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Time to start a new thread.  I see that the incoming recruiting class is posted.  Pretty guard heavy.  Was hoping they could bring in some more height.  Maybe a player out of this group can pick up the slack for Jordan Jones's scoring punch (Jones went into the Transfer Portal).

DJ Nix had offers from Boston College & Washington State

First recruit for 2023-24 has committed:  Jake Fiegen, a 6-3 guard from Illinois.  The report is that he's a sharpshooter and had offers from Navy and Cal-Poly.

Quote from: mountainredFirst recruit for 2023-24 has committed:  Jake Fiegen, a 6-3 guard from Illinois.  The report is that he's a sharpshooter and had offers from Navy and Cal-Poly.

My fears, recalling 45 off years, about 5 good years, the sweet sixteen year, is that a 6-foot-3 recruit is coming in as a forward. Fortunately not in this case.

Be nice to have an extra stat (alongside favororite color or astrological sign): Aspirational step-up school if you really develop by sophomore year.

New recruit for Fall of '23, Ian Omegwu, a 6'9" forward from Blair Academy in NJ. Brings some needed size to the program. Not a big scorer last season at Blair, but apparently has been productive on the summer circuit. He held one other D1 offer from Rider, and apparently had serious interest from other Ivy and Patriot programs.

Quote from: scoop85New recruit for Fall of '23, Ian Omegwu, a 6'9" forward from Blair Academy in NJ. Brings some needed size to the program. Not a big scorer last season at Blair, but apparently has been productive on the summer circuit. He held one other D1 offer from Rider, and apparently had serious interest from other Ivy and Patriot programs.

Ian Imegwu

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Quote from: scoop85New recruit for Fall of '23, Ian Omegwu, a 6'9" forward from Blair Academy in NJ. Brings some needed size to the program. Not a big scorer last season at Blair, but apparently has been productive on the summer circuit. He held one other D1 offer from Rider, and apparently had serious interest from other Ivy and Patriot programs.

Ian Imegwu

Thanks for the correction

Quote from: Ken711Ian Imegwu

More typing class practice for above and below the home row

I thought Blair only produced wrestlers. (Too be clear, I know Blair has a great hoops program).

If his coach's tweets are to be believed, Ian is a lefty "physical stretch 5" (read that as likes to take three pointers) who was getting interest from Elon, Wagner, UMBC, & Maine.

Men's hoops is picked to finish 5th in the Ivies, behind the usual suspects.  Bart Torvik (https://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Cornell) pegs the Big Red at 7-7 and tied with Princeton for 4th. KenPom agrees at 7-7 and 4th, but tied with Harvard.  Of course, KenPom's info is behind a paywall, so you didn't hear that from me.

Season begins Monday (tomorrow as I type this) at BC.  Here's a thumbnail of the team for those who don't really follow.  Last year saw Coach Earl change his style completely as the team played at a much faster pace (11th fastest in the nation) and used a ton of players (13 regulars who got at least 8 minutes a game).  And it worked pretty well, 15 wins, 4th place in the league, and the Big Red were the only team to beat both Princeton and Yale, who were the two best teams in the league last year.

Gone to graduation are All-Ivy Guard Dean Noll, captain Sarju Patel, and center Kobe Dickson.  Wing Jordan Jones left the team with the stated intention of transferring, but it appears he remains a Cornell student.  Anyway, here is who remains:

Guards:  Sr. Greg Dolan is a point guard out of central casting; he passes and shoots well.  It would be great if he can make the kind of senior year jump that Noll made last year.  So. Nazir Williams is more of a scorer than a distributor.  He was dynamic at times, other times he looked like a rookie trying to do too much.  Still, he has the potential to be special.  JuCo transfer Max Watson is aiming to be a three point sniper along the lines of Drew Ferry, he shot 40% from behind the arc last season.  Jr. Isiah Gray is a ferocious defender with a high basketball IQ; he was supposed to be the best recruit from the class of '24.  His problem last year was he couldn't shoot at all (50% from the line and 0 for the season from 3).  He will be a difference-maker if he can get those number up, otherwise he's nice role player off the bench thanks to his D.

Wings: Jr. Chris Manon is the lone returning full-time starter.  He's a disruptive force who was second in the league in steals and had the ability to take over a game.  He could also drift into hero ball.  He's uber-talented though and the best best to be all-Ivy because of how he contributes in every category.  Fr. DJ Nix is the most highly-regarded recruit of Earl's tenure and should be part of the regular rotation from the start.

Forwards: Jr. Keller Boothby was among the nation's three point shooting leaders all season, finishing at an outstanding 49.5% (41.7 in league games).  He also rebounds fairly well.  But his offense last year was limited to the 3s as he only took 14 shots inside the arc all season.  His league percentage is probably more sustainable, but over 40% is still outstanding.   Sr. Marcus Filien started to get more run in the league season where he helped on the glass.  Soph. Guy Ragland made 10-16 3's during an early season stretch of 4 games.  Unfortunately, over the rest of the season, a much larger sample size, he was just 14 for 53, and spent far too much time behind the arc for his skill set.  Soph. Evan Williams caught a few minutes here or there and flashed some interesting skills to me.

Center/Post:  Jr. Sean Hansen takes over the post role, a role that remains vital cog in the offense as our high post is expected to distribute to the guards cutting to the basket.  Hansen is a better shooter than was Dickson, but Kobe was a surprisingly efficient passer.  Hansen's ability to make the half-court offense run will be critical.  So. Chris Cain could see some time in the post, as could 6-10 So. Ryan Kiachian, who missed all of last year with an injury.

Should be an entertaining year with the guys in the mix for a spot in the Ivy Tournament.  The style Earl discovered before last year creates match-up problems and hides some of the height problems since less time is spent in the half-court set.  It should also help with recruiting; Nix claimed it was a big factor in his decision.  There doesn't look to be a superteam in the Ivies, but Penn is largely seen as the favorite.

After BC, the team has both of their annual D3 games, two very winnable games with Canisius and Monmouth and a toss-up at St. Francis.  5-1 (or dare to dream 6-0) at the end of the month would be great; 4-2 is fine; 3-3 would be disappointing, 2-4 terrible, and let's not consider anything worse.

Looking at the first game notes, it appears that Williams and Kiachian are outside the projected rotation, while Fr. G Cooper Noard may be in it.  Noard was the main scorer on his suburban Chicago high school team.

Thanks for the preview.

Yeah, thanks.

Let's hope they continue improving.

Really nice work, mountain.  Thank you very much.

Happy to help.  If Earl plays the same style, and all indications are that he will, the team is fun to watch.  The game notes also list Williams, Dolan, Gray, Boothby and Hansen as the "probable" starters.  Gray is a bit a surprise, but maybe that portends he's improved his shooting.  Also a surprise to see Manon is likely not starting.  Perhaps he's hurt, or maybe Earl wants to save him for the second wave.  When you play a dozen guys 10-20 minutes, being a starter doesn't mean as much.

Thanks for reminding us the basketball still exists and won't be terrible. My undergrad years there was a ~4-23 season (no, not coached by David Archer Sr.) and it made Sports Illustrated, but not for the excellence of Cornell basketball and player-coach goodwill.

And from this team 40 years later came a sweet sixteen team.

Cornell weathered some brutal early shooting to get to within 2 at the half 43-41.  11 guys have seen action so far.

Quote from: mountainredCornell weathered some brutal early shooting to get to within 2 at the half 43-41.  11 guys have seen action so far.

Live by the three, die by the three.

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Quote from: mountainredCornell weathered some brutal early shooting to get to within 2 at the half 43-41.  11 guys have seen action so far.

Live by the three, die by the three.

Ragland is as wild tonight as he is fearless

Cornell leads 68-65 with 4:53 left. Nazir Williams is showing he's our best talent, and by a significant margin.

Watching us play is thrilling and infuriating all at once. We do some great things and amazingly bonehead things in the span of seconds. Up by 2 with about 3 minutes left, but just had a 6 point lead with a chance to go up 8.

BC hits a shot with under a second left to win 79-77. Very frustrating, as this one was very winnable for the reasons scoop mentioned.

Random thoughts:

Williams is fricking talented and is going to be special.  His body control is astounding.

Dolan is a rock in the back court and very efficient.  And Gray is a tremendous defender who looks like he can play some offense.  If so, he's very valuable.

Ragland could be a real difference maker if he played to his strengths and stayed near the glass, but 1-7 from behind the arc hurts the team.

Hansen's passing is going to be a problem if it doesn't get better fast.

One more to help me sleep.  The Ivies lost every d1 game they played tonight and the Big Red were the only ones who played with a power 5 team.  So, yay?!?

Quote from: mountainredRandom thoughts:

Williams is fricking talented and is going to be special.  His body control is astounding.

Dolan is a rock in the back court and very efficient.  And Gray is a tremendous defender who looks like he can play some offense.  If so, he's very valuable.

Ragland could be a real difference maker if he played to his strengths and stayed near the glass, but 1-7 from behind the arc hurts the team.

Hansen's passing is going to be a problem if it doesn't get better fast.

I posted last year that Williams was our best player, but he wasn't consistent enough. If tonight's performance is any indication, he'll be in the running for All Ivy this year.

The coaches have to rope in Ragland on those wild 3's. It's nice the kid is fearless, but he needs to show a bit better judgment.

Agreed about Hansen's passing—that's got to improve given the type of offense we play.

Nice debut for Watson. He's a good fit for our style. I thought Nix would be in the rotation, but maybe he'll work his way in as the season moves along.

Really would have been great to walk away with the win, but a few too many turnovers and gave up some ill-timed offensive rebounds when BC made it's late run. But a lot to be optimistic about.

thanks all for the session preview and game analysis. I hadn't realized the season was starting until I saw the final score on Twitter and did a double-take. already looking forward to the Columbia game.

Quote from: scoop85The coaches have to rope in Ragland on those wild 3's. It's nice the kid is fearless, but he needs to show a bit better judgment.

Good insights. Also: You just defined college student.

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Quote from: scoop85The coaches have to rope in Ragland on those wild 3's. It's nice the kid is fearless, but he needs to show a bit better judgment.

Good insights. Also: You just defined college student.

See the article about Cornell in today's New York Times.

One of the annual D3 games was tonight, and the BR took care of business 114-57.  Last 10 minutes was full "empty the bench mode," so first sightings of DJ Nix, Ryan Kiachian, Adam Tsang Hinton, Josh Baldwin, and a guy that was added to the roster today AK Okereke.

One of the annual D3 games was tonight, and the BR took care of business 114-57.  Last 10 minutes was full "empty the bench mode," so first sightings of DJ Nix, Ryan Kiachian, Adam Tsang Hinton, Josh Baldwin, and a guy that was added to the roster today AK Okereke.

Quote from: mountainredOne of the annual D3 games was tonight, and the BR took care of business 114-57.  Last 10 minutes was full "empty the bench mode," so first sightings of DJ Nix, Ryan Kiachian, Adam Tsang Hinton, Josh Baldwin, and a guy that was added to the roster today AK Okereke.

Serious question. How does a guy just get added to the roster today? Where did he come from?

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Quote from: mountainredOne of the annual D3 games was tonight, and the BR took care of business 114-57.  Last 10 minutes was full "empty the bench mode," so first sightings of DJ Nix, Ryan Kiachian, Adam Tsang Hinton, Josh Baldwin, and a guy that was added to the roster today AK Okereke.

Serious question. How does a guy just get added to the roster today? Where did he come from?

Good question, I was wondering the same thing.  From this story (https://www.clovisroundup.com/double-threat-how-ak-okereke-found-success-on-court-and-in-classroom/) it seems like AK is a walk-on who was admitted to Cornell as a regular student.  Putting up 22.3 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 3.4 assists per game at a good sized high school in Fresno means he may earn some PT.

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Quote from: mountainredOne of the annual D3 games was tonight, and the BR took care of business 114-57.  Last 10 minutes was full "empty the bench mode," so first sightings of DJ Nix, Ryan Kiachian, Adam Tsang Hinton, Josh Baldwin, and a guy that was added to the roster today AK Okereke.

Serious question. How does a guy just get added to the roster today? Where did he come from?

Good question, I was wondering the same thing.  From this story (https://www.clovisroundup.com/double-threat-how-ak-okereke-found-success-on-court-and-in-classroom/) it seems like AK is a walk-on who was admitted to Cornell as a regular student.  Putting up 22.3 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 3.4 assists per game at a good sized high school in Fresno means he may earn some PT.

