[b]CORNELL 2023 [url=https://cornellbigred.com/sports/football/schedule/2023-24]FOOTBALL SCHEDULE[/url][/b]
Sep 16 @Lehigh
Sep 23 @Yale
Sep 30 Colgate 2:00 ([url=https://alumni.cornell.edu/come-back/homecoming/]Cornell homecoming[/url])
Oct 07 @Harvard Friday 7 pm
Oct 14 Bucknell 1 pm
Oct 21 Brown 1 pm
Oct 28 Princeton 1 pm
Nov 04 @Penn 1 pm
Nov 11 @Dartmouth 1:30
Nov 18 Columbia 1 pm
No times formally set even though Cornell has them penciled in, at the least.
Away 3 of the first 4. At home 4 of the last 6. Columbia game happens just a week before the odd-years-since-2007 date for Red Hot Hockey vs. BU at MSG; no problem for the players (different teams) but hard to organize alumni-club events when the two are adjacent.
Cornell's schedule doesn't show any Friday night games. There has been a package of (mostly Friday) night games going back for about a decade, at least, per the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/sports/ncaafootball/ivy-league-embraces-friday-night-football-in-small-doses.html?unlocked_article_code=KnOAqromdbLrnQ58zbdmp6AkCf9O6sPb-DK27IwHHdPhaBVsjtMZjk31nGm1tNV_bHQR6vxzxb_M57hLUW4GMMjrrcQRh_LSGRR074OmoK3b4ss23zuhUdVEV7yaJQg3V8odJt8jBwhBKYM9BZE19jTPs4pdiVjLeYT8BXAkQAo9cLeN4DnnZTXTqPh9BP5dEm_KmkC0VP8neecHFL6qLpVP1fHSFZRkHYJJ9m4HzrTgZvknie5ua7losoNIeHuSYLDA6t4REpynIBc8GBjb_db4DKXBpo8EVXeFjrkMZU8RwUE5qHY2_5bbm3RfGoKbRsuW447w_I1EiTUpb1r2pKoionQSwnKWR6YE6HNJWfrs2P2cuZ4YePBhZmFCgEXxxmDHOnzsE2hCVoaCJ-Y&smid=share-url), which notes the night games get better attendance than afternoon games. Brown and Yale had to put in temporary lights; Harvard got lights in 2007.
I don't get a vote, oddly enough, but it bugs me Homecoming isn't an Ivy game.
Quote from: TrotskyI don't get a vote, oddly enough, but it bugs me Homecoming isn't an Ivy game.
Don't even barely get me started. Athletics would combust if they had to schedule Homecoming as late as October 21, no matter that it's one of the most beautiful times of the year in Ithaca and often finally the appropriate weather for football. No, no—let's schedule Homecoming for when it's still hot and muggy! (And more likely to rain.)
And then there's the rescheduling of Spring Break some years ago... Values, people!
I'm sure Day Hall ran the numbers and mid-September optimizes the curve where they can squeeze money out of befuddled Class of '62s up from Tribeca.
I thought it meant your team came home the week after playing a road game. Or after the longest trip of the year, which in 2023 would make it the final game. If you want it against an Ivy opponent, a) odds are more likely than against a non-Ivy you're gonna lose, and this year that would be Brown Oct. 21 if not the Sept. 30 game that is Homecoming.
At Cornell, you want it before the frost has killed off the vegetables. And when the odds still favor it being warm enough for students unlike some alumni to show off their tanned, still-taut skin with shorts and sleeveless shirts.
It's a Tribal thing, too: Assuming more of the earlier games were at home, Rosh Hashanah, Sept. 15-17, knocks off the Lehigh weekend, which is game one and also away. Yom Kippur starts sundown Sunday of the Yale game, but that game's at Yale. So it's Sept. 30, although it's in the middle of Sukkot.
appreciate all those words bill but what i'd say instead is "what a weird thing to have any opinion about at all"
Thank you. So much politer than you saying, "Just how much time do you have on your hands?"
I do think about the hassle of ending the football season at Columbia then seven days later playing BU in hockey at the Garden in the odd years (2021, 20213, etc.) It's hard to pull together back to back class events and sometimes even classes of the 70s, 80s, 90s, etcetera.
Quote from: billhowardThank you. So much politer than you saying, "Just how much time do you have on your hands?"
I do think about the hassle of ending the football season at Columbia then seven days later playing BU in hockey at the Garden in the odd years (2021, 20213, etc.) It's hard to pull together back to back class events and sometimes even classes of the 70s, 80s, 90s, etcetera.
i mostly liked the columbia game earlier because it was more likely to be a nice day
Quote from: billhowardAt Cornell, you want it before the frost has killed off the vegetables.
Don't exaggerate. Johnson has heat.
Quote from: TrotskyI don't get a vote, oddly enough, but it bugs me Homecoming isn't an Ivy game.
That was my first year. I think it was...Bucknell
I haven't done the research to know if the game will be streaming in the US, but Cornell is sending five players (https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/1/6/football-ivy-league-roster-for-dream-bowl-announced.aspx) to Tokyo to play in the Dream Bowl. The Dream Bowl is an exhibition game between Ivy seniors and grad students vs. the Japan All-Stars (https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/11/30/ivy-league-partners-with-japans-national-football-association-for-dream-bowl-in-tokyo.aspx). The game is on Saturday at 11 EST.
Quote from: ugarteI haven't done the research to know if the game will be streaming in the US, but Cornell is sending five players (https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/1/6/football-ivy-league-roster-for-dream-bowl-announced.aspx) to Tokyo to play in the Dream Bowl. The Dream Bowl is an exhibition game between Ivy seniors and grad students vs. the Japan All-Stars (https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/11/30/ivy-league-partners-with-japans-national-football-association-for-dream-bowl-in-tokyo.aspx). The game is on Saturday at 11 EST.
Cornell has 5 players. Columbia has 15. League champion Yale has 2. There are Yale players boycotting so they don't incur a major injury before the draft?
Quote from: ugarteI haven't done the research to know if the game will be streaming in the US, but Cornell is sending five players (https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/1/6/football-ivy-league-roster-for-dream-bowl-announced.aspx) to Tokyo to play in the Dream Bowl. The Dream Bowl is an exhibition game between Ivy seniors and grad students vs. the Japan All-Stars (https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/11/30/ivy-league-partners-with-japans-national-football-association-for-dream-bowl-in-tokyo.aspx). The game is on Saturday at 11 EST.
clarification: 11pm. but still not streaming so i don't know that it matters unless you were going to check for updates.
Son of Princeton coach Bob Surace – the Princeton football player alum who arrived on scene ~same time as Cornell football player alum David Archer, had similar so-so early years, righted ship, then (divergence from Cornell's path) Ivy titles 2013, 2016, 2018 (10-0), 2021: His quarterback son AJ HS '24, top-20 NJ player as a junior (a big thing, top 20 in NJ), has committed to Rutgers. A Princeton friend says there's more football upside, better NIL money, new Rutgers ass't coach is a friend of Surace père et fils. So that makes Princeton a tad bit easier to beat two falls from now.
Story: https://rutgers.rivals.com/news/2024-new-jersey-qb-aj-surace-commits-to-rutgers-football
Also:
Quote from: NJ.com (paywall)Greg Schiano secures Rutgers' next quarterback of the future: A.J. Surace, son of an Ivy League coach
Greg Schiano [Rutgers coach, second time around] has found his next quarterback of the future, and he's the son of an Ivy League head coach.
A 6-2, 205-pound junior with an accurate arm, timing, leadership qualities and a thickly built lower half [something they wouldn't say about a Rutgers field hockey recruit, Notre Dame high school junior A.J. Surace checks most of the proverbial boxes required to play quarterback. And he will keep his talents home, in New Jersey, the state he knows best. Surace announced his commitment on Twitter on Sunday afternoon.
Don't see a better place to post this and don't remember seeing it elsewhere. Dartmouth coach Buddy Teevens was hit by a pickup while riding his bike and had to have a leg amputated (https://apnews.com/article/darthmouth-buddy-teevens-amputation-3fc98b9323250664eb23a850ab6364c6). Horrible story though the narrative does not make it sound like the driver was primarily at fault.
Quote from: ugarteDon't see a better place to post this and don't remember seeing it elsewhere. Dartmouth coach Buddy Teevens was hit by a pickup while riding his bike and had to have a leg amputated (https://apnews.com/article/darthmouth-buddy-teevens-amputation-3fc98b9323250664eb23a850ab6364c6). Horrible story though the narrative does not make it sound like the driver was primarily at fault.
Horrible indeed. And the spinal cord injury could be worse than the leg amputation. But I want to point out that the narrative from the article does not have enough information to really say who was responsible for the incident. It seems common for a police report to point out circumstances blaming the cyclist and omit those blaming the driver. Comments such as he was "not in a crosswalk or designated crossing area" or "he was not wearing a helmet" (neither is illegal or uncommon in most areas) or "no illuminated lights observed on the bicycle" may be true but may be irrelevant and certainly seem to be a bit biased. Where are the statements about the speed of the pickup truck relative to the speed limit and circumstances? Was there an attempt to avoid the cyclist as evidenced by skid marks or was the driver inattentive? Was the lack of illumination a result of the collision? Was there sufficient lighting anyway? Was it a congested area where the driver should have been driving appropriately slowly?
Not trying to pick on what you said and you are probably right. But it seems like standard operating procedure to try to excuse a driver of an automobile of any responsibility as a default.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: ugarteDon't see a better place to post this and don't remember seeing it elsewhere. Dartmouth coach Buddy Teevens was hit by a pickup while riding his bike and had to have a leg amputated (https://apnews.com/article/darthmouth-buddy-teevens-amputation-3fc98b9323250664eb23a850ab6364c6). Horrible story though the narrative does not make it sound like the driver was primarily at fault.
Horrible indeed. And the spinal cord injury could be worse than the leg amputation. But I want to point out that the narrative from the article does not have enough information to really say who was responsible for the incident. It seems common for a police report to point out circumstances blaming the cyclist and omit those blaming the driver. Comments such as he was "not in a crosswalk or designated crossing area" or "he was not wearing a helmet" (neither is illegal or uncommon in most areas) or "no illuminated lights observed on the bicycle" may be true but may be irrelevant and certainly seem to be a bit biased. Where are the statements about the speed of the pickup truck relative to the speed limit and circumstances? Was there an attempt to avoid the cyclist as evidenced by skid marks or was the driver inattentive? Was the lack of illumination a result of the collision? Was there sufficient lighting anyway? Was it a congested area where the driver should have been driving appropriately slowly?
Not trying to pick on what you said and you are probably right. But it seems like standard operating procedure to try to excuse a driver of an automobile of any responsibility as a default.
completely agreed on all of this
Police reports always cite multiple causes of crash and injuries: excessive speed, weather, condition of vehicle, seat belts worn, worn tires, cloudy headlamp covers, alcohol, drugs. Allows safety experts to say half of all fatalities are drug / alcohol-related, lets somebody else say badly maintained highways/signage are a causal factor.
Some now-dead driver who blows a 0.09% BAC is legally drunk but was it was also raining, his headlamps weren't very good, it was an unfamiliar road with a sharp curve, the lanes were not well marked (Florida paints lanes like every 6 months, some states might do them every 5 years), the sign indicating sharp curve ahead had weathered and should have been replaced, and he was doing 65 on a 55 local highway. And he was unbelted. I'd say with all these causal factors, it was not being drunk that led to the accident and lack of a safety belt that killed him.
Too bad about Teevens getting hit while biking. Had a work friend, avid cyclist, killed by a car twenty years ago. Note the news story says there was no light observed on the bicycle and he wasn't in a crosswalk, that is, pointing to multiple factors. The AP also wasn't able to get a crash report (public document) out of the Florida Highway Patrol.
I looked at the Athletic Department's giving page today - with a week left in the fiscal year, football is at 52 percent of its funding goal! Compare that to women's ice hockey (100%), wrestling (99%), sprint football (155%), rowing (98%) . . . Apparently, people are trying to send a message to AD Moore through their wallets!
Quote from: George64I looked at the Athletic Department's giving page today - with a week left in the fiscal year, football is at 52 percent of its funding goal! Compare that to women's ice hockey (100%), wrestling (99%), sprint football (155%), rowing (98%) . . . Apparently, people are trying to send a message to AD Moore through their wallets!
The Big Red are entering their 10th season under head coach David Archer, who has a 26-64 overall record at the school (17-45 Ivy League). Enough said...
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64I looked at the Athletic Department's giving page today - with a week left in the fiscal year, football is at 52 percent of its funding goal! Compare that to women's ice hockey (100%), wrestling (99%), sprint football (155%), rowing (98%) . . . Apparently, people are trying to send a message to AD Moore through their wallets!
The Big Red are entering their 10th season under head coach David Archer, who has a 26-64 overall record at the school (17-45 Ivy League). Enough said...
Ouch.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64I looked at the Athletic Department's giving page today - with a week left in the fiscal year, football is at 52 percent of its funding goal! Compare that to women's ice hockey (100%), wrestling (99%), sprint football (155%), rowing (98%) . . . Apparently, people are trying to send a message to AD Moore through their wallets!
The Big Red are entering their 10th season under head coach David Archer, who has a 26-64 overall record at the school (17-45 Ivy League). Enough said...
Ouch.
Is there anyway that we could easily know if Archer has the record for the worst Ivy win percentage over 9 seasons? Maybe some poor sap at Columbia might have him beat.
Quote from: martyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64I looked at the Athletic Department's giving page today - with a week left in the fiscal year, football is at 52 percent of its funding goal! Compare that to women's ice hockey (100%), wrestling (99%), sprint football (155%), rowing (98%) . . . Apparently, people are trying to send a message to AD Moore through their wallets!
The Big Red are entering their 10th season under head coach David Archer, who has a 26-64 overall record at the school (17-45 Ivy League). Enough said...
Ouch.
Is there anyway that we could easily know if Archer has the record for the worst Ivy win percentage over 9 seasons? Maybe some poor sap at Columbia might have him beat.
Brown was the doormat in the 1960s. Looks worse than Archer over any choice of nine year sample from 1959 to 1972.
https://ivyleague.com/documents/2022/9/15/2022_FB_Record_Book.pdf
edit: The longest Brown kept the same head coach in that span was eight years. John McLaughry 17–51–3 (.261) overall, 8–46–2 (.161) Ivy (1959-1966)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brown_Bears_football_seasons
Archer .289 overall, .270 Ivy
Aldo Donelli, Columbia, 11 seasons (1957-1967) - 30–67–2 (.313) overall, 21–54–2 (.286) Ivy
Ray Tellier, Columbia 14 seasons (1989-2002) - 42–96–2 (.307) overall, 28-70 (.286) Ivy
Quote from: martyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64I looked at the Athletic Department's giving page today - with a week left in the fiscal year, football is at 52 percent of its funding goal! Compare that to women's ice hockey (100%), wrestling (99%), sprint football (155%), rowing (98%) . . . Apparently, people are trying to send a message to AD Moore through their wallets!
The Big Red are entering their 10th season under head coach David Archer, who has a 26-64 overall record at the school (17-45 Ivy League). Enough said...
Ouch.
Is there anyway that we could easily know if Archer has the record for the worst Ivy win percentage over 9 seasons? Maybe some poor sap at Columbia might have him beat.
No Ivy League head coach has led his team this long with such an overall losing record. If the new AD doesn't make a change after this season, unless Cornell finishes with a winning record, something is seriously wrong.
perhaps money is driving this bus
Quote from: upprdeckperhaps money is driving this bus
The bus seems to be powered by an 80's era GM 8-6-4 V8 that Andy tried to convert to a diesel.
Quote from: martyQuote from: upprdeckperhaps money is driving this bus
The bus seems to be powered by an 80's era GM 8-6-4 V8 that Andy tried to convert to a diesel.
I think he sold the V8 and tried to replace it with a straight 6.
This press release (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/8/7/football-chosen-seventh-in-preseason-ivy-league-media-poll.aspx) sums up the expectations for the Archer years. As long as we finish higher in the standings than was predicted, the season will be a success. If Cornell finishes in 6th place in the Ivies, we can consider it another successful season! Our opening Ivy opponent, Yale, received 13 of 16 first-place votes.
"The Big Red football team will be in position to prove the experts wrong - again.
Cornell was picked to finish seventh in the 2023 Ivy League Football Preseason Media Poll that was announced today. The Big Red will kick off the new campaign with its sights set on having a much bigger impact on the league standings when it visits Lehigh on Saturday, Sept. 16 at 2 p.m. in Bethlehem, Pa. Cornell opens Ivy League play the following weekend at Yale, then opens its home season on Saturday, Sept. 30 against Colgate at Schoellkopf Field for Homecoming.
The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in seven of the past eight seasons, including in 2022 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth."
Quote from: dbilmesThis press release (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/8/7/football-chosen-seventh-in-preseason-ivy-league-media-poll.aspx) sums up the expectations for the Archer years. As long as we finish higher in the standings than was predicted, the season will be a success. If Cornell finishes in 6th place in the Ivies, we can consider it another successful season! Our opening Ivy opponent, Yale, received 13 of 16 first-place votes.
"The Big Red football team will be in position to prove the experts wrong - again.
Cornell was picked to finish seventh in the 2023 Ivy League Football Preseason Media Poll that was announced today. The Big Red will kick off the new campaign with its sights set on having a much bigger impact on the league standings when it visits Lehigh on Saturday, Sept. 16 at 2 p.m. in Bethlehem, Pa. Cornell opens Ivy League play the following weekend at Yale, then opens its home season on Saturday, Sept. 30 against Colgate at Schoellkopf Field for Homecoming.
The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in seven of the past eight seasons, including in 2022 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth."
Our home game against Brown will be critical!
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Lehigh website has the Cornell kickoff at noon (not 2:00).
Quote from: CASLehigh website has the Cornell kickoff at noon (not 2:00).
Hey, if the team arrives late, it will have a good excuse for losing.
Quote from: CASLehigh website has the Cornell kickoff at noon (not 2:00).
So does the Cornell website.
Quote from: dbilmesThis press release (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/8/7/football-chosen-seventh-in-preseason-ivy-league-media-poll.aspx) sums up the expectations for the Archer years. As long as we finish higher in the standings than was predicted, the season will be a success. If Cornell finishes in 6th place in the Ivies, we can consider it another successful season! Our opening Ivy opponent, Yale, received 13 of 16 first-place votes.
"The Big Red football team will be in position to prove the experts wrong - again.
Cornell was picked to finish seventh in the 2023 Ivy League Football Preseason Media Poll that was announced today. The Big Red will kick off the new campaign with its sights set on having a much bigger impact on the league standings when it visits Lehigh on Saturday, Sept. 16 at 2 p.m. in Bethlehem, Pa. Cornell opens Ivy League play the following weekend at Yale, then opens its home season on Saturday, Sept. 30 against Colgate at Schoellkopf Field for Homecoming.
The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in seven of the past eight seasons, including in 2022 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth."
Cornell spin doctors have to work overtime to put a positive spin on Cornell's predicted season finish. (Hopefully Archer's last!)
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: dbilmesThis press release (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/8/7/football-chosen-seventh-in-preseason-ivy-league-media-poll.aspx) sums up the expectations for the Archer years. As long as we finish higher in the standings than was predicted, the season will be a success. If Cornell finishes in 6th place in the Ivies, we can consider it another successful season! Our opening Ivy opponent, Yale, received 13 of 16 first-place votes.
"The Big Red football team will be in position to prove the experts wrong - again.
Cornell was picked to finish seventh in the 2023 Ivy League Football Preseason Media Poll that was announced today. The Big Red will kick off the new campaign with its sights set on having a much bigger impact on the league standings when it visits Lehigh on Saturday, Sept. 16 at 2 p.m. in Bethlehem, Pa. Cornell opens Ivy League play the following weekend at Yale, then opens its home season on Saturday, Sept. 30 against Colgate at Schoellkopf Field for Homecoming.
The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in seven of the past eight seasons, including in 2022 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth."
Cornell spin doctors have to work overtime to put a positive spin on Cornell's predicted season finish. (Hopefully Archer's last!)
"The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in seven of the past eight seasons, including in 2022 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth."
This is the saddest sports-related thing I've read in a long, long time.
For those of us who chose the profession of journalism / communication, it's fascinating to see the skills one on the PR side must employ to put a better face on reality. For a couple years there was the hed "Ivy Coaches Tab Cornell for Eighth." Now this.
I wish Cornell football well. Jameson Wang is exciting to watch and he's picked Second Team All-Ivy. And we have one player on the first team, senior linebacker Jake Stebbins. https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/7/28/football-stebbins-named-to-all-ivy-preseason-first-team-to-lead-nine-on-phil-steeles-team.aspx
And Cornell puts on a fab homecoming weekend pre-game party. 2 pm versus Colgate. A winnable game.
Wang in LA Times:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/story/2023-09-10/ivy-league-cornell-football-jameson-wang
Quote from: Chris '03Wang in LA Times:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/story/2023-09-10/ivy-league-cornell-football-jameson-wang
The usual blah-blah-blah about "no scholarships but oh that sheepskin" and this ... ah ... incredible photo that is sooooo Ithaca. Go, Jameson!!!
Cornell football at Lehigh, 12 noon. Lehigh is 1-1 with a home loss to Villanova to 38-12 and a 14-12 win at Merrimack. This is the Cornell season opener and the Big Red goes in unbeaten. playpics-com has Cornell a 1.5-point favorite.
Ivy teams first week:
#5 (in the playoff, smaller school side of D1) Holy Cross at Yale, noon
Cornell at Lehigh, noon
Columbia at Lafayette, 12:30
Penn at Colgate, 1:00
St. Thomas (who?) at Harvard, 1:00
Brown at Bryant, 4:00
Princeton at San Diego, 4:00
Dartmouth at #11 New Hampshire, 6:00
All on ESPN+ except Dartmouth, FloFootball
Yale is the pre-season favorite with 13 of 14 first-place votes in the media poll (Princeton gets the other one, and Cornell is placed 7th, behind Dartmouth, ahead of Brown). Were Yale to beat UNH and UNH have an otherwise excellent season, more people will wonder why football is the lone Ivy NCAA sport where the players can't take part in playoffs.
Well-read Lehigh fans will be forgiven for chanting, in Cornell's direction, "Safety School." The 2024 WSJ ranking of 400 top universities/colleges (out of ~3000 four-year schools) has Lehigh No. 14, Cornell No. 24. (Brown is worse, at 67.) The Journal upended its methodologies for this year and made the ratings attributable to outcomes attributable to the educational process after factoring out things like family income, quality of HS education; and factoring odds of graduating on time and on improvement in salaries after graduation. https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/wsj-best-college-rankings-princeton-12c44c47?st=fn1qsi8oz78b1no&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
All Ivy teams will wear BT helmet decals ... in honor of Dartmouth coach Buddy Teevens, injured in March in a bicycle accident and lost his leg. Sammy McCorkle, a Dartmouth assistant the past 18 years, is the interim coach.
[edit add: Teevens died Tuesday, 9/19/23. He was injured in a car-bicycle accident March 16 on Route A1A in St. Augustine.]
BT helmet: https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2023/9/12/football-ivy-league-teams-to-wear-bt-decal-on-helmets-230912.aspx
Obituary via Dartmouth: https://home.dartmouth.edu/news/2023/09/dartmouth-announces-death-buddy-teevens-79
Quote from: billhowardCornell football at Lehigh, 12 noon. Lehigh is 1-1 with a home loss to Villanova to 38-12 and a 14-12 win at Merrimack. This is the Cornell season opener and the Big Red goes in unbeaten. playpics-com has Cornell a 1.5-point favorite.
Ivy teams first week:
#5 (in the playoff, smaller school side of D1) Holy Cross at Yale, noon
Cornell at Lehigh, noon
Columbia at Lafayette, 12:30
Penn at Colgate, 1:00
St. Thomas (who?) at Harvard, 1:00
Brown at Bryant, 4:00
Princeton at San Diego, 4:00
Dartmouth at #11 New Hampshire, 6:00
All on ESPN+ except Dartmouth, FloFootball
Yale is the pre-season favorite with 13 of 14 first-place votes in the media poll (Princeton gets the other one, and Cornell is placed 7th, behind Dartmouth, ahead of Brown). Were Yale to beat UNH and UNH have an otherwise excellent season, more people will wonder why football is the lone Ivy NCAA sport where the players can't take part in playoffs.
