2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
[b]Date Opponent[/b]
Sep17 130 @VMI 130pm per VMI
[b][color=#FF0000]Sep24 Yale (Homecoming)[/color][/b]
Oct01 @Colgate (which opens at Stanford)
Oct07 Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15 Lehigh
Oct22 @Brown
Oct29 @Princeton
Nov05 Penn
Nov12 Dartmouth
Nov19 @Columbia
247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting (https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/?Conference=Ivy) as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.
Quote from: billhoward2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
[b]Date Opponent[/b]
Sep17 130 @VMI 130pm per VMI
[b][color=#FF0000]Sep24 Yale (Homecoming)[/color][/b]
Oct01 @Colgate (which opens at Stanford)
Oct07 Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15 Lehigh
Oct22 @Brown
Oct29 @Princeton
Nov05 Penn
Nov12 Dartmouth
Nov19 @Columbia
247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting (https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/?Conference=Ivy) as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.
"Never heard of any of these guys"
Quote from: CU2007"Never heard of any of these guys"
This guy here is dead.
2022 Recruiting Class of 2026
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx
Quote from: Ken7112022 Recruiting Class of 2026
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx
No biographical info included, which is sort of weak.
Quote from: billhoward2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
[b]Date Opponent[/b]
Sep17 130 @VMI 130pm per VMI
[b][color=#FF0000]Sep24 Yale (Homecoming)[/color][/b]
Oct01 @Colgate (which opens at Stanford)
Oct07 Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15 Lehigh
Oct22 @Brown
Oct29 @Princeton
Nov05 Penn
Nov12 Dartmouth
Nov19 @Columbia
247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting (https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/?Conference=Ivy) as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.
Colgate was one of the two teams that Cornell beat last season and they're opening at Stanford! Their team must be vastly improved or their AD and coaches are masochists. Cornell played Stanford in 1991 and lost 56-6. I'm not optimistic about beating the Red Raiders this year.
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Quote from: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspxThe Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.
But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. ::cry::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspxThe Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.
But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. ::cry::
That most likely won't happen until the new Cornell AD replaces Archer.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspxThe Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.
But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. ::cry::
That most likely won't happen until the new Cornell AD replaces Archer.
Perhaps the reason for not including biographical information in the announcement is that Archer is too busy revising his resume.
Also he presents an interesting contrast regarding AN's proclivity for replacing head coaches with recent graduates:
- In the case of Connor Buczek & Jordan Stevens, after one season it now appears everyone will live happily ever after.
- In the case of Ben DeLuca, it ended unfortunately, but in terms of W's & L's, he was a successful coach at Cornell.But after his firing, it took him 10 years to remake himself into a successful head coach.
- But what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspxThe Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.
But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. ::cry::
That most likely won't happen until the new Cornell AD replaces Archer.
Perhaps the reason for not including biographical information in the announcement is that Archer is too busy revising his resume.
Also he presents an interesting contrast regarding AN's proclivity for replacing head coaches with recent graduates:
- In the case of Connor Buczek & Jordan Stevens, after one season it now appears everyone will live happily ever after.
- In the case of Ben DeLuca, it ended unfortunately, but in terms of W's & L's, he was a successful coach at Cornell.But after his firing, it took him 10 years to remake himself into a successful head coach.
- But what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.
My guess is Archer either ends up as a HC at a lower level like Division 3, or accepts an assistant coach position on an FCS program's staff somewhere.
Quote from: SwampyBut what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.
After his graduation, Archer taught fourth and eigth grades as part of the Teach For America program. He might make an excellent teacher. Good ones are in short supply.
Quote from: George64Quote from: SwampyBut what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.
After his graduation, Archer taught fourth and eigth grades as part of the Teach For America program. He might make an excellent teacher. Good ones are in short supply.
I didn't know this. K-12 teaching is one field where demand is so much greater than supply that being out of the profession for a time may have little impact on one's prospects.
There's also a subtle gender element in that almost 75% of K-12 teachers are women (https://www.zippia.com/teacher-jobs/demographics/), who themselves often absent themselves from the labor market to bear and care for their own children. In the corporate world this has major detrimental impacts (https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/05/reduce-motherhood-penalty-gender-pay-gap/#:~:text=The%20motherhood%20penalty%3A%20How%20childcare,of%20the%20gender%20pay%20gap.&text=Gender%20Inequality-,Studies%20have%20shown%20the%20'motherhood%20penalty'%20makes%20up%2080%25,of%20the%20gender%20pay%20gap.), and one suspects it's also true in K-12 education, if for no other reason than there's some movement between K-12 teaching and corporate jobs. But because women dominate the profession, such employment gaps may be the norm among teachers. If Archer, who has been out of teaching for some time, is well suited for teaching, an occupation where such gaps are common, his sojourn as a college football coach might have minimal impact on his job prospects as a teacher.
He might make a great high-school teacher & football coach. I wish him success and happiness wherever his career takes him.
Then again, lots of great football coaches, from Bob Blackman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Blackman_(American_football)) to George Seifert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seifert), have tried to MCFGA (Make Cornell Football Great Again) and failed. So, maybe Coach Archer will get a second chance as a professional football coach and go on to win multiple Super Bowls and division championships too. Good luck to him!
Quote from: SwampyHe might make a great high-school teacher & football coach. I wish him success and happiness wherever his career takes him.
Then again, lots of great football coaches, from Bob Blackman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Blackman_(American_football)) to George Seifert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seifert), have tried to MCFGA (Make Cornell Football Great Again) and failed. So, maybe Coach Archer will get a second chance as a professional football coach and go on to win multiple Super Bowls and division championships too. Good luck to him!
For sure, Seifert had a terrible record (3 and 15) in his two years at Cornell, but I've always thought that he was let go because Bob Blackman became available. Blackman was extraordinarily successful at Dartmouth, but less so at Illinois. On the Hill, the two coaches were 26-48-1, pretty impressive by today's standards.
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If Archer does return to teaching, as a third-year teacher he will be taking a huge pay cut from his current salary (https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/average-teacher-salary-lower-today-ten-years-ago-nea-report-finds). But he's still the Cornell football coach, isn't he?
Quote from: dbilmesIf Archer does return to teaching, as a third-year teacher he will be taking a huge pay cut from his current salary (https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/average-teacher-salary-lower-today-ten-years-ago-nea-report-finds). But he's still the Cornell football coach, isn't he?
Indeed he is. Unless by some miracle he finishes with a winning record in this, his 10th year of trying, then its see ya.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken7112022 Recruiting Class of 2026
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx
No biographical info included, which is sort of weak.
There's probably not much to say given the quality of players we've been getting of late
Media poll has Cornell last again. Cornell release proudly states the Red outperformed expectations last year (when finished tied for last & went 1-6 in Ivies). Stop the insanity!
Quote from: CASMedia poll has Cornell last again. Cornell release proudly states the Red outperformed expectations last year (when finished tied for last & went 1-6 in Ivies). Stop the insanity!
Please put an end to this Archer tenure. Here's hoping the new AD will finally act on this.
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Quote from: CASMedia poll has Cornell last again. Cornell release proudly states the Red outperformed expectations last year (when finished tied for last & went 1-6 in Ivies). Stop the insanity!
According Noel's retirement plan, he will serve as AD through the end of the 2021-22 academic year and into 2022-23 until a successor is named. A national search was to begin late this summer — that would be now.
I assume that we'll have a new coach for 2023, but it will take years to right the ship. We haven't had a winning season since 2005. Some of our entering freshman hadn't yet been born. President Pollack went to Dartmouth, so she should know that academics and a decent football team are not mutually exclusive.
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...and was provost at the University of Michigan,
where they seem to care about football.
2021 Ivy League Football Standings
Dartmouth.. 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Princeton.... 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Harvard...... 5-2 -- (Overall 8-2)
Columbia.... 4-3 -- (Overall 7-3)
Yale........... 4-3 -- (Overall 5-5)
Penn.......... 1-6 -- (Overall 3-7)
Brown........ 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
Cornell....... 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
The Cornell athletic media considers last year's record of tying for last "an improvement", versus occupying last place all by themselves, even though Cornell was picked last in the 2021 media pre-season poll. :-D
Quote from: Ken7112021 Ivy League Football Standings
Dartmouth.. 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Princeton.... 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Harvard...... 5-2 -- (Overall 8-2)
Columbia.... 4-3 -- (Overall 7-3)
Yale........... 4-3 -- (Overall 5-5)
Penn.......... 1-6 -- (Overall 3-7)
Brown........ 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
Cornell....... 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
The Cornell athletic media considers last year's record of tying for last "an improvement", versus occupying last place all by themselves, even though Cornell was picked last in the 2021 media pre-season poll. :-D
Could take it a step further and say we tied for 6th!
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Ken7112021 Ivy League Football Standings
Dartmouth.. 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Princeton.... 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Harvard...... 5-2 -- (Overall 8-2)
Columbia.... 4-3 -- (Overall 7-3)
Yale........... 4-3 -- (Overall 5-5)
Penn.......... 1-6 -- (Overall 3-7)
Brown........ 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
Cornell....... 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
The Cornell athletic media considers last year's record of tying for last "an improvement", versus occupying last place all by themselves, even though Cornell was picked last in the 2021 media pre-season poll. :-D
Could take it a step further and say we tied for 6th!
That's exactly how they were worded it. Cornell's past record doesn't give the Cornell SID much to work with. :)
Quote from: The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in six of the last seven seasons, including in 2021 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth.
Quote from: Ken711That's exactly how they were worded it. Cornell's past record doesn't give the Cornell SID much to work with. :)
Quote from: The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in six of the last seven seasons, including in 2021 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711That's exactly how they were worded it. Cornell's past record doesn't give the Cornell SID much to work with. :)
Quote from: The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in six of the last seven seasons, including in 2021 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII
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Quote from: George64Quote from: billhoward2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
[b]Date Opponent[/b]
Sep17 130 @VMI 130pm per VMI
[b][color=#FF0000]Sep24 Yale (Homecoming)[/color][/b]
Oct01 @Colgate (which opens at Stanford)
Oct07 Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15 Lehigh
Oct22 @Brown
Oct29 @Princeton
Nov05 Penn
Nov12 Dartmouth
Nov19 @Columbia
247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting (https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/?Conference=Ivy) as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.
Colgate was one of the two teams that Cornell beat last season and they're opening at Stanford! Their team must be vastly improved or their AD and coaches are masochists. Cornell played Stanford in 1991 and lost 56-6. I'm not optimistic about beating the Red Raiders this year.
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IIRC Stanford had another OOC opponent cancel (I want to say UVA) and had to scramble to fill that spot. Certainly not the most thrilling opponent to open Stanford's season.
Best thing the football team has done in years....
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ch2bwcpgTLu/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
The reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza. I am cutting back on all giving to Cornell until that lady is in the unemployment line. I am guessing Cornell football this season will be lucky to win one or two games at the most. Once beautiful Schoellkopf Field is now the ugliest stadium in the Ivy League. I hate to admit, but why would any recruit want to play for this football program?
Quote from: wolcomaThe reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell.
Tell us about any conversations you have had with Pollack that have caused you to draw this conclusion.
Quote from: wolcomaThe reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza.
The Cornell University Master Plan that envisions the Game Farm Road athletic complex is dated 2015. Martha Pollack assumed office in April 2017. The Reis Tennis Center on Pine Tree Road was built in 1993. The train left the station a long time ago.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: wolcomaThe reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza.
The Cornell University Master Plan that envisions the Game Farm Road athletic complex is dated 2015. Martha Pollack assumed office in April 2017. The Reis Tennis Center on Pine Tree Road was built in 1993. The train left the station a long time ago.
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The 2008 master plan called for the removal and relocation of Hoy Field,and the Grumman Squash Courts. https://masterplan.cornell.edu/
Quote from: George64Quote from: wolcomaThe reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza.
The Cornell University Master Plan that envisions the Game Farm Road athletic complex is dated 2015. Martha Pollack assumed office in April 2017. The Reis Tennis Center on Pine Tree Road was built in 1993. The train left the station a long time ago.
As long as they don't close Lynah or let the Crescent crumble for real, I'm fine. Campus has got to densify. And I prefer new buildings to poor renovations of or ugly carbuncles added to older ones.
The three most important aspects that will improve the football program:
1. Make the right hire for the next athletic director who will see and act on the current and prior (dating back to the early 1990's) awful state of the Cornell football program.
2. Hire a PROVEN head coach with a track record of winning success.
3. Follow through with the building of the indoor practice facility currently in the design phase as soon as possible.
See above
Quote from: Scersk '97As long as they don't close Lynah or let the Crescent crumble for real, I'm fine. Campus has got to densify. And I prefer new buildings to poor renovations of or ugly carbuncles added to older ones.
The Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.
The campus could get more classroom, lab and office space with fewer buildings going taller. And/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.
Add-ons to buildings may be carbuncles or not, and they often work well. (The I.M. Pei pyramid added to the Louvre in the 1980s.) The Klarman Hall add-on to Goldwin Smith on the arts quad is fine and more importantly, the large open spaces are what so many students use for studying and being only between classes or while hanging out. I still think the North Campus nine dorms built circa 1970 were overwhelming doubles not singles in the suites at a time when boomer kids had likely grown up not sharing bedrooms.
Quote from: billhowardAnd/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.
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The Klarman Hall add-on to Goldwin Smith on the arts quad is fine....
Hard disagree on both points.
Quote from: billhowardThe Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.
Is this new? What do they do at graduation - in 2019 the crescent was packed for graduation.
Quote from: billhowardAnd/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.
No!!! Are you just being contrarious?
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Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardAnd/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.
No!!! Are you just being contrarious?
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IIRC, the campus master plan marks that area as part of an "important view" corridor. I doubt they'd want anything tall competing with the view of McGraw Tower as you're going west on Tower Road.
Quote from: WederQuote from: George64Quote from: billhowardAnd/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.
No!!! Are you just being contrarious?
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IIRC, the campus master plan marks that area as part of an "important view" corridor. I doubt they'd want anything tall competing with the view of McGraw Tower as you're going west on Tower Road.
Moreover, it was home to AD White and other university presidents, and the last vestige of the faculty row. Before it housed the Society for the Humanities, it was the White Art Museum.
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Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: billhowardThe Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.
Is this new? What do they do at graduation - in 2019 the crescent was packed for graduation.
I think Bill's being ironic again.
That's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Scersk '97As long as they don't close Lynah or let the Crescent crumble for real, I'm fine. Campus has got to densify. And I prefer new buildings to poor renovations of or ugly carbuncles added to older ones.
The Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired...
...I still think the North Campus nine dorms built circa 1970 were overwhelming doubles not singles in the suites at a time when boomer kids had likely grown up not sharing bedrooms.
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I'm lost here Bill. Is your point that not all new building is wonderful? I'd rather point to the concentric hallway maze known as Uris. But I'm not sure what you're aiming at.
(I did junior year in North Campus 5 - assuming that's the dorm group you are speaking of - and it was fine. Two doubles and two singles in a suite. My roommate was great and without his encouragement I might have given up pursuing my wife. 47 years later it was the best advice I can remember from a fellow class of '74 member.
The second most memorable night that year was during fall finals week when Max Jones of basketball transfer fame decided to pull an all nighter. He blared his stereo in his single in an attempt to keep himself awake. The other two in a double were EE's. One held the circuit breaker for the room while the other shorted the electricity thus knocking out the circuit breaker for the suite. And thanks to having made a master key for the building they were able to power us back up in the morning. Thankfully my internal clock woke me for my final because my alarm clock was electric. I think the EE that used his time with projects such as master key production was the one that flunked out.
Singles may be fine but roommates are both wonderful and entertaining. )
Quote from: wolcomaThat's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????
You'll be even more pissed when Martha Pollack hires a female athletic director. But just about every other Ivy's hires as AD have gone that way the past decade.
Not to dispute your points but to offer other perspectives:
* A president who leaves the football game at halftime is going to meet one group of alums, then have drinks at the Statler, probably twice, with alumni with clout or money to donate, hang with a couple trustees, then have dinner with more influencers. I bet there are times when the president desperately needs to go pee and cant' get away from a long-winded bore; it's part of the job. I sat in her box about 5 years ago and she left at halftime but she also was thoughtful to note with a shrug that she had a bunch of homecoming weekend appointments. Regardless, Andy Noel stays to the end of virtually very game, no matter how cold, rainy or hopeless the score.