Now I'm remembering my freshmen-year roommate (and senior-year housemate), Max Turkenich, who used to play pick-up games all the time. Our senior year, there were a number of recruits who quit the team over differences with the coach (Al Walker, I think?). Yadda-yadda, Max made the team as a walk-on from the JV squad, and only got garbage time. I got to see him on TV during the winter break as the game vs. Kansas was carried by ESPN. He didn't even start on Senior Night, but as the game vs. Penn got out of hand, we led the chants to put in Max. He finally got in, and hit the final shot as we lost by 15, but the crowd exploded. The local papers had nice write-ups about it.  Walker got fired, and went to Binghamton several years later.

https://cornellbigred.com/documents/2015/4/10//3_02_96_Pennsylvania.pdf

Quote from: mountainredOne of the annual D3 games was tonight, and the BR took care of business 114-57.  Last 10 minutes was full "empty the bench mode," so first sightings of DJ Nix, Ryan Kiachian, Adam Tsang Hinton, Josh Baldwin, and a guy that was added to the roster today AK Okereke.

Perhaps so bad the opponent played in Icognito Mode. It was SUNY-Delhi (southeast of Oneonta and I-88): https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/11/10/bombs-away-mens-basketball-hits-record-22-3-pointers-in-win-over-suny-delhi.aspx

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Quote from: mountainredOne of the annual D3 games was tonight, and the BR took care of business 114-57.  Last 10 minutes was full "empty the bench mode," so first sightings of DJ Nix, Ryan Kiachian, Adam Tsang Hinton, Josh Baldwin, and a guy that was added to the roster today AK Okereke.

Perhaps so bad the opponent played in Icognito Mode. It was SUNY-Delhi (southeast of Oneonta and I-88): https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/11/10/bombs-away-mens-basketball-hits-record-22-3-pointers-in-win-over-suny-delhi.aspx

You know, I thought the Broncos were a decent D3 squad, certainly compared to some of the D3 teams Cornell has scheduled, but they'd played the night before and wanted to play at Cornell's pace.  They just didn't have the legs to keep up.  Credit to the team for taking care of business.

Everyone who was healthy got to play and no one was injured.  About all you can ask for.

Cornell escapes St. Francis with an 80-77 win they tried hard to give away, hitting just 4 of their last 10 FTs.  Hansen with 26 pts, 5 assists, and no turnovers to be the MVP.  He was perfect from the field and perfect from the line until he joined the team effort down the stretch.  Dolan had 19, Gray was on fire in the first half, and Max Watson hit some key shots down the stretch.  

Earl is still looking for the depth he had last year as only 8 guys played in the second half.

On the bright side, the guys found a way to win a road game when they weren't hitting 3's, weren't hitting foul shots, Boothby was o-fer from behind the arc and Williams fouled out in 11 minutes with no points.

Quote from: mountainredCornell escapes St. Francis with an 80-77 win they tried hard to give away, hitting just 4 of their last 10 FTs.  Hansen with 26 pts, 5 assists, and no turnovers to be the MVP.  He was perfect from the field and perfect from the line until he joined the team effort down the stretch.  Dolan had 19, Gray was on fire in the first half, and Max Watson hit some key shots down the stretch.  

Earl is still looking for the depth he had last year as only 8 guys played in the second half.

On the bright side, the guys found a way to win a road game when they weren't hitting 3's, weren't hitting foul shots, Boothby was o-fer from behind the arc and Williams fouled out in 11 minutes with no points.

I seem to recall we struggled at the foul line early last season but improved as the year went on. Hopefully we see a similar pattern this year.

Guys sleepwalk through a win over IC (an inner city rival as Barry called them a couple of times) 83-61.  Most of the game played in the 10-15 point range, so no chance to get the deep reserves any real time.  Which sucks because that is about the only reason to play these D3 games.  Some thoughts:

* Half of Cornell's shots were from behind the arc, which is silliness considering the height advantage Cornell had.  Rebounds were about even, which again should not happen.  The team looked really disinterested.
* Really nice game by Ragland:  14p, 10r, and he took twice as many shots from inside the arc as outside.  Ithaca had no answer for his athleticism.
* Freshman Josh Baldwin was part of the main rotation.  Earl seems to like him.

Matinee win over Canisius 79-70.  Most of the second half was played at a 12-ish point spread, until the Griffs hit 6 straight 3 pointers to get to within 5 at 75-70.

Nice balance on offense as 6 players had 10, 11, or 12 points.  Throw in 10 steals and winning the rebounding game.  But hitting just 2 of the last 6 free throws, including two misses on the front end of one and ones, has got to stop or it will cost the team a win.

Quote from: mountainredMatinee win over Canisius 79-70.  Most of the second half was played at a 12-ish point spread, until the Griffs hit 6 straight 3 pointers to get to within 5 at 75-70.

Nice balance on offense as 6 players had 10, 11, or 12 points.  Throw in 10 steals and winning the rebounding game.  But hitting just 2 of the last 6 free throws, including two misses on the front end of one and ones, has got to stop or it will cost the team a win.

Great to see the balanced scoring, and Ragland actually hit a few threes (although I wish he'd concentrate on playing closer to the basket).

But the FT shooting at the end of the game has to improve or it will surely bite us in the rear end.

Quote from: scoop85Ragland actually hit a few threes (although I wish he'd concentrate on playing closer to the basket).

You and me both scoop.  Ragland could be a force if he shot just enough 3's that his man has to respect it and come out to guard him.  His rebounding, defense and passing are really outstanding.

Next stop: at winless Monmouth, but don't read too much into that because the Hawks overscheduled.  It should be a tight game.

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Quote from: scoop85Ragland actually hit a few threes (although I wish he'd concentrate on playing closer to the basket).

You and me both scoop.  Ragland could be a force if he shot just enough 3's that his man has to respect it and come out to guard him.  His rebounding, defense and passing are really outstanding.

Next stop: at winless Monmouth, but don't read too much into that because the Hawks overscheduled.  It should be a tight game.

Yes, Monmouth's schedule so far has been brutal. I saw their game against Colgate, and Monmouth will be competitive even though we should come out on top.

So glad I found this place.  I've been waiting for that other board to approve me, not realizing that they apparently haven't had anyone running it since 2012.  LOL.

So stoked about how this team has played so far this season.  I'm shocked Brian Earl was back for another season, frankly.  I figured someone would poach him after last season.  He's a brilliant coach, at least for the type of basketball the Ivies (and other mid-majors) usually have to play.

I am not a fan of criticizing college kids who play basketball, so I'm trying to be circumspect when I say that Guy Ragland's play has been extremely disappointing so far.  Hopefully he will improve, just as someone like Kobe Dickson did last season.

Cornell beats Monmouth on the road by 18 after leading by as many as 30. Again we had balanced scoring, with no one with more than 12 points. Although Monmouth is in a rebuild, that's an encouraging road win.

Out for the holiday weekend, but really wishing I could have watched the 53-16 run the guys had against Monmouth; from 7 down to up 30 is crazy.

The top 8 on this team are really good.  Dolan, Gray, Williams and Watson are a nice rotation at guard.  Manon is difficult match-up at wing (when he plays in control).  And Hansen, Ragland and Boothby provide different looks as our bigs.  The drop off after that is pretty steep, however.  Filien seems to be the next guy off the bench; he is a solid rebounder, but his offensive game has never come around.  So. Cain and Fr. Baldwin are next, but they just don't seem ready yet.  I'm mildly disappointed Nix hasn't forced himself into the rotation.

5-1 is as good as we could have realistically hoped for -- it was very close to 6-0 -- and the basketball they play is entertaining (if occasionally frustrating when they start being overly-reliant on the three).

The rest of the non-conference schedule consists of two road tips to power five teams (Miami and SU), three home games against teams that aren't very good (Lafayette, Lehigh and Bingo), a trip to a good Colgate team who beat Syracuse again (and just lost to Penn) and a trip to Delaware that looks like a toss-up.  I would take 9-4 entering league play and be happy, but I'm greedy and would like another win or two.

https://twitter.com/richflanagan33/status/1597249060658114560

Looks like a nice guard prospect.

I wish I understood what Ragland is doing most of the time.

WHAT.  A.  COMEBACK!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Outscored Delaware 20-2 after being down by 11 with about five minutes left.  Amazing.

Quote from: Mr. NissWHAT.  A.  COMEBACK!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh, yep!

Cornell closes on a 12-0 run to beat Delaware 74-67!  This after the chickens had an 18-3 run late to seemingly put the game away.  A lot of credit to the guys for fighting back on the road.

With 4:26 left, Delaware led 65-54.  Greg Dolan was very clutch as he scored 11 of team high 15 in that final 4:26.  20 team assists to 10 team turnovers and 10 team steals.

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Quote from: Mr. NissWHAT.  A.  COMEBACK!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh, yep!

Cornell closes on a 12-0 run to beat Delaware 74-67!  This after the chickens had an 18-3 run late to seemingly put the game away.  A lot of credit to the guys for fighting back on the road.

With 4:26 left, Delaware led 65-54.  Greg Dolan was very clutch as he scored 11 of team high 15 in that final 4:26.  20 team assists to 10 team turnovers and 10 team steals.

****

The last time I looked at Ken Pom before the game, Delaware was about 20 spots ahead of us.  His prediction had us losing by 4.  

They're now 191 and we're 180.

Six spots ahead of Louisville.

Now that's balanced scoring.

Quote from: ugarteNow that's balanced scoring.

It's the depth of this team that sets it apart from most college programs. No reason we shouldn't be in the running for a top-4 league finish.

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Quote from: ugarteNow that's balanced scoring.

It's the depth of this team that sets it apart from most college programs. No reason we shouldn't be in the running for a top-4 league finish.

For the season, Dolan is averaging 13.4 points a game to lead the team.  The rest of the eight man rotation averages between 10.7 (Williams) and 8.1 (Ragland and Watson).  Defenses have to worry about everyone on the floor equally.

41-41 at the half versus a mediocre Lafayette team.  The Leopards hit 8 of 13 three pointers, including a banked in thirty-footer to end the half, and all seven of their foul shots.

Down by 8 late in second half. May need another big closing run to pull this one out. If we do, it would match our longest win streak since the season we went to Sweet 16 (2009-10).

Quote from: dbilmesDown by 8 late in second half. May need another big closing run to pull this one out. If we do, it would match our longest win streak since the season we went to Sweet 16 (2009-10).

And they get it!  Good guys escape with a 73-68 win.

Lafayette completes a three point play with 4:08 to go, and never score again.  Great defense down the stretch by the Big Red to close on an 11-0 run.

Manon, Dolan, and Williams with a game high 12 points. And credit to Filien for some big time rebounds late and then hitting the final two FTs to largely ice the game.

Cornell-Miami is on NESN+ tonight at 7, for those who have that channel.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioCornell-Miami is on NESN+ tonight at 7, for those who have that channel.

Had to stop and think, Cradle of Coaches Miami of Ohio Redhawks, or Lost Instutional Control of Hurricanes Football 1990s? It's Hurricanes.

(Sports Illustrated line from the 1990s: "Miami was the only football team with player pictures taken from the front and both sides." )

i guess they keep the camera on him?

Miami hitting threes.  Cornell isn't.  Down 35-29 mid-first.

We're in this game.  Manon needs to slow down.  He looks like he's trying to show Miami he's as good as they are.  Not good.

Miami 6 of 11 from three

I had not seen Miami yet.  They seem solid.  They make threes and they make FTs.  Meanwhile, Guy Ragland needs to never take a 3.  Ever.

Can't stop Wong.  Has 22 first half.

Amazing that we have played great and may go into halftime down double digits.

This is insane.

Early we were going to the basket.  Not any more.

Miami now 8 of 14 from three.

We have played a ridiculously good half against a team that is meaningfully better.  We're down 11 because Miami is shooting the lights out, after going 25% from three in their last game against a worse team (Louisville).

Did Naz change his number?  Wearing 10 tonight?

Miami 13 of 14 from the line.
9 of 15 from three.

Down 14 at half after what might have been the best half we have played since 2010.  Incredible.

Cornell with more points in the paint.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioCornell-Miami is on NESN+ tonight at 7, for those who have that channel.

On ESPN+ too!

104-94 with 3:31 left. Our offense has been excellent, but Miami has some high level talent and we're giving up too many offensive boards. Entertaining game against a very good team.

They did *great* tonight.  Manon's failure to make his FTs was a killer, but otherwise he played really well when he was under control.  I'm really proud of this effort and this team.  Miami is one of the best teams in the ACC and could be in the top 25.  And we ran into a kid who had a ridiculous night.  


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Results be damned, what a wildly entertaining game

Miami on a one-and-one still ...

damn how do they get the ball into the guy who shoots 87%?

Quote from: scoop85104-94 with 3:31 left. Our offense has been excellent, but Miami has some high level talent and we're giving up too many offensive boards. Entertaining game against a very good team.

107-104. :06 to go (but Miami at line)

Quote from: Mr. NissMiami on a one-and-one still ...

damn how do they get the ball into the guy who shoots 87%?

Yeah, not great by us

I they overturn this call I may throw my 2010 replica Ivy League championship trophy through a window.

Ah, so close

I love Brian Earl to pieces.  But that last play, blech.  You can't have the play be the shortest guy on the floor heaving one when the other team is expecting the shot.

We have two losses this year -- both by two points to two ACC teams.  Man.  We should jump 100 points in KenPom for this game.

