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Title: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: dbilmes on January 04, 2023, 09:16:57 PM
Nice story (https://dailygazette.com/2023/01/04/tupker-twins-set-to-face-each-other-friday-when-ben-and-union-mens-hockey-host-zach-and-cornell/) on the Tupker twins playing against each other for the first time ever.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Dunc on January 06, 2023, 06:43:08 PM
Cornell Lines:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl0nJLnX0BskgjN.png)

Union Lines:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl0nERyX0Bo4mBl.png)
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Dafatone on January 06, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
On one hand, it's great that we have depth in our lines and can roll out four balanced lines.

On the other hand. I feel like we are shaking our lines up pretty radically every game.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 07:04:26 PM
People jeep getting hurt (Stienburg this time).
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Iceberg on January 06, 2023, 07:05:09 PM
Union was outshot 72-27 last weekend against UNH and somehow won both games. And while UNH isn't great to say the least, that's...something.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 07:05:37 PM
Looking at the ceiling of the Union barn from ice level on camera it is so cool you'd never guess the place is a pit.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 07:06:11 PM
Quote from: IcebergUnion was outshot 72-27 last weekend against UNH and somehow won both games. And while UNH isn't great to say the least, that's...something.
Did UNH use a goalie?
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 07:08:17 PM
SEB!!!  Great start.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: scoop85 on January 06, 2023, 07:41:39 PM
Fantastic 1st period. Probably equals the 1st period against UCONN as the best of the season.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 07:46:10 PM
Yep, perfect in every respect.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: scoop85 on January 06, 2023, 08:11:50 PM
I have no idea what Suda was thinking on that play
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Iceberg on January 06, 2023, 08:13:11 PM
Fortunately only 2 minutes but a silly penalty indeed
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: RichH on January 06, 2023, 08:18:31 PM
Quote from: TrotskyPeople jeep getting hurt (Stienburg this time).

Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: scoop85 on January 06, 2023, 08:20:24 PM
After we do a great job killing the 5 on 3 Union cashes in to make it 3-1 after a scrum in front. Goal being reviewed.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: RichH on January 06, 2023, 08:24:31 PM
Quote from: scoop85After we do a great job killing the 5 on 3 Union cashes in to make it 3-1 after a scrum in front. Goal being reviewed.

I don't have an issue with certain goal reviews like this one, but the number and duration of reviews at this level is grinding the games to a halt. During a review in the first, the cameras just showed tons of kids in the stands bored out of their minds.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Iceberg on January 06, 2023, 08:38:03 PM
This pretty much sums up the game for Union

(https://i.imgur.com/1FWqP71.png)
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 08:40:00 PM
Cornell with 3 goals in 2:40 to drive the score to 6-1 after 2.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: scoop85After we do a great job killing the 5 on 3 Union cashes in to make it 3-1 after a scrum in front. Goal being reviewed.

I don't have an issue with certain goal reviews like this one, but the number and duration of reviews at this level is grinding the games to a halt. During a review in the first, the cameras just showed tons of kids in the stands bored out of their minds.
To be fair there is nothing else for the cameras to look at at Achilles.  It's like a Day Care.  Half the crowd is under 8.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 08:42:24 PM
Princeton beating Harvard 3-0 in the second at Hobey Baker.  Good.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: scoop85 on January 06, 2023, 08:46:14 PM
Great finish to the period. Malone finally breaking out as he's looked capable of doing for awhile. Other than taking some silly penalties we've looked great.

And kudos to the color guy, who's informative and has an understated style.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: scoop85And kudos to the color guy, who's informative and has an understated style.
I almost wrote this earlier.  He's been able to dissect plays very well, much like Pierson's Pointers back in the day on Bruins broadcasts.

The PBP guy is cromulent but he checked out after our third goal and has really just been bantering since.

Both have been extremely complimentary of Cornell's play and Schafer.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: andyw2100 on January 06, 2023, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: TrotskyTo be fair there is nothing else for the cameras to look at at Achilles.  It's like a Day Care.  Half the crowd is under 8.

The little girl in the blue jacket taunting our guys in the penalty box has been amusing.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 08:51:39 PM
Nice family of Cornell women in the crowd, albeit the mother looked exactly like Krysten Sinema.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: TrotskyTo be fair there is nothing else for the cameras to look at at Achilles.  It's like a Day Care.  Half the crowd is under 8.