Well-read Lehigh fans will be forgiven for chanting, in Cornell's direction, "Safety School." The 2024 WSJ ranking of 400 top universities/colleges (out of ~3000 four-year schools) has Lehigh No. 14, Cornell No. 24. (Brown is worse, at 67.) The Journal upended its methodologies for this year and made the ratings attributable to outcomes attributable to the educational process after factoring out things like family income, quality of HS education; and factoring odds of graduating on time and on improvement in salaries after graduation. https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/wsj-best-college-rankings-princeton-12c44c47?st=fn1qsi8oz78b1no&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
All Ivy teams will wear BT helmet decals (for Buddy Teevens, not for Bluetooth connectivity, which was my first thought seeing the photo and headline) in honor of Dartmouth coach Buddy Teevens, injured in March in a bicycle accident and lost his leg. Sammy McCorkle, a Dartmouth assistant the past 18 years, is the interim coach. https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2023/9/12/football-ivy-league-teams-to-wear-bt-decal-on-helmets-230912.aspx
I thought the BT was a box to be accepted into the B1G league. ;-)
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME PUNTING!!!
Quote from: Scersk '97ARE YOU READY FOR SOME PUNTING!!!
This reminds me of the Tim Pendergast era. When the offense was on the field and facing third down, the sideline would yell "punt team!" Coaches included.
Talk about having confidence in your offense....
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Scersk '97ARE YOU READY FOR SOME PUNTING!!!
This reminds me of the Tim Pendergast era. When the offense was on the field and facing third down, the sideline would yell "punt team!" Coaches included.
Talk about having confidence in your offense....
Quick kick! No one ever sees it coming!
Unironically, since punting is actually the second most important strategic element in football behind run offense/defense, I am surprised we don't see more third down quick kicks. Seems to be the analytic analogue to the new emphasis on going for it on fourth.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Scersk '97ARE YOU READY FOR SOME PUNTING!!!
This reminds me of the Tim Pendergast era. When the offense was on the field and facing third down, the sideline would yell "punt team!" Coaches included.
Talk about having confidence in your offense....
Quick kick! No one ever sees it coming!
Unironically, since punting is actually the second most important strategic element in football behind run offense/defense, I am surprised we don't see more third down quick kicks. Seems to be the analytic analogue to the new emphasis on going for it on fourth.
Oh, they didn't quick kick. They just wanted to be ready to take the field after the inevitable failed third down.
All QBs should be able to drop kick, change my mind.
Our ESPN roster shows 13 WR and 6 PK. Semper paratus.
Are these throwbacks?
Oh, I know. I haven't had confidence in this team on third down either since Joyce was playing. I was just opining on the utility of quick kicks.
12 minutes in we look distinctly not shitty.
Wang after 12 minutes: 6/7, 156 yards, 2 TD.
Who are these guys?
Good thought Greg. The font on the numerals goes back to the 80's, so different than last year's kit. Upper sleeve looks different, bot numerals on the shoulders instead of upper arm stops them from being throwbacks, I think
Quote from: billhowardSt. Thomas (who?) at Harvard, 1:00
Per ESPN, it is the same St. Thomas (MN) from D-1 hockey.
Quote from: TimVGood thought Greg. The font on the numerals goes back to the 80's, so different than last year's kit. Upper sleeve looks different, bot numerals on the shoulders instead of upper arm stops them from being throwbacks, I think
I like them. They are delightfully primative.
Total yards in Q1: 184-12.
The only flaw is we have been penalty prone, otherwise a perfect quarter.
Who are these guys?
When the back who sets up nine yards from scrimmage runs Cornell gets nothing...same as last year. Run out of the shotgun.
We can't kick. Yardage now 214-12. Wang 10/12 188 and 16 yards rushing. TOP: 17-5.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWhen the back who sets up nine yards from scrimmage runs Cornell gets nothing...same as last year. Run out of the shotgun.
Luckily, the Lehigh offensive doctrine is to run directly into the largest pile of Cornell DLs they can find.
We can kick. 17-0. 1stD 11-0. TOP: 22-7. Total Yards: 261-20.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWhen the back who sets up nine yards from scrimmage runs Cornell gets nothing...same as last year. Run out of the shotgun.
Our RBs seem to all tippy toe at the line of scrimmage. Need to see them run with more assertiveness.
Quote from: TrotskyWe can kick. 17-0. 1stD 11-0. TOP: 22-7. Total Yards: 261-20.
Kicking off out of bounds. How do you miss a 50+ yards wide field?
17-7 at the half.
We took a fair catch at the 4 on the kick off and it came out to the 25. The fuck is that?
Being that this is Cornell football, after looking totally inept all half, Lehigh moves down the field without any seeming resistance and scores to make it 17-7. They get the ball to start the 2nd half. We had every opportunity to put more points on the board, which may come back to bite us.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyWe can kick. 17-0. 1stD 11-0. TOP: 22-7. Total Yards: 261-20.
Kicking off out of bounds. How do you miss a 50+ yards wide field?
The Lehigh KR tried his very best to pin them on the 2.
Quote from: Trotsky17-7 at the half.
We took a fair catch at the 4 on the kick off and it came out to the 25. The fuck is that?
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Yeah, Kiser's our best weapon. I'm guessing he was told to do that, with is par for the course with our coaching decisions.
No, what I mean is since when does a fair catch at the 4 come out to the 25?
Also, that Contraception ad is great. I can't believe we finally learned how to do messaging after 40 years of utter incompetence.
Quote from: TrotskyNo, what I mean is since when does a fair catch at the 4 come out to the 25?
Also, that Contraception ad is great. I can't believe we finally learned how to do messaging after 40 years of utter incompetence.
The fair catch on the KO has been a thing for a few years
Quote from: TrotskyNo, what I mean is since when does a fair catch at the 4 come out to the 25?
Also, that Contraception ad is great. I can't believe we finally learned how to do messaging after 40 years of utter incompetence.
The fair catch rule has been in place for a while in college, and the NFL just adopted it this year. A fair catch anywhere inside the 25 on a kickoff is a touchback.
4th and inches, so give it to the back who starts eight yards away from the first down mark. Play-caller is a moron. Reverting to form this half.
Can't do dick inside the 10.
Straight qb sneak from a yard and a half out similarly dumb. Must have some counter action Can't simply dive ahead.
What happened to first quarter passing game?
Lehigh's strength is run defense.
Another OB kickoff. WTF?
The Cornell "prevent" defense has not been preventing much all day. That was the problem at the end of the first half too.
Really tried to lose that. Lehigh is dreadful. Going to New Haven next week. Not expecting much but the pizza will be good.
Quote from: TrotskyWang after 12 minutes: 6/7, 156 yards, 2 TD.
Who are these guys?
Am I going to have to search for a "They are who we THOUGHT they were" GIF?
Quote from: WederQuote from: TrotskyNo, what I mean is since when does a fair catch at the 4 come out to the 25?
Also, that Contraception ad is great. I can't believe we finally learned how to do messaging after 40 years of utter incompetence.
The fair catch rule has been in place for a while in college, and the NFL just adopted it this year. A fair catch anywhere inside the 25 on a kickoff is a touchback.
Tells you how much football I have watched lately.
Just got home from the game.
When we blitzed, and it wasn't often, we put some decent heat on the Lehigh QB. When we dropped back in a prevent defense, we gave him all day to find receivers in the seams. Which he did.
One other thing I noticed: Whenever we ran any kind of screen, toss, or sweep it went to the short side. Always.
Usually we opened every drive with an attempt to run right up the middle. Once we tried a long bomb, that unfortunately went incomplete. So we tried to run up the middle on second down instead. Ugh.
I was sitting near the Wang family. Joe Wang (Jameson's dad) said that Archer goes strictly by analytics. With the ball on the 1 and one of the best running QB's in the NCAA, Joe said that Archer was still only going to do what the computer tells him to do. Fortunately it told him to go for it. Unfortunately, it didn't tell him to do anything besides a plain old obvious QB sneak.
I said it a bunch of times during the game: I hate Archer.
Running backs gained 23 yards on 19 carries.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioRunning backs gained 23 yards on 19 carries.
That says it all, doesn't it?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioRunning backs gained 23 yards on 19 carries.
if archer is an analytics guy someone needs to update the OS on his computer
You can't go by the analytics most of the time. It worked today.
Gorgeous game day. Perfect weather. 4100 showed up.
Wang's season is already longer than Aaron Rodgers. But he's going to wear out if Wang is the QB and leading rusher.
Still it's a W.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Scersk '97ARE YOU READY FOR SOME PUNTING!!!
This reminds me of the Tim Pendergast era. When the offense was on the field and facing third down, the sideline would yell "punt team!" Coaches included.
Talk about having confidence in your offense....
Quick kick! No one ever sees it coming!
Unironically, since punting is actually the second most important strategic element in football behind run offense/defense, I am surprised we don't see more third down quick kicks. Seems to be the analytic analogue to the new emphasis on going for it on fourth.
I think you were barely teenager during the Sumida/Dase era, but I'm pretty sure both quarterbacks quick kicked on occasion during the 1987 season.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Scersk '97ARE YOU READY FOR SOME PUNTING!!!
This reminds me of the Tim Pendergast era. When the offense was on the field and facing third down, the sideline would yell "punt team!" Coaches included.
Talk about having confidence in your offense....
Quick kick! No one ever sees it coming!
Unironically, since punting is actually the second most important strategic element in football behind run offense/defense, I am surprised we don't see more third down quick kicks. Seems to be the analytic analogue to the new emphasis on going for it on fourth.
Oh, they didn't quick kick. They just wanted to be ready to take the field after the inevitable failed third down.
When I was a kid, my dad went through a phase in Varsity Football (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11844/varsity-scientific-football-game) where he would throw a long pass on every play outside his own 40, and if he started a drive inside the 40, he'd punt on first down. The sabermetrics must not have been with him, though, since I beat him pretty consistently while he was using that strategy.
Both of my schools (Cornell and Stanford) played FCS teams today. One of them won...
Quote from: French RageBoth of my schools (Cornell and Stanford) played FCS teams today. One of them won...
Sacramento State? Who the @#$% is Sacramento State?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: French RageBoth of my schools (Cornell and Stanford) played FCS teams today. One of them won...
Sacramento State? Who the @#$% is Sacramento State?
I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
Ironically, the Ivy League is also a member in the Football Championship Series of the NC$$.
Quote from: Chris H82I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
It is still a huge upset! "Bad for the Pac-12" should still blow the doors off of Sac State.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
It is still a huge upset! "Bad for the Pac-12" should still blow the doors off of Sac State.
Speaking of the Big Sky, gotta love that Portland State has both an 81-7 loss (to Oregon) and a 91-0 win (over an NAIA team) this season.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
It is still a huge upset! "Bad for the Pac-12" should still blow the doors off of Sac State.
This. Even in a bad year you should win your warm-up game (though maybe that was Hawaii). Especially when you pay them $600K to come bad beat you.
Quote from: WederQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
It is still a huge upset! "Bad for the Pac-12" should still blow the doors off of Sac State.
Speaking of the Big Sky, gotta love that Portland State has both an 81-7 loss (to Oregon) and a 91-0 win (over an NAIA team) this season.
I really want to see Oregon play that NAIA team (https://www.na.edu/) now.
Is there such a thing as a pop-up university?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WederQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
It is still a huge upset! "Bad for the Pac-12" should still blow the doors off of Sac State.
Speaking of the Big Sky, gotta love that Portland State has both an 81-7 loss (to Oregon) and a 91-0 win (over an NAIA team) this season.
I really want to see Oregon play that NAIA team (https://www.na.edu/) now.
Is there such a thing as a pop-up university?
Give the guys behind Bishop Sycamore a few minutes.
Did an AI write this preview? https://stallions.na.edu/news/2023/9/14/football-stallions-travel-towards-the-orogen-trail.aspx
Quote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: WederQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
It is still a huge upset! "Bad for the Pac-12" should still blow the doors off of Sac State.
Speaking of the Big Sky, gotta love that Portland State has both an 81-7 loss (to Oregon) and a 91-0 win (over an NAIA team) this season.
I really want to see Oregon play that NAIA team (https://www.na.edu/) now.
Is there such a thing as a pop-up university?
Give the guys behind Bishop Sycamore a few minutes.
Did an AI write this preview? https://stallions.na.edu/news/2023/9/14/football-stallions-travel-towards-the-orogen-trail.aspx
Definitely did. "Fight over the pigskin"
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris H82I live in Big Sky Conference land (Montana), so I've heard of Sacramento State. They are a good team. And Stanford is not supposed to be a good team this year, so it's not much of an upset.
It is still a huge upset! "Bad for the Pac-12" should still blow the doors off of Sac State.
Particularly "bad for this [the last] year's Pac-12," because the conference is otherwise a monster.
Former Dartmouth head football coach Buddy Teevins died as a result of injuries he suffered in a bicycle accident over the summer.
Terrible news.
My wife and I are taking our first trip to Western New York and we want to attend the Cornell-Colgate football game. I understand it's homecoming. Anyone have any suggestions about parking, buying tickets, etc. What should we expect?
You picked a good weekend: Cornell homecoming weekend. Great atmosphere for alumni, parents (if you are, give her a hug and let her get back to her friends, but you know that) and visitors.
Homecoming info and to register for free stuff like maybe T-shirts or hot dogs (food was free 10 years ago): https://alumni.cornell.edu/come-back/homecoming/ You don't have to register.
* Friday ca. 8:30 pm fireworks at Schoellkopf (the football) field, can draw 15,000-plus
* Saturday 11-2 mega tailgate, tents for many classes, some decades, some grad schools, alumni segments. You can register for a food/drinks package in advance; some alumni just wander the various tents until someone offers them a beer or burger.
* Saturday 2 pm, Cornell vs. Colgate football, should be a close game, the teams seem evenly matched
Parking game day is available for fee or free. You may have to walk a bit for free parking but < 10 minutes.
There is lots to do around town if you're there Sunday including the Saturday-Sunday farmers market, Taughannock Falls and Buttermilk Falls. Fabulous restaurants in town and on Cayuga and nearby Seneca Lake, even better gorge at Watkins Glen (photo), wineries.
Oh we of little faith: [code]
Cornell (2-0) 0 3 14 6 -- 23
Yale (0-2) 14 0 0 7 -- 21 [code]
Wang 26x36 pass, 197 yards + 49 rush (34 net)
Kennedy 3x3 FG
Carothers 9 x 95 rush (long 29)
Henderson 7 tackles 1 INT
[Pre-game:] Cornell 1-0 at Yale 0-1, whose loss was to No. 6 (football championship subdivision) Holy Cross, 49-24. But Yale was picked on 12 of 13 first place votes for best Ivy team. Yale has returning player of the year, QB Nolan Grooms, and rookie of the year, RB Joshua Pitsenberger.
12 noon kickoff, 75% chance of rain at gametime, although this week's Tropical Storm (Lee) will pass east of Connecticut. Yale Bowl and the fields nearby have excellent tailgating but not with this weekend's weather.
Daily Sun preview: https://cornellsun.com/2023/09/21/preview-football-begins-its-conference-schedule-on-the-road-against-yale/. Sun prediction: Yale 31-17. Last year it was 38-14, Yale.
So this would appear to be one of those moral victory weekends. No chance on Ezra's Green Earth to win, so play our game, try to execute as well as we can, refine and learn lessons, and bank the experience for games later that we might stay in.
Hey, maybe we can be mid-pack and not backmarker. Either way this will be a double-digit loss, so, no pressure.
Thank you, billhoward, for the good information. Neither of us are Cornell grads. I've always wanted to see a game at Schoellkopf and that opportunity has arrived. Sounds like free parking is a convenient walk from the stadium. Can I count on geting walkup tickets on gameday or should I pre-order?
Quote from: VisitorThank you, billhoward, for the good information. Neither of us are Cornell grads. I've always wanted to see a game at Schoellkopf and that opportunity has arrived. Sounds like free parking is a convenient walk from the stadium. Can I count on geting walkup tickets on gameday or should I pre-order?
Yes, I believe football tickets should be available at gametime. We have had good luck just walking up, the past couple years. There is a separate entrance for non-students, that entrance being the back side of the stone crescent that is the main (only) stands, called the Crescent. If you look at the stadium from the road (Campus Road), the Crescent entrance is on your left and up a short slope. You can buy e-tickets on your phone in advance but you also just walk up and pay cash although Cornell seems to prefer contactless (phone) payment. Do NOT buy tickets through third-parties online because there is no reason to pay surcharges.
The stadium address for your GPS is 521 Campus Road, Ithaca 14850. (Actually, parking will be farther away from main campus. Set your GPS to 901 Campus Road, which is Cornell's B Lot, it's either free or cheapish). Oh, if you want to bring things in, it needs to be in a clear plastic bag 12x12x6. Read about athletics / tickets / parking rules here: https://scl.cornell.edu/get-involved/athletic-ticketing/cornell-athletic-ticketing-faqs There are a lot of rules, it seems, but also the older -- read: less student-like -- the less they hassle you.
The 50-yard line is between sections EG and EG. E is for East Stands; there used to be West Stands as well but they were removed in 2016.
Lieutenant Autumn on our side today, with the weather bad and headed towards terrible.
Second Yale drive assisted by two dumb Cornell penalties. A personal foul on a QB who was down, and an interference on an otherwise uncatchable pass. Bah, I say.
Penalties give Yale a touchdown.
Any ideas how else we can give this one away?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioAny ideas how else we can give this one away?
look they're much better than us so there was no way we were winning but it still is embarrassing how collectively bad the team looks
Why was Carruthers not in the backfield on 1st and goal? Only back who gets yardage.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioAny ideas how else we can give this one away?
look they're much better than us so there was no way we were winning but it still is embarrassing how collectively bad the team looks
Be fair. Consider the Archer era. We're fairly cromulent or a bit worse.
My Eli son and I are enjoying the game (on ABC). Clemson is up by 3 and about to score with 2:17 left in the half.
Quote from: martyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioAny ideas how else we can give this one away?
look they're much better than us so there was no way we were winning but it still is embarrassing how collectively bad the team looks
Be fair. Consider the Archer era. We're fairly cromulent or a bit worse.
My Eli son and I are enjoying the game (on ABC). Clemson is up by 3 and about to score with 2:17 left in the half.
looked better since i posted tbh
on the other hand the guy controlling the chyron never knows the down and distance.
12 play, 70-yard drive to start the third quarter ends in a QB sneak TD. 10-14 and somehow we aren't dead yet.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: martyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioAny ideas how else we can give this one away?
look they're much better than us so there was no way we were winning but it still is embarrassing how collectively bad the team looks
Be fair. Consider the Archer era. We're fairly cromulent or a bit worse.
My Eli son and I are enjoying the game (on ABC). Clemson is up by 3 and about to score with 2:17 left in the half.
looked better since i posted tbh
on the other hand the guy controlling the chyron never knows the down and distance.
This second half thing coincided with the Clemson, FSU halftime. We're now in the streamcast.
Oh god, we drop a 6.
But then we go for it on 4th inside the 20 and get the first.
And now Cornell gets the go ahead TD on a flag pattern. 17-14, late third quarter.
What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports is goin' on here?
Quote from: TrotskyBut then we go for it on 4th inside the 20 and get the first.
camera misses the TD live with the worst camera work possible but they get a replay up with a good look immediately and Cornell is up 17-14 and looks like a different squad.
17-14, end of Q3. Yale has the ball, 4th and 9 from just inside our 30. Switching sides to kick with the wind so FG try possible.
Quote from: ugarte17-14, end of Q3. Yale has the ball, 4th and 9 from just inside our 30. Switching sides to kick with the wind so FG try possible.
MISSED
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarte17-14, end of Q3. Yale has the ball, 4th and 9 from just inside our 30. Switching sides to kick with the wind so FG try possible.
MISSED
Cornell driving, screen pass on 3d and 1... fumbled... recovered. whew.
Another tough penalty, but now 20-14. Need another stop.
Quote from: TrotskyAnother tough penalty, but now 20-14. Need another stop.
nearly a TD called back (but no replay so idk if the hold sprung the RB) but nearly got the first down. they've looked actually decent!
4:30 remaining. Yale inside the 40 but 3rd and long.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyAnother tough penalty, but now 20-14. Need another stop.
nearly a TD called back (but no replay so idk if the hold sprung the RB) but nearly got the first down. they've looked actually decent!
4:30 remaining. Yale inside the 40 but 3rd and long.
ugh personal foul. Yale to the 20.
Finally stuff the QB on a run. 2d and 10.
Nor one, but two penalties on key play of key drive.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyAnother tough penalty, but now 20-14. Need another stop.
nearly a TD called back (but no replay so idk if the hold sprung the RB) but nearly got the first down. they've looked actually decent!
4:30 remaining. Yale inside the 40 but 3rd and long.
ugh personal foul. Yale to the 20.
Finally stuff the QB on a run. 2d and 10.
holding then incomplete twice. 4th and 20.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNor one, but two penalties on key play of key drive.
come on al. the late hit may have been bad- i don't think they showed a replay but the CB was beat. the pass was off-target but he did what he had to do.
Jesus christ
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyAnother tough penalty, but now 20-14. Need another stop.
nearly a TD called back (but no replay so idk if the hold sprung the RB) but nearly got the first down. they've looked actually decent!
4:30 remaining. Yale inside the 40 but 3rd and long.
ugh personal foul. Yale to the 20.
Finally stuff the QB on a run. 2d and 10.
holding then incomplete twice. 4th and 20.
oh my fucking god grooms finally throws an accurate deep ball for the TD.
yale 21-20 3:14 remaining.
whoops
Welp, Wang gets the chance to win this. Can't ask for more.
Needed that third touchdown.
Plenty of time.
Great drive so far. No effing holding penalties please.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNeeded that third touchdown.
post after a good play just once!
25 years completion on 3d and 10 to extend the drive. Then another couple of first downs, Cornell inside the 30
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioNeeded that third touchdown.
post after a good play just once!
25 years completion on 3d and 10 to extend the drive. Then another couple of first downs, Cornell inside the 30
Butt out.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioNeeded that third touchdown.
post after a good play just once!
25 years completion on 3d and 10 to extend the drive. Then another couple of first downs, Cornell inside the 30
3d and 1 from 18... sneak for the first down. Yale takes second TO with 1:04 remaining.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioNeeded that third touchdown.
post after a good play just once!
25 years completion on 3d and 10 to extend the drive. Then another couple of first downs, Cornell inside the 30
3d and 1 from 18... sneak for the first down. Yale takes second TO with 1:04 remaining.
takes last TO with 56 seconds left. 2d and 10 from the 17.
another gain of zero... winding down the clock... takes a knee at the 20. time it with 2 seconds left. 37 yard fg for the win coming. really conservative call but we've got a chance.
37-yd FG attempt to win coming up.
Do you believe in miracles?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioNeeded that third touchdown.
post after a good play just once!
25 years completion on 3d and 10 to extend the drive. Then another couple of first downs, Cornell inside the 30
3d and 1 from 18... sneak for the first down. Yale takes second TO with 1:04 remaining.
takes last TO with 56 seconds left. 2d and 10 from the 17.
another gain of zero... winding down the clock... takes a knee at the 20. time it with 2 seconds left. 37 yard fg for the win coming. really conservative call but we've got a chance.
it's good!
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioNeeded that third touchdown.
post after a good play just once!
25 years completion on 3d and 10 to extend the drive. Then another couple of first downs, Cornell inside the 30
3d and 1 from 18... sneak for the first down. Yale takes second TO with 1:04 remaining.
takes last TO with 56 seconds left. 2d and 10 from the 17.
another gain of zero... winding down the clock... takes a knee at the 20. time it with 2 seconds left. 37 yard fg for the win coming. really conservative call but we've got a chance.
it's good!
More compelling than a Clemson halftime show. Thank you, Touchdown!
A deserved win. Played a gutsy game after a difficult start.
79 plays from scrimmage to Yale's 52.
Carothers 9 carries for 95 yards. Big difference for offense.
Thanks to the Yale coach for giving us some extra clock when he couldn't have gotten the ball back no matter what
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioAny ideas how else we can give this one away?
look they're much better than us so there was no way we were winning but it still is embarrassing how collectively bad the team looks
;-)
Quote from: Trotsky12 play, 70-yard drive to start the third quarter ends in a QB sneak TD. 10-14 and somehow we aren't dead yet.
I am trying to convince our Class Reunion to use the tagline #NotDeadYet. Traction is building mostly on account of it started at zero and couldn't go down.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioA deserved win. Played a gutsy game after a difficult start.
Now I remember this feeling I felt when we used to win big games. I've missed that.
LGR!