* The red tarps add zest to the stadium. Nobody has been refused admission because the stadium lacks capacity. Most arenas with upper and lower bowls can drape some or all upper sections. Cornell tarps at least have a stylized C and may have Cornell's twitter handle, so think of the branding opportunities Cornell gains among influencers.
* The president or provost or head of planning comes to an alumni club meeting based on how big the club, the potential gain (versus other use of their time), etcetera. It has been perhaps two decades since Cornell has more or less guaranteed every Cornell club a name-speaker-from-Ithaca without looking at costs and benefits. The CC of Boston gets blown off less than CC of Western Mass. When I was president of that smaller group, at one point the head of Cornell planning flew out in a private plane to speak to 50 people. But then football coach Bob Blackman circa 1980 stopped making a trip to WMass to aware the trophy to the Player of the Year because a) the kids was often not academcially qualified and b) making the award in February, if he was a senior, the kid probably had his college chosen.
* Pollock did show up at a hockey game the day she was announced. Or maybe it was Skorton. We've been through a bunch of presidents this century and I forget which is which.
Quote from: George64Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: billhowardThe Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.
Is this new? What do they do at graduation - in 2019 the crescent was packed for graduation.
I think Bill's being ironic again.
I think it's more like exaggeration. Extreme exaggeration. Buildings only collapse in Miami Beach, plus earthquake-prone countries with poor building codes. Or when Ukraine puts another Javelin missile on target. #AsymmetricWarfare
Quote from: George64Moreover, it was home to AD White and other university presidents, and the last vestige of the faculty row. Before it housed the Society for the Humanities, it was the White Art Museum.
Exactly. None of them move the needle when it comes to biotech, nano-fabrication, etcetera. Plus six, okay five, floors in place of AD White would guarantee 5 bars of cell service all the way out to the new athletics complex.
Uris Hall would not be missed, either.
ADW made it easier to protest w/o having to march all the way to Cayuga Heights and the current president's house.
Quote from: wolcomaThat's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????
And based on this you rant that she "hates athletics?" What nonsense. If you are the guy who writes this same nonsense about Pollack over and over on Voy forum you are an embarrassment to Cornell.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: wolcomaThat's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????
You'll be even more pissed when Martha Pollack hires a female athletic director. But just about every other Ivy's hires as AD have gone that way the past decade.
Not to dispute your points but to offer other perspectives:
* A president who leaves the football game at halftime is going to meet one group of alums, then have drinks at the Statler, probably twice, with alumni with clout or money to donate, hang with a couple trustees, then have dinner with more influencers. I bet there are times when the president desperately needs to go pee and cant' get away from a long-winded bore; it's part of the job. I sat in her box about 5 years ago and she left at halftime but she also was thoughtful to note with a shrug that she had a bunch of homecoming weekend appointments. Regardless, Andy Noel stays to the end of virtually very game, no matter how cold, rainy or hopeless the score.
* The red tarps add zest to the stadium. Nobody has been refused admission because the stadium lacks capacity. Most arenas with upper and lower bowls can drape some or all upper sections. Cornell tarps at least have a stylized C and may have Cornell's twitter handle, so think of the branding opportunities Cornell gains among influencers.
* The president or provost or head of planning comes to an alumni club meeting based on how big the club, the potential gain (versus other use of their time), etcetera. It has been perhaps two decades since Cornell has more or less guaranteed every Cornell club a name-speaker-from-Ithaca without looking at costs and benefits. The CC of Boston gets blown off less than CC of Western Mass. When I was president of that smaller group, at one point the head of Cornell planning flew out in a private plane to speak to 50 people. But then football coach Bob Blackman circa 1980 stopped making a trip to WMass to aware the trophy to the Player of the Year because a) the kids was often not academcially qualified and b) making the award in February, if he was a senior, the kid probably had his college chosen.
* Pollock did show up at a hockey game the day she was announced. Or maybe it was Skorton. We've been through a bunch of presidents this century and I forget which is which.
Not always. Dartmouth's new AD hired this past June wasn't a female, and neither was Princeton's AD hired last year.
Quote from: martySingles may be fine but roommates are both wonderful and entertaining. )
North Campus new dorms (Vietnam era new dorms) were typically (my recall)
* 4 people in doubles, 2 in singles, 2:1 ratio
* Not enough in-suite common space
* too much common area space and what was there seemed cold, institutional
Would have been nice to have a suite of 1 double, plus 3 singles or 4 singles, and more in-suite space. Not everyone at Cornell is rich but even a lot of middle class kids come from single-bedroom houses. Maybe there's a dynamic with a double where you're closer to that person that two guys in adjoining singles. I like to think there's mostly cohesion in a ~six-person unit and you informally pair up with someone you're closer to than, say, your doubles-room mate.
Would have been nice to have some suites with cooking facilities as a on-campus alterntive to off-campus apartments.
IIRC BU's nicest newest dorm, overlooking the Charles ($14K per person 10 years ago), was 4 singles and a double, plus a galley kitchen, plus -- nobody gets it right -- a single bathroom where the toilet and shower were in a single room, only the two sinks were separate. How do six people get ready if all their classes are 9 am?
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
Quote from: wolcomaI have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
As I've said before about eLynah, come for the sports talk, stay for the thread drift.
I think being a university president may be one of the hardest jobs around. They have three major groups of constituents — students, faculty and alumni — groups with vastly different perspectives and needs.
Arguably, she's not a Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, but she has the qualities to be Cornell's president. After all, she was provost at Michigan, a large complex university like Cornell, which unlike our university, fields a competent football team from time to time. Her background in computer science and artificial intelligence is particularly apt given the potential of Cornell Tech and need to integrate our far flung parts into "One Cornell."
As for communications, I recently sent her an email regarding an academic issue, and she replied the next day. "Thank you for your kind email and your thoughtful suggestion ... I'm delighted to hear you were able to visit campus for your birthday. I hope you had a terrific time, and best wishes for the year ahead." Although I donate regularly to Cornell, I'm hardly a heavy hitter and didn't expect a personal response.
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Quote from: wolcomaI have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
No question a female athletic director can do a good job or better. ("Women who want to be equal to men lack ambition."--Timothy Leary) It could be the pressure is so strong to go in that direction that Cornell leans toward correcting a history of no women as athletic department head when the best candidate is male. And some male alumni will believe that to be the case even if the woman who gets the job is the best-qualified person.
Quote from: George64I think being a university president may be one of the hardest jobs around. They have three major groups of constituents — students, faculty and alumni — groups with vastly different perspectives and needs.
Clark Kerr, former University of California chancellor, agrees with you. He put it this way:
Quote from: Clark KerrI find that the three major administrative problems on a campus are sex for the students, athletics for the alumni and parking for the faculty.
Quote from: wolcomaI have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
TBH no serious academic would want to be a University President. It's such a step down.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: wolcomaI have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
No question a female athletic director can do a good job or better. ("Women who want to be equal to men lack ambition."--Timothy Leary) It could be the pressure is so strong to go in that direction that Cornell leans toward correcting a history of no women as athletic department head when the best candidate is male. And some male alumni will believe that to be the case even if the woman who gets the job is the best-qualified person.
How about they hire the AD candidate that is best qualified. It certainly it didn't matter to Dartmouth or Princeton, who both hired male ADs in the last year. Whoever Cornell hires to replace Andy Noel, it shouldn't take long to see Cornell needs to go in a new direction with their football program. :-D
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardQuote from: wolcomaI have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
No question a female athletic director can do a good job or better. ("Women who want to be equal to men lack ambition."--Timothy Leary) It could be the pressure is so strong to go in that direction that Cornell leans toward correcting a history of no women as athletic department head when the best candidate is male. And some male alumni will believe that to be the case even if the woman who gets the job is the best-qualified person.
How about they hire the AD candidate that is best qualified. It certainly it didn't matter to Dartmouth or Princeton, who both hired male ADs in the last year. Whoever Cornell hires to replace Andy Noel, it shouldn't take long to see Cornell needs to go in a new direction with their football program. :-D
It sounds as if we're saying what Cornell is saying: We'll hire the best athletic director candidate available. A little part of me — call me a cynic after 40-plus years in publishing — believes the odds that Cornell selects the NFL chant of "best player regardless of position" are 55-45 against. Cornell could make the selection, whoever it is, more palatable by picking an alum.
I believe Cornell should invest more in athletics & not accept losing over long periods in a "visible" program (read football). As an aside, President Pollack must be doing something right. Fundraising is at a record level ($900MM in gifts last fiscal year). Interest in attending Cornell also is very strong, with record applications & yield, resulting in only a 7% admit rate. Imagine if Cornell had a winning football team...
Quote from: CASI believe Cornell should invest more in athletics & not accept losing over long periods in a "visible" program (read football). As an aside, President Pollack must be doing something right. Fundraising is at a record level ($900MM in gifts last fiscal year). Interest in attending Cornell also is very strong, with record applications & yield, resulting in only a 7% admit rate. Imagine if Cornell had a winning football team...
...then things would pretty much be the same IMHO.
Cornell is not in Division 1 in football (yes I know they call it 1A or something like that but it is not the highest level league). There is only so much excitement to be generated for a team and league that has been relegated to a lower status.
I'm not an Andy Noel fan. But, IIRC, in 2019-2020, Cornell was #1 in M & W hockey, and men's lacrosse was ranked #2 (behind Syracuse, which had played a weaker schedule). Imagine COVID did not ended prematurely end the season, and we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?
If we bring in a new AD, under which we accomplish these three NC's, would it be sufficient?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: wolcomaI have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
TBH no serious academic would want to be a University President. It's such a step down.
It's a different career track. There are academics for whom Department Chair is a role you might take on grudgingly when you're pretty senior because someone has to do it and it's your turn/the department has run out of other people you think could do it competently. Then there are those for whom it's a stepping stone to Dean, Provost etc.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: wolcomaI have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
TBH no serious academic would want to be a University President. It's such a step down.
It's a different career track. There are academics for whom Department Chair is a role you might take on grudgingly when you're pretty senior because someone has to do it and it's your turn/the department has run out of other people you think could do it competently. Then there are those for whom it's a stepping stone to Dean, Provost etc.
As I said. No
serious academic.
World needs ditch diggers too.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: CASI believe Cornell should invest more in athletics & not accept losing over long periods in a "visible" program (read football). As an aside, President Pollack must be doing something right. Fundraising is at a record level ($900MM in gifts last fiscal year). Interest in attending Cornell also is very strong, with record applications & yield, resulting in only a 7% admit rate. Imagine if Cornell had a winning football team...
...then things would pretty much be the same IMHO.
Cornell is not in Division 1 in football (yes I know they call it 1A or something like that but it is not the highest level league). There is only so much excitement to be generated for a team and league that has been relegated to a lower status.
While I would love a "winning football team," it would have zero impact on applications or the perception of the university by the public at large. Perhaps it would cause a few more of us old farts to donate more, but that's about it.
Quote from: Swampy...we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?
*cough*
Yes, absolutely.
Sorry, but a couple high-profile teams winning isn't the only metric of a job like A.D.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Swampy...we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?
*cough*
Yes, absolutely.
Sorry, but a couple high-profile teams winning isn't the only metric of a job like A.D.
Unless the team is football?????
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: RichHQuote from: Swampy...we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?
*cough*
Yes, absolutely.
Sorry, but a couple high-profile teams winning isn't the only metric of a job like A.D.
Unless the team is football?????
No number of football wins could redeem the AD. I'm with RichH.
Why is Cornell opening vs VMI, & not playing an easier opponent (like Marist, who is playing Columbia). Guess to be the best you have to
beat the best.
Cornell football opens the 2022 season at VMI Saturday 9/17, 1:30 p.m. It's a follow-on to last year's VMI game in Ithaca (VMI 31-21). This is VMI's third game of 2022, after losing to Wake Forest 44-10 then beating Bucknell 24-14.
Cornell's pre-game preview (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/9/14/football-vmi-preview.aspx) shows reasons to be optimistic:
* With only nine seniors (six freshmen, 11 sophomores and 18 juniors), Cornell is building to the future
* Two of the Cornell players are from Virginia and have insights on VMI
* "Picked to finish eighth in the Ivy League in the [2022] preseason media poll, Cornell has regularly exceeded prognosticators, surpassing its predicted finish in six of the past seven seasons."
So, good luck, Big Red. It has to go better than Colgate's opener (Stanford, 41-0).
Following the Colgate-Stanford game, there was this column (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/pac-12/2022/09/08/moore-pac-12-patriot-league-future-college-football/8020319001/) in AZCentral (which covers Arizona State as a local school) suggesting Colgate's Patriot League might move up (athletically) and start "poaching" big-school talent. Assuming the writer was not stoned out of his mind while typing, it's, ah, intriguing:
Quote from: Greg Moore, Arizona CentralThe Ivy and Patriot Leagues could merge into a Brainiac Athletic League, pulling the upper subdivision schools down to the lower subdivision for a postseason playoff that would be the smartest move this side of March Madness.
The possibilities are limitless for an innovative mind, which would put Arizona State University in the mix to play BAL. (U.S. News & World Report's No. 1 in innovation for seven years running, ahead of Harvard and MIT, which plays football at the Division III level.)
It wasn't an accident that Colgate stepped up to Stanford — even if the Raiders ended up getting pasted by the Cardinal. Maybe it was an effort to send a signal about the future?
A recent U.S. News & World Report ranking of best national universities includes Vanderbilt (No. 14), which is the "Harvard of the South" and Stanford (No. 6), the "Harvard of the West" ... and Harvard (No. 2), the Harvard of the Harvard, we suppose.
Cornell exceeded expectations last year by finishing in a tie for last place (vs being alone in
last place).
Quote from: CASCornell exceeded expectations last year by finishing in a tie for last place (vs being alone in
last place).
Again, if one is an upbeat person, recall that Cornell tied for
sixth place with two other teams.
...is it possible to be upbeat going 1-6 in the Ivies?
From the Cornell Daily Sun preview talking about the loss of 51 seniors and 5th year players:
Quote from: The result of the unprecedented roster turnover this season is a lot of unproven, inexperienced players. Reflecting on 2021, Archer indicated that he regretted "coaching with gratitude." So many fifth-year seniors disrupted their lives to play for the Red in 2021 after losing the 2020 season to the pandemic. Archer, feeling a sense of gratitude and perhaps obligation, gave those players most of the opportunities. Now, with those players gone, it's hard to know what to expect when Cornell puts its current roster to the test for the first time.
Sounds to me like instead of giving playing time to your best players who were underclassman, Archer instead played all the seniors because he felt he "owed them something" for returning, thus his coaching with gratitude regret? Unless by some miracle he finishes with at least a .500 record, he has got to go!
Some really stupid playcalling on the Cornell one-foot line results in a safety. Put Jameson under center and bull forward.
Cornell starts the season with a lead, 7-2, over VMI after the first quarter. On the road. Of course, any time your time gives up a safety, you know something went wrong. Still, that's nice.
Looking okay so far, 14-2. VMI making errors but we are cashing them in.
21-2 after a pick 6. Great first half.
Cornell 28-2 late third. "What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports, is goin' on here?"
Quote from: TrotskyCornell 28-2 late third. "What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports, is goin' on here?"
The universe is f-ing with us. We're going to be stuck with Archer forever.
Did Wang get hurt, I see Luke Duby has playing QB for most of the 4th Qt?
Cornell gives up 3 TDs in the last 5 or 6 minutes with abysmal (backup?) pass defense and giving up a put block but with a missed XP, the final score is 28-22 Cornell.
When was the last time Cornell had more wins than Notre Dame?
28-22 final.
The defense gave up 20 points in the 4th quarter, to make it "interesting."
Quote from: Ken711Did Wang get hurt, I see Luke Duby has playing QB for most of the 4th Qt?
wasn't watching until the game was all keydets so hope it was just the 28-2 lead
Much harder than it had to be, but excellent road win against a favored opponent that took it to us in Ithaca last year. Wang got banged up in the 3rd quarter, but came back and played. Perhaps he wasn't feeling great in the 4th quarter, with Duby getting most if not all the time. If it was a coach's decision to play Duby it was a poor one—-not that Duby's bad, but Wang to me is "the guy".
Cornell played a freshman at RB Gannon Carothers that looked better than Eddy Tillman the sophomore RB listed as the starter.
