Creating a new post for the game thread itself so lines are pinned at top
Cornell:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FihxBbDWAAEaIvF.jpg
UConn:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fihv_lyXwAI7BMl.jpg
As of 7:33, the derps are still derping their derp on WHCU.
Presumably Radio Free Goebbels will cease shatting itself soon in preference for Jason.
But, Jesus fuck, what an embarrassment to have Sturmabteilung Tonight as the lead-in for our lads.
Quote from: Dunchttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FihxBbDWAAEaIvF.jpg
Why, with every name spelled out phonetically, do opponent announcers so often mispronounce our players names?
Video has kicked in. Neither of these teams has what anyone west of the Hudson River would call an attractive fan base. Demographics is destiny. Let's Go Red!
These MSG leads-ins are... um...
UConn evidently not awake yet. Bancroft had no one within a mile of him
Edit: And apparently neither is the camera crew. WTF at missing that Psenicka goal
:32 Bancroft 1-0.
1:15 Psenicka!!!
WOW 2-0 right away
Also... why is the video feed just the Jumbotron with our announcers piped over.... Makes it somewhat hard to watch ngl
Quote from: DuncAlso... why is the video feed just the Jumbotron with our announcers piped over.... Makes it somewhat hard to watch ngl
Yeah, can't stand not having crowd and ice sounds. What the hell?
I'm actually listening to the UConn audio and syncing it with the video feed. Slightly more bearable. At least I can hear the crowd.
Cornell basically winning every battle and having everything go their way. Maybe the best the team has looked in any game
Quote from: ERI'm actually listening to the UConn audio and syncing it with the video feed. Slightly more bearable. At least I can hear the crowd.
Thanks. I may try doing that myself.
Edit: Tried it. Didn't like it. Couldn't really hear much more.
Sync up Jason he's so much better than the MSG audio. Cornell hitting everything in sight, we look fantastic so far!!!
If I'm not mistaken, Grady Whittenburg is doing the commentary, solo, from a remote location (Lynah???) with the same video feed as is being shown on ESPN+. If so, he's a miracle worker.
Live stats says the game hasn't started. Maybe I'm dreaming this?
Shots are 10-1.
"Who are these guys?"
I have been surprised at how bad Grady has been this year. When he was the radio guy for Cornell he was amazing but years of pro video really developed terrible derp habits. He's essentially an ESPN broadcaster now. Up close and personal garbage. I love the guy, but woof.
Shots are 15-3. Not cheapies either. Holy shit.
Tbh we've looked like a completely new/higher caliber team since 2nd period against SHU
Andreev crossbar. Shots 18-5.
As of right now UConn does not belong on the same ice as we.
3-0.
Who are these guys?
Jason, paraphrased: "the Cornell crowd is already shitfaced."
Quote from: TrotskySync up Jason he's so much better than the MSG audio. Cornell hitting everything in sight, we look fantastic so far!!!
Yeah. This is way better. Thanks!
Quote from: TrotskyI have been surprised at how bad Grady has been this year. When he was the radio guy for Cornell he was amazing but years of pro video really developed terrible derp habits. He's essentially an ESPN broadcaster now. Up close and personal garbage. I love the guy, but woof.
Grandy keeps saying that Ondrej Psenicka is from Russia. Is there some expansion of the Russian aggression I haven't heard about?
Somebody want to tell Grady that Prague is not part of Russia?
And that, kids, is what 2003 was like.
I dunno where that came from, but FFS keep it coming.
Quote from: pfibigerQuote from: TrotskyI have been surprised at how bad Grady has been this year. When he was the radio guy for Cornell he was amazing but years of pro video really developed terrible derp habits. He's essentially an ESPN broadcaster now. Up close and personal garbage. I love the guy, but woof.
Grandy keeps saying that Ondrej Psenicka is from Russia. Is there some expansion of the Russian aggression I haven't heard about?
As a Czech, I can only say, 1968 (https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/08/23/prague1968a.jpg?width=465&quality=85&dpr=1&s=none) muthafucka.
Seger for the other Tupker was a pretty good deal. No offense, Zach.
Quote from: TrotskyVideo has kicked in. Neither of these teams has what anyone west of the Hudson River would call an attractive fan base. Demographics is destiny. Let's Go Red!
Demographics are destiny? Really may want to reconsider the quotes you use.
A;lso, Brown beating {PROVICED* and Princeton kicking the ever loving shit outta RIT. Good night if we can hold all of this.
* This is a 30-year old callback.
At msg. Completely stunned by how UConn looks. Have not watched them this year, but I assume they've looked better. Looks like they're not communicating at all. Getting beaten to loose pucks, fat rebounds. I suspect this will change.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: TrotskyVideo has kicked in. Neither of these teams has what anyone west of the Hudson River would call an attractive fan base. Demographics is destiny. Let's Go Red!
Demographics are destiny? Really may want to reconsider the quotes you use.
Consciously considered. Kind, rational people await. Get the fuck off the coast.
I just saw the score at the end of the first--holy crap.
What??
Quote from: arugulaAt msg. Completely stunned by how UConn looks. Have not watched them this year, but I assume they've looked better. Looks like they're not communicating at all. Getting beaten to loose pucks, fat rebounds. I suspect this will change.
This has to be an aberration. I expect the next ten minutes to be a buzzsaw for UConn.
Quote from: djk26I just saw the score at the end of the first--holy crap.
It is not as close as the score.
Quote from: arugulaWhat??
Sorry. 30 years away from the Entitlement of the Acela Corridor has me wondering why we don't dump our nuclear waste there. In bulk. Immediately.
I'm sure those condemned to lived there have their reasons.
< Caddyshack "Looks good on you" expression >
Crowd is disappointing. Whole empty sections. This is what I meant when I suggested unconnected may not be the best choice.
Quote from: arugulaCrowd is disappointing. Whole empty sections. This is what I meant when I suggested unconnected may not be the best choice.
