Hey Bill Howard, I think it's time to start the new thread!
[b]2023 Cornell Lacrosse Schedule[/b]
Saturday unless noted
Feb 11 Colgate noon (2022 high: 48)
Feb 18 @ Albany (2022 high: 23)
Feb 25 Lehigh noon (2022 high: 32)
Feb 28 Tue @ Hobart 5 pm (2022 high: 23)
Mar 04 @ Ohio State
Mar 11 Penn State noon
Mar 18 @ Yale
Mar 25 Penn noon
Apr 01 Dartmouth noon
Apr 08 @ Harvard
Apr 11 Tue Marquette (what, no Syracuse?)
Apr 15 @ Army
Apr 22 @ Brown
Apr 29 Princeton 3 pm
May 5,7 Ivy Tournament TBD location
After April 1 – read: as the weather finally gets decent – only two home games: Marquette and Princeton.
Curious to know if it was Cornell or Syracuse that pulled the plug on their game and will there be some nicety about how it was difficult to find a workable midweek date.
Army on the schedule is good. No Binghamton but they haven't been competitive. Two Big Ten schools. No southern schools.
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Thanks for starting. (I was waiting for the excitement to die down over UConn vs Cornell at MSG.) Always nice to put the 2023 schedule in that first post, then a link to the pre-season polls, pre-season All-Americas, yada yada. Stuff readers would like to see w/o scrolling. I think you know the trick for monospaced fonts that let the schedule line up easily type the word code inside brackets to start and /code inside brackets to end that block.
It never hurts to change the subject line to "Cornell lacrosse 2023 - Hobart 2/13" for ease of scrolling down and finding something. Yeah, I'm a Type-A, just no heart attack, yet.
I know if mine had a subject line, "Team of Destiny Part Deux," (tho not in caps), I'd be accused of woofing.
Quote from: billhowardThanks for starting. (I was waiting for the excitement to die down over UConn vs Cornell at MSG.) Always nice to put the 2023 schedule in that first post, then a link to the pre-season polls, pre-season All-Americas, yada yada. Stuff readers would like to see w/o scrolling. I think you know the trick for monospaced fonts that let the schedule line up easily type the word code inside brackets to start and /code inside brackets to end that block.
It never hurts to change the subject line to "Cornell lacrosse 2023 - Hobart 2/13" for ease of scrolling down and finding something. Yeah, I'm a Type-A, just no heart attack, yet.
I know if mine had a subject line, "Team of Destiny Part Deux," (tho not in caps), I'd be accused of woofing.
I think given:
* the quality of the incoming class(es)
* the quality of the players returning (including Adler, Ierlan, etc.)
* the tremendous coaching by the Buczek/Stevens tag-team
* the showing against Maryland
A lot of us are silently thinking, "Team of Destiny (sooner rather than later)"
I'm sorry, Bill. I meant to add that post to the old thread so you would be the thread creator, as is the tradition.
But yes I think we can already start talking about how good this team can be with a great group returning and lots of experience in playoff lacrosse.
We've had so many good coaches who moved Cornell a couple rungs up the ladder then found greener pastures elsewhere. Conner Buczek could be the Mike Schafer of Cornell Lacrosse we've been hoping for since, ah, just about forever, since only Ben DeLuca '98 was also a Cornell alum.
Let's see how good the entering class is. A lot of first-years aren't quite as good as their HS stats. But: Did anybody expect Kirst to punch in 55 goals his first season?
https://twitter.com/TheKyleDevitte/status/1539341821280673792?s=20&t=iPb7H8Q-XtXTxcg4QRwP6g
Ben Abladian was NEC rookie of the year as a frosh & scored 42 goals as a soph.
Quote from: mike1960https://twitter.com/TheKyleDevitte/status/1539341821280673792?s=20&t=iPb7H8Q-XtXTxcg4QRwP6g
Abladian (https://www.bryantbulldogs.com/sports/mlax/2020-21/bios/abladian_ben_3lym) sounds like the real deal. LGR
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Bryant, ex-Duke, lacrosse coach Mike Pressler retired this spring. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/bryant-s-pressler-announces-retirement-after-16-season-brodersen-named-interim-coach/59825
Pressler was at Bryant 16 years (time flies), in 2014 got Bryant to the NCAA quarterfinals. Note from Bryan PR: Bryant named "associate head coach Casey Brodersen the interim head coach and a national search for the next head coach who will build on Coach Pressler's success and take Bulldog Lacrosse to the next level will begin immediately. Brodersen completed his 12th season as a member of Pressler's staff in 2022. He has spent the last eight years as the associate head coach." Not quite the rapid career trajectory of former Cornell interim coach Buczek.
Not Cornell lacrosse 2023, but some Jeff Teat action.
https://twitter.com/Inside_Lacrosse/status/1547045002592882690?s=20&t=2NcLNOnCl6RIPdEWhUFR_w
so they have no faceoffs in this thing after goals.. more like bball just get it and go..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXiayuqoz3k
Quote from: Ken711https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXiayuqoz3k
I see commit Matt Tully '27 is wearing a chest protector. Did lax players wear them when the late George Boiardi '04 was playing? For those too young to remember, Boiardi was hit in the chest by a ball at the wrong instant, causing a fatal heart arrhythmia.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: Ken711https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXiayuqoz3k
I see commit Matt Tully '27 is wearing a chest protector. Did lax players wear them when the late George Boiardi '04 was playing? For those too young to remember, Boiardi was hit in the chest by a ball at the wrong instant, causing a fatal heart arrhythmia.
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When I played club lacrosse during the early 70s, I never heard of such things, except for goalies. We routinely wore arm protectors and gloves, but not chest protectors. I believe the advent of synthetic heads on lacrosse sticks made shots & passes much faster, and therefore somewhat lethal (as in the tragic case of GB21). So, I would not be surprised if chest protectors have become more common.
But shoulder pads were also very uncommon, and now I notice many players wearing them. And I'm shocked at how few players wear arm protectors these days.
My kids played high school lacrosse from about 1996-2005 and only the goalies wore chest protectors. I am pretty sure most guys wore shoulder pads but they were dinky compared to those used in hockey.
Good rule change. It was unfair that a defensive player could shove an offensive player in the back and into the crease to negate a goal scoring opportunity.
https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/men/ncaa-announces-change-to-dive-plays-around-crease-in-mens-lacrosse
In men's lacrosse, a goal scored while the offensive player is propelled into the crease/goal mouth due to illegal contact by the defender will count, starting with the 2023 season.
The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel approved the new rule during a conference call Wednesday.
More about the storied Kirst family (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cole-and-cj-kirst-propel-team-usa-over-australia-moves-to-4-0-in-limerick/60135).
Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.
Cornell Recruiting Class (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/8/17/mens-lacrosse-buczek-names-14-to-2023-recruiting-class.aspx)
Quote from: Ken711Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.
Lax recruit Eddie Rayhill is the brother of Jimmy, listed on the hockey roster.
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CJ Kirst with 5 goals named MVP in US gold- medal win in U-21 tourney.
Quote from: CASCJ Kirst with 5 goals named MVP in US gold- medal win in U-21 tourney.
CJ added to the team after putting up seven against USA coach Nick Myers's Ohio State team in the NCAAs.
According to InsideLacrosse.com Maryland and CU rematch this fall
Rematch with Maryland should be interesting. Almost through reading We Showed Baltimore. Just yesterday, I read about our rematch with Johns Hopkins at Homewood Field following our 1977 championship win over the Blue Jays.
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Quote from: Ken711Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.
Cornell Recruiting Class (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/8/17/mens-lacrosse-buczek-names-14-to-2023-recruiting-class.aspx)
Incoming Cornell players all sound fantastic. But: None are in the Inside Lacrosse top 10 (Harvard is the only Ivy, with Adam Blind, #6, goalie.)
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711Buczek Names 14 to 2023 Recruiting Class.
Cornell Recruiting Class (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/8/17/mens-lacrosse-buczek-names-14-to-2023-recruiting-class.aspx)
Incoming Cornell players all sound fantastic. But: None are in the Inside Lacrosse top 10 (Harvard is the only Ivy, with Adam Blind, #6, goalie.)
Too bad he's not their hockey goalie - the Lynah Faithful would have lots of fun with that name
These are the IL Cornell-recruit rankings HS Class of '22 (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/college/team/Cornell/33/2022) combined with Cornell's notes on its 14 incoming players. Five stars is the highest. Cornell's lone five-star is a FOGO. If you only have one, best when it's a faceoff guy or goalkeeper. Unless your name is Teat or Pannell.
[Rating per Inside Lacrosse:] FIVE STARS
[Cornell info:] Jack Cascadden – FO/Midfield – 6-3 – 220
Garden City, N.Y. (Garden City School)
Prior to Cornell
• As captain, led his team to a state championship title in 2022.
• Was named a USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-sport athlete in lacrosse and football.
• Throp Award Winner for most outstanding football player in Nassau County.
[Separate IL note: "Cascadden's coming out party took place during a dominant campaign at the Juniors Open, though he didn't stop there. With a 6-3 frame and strong stick skills, he's also capable of playing offense or defense, which is no surprise given his athleticism and football prowess."]
[Cascadden is not listed as a football recruit on Cornell's Class of 2026 list (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx) ]
FOUR STARS
Brendan Staub – LSM/Defense – 6-1 – 210
Garden City, N.Y. (Garden City HS)
Prior to Cornell
• As captain, led his team to a state championship in 2022.
• Named a two-time USA Lacrosse All-American and All-Academic.
• Named Best Player in Nassau County by Nassau County Lacrosse Coaches Association.
• 2022 James C. Metzger MVP Lacrosse awardee.
Joseph "JK" Kelly – Defense – 5-10 – 185
Lutherville, Md. (Calvert Hall College HS)
Prior to Cornell
• Senior year captain for Calvert Hall.
• Two-sport athlete in lacrosse and football.
• Played with the club team Fellowship of Christian Athletes (FCA) Lacrosse.
• Son of Frank Kelly '86, who was a lacrosse and football player during his years with the Big Red.
Charlie Box – Midfield – 5-8 – 170
Broomall, Pa. (Marple Newtown High School)
Prior to Cornell
• First All-Delco player for Marple Newtown HS since 2003.
• As a 2022 captain, led his team to its first-ever state championship.
• USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-time USA Lacrosse All-Academic team.
Brady Auker – LSM/Defense – 5-10 – 170
Larchmont, N.Y. (Mamaroneck HS)
Prior to Cornell
• Two-time USA Lacrosse All-American.
• 2022 winner of the USA Lacrosse Bob Scott Award.
• Led the 2022 team as captain and was named the team defensive MVP.
• 2019 New York state semifinalist.
THREE STARS
Ethan Ruller – Goalie – 5-11 – 172
Webster, N.Y. (Webster Thomas HS)
Prior to Cornell
• 2021 USA Lacrosse All-American.
• 2021 All-Greater Rochester Player of the Year.
• Served as team captain in 2019 and 2021.
• Led 2021 team to a Section V Class B Championship.
• Played at Westminster Prep for the 2021-22 season.
Bowie Horsman – Attack – 6-3 – 165
Brampton, Ontario (The Hill Academy)
Prior to Cornell
• Served as the 2022 senior captain for The Hill Academy.
• 2022 Pride Award recipient at The Hill.
• Served as assistant captain for the Brampton Excelsiors Junior A squad in 2022.
• Notched 19 goals and 36 assists in his senior season.
Edward Rayhill – Defense – 6-0 – 190
New Hartford, N.Y. (The Frederick Gunn School)
Prior to Cornell
• 2022 USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-time captain.
• Led 2022 team to the conference championship.
• Played club lacrosse with Orange Crush.
• Three-time underclass UnderArmour All-American.
Matthew Dooley – Defense – 6-4 – 200
Sudbury, Mass. (Salisbury School)
Prior to Cornell
• USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Named an EMCLA first team All-American.
• Served as captain in his senior year.
• Two-time Metrowest Daily News all-star
Brian Jackman
(Midfielder from St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Secondary School. On IL list of 3-star commits to Cornell. Not on Cornell list of fall 2022 incoming players. Anybody have info?)
OTHER INCOMING CORNELL FALL 2022 PLAYERS. Not on IL 3-, 4-, or 5-star lists.
Ben Abladian – Attack – 5-9 – 185
Londonderry, N.H. (Bishop Guertin HS/Bryant University)
Prior to Cornell
• Transfer from Bryant University.
• 2021 NEC Rookie of the Year.
• Scored 42 goals and notched five assists across 15 games in 2022.
• Two-time underclass UnderArmour All-American at Bishop Guertin HS.
• USA Lacrosse All-American.
Brian Luzzi – Attack – 5-11 – 175
Bethpage, N.Y. (Bethpage HS)
Prior to Cornell
• 2022 USA Lacrosse All-American.
• 2021 USA Lacrosse All-America honorable mention.
• Two-time all-county.
• Was named all-state in 2021
Griffin McGovern – Midfield – 5-10 – 180
Wilmington, Del. (Salesianum School)
Prior to Cornell
• Twice named to the first team all-state roster.
• Two-time state champions at Salesianum School.
• Served as captain in his senior season.
• DIAA Student Athlete awardee.
Matthew Perfetto – Attack – 5-10 – 180
Manhasset, N.Y. (Manhasset High School)
Prior to Cornell
• Served as captain in 2022 and led his team to the New York state championship.
• Named All-County in 2021 and 2022.
• Two-time USA Lacrosse All-Academic.
• Named one of Newsday's Top 100 players.
• LILJ 2022 Paumonak Award finalist.
Take the rankings with grains of salt. The previous IL player ranking (2021 HS graduation year) had A Danny Caddigan as Cornell's top-rated recruit (4 stars), rated #61 among all rookies and at attack for Cornell in 2022 scored 3 goals, 0 assists. The year before, A CJ Kirst was the ninth-highest rated player and in his first season (2022) had 55-24--79 points.
Schools ranked by recruit quality
Inside Lacrosse ranks Virginia #1, Maryland #2, Princeton #7, Cornell #9 in the top ten.
2022 Inside Lacrosse [HS Class of] 2022 rankings (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/college/league/Men%27s+Division+I/1/2022) of individual players:
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Rank Team 5-star 4-star 3-star StarsTtl Avg Rating[/b]
1 Virginia 4 4 1 39 4.33
2 Maryland 3 7 1 46 4.18
3 Georgetown 2 5 1 33 4.13
4 Syracuse 4 7 3 57 4.07
5 Duke 1 7 1 36 4.00
6 North Carolina 3 4 3 40 4.00
7 Princeton 1 4 1 24 4.00
8 Notre Dame 1 8 2 43 3.91
9 Cornell 1 7 2 39 3.90
10 Harvard 2 5 3 39 3.90
11 Penn 0 7 1 31 3.88
12 Johns Hopkins 0 5 1 23 3.83
13 Ohio State 0 8 2 38 3.80
14 Michigan 0 7 2 34 3.78
15 Yale 1 4 3 30 3.75
16 Villanova 0 7 3 37 3.70
17 Loyola 0 6 3 33 3.67
18 Penn State 1 2 3 22 3.67
19 Navy 0 7 4 40 3.64
The IL Top Incoming Players (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/rankinglist/6) that I see only go to 10 not 100 as in previous years. They are:
1 Joey Spallina, M, Syracuse
2 Dominic Pietramala, A, NC (yes, son of ex Cornell-Hopkins coach)
3 Joey Terenzi, M, Virginia
4 Truit Sunderland, A, Virgina
5 Will Schaller, LSM, Maryland (poached from the Hill School, once our turf)
6 AJ Larking, D Maryland
7 Adam Blind, G, Harvard <-- Harvard, goaltender, name of Blind, insert own joke here
8 Charlie Johnson, D, Duke
9 Brock Berman, A, Notre Dame
10 Mac Eldridge, FO, Virginia
Hilarious that 1-4-1 Princeton is ranked higher than 1-7-2 Cornell because it has a higher star "average." Using that logic, 1-0-0 would be better still.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioHilarious that 1-4-1 Princeton is ranked higher than 1-7-2 Cornell because it has a higher star "average." Using that logic, 1-0-0 would be better still.
Math and statistics look good when you're staring through a telescope at the cosmos. Imagine taking Carl Sagan's class while stoned.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioHilarious that 1-4-1 Princeton is ranked higher than 1-7-2 Cornell because it has a higher star "average." Using that logic, 1-0-0 would be better still.
Math and statistics look good when you're staring through a telescope at the cosmos. Imagine taking Carl Sagan's class while stoned.[/qauote]
Didn't everyone? I thought it was a prereq...::nut::
I don't believe Rob Pannell was even ranked by IL so I take all of the above with a grain of salt. And it is important to remember that lax is a team game. Ten people on the field who are willing and able to support each other is likely to guarantee success more often than having ten selfish AA's on the field.
Quote from: dag14I don't believe Rob Pannell was even ranked by IL so I take all of the above with a grain of salt. And it is important to remember that lax is a team game. Ten people on the field who are willing and able to support each other is likely to guarantee success more often than having ten selfish AA's on the field.
You're thinking thinking perhaps of Virginia's Bratton twins from Long Island, subject of a 2007 NY Times magazine article, The Boy Wonders of Lacrosse (https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/othersports/03lax.html)? Suposedly capable of playing at a whole different level of athleticism. One was suspended multiple times then kicked off, the other suspended. They did not mesh with the team, it was reported multiple times, and they were also Black, so that may not have made it so easy to mesh with the team and vice versa.