Quote from: TrotskyCornell 28-2 late third. "What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports, is goin' on here?"
From Cornell 28-2 to 28-22 final over VMI is reassuring to those who can't believe Cornell fields a decent football team. If we gave up one more TD the game would've rested on the early safety Cornell took.
Otherwise, what an amazing game for Cornell. A team so underrated that the Red would not have rewarded betters unless VMI won 43-28 (ESPN line showed VMI -14.5).
The Ivies went 7-1 for the weekend. Here's how the league fared relative to the Ivy media poll:
1. Harvard needed OT to beat Merrimakc 28-21 (Friday)
2. Dartmouth 35, Valparaiso 13
2. Princeton 39, Stetson 14
Teams with no first-place votes:
4. Cornell's Homecoming opponent Yale got clobbered by Holy
Cross, 38-14.
5. Columbia 28, Marist 0.
6. Penn 25, Colgate 14.
7. Brown 44, Bryant 38.
8. Cornell 28, VMI 2.
Amazing win over VMI. (OK, and a naibiter at the end.) Not much excitement here on this thread, as if Cornell winning a game makes it harder to dismiss the coach. Meanwhile:
Ivy League went 7-1 on opening weekend. Players of the week were two Harvards and two Princetons. (Harvard, recall, needed OT to beat Merrimack.) Cornell did four HMs:
Freshman RB Gannon Carothers
TE William Enneking
LB Jake Stebbins
LB Holt Fletcher
https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/9/19/league-announces-football-awards-after-7-1-opening-weekend.aspx
Homecoming game, Yale at Cornell, 2 pm. Surprisingly, going into the second game of the season, it's Cornell with the 1-0 record, 28-22 over VMI while Yale lost to Holy Cross 38-14. Yale picked to finish fourth in the pre-season media poll, Cornell picked to finish eighth. ESPN has Cornell a 2.5-point underdog vs. the Bulldogs. Spread would have been a lot more if Cornell had not beaten VMI.
Rest of the league, Harvard at Brown, Lafayette at Penn, Columbia at Georgetown, Lehigh at Princeton, Dartmouth at Sacred Heart. All Saturday games.
I saw a troupe of buses as I was driving through town earlier and caught a glimpse of some Yale gear being worn by the folks inside so the opponents have definitely been around for much of the day
Same old, same old vs. Yale. Think I'll go to a talk on the Atlantic Ocean.
Yale leading 21-7 with about 6:30 left in the 1st half. Wang has been most of our offense, and Yale's offense is basically toying with our defense; it doesn't help that our tacking is abysmal. Looks like it will be another long day on homecoming barring a stunning turnaround.
We had a 2nd and 2 and couldn't convert. Our Play calling isn't great, Yale has better talent and executes better than we do. Amazing that some of the Yale fans complain about their coaching.
Not just outclassed but incompetent. That last "substitution" before the 4th Yale touchdown was keystone kops stuff. Call a timeout?
Not to mention that kickoff that just bounced around.
On the plus side, I like the new sleeve stripes. Think they're new.
Lecture was better than the football. So would have been a nap. VMI must be dreadful.
There's a soccer (aka football elsewhere) game at Marist on ESPN3 at 6.
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Having a strong wrestling program is so good for student and alumni morale! Who cares about football? All hail Andy!
Quote from: Al DeFlorioVMI must be dreadful.
VMI game was a tale of two halves — Cornell 21-2 in the first half, then 7-20 in the second. Regression to the mean?
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Cornell is now 15-42 in the Ivies with Dave Archer as head coach, & losers of 7 of their last 8 in the league.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioVMI must be dreadful.
VMI game was a tale of two halves — Cornell 21-2 in the first half, then 7-20 in the second. Regression to the mean?
.
Not really. It was 54 minutes of 28-2 and then six minutes of 0-20. Strange that VMI did not start Ironside, who excelled at QB against Cornell last year. Once inserted, he led the too late comeback.
Quote from: CASCornell is now 15-42 in the Ivies with Dave Archer as head coach, & losers of 7 of their last 8 in the league.
There is absolutely no way to justify bringing back Archer for another year.,,,none. The first order of business for the new AD has to be finding a new coaching staff.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CASCornell is now 15-42 in the Ivies with Dave Archer as head coach, & losers of 7 of their last 8 in the league.
There is absolutely no way to justify bringing back Archer for another year.,,,none. The first order of business for the new AD has to be finding a new coaching staff.
But Cornell is consistently doing better than the preseason predictions. Just last year, for example, we finished two spots higher in the Ivies than had been forecast!
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: Ken711Quote from: CASCornell is now 15-42 in the Ivies with Dave Archer as head coach, & losers of 7 of their last 8 in the league.
There is absolutely no way to justify bringing back Archer for another year.,,,none. The first order of business for the new AD has to be finding a new coaching staff.
But Cornell is consistently doing better than the preseason predictions. Just last year, for example, we finished two spots higher in the Ivies than had been forecast!
Tied for last place, is still in last place. :-D
Cornell is now tied for seventh in the Ivies, again exceeding the preseason polls
I propose that until we get a coach who establishes a winning tradition, we don't hire any more alumni as HC. Recent history (at least the past 40 years) has been a progression to doormat status. We need a coach who knows how to pick a program up from the floor.
Quote from: SwampyI propose that until we get a coach who establishes a winning tradition, we don't hire any more alumni as HC. Recent history (at least the past 40 years) has been a progression to doormat status. We need a coach who knows how to pick a program up from the floor.
Couldn't agree more.
Cornell was simply outclassed on both sides of the ball. Not blaming the Quarterback Wang for the effort-he barely had time to throw as the Cornell offensive line was unable to keep Yale defenders out of the backfield. Not many positives to take out of this game. On to Colgate in Hamilton.
Quote from: SwampyI propose that until we get a coach who establishes a winning tradition, we don't hire any more alumni as HC. Recent history (at least the past 40 years) has been a progression to doormat status. We need a coach who knows how to pick a program up from the floor.
unless we can get lazor lol
Quote from: arugulaOn the plus side, I like the new sleeve stripes. Think they're new.
In the WW I German army, they were called wound stripes. The team has been through a lot.
Cornell's third game, Saturday 10/1 at Colgate (fifth game), 1 p.m., on ESPN+. Cornell is 1-1, Colgate is 1-3. Among mutual opponents, Holy Cross beat Colgate last week, 35-10, and the week before, Holy Cross beat Yale 38-14, which Yale beat Cornell 38-14. Oddsmakers seem to have predictions on Ivy vs. Ivy, but not for this game that I saw.
Colgate in 2022:
(L) Stanford, 41-10
(W) 21, Maine 18
(L) 14, Penn 25
(L) 10, Holy Cross 35
Good luck, Cornell. And for those hoping Cornell will lose big-time so there's regime change in the coaching ranks, you can at least root for Cornell to beat the spread, if one shows up? I'd like to see Cornell do well. I played for enough 2-10 soccer teams in HS and it's small solace to say losing builds character.
Cornell early pre-game notes: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/9/28/football-visits-colgate-to-renew-central-new-york-gridiron-rivalry.aspx
Colgate's version (not much as of 9/28): https://colgateathletics.com/sports/football?path=football
Penn has looked good so far this season with their new Offensive Coordinator Dan Swanstrom. Swanstrom was the former successful head coach at Ithaca College with a .744 winning percentage. He would be an ideal candidate to replace Archer.
Colgate 7 Cornell 0. First Cornell drive -9 yards.
Wang getting some time pass, Cornell ties it up 7-7.
Wang with a 62 yd TD pass, 14-7 Cornell.
Cornell 21-13 at the half.
Now 21-21 after fumble returned for a td. Our RBs have no instincts or speed, and you can see clearly we are not a well coached team
Quote from: scoop85Now 21-21 after fumble returned for a td. Our RBs have no instincts or speed, and you can see clearly we are not a well coached team
Just had the Colgate QB dead to rights on 3rd and 8 and we whiffed on 2 tackles. Abysmal fundamentals
At some point, maybe, Cornell will figure out that handing the ball to a running back seven yards behind the line of scrimmage so he can run it to two yards behind the line of scrimmage is not a bright idea.
And the somewhat deeper concept that the people at each end of the line of scrimmage are eligible receivers, even if centering the ball. ::doh::
Both of my schools beat Colgate this year, so that's a pretty good year.
Kudos to Wang on his game. He is just fun to watch with both his running and passing. Very remindful of Gary Wood back in the day. Like Tillman at the running back position. He has that extra burst of speed to get to the holes the offensive line creates. All the same there is some cleaning up to do with the penalties and mistakes in the run game. The run plays seemed to take too long to develop at key times. Kennedy has an impressive leg-as good a kicker as Cornell has had in a while. It wasn't pretty. Love beating Colgate and take the win. Bring on the Cantabs!
Quote from: rss77Kudos to Wang on his game. He is just fun to watch with both his running and passing. Very remindful of Gary Wood back in the day.
In 1962, Gary Wood set the then Ivy League total offense record in a game against Penn with 387 yards, 207 rushing and 106 passing. Wood also returned punts and kickoffs, so I suppose that accounted for the additional 74 yards. Today, Wang had 98 net rushing and 284 passing yards, just shy of Wood's 387. BTW, Jeff Mathews holds the current Cornell record with 528 yards, also against Penn, and third best in Ivy League history. The game has certainly changed since the early 60's.
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Second half of this game was a lot of fun. Whiffing on the third and 8 sack was infuriating but tbh Colgate did the exact same thing on our next drive. Huge FG for the win and a defensive stand at the end when it counted. Extension?
Seems like we actually have a good quarterback. To have a bad team when you have a good player at by far the most important position to me means we are probably just totally undermanned skill wise at most of other positions on the field.
What is it going to take to have a decent football team?
More money than the admin is going to be willing to invest. Can't disagree w them. I'd rather spend it on mend hockey anyways.
With what we know about brain trauma, many believe football to now be a dying sport. Cornell was just 30 years ahead of the curve.
The Cornell placekicker was named National Special Teams Player of the Week and our QB was named Ivy Offensive Player of the Week.
Quote from: CU2007With what we know about brain trauma, many believe football to now be a dying sport. Cornell was just 30 years ahead of the curve.
For many years Cornell's football helmets had padding on the outer surface. Looked kind of goofy and have no idea if it helped: https://www.google.com/search?q=gary+wood+cornell+in+helmet&oq=gary+wood+cornell+in+helmet&aqs=chrome..69i57.16873j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=TEsAzqByXVawoM
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU2007With what we know about brain trauma, many believe football to now be a dying sport. Cornell was just 30 years ahead of the curve.
For many years Cornell's football helmets had padding on the outer surface. Looked kind of goofy and have no idea if it helped: https://www.google.com/search?q=gary+wood+cornell+in+helmet&oq=gary+wood+cornell+in+helmet&aqs=chrome..69i57.16873j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=TEsAzqByXVawoM
The helmets were pioneered by athletic trainer and Hall of Fame inductee Frank "Doc" Kavanaugh. (https://cornellbigred.com/honors/hall-of-fame/frank-j-doc-kavanagh/163) Perhaps, like the crumple zone on cars, the exterior padding absorbs some of the initial impact of a collision? Good question for eLynah engineers.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU2007With what we know about brain trauma, many believe football to now be a dying sport. Cornell was just 30 years ahead of the curve.
For many years Cornell's football helmets had padding on the outer surface. Looked kind of goofy and have no idea if it helped: https://www.google.com/search?q=gary+wood+cornell+in+helmet&oq=gary+wood+cornell+in+helmet&aqs=chrome..69i57.16873j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=TEsAzqByXVawoM
The helmets were pioneered by athletic trainer and Hall of Fame inductee Frank "Doc" Kavanaugh. (https://cornellbigred.com/honors/hall-of-fame/frank-j-doc-kavanagh/163) Perhaps, like the crumple zone on cars, the exterior padding absorbs some of the initial impact of a collision? Good question for eLynah engineers.
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Another Cavanaugh idea was circular cleats for football shoes: https://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/?a=d&d=CDS19501206-01.2.52
Things are looking up for the 2022 Big Red gridders after the 24-21 (sorry, Al) 34-31 win at Colgate. Cornell has already matched 2021's win total. Is .500 possible? Four and six? Lehigh, at Cornell in two weeks, is 1-4 and seems beatable. Take down two Ivy teams, that's a .500 season. Jameson Wang seems like the real deal at QB.
Can anybody be at least a little bit happy that Cornell has a winning team to date?
Doc Kavananagh was ancient (I thought) when I met him in the seventies, but when you're 20, even someone at 50 seems aged. (He was the Saint Lawrence trainer in the twenties, so that made him in his seventies in the '70s.) I'm not sure if he got into the Cornell Hall of Fame for his contributions to sports safety or for an endless collection of off-color jokes. Take your pick.
A couple times when we stayed in the same hotel as the team, Kavanagh asked me and WVBR's Mark Liff to find a tailor or cleaner who'd press his slacks so he'd look good at the game. Funny guy, lively companion on the bus.
Quote from: billhowardThings are looking up for the 2022 Big Red gridders after the 24-21 win at Colgate. Cornell has already matched 2021's win total. Is .500 possible? Four and six? Lehigh, at Cornell in two weeks, is 1-4 and seems beatable. Take down two Ivy teams, that's a .500 season. Jameson Wang seems like the real deal at QB.
Can anybody be at least a little bit happy that Cornell has a winning team to date?
Geez, Bill. Wins are rare enough that we should get the score right.::whistle::
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardThings are looking up for the 2022 Big Red gridders after the 24-21 win at Colgate. Cornell has already matched 2021's win total. Is .500 possible? Four and six? Lehigh, at Cornell in two weeks, is 1-4 and seems beatable. Take down two Ivy teams, that's a .500 season. Jameson Wang seems like the real deal at QB.
Can anybody be at least a little bit happy that Cornell has a winning team to date?
Geez, Bill. Wins are rare enough that we should get the score right.::whistle::
He gave it in Celsius.
Harvard plays Cornell Friday Oct. 7 at Schoellkopf Field, ESPNU, 7 pm. Temperature will be 50 degrees, some chance of rain.
Harvard is 2-1: beat a decent Merrimack 28-21 in OT, beat Brown 35-28, then its strongest game, lost to Holy Cross 30-21. Harvard and Dartmouth were tied atop the pre-season media poll; Cornell now 2-1 was picked for eighth and last place and is now 2-1.
Cornell PR's pre-game notes: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/10/4/football-know-your-foe-harvard.aspx
Cornell Daily Sun preview: https://cornellsun.com/2022/10/06/preview-football-hosts-harvard-on-friday-night/
The Sun's Aaron Snyder picks Harvard.
Quote from: Aaron Snyder, The Cornell Daily SunPrediction: Harvard 31 Cornell 17
I've fallen to 0-3 in my picks (I'll note that I'm 2-1 against the spread), but I'm feeling good about my chances of picking up my first win this week. There were a lot of positive takeaways from Cornell's wins over VMI and Colgate, but Harvard is the better team in this matchup. Cornell's recent success against Harvard at home gives me enough hesitation to think Cornell will keep this within two possessions.
A win would be an amazing accomplishment. True, Cornell has won the last two home games against Harvard, but that last win was 2018.
Quote from: billhowardHarvard plays Cornell Friday Oct. 3 at Schoellkopf Field, ESPNU, 7 pm. Temperature will be 50 degrees, some chance of rain.
Harvard is 1-1: beat a decent Merrimack 28-21 in OT, beat Brown 35-28, then its strongest game, lost to Holy Cross 30-21. Harvard and Dartmouth were tied atop the pre-season media poll; Cornell now 2-1 was picked for eighth and last place and is now 2-1.
Cornell PR's pre-game notes: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/10/4/football-know-your-foe-harvard.aspx
Cornell Daily Sun preview: https://cornellsun.com/2022/10/06/preview-football-hosts-harvard-on-friday-night/
The Sun's Aaron Snyder picks Harvard.
Quote from: Aaron Snyder, The Cornell Daily SunPrediction: Harvard 31 Cornell 17
I've fallen to 0-3 in my picks (I'll note that I'm 2-1 against the spread), but I'm feeling good about my chances of picking up my first win this week. There were a lot of positive takeaways from Cornell's wins over VMI and Colgate, but Harvard is the better team in this matchup. Cornell's recent success against Harvard at home gives me enough hesitation to think Cornell will keep this within two possessions.