Could be they are still lined up at the veal fattening pens from between periods. They won't announce turnstile until the third if they do it like prior years.
I would actually expect UConn to draw okay.
I'm awkwardly watching without sound. What's there to review here? Honestly, looked like a flop to me (after some definite interference), but I'm kind of a homer when it comes to calls.
Oh, to be honest Rego, not a good look, up 3-0.
Quote from: DafatoneI'm awkwardly watching without sound. What's there to review here? Honestly, looked like a flop to me (after some definite interference), but I'm kind of a homer when it comes to calls.
Sync with WHCU. This is The Way. The ESPN+ audio is FUBAR.
There is a lot more beer in frame than prior years. ::drunk::
Fuckers have nice puck movement on pp. Thank you, Ian.
Holy fucking shit Mitchell and Malinski have been SO good.
5 minutes, 6 UConn shots. Would not be surprised to see 6 more in the next 5 minutes.
"Oh hello, Northern Virginia's best health plan." I'm assuming this audio did not hit the rest of you during that UConn drive?
Oh fuck it reset my sync. Can we please end capitalism already?
Second post. We are millimeters from 5-0.
Um. Are we good again?
Millimeters from 7-0. What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?
Quote from: TrotskyUm. Are we good again?
Could just as well ask "Is UConn bad again?"
Holy fuck. 5-0.
Quote from: TrotskySecond post. We are millimeters from 5-0.
Now it is. When was the last time a freshman had a hat trick? Malott at Princeton few years ago?
Definitely the first time hat trick for a CU freshman at MSG.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: TrotskySecond post. We are millimeters from 5-0.
Now it is. When was the last time a freshman had a hat trick? Malott at Princeton few years ago?
Weren't those Malott's first three goals on the season? And it was like halfway into the year, if I remember. Which I probably don't.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: TrotskySecond post. We are millimeters from 5-0.
Now it is. When was the last time a freshman had a hat trick? Malott at Princeton few years ago?
Berard in '20 maybe (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/players/cornell_Hat_Tricks.html)?
With the other results tonight, Cornell has moved to 25th in PWR (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/). I do not know if we crack top 20 by holding on (UConn is currently 7th).
Quote from: TrotskyWith the other results tonight, Cornell has moved to 25th in PWR (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
And UConn has dropped to 7 (from 5).
I guess the PWR is still a little volatile, huh? ::whistle::
I know you can't play the puck with a broken stick. Does kicking at the puck count? Should've dropped the broken stick, I guess?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyWith the other results tonight, Cornell has moved to 25th in PWR (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
And UConn has dropped to 7 (from 5).
I guess the PWR is still a little volatile, huh? ::whistle::
Fair point. Before New Years, the PWR is a shit show.
What does UConn and Stetson have in common? (But in a way UConn is more unique)
Quote from: DafatoneI know you can't play the puck with a broken stick. Does kicking at the puck count? Should've dropped the broken stick, I guess?
Art would know but I think you can be called for carrying a broken stick even if you are nowhere near the puck.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneI know you can't play the puck with a broken stick. Does kicking at the puck count? Should've dropped the broken stick, I guess?
Art would know but I think you can be called for carrying a broken stick even if you are nowhere near the puck.
"A player whose stick is broken may participate in the game provided
the player immediately drops the broken stick."
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneI know you can't play the puck with a broken stick. Does kicking at the puck count? Should've dropped the broken stick, I guess?
Art would know but I think you can be called for carrying a broken stick even if you are nowhere near the puck.
Correct.
What a beautiful game that was
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyWith the other results tonight, Cornell has moved to 25th in PWR (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
And UConn has dropped to 7 (from 5).
I guess the PWR is still a little volatile, huh? ::whistle::
Fair point. Before New Years, the PWR is a shit show.
We're up to 20 and UConn is down to 11.
Jason is bad at the internet. We are 20th in PWR. Now beat the snot outta Harvard. It will be my first game in over 3 years.
Cornell looked like the quicker, stronger team all night. I don't know if UConn had an off night or what but they could barely generate anything and looked horrendous in the neutral zone in particular. Definitely a few skilled players up front but they were very neutralized and Shane didn't really have too many difficult saves.
Quote from: TrotskyJason is bad at the internet. We are 20th in PWR. Now beat the snot outta Harvard. It will be my first game in over 3 years.
Bring a few mackerel. It might help...
Best game Cornell has played since 2019-20. Cornell jumped on them in the first 1:15 and that obviously changed the complexion of the game, but Cornell skated with and out-gritted UConn all 60 minutes. UConn gave up a surprising amount of space and Cornell made them pay by connecting on some really nice passing plays. Cornell also had their sticks in the right position defensively all night long. I'm not sure UConn is really a top-10 team. Cornell still hesitates too long on the PP and that won't work against Harvard. The freshman forwards + Seger continue to impress. Shane had to make few difficult saves but was solid, only giving up a few rebounds.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaWhat??
Sorry. 30 years away from the Entitlement of the Acela Corridor has me wondering why we don't dump our nuclear waste there. In bulk. Immediately.
I'm sure those condemned to lived there have their reasons. < Caddyshack "Looks good on you" expression >
As a life long resident of the Acela corridor, I think I'll ignore what seems to be at best a random a provocation and at worse something a lot darker and stick to hockey or maybe leave the site. You want to dump nuclear waste on me. Ok.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaWhat??
Sorry. 30 years away from the Entitlement of the Acela Corridor has me wondering why we don't dump our nuclear waste there. In bulk. Immediately.
I'm sure those condemned to lived there have their reasons. < Caddyshack "Looks good on you" expression >
As a life long resident of the Acela corridor, I think I'll ignore what seems to be at best a random a provocation and at worse something a lot darker and stick to hockey or maybe leave the site. You want to dump nuclear waste on me. Ok.