A WaPost blog story on their suspension was written by We Showed Baltimore author Christian Swezey: Shamel Bratton dismissed from Virginia men's lacrosse team; team votes to suspend Rhamel Bratton indefinitely (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cavaliers-journal/post/virginia-lacrosse-players-vote-to-suspend-bratton-brothers-after-numerous-violations/2011/04/29/AF0UaxEF_blog.html). Swezey gets around.
The Rob Pannell story was he was a good but not head-turning HS player (not seen as at the Jeff Teat level and maybe not at the CJ Kirst level (#9 ranked by IL as a senior)). His goal was Quinnipiac. (Hey, Mike French's plan post HS was to work in a GM factory.) He took a prep year, caught fire, and Cornell lured him away from Bobcat-land.
I know the Pannell back story well: I was his faculty advisor at Cornell....
I remember serving on a panel during Trustee Council weekend with Dave Petramala in his first or second season in which we discussed the challenges of recruiting in the Ivy League. I didn't know him well at that time but I was particularly impressed with his candor as he noted that Cornell might not be the best fit for high school lacrosse stars because a lot [not all] of those guys are often looking for the so-called elite program so that they could continue to see themselves as better than everyone else. There are DI coaches who can successfully work with those players but that has never been the culture at Cornell. If you are a star, to be welcomed at Cornell you also have to be the guy that will do all he can to support his teammates, not just excel at a position.
Pannell comes to mind as a great example. After his PPL Redwood's team won an important game this summer, in large measure because of his 5 or 6 assists, Rob said in the postgame interview that he thrives on setting the other guys up. Jeff Teat is much the same. If he has an open lane, he heads for the goal. If he doesn't, he finds a guy who does.
Think about who wins the Hardhat Award after each game: it is often the guy with the most takeaways or groundballs, not the guy with the most points.
Thanks for the trip down Recent-Memory Lane. Everything I know about Richie Moran and the Cornell ethic — Hard work! Ground balls! Ivy school, blue collar ethic! — rings true for not just the Moran/Harkness era but throughout Cornell's 55 or so years of lax dominance. Teamwork also pays off in all kinds of business life which is why being a jock helps you later (boosts the team manager, too). A loner is not going to correctly dissect a prospectus solo, or find the cure for cancer alone.
Will definitely take a five-star FOGO.
A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense.
https://nlfrankings.com/player/cooper-simpson/
Quote from: mike1960A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense. https://nlfrankings.com/player/cooper-simpson/
Cooper Simpson is only #67 on the rankings, he's only 6-foot-0, a defenseman, and he's not graduating for another year and a half. It does say "high GPA." So how good will he turn out to be? OTOH Gavid Adler is only 5-foot-8, was all-county in HS but only a finalist for county defensive POTY ... and he helped hold Maryland scoreless for half a game.
For those looking for info on where players of a year or two ago have gone, or where current players are committed, nlfrankings.com could be a bit more polished.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mike1960A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense. https://nlfrankings.com/player/cooper-simpson/
Cooper Simpson is only #67 on the rankings, he's only 6-foot-0, a defenseman, and he's not graduating for another year and a half. It does say "high GPA." So how good will he turn out to be? OTOH Gavid Adler is only 5-foot-8, was all-county in HS but only a finalist for county defensive POTY ... and he helped hold Maryland scoreless for half a game.
For those looking for info on where players of a year or two ago have gone, or where current players are committed, nlfrankings.com could be a bit more polished.
He's #57 in the rankings. I doubt Cornell has many players on their roster who were ranked higher than that in high school.
Interesting. In the list view, he's #67. Drop into the profile, he's #57, and there's no Cornell logo showing his commitment. Whereas the last five-star player, #21, a Yale commit, has a Yale logo on the page. Although it's still almost two years from now that these players show on campus.
It seems other schools get a few more five-stars signed. We get a lot from four- and three-stars, or less, and/or they develop.
I felt badly when Virginia got the Bratton twins signed in 2007, such stars the NYTimes magazine did a story on them. They were not quite as impactful as expected.
There's also team chemistry and coaching. I am super-interested to see how Cornell fares against Maryland in their scrimmage Sunday outside Philadelphia.
Quote from: billhowardI am super-interested to see how Cornell fares against Maryland in their scrimmage Sunday outside Philadelphia.
May not tell us much. Read somewhere a number of key Cornell players are nursing injuries or taking the semester off. Hearsay, so who knows what's real.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: billhowardQuote from: mike1960A terrific new commit to the Big Red defense. https://nlfrankings.com/player/cooper-simpson/
Cooper Simpson is only #67 on the rankings, he's only 6-foot-0, a defenseman, and he's not graduating for another year and a half. It does say "high GPA." So how good will he turn out to be? OTOH Gavid Adler is only 5-foot-8, was all-county in HS but only a finalist for county defensive POTY ... and he helped hold Maryland scoreless for half a game.
For those looking for info on where players of a year or two ago have gone, or where current players are committed, nlfrankings.com could be a bit more polished.
He's #57 in the rankings. I doubt Cornell has many players on their roster who were ranked higher than that in high school.
There's one 5-star in this year's freshman class, Jack Cascadden (I believe he was #10 at Inside Lacrosse) and for whatever reason Brendan Staub, who was the Nassau County Player of the Year and an UA All-American is "only" a 4-star. Other 5-stars on the roster are Mikey Long, CJ Kirst, John Lombardi, Angelo Petrakis, and Chayse Ierlan. I believe Aiden Blake was a 4-star from IL. In next year's class we have one 5 star, AJ Nikolic (son of Cornell hockey's Alex) and 3 4-star recruits. With six 4-stars in the 2024 class (and another, Rowan Nurry, who I saw IL's Ty Xander say will be a 4-star in the next rankings), we look to be doing very well.
How accurate are lacrosse recruiting rankings in general?
Quote from: underskillHow accurate are lacrosse recruiting rankings in general?
Long discussion on this thread at fanlax: https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3832
Being in the 2022 title game helped recruiting, obviously, for the class entering fall 2023. I think recruits see Connor Buczek as the real deal, younger even than Richie Moran in his first year, and likely to stay at Cornell. Fingers crossed.
Which thread says: HS player ranking = inexact science ... some rankings reflect what schools are pursuing which players and how hard ... some college coaches are great coaches, some are great HS-talent evaluators, some are both ... buying video evaluations may help get a HS player noticed ...
Fall ball vs. Maryland sold out: https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/men/sundays-cornell-maryland-fall-ball-game-is-sold-out
If anyone attended the fall ball game and/or has updates on how it went or links to information, I am sure I am not the only one who would appreciate hearing any reports.
Quote from: dag14If anyone attended the fall ball game and/or has updates on how it went or links to information, I am sure I am not the only one who would appreciate hearing any reports.
Go here and scroll down: https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3667&start=200#p405431
Many top guys absent. Probably same for MD.
Thanks for the link. I used to log into LaXPower regularly, then it disappeared, I had disruption in my life and only this weekend did I realize that I didn't have a go-to site for miscellaneous lacrosse information. So not only did I get the update I was looking for, I can now spend time following yet another forum.
Another scrimmage report (https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/men/maryland-cornell-fall-ball-game-a-boon-for-local-springfield-community)
Quote from: TimVAnother scrimmage report (https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/men/maryland-cornell-fall-ball-game-a-boon-for-local-springfield-community)
Mostly focused on Maryland in the report.
Would you like it better if it had a video? (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/3-takeaways-from-maryland-vs-cornell-scrimmage-terps-new-look-o-kirst-midfield-standouts/60305)
Thanks to the Ivy League's oft-criticized rules about eligibility, nine Princeton seniors are entering the transfer portal. (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/nine-princeton-seniors-enter-grad-transfer-portal-for-24-madalon-issues-statement/60351) I'm assuming none of them can come play for Cornell!
Goalie great Bob Rule passed away: https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/usa-insider/senior-men/bob-rule-cornell-all-american-and-hall-of-fame-goalie-dies-at-73
Quote from: Al DeFlorioGoalie great Bob Rule passed away: https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/usa-insider/senior-men/bob-rule-cornell-all-american-and-hall-of-fame-goalie-dies-at-73
"In addition to being named Cornell's lacrosse team most valuable player in 1971, Rule was also a member of the Big Red's hockey team in 1969-70 as a backup goaltender, earning the unique distinction of being the first Cornell athlete to play on two national championship teams in different sports."
He was the first. Has there been anyone since?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioh
Goalie great Bob Rule passed away: https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/usa-insider/senior-men/bob-rule-cornell-all-american-and-hall-of-fame-goalie-dies-at-73
A heartbreaking shame. I first met him a few years ago at an alumni event. I told him how I picked up my knowledge of lacrosse mostly by keeping the bench warm while playing club lacrosse in graduate school, and he smiled and said, I know what that's like." We both laughed because I thought I knew his history. He was backup goalie to Brian Cropper on the undefeated 1970 hockey team. He only got into 3 games that year, during garbage time. But I was mistaken about him in lacrosse.
I remembered he was a goalie in lacrosse too, but I confused him with Bob Buhmann. Buhmann did start in goal for Cornell's 1971 national championship lacrosse match against Maryland. But only when I read Christian Swezey's "We Showed Baltimore" this summer did realize that Rule was the team's starting goalie but didn't play in the championship game because of a knee injury.
Rule's personable humility immediately won me over, even though, or perhaps because, he never admitted he was the starter on the lacrosse team. As Swezey reports, when a writer noticed Buhmann's 22 saves in the championship game and that Buhmann was backup to Rule, the writer said, "Rule must be incredible."
From my brief encounter with Bob Rule and reading in Swezey's book about Rule's other exploits, I have to think the writer was correct.
RIP.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioGoalie great Bob Rule passed away: https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/usa-insider/senior-men/bob-rule-cornell-all-american-and-hall-of-fame-goalie-dies-at-73
Was about to note the other goalie on the 1971 championship season, passed recently: Bob Buhmann, who took Cornell through the playoffs when Bob Rule went down and made 22 saves in the 12-6 win over Maryland for the title. Except, damn, that was 2014. Time moves too quickly for some of us.
Schedule is out: https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule?mibextid=Zxz2cZ
No.... Syracuse?! Marquette instead.
Quote from: Chris '03Schedule is out: https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule?mibextid=Zxz2cZ
No.... Syracuse?! Marquette instead.
That sucks. Probably not good for SOS.
The 2023 Cornell men's lacrosse schedule shows no regular season game against Syracuse. A quick skim on the series rivalry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell%E2%80%93Syracuse_lacrosse_rivalry)I believe shows the last break in play was 1977 and 1978, the year after Cornell whupped Syracuse 24-6 (Cornell's 11th straight win), won the national championship and went 16-0.
Cornell was good and Syracuse was pretty bad in the 1970s. In fact after Syracuse's last win in 1965, until the break, Syracuse scored 2 2 5 8 7 9 3 3 4 5 6 goals while Cornell had five games of 19-26 goals. From 1988-1999 Syracuse won 13 games (including one championship game) but Cornell never threw in the towel.
Do we know for a fact that it was Syracuse 's choice not to play this year? Or is it just speculation, which many of us are prone to doing?
Quote from: Chris '03Schedule is out: https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule?mibextid=Zxz2cZ
No.... Syracuse?! Marquette instead.
What the heck is this???
Was told by one of the current players that Syracuse wanted to play Princeton instead of Cornell (Gary Gait's son was on the Princeton team a few years back).
Don't really know where to put it, but the early reports of the player collapsing in the Bills/Bengals game tonight sounds a lot like what happened to George Boiardi in 2004.
thats the current rumor.. the hit wasnt that violent but was sure in the chest area.
i was coming to post the same thing for the same reason. it looks and sounds exactly like what happened to boiardi.
[edit add:] CNN's Sanjay Gupta said Damar Hamlin's injury indeed may been a result of commotio cordis, described as "a disruption of heart rhythm after a blow to the area directly over the heart at a key time during a heartbeat cycle." It's the leading cause of death in youth baseball, 2-3 per year. And it was the cause of death of George Boiardi '04 after being struck by a shot in Cornell's game against Binghamton.
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The Bill's Damar Hamlin likely had protective covering on his chest. Shoulder pads have plastic (CF?) panels that come down the front and back. That spreads out the force of the impact. I don't know how to model the impact of a 5-ounce lacrosse ball traveling, what, 80 mph, versus a 250-pound player running into or being run into at, say, 15 mph, another player. (Hamlin weighs 200 pounds.)
The autopsy showed [edit clarifying:] Chuck Hughes of the Lions, who collapsed during a game in 1971 and died that day in the hospital, had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said Hamlin had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.
The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.
Yes, commotio cordis. I thought the same thing. I hope that young man is ok.
Quote from: billhowardThe Bill's Damar Hamlin likely had protective covering on his chest. Shoulder pads have plastic (CF?) panels that come down the front and back. That spreads out the force of the impact. I don't know how to model the impact of a 5-ounce lacrosse ball traveling, what, 80 mph, versus a 250-pound player running into or being run into at, say, 15 mph, another player. (Hamlin weighs 200 pounds.)
The autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.
The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.
Hughes?
Unless the shoulder pads stay rigid, with the panels not flexing and the component pieces staying in place, so as to spread the impact over a large area, they might not provide adequate protection.
IIRC, a good deal of the modeling would rely on good ol' Newton's F = ma. See
The Physics of Being Hit by a Pitch (https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-physics-of-being-hit-by-a-pitch/). To get the speed of the collision, you'd have to add the velocities of the two players who collide and convert measures of their weights to mass.
The design of the shoulder pads would influence the time it takes to reduce the speed of the two players to zero, and how well the pads spread the pressure would determine the psi after the collision. So would players' positioning when the tackle is made (e.g., did the offensive player's chest or shoulder hit Hamlin?).
Bottom line, though, is that the two men are heavyweights and were running fast when they collided.
Quote from: rss77Was told by one of the current players that Syracuse wanted to play Princeton instead of Cornell (Gary Gait's son was on the Princeton team a few years back).
Syracuse, why not do both?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardThe Bill's Damar Hamlin likely had protective covering on his chest. Shoulder pads have plastic (CF?) panels that come down the front and back. That spreads out the force of the impact. I don't know how to model the impact of a 5-ounce lacrosse ball traveling, what, 80 mph, versus a 250-pound player running into or being run into at, say, 15 mph, another player. (Hamlin weighs 200 pounds.)
The autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.
The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.
Hughes?
Unless the shoulder pads stay rigid, with the panels not flexing and the component pieces staying in place, so as to spread the impact over a large area, they might not provide adequate protection.
IIRC, a good deal of the modeling would rely on good ol' Newton's F = ma.
Isn't it the momentum that hurts, p = mv?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardThe autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.
The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.
Hughes?
This from the Rochester D&C: "Chuck Hughes, a wide receiver for the Detroit Lions, collapsed on the field at Tiger Stadium on Oct. 24, 1971 during a game against the Chicago Bears. Hughes had just made a 32-yard reception, and then a couple plays later, Bears' defensive end Ed O'Bradovich watched in disbelief as Hughes clutched his chest and fell face first to the ground. . . In all likelihood, Hughes was dead before the medical personnel reached him." Hughes is the only NFL player to die on the field, although several others have had serious injuries resulting in paralysis.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardThe autopsy showed Hughes had a heart attack brought on by undiagnosed, advanced arteriosclerosis, at 28. Reports Tuesday evening said had to be resuscitated a second time, in the hospital and he's on a ventilator.
The NFL would be happier if Hamlin had an undiagnosed heart condition because then it's not the result of a violent impact in a harsh sport.
Hughes?
This from the Rochester D&C: "Chuck Hughes, a wide receiver for the Detroit Lions, collapsed on the field at Tiger Stadium on Oct. 24, 1971 during a game against the Chicago Bears. Hughes had just made a 32-yard reception, and then a couple plays later, Bears' defensive end Ed O'Bradovich watched in disbelief as Hughes clutched his chest and fell face first to the ground. . . In all likelihood, Hughes was dead before the medical personnel reached him." Hughes is the only NFL player to die on the field, although several others have had serious injuries resulting in paralysis.
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Hughes was moved off the field and, because it was late in the game, the teams finished the game, which seems unimaginable. But then, as I recall, the NFL played their scheduled games the Sunday after JFK was assassinated. Business is business!
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F1 kept a race running where 80 spectators were killed. It's almost as if commerce treats human beings as means and not ends in themselves.
If FIA or the NFL said We Will Not Play the Next Game Out of Respect, the drivers / players might say, "We want to play to honor him."
There was no adult in the stadium from the NFL who had the savvy or judgment or authority to say to the game's captains and coaches, "We do you and the players want to do?" The announcers saying there'd be a five-minute warmup then play resumes suggested the NFL had that as the plan for Monday night's game rather than that's what happens when an injury stops play for 20+ minutes.
In this situation, labor had the trump card, not management. Unless they wanted to bring in an entirely new work force. If so, the Congress has done pretty much nothing all week. Didn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?
Quote from: billhowardThe announcers saying there'd be a five-minute warmup then play resumes suggested the NFL had that as the plan for Monday night's game rather than that's what happens when an injury stops play for 20+ minutes.
The NFL, of course, said they had no intention of resuming play. That begs the question, why did they need to wait an hour to cancel the game?
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Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardThe announcers saying there'd be a five-minute warmup then play resumes suggested the NFL had that as the plan for Monday night's game rather than that's what happens when an injury stops play for 20+ minutes.
The NFL, of course, said they had no intention of resuming play. That begs the question, why did they need to wait an hour to cancel the game?