[b]Week 2 Games of Sept. 22-23, 2023[/b]
Cornell 23 @ Yale 21 (not a typo) [url=https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/9/23/football-rallies-past-yale-23-21-on-walkoff-field-goal-to-improve-to-2-0.aspx]Cornell PR game story[/url]
Bryant 23 @ Princeton 20 (OT)
@ Harvard 34 Brown 31 Friday night lights
@ Columbia 30 Georgetown 0
@ Dartmouth 34 Lehigh 17
Penn 37 @ Bucknell 21
Against Princeton, Bryant in OT went first, FG. Princeton had 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1, failed on 3 rushes; did not go for field goal on fourth down. Although the weather in NJ varied this afternoon from rainy to downpour-rainy.
2-0 teams: Cornell, Harvard, Penn
1-1 teams: Princeton, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown
0-2 teams: Yale [the team with 12/13 first place votes, pre-season poll]
Penn, Dartmouth Princeton, Columbia yet to play Ivy games
Next week, Sept. 29-30
Columbia @ Princeton, Friday 7:00
Colgate @ Cornell, Saturday 2 pm
Morgan State @ Yale, 12 noon
CCSU @ Brown, 12 noon (Central Connecticut State University)
Dartmouth @ Penn, 2 pm
Harvard @ Holy Cross, 5 pm
Archer really turning things around. Get this guy a new contract!
Quote from: shaferArcher really turning things around. Get this guy a new contract!
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Quote from: shaferArcher really turning things around. Get this guy a new contract!
FYP:
Get a new contract
for the guy. Some critics past wanted a contract on him.
If I'd have known we'd win, I would have started a separate thread.
Let's not have a Homecoming letdown.
Friday (8:30 fireworks), sunny, high 68 (but 48 low). Saturday, sunny, high 72 (2 pm gametime). The only unknowns for Saturday are final score and final number of alcohol transports.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioAny ideas how else we can give this one away?
look they're much better than us so there was no way we were winning but it still is embarrassing how collectively bad the team looks
;-)
i already ate crow!
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Trotsky12 play, 70-yard drive to start the third quarter ends in a QB sneak TD. 10-14 and somehow we aren't dead yet.
I am trying to convince our Class Reunion to use the tagline #NotDeadYet. Traction is building mostly on account of it started at zero and couldn't go down.
"Dancing in the Moonlight" chosen by the reunion folks was brilliant. Still not going but hats off to the committee.
Quote from: martyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: Trotsky12 play, 70-yard drive to start the third quarter ends in a QB sneak TD. 10-14 and somehow we aren't dead yet.
I am trying to convince our Class Reunion to use the tagline #NotDeadYet. Traction is building mostly on account of it started at zero and couldn't go down.
"Dancing in the Moonlight" chosen by the reunion folks was brilliant. Still not going but hats off to the committee.
"Dancing in the Moonlight" was played at our freshman concert by Boffalongo, which disbanded and members went on to King Harvest (the version you heard) and Orleans. So, yeah, it's pretty apt, the official reunion slogan. I have a classmate friend who had big time heart surgery a decade ago, he's fine now, and the rehab groups made T-shirts, Not Dead Yet.
Quote from: billhoward... and Orleans...
including the future congressman?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhoward... and Orleans...
including the future congressman?
You can read the Boffalongo to King Harvest to Orleans progression and then they'll be a quiz. I'd pass with flying colors for about 5 minutes and then half an hour later flunk with abandon.
Orleans is to be commended for this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-WI56wz22F8&pp=ygUNT3JsZWFucyBibGluZA%3D%3D
I didn't bother even thinking about a win after seeing us at Lehigh. So allI can say is "Holy Shit!"
Running game was so much crisper than it was against Lehigh. Good effort considering they were going against Yale's left tackle Kiran Amegadjie, who is considered the top NFL prospect in the Ivies. To be honest was expecting Yale to win by 2 touchdowns. Also am impressed with the pass defense this season. Per the late Yale touchdown on the 4th and 20-that was a perfect pass against pretty decent Cornell coverage. As long as Wang stays healthy don't count out the Red. Only concerns are the injuries to Kiser and Stebbins. Looking forward to Homecoming!!
i think one thing that improved the running game in the second half is less RPO and more straight runs or passes. i don't think the option is smooth at all and the indecision means that there's a beat of delay on every handoff that feels like an eternity. when the play call was fixed the offense executed.
meanwhile dartmouth rolled lehigh
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhoward... and Orleans...
including the future congressman?
... and confusing even if you're lighting up. There is John Hall of Orleans, the Mid-Hudson Congressmen / Orleans guy. Elected to Congress in a Republican district 2006, 2008, unelected 2010. Then there is Daryl Hall and John Oates, which is confusing and would be more so if it were John Hall and Daryl Oates.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: ugarteQuote from: billhoward... and Orleans...
including the future congressman?
... and confusing even if you're lighting up. There is John Hall of Orleans, the Mid-Hudson Congressmen / Orleans guy. Elected to Congress in a Republican district 2006, 2008, unelected 2010. Then there is Daryl Hall and John Oates, which is confusing and would be more so if it were John Hall and Daryl Oates.
And....Orleans played at Daryl's house back in April.
https://discover.events.com/us/new-york/pawling/e/music/orleans-daryls-house-pawling-15-2023-loudmemories-426788918?
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Quote from: rss77Good effort considering they were going against Yale's left tackle Kiran Amegadjie, who is considered the top NFL prospect in the Ivies.
There was a succession of 8-10 plays in the second half where Amegadjie was mentioned on
every play. He was amazing.
I noticed that on both AD Moore's newsletter and the IL website, ESPN+ is mentioned. Yet last night I searched for the Cornell/Yale football game in the on-demand section of ESPN+ in the ESPN app, but had no luck. Can anyone advise about this?
https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/3d1cbf77-3c22-4734-8d1e-b37f9a3268b2
its there
at least on a computer it is.
In the watchespn.com banner click on the schedules and replays link. Pick replay and select your sport and the date of the game your looking for. The list will show all the ESPN televised games on the date you select. Hope this helps.
These Colgate helmets are something out of iPacifier hell. They're not quite as shit as huggy bear or #yellcornell, but they come from the same meatball area code.
We can't move the ball but Colgate has been committing ritual suicide on offense and special teams so it may not matter.
Can we please see Crothers at running back?
But for the Colgate fumble, we're being outplayed across the board. And as Al says, where's Crothers? And I'll add, what's the deal with Tillman? He was by far our best back last year, and while he missed the last several games of the season to injury, he's played some this year, but quite sparingly.
7-7, Colgate misses a FG from ~34 and that's how the first quarter ends.
Colgate seems to know pretty much every play we're running. As we know in-game coaching hasn't been our strength.
Good think we have Wang, as his talent is the only think keeping us afloat.
Speaking of, Wang gets us the touchdown and it is 14-7.
Wang converts two 3d and long passes, a 2d and 14 designed run, hits a screen to Laboy who takes it for 38 and then runs it in himself from the 5. Great drive. Cornell 14-7.
Quote from: scoop85Colgate seems to know pretty much every play we're running.
And, on their touchdown drive, every defensive play we were calling.
colgate throws up an absolute disaster of a pass - way off target and with an insane amount of air underneath it - and Cornell picks it off but they call roughing the passer. Oof.
Quote from: ugartecolgate throws up an absolute disaster of a pass - way off target and with an insane amount of air underneath it - and Cornell picks it off but they call roughing the passer. Oof.
Cornell forces 4th and 5 beyond field goal range and an incomplete pass and gets the ball back at around the same spot as the pick.
Night fell early.
cornell with neat hook and lateral for 9, alas it was 3d and 12. good punt.
hachi machi great catch on a mediocre throw from osboren under pressure to gain 30. then a big scramble, and a broken tackle on a pass and Colgate has flown down the field to the Cornell 10. ugh.
Wang has 131 of Cornell's 135 yards total offense.
short pass for a TD and the kick is good. Tied at 14, nearing the end of the half.
2 minute drill going incredibly well so far with Carothers and Wang runs, Laboy and Woodring catches. Clock management with the boundary and the first downs and Cornell is inside the 20.
Ugh great pass juggled in the end zone and caught OOB or it would have been a TD. Busted sweep on 3d and 2... Archer calls time out with 2 seconds left to set up a 34 yard FG... Colgate timeout to ice ... GOOD. 17-14 at the half
Quote from: ugarte2 minute drill going incredibly well so far with Carothers and Wang runs, Laboy and Woodring catches. Clock management with the boundary and the first downs and Cornell is inside the 20.
Fortunate to be leading at the half, but a pretty poor performance. I'm surprised that near TD wasn't reviewed—sure look close to having his toe in. And on the next play the kid should have cut inside, as he had plenty of daylight, but for some reason he kept running outside and into the defenders.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarte2 minute drill going incredibly well so far with Carothers and Wang runs, Laboy and Woodring catches. Clock management with the boundary and the first downs and Cornell is inside the 20.
Fortunate to be leading at the half, but a pretty poor performance. I'm surprised that near TD wasn't reviewed—sure look close to having his toe in. And on the next play the kid should have cut inside, as he had plenty of daylight, but for some reason he kept running outside and into the defenders.
i assume it looks easier from here lol but yeah.
I will admit that I missed the first quarter and maybe it was a disaster with a lucky forced fumble but the second TD and half-ending FG drives were both very good and the drive with the (non-)pick was very good. Mixed bag.
Dreadful play calls to end that drive.
Cornell with a good drive inside the 30 but go for it on 4th and long instead of kicking from 46 and Laboy can't get open. There was a crossing route underneath that Wang didn't look at that probably goes for the first if the throw is clean. Bummer.
Promising opening drive peters out meekly at the Colgate 30. But we had an Eddy Tillman sighting at least
3d and 7 and a terrible job of tackling to let Osborne scramble for the first.
Defense not being helped by zero pass rush
Getting to the passer is important but so is containment.
Quote from: ugarte3d and 7 and a terrible job of tackling to let Osborne scramble for the first.
Force another 3d and 7 and another scramble but they get him this time to force a punt.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioGetting to the passer is important but so is containment.
Quite true
Frustrating to watch this.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioFrustrating to watch this.
Sure is. The team seemingly got full of themselves after last week, and seem to be reverting to the "norm". Men's soccer starts now, so might be a good time to check that out.
Cornell pins Colgate to their 3 with a 66 yard punt and the defense lets them drive out.
Manhandling Cornell's defensive line.
Soccer scores in 19th minute 1 nil.
Losing to an 0-4 team at homecoming, how embarrassing.
What is with these rugby punts? Pointless when this guy keeps kicking it 20 yards
Good thing their kicker can't kick straight.
couple of bad drives back to back; Colgate scores and Cornell stalls. Colgate driving again. Terrible tackling from our D but at least they missed another FG.
Broken play, Wang scrambles and fumbles. Oof. Colgate ball.
Protect the football, Jameson.
Fumble should end it...appropriately.
Colgate puts it in - I don't think our linebackers are ever anywhere useful. 28-17.
Quote from: ugarteColgate puts it in - I don't think our linebackers are ever anywhere useful. 28-17.
Losing Stebbins was quite noticeable today. The defense had been so solid the 1st two games, but today against a backup QB and a Colgate offense that had done nothing all year, this was an embarrassment.
Good drive going now... and a great inside WR screen for Laboy for the TD. 28-23 pending what I assume will be a 2-pt attempt.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteColgate puts it in - I don't think our linebackers are ever anywhere useful. 28-17.
Losing Stebbins was quite noticeable today. The defense had been so solid the 1st two games, but today against a backup QB and a Colgate offense that had done nothing all year, this was an embarrassment.
Oddly, the secondary did a good job of forcing the QB to run... but the line did a terrible job of containing the scrambling or actually getting to the QB.
Quote from: ugarteGood drive going now... and a great inside WR screen for Laboy for the TD. 28-23 pending what I assume will be a 2-pt attempt.
Wang bootleg when he can't find the target for the conversion. 2:29 left.
No onside kick. Pooch kickoff, Colgate kneels at the 30 and there's some taunting on the outside and #14 takes a swing at someone on Colgate gets a personal foul and ejected. Great work.
Don't be that guy.
4th and 1 for Colgate from the Cornell 46... Cornell uses its last timeout. Decision coming for 'gate... going for it... not going for it. Takes the delay of game and will punt from midfield. Cornell is going to get the ball back for another two minute drill. Big stop for the D to give us a chance.
Quote from: mike1960Don't be that guy.
great call from the colgate announcer, talking about not jumping offside.
Incredible punt bounces out at the 3.
Wang sacked in the end zone, fumbles. I think Wang was actually trying to shuffle an illegal pass to a lineman as he went down. The lineman also doesn't pick it up and Colgate recovers for a game-ending TD instead of a game-ending safety. 35-25 with 1:37 to go.
The Cornell announcer is thinking we have a chance.
I am in awe of his optimism.
Harvard crushing Holy Cross mid-2nd, 21-7.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioHarvard crushing Holy Cross mid-2nd, 21-7.
Cornell will get beat easily by Harvard. And as crazy as it may sound after the Yale win, Cornell could end up 3-7 or at best 4-6. That should signal the end of the Archer era.
Yale absolutely destroyed a 1-3 Morgan State but they lost by 3 to FBS Akron, beat Richmond, lost close games to Albany and Towson. Colgate's punter was one of the difference makers as well as the Colgate offensive line. Cornell also seemed to have missed tackles in the open field. Realize Stebbins is out which hurts but are Henderson and Fletcher out too? Not sure if I understand the running back rotation-Caruthers and Tillman are quicker off the ball IMO-why not go with them? Harvard looks really good.
Meant to make point that Harvard coming up that by comparing scores chances against Harvard don't look great but each game is different. Putting out the Morgan State info that Yale put a beatdown on a tough opponent so it shows Cornell is capable of beating an athletic team on a good day. Must say that losing game changers like Kizer and Stebbins definitely and hope to see them back on the field ASAP.
Tough loss for Cornell, especially the collapse in the fourth quarter.
Hey have you posters heard President Martha Pollack was once again absent during Homecoming? I was talking with one of the Cornell board members who said she was traveling out of town and a bunch of alums were upset. This is not the first time Martha Pollack has missed Homecoming or walked out after the first quarter. We have thousands of alums making the 4-6 hour trip to Ithaca for the one big sports/alumni event all year and she blew it off. Do you think Frank Rhodes would have skipped Homecoming? Where does she think donations for Cornell infrastructure and financial aid come from? Very annoying for loyal alumni to donate to our university and the president skips town.
Quote from: Local MotionTough loss for Cornell, especially the collapse in the fourth quarter.
Hey have you posters heard President Martha Pollack was once again absent during Homecoming? I was talking with one of the Cornell board members who said she was traveling out of town and a bunch of alums were upset. This is not the first time Martha Pollack has missed Homecoming or walked out after the first quarter. We have thousands of alums making the 4-6 hour trip to Ithaca for the one big sports/alumni event all year and she blew it off. Do you think Frank Rhodes would have skipped Homecoming? Where does she think donations for Cornell infrastructure and financial aid come from? Very annoying for loyal alumni to donate to our university and the president skips town.
According to her official Instagram, she was getting inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences over the weekend.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxtVEAUvEc6/?img_index=1
The AD should be at Homecoming. The President of the university has a lot better things to do.
As long as she sucks off the donors in some other forum and keeps the checks rolling in, she's doing her job.
I'm sure the president of the university spends a lot of time flying around the country and the world hitting up alums to make big donations to Cornell. I would hate to think that whether someone donates to Cornell or not is based upon whether they see the president at Homecoming.
The only significance of the president not attending homecoming is that it indicates she doesn't care about athletics, which is probably the case for most or all Ivy League presidents. We can argue how much her not caring about sports matters, but other than that, I don't think the fact she didn't attend homecoming matters at all.
I think you miss my point. Andy Noel's budget was cut by about $1MM as soon as Martha Pollack took office. Andy is a nice guy and a good team player, but his hands were tied over the past five years. Even if Andy wanted to hire a new head coach, he didn't even have the funds to hire one. At least Archer knows his way around the system. I also think Ryan Lombardi would have loved to make improvements to the athletic department but his hands are tied too. In terms of Martha Pollack just ask our students as most of them would see her twice in their four years at Cornell .The first time at Orientation and the other at Graduation. In comparison, Frank Rhodes, Hunter Rawlings, and David Skorton were all very visible around campus. I think she's a great computer scientist who would be terrific dean, but not a college president where you need good social and public speaking skills.
I like Nikki Moore the new AD but she's going to have an uphill battle getting anything done on the East Hill and I think most insiders on campus would agree. Go Big Red!
Quote from: BearLoverThe only significance of the president not attending homecoming is that it indicates she doesn't care about athletics, which is probably the case for most or all Ivy League presidents. We can argue how much her not caring about sports matters, but other than that, I don't think the fact she didn't attend homecoming matters at all.
Presidents care about athletics in direct proportion to how much athletics brings in $$$.
If you're the President of Alabama or Mississippi, you care about athletics almost to the exclusion of everything else. If you're President of Michigan or UCLA, you care, but it's only one of several things. If you're President of Brown or Cornell you give absolutely zero fucks.
The President of the university is a knob polisher of the donor class. It's the job. At the Ivies that means (1) see the check clears, (2) protect the snob appeal brand. When I earn my first trillion Pollack will be doing my dishes and taking out my trash, and she'll be at Fish N Fowl because that's my condition, bitch, now, boar on the floor! But until then, they don't give a crap and arguably they shouldn't. They are vacuum cleaners for the dandruff of privilege; they are not people.
Well that certainly was not the case when I was a student-athlete at Cornell. Frank Rhodes was a regular at many Cornell sports events and he was an advocate for renovating Schoellkopf Field in 1986 and the opening of Bartels Hall in 1990. Frank Rhodes was by far the best fund-raiser and most popular president in the last fifty years on the East Hill.
I guess if the president of Cornell doesn't care about athletics, then why should we alumni continue to post on this website, make financial gifts to athletics, or support our teams??? Meanwhile the other seven Ivy league members continue to upgrade their athletic facilities. For example, Conner Buczek has done a great job coaching Big Red lacrosse, but I can assure you if he keeps up the good work, other NCAA teams will come calling, like the other Lax coaches who have left the East Hill in recent years.
You may want to tour some of the amazing athletic facilities at other Ivy member schools. Even Dartmouth has significantly upgraded their athletic facilities in recent years and like Cornell they are located in a rural setting.
100% agree! The athletic facilities for both Varsity and non-Varsity athletes are subpar. Every other Ivy has blown by us in terms of their stadiums, fields, and facilities for the general student population. If you ever go to MIT, you would be amazed at what they have and what they offer their students. I just do not understand how this continues, year after year, and we look like a forgotten stepchild. My entire family all went to Cornell (7 of us), and 4 of us were on various athletic teams, it has not really improved a whole lot. The lacrosse team is a perfect example- they need an indoor practice facility, supposedly the money has been raised by friends of Cornell lacrosse, still not built. The University president "can't decide where it should go". Are you kidding me?? That new computer science building is already underway, and they kicked the baseball team far away from campus on Game Farm road. Good luck getting the undergrads to go and cheer on the team. I can assure you that Coach Buczek has already been approached by several other lax programs offering more $$$, but he has stayed out of loyalty, as has his coaches! That will not last for long, can only hope this new AD sees the forest through the trees and puts Athletics on par with our amazing educational opportunities as well as our peer institutions athletic facilities. I can tell you all without a doubt, this hurts recruiting tremendously, and we lose many good athletes to other Ivys. Look at the football team-abysmal record, mediocre coaching staff that is underpaid, playing in half a stadium.
I have heard that the new indoor recreation & sports bldg is still in the works - they are trying to finish the fundraising. Inflation raised the cost of the facility.
Andy Noel wanted the indoor practice facility on campus and Martha Pollack wants to send it two miles down the road. As a former Big Red student-athlete I didn't even have a car until my senior year which I parked behind my fraternity house. I too came from a big Cornell family and my older brother almost didn't graduate because he had too many parking tickets. Cornell has always been a "walkable" campus dating back to when my great Uncle was there in the 1920's. I find it ironic the Cornell admin wants our students walking everywhere which is probably a good thing, but then they push our already limited sports facilities off campus.
The reality is when a Ivy League recruit visits Cornell, especially for sports like football where they walk into our stadium (which is in terrible condition) then that same student-athlete visits Princeton, Harvard, or even Dartmouth it's practically a no-brainer where they are going and it's not the East Hill. The Princeton stadium is incredibly impressive and Dartmouth's is nearly brand new. Meanwhile I have heard Harvard is renovating their stadium and even prior to the renovations the Crimson usually leads the Ivy League in home game attendance. Again, if you're a top Ivy League recruit from places like Florida, Texas, and California some of these kids are playing in 10K plus seat stadiums that are full every Friday night.
Quote from: Local MotionAndy Noel wanted the indoor practice facility on campus and Martha Pollack wants to send it two miles down the road. As a former Big Red student-athlete I didn't even have a car until my senior year which I parked behind my fraternity house. I too came from a big Cornell family and my older brother almost didn't graduate because he had too many parking tickets. Cornell has always been a "walkable" campus dating back to when my great Uncle was there in the 1920's. I find it ironic the Cornell admin wants our students walking everywhere which is probably a good thing, but then they push our already limited sports facilities off campus.
The reality is when a Ivy League recruit visits Cornell, especially for sports like football where they walk into our stadium (which is in terrible condition) then that same student-athlete visits Princeton, Harvard, or even Dartmouth it's practically a no-brainer where they are going and it's not the East Hill. The Princeton stadium is incredibly impressive and Dartmouth's is nearly brand new. Meanwhile I have heard Harvard is renovating their stadium and even prior to the renovations the Crimson usually leads the Ivy League in home game attendance. Again, if you're a top Ivy League recruit from places like Florida, Texas, and California some of these kids are playing in 10K plus seat stadiums that are full every Friday night.
The issue is the product, not the buyers. If you have a team that wins, people will come. People will most definitely come.
All so true- My frustration lies in the fact that as an alum athlete,I am always hearing how something "can't" be done, as opposed to let"s do it! I'm embarrassed to bring friends to Scheolkopff, where I have many great memories of playing and watching my son play. Martha Pollack unfortunately does not have her finger on the pulse of athletics in a college setting and furthermore, I don't think she really cares either. Ridiculous to push athletics miles off campus, and don't start with Columbia has to do that- we are not in Manhattan/Harlem.
As for the indoor lacrosse/recreation facility, I was told the money is there- however by delaying the decision making as to where it should reside, the cost of building it has risen (Union work at Cornell). That's on Martha- again she could give a shit about athletics. I don't know what the answer is. I have written VP Lombardi and Noel- crickets! Maybe, as others have mentioned, we just stop sending money?
I also feel this is not just a Varsity athletics issue, the entire student body needs better and more available facilities to blow off steam. Maybe, just maybe, there won't be as many drinking incidents on campus as there are now! The University sorely needs a new pool- Teagle is outdated- knock down another outdated facility Helen Newman, and build a multi story facility with a new pool, basketball courts, weight rooms and a top floor cafe, with views of Bebe Lake. Parking underground. I've been to high schools and prep schools with similar and markedly better facilities. God forbid, dip into the endowment, and get it done!
The only way to win is to out recruit your rivals- can't do that now in Football, Baseball, and somewhat in Basketball, as well as most of the women's sports sans Hockey. Why- the facilities are subpar for years, and the legacy of losing does not go away. Recruits are constantly looking else where to our Ivy foes, especially in Football. HYP certainly gives more "financial aid", and they take whoever they want. I do find it amazing that Lacrosse, Hockey and Wrestling can remain as competitive as they do-certainly a testament to the respective coaches!
Why should we continue to post on this site?
Um, we look to complain?
Good news from Saturday's Colgate / Homecoming game 9/30:
* I think we led more minutes than Colgate. If not, close enough.
* The fireworks were fantastic Friday night.
* The weather was fabulous. We were out three times on the lake Friday to Sunday.
* Attendance almost 13,000 for football, even more for fireworks.
* Colgate player's dad sitting in front of us said Nicki Moore was well-regarded at Colgate.
* One can win in more than one way on game day: "Never Lost a Tailgate." Go Red!
* The Big Red Marching Band (and all the alumni band people Saturday) continue to make parents of the other seven Ivy teams jealous. Our band looks good, plays well, and doesn't do political skits which nobody even understands because the announcer mumbles and how to do you make an extended middle finger when the band only has like nine people on the field?