You have to understand that Trotsky loves Cornell hockey and hates literally everything else.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: arugulaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: arugulaWhat??
Sorry. 30 years away from the Entitlement of the Acela Corridor has me wondering why we don't dump our nuclear waste there. In bulk. Immediately.
I'm sure those condemned to lived there have their reasons. < Caddyshack "Looks good on you" expression >
As a life long resident of the Acela corridor, I think I'll ignore what seems to be at best a random a provocation and at worse something a lot darker and stick to hockey or maybe leave the site. You want to dump nuclear waste on me. Ok.
You have to understand that Trotsky loves Cornell hockey and hates literally everything else.
That is not entirely true.
In addition to Cornell hockey I also like:
my family (well... some of my family)
some old movies (old = < 1950)
some old blues songs (old = < 1940)
some, no,
many old jazz songs (old = < 1960)
many old buildings (old = < 1400 )
some old people (old = < 1930)
And. Well, not much else.
Though to be honest I actually like you, ugarte, despite your limitations.
It appears C.U. does have a competitive Men's hockey team this year. This takes the heat off apologists and puts it where it belongs.
Quote from: IcebergCornell looked like the quicker, stronger team all night. I don't know if UConn had an off night or what but they could barely generate anything and looked horrendous in the neutral zone in particular. Definitely a few skilled players up front but they were very neutralized and Shane didn't really have too many difficult saves.
Suda, in a positive sense, stuck out to me again. Dependable defensively for a slightly undersized defenseman; I am "noticing" him defensively less and less. And boy was that a nifty pinch/shot on Bancroft's first goal! (Only on our team would 6'1" be undersized, but I digress.) Just crept into the open ice, was perfectly positioned, and didn't fool around with it.
And he only played 6 games last year! All upside.
Our breakout D this year, however, has been Rego, who has gone from pretty good to damn impressive. I like the freshmen a lot. Stienburg and Psenicka are officially out of my doghouse. If Berard starts producing at the clip he's capable of, we're going to be dangerous.
Warm ups are over. We're looking great. Beat Harvard.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: IcebergCornell looked like the quicker, stronger team all night. I don't know if UConn had an off night or what but they could barely generate anything and looked horrendous in the neutral zone in particular. Definitely a few skilled players up front but they were very neutralized and Shane didn't really have too many difficult saves.
Suda, in a positive sense, stuck out to me again. Dependable defensively for a slightly undersized defenseman; I am "noticing" him defensively less and less. And boy was that a nifty pinch/shot on Bancroft's first goal! (Only on our team would 6'1" be undersized, but I digress.) Just crept into the open ice, was perfectly positioned, and didn't fool around with it.
And he only played 6 games last year! All upside.
Our breakout D this year, however, has been Rego, who has gone from pretty good to damn impressive. I like the freshmen a lot. Stienburg and Psenicka are officially out of my doghouse. If Berard starts producing at the clip he's capable of, we're going to be dangerous.
Warm ups are over. We're looking great. Beat Harvard.
My first Cornell hockey game since the 2019 MSG game against BU, and obviously pleased with the performance. Completely different team than we saw in Potsdam just a few weeks ago.
I agree with Skerk's observations. Last year I thought Suda showed promise in his limited appearances, and he's now become a mainstay. Nice to see Dirven, who struggled with defensive zone turnovers last season, return to form.
Overall we did fine with our breakouts, and the relatively few times we got penned in we smartly chipped it out, albeit with a few too many icings. But we dominated at the faceoff dot, so that wasn't a big issue.
Shane wasn't under too much fire, but his positioning was excellent as was his rebound control. If he plays like that consistently we're going to win a lot of games.
You could see from even the 1st weekend against Duluth that Bancroft has star potential, and last night he broke out in a big way. Great wrister on the 1st goal, and even more impressive were his tip-ins on his other two goals. We haven't had too many guys with that skill in recent years (Joe Devin comes to mind), which is really key for the power play. Speaking of the power play, it was noteworthy that Bancroft was playing on the 1st power play unit, I believe taking Berard's usual spot.
Great to see Psenicka and Stienberg get on the scoresheet last night, and I thought both of them had strong games. Berard had an assist, and hopefully he'll get going too. And Mack, who has a lot of ability, is starting to find his rhythm at the college level.
Hard to ask for a better performance heading into the Harvard game. Harvard of course is loaded with talent, but we should have confidence that if we play like we did last night we can come out with a win.
If we play like we did last night, we can beat anybody. Rarely seen a more complete victory over a quality team.
The trick is whether it is dependably repeatable, or the stars aligning in one glorious, transient moment.
There's a lot of posts in this threaad about how well we played during that monumental, good old fashioned ass-kicking and name-taking last night... And sure, we played well, but something doesn't add up. How in the hell was UConn 10-2-2? I just don't get it. They played decent teams, many from Hockey East. Heck, even if they were 7-2-2 from just playing AHA teams that would still be reasonably respectable. I never in a million years would have predicted last night's outcome. I thought we were going to get smoked. Did UConn all order the fish at Olive Garden or something? They looked like a bunch of jokers on skates, not a team with a 10-2-2 record.
And winning is one thing... But schooling them 6-zip?!?
Quote from: HeafDogThere's a lot of posts in this threaad about how well we played during that monumental, good old fashioned ass-kicking and name-taking last night... And sure, we played well, but something doesn't add up. How in the hell was UConn 10-2-2? I just don't get it. They played decent teams, many from Hockey East. Heck, even if they were 7-2-2 from just playing AHA teams that would still be reasonably respectable. I never in a million years would have predicted last night's outcome. I thought we were going to get smoked. Did UConn all order the fish at Olive Garden or something? They looked like a bunch of jokers on skates, not a team with a 10-2-2 record.
And winning is one thing... But schooling them 6-zip?!?