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I saw one tweet -- I think from a person who said they used to be involved with NFL game ops -- that said they might have held off on canceling the game immediately to avoid everyone leaving the stadium and creating a traffic jam while the ambulance was still on site. That wouldn't explain why they didn't call the game right after the ambulance left, though, especially since it was obvious that the teams had no interest in resuming play.
Quote from: billhowardDidn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?
Probably not, because neither Baruch College nor NYU have D1 football teams and he might be accused of embellishing his resume. As we know,
embellishment warrants a two-minute penalty.
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There's an interesting article in the NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/sports/football/damar-hamlin-response-audio-recording.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) that notes "Other professional leagues have experienced similar crises. In 1998, Dr. Matava helped treat Chris Pronger, a defenseman for the St. Louis Blues, when a puck hit his chest and his heart stopped. Pronger, who survived, was found to have suffered commotio cordis, in which a severe blow to the chest at a precise moment in the heart's rhythm can stop its beating."
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Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.
Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardDidn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?
Probably not, because neither Baruch College nor NYU have D1 football teams and he might be accused of embellishing his resume. As we know, embellishment warrants a two-minute penalty.
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But he's from Brazil, so you're misunderstanding the kind of football on his resume. I heard he made the Brazilian Men's National Team (in soccer) but couldn't play in the World Cup because of injury. At least that's what his resume says.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: George64Quote from: billhowardDidn't that embattled new guy from LI have football on his resume?
Probably not, because neither Baruch College nor NYU have D1 football teams and he might be accused of embellishing his resume. As we know, embellishment warrants a two-minute penalty.
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But he's from Brazil, so you're misunderstanding the kind of football on his resume. I heard he made the Brazilian Men's National Team (in soccer) but couldn't play in the World Cup because of injury. At least that's what his resume says.
He can't
finish, he's
Finnish.
Quote from: mike1960Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.
One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.
Referees are calling an emergency meeting.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: mike1960Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.
One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.
Referees are calling an emergency meeting.
+1
Quote from: TimVQuote from: mike1960Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.
One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.
Referees are calling an emergency meeting.
Tierney is 70. Jim Boeheim, still rolling along, is 78 although Boeheim and his wife, Juli, are way younger, combined, than Bill and Susan Tierney.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TimVQuote from: mike1960Bill Tierney is retiring after this season. Great career.
One social media account asserts he will coach a granddaughter's lacrosse team.
Referees are calling an emergency meeting.
Tierney is 70. Jim Boeheim, still rolling along, is 78 although Boeheim and his wife, Juli, are way younger, combined, than Bill and Susanz Tierney.
You know the ages of coaches WIVES???
Trotsky must have a database I don't know about.
Really.
1 Virginia (0 - 0) 506 (14) --
2 Maryland (0 - 0) 496 (8) --
3 Georgetown (0 - 0) 442 (1) --
4 Cornell (0 - 0) 438 --
5 Notre Dame (0 - 0) 411 (3) --
6 Princeton (0 - 0) 387 --
7 Yale (0 - 0) 341 --
8 Duke (0 - 0) 340 --
9 Rutgers (0 - 0)
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2023
Quote from: mike1960Really.
1 Virginia (0 - 0) 506 (14) --
2 Maryland (0 - 0) 496 (8) --
3 Georgetown (0 - 0) 442 (1) --
4 Cornell (0 - 0) 438 --
5 Notre Dame (0 - 0) 411 (3) --
6 Princeton (0 - 0) 387 --
7 Yale (0 - 0) 341 --
8 Duke (0 - 0) 340 --
9 Rutgers (0 - 0)
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2023
Should Cornell be higher or lower, based on their perfect record? I clicked on the link and every single team has an up arrow as compared to the previous poll, so everybody starts on the upswing! ::burnout::
Ivy League announcement says Ivy League Tournament will be May 5 and 7, Friday and Sunday, at:
- Men, at Columbia
- Women, at top-seed school
Quote from: Ivy League ca. 1/27/23Additionally, the league has announced the tournament locations for the upcoming season with the women's event going to the campus of the top seed and the men's event heading to Columbia University. Both tournaments will be held on Friday, May 5 (semifinals) and Sunday, May 7 (championship games). Ticket information for each event will be available at a later date.
Quote from: billhowardIvy League announcement says Ivy League Tournament will be May 5 and 7, Friday and Sunday, at:
Oh wow. This is awesome (for me).
Does Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?
Is it at Princeton?
Quote from: TrotskyDoes Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?
Is it at Princeton?
Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: TrotskyDoes Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?
Is it at Princeton?
Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.
+1
And I thought it was just tinnitus.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: TrotskyDoes Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?
Is it at Princeton?
Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.
Loved just being able to stand on the sideline and watch the game with the same perspective as the players had on the opposite sideline.
Great interview with Gavin Adler on the Lacrosse Allstars podcast. There's a link to the interview on the Cornell lacrosse Twitter page
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: TimVQuote from: TrotskyDoes Ivy lax have a Mecca like the Palestra is for Ivy basketball?
Is it at Princeton?
Yes. Lower Alumni Field, where the barking ghost of Ned Harkness can still be heard late at night.
Loved just being able to stand on the sideline and watch the game with the same perspective as the players had on the opposite sideline.
Also, you could just walk to a spot where you wanted to view the action. I remember one game, against Brown I think, in which I moved to a spot almost to the restraining line of our offensive zone. There I watched Cornell midfield setup Harry Orr (yes, that Harry Orr) for one of his patented underhand shots, which won the game.
P.S. Gone are the days when a single guy can be a star in two sports and score with slap shots from the blue line and underhand shots from a few feet away from the restraining line.
Scrimmage in a week. First game in two weeks. March is going to be a tough month -- Ohio State, Penn State, Yale, Penn.
Attended Lacrosse scrimmage against Colgate. Did not see Mike Long playing today and Aiden Blake only saw limited playing time. They played 4 15 minute periods with the backups playing the final period. Score was kept by quarters. Final tally according to poster on Laxpower Forum was 11-6 Cornell. The Colgate Goalie was really dialed in as he made some nice saves. First half was fairly even but Cornell really dominated the 3rd period 5-1. Defense was in "shut down" mode during that time either making Colgate run down the shot clock or turning the ball over. Kirst was his usual self as one of his goals was a "no angle' shot. Final period was 1-1 with Cornell's goal coming of off the Stanford transfer Reeder.
Thanks. I'll see them play UAlbany on Saturday. Anybody else going?
Albany got dominated by SU friday night.
Milliman had a good weekend, with Penn State beating Georgetown and Dordevic.
Cornell now ranked #2.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
can we not play for 2-3 more weeks and get to #1
Quote from: mike1960Milliman had a good weekend, with Penn State beating Georgetown and Dordevic.
Cornell now ranked #2.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Hopkins, not Penn State.
Quote from: mike1960Milliman had a good weekend, with Penn State beating Georgetown and Dordevic.
Cornell now ranked #2.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Except that Jeff Tambroni coaches Penn State and Milliman is at Johns Hopkins.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Milliman had a good weekend, with Penn State beating Georgetown and Dordevic.
Cornell now ranked #2.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Hopkins, not Penn State.
My bad. That was the Aultmore typing.
Inside Lacrosse is reporting that Maryland goalie Logan McAnaney, who was the biggest single reason Maryland beat us in last year's NC game, is out for the season with an ACL injury.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Milliman had a good weekend, with Penn State beating Georgetown and Dordevic.
Cornell now ranked #2.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Hopkins, not Penn State.
My bad. That was the Aultmore typing.
Need to blend that stuff.
Quote from: martyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Milliman had a good weekend, with Penn State beating Georgetown and Dordevic.
Cornell now ranked #2.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Hopkins, not Penn State.
My bad. That was the Aultmore typing.
Need to blend that stuff.
No! It's very good just as it is.
Nice preview on the Cornell lacrosse team highlighting their size.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/improve-every-day-cornell-brings-a-gridiron-look-and-feel-into-2023/60712
Quote from: Ken711Nice preview on the Cornell lacrosse team highlighting their size.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/improve-every-day-cornell-brings-a-gridiron-look-and-feel-into-2023/60712
And the Cornell Sun says PREVIEW: No. 2 Men's Lacrosse Begins its Path Back to Championship Monday Against Albany (https://cornellsun.com/2023/02/16/preview-no-2-mens-lacrosse-begins-its-path-back-to-championship-monday-against-albany/)
What's the news at the FOGO position?
Quote from: TimVThanks. I'll see them play UAlbany on Saturday. Anybody else going?
I will be watching from far away on my computer. The one time I went a few years ago, I think my legs turned to icicles from sitting in the stands too long. And that was in March
Quote from: mike1960What's the news at the FOGO position?
Psyllos and Petrakis returning,
plus freshman Jack Cascadden – FO/Midfield – 6-3 – 220
Garden City, N.Y. (Garden City School)
Prior to Cornell
• As captain, led his team to a state championship title in 2022.
• Was named a USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-sport athlete in lacrosse and football.
• Throp Award Winner for most outstanding football player in Nassau County.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: mike1960What's the news at the FOGO position?
Psyllos and Petrakis returning,
plus freshman Jack Cascadden – FO/Midfield – 6-3 – 220
Garden City, N.Y. (Garden City School)
Prior to Cornell
• As captain, led his team to a state championship title in 2022.
• Was named a USA Lacrosse All-American.
• Two-sport athlete in lacrosse and football.
• Throp Award Winner for most outstanding football player in Nassau County.
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It was an area that hurt us last year (46% wins) although Petrakis gained key possessions in important games down the stretch. Let's hope this becomes a strength for us this year.
Game day today! Very excited to see lacrosse return.
Quote from: djk26Game day today! Very excited to see lacrosse return.
Yes! I expect Graydon Hogg will see a lot of tough doubles today.
Stop the ball. Make him pass.
passing is sloppy and nobody is getting free. everything looks constipated. Down 3-2 with ~3 left in the first.
O looks lost without Long.
Put the ball in CJ's stick. Always a good idea.
I wish they'd explain the face off violations. I don't see what they're calling.
Does anyone know where I can find Barry Leonard on the radio? These announcers are not the best. And the camera work is experimental and impressionistic.
It seems like the camera person does not understand the game of lacrosse. S/he is always a few seconds behind the play, although we do get a good look at the substitutions at mid field.
This camera man absolutely blows
How are we gonna lose a face off to a long stick AND get a penalty.
They look like they've been practicing together for just a couple of weeks. Lots of questionable passes, as ugarte says, several in the dirt. Also defensive lapses and too many shots not on goal. Last year, Connor did a great job with the team coming out the half. Let's see if he's still got the magic.
Yep. Move the ball. That's the Cornell game that went to the last day.
Billy Coyle is taking too many shots from outside. They are low percentage and he is missing them.
Quote from: mike1960Does anyone know where I can find Barry Leonard on the radio? These announcers are not the best. And the camera work is experimental and impressionistic.
Interesting that there is no Ithaca-based radio today.
I'm also amused by how strong and deliberate the "UAlbany" branding is. Not "Albany." UAlbany. On the signage. The broadcast graphics. The announcers never just say "Albany." Yooalbany.
I guess they just don't want to give anyone a chance to slip up and think "SUNY Albany."
60 second reset. The UA guy possessed the ball, then lost it.
Happy for the win but a very frustrating game to watch for a lot of reasons.
12-10 final, good guys.
Quote from: mike1960Happy for the win but a very frustrating game to watch for a lot of reasons.
For anyone like me who reads through these threads later, 12-10 Cornell win, with a lot of penalties at the end.
Adler, Kirst, and Ierlan were great today. That was the difference. Looking forward to seeing this team play as a team.
Quote from: RichHInteresting that there is no Ithaca-based radio today.
Will there be any at all this season? The schedule has no radio listed for any game ...
If that's the case, I will miss Barry and Tom and Howie!
Quote from: CU77Quote from: RichHInteresting that there is no Ithaca-based radio today.
Will there be any at all this season? The schedule has no radio listed for any game ...
If that's the case, I will miss Barry and Tom and Howie!
Maybe since it's still basketball season, there's no coverage?
Quote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Happy for the win but a very frustrating game to watch for a lot of reasons.
For anyone like me who reads through these threads later, 12-10 Cornell win, with a lot of penalties at the end.
Anyone else from eLynah there besides TimV? Too cold for me (cold urticaria notwithstanding). Give Tim a hand for showing up.
Quote from: martyQuote from: RichHQuote from: mike1960Happy for the win but a very frustrating game to watch for a lot of reasons.
For anyone like me who reads through these threads later, 12-10 Cornell win, with a lot of penalties at the end.
Anyone else from eLynah there besides TimV? Too cold for me (cold urticaria notwithstanding). Give Tim a hand for showing up.
Only about 60 degrees colder from the last time they played a meaningful game.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: CU77Quote from: RichHInteresting that there is no Ithaca-based radio today.
Will there be any at all this season? The schedule has no radio listed for any game ...
If that's the case, I will miss Barry and Tom and Howie!
Maybe since it's still basketball season, there's no coverage?
There always was in past years.
Maybe somebody who's on Twitter (I'm not) can tweet at Barry and ask him:
https://twitter.com/BarryLeonard3
I believe Barry is only doing home games on ESPN+
Can anyone tell me where is Michael Long?
Strange thing on the LiveStats yesterday--"CORNELL" was abbreviated "CORM". A typo? No, "ALBANY" was listed as "UALBANYM". "M" must be for "men's team." Whew--I didn't want to have to change the name on my diploma to "CORMELL". ::looking::
I watched the Cornell/UAlbany women's game later on Saturday and we were CORW. It took me a minute to figure it out, too.
Quote from: dag14I watched the Cornell/UAlbany women's game later on Saturday and we were CORW. It took me a minute to figure it out, too.
Will this sport follow (https://hawkeyesports.com/sports/womens-wrestling/)?
Quote from: martyQuote from: dag14I watched the Cornell/UAlbany women's game later on Saturday and we were CORW. It took me a minute to figure it out, too.
Will this sport follow (https://hawkeyesports.com/sports/womens-wrestling/)?
Step one: http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?7,242587
most of the participants in women's wrestling are small women's colleges. iowa making a big bet on it is huge for the sport.
About the radio broadcast - I emailed WHCU's GM and learned that, due to an Ivy League deal with ESPN+, Cornell will no longer have WHCU broadcast CU Lacrosse games.
To say this is disappointing is huge understatement, as Barry along with Tom and/or Howie provided unparalleled play-by-play and expert commentary on the games. I'm sure many/most of us would listen to them while watching games on ESPN+. Their banter, analysis, and historical reflections about Coach Moran during the Rutgers rain delay last year were absolutely priceless.
Hopefully this will not extend to hockey next year.
Quote from: BeamHilll87About the radio broadcast - I emailed WHCU's GM and learned that, due to an Ivy League deal with ESPN+, Cornell will no longer have WHCU broadcast CU Lacrosse games.
To say this is disappointing is huge understatement, as Barry along with Tom and/or Howie provided unparalleled play-by-play and expert commentary on the games. I'm sure many/most of us would listen to them while watching games on ESPN+. Their banter, analysis, and historical reflections about Coach Moran during the Rutgers rain delay last year were absolutely priceless.
Hopefully this will not extend to hockey next year.
Wow, sorry to hear this. But thanks for the update!
I'm going to miss Barry Leonard's "a little French pastry" call when we see a behind-the-back pass!
Quote from: BeamHilll87About the radio broadcast - I emailed WHCU's GM and learned that, due to an Ivy League deal with ESPN+, Cornell will no longer have WHCU broadcast CU Lacrosse games.
To say this is disappointing is huge understatement, as Barry along with Tom and/or Howie provided unparalleled play-by-play and expert commentary on the games. I'm sure many/most of us would listen to them while watching games on ESPN+. Their banter, analysis, and historical reflections about Coach Moran during the Rutgers rain delay last year were absolutely priceless.
Hopefully this will not extend to hockey next year.
ESPN Minus Cubed?
Quote from: woodpileCan anyone tell me where is Michael Long?
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Quote from: BeamHilll87About the radio broadcast - I emailed WHCU's GM and learned that, due to an Ivy League deal with ESPN+, Cornell will no longer have WHCU broadcast CU Lacrosse games.
Any chance Barry & Tom will do the ESPN+ broadcast for home games?
Based on what the WHCU GM told me the broadcasters will be local for each team, so hopefully Barry will do our home games along with Tom and/or Howie - Jason Weinstein did them solo for ESPN+ last year, so we might not know until game time on Saturday. As another fan on the FanLax forum posted, another big loss is the pregame show with the coach interviews, matchups, etc.
So no radio for lax but radio for hockey?
the worst part of no radio to me is when driving during a game and not being able to listen.
But this isnt a WHCU issue this is a school issue.. the ADs allowed this? or else they wanted WHCU to pay a huge amount to get the rights.
Lots of sports on ESPN+ have radio broadcasts..
if only we had a new AD to complain too.
Quote from: upprdeckSo no radio for lax but radio for hockey?
the worst part of no radio to me is when driving during a game and not being able to listen.
But this isnt a WHCU issue this is a school issue.. the ADs allowed this? or else they wanted WHCU to pay a huge amount to get the rights.
Lots of sports on ESPN+ have radio broadcasts..
if only we had a new AD to complain too.
I'm guessing it's a money issue as the school doesn't want to pay for the radio broadcasts with the assumption most people are watching the stream. And I believe schools aren't allowed to simulcast the ESPN+ broadcast on radio.
Isnt the radio station paying the schools to broadcast not the schools paying?
