being quicker overall
Mack, I believe. It was definitely a slick dangle.
SOG in the third 16-1.
Two things - it's a big failure on the league's part that there is such confusion over the Ivy League standings - even amongst devoted fans like this page. Amateurish
Caron is a great goalie. Type of goalie a good team could lose in the ECAC quarters 2-1(OT) in game 1 and 1-0 in game 3. Masks a truly awful Brown team
These refs have created a real throwback gongshow feel to this game
I think these announcers have been very entertaining, as well as complimentary toward Cornell.
Final third period SOG, 19-1.
Quote from: nshapiroI think these announcers have been very entertaining, as well as complimentary toward Cornell.
They were quite good. Nice to see the level of announcing improving across the league. We may not even have any middle functioning alcoholics left.
Quote from: CU2007Two things - it's a big failure on the league's part that there is such confusion over the Ivy League standings - even amongst devoted fans like this page. Amateurish
Caron is a great goalie. Type of goalie a good team could lose in the ECAC quarters 2-1(OT) in game 1 and 1-0 in game 3. Masks a truly awful Brown team
Indeed. One could tell it was a frustrating game for him because he was basically doing all he could.
As for the refs, they weren't particularly great. Missed a few things that should've been Brown penalties very early in the game
puzzling how the refs missed that call on the max hit.. but since they missed so many others I guess you can just assume they spent part of the game with their eyes closed.
Like between periods, I watched the Brown women's water polo team on their trip to Australia. Like it must have been a really cool trip. Like they literally saw koalas. Like they were totally cool, the koalas, that is. Like they took a really awesome boat ride, the women, not the koalas. Like it doesn't say much for Brown. Like it was really annoying. Like I finally had to press the mute button.
Yale comes from behind to beat Gate; watch out.
Clearly a dominant performance. Too bad Cornell couldn't get a win last weekend, couldn't hang on another few seconds vs BU. Now they're teetering on the edge despite being a very good team.
yup.. just either of those games last week we we stay pretty close to top 10 in in PWR.. now we need to play well the next 3(hopefully) and see where we are.
Minn st and Ohame losing tonight would help us. omaha down 5-1 and hopefully get swept.
Ivy Standings (https://ivyleague.com/standings.aspx?path=mhockey) from the official site:
Hvd 9-1-0 .900
Cor 7-2-0 .833
Prn 5-5-0 .550
Drt 3-6-1 .350
Yal 2-7-0 .278
Brn 2-7-1 .250
Let's pretend, for a moment, that it is correct (god knows if it is). Let's start with the obvious, Hvd at .900. That means winning in overtime is credited at a full win.
So now we go to Cornell. The ECAC's 3-point system would give us 22/27 = .815 , so that isn't it. How about getting 1 for an overtime loss in a 2-point system? That would be 15/18 = .833. AHA!!!
So let's say the rule is: 2 points for a win in regulation or overtime, 0 for a loss in regulation, 1 for a loss in overtime (thus generating a 3-point game), and no idea for a shootout win or loss.
Results:
Hvd 9-1-0 .900 18/20 .900 (3 OT W)
Cor 7-2-0 .833 15/18 .833 (1 OT L)
Prn 5-5-0 .550 11/20 .550 (1 OT L)
Drt 3-6-1 .350 7/20 .350 (1 SH W)
Yal 2-7-0 .278 5/18 .278 (1 OT L)
Brn 2-7-1 .250 5/20 .250 (1 SH L)
So we know a shootout is just 1 point either way, and the mystery is solved.
The Ivy League point system is:
2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation
Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.
While the absence of red is disappointing this season, if we win tomorrow there will have been just 2 seasons in the last 17 in which we had a better ECAC record (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Warmth_ECAC.html), and just 6 in the last 43 seasons.
Someone recently commented that the home/away weightings aren't severe enough because of how big home ice is.
I think they're too severe. Losing at home is brutal. Minnesota State just tumbled from about .5420 or so to .5365 because they lost to Michigan Tech. Went from #12 to #15 in the pairwise. And Tech is good! They're #11.
The good news is we are now #12.
Quote from: upprdeckyup.. just either of those games last week we we stay pretty close to top 10 in in PWR.. now we need to play well the next 3(hopefully) and see where we are.
Minn St and Omaha losing tonight would help us. Omaha down 5-1 and hopefully get swept.
Minn St. lost and Omaha is down 6-2 with 5 mins left. We're back up to #12.
But we need to keep winning to stay off the bubble.
Quote from: nshapiroI think these announcers have been very entertaining, as well as complimentary toward Cornell.
As is our due, at least in this game.
Did Cornell win a coin-flip and get to be the home band with choice of when they tooted about? Brown band, like Brown fans, almost invisible. Brown hockey players deserve credit for playing in a place that has no atmosphere, no presence. At one end there are windows covered by shades.