The probably looked at our record, and then asked their moms (or dads) for second and third helpings of turkey plus another few slices of pumpkin pie. ::pain::
Quote from: Roy 82What does UConn and Stetson have in common? (But in a way UConn is more unique)
Well, I always thought it was kind of cool. I can't think of other examples.
A couple of leftover items from MSG game:
1) Does anyone know what the official attendance was? I'm guessing there were 10-11,000 people in the building. As expected, not many UConn fans.
2) I was disappointed no hats were thrown onto the ice when Bancfroft registered his hat trick. I wanted to throw mine, but since I was 18 rows from the ice I would have had trouble throwing it that distance and getting it over the glass.
3) Did anyone get an explanation what the officials were looking for when they had that lengthy video replay after the penalty on Rego early in the second period? The play didn't seem to justify such a lengthy delay.
4) It didn't make a difference, but that was a horrible call midway through final period when the UConn player hooked Mitchell, and threw a punch at him. How did UConn end up with a power play? If they were going to give Mitchell and Rego roughing penalties for the altercation, the UConn player should have gotten a double minor, with one for roughing as well.
5) In addition to our fast start, Stienburg's goal late in the first period was key. I had the feeling that if UConn could have picked up a goal before the end of the first period and went into the locker room trailing just 2-1 after being sorely outplayed for most of the period, we would have had a much tougher game on our hands. Instead, we went up 3-0 and UConn never really got into the game.
6) Was anyone else surprised that UConn kept Terness in goal in for the whole game? Not all of the goals were his fault, but he looked shaky much of the game, giving up a lot of rebounds. I would have thought UConn might have pulled him heading into the third period trailing 5-0.
Terness looked fine to me and was probably the only positive about UConn's performance, but yes, perhaps he should've been pulled to at least energize the team. UConn tried to generate energy by being chippy and drawing penalties but it obviously didn't work
Quote from: dbilmes2) I was disappointed no hats were thrown onto the ice when Bancfroft registered his hat trick.
Same here but I was 20 rows back and behind a net. I got the feeling that a lot of people didn't realize it was a hatty until it was announced.
Quote3) Did anyone get an explanation what the officials were looking for when they had that lengthy video replay after the penalty on Rego early in the second period? The play didn't seem to justify such a lengthy delay.
I think Rego's stick got high and up into the helmet but it looked like it rode up his body rather than being a direct crack to the shield.
Everything clicked last night. I loved it.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: dbilmesQuote3) Did anyone get an explanation what the officials were looking for when they had that lengthy video replay after the penalty on Rego early in the second period? The play didn't seem to justify such a lengthy delay.
I think Rego's stick got high and up into the helmet but it looked like it rode up his body rather than being a direct crack to the shield.
Jason Weinstein seemed to think that Schafer asked for the review, and was asking for what happened shortly before the penalty to be reviewed. That was the same player Rego tangled with having hit Rego pretty high (close to his head) and into the boards.
Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
Quote from: andyw2100Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back. It's not a save point. The infraction against the rules still occurred.
Maybe UConn was intimidated by playing in MSG?
On another topic, Bancroft is a 21 yr old freshman with SIX years of Major Junior experience.
There used to be rules about losing years of college eligibility...is that still an issue?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: andyw2100Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back. It's not a save point. The infraction against the rules still occurred.
yeah I think they'd offset. you can lose a goal but no free shots.
Quote from: dbilmes2) I was disappointed no hats were thrown onto the ice when Bancfroft registered his hat trick. I wanted to throw mine, but since I was 18 rows from the ice I would have had trouble throwing it that distance and getting it over the glass.
Same. I was way up in the 200 level and the only way my hat could have made it to the ice was if it had a brick in it.
Would throwing a hat at MSG get someone thrown out? (Without a brick, that is.)
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: ugarteQuote from: dbilmesQuote3) Did anyone get an explanation what the officials were looking for when they had that lengthy video replay after the penalty on Rego early in the second period? The play didn't seem to justify such a lengthy delay.
I think Rego's stick got high and up into the helmet but it looked like it rode up his body rather than being a direct crack to the shield.
Jason Weinstein seemed to think that Schafer asked for the review, and was asking for what happened shortly before the penalty to be reviewed. That was the same player Rego tangled with having hit Rego pretty high (close to his head) and into the boards.
Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
I was wondering if the review was for the elbow to Rego's head before he took his penalty. I too am curious had that call been made, would Rego's penalty have been wiped out.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: andyw2100Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back. It's not a save point. The infraction against the rules still occurred.
yeah I think they'd offset. you can lose a goal but no free shots.
Not quite the same, but I remember the Penguins committing a penalty on a breakaway for a penalty shot. But then a review caught a missed good goal, and since you can't have two goals on one stoppage (whatever that means), the penalty shot became a power play. Pens killed it and the guy who committed it immediately scored once he got back on the ice.
So in that different NHL case, a later penalty still counted after a goal that was missed. But it became a power play instead of a penalty shot.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: andyw2100Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back. It's not a save point. The infraction against the rules still occurred.
Assuming you are correct, what do they do if a penalty is called 30 seconds after an on-ice ruling of no goal during play that winds up being reviewed and found to be a goal? I'm fairly certain the clock is reset to the time of the goal. Would the penalty that occurred later also be assessed at that reset time (the goal time.)
And while I'm definitely not a rules maven, I'm fairly certain that a goal scored by the other team in the above scenario doesn't count if after a stoppage an earlier non-goal is reviewed and found to be a goal, right?
So a goal in that situation comes off the board but a penalty doesn't?
To answer one of my own questions, I just saw the official box score and the attendance was listed as 12,247.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: andyw2100Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back. It's not a save point. The infraction against the rules still occurred.
Assuming you are correct, what do they do if a penalty is called 30 seconds after an on-ice ruling of no goal during play that winds up being reviewed and found to be a goal? I'm fairly certain the clock is reset to the time of the goal. Would the penalty that occurred later also be assessed at that reset time (the goal time.)