When you listen to games on XM its the school radio feeds you get and many of those same schools have espn+ feeds. its a different crew .
I would wonder how many locals have the ESPN+ feed. I know most people I know locally do not get espn+ but do listen to hockey on the radio.
Also gone then is the capability to listen in the car or at the stadium to play by play. ::cuss::
Quote from: TimVAlso gone then is the capability to listen in the car or at the stadium to play by play. ::cuss::
yup pretty shorted sited as a fan experience..
Lots of things happen on the field that no one understands and is lost when live watching a game..
Quote from: TimVAlso gone then is the capability to listen in the car or at the stadium to play by play. ::cuss::
Get the ESPN app on your phone, and listen to the play-by-play audio wherever you are.
I'm hoping Barry and Tom will be doing the ESPN call now that WHCU will not be.
But even so, I'm gonna miss those tart cherry juice ads ...
you can do that espn app but it will drain your phone pretty fast.. You likely can not listen to a whole game with it running since you have to use it with the video.
You also have to have decent internet since it forces you to be in 5g range for any of the newer phones.. if you have to do it with hockey almost no chance it works in lynah given the poor reception in there.
Even in Ithaca that are tons of dead zones in town trying to listen to a game on your phone..
And the same for a car.. If you sync it up you better have a way to plug it or it will be dead before you get some place and then the signal drops out all over the county.
Quote from: upprdeckcan we not play for 2-3 more weeks and get to #1
Correct! After winning a game, we drop two spots. Admittedly not a great showing but smh.
Quote from: dag14I watched the Cornell/UAlbany women's game later on Saturday and we were CORW. It took me a minute to figure it out, too.
Reminds me of my all time favorite in the Daily Sun--the second page of each article abberviated the names of the teams, too. Men's basketball was "MHOOPS", which meant women's basketball was "WHOOPS." :-P Not in the days of Jeomi Maduka, they weren't, but that was after I graduated.
Game notes:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/2/21/mens-lacrosse-home-opener-mlax-vs-lehigh.aspx
which have some good news!
• The game will be broadcast live on ESPN+ with Barry Leonard on the call.
Quote from: CU77Game notes:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/2/21/mens-lacrosse-home-opener-mlax-vs-lehigh.aspx
which have some good news!
• The game will be broadcast live on ESPN+ with Barry Leonard on the call.
Great! Thanks!
Hmm...the CU sports information team needs to do a bit of proofreading. This is from the preview for the Lehigh game on Feb 25, 2023:
Last Meeting: Cornell won 9-5 on February 26, 2023 in Bethlehem, Pa.
If we win this year by the same score, then they just got the date wrong by a day, eh?
Cornell sports PR is not over-staffed. Mistakes are understandable. Still doesn't excuse the glitches.
If these people are journalists at heart, now or once upon a time, it must be soul-crushing to have to put a spin on, say, the league's second- or third-best team losing two fricking games at home. As for-instance.
Quote from: rss77Attended Lacrosse scrimmage against Colgate. Did not see Mike Long playing today ,..
How is Michael Long doing? Are we going to see him soon?
Quote from: billhowardCornell sports PR is not over-staffed. Mistakes are understandable. Still doesn't excuse the glitches.
If these people are journalists at heart, now or once upon a time, it must be soul-crushing to have to put a spin on, say, the league's second- or third-best team losing two fricking games at home. As for-instance.
It's even tougher for the sports information person who is responsible for the baseball team. I was reading the season-opening story on the Cornell website, which heralded the opening of the new field and the fact that most of Cornell's top hitters are coming back. Buried further down was the statistic that the pitching staff last year had an ERA of about 9.00. Buried even further down was the fact that Cornell was the preseason pick to finish last in the Ivies.
Cornell finish eighth.
Last.
Trick passed along by the football publicist.
Quote from: billhowardHow is Michael Long doing? Are we going to see him soon?
No one who knows is talking ...
pretty much the same as several other key players in cornells best sports have been handled.. Hard to find out information even when its pretty clear whats happening,.
Quote from: upprdeckpretty much the same as several other key players in cornells best sports have been handled.. Hard to find out information even when it's pretty clear whats happening,.
Lost - what's happening?
My view is these are kids, don't expect daily updates on their availability as if they play for the Yankees. Maybe I'm in the minority.
updating a guy isnt playing is different than saying whats wrong with him.
Wrestling had some guys people wondered about, Lax has some, Hockey had some.
nothing on lax schedule changing today. Got 2-3 inches and 15 degrees here north of town. might want to break out the orange balls.
Nice approach to the 10 man ride.
We need to see better team defense today -- smart, vicious doubles and quick rotations and slides.
The offense looks much sharper than last week.
Looks like we borrowed the camera person from UAlbany.
Tom said 20 degrees as the game started. 40 and sunny here in Denver::burnout::
0-7 on face offs with 2 violations?
Quote from: jjanow990-7 on face offs with 2 violations?
Our only hope is good wing play.
Where's the flag.
Cascadden won one. Maybe he's the answer.
Where's the help?? Two goals without slides.
Lehigh beating shorties from X.
What's with Live Stats today? Not refreshing to show 2nd period, and was late in starting the game.
Quote from: mike1960Cascadden won one. Maybe he's the answer.
Matches Sisselberger's size.
Beauty.
With the shaky close and back camera work, I feel like I'm watching Jason Borne play lacrosse.
Maybe stop trying to throw skip passes over the long poles.
That is the defense I was expecting coming into the year. Nice effort
The offense moved the ball much better today and made some nice shots. The Lehigh goalie kept this from being a blowout. Lehigh's zone defense gave the O a little trouble. Something to work on.
The Cornell D did not play well early, but after the half started bringing the tough slides and rotations and shut Lehigh down. Ierland the same: lost a couple early then started seeing the ball in the snowflakes.
We were dominated at the faceoff but the freshman Cascadden looks like he's ready to play. I'm excited about his future.
Kirst and Adler played great, as usual. Chris Davis was really good today also. He brings a lot of skills to the field.
The camera work was artistic and impressionistic. Finding the ball was often an adventure.
It was great hearing the call of Barry Leonard and Tom LaFalce.
Quote from: semsoxThat is the defense I was expecting coming into the year. Nice effort
Shut out Lehigh entire second half, plus last 12+ minutes in first.
PSU 13, Yale 11 final
Duke crushing Penn at the half 8-2
Terps over Pton 3-1 st the half
Ivies certainly don't look as strong as last year. Will make league play all the more important, as we won't get as pronounced an RPI benefit as last year
Quote from: semsoxThat is the defense I was expecting coming into the year. Nice effort
As usual, I can't get a score here on the lax Slack channel, and it literally takes 7 clicks (including activating all the drop-down menus) to get to it on the CU Athletics site.
It was 12-5 Cornell over Lehigh.
I guess I'll just make a bookmark to the scoreboard of whatever replaced laxpower and then come here to vaguely reference how it went.
Is the freshman (cascadden?) our best hope for faceoffs?
Quote from: RichHQuote from: semsoxThat is the defense I was expecting coming into the year. Nice effort
As usual, I can't get a score here on the lax Slack channel, and it literally takes 7 clicks (including activating all the drop-down menus) to get to it on the CU Athletics site.
It was 12-5 Cornell over Lehigh.
I guess I'll just make a bookmark to the scoreboard of whatever replaced laxpower and then come here to vaguely reference how it went.
Inside Lacrosse has a live scoreboard: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/scores
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: RichHQuote from: semsoxThat is the defense I was expecting coming into the year. Nice effort
As usual, I can't get a score here on the lax Slack channel, and it literally takes 7 clicks (including activating all the drop-down menus) to get to it on the CU Athletics site.
It was 12-5 Cornell over Lehigh.
I guess I'll just make a bookmark to the scoreboard of whatever replaced laxpower and then come here to vaguely reference how it went.
Inside Lacrosse has a live scoreboard: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/scores
Perfect. Thanks Al!
Quote from: CU2007Is the freshman (cascadden?) our best hope for faceoffs?
Faceoff today was not so bad. The Lehigh FOGO, one of the best in the nation, gets 60-65% routinely. Today he had 66%, so average. Petrakis has problems with violations, which he should be able to overcome, But he was OK against UAlbany's guy, and so was Psyllos. Cascadden matched up way better with Lehigh because of his size, was 5 wins and 6 losses against the guy. He should be a good one even now as a freshman. Overall, I think our situation at the dot is much better than last year.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: CU2007Is the freshman (cascadden?) our best hope for faceoffs?
Faceoff today was not so bad. The Lehigh FOGO, one of the best in the nation, gets 60-65% routinely. Today he had 66%, so average. Petrakis has problems with violations, which he should be able to overcome, But he was OK against UAlbany's guy, and so was Psyllos. Cascadden matched up way better with Lehigh because of his size, was 5 wins and 6 losses against the guy. He should be a good one even now as a freshman. Overall, I think our situation at the dot is much better than last year.
Having Cascadden gives us a much better chance to match up against physically dominant FOGOs like Sisselberg, while Petrakis will have better days against different guys. Psyllos was smartly put on the wing and did a nice job there.
Quote from: CU2007Is the freshman (cascadden?) our best hope for faceoffs?
The sample size is a little small right now, but he did well against one of the best. As others said, he has good physical size, and he clearly also has good skills (technique) and mental toughness to twitch on the whistle. I also like that he was called for a push in the back penalty. I know penalties are not good, but it shows that he believes that the ball is his property, and he's pushing people around to get it, not vice versa.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: CU2007Is the freshman (cascadden?) our best hope for faceoffs?
The sample size is a little small right now, but he did well against one of the best. As others said, he has good physical size, and he clearly also has good skills (technique) and mental toughness to twitch on the whistle. I also like that he was called for a push in the back penalty. I know penalties are not good, but it shows that he believes that the ball is his property, and he's pushing people around to get it, not vice versa.
IMHO, it will be his strength going side-by-side, shoulder-to-shoulder with his opponent, his quickness to the ball, and his skill (technique) getting the ball off the ground that will tell the tale.
Cornell men in for another crappy weather day tomorrow.
Quote from: upprdeckCornell men in for another crappy weather day tomorrow.
I recall (tho that doesn't mean it actually happened) a Cornell game at the Carrier Dome vs. host Hobart, and that a Binghamton game was played at some indoor facility in Binghamton.
Quote from: National Weather Service as of Monday 2/27Monday: Snow and sleet, becoming all snow after 3am. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 31. Southeast wind 11 to 18 mph, with gusts as high as 31 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and sleet accumulation of around 4 inches.
Tuesday: Snow likely, possibly mixed with rain before 1pm, then a slight chance of drizzle between 1pm and 2pm, then a slight chance of snow after 2pm. Cloudy, with a high near 39. South wind 15 to 17 mph becoming west in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 29 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.
One more reason for a full-field practice-February games facility that holds 500-1000 fans. Saturday's Lehigh game attendance was reported at 312.
I'd really rather see a new domed stadium holding 20,000. At that point Cornell would probably see it moved off campus, too.
Cornell's first home game, as seen from the living room of my home on video, was disappointing. (Not the outcome and Cornell's almost three quarters of shutout defense.) Cornell and the Ivies should have increasing standards of acceptable quality compared to the sketchy early efforts of 15 years ago. Quality means connection quality (close to non-issue versus early days), video image quality & resolution, quality of the camera-crew and director/producer tracking play and picking the best angles, number of cameras, and announcer quality. For the most part, in the ESPN+ era, it's been better. Saturday, hosting Lehigh for lacrosse, the audio broadcast (i.e. our announcers) was very good (esp. compared to Yale's hockey duo). The Lehigh lax video, meh:
- The video was jerky, the ball went off camera or the center of action wasn't centered, then there was a sudden tug to recenter.
- Sometimes the video covered half the field (first photo). That's okay for game films where Coach wants to show the overall flow. I want to see the guy with the ball (and his defender) and then follow the action as the ball is passed and shot. Or flip back and forth.
- It was cold and we weren't prepared. It appeared the video was shot from behind a press box window. You saw reflections (second photo, I believe that's a reflection on the right side). The videographer's-photographer's comfort is not a concern. Let him or her dress warmly with multilayer gloves if need be. I've shot field sports on the sidelines in a snowstorm with the field obscured, temps in the teens, without heated gloves. I didn't retreat to a press box to be out of the wind. At the least, have Cornell's videographers work from one of the enclosed areas of the press box and just have the front glass open. Let the broadcast guys (announcers) have their separate, semi-heated booth with glass closed.
I think we're not that far from affordable, streaming-quality cameras that can be located in the open and have the videographer in a warmed part of the press box.
Maybe we can put a remote camera atop the press box at Lynah, next to the fixed camera that's used, or will be used, to verify offsides penalties, goals. The higher location will show more of the ice not hidden by the glass. This beyond the fixed cams directly over the goals. (Heck, we could mount remote cameras atop the scoreboard and on Schoellkopf House, a second videographer actively controls the one facing play and the other fixed, centered and ready.)
College game broadcasting is not just something to mollify old alums. It keeps happy the player parents who can't make it to every game and shows off Cornell to prospective recruits. Second-class negatively impacts the brand. I bet they teach that at the Dyson School. Maybe we recast our motto from "I found an institution ... " to "Das Beste Oder Nichts."
I watched the at-Yale hockey game a day late on account of a dinner party Saturday, and when I switched away from the ESPN+ webcast at game's end, I wound up shunted to the start of a Liberty University (Falwell U) home hockey. The broadcast quality was awesome. There was a camera in the tunnel to catch the players coming out and perhaps four more trained on the ice. The last time I was at Liberty's LaHaye Ice Center (our son was a student trainer getting clinical hours in; he was not matriculated there), there was also a camera on a boom outside the home team broadcast booth that the two announcer could talk into. If anybody knows good streaming video, it's the people who also bring Christ into your living room.
Polls 2/27 -- heady standing for Cornell with its two victories against two teams not ranked, but then we did play 40+ minutes of shutout ball vs. Lehigh. Not a good week for the other leading Ivies otherwise. Maryland beat Princeton 11-5, Penn State beat Yale 13-11, Duke beat Penn 14-12. Harvard did beat Bucknell 13-8. The only other unbeaten Ivy? Dartmouth, also 2-0.
Media Poll
1 Virginia
2 Notre Dame
3 Cornell was 4
4 Maryland was 9
5 Princeton was 3
Also: TOSU 8, Penn 10, Yale 13, Penn State 17, Syracuse 20, HM Harvard, Brown
Poll (always points to newest poll): https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2023''
For contrast to our Lehigh stream, check out the ESPN+ archive of Maryland at Princeton on the same day. THAT'S the way you do it.
I saw most of those teams play at least a half on Saturday. Much as I love our team, we are way overrated at this point in the season. Maryland, Carolina and Duke are better right now.
yup, but they also have 2-3 more weeks of practice in already and some have played 4-5 games.
agree on all of your points. watched a chunk of the game live on my phone and thought the quality wasnt very good... assumed either ESPN themselves or my carrier was degrading because of bandwidth. watching the replay at home, obvious that the game isnt being captured in HD, which really is unacceptable
maybe saving camera money to bring back a radio feed ...
Quote from: upprdeckmaybe saving camera money to bring back a radio feed ...
LOL- there's an interesting idea!
Agree with other posters that the video feed was, well... borderline awful.
Hearing Barry and Tom was great, though, and made up for the video.
looks like today being in Genava might be cold but missed most of the snow thats still coming down around here
Sat in OSU might be fun with the huge storm warnings out now. If they are driving out they may not make it
At least the bad quality of the last game is better than what you will have to pay to watch the OSU game on sat..
5-1 Cornell after one at Hobart
Hobart video is good, announcers are first-class. Could give the Syracuse Newhouse School a run for their money. Also, they're not homers: They talked about an "ill-advised [clearing] pass," dropped balls with no pressure, thought they saw Hobart goal out of the circle step back in (and not called) and other glitches. Good stuff.
Okay, one Hobart broadcast glitch: The scores band is way too big. At least it's at screen-bottom. ESPN (real ESPN) used to put the band at the top and it often blocked the guy feeding from the upper corner of the screen.
About 35 degrees in Geneva. There is no evidence of snow on the field although it's on the adjacent fields.
Cornell gave up the first goal, ran off 6, 6-1 early in the second period, Kirst with 3 goals. 7-1. 8-1 4 minutes into the second. Hobart gets it to 8-2 midway through the second, gets its first back to back goal pair 7 minutes in, then 3 in a row with 4:00 to halftime: 8-4. Cornell and Hobart (at 0.1?) trade goals in the last 10 seconds, halftime 9-5 Cornell, Kirst has 4G 3A. I still miss Pannell and Teat, but, sheesh, Kirst is putting up big numbers early this season.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio5-1 Cornell after one at Hobart
6-1 now but i'm only posting an udpate to post the stream https://hwsathletics.com/watch/?Live=1412&type=Live
8-1 early 2nd
8-2 and Cornell now playing second string offense and defense
Quote from: nshapiro8-2 and Cornell now playing second string offense and defense
Too soon. Now 8-3 and Hobart ball.
stop them and lose the ball is not a good thing. thats hobarts game
8-4
9-5 halftime; last 10 minutes weak
mistake after mistake that last 10 min.
poor start to 2nd half; look disorganized; too many penalties
Winning faceoffs now, 14-6; Ierlan 12 saves
Ierlan has been great. And his outlet passes are fast and crisp.
15-6 after three
basically, allowed no goals in last 40 min sat and now allowed 2 goals in almost 45 min today..
We will see Sat if the D is real or the quality of opp is the reason.