I have no complaint with Watson taking the last shot. Nice block by the Miami kid. Needed a screen there

At 21 down I was glad I didn't try to figure out how to order Bally Sports. By the end I really regretted that decision.  Disappointed, but you have to like the fight this team has.

Wish he realized he had time.  Could've pumped and gotten the guy in the air.  Hindsight is 20-20.  Reminds me of the 73-72 loss to Kansas in late '09 (although in that one we led until like the last minute; and, of course, Kansas was #1 and hadn't lost at home in like 72 games).

Quote from: Mr. NissWe have two losses this year -- both by two points to two ACC teams.  Man.  We should jump 100 points in KenPom for this game.

The computers are going to love the offensive work, but hate the defense.  Still, they had this as a 16 point loss, so there should be jump.  Is this finally the year for a win at the Dome?

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Quote from: Mr. NissWe have two losses this year -- both by two points to two ACC teams.  Man.  We should jump 100 points in KenPom for this game.

The computers are going to love the offensive work, but hate the defense.  Still, they had this as a 16 point loss, so there should be jump.  Is this finally the year for a win at the Dome?

We jumped from 185 to 166.  Kind of disappointing.  I thought we'd get a bigger bump.  Not that it matters.  We are now ahead of Harvard and Penn, behind Yale (91) and Princeton (111).

One of my kids is at Syracuse.  We don't miss a game.  Cornell has the best chance to beat Syracuse that we've had in the 41 years since we last beat them.  They also could get waxed, depending upon which Syracuse team shows up.  Hopefully, it will be the one that played Colgate and Bryant.

Slightly bigger jump on Bart Torvik's site, but both slot Cornell in the 160s and in the top half of all D1 teams.  Which essentially hasn't happened since the Sweet Sixteen.*  So, we have that going for us.

*In Courtney's second year -- last year with 'Ski and Ferry and first with Shonn -- the team started fairly high but played themselves out of the top 200.  Make of that what you will, if anything.

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Quote from: Mr. NissWe have two losses this year -- both by two points to two ACC teams.  Man.  We should jump 100 points in KenPom for this game.

The computers are going to love the offensive work, but hate the defense.  Still, they had this as a 16 point loss, so there should be jump.  Is this finally the year for a win at the Dome?

We jumped from 185 to 166.  Kind of disappointing.  I thought we'd get a bigger bump.  Not that it matters.  We are now ahead of Harvard and Penn, behind Yale (91) and Princeton (111).

One of my kids is at Syracuse.  We don't miss a game.  Cornell has the best chance to beat Syracuse that we've had in the 41 years since we last beat them.  They also could get waxed, depending upon which Syracuse team shows up.  Hopefully, it will be the one that played Colgate and Bryant.

i still can't believe we never beat them during the 3 year Ivy title run.

The first time I clicked on this article (https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2022/12/syracuses-next-opponent-plays-with-blazing-pace-how-brian-earl-is-building-a-contender-at-cornell.html), I was able to read it all the way through, but now it has a paywall. That's too bad because it gives the background on how Earl decided to transition to Cornell's current style of play. To summarize, the decision was made during the winter when Ivy basketball was cancelled and Cornell was limited to only practices. As the team was racing up and down the court during practices, Earl realized the current makeup of the team fit in well with that style of play, especially since most of the players were interchangeable in the different positions they could play. He notes that their current 9-2 record is misleading because their schedule hasn't been that tough, and that the players need to learn how to close out tight games (both Cornell losses were by 2 points on the road). It's been over 50 years since Cornell has defeated Syracuse. It would be nice if we could end that streak this weekend.

Best start (11-4) against a big conference team since 10-2 vs Kentucky in the 2010 Sweet 16 ::dribble::

Meanwhile, Joe Girard hasn't made a shot all year (an exaggeration to make a point) but today he has been lights out so far.

Someone please tell Guy to STOP SHOOTING

Very disappointing finish to the half -- not just the result, but just dumb play.

Lost an 11 point lead by halftime

Guy Ragland seriously needs to not shoot, period.

This is very disappointing.

It's almost an annual tradition that Syracuse let's us think we can beat them before sealing it up. Let's not be delusional.

Cornell is not going to beat anyone not even Little Sisters of the Poor going 1 for 22 on field goals like it did in the second half-simple math.  Colgate beat SU hitting a record number of 3s in the Dome and they were almost beat by Bryant.  Cornell had open looks from 3 that were not going in-thus the game.  Thought it was Cornell's best chance of beating them and just did not work out.  The announcers for the ACC Network were horrible IMO.  Liked what I saw of DJ Nix late in the game and hoping he gets some more playing time. Lehigh and Colgate coming up-Colgate will be tough-Head Coach Matt Langel has done an excellent job.  What I like about Langel is that he shows no interest in moving up the proverbial coaching ladder (Million-dollar contracts but a lot less security).

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Quote from: Mr. NissWe have two losses this year -- both by two points to two ACC teams.  Man.  We should jump 100 points in KenPom for this game.

The computers are going to love the offensive work, but hate the defense.  Still, they had this as a 16 point loss, so there should be jump.  Is this finally the year for a win at the Dome?

Guess not.  Getting shots on the Syracuse zone is tough, but this team cannot take 48 3's and expect to beat anyone good.  Especially if Watson and Boothby (who is going through some serious regression from last year) shoot a combined 2-17 from behind the arc.

Quote from: rss77Cornell is not going to beat anyone not even Little Sisters of the Poor going 1 for 22 on field goals like it did in the second half-simple math.  Colgate beat SU hitting a record number of 3s in the Dome and they were almost beat by Bryant.  Cornell had open looks from 3 that were not going in-thus the game.  Thought it was Cornell's best chance of beating them and just did not work out.  The announcers for the ACC Network were horrible IMO.  Liked what I saw of DJ Nix late in the game and hoping he gets some more playing time. Lehigh and Colgate coming up-Colgate will be tough-Head Coach Matt Langel has done an excellent job.  What I like about Langel is that he shows no interest in moving up the proverbial coaching ladder (Million-dollar contracts but a lot less security).

Pretty much agree with all of that.  Langel took over at Colgate in 2011.  I like Earl, but wonder what would have happened if Cornell had hired Langel instead of Courtney.  Can't imagine that one last season with Dunphy at Temple taught him that much more.

Agreed and a bit of irony in that Earl's offense is the type of offense Courtney tried to bring to Cornell.  Courtney was a really nice guy but could not coach his way out of a paper bag.

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Quote from: Mr. NissWe have two losses this year -- both by two points to two ACC teams.  Man.  We should jump 100 points in KenPom for this game.

The computers are going to love the offensive work, but hate the defense.  Still, they had this as a 16 point loss, so there should be jump.  Is this finally the year for a win at the Dome?

Guess not.  Getting shots on the Syracuse zone is tough, but this team cannot take 48 3's and expect to beat anyone good.  Especially if Watson and Boothby (who is going through some serious regression from last year) shoot a combined 2-17 from behind the arc.

Yeah, 1st stinker game from Watson. And Boothby's shooting is becoming a concern. As also has been mentioned Ragland needs to stop shooting 3's period.

Playing Lehigh in an early evening game. Currently the second half and Cornell is up 30 at 63-33.* Ragland really shouldn't shoot!

If you tune in now, ignore the screen that says 47-26. It stopped updating before I started watching.

Final Cornell 98 Lehigh 64.

Leading Scorers:

Dolan 16 points
Ragland 13 points
Watson 12 points
Williams 11 points

After the awful second half at Syracuse, it was good to see the team take of business against an overmatched opponent.

Quote from: mountainredAfter the awful second half at Syracuse, it was good to see the team take of business against an overmatched opponent.

Lehigh was pretty bad, but somehow they were leading Wisconsin of the half a week or so ago.

Women with a 7-point second quarter vs Penn State.

Is that good?

Quote from: TrotskyWomen with a 7-point second quarter vs Penn State.

Is that good?

It's not ideal.

Seven-point second quarter certainly set the tenor for the game and the 31-point MOV.

"Penn State Lady Lions" sounds 1960s. Like back when the guards couldn't go past the mid-court line. Not sure "Lionesses" would be better.

The one diminutive that worked well was when Cornell freshmen played Syracuse pre-1980 and they were called (more by us than them) the Tangerines.

If anyone wants to watch the Colgate game today, it tips at 2pm.  If 'gate is hitting their threes, they are pretty tough to beat (ask Syracuse), but it is a very winnable game if they aren't (losses to Penn and Delaware).

Hmmm.....line is gate -4.5. It's tempting.

Nice job by the Colgate broadcast to go to commercial while Hansen is laying on the court not moving and not saying a word about how he's doing when they come back.

Cornell beats Colgate 91-80.

Those are good couple of bounce-back performances.  First, they beat Lehigh way better than expected, like a top tier team would.  And then they beat Colgate on the road by double digits.  The Colgate broadcasters (laughably) referred to Colgate as "the best team in the region" (they're not better than Syracuse, sorry guys).  I don't know what happened in the Dome other than that even the best teams that rely on so much outside shooting are going to have an off game or two, and we happened to stink the bed up in the one game that would have been amazing to win.  This team is good and extremely well coached.  They may be Ivy League champs good.

Really great first half, helped by Colgate struggling from the 3pt line, followed a slightly sloppy second half, helped by Colgate bouncing back on threes.  The final three minutes were a slog, but there is lots of room for error with a seventeen point lead.

Dolan was terrific and got some deserved love from the Colgate announcers. And Nix got a few 1st half minutes, which was nice to see.

While I'd love to have another shot at BC, there are no complaints about being 9-3.

Quote from: Mr. NissThose are good couple of bounce-back performances.  First, they beat Lehigh way better than expected, like a top tier team would.  And then they beat Colgate on the road by double digits. This team is good and extremely well coached.  They may be Ivy League champs good.

Cornell may be time-to-steal-your-coach-away-to-a-mid-major good?

Quote from: Mr. NissThe Colgate broadcasters (laughably) referred to Colgate as "the best team in the region" (they're not better than Syracuse, sorry guys).

I've always felt Colgate has had a bit of a regional inferiority complex by the way they insist to be called 'Gate the way Syracuse is called 'Cuse.

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Quote from: Mr. NissThe Colgate broadcasters (laughably) referred to Colgate as "the best team in the region" (they're not better than Syracuse, sorry guys).

I've always felt Colgate has had a bit of a regional inferiority complex by the way they insist to be called 'Gate the way Syracuse is called 'Cuse.

Almost cross-town inferiority. Hamilton College is 25 minutes away and Colgate's equal or better academically. (I know, sports matters more.) We'd do it, too, if 'Nell didn't start with a soft consonant. If we still had freshman teams, they'd be Little Nell. All these are minor infractions compared to the stylings of The Ohio State University.

Thought I would give folks a quick thumbnail on the league now that virtually every out of conference game has been played.

1) Yale (10-3) -- The computers have Yale as the clear league favorite as they are the only league team that is top 100 nationally in both offense and defense.  Yale has a couple of nice wins, though nothing jaw-dropping, and all of the losses were on the road against legit opponents (at Colorado, Butler, Kentucky).  Thrown in the the guy who is IMHO the best coach in the league (James Jones) and Yale is a virtual lock to the make the ILT.

2) Princeton (9-4) -- The computers love Princeton because they have several blowouts, but the resume looks thin to me.  The best wins were at Drexel and at UMBC - meh - and the Tigers' losses don't look nearly as good as Yale's.  Otherwise, this is a standard issue Princeton team which is efficient on offense and holds you to one shot on defense and has a couple of very sold bigs.  Princeton does get to host the ILT this year, so they will be hard to beat if they make it.  And they probably will make it.

3) Cornell (9-3) -- For context.

T4) Harvard (8-5) -- If you had a draft of every player in the Ivy League, Harvard's Senior forward Chris Ledlum probably gets taken first.  Harvard also has two of the league's best wins (v. Loyola (Chi) and at Cal Irvine), but they also have a head-scratching loss to Howard.  I'm not a huge fan of Amaker as a game coach, but his teams play good D and this year's squad follows that trend. If they start hitting their threes, they could be very dangerous, but right now they are 361st (out of 363) in 3pt shooting which is killing their offense.  (So when you get frustrated at our guys, know it could be worse).
 
T4) Penn (6-7) -- The Quakers are the flip side of Harvard in that they have a very good offense (only Cornell's is more efficient) but their D sucks.  Jr. guard Jordan Dingle is Penn's best weapon and maybe the best scorer in in the league.  Penn has four losses to top 100 teams, a couple of nice wins against Colgate and Temple and a "how did they blow that" home loss to LaSalle.  

6) Brown (7-5) -- The Bears lost a number of very good players to graduation, but Mike Martin (another very good coach) does get stud PG Lily back.  Brown started the season 1-4, but they've won 6 of their last 7, with the only loss being at Michigan St.  Brown has been even better than Princeton at holding teams to one shot, but they struggle to score which is highlighted by currently being the worst FT shooting team in the nation.  Sweeping Brown will go a long way to making the ILT, but the Bears will turn both games in rock fights.