But did I hear Meehan now has a beergarden? Just in time for the hundredth anniversary of the beer hall putsch.
Nice game. We dominated. Well, by the third period we did.
On to New Haven.
Yeah, there was a whole area for beer at the end where Shane was located for two periods. The Brown band was passive but there was a decent showing of students in the crowd, although most seemed to be athletes themselves. Meehan would be a good place if it were filled but it's just so spacious that it looks bad if there aren't enough people
Quote from: billhowardJust in time for the hundredth anniversary of the beer hall putsch.
Don't give the dumbfucks any ideas. They already held the beer belly putsch.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: upprdeckyup.. just either of those games last week we we stay pretty close to top 10 in in PWR.. now we need to play well the next 3(hopefully) and see where we are.
Minn St and Omaha losing tonight would help us. Omaha down 5-1 and hopefully get swept.
Minn St. lost and Omaha is down 6-2 with 5 mins left. We're back up to #12.
But we need to keep winning to stay off the bubble.
It's just really tightly bunched between #12 (us at the moment) and #20 Northeastern. There's only a .0060 difference between 12 and 20 in RPI. Northeastern fell from #14 to #20 with a loss tonight. There's not a whole lot of upside, as there's a .0129 difference between #11 and #12. My intuitive math tells me we will likely need to win the next 3 to make the NCAA's if we don't win the ECAC's, with a chance of getting there if we go 4-2 losing in the ECAC finals and things break right in the other tournaments.
Quote from: TrotskyIvy Standings (https://ivyleague.com/standings.aspx?path=mhockey) from the official site:
Hvd 9-1-0 .900
Cor 7-2-0 .833
Prn 5-5-0 .550
Drt 3-6-1 .350
Yal 2-7-0 .278
Brn 2-7-1 .250
Let's pretend, for a moment, that it is correct (god knows if it is). Let's start with the obvious, Hvd at .900. That means winning in overtime is credited at a full win.
So now we go to Cornell. The ECAC's 3-point system would give us 22/27 = .815 , so that isn't it. How about getting 1 for an overtime loss in a 2-point system? That would be 15/18 = .833. AHA!!!
So let's say the rule is: 2 points for a win in regulation or overtime, 0 for a loss in regulation, 1 for a loss in overtime (thus generating a 3-point game), and no idea for a shootout win or loss.
Results:
Hvd 9-1-0 .900 18/20 .900 (3 OT W)
Cor 7-2-0 .833 15/18 .833 (1 OT L)
Prn 5-5-0 .550 11/20 .550 (1 OT L)
Drt 3-6-1 .350 7/20 .350 (1 SH W)
Yal 2-7-0 .278 5/18 .278 (1 OT L)
Brn 2-7-1 .250 5/20 .250 (1 SH L)
So we know a shootout is just 1 point either way, and the mystery is solved.
The Ivy League point system is:
2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation
Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.
From the CornellBigRed article this morning:
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
Quote from: Al DeFlorio"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.
What is "CornellBigRed"?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorio"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.
I learned all I needed to know about the Ivy League website by looking at the 2021-22 standings. They list both "Ivy pct." which matches the method Greg details above, and "Ivy points" which matches the 3-point system the ECAC uses. I don't know which one the Ivies used to determine the champion, as Harvard won it either way, but I do know they're both wrong, as those standings don't account for Cornell's OT win over Brown last year. (Brown's "Ivy pct." should be 0.550 and both should have 16 "Ivy points" )
Also, regarding "Ivy pct", it makes perfect sense that the Ivies would use a "percentage" in which some games count for 2 points and some (OT results) count for 3 -- because it's fucking stupid.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorio"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.
What is "CornellBigRed"?
https://cornellbigred.com/
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorio"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.
What is "CornellBigRed"?
https://cornellbigred.com/
What are the odds they bothered to check with the Ivy League on their assumptions? (I know, what are the odds they would get the same answer if they asked two different between at the League?)
TBRW will officially list Harvard as the winner of the title no matter what because otherwise is stupid.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorio"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.
What is "CornellBigRed"?
https://cornellbigred.com/
What are the odds they bothered to check with the Ivy League on their assumptions? (I know, what are the odds they would get the same answer if they asked two different between at the League?)
TBRW will officially list Harvard as the winner of the title no matter what because otherwise is stupid.
Why would TBRW list Harvard as the winner if Cornell (assuming they win tonight) has more points in the standings, based on how college hockey has calculated points for several years now? If Cornell wins tonight, they had a better record against Ivy opponents and they thus win the Ivy League. 3x3 OT win is worth 2 points, regulation win is worth 3. Makes much more sense than counting 3x3 as equal to 5x5.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyIvy Standings (https://ivyleague.com/standings.aspx?path=mhockey) from the official site:
Hvd 9-1-0 .900
Cor 7-2-0 .833
Prn 5-5-0 .550
Drt 3-6-1 .350
Yal 2-7-0 .278
Brn 2-7-1 .250
Let's pretend, for a moment, that it is correct (god knows if it is). Let's start with the obvious, Hvd at .900. That means winning in overtime is credited at a full win.