Quote from: upprdeckmistake after mistake that last 10 min.
to be fair, not the starters
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckmistake after mistake that last 10 min.
to be fair, not the starters
I was referring to the last 10 minutes of the first half; check the time stamp.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckmistake after mistake that last 10 min.
to be fair, not the starters
I was referring to the last 10 minutes of the first half; check the time stamp.
For a good portion of that time there were many backups in there; I was surprised that we went to the bench that early.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckmistake after mistake that last 10 min.
to be fair, not the starters
I was referring to the last 10 minutes of the first half; check the time stamp.
For a good portion of that time there were many backups in there; I was surprised that we went to the bench that early.
Only briefly. Stopped that quickly. Starters back with 8:53 to go in the half.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckmistake after mistake that last 10 min.
to be fair, not the starters
I was referring to the last 10 minutes of the first half; check the time stamp.
For a good portion of that time there were many backups in there; I was surprised that we went to the bench that early.
Only briefly. Stopped that quickly. Starters back with 8:53 to go in the half.
I didn't realize it was such a short time. But it sure seemed to throw us off our game for awhile.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckmistake after mistake that last 10 min.
to be fair, not the starters
I was referring to the last 10 minutes of the first half; check the time stamp.
For a good portion of that time there were many backups in there; I was surprised that we went to the bench that early.
Only briefly. Stopped that quickly. Starters back with 8:53 to go in the half.
I didn't realize it was such a short time. But it sure seemed to throw us off our game for awhile.
No questioning that. Premature move.
I'm encouraged to see Cornell (seemingly) improving with each game. Significant step up in competition this Saturday.
Ierlan's save percentage was over 72%; the Hobart goaltender was around 32%. Their D was a lot like Swiss cheese, giving us lots of opportunities in close.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckmistake after mistake that last 10 min.
to be fair, not the starters
I was referring to the last 10 minutes of the first half; check the time stamp.
For a good portion of that time there were many backups in there; I was surprised that we went to the bench that early.
Only briefly. Stopped that quickly. Starters back with 8:53 to go in the half.
I didn't realize it was such a short time. But it sure seemed to throw us off our game for awhile.
yeah me either; i thought the kids got more run than that.
After the third, Hobart game: You can always find a couple stats that look good when you lose. In this case, when you win big:
Cornell is the blue-collar team of the Ivies (well, certainly not HYP). Ground balls are blue-collar. Versus Hobart, Cornell 44-20.
CJ Kirst went 7G 4A 11 points. 7 goals on 9 shots. Good enough. Extrapolate that for the regular season (um, yes, the competition gets tougher): 69-22-91.
Chase Ierlan was on fire: 7GA, 16SV, 70%SV%. He looked good.
Cornell goals allowed YTD by half: 16 vs. 7
Faceoffs have not been Cornell's forte since, ah, TD Ierlan decided to transfer from Albany to Yale-not-Cornell (and then Denver). At Hobart, we won 13 to Hobart's 15. Moral victory.
As of the start of this week, only four top 20 teams are unbeaten: 1. Maryland Virgina, 2. Notre Dame, 3. Cornell and 12 St. Joseph's. It still seems as if we have not been tested. TOSU and Penn State are up next. Those will be challenges. I wonder what will be the highest-rated team we play in 2023 ... an Ivy?
Quote from: billhowardAfter the third, Hobart game: You can always find a couple stats that look good when you lose. In this case, when you win big:
Cornell is the blue-collar team of the Ivies (well, certainly not HYP). Ground balls are blue-collar. Versus Hobart, Cornell 44-20.
CJ Kirst went 7G 4A 11 points. 7 goals on 9 shots. Good enough. Extrapolate that for the regular season (um, yes, the competition gets tougher): 69-22-91.
Chase Ierlan was on fire: 7GA, 16SV, 70%SV%. He looked good.
Cornell goals allowed YTD by half: 16 vs. 7
Faceoffs have not been Cornell's forte since, ah, TD Ierlan decided to transfer from Albany to Yale-not-Cornell (and then Denver). At Hobart, we won 13 to Hobart's 15. Moral victory.
As of the start of this week, only four top 20 teams are unbeaten: 1. Maryland, 2. Notre Dame, 3. Cornell and 12 St. Joseph's. It still seems as if we have not been tested. TOSU and Penn State are up next. Those will be challenges. I wonder what will be the highest-rated team we play in 2023 ... an Ivy?
1. Virginia
can we win enough faceoffs , the same story every year it seems.
Quote from: upprdeckcan we win enough faceoffs , the same story every year it seems.
I was able to watch the game only after the half when Cornell pulled away, but I liked what I saw at faceoff with Coach Buczek rotating his FOGOs on the ball and in the wings. All three have opportunities to play and improve. I imagine one will emerge as the #1 as the season progresses, but in the meantime, competition is good.
Going in, #8 media / #9 coaches TOSU has played 4 games to Cornell's 3, not much of an advantage. Beat unranked Air Force and Cleveland State by 8 and 7, got by #12 UNC 8-5, got blown out by #1 Virginia 17-6. So it should be close. Does Ierlan bring his A-game, can we keep it close on faceoffs, will Ohio State try a clampdown on CJ Kirst as others did to Jeff Teat his last 2 years, will our defense be as good as it has every right to be?
Highlights from Hobart game: https://youtu.be/hAqfphZaj9k
Quote from: billhowardwill Ohio State try a clampdown on CJ Kirst as others did to Jeff Teat his last 2 years
CJ15 has 3 inches and 20 pounds on JT51 (if you believe the roster pages), and therefore is harder to shut off.
CJ also has a better head coach than JT did.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardAfter the third, Hobart game: You can always find a couple stats that look good when you lose. In this case, when you win big:
Cornell is the blue-collar team of the Ivies (well, certainly not HYP). Ground balls are blue-collar. Versus Hobart, Cornell 44-20.
CJ Kirst went 7G 4A 11 points. 7 goals on 9 shots. Good enough. Extrapolate that for the regular season (um, yes, the competition gets tougher): 69-22-91.
Chase Ierlan was on fire: 7GA, 16SV, 70%SV%. He looked good.
Cornell goals allowed YTD by half: 16 vs. 7
Faceoffs have not been Cornell's forte since, ah, TD Ierlan decided to transfer from Albany to Yale-not-Cornell (and then Denver). At Hobart, we won 13 to Hobart's 15. Moral victory.
As of the start of this week, only four top 20 teams are unbeaten: 1. Maryland, 2. Notre Dame, 3. Cornell and 12 St. Joseph's. It still seems as if we have not been tested. TOSU and Penn State are up next. Those will be challenges. I wonder what will be the highest-rated team we play in 2023 ... an Ivy?
1. Virginia
+1
Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardwill Ohio State try a clampdown on CJ Kirst as others did to Jeff Teat his last 2 years
CJ15 has 3 inches and 20 pounds on JT51 (if you believe the roster pages), and therefore is harder to shut off.
CJ also has a better head coach than JT did.
I also didn't like how Milliman handled the shut off. There were all kinds of ways to get the ball into Teat's stick -- off ball picks, V cuts, etc. Why allow the other team to take your best scorer (the best scorer in the college game) out of the mix to achieve a 5 on 5?
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardwill Ohio State try a clampdown on CJ Kirst as others did to Jeff Teat his last 2 years
CJ15 has 3 inches and 20 pounds on JT51 (if you believe the roster pages), and therefore is harder to shut off.
CJ also has a better head coach than JT did.
I also didn't like how Milliman handled the shut off. There were all kinds of ways to get the ball into Teat's stick -- off ball picks, V cuts, etc. Why allow the other team to take your best scorer (the best scorer in the college game) out of the mix to achieve a 5 on 5?
DeLuca did the same when Pannell was shut off by Harvard in 2011. He'd stand alone in a corner of the field away from everyone. David Lau went 5 and 3 in a one-goal win.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardwill Ohio State try a clampdown on CJ Kirst as others did to Jeff Teat his last 2 years
CJ15 has 3 inches and 20 pounds on JT51 (if you believe the roster pages), and therefore is harder to shut off.
CJ also has a better head coach than JT did.
I also didn't like how Milliman handled the shut off. There were all kinds of ways to get the ball into Teat's stick -- off ball picks, V cuts, etc. Why allow the other team to take your best scorer (the best scorer in the college game) out of the mix to achieve a 5 on 5?
There's an obvious answer, although I agree with your analysis. The answer is the coach believes the remaining 5 players are better than the other team's remaining 5. It's sort of like Harvard hockey playing 3 v 3 in tied games. If the addition of the other team's best defender reduces your chance of scoring by 20% even with your best offensive player in the mix, then taking both of them out of the game might give you a better chance of scoring.
But, as I said, I don't think this sort of analysis applied to Teat in most instances, but Milliman apparently did.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardwill Ohio State try a clampdown on CJ Kirst as others did to Jeff Teat his last 2 years
CJ15 has 3 inches and 20 pounds on JT51 (if you believe the roster pages), and therefore is harder to shut off.
CJ also has a better head coach than JT did.
I also didn't like how Milliman handled the shut off. There were all kinds of ways to get the ball into Teat's stick -- off ball picks, V cuts, etc. Why allow the other team to take your best scorer (the best scorer in the college game) out of the mix to achieve a 5 on 5?
There's an obvious answer, although I agree with your analysis. The answer is the coach believes the remaining 5 players are better than the other team's remaining 5. It's sort of like Harvard hockey playing 3 v 3 in tied games. If the addition of the other team's best defender reduces your chance of scoring by 20% even with your best offensive player in the mix, then taking both of them out of the game might give you a better chance of scoring.
But, as I said, I don't think this sort of analysis applied to Teat in most instances, but Milliman apparently did.
Maryland's Tillman realized that he didn't have to use his best defender to shut off Teat.
so b10+ is $10 for a single school 1 month pass.. I dont think there is any single game deal or way to get a credit if you cancel after the day..
Quote from: upprdeckso b10+ is $10 for a single school 1 month pass.. I dont think there is any single game deal or way to get a credit if you cancel after the day..
Any sense of how easy to cancel before a second month?
from what i have read there is a link on the page to cancel. I havent tried it.
Quote from: upprdeckfrom what i have read there is a link on the page to cancel. I havent tried it.
Thanks. Had s bad experience with Flo awhile ago and would rather not repeat it.
I have subscribed for a month and canceled with B10 successfully, I think for the Penn State women's hockey game last year.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckso b10+ is $10 for a single school 1 month pass.. I dont think there is any single game deal or way to get a credit if you cancel after the day..
Any sense of how easy to cancel before a second month?
It's not easy funding the Big10 especially defending all those lawsuits. If anybody deserves the money, it's them. Their needs only increase when the B
1024 defends the eventual anti-trust lawsuit.
ECAC we get all the schools for $10 a month and we have no tv money really.. B10 has oooodles and cost you 2x3x as much.. And probably way more subscribers given the size of the schools.
Just hope the boys got an early bus ride and not leaving just now as the weather gets bad.
Quote from: upprdeckJust hope the boys got an early bus ride and not leaving just now as the weather gets bad.
3-1/2 hours Ithaca to State College, didn't they leave early afternoon Friday? Say 5 hours if it really sucks, that's still less than going to Dartmouth in perfect weather. In Williamsport, a bit past halfway to State College, the forecast says rain and at or above freezing, a "wintry mix" around 9 pm when they should be at the hotel.
Hopefully they don't head to State College
Quote from: CU2007Hopefully they don't head to State College
LOL! That would definitely be the scenic route to Columbus ...
6-hour bus ride? Doesn't sound like fun.
they pretty much had to drive thru it if they left anytime after lunch. might have been rain though and 60mph winds
Quote from: CU2007Hopefully they don't head to State College
Fact checking is part of the fun here.
Quote from: mike19606-hour bus ride? Doesn't sound like fun.
My mapping app says it's over 7 hours.
6 hours is getting to Hanover or Allston with a stop, which they do often.
A few minutes with Coach Buczek about the team and the game against Ohio State. I wish we could get an update on Mikey Long tho.
https://omny.fm/shows/between-the-lines-1/cornell-mens-lacrosse-head-coach-connor-buczek-2
Cornell 4 5 3 4 -- 16
Ohio State 2 1 5 5 -- 13 Final
Cornell dominated most stats except faceoffs. Shots C60-39, SOG 31-21. GBs, 36-31. TOs comitted, TOSU 20-12. Clears C21x22, TOS 20-23 (just 2x4 final period). FOs, TOSU 19-14. Cornell got 3 penalties, Ohio State 6. Ierlan's save % was .381 (8 sv of 21 shots, his percentage fell off in the second half), Ohio State .484 (15 sv of 31 shots)
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Bunch of posts being hit by both sides in the first half. TOSU winning more faceoffs.
Cornell up 6-3 midway through the second quarter. Only 2G (on 4 shots) for CJ Kirst. C'mon, man. 7-3 with 5 minutes in the half. This means we are really better ... or we're about to suffer something of a letdown in the second half. Either one can be Cornell's style.
Halftime Cornell 9, Ohio State 3
Kirst 3G 0A (5 shots), Coyle 2G 2A. Shots, Cornell 30-17 (on-goal, 17-8). Saves, Cornell 5, TOSU 8. Faceoffs, TOSU 10-4. Turnovers committed by TOSU 9, Cornell 4. Turnovers caused, Cornell 9-4. Those last 2 take a little off the sting of our early-season faceoff prowess.
Second half -- TOSU and Cornell trade early goals, so 10-4. Then 10-5, 11-5 and 12-5 (Wirtheim gets his first of the season). Goals by seven Cornell players. Billy Coyle has 3G 2A now. The one downside to our scoring so many goals is there's a faceoff right after. Cornell's SOG and FO-won total (19) are close to matching TOSU's (18). 5 goals for TOSU, 3 goals and a pipe for Cornell, third quarter ends 12-8 Cornell. A 4-goal lead entering the fourth quarter is not that much.
Fourth quarter -- Cornell needs a goal to stanch the Ohio State run. Done, Piatelli, 13-8, followed by a TOSU faceoff win on a Cornell violation. Goal by Kirst with 12-1/2 to play, 14-8 and Cornell wins the following faceoff. TOSU goal, 14-9. I'd love to see a real-time probabilities read on odds of winnng with a Cornell 5-goal lead nearing 10:00 to play. And another goal by Billy Coyle, 15-9, 10:42 left. TOSU scores with exactly 10:00 to play, 15-10, I like Cornell's chances as much or more than a couple years back when Cornell went up 5-2 on Wisconsin 3 minutes into the NCAA semis; I seem to be blocking the outcome.
Cornell and Ohio State trade goals, 16-11 with 9 minutes to play. Christ, Kirst hit the post, must be 3? 4? 5? pipes this game. 7:25 Cornell goes up for :60 on a slash, shot gets saved; damn, that would've been the dagger. Cornell loses the ball on a shot clock violation with 5:25 left, TOSU (thank you) fails on the clear, down to 5:00 to go. 4:30 left, Kirst shoots wide, again, and a third time all in 15 seconds, but down to 4:13. TOSU screws up the clear. Basics, lads, concentrate on GBs and clears. Down under 4:00. Just over 2:00, Cornell +5 still. 16-12 with 0:46 left, 16-13 with :30 left. From here, TOSU needs a field goal, and Cornell has the ball.
Final, 16-13 Cornell. Ohio State got lucky in Q4, or Cornell ran out of gas late, or just bounces of the ball. Still, a W.
Cornell seems to step it with their second half adjustments, especially on defense. Then again, they are up 9-3 at the half.
Thanks for the updates!
Excellent half. Our defense is outstanding. Adler is a monster
Quote from: margolismCornell seems to step it with their second half adjustments, especially on defense. Then again, they are up 9-3 at the half.
I was reading, ah, I think it was about football halftime locker room coaching and inspiring and some players said, we got some water, went to the bathroom, went out and played the second half.
Big10 officiating feels a bit different
Lack of replays and some very strange calls
at 5-3, tOSU thought they had scored but the official apparently though it went off the corner instead of in and out
Cornell than ran off 4 unanswered, could have been very different if the goal was granted and we had been at 5-4 mid-2nd
Chase called for using his hand on the ball, did he think there was a restart and he put the ball in his stick? ball caught in gear?
Cornell defense forced turnover near crease, I thought dman was pushed in to our crease, officials gave ball to tOSU
anyways, glad to be up 9-3 at half =P
Seems like OSU gets every ground ball on faceoffs.
And Kelleher needs better shot choices.
OSU taking advantage of our O-middies having to play D.
At 12-6 Cornell, we can lose two-thirds of the FOs, pick up more GBs, trade them goal for goal, and finish the game with the score 18-12. But that's if, if and if.
2 and 27 caught on D again.
Not a good period giving up 5.
Didn't see but that's a really good win after a long bus ride in the winter. 60 shots to 39 on the stats! We're playing some defense out there.
Aiden Blake is missing all of his close in shots, Gimmees.
Cornell at Ohio State was doing all the blue-collar stuff good: GBs picked up, caused turnovers, clears. Also avoiding penalties. Except faceoffs.
One year Cornell will have a dominant FOGO and the next year the NCAA rule changes to, other team gets the ball after a goal.
Cascadden will be fine and gives us a chance on almost every draw
Quote from: scoop85Cascadden will be fine and gives us a chance on almost every draw
Agreed. And he's early in his career.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Cascadden will be fine and gives us a chance on almost every draw
Agreed. And he's early in his career.
By May we may be thinking of Face-offs a strength.