7) Dartmouth (4-10) -- The Big Green lost four outstanding players to graduation and have not replaced them.  Dartmouth has only 2 D1 wins, but believe it or not their women's team is even worse.  Cornell opens league play at Hanover and has to avoid the North Country jinx.

8) Columbia (5-9) -- The Lions were a 4-22 disaster last season and have basically rebooted the entire team.  This year's top six features a junior, a sophomore, and four freshman.  The season started rough, but their last game was a 12 point win at Lafayette.  The Leopards aren't good, but they gave our guys a good scare and took Penn to OT.  I would not be surprised if by the end of the season, Columbia will be playing spoiler (and with the new schedule, Cornell's regular season ends with hosting the Lions).

With the ILT, what matters is finishing in the top 4 since no one is getting an at-large bid.  Pencil in Yale, so you likely have four teams (Princeton, Cornell, Penn, Harvard) fighting for the other three slots, with Brown having an outside shot.  Dartmouth and Columbia are purely playing spoiler.

Quote from: mountainredThought I would give folks a quick thumbnail on the league now that virtually every out of conference game has been played.

1) Yale (10-3) -- The computers have Yale as the clear league favorite as they are the only league team that is top 100 nationally in both offense and defense.  Yale has a couple of nice wins, though nothing jaw-dropping, and all of the losses were on the road against legit opponents (at Colorado, Butler, Kentucky).  Thrown in the the guy who is IMHO the best coach in the league (James Jones) and Yale is a virtual lock to the make the ILT.

2) Princeton (9-4) -- The computers love Princeton because they have several blowouts, but the resume looks thin to me.  The best wins were at Drexel and at UMBC - meh - and the Tigers' losses don't look nearly as good as Yale's.  Otherwise, this is a standard issue Princeton team which is efficient on offense and holds you to one shot on defense and has a couple of very sold bigs.  Princeton does get to host the ILT this year, so they will be hard to beat if they make it.  And they probably will make it.

3) Cornell (9-3) -- For context.

T4) Harvard (8-5) -- If you had a draft of every player in the Ivy League, Harvard's Senior forward Chris Ledlum probably gets taken first.  Harvard also has two of the league's best wins (v. Loyola (Chi) and at Cal Irvine), but they also have a head-scratching loss to Howard.  I'm not a huge fan of Amaker as a game coach, but his teams play good D and this year's squad follows that trend. If they start hitting their threes, they could be very dangerous, but right now they are 361st (out of 363) in 3pt shooting which is killing their offense.  (So when you get frustrated at our guys, know it could be worse).
 
T4) Penn (6-7) -- The Quakers are the flip side of Harvard in that they have a very good offense (only Cornell's is more efficient) but their D sucks.  Jr. guard Jordan Dingle is Penn's best weapon and maybe the best scorer in in the league.  Penn has four losses to top 100 teams, a couple of nice wins against Colgate and Temple and a "how did they blow that" home loss to LaSalle.  

6) Brown (7-5) -- The Bears lost a number of very good players to graduation, but Mike Martin (another very good coach) does get stud PG Lily back.  Brown started the season 1-4, but they've won 6 of their last 7, with the only loss being at Michigan St.  Brown has been even better than Princeton at holding teams to one shot, but they struggle to score which is highlighted by currently being the worst FT shooting team in the nation.  Sweeping Brown will go a long way to making the ILT, but the Bears will turn both games in rock fights.

7) Dartmouth (4-10) -- The Big Green lost four outstanding players to graduation and have not replaced them.  Dartmouth has only 2 D1 wins, but believe it or not their women's team is even worse.  Cornell opens league play at Hanover and has to avoid the North Country jinx.

8) Columbia (5-9) -- The Lions were a 4-22 disaster last season and have basically rebooted the entire team.  This year's top six features a junior, a sophomore, and four freshman.  The season started rough, but their last game was a 12 point win at Lafayette.  The Leopards aren't good, but they gave our guys a good scare and took Penn to OT.  I would not be surprised if by the end of the season, Columbia will be playing spoiler (and with the new schedule, Cornell's regular season ends with hosting the Lions).

With the ILT, what matters is finishing in the top 4 since no one is getting an at-large bid.  Pencil in Yale, so you likely have four teams (Princeton, Cornell, Penn, Harvard) fighting for the other three slots, with Brown having an outside shot.  Dartmouth and Columbia are purely playing spoiler.

Nice analysis. I agree Princeton seems overrated to me, as I think Penn is a more dangerous team, and certainly one we haven't matched-up with as well the past several years. Harvard's an enigma, and Brown is a sleeper, primarily because Lilly is so talented. No reason we won't be in the running for the ILT, although given the parity across the league I think only Yale is a lock to make it.

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Quote from: mountainredThought I would give folks a quick thumbnail on the league now that virtually every out of conference game has been played.

1) Yale (10-3) -- The computers have Yale as the clear league favorite as they are the only league team that is top 100 nationally in both offense and defense.  Yale has a couple of nice wins, though nothing jaw-dropping, and all of the losses were on the road against legit opponents (at Colorado, Butler, Kentucky).  Thrown in the the guy who is IMHO the best coach in the league (James Jones) and Yale is a virtual lock to the make the ILT.

2) Princeton (9-4) -- The computers love Princeton because they have several blowouts, but the resume looks thin to me.  The best wins were at Drexel and at UMBC - meh - and the Tigers' losses don't look nearly as good as Yale's.  Otherwise, this is a standard issue Princeton team which is efficient on offense and holds you to one shot on defense and has a couple of very sold bigs.  Princeton does get to host the ILT this year, so they will be hard to beat if they make it.  And they probably will make it.

3) Cornell (9-3) -- For context.

T4) Harvard (8-5) -- If you had a draft of every player in the Ivy League, Harvard's Senior forward Chris Ledlum probably gets taken first.  Harvard also has two of the league's best wins (v. Loyola (Chi) and at Cal Irvine), but they also have a head-scratching loss to Howard.  I'm not a huge fan of Amaker as a game coach, but his teams play good D and this year's squad follows that trend. If they start hitting their threes, they could be very dangerous, but right now they are 361st (out of 363) in 3pt shooting which is killing their offense.  (So when you get frustrated at our guys, know it could be worse).
 
T4) Penn (6-7) -- The Quakers are the flip side of Harvard in that they have a very good offense (only Cornell's is more efficient) but their D sucks.  Jr. guard Jordan Dingle is Penn's best weapon and maybe the best scorer in in the league.  Penn has four losses to top 100 teams, a couple of nice wins against Colgate and Temple and a "how did they blow that" home loss to LaSalle.  

6) Brown (7-5) -- The Bears lost a number of very good players to graduation, but Mike Martin (another very good coach) does get stud PG Lily back.  Brown started the season 1-4, but they've won 6 of their last 7, with the only loss being at Michigan St.  Brown has been even better than Princeton at holding teams to one shot, but they struggle to score which is highlighted by currently being the worst FT shooting team in the nation.  Sweeping Brown will go a long way to making the ILT, but the Bears will turn both games in rock fights.

7) Dartmouth (4-10) -- The Big Green lost four outstanding players to graduation and have not replaced them.  Dartmouth has only 2 D1 wins, but believe it or not their women's team is even worse.  Cornell opens league play at Hanover and has to avoid the North Country jinx.

8) Columbia (5-9) -- The Lions were a 4-22 disaster last season and have basically rebooted the entire team.  This year's top six features a junior, a sophomore, and four freshman.  The season started rough, but their last game was a 12 point win at Lafayette.  The Leopards aren't good, but they gave our guys a good scare and took Penn to OT.  I would not be surprised if by the end of the season, Columbia will be playing spoiler (and with the new schedule, Cornell's regular season ends with hosting the Lions).

With the ILT, what matters is finishing in the top 4 since no one is getting an at-large bid.  Pencil in Yale, so you likely have four teams (Princeton, Cornell, Penn, Harvard) fighting for the other three slots, with Brown having an outside shot.  Dartmouth and Columbia are purely playing spoiler.

Nice analysis. I agree Princeton seems overrated to me, as I think Penn is a more dangerous team, and certainly one we haven't matched-up with as well the past several years. Harvard's an enigma, and Brown is a sleeper, primarily because Lilly is so talented. No reason we won't be in the running for the ILT, although given the parity across the league I think only Yale is a lock to make it.

thx guys. so mad that we don't have 2 ACC wins in the resume!

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Quote from: Mr. NissThe Colgate broadcasters (laughably) referred to Colgate as "the best team in the region" (they're not better than Syracuse, sorry guys).

I've always felt Colgate has had a bit of a regional inferiority complex by the way they insist to be called 'Gate the way Syracuse is called 'Cuse.

But is there a Swinging Cuses (http://img.new.livestream.com/events/000000000078031a/84416b49-a15c-4c57-a8e0-fe4f1b87dd1b.jpg)?

Presumable there is an alumnae Excuses.

Scoop, completely agree we should be in the running for a spot in the IOLT and frankly I'd be disappointed if this team didn't make it.  

Bill, based on his resume there is a chance that Earl is an Ivy League lifer, though he would almost certainly bolt for the Princeton job when it opens up.

Quote from: mountainred... based on his resume there is a chance that Earl is an Ivy League lifer, though he would almost certainly bolt for the Princeton job when it opens up.

Exactly and exactly squared.

Part of the equation for jumping to the next level is setting up yourself and your family for lifetime security. When Steve Donahue left Cornell basketball and the 2010 Sweet 16 appearance for BC, he went from Cornell's sub-$200,000 (closer to say $150,000) to about $900,000, and even when he was dismissed after year three of his six-year contract, he got at least one annual BC payout of $600,000 plus.

Within the Ivy League, you have alumni athletes on Wall Street who can help steer a coach's investments. Maybe Coach can salt away enough that after 10 years of Ivy or better coaching, you could invest wisely, then draw down a quarter-million a year and not touch the principal. That's not obscenely rich but it's second-home-in-Naples (Fla.) and your kids' education paid for rich.

Remember that we got ten years from Steve Donahue. This is Earl's sixth year, last year was his first winning year, plus a near-.500 year in year three. He's mid-40s now.

He could also jump to a lesser (academics) school for much more money. Shaheen Holloway was making $300,000 at St. Peter's, took a Covid-era pay cut, made the Sweet Sixteen in the spring, and jumped to Seton Hall and $2.4 million.

Aside (thread drift alert): The Donahue salary info was reported by The Heights, BC's Cornell Daily Sun. Read this about hockey coach Jerry York circa 2015-2016. https://www.bcheights.com/2016/04/24/bc-irs-990-jim-christian-jerry-york-steve-addazio-salary/#:~:text=Donahue%2C%20however%2C%20still%20appears%20on,first%20year%20on%20the%20books.

Quote from: The HeightsThe biggest jump in compensation went to men's hockey head coach Jerry York, who signed a contract extension in December 2013 that kicked in after 2013-14 and will last until the 2019-20 season. York earned a base salary of $491,259, yet received $677,311 in "other reportable compensation." That, combined with other figures, led to a final total of $1,249,617. That total represents a 100 percent increase from his 2013-14 compensation of $626,953.

This message made me think "Ivy coaches have been pretty steady lately."  The last coaches hired were Earl, Engles at Columbia and McLaughlin at Dartmouth before the '16-17 season.  Penn hired Steve the season before and everyone else has over a decade of tenure (James Jones has been at Yale for over twenty years). That is crazy. Since 2010, there have been only five coaches fired (or non-renewed) in the league.  Two of those were at Penn, a school that values hoops at a different level than any other Ivy. None of the five was a huge surprise.

Earl seems to have found his groove and his own version of the Princeton offense.  I wouldn't blame him if he wants to test his ability -- and get a bigger paycheck -- somewhere else. He played with and coached under Sydney Johnson, who left Princeton for eight mediocre years at Fairfield and is now back to being an assistant.  Maybe Earl decides the safe option at Cornell is better for his family.

Quote from: mountainredThis message made me think "Ivy coaches have been pretty steady lately."  The last coaches hired were Earl, Engles at Columbia and McLaughlin at Dartmouth before the '16-17 season.  Penn hired Steve the season before and everyone else has over a decade of tenure (James Jones has been at Yale for over twenty years). That is crazy. Since 2010, there have been only five coaches fired (or non-renewed) in the league.  Two of those were at Penn, a school that values hoops at a different level than any other Ivy. None of the five was a huge surprise.

Earl seems to have found his groove and his own version of the Princeton offense.  I wouldn't blame him if he wants to test his ability -- and get a bigger paycheck -- somewhere else. He played with and coached under Sydney Johnson, who left Princeton for eight mediocre years at Fairfield and is now back to being an assistant.  Maybe Earl decides the safe option at Cornell is better for his family.

Does anyone know the kind of work his spouse does and the ages of their kids, if any? Moving K-12 kids is more difficult than preschoolers or college-age. A partner-in-a-law-firm-or-medical-practice spouse may be harder to move than, say, one who coaches women's volleyball.