And while I'm definitely not a rules maven, I'm fairly certain that a goal scored by the other team in the above scenario doesn't count if after a stoppage an earlier non-goal is reviewed and found to be a goal, right?
So a goal in that situation comes off the board but a penalty doesn't?
In the NHL at least, that first scenario is still a goal and a penalty, if I remember the game I described correctly.
Which I probably don't.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: andyw2100Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?
I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back. It's not a save point. The infraction against the rules still occurred.
Assuming you are correct, what do they do if a penalty is called 30 seconds after an on-ice ruling of no goal during play that winds up being reviewed and found to be a goal? I'm fairly certain the clock is reset to the time of the goal. Would the penalty that occurred later also be assessed at that reset time (the goal time.)
And while I'm definitely not a rules maven, I'm fairly certain that a goal scored by the other team in the above scenario doesn't count if after a stoppage an earlier non-goal is reviewed and found to be a goal, right?
So a goal in that situation comes off the board but a penalty doesn't?
That is my assumption. "Civil actions" (goals, offsides, icings) are wiped out when the clock rewinds. "Criminal actions" (penalties) persist.
I'm guessing. ACM will know the exact rules and their evolution since the Harding administration.
Quote from: osorojoIt appears C.U. does have a competitive Men's hockey team this year. This takes the heat off apologists and puts it where it belongs.
Where exactly does the heat belong now?
Here is the link to the NCAA rule book (http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4656-2022-23-and-2023-24-ncaa-ice-hockey-rules-interpretations.aspx). You can download the PDF for free. Research the answers to your questions there.
Quote from: nshapiroOn another topic, Bancroft is a 21 yr old freshman with SIX years of Major Junior experience.
There used to be rules about losing years of college eligibility...is that still an issue?
According to hockeyDB (https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=199509), Bancroft played six seasons in the OJHL and MHL, which are Junior A leagues and considered to be amateur. Major Junior is the next level up; it is considered a professional level and playing in Major Juniors would remove NCAA eligibility.
Quote from: ACMHere is the link to the NCAA rule book (http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4656-2022-23-and-2023-24-ncaa-ice-hockey-rules-interpretations.aspx). You can download the PDF for free. Research the answers to your questions there.
Thanks, Arthur.
I found this, which I believe we all knew:
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12. When video review confirms the scoring of a goal at one end of the
ice, any goal scored at the other end during intervening action must be
disallowed.
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I also found this, which was not specifically what we were looking for, but is relevant:
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Officials are allowed to review a possible infraction that was not observed
during play and a major penalty may be considered. Should the officials
determine the infraction to be less than a major penalty, officials may not
assess this penalty by video review. However, if the officials determine that a
major penalty, major and game misconduct or disqualification has occurred,
those penalties may be enforced under this rule.
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If I am understanding the above correctly, when the refs reviewed the possible hit to Rego's head, unless they determined that it warranted a major (or more significant) penalty, they could not assess a penalty. In other words, they could conclude, "Yeah, we missed that minor penalty. Oh well."
I found references to the above in at least a couple of other places. The rulebook makes it very clear that a minor penalty may not be assessed based on review, if the infraction missed on the ice.
And getting close to the answer to the question that started this all:
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93.5 Non-Detected Goal - In situations when a non-detected goal is awarded,
officials will reset the game clock accordingly. If penalties occur prior to
or after the undetected goal, these penalties will be enforced regardless of
team.
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It doesn't explicitly state that the time of the penalty will be the same as the time of the goal, but I think that is at least implied by the part about the game clock being reset accordingly.
I could not find anything that explicitly states what happens to a subsequent minor penalty if after review a major penalty is deemed to have taken place before the minor penalty, but it is possible I just missed it.
Thanks, again for the link, Arthur!
4 years and a handful of games spread over 2 years (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/424327/dalton-bancroft). But that's still the longest Junior A career I've ever seen.
His final season in OJHL was dominant. Leading point scorer and MVP. 98 points in 57 games including playoffs.
Quote from: Trotsky4 years and a handful of games spread over 2 years (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/424327/dalton-bancroft). But that's still the longest Junior A career I've ever seen.
His final season in OJHL was dominant. Leading point scorer and MVP. 98 points in 57 games including playoffs.
he played his first game with this team when he was 15 and played a couple more the next year at 16. At the time he was mostly playing for St. Mary's Lincolns (Greater Ontario JHL) and Quinte Red Devils (Eastern AAA HL) (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/424327/dalton-bancroft), the latter of which is a lower level than Juniors. Starting in 2018 he was moving among Ontario and Maritimes Junior teams. I don't think the 6 years seems as long when you discount the first couple of Juniors games as maybe playing up for tryouts or whatever as a kid mostly on local U16 and U18 squads. Was a 1 ppg player for 2 years before exploding last year for almost 2.
Really glad we got him!
IIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
Damn, that was a fun game. I messed around for two weeks beforehand looking at tickets and cursing the $22 pp Ticketmaster fee which came to like $160 for our merry band. But we found seven tickets in Section G, Row A, behind the UConn goal 1st/3rd period, which means we got to see 4 goals. I was minorly pissed that MSG had installed a Row AA meaning we were one row back from the glass. But still, it was fine enough. The row ahead of us was a jolly group of band alums, hangers-on and a spouse from Penn State who was psyched to be in the Garden and at the game. So, okay.
Our group was a regular United Nations of Sport. It included a BU alum (our son, who worked Agganis arena in the penalty box, for which he got PAID), a UConn fan/GF who was a good sport, a prep school hockey trainer son (S Kent (CT) School) and four actual graduated alumni of Fair Cornell.
Bleep Ticketmaster, which would not display the tickets on my phone, which I discovered before leaving home and so transferred to another group phone. If it's possible to vote in favor of an anti-trust investigation, mine's cast.
I see UConn drops two places to 8th in the polls while Cornell still is in the also-ran (below top 20) tier but no longer getting just a single vote. Maybe we can fix that Friday night.