MD-ND in 3rd Ot
the one thing today was that the FO game was really a staleement much of the time and few breakout goals.
Quote from: upprdeckthe one thing today was that the FO game was really a staleement much of the time and few breakout goals.
Most resulted in 50-50 ground balls.
Interesting, CJ Kirst is usually pretty accurate at shooting. Today, 4x14. For the season's first four games, 20x50, .400. Ohio State-game stats below. But he also has more than a third of Cornell's goals, 20 in four games.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioMD-ND in 3rd Ot
Notre Dame, 13-12, in the third overtime. Not sure who I wanted to win. Other than the voters are probably dying for a reason to vote the Terps above Cornell. Announced attendance at Maryland, 6,001.
I watched most of the Md-ND game. Both teams are, IMO, playing on a noticably higher level than Cornell.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioMD-ND in 3rd Ot
Notre Dame, 13-12, in the third overtime. Not sure who I wanted to win. Other than the voters are probably dying for a reason to vote the Terps above Cornell. Announced attendance at Maryland, 6,001.
All shall be resolved in May.
Quote from: mike1960All shall be resolved in May.
The way you post, it sounds almost biblical.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioMD-ND in 3rd Ot
Notre Dame, 13-12, in the third overtime. Not sure who I wanted to win. Other than the voters are probably dying for a reason to vote the Terps above Cornell. Announced attendance at Maryland, 6,001.
All shall be resolved in May.
There's a podcast called "The Crease Dive," Two guys perform on it. In their episode for last Thursday (I think it was then: S6E6) they were positively jubilant Ivy teams lost. The began by saying six Ivies had lost, but only talked about the three that actually lost. Even so, when they corrected themselves: seven Ivies play lacrosse, they said they didn't consider Dartmouth. They never mentioned any of the games Ivy teams won. They also never mentioned that these were the first games the Ivies played in 2023, with most of their opponents having 2 or even three games under their belts, plus a whole extra month of team practice.
And once they got past their celebration of Ivy losses, they had serial orgasms discussing Notre Dame. One would think the Kavanaghs were the second coming of the Gate brothers.
After wasting my time on this trash, I wanted nothing more than for Notre Dame to lose. I also felt the respect Tillman and Donville paid to Cornell last May deserved some reciprocation, not to mention that Tillman's Cornell '91.
Quote from: SwampyAfter wasting my time on this trash, I wanted nothing more than for Notre Dame to lose.
*That's* what it took for you to root against ND?
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: SwampyAfter wasting my time on this trash, I wanted nothing more than for Notre Dame to lose.
*That's* what it took for you to root against ND?
No. They had me at Amy Coney Barrett (https://law.nd.edu/news-events/news/2022-law-review-justice-amy-coney-barrett/). ::flipd::
They had me at 2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Lacrosse_Championship).
Highlights of the win at Columbus. It looks like the offense is really improving -- lots of good ball movement and guys getting open off the ball.
Can anyone tell if it's a pass or a shot at 1:55 in the 3rd quarter? It hits our guy in the helmet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QAB5bqeXD8
Quote from: mike1960Can anyone tell if it's a pass or a shot at 1:55 in the 3rd quarter? It hits our guy in the helmet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QAB5bqeXD8
Assassination attempt?
Lacrosse polls after the fourth game of the season (for many teams; 5 for Maryland, Loyola, Rutgers, Penn State, TOSU, 6 for Hopkins). Top four are the same: Virginia, Notre Dame, Cornell -- the only unbeatens -- and Maryland. Cornell is now over 400 points in the media poll; Virginia has 456 and 19 of 23 first place votes. No first place votes for Cornell.
The other Ivies are outside the top ten: Yale 11 was 13, Princeton 14 was 5, Penn 15 was 10. In the also-rans of teams receiving votes, Syracuse lands there along with BU, Harvard, Brown, Dartmouth. But none of the Yale, Princeton, Penn games will be gimmes.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Unbeaten Dartmouth still outside the top 20.
I'm assuming no updates on Long. In some ways it bodes well that we are playing well while missing a key player. What improvements do you expect from the team once he's back and hopefully playing at 100%?
I wonder if he is in active directory and taking classes? That might tell us something, If he was out for the yr he might bail so he could come back.
Guess we have no spies watching practice.
Quote from: upprdeckI wonder if he is in active directory and taking classes? That might tell us something, If he was out for the yr he might bail so he could come back.
Guess we have no spies watching practice.
Long will be back this year.
Quote from: srg1Unbeaten Dartmouth still outside the top 20.
Big Green have wins of 1, 3, 4 and 11 (over 0-6 Holy Cross). This Saturday, at North Carolina.
Quote from: scoop85Long will be back this year.
Good to know! But I hope it's sooner than Aiden Blake came back last year ...
Weather forecast has improved from snow during the game to 1-3 inches of snow Friday night with Saturday temps peaking at 33 degrees. Saturday 12 noon, at Schoellkopf.
Thank goodness former Cornell current Penn State coach Jeff Tambroni got his 100th PSU win last week vs. Penn, else it'd be the pregame storyline on every lax site thinking that's the obvious pre-game lede that no one else will use.
Nice that one trip to Ithaca for the weekend nets us two hockey games -- two! two! not three -- and a lacrosse game. My warmest parka is blue so I gotta find a red slicker to wear over it. Memo to self: pack the chemical warming packets for the gloves.
if they dont the ticket system fixed it could be fun as they scramble on how to get people in to watch.
Going to be another interesting weather game for the boys today.. Snowing pretty hard in some spots and may snow for a while yet with the wrap around snow bands.
Offense doing nothing. Several dumb skip passes.
Very frustrating half so far, but defense holding strong. Offense needs to pass the ball around. Too much isolated initiation.
PSU is doing a good job of shutting down CJ, which is part of our offensive problem.
Quote from: dag14PSU is doing a good job of shutting down CJ, which is part of our offensive problem.
The problem is there aren't enough other options.
Strange management of that final 30 seconds of the third.
Keep throwing it away
Horrid offensive performance, while the D and especially Ierlan have been excellent. 8 minutes to try to salvage the game.
No problem with the D. the problem there was the 2-3 complete breakdowns for easy goals and still held them to 10 or so which is fine
The offense.. poor shooting. some just awful passing and the inability to handle the doubles to find anyone open.
Quote from: upprdeckNo problem with the D. the problem there was the 2-3 complete breakdowns for easy goals and still held them to 10 or so which is fine
The offense.. poor shooting. some just awful passing and the inability to handle the doubles to find anyone open.
Shame to waste a fantastic performance by Ierlan, who not only had a career high in saves but made a lot of tough saves.
Offense was completely stymied without Long. 1st line middies are largely ineffective, and Blake still seems limited by his knee. No easier next week in New Haven. Hopefully Long is able to return and we hit the reset button.
Too many passes to no one on offense and inability of the team to beat anyone man on man..
The offense today reminded be of the Kerwick years. No strategy, no focus, no concentration of attack. Pointless poor passing around the perimeter with no evidence of a game plan or pre-conceived evidence of any real game management. Buzek needs to regroup this week big time or bad days are ahead. Krist cannot be the only option
for anyone curious penn state won 10-6
I missed the game today because I went to see another game. Looks like a good game to miss. I will say that Cornell lost 5 games last year and went to the championship game. A game like this will help the coaches highlight where the Big Red need to improve to make a run the final four. It's no fun losing, but it's almost as important how a team responds.
I'll post the same thing I posted in lax forum, because I am still frustrated:
What a frustrating game. I think it was easy enough to look past the offensive limitations in the previous games where we came out on top, but no more. If we fancy this team as serious contenders in late May, the offense needs to be better and more efficient, period. While I understand the attack is in flux with Long's absence, I do not think Piatelli is bringing enough to that unit currently, and would like to see others get a run. At the midfield, I really think Kelleher and Blake need to be split up. Blake is clearly not the player he was at the beginning of last season, and the manner in which they seem to be engaging the offense is redundant on the first line, and I think we'd be better served if they were split up.
That said, I said in a previous post that all that matters is continuing to improve as the season goes, and that is going to be the measure of our success. Unfortunately, the Ivy is not as strong as last year, so how we navigate league play is going to ultimately determine how this season turns out. A slip up to a tough (but not nationally respected team) is going to be an albatross.
Quote from: ugartefor anyone curious penn state won 10-6
You have a talent for being snarky but in a nice way. Yeah, somebody ought to mention the final score.
We hold teams to 10 goals, we should be able to win most games. We had a couple of passes / clearing passes easily intercepted, at least two, that led to PSU goals or took away goals we might have had. We have to gear ourselves for losing more faceoffs in MLax than the hockey team wins.
No snow at the game and the field was nice and clean. Note that elements of the pep band were out. A tuba and drum is like ten trumpets.
Had to believe Slope Day (5/10) is less than two months off.
Week to prepare for Yale's ride and yet can't get across midfield.
Yale's defense seems to get better as games go on so it's great that we've accumulated a big lead early.
Yale can't afford a high-resolution camera?
I think this game is answering the question of 'How important is Michael Long to our offense?' pretty well
Quote from: Al DeFlorioYale can't afford a high-resolution camera?
I wondered if I needed to go see my optometrist
Quote from: semsoxI think this game is answering the question of 'How important is Michael Long to our offense?' pretty well
I saw this, didn't know Long was back and thought "Uh oh." To spare others the heartburn: Long was back, 3G 1A, and Cornell won 20-10.
Quote from: JasonN95Quote from: semsoxI think this game is answering the question of 'How important is Michael Long to our offense?' pretty well
I saw this, didn't know Long was back and thought "Uh oh." To spare others the heartburn: Long was back, 3G 1A, and Cornell won 20-10.
Sometimes hard to tell with the 1950s picture quality, but it looked to me that Coyle was mostly at X and Long was on left wing, a la John Piatelli. May explain Coyle's six assists today.
Eleven assists for Cornell, one for Yale.
Great to see Long back and apparently at full strength. Having Coyle at X and Long on the wing is not something I would have expected, but it worked! This offense is just so much harder to defend with Long, no matter where he is.
In other lax news, PSU loses to Marquette (!) in the Metro Cup on Long Island. Video here, with color commentary by none other than RP3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4EU9WTN8-8
Quote from: Al DeFlorioYale can't afford a high-resolution camera?
I put this on 32" monitor and looked up close. At times it looked like standard def but at least once I saw a focus shift (as in, to out-of-focus) and then back. As we, too, have done too often at Schoellkopf, the video guy -- sorry, Ivy League cinematographer -- shows a half-field view when most all the action is within 15 yards of the goal. And yet, at Yale, it was also as if he locked the pan head, took a swig of coffee, savored the taste, and was unconcerned that passes to the middies were sometimes outside the already wide frame. Damn, you can rent decent video techs cheap; their supply outweighs demand.
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You didn't need to tell us 3 times, bill! **]
The rude awakening from Penn State last week at Schoellkopf followed by PSU's 12-11 loss today to Marquette in a game on Long Island (MacArthur HS) and Cornell's shattering dominance of Yale, 20-10, at the Eli's excellent non-football stadium suggests Cornell had a one-game hiccup that resolved itself.
It was a Cornell blowout after Yale got 2 quick goals:
#7 Cornell 8 4 4 4 -- 20
#8 Yale 2 2 1 5 -- 10
And with Michael Long playing his first 2023 game, the attack scoring was solid and balanced:
Billy Coyle 2 6 -- 8
CJ Kirst 5 0 -- 5 (on 7 shots)
Michael Long 3 1 -- 4 Not to revisit Cornell teams of the very recent past, but imagine if Jeff Teat played with Coyle, Kirst or Long (pick two), how could other teams try to isolate Teat out of the game?
Chayse Ierlan was insanely good in goal: 21 saves on 31 shots, .677. Yale's Jared Paquette was the inverse, 11 saves on 31 shots, .354.
The only damage Cornell could have and did not inflict on Yale was ending attackman Matt Brandau's goal-scoring streak at 44 games. Held in check most of the game by Gavin Adler, he broke loose for a single goal midway through the fourth. Not gonna help his Tewaaraton odds.
Cornell dropped from 3 to 7 in the polls after Penn State, so how much does Cornell rise by doubling the score on the team one position below us? And #5 Penn State will fall how far?
god i love this thread
Quote from: ugartegod i love this thread
For so many reasons.
This game against Yale was like a dream--winning half the faceoffs, winning the ground balls, AND Michael Long was playing. I was actually surprised to see the stats at the end of the game--50% on faceoffs and ahead only 34-32 on ground balls--seemed like Cornell was dominating both stats through three quarters. So happy to have Long back--the games don't get easier even if, on paper, the Ivies are not nearly as good as they were last year.
We find out soon who is who in the Ivies
Dart plays UNC today than in 2 weeks Harvard/cornell/yale
Harv might be the 2nd best but who knows.
Princeton has fallen off a cliff so far but 3 one goal losses will make it look worse
Penn has lost to good teams
Penn state has taken out half of the ivies so far it seems
Quote from: djk26I was actually surprised to see the stats at the end of the game--50% on faceoffs and ahead only 34-32 on ground balls--seemed like Cornell was dominating both stats through three quarters.
It seemed like that mostly because our gbs and fos came at more important times or plays in the game. On faceoffs often a win is awarded even though it's only momentary and doesn't result in a significant offensive possession.
Many reasons for this to be a sweet W. Princeton was historically our biggest lacrosse rival, but now it's Yale. AND they chose this game for their Lacrosse Alumni Weekend. A beautiful public flogging.::rock::
Superb effort on the part of a Big Red team coming off an uninspired and unimaginative (offensive) game vs PSU. I give unqualified credit to Connor Buzek and his coaching staff who have Cornell on a trajectory that is simply inspiring. CU has a coaching treasure in Buzek and he and Jordan Stevens need to be signed on for the long term.
Welcome back Mikey Long, you were sorely missed. And with Aiden Blake showing signs of shaking off the post-injury doldrums the year is looking brighter and better particularly following yesterday's triumph.
Depth like we haven't seen in years, fantastic coaching, so much positivity surrounding this team.
Go Big Red!
Why is the game this week on a Sunday?
Quote from: upprdeckWhy is the game this week on a Sunday?
I would imagine it is because the folks at ESPNU needed content for the noon EDT Sunday slot.
Quote from: finchphilQuote from: upprdeckWhy is the game this week on a Sunday?
I would imagine it is because the folks at ESPNU needed content for the noon EDT Sunday slot.
Right.
Cornell climbs to #5 this week.
Heard on the local news this morning, that CJ has a younger brother who's a freshman at Syracuse, joining his older brother Cole, who's a grad student transfer from Leigh. Too bad they're not on our schedule this year.
they love the Cs in that famil
Connor, Colin, CJ, Caden . Cole.
but I dont see another Kirst on the SU roster?
Quote from: upprdeckthey love the Cs in that famil
Connor, Colin, CJ, Caden . Cole.
but I dont see another Kirst on the SU roster?
A brief Google search showed that the youngest brother, Caden, a goalie, apparently committed to Rutgers. Perhaps the reporter was mistaken, thinking grad transfer Cole was an SU freshman? Or I misheard. Anyhow, if Caden's as good a goalie as CJ is an attacker, he could transfer to Cornell once Ierlan is gone?
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Why would he transfer? His older brother Colin was the Rutgers goalie last year (a senior, now graduated, 2nd team AA), and their father also played for Rutgers.
CJ vs Colin was the big story line of the Cornell-Rutgers NCAA semifinal game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ocAdYGopQ
Quote from: CU77Why would he transfer? His older brother Colin was the Rutgers goalie last year (a senior, now graduated, 2nd team AA), and their father also played for Rutgers.
Wishful thinking on my part! Also, life would be much easier for their mother. Not to mention, Cornell scored 17 goals on his brother - CJ only had three of them.
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Quote from: upprdeckWhy is the game this week on a Sunday?
Cornell-Penn get a marquee matchup on cable, not just streaming. The 12 noon Sunday start also has no competition from D1 basketball games until 2:20 pm. And on Sunday more HS players will be able to watch.
Penn comes into Schoellkopf rated 16/15 depending on polls, 3-3 overall, 1-0 Ivy, wins over Georgetown, St. Joe's (OT), Princeton (9-8 OT), losses to Duke by 2, Penn State by 6, Villanova by 1. So, only one game decided by more than 2 goals. Game on cable, ESPNU, as well as streaming, 12 noon.
Some interesting talk about Penn's senior middie Sam Handley (feels like this is his 5th or 6th year at Penn, b/c of Covid) being overrated. IL's Terry Foy in running down his personal top 20 (Penn 15, Cornell 6) links to mean-spirited tweets. One supporter notes Handley's career PPG of 4.13 is better than Tom Schreiber and Paul Rabil. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/terry-s-top-20-how-big-is-the-top-tier-/60998
Foy on Corell: "I knew I dropped Cornell too far last week [to 12] (and said as much in that writeup) [so why did he drop Cornell that far?], and there's a reasonable possibility that they're still a spot too low — would I pick the Big Red to beat Rutgers [No. 5] on a neutral field right now? Probably."
Quote from: billhowardPenn comes into Schoellkopf rated 16/15 depending on polls, 3-3 overall, 1-0 Ivy, wins over Georgetown, St. Joe's (OT), Princeton (9-8 OT), losses to Duke by 2, Penn State by 6, Villanova by 1. So, only one game decided by more than 2 goals. Game on cable, ESPNU, as well as streaming, 12 noon.