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Local MotionAndy Noel wanted the indoor practice facility on campus and Martha Pollack wants to send it two miles down the road. As a former Big Red student-athlete I didn't even have a car until my senior year which I parked behind my fraternity house. I too came from a big Cornell family and my older brother almost didn't graduate because he had too many parking tickets. Cornell has always been a "walkable" campus dating back to when my great Uncle was there in the 1920's. I find it ironic the Cornell admin wants our students walking everywhere which is probably a good thing, but then they push our already limited sports facilities off campus.
The reality is when a Ivy League recruit visits Cornell, especially for sports like football where they walk into our stadium (which is in terrible condition) then that same student-athlete visits Princeton, Harvard, or even Dartmouth it's practically a no-brainer where they are going and it's not the East Hill. The Princeton stadium is incredibly impressive and Dartmouth's is nearly brand new. Meanwhile I have heard Harvard is renovating their stadium and even prior to the renovations the Crimson usually leads the Ivy League in home game attendance. Again, if you're a top Ivy League recruit from places like Florida, Texas, and California some of these kids are playing in 10K plus seat stadiums that are full every Friday night.
The issue is the product, not the buyers. If you have a team that wins, people will come. People will most definitely come.
I don't agree. People don't come to watch Cornell lacrosse, nor Harvard football. Lynah attendance doesn't seem to oscillate based on recent success.
More bad news for the football team. I heard Jake Stebbins could be out for the season with an ACL injury. Being a 5th year player is football career would be over.
If this is for all students then it needs to be on campus. One or two of the Upper Alumni fields would have to give way, or something else would have to come down. It could replace the Schoellkopf Crescent parking lot. Maybe it could go atop the Hoy parking garage (add a few pilings) with a lower level where the Schoellkopf West stands were; BU has one or two fields atop a recently built parking deck. If the Schoellkopf field was moved closer to the Crescent and the former track removed, there'd be quite a bit of room.
Maybe it's time to replace Teagle Hall and its swimming pool.
Putting an all-students fit-rec center a mile or two off campus doesn't make sense. Putting up a field house (indoor field) is a competitive advantage now, in 10 years the lack will be a disadvantage. The president should see herself as part of a continuum of leadership and think about what Cornell wants and needs, not just her personal opinion.
I thought the current plan was to go where the soccer field is?
havent heard how the synchrotron will like the construction though?
Believe Cornell was considering two on-campus sites for the new rec center, which would be used by both students & teams.
Quote from: billhowardIf this is for all students then it needs to be on campus. One or two of the Upper Alumni fields would have to give way, or something else would have to come down. It could replace the Schoellkopf Crescent parking lot. Maybe it could go atop the Hoy parking garage (add a few pilings) with a lower level where the Schoellkopf West stands were; BU has one or two fields atop a recently built parking deck. If the Schoellkopf field was moved closer to the Crescent and the former track removed, there'd be quite a bit of room.
Maybe it's time to replace Teagle Hall and its swimming pool.
Putting an all-students fit-rec center a mile or two off campus doesn't make sense. Putting up a field house (indoor field) is a competitive advantage now, in 10 years the lack will be a disadvantage. The president should see herself as part of a continuum of leadership and think about what Cornell wants and needs, not just her personal opinion.
It's past due time.
Quote from: CASBelieve Cornell was considering two on-campus sites for the new rec center, which would be used by both students & teams.
Any idea where?
The Colgate fans in front of me booed Nikki Moore as soon as her name was announced. The death of President Garrett hurt the athletic cause as she was pro athletic. Optics matter and a College President should at least show up at sports events time to time. IMO Cornell has been lacking for years in good recreational and intramural indoor spaces.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CASBelieve Cornell was considering two on-campus sites for the new rec center, which would be used by both students & teams.
Any idea where?
This is the most recent master plan. https://masterplan.cornell.edu/
Quote from: upprdeckI thought the current plan was to go where the soccer field is?
havent heard how the synchrotron will like the construction though?
The master plan works around the ring.
FYI, Cornell is going to ruin your Friday night instead of your Saturday afternoon. https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/10/5/cornell-harvard-football-game-shifts-to-espn2-on-friday-night.aspx
Yes- Cornell has lacked the proper leadership to move both Varsity athletics and general student sporting endeavors forward!
I agree, Beth Garrett would have been awesome. Our current president is MIA when it comes to athletics and the needs of our student athletes, especially in regard to enhancing the facilities needed to win. Our peer institutions are far ahead of us. Hey, at least we have a new spot for the synchrotron!
Even as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
Not sure if you're lumping athletics facilities into this, but outdated venues for student, faculty, and staff recreation are definitely unacceptable, especially at a school like Cornell. I remember several months ago a poster here leaving an article about the bad shape of the pool at Teagle. That should never be a story
The school prides itself on its top notch academics, community programing and alumni outreach-why shouldn't athletics and University wide recreational opportunities, facilities, et al, be held to the same standard? Our peer Ivy's certainly do, including MIT; not even in the league!
I and others are not saying athletics should be a priority, just bring them into the current decade and demonstrate to the students and families that pay exorbitant tuition, that you actually care about their collective well-being outside the academic arena!!
I have always believed athletics and physical fitness are just as important in high school and college as academics. For example, one of my former Cornell teammates has been both very successful in the world of finance and today is a scratch golfer. He recently retired and enjoys playing tournament golf around the northeast. It's great to be a 4.0 computer science major, but in life you also have to get along with people. One of the biggest problems we have in the business and professional world is employees who are poor teammates and lack communication skills. For example, we have one guy in our company who is absolutely brilliant but he's a little odd and struggles with the social skills. He doesn't exactly exercise either.
If you're a student-athlete you may need to work harder on the academic side to be successful. On the other hand, if your a brilliant student, you may need to work harder on your physical fitness and people skills. I have a friend who was a track star in college and is now a professor at Harvard. At age 62 she can still run circles around most of her students at Harvard. On the other hand, she had to work very hard on the academic side to be successful. I have heard she is a very popular professor at Harvard.
Isn't that what the Ivy League is all about? After all it's a sports conference and not an academic affiliation.
Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
I'd go a little beyond money-making and say that college sports can make the experience of college better for much of the student body, on the same level as a pleasant campus (aesthetically pleasing buildings, quads you want to spend time on, nice views), good student unions/dining halls, school traditions (songs, a capella concerts, food trucks, whatever), etc. But yes, I'm also not comfortable saying they should be of paramount importance. E.g., I was dismayed at university presidents who decided keeping varsity sports going in 2020-2021 was more important than student health.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
I'd go a little beyond money-making and say that college sports can make the experience of college better for much of the student body, on the same level as a pleasant campus (aesthetically pleasing buildings, quads you want to spend time on, nice views), good student unions/dining halls, school traditions (songs, a capella concerts, food trucks, whatever), etc. But yes, I'm also not comfortable saying they should be of paramount importance. E.g., I was dismayed at university presidents who decided keeping varsity sports going in 2020-2021 was more important than student health.
Agree.Renewing quality faculty tops all.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
I'd go a little beyond money-making and say that college sports can make the experience of college better for much of the student body, on the same level as a pleasant campus (aesthetically pleasing buildings, quads you want to spend time on, nice views), good student unions/dining halls, school traditions (songs, a capella concerts, food trucks, whatever), etc. But yes, I'm also not comfortable saying they should be of paramount importance. E.g., I was dismayed at university presidents who decided keeping varsity sports going in 2020-2021 was more important than student health.
Agree.Renewing quality faculty tops all.
Couldn't agree more. Currently reading
American Prometheus, great to see how many Cornell faculty are considered to be the 20th century's greatest physicists - Bethe, Feynman, Wilson, as well as alumnus Isidor Rabi.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
I'd go a little beyond money-making and say that college sports can make the experience of college better for much of the student body, on the same level as a pleasant campus (aesthetically pleasing buildings, quads you want to spend time on, nice views), good student unions/dining halls, school traditions (songs, a capella concerts, food trucks, whatever), etc. But yes, I'm also not comfortable saying they should be of paramount importance. E.g., I was dismayed at university presidents who decided keeping varsity sports going in 2020-2021 was more important than student health.
Agree.Renewing quality faculty tops all.
Couldn't agree more. Currently reading American Prometheus, great to see how many Cornell faculty are considered to be the 20th century's greatest physicists - Bethe, Feynman, Wilson, as well as alumnus Isidor Rabi.
Also reading it. Cornell's 20th century reputation was based on world-class faculty, such as: Bethe, Hoffman, Rossiter, Lafeber, Lowi, Bronfenbrenner et al. I'm sure folks here can add others.
Carothers?
No clock or down and yardage.
Down by two TDs..like at Yale
Announcers said Carothers is injured.
Quote from: CASAnnouncers said Carothers is injured.
Then Tillman (assuming he's healthy) should play a lot, as he's our best back anyway.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: CASAnnouncers said Carothers is injured.
Then Tillman (assuming he's healthy) should play a lot, as he's our best back anyway.
Not from what I saw in New Haven.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: CASAnnouncers said Carothers is injured.
Then Tillman (assuming he's healthy) should play a lot, as he's our best back anyway.
Not from what I saw in New Haven.
Going by last season. But perhaps Carothers has surpassed him.
Anyway, our defense, which started the season looking decent, has fallen apart without Stebbins. Harvard will likely put up 50 on us
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: CASAnnouncers said Carothers is injured.
Then Tillman (assuming he's healthy) should play a lot, as he's our best back anyway.
Not from what I saw in New Haven.
TD drive, Pope was impressive and Wang did a great job. Unfortunately this team can't tackle at all and Harvard flew back down the field. 21-7 H.
Some good looks on the reply drive but the team ran out of time. Kennedy hits a fire drill FG from 43 as a running clock expires.
21-10 at the half.
Defense in shambles. One stop, but Harvard flies down the field on the second drive of the half. 28-10.
Another solid drive led by Wang and he finished it himself with a 4 yard TD. 28-17.
Trade 3 and out, Harvard QB games a handoff and runs straight up the middlefor a 58 yard TD run. He's got to have 150 yards on the ground.
Cornell blocks its econd PAT of the game. 34-17.
Zero response to that guy all night. How do we not have our fastest defensive back "spying" him?
Quote from: Scersk '97Zero response to that guy all night. How do we not have our fastest defensive back "spying" him?
Broke off another big run before throwing a dime for yet another TD. I decided that was enough before the PAT so it was 40-17 when I bailed.
No worries, Cornell will end up 8-2 or is that 2-8. :-D
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Scersk '97Zero response to that guy all night. How do we not have our fastest defensive back "spying" him?
Broke off another big run before throwing a dime for yet another TD. I decided that was enough before the PAT so it was 40-17 when I bailed.
I very, very rarely bail on a game. This night is the exception that proves the rule.
Superior speed and athleticism on Harvard's part proves the difference. Not sure what is going with secondary-several blown coverages during the Harvard game.
Has anybody without cable tried to watch Cornell football on ESPN+? I tried and it told me to go to espn.com/activate to log in with my cable provider. I think I was already logged in to my ESPN account on the Roku (I have the soon-to-be-expensive Disney+ bundle), since I was able to watch cricket highlights afterwards.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Has anybody without cable tried to watch Cornell football on ESPN+? I tried and it told me to go to espn.com/activate to log in with my cable provider. I think I was already logged in to my ESPN account on the Roku (I have the soon-to-be-expensive Disney+ bundle), since I was able to watch cricket highlights afterwards.
Just a guess, but could it have been because last night's game was on ESPN2? I don't think those games are included with ESPN+, so that's probably why they wanted the cable login to steam it.
Quote from: WederQuote from: jtwcornell91Has anybody without cable tried to watch Cornell football on ESPN+? I tried and it told me to go to espn.com/activate to log in with my cable provider. I think I was already logged in to my ESPN account on the Roku (I have the soon-to-be-expensive Disney+ bundle), since I was able to watch cricket highlights afterwards.
Just a guess, but could it have been because last night's game was on ESPN2? I don't think those games are included with ESPN+, so that's probably why they wanted the cable login to steam it.
This seems correct to me.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: WederQuote from: jtwcornell91Has anybody without cable tried to watch Cornell football on ESPN+? I tried and it told me to go to espn.com/activate to log in with my cable provider. I think I was already logged in to my ESPN account on the Roku (I have the soon-to-be-expensive Disney+ bundle), since I was able to watch cricket highlights afterwards.
Just a guess, but could it have been because last night's game was on ESPN2? I don't think those games are included with ESPN+, so that's probably why they wanted the cable login to steam it.
This seems correct to me.
I no longer have cable, but streamed the first three quarters on ESPN+, part of my Disney+ package. Spectrum in Rochester is my internet provider.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: WederQuote from: jtwcornell91Has anybody without cable tried to watch Cornell football on ESPN+? I tried and it told me to go to espn.com/activate to log in with my cable provider. I think I was already logged in to my ESPN account on the Roku (I have the soon-to-be-expensive Disney+ bundle), since I was able to watch cricket highlights afterwards.
Just a guess, but could it have been because last night's game was on ESPN2? I don't think those games are included with ESPN+, so that's probably why they wanted the cable login to steam it.
This seems correct to me.
I no longer have cable, but streamed the first three quarters on ESPN+, part of my Disney+ package. Spectrum in Rochester is my internet provider.
Hmm, I'm in Rochester with Greenlight, but I thought ESPN restrictions were based on cable subscriptions, not ISPs. Of course, I didn't try too hard given the score that was listed next to the game...
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: George64Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: WederQuote from: jtwcornell91Has anybody without cable tried to watch Cornell football on ESPN+? I tried and it told me to go to espn.com/activate to log in with my cable provider. I think I was already logged in to my ESPN account on the Roku (I have the soon-to-be-expensive Disney+ bundle), since I was able to watch cricket highlights afterwards.
Just a guess, but could it have been because last night's game was on ESPN2? I don't think those games are included with ESPN+, so that's probably why they wanted the cable login to steam it.
This seems correct to me.
I no longer have cable, but streamed the first three quarters on ESPN+, part of my Disney+ package. Spectrum in Rochester is my internet provider.
Hmm, I'm in Rochester with Greenlight, but I thought ESPN restrictions were based on cable subscriptions, not ISPs. Of course, I didn't try too hard given the score that was listed next to the game...
I also have Roku. The ISP doesn't matter, as long as they carry ESPN. Weder is correct that ESPN/2/U games require a cable login while ESPN+ games need an ESPN subscription (or Disney/Hulu bundle). Roku can process either password but the ESPN app will make you input both via Roku eventually.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Scersk '97Zero response to that guy all night. How do we not have our fastest defensive back "spying" him?
Broke off another big run before throwing a dime for yet another TD. I decided that was enough before the PAT so it was 40-17 when I bailed.
I very, very rarely bail on a game. This night is the exception that proves the rule.
I wasn't even planning to watch as much as I did tbh but eventually I did decide that I couldn't keep watching the middle of the field open up like the Nile for the Israelites.
I watched the game with some friends who had us over for the evening. It was great having Cornell football on ESPN2 and I enjoy night games. Sadly once again Cornell was blown out on national TV. Our offense played pretty well, but the defense just got run over by the Harvard QB. It seems every time I attend a Cornell football game or watch the game on television we always lose. Cornell is a great university, but I am tired of our team always being at of the bottom of the Ivy League.
Yes it was an espn2 game not an espn+ game. You need an ESPN acct to view it.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
I'd go a little beyond money-making and say that college sports can make the experience of college better for much of the student body, on the same level as a pleasant campus (aesthetically pleasing buildings, quads you want to spend time on, nice views), good student unions/dining halls, school traditions (songs, a capella concerts, food trucks, whatever), etc. But yes, I'm also not comfortable saying they should be of paramount importance. E.g., I was dismayed at university presidents who decided keeping varsity sports going in 2020-2021 was more important than student health.
Agree.Renewing quality faculty tops all.
Couldn't agree more. Currently reading American Prometheus, great to see how many Cornell faculty are considered to be the 20th century's greatest physicists - Bethe, Feynman, Wilson, as well as alumnus Isidor Rabi.
Also reading it. Cornell's 20th century reputation was based on world-class faculty, such as: Bethe, Hoffman, Rossiter, Lafeber, Lowi, Bronfenbrenner et al. I'm sure folks here can add others.
Nabokov, Becker, Mommsen, Ammons, Feynman, Malinowski, Rawls.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
I'd go a little beyond money-making and say that college sports can make the experience of college better for much of the student body, on the same level as a pleasant campus (aesthetically pleasing buildings, quads you want to spend time on, nice views), good student unions/dining halls, school traditions (songs, a capella concerts, food trucks, whatever), etc. But yes, I'm also not comfortable saying they should be of paramount importance. E.g., I was dismayed at university presidents who decided keeping varsity sports going in 2020-2021 was more important than student health.
Agree.Renewing quality faculty tops all.
Couldn't agree more. Currently reading American Prometheus, great to see how many Cornell faculty are considered to be the 20th century's greatest physicists - Bethe, Feynman, Wilson, as well as alumnus Isidor Rabi.
Also reading it. Cornell's 20th century reputation was based on world-class faculty, such as: Bethe, Hoffman, Rossiter, Lafeber, Lowi, Bronfenbrenner et al. I'm sure folks here can add others.
Nabokov, Becker, Mommsen, Ammons, Feynman, Malinowski, Rawls.
this is the worst offensive line i've ever seen. archer has to go.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyEven as a rabid hockey fan I gotta ask: why should athletics be a priority? If it's a net revenue generator then, fine, use it as an engine to fund legitimate academic pursuits. But if it loses money... fuck it. It's a bauble for a minority of students, usually quite wealthy students, who often don't belong on campus anyway.
I'd go a little beyond money-making and say that college sports can make the experience of college better for much of the student body, on the same level as a pleasant campus (aesthetically pleasing buildings, quads you want to spend time on, nice views), good student unions/dining halls, school traditions (songs, a capella concerts, food trucks, whatever), etc. But yes, I'm also not comfortable saying they should be of paramount importance. E.g., I was dismayed at university presidents who decided keeping varsity sports going in 2020-2021 was more important than student health.
Agree.Renewing quality faculty tops all.
Couldn't agree more. Currently reading American Prometheus, great to see how many Cornell faculty are considered to be the 20th century's greatest physicists - Bethe, Feynman, Wilson, as well as alumnus Isidor Rabi.
Also reading it. Cornell's 20th century reputation was based on world-class faculty, such as: Bethe, Hoffman, Rossiter, Lafeber, Lowi, Bronfenbrenner et al. I'm sure folks here can add others.
Nabokov, Becker, Mommsen, Ammons, Feynman, Malinowski, Rawls.
I was going to add Salpeter if we broadened the original list to Astrophysics. Of course Sagan was a large part of inspiring me to go to Cornell (at least 11-year-old me). A lot of Cornell's major planetary science contributions came in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, so probably a later time period than people are thinking of.
Quote from: ugarteI wasn't even planning to watch as much as I did tbh but eventually I did decide that I couldn't keep watching the middle of the field open up like the Nile for the Israelites.
Good one. I thought maybe it was the Suez Canal. And us fans were aboard the Costa Concordia.
Not a good weekend for the Bills, either. OTOH, on alternativing weekends, the Bills could win the Super Bowl. But not if you have to play 3-4 games to get there.
Quote from: billhowardNot a good weekend for the Bills, either. OTOH, on alternativing weekends, the Bills could win the Super Bowl. But not if you have to play 3-4 games to get there.
The Bills play the Giants next, so there's an easy win there.
This could be the year the Bills get to the Super Bowl in search of an unprecedented 0-5 record.
Quote from: billhowardThis could be the year the Bills get to the Super Bowl in search of an unprecedented 0-5 record.
As long as they lose to the Eagles, I'm good with it.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: billhowardThis could be the year the Bills get to the Super Bowl in search of an unprecedented 0-5 record.
As long as they lose to the Eagles, I'm good with it.
There was a big Cornell alumni event, CALC, the weekend of the Eagles' victory, and it was kinda icky to see the light poles had been greased up to avoid revelers injuring themselves.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: billhowardThis could be the year the Bills get to the Super Bowl in search of an unprecedented 0-5 record.
As long as they lose to the Eagles, I'm good with it.
There was a big Cornell alumni event, CALC, the weekend of the Eagles' victory, and it was kinda icky to see the light poles had been greased up to avoid revelers injuring themselves.
A Philly tradition: https://billypenn.com/2022/10/23/philadelphia-grease-the-poles-phillies-nlcs-crisco/
Cornell-Penn football is an old tradition and I don't think they grease up anything for that weekend.
Quote from: billhowardCornell-Penn football is an old tradition and I don't think they grease up anything for that weekend.
Beating us so often while piling up championships we only dreamt of became so commonplace there was no longer any excitement for them. Maybe they greased some palms to get out of being our "traditional rival" so they could try to associate with the likes of Old Nassau for the final weekend instead. Left us to forge that meaningful "Empire Cup" or whatever with that powerhouse Columbia.
I think they should play the Empire Cup (Cornell vs. Columbia) game in New York City every year, last game of the season similar to the old Cornell vs. Penn game in Philly over Thanksgiving. But host it the weekend before Thanksgiving as they do now, as doing it on Turkey Day makes it complicated for many families. When they play the game in Ithaca the weather is usually cold and very few fans show up, where NYC is a good ten degrees warmer and November is a great time to be in Manhattan. Last year we had a nice Cornell crowd for the Columbia game in the City. I think if the game was properly promoted with a huge contingent of Cornell & Columbia alums living in the NY Metro area they could sell out Kraft Field every November, similar to the Harvard vs. Yale or Lehigh vs. Lafayette rival games. It would also help recruiting and fundraising for both Cornell and Columbia football programs. This plays well with Cornell's new Tech Campus and Medical School in the City it's practically a home game for the Big Red. Follow up with the Big Apple Classic hockey game the next week, it's a win-win all the way around.
Quote from: Local MotionI think they should play the Empire Cup (Cornell vs. Columbia) game in New York City every year, last game of the season similar to the old Cornell vs. Penn game in Philly over Thanksgiving. But host it the weekend before Thanksgiving as they do now, as doing it on Turkey Day makes it complicated for many families. When they play the game in Ithaca the weather is usually cold and very few fans show up, where NYC is a good ten degrees warmer and November is a great time to be in Manhattan. Last year we had a nice Cornell crowd for the Columbia game in the City. I think if the game was properly promoted with a huge contingent of Cornell & Columbia alums living in the NY Metro area they could sell out Kraft Field every November, similar to the Harvard vs. Yale or Lehigh vs. Lafayette rival games. It would also help recruiting and fundraising for both Cornell and Columbia football programs. This plays well with Cornell's new Tech Campus and Medical School in the City it's practically a home game for the Big Red. Follow up with the Big Apple Classic hockey game the next week, it's a win-win all the way around.
Interesting idea. I hope it's explored thoroughly.
Right now at Cornell the only well attended game we have is Homecoming and the crowds are usually gone for the remainder of the home games, but then again we have not even challenged for an Ivy League title since 1999.
I think Harvard and Yale have a huge recruiting advantage with "The Game", which they should as both schools have done a great job promoting that rivalry for many years. My thought is having the Cornell vs. Columbia game in NYC as the last game every year would be kind of like our own bowl game (Empire Cup) and give the rivalry more significance. Plus November is a great time of year to visit Manhattan with all the great shows, holiday decorations, and awesome restaurants. Last year my wife and I stayed in a nice hotel in Manhattan near Central Park. I got up in the morning and had a nice run in the park, then we took the subway north to Columbia (Kraft Field) had a tailgate with some friends and enjoyed the game. Then we met up with some family for dinner in the Big Apple after the game. It was so much fun!!! Meanwhile it's not like NYC alums are going to travel to Ithaca in late November.
What is the ease of travel for the alumni of hard/yale for the game vs any alumni of cornell?
What number of alumni live within a 30-60 min drive of the game?
For Cornell I cnat imagine its even close to 10% live within 2-3 hrs drive.
harvard and yale do not have a huge recruiting advantage for "the game," they have a huge recruiting advantage because they are harvard and yale.
Playing Cornell vs. Columbia football, now the season-ender, every year in NYC has disadvantages:
* Every year is a home game for Columbia
* Every year since 2017, Cornell has played ice hockey at Madison Square Garden on Thanksgiving Saturday, BU on odd years, someone else also distinguished on even years, UConn in 2022. When Cornell classes want to do pre-game events, there's competition between the football tailgate vs. the hockey classes receptions a week later in MSG-adjacent bars. Our class does one not but not two most years, and usually it's hockey. That might change if football was more competitive.