Photos: Section G fans going nuts on the second Cornell goal; the Cornell band (actually, the only band there) offering third-period encouragement to UConn.
Dick Bertrand '70 was a Toronto cop before he discovered Cornell and was the non-playing captain of the Ken Dryden 1970 unbeaten team. He could play RS but not NCAAs. The NCAA tried to level the playing field in favor of Americans by taking away a year of eligibility or more of eligibility for people who were older than the average age of undergrad students. It caught up kids from the Canadian juniors and/but for USA kids there were exemptions for military service years and for Mormons on missionary duty if not for doing that play on Broadway. All that went away over time. Maybe the NCAA realized they'd have a tough time in court explaining why the old proper age for college was 18 to 22.
Quote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
Yes. Junior B was acceptable to the NCAA but not Junior A.
Quote from: martyQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
Yes. Junior B was acceptable to the NCAA but not Junior A.
gotta hope junior a is fine because it would be very surprising if nobody noticed where we've been getting our canadians from.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: martyQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
Yes. Junior B was acceptable to the NCAA but not Junior A.
gotta hope junior a is fine because it would be very surprising if nobody noticed where we've been getting our canadians from.
Bill and I are pulling thoughts from our 1970's memory banks.
I am pretty sure that Dick Bertrand was ineligible for the post-season games because he had turned 26, the age at which one was considered too old to play, rather than an arbitrary distinction between RS and playoffs.
I remember hosting freshmen players for Canadian Thanksgiving in the 80's and serving them beer because they were all 21. At least the Canadian freshmen were.
This from Dick Bertrand himself, as quoted in Forever Faithful - "After your twentieth birthday, every year that you played organized hockey counted as a year of eligibility. I had played a year of organized hockey in Canada after my twentieth birthday, so that counted against me." Bertrand had played in the NCAAs in both 1968 and 1969, so he was declared ineligible in 1970.
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A very good explanation (https://goaliecoaches.com/understanding-junior-hockey-path-nhl/) of Canadian Juniors now.
Junior A are eligible, Major Juniors are not.
To make it confusing, the Major Juniors (now CHL) were Junior A until 1970 when they seceded, like the English Premier League seceded from the Championship. And so on top of the former 1st tier they created a "zeroeth" tier. Post-HS CHL players get a stipend for cough "tuition" (in practice they make American football players look like dedicated scholars) so they lose their amateur status. CHL players can also sign NHL contracts and even play in the NHL up to some magic number of games (8 maybe?) before the team has to choose to keep them up or return them to their CHL team for the rest of the season.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: osorojoIt appears C.U. does have a competitive Men's hockey team this year. This takes the heat off apologists and puts it where it belongs.
Where exactly does the heat belong now?
Miami?
::bolt::
Quote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
Quote from: dag14I am pretty sure that Dick Bertrand was ineligible for the post-season games because he had turned 26, the age at which one was considered too old to play, rather than an arbitrary distinction between RS and playoffs.
I remember hosting freshmen players for Canadian Thanksgiving in the 80's and serving them beer because they were all 21. At least the Canadian freshmen were.
I recently watched the Michigan-Illinois football game and the Illinois punter is a 29-year-old Australian, so the rules have obviously changed over the years.
Quote from: dag14I am pretty sure that Dick Bertrand was ineligible for the post-season games because he had turned 26, the age at which one was considered too old to play, rather than an arbitrary distinction between RS and playoffs. I remember hosting freshmen players for Canadian Thanksgiving in the 80's and serving them beer because they were all 21. At least the Canadian freshmen were.
It's hazy, this is a half-century ago, a lot of stuff I remember never really happened but it was still a good story. My recall is Bertrand played during the regular season but at least for senior year, he was not eligible for the NCAA tournament. He was I believe 29 at the time. Maybe the NCAA had a lose-a-year thing for years over 26.
There was a sense at the time, especially at BC, that hockey played in the US should be for USA Americans only. Jump ahead two generations and I see stats showing the percentage of Canadians in Division 1 hockey is down to 30%.
Still is a shame that Bertrand went from player/team captain directly to head coach and never had the chance to apprentice for a couple years as an assistant HC at Cornell or elsewhere. Else his Cornell tenure might have been longer.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: dag14I am pretty sure that Dick Bertrand was ineligible for the post-season games because he had turned 26, the age at which one was considered too old to play, rather than an arbitrary distinction between RS and playoffs. I remember hosting freshmen players for Canadian Thanksgiving in the 80's and serving them beer because they were all 21. At least the Canadian freshmen were.
It's hazy, this is a half-century ago, a lot of stuff I remember never really happened but it was still a good story. My recall is Bertrand played during the regular season but at least for senior year, he was not eligible for the NCAA tournament. He was I believe 29 at the time. Maybe the NCAA had a lose-a-year thing for years over 26.
There was a sense at the time, especially at BC, that hockey played in the US should be for USA Americans only. Jump ahead two generations and I see stats showing the percentage of Canadians in Division 1 hockey is down to 30%.
Still is a shame that Bertrand went from player/team captain directly to head coach and never had the chance to apprentice for a couple years as an assistant HC at Cornell or elsewhere. Else his Cornell tenure might have been longer.
His biggest problem was having to replace a legend such as Ned. And, trust me, he was very sensitive to that!
I clearly mis-remembered/misspoke. He was 26 as a freshman. We were contemporaries at Cornell but all the hockey players seemed old when you were a 17 year old freshman!
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/11/stewart.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1116)
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/11/stewart.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1116)
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
Yes. You're in it.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/11/stewart.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1116)
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
I'm more of a Sally's guy, but that stuff ain't pizza.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/11/stewart.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1116)
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
I'm more of a Sally's guy, but that stuff ain't pizza.
Frank Pepe's is a close second to Modern Apizza for me - Sally's is my third favorite but still elite
Nothing beats a New Haven pie
Quote from: DuncQuote from: arugulaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
I'm more of a Sally's guy, but that stuff ain't pizza.