So now we go to Cornell. The ECAC's 3-point system would give us 22/27 = .815 , so that isn't it. How about getting 1 for an overtime loss in a 2-point system? That would be 15/18 = .833. AHA!!!
So let's say the rule is: 2 points for a win in regulation or overtime, 0 for a loss in regulation, 1 for a loss in overtime (thus generating a 3-point game), and no idea for a shootout win or loss.
Results:
Hvd 9-1-0 .900 18/20 .900 (3 OT W)
Cor 7-2-0 .833 15/18 .833 (1 OT L)
Prn 5-5-0 .550 11/20 .550 (1 OT L)
Drt 3-6-1 .350 7/20 .350 (1 SH W)
Yal 2-7-0 .278 5/18 .278 (1 OT L)
Brn 2-7-1 .250 5/20 .250 (1 SH L)
So we know a shootout is just 1 point either way, and the mystery is solved.
The Ivy League point system is:
2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation
Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.
From the CornellBigRed article this morning:
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
The Harvard record book has Cornell at 23 titles but is missing 1983. They have Harvard tied for first in 1983 but not who they shared the title with like they do for other years. The Ivy site https://ivyleague.com/sports/2018/7/11/GEN_0711185653.aspx has discrepancies. Looks like it short changes Cornell in 1966, gives Harvard a title in 1959 that their own site gives to Dartmouth and bumps everything up a year until 1967. And it has two identical rows for 1971-72.
No one has started a thread yet for tonight's game at Yale, and I'm reluctant to do so, so I'll post this note here. Yale is playing much better than it was at the beginning of the season, when it was averaging about 1 goal per game. It's won four of its last seven games, including two in a row, scoring 4 goals in each of its last 2 games. It also did something we couldn't do -- avoid losing to Clarkson. This promises to be much tougher than last night's game in Providence.
Quote from: TrotskyThe Ivy League point system is:
2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation
Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.
Apparently not according to tonight's Game Notes — a regulation win is 3 points and an OT or SO win is 2 points. Harvard concluded Ivy play with 24 points and going into tonight's game, we have 22. So a with regulation win, we capture the Ivy title outright, with an OT win we tie.
If so, Harvard's Ivy win percentage would be .800 and, ours, currently, would be .778, so someone's wrong — either the league or our SI department. All the more reason to have five minute sudden death OTs and allow for ties.
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Maybe the Ivy League hasn't announced the point system because there is no point system. We're just supposed to guess.
Quote from: DafatoneMaybe the Ivy League hasn't announced the point system because there is no point system. We're just supposed to guess.
You will know what's in the point system after we pass the point system. The Cantabridgian Council must convene before the announcement is finalized.
Quote from: martyQuote from: DafatoneMaybe the Ivy League hasn't announced the point system because there is no point system. We're just supposed to guess.
You will know what's in the point system after we pass the point system. The Cantabridgian Council must convene before the announcement is finalized.
Won't matter if Cornell doesn't win tonight.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorio"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."
The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.
What is "CornellBigRed"?
https://cornellbigred.com/
What are the odds they bothered to check with the Ivy League on their assumptions? (I know, what are the odds they would get the same answer if they asked two different between at the League?)
TBRW will officially list Harvard as the winner of the title no matter what because otherwise is stupid.
Why would TBRW list Harvard as the winner if Cornell (assuming they win tonight) has more points in the standings, based on how college hockey has calculated points for several years now? If Cornell wins tonight, they had a better record against Ivy opponents and they thus win the Ivy League. 3x3 OT win is worth 2 points, regulation win is worth 3. Makes much more sense than counting 3x3 as equal to 5x5.
As far as I'm concerned, Cornell is 7-1-1 in the Ivies and Harvard is 6-1-3, since 3x3 OT victories are bullshit. So, 15 points vs. 15 points right now. In my made up world, we're already Ivy Champs and can make it outright with a win or a "tie." Harvard only has any claim to the title at the moment because they are the masters of derp points; thus, what Trotsky is proposing is absolutely nonsensical.
But, you know, that's fine. YMMV.
Quote from: BearLoverWhy would TBRW list Harvard as the winner if Cornell (assuming they win tonight) has more points in the standings, based on how college hockey has calculated points for several years now?
Because the three point system is fucking stupid.
But as was noted in a different response, we could just count overtime decisions as ties, since 3x3 sullied overtime. That seems quite reasonable.
In that case, it is Harvard 6-1-3 15 points, Cornell 7-1-1 15 points, going into tonight.
As that is even more of a middle finger to the Creeping Meatballism of TPTB, okay, I am convinced.