A win would be an amazing accomplishment. True, Cornell has won the last two home games against Harvard, but that last win was 2018.
October 7. Tonight.
Harvard is 2-1 & a 10 & 1/2 pt favorite
Quote from: billhowardCornell now 2-1 was picked for eighth and last place and is now 2-1.
But what are they now?
For the purposes of that poll, they're 0-1.
Believe the team (including the coaching staff)
should be judged primarily by their Ivy record.
OMG: Cornell gets the game's first score, 12 minutes in, long drive after a short Harvard opening possession. Not much run, couple nice third-and-long passes, roughing call gave Cornell life inside the 10. #moralvictory
But need a real victory, too.
OMG Part Deux: Harvard stalls and settles for a field goal. C7-3. Cornell stalls, punts, high snap, blocked, Harvard returns for a TD. Cornell cannot win if it makes unforced major errors; be hard enough to win if Cornell makes zero errors. H10-7 midway into the second.
Second half, Harvard grinds away, mistakes by both sides, Harvard goes up 27-14, Cornell mounts a decent drive with several good catches offsetting some going-nowhere runs. Then a very good Cornell drive gets Cornell a score and PAT to cut it to 27-21 midway through the fourth.
Harvard score, then excellent Cornell drive to close the score to 35-28 with a minute to play, Cornell can't recover the onside kick. This was a quality loss.
Jameson Wang looked pretty beaten up. I wonder if he would have gone back in if Cornell recovered. If his ankle is marginal, maybe he should sit out the Lehigh game, which is winninable, but it's not an Ivy game where Cornell is now 0-2.
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Attendance somewhat less than the homecoming fireworks crowd, Cornell's previous fall event Friday night at Schoellkopf. Kind of sad. (This is Fall Break weekend.)
Can we please stop handing the ball to a guy starting nine yards behind the line of scrimmage? How about some option plays to free Jameson.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan we please stop handing the ball to a guy starting nine yards behind the line of scrimmage? How about some option plays to free Jameson.
Also, on third and nine, when the receiver turns and plants seven yards up from the line of scrimmage, odds are you won't get those last two yards. At least that's my perspective.
i'll be honest, i thought the 7-yard punt would be the worst punt of the day.
blocked, returned for 6. Harvard up 10-7 but with an excessive celebration penalty after the TD hopefully the field position is good.
99 just let that guy go by.
Why do we keep wasting downs by starting drives with runs?
3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out; brain dead play-calling.
the screen was a good call but poorly executed. our OL is outmatched and our punter is horrible. this is rough.
jfc wang looking at his receivers and literally asking them what the fuck they're doing
Quote from: ugartethe screen was a good call but poorly executed. our OL is outmatched and our punter is horrible. this is rough.
But then two runs? Against z line that's manhandling ours?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugartethe screen was a good call but poorly executed. our OL is outmatched and our punter is horrible. this is rough.
But then two runs? Against z line that's manhandling ours?
i agree! 1 good play call on that drive but the fact is that Wang is on an island. No help at all.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugartethe screen was a good call but poorly executed. our OL is outmatched and our punter is horrible. this is rough.
But then two runs? Against z line that's manhandling ours?
i agree! 1 good play call on that drive but the fact is that Wang is on an island. No help at all.
Right. Somehow they drove 89 yards on first possession. Receivers were open.
Harvard muffs a punt and Cornell falls on it in the red zone. Wang goes solo and runs it in. Cornell 14-13. Seriously: Wang for 4, Wang for 2, Wang for 6, TD.
Classic situation of Harvard's running game opening up receivers downfield. Conversely, Cornell can do nothing on the ground.
Great effort by Jameson Wang, but Cornell under head coach Dave Archer is now 15-43 in
the Ivies, & has lost 8 of its last 9 league games
Wang is so good. 7 point loss better than expected but yeesh.
I feel bad for Wang. He deserves better than Mr. Archer.
Quote from: billhowardOMG: Cornell gets the game's first score, 12 minutes in, long drive after a short Harvard opening possession. Not much run, couple nice third-and-long passes, roughing call gave Cornell life inside the 10. #moralvictory
But need a real victory, too.
OMG Part Deux: Harvard stalls and settles for a field goal. C7-3. Cornell stalls, punts, high snap, blocked, Harvard returns for a TD. Cornell cannot win if it makes unforced major errors; be hard enough to win if Cornell makes zero errors. H10-7 midway into the second.
Second half, Harvard grinds away, mistakes by both sides, Harvard goes up 27-14, Cornell mounts a decent drive with several good catches offsetting some going-nowhere runs. Then a very good Cornell drive gets Cornell a score and PAT to cut it to 27-21 midway through the fourth.
Harvard score, then excellent Cornell drive to close the score to 35-28 with a minute to play, Cornell can't recover the onside kick. This was a quality loss.
Jameson Wang looked pretty beaten up. I wonder if he would have gone back in if Cornell recovered. If his ankle is marginal, maybe he should sit out the Lehigh game, which is winninable, but it's not an Ivy game where Cornell is now 0-2.
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Attendance somewhat less than the homecoming fireworks crowd, Cornell's previous fall event Friday night at Schoellkopf. Kind of sad. (This is Fall Break weekend.)
Is there such a thing as a quality loss?
Don't think there is a moral victory or a quality loss. You are what your record says you are.
Quote from: blackwidowI feel bad for Wang. He does not deserves better than Mr. Archer.
The whole Cornell football program over the last ten years has deserved better.
Quote from: mike1960Is there such a thing as a quality loss?
Sure, why can't there be a quality loss, even without needing to invoke sarcasm font? Pearl Harbor was a quality loss because we lost no aircraft carriers.
Anybody who took Cornell and the 12.5 points offered by sportsbooks came out a winner. Cornell lost to the Ivy co-favorite (with Dartmouuth) by a touchdown and could have lost by twice as much. At no point in the second half except after not recvering the onside kick in the final minute was Cornell out-out-out of the game. Cornell capitalized on opponent mistakes. Cornell had half the penalties Harvard did. Cornell kept the game close despite getting 1.8 yards per rush (65 total). Jameson Wang is the real deal other then when your best rusher and passer is the same person, and then he has to stay healthy.
If we can continue to play at that level, Cornell will have better than the worst record in the league. Probably. We have the ability to take down Columbia, Penn and Brown. (Ivies, 3-4?) Cornell does not have a lot of depth at key positions (see, QB, above).
Quote from: blackwidowI feel bad for Wang. He does not deserves better than Mr. Archer.
We all wish Cornell did better the last decade. Jameson Wang did choose to play for Cornell and Archer.
The eLynah 360-Feedback Committee should all decide how good of a season must Cornell have to say, "Let's give the coach another year to see if there's an upward slope?" My should he stay or should he go performance criteria:
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[*] [b]5-5[/b] +3 wins in 2022 was a big improvement over 2021, looking forward to 2023
[*] [b]4-6[/b] +2 wins vs. 2021 is okay, ties Archer's best years (2017, 2019)
[*] [b]3-7[/b] +1 wins vs. 2021 is borderline (stay or go)
[*] [b]2-8[/b] We've already got the 2 wins parts, this means Cornell loses out, goes 0-7 Ivy, something an Archer team has never done (go)
[/list]If Cornell does go 3-7 or worse, the decision on retaining the football coach really hinges less on record, more on having a new athletic director on board. Andy Noel announced plans to retire in March, a search committee was supposed to begin work over the summer and if Cornell wants to hire the best coach possible it needs to start the process late November when the season is over.
Was impressed by Harvard's athletic ability last night. It seemed every time there was opening a Harvard player filled in the gap. Per the offensive line struggles I was told before the season that 3 projected starters for the offensive went down with season-ending injuries so the line is a bit jerry-built. It has lead to the struggles in pass protection where Wang is literally running for his life. Cornell defense on the two 3rd and Long situations had the Harvard receiver in double-coverage each time but credit the Harvard qb on his completions. Think Cornell has the potential to get a 5-5 record but Wang has to stay healthy to reach that mark
Fourth week for the Ivies: 4-0 against non-Ivy opponents. One in-conference upset, #4 (pre-season coaches poll) Yale by 3 over #1 (tie) Dartmouth, best effort in a loss Cornell 7-point loss to #1 (tie) Harvard. Every Ivy scored at least 21 points.
[b]Ivy League week 4 (Oct. 7-8 2022)[/b]
(T1) Harvard 35 (8) Cornell 28
(3) Princeton 23 Lafayette 2
(4) Yale 24 (T1) Dartmouth 21
(6) Penn 52 Georgetown 28
(5) Columbia 28 Wagner 7
(7) Brown 27 Central Connecticut St. 20
5-5 (2-5 Ivies) is not the same as 5-5 (4-3). A good season is having a winning Ivy record (not
beating Patriot & Southern Conference teams having down years.
Penn now 4-0 after a 58-28 win over Georgetown. Penn's offense has been vastly improved since former Ithaca College head coach Dan Swanstrom returned to Penn as their offensive coordinator. I still think he would be an ideal candidate to head the Cornell football program post Archer.
Quote from: billhowardWe all wish Cornell did better the last decade. Jameson Wang did choose to play for Cornell and Archer.
The eLynah 360-Feedback Committee should all decide how good of a season must Cornell have to say, "Let's give the coach another year to see if there's an upward slope?" My should he stay or should he go performance criteria:
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[*] [b]5-5[/b] +3 wins in 2022 was a big improvement over 2021, looking forward to 2023
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Suppose, however, that Cornell goes 2 and 5 in Ivy League play?
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Quote from: George64Suppose, however, that Cornell goes 2 and 5 in Ivy League play?
Could happen. That means finishing the Ivy schedule 2-3. Beating Princeton will be difficult. Ditto Dartmouth. Columbia and Brown seem most likely to help Cornnell to pick up the wins. Brown's Ivy loss was to Harvard, also 35-28. Penn, Columbia and Brown I believe have played 3 of the 4 first games against non-Ivies. Penn at 4-0 is impressive; the Ivy win was in OT vs. Dartmouth.
Cornell has strong programs in lacrosse, hockey, wrestling, & now soccer. Basketball has been
7-7 in the Ivies 2 of the last 3 years. Why do some accept being a doormat in football? In Archer's decade as head coach, Cornell is 15-43 in the Ivies. Should anyone be satisfied if Cornell improves a game or two from last year's 2-8 (1-6 Ivies) season?
Quote from: mike1960Is there such a thing as a quality loss?
"Why is divorce so expensive?"
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: George64Suppose, however, that Cornell goes 2 and 5 in Ivy League play?
Could happen. That means finishing the Ivy schedule 2-3. Beating Princeton will be difficult. Ditto Dartmouth. Columbia and Brown seem most likely to help Cornnell to pick up the wins. Brown's Ivy loss was to Harvard, also 35-28. Penn, Columbia and Brown I believe have played 3 of the 4 first games against non-Ivies. Penn at 4-0 is impressive; the Ivy win was in OT vs. Dartmouth.
Yes, it could happen, but at 5 and 5 with yet another losing season in the Ivies, do you think Archer would stay or go?
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Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardQuote from: George64Suppose, however, that Cornell goes 2 and 5 in Ivy League play?
Could happen. That means finishing the Ivy schedule 2-3. Beating Princeton will be difficult. Ditto Dartmouth. Columbia and Brown seem most likely to help Cornnell to pick up the wins. Brown's Ivy loss was to Harvard, also 35-28. Penn, Columbia and Brown I believe have played 3 of the 4 first games against non-Ivies. Penn at 4-0 is impressive; the Ivy win was in OT vs. Dartmouth.
Yes, it could happen, but at 5 and 5 with yet another losing season in the Ivies, do you think Archer would stay or go?
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You'd have to find someone willing to fire him.
Quote from: RichHYou'd have to find someone willing to fire him.
They should hire me! I'd fire Archer in a heartbeat. And then I'd promptly funnel all available funds to the hockey team. Bonus: no more Lynah Stasi.
They could buy me a sweet pad in Cayuga Heights and call me the CEO of Athletics.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: George64Quote from: billhowardQuote from: George64Suppose, however, that Cornell goes 2 and 5 in Ivy League play?
Could happen. That means finishing the Ivy schedule 2-3. Beating Princeton will be difficult. Ditto Dartmouth. Columbia and Brown seem most likely to help Cornnell to pick up the wins. Brown's Ivy loss was to Harvard, also 35-28. Penn, Columbia and Brown I believe have played 3 of the 4 first games against non-Ivies. Penn at 4-0 is impressive; the Ivy win was in OT vs. Dartmouth.
Yes, it could happen, but at 5 and 5 with yet another losing season in the Ivies, do you think Archer would stay or go?
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You'd have to find someone willing to fire him.
if they go 5-5 with a 3-4 ivy season he will get an extension
Watch 99 on the DL. Not very good there either in spite of his size.
[b]Cornell and Lehigh Football 2022
Date Cornell 2-2 Lehigh 1-5 as of Oct. 8 games[/b]
Sep 02 --- L Villanova 45-17
Sep 10 --- W Georgetown 21-19
Sep 17 W VMI 28-22 L Richmond 30-6
Sep 24 L Yale 38-14 L Princeton 29-17
Oct 01 W Colgate 34-31 L Monmouth 35-7
Oct 7-8 L Harvard 35-28 L Fordham 40-28
Oct 15 Lehigh Cornell
Cornell PR on the game: Football Eyes Perfect Non-Conference Season When Lehigh Visits Schoellkopf Field (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/10/12/football-lehigh-preview.aspx)
Cornell Daily Sun: TK
Never mind: Soccer is after football. Hmmm. Gwen and I are back on campus for the Red-White and Ottawa exhibition hockey games. But I'm wondering what to do Saturday afternoon:
1:00 Berman Field Soccer Penn 8-1-1 2-0-0 Ivy (Cornell 9-2, 2-0)
1:00 Schoellkopf Field Football Lehigh
Be nice if Cornell had an all-areas day pass, see a bit of both. Or: Be nice if Cornell simulcast soccer on the Schoellkopf Jumbotron. Just trying to think outside the box.[/s]
This is the big Cornell Trustee weekend on campus (TCAM, Trustee-Council [i.e. big macher] Annual Meeting. Give them something to cheer, forget it was Princeton (Ben Bernanke) that won a Nobel Prize this week.
Soccer game is at 4:00
Quote from: CASSoccer game is at 4:00
So we could move directly to Lynah Rink to get warmer.
Doing our best to give this one to Lehigh.Down 5 at the half.
Watched the first half of this Lehigh matchup. Both the "O" and "D" lines are poorly coached and out-schemed, as well as outsized. Cornell needs to get rid of this entire staff and start fresh. These players deserve better. The recruiting is just awful, and it has become self-fulfilling; no one wants to come to Cornell. They have terrible coaching and awful facilities. Embarrasing!
Seems to me the basic problem is you can't have a consistent offense when you have no running game other than a quarterback draw or scramble.
These refs are incompetent. Pass interference calls that aren't even close. I suppose we can't expect nfl quality officiating.
One of the strangest games that I have ever seen. Cornell's defense could not get off the field until their backs were against the wall with Lehigh punting only once (How many 3rd downs did Cornell give up-I lost count). Agreed that the officiating was inexcusable during the game with a number of calls going against Cornell (Roughing, pass interference, etc.). As Bill Parceells used to say: "You're as good as your last win".
bend but don't break!
Could be worse for Cornell halfway through, could be better. 3-2 is not bad compared to Cornell teams of the past decade, since no Cornell team has run the field against non-Ivy foes since 2007. On the league-only side, four teams are now 2-0 and four are 0-2. We have a decent chance to win 2 of 3 against Columbia, Brown and Dartmouth and, ah, an uphill push to defeat 5-0 Penn and Princeton.
We don't like that Penn now ends versus Princeton instead of versus Cornell. But the Nov. 19 finale, Penn at Princeton, could determine the Ivy championship. (Has there ever been a four-way title tie?) Cornell at Columbia will not and it's also annoying to Cornell fans that it's one week away from the even-year MSG game, fortunately not the BU game.
Cornell's 3 non-Ivy wins are over teams with a combined record of 3-16 this year.
Quote from: CASCornell's 3 non-Ivy wins are over teams with a combined record of 3-16 this year.
Not what one would say are quality out of conference opponents at least this season anyway.