To put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
Bucknell 1-4 0-2 Patriot League
@Cornell 2-2 1-1 Ivy League
1 pm, Schoellkopf, 10/14/23, weather likely 55, rainy
Cornell should have a decent chance. Home game for Cornell, and Bucknell gives up lots of points: 38 to JMU (38-3), 37 to Penn (L37-21), 56 to Lafayette (56-22), 55 to #12 Holy Cross (55-27). Lone win 21-13 in week 2 at home over VMI. Except for the first game, the, ah, Buckies, no, not 'Nells, ah, the Bison, have scored 21-27 points.
Quote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
Quote from: ugarteharvard and yale do not have a huge recruiting advantage for "the game," they have a huge recruiting advantage because they are harvard and yale.
Just have Cornell play Columbia at Madison Square Garden. (http://www.luckyshow.org/football/MSG2.htm)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteharvard and yale do not have a huge recruiting advantage for "the game," they have a huge recruiting advantage because they are harvard and yale.
Just have Cornell play Columbia at Madison Square Garden. (http://www.luckyshow.org/football/MSG2.htm)
Great. Penn is undefeated there, to boot.
wasnt one of the madison square garden's outside anyway?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
Lost to Dartmouth in 1971 on national television. Dartmouth's loss was to Columbia.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
Lost to Dartmouth in 1971 on national television.
On the Hill Street Blues
All I am saying is from a Cornell football fan perspective and logistics with so many of our wonderful alumni living in the NYC metro area, we need to try something different. I have been attending the Cornell vs. Columbia game in NYC over the past few years (each of the every other year) and it's a fun game with a pretty good Cornell crowd. It really has the atmosphere of a home game for Cornell, especially given we have two campuses in the Big Apple.
Would you rather attend this game in Ithaca or NYC? I don't even live in NYC but I think the game is a lot more fun in the city and it's a great venue for Big Red football fans.
Quote from: Local MotionAll I am saying is from a Cornell football fan perspective and logistics with so many of our wonderful alumni living in the NYC metro area, we need to try something different. I have been attending the Cornell vs. Columbia game in NYC over the past few years (each of the every other year) and it's a fun game with a pretty good Cornell crowd. It really has the atmosphere of a home game for Cornell, especially given we have two campuses in the Big Apple.
Would you rather attend this game in Ithaca or NYC? I don't even live in NYC but I think the game is a lot more fun in the city and it's a great venue for Big Red football fans.
Hey, Ithaca and Cortland State have drawn 40k+ twice in NYC
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
Yes down 17-0 at halftime. Per Local Motion's idea I would agree that Cornell-Columbia is an excellent opportunity for an alumni/student engagement and ideally if they got Ivy League approval to play the game on same day as Red Hot hockey every 4 years or so.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
That's some upside down table in 1971. Cornell and Dartmouth first, Columbia !?! Third. Times change
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.
They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there's more alumni there and it's 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.
They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there's more alumni there and it's 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.
Well, we should just build a domed stadium near Cornell Tech and play there permanently, right?
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.
They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there's more alumni there and it's 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.
By this reasoning, the logical place for our games is Taipei.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichHQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.
They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there's more alumni there and it's 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.
Well, we should just build a domed stadium near Cornell Tech and play there permanently, right?
Hey, with a domed stadium in NYC, maybe those two NJ teams that still keep NY in their names would return.
Nice punt. =]
Cornell's penalties show an undisciplined and unprepared team.
Embarrassing- This is just awful, 30 yds on self inflicted penalties and bad scheming. Bucknell is a terrible team, Archer should just resign, along with the entire staff. These kids deserve better as do the alumni.
Whoever calls our plays is simply a dumb fuck.
Terrible call on 4th down. Everyone in the stadium knows Wang is going to keep it- what do they do, they run him into coverage! Oh well, another year of being the laughing stock of the league.
This looks like a bad high school team. How on earth did we beat Yale?
Still a dumb fuck.
The camera work is definitely avant-garde.
It is not important that you see the ball go through the goal posts. It is only important that you experience the frisson of the artificial turf.
Yup- terrible play calling when they needed 7!
Men's soccer at 4.
Women's hockey is up 1-0 in the first period if you want to watch an example of a well-coached Cornell team!
Quote from: dbilmesWomen's hockey is up 1-0 in the first period if you want to watch an example of a well-coached Cornell team!
Thanks. One loss to an 0-4 team. Now staring at another to a 1-4 team. Both at home.::bang::
Quote from: dbilmesWomen's hockey is up 1-0 in the first period if you want to watch an example of a well-coached Cornell team!
Now 1-1 after PSU scores on Cornell's second first period major penalty.
Cornell will be lucky to win another game this season. If the new AD doesn't fire Archer, then just drop the sport.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioMen's soccer at 4.
up 2-0 early
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioMen's soccer at 4.
up 2-0 early
Now 3-0
Cornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardTo put a nicer spin on season-ending partners, in our lifetime there's a good chance a Penn-Princeton matchup would determine the Ivy title (or knock one into / out of contention) while a Cornell-Columbia matchup clarifies who's sixth, seventh or eighth.
[code]IvY Titles Since the Formal Ivy League (1956)
College Titles* Last
Dartmouth 20 2021
Penn 18 2016
Harvard 17 2015
Yale 17 2022
Princeton 13 2021
Brown 4 2008
Cornell 3 1990
Columbia 1 1961
* Includes ties[code]
I hate title ties. Has anybody gone back and resolved all the ties with a decent tie breaker, or is it up to me?
(Whaddya wanna bet when it's done we lose all 3 titles?)
We won the head-to-head with Penn in 1988 and lost it with Dartmouth in 1990. The other one was before my time.
We lost to Dartmouth in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Cornell_Big_Red_football_team), tragically.
Note 43,000+ at Franklin Field for the season finale.
They should have played every game in Philadelphia because there's more alumni there and it's 10 degrees warmer in November. Or something.
So I knew that Cornell-Penn football used to be played in Philly on Thanksgiving every year, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell%E2%80%93Penn_football_rivalry tells me that the first time it was ever played in Ithaca was 1964. I still have fond memories of the 1989 Thanksgiving game at Franklin Field in the snow, which was one of the two Ivy wins in Jack Fouts's unfortunate post-Maxie season.
Quote from: wolcomaCornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.
Nobody cares because for the last decade it's been led by a head coach in David Archer who has never experienced a winning season in his WHOLE coaching career, as either an assistant coach or as head coach. Its way way past time to bring in a head coach and staff with a winning background and the resources to compete like all the other 7 Ivy League schools have for a legitimate chance at winning the Ivy League football championship.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: wolcomaCornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.
Nobody cares because for the last decade it's been led by a head coach in David Archer who has never experienced a winning season in his WHOLE coaching career, as either an assistant coach or as head coach. Its way way past time to bring in a head coach and staff with a winning background and the resources to compete like all the other 7 Ivy League schools have for a legitimate chance at winning the Ivy League football championship.
In fact, he never even experienced a winning season as a player, 2001 through 2004.
As an undergrad and grad student, I never missed a home game. While living in Syracuse, I attended several games each year. Even living in Cleveland, I went to one game annually. Now, living in Rochester, I couldn't bring myself to watch yesterday on ESPN+. I'm learning to appreciate soccer. Alex Harris is amazing.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Ken711Quote from: wolcomaCornell football just did not come to play today. A very winnable game and we still lose. Like I said Cornell does not make it easy to be an alum. My biggest frustration with Big Red football is nobody cares about the program, which is too bad. I am watching the game on TV and they kept showing our lovely parking garage. Well at least Harvard academics have no problem fielding a winning football program, as the Crimson clobbered Howard and move to 5-0.
Nobody cares because for the last decade it's been led by a head coach in David Archer who has never experienced a winning season in his WHOLE coaching career, as either an assistant coach or as head coach. Its way way past time to bring in a head coach and staff with a winning background and the resources to compete like all the other 7 Ivy League schools have for a legitimate chance at winning the Ivy League football championship.
In fact, he never even experienced a winning season as a player, 2001 through 2004.
As an undergrad and grad student, I never missed a home game. While living in Syracuse, I attended several games each year. Even living in Cleveland, I went to one game annually. Now, living in Rochester, I couldn't bring myself to watch yesterday on ESPN+. I'm learning to appreciate soccer. Alex Harris is amazing.
This has to be some kind of NCAA record for experiencing the most consecutive non-winning seasons as a player and coach.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell will be lucky to win another game this season. If the new AD doesn't fire Archer, then just drop the sport.
And use the money we save for an indoor facility for lacrosse and soccer.
Who'd have thought Bill Belichick might be gone from the coaching ranks before a coach near to us? Since the start of the season, one oddsmaking site has said the odds the coach of the 1-5 Patriots being the first ousted has moved up from 50/1 to 20/1.
[b]First Head Coach Fired[/b]
Matt Eberflus +100
Ron Rivera +500
Josh McDaniels +800
Brandon Staley +900
Mike Vrabel +900
Kevin O'Connell +1400
Bill Belichick +2000
Arthur Smith +2500
Brian Daboll +3300
Dennis Allen +3300
Sean Payton +3300
Kevin Stefanski +5000
Todd Bowles +5000
Source: sportsbetting dot ag (Antigua and Barbuda)
Patriots QB Mac Jones is now listed as the first healthy QB likely to be the next one benched.
Halfway through the season, with each team having played five games, there are two bookends, Harvard at 2-0 and Columbia at 0-2, and everyone else -- Brown, Cornell, Yale, Dartmouth, Penn and Princeton -- is at 1-1.
I like to think we can beat Brown Saturday and get the season turned around. That's what I like to think. Three of our last five games are at home.
https://www.gocomics.com/frazz/2023/10/20
Quote from: David Hardinghttps://www.gocomics.com/frazz/2023/10/20
Hey, think happy thoughts about field house, willya?
To beat Brown Cornell players have to cease with the penalties-especially the personal fouls. Run game has to do better-lately Cornell has had too many 3rd and Longs and to keep Brown's potent pass offense off the field.
We're in the second half of the season and only now does Cornell have a home Ivy League game: 1 pm Saturday versus the Brown Bears. Both teams 1-1. In fact, everyone in the Ivies is 1-1 except Harvard at 2-0 (5-0 overall) and Columbia at 0-2. Brown's win was a miracle 28-27 win over Princeton after being down by 14 with 12 to play, then tying in the final minute and winning in OT by blocking a Princeton PAT.
Cornell PR pregame notes: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/10/18/first-home-ivy-action-for-football-begins-when-the-big-red-hosts-brown.aspx
Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.
Quote from: Ken711Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.
Our running back usage never ceases to amaze
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.
Our running back usage never ceases to amaze
otoh incredible cutback by pope for a 7 yard td and cornell is up 14-0 early in the second quarter. the 25 yard sideline pass to laboy that set it up was a solid throw and a great toe-tap.
double post somehow?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Why does Cornell run their smallest RB Ean Pope at 5'7" 170lbs into the line on 3rd and 1? He gets stuffed every time.
Our running back usage never ceases to amaze
Carothers hurt again? Nice Pope cut on TD but too small for primary running back.
Who are these guys.
Pick inside the Brown 20 for Kidd with 1:30ish left in the first half. Cornell dominating 17-0.
Quote from: ugartePick inside the Brown 20 for Kidd with 1:30ish left in the first half. Cornell dominating 17-0.
FG as the clock expires. 20-0 at the half.
Quote from: mike1960Who are these guys.
5 year extension
26-0. Wait, what?
Quote from: Trotsky26-0. Wait, what?
Now 33. Pick 6.
Throwing over the middle 10-20 yards downfield. New development.
Why do we keep running a back from nine yards behind the line? Does it ever work?
I think the answer to any question about this team that starts "Why?" can be answered by "Because Archer is a lousy coach."
36-14 win that Cornell fans still make sound like the worst day of their lives.
And Princeton just scored to take a 21-14 lead on Harvard with just over a minute left.
Quote from: ugarte36-14 win that Cornell fans still make sound like the worst day of their lives.
Indeed! Princeton just went up by 7 against Harvard very late. Likely logjam at 2-1 in the standings.
Five teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
I think we all know that with Cornell football 0-4 is always a possibility.
Quote from: billhowardFive teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardFive teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,
No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardFive teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,
No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.
How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardFive teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,
No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.
How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.
Finishing 1-3 would result in a 4-6 season, not 5-5. That's where the confusion is coming from.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Ken711Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardFive teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,
No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.
How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.
Finishing 1-3 would result in a 4-6 season, not 5-5. That's where the confusion is coming from.
Correct. It's the Ivy League record that matters in any case! It's hard to believe but Archer has had a losing Ivy record in each of his past 9 seasons. Ending with another losing record should they finish 1-3, should be the end of his time here.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Al DeFlorioi
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardFive teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,
No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.
How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.
You highlighted Bill's "a 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell" and said that would be "far from a decent year" because it would mean a 3-4 Ivy record. To get to 5-5 from 3-3 today, Bill's "decent year" that you disparaged, would mean a 4-3 Ivy season.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Quote from: Al DeFlorioi
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardFive teams are 2-1, including Cornell. Brown and almost unanimous pre-season favorite Yale are 1-2, and Columbia is 0-3.
Team Ivy Overall
Princeton 2-1 3-3
Dartmouth 2-1 3-3
Harvard 2-1 5-1
Penn 2-1 5-1
Cornell 2-1 3-3
Brown 1-2 3-3
Yale 1-2 3-3
Columbia 0-3 2-4
Cornell still has Princeton, @ Penn, @ Dartmouth, Columbia. I could see the last four games breaking anywhere from 3-1 (maybe), could go 2-2 (beat Columbia and ?Dartmouth?), might go 1-3. A 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell.
That would be far from a decent year, since that would mean yet another losing Ivy League Conference record of 3-4,
No, 4-3 Ivy. 1-2 non-Ivy.
How's that? They are 2-1 in the Ivy League now. They have 4 Ivy League games left. If they go 1-3 over those 4 games then they would end up with a 3-4 Ivy record.
You highlighted Bill's "a 5-5 season would be a decent year for Cornell" and said that would be "far from a decent year" because it would mean a 3-4 Ivy record. To get to 5-5 from 3-3 today, Bill's "decent year" that you disparaged, would mean a 4-3 Ivy season.
They are 3-3 now with a nice win over Brown. In my opinion, they need to beat Princeton Saturday or a 1-3 finish is a very real possibility. Beating Penn and Dartmouth away would be a tough task the way they are playing recently. Cornell should beat Columbia at home to end the season. A 4-6 overall record and a 3-4 Ivy record should end Archer's tenure. What more would the new AD have to see.
The last time Cornell had a winning record in the Ivies was 2005.
In the 41 seasons since my Freshman year, 1981 - 2002, they have had 12 winning seasons, one 3-3-1 season, and 28 losing seasons including the last 16.
Note that in the 15 seasons from 1986 - 2000, they had 10 winning seasons. 5 of which were 5-2 or better. For that period, they were... cromulent.
my guess is that better coach probably costs more money.. Does it also bring in more money?
Are Ivy league recruits really choosing between schools based on the coach? Such a vanishingly small number go on to the pros, I would think the school, the strength of their major, and even the location were far more decisive in their choice.
Does football have a classic major, the way hockey has (or used to have) Ag Ec and Hotel Management?
Wave of Cornell football players announce transfer intentions (https://ithacavoice.org/2023/10/wave-of-cornell-football-players-announce-transfer-intentions/) Eleven seniors scheduled to graduate in the spring still have a year of NCAA eligibility due to the 2020 season being canceled and are hoping to play one more year somewhere outside the Ivy League. Cornell won't be any weaker than the team would be if those players just found jobs after graduation.
Brown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioBrown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?
As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioBrown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?
As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.
Penn drives into the red zone but throws an end zone pick with :56 left. Penn has all 3 TOs and Brown looks like it's not going to get fancy so probably a punt with 45-50 seconds left.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioBrown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?
As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.
Penn drives into the red zone but throws an end zone pick with :56 left. Penn has all 3 TOs and Brown looks like it's not going to get fancy so probably a punt with 45-50 seconds left.
sharp coaching by brown. burned a bunch of time on the punt running along the back line of the end zone before stepping out for a safety. Still have a four point lead and get a more advantageous kickoff from the 20 instead of a punt from the end zone... Penn has 33 seconds to go 60 yards with no timeouts.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioBrown 30, Penn 17 start of 4th. Maybe one fewer one-loss teams?
As soon as I turn it on, a whiffed tackle followed by a fade to the end zone to close it to 30-24 with 8:57 left.
Penn drives into the red zone but throws an end zone pick with :56 left. Penn has all 3 TOs and Brown looks like it's not going to get fancy so probably a punt with 45-50 seconds left.
sharp coaching by brown. burned a bunch of time on the punt running along the back line of the end zone before stepping out for a safety. Still have a four point lead and get a more advantageous kickoff from the 20 instead of a punt from the end zone... Penn has 33 seconds to go 60 yards with no timeouts.
11 yard pass... incomplete... incomplete 19 yard pass that hit their best receiver in the hands ... 14 seconds left Brown timeout... sack! Penn can't stop the clock and Brown wins.
Good lord what the hell was that. No defender within 20 yards of a receiver for an 85 yard TD. Princton up 7-0 with 2:32 left in Q1.
Quote from: ugarteGood lord what the hell was that. No defender within 20 yards of a receiver for an 85 yard TD. Princton up 7-0 with 2:32 left in Q1.
Technically it was only a 77yd TD pass. :-D
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteGood lord what the hell was that. No defender within 20 yards of a receiver for an 85 yard TD. Princton up 7-0 with 2:32 left in Q1.
Technically it was only a 77yd TD pass. :-D
At least they responded with a quick drive into the red zone to cut it to 7-3 at the beginning of Q2.
Princeton must be running really confusing patterns because for the second time they had a completely unguarded receiver with room to run, picked up ~30, and they're approaching the red zone again.
Ran off the safety and the underneath route was way way open.
Cornell's pass defense is atrocious.
Absolutely brilliant defensive scheme on 3rd and 10 outside of field goal range with very little left in the half. Let's delay blitz! Because, you know, we really need a sack... to knock them... out of...
Quote from: Ken711Cornell's pass defense is atrocious.
Completely deflating to give that up with 8 seconds left in the half.
4-6 overall record and 3-4 in the Ivy League is the best Cornell can hope for, and that should get Archer fired.
Hey I know Archer's record isn't stellar but let's not forget that the players that have to execute. Two blown coverages lead to touchdowns yesterday. Why do we ablways blame the coaches.
Not "stellar" is a bit of understatement, no?
Quote from: rss77Why do we always blame the coaches.
Because they recruit and train the players?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: rss77Why do we always blame the coaches.
Because they recruit and train the players?
I always find this discussion kind of funny. It comes up all the time. Phil Jackson not a great coach because he had MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq. Buck Showalter shouldn't have been fired because the players underperformed. But it's the coach who teaches and trains the players (and in college, recruits them as well), and who devises schemes for his players to succeed. It's really impossible to separate player performance from coaching because it's the coach's duty to get his players to succeed.
Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage
Quote from: Ken711Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage
Yikes.
Quote from: BearLoverBuck Showalter shouldn't have been fired because the players underperformed.
I buy this one, because Buck didn't decide to raid Assisted Living for our pitching staff. He was IMO the very least of our many problems and I approved of the way he was bringing the babies along.
But he was also one year out from 101 wins, not on a decade-long sub-500 streak. Archer certainly deserved to take the train.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Ken711Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage
Yikes.
Look at the bright side. If he wins one of three he'll be batting 300.
Quote from: martyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Ken711Ten Year Record To Date
Overall games record 29-68 = .299 winning percentage
Ivy League games record 19-48 = .284 winning percentage
Yikes.
Look at the bright side. If he wins one of three he'll be batting 300.
LOL. And that's how the Cornell athletic PR department would spin it. Seriously, there is not an active coach in all of FCS college football that has had such a long run of losing seasons. Nicki Moore needs to inject some life into the football program and finally let Archer go.
Seems to me no matter Archer's record, the PR angle of an unexpected victory against a favored opponent is what keeps him around. Or perhaps it's the path of least resistence for a program with such a low bar for supposed success. In either case, I certainly feel led to believe one "upset" and maybe three or four other wins en route to "beating" the mark set by a preseason poll that perennially buries Cornell is all that is expected of Archer and a program whose ceiling is five wins under a guy who's never seen anything more. I've enjoyed watching Wang et al. make some exciting plays this year towards a couple of suprising wins. But that's Ivy League football -- Cornell beats Brown beats Princeton beats Harvard beats Cornell. Go figure. Leads me to believe Big Red football's not as far off the mark as the records suggest, but it will take an expectations level-set. And that starts with cutting Archer loose and not treating football as an obligatory historical vestige of League membership. Just the modest 2c of an alumnus who enjoys a crisp fall afternoon at the Crescent as much as anyone.
I was not at the Princeton game on Saturday as we had another family commitment. However, I have a good friend who was an All-Ivy League player at Princeton and he volunteers helping local student-athletes in the Chicago area who want to study and play Ivy League sports. His son played lacrosse at Princeton, although very short lived due to two ACL injuries in a row. Meanwhile his daughter ran track at Cornell and loved it. After Princeton beat Cornell I asked him what he thinks of our football program and here's his answers.
1. The word is out your coaching staff has had an ongoing losing record and tough to convince top recruits to play at Cornell given the results over the past ten plus years.
2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
3. Princeton's visiting locker-room at Schoellkopf is terrible which gives other Ivy coaches ammunition not to send players to Cornell.
4. The admissions and financial aid program is very confusing compared to other Ivies. His daughter was a Dyson business major, but not until she applied several times from another college in Cornell to finally get admitted to that program.
Anyway that is his summation for whatever it's worth. Go Big Red!
Quote from: Local Motion4. The admissions and financial aid program is very confusing compared to other Ivies. His daughter was a Dyson business major, but not until she applied several times from another college in Cornell to finally get admitted to that program.
Had a friend close to the program once tell me that this was the reason many recruits who were supposedly otherwise interested ended up at HYP. I expect the rationale extends beyond admissions and financial aid in actuality, but it sure as hell wouldn't help.
There is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..
Quote from: upprdeckThere is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..
A lot of neglect can happen in 25 years is a conclusion one can make.
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Good points. From another vantage point:
If Schoellkopf's visitor locker rooms suck for visiting football players, well, tough, that's a good reason to go to Cornell.
De facto if not de jure, the visitors sit on the far (away from campus; scoreboard side) end of Schoellkopf Field, between the 20- and 40-yard lines. With an attendance of 5525 and a Schoellkopf Crescent capacity of 21,500, there's little chance the Princeton fans felt crowded by Cornell masses.
Is the confusion about Dyson School the part about "why is it so hard to get in to?" that's because the admit rate is lower than the College of Arts & Sciences. A lot of disappointed applicants.
That is not to say Schoellkopf is not aging less than gracefully. It is one of the dozen oldest college football stadiums although Franklin Field, Harvard Stadium and Yale Bowl are older. With the 100th anniversary of Schoellkopf Field coming up, there'll likely be discussion about its condition.
Princeton's new stadium (1997) is a model for what a college football stadium should be including that it's so close to campus that (in Princeton's words), "it stands as an extension of the campus, integrated into the daily life of the University. The stadium concourses are always open, and the facility has served as a meeting and banquet place for many constituents."
Quote from: upprdeckThere is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..
I assume it's just favoritism. If you have alumni pre$$$ence, you get goodies. Otherwise, we remember we're an Ivy.
Did 2010 change the world for Cornell hoops? Were they able to monetize that, or did they immediately sink right back into the well?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckThere is a complete disconnect in Athletics across all the sports.. A few teams over come it, but its still a huge issue with getting better players on the various teams..
I assume it's just favoritism. If you have alumni pre$$$ence, you get goodies. Otherwise, we remember we're an Ivy.
Did 2010 change the world for Cornell hoops? Were they able to monetize that, or did they immediately sink right back into the well?
A coach did, I know that.
Quote from: Local Motion2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
Here's an idea: Sit Together. Thus, visitor section.
Quote from: billhowardPrinceton's new stadium (1997) is a model for what a college football stadium should be including that it's so close to campus that (in Princeton's words), "it stands as an extension of the campus, integrated into the daily life of the University. The stadium concourses are always open, and the facility has served as a meeting and banquet place for many constituents."
The point is well-received, though the UofM for instance would probably take issue with keeping the concourses of Michigan Stadium perpetually open for various logistical reasons. The UofM also boasting a football program, of course, that can support a behemoth facility solely dedicated to it. I like the multi-purpose event space angle as justification for construction of a new football stadium at a smaller college or university (or one with a less lucrative football program), however, to more closely align the interests and goals of the program and those of the university.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Local Motion2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
Here's an idea: Sit Together. Thus, visitor section.