Quote from: SwampyDoes anyone know the kind of work his spouse does and the ages of their kids, if any? Moving K-12 kids is more difficult than preschoolers or college-age. A partner-in-a-law-firm-or-medical-practice spouse may be harder to move than, say, one who coaches women's volleyball.

Earl and his wife Jennifer have three sons, Dylan (8), Owen (6) and Cooper (5) and reside in Ithaca.
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Quote from: George64Earl and his wife Jennifer have three sons, Dylan (8), Owen (6) and Cooper (5) and reside in Ithaca.

And Ithaca schools are a pretty fair matchup for Princeton's, if not quite Lawrenceville Prep and Princeton Day.

Perfunctory win over Binghamton, 86-70.

I have to admit, I have no idea how to feel about this team. I can still remember the feeling of momentum going into the 2007-2008 year, and we all know how that eventually turned out. Last year was such an abrupt about face from Earl's previous results, and this year seems to be similarly promising, but is the style too gimmicky? Is this the start of something that can be built on with more and better recruiting, or just the natural result of playing a somewhat unique style that will never afford the ceiling of that golden generation of Cornell basketball? I could believe either outcome.

A bit sloppy late, but the Big Red close the out of conference slate with an 86-70 win over Bingo.  Williams with a career high of 23 and Manon was very solid with 16 points and 7 steals.  Freshman Josh Baldwin earned quality minutes as the 10th man.  This was a 20 point game with 12 minutes to go, so Cornell was in control almost the entire way.

On the down side, Boothby's shooting slump continues and he's starting to force things.  And Ragland took a hard fall late and never returned -- though it could have been precautionary because of the double digit lead.

On defense the guys forced 20 turnovers, but Binghamton shot 27 of 41 from inside the arc because if there wasn't a steal they got a very good look at the hoop.  That's an astounding number.

Ivy play starts Sunday at Dartmouth.

Quote from: semsoxPerfunctory win over Binghamton, 86-70.

I have to admit, I have no idea how to feel about this team. I can still remember the feeling of momentum going into the 2007-2008 year, and we all know how that eventually turned out. Last year was such an abrupt about face from Earl's previous results, and this year seems to be similarly promising, but is the style too gimmicky? Is this the start of something that can be built on with more and better recruiting, or just the natural result of playing a somewhat unique style that will never afford the ceiling of that golden generation of Cornell basketball? I could believe either outcome.

IMHO this style is creative, but not really gimmicky -- it's just an uptempo version of the Princeton offense with a ball-hawking D.  If Earl stays, it should differentiate us and be appealing for recruits.  The ceiling is probably "be an ILT regular, win the league occasionally and maybe steal an NCAA win, while being fun to watch."  Which is probably the best you can do in this league.  Remember, that 2010 team is the only Ivy squad to make the sweet 16 in over four decades; that's just not a realistic expectation, as great as it would be.

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Quote from: semsoxPerfunctory win over Binghamton, 86-70.

I have to admit, I have no idea how to feel about this team. I can still remember the feeling of momentum going into the 2007-2008 year, and we all know how that eventually turned out. Last year was such an abrupt about face from Earl's previous results, and this year seems to be similarly promising, but is the style too gimmicky? Is this the start of something that can be built on with more and better recruiting, or just the natural result of playing a somewhat unique style that will never afford the ceiling of that golden generation of Cornell basketball? I could believe either outcome.

IMHO this style is creative, but not really gimmicky -- it's just an uptempo version of the Princeton offense with a ball-hawking D.  If Earl stays, it should differentiate us and be appealing for recruits.  The ceiling is probably "be an ILT regular, win the league occasionally and maybe steal an NCAA win, while being fun to watch."  Which is probably the best you can do in this league.  Remember, that 2010 team is the only Ivy squad to make the sweet 16 in over four decades; that's just not a realistic expectation, as great as it would be.

That's all fair, and believe me, I understand the 2010 team is not a realistic benchmark. I guess my main wonder though is the bolded. To me, those three outcomes (ILT participants, ILT champs, NCAA W) are radically different for assessing the team, particularly with respect to ceiling. I guess what I'm ultimately getting at is, is the the ultimately ceiling of Earl's team a realistic expectation of an NCAA W (not even expecting two W's like in 2010), or is it the 2008 or 2009 squads, excellent Ivy League teams that were clearly a notch below their eventual NCAA matchup, or is it even lower than that, good Ivy League teams that due to their style could surprise and win 2 games in a weekend and become tournament fodder for whatever 15-2 or 14-3 seed matchup they get.

(All of the above is meant in the context of true talent, not accounting for any wild variance Virginia-UMBC outcomes)

Quote from: semsoxI guess what I'm ultimately getting at is, is the the ultimately ceiling of Earl's team a realistic expectation of an NCAA W (not even expecting two W's like in 2010), or is it the 2008 or 2009 squads, excellent Ivy League teams that were clearly a notch below their eventual NCAA matchup, or is it even lower than that, good Ivy League teams that due to their style could surprise and win 2 games in a weekend and become tournament fodder for whatever 15-2 or 14-3 seed matchup they get.

Most years would be your third option - a good team that could get hot at the ILT, but I could see a likely ceiling of a league title and a trip to the NCAAs as a 13 or 14 seed(as opposed to a sacrificial 16).  In terms of the entire NCAA, this system should reasonably result in a team that bounces around in the second quartile (teams 90-180) and peaks every so often in the 70s (give or take).

For context, the current team is in the 2Q, as was the '08 and '09 team.  2010 was top 50.

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Quote from: semsoxPerfunctory win over Binghamton, 86-70.

I have to admit, I have no idea how to feel about this team. I can still remember the feeling of momentum going into the 2007-2008 year, and we all know how that eventually turned out. Last year was such an abrupt about face from Earl's previous results, and this year seems to be similarly promising, but is the style too gimmicky? Is this the start of something that can be built on with more and better recruiting, or just the natural result of playing a somewhat unique style that will never afford the ceiling of that golden generation of Cornell basketball? I could believe either outcome.

IMHO this style is creative, but not really gimmicky -- it's just an uptempo version of the Princeton offense with a ball-hawking D.  If Earl stays, it should differentiate us and be appealing for recruits.  The ceiling is probably "be an ILT regular, win the league occasionally and maybe steal an NCAA win, while being fun to watch."  Which is probably the best you can do in this league.  Remember, that 2010 team is the only Ivy squad to make the sweet 16 in over four decades; that's just not a realistic expectation, as great as it would be.

That's all fair, and believe me, I understand the 2010 team is not a realistic benchmark. I guess my main wonder though is the bolded. To me, those three outcomes (ILT participants, ILT champs, NCAA W) are radically different for assessing the team, particularly with respect to ceiling. I guess what I'm ultimately getting at is, is the the ultimately ceiling of Earl's team a realistic expectation of an NCAA W (not even expecting two W's like in 2010), or is it the 2008 or 2009 squads, excellent Ivy League teams that were clearly a notch below their eventual NCAA matchup, or is it even lower than that, good Ivy League teams that due to their style could surprise and win 2 games in a weekend and become tournament fodder for whatever 15-2 or 14-3 seed matchup they get.

(All of the above is meant in the context of true talent, not accounting for any wild variance Virginia-UMBC outcomes)

I'd think this style makes an NCAA game win more probable than many other systems.  "All" it takes is one of those nights where shooters are hotter than usual across the board.  Feels like shooting the lights out with this style is much more likely to generate a W than a more plodding style would at the same shooting percentage.

To semsox's questions, Earl's interview in the Syracuse paper (posted earlier in this thread) addresses a lot of them.   It's been a few weeks since I read it, but my recollection is that he talks about switching to this system because he realized he already had players on the team with  the skill/ability to run it.  He further noted that it's a recruiting advantage because players enjoy this style and it gives everyone a lot more touches than more traditional offenses (and probably ups ppg for most players?)

And iirc, said something like "it's the system lots of teams would love to sell recruits, but there aren't that many that actually commit to and successfully run."

The Ivy League regular season is already off to an exciting start with Columbia upsetting preseason favorite Yale in the opening game.

Quote from: dbilmesThe Ivy League regular season is already off to an exciting start with Columbia upsetting preseason favorite Yale in the opening game.

Yeah, that's a stunner.

considering who Col. had played thats a surprising score,

And the Big Red join Princeton and Columbia in first place.  Ho-hum 74-63 win at Dartmouth, but games in Hanover are never automatic.  Cornell had a 21-11 advantage on points off turnovers, which was the difference in the game.

Penn/Princ/Yale in a row at home. Big stretch.

Comfortable W over Penn, and in another shocker, Yale loses again, at home, to Dartmouth?

so far cornell/princ look to be the 2 best.. we see for now tomorrow night

Great win over a team that's had our number. And where did Kiachian come from? He's barely played before tonight and gets some big minutes in a key league game

655!? That's awful.

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Is it typically higher during the break?

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Is it typically higher during the break?

if it's still the break, nvm.

going to get to see them in person on mlk day in nyc and i'm looking forward to it now.

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Is it typically higher during the break?

if it's still the break, nvm.

going to get to see them in person on mlk day in nyc and i'm looking forward to it now.

Classes resume January 23.  https://events.cornell.edu/event/instruction_begins  There is a Winter Session in progress, but it's quite limited.  https://sce.cornell.edu/courses/roster?ses=Winter

well cornell is fav by 3 tonight.. so some people give us a chance.

A series of tough calls late in the 2nd went against them and they fail to hold on

the first was up 5 nolan with the steal gets under cut gathering the ball and it turns into a cornell foul 1n1 and the lead shrinks

the 2nd was up 1 get the turnover and the foul shooting a 1n1.  but the ref comes in from mid court with a T on something that happens 10x a game and now its 2 FSs for Princ then we miss the 1n1 and instead of up 3 its down 1

the 3rd being whatever the late shot was that came up 5 ft short that everyone thought was tipped but the replay wasnt clear enough to tell..
all in all played well for most of the game but couldnt handle the lead down the stretch,and missed  simple layout with under 2 to go that would have kept the game in doubt

posted this elsewhere but heads up if you had 2pm on your calendar for the Columbia game on Monday; it's been moved to noon.

Computers list Cornell as a one (KenPom) to three (T-Page) favorite tonight.  Yale's offense has been sputtering a bit; their only Ivy win so far was a 58-54 rockfight with Harvard.

Quote from: mountainredComputers list Cornell as a one (KenPom) to three (T-Page) favorite tonight.  Yale's offense has been sputtering a bit; their only Ivy win so far was a 58-54 rockfight with Harvard.

FYI, just noticed that today's game is a 5 p.m. start (on ESPNU), for anyone who was planning to watch.

Quote from: mountainredComputers list Cornell as a one (KenPom) to three (T-Page) favorite tonight.  Yale's offense has been sputtering a bit; their only Ivy win so far was a 58-54 rockfight with Harvard.

Pretty huge game, especially considering it is at home. If we come out of this 4 game opening stretch 3-1 we'll be in pretty solid position.

why is the game at 5pm ? are they trying to make it harder for locals to show up?

I see cornell is a slight dog tonight. strange since we were favored vs Penn and Yale playing down more than expected.  Dang those pesky NYS gambling laws

Quote from: upprdeckwhy is the game at 5pm ? are they trying to make it harder for locals to show up?

Because ESPN insisted.  Gotta have Eastern Michigan at Akron on in prime time.

Quote from: upprdeckwhy is the game at 5pm ? are they trying to make it harder for locals to show up?

Airing on ESPNU, not just +.

Don't know if it's Yale's D but the Cornell shooting (inside, outside) has been dreadful while Yale has been hitting (or hitting the offensive glass, then hitting). Cornell down 9 late in the first half.

Yale had probably 5 bad possessions where shots just went in and early cornell had 3-4 go in and out.. Cornell hung around even with Yale shooting close to 60% the first half. At least down 6 its still a winnable game . Yale seemed out of control but almost always ended up in the basket

Quote from: upprdeckYale had probably 5 bad possessions where shots just went in and early cornell had 3-4 go in and out.. Cornell hung around even with Yale shooting close to 60% the first half. At least down 6 its still a winnable game . Yale seemed out of control but almost always ended up in the basket

agreed. i was starting to lose it watching some of those shots go down.

that foul with 4 minutes to go is as bad as it gets for a ref

Came out cold and went down 15 then went nuts. Currently up by 4 but a TERRIBLE foul call on a clean block on a 3 has Yale about to shoot 3 with ~4 minutes to go.

Quote from: upprdeckthat foul with 4 minutes to go is as bad as it gets for a ref

at least he missed one. but yeesh. totally clean and even got kicked.

Mbeng maybe gets called on a makeup whistle on the other end then called for a charge and now he's gone. Cornell up 7 with 2:30 to go.

played a great last 10 min..  makes up for the penn finish, now take of business vs Col monday

Quote from: upprdeckplayed a great last 10 min..  makes up for the penn finish, now take of business vs Col monday

I'll make sure they do if I have to grab a clipboard.