Some interesting talk about Penn's senior middie Sam Handley (feels like this is his 5th or 6th year at Penn, b/c of Covid) being overrated. IL's Terry Foy in running down his personal top 20 (Penn 15, Cornell 6) links to mean-spirited tweets. One supporter notes Handley's career PPG of 4.13 is better than Tom Schreiber and Paul Rabil. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/terry-s-top-20-how-big-is-the-top-tier-/60998
Foy on Corell: "I knew I dropped Cornell too far last week [to 12] (and said as much in that writeup) [so why did he drop Cornell that far?], and there's a reasonable possibility that they're still a spot too low — would I pick the Big Red to beat Rutgers [No. 5] on a neutral field right now? Probably."
Yale just got clobbered by Princeton 23-10 in a game, that like last week, wasn't even as close as the score. Yale looks like a team that is checking out.
There doesn't seem to be a dominant team or couple of teams this year. It looks like 5 or 6 can compete for everything. If Cornell keeps improving, I like our chances. We've said a lot on here about Coach Buczek, and rightly so, but to point out the obvious, Jordan Stevens has also been doing a fantastic job with the defense. We're in every single game if the D can keep holding the other team to 10 or fewer.
That's how to start a game.
More hard cuts off ball and some off ball picks! We're making it way too easy for the Penn D to mark all our guys on O. Some good on-ball picks, but no off-ball screens.
Penn 4, Good Guys 3, first quarter.
I guess you need a TV provider service to stream. Not available on ESPN+.
Might be free on ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/0f8a4702-2140-40a0-8319-a0b56080a1f8
Coach Buczek is a little hot.
Quote from: mike1960Might be free on ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/0f8a4702-2140-40a0-8319-a0b56080a1f8
Unfortunately, no. That link is requiring me to sign in with a tv provider.
No radio today, either. This is a game where the decision to cut the radio broadcasts particularly hurts.
Thanks for your updates, Mike. I'll rely on this thread and stat tracker. LGR!
Quote from: RichHI guess you need a TV provider service to stream. Not available on ESPN+.
I'm watching on ESPN+ since my cable package doesn't include the U.
Penn 7, Good Guys 9, at the half. Chayse has missed a couple and has also been amazing on a couple of saves. Cornell doing a solid job on faceoffs, either winning the draw or using good wing play to get most of the wins. Penn has scored twice on inverts going to Ierlan's left. They also scored twice on step downs from around 15 when the defense did not rotate quickly enough. Cornell is scoring mostly on outstanding individual play, not great team play. The Penn goalie has been beat three times on bounce shots at his feet. Mikey Long is not in uniform today and it really shows. Adler is doing a great job on their leading goal scorer, who has only one and a couple of assists.
Much better team offense now. Cornell is forcing Penn to rotate a lot. They can't keep it up forever, and Cornell is finding the backdoor and step down. Penn 9, Cornell 12, middle of the 3rd.
Helmet to helmet to Billy Coyle. Cornell gets 2 minutes non-releasable. Scored 1. Penn 9, Cornell 13. 3 minutes left in the 3rd.
Really nice play at 12-9... a clean steal in the offensive zone as Penn was trying to pass it around after a ground ball. Led to a hard hit in front of the crease for a 2 minute non-releasable. Kirst with a nice goal 30 seconds in, but that was the only scoring on the man-up.
As I'm typing, Shipley scores for Penn to make it 13-10 with 2 minutes left in the third.
Good quarter, end of the 3rd.
Penn 10, Good Guys, 14.
Overall, Cornell looks like the better team, but Penn is not going anywhere.
CJ has Teat-like accuracy with his shots.
Kirst with a little French pastry, but alas no goal.
2 turnovers in a row for Cornell. Getting sloppy with the ball. Handley blasts from 20.
Penn 11, Cornell 15. 10:47 to go in the 4th.
Win on the face by Petrakis. Numbers. Passes to CJ. Goal.
Penn 11, Cornell 16.
The refs have decided not to call the push in the back today.
18-12 final. Team looked real good from what I saw.
Petrakis to CJ was great - clean win and sprint to the goal on the faceoff, dish to a wide-open Kirst to snap it in. Dominant at the X too, but I don't know if that is a consistent Penn weak spot.
Final score: Penn 12, Cornell 18.
The team looked solid offensively in the second half without Long. They moved the ball well and found the open shooter with the extra pass. CJ is a great scorer, one of the best, if not the best, in the country. The Penn star Sam Handley scored three or so, but he did not light it up thanks to good play by Adler. Cornell did a great job at the faceoff and minimized the number of possessions for Penn. Cornell was beast-like on ground balls today. Ierlan made some terrific saves in the second half. The cameras actually followed the ball, and the lenses did not look like they were covered with Vaseline. Terrific win!
Long hurt again? That's not good
If Cornell wins faceoffs at this clip going forward (they won't), they'll win the national championship.
Quote from: CU2007Long hurt again? That's not good
They said it was a game time decision, so we can only hope with this week off he'll be ready to go for the 2nd half of the season.
Game highlights. (https://youtu.be/FOb0ti3OUg8) Confirms my impression that Anish and Quint spent more time talking to each other than doing the play-by-play.
Quote from: George64Game highlights. (https://youtu.be/FOb0ti3OUg8) Confirms my impression that Anish and Quint spent more time talking to each other than doing the play-by-play.
I can't stand to watch them. It's the Howard Cosell school of broadcasting. Jabber, jabber, jabber.
But for what it's worth, the editing of that clip was horrendous, too.
Quote from: George64Game highlights. (https://youtu.be/FOb0ti3OUg8) Confirms my impression that Anish and Quint spent more time talking to each other than doing the play-by-play.
Two great non-scoring plays got no comment because Quint and Anish were chatting. CJ Kirst extended his stick high up and intercepted a Penn pass deep in their zone to steal a possession, and Wallace came in to double and physically turn away Handley when he was attempting to spin around Adler. I'm a big fan of Wallace who plays a fierce, physical game.
But those faceoff guys, though...
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: George64Game highlights. (https://youtu.be/FOb0ti3OUg8) Confirms my impression that Anish and Quint spent more time talking to each other than doing the play-by-play.
I can't stand to watch them. It's the Howard Cosell school of broadcasting. Jabber, jabber, jabber.
But for what it's worth, the editing of that clip was horrendous, too.
The primary reason that I watch games with the mute button engaged.
They were announcing from their basements. Didn't realize ESPN was doing it this way. They seemed disengaged and quint was absolutely refusing to take the bait and give Cornell due credit despite his partners prompting. Par for the course I guess.
Quote from: arugulaThey were announcing from their basements. Didn't realize ESPN was doing it this way. They seemed disengaged and quint was absolutely refusing to take the bait and give Cornell due credit despite his partners prompting. Par for the course I guess.
We're seeing cost concerns at work. This is not NC$$ hoops but college lacrosse. It may be the cost of two air tickets into and out of Ithaca, plus two nights in a hotel, has an impact. Or the time driving to and from. Kessenich can only do so much in a week and for all the work he does on lax, wrestling, horse racing etcetera for TV and online, he's super busy. But still:
If ESPN-X (whichever not-primary ESPN channel) has the announcing pair working from homes, ESPN ought to send around a lighting specialist and set designer (read: install a greenscreen) so it doesn't look like two guys working out of two basements. Maybe morph them onto a single set.
I hope they have a whisperer in the Schoellkopf press box to queue them to anything they may be missing from the feed.
Meanwhile, did anybody else get excited seeing the teaser for Cornell-Syracuse lacrosse Tuesday on ESPN-U and think this traditional game got re-added when some other opponent dropped out? Oops, that's Cornell and Syracuse women playing, 6 pm. It showed up a couple times, but I didn't hear it announced.
I suspect that cost was only part of the issue. They probably asked Quint and Anish if they wanted to go to Ithaca and were told "No Fucking Way, that is not in the ACC or B10."
Quote from: arugulaThey were announcing from their basements. Didn't realize ESPN was doing it this way. They seemed disengaged and quint was absolutely refusing to take the bait and give Cornell due credit despite his partners prompting. Par for the course I guess.
I guess he was a little more convinced by watching Cornell live...er...on TV yesterday. In this week's rankings, Quint has us #5 behind the four ACC/B1G heavyweights of UVA, ND, MD, Duke. Hard to argue that Cornell's resume so far is stronger than any of those teams. He was very complimentary in his write up.
Quint's top 20 for March 27, 2023 (https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-march-27-2023/)
Quote from: Quint KessenichThe Big Red's transformation from an ugly home loss against Penn State to a road demolition of Yale in one week was eye-opening. I like the Cornell offense a lot. Their defense is sound and Ierlan is clicking with a strong save percentage, he doesn't let in soft goals. My questions would center on the depth of the SSDM position, faceoffs, and middle of the field capability when they have to play a more athletic team from the ACC or Big Ten. Lots to like here. Cornell is the favorite in the Ivy League, and a title contender.
Seven games in, 6-1 Cornell climbs from 7 to 5 in the USILA polls, remains at 5 in the media poll. The top seven have one loss each except Maryland and Rutgers with two. Via the USILA poll :
1. Notre Dame 520 was 2
2. Maryland 489 was 3
3. Virginia 449 was 1
4. Duke 443 no change (10 games already played, 9-1)
5. Cornell 408 NC
6. Rutgers 396 NC
7. Villanova 329 was 10
8. Hopkins 303 was 9 (has 3 losses )
9. Penn State 289 was 5 (" " )
10. Loyola 258 was 12(" " )
...
12. Yale 247 was 8 (" " )
13. Army 229 NC
16. Penn 151 was 17 (" " )
20. Princeton 34 was 18 (3-4)
Also votes: Dartmouth (first Ivy win since 2015, OT vs. Harvard)
One thing our ESPNU announcers mentioned during the Penn game, when they weren't distracted by doing the play by play, was: polls-schmolls, what matters to the NCAA seeding committee is RPI, and with the Ivies comparatively weak this year, it could be a two-bid Ivy League participation in the 2023 tournament. Cornell will likely go and whoever else goes (Yale? Penn? Princeton?) isn't getting much of a bump beating fellow Ivy teams. For Cornell that could mean a non-top-four seeding unless one of the top four loses one or two more games.
Cornell's two most challenging games should be:
@ Army 4/15 noon
Princeton 4/29 noon
All that and, he's covering his bases. Doesn't want Cornell to sneak up on the experts two years in a row.
Brown knocks off Villanova today, 13-11, thanks to 22 saves vs. V's 8.
No idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would mame it much clearer.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: arugulaThey were announcing from their basements. Didn't realize ESPN was doing it this way. They seemed disengaged and quint was absolutely refusing to take the bait and give Cornell due credit despite his partners prompting. Par for the course I guess.
We're seeing cost concerns at work. This is not NC$$ hoops but college lacrosse. It may be the cost of two air tickets into and out of Ithaca, plus two nights in a hotel, has an impact. Or the time driving to and from. Kessenich can only do so much in a week and for all the work he does on lax, wrestling, horse racing etcetera for TV and online, he's super busy. But still:
If ESPN-X (whichever not-primary ESPN channel) has the announcing pair working from homes, ESPN ought to send around a lighting specialist and set designer (read: install a greenscreen) so it doesn't look like two guys working out of two basements. Maybe morph them onto a single set.
I hope they have a whisperer in the Schoellkopf press box to queue them to anything they may be missing from the feed.
Meanwhile, did anybody else get excited seeing the teaser for Cornell-Syracuse lacrosse Tuesday on ESPN-U and think this traditional game got re-added when some other opponent dropped out? Oops, that's Cornell and Syracuse women playing, 6 pm. It showed up a couple times, but I didn't hear it announced.
Pre-covid, the cable sports networks were already doing this with European soccer games, and NBC had also done some lesser Olympics events from a studio. During the pandemic, the sports networks got accustomed to covering games from off-site, so this is here to stay. In DC, the Capitals didn't start sending the announcers to road games again until midway through last season.
The US broadcasts for Formula 1 — as obscenely affluent as a sport can be – have had cost constraints so the announcers worked out of a USA studio and IIRC had to rely on the Formula 1 feed, not even a single camera controlled by the Yanks.
I didn't realize the Caps had their announcers off the road for a period – in the very late end of Covid? But I'm so old school I still bristle at the idea the team TV announcers are really dancing to the tune of the team's interests, not the viewers'.
Despite that, there was Mike Emrick. Genius.
And Cornell's radio now webcast announcers are a very good bunch compared to the jokers, for the most part, other Ivy / ECAC schools have.
Quote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
Last year a big advantage to being #6 or #7 rather than #5 or #8. Maybe not so much this year with the big three (maybe four) pretty much evenly matched. Although UVA seems more explosive.
Our game against Brown will be tougher than it looks if just go by won-loss records. Brown had suspended four seniors for a noise violation (https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/men/suspended-seniors-return-in-browns-upset-of-no-6-villanova), and they returned this week to lead Brown to a victory over No. 6 Villanova.
In 2022, the path to championship Monday lay in avoiding Maryland. This year, there is no single dominant team. We coulda been gone in the quarterfinals last year given a different bracket. So could Maryland.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
If Cornell wins out, that means they win the Ivy tournament and finish 14-1. Cornell would 100% be a top 4 seed under those circumstances, possibly first overall. The teams ahead of us aren't all going to win out. In fact, that would be impossible since some of them will play each other, multiple times. Cornell controls its own destiny.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
If Cornell wins out, that means they win the Ivy tournament and finish 14-1. Cornell would 100% be a top 4 seed under those circumstances, possibly first overall. The teams ahead of us aren't all going to win out. In fact, that would be impossible since some of them will play each other, multiple times. Cornell controls its own destiny.
They went undefeated in 2007 and were seeded fourth behind three and four loss southern teams. So I'm not counting on anything in a sport that gives the committee discretion.
I re-watched some of the Penn game and I think I have a better appreciation of how our offense works. In one sense, it's pretty straightforward lacrosse: we drive the alley (Kelleher) to put stress on the defense, pass the ball around quickly because the ball moves faster than the defense. We break down defenses by forcing them to slide and switch until they are lost and out of position, leaving an offense player with high percentage shot -- a step down, back door, crease attack pass. But this offense requires good vision and absolutely requires that we make accurate passes to another player at the stick above the shoulder. If the pass is low or high, everything stops for us, and we have to get it cranked up again. We are not good when the man at X holds the ball when the defensive man is hung, or when one of our players holds the ball too long. We are not a cutting offense; it's rare to see a cutter, although often have a crease attackman ready in the middle.
We did not run this offense very often in the Penn State game. That game was all about individual dodges and shots (too many) from outside. Three of our six goals were unassisted and seemed to lead to many more attempts at unassisted goals. I think the only time we really ran our team offense was in the man-down situation close to the end of the game.
Going forward, I like our chances when we're moving the ball.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
If Cornell wins out, that means they win the Ivy tournament and finish 14-1. Cornell would 100% be a top 4 seed under those circumstances, possibly first overall. The teams ahead of us aren't all going to win out. In fact, that would be impossible since some of them will play each other, multiple times. Cornell controls its own destiny.
They went undefeated in 2007 and were seeded fourth behind three and four loss southern teams. So I'm not counting on anything in a sport that gives the committee discretion.
Looking back at 2007...what in the world? Was the Ivy League horrible that season? We beat Duke, Notre Dame, Princeton (all of whom made the tournament, Duke as the 1-seed), Syracuse...seems like a massive botch by the committee seeding us 4th. Still, I can't imagine something like that happens this year if we were to run the table, given where we currently sit (5th in the rankings at 6-1).
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
If Cornell wins out, that means they win the Ivy tournament and finish 14-1. Cornell would 100% be a top 4 seed under those circumstances, possibly first overall. The teams ahead of us aren't all going to win out. In fact, that would be impossible since some of them will play each other, multiple times. Cornell controls its own destiny.
They went undefeated in 2007 and were seeded fourth behind three and four loss southern teams. So I'm not counting on anything in a sport that gives the committee discretion.
Looking back at 2007...what in the world? Was the Ivy League horrible that season? We beat Duke, Notre Dame, Princeton (all of whom made the tournament, Duke as the 1-seed), Syracuse...seems like a massive botch by the committee seeding us 4th. Still, I can't imagine something like that happens this year if we were to run the table, given where we currently sit (5th in the rankings at 6-1).
Came down to RPI. Committee chair after the fact said they moved Cornell up a seed or two despite where Cornell ranked in RPI. The committee now looks at more (e.g., who'd you beat; who beat you) in making selections and seeding. See last year's correct decisions on Duke and ND.
The real crime in 2007 was being seeded below Hopkins. Hop was 1-4 against the other teams seeded 1 through 8, but somehow was seeded third. Ridiculous. But their SOS and RPI scores were high and that's what drove selection and seeding, to a fault. Too few games played in lacrosse to drive selection and seeding only by numbers, and the numbers (SOS, RPI) are too much a function of whom you played, not your wins and losses
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
If Cornell wins out, that means they win the Ivy tournament and finish 14-1. Cornell would 100% be a top 4 seed under those circumstances, possibly first overall. The teams ahead of us aren't all going to win out. In fact, that would be impossible since some of them will play each other, multiple times. Cornell controls its own destiny.
They went undefeated in 2007 and were seeded fourth behind three and four loss southern teams. So I'm not counting on anything in a sport that gives the committee discretion.
Looking back at 2007...what in the world? Was the Ivy League horrible that season? We beat Duke, Notre Dame, Princeton (all of whom made the tournament, Duke as the 1-seed), Syracuse...seems like a massive botch by the committee seeding us 4th. Still, I can't imagine something like that happens this year if we were to run the table, given where we currently sit (5th in the rankings at 6-1).