Quote from: billhowardHas there ever been a four-way title tie?
Nope. 3-way ties in:
66 (6-1: Drt, Hvd, Prn)
69 (6-1: Drt, Prn, Yal)
82 (5-2: Drt, Hvd, Pen)
15 (6-1: Drt, Hvd, Pen)
My HS team finds the worst teams in the entire state of Ohio, goes 4-0 non-league, gets demolished in all 5 league games, then proudly claims they went 4-5. Cornell seems to have tried a similar approach this year.
Quote from: CU2007My HS team finds the worst teams in the entire state of Ohio, goes 4-0 non-league, gets demolished in all 5 league games, then proudly claims they went 4-5. Cornell seems to have tried a similar approach this year.
to be fair colgate and lehigh are pretty traditional opponents
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardHas there ever been a four-way title tie?
Nope. 3-way ties in:
66 (6-1: Drt, Hvd, Prn)
69 (6-1: Drt, Prn, Yal)
82 (5-2: Drt, Hvd, Pen)
15 (6-1: Drt, Hvd, Pen)
Princeton "prevented" a four-way in 1995 by kicking a last-second, 18-yard field goal to tie Dartmouth and "win" the title outright. We had a chance to win outright but had already "coughed up the ball" in Philadelphia.
Should've played for the tie, I guess.
I'm still angry.
IINM there could be a 7-way tie at 7 x 4-3 and 0-7.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardHas there ever been a four-way title tie?
Nope. 3-way ties in:
66 (6-1: Drt, Hvd, Prn)
69 (6-1: Drt, Prn, Yal)
82 (5-2: Drt, Hvd, Pen)
15 (6-1: Drt, Hvd, Pen)
Princeton "prevented" a four-way in 1995 by kicking a last-second, 18-yard field goal to tie Dartmouth and "win" the title outright. We had a chance to win outright but had already "coughed up the ball" in Philadelphia.
Should've played for the tie, I guess.
I'm still angry.
http://www.amurgsval.org/squishy/ivy.4.6.html
Cornell 10 Brown 0, second quarter. Good.
Wang hobbling. Very, very bad.
Beautiful 2-minute drill drive to make it 17-7 at the half. Holy shit, we looked competent.
Cornell stops the Bears inside our 10 on 4th down on opening drive of 2nd half.
More dreadful playcalling first two possessions in 2nd half, and Wang keeps throwing to weLl-covered receivers.
Can't execute a screen pass but keep calling it.
Brown stopping cold in the 2nd half the running back starting 8 yards behind scrimmage...but we keep calling it.
LOL what a finish.
Not saying there isn't plenty to complain about when it comes to the football program, but it's notable that it's total crickets in here when Cornell actually manages to win a game.
I can't believe nobody has actually described the wild end of the 24-21 Cornell win.
I turned on the game very late due to family stuff and at the time there was around 2:30 left in the 4th, Cornell led by 3 and we had 2d and 10 from near midfield. On second down we ran for 8. On third, we ran an absolutely awful looking run play (slow to develop, the RB was way out of sync with the line) and lost a yard. On 4th we tried a hard count but ultimately took the delay of game and punted to the 22.
Brown kept getting first downs. Part real plays, part busted plays where the QB escaped, part an absolutely abysmal DPI on a long sideline pass but it led to Brown getting first down at the 12 yard line with just under a minute to play. It looked like the Brown RB had run for a 12-yard score and the lead, diving for the pylon, but on replay he clearly stepped out of bounds at the 1. Good enough for the first down but no TD.
First down Brown direct snapped to the RB but the safeties crashed the line and hit him at the 4. Then Brown false started. 2d and goal from the 9 and the Brown QB didn't notice the blind side rush and he got creamed, fumbled, and Cornell recovered with just under 30 seconds left and Brown out of time outs to seal the W.
Quote from: BearLoverNot saying there isn't plenty to complain about when it comes to the football program, but it's notable that it's total crickets in here when Cornell actually manages to win a game.
i was thinking the same thing because i didn't realize there was a page 3 and you'd already said it before i typed out the summary of the end of the game. winning interferes with the anti-archer agenda.
The official who called the laughable PI penalty on our guy who had inside position and was looking at the ball should never be allowed to officiate another college football game. It would have been disgraceful if that play cost us.
Quote from: scoop85The official who called the laughable PI penalty on our guy who had inside position and was looking at the ball should never be allowed to officiate another college football game. It would have been disgraceful if that play cost us.
Didn't see any of the game today but there were absolutely terrible PI calls last week too.
Really, who expected the 2022 Cornell football team to be 4-2 with a reasonable chance to finish 5-5 maybe 6-4? Already David Archer has matched his best season, four wins (twice).
Cornell finishes with two likely losses against the Ivy unbeatens ...
@ Princeton 1 pm
Penn
... then two winnable games
Dartmouth
@ Columbia
Why not play Jameson Wang sparingly against Princeton and Penn so he's healthy for the two games where Cornell has a chance?
Note that when the Ivy League powers took away the season-ending Cornell-PrincetonPenn game and made it Cornell-Columbia (thus, in even years, a NYC football game the week before Cornell hockey at MSG, making it tough to get alumni/classes to decide which if any event they put tegether an event) ... plus, Princeton ending with Penn, this year a chance for the two unbeatens to play for the title.
[b]Cornell Football Under David Acher
Year Team Overall Ivy Standing [/b]
2013 Cornell 3–7 2–5 7th
2014 Cornell 1–9 1–6 7th
2015 Cornell 1–9 1–6 T–7th
2016 Cornell 4–6 2–5 T–6th
2017 Cornell 3–7 3–4 T–5th
2018 Cornell 3–7 2–5 7th
2019 Cornell 4–6 3–4 T–4th
2020 No team
2021 Cornell 2–8 1–6 T–6th
Ivy League Standings After 6 of 10 Games:
Quote from: billhowardNote that when the Ivy League powers took away the season-ending Cornell-Princeton game and made it Cornell-Columbia (thus, in even years, a NYC football game the week before Cornell hockey at MSG, making it tough to get alumni/classes to decide which if any event they put tegether an event) ...
BTW, Cornell traditionally ended the season with Penn, for a long time on Thanksgiving and more recently on Saturdays.
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I'm delighted Cornell is 4-2, but let's put this record in context. The three non-Ivy wins are over teams which are a collective 4-19. Brown's two wins this season are over Bryant & Central Connecticut State.
I believe it was the last year for Cornell QB Jeff Matthews, 2013, when Matthews threw for just under 500 yards in a 42-41 victory over Penn at Franklin Field. Good stuff. Next to last year for Penn now Columbia coach Al Bagnoli. The stadium holds 50,000, about 7,000 showed up.
Quote from: CASI'm delighted Cornell is 4-2, but let's put this record in context. The three non-Ivy wins are over teams which are a collective 4-19. Brown's two wins this season are over Bryant & Central Connecticut State.
There will be no asterisks when the season's scores go into Cornell's sports archives. It just says W. Hey, be happy for the team. Let's revisit this in two weeks when Cornell will be past the toughest part of the schedule and we're, ah, quite possibly 4-4.
Quote from: billhowardI believe it was the last year for Cornell QB Jeff Matthews, 2013, when Matthews threw for just under 500 yards in a 42-41 victory over Penn at Franklin Field. Good stuff. Next to last year for Penn now Columbia coach Al Bagnoli. The stadium holds 50,000, about 7,000 showed up.
I played on the freshman team in '78. We went to Philly to play Penn's frosh at Franklin Field - there were more players than spectators.
Would feel better about Cornell's chances of picking up 2 or 3 more wins if Eddy Tillman was healthy. By the looks of his injury Saturday he may be out for the season. Carruthers run hard but not as quick in getting to the line of scrimmage. Tillman's running was a key to the victory as Wang had trouble finding open receivers against Brown.
Can you determine the next letter in this progression:
[b]W L W L W W __[/b]
Cornell at Princeton Saturday (1 pm 10/29/22) will likely be Cornell's biggest challenge of 2022. Princeton is No. 9 in the current FCS Coaches Poll https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll (South Dakota State is No. 1, Holy Cross is No. 7, and, uh-oh, Cornell's season-closer Penn is in Others Receiving Votes).
Princeton's best player is senior receiver Andrei Iosivas, No. 9, on the 2022 Walter Payton Award Watch List (best offensive player). He has 40 catches for for 623 yards; Cornell has 867 receiving yards (team total). Princeton is 6-0, 15-1 since 2020 Covid shutdown. Cornell is 4-2 this year, 1-2 in the Ivies, 6-10 post-Covid.
It's also Homecoming for Princeton as well as Halloween weekend, which means lots of kids and students dressed up in orange and black. Weather is near-perfect: sunny, 60 degrees.
Pregame notes from Cornell: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/10/26/football-princeton-preview.aspx
One can only admire Cornell's marcom's upbeat attitude:
Has an Ivy ever been #1 in I-AA? How about those dominating Penn teams (86, 94, 03)?
Quote from: TrotskyHas an Ivy ever been #1 in I-AA? How about those dominating Penn teams (86, 94, 03)?
I-AA has been around since 1978, Ivies went I-AA in 1982. One of the I-A rules is attendance of 15,000 or more. Per game, the NCAA wanted.
I didn't see any indication of a No. 1 ranking. This 2018 SBNation story notes top 15 rankings:
Quote from: Bill ConnellyThe league has fielded at least one top-15 team in six of the last eight years, and the depth appears to be increasing quickly, too. That trend should only continue. Per HERO Sports, Princeton signed 2018's No. 1 FCS recruiting class, and three other Ivy schools (No. 2 Yale, No. 6 Harvard, No. 14 Columbia) ranked in the top 15. Harvard and Yale ranked in the top eight in each of the last two years, too.
-- "Why the Ivy League might finally be ready to compete in the playoffs," https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/7/17298832/ivy-league-fcs-playoffs
So as to keep eLynah free of obscene mutterings, do not read Reason No. 2 (Embracing Parity) for why the Ivies should be in the NCAA playoffs, do not read the David Archer comments (this in 2018). Spoiler alert: Take your hypertension meds before reading further, if you believe 2022's 4-2 record (before Penn, before Princeton) is an outlier.
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Quote from: Bill ConnellyOf course, the school [Cornell] probably knew it was investing in a long-term project [hiring Archer]. In a conference full of wily veterans, Cornell promoted Archer to the head job when he was just 34.
"Five years ago," he says, "I wasn't as good as I am now. Having the experience of playing relevant football in November for the first time was ... if you want to squat 500 pounds, you've gotta feel it on your back first."
Archer's recruiting hasn't caught the eye of analysts like that of other Ivies, but he's casting a wide net to find the right 30 guys per year to bring in.
"We're being Cornell," he says. "Let's be great finders. Let's use our resources to scour the country — all 15,000 high schools that play football — and this is the No. 1 college town in the country. 'Any person ... any study' — let's find people that resonates with. A blue-collar mentality, the guys who want to dig in and do something for the first time."
Surely, there's some Cornell undergraduate, somewhere, male or female, who can punt straight ahead more than 26 yards.
Three interceptions and a fumble killing an otherwise surprising effort against a 6-0 team. A shame.
Late edit: now 5 interceptions including the 2-point conversion fiasco.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSurely, there's some Cornell undergraduate, somewhere, male or female, who can punt straight ahead more than 26 yards.
The punting is an adventure, to put it kindly
Never seen a five-turnover Cornell team look so good. Offense moved the ball well, outgained Princeton handily in total yards. Junior tight end Manny Adebi blocked both a Princeton field goal attempt and a point after. For a short brief while in the first half, it felt as if Cornell had a chance at an upset.
Have also never seen a pick-two against my own team (2-point conversion picked off and run back 105 yards for 2 points). I can tick that off the bucket list.
It has now been about 52 times dating to 1891 that Princeton alumni at Palmer-now-Princeton Stadium have seen the Big Red Band and the Princeton Tiger, ah, scramble band at halftime and every year they say, "Cornell has a real band. Princeton has a band that runs around, lies on their backs and bicycle pumps their legs [that would be this year], you can't hear what the band announcer says which may be a good thing, and makes our band, and us, look stupid."
Princeton placekick attempt, Cornell March Band, Princeton band:
Week of 10/28-29/2022
Princeton 35, Cornell 9
Brown 34, Penn 31
Harvard 28, Dartmouth 13
Yale 41, Columbia 13
Princeton at 4-0 Ivy, 7-0 overall is alone at No. 1 in Ivy standings. Penn is no longer undefeated. What would have been the game for the Ivy title in the last weekend, Penn at Princeton, at best would lead to a Penn-Princeton tie. Actually, Penn, Harvard and Yale are all 3-1 so a three-way tie is possible.
One team at 4-0
Three at 3-1
Three including Cornell at 1-3
Columbia at 0-4.
Cornell has a chance to go 6-4 overall (beat Dartmouth, beat Columbia, lose Penn). It would be woofing to hope to also beat Penn this weekend (at Cornell) just because we beat Brown by 3 and Brown beat Penn by 3.
Cornell goes 6-4, you're going to fire a coach with the winningest record in 17 years? The previous 7-3 team was 20th century.
Quote from: billhowardWeek of 10/28-29/2022
Princeton 35, Cornell 9
Brown 34, Penn 31
Harvard 28, Dartmouth 13
Yale 41, Columbia 13
Princeton at 4-0 Ivy, 7-0 overall is alone at No. 1 in Ivy standings. Penn is no longer undefeated. What would have been the game for the Ivy title in the last weekend, Penn at Princeton, at best would lead to a Penn-Princeton tie. Actually, Penn, Harvard and Yale are all 3-1 so a three-way tie is possible.
One team at 4-0
Three at 3-1
Three including Cornell at 1-3
Columbia at 0-4.
Cornell has a chance to go 6-4 overall (beat Dartmouth, beat Columbia, lose Penn). It would be woofing to hope to also beat Penn this weekend (at Cornell) just because we beat Brown by 3 and Brown beat Penn by 3.
Cornell goes 6-4, you're going to fire a coach with the winningest record in 17 years? The previous 7-3 team was 20th century.
I doubt they would fire him either, however, Archer contributed 8 of those losing records in the past 17 years.
That placekick photo is brilliant composition, Bill. It's fucking gorgeous.
Another tough week Saturday against unbeaten Penn (unbeaten until last week against Brown), which plays Cornell at home Saturday at 1 pm. Odds are this evens Cornell's record at 4-4 with lesser lights Dartmouth (home) and Columbia (NYC) closing the season. Penn also needed OT to beat Dartmouth.
I thought Cornell played well against a superior oppenent last week at Princeton, other than those five turnovers. Thus the 35-9 final. Cornell can win one, maybe two of its final three. This Saturday is the less likely place for a victory.
Quote from: billhowardAnother tough week Saturday against unbeaten Penn (unbeaten until last week against Brown), which plays Cornell at home Saturday at 1 pm. Odds are this evens Cornell's record at 4-4 with lesser lights Dartmouth (home) and Columbia (NYC) closing the season. Penn also needed OT to beat Dartmouth.
I thought Cornell played well against a superior oppenent last week at Princeton, other than those five turnovers. Thus the 35-9 final. Cornell can win one, maybe two of its final three. This Saturday is the less likely place for a victory.
Yeah, and other than several turnovers and bonehead penalties, the Jets were a better team than the Patriots last weekend. Unfortunately, disciplined play is a mark of good coaching.
Cornell (and the Jets) lack disciplined play.
"Defense caught napping." Who woulda thought?
If there is a worse college football punter than Cornell's, please tell me.
Defense can't stop the run. Offense can't run. Other than that...
Quote from: Ken711If there is a worse college football punter than Cornell's, please tell me.
The overall punting game is abysmal. Impossible to believe it can be that bad at this level.
This is abysmal- the O line is just letting them through, and the D line is getting pushed back at least 5 yards. Penalties galore!! Who in their right mind would come to Cornell to play QB? This poor kid is going to be an invalid before he graduates. This entire staff needs to go!
WTF??? Are you kidding me?? That's the call?? OMG, an embarrassment. Terrible...
What is this punter doing? He runs to the side and waits before he punts, who is coaching him??
Just quit now! This football program has just sunk to unthinkable depths the past 8-10 years. We had such formidable teams with games that we were usually real competitive, even in a losing effort. I don't see that now. It seems as if the kids are not motivated and don't care. They are really overmatched, the recruiting is terrble;other than a few skill positions. Something needs to change!