The fact that West Stands haven't been rebuilt is pretty embarrassing. I felt they were pretty important for the non-major sports.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Local Motion2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
Here's an idea: Sit Together. Thus, visitor section.
The fact that West Stands haven't been rebuilt is pretty embarrassing. I felt they were pretty important for the non-major sports.
Andy Noel said at one time there was a long range plan to build more team space (as in locker rooms/weight training) where the West stands stood, with visitor seating above. That was put on the back burner to focus on the Indoor Practice Facility. With that project finally moving towards construction they may look to the West stand project again at some point.
In terms of Schoellkopf, you have to put your mind-set into that of an 18-year old top Ivy League recruit, whether it's football or lacrosse. When those kids walk into Schoellkopf today and then visit Princeton, Harvard, or even Dartmouth we are probably going to lose. For example, we have family in Florida (a top recruiting ground) and I have gone to a couple of high school football games where the stadium seats are around the entire field. I think the seating capacity was over 8-10K for a high school game, but this place looked more like a small FBS college stadium than a high school facility. It was just your typical aluminum high school type bleachers but fully enclosed on all four ends and it almost felt like the big time. That is the reality of AAA+ plus high school football especially in the south and places like California etc. where all the Ivy programs are recruiting.
Quote from: Local MotionIn terms of Schoellkopf, you have to put your mind-set into that of an 18-year old top Ivy League recruit, whether it's football or lacrosse. When those kids walk into Schoellkopf today and then visit Princeton, Harvard, or even Dartmouth we are probably going to lose. For example, we have family in Florida (a top recruiting ground) and I have gone to a couple of high school football games where the stadium seats are around the entire field. I think the seating capacity was over 8-10K for a high school game, but this place looked more like a small FBS college stadium than a high school facility. It was just your typical aluminum high school type bleachers but fully enclosed on all four ends and it almost felt like the big time. That is the reality of AAA+ plus high school football especially in the south and places like California etc. where all the Ivy programs are recruiting.
I'm not sure the answer to Cornell's football recruiting woes is to add MORE empty seats on game day.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Local Motion2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
Here's an idea: Sit Together. Thus, visitor section.
The fact that West Stands haven't been rebuilt is pretty embarrassing. I felt they were pretty important for the non-major sports.
Sorry, but why do we need a visitor's section when the home section is never more than 10% full outside of homecoming?
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Local MotionIn terms of Schoellkopf, you have to put your mind-set into that of an 18-year old top Ivy League recruit, whether it's football or lacrosse. When those kids walk into Schoellkopf today and then visit Princeton, Harvard, or even Dartmouth we are probably going to lose. For example, we have family in Florida (a top recruiting ground) and I have gone to a couple of high school football games where the stadium seats are around the entire field. I think the seating capacity was over 8-10K for a high school game, but this place looked more like a small FBS college stadium than a high school facility. It was just your typical aluminum high school type bleachers but fully enclosed on all four ends and it almost felt like the big time. That is the reality of AAA+ plus high school football especially in the south and places like California etc. where all the Ivy programs are recruiting.
I'm not sure the answer to Cornell's football recruiting woes is to add MORE empty seats on game day.
The takeway point, I think, is the illusion Dartmouth creates, for instance, by arranging about half the number (if not less) of bleacher seats around the playing surface in a semicircular pattern -- more of a "stadium" feel akin to top-line high school programs. I've not attended a football game at Dartmouth, but I imagine the acoustics and atmosphere are somehat better than the single-sided Crescent facing an open parking garage at some distance. But that is postulation.
These kids will come to Cornell to play football if they see on-field success, but of course success is bred from recruiting (and coaching) -- i.e. the sometimes fickle psychology of 18-year-old HS seniors. Schoellkopf seems less "stadium" and more small-time HS bleachers on a larger scale. If number of empty seats relative to capacity was the sole determining factor, though, I'd expect Yale and Penn to be drubbed in recruiting.
Quote from: tychoQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: Local MotionIn terms of Schoellkopf, you have to put your mind-set into that of an 18-year old top Ivy League recruit, whether it's football or lacrosse. When those kids walk into Schoellkopf today and then visit Princeton, Harvard, or even Dartmouth we are probably going to lose. For example, we have family in Florida (a top recruiting ground) and I have gone to a couple of high school football games where the stadium seats are around the entire field. I think the seating capacity was over 8-10K for a high school game, but this place looked more like a small FBS college stadium than a high school facility. It was just your typical aluminum high school type bleachers but fully enclosed on all four ends and it almost felt like the big time. That is the reality of AAA+ plus high school football especially in the south and places like California etc. where all the Ivy programs are recruiting.
I'm not sure the answer to Cornell's football recruiting woes is to add MORE empty seats on game day.
The takeway point, I think, is the illusion Dartmouth creates, for instance, by arranging about half the number (if not less) of bleacher seats around the playing surface in a semicircular pattern -- more of a "stadium" feel akin to top-line high school programs. I've not attended a football game at Dartmouth, but I imagine the acoustics and atmosphere are somehat better than the single-sided Crescent facing an open parking garage at some distance. But that is postulation.
These kids will come to Cornell to play football if they see on-field success, but of course success is bred from recruiting (and coaching) -- i.e. the sometimes fickle psychology of 18-year-old HS seniors. Schoellkopf seems less "stadium" and more small-time HS bleachers on a larger scale. If number of empty seats relative to capacity was the sole determining factor, though, I'd expect Yale and Penn to be drubbed in recruiting.
I've had the pleasure of seeing Cornell lose at every Ivy. My recollection of seeing a game at Dartmouth was that the stadium was entirely without character and featured metal bleachers on both sides of the field with open end zones. Similar but less interesting than Columbia or Colgate.
And yet, Dartmouth has a somewhat proud football tradition. Because where parents put their butts is less important to the recruits than other facilities in an Ivy League that isn't exactly a hot ticket anywhere. And the facilities are only one piece of the puzzle of course.
I agree with RichH that the failure to rebuild the west stands is brutal. It's made worse by the crescent being um.. past its prime. When I was a student, the west stands is where we watched everything but (full size) football. For a while I think one of the coached even made the west stands the football student section.
The stadium facility needs help. But putting bleachers in the end zones isn't making or breaking whether a kid goes to Dartmouth or Cornell.
Other Ivy Stadiums:
Harvard- truly a gem; not on campus but a great place to watch a game
Yale - the bowl is an icon; splinters for everyone; also off campus
Penn- Franklin Field is an icon too; effectively on campus; old but not condemned....
Princeton - the modern stadium that is center stage in Billhoward's dreams. It is modern without being Quinnipiac. On campus. Perfectly nice.
Columbia - off campus; unexceptional in every way
Brown - schoellkopf with less scenery to look at
Dartmouth - unexceptional
Pretty sure that in the Ivy League, only Yale and Princeton have stands on four sides. Harvard and Penn are horseshoes. Columbia, Brown, and Dartmouth have stands on two sides. None of them are modern marvels that are winning recruiting battles. That's more likely coaching, locker rooms, training facilities, etc.
they have the space to put up tents on the west side for the visitors to use..
Quote from: Chris '03The stadium facility needs help. But putting bleachers in the end zones isn't making or breaking whether a kid goes to Dartmouth or Cornell.
Yes, hence the last sentence of my prior. The point, of course, is not one of simply adding more seats to the existing facility (the utility of the west stands for non-full-size football sports notwithstanding). That Yale and Penn can manage to put together successful teams is all the evidence I need to see that an electric atmosphere with lots of butts in lots of seats -- certainly not the hallmark of smaller FCS and Ivy League in particular -- is not a necessary condition. Though Schoellkopf seems to me almost uniquely suited (as does Brown Stadium) to dilute the energy of an already-small crowd, it is certainly my position that there is a broad array of factors weighing on a decision to commit.
Quote from: Chris '03I agree with RichH that the failure to rebuild the west stands is brutal. It's made worse by the crescent being um.. past its prime. When I was a student, the west stands is where we watched everything but (full size) football. For a while I think one of the coached even made the west stands the football student section.
Agree.
maybe if we paid a coach more than 50K a yr they could fix the program.
I think the Crescent is gorgeous, personally.
One of the few lovely remaining structures on a campus plummeting into drab utilitarian treachery.
The old West Stands were basically a high school type of bleachers with 4,000 seats which was probably too big for modern day FCS football. However, if nothing else Cornell needs some West Stand seating for graduation. I am also not advocating a bowl like Yale or other stadium. However, at the very least we need a smaller set of visitor seats similar to Dartmouth's current set-up.
Right now Schoellkopf looks like #$%^&*! on the west side with that ugly parking garage. We are not talking huge money, but say 1,500 elevated seats on that side with a new all-purpose locker-room under those stands. Other Ivies like Yale and Princeton have separate state of the art stadiums for sports like lacrosse. At Cornell, Schoellkopf Field is the only true stadium we have on campus. It would also be nice to bring some soccer games back to Schoellkopf. Six current MLS pro soccer clubs play on Field Turf. A lot more fun to play some bigger but maybe limited soccer games at Schoellkopf than at our much smaller complex on the east end of Alumni Fields.
The only way the area around Schoellkopf will ever be attractive again is to bulldoze everything from the west stands to Carpenter and plant trees.
I go back a ways as I watched my first game in 1963 when CU had Wood and Gogolak and there were 19,000 at game (Band Day). My dad and I watched from the End Zone bleachers. Would like to see West Stands restored to some extent and maybe the University could look at extensive renovation of Crescent to also include some chair backs and gussie up the box seats if they could get a big bucks backer.
the amount of money already put into the crescent is pretty steep. Would they spend millions more for seatbacks with the retro fit that requires.
The Ivy League is a sports conference and not an academic affiliation. If Cornell wants to remain an Ivy League affiliate at the very least our stadium and other athletic facilities should be at Ivy League standards. I know for example, Tim Murphy the head coach at Harvard hates traveling over six hours to Ithaca via bus. I can assure you there are a number of Ivy League coaches who would be very pleased to not travel to Ithaca anymore. The Ivy League is a New England and Mid-Atlantic focused conference. Cornell is the only school that doesn't even have an expressway that takes you directly to Ithaca. That's another reason why I think the Cornell vs. Columbia game should be played every year in NYC. The good news is NYC is in Cornell's DNA. When I travel to Manhattan on business, I enjoy going running in Central Park as I always see other people wearing Cornell gear.
Again Schoellkopf Field is the most heavily used athletic facility at Cornell. It's literally the only stadium we have on campus and at the very least it should be a classic Ivy League venue.
Quote from: Local MotionThe Ivy League is a sports conference and not an academic affiliation. If Cornell wants to remain an Ivy League affiliate at the very least our stadium and other athletic facilities should be at Ivy League standards. I know for example, Tim Murphy the head coach at Harvard hates traveling over six hours to Ithaca via bus. I can assure you there are a number of Ivy League coaches who would be very pleased to not travel to Ithaca anymore. The Ivy League is a New England and Mid-Atlantic focused conference. Cornell is the only school that doesn't even have an expressway that takes you directly to Ithaca. That's another reason why I think the Cornell vs. Columbia game should be played every year in NYC. The good news is NYC is in Cornell's DNA. When I travel to Manhattan on business, I enjoy going running in Central Park as I always see other people wearing Cornell gear.
Again Schoellkopf Field is the most heavily used athletic facility at Cornell. It's literally the only stadium we have on campus and at the very least it should be a classic Ivy League venue.
+1
Quote from: TrotskyI think the Crescent is gorgeous, personally.
While I don't know if I'd call the historic Crescent "gorgeous," I do find it unique, attractive and well-suited for our campus, with more than adequate capacity for most events. It could, however, use some additional amenities and undoubtedly some structural upgrades.
The best way to deal with occasional capacity shortcomings is to build a multipurpose building where the west stands once stood. The space between the parking garage and the field is over 50 feet wide. Locker rooms, weight rooms and some other functions that don't need windows, could be located on the building's west side, while offices, meeting rooms, etc. could face the field. The top floor could have suites where administrators could entertain potential donors, as well as additional enclosed, climate-controlled seating. Potential naming rights abound. The roof level could have open stands, with, perhaps, seats with backs for aged alumni (still more naming opportunities).
All that stuff sounds good but probably in the tens of millions of dollars. To save money Cornell could add those modular multi-purpose locker room and then add 1500 seat elevated grandstands. Adorn the grandstands with eight poles for Ivy League flags. Albany built a beautiful new stadium about ten years ago. They ran out of money for the visitor stands, so they added a smaller grandstand with the CAA league flags flying over head. The stadium looks really nice. I think Albany's goal is to move up to FBS football in the Mid-American conference similar to their western cousin University of Buffalo. If they renovate the stadium again they can move those stands for soccer or another sport.
Like I said before the parking garage on the westside of Schoellkopf on television and the news photo gallery looks like something out of the "Longest Yard". It has to be the ugliest back drop of any program in all of college football. I have no doubt it's a recruiting liability.
Quote from: Local MotionAll that stuff sounds good but probably in the tens of millions of dollars. To save money Cornell could add those modular multi-purpose locker room and then add 1500 seat elevated grandstands. Adorn the grandstands with eight poles for Ivy League flags. Albany built a beautiful new stadium about ten years ago. They ran out of money for the visitor stands, so they added a smaller grandstand with the CAA league flags flying over head. The stadium looks really nice. I think Albany's goal is to move up to FBS football in the Mid-American conference similar to their western cousin University of Buffalo. If they renovate the stadium again they can move those stands for soccer or another sport.
Like I said before the parking garage on the westside of Schoellkopf on television and the news photo gallery looks like something out of the "Longest Yard". It has to be the ugliest back drop of any program in all of college football. I have no doubt it's a recruiting liability.
This sounds really good. I can also imagine students from the College of AAP coming up with amazing plans to refurbish and modernize the entire area.
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyI think the Crescent is gorgeous, personally.
While I don't know if I'd call the historic Crescent "gorgeous," I do find it unique, attractive and well-suited for our campus, with more than adequate capacity for most events. It could, however, use some additional amenities and undoubtedly some structural upgrades.
The best way to deal with occasional capacity shortcomings is to build a multipurpose building where the west stands once stood. The space between the parking garage and the field is over 50 feet wide. Locker rooms, weight rooms and some other functions that don't need windows, could be located on the building's west side, while offices, meeting rooms, etc. could face the field. The top floor could have suites where administrators could entertain potential donors, as well as additional enclosed, climate-controlled seating. Potential naming rights abound. The roof level could have open stands, with, perhaps, seats with backs for aged alumni (still more naming opportunities).
You may have missed this post of mine above, "Andy Noel said at one time there was a long range plan to build more team space (as in locker rooms/weight training) where the West stands stood, with visitor seating above. That was put on the back burner to focus on the Indoor Practice Facility. With that project finally moving towards construction they may look to the West stand project again at some point."
Sorry if this was already answered, but why do we need more seating in a stadium that is consistently 95% empty?
Quite an exciting finish to the Dartmouth-Princeton game on ESPNU this evening. Dart. 23, Prin. 21. 47-yarder by a freshman kicker to win. Two teams (Dartmouth, Princeton) at 3-2 in the Ivies, four(!) at 2-2 (Penn, Cornell, Brown, Yale). Harvard at 3-1 and struggling Columbia at 0-4. Big game for Cornell tomorrow. Believe it or not, they're still in it if they can find a way against Penn (though I certainly have reservation), with a tough road matchup against Dartmouth and a very winnable one at home against Columbia remaining. I've a hard time imagining a Harvard defeat at the hands of Columbia, however, so they're likely to hold onto a solo first through the weekend.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Local Motion2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
Here's an idea: Sit Together. Thus, visitor section.
The fact that West Stands haven't been rebuilt is pretty embarrassing. I felt they were pretty important for the non-major sports.
Sorry, but why do we need a visitor's section when the home section is never more than 10% full outside of homecoming?
No need to apologize. I feel bad that you weren't able to read all the way to the end of my post. The stadium is used for things other than football. Many of those have attendances of less than 1000. Having a smaller set of stands allows the facility to be used without opening the large stands. Without the track, you could also make them much closer to the field surface than the past incarceration. Lower burden on facilities and staffing.
Quote from: RichHQuoteThe fact that West Stands haven't been rebuilt is pretty embarrassing. I felt they were pretty important for the non-major sports.
Sorry, but why do we need a visitor's section when the home section is never more than 10% full outside of homecoming?
No need to apologize. I feel bad that you weren't able to read all the way to the end of my post. The stadium is used for things other than football. Many of those have attendances of less than 1000. Having a smaller set of stands allows the facility to be used without opening the large stands. Without the track, you could also make them much closer to the field surface than
the past incarceration. Lower burden on facilities and staffing.[/quote] that shows why we need an upgrade right there
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuoteThe fact that West Stands haven't been rebuilt is pretty embarrassing. I felt they were pretty important for the non-major sports.
Sorry, but why do we need a visitor's section when the home section is never more than 10% full outside of homecoming?
No need to apologize. I feel bad that you weren't able to read all the way to the end of my post. The stadium is used for things other than football. Many of those have attendances of less than 1000. Having a smaller set of stands allows the facility to be used without opening the large stands. Without the track, you could also make them much closer to the field surface than the past incarceration. Lower burden on facilities and staffing.
that shows why we need an upgrade right there[/quote]
Autocorrect is sometimes strangely appropriate.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Local Motion2. It's ridiculous he traveled all the way from Chicago and we have no visitor section. Some of these big high school programs consistently draw 5-15K in some nice stadiums. Schoellkopf's current condition is not acceptable.
Here's an idea: Sit Together. Thus, visitor section.
The fact that West Stands haven't been rebuilt is pretty embarrassing. I felt they were pretty important for the non-major sports.
Sorry, but why do we need a visitor's section when the home section is never more than 10% full outside of homecoming?
No need to apologize. I feel bad that you weren't able to read all the way to the end of my post.
Ok
Cornell secondary getting burned by the big play again. Penn up 10-0 through one. Eh.
Play-calling still abysmal. Making it impossible to sustain a drive.
1-3 Ivy finish coming up. That should be bye bye to Archer.
Making me less concerned that I didn't bother driving down to the game.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioPlay-calling still abysmal. Making it impossible to sustain a drive.
Considering we actually have a talented QB, it's inexcusable.
Penn dominating on the ground. 125 yards and a TD for Hosley at the half. Yikes.
Want a logical replacement for Archer. Look no further that U. of Penn's Offensive Coordinator Dan Swanstrom. He was went 32-11 (.744) and his teams registered eight wins in all four seasons in which they took led Ithaca College as their head coach. Knows the Ivy League, was a former head coach, and has even lived in the Ithaca area.
Quote from: tychoPenn dominating on the ground. 125 yards and a TD for Hosley at the half. Yikes.
Of course, 68 came on one play, the TD. Big play strikes again.
Nice series to start the half. 4 minutes, a touchdown, and a 2-pt cuts the lead in half. Talk about a hot-and-cold team.
Cornell losing 16-8, Penn blocks a Cornell FG but cocks up the recovery so they take over all the way back at the 4. No matter; RB bounces the run outside and he's gone for a 96 yard TD. 23-8.
I'd have to go back and look, but it seems like very nearly all of the TDs against Cornell over the past couple of weeks have been >50 yarders. Hard to watch.
Real issue is inability to put up points.
Quote from: tychoI'd have to go back and look, but it seems like very nearly all of the TDs against Cornell over the past couple of weeks have been >50 yarders. Hard to watch.
This goes way back to Archer's decision to hire Jared Bakus as his DC. Bakus was the Princeton DC before Cornell hired him, and Princeton was planning to fire him after Princeton went 1-9, 1-9 and 5-5 in his 3 seasons there. This explains why Princeton would let him go in a lateral hiring to another Ivy school.
Quote from: ugarteCornell losing 16-8, Penn blocks a Cornell FG but cocks up the recovery so they take over all the way back at the 4. No matter; RB bounces the run outside and he's gone for a 96 yard TD. 23-8.
Cornell with an actually great response drive that ends in disaster. Catch and run by Laboy on third and long to get to the 2, marred by, to my amateur eye, what looked like a potentially serious hip injury from an awkward tackle. Then, play action incomplete pass, run up the middle for 1, jet sweep for 0, sneak stuffed. Oof.
Wang tried to throw the incomplete pass out of the back of the end zone and accidentally hit a receiver in the hands who then got hit by three defenders at once while he was in the air and the ball looked like it was going to get picked off, then like one of the other receivers might make a crazy catch on the deflection. A real rollercoaster of a single play.
Cornell gets the ball back, crossed midfield, Wang telegraphs his intent on a stop and go sideline route and the safety sides under for an easy pick.
Lack of a big play offense. Offensive pass plays only seem to get 5-7 yards at a time all season long. Kizer had some long touchdowns catches in the Lehigh game. Besides him no blazing speed in the receiver corps plus Kizer has been playing injured. Run blocking g not so hot either.
Cornell now guaranteed its 18th consecutive non-winning season. Well, only 17th, if we don't count 2020 when we didn't play.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: tychoI'd have to go back and look, but it seems like very nearly all of the TDs against Cornell over the past couple of weeks have been >50 yarders. Hard to watch.
This goes way back to Archer's decision to hire Jared Bakus as his DC. Bakus was the Princeton DC before Cornell hired him, and Princeton was planning to fire him after Princeton went 1-9, 1-9 and 5-5 in his 3 seasons there. This explains why Princeton would let him go in a lateral hiring to another Ivy school.
Well, at least defensive fatigue isn't a factor. Hard for it to be when they're on the field for two snaps before the opponent rips off a big scoring play. Just look at the ToP. Big Red had the ball for 38 minutes today to Penn's 22. That tells the story.
That Cornell actually managed to outgain Penn 431 to 365 tells one all they'd need to know regarding Cornell's ability to complete possessions.
I caught the last 5 minutes of the game on TV. The Penn announcers actually had some good things to say about Cornell. Although they were actually more focused on the fact that the Penn running back actually had a chance to beat the school record for yards by a RB, unlikely as that would be if Penn got the ball back (since they'd take a knee rather than run the ball).
Penn dominated Cornell with their running game. I think their freshman RB had something like 260 rushing? I am not sure if I read that yet. Meanwhile when is the last time Cornell football has had an RB rush for over 100 yards? The Big Red was once the tailback U in the Ivy League with Marinaro, Holland, Harmen, Malaga, Oliaro, Levitt, and Siwula.
Quote from: Local MotionPenn dominated Cornell with their running game. I think their freshman RB had something like 260 rushing? I am not sure if I read that yet.
That is correct. Of course, 164 of those yards came on a combined two scoring plays, of 68 and 96 yards, respectively.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I caught the last 5 minutes of the game on TV. The Penn announcers actually had some good things to say about Cornell.
I didn't see the first half, so by the time I started watching it was already 16-0, so I can't speak to how we got there and given that score, it may well be that Penn slacked off a bit which made our team look better than it would have if Penn kept up full effort.
That said, the team played pretty well from what I saw and when they failed it was failures of execution, not gameplanning. I saw the 16-0 score at the half but got distracted by life. When I turned on the game on, it was after we'd scored a TD+2 and while the refs were figuring out where to spot the ball after Penn blocked a field goal attempt that would have cut the deficit to 5.
The play that put the game out of reach was kind of a fluke. Penn took over at the 4, and the first play called for a run up the middle, but the Cornell DL didn't leave any hole at all. Unfortunately, the RB bounced left and there was no contain because everyone committed to the stuff. The cut was nice, he cut back again on a LB and was gone. He almost got caught from behind at around the 10 but heard the footsteps and cut again to shake the trailer. Tip your cap, it was a pretty run for 96.
Cornell responded by driving all the way to the 2 and the failure from there isn't on Archer. The line didn't hold up on the play action and the receiver dropped a throw in the end zone; the RB got stuffed, the sweep got strung out all the way to the boundary, Wang got stuffed. The defense held, Cornell got the ball near midfield and after a first down, Wang through a tunnel-vision pick. The defense held again. Cornell drove inside the 10 again, and Wang threw three incomplete passes.
I think the team is closer than a lot of people want to admit. Probably still not anything that will win the conference or make us collectively happy but not so obviously bad that I think his job is in jeopardy. His standing with the department is probably not terrible because he's an alum, he appears committed to wanting to make a life in Ithaca rather than treating Cornell as a stepping stone, and he does just well enough that it kind of seems like we're on the verge sometimes.
As frustrated as I know we all are, I'm less ready to get the torches than it seems like all of you and have actually kind of reconciled myself to him having forever to figure it out.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I caught the last 5 minutes of the game on TV. The Penn announcers actually had some good things to say about Cornell.