Frank Pepe's is a close second to Modern Apizza for me - Sally's is my third favorite but still elite
Nothing beats a New Haven pie
The strange chauvinism that surrounds pizza is not something that I've ever understood. There are different "pizzas," or whatever you want to call something made with sauce and cheese on top of dough, for different applications, and there are many styles that are great in their own right.
Chicago has about three different kinds of pizza, and it's too bad that the "pizza casserole" that is "Chicago deep dish" has been associated with that fine city. That being said, if you're in the mood for something heavy and laden with meat, Chicago deep dish can be fine. Just expect to eat at the most two pieces. Chicago also has
another style of deep dish, which is more like an old Pizza Hut deep dish but with a cracker meal or something crust. It's good. There are thin pizzas too, if that's your liking.
Detroit-style pizza is a thing, and, although it's super oily and greasy, is really great. Every once in a while, when I am pining for old Ann Arbor town, I miss it. Closest thing from my childhood was Pudgie (or Brozetti's, if you're in Johnson City). The taste of a Pudgie's sheet was a particular thing, and kind of great in its own right.
New Haven "apizza" is great, of course. But it's a serious chew, and not always what I'm in the mood for. Indeed, we mostly head out to the local Greek place here—the Yorkside—for pizza and salad. It's Greek pizza, which is the same at most Greek places. I like it lots and the Yorkside is the best approximation to the sadly departed Greek House that I have ever found. Great college feel, even if it's Yale-y.
New York has pizza, I guess. I see those big slices as floppy flatbreads or akin to sauce on a tortilla, but to each his own. Certainly works great when you need to walk and eat. Woe to anyone trying to do that with just about any of the rest of these styles.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: DuncQuote from: arugulaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
I'm more of a Sally's guy, but that stuff ain't pizza.
Frank Pepe's is a close second to Modern Apizza for me - Sally's is my third favorite but still elite
Nothing beats a New Haven pie
The strange chauvinism that surrounds pizza is not something that I've ever understood. There are different "pizzas," or whatever you want to call something made with sauce and cheese on top of dough, for different applications, and there are many styles that are great in their own right.
Chicago has about three different kinds of pizza, and it's too bad that the "pizza casserole" that is "Chicago deep dish" has been associated with that fine city. That being said, if you're in the mood for something heavy and laden with meat, Chicago deep dish can be fine. Just expect to eat at the most two pieces. Chicago also has another style of deep dish, which is more like an old Pizza Hut deep dish but with a cracker meal or something crust. It's good. There are thin pizzas too, if that's your liking.
Detroit-style pizza is a thing, and, although it's super oily and greasy, is really great. Every once in a while, when I am pining for old Ann Arbor town, I miss it. Closest thing from my childhood was Pudgie (or Brozetti's, if you're in Johnson City). The taste of a Pudgie's sheet was a particular thing, and kind of great in its own right.
New Haven "apizza" is great, of course. But it's a serious chew, and not always what I'm in the mood for. Indeed, we mostly head out to the local Greek place here—the Yorkside—for pizza and salad. It's Greek pizza, which is the same at most Greek places. I like it lots and the Yorkside is the best approximation to the sadly departed Greek House that I have ever found. Great college feel, even if it's Yale-y.
New York has pizza, I guess. I see those big slices as floppy flatbreads or akin to sauce on a tortilla, but to each his own. Certainly works great when you need to walk and eat. Woe to anyone trying to do that with just about any of the rest of these styles.
https://uncoveringpa.com/altoona-style-pizza
Quote from: WederQuote from: Scersk '97The strange chauvinism that surrounds pizza is not something that I've ever understood. There are different "pizzas," or whatever you want to call something made with sauce and cheese on top of dough, for different applications, and there are many styles that are great in their own right.
https://uncoveringpa.com/altoona-style-pizza
Yikes! ::bolt::
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: WederQuote from: Scersk '97The strange chauvinism that surrounds pizza is not something that I've ever understood. There are different "pizzas," or whatever you want to call something made with sauce and cheese on top of dough, for different applications, and there are many styles that are great in their own right.
https://uncoveringpa.com/altoona-style-pizza
Yikes! ::bolt::
Indeed. That stuff is an abomination...and I like Old Forge white pizza.
The only thing good about Altoona pizza are the Middleswarth potato chips shown in the picture of the store.
Quote from: DuncQuote from: arugulaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/11/stewart.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1116)
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
I'm more of a Sally's guy, but that stuff ain't pizza.
Frank Pepe's is a close second to Modern Apizza for me - Sally's is my third favorite but still elite
Nothing beats a New Haven pie
Indeed. All great.
Quote from: Scersk '97The strange chauvinism that surrounds pizza is not something that I've ever understood.
You understand it fine.
People are thirsty, and parochialism serves their thirst. Screaming your city / region / school / food / gender / religion / economic system / race / country is the best is a cringe version of screaming
you're the best. It's Dump's "many are saying."
And then, people who want something from you pander to it.
'Ello, Cleveland!
There is one exception to this. Harvard really does suck.
Quote from: DuncQuote from: arugulaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/11/stewart.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1116)
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
I'm more of a Sally's guy, but that stuff ain't pizza.
Frank Pepe's is a close second to Modern Apizza for me - Sally's is my third favorite but still elite
Nothing beats a New Haven pie
This thread doesn't count as drift since it is the Connecticut game thread.
BTW: 1st meeting & 1st win = chalk up another team we now have a winning all-time record against.
"Where does the heat belong now?" Upon the the players and the coaches - as always. Do not confuse sports with politics.
Quote from: arugulaQuote from: DuncQuote from: arugulaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: The RancorQuote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: The RancorQuote from: billhowardIIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.
Agree, all great. 1- Nine's deep dish was not Chicago Pizza. B- I forgot about Hot Truck. WGC!!