First quarter and also third quarter (so-far), Cornell and Penn had 7 points each, plus Penn had 2 unanswered TDs in the second quarter. Down 28-14 with 2 minutes to play in third (and despite having a Cornell D interception nullified by an offsides), 28-14 may be too much to make up, but it's not an embarrassment.
The overall product, as I see it is not good! Outclassed by every Ivy team so far, even the Brown win was lucky!
A truly stupid playbook. Exacerbated by truly stupid playcalling.
Agreed! This is on the administration and the coaching staff. The admin has let this program slide, including the lack of facilities, hiring underwhelming coaches for short money and not allowing the football alumni to really put their stamp on the program. Basically, a disservice to the kids and their families!
Why are they calling these TO's now? None left!! Ineptitude at it's best!
Quote from: billhowardFirst quarter and also third quarter (so-far), Cornell and Penn had 7 points each, plus Penn had 2 unanswered TDs in the second quarter. Down 28-14 with 2 minutes to play in third (and despite having a Cornell D interception nullified by an offsides), 28-14 may be too much to make up, but it's not an embarrassment.
Would that this would be the lowest level of performance that the administration would tolerate.
A loss but a quality loss to once-beaten Penn. 28-21, Cornell's final TD coming with :04 to play.
Okay, we've lost to the zero-loss Princeton and one-loss Penn the last two weeks. Dartmouth and Columbia are attainable. We can finish anywhere from 6-4 to 4-6. Even 4-6 we've attained only once 2017-2022.
Maybe Cornell in the off-season can bring in some receivers and pass blockers to keep Jameson Wang out of the transfer portal. He's fun to watch.
Rest of the Ivies:
Princeton at home just got by Dartmouth, 17-14
Yale hammered Brown, 69-17. Unless that's a basketball score.
Columbia up on Harvard 21-20 with 10 minutes to play final.
Ivy standings with 2 games to play
Princeton 5-0
Penn 4-1
Yale 4-1
Harvard 3-2
Cornell 1-4
Dartmouth 1-4
Columbia 1-4
Brown 1-4
The top four play each other in the final two weeks. Ditto the bottom four. When the Ivy League rejiggered the schedule with an eye, they said, toward fewer long-travel final games (5 miles less for Cornell-Columbia vs. Cornell-Penn). But it does have the top four playing each other in the last four weeks, which is probably what the Ivy PTBs hoped for.
Cornell is 2-10 in the Ivies the last two seasons. Hard to be optimistic about these last 2 games. Archer has now clinched his ninth consecutive losing Ivy season
They need more than a few "blockers". Both lines are undersized, not strong enough and not talented enough to keep up with the other Ivy's except maybe Brown. Columbia has past them. The University needs to decide if they want to put more money to the program- fix up the stadium, get another opposite side of the field seating arrangement, hire a whole new coaching staff and recruit their butts off to convince some of the higher rated players to come to Cornell. Otherwise, it is a self fulfilling prophecy of more losing.
They have skill players, it's the rest of the team that's lacking. This QB is dynamite, but I could easily see him leaving for greener pastures.
Quote from: mikersThey need more than a few "blockers". Both lines are undersized, not strong enough and not talented enough to keep up with the other Ivy's except maybe Brown. Columbia has past them. The University needs to decide if they want to put more money to the program- fix up the stadium, get another opposite side of the field seating arrangement, hire a whole new coaching staff and recruit their butts off to convince some of the higher rated players to come to Cornell. Otherwise, it is a self fulfilling prophecy of more losing.
They have skill players, it's the rest of the team that's lacking. This QB is dynamite, but I could easily see him leaving for greener pastures.
What about forgetting about football and putting the savings into (both men's and women's) hockey, lacrosse, soccer, and wrestling?
I think they already have done that!
Don't think Wang is going anywhere as he has already transferred once. He was at the Air Force Academy preseason camp and walked away. Archer said at one of the sports luncheons last year that he is on a full ride at Cornell because he declared himself emancipated from his parents. Don't forget that Cornell was missing two out of three of their top running backs. I think we saw today what a difference good special teams play makes. The Penn punter got off some good boots and Cornell always seemed to be starting on their own twenty or twenty five after punts. Compare that to Cornell's struggles on punt blocks and one imagines that Dartmouth and Columbia will be gunning for the same the next two weekends. And one begs the questions-why so many offsides on defense this late in the season? This was a winnable game IMO.
Archer is now 16-45 (26% win percentage) in the Ivies as Cornell's head coach. Btw those 3 non-league wins this year are over teams who are a combined 5-22 this season.
Quote from: mikersThey need more than a few "blockers". Both lines are undersized, not strong enough and not talented enough to keep up with the other Ivy's except maybe Brown. Columbia has past them. The University needs to decide if they want to put more money to the program- fix up the stadium, get another opposite side of the field seating arrangement, hire a whole new coaching staff and recruit their butts off to convince some of the higher rated players to come to Cornell. Otherwise, it is a self fulfilling prophecy of more losing.
They have skill players, it's the rest of the team that's lacking. This QB is dynamite, but I could easily see him leaving for greener pastures.
I agree. When I'm able to see a replay of Cornell games, I often think: weight room. These guys need more beef to win at this game.
Great pictures above! I saw this on Instagram by Eldon Lindsey that's great too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CkmC28UO2Z5/
Quote from: mike1960Great pictures above! I saw this on Instagram by Eldon Lindsey that's great too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CkmC28UO2Z5/
I don't do instagram, so I hadn't seen Eldon Lindsey's work before. He's truly an outstanding sports photographer. Great photos of other Cornell athletes.
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Dartmouth at Cornell, Schoellkopf Field, Saturday 1 p.m. A winnable game, as is the finale at Columbia. Unlike the Princeton, Penn games of the past two weeks.
The bottom four – sorry, the four teams competing to finish fifth – all are 1-4. Cornell can finish as good as 6-4 overall and/but the best Ivy finish is 3-4.
Other Ivy games, all Saturday. The top four (Ivy standings) play each other, ditto the bottom four:
Princeton at Yale, noon
Columbia at Brown, noon
Harvard at Penn, 1 pm
Quote from: billhowardDartmouth at Cornell, Schoellkopf Field, Saturday 1 p.m. A winnable game, as is the finale at Columbia. Unlike the Princeton, Penn games of the past two weeks.
The bottom four – sorry, the four teams competing to finish fifth – all are 1-4. Cornell can finish as good as 6-4 overall and/but the best Ivy finish is 3-4.
Other Ivy games, all Saturday. The top four (Ivy standings) play each other, ditto the bottom four:
Princeton at Yale, noon
Columbia at Brown, noon
Harvard at Penn, 1 pm
So you're saying the best finish that Archer can attain in the Ivy League at this point is a losing record of 3-4 after a dozen years at the helm...lovely.
Not going to start a separate thread, but just noticed that the sprint football team went 1-6 this year and was shut out 4 times, including a 72-0 loss to Army. Penn is the only other Ivy that still plays sprint football. Outside of Cornell, Penn, Army and Navy, all the other schools that play sprint football look to be in Division II. (I know that the coach, Terry Cullen, has been part of the program since like the '60s and has been the head coach for 40+ years.)
Cornell has found somebody from the second echelon of the league it can more than hold its own against. In the first half. First quarter, no score, Cornell has possession 10 of the 15 minutes.
Early in the second, Cornell goes up 7-0, combination of Wang passing, Wang running and Cornell (non QB) running. Dartmouth then comes back, marches up the field (or down, whichever way it is toward Schoellkopf House) and in the red zone, Dartmouth scores on a halfback option pass when, ah, Cornell has no one defending in the end zone. But the PAT kick fails (Cornell is good at other teams flubbing place kicks.) Cornell 7-6.
Late in the second, Cornell gets the ball on its 30 and four plays (including a penalty for offsides) later Wang is sacked on the 5 and shaken up. Since Cornell controls the cameras, we never saw if he walked, was helped, or carried off the field. Punting from the end zone, Cornell punts the ball all the way to the 30. Our 30, or 31, alas. Then Cornell turned on the defense: safety Brody Kidwell stuffed the Dartmouth RB for minus-five, yada yada, and on fourth and sixth, the Dartmouth pass was batted down. It was Wang who came back out, ran one play, and the clock expired. Halftime: Cornell 7, Dartmouth 6.
Third quarter, there was punchless offense for a bit: gain of 2, offsides makes it first and 15, another penalty, bad play and it's like 25 yards from the first down, which means a punt would net maybe 10 yards from where the Red started. More lively late third period: Dartmouth scores, then Davon Kiser runs back the kickoff. Score: 13-12 Cornell.
Early fourth quarter, a decent Cornell drive stalls, Cornell FB (we're good at PATs, FGs) makes it 17-13. Teams swap midfield fumbles. Cornell misses a 45-yard field goal late, Dartmouth marches, Cornell bats down 2 passes back to back but Dartmouth gets a fourth-down first down, continues to the Cornell 8, final play caught by Dartmouth just outside then end zone.
Final Cornell 17, Dartmouth 13, Cornell has its first 5-win seasons Marinaro ran for -- sorry, since 2011. On to NYC and Columbia. Meanwhile, Princeton knocked off by Yale so there's a chance of a multi-way tie for first.
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Two hours after the game, no game story from Cornell. CornellBigRed-com landing page leads with polo (at least that's the first image in the slider three of four times I loaded the page). The football page shows Cornell holding on to beat Dartmouth ... in 2006 ... a Throwback Thursday story.
Not to be snippy, Cornell is not overstaffed in sports PR athletic communications. Still, Dartmouth (which was on the road, not at home) got its story posted by 5 pm, ditto Princeton which had crushing news to tell its faithful: the first loss by its top-25 football team. Cornell fans may be happier with what will be a 6-4 or 5-5 season than Princeton which may finish with one loss.
But we have better hockey teams.
Another sub-30 yard punt sets up Dartmouth for a possible late first-half score. Some awful play-calling on last two three-and-outs.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioAnother sub-30 yard punt sets up Dartmouth for a possible late first-half score. Some awful play-calling on last two three-and-outs.
but a really solid defensive drive (and Dartmouth not having a kicker they trust) results in a bat-down by the nose tackle on 4th and long and then Cornell let the clock run down on offense. Goes into the half up 7-6.
Around the league, we've got upset watches going on plus another 1-4 matchup
Yale is leading Princeton 17-14
Harvard is leading Penn 17-7
Columbia was up 21-0 on Brown but it's 21-14 now
Quote from: Al DeFlorioAnother sub-30 yard punt sets up Dartmouth for a possible late first-half score. Some awful play-calling on last two three-and-outs.
The awful play-calling might be Cornell not wanting to pass and wound up intercepted deep in Cornell territory. But maybe knowing the alternative is more suicidal -- ponting with your heels edged up against the end of the end zone -- maybe you do put the ball in the air.
Nice broken tackle by Carruthers on a screen to get a first down followed by a short gain, then two penalties to make it 2nd and 22. Get out of your own way! Then Wang barely looks for an open receiver and pulls it down for a 3 yard run and then another pass underneath but at least this punt won't come from under the goalpost and might even cross midfield... yes. wow. Down to the 29. Still 7-6 but someone has to get open more than 3 yards from the line of scrimmage.
Hearing St. Lawrence's grating hockey announcers last night, then hearing our guy Barry Leonard (actually, IC'80's) guy call Cornell football. His voice is like listening to smooth jazz when smooth jazz was cool even if Father Time has run out on that genre.
NYT story on Barry Leonard during Cornell's Sweet Sixteen run (should be a free link):
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/sports/ncaabasketball/19radio.html?unlocked_article_code=HtwZiZ48FKjPbYPgtg8YFdayCyL0TIhGvPJm4Hgqe_pMyU_DpOFiHQmd8qkn-LuoHnSD6fPuCuFWqyzG1Kz--LFxsgZbG90b1xdvfu3KKFZgyWsJYETM6PvlkNloPKRZD9PMiSGE7hoeX4ua3zCo3lgadq9HE7vGJKexTthPFsgvRYYFpIQmHL4oEfM97QXtg2VU3JEJ1RDk8f4pL0ImQMo4t234RWAwmpt0-UBEXM4ykGP59DC-s9qyBPCiMa9YoIOac7XP70qV7ZGXXHRKWArQJYHAvLM5GYj-vJpb2b2nipi4HetwIjt7R-PI0SQeh90DeU9CePOiBulXP5E8&smid=share-url
I'd love to get Barry to learn about wrestling and take over calling the home duals. The wrestling guy is brutal.
Cornell gives up a TD drive to fall behind 13-7 then returns the kickoff for a TD to take the lead back. Great return. Blocking was clean and frosh WR Kiser* streaked up the sideline for the score.
* ESPN says Lewis III because both have uniform #0
Yale up 24-20 with under 2 minutes left and just intercepted Princeton. Harvard rolling Penn. Columbia holding on 24-21 over Brown with ~5 minutes left.
Cornell forces a 3 and out. Gets a first down on their drive and has the ball at around midfield as Q3 ends with the good guys up 14-13.
Good Cornell drive stalls out in the red zone on a conservative 3rd and 3 call that went nowhere but gets a FG out of the drive. 17-13 with around 10 minutes left. Cornell then gets a 3 and out and NEARLY a pick on 3d down in Dartmouth territory.
Princeton goes down to Yale and both will go to the final weekend controlling their destiny for a share of the Ivy title. Columbia doesn't go for a FG up 24-21 from the 17 then gives up a 2-minute drill FG at the whistle to head to OT. Harvard up 20 at the end of Q3.
Immediate fumble by Cornell on the first play after the punt and Dartmouth has the ball at around midfield with 8:56 minutes to go.
Dartmouth QB takes off on 3d and 10, gets the first down but gets stripped on the tackle and Cornell takes it back! Awesome.
Cornell gets two first downs but runs an inexplicable sweep on second and long that went out of bounds after a short gain and then a run up the gut on third down that seemed designed only to force Dartmouth to call a time out. Probably going to punt after the break and hope to down it inside the 10... nope going for it ... YES! First down Big Red! 3 minutes left.
Columbia gets the OT TD and beats Brown 31-24. Harvard still beating Penn badly with time running out.
If Harvard and Penn win next week, 4-way Ivy title tie.
Cornell forces Dartmouth to call their last time out... Cornell going for a 45 yard FG... but wide right. Dartmouth takes over from the 35 with 1:29 left.
5 yard gain and Cornell does a great job to stop progress in bounds to keep the clock rolling... 2d down pass knocked down at the line, 1:02 left... 3d down pass knocked down again... for the game... 4th and 5... first down to the 46... 52 seconds left...
9 yard gain tackled in bounds... pass complete to the 35 out of bounds with 35 seconds left...
1st down incomplete 20 seconds left...
Complete to the 25, OOB 14 seconds left... Complete to the 10, spiked football. 4 seconds left... Cornell timeout.
Fade to the corner... too deep Dartmouth makes the catch but out of bounds.
CORNELL VICTORIOUS!
And if you read Trotsky's first post on the page you already knew.
Quote from: ugarteFade to the corner... too deep Dartmouth makes the catch but out of bounds.
CORNELL VICTORIOUS!
And if you read Trotsky's first post on the page you already knew.
Fortunately Dartmouth had a pretty inept offense.
Quote from: scoop85Fortunately Dartmouth had a pretty inept offense.
Ivy Leaguers prefer to say the league is competitive top to bottom.
Ivy Standings After 9 Games [Before THE GAME]
Yale 5-1
Princeton 5-1
Harvard 4-2
Penn 4-2
[b]Cornell 2-4[/b]
Columbia 2-4
Brown 1-5
Dartmouth 1-5
If: Harvard beats Yale (which has a W3 streak), Penn beats Princeton, HYP plus P all tie for first. Cornell beats Columbia, then Cornell will have to wordsmith a way to imply Cornell is second in the league.
Quote from: billhowardIvy Standings After 9 Games [Before THE GAME]
Yale 5-1
Princeton 5-1
Harvard 4-2
Penn 4-2
[b]Cornell 2-4[/b]
Columbia 2-4
Brown 1-5
Dartmouth 1-5
If: Harvard beats Yale (which has a W3 streak), Penn beats Princeton, HYP plus P all tie for first. Cornell beats Columbia, then Cornell will have to wordsmith a way to imply Cornell is second in the league.