I didn't see the first half, so by the time I started watching it was already 16-0, so I can't speak to how we got there and given that score, it may well be that Penn slacked off a bit which made our team look better than it would have if Penn kept up full effort.
That said, the team played pretty well from what I saw and when they failed it was failures of execution, not gameplanning. I saw the 16-0 score at the half but got distracted by life. When I turned on the game on, it was after we'd scored a TD+2 and while the refs were figuring out where to spot the ball after Penn blocked a field goal attempt that would have cut the deficit to 5.
The play that put the game out of reach was kind of a fluke. Penn took over at the 4, and the first play called for a run up the middle, but the Cornell DL didn't leave any hole at all. Unfortunately, the RB bounced left and there was no contain because everyone committed to the stuff. The cut was nice, he cut back again on a LB and was gone. He almost got caught from behind at around the 10 but heard the footsteps and cut again to shake the trailer. Tip your cap, it was a pretty run for 96.
Cornell responded by driving all the way to the 2 and the failure from there isn't on Archer. The line didn't hold up on the play action and the receiver dropped a throw in the end zone; the RB got stuffed, the sweep got strung out all the way to the boundary, Wang got stuffed. The defense held, Cornell got the ball near midfield and after a first down, Wang through a tunnel-vision pick. The defense held again. Cornell drove inside the 10 again, and Wang threw three incomplete passes.
I think the team is closer than a lot of people want to admit. Probably still not anything that will win the conference or make us collectively happy but not so obviously bad that I think his job is in jeopardy. His standing with the department is probably not terrible because he's an alum, he appears committed to wanting to make a life in Ithaca rather than treating Cornell as a stepping stone, and he does just well enough that it kind of seems like we're on the verge sometimes.
As frustrated as I know we all are, I'm less ready to get the torches than it seems like all of you and have actually kind of reconciled myself to him having forever to figure it out.
If you haven't figured it out in 10 years, you're never going to figure it out I'm afraid. Can we at least expect one winning season in those 10 years of trying to figure it out? Not even having one of those ten seasons where you win more Ivy League games than you lose, forget about ever seriously challenging for the Ivy Championship? Sorry, his time should be up.
Quote from: Ken711If you haven't figured it out in 10 years, you're never going to figure it out I'm afraid. Can we at least expect one winning season in those 10 years of trying to figure it out? Not even having one of those ten seasons where you win more Ivy League games than you lose, forget about ever seriously challenging for the Ivy Championship? Sorry, his time should be up.
I'm not arguing with you! I don't think your position is wrong, much less unreasonable. I'm telling you where my head is at and why i don't waste my energy complaining. I'm not naive, i simply prefer to talk about the micro - the fun and tragic aspects of each game - rather than dwelling on the macro.
I think what has nagged Cornell over the years outside of the Musick and Baughn regimes is that CU can get talent to be competitive but not quite enough get to the top.
Quote from: rss77I think what has nagged Cornell over the years outside of the Musick and Baughn regimes is that CU can get talent to be competitive but not quite enough get to the top.
Jim Hofher had a nice run as HC with success as well.
It's really too bad Jim Hofher left Cornell in 1998 because I think he could have enjoyed a long term successful coaching career at Cornell. I think Hofher was probably frustrated with the lack of support from admissions and financial aid at Cornell. I always liked the way Hofher coached the offense with a nice blend of running and passing the ball. HIe always had a strong running game at Cornell.
It's a tough time at Cornell right now as it's no secret Martha Pollack could care less about Big Red athletics or anything not related to computer science. Is it any wonder why Cornell today has a huge problem with student depression and anxiety on campus? In my opinion Martha Pollack has cast a dark cloud over Cornell ever since she has arrived in Ithaca. I think she is a terrible leader of the Cornell staff and students. Just ask many members of the Cornell staff and our students basically never even see her. At graduation last May my niece said it was the first time she had seen Martha Pollack since orientation her freshman year.
Quote from: Local MotionIt's really too bad Jim Hofher left Cornell in 1998 because I think he could have enjoyed a long term successful coaching career at Cornell. I think Hofher was probably frustrated with the lack of support from admissions and financial aid at Cornell. I always liked the way Hofher coached the offense with a nice blend of running and passing the ball. HIe always had a strong running game at Cornell.
It's a tough time at Cornell right now as it's no secret Martha Pollack could care less about Big Red athletics or anything not related to computer science. Is it any wonder why Cornell today has a huge problem with student depression and anxiety on campus? In my opinion Martha Pollack has cast a dark cloud over Cornell ever since she has arrived in Ithaca. I think she is a terrible leader of the Cornell staff and students. Just ask many members of the Cornell staff and our students basically never even see her. At graduation last May my niece said it was the first time she had seen Martha Pollack since orientation her freshman year.
Andy Noel has a lot to do with any dark shadow over the football program.
During Pollack's presidency, applications for admission & yield have reached new highs, & admit rates record lows. The last two years were the best fundraising years in Cornell's history. And Cornell is planning to build the new indoor athletics facility.
I think on the football side all the school cares about is donations not results.. Donations are up. If they thought having a better fball program would bring in more money then they would spend the time and effort.
I've long believed it costs a lot to win,
but even more to lose. Cornell needs to invest much more in football (coaching salaries, facilities, etc.). I think the investment would generate a return.
When is the last time you have been back to Cornell to speak with either students or staff? I think Martha Pollack is a very good administrator just not a good college president or leader. It's not just the football program right now as Martha Pollack has been a very divisive leader on campus. It's obvious among many of our students and staff they do not like Martha Pollack as she is not visible and does not show empathy. Cornell has had some great presidents, I just think Martha Pollack has been a very poor fit on the East Hill. I think our students deserve a president who brings more positive energy to the East Hill.
Quote from: CASI've long believed it costs a lot to win,
but even more to lose. Cornell needs to invest much more in football (coaching salaries, facilities, etc.). I think the investment would generate a return.
What return would it show.
If you spend 10 million to fix a few things around the program. Where that money come back to ? There is no new TV money no bowl revenue.
Say we become the best in the ivies, what do we get a few thousand more in the stands it would take 50 yrs to get that 10 million back in real dollars.
The boosters drive the programs to succeed.. Even like hockey which generates real money doesn't get any support from the school.
Quote from: Local MotionWhen is the last time you have been back to Cornell to speak with either students or staff? I think Martha Pollack is a very good administrator just not a good college president or leader. It's not just the football program right now as Martha Pollack has been a very divisive leader on campus. It's obvious among many of our students and staff they do not like Martha Pollack as she is not visible and does not show empathy. Cornell has had some great presidents, I just think Martha Pollack has been a very poor fit on the East Hill. I think our students deserve a president who brings more positive energy to the East Hill.
And you base these pronouncements on what? How often have you spoken to Pollack? What student and staff surveys are you citing? Are you also constantly whining about Pollack under a different ID on Voy Forums?
I dont think Pollack is well liked on campus at all and its clear she has no love of sports.
Lot of talk about salaries. What does Archer make? What about the coordinators?
Quote from: CU2007Lot of talk about salaries. What does Archer make? What about the coordinators?
Also, a roster with 116 players. How much does it cost to outfit and coach this many players? How many players must we have? Do other Ivy teams have this many players?
Quote from: CASDuring Pollack's presidency, applications for admission & yield have reached new highs, & admit rates record lows. The last two years were the best fundraising years in Cornell's history. And Cornell is planning to build the new indoor athletics facility.
Not to mention an additional building for Bowers CIS, new Brooks School of Public Policy and Atkinson Center for Sustainability. As much as I'd like to see a better football program, these are what elevate Cornell's profile. While arguably President Pollack is no Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, as an undergrad and grad student on the hill, I don't recall ever seeing Deane Mallott or Jim Perkins.
Hofher was a great coach and student of the game. I remember him as a young man, he's now 66!
I have said Archer should go for years. He is now in year 11 and we are guaranteed no better than .500 this year! How does one remain a coach for 11 years with not one .500+ season?
I was recruited by Musick and had the ill-fated George Seifert as my coach the last two years. He was canned after just those two years (a lot of BS politics were involved) and went on to coach at Stanford and the 49ers.
(I think he still holds the record for fastest NFL coach to 100 wins.) So how does Archer remain Head Coach? Somebody or some group just couldn't care less, I guess. If that is the case, then why continue the charade? JUst say we don't give a crap about football. Alumni are entitled to know the truth!
Clearly, Cornell is capable of having very competitive (even dominant) Ivy League teams. Do we have to go beyond Hockey or Lacrosse to prove this point? And good, competitive teams attract fans. You want a crowd? Just win baby!
Further, it's not like we don't have any talent. The Ivy League wins this year vs. Yale and Brown were not flukes. We have some talented players and they played well!
So it comes down to coaching, pure and simple. Seifert got only two years which was too short. Archer has had 11 with zero plus .500 seasons, In a word, that is ridiculous!
Quote from: George64Quote from: CASDuring Pollack's presidency, applications for admission & yield have reached new highs, & admit rates record lows. The last two years were the best fundraising years in Cornell's history. And Cornell is planning to build the new indoor athletics facility.
Not to mention an additional building for Bowers CIS, new Brooks School of Public Policy and Atkinson Center for Sustainability. As much as I'd like to see a better football program, these are what elevate Cornell's profile. While arguably President Pollack is no Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, as an undergrad and grad student on the hill, I don't recall ever seeing Deane Mallott or Jim Perkins.
I saw Jim Perkins at the end of Parents' Weekend, 1968. ::bugeye::
Quote from: jmeaneyjrSeifert got only two years which was too short. Archer has had 11 with zero plus .500 seasons, In a word, that is ridiculous!
I've always thought that Seifert was let go because Bob Blackman, who was very successful at Dartmouth, had a losing record at Illinois and became available. However, even he had a losing record at Cornell, but not at all comparable to Archer's. Hopefully, new AD Nicki Moore will have less patience than Andy Noel, or Archer will see the handwriting on the wall and resign.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: George64Quote from: CASDuring Pollack's presidency, applications for admission & yield have reached new highs, & admit rates record lows. The last two years were the best fundraising years in Cornell's history. And Cornell is planning to build the new indoor athletics facility.
Not to mention an additional building for Bowers CIS, new Brooks School of Public Policy and Atkinson Center for Sustainability. As much as I'd like to see a better football program, these are what elevate Cornell's profile. While arguably President Pollack is no Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, as an undergrad and grad student on the hill, I don't recall ever seeing Deane Mallott or Jim Perkins.
I saw Jim Perkins at the end of Parents' Weekend, 1968. ::bugeye::
Yes, I recall seeing a picture of him in the New York Times.
Perhaps, but there was a lot more going on and I never heard the Blackman angle at the time. Sadly, I think Noel kind of "mailed it in" for the last few years. The point is that the powers that be seem to be content with a persistent ineptitude. Winning feeds on itself and, unfortunately, losing does too!
I am confident our new AD Nicki Moore will address the football program at Cornell. She comes from Colgate where football has always be a priority in their athletic department, although they have also had issues with coaching turnover as of late.
Again, one of the biggest challenges Nicki Moore will have at Cornell is dealing with Martha Pollack, who since her arrival has made it clear athletics is not a priority for her administration. We can argue all we want, but Martha Pollack is probably the most AWOL and negative president Cornell has had in 50 years. She doesn't care about Ivy League sports and everyone in the athletic department knows that. Her ongoing delays of the new indoor practice facility have driven up the costs significantly as well.
Quote from: Local MotionI am confident our new AD Nicki Moore will address the football program at Cornell. She comes from Colgate where football has always be a priority in their athletic department, although they have also had issues with coaching turnover as of late.
Again, one of the biggest challenges Nicki Moore will have at Cornell is dealing with Martha Pollack, who since her arrival has made it clear athletics is not a priority for her administration. We can argue all we want, but Martha Pollack is probably the most AWOL and negative president Cornell has had in 50 years. She doesn't care about Ivy League sports and everyone in the athletic department knows that. Her ongoing delays of the new indoor practice facility have driven up the costs significantly as well.
Give it a rest with the Martha Pollock talk, it's tiresome. It's the job of the AD to hire and fire coaches.
Ken711.........look we can agree to disagree, but the reality in order for our new AD Nicki Moore to be successful she has to get support from the current administration. Andy Noel had been trying to get the new indoor practice facility built since former president Elizabeth Garrett gave it her blessing back in 2016. Andy wanted on campus and Pollack wanted two miles off campus on Game Farm Rd or what ever they call that place. Andy also fought hard to keep Hoy Field on campus, but Martha Pollack won that battle. Nothing happens on the East Hill without the support of Day Hall.
Quote from: Local MotionKen711.........look we can agree to disagree, but the reality in order for our new AD Nicki Moore to be successful she has to get support from the current administration. Andy Noel had been trying to get the new indoor practice facility built since former president Elizabeth Garrett gave it her blessing back in 2016. Andy wanted on campus and Pollack wanted two miles off campus on Game Farm Rd or what ever they call that place. Andy also fought hard to keep Hoy Field on campus, but Martha Pollack won that battle. Nothing happens on the East Hill without the support of Day Hall.
Andy worked for five different presidents and delivered zero football titles. Maybe he should have cared about football.
Quote from: Local MotionKen711.........look we can agree to disagree, but the reality in order for our new AD Nicki Moore to be successful she has to get support from the current administration. Andy Noel had been trying to get the new indoor practice facility built since former president Elizabeth Garrett gave it her blessing back in 2016. Andy wanted on campus and Pollack wanted two miles off campus on Game Farm Rd or what ever they call that place. Andy also fought hard to keep Hoy Field on campus, but Martha Pollack won that battle. Nothing happens on the East Hill without the support of Day Hall.
Then we can disagree. I know for a fact that Andy was in favor of a new baseball facility, as were the baseball coaches themselves. The decision on whether a coach is determined to be fired, does not come from Day Hall.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Local MotionKen711.........look we can agree to disagree, but the reality in order for our new AD Nicki Moore to be successful she has to get support from the current administration. Andy Noel had been trying to get the new indoor practice facility built since former president Elizabeth Garrett gave it her blessing back in 2016. Andy wanted on campus and Pollack wanted two miles off campus on Game Farm Rd or what ever they call that place. Andy also fought hard to keep Hoy Field on campus, but Martha Pollack won that battle. Nothing happens on the East Hill without the support of Day Hall.
Andy worked for five different presidents and delivered zero football titles. Maybe he should have cared about football.
BINGO!!!
Quote from: Local MotionAndy also fought hard to keep Hoy Field on campus, but Martha Pollack won that battle. Nothing happens on the East Hill without the support of Day Hall.
Cornell's
2008 Master Plan proposes academic buildings on Hoy Field, so Andy was fighting an uphill battle.
the AD didnt care about sports at about the same level as the President does.. the 2 together make it a hard place to be successful.
Well, simply put, you can't expect an AD to cure a problem in her department without the support of the Prez. That's a BOT issue. Will they engage? We'll see...
Yeah, we could beat them. But after the game when parents congregate in the parking lot ... 911 caller: "There's a man with a gun at Joelton community, little league football. There's a guy. He has a gun." This is football for 12-year-olds, not even old enough for N.I.L. rights, probably.
[Tennessee] Police investigate fight, alleged gun threat at Joelton youth football game (https://fox17.com/news/local/police-investigate-fight-alleged-gun-threat-at-joelton-youth-football-game)
Quote from: billhowardYeah, we could beat them. But after the game when parents congregate in the parking lot ... 911 caller: "There's a man with a gun at Joelton community, little league football. There's a guy. He has a gun." This is football for 12-year-olds, not even old enough for N.I.L. rights, probably.
[Tennessee] Police investigate fight, alleged gun threat at Joelton youth football game (https://fox17.com/news/local/police-investigate-fight-alleged-gun-threat-at-joelton-youth-football-game)
Bill, I say this with nothing but kindness in my heart...
what the hell does this have to do with Cornell football?
We already had to wade through as many Fire-Archer messages as comments about the games themselves. I just created a separate thread about Archer's history at Cornell and how he stacks up against past Cornell coaches as well as against other Ivy coaches with at least 5 years of Ivy coaching experience.
Quote from: billhowardWe already had to wade through as many Fire-Archer messages as comments about the games themselves. I just created a separate thread about Archer's history at Cornell and how he stacks up against past Cornell coaches as well as against other Ivy coaches with at least 5 years of Ivy coaching experience.
If we go by such past experience, he's liable to get fired and then go on to win a few Super Bowls.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardWe already had to wade through as many Fire-Archer messages as comments about the games themselves. I just created a separate thread about Archer's history at Cornell and how he stacks up against past Cornell coaches as well as against other Ivy coaches with at least 5 years of Ivy coaching experience.
If we go by such past experience, he's liable to get fired and then go on to win a few Super Bowls.
Or be out of football like former fired HC Tim Pendergast.
I turned on the Dartmouth game, was unironically pleased we were not behind, and then realized only 21 seconds had elapsed.
Quote from: TrotskyI turned on the Dartmouth game, was unironically pleased we were not behind, and then realized only 21 seconds had elapsed.
You just needed to wait another five minutes.
7-0 Dartmouth on a drive which included surprise surprise another long pass (38 yards).
14-0 on another Dartmouth drive which included a 27 yard pass play.
Archer will keep his record of 10 straight years of losing seasons unblemished. :-D
14-0 Green at end of first quarter. Back to hoops.
21-7 Dartmouth at the half.
A real chance at victory today, my friends.
Cornell's football PR staff doesn't have much to work with since they have to rely on Cornell's record under Archer when they publish the following highlights in the game notes for the Columbia game:
* A win over Columbia would improve the conference mark to three wins for the first time since 2019...(never achieved 4 wins or more in ten years at the helm)
* Be the 30th win for Archer.....(in ten years, an average of 2 wins per year)!
Cornell is a 1.5 point favorite at home vs
Columbia, who are 0-6 in Ivy play.
Color on color is great, but it should be Red vs. Columbia in the light blues. Those black pants look stupid on our team, and Columbia looks stupid in general.
Typical. ::rolleyes::
Quote from: CASCornell is a 1.5 point favorite at home vs
Columbia, who are 0-6 in Ivy play.
Columbia has been a perennial doormat in the league, and we've joined them. But I thought a few years ago Columbia brought in a sports consultant who came up with a plan to elevate Columbia football. For a while it seemed to be working.
Can any of you explain what happened to bring the Lions back down to earth?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CASCornell is a 1.5 point favorite at home vs
Columbia, who are 0-6 in Ivy play.
Columbia has been a perennial doormat in the league, and we've joined them. But I thought a few years ago Columbia brought in a sports consultant who came up with a plan to elevate Columbia football. For a while it seemed to be working.
Can any of you explain what happened to bring the Lions back down to earth?
Because their great head coach Al Bagnoli retired before the season due to health reasons.
Cornell's run defense is god awful.
Columbia 7-0, near end of Q1.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell's run defense is god awful.
And the pass defense? Against the worst offense in the league?
Columbia is fired up. Cornell is flat.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Cornell's run defense is god awful.
And the pass defense? Against the worst offense in the league?
Equally as atrocious. Fire Archer!
Just turned it on. Down 10-0 to Columbia. Ouch. Guess I'll turn back to H-Y.
Not what one hoped.
Quote from: mike1960A real chance at victory today, my friends.
damn this is a rough first post to see as i've been watching the game while typing up the wrestling season preview and right after the columbia backup qb ran for a 65-yard touchdown, flat outrunning the defensive backs. at least while i was typing this columbia took a point off the board when they accepted an offsides call on the xp then got stuffed on the two-point rushing attempt. this half has been pathetic with absolutely nothing to like except a single long pass from Wang to Kizer.
Down 19-0! In the first half! This is death. It's almost as if they are trying to get Archer canned.
19-0. Until today, Columbia has averaged 14 points per game.
Quote from: George6419-0. Until today, Columbia has averaged 14 points per game.
This is disgraceful. The only thing worse is Columbia's uniforms.
If David Archer doesn't resign or isn't fired by Monday then Nikki Moore isn't doing her job. It's been obvious since the day Andy hired Archer more than a decade ago!!!!
Absolutely no time to throw the football.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960A real chance at victory today, my friends.
damn this is a rough first post to see as i've been watching the game while typing up the wrestling season preview and right after the columbia backup qb ran for a 65-yard touchdown, flat outrunning the defensive backs. at least while i was typing this columbia took a point off the board when they accepted an offsides call on the xp then got stuffed on the two-point rushing attempt. this half has been pathetic with absolutely nothing to like except a single long pass from Wang to Kizer.
Down 19-0! In the first half! This is death. It's almost as if they are trying to get Archer canned.
You spoke too soon! 22-0 at half.
It's no wonder we no longer play Ithaca College.
And Columbia hits a FG as time expires to go into the half 22-0.
Quote from: arugulaIt's no wonder we no longer play Ithaca College.
lol
Yards in 1st half - Columbia 298, Cornell 75. Is Cornell playing the Georgia Bulldogs?
Quote from: CASYards in 1st half - Columbia 298, Cornell 75. Is Cornell playing the Georgia Bulldogs?
H-Y or Y-H in my house is a great game.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: CASYards in 1st half - Columbia 298, Cornell 75. Is Cornell playing the Georgia Bulldogs?
H-Y or Y-H in my house is a great game.
If Y holds on, the League title splits three ways. Dartmouth up huge on Brown late, 38-13.
Dartmouth is a great story.
Quote from: arugulaDartmouth is a great story.
Certainly is. Good for them. Thrilling finish to the Ivy League football season, a finish with which the Big Red of course had nothing to do.
Quote from: tychoQuote from: arugulaDartmouth is a great story.
Certainly is. Good for them. Thrilling finish to the Ivy League football season, a finish with which the Big Red of course had nothing to do.
Though, as I type that, Cornell's thrilling early road upset against Y mattered in the end... maybe that'll be the PR headline tomorrow... Big Red leads League from behind, helps determine split title.
Cornell driving for the tie if the score a two point conversion.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell driving for the tie if the score a two point conversion.
An astonishingly bad pass.
How on Gods name did we ever beat Yale?
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: Ken711Cornell driving for the tie if the score a two point conversion.
An astonishingly bad pass.
Yep, the only good thing from this loss would be if its finally bye bye David Archer.
Quote from: arugulaHow on Gods name did we ever beat Yale?
Luck on a late FG.
Yes but why was it even close
Finished the year losing 7 of their last 8 games
Perfect ending. Don't step out of bounds and stop the clock. So dumb.
Quote from: arugulaPerfect ending. Don't step out of bounds and stop the clock. So dumb.
The timeout after the lengthy review was really something too.
Okay, thankfully it is over.
Simply put, Archer should be gone tonight. Get serious about it - stop the charade...
Assuming Archer is gone, is there any reason to think a new regime will be any better? Can Cornell do anything to be competitive in football, or are we Brown hockey?
Quote from: jmeaneyjrOkay, thankfully it is over.
Simply put, Archer should be gone tonight. Get serious about it - stop the charade...
The thought is in the right place, but the timing is off. Ideally, Nicki Moore would've met Archer on the field as the teams departed and handed him the pink slip right then and there, as the Arizona State brass did to Herm Edwards early last season.
29-71 overall, 19-51 in the Ivy League, punctuated by a loss at home to a team previously winless in conference.
This should be the end — but the thing is, I don't know that it will be. I wouldn't put anything past anyone in the top echelons of Cornell Athletics at this juncture.
Good question! You have to start with the coach, though. Time for the AD to act.
Eh. Cornell was predicted to finish seventh of eight. Cornell finished seventh of eight. Cornell and Archer are meeting expectations!
/s
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: arugulaPerfect ending. Don't step out of bounds and stop the clock. So dumb.
The timeout after the lengthy review was really something too.
Both of these, SMH.
Quote from: TrotskyAssuming Archer is gone, is there any reason to think a new regime will be any better? Can Cornell do anything to be competitive in football, or are we Brown hockey?
It starts with hiring the head coach, one that surrounds himself with a competent assistant staff. A head coach that has a proven background of winning. Simple answer yes.
I have been big backer of Dave Archer over the years. He bleeds red and white and has been in his "dream job" for 10 years. 30 seniors still being on the team speaks positive that the guys like being in the program. Unfortunately I think it's time to move on. I raise the question of whether football success is possible at Cornell given current conditions.
I spoke with Andy after their huge lopsided 66-0 loss to Princeton on October 27, 2018. That was 5 years and Andy said they were hopeful Archer was going to turn it around. Well now we see how seriously misplaced their hopes were.