94-82 final. Once Cornell started rolling the wheels completely came off for Yale.

A 41-12 run over the last 12 minutes.  10 for 11 from the field, 17-18 from the stripe in that run.  Close to perfect basketball for that run.

and yale still shot almost 60% but going 31-34 fts helps

Quote from: upprdeckand yale still shot almost 60% but going 31-34 fts helps

Earlier this season the FT shooting was a real concern. Today the team was about as good from the stripe as you can get.

And how about Nazir Williams with 27 points after going scoreless against Princeton? He's got a lot of ability and will be All-Ivy if he can play with consistency.

Quote from: upprdeckand yale still shot almost 60% but going 31-34 fts helps

If you don't turn the ball over against Cornell, you will get a good shot. But that is easier said than done, which is why Cornell had a 17-7 advantage on points off turnovers.

With today's results in, Cornell and Princeton are 3-1, Brown, Harvard, Dartmouth and Penn are 2-2, Yale and Columbia are 1-3.

Quote from: mountainredWith today's results in, Cornell and Princeton are 3-1, Brown, Harvard, Dartmouth and Penn are 2-2, Yale and Columbia are 1-3.

In other words, par for the course for the Ivies over the past decade.

KenPom breaks its ratings down for just league games.  Small sample size alerts in place.

The offense is the league's best thanks to being the best three point shooting team in the league (despite Ragland's efforts) and the best free throw shooting team (over 80%!).  Plus the second lowest turnover rate.

The defense is the league's third best.  This is a function of forcing turnovers on roughly a quarter of the opponent's possessions.  If the Big Red don't turn you over, you will get a good shot, as league opponents are hitting a staggering two thirds of their shots inside the arc.  But so far the trade off is working.

I know I'm pretty late to be asking this question (haven't had a reason to pay much attention to the team in the last few years) but when/why did Ivy League teams stop playing league games every Friday and Saturday?  The only "traditional" weekends I see on Cornell's schedule this season are vs Penn/Princeton, at Princeton/Penn and vs Dartmouth/Harvard.  Pandemic holdover?

Decision was announced in January 2020 and was to begin with 2020-21 season.

https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/1/27/mens-basketball-ivy-league-announces-scheduling-changes-for-2020-21-and-2021-22-basketball-seasons.aspx

surprised to see CU such a big Fav today on the road.

Great first 15 min.. bad last 5 of the half.. Then a real solid 2nd half for an easy rd win

Hoopsters take care of business in NYC, blasting Columbia 102-85. Six double figure scorers for Cornell, with 12 Big Red players getting on the scoresheet.

This team is definitely fun to watch.

Most points they ever scored against Columbia.

Not sure if I've ever seen a team get killed on the offensive glass like Cornell was today and still cruise to a 20 point win (it was 99-77 when the deep bench went in). 22 turnovers fixes a lot.

Quote from: mountainredNot sure if I've ever seen a team get killed on the offensive glass like Cornell was today and still cruise to a 20 point win (it was 99-77 when the deep bench went in). 22 turnovers fixes a lot.

very satisfying

New schedule is so weird. Harvard tomorrow at 2.

Quote from: mountainredWith today's results in, Cornell and Princeton are 3-1...

Didn't even catch until looking at the standings that Princeton blew an 8 point halftime lead against Brown and then came back here to see that it had been noted (generally). Excellent.

Quote from: ugarteNew schedule is so weird. Harvard tomorrow at 2.

Quote from: mountainredWith today's results in, Cornell and Princeton are 3-1...

Didn't even catch until looking at the standings that Princeton blew an 8 point halftime lead against Brown and then came back here to see that it had been noted (generally). Excellent.

I will say, it's definitely worth pulling up the replay of the last 5 or so in-game minutes of that Princeton-Brown game. Some wild shotmaking on both sides.

I'll be at the Harvard game today, hoping for the good guys to get another road W.

Quote from: semsoxI'll be at the Harvard game today, hoping for the good guys to get another road W.

blech. Great run to tie it up in the second half with trapping D and good looks but then the shooters went cold and Harvard hit some nice shots with the shot clock running out. 95-89 bad guys.

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Quote from: semsoxI'll be at the Harvard game today, hoping for the good guys to get another road W.

blech. Great run to tie it up in the second half with trapping D and good looks but then the shooters went cold and Harvard hit some nice shots with the shot clock running out. 95-89 bad guys.

Yup. Not much to add here. I would have liked to see us employ the trap a bit more, as it seems whatever normal defensive scheme we were running was ineffective. Near the end of the game, Harvard made shots and we missed shots. So it goes sometimes. I did still like that we kept making shots. This could have easily ended up as a 10+ point margin of defeat given the way the final few minutes played out.

Nice win 80-73 over brown. Shots just weren't falling in the first half and once that started going our way we took advantage. I don't know how coach earl hasn't made Ragland stop shooting threes by now, it's getting egregious.

Quote from: chimpfoodNice win 80-73 over brown. Shots just weren't falling in the first half and once that started going our way we took advantage. I don't know how coach earl hasn't made Ragland stop shooting threes by now, it's getting egregious.

I guess he must hit them in practice, and Earl hopes he can figure out how to do it in the games. Otherwise, no excuse.

he shot almost 40% last yr so he probably thinks he can make more. he also probably the most talented FW on the team so they want him to make his plays.

Quote from: upprdeckhe shot almost 40% last yr so he probably thinks he can make more. he also probably the most talented FW on the team so they want him to make his plays.

and he's left open to take them a lot

Another thing to note is that we were without Nasir Williams today. He had no visible casts or braces on the sideline and I even saw him job a few times so hopefully we have him back next week for a very difficult princeton/Penn away weekend.

With Princeton going down, we're again tied with them at the top of the league at 5-2. Yale, after a surprising 1-3 start in league play is tied for 3rd at 4-3 with a perhaps equally surprising Dartmouth.

you can see a path where just winning our home games to get to 8-6 is likely enough to get to the IVY playoffs.  They are so bunched up I dont see how more than 4 teams can get above 8 wins now.

cornell - Princ for first place tonight

Yale burying harvard right now.

had things worked out tonight there was a chance for a 5 way tie for 3rd.

26-12 run to close first half puts Cornell up 45-35 at the half.

This game at least deserves posting the half time score.
Cornell 45, Princeton 35, at the half

Quote from: djk26This game at least deserves posting the half time score.
Cornell 45, Princeton 35, at the half

It was.  P now up by 5 with 8 minutes left.

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Cornell 45, Princeton 35, at the half

It was.  P now up by 5 with 8 minutes left.

P by 7. stg the rim that cornell was shooting at in the second half was off. everything was rattling in and out. manon looked great but he couldn't do it alone.

what happened to nazir? he didn't play against brown either.

cant shoot 25% from 3 against a team that can shoot 3s and then also struggle on Fts.

Just setting the stage for beating Princeton on their home floor in the ILT. Pretty tough to beat a team three times in the same season, right? Right???

In all seriousness though, I do admire the resolve of this team. It looked like the game was going to get out of hand with about 5 minutes left, but they really did force Princeton to keep making shots and playing through. Unfortunately the terrible continuation call with under a minute left ended the game.

I'll be at the Palestra later for what hopefully is a bounce back game. Should be a good time regardless

This team is special, I think they have it in them

If Penn was actually hitting freethrows,  they'd have a bigger lead right now. Most of their 3's have gone in

Slow start but Cornell came back, then gave the lead up. Down 2 at the half but tbh they look like the better team and should be able to pull away. Nazir Williams injury really hurts this team because his motion opens up the floor for the shooters. Boothby's stroke seems gone and he can't get himself open. Surprised at how little Manon is playing today but he's got 2 fouls. Dolan with 18 at the half.

Frustrating weekend.  In both games the defense struggled to get stops and got pounded on the boards.  Earl's strategy is understandable as Cornell is a bit undersized up and all the cards are put on a gambling trap defense to create steals but if teams are able to pass out of the traps as both Princeton and Penn did it creates open 3s and opportunities around the hoop.  Also Penn seemed to be getting loose balls on their offensive end.  Curran, the so-called color analyst on the Penn broadcasts, is one of the worst homers on the Ivy circuit IMO.  Eyes on the prize-finish in the top 4 still in reach.

both games played out late with inability to make any 3s when it mattered and Fts not going their way.

Get in the top 4. It really doesn't matter which spot it is. Probably have to go through both P's anyway.

Quote from: rss77Curran, the so-called color analyst on the Penn broadcasts, is one of the worst homers on the Ivy circuit IMO.

I didn't think so. He was hard on the refs but thought they were calling a terrible game both ways. I thought the Penn crew was one of the best local crews I've heard calling any sport. *Highly* complimentary of Cornell, team and individuals.

Nazir, where are you!? Still think they'll right the ship. This is a very, very good team and the P/P weekends are done. Yale and Harvard rematches loom very large and we can't lose any of the other 3.

This is hardly the first Cornell hoops team to go o-fer on the P/P trip.  8-6 almost certainly gets you in the ILT, and that means winning at Brown, and at home v. Columbia and Dartmouth.  ILT is very much in play, and it's not like the #1 seed brings it to Newman.

Quote from: mountainredThis is hardly the first Cornell hoops team to go o-fer on the P/P trip.  8-6 almost certainly gets you in the ILT, and that means winning at Brown, and at home v. Columbia and Dartmouth.  ILT is very much in play, and it's not like the #1 seed brings it to Newman.

Brown just won at Harvard.  Not a gimme in Pizzitola.

https://ivyleague.com/feature/ivymadness2023 shows men's Ivy tournament March 11,12
but https://ivyleague.com/calendar.aspx?path=mbball shows March 10,11 (and puts the whammy on Cornell/Yale/Princeton)

Anybody know which is correct?

I would say it has to be fri-sat.. they are trying to stop sunday games before march madness and the thing starts on tues as well so if an ivy played in one of those games even less time to get ready.

big thanks to cornell's web folks

Cornell at Brown tomorrow

lose and as tight as the standings are it becomes Dicy.. gonna be a tie breaker it would seem someplace by the end.

Prince over Dartmouth helps us
Yale over Columbia not a big deal but Columbia winning would help keep Yale in site.
Penn - Harvard.  Harvard winning means at worst we stay in the top 4. But a Harard loss also means one less time stays in play.

we can end up 2-3-4-5 after tomorrow..

3 homes games left and vs the bottom 3 teams..  Still a good chance the 3 homes are enough to get us to the playoff.

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lose and as tight as the standings are it becomes Dicy.. gonna be a tie breaker it would seem someplace by the end.

Prince over Dartmouth helps us
Yale over Columbia not a big deal but Columbia winning would help keep Yale in site.
Penn - Harvard.  Harvard winning means at worst we stay in the top 4. But a Harard loss also means one less time stays in play.

we can end up 2-3-4-5 after tomorrow..

3 homes games left and vs the bottom 3 teams..  Still a good chance the 3 homes are enough to get us to the playoff.

I still can't wrap my head around Harvard being 7th, they have way too much talent.  Winning at Brown would be huge, but they are playing well.  5 wins in their last 7, with only losses at Yale and in Ithaca.

Really hope to see Nazir back.

Technically, the Big Red could wake up tomorrow in a tie for second, but I just can't see Columbia finishing a sweep of Yale.

This absolutely blows

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Whatever magic this team had has vanished.

This is the worst half of basketball this team has played all season.

They entire half was painful to watch. Last few games our shots just haven't been falling like they did before

Quote from: chimpfoodThey entire half was painful to watch. Last few games our shots just haven't been falling like they did before

honestly thought there was a problem with the rim in Princeton but tbh Boothby has lost his stroke and Ragland had way too much leeway to bomb off the back iron. it seems clear to me that Williams is much more important to the team than just his numbers.

IMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.  You score 80+ in an Ivy game, you take it and you should win.  But you can't let up 90.

Ragland shoots way, way too much.  You can't lead the team in 3's taken and make under 30% of them. Boothby though has found his stroke in league play (He did stink OOC).  Would you believe that coming into today he was hitting 58% of his threes in league play (best in the league)?


Brown is just vastly better today.  Tip of the hat to Coach Martin and the Bears.

Quote from: mountainredIMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.

agreed. can't close out shooters and when they try they leave wide open cuts to the basket.  I watched the first 5 minutes of the second half and turned it off because it was sad.

the stretch in the first where they had 3 charges called turned the game and the lead exploded after that

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Quote from: mountainredIMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.

agreed. can't close out shooters and when they try they leave wide open cuts to the basket.  I watched the first 5 minutes of the second half and turned it off because it was sad.

Opponents are hitting 56.8 % of their shots inside the arc.  That is horrid, like bottom 10 in the country bad.  Cornell's offense was outpacing this problem with lots of 3s and lots of forced turnovers for most of the season, but as of late our league opponents are doing a good job of finding the open man and making us pay.