The little girl in the blue jacket taunting our guys in the penalty box has been amusing.
I thought she was fantastic.  When the security dude warned her off during the long Suda review I booed at my computer.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: scoop85 on January 06, 2023, 08:52:41 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: scoop85And kudos to the color guy, who's informative and has an understated style.
I almost wrote this earlier.  He's been able to dissect plays very well, much like Pierson's Pointers back in the day on Bruins broadcasts.

The PBP guy is cromulent but he checked out after our third goal and has really just been bantering since.

Both have been extremely complimentary of Cornell's play and Schafer.

After watching the World Juniors and Dave Starman, this is a nice change.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 08:54:16 PM
Camera has been bizarre, alternating a super close up with the puck always out of frame with a pan apparently filmed from the roof of Houston Field House.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Tcl123 on January 06, 2023, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: TrotskyNice family of Cornell women in the crowd, albeit the mother looked exactly like Krysten Sinema.

Guess it's better than looking like Pelosi with her teeth almost falling out.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: toddlose
Quote from: TrotskyNice family of Cornell women in the crowd, albeit the mother looked exactly like Krysten Sinema.

Guess it's better than looking like Pelosi with her teeth almost falling out.
Or Qevin McQarthy with his teeth kicked in.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 06, 2023, 09:32:52 PM
#13 CHN PWR
#12 USCHO PWR
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: French Rage on January 06, 2023, 10:17:01 PM
Seger was like a rock out there.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Roy 82 on January 06, 2023, 10:19:20 PM
Quote from: French RageSeger was like a rock out there.

Ye siree Bob.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: French Rage on January 06, 2023, 10:20:29 PM
Quote from: Roy 82
Quote from: French RageSeger was like a rock out there.

Ye siree Bob.

Working on his goal moves, trying to beat those awkward forward blues.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: BearLover on January 07, 2023, 11:21:56 AM
Cornell is looking far more dominant at winning and maintaining possession than they did at any point last season. If not for scheduling two games at Duluth to begin the season, we'd be one of the best Pairwise teams in the country. Let's see if we can keep it up.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: scoop85 on January 07, 2023, 11:25:46 AM
Quote from: BearLoverCornell is looking far more dominant at winning and maintaining possession than they did at any point last season. If not for scheduling two games at Duluth to begin the season, we'd be one of the best Pairwise teams in the country. Let's see if we can keep it up.

Yes, our puck possession has been more noticeable this year. I'm not an analytics guy, but I'd be interested to see a comparison of the numbers.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 07, 2023, 11:56:15 AM
We really lay the wood to bad teams, which should help us accumulate precious points against the bottom of the conference (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f2364304-3dc6-4e35-9f54-ab01f2e12c7e).
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: dbilmes on January 07, 2023, 04:44:50 PM
There's nothing too scintillating on it, but Ken Schott's podcast (https://open.spotify.com/episode/5B06SZn1CERppzvDqAu0sE?si=ITp1VPnjTuCLJN9F5mQNOw&nd=1) has all of the post-game quotes from both Cornell and Union.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 07, 2023, 05:57:50 PM
I liked when Mike's post-game presser was on YouTube.  They don't appear to do that anymore.  :-(
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: marty on January 07, 2023, 06:05:17 PM
Quote from: TrotskyI liked when Mike's post-game presser was on YouTube.  They don't appear to do that anymore.  :-(

Eco-friendly. Think of the KWHr's saved.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: Trotsky on January 07, 2023, 06:48:50 PM
Quote from: marty
Quote from: TrotskyI liked when Mike's post-game presser was on YouTube.  They don't appear to do that anymore.  :-(

Eco-friendly. Think of the KWHr's saved.
One picosecond of Bitcoin farming.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: upprdeck on January 07, 2023, 09:48:23 PM
it requires some effort from the communication team I suppose
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: BearLover on January 09, 2023, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: BearLoverCornell is looking far more dominant at winning and maintaining possession than they did at any point last season. If not for scheduling two games at Duluth to begin the season, we'd be one of the best Pairwise teams in the country. Let's see if we can keep it up.