Second best record in the league. Best record? 5-2. Second best? 3-4
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardIvy Standings After 9 Games [Before THE GAME]
Yale 5-1
Princeton 5-1
Harvard 4-2
Penn 4-2
[b]Cornell 2-4[/b]
Columbia 2-4
Brown 1-5
Dartmouth 1-5
If: Harvard beats Yale (which has a W3 streak), Penn beats Princeton, HYP plus P all tie for first. Cornell beats Columbia, then Cornell will have to wordsmith a way to imply Cornell is second in the league.
Second best record in the league. Best record? 5-2. Second best? 3-4
finishing immediately behind the league winners
Running Back Carruthers threw a devastating block to spring him. The end zone view of the run looked to me like the guy he smashed took out a second Dartmouth pursuer. Carruthers had a great game, even with the fumble.
Not sure if this means they'll be wearing alternate helmets this week?
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClBe7UOODVO/?igshid=YTY2NzY3YTc=
Kind of exciting, Cornell football with the first chance to have a winning record in almost two decades. At Columbia, Saturday 1pm. Parade afterward (Sy Katz '31 Parade), lots of fun.
Both teams are 2-4 in Ivy play, 5-4 overall. Winner finishes fifth. Cornell does that, they may be almost as happy as Princeton finishing 9-1.
Princeton, Yale, Penn, Harvard could all finish 5-2 in Penn beats Princeton, Harvard beats Yale.
Last time:
6-4 record -- 2005, Jim Knowles (second season)
5-5 record -- 2011, Kent Austin
4-6 record -- 2019, 2016, David Archer
Cornell pregame story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/11/16/football-columbia-preview.aspx
Ivy standings before final game:
who else is going to be there tomorrow (cold but apparently sunny)
Columbia TD on 1st drive, with a 53 pass completion a big part of it. Cornell's defense looks asleep this game.
Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardQuote from: George64Suppose, however, that Cornell goes 2 and 5 in Ivy League play?
Could happen. That means finishing the Ivy schedule 2-3. Beating Princeton will be difficult. Ditto Dartmouth. Columbia and Brown seem most likely to help Cornnell to pick up the wins. Brown's Ivy loss was to Harvard, also 35-28. Penn, Columbia and Brown I believe have played 3 of the 4 first games against non-Ivies. Penn at 4-0 is impressive; the Ivy win was in OT vs. Dartmouth.
Yes, it could happen, but at 5 and 5 with yet another losing season in the Ivies, do you think Archer would stay or go?
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Well, we're about to find out. Of course, we again defied the preseason media poll and finished tied for sixth place, not last.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardQuote from: George64Suppose, however, that Cornell goes 2 and 5 in Ivy League play?
Could happen. That means finishing the Ivy schedule 2-3. Beating Princeton will be difficult. Ditto Dartmouth. Columbia and Brown seem most likely to help Cornnell to pick up the wins. Brown's Ivy loss was to Harvard, also 35-28. Penn, Columbia and Brown I believe have played 3 of the 4 first games against non-Ivies. Penn at 4-0 is impressive; the Ivy win was in OT vs. Dartmouth.
Yes, it could happen, but at 5 and 5 with yet another losing season in the Ivies, do you think Archer would stay or go?
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Well, we're about to find out. Of course, we again defied the preseason media poll and finished tied for sixth place, not last.
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More importantly I think the athletic department has to figure out whether Bill Howard jinxed them or perhaps they should blame ugarte.
Fire Archer! 10 years is a largest sample size to see a change is required, his 17-45 Ivy League conference record says it all.
Columbia clobbers Cornell 45-22. It was as good as 14-7 at the half, as bad as 35-7 a minute into the fourth quarter. Cornell ends 5-5 (best for the David Archer era), only 2-5 in the Ivies, good for sixth place. Better than expected. But still not good.
Yale won its last four games including The Game (19-14) and what could have been a four-way tie of Yale, Princeton, Penn, Harvard at 5-2 ends with Yale No. 1 at 6-1, then Penn (20-19 over Princeton aftering being down 19-7 entering Q4) and Penn at 5-2.
Cornell was predicted to finish 8th and finished in a tie for sixth. That's better than expected for 2022 but not much of a record for David Archer's 10 years at the helm: 26-64.
Archer will get another year, I believe:
* It's his best year
* It's an improvement on the previous season's 2-8
* There's nobody to take (or demand) a resignation, or start a search. Outgoing athletic director Andy Noel is in the process of winding down his Cornell tenure and he's not going to saddle the successor with a coach not of her choosing.
* Archer got Cornell to .500 and after a decade, what's one more year (with Jameson Wang as QB) to improve.
Yale has to be happy about winning the Ivies, no shared titled. Princeton has to be upset about being unbeaten until game 9, then losing narrowly to Yale 24-20 and Penn 20-19. Columbia has to be minorly happy about being 3-4 and finishing 6-4.
FYI the pre-season media poll had it:
1. Harvard (tie)
1. Dartmouth (tie)
3. Princeton
4. Yale
5. Columbia
6. Penn
7. Brown
8. Cornell
to fire the coach you need the school to care about the record.
Quote from: Ken711Fire Archer! 10 years is a largest sample size to see a change is required, his 17-45 Ivy League conference record says it all.
You improved his Ivy record — he's in fact 17-46.
Quote from: billhowardCornell was predicted to finish 8th and finished in a tie for sixth. That's better than expected for 2022 but not much of a record for David Archer's 10 years at the helm: 26-64.
Archer will get another year, I believe:
* It's his best year
* It's an improvement on the previous season's 2-8
* There's nobody to take (or demand) a resignation, or start a search. Outgoing athletic director Andy Noel is in the process of winding down his Cornell tenure and he's not going to saddle the successor with a coach not of her choosing.
* Archer got Cornell to .500 and after a decade, what's one more year (with Jameson Wang as QB) to improve.
Yale has to be happy about winning the Ivies, no shared titled. Princeton has to be upset about being unbeaten until game 9, then losing narrowly to Yale 24-20 and Penn 20-19. Columbia has to be minorly happy about being 3-4 and finishing 6-4.
IMHO Bullet point 3 is the key one. The new AD will get to pick the new coach.
And Dartmouth fans have to be ticked at this season.
Cornell's three non-league wins were over teams that were a combined 6-27 this season.
Quote from: CASCornell's three non-league wins were over teams that were a combined 6-27 this season.
And the two Ivy League wins were over teams with a 3-11 Ivy League record. :-D
Quote from: billhowardArcher will get another year, I believe:
* There's nobody to take (or demand) a resignation, or start a search. Outgoing athletic director Andy Noel is in the process of winding down his Cornell tenure and he's not going to saddle the successor with a coach not of her choosing.
According to the press release, "Noel will serve in the position through the end of the 2021-22 academic year and into the 2022-23 academic year until a successor is named." A national search will commence in late summer." Summer is over, so the search committee should be well on its way to finding Noel's successor. I'm certain that the future direction of football must a top priority for the committee and that leading candidates will have given it some thought. I'd hope he/she will be in place in early Spring . . .
Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardArcher will get another year, I believe:
* There's nobody to take (or demand) a resignation, or start a search. Outgoing athletic director Andy Noel is in the process of winding down his Cornell tenure and he's not going to saddle the successor with a coach not of her choosing.
According to the press release, "Noel will serve in the position through the end of the 2021-22 academic year and into the 2022-23 academic year until a successor is named." A national search will commence in late summer." Summer is over, so the search committee should be well on its way to finding Noel's successor. I'm certain that the future direction of football must a top priority for the committee and that leading candidates will have given it some thought. I'd hope he/she will be in place in early Spring . . .
It's highly doubtful Archer will better his record next season, so the new AD will be searching for a new football HC as his/her first major hire.
Two of the five teams Cornell beat, Lehigh and VMI, are replacing their head coaches.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardArcher will get another year, I believe:
* There's nobody to take (or demand) a resignation, or start a search. Outgoing athletic director Andy Noel is in the process of winding down his Cornell tenure and he's not going to saddle the successor with a coach not of her choosing.
According to the press release, "Noel will serve in the position through the end of the 2021-22 academic year and into the 2022-23 academic year until a successor is named." A national search will commence in late summer." Summer is over, so the search committee should be well on its way to finding Noel's successor. I'm certain that the future direction of football must a top priority for the committee and that leading candidates will have given it some thought. I'd hope he/she will be in place in early Spring . . .
It's highly doubtful Archer will better his record next season, so the new AD will be searching for a new football HC as his/her first major hire.
If you go 5-5 as Cornell coach you probably have earned a one year contract to be fair. That's like finishing .500 in the ECAC for Brown hockey.
Cornell football finished 2-5 in the Ivies. Going 3-0 against non-Ivy teams who were a combined 6-27 doesn't negate another dismal Ivy season. Why do some accept being a doormat in football? Look
at the turnaround of Cornell soccer. As a 14th seed, Cornell is into the 3rd round of the NCAA tourney. 205 teams play D-1 soccer. Don't know why, with the right coach & support, Cornell shouldn't be competitive in Ivy football.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardArcher will get another year, I believe:
* There's nobody to take (or demand) a resignation, or start a search. Outgoing athletic director Andy Noel is in the process of winding down his Cornell tenure and he's not going to saddle the successor with a coach not of her choosing.
According to the press release, "Noel will serve in the position through the end of the 2021-22 academic year and into the 2022-23 academic year until a successor is named." A national search will commence in late summer." Summer is over, so the search committee should be well on its way to finding Noel's successor. I'm certain that the future direction of football must a top priority for the committee and that leading candidates will have given it some thought. I'd hope he/she will be in place in early Spring . . .
It's highly doubtful Archer will better his record next season, so the new AD will be searching for a new football HC as his/her first major hire.
If you go 5-5 as Cornell coach you probably have earned a one year contract to be fair. That's like finishing .500 in the ECAC for Brown hockey.
Saying Cornell football is a .500 team is this year's version of everybody last year saying the hockey team was 9-0-1 after winning 4 games at home in OT vs bad teams (which counts as less than half of a win in the PWR).
It's striking (to me, anyway) that Andy's weekend summary covers everything EXCEPT football. It is included, way down near the bottom of the SID's list.
i would not oppose a coaching change i just don't really care that much or think it will make that much difference, just as the last few changes did not. i don't think it's a particuarly coveted job.
Quote from: TimVIt's striking (to me, anyway) that Andy's weekend summary covers everything EXCEPT football. It is included, way down near the bottom of the SID's list.
I look forward to the next AD at least acknowledging there is a problem with the football program.
Quote from: ugartei would not oppose a coaching change i just don't really care that much or think it will make that much difference, just as the last few changes did not. i don't think it's a particuarly coveted job.
I honestly don't really care if the football team goes 3-7 or whatever every single year because the Ivy title doesn't mean a whole lo me, and the absolute best-case scenario is that the Ivies decide to participate in the FCS playoffs and then get crushed by a Big Sky team. Meh.
Quote from: WederI honestly don't really care if the football team goes 3-7 or whatever every single year because the Ivy title doesn't mean a whole lo me, and the absolute best-case scenario is that the Ivies decide to participate in the FCS playoffs and then get crushed by a Big Sky team. Meh.
Back when lived in Syracuse in the late '70s, I went to nearly every home game. Even when I lived near Cleveland, I made it to about one game per year. Now I live in Rochester, only about 90 minutes away, and I don't even think about going to a game. I'm not looking for an Ivy title, but on a beautiful fall day, I'd like to drive down to Ithaca and, at least, think that we'd have a reasonable chance of winning. That's all I'm asking for.
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Some seem to believe having a competitive football program would detract from hockey. I don't understand this thinking. Don't believe getting blown out on Homecoming or losing by 3 TDs at Columbia helps Cornell in any way.
Hard to argue that. Ivy football generally has been a stepping stone for NESCAC type or other D3 coaches trying to move up. Al Bagnoli who resurrected Penn and Columbia previously at Union.
Is Bill Lazor currently employed?
Syracuse in football (ACC) is now losing against higher-level competition and its 6-5 record differs from Cornell's in having played 11 not 10 games. As with Rutgers (Big Ten). I believe they do get more fans, 45,213 while being blown out by Florida State a week ago.
Find a young coach who has won at the DII level. That's always a good formula. Look at the guy at Kansas, for example.
Quote from: mike1960Find a young coach who has won at the DII level. That's always a good formula. Look at the guy at Kansas, for example.
Get a person from a low-level UK soccer league who speaks in folksy cliches. Make a documentary about it.
Cornell places 12 on the All-Ivy football team. All second-team or (including Jameson Wang) HM.
Cornell story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/11/22/football-puts-12-on-all-ivy-league-team.aspx
Quote from: Cornell PRThe 12 Big Red All-Ivy members matches 2005 as the most in a season since 1995 (14). Cornell had six chosen to the second team and six more earned honorable mention accolades.
Ivy League story: https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/11/22/ivy-league-announces-football-all-ivy-rookie-of-the-year-coach-of-the-year.aspx
Princeton has 11 players on the first or second teams, Penn and Yale had 10 each, Harvard had 8.
Player of the year (Bushnell Cup) is announced Dec. 12, with finalists announced Nov. 29.
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Joshua Pitsenberger, Yale (Fr., RB – Bethesda, Md.)
COACH OF THE YEAR
Tony Reno, Yale
FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY^Notes: *Unanimous Selection
^ Team Expanded Due to Tie in Voting
OFFENSE
Mason Williams, Harvard (Sr., OL – Murfreesboro, Tenn.)
Trevor Radosevich, Penn (Sr., OL – Englishtown, N.J.)
*Henry Byrd, Princeton (Sr., OL – Nashville, Tenn.)
*Nick Gargiulo, Yale (Sr., OL – Yorktown Heights, N.Y.)
*Kiran Amegadjie, Yale (Jr., OL – Hinsdale, Ill.)
Nolan Grooms, Yale (Jr., QB – Lake Wylie, S.C.)
*Aidan Borguet, Harvard (Sr., RB – Franklinville, N.J.)
Trey Flowers, Penn (Sr., RB – Miami, Fla.)
Joshua Pitsenberger, Yale (Fr., RB – Bethesda, Md.)
Bryson Canty, Columbia (So., WR – Pfafftown, N.C.)
*Andrei Iosivas, Princeton (Sr., WR – Honolulu, Hawaii)
Dylan Classi, Princeton (Sr., WR – Englewood Cliffs, N.J.)
Tyler Neville, Harvard (Jr., TE – Williamsburg, Va.)
DEFENSE
*Truman Jones, Harvard (Sr., DL – Atlanta, Ga.)
Thor Griffith, Harvard (Jr., DL – Portsmouth, N.H.)
Jake Heimlicher, Penn (Sr., DL – Aurora, Colo.)
Matthew Jester, Princeton (Sr., DL – Spring, Texas)
*Scott Valentas, Columbia (Sr., LB – Wichita, Kan.)
Jack McGowan, Harvard (Sr., LB – Canton, Mass.)
Garrett Morris, Penn (Sr., LB – Auburn, Ala.)
*Liam Johnson, Princeton (Jr., LB – Moorestown, N.J.)
Kendren Smith, Penn (Sr., DB – Charlotte, N.C.)
Michael Ruttlen Jr., Princeton (Sr., DB – Mount Juliet, Tenn.)
*Wande Owens, Yale (Jr., DB – Cooksville, Md.)
CJ Wall, Princeton (Sr., DB – Plano, Texas)
SPECIAL TEAMS
Alex Felkins, Columbia (Sr., K – Tulsa, Okla.)
Jack Bosman, Yale (Jr., K – San Diego, Calif.)
Ben Krimm, Penn (Sr., P – Columbus, Ohio)
Julien Stokes, Penn (So., RS – Newbury Park, Calif.)
SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY ^OFFENSE
Donovan Allen, Brown (Sr., OL – Douglasville, Ga.)
Will Hamilton, Columbia (Sr., OL – Suwanee, Ga.)
Joe Kelly, Cornell (Sr., OL – Leawood, Kan.)
Jake Rizy, Harvard (Jr., OL – Westport, Conn.)
Ben Hoitink, Penn (Sr., OL – Hartford, Wis.)
Jalen Travis, Princeton (Jr., OL – Minneapolis, Minn.)
Blake Stenstrom, Princeton (Jr., QB – Highlands Ranch, Colo.)