Quote from: rss77I have been big backer of Dave Archer over the years. He bleeds red and white and has been in his "dream job" for 10 years. 30 seniors still being on the team speaks positive that the guys like being in the program. Unfortunately I think it's time to move on. I raise the question of whether football success is possible at Cornell given current conditions.
+1. Well said.
As I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.
Quote from: Local MotionAs I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.
You are completely delusional. The football program was a disaster before Martha Pollack, it's a disaster under Martha Pollack, and it will likely be a disaster long after Martha Pollack is gone. I don't even have a perspective on Martha Pollack one way or the other, but one thing I can tell you for certain is that she has almost zero to do with the failures of the football program. Did Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Local MotionAs I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.
You are completely delusional. The football program was a disaster before Martha Pollack, it's a disaster under Martha Pollack, and it will likely be a disaster long after Martha Pollack is gone. I don't even have a perspective on Martha Pollack one way or the other, but one thing I can tell you for certain is that she has almost zero to do with the failures of the football program. Did Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?
I asked CNN and they definitely said yes
Quote from: Local MotionAs I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.
Nope you're wrong again. What Cornell deserves is an athletic director that will do his/her job. Andy failed miserably in overseeing the football program. Nicki Moore has more than enough information on David Archer's ability to be successful or not. Ten straight losing seasons by the same head coach, something never before seen in NCCA FCS coaching history is justification enough to do her job and dismiss if Archer immediately, if he doesn't do the honorable thing and resign on his own. Andy made a cheap quick hire in naming David Archer head coach, who as an assistant football coach had NEVER experienced a winning season in his entire coaching career, nor had he ever advanced to a coordinator coaching position, yet was named the Cornell head football coach. It's time for the new AD to do her job and bring in a new coaching staff with a winning background.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Local MotionAs I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.
You are completely delusional. The football program was a disaster before Martha Pollack, it's a disaster under Martha Pollack, and it will likely be a disaster long after Martha Pollack is gone. I don't even have a perspective on Martha Pollack one way or the other, but one thing I can tell you for certain is that she has almost zero to do with the failures of the football program. Did Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?
+1 well said.
Quote from: Local MotionAs I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.
For fuck's sake how is it Martha Pollack's fault that a student went postal on social media?
This is a bad take and you should feel bad.
Quote from: BearLoverDid Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?
Well if she did that bitch has a lot to answer for. :-(
Quote from: Ken711Ten straight losing seasons by the same head coach, something never before seen in NCCA FCS coaching history
OTOH, just a few more years and he can qualify (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_100_losses).
Note: Bill Klika, the 4th worst winning percentage in NCAA history for coaches with at least 100 losses, did his work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Klika) at Fairleigh Dickinson–Florham. He retired in 2001, but Dave did his assistant coaching gig there in 2006 (where FDF went 2-8).
Can the student surpass the master?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711Ten straight losing seasons by the same head coach, something never before seen in NCCA FCS coaching history
OTOH, just a few more years and he can qualify (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_100_losses).
Qualify for what, Social Security, as he coaches Cornell football until he's 65. :-D
Quote from: arugulaHow on Gods name did we ever beat Yale?
Maybe She thought RBG was better than the Justices coming out of New Haven Law. Or just had a sense of humor.
Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who's fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.
Quote from: arugulaJake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who's fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.
It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.
Syracuse just fired their head coach Dino Barbers. Maybe he wants to stay in upstate NY.
What a good story it would have been had Archer been the one to restore the Cornell football program to something resembling respectibility. But it was not to be, and practicality must take the place of sentimentality (to the extent any such thing exists as far as Archer is concerned). And practicality tells us that it's time for Cornell and for Archer to move on. I wish him well, but he is a failure of a coach, who leaves much on the field with the talent his team already clearly possesses. My fear is that any coach worth hiring will not be interested -- and in any case, player development takes time and the bleeding'll likely continue. But my hope is that a change will bring with it the sort of alumni engagement the program so desparately needs to rebuild the program into something the University at least needn't be embarrassed by. Academics first and foremost -- we know this isn't the B1G or SEC -- but school pride and spirit are important, to students, faculty, and alumni. Football is a part of that, and of the League's DNA. Go Big Red.
Meantime, I enjoyed the League football season as a whole and the finish yesterday. Good parity, with lots of teams in it until late. What a good story at Dartmouth after the Buddy Teevens tragedy, and that H-Y game befitted the history of that rivalry.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyAssuming Archer is gone, is there any reason to think a new regime will be any better? Can Cornell do anything to be competitive in football, or are we Brown hockey?
It starts with hiring the head coach, one that surrounds himself with a competent assistant staff. A head coach that has a proven background of winning. Simple answer yes.
Good points. But a prior question is if Nicki Moore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicki_Moore) can discern & hire such a person.
She spent over a decade as junior AD at U. of Oklahoma, which with regard to football might bode well. But Oklahoma football wasn't exactly a model of championship football or conformance to NCAA rules during this time, and let's not even mention Cornell & U of Oklahoma in the same breath when it comes to academics.
From 2018 to 2023 she was AD at Colgate, which is a better comparison (but academically still considerably inferior) to Cornell. 'Gate did win the Patriot League championship in 2018, but never after that. In fact, during the years she was AD at Colgate, the 2018 football team was the only Colgate team to win a Patriot League championship in any sport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_League).
So, a search for a new coach is cause for optimism, but our current AD's record is not. Let's wish her luck. She's going to need it. ::worry::
Quote from: Ken711Syracuse just fired their head coach Dino Barbers. Maybe he wants to stay in upstate NY.
Babers was 19-7 at Eastern Illinois and 18-9 at Bowling Green. Might be a good fit at Cornell.
Quote from: SwampyFrom 2018 to 2023 she was AD at Colgate, which is a better comparison (but academically still considerably inferior) to Cornell. 'Gate did win the Patriot League championship in 2018, but never after that. In fact, during the years she was AD at Colgate, the 2018 football team was the only Colgate team to win a Patriot League championship in any sport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_League).
So, a search for a new coach is cause for optimism, but our current AD's record is not. Let's wish her luck. She's going to need it. ::worry::
At the risk of thread drift, as parent of both a Cornell graduate and a current Colgate senior, it's preposterous to say Colgate is "considerably inferior" academically to Cornell. Admission stats are pretty close (Colgate avg. ACT: 32/34, Cornell: 33/35), and from my kids' experience the caliber of students and quality of the classroom rigor is pretty much the same.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: arugulaJake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who's fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.
It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.
I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...
I agree-not a Colgate grad but that was a pretty ignorant remark. Excellent school academically-Just want to beat them in football.
Colgate is an outstanding university and great Cornell rivalry.
In terms of my criticism of Martha Pollack she has simply not been a good fit at Cornell. Just ask the Michigan alums she was not a popular Provost in Ann Arbor and was never going to get the president's job at that great institution. I have an older sister who was in Martha Pollack's 1979 Class at Dartmouth and she was a strange bird then and not much has changed. She couldn't believe it when Martha Pollack was tapped as Cornell's president in 2017.
In terms of Cornell football, Martha Pollack rarely attends any games and this year she blew off Homecoming as well. As soon as Martha Pollack arrived at Cornell she attacked Greek Life almost non-stop and proceeded to cut $1MM out of Any Noel's budget on day one. That is the reality of the situation. I think we are all excited about Cornell's new AD Nicki Moore, but dealing with this administration will not be easy. Go Big Red!!!
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyFrom 2018 to 2023 she was AD at Colgate, which is a better comparison (but academically still considerably inferior) to Cornell. 'Gate did win the Patriot League championship in 2018, but never after that. In fact, during the years she was AD at Colgate, the 2018 football team was the only Colgate team to win a Patriot League championship in any sport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_League).
So, a search for a new coach is cause for optimism, but our current AD's record is not. Let's wish her luck. She's going to need it. ::worry::
At the risk of thread drift, as parent of both a Cornell graduate and a current Colgate senior, it's preposterous to say Colgate is "considerably inferior" academically to Cornell. Admission stats are pretty close (Colgate avg. ACT: 32/34, Cornell: 33/35), and from my kids' experience the caliber of students and quality of the classroom rigor is pretty much the same.
Sorry. Maybe I'm basing my judgement on a biased & unrepresentative sample. But I base my comment on my own experience in Cornell's Engineering school compared to someone I had worked with, a Colgate graduate who had majored in geology and was working on a master's degree but didn't have a command of ninth-grade algebra.
Quote from: tychoQuote from: Ken711Quote from: arugulaJake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who's fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.
It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.
I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...
Official announcement from Athletics: Cornell Announces Change in Football Leadership (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/11/19/cornell-announces-change-in-football-leadership.aspx)
Quote from: tychoQuote from: Ken711Quote from: arugulaJake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who's fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.
It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.
I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...
You can believe it now that it's official. It was posted on the Ivy League Sports Board this morning that he was out.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: tychoQuote from: Ken711Quote from: arugulaJake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who's fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.
It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.
I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...
You can believe it now that it's official. It was posted on the Ivy League Sports Board this morning that he was out.
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle. Have to figure Archer has a lot to think about now that he's snapped about the longest leash in Division I. Cornell and Nicki Moore, even more so.
Quote from: kingpin248Quote from: tychoQuote from: Ken711Quote from: arugulaJake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who's fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.
It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.
I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...
Official announcement from Athletics: Cornell Announces Change in Football Leadership (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/11/19/cornell-announces-change-in-football-leadership.aspx)
i respect the way they have him a dignified send off. this is as kind as "you're fired" gets.
I hope the Cornell hiring committee is not too proud to consider coaches from DII and DIII championship winning teams. Lance Leipold won DIII titles at Wisconsin-Whitewater and then turned around the program at Buffalo. He then took a historically awful program at Kansas and has them approaching respectability. When it's all said and done, football is just football, and a coach who wins championship at the college level knows what he's doing.
Quote from: Local MotionIn terms of Cornell football, Martha Pollack rarely attends any games and this year she blew off Homecoming as well.
Well, yeah, we suck! ::whistle::
And saying Pollack attacked Greek Life as a
criticism is, shall we say, not a universally held opinion. Some have a rather jaundiced view of our "peculiar institution."
Quote from: mike1960I hope the Cornell hiring committee is not too proud to consider coaches from DII and DIII championship winning teams. Lance Leipold won DIII titles at Wisconsin-Whitewater and then turned around the program at Buffalo. He then took a historically awful program at Kansas and has them approaching respectability. When it's all said and done, football is just football, and a coach who wins championship at the college level knows what he's doing.
I agree. I still think a good coaching candidate to consider is Dan Swanstrom. He is the current offensive coordinator at U of Penn. He was the former head coach at Ithaca College posting the highest winning percentage for any coach in program history that has coached more than one season. Swanstrom went 32-11 (.744) and his teams registered eight wins in all four seasons in which they took the field. Also look at the job that the job that Bob Chesney has done at Holy Cross. Chesny came to Holy Cross after a successful 44–16 (.733) run at Division II Assumption College. So yes, a successful Div 2 or 3 coach should definitely be considered. Former U of Penn and Columbia head coach Al Bagnoli took over at Penn after leading Div 3 Union to the playoffs.
Quote from: Ken711Want a logical replacement for Archer. Look no further that U. of Penn's Offensive Coordinator Dan Swanstrom. He was went 32-11 (.744) and his teams registered eight wins in all four seasons in which they took led Ithaca College as their head coach. Knows the Ivy League, was a former head coach, and has even lived in the Ithaca area.
You got it right!
Zero personality but will give him a chance.
Quote from: rss77Zero personality but will give him a chance.
Never met the guy, but he was Penn's recruiting coordinator in his first stint with the Quakers and must've recruited well enough at IC for him to go 32-11 there.
He's a great choice,
Quote from: rss77Zero personality but will give him a chance.
He has a solid record at Ithaca College. Penn always scored more than 20 points in their games in 2023 with Swanstrom as their OC. It looks like a good hire.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: rss77Zero personality but will give him a chance.
He has a solid record at Ithaca College. Penn always scored more than 20 points in their games in 2023 with Swanstrom as their OC. It looks like a good hire.
His family loved the Ithaca area while he was at IC. I hope the University commitment to winning extends beyond just his hiring but providing him with the funds to hire a great staff and in the recruitment area.
Update: Cortland won the 2023 D-III championship 38-37 over North Central (Ill.) 38-37 12/15. #1 North Central scored with a minute left, went for 2 to win and didn't make it.
In the FCS semifinal, Albany got clobbered by South Dakota State, 59-0.
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4 of the 32 NCAA D-III football playoff teams were from New York State: Cortland, Ithaca, Union and Alfred State. Cortland made it to the title game (Friday, 7 pm). So there is some football capability within a short drive from East Hill. Ithaca has been to the championship game 7 times in 50 years, won 3. Union made it twice. won 1. Wagner (on Long Island) won 1.
D-III NYS Football Team Made This Far in 2023 Playoffs:
Round of 32
Alfred State (lost to Mt. Union 56-14)
Round of 16
Ithaca (beaten by Randolph-Macon)
Union (beaten by Hopkins)
Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Finals, Friday 12/15, 7:00 EST
Cortland, 13-1 vs. North Central College, 14-0 (Naperville, Ill.)
Also in the FCS of D1 (the one the Ivy League could be in, if we were allowed in by the Ivy Group presidents, those still left), Albany (NY not GA) plays #1 South Dakota State Friday 12/15.
Albany and Cortland both on TV at the same time friday night, cool for NY teams
Quote from: billhowardWagner (on Long Island)
No. Just no.
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Correct is on Staten (not Long) Island. A place where the school motto should be, "How Much Off for Cash?" I'm surprised there wasn't a rebellion when the first toll readers went onto the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge. Some people there are believed to underreport their incomes.
Wagner about 25 years ago, previous administration, had aspirations of being an Ivy caliber school, sized like an Amherst or Williams. The selling point was: Near New York, not really in New York (Manhattan) where your daughter might get mugged. Wagner is #69 (make a good fraternity T-shirt) in US News regional colleges Northeast where 1-2-3 are Bentley-Providence-TCNJ, Ithaca is 13, and schools around #70 include Alfred, Central Connecticut and Eastern Connecticut State.
Correct is on Staten (not Long) Island. A place where the school motto should be, "How Much Off for Cash?" I'm surprised there wasn't a rebellion when the first toll readers went onto the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge. Some people there are believed to underreport their incomes.
Wagner about 25 years ago, previous administration, had aspirations of being an Ivy caliber school, sized like an Amherst or Williams. The selling point was: Near New York, not really in New York (Manhattan) where your daughter might get mugged. Wagner is #69 (make a good fraternity T-shirt) in US News regional colleges Northeast where 1-2-3 are Bentley-Providence-TCNJ, Ithaca is 13, and schools around #70 include Alfred, Central Connecticut and Eastern Connecticut State.
Bill-kinda not a nice thing to write. I recall at MSG last year a Cornell supporter started chanting "safety school" at UCONN. I told him to shut up first because did you actually apply to UConn and second because that's only funny if you chant it at Harvard.
Agreed
Quote from: arugulaBill-kinda not a nice thing to write. I recall at MSG last year a Cornell supporter started chanting "safety school" at UCONN. I told him to shut up first because did you actually apply to UConn and second because that's only funny if you chant it at Harvard.
Cornell hockey fans have been chanting "safety school" at actual safety schools for awhile now (well, maybe not this year—the fans seem to have forgotten most of the cheers). It's pretentious. And it's rude, but that's the point. I don't like the cheer, except against Quinnipiac, because they deserve it.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: arugulaBill-kinda not a nice thing to write. I recall at MSG last year a Cornell supporter started chanting "safety school" at UCONN. I told him to shut up first because did you actually apply to UConn and second because that's only funny if you chant it at Harvard.
Cornell hockey fans have been chanting "safety school" at actual safety schools for awhile now (well, maybe not this year—the fans seem to have forgotten most of the cheers). It's pretentious. And it's rude, but that's the point. I don't like the cheer, except against Quinnipiac, because they deserve it.
Well aware of that, What sort of insecurity makes it so important to diminish the other schools in that way? Thats the kind of thing we hate in our supposed betters. We're supposed to be the "People's Ivy." I've said the same thing since 1983. I've never found it funny, which is what I think is the point. Easy to be rude, not easy to be funny and/or witty. My favorite chant is the one at Princeton-"Primary color, secondary color." Anyone can yell-"f-you" or "safety school." Not funny or witty unless it's at HYP. Otherwise, not rude, douchey.
As I'm sure is the case in your life and job, some of the best people I've worked with came from "safety" schools or worse (and some are even from Staten Island, Bill) and some of the of the worst came from "elite" schools. I loved the nurse my wife had when she was in the hospital, who graduated from...Quinnipiac. Thank God for her.
There are better ways than that ad hominem, vaguely bigoted attack on Staten Island (this from me, a snooty Manhattanite) from Bill above, which where this started and there are better ways to abuse the opponent than being so uncreative.
Sort of what Schaf was talking about.
Anyone with a realistic chance of acceptance to Cornell should not bother applying to Quinnipiac.
I think it's a good cheer against Colgate. That stings a bit.
Stings who? How insecure do you have to be to take pleasure in that?
Quote from: CU2007Anyone with a realistic chance of acceptance to Cornell should not bother applying to Quinnipiac.
I think it's a good cheer against Colgate. That stings a bit.
You completely missed the point. I'm not saying Cornell isn't a "better@ school. I'm simply saying it's a douchey thing to chant. Be creative.
it's playful banter at a sporting event. I get a kick out of people taking shots at Cornell too - I don't feel offended. It's just not that serious - nothing really is.
Quote from: CU2007it's playful banter at a sporting event. I get a kick out of people taking shots at Cornell too - I don't feel offended. It's just not that serious - nothing really is.
I mostly agree and I'm not offended by it I just find it stupid and reflective of deep insecurity. Plus im not convinced that everyone who chants that stuff does it with a sense of fun. Fun would be chanting it at HYP. As we see above, they're interested in it "stinging". That's just being a jerk. Be creative. Goalie ... sieve. Warm up the bus. Primary color.
Unrelated I said a few weeks ago no wonder we don't schedule IC in football. Add Cortland to that. What a game! Congrats to the Red Dragons.
Quote from: CU2007Goalie ... sieve. Warm up the bus. Primary color.
Princeton's in New Jersey.
Bush went to Yale.
Eh, oh right, Penn doesn't have a hockey team!
Quote from: arugulaUnrelated I said a few weeks ago no wonder we don't schedule IC in football. Add Cortland to that. What a game! Congrats to the Red Dragons.
It would be too embarrassing if we played them and lost.
Exactly
Cornell is playing Albany next season. Albany is semi-finalist in the FCS playoffs. That will be a huge test of the current state of the Cornell football program.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell is playing Albany next season. Albany is semi-finalist in the FCS playoffs. That will be a huge test of the current state of the Cornell football program.
FWIW, in the semifinal game yesterday the Albany Great Danes were blown out by the defending champion South Dakota State Jackrabbits 0-59.
https://www.ithaca.com/sports/sports_features/life-after-football-former-teammates-work-together-on-the-road-to-recovery/article_7f353898-9a90-11ee-8ac8-7710ff5a6cb2.html
Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Ken711Cornell is playing Albany next season. Albany is semi-finalist in the FCS playoffs. That will be a huge test of the current state of the Cornell football program.
FWIW, in the semifinal game yesterday the Albany Great Danes were blown out by the defending champion South Dakota State Jackrabbits 0-59.
South Dakota State is a FBS school in disguise.
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Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football
also a lot of reasons in there why his NFL career didn't go as well as payne's. glad that he found someone who cared enough to do the extra work to diagnose and fix the problem.
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Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football
Scary!
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Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football
Scary!
Indeed.
Exciting new coach notwithstanding, I would suggest that Cornell take the bold move of ending its football programs. The casualty toll is too great. And the NCAA knocked the Ivies from the top league anyway.
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Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football
Scary!
Indeed.
Exciting new coach notwithstanding, I would suggest that Cornell take the bold move of ending its football programs. The casualty toll is too great. And the NCAA knocked the Ivies from the top league anyway.
For a while there after the movie Concussion and CTE in football players being the lead story on the news, I really thought Cornell would end the program. Take being on "the right side of history" as an easy way to get rid of a rotten program you just can't seem to fix.
Now everyone seems to have forgotten or just agreed not to care that we are watching people wreck their bodies, and in many cases their lives, and football seems as big as ever. I'm guilty of it too.
Quote from: CU2007Now everyone seems to have forgotten or just agreed not to care that we are watching people wreck their bodies, and in many cases their lives, and football seems as big as ever. I'm guilty of it too.
Is it?
My impression after the pandemic was everybody was pulling their kids out of football except the derps. The sport dies if there are no more gladiators.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007Now everyone seems to have forgotten or just agreed not to care that we are watching people wreck their bodies, and in many cases their lives, and football seems as big as ever. I'm guilty of it too.
Is it?
My impression after the pandemic was everybody was pulling their kids out of football except the derps. The sport dies if there are no more gladiators.
I think participation is down for sure except in places where football is religion. TV ratings are excellent again after a brief drop, and the group of people saying they would stop watching for moral reasons seems to have been shouted down. I think it's probably true that if you grow up with few options, football might be worth the risk. But if you're a rich suburban kid, it's probably not.
The Washington Post has an excellent series of articles published this week about the state of high school football. Here is an excerpt from the main story:
While participation is falling almost everywhere, The Post found, boys in the most conservative, poorest states continue to play high school tackle football at higher rates than those in wealthier and more politically liberal areas. The politicization of the concussion crisis is forging deeper divisions between those who support youth football and those who don't. And while precise data about football's racial makeup is hard to come by, the demographics appear to be gradually shifting. Among kids and teens, White and Black males are playing tackle football at declining rates, while Hispanic boys increasingly take up the sport. In college, the proportion of White players is declining, and that of Black players rising, at faster rates than national demographic changes.
High-schoolers in states that voted for former president Donald Trump in 2020 played football last year at a rate roughly 1.5 times as high as those in states that went for President Biden, The Post found — a significant divide that also existed a decade ago. But poll results revealed that liberals are increasingly more likely to discourage children from playing football, while conservatives are just about as likely to recommend the sport now as in 2012.
"There seems to be a very disturbing possibility," said Andrew M. Lindner, associate professor of sociology at Skidmore College who has studied the demographics of football participation, "that who your dad voted for [in the presidential election] could influence your risk for a very serious [football-related] ailment or injury."
At the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.
Quote from: CU2007the group of people saying they would stop watching for moral reasons seems to have been shouted down
That's never the way these things die, though. They become segregated communities in which they are wildly popular within and not even reviled but just ignored without. Boxing. Cockfighting. Hell, probably Bear Baiting. I'm sure someplace in Yakutsk, right now...
Quote from: upprdeckAt the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.
I read somewhere that girls soccer was the 2nd highest concussion rate, behind football. And I think USA Soccer banned headers until age 15 or so because of it - could be wrong there. Most were caused by heading the ball without fully developed neck muscles to support the impact on the head.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: upprdeckAt the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.
I read somewhere that girls soccer was the 2nd highest concussion rate, behind football. And I think USA Soccer banned headers until age 15 or so because of it - could be wrong there. Most were caused by heading the ball without fully developed neck muscles to support the impact on the head.
The collision of your head with the other guy's head isn't such a great thing, either.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007the group of people saying they would stop watching for moral reasons seems to have been shouted down
That's never the way these things die, though. They become segregated communities in which they are wildly popular within and not even reviled but just ignored without. Boxing. Cockfighting. Hell, probably Bear Baiting. I'm sure someplace in Yakutsk, right now...
Cornell is known to have prohibited bear cubs on the gridiron and chickens tied to goalposts in the rink.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: upprdeckAt the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.
I read somewhere that girls soccer was the 2nd highest concussion rate, behind football. And I think USA Soccer banned headers until age 15 or so because of it - could be wrong there. Most were caused by heading the ball without fully developed neck muscles to support the impact on the head.
An emerging body of research says girls/women may need to train differently and be treated differently when injured. They may need different not just downsized protective gear. It's not a the-weaker-sex thing.
Slippery slope and all, but if football goes for that reason, it's only a matter of time before hockey is next.
I disagree as football has always been a physical and dangerous game but a lot of fun too. One of my fraternity brothers at Cornell was ROTC and after graduation was an Navy fighter pilot who served in both gulf wars. Very dangerous duty flying off an aircraft carrier and doing missions over both Iraq and Afghanistan. He loved flying in the Navy, but that job was probably far more dangerous than playing football. We all must remember life in general is a risk and no risk no reward. Sitting on the sidelines is not always healthy either. Go Big Red!!!