If Cornell wins its 3 remaining home game -- not a certainty by any stretch -- they should make the ILT since Brown still has the P and P trip to make plus a game with Yale.  But the margin for error is now microscopic.

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Quote from: mountainredIMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.

agreed. can't close out shooters and when they try they leave wide open cuts to the basket.  I watched the first 5 minutes of the second half and turned it off because it was sad.

Opponents are hitting 56.8 % of their shots inside the arc.  That is horrid, like bottom 10 in the country bad.  Cornell's offense was outpacing this problem with lots of 3s and lots of forced turnovers, for most of the season but as of late our league opponents are doing a good job of finding the open man and making us pay.

If Cornell wins its 3 remaining home game -- not a certainty by any stretch -- they should make the ILT since Brown still has the P and P trip to make plus a game with Yale.  But the margin for error is now microscopic.

They've lost their mojo and I don't seem them getting it back. Teams obviously found a way on film to exploit the Cornell defense.

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Quote from: mountainredIMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.

agreed. can't close out shooters and when they try they leave wide open cuts to the basket.  I watched the first 5 minutes of the second half and turned it off because it was sad.

Opponents are hitting 56.8 % of their shots inside the arc.  That is horrid, like bottom 10 in the country bad.  Cornell's offense was outpacing this problem with lots of 3s and lots of forced turnovers, for most of the season but as of late our league opponents are doing a good job of finding the open man and making us pay.

If Cornell wins its 3 remaining home game -- not a certainty by any stretch -- they should make the ILT since Brown still has the P and P trip to make plus a game with Yale.  But the margin for error is now microscopic.

They've lost their mojo and I don't seem them getting it back. Teams obviously found a way on film to exploit the Cornell defense.

I, unfortunately, agree with ken. I pray that I'm wrong tho.

Offense gets headlines, defense wins championships

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Quote from: mountainredIMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.

agreed. can't close out shooters and when they try they leave wide open cuts to the basket.  I watched the first 5 minutes of the second half and turned it off because it was sad.

Opponents are hitting 56.8 % of their shots inside the arc.  That is horrid, like bottom 10 in the country bad.  Cornell's offense was outpacing this problem with lots of 3s and lots of forced turnovers, for most of the season but as of late our league opponents are doing a good job of finding the open man and making us pay.

If Cornell wins its 3 remaining home game -- not a certainty by any stretch -- they should make the ILT since Brown still has the P and P trip to make plus a game with Yale.  But the margin for error is now microscopic.

They've lost their mojo and I don't seem them getting it back. Teams obviously found a way on film to exploit the Cornell defense.

I, unfortunately, agree with ken. I pray that I'm wrong tho.

Mojo changes fast in sports and the Brown disaster makes everything look worse.  They've played better at home.  Honestly, nothing would surprise me out of the last four games.

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Quote from: mountainredIMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.

agreed. can't close out shooters and when they try they leave wide open cuts to the basket.  I watched the first 5 minutes of the second half and turned it off because it was sad.

Opponents are hitting 56.8 % of their shots inside the arc.  That is horrid, like bottom 10 in the country bad.  Cornell's offense was outpacing this problem with lots of 3s and lots of forced turnovers, for most of the season but as of late our league opponents are doing a good job of finding the open man and making us pay.

If Cornell wins its 3 remaining home game -- not a certainty by any stretch -- they should make the ILT since Brown still has the P and P trip to make plus a game with Yale.  But the margin for error is now microscopic.

They've lost their mojo and I don't seem them getting it back. Teams obviously found a way on film to exploit the Cornell defense.

I, unfortunately, agree with ken. I pray that I'm wrong tho.

The Basketball-u site posted a widget that lets you see who makes the ILT. (http://bball.notnothing.net/ivy.php?sport=mbb)  If every game ends as predicted, Cornell is still the three seed.  Have to hope the Brown game was an outlier.

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Quote from: mountainredIMHO, in the Harvard, Penn and Princeton losses, it was the defense that really let them down.

agreed. can't close out shooters and when they try they leave wide open cuts to the basket.  I watched the first 5 minutes of the second half and turned it off because it was sad.

Opponents are hitting 56.8 % of their shots inside the arc.  That is horrid, like bottom 10 in the country bad.  Cornell's offense was outpacing this problem with lots of 3s and lots of forced turnovers, for most of the season but as of late our league opponents are doing a good job of finding the open man and making us pay.

If Cornell wins its 3 remaining home game -- not a certainty by any stretch -- they should make the ILT since Brown still has the P and P trip to make plus a game with Yale.  But the margin for error is now microscopic.

They've lost their mojo and I don't seem them getting it back. Teams obviously found a way on film to exploit the Cornell defense.

I, unfortunately, agree with ken. I pray that I'm wrong tho.

The Basketball-u site posted a widget that lets you see who makes the ILT. (http://bball.notnothing.net/ivy.php?sport=mbb)  If every game ends as predicted, Cornell is still the three seed.  Have to hope the Brown game was an outlier.

has us as the 4 seed even with a loss to Harvard, which is also nice, I guess. still going to be worried and you can't stop me!

Quote from: Ken711They've lost their mojo and I don't seem them getting it back. Teams obviously found a way on film to exploit the Cornell defense.

Cornell won 5,4, 4 and 3 games my four years on campus. True, those years are so long ago, dunking wasn't legal. The Sweet Sixteen season spoiled me. That we finish in the top four just makes us think we have a shot to make the NCAAs. Could happen. Maybe.

It does sound with the players Brian Earl recruited, we should do a bit better.

back and forth game and cornell blew a late lead to go to OT (and blew the last possession so badly that Dartmouth got the last shot but rimmed it out). OT was all Cornell, though - scored the first 12 points, IIRC. Big Red go to 6-5.

Meanwhile
Penn (6-4) is beating Yale (7-3) by 2 with 4:59 left
Princeton (7-3) is beating Brown (6-4) by 13 early in the second half.
Harvard (3-7) blowing out Columbia, and we play H tomorrow.

Cornell wins tomorrow to get to 7-5

Penn/brown would mean either all 3 tied or Cornell in 4th

Princ/yale  Princeton win could make a 4 way tie for 2nd.

Penn hangs on, Princeton rolls.


               [u]Remaining[/u]
Princeton 8-3  Yale/@Harvard/Penn
Yale      7-4  @Princeton/Cornell/@Brown
Penn      7-4  Brown/Dartmouth/@Princeton
Cornell   6-5  Harvard/@Yale/Columbia
Brown     6-5  @Penn/@Columbia/Yale
Dartmouth 5-6  @Columbia/@Penn/Harvard
Harvard   4-7  @Cornell/Princeton/@Dartmouth
Columbia  1-10 Dartmouth/Brown/@Cornell


Penn loses to brown/Dart beats Prince ends up 8-5
Cornell beats Yale/Columbia 8-5 loses to Harvard
Dartmouth wins out 8/5
Yale beats Princ loses to Cornell/Brown 8-5
Brown beats Brown/Yale loses to Columbia 8-5

5 way tie for 2nd is still in play

Last night Cornell won the turnover battle by 8, yet somehow had 5 fewer points off turnovers.  Not sure I've ever seen that before.  And because Manon started in place of Boothby, Cornell had just 5 bench points out of the total of 95.  Boothby, Ragland and Watson were all shutout.  I'm sure all that means something, but I have no idea what.

The key is the return of williams. Slots everyone in the right place.  Shorten the bench? Based on last night, maybe?

Today will make or break our postseason hopes as a loss on the road vs Yale and a win at home vs Columbia are all but guarantees at this point.

Quote from: chimpfoodToday will make or break our postseason hopes as a loss on the road vs Yale and a win at home vs Columbia are all but guarantees at this point.

take hasn't been consistent enough for that but also... kinda, yeah

Quote from: upprdeckCornell wins tomorrow to get to 7-5

Penn/brown would mean either all 3 tied or Cornell in 4th

Princ/yale  Princeton win could make a 4 way tie for 2nd.

Will that ship sailed along with whatever mojo the team had this last of the season.

Harvard shot 28% from 3 and 50% for the game. We shot 25% from 3 and 33% for the game. We took 10 more 3's than Harvard, but that's the math. Disappointing game

Looks like I chose a good one to miss.  You aren't beating many teams if you miss two of every three shots.

So what is the realistic path to the playoffs for us now?

cornell beats Columbia

but if we dont win both we want Yale to win out cause we have a win over them and Penn so we would beat Brown in tiebreakers

Harvard to not win out because they beat us h2h twice if the ivies use that as the first tiebreaker?

So for the Ivy tourney, it looks like:
Win, win - in
Lose, win - in only if Yale beats Brown next weekend
Win, lose - same as above
Lose, lose - out

win tongith and we get 2 shots next week.  Lose tongith and we need some help  But yale would be playing for the IVY title so a little help there.

At some point shots have to start falling... right?

Pretty brutal second half.  Cornell is still the 4 seed with a win v. Columbia and a Brown loss to Yale.  As Upperdeck says, Yale will be playing for the top seed and the chance to avoid Penn/Princeton, so there is something.

Not that I see this team winning a game at the ILT right now.

Quote from: mountainredPretty brutal second half.  Cornell is still the 4 seed with a win v. Columbia and a Brown loss to Yale.  As Upperdeck says, Yale will be playing for the top seed and the chance to avoid Penn/Princeton, so there is something.

Not that I see this team winning a game at the ILT right now.

Seem to have really fallen off after the hot start. Wasn't someone important hurt? Is he back/expected back?

Max was hurt but he's been back the past few games and back to his high scoring ways. I'm still very hopeful for our chances as Columbia should be an easy win and if any team can pull off upsets it's this one.

Mojo for this team was long gone.  Looking to next season and some taller front court players being brought in.

Strangely, the final games next weekend are not all at the same time. So Cornell will need to win at 2PM and then huddle around a TV and root for Yale at 7:30PM

Quote from: chimpfoodMax was hurt but he's been back the past few games and back to his high scoring ways. I'm still very hopeful for our chances as Columbia should be an easy win and if any team can pull off upsets it's this one.

Nazir missed two or three games, but he's back. I don' think there has been a meaningful injury other that his.

I'm not sure there are easy wins for this team right now, but they should beat the Lions at home.  And if they don't, they really don't belong in the ILT.

I know Ken calls it mojo, but the defense went from so-so to bad with the losses at Harvard, Penn and Princeton. Then the offense went from elite to mediocre in the last couple of losses.  

One thing is that the rotation seems to have shrunk; lots of guys still play, but only seven logged 10+ minutes at Yale.  And that includes Josh Baldwin who may one day be a huge part of the team, but right now he's an overmatched freshman.

As recently as last year there were two off-off-Broadway post-season tournaments that wanted you to pony up to play.  But the Basketball Classic gave up after they spent last March getting turned turned by the likes of UMBC and Merrimack.   Earlier this season, there was a CBI bracketology page (who would bother, I ask even though I read the page) that had us listed, but no Ivy is currently listed.  I have to think the school has better uses for $50K.

Yale plays for first no matter what happens.

not sure of the tie breaker rules but normal convention of head 2 head and such would work out  going down the standings..

Yale wins
Penn wins

tied h2h, both split with Princeton so 4th/5th/6th place team matters

If Cornell wins  cornell split with penn and yale
Brown lost to both twice
dart split both.
Yale lost all 4

So Col beating Yale in game 1 makes Penn the champ

I must have got lost somewhere though, I dont think that can happen . but too lazy to go back and look.

Yale since the Cornell loss has only lost 1 game and playing the best of anyone.

Quote from: upprdeckYale since the Cornell loss has only lost 1 game and playing the best of anyone.

Cause and effect? Yale's been playing better since the release of the DiSantis book. Has anybody read it?

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Quote from: upprdeckYale since the Cornell loss has only lost 1 game and playing the best of anyone.

Cause and effect? Yale's been playing better since the release of the DiSantis book. Has anybody read it?

Nick wrote a book? He's only a freshman!

I switched from Ohio State lacrosse to the Columbia game. First thing I saw, Cornell missed a long three-pointer, like the baskbetall fans grumble about. But halfway through the first half, Cornell has more than doubled Columbia, 30-14, with four threes. Make that six, if I heard the announcers. 40-20 late in the half. Reduced to 40-34, uh-oh, and 45-39 at the half. Yikes. 21-5 Columbia run.

Final: Cornell 87-73.

Chris Manon had a highlight reel steal at midcourt and dunk with about 9:00 to play in the first half.

When it was 40-18, I was thinking Columbia didn't really want to be there was just playing out the string.  Then they go on a 16-0 run where the Big Red looked every bit as bad as that run looks.

can they hang on after that ending

Col. cut it to 4 and Cornell goes on 16-3 run

Let's go Yale!! Do they have anything significant to play for after the results of these early games?

Quote from: CU2007Let's go Yale!! Do they have anything significant to play for after the results of these early games?

First place, I believe.

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Quote from: CU2007Let's go Yale!! Do they have anything significant to play for after the results of these early games?

First place, I believe.