Yes, our puck possession has been more noticeable this year. I'm not an analytics guy, but I'd be interested to see a comparison of the numbers.
Someone correct me if this data exists, but I believe time of possession is not publicly tracked for college hockey. The best we have is shot attempts, which does a decent job approximating possession. CHN's stats page (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/) tracks a team's Corsi (percentage of total shot attempts) and Fenwick (percentage of unblocked shot attempts). CHN also provides these statistics "close," i.e. only with respect to the portion of a hockey game when the score is within one goal.

Our possession numbers are strong, by these metrics. Our Corsi is 8th and our "close" Corsi is 12th. Our Fenwick is 4th and our "close" Fenwick is 3rd. (Quinnipiac is #1 in the country in all of these except #2 in Corsi non-close.) With that said, there is a major caveat, which is that these numbers do not adjust for strength of schedule. Our SOS is 38th in the country. (Quinnipiac's is 39th.) Our numbers would obviously be worse if we were regularly playing other top teams. Also, we are dealing with small sample sizes, especially with respect to the "close" metrics. Many of our games this year have been blowouts and saw little time during which the score was within one goal. When the game is not close, the team that is behind will press harder and rack up more shot attempts.

Funnily, the 2019-20 team was 9th in Corsi, 9th in Corse "close," tied for 7th in Fenwick and 6th in Fenwick "close." Last year's team was 8th in Corsi, 9th in Corsi "close," 8th in Fenwick, and 9th in Fenwick "close." So, our "possession" numbers have been essentially unchanged the last three seasons, despite massively different results. (And our SOS was 38th and 39th in the last two seasons, so also essentially unchanged.) Are we an equally good possession team every year, and the only variables that change are shooting percentage and save percentage? That's what the numbers suggest, at least.
Title: Re: Keopple's Helmet
Post by: TimV on January 09, 2023, 04:56:59 PM
Anybody ever notice the inscription on the back of Keopple's helmet?

II Thessalonians 3:10
"The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."

No, Trotsky.  It's not from Lenin.
Title: Re: Cornell at Union 1/6/2023
Post by: abmarks on January 09, 2023, 05:50:44 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: BearLoverCornell is looking far more dominant at winning and maintaining possession than they did at any point last season. If not for scheduling two games at Duluth to begin the season, we'd be one of the best Pairwise teams in the country. Let's see if we can keep it up.

Yes, our puck possession has been more noticeable this year. I'm not an analytics guy, but I'd be interested to see a comparison of the numbers.
Someone correct me if this data exists, but I believe time of possession is not publicly tracked for college hockey. The best we have is shot attempts, which does a decent job approximating possession. CHN's stats page (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/) tracks a team's Corsi (percentage of total shot attempts) and Fenwick (percentage of unblocked shot attempts). CHN also provides these statistics "close," i.e. only with respect to the portion of a hockey game when the score is within one goal.

Our possession numbers are strong, by these metrics. Our Corsi is 8th and our "close" Corsi is 12th. Our Fenwick is 4th and our "close" Fenwick is 3rd. (Quinnipiac is #1 in the country in all of these except #2 in Corsi non-close.) With that said, there is a major caveat, which is that these numbers do not adjust for strength of schedule. Our SOS is 38th in the country. (Quinnipiac's is 39th.) Our numbers would obviously be worse if we were regularly playing other top teams. Also, we are dealing with small sample sizes, especially with respect to the "close" metrics. Many of our games this year have been blowouts and saw little time during which the score was within one goal. When the game is not close, the team that is behind will press harder and rack up more shot attempts.

Funnily, the 2019-20 team was 9th in Corsi, 9th in Corse "close," tied for 7th in Fenwick and 6th in Fenwick "close." Last year's team was 8th in Corsi, 9th in Corsi "close," 8th in Fenwick, and 9th in Fenwick "close." So, our "possession" numbers have been essentially unchanged the last three seasons, despite massively different results. (And our SOS was 38th and 39th in the last two seasons, so also essentially unchanged.) Are we an equally good possession team every year, and the only variables that change are shooting percentage and save percentage? That's what the numbers suggest, at least.

I'd want to know if shot quality and location had changed.