Allen Smith, Brown (Sr., RB – Westerville, Ohio)
Joey Giorgi, Columbia (Jr., RB – Grafton, Wis.)
Wes Rockett, Brown (Sr., WR – Marblehead, Mass.)
Thomas Glover, Cornell (Sr., WR – Pasadena, Calif.)
Kym Wimberly, Harvard (Sr., WR – Slidell, La.)
Rory Starkey, Penn (Sr., WR – Atlanta, Ga.)
Carson Bobo, Princeton (Sr., TE – Birmingham, Ala.)
Jackson Hawes, Yale (Jr., TE – Salt Lake City, Utah)
DEFENSE
Justin Townsend, Columbia (So., DL – Randolph, N.J.)
Shane Cokes, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Dayton, Ohio)
Reid Nickerson, Yale (Sr., DL – Friendswood, Texas)
Clay Patterson, Yale (Jr., DL – Frisco, Texas)
Jake Stebbins, Cornell (Sr., LB – Cranberry Township, Pa.)
Joe Heffernan, Dartmouth (5th, LB – Brookfield, Wis.)
Ozzie Nicholas, Princeton (Jr., LB – Encinitas, Calif.)
Hamilton Moore, Yale (Jr., LB – Raleigh, N.C.)
Josh Ofilli, Brown (Sr., DB – Katy, Texas)
Paul Lewis III, Cornell (Sr., DB – Middle River, Md.)
Quinten Arello, Dartmouth (Sr., DB – Kansas City, Mo.)
Jaden Key, Penn (Sr., DB – Neptune, N.J.)
SPECIAL TEAMS
Jackson Kennedy, Cornell (Jr., K – Aldie, Va.)
William Hughes, Columbia (Jr., P – Fairfax, Va.)
Davon Kiser, Cornell (Fr., RS – Lauderdale Lakes, Fla.)
HONORABLE MENTION ALL-IVYOFFENSE
Hunter Folsom, Brown (Sr., OL – Ocala, Fla.)
Stew Newblatt, Columbia (Sr., OL – Clarkston, Mich.)
Micah Sahakian, Cornell (Jr., OL – Mount Prospect, Ill.)
Nicholas Schwitzgebel, Dartmouth (Jr., OL – Cleveland, Ohio)
Austin Gentle, Harvard (So., OL – Chattanooga, Tenn.)
Scott Elliott, Harvard (Sr., OL – Holliston, Mass.)
Connor Scaglione, Princeton (Sr., OL – Closter, N.J.)
Jonathan Mendoza, Yale (Jr., OL – Westhampton Beach, N.Y.)
Cubby Schuller, Yale (Sr., OL – Bedminster, N.J.)
Jameson Wang, Cornell (So., QB – El Segundo, Calif.)
Aidan Sayin, Penn (So., QB – Carlsbad, Calif.)
Ryan Butler, Princeton (Fr., RB – Plainfield, N.J.)
Tre Peterson, Yale (Jr., RB – Columbus, Ga.)
JJ Jenkins, Columbia (Sr., WR – San Clemente, Calif.)
Mason Tipton, Yale (Jr., WR – Akron, Ohio)
Ryan Lindley, Yale (Jr., WR – Austin, Texas)
Matt Robbert, Cornell (Jr., TE – Centereach, N.Y.)
Jace Henry, Dartmouth (Jr., TE – Fairbanks, Alaska)
DEFENSE
Max Lundeen, Cornell (5th, DL – East Grand Rapids, Mich.)
Nate Leskovec, Harvard (Sr., DL – Solon, Ohio)
Joey Slackman, Penn (Jr., DL – Commack, N.Y.)
Micah Morris, Penn (Sr., DL – Pittsburgh, Pa.)
Uche Ndukwe, Princeton (Sr., DL – Dedham, Mass.)
Alvin Gulley, Yale (So., DL – Belleville, Ill.)
Adam Raine, Yale (Sr., DL – Basingstoke, England)
Connor Henderson, Cornell (Jr., LB – Matthews, N.C.)
Jake Brown, Harvard (Sr., LB – Fredon, N.J.)
Jonathan Melvin, Penn (Sr., LB – Hampton, Va.)
Jack Fairman, Penn (Jr., LB – Bloomfield Hills, Mich.)
Joseph Vaughn, Yale (Sr., LB – San Jose, Calif.)
Isaiah Reed, Brown (So., DB – Tampa, Fla.)
Cooper DeVeau, Brown (Sr., DB – Foxboro, Mass.)
Fara'ad McCombs, Columbia (Sr., DB – Passaic, N.J.)
Seth Parker, Columbia (Jr., DB – Hoover, Ala.)
Demetrius Harris, Cornell (5th, DB – Muskegon, Mich.)
Alex Washington, Harvard (Sr., DB – Hoover, Ala.)
Khalil Dawsey, Harvard (Sr., DB – Detroit, Mich.)
Shiloh Means, Penn (Jr., DB – Indianapolis, Ind.)
Kyle Ellis, Yale (Sr., DB – Cumming, Ga.)
SPECIAL TEAMS
Will Powers, Princeton (Sr., P – Manhattan Beach, Calif.)
Sebastien Tasko, Harvard (So., P – Ridgewood, N.J.)
AJ Barber, Princeton (So., RS – Old Greenwich, Conn.)
Jack Bill, Harvard (Sr., RS – Huntington, N.Y.)
Also, there's an Academic All-Ivy Team, which seems kind of, you know, they're all in the Ivy League already. If Player of the Year gets the Bushnell Cup, maybe this should be the Einstein Award.
Quote from: Ivy League PRAdditionally, one Ivy League student-athlete from each institution was recognized for their commitment in the classroom and on the field as members of the 2022 Ivy League Football Academic All-Ivy team. Brown senior Lucas Ferraro, Columbia senior Mitch Moyer, Cornell senior Jake Stebbins, Dartmouth junior Macklin Ayers, Harvard senior Truman Jones, Penn senior Jake Heimlicher, Princeton senior Cole Aubrey and Yale senior Oso Ifesinachukwu were each named to the team.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: mike1960Find a young coach who has won at the DII level. That's always a good formula. Look at the guy at Kansas, for example.
Get a person from a low-level UK soccer league who speaks in folksy cliches. Make a documentary about it.
He's here, he's there, he's every fucking where, James Wang!
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: mike1960Find a young coach who has won at the DII level. That's always a good formula. Look at the guy at Kansas, for example.
Get a person from a low-level UK soccer league who speaks in folksy cliches. Make a documentary about it.
How 'bout this...get Ryan Reynolds. He's from a lower level UK football team, and while he doesn't speak in folksy cliches, he is entertaining when he talks. Plus having Blake Lively in the stands would be worth the price of admission.
Going into the season I thought going 5-5 was about the best case scenario. They did although the finish against Columbia was disappointing. The team is in better shape than it was a few years ago but noticed that especially against Harvard and Yale in terms of on field talent we are still behind. Their guys appeared to be a step quicker and more athletic. Doesn't matter who is coaching at Cornell given the structure of the League and resources of the other schools recruiting to Cornell is a challenge. My suggestion would be Archer or whoever is coaching in future is to look at the transfer portal. Cornell has a long history of taking transfers from other 4 year and 2 year schools.
Ken Niumatalolo got fired by Navy after losing to Army 2 years in a row, but at one point had about 7 victories in a row, and a winning overall record at Navy, with all its recruiting disadvantages, against tough opponents. A great coach and a great man on many levels. Love to see him in Ithaca.
Quote from: TimVKen Niumatalolo got fired by Navy after losing to Army 2 years in a row, but at one point had about 7 victories in a row, and a winning overall record at Navy, with all its recruiting disadvantages, against tough opponents. A great coach and a great man on many levels. Love to see him in Ithaca.
As for him coming to Ithaca, really! Yes, I know his head coaching record at Navy was 109 and 83, but after going 11-2 in 2019, he's had
three losing seasons in a row! And Navy has only won its conference championship three times in the last eight years! If that's not bad enough, his post-season bowl record is 6 and 5, just barely over .500. Certainly, Cornell expects more from its head football coach.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: TimVKen Niumatalolo got fired by Navy after losing to Army 2 years in a row, but at one point had about 7 victories in a row, and a winning overall record at Navy, with all its recruiting disadvantages, against tough opponents. A great coach and a great man on many levels. Love to see him in Ithaca.
As for him coming to Ithaca, really! Yes, I know his head coaching record at Navy was 109 and 83, but after going 11-2 in 2019, he's had three losing seasons in a row! And Navy has only won its conference championship three times in the last eight years! If that's not bad enough, his post-season bowl record is 6 and 5, just barely over .500. Certainly, Cornell expects more from its head football coach.
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But Navy is in Division One and Cornell isn't in contention for a bid to the Poison Ivy Bowl in Lake Placid. (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g48023-d3993215-Reviews-Bowlwinkles-Lake_Placid_New_York.html) I'm fine with considering anyone who currently has no connection to Cornell football.
Quote from: George64Quote from: TimVKen Niumatalolo got fired by Navy after losing to Army 2 years in a row, but at one point had about 7 victories in a row, and a winning overall record at Navy, with all its recruiting disadvantages, against tough opponents. A great coach and a great man on many levels. Love to see him in Ithaca.
As for him coming to Ithaca, really! Yes, I know his head coaching record at Navy was 109 and 83, but after going 11-2 in 2019, he's had three losing seasons in a row! And Navy has only won its conference championship three times in the last eight years! If that's not bad enough, his post-season bowl record is 6 and 5, just barely over .500. Certainly, Cornell expects more from its head football coach.
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My sarcasm meter just shorted out.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Quote from: TimVKen Niumatalolo got fired by Navy after losing to Army 2 years in a row, but at one point had about 7 victories in a row, and a winning overall record at Navy, with all its recruiting disadvantages, against tough opponents. A great coach and a great man on many levels. Love to see him in Ithaca.
As for him coming to Ithaca, really! Yes, I know his head coaching record at Navy was 109 and 83, but after going 11-2 in 2019, he's had three losing seasons in a row! And Navy has only won its conference championship three times in the last eight years! If that's not bad enough, his post-season bowl record is 6 and 5, just barely over .500. Certainly, Cornell expects more from its head football coach.
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My sarcasm meter just shorted out.
Did you purchase the extended warranty?
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Quote from: TimVKen Niumatalolo got fired by Navy after losing to Army 2 years in a row, but at one point had about 7 victories in a row, and a winning overall record at Navy, with all its recruiting disadvantages, against tough opponents. A great coach and a great man on many levels. Love to see him in Ithaca.
As for him coming to Ithaca, really! Yes, I know his head coaching record at Navy was 109 and 83, but after going 11-2 in 2019, he's had three losing seasons in a row! And Navy has only won its conference championship three times in the last eight years! If that's not bad enough, his post-season bowl record is 6 and 5, just barely over .500. Certainly, Cornell expects more from its head football coach.
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My sarcasm meter just shorted out.
Did you purchase the extended warranty?
I'm the one in need of a trip to have my check engine light diagnosed.
Don't know why there is so much complaining around here after Cornell set a school record this year: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmNOGbsOjxf/?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=
Quote from: Chris '03Don't know why there is so much complaining around here after Cornell set a school record this year: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmNOGbsOjxf/?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=
Honestly, there are a few glimmers of hope when one looks back over the play-by-play of the season. But we need to (1) clean up special teams, (2) reduce stalled drives in our end of the field, and, most importantly, (3) find a secondary. I would also love to reduce some of the mystifying play calling, but I know that won't happen unless Archer leaves.
TOP is great and all, but you need to convert, and your defense needs to stop giving up easy points on long bombs.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Chris '03Don't know why there is so much complaining around here after Cornell set a school record this year: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmNOGbsOjxf/?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=
Honestly, there are a few glimmers of hope when one looks back over the play-by-play of the season. But we need to (1) clean up special teams...
By which I mean, we used to have ("back in my day") the best punter in the league, year in year out. This year? Too many blocks, and not long enough anyway.
I become more and more convinced over time that punters should be second only to quarterbacks in recruiting.
Quote from: Chris '03Don't know why there is so much complaining around here after Cornell set a school record this year: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmNOGbsOjxf/?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=
Seen another way: The opposition only needed 24 minutes per game to outscore Cornell 28 points per game to our 22 ppg. They got a lot of long scoring plays whereas we made it most of the way toward the red zone or end zone ... and then could go no further.
In WW II, Germany's time of possession was way longer than the Allies', certainly on the Western Front, 4 years to 1. But we had the fast break offense.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Chris '03Don't know why there is so much complaining around here after Cornell set a school record this year: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmNOGbsOjxf/?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=
Seen another way: The opposition only needed 24 minutes per game to outscore Cornell 28 points per game to our 22 ppg. They got a lot of long scoring plays whereas we made it most of the way toward the red zone or end zone ... and then could go no further.
In WW II, Germany's time of possession was way longer than the Allies', certainly on the Western Front, 4 years to 1. But we had the fast break offense.
Against a team beaten to shit by the Russians.
Agree with the comments on Special Teams. As for the secondary there are a couple of comments to add-Despite criticism of Archer et al I have some praise for Jared Backus who has been the Defensive Coordinator the past few years. I think he gets maximum production out of the talent Cornell has on defense. That said however as they say it comes down to Jimmies and the Joes and not the X and Os. On pass plays Backus had the defense blitzing constantly because the front four by itself could not generate pass pressure. Even with the blitzing Cornell many times could not get pressure on the opposing team qb. Blitzing is a gamble as it leaves your secondary in one on one matchups with opposing team receivers. Coupled with overall lack of team speed in the secondary that is why Cornell was burned on long pass plays throughout the season.
Quote from: rss77Agree with the comments on Special Teams. As for the secondary there are a couple of comments to add-Despite criticism of Archer et al I have some praise for Jared Backus who has been the Defensive Coordinator the past few years. I think he gets maximum production out of the talent Cornell has on defense. That said however as they say it comes down to Jimmies and the Joes and not the X and Os. On pass plays Backus had the defense blitzing constantly because the front four by itself could not generate pass pressure. Even with the blitzing Cornell many times could not get pressure on the opposing team qb. Blitzing is a gamble as it leaves your secondary in one on one matchups with opposing team receivers. Coupled with overall lack of team speed in the secondary that is why Cornell was burned on long pass plays throughout the season.
Guess my analysis was a bit off then, since it sounds like our corners are being hung out to dry and doing a reasonable job!
Just like on offense, everything starts at the line. For my part, I'd love to see us build a cold-weather, grind-it-out type of team. Bring back fullbacks and double tight ends! On D, a great front four helps stop the run, and pressure on the QB heals a lot of ills.
Guess it all comes down to what type of defensive player we can recruit and how you build a defense around that type. We have always seemed to be able to recruit good offensive linemen; time to put some emphasis on the D.
Lehigh today named Yale's OC as their new head football coach.
Quote from: CASLehigh today named Yale's OC as their new head football coach.
And now Cornell fans wait with bated breath to see if Kevin Cahill (Springfield '01 '04) could have become the Ivy's (read: Cornell's) next Al Bagnoli. Bagnoli went 86-19 as Union HC in the 1980s, was snapped up by Penn in 1991-92, went 148-90 and 9 Ivy titles through 2014. In hindsight, with Cornell HC openings after the 1989 and 1990 seasons, we had the chances at the time when Bagnoli could have come available.
https://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-spt-lehigh-hires-new-football-coach-20221219-6eyb2bvbjrhcbihblntaeppfba-story.html
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CASLehigh today named Yale's OC as their new head football coach.
And now Cornell fans wait with bated breath to see if Kevin Cahill (Springfield '01 '04) could have become the Ivy's (read: Cornell's) next Al Bagnoli. Bagnoli went 86-19 as Union HC in the 1980s, was snapped up by Penn in 1991-92, went 148-90 and 9 Ivy titles through 2014. In hindsight, with Cornell HC openings after the 1989 and 1990 seasons, we had the chances at the time when Bagnoli could have come available.
https://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-spt-lehigh-hires-new-football-coach-20221219-6eyb2bvbjrhcbihblntaeppfba-story.html
Cornell's next HC, if a change is made after next season, should look at current U. of Pennsylvania's OC and former Ithaca College HC Dan Swanstrom as the new Cornell HC.
Nice piece about Jameson Wang this morning on Spectrum News 1. Unusual, in that Rochester media rarely mention Cornell athletics.