RIP The Palms, Rulloff's.
The Chariot. The Nines.
Chapter House, yo.
there's a whole thread for this
All of these. Especially the Nines Deep Dish.
which still cant believe no one took the recipe and used it around town someplace.. So hard to find a good deep dish now
It's a cheese casserole.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/11/stewart.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1116)
+1, written after having a real pie today at Frank Pepe.
I'm more of a Sally's guy, but that stuff ain't pizza.
Frank Pepe's is a close second to Modern Apizza for me - Sally's is my third favorite but still elite
Nothing beats a New Haven pie
Indeed. All great.
I agree, all great. 1) Nines deep dish wasn't Chicago Pizza. B) I forgot about Hot Truck. WCG!
Quote from: osorojo"Where does the heat belong now?" Upon the the players and the coaches - as always. Do not confuse sports with politics.
You really see your "responsibility" as a fan to bring heat? Are you perhaps familiar with this text (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/The_Authoritarian_Personality_%28first_edition%29.jpg)?
Just in case you are not aware of this, Hot Truck's menu is available at the Short Stop Deli (I assume this is still true, although I have not been back to Ithaca since Covid)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97The strange chauvinism that surrounds pizza is not something that I've ever understood.
You understand it fine.
People are thirsty, and parochialism serves their thirst.
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There is one exception to this. Harvard really does suck.
I guess it's always a matter of degree. A mild, benign parochialism gives spice and variety to life; indeed, in no way do I want our culture to become homogenized any more than it already has, and a bit of parochialism seems an adequate antidote. And then it goes too far. I blame social media, as I do in all things.
But, yes, Harvard does suck. Not parochialism. Demonstrable fact.
Quote from: nshapiroJust in case you are not aware of this, Hot Truck's menu is available at the Short Stop Deli (I assume this is still true, although I have not been back to Ithaca since Covid)
Yes, it's available. Short Stop Menu (https://www.shortstopdeli.com/menu)
Quote from: Larry72Quote from: nshapiroJust in case you are not aware of this, Hot Truck's menu is available at the Short Stop Deli (I assume this is still true, although I have not been back to Ithaca since Covid)
Yes, it's available. Short Stop Menu (https://www.shortstopdeli.com/menu)
Though sadly Shortstop hasn't been open 24/7 since before the pandemic, and who really wants Hot Truck before 10 p.m. at the earliest?
SS closing at like 9PM now is pretty sad..
The cuisine at the Palms left a bit to be desired - but The Palms attracted about as wide a variety of patrons as any dive I have ever known: From Cha Cardone and Obie O'Brian to Doug Ferguson.
Quote from: upprdeckSS closing at like 9PM now is pretty sad..
Massively depressing.
Quote from: WederQuote from: Larry72Quote from: nshapiroJust in case you are not aware of this, Hot Truck's menu is available at the Short Stop Deli (I assume this is still true, although I have not been back to Ithaca since Covid)
Yes, it's available. Short Stop Menu (https://www.shortstopdeli.com/menu)
Though sadly Shortstop hasn't been open 24/7 since before the pandemic, and who really wants Hot Truck before 10 p.m. at the earliest?
They will, however, assemble the sandwiches for purchase without grilling them, pack them in a box, and keep them chilled until you can pick them up. Last time I knew I would be in Ithaca I placed an order for pickup of 10 WGCs (full-size, what SS calls "grand slam"), and we've been taking them out of the freezer as we need them. Thaw in the fridge, then 475° for 10 minutes open flat. Almost as good as freshly made, right here in Brooklyn.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: WederQuote from: Larry72Quote from: nshapiroJust in case you are not aware of this, Hot Truck's menu is available at the Short Stop Deli (I assume this is still true, although I have not been back to Ithaca since Covid)
Yes, it's available. Short Stop Menu (https://www.shortstopdeli.com/menu)
Though sadly Shortstop hasn't been open 24/7 since before the pandemic, and who really wants Hot Truck before 10 p.m. at the earliest?
They will, however, assemble the sandwiches for purchase without grilling them, pack them in a box, and keep them chilled until you can pick them up. Last time I knew I would be in Ithaca I placed an order for pickup of 10 WGCs (full-size, what SS calls "grand slam"), and we've been taking them out of the freezer as we need them. Thaw in the fridge, then 475° for 10 minutes open flat. Almost as good as freshly made, right here in Brooklyn.
Thanks.
That beats trying to eat one on a Sunday afternoon after having brunch at The Antlers.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: WederQuote from: Larry72Quote from: nshapiroJust in case you are not aware of this, Hot Truck's menu is available at the Short Stop Deli (I assume this is still true, although I have not been back to Ithaca since Covid)
Yes, it's available. Short Stop Menu (https://www.shortstopdeli.com/menu)
Though sadly Shortstop hasn't been open 24/7 since before the pandemic, and who really wants Hot Truck before 10 p.m. at the earliest?
They will, however, assemble the sandwiches for purchase without grilling them, pack them in a box, and keep them chilled until you can pick them up. Last time I knew I would be in Ithaca I placed an order for pickup of 10 WGCs (full-size, what SS calls "grand slam"), and we've been taking them out of the freezer as we need them. Thaw in the fridge, then 475° for 10 minutes open flat. Almost as good as freshly made, right here in Brooklyn.
I can't imagine getting drunk enough in the comfort of my own home to enjoy hot truck then trusting myself to operate my oven.
The whole idea of a WGC is if it causes a grease fire you can just walk away.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: upprdeckSS closing at like 9PM now is pretty sad..
Massively depressing.
cf. all of C-town.
It's over, it's been entirely nuked.
Ironically, the Commons has a shit ton of good new stuff... which still closes before the game ends. Do the keeeds go to bed at 9 these days? Mais où sont les vomissions d'anten?
I was in CTown after the HArvard game.. the Hideway with 1 person in it at at 10pm tells you how much it has changed over the years..