Yep.  If they win, they get us and, I think, at least an NIT bid.  If they lose, they get Penn.

Other than that absolutely brutal 4 minute stretch late in the first half, this game has been largely non-competitive.

Yale jumped out early and gave most of it back up 4 late in the first

Yale blows the whole 13 pt lead and scores 3 pts the last 6 min to now trails with 7 secs in the first half

Quote from: upprdeckYale blows the whole 13 pt lead and scores 3 pts the last 6 min to now trails with 7 secs in the first half

Yale wins 84-75.

yale played well the 2nd half and did a nice job down the stretch. Brown was happy swapping 2s for FTs I guess

(1) Yale vs (4) Cornell, 11AM Saturday
(2)Princeton vs (3) Penn, 1:30PM Saturday

Championship, Sunday at Noon

guess they couldt get access to the gym after lunch

Quote from: upprdeckguess they couldt get access to the gym after lunch

True. On the plus side, with the big conferences mostly starting later in the day, and the games on national tv (ESPNU), we might get a lot of eyeballs. Guess that's a positive.

at least its over before the Lax game ends and  the Hockey game starts.

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Quote from: upprdeckguess they couldt get access to the gym after lunch

True. On the plus side, with the big conferences mostly starting later in the day, and the games on national tv (ESPNU), we might get a lot of eyeballs. Guess that's a positive.

This is clearly made for TV scheduling and the Ivies are completely buried by the attention on the power conferences.

As far as our guys, they closed so poorly -- and yesterday was more about Columbia being a bad team than Cornell tuning bouncing back -- it sure looks like a one and done.  But we have a better chance than Brown right now, which I guess counts for something.

I dont think they have played a complete game Since Jan.. Thats hard to see changing, but there is hope.

Quote from: upprdeckI dont think they have played a complete game Since Jan.. Thats hard to see changing, but there is hope.

No disagreement from me, but we still have a "chip and a chair."

Yale looks like the team we thought they were before the season started (i.e., the best team in the league).  Hard to believe they were 1-3 in the league at one point.

Ivy League All-Ivy Awards.

Greg Dolan, Cornell (Sr., G – Williamsville, N.Y.) 2nd Team All-Ivy
Nazir Williams, Cornell (So., G – Nyack, N.Y.) Honorable Mention


https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/3/7/ivy-league-announces-mens-basketball-major-awards-and-all-ivy-teams.aspx

Is this the day the team plays back to its potential from 2 months ago?

Quote from: upprdeckIs this the day the team plays back to its potential from 2 months ago?

You have to hope so, but there is no real reason to think it will be.

Good start.  Tied and not shooting the lights out.  I've been trying to determine if the last month was bad because Naz got hurt and we shot terribly or if we got figured out.  The game against Columbia made me think that the latter is not the case.  The fact that Yale did not come out and immediately open an 8-10 point lead while we haven't shot well from outside has me optimistic that we have a shot.  Hopefully I didn't just jinx it.

the first half the year we seemed to always have that spurt where we could make 3s.  its been a struggle the last 10-15 games..

I guess I jinxed it.

When Guy is the only guy (no pun intended) making threes, things are not going according to plan.

Yale is a sound team and plays terrific defense. We're playing hard and doing some good things, be we have to knock down some shots to stay in this

Just when it appeared the game might be slipping away, nice job to cut it to 3 at the half. We have a pulse.

Quote from: scoop85Yale is a sound team and plays terrific defense. We're playing hard and doing some good things, be we have to knock down some shots to stay in this

Could have been a lot worse, but shooting under 40% almost certainly won't get it done.  Not sure where this team's shooting touch went.

I thought Cornell did a good job of getting some wide open looks but didnt make them.. then we attacked the rim and couldnt get calls while Yale took a bunch of bad shots and got rewarded with some bad bounce rebounds, buried several 3s in a row and got 2-3 marginal calls in drives to the basket.

Hanging around is all you can ask and hope we go on the 3-4- in a row streak.

Quote from: upprdeckI thought Cornell did a good job of getting some wide open looks but didnt make them.. then we attacked the rim and couldnt get calls while Yale took a bunch of bad shots and got rewarded with some bad bounce rebounds, buried several 3s in a row and got 2-3 marginal calls in drives to the basket.

Hanging around is all you can ask and hope we go on the 3-4- in a row streak.

Best synopsis of the half.  They can't win missing wide open looks, free throws, and overcome some dubious officiating.

aaaaaaand not the start to the second half one would have hoped for

*If* we can hang around, and if we can make a free throw, Yale racking up the fouls early may be consequential.

Cant expect many wins shooting 33% and the othe team shoots 60% from 3.

Quote from: upprdeckCant expect many wins shooting 33% and the othe team shoots 60% from 3.

Earl has done a great job squeezing decent results out of his team, but today highlighted that there's still a talent gap between Cornell and the top of the league. The recruits coming in seem decent, but don't look to be at the level of Yale's guys. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Princeton defeats Yale 74-65

Quote from: nyc94Princeton defeats Yale 74-65

NCAA Tournament bids:

Penn 24
Princeton 26
Field 28

The Ivy website used to have a nice history section, now it's just littered with promos and the phrase "Ivy Madness," which *barf*

Quote from: nyc94Princeton defeats Yale 74-65

Clearly driven by the ghost of Pete Carril

IMO we are very fortunate to have Brian Earl as the head basketball coach and he got the most mileage out of the talent.  Hoping that Imegwu the 6 foot 9 from Blair Academy commit will help the interior defense.  Through the latter half of the season the Red struggled to get stops on defense and the opposing teams' shooting percentage was usually above 50%.  Have not looked at the stats but Cornell's 3 point shooting percentage seemed to fall off also. I am sure the coaching staff wants to firm up the interior defense but that weakness extends back to when Courtney was coaching.  Cornell cannot seem to recruit the quality bigs that Yale, Princeton, and Brown have.  Dolan is a big loss but much of the talent returns.  Again Kudos to Coach Earl and his staff.

15th ranked Princeton 59 beat 2nd ranked Arizona 55 in NCAA playoff bracket game today.

Cornell needs to find a forward than can make plays other than make a 3.  the PU bigs took the ball to the hoop vs Ariz.

I fear Princeton making a continued run in the tournament could mean their coach Mitch Henderson gets offered a higher level opening, and Brian Earl, a Princeton grad leaves Cornell to take his place.

Quote from: Ken711I fear Princeton making a continued run in the tournament could mean their coach Mitch Henderson gets offered a higher level opening, and Brian Earl, a Princeton grad leaves Cornell to take his place.

That scenario sounds all too plausible, and I bet one win in this tournament is enough for Princeton's coach to get serious interest from other schools.  If Earl goes to Princeton we'll have to watch Earl vs Donohue in the Princeton/Penn games.

I would think that he would need to make 3-4x his cornell money to be even in costs in NJ..   maybe he likes this lifestyle up here??

Quote from: upprdeckI would think that he would need to make 3-4x his cornell money to be even in costs in NJ..   maybe he likes this lifestyle up here??

The opportunity to coach at your alma mater and the prestige of the Princeton name in recruiting may be too much to turn down if offered a chance, regardless of the salary.  Anyway, I hope he stays and can build a strong team at Cornell.

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Quote from: upprdeckI would think that he would need to make 3-4x his cornell money to be even in costs in NJ..   maybe he likes this lifestyle up here??

The opportunity to coach at your alma mater and the prestige of the Princeton name in recruiting may be too much to turn down if offered a chance, regardless of the salary.  Anyway, I hope he stays and can build a strong team at Cornell.

is earl even the best alumni candidate? i admit i didn't keep track of the carrill tree

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Quote from: upprdeckI would think that he would need to make 3-4x his cornell money to be even in costs in NJ..   maybe he likes this lifestyle up here??

The opportunity to coach at your alma mater and the prestige of the Princeton name in recruiting may be too much to turn down if offered a chance, regardless of the salary.  Anyway, I hope he stays and can build a strong team at Cornell.

is earl even the best alumni candidate? i admit i didn't keep track of the carrill tree

I was wondering the same thing -- for example, Sydney Johnson isn't that much older than Earl and doesn't seem to be up to anything. I can't say who the better coach is, though.

And Princeton stomps Missouri.  Next up they get the winner of Creighton / Baylor.

At least Cornell got a mention during the TV coverage as one of only three Ivy League teams to previously make it to the sweet 16. The other 2 were both Penn.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82And Princeton stomps Missouri.  Next up they get the winner of Creighton / Baylor.

At least Cornell got a mention during the TV coverage as one of only three Ivy League teams to previously make it to the sweet 16. The other 2 were both Penn.

Bill Bradley took Princeton to the final four and a date with Cazzie Russell and Michigan.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2021/03/moments-in-march-bill-bradley-led-tigers-final-four-run

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82And Princeton stomps Missouri.  Next up they get the winner of Creighton / Baylor.

At least Cornell got a mention during the TV coverage as one of only three Ivy League teams to previously make it to the sweet 16. The other 2 were both Penn.

Bill Bradley took Princeton to the final four and a date with Cazzie Russell and Michigan.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2021/03/moments-in-march-bill-bradley-led-tigers-final-four-run

The graphic mentioning Penn's two Final Four trips in the late 1970s and Cornell's in 2010 had some fine print above it — "since 1975." (That's when the field expanded to 32 teams and allowed more than one team per conference.)

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82And Princeton stomps Missouri.  Next up they get the winner of Creighton / Baylor.

At least Cornell got a mention during the TV coverage as one of only three Ivy League teams to previously make it to the sweet 16. The other 2 were both Penn.

Bill Bradley took Princeton to the final four and a date with Cazzie Russell and Michigan.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2021/03/moments-in-march-bill-bradley-led-tigers-final-four-run

The graphic mentioning Penn's two Final Four trips in the late 1970s and Cornell's in 2010 had some fine print above it — "since 1975." (That's when the field expanded to 32 teams and allowed more than one team per conference.)

I missed that part.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82And Princeton stomps Missouri.  Next up they get the winner of Creighton / Baylor.

At least Cornell got a mention during the TV coverage as one of only three Ivy League teams to previously make it to the sweet 16. The other 2 were both Penn.

It was a smaller tournament in 1965 -- so there was no Sweet Sixteen, just 23 teams invited -- but Princeton did make it to the final four which is now the Final Four.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82And Princeton stomps Missouri.  Next up they get the winner of Creighton / Baylor.

At least Cornell got a mention during the TV coverage as one of only three Ivy League teams to previously make it to the sweet 16. The other 2 were both Penn.

It was a smaller tournament in 1965 -- so there was no Sweet Sixteen, just 23 teams invited -- but Princeton did make it to the final four which is now the Final Four.

23?  Weird number.

it was a long time until anyone who didnt win a conf could go to the NCAA.. many years the 4-5th best team in the countr stayed home

Quote from: upprdeckit was a long time until anyone who didnt win a conf could go to the NCAA.. many years the 4-5th best team in the countr stayed home

OK, that explains 23.

one big reason UCLA won so many titles..  They played out west and no travel was done back then and only a few western teams were good, so less chances to get beat.. then many eastern teams never even got a chance.. the ACC had many yrs the 2nd best team was a top 5-10 team and stayed home.

Quote from: upprdeckit was a long time until anyone who didnt win a conf could go to the NCAA.. many years the 4-5th best team in the countr stayed home

How hockey should be, as far as I'm concerned. Regular-season "champions," champions, and the top independent. Seed based on KRACH, with byes until you get to balanced quarters or semis. Best 2 out of 3 at the higher seed until the Frozen Four.

princeton to the sweet 16 annoying because cornell no longer "the last ivy to..." and getting to the elite 8 would make it worse but it's still hard for me to root against them to pull it off

Thing is I feel like this Princeton team is nowhere near as good as the Whitman, Dale group. But a win's a win.

The level of consistency across the sport has dropped way off.. The best teams 20 yrs ago seldom played down to level most of these teams could beat.  Now some say the bottom has risen up and it has.  But the top has dropped way more.  So many teams rely on non-basketball related skills to win that those are hard to repeat 30 games a yr.

i'd start a women's hoops thread if it were cornell but since it's not ... columbia v harvard in the Women's NIT final 8 which is pretty cool.

With Miami advancing to the Elite Eight in the men's tournament, it's worth noting that back in December Cornell nearly beat Miami in Miami. The final score was 107-105 and the main reason Miami escaped with a win was due to Isiah Wong scoring a career-high 35 points.

Quote from: dbilmesWith Miami advancing to the Elite Eight in the men's tournament, it's worth noting that back in December Cornell nearly beat Miami in Miami. The final score was 107-105 and the main reason Miami escaped with a win was due to Isiah Wong scoring a career-high 35 points.

" Honestly, Smithers... I don't know why Harvard even bothers to show up. They barely even won."

Jordan Dingle, The Ivy League Player of the Year, a junior from Penn, is entering the transfer portal. (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36311769/penn-jordan-dingle-ivy-league-player-year-entering-portal)