Came down to RPI. Committee chair after the fact said they moved Cornell up a seed or two despite where Cornell ranked in RPI. The committee now looks at more (e.g., who'd you beat; who beat you) in making selections and seeding. See last year's correct decisions on Duke and ND.
The real crime in 2007 was being seeded below Hopkins. Hop was 1-4 against the other teams seeded 1 through 8, but somehow was seeded third. Ridiculous. But their SOS and RPI scores were high and that's what drove selection and seeding, to a fault. Too few games played in lacrosse to drive selection and seeding only by numbers, and the numbers (SOS, RPI) are too much a function of whom you played, not your wins and losses
So as a result Hopkins got the much easier semifinal against upstart Delaware while we lost on the last second goal to Duke in the stifling heat. A rested Hopkins then went on to beat Duke in the final. Gotta believe had we gotten the 3 seed we would have taken the trophy.
I am hoping that with the warmer weather the passing continues to improve. the PSU game was played in cold conditions that didnt help in trying to move the ball around quickly..
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
If Cornell wins out, that means they win the Ivy tournament and finish 14-1. Cornell would 100% be a top 4 seed under those circumstances, possibly first overall. The teams ahead of us aren't all going to win out. In fact, that would be impossible since some of them will play each other, multiple times. Cornell controls its own destiny.
They went undefeated in 2007 and were seeded fourth behind three and four loss southern teams. So I'm not counting on anything in a sport that gives the committee discretion.
Looking back at 2007...what in the world? Was the Ivy League horrible that season? We beat Duke, Notre Dame, Princeton (all of whom made the tournament, Duke as the 1-seed), Syracuse...seems like a massive botch by the committee seeding us 4th. Still, I can't imagine something like that happens this year if we were to run the table, given where we currently sit (5th in the rankings at 6-1).
Came down to RPI. Committee chair after the fact said they moved Cornell up a seed or two despite where Cornell ranked in RPI. The committee now looks at more (e.g., who'd you beat; who beat you) in making selections and seeding. See last year's correct decisions on Duke and ND.
The real crime in 2007 was being seeded below Hopkins. Hop was 1-4 against the other teams seeded 1 through 8, but somehow was seeded third. Ridiculous. But their SOS and RPI scores were high and that's what drove selection and seeding, to a fault. Too few games played in lacrosse to drive selection and seeding only by numbers, and the numbers (SOS, RPI) are too much a function of whom you played, not your wins and losses
So as a result Hopkins got the much easier semifinal against upstart Delaware while we lost on the last second goal to Duke in the stifling heat. A rested Hopkins then went on to beat Duke in the final. Gotta believe had we gotten the 3 seed we would have taken the trophy.
Delaware's only weapon was a phenomenal FOGO who'd win cleanly, run down the field and score a goal before the defense could set up. Pietramala neutered him by having his FOGO jump the gun and give the ball to Delaware so Hop could get set on defense. Hop was just so much better than Delaware in all phases of the game except faceoffs it was no contest.
This led to a rules change where after so many faceoff violations in a half a team was assessed a man-down penalty.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNo idea after the top 3-5 teams who is good.. Too bad Cornell didnt beat PSU it would make it much clearer.
Indeed. We'd be top three except then how would the voters break apart the Virginia-Notre Dame-Maryland holy trinity so at least one of them would hold the top spot?
Cornell wins out including Army and Princeton, we might still be outside the top four seeds (Duke being the other).
If Cornell wins out, that means they win the Ivy tournament and finish 14-1. Cornell would 100% be a top 4 seed under those circumstances, possibly first overall. The teams ahead of us aren't all going to win out. In fact, that would be impossible since some of them will play each other, multiple times. Cornell controls its own destiny.
They went undefeated in 2007 and were seeded fourth behind three and four loss southern teams. So I'm not counting on anything in a sport that gives the committee discretion.
Looking back at 2007...what in the world? Was the Ivy League horrible that season? We beat Duke, Notre Dame, Princeton (all of whom made the tournament, Duke as the 1-seed), Syracuse...seems like a massive botch by the committee seeding us 4th. Still, I can't imagine something like that happens this year if we were to run the table, given where we currently sit (5th in the rankings at 6-1).
Came down to RPI. Committee chair after the fact said they moved Cornell up a seed or two despite where Cornell ranked in RPI. The committee now looks at more (e.g., who'd you beat; who beat you) in making selections and seeding. See last year's correct decisions on Duke and ND.
The real crime in 2007 was being seeded below Hopkins. Hop was 1-4 against the other teams seeded 1 through 8, but somehow was seeded third. Ridiculous. But their SOS and RPI scores were high and that's what drove selection and seeding, to a fault. Too few games played in lacrosse to drive selection and seeding only by numbers, and the numbers (SOS, RPI) are too much a function of whom you played, not your wins and losses
The insular schedule created all kinds of issues. I think this may have been the first year of the ACC tournament too? It allowed the SOS criteria to drop some weaker opponents from the calculation (I think only the best ten counted? And with the ACC tournament, those teams ended up playing a few more games than the ivies?). Hopkins got the benefit of being an independent and scheduling enough good teams for good SOS and enough bad teams to ensure a winning record.
Duke has taken advantage of schedule for a few yrs now. playing games with fall/spring games
Cornell went up 3-0 in the first 70 seconds, 10-2 at the first quarter break, then cruised the rest of the way, led by ~10 most of the second half. Final:
[b]Dartmouth 2 2 3 4 -- 11[color=#FF0000]
Cornell 10 4 4 4 -- 22[/color][/b]
CJ Kirst 5-1--6
Aiden Blake 4-0--4
Billy Coyle 2-2--4
Hugh Kelleher 4-0--4
Nice symmetry: 10 goal outburst in the first for Cornell, then 4 each period the rest of the way, and for the second week in a row, Cornell doubles an Ivy opponent. Cornell was 21x37 on faceoffs, which had been Dartmouth's strength. Ground balls, 44-25 Cornell.
Also Saturday, Ivies and Cornell opponents (and people we'd like to see lose):
Penn 17, Yale 16 (Penn 5 goals, Yale 2 in the fourth)
Harvard 14, Colgate 10
Army 12, Bucknell 7
Princeton 16 (2-1 Ivy now), Brown 12 (0-2)
Also:
Michigan 16, #2 Maryland 11, final, at Maryland. Wow, that drops the Terps to 6-3. They'll probably fall to fourth in the polls, only one place ahead of stuck-in-fifth-by-voters-who-don't-know-the-Civil-War-ended Cornell.
Friday, #4 Duke 16 (10-1, loss to Jacksonville, OT wins vs. Denver, Syracuse), @ #1 Virginia (7-2, losses to Maryland, Duke) 14.
Pre-game:
Cornell press release posits today's game against Dartmouth, 12/1 at noon at Schoellkopf (rainy, mid-60s), as the battle for league supremacy. This via a release on Inside Lacrosse naming Gavin Adler ("Alder" ) and CJ Kirst to the first team and Chase Ierlan to the third team.
Hard to think of Dartmouth as other than the Ivy League doormat. Last week, Dartmouth got its first Ivy win since 2015, in OT against Harvard. They're 1-0 Ivy vs. Cornell's 2-0, and both are 6-1 overall, Dartmouth's only loss versus North Carolina. In the polls, Dartmouth is also-receiving-votes versus Cornell's fifth place.
Cornell mid-season All-America choices: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2023-men-s-di-midseason-media-all-americans-duke-virginia-notre-dame-maryland-lead-the-way/61075
A-Connor Shellenberger, Virginia
A-CJ Kirst, Cornell
A-Brennan O'Neill, Duke
A/M-Matt Campbell, Villanova
M-Sam Handley, Penn
M-Thomas McConvey, Virginia
FO-Jake Naso, Duke
SSDM-Connor Maher, North Carolina
SSDM-Chet Comizio, Villanova
LSM-Roy Meyer, Boston U
D-Gavin Adler, Cornell
D-Brett Makar, Maryland
D-Owen Grant, Delaware
G-Will Mark, Syracuse
Cornell pre-game notes: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/3/29/mens-lacrosse-hosts-the-green-in-saturday-matinee.aspx
Inside Lacrosse, "How Dartmouth's Turnaround Has Been Building For Years": https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/-buckle-your-chinstrap-and-go-back-to-work-how-dartmouth-s-turnaround-has-been-building-for-years/61064
cornell fav by 8 was an interesting line i saw this week.
I'd call that a good start. 3-0 in about a minute.
Quote from: upprdeckcornell fav by 8 was an interesting line i saw this week.
1:04 in and Cornell is up 3-0 so if you can still get money on the over...
Looks like no Long again. Don't hate it if it increases his chances of playing during the stretch run
No Michael Long on attack, he's "game to game." Nice to see him next week, but we want him healthy in May and if he can come back in April, great.
Opened with 6 before Dartmouth got on the board. No two-goal streaks for Green. Cornell scores off of a kind of broken play when the D goalie made the save but left a rebound on the ground. 7-1. ~6 minutes left in Q1.
wow soft goal on a desperation sharp angle fling from blake with 1 second left on the shot clock. 8-1.
dartmouth used a timeout 1:04 into the game, changed goalies after blake's goal with ~4:30 left in Q1.
We'll score even when it's 7 on 6.
no change. it's 9-1 and it's crazy how patient cornell is being. they are working for open shots and always finding them. plus winning almost every faceoff.
grab a stick and you might be able to play in Q4. 10-1, 2:44 left in Q1 and Dartmouth took a second timeout.
Meanwhile, Penn up 5-1 on Yale, and you have to think there's a real chance Yale doesn't even make the ILT
What is Mikey Long's injury? Does anyone know?
Cornell 10, Dartmouth 2 at the end of the first quarter. Domination of the faceoff game.
I think Cornell tries not to roll past 20 goals as a matter of fair play. How do you hold this offense back? Probably play everybody. Use the entire 80 seconds of the shot clock.
flatter 2nd period for sure.. not as patient on offense.. some bad passing. Dart playing a bit better as well.
Quote from: upprdeckflatter 2nd period for sure.. not as patient on offense.. some bad passing. Dart playing a bit better as well.
they look like they took their foot off the gas tbh. i don't blame them. they are still playing aggressive defense, forcing turnovers, etc. it's now 12-3 with 5:31 left in the half so it's not like the lead is shrinking.
3 goals for Blake today. Looking much more confident than he did earlier in the season. We'll need production from our midfield, so great to see
Not sure why Singer didn't help on that invert iso.
14-4 Cornell at the half.
I've seen so many broken sticks this year in the college game. Is something up with the carbon fiber handles?
Michigan 6, Maryland 2 in 4Q
Edit: now says 2Q
20-9 halfway throught Q4. Downshifted significantly on O but not mass substitutions. D is still trying to force turnovers and everyone is still going for ground balls. Some really nice saves from the Dartmouth goalie, though as I was typing Cornell scored off of a timeout as a man-up was winding down to make it 21-9.
Ierlan given the rest of the day off.
sportsmanship here running the risk of getting this down to a single-digit margin. do not like! grind them in the dirt.
(timeout Dartmouth, 21-11, 3:20 left)
Luzzi, a frosh with his first cornell goal to make it 22-11... save from Knust... time ticking down... final.
Cruised to a win. Nice game overall. the D had a couple too many lapses, but Dooley looks like he's going to be a good one.
Penn 17, Yale 16 final
Elsewhere, Penn beats Yale 17-16, dropping Yale to 0-3 in the Ivy. Harvard beat Colgate 14-10, and Princeton is up 7-6 on Brown at the half.
Quote from: mike1960I've seen so many broken sticks this year in the college game. Is something up with the carbon fiber handles?
Other than cost?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioMichigan 6, Maryland 2 in 4Q
Edit: now says 2Q
Michigan is pouring it on Maryland.
15-9 with 6:09 left in the 4th.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioMichigan 6, Maryland 2 in 4Q
Edit: now says 2Q
Michigan is pouring it on Maryland.
15-9 with 6:09 left in the 4th.
Final 16-11; ND over Orange 11-10 3Q
For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.
Also on ESPN+
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.
I'm not sure who I want to lose more -- Notre Dame or Syrexcuse.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.
I'm not sure who I want to lose more -- Notre Dame or Syrexcuse.
Seems pretty obvious whose gonna lose at the moment. ND 19 - SU 12 with 3 mins left. ND playing four corners.
FWIW, Syracuse should have scored to take a 2 goal lead. When the ND goalie made the save on the goal, his stick fell into the net with the ball in it, but the refs missed that and didn't allow the goal.
Also Rutgers and Hop tied at 8 at halftime.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82For those who get ACC Network, they're showing the ND - Cuse game. Now tied at 11 with a minute left in the 3rd.
I'm not sure who I want to lose more -- Notre Dame or Syrexcuse.
Seems pretty obvious whose gonna lose at the moment. ND 19 - SU 12 with 3 mins left. ND playing four corners.
FWIW, Syracuse should have scored to take a 2 goal lead. When the ND goalie made the save on the goal, his stick fell into the net with the ball in it, but the refs missed that and didn't allow the goal.
It was tied when I left. Did Syrexcuse stop playing?
Su scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.
After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..
SU was stunned and it showed.
Quote from: upprdeckSu scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.
After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..
SU was stunned and it showed.
A goal occurs when a "loose ball" passes completely across the line through the plane of the goal. So if a goalie with possession of the ball rears back to pass and the ball passes the plane, that's not a goal. But if he drops it while rearing back and it goes behind the line, it's a goal.
Edit: I looked at the shot on ESPN. In my opinion, that was clearly a goal. For the goal NOT to count, the goalie must be in "possession" of the ball. Possession means a player is able to cradle and pass. The goalie was falling back and did not have possession of the ball. It's hard to believe an NCAA ref would make such a bad call.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckSu scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.
After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..
SU was stunned and it showed.
A goal occurs when a "loose ball" passes completely across the line through the plane of the goal. So if a goalie with possession of the ball rears back to pass and the ball passes the plane, that's not a goal. But if he drops it while rearing back and it goes behind the line, it's a goal.
Edit: I looked at the shot on ESPN. In my opinion, that was clearly a goal. For the goal NOT to count, the goalie must be in "possession" of the ball. Possession means a player is able to cradle and pass. The goalie was falling back and did not have possession of the ball. It's hard to believe an NCAA ref would make such a bad call.
The announcers on ACC network said the refs blew the call.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckSu scored to go up 12-11 then scored again to go up 13-11. Except the ref made a call on a ball everyone thought was a goal and as SU was stunned, ND ran back and scored won like the next 8 faceoffs SU barely got the ball again and got rolled.
After the game the reds claimed that a save was made and the ball was then carried into the goal by the goalie and thats allowed?? No idea that was a rule in LAX.. Even on the replay it looked like a goal and the save came after the ball crossed the line..
SU was stunned and it showed.
A goal occurs when a "loose ball" passes completely across the line through the plane of the goal. So if a goalie with possession of the ball rears back to pass and the ball passes the plane, that's not a goal. But if he drops it while rearing back and it goes behind the line, it's a goal.
Edit: I looked at the shot on ESPN. In my opinion, that was clearly a goal. For the goal NOT to count, the goalie must be in "possession" of the ball. Possession means a player is able to cradle and pass. The goalie was falling back and did not have possession of the ball. It's hard to believe an NCAA ref would make such a bad call.
You are correct MIke. Officially:
Rule 4 Section 11, Article 46 page 40 NCAA Rulebook
"A goalkeeper,
in possession of the ball, brings the crosse back
through the plane of the goal. RULING: Legal play,
no goal scored. (
Only a
loose ball beyond the plane of the goal counts.)
RULING: A goal is awarded to the opposing team."
That was the Syracuse announcing team. Untroubled by self-doubt.
Surprise! According to the Ivy League men's lax schedule page (https://ivyleague.com/calendar.aspx?path=mlax&season=2023), we've clinched a spot in the ILT semis and also the final. I believe in Buczek and yeah we've been dominant, but ...
looking at the standings. if we win sat to get to 4 wins and Penn beats Brown I think we clinch getting in,.
Cornell rises 1 spot to fourth in the week 8 (4/3/23) lacrosse media poll. There are now only four one-loss teams left in D1 (at least in the top 20): Duke, Notre Dame, Cornell and Army. Assuming Cornell gets past Harvard this weekend and Marquette Tuesday, there should be an excellent game at Army April 15, which plays at Colgate April 8. Be nice to see Michael Long back and in action then.
1. Duke
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. Cornell
5. Maryland
...
7. Army ("Army West Point" as they inflate their name like TOSU)
14. Penn
15. Princeton
Also with votes: Yale, Brown, but no longer Dartmouth. Also Marquette.
Media poll via IL (resolves to most current week): https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
Who knows the gametimes of the 2023 Ivy League lacrosse tournament? The league site has revealed, so far, only the dates. Although it's nice to see Cornell penciled in when you choose ivyleague.com Schedule > All Teams (screen grab).
For 2023, it's back at Columbia Friday and Sunday at the (talk about tapping multiple donors) at the Columbia University "Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium within the Baker Athletic Complex." https://gocolumbialions.com/news/2023/1/26/general-columbia-to-host-2023-ivy-league-mens-lacrosse-tournament.aspx
If it's like 2022 at Brown, it is:
Seeds 2, 3 Friday 5/5 6 pm
Seeds 1, 4 Friday 5/5 8:30 pm
Finals Sunday, 5/7 12 noon
Yes, I'm a Type A, but even if not, we've got weddings and graduations, weekend art classes, and opening our summer camp to think about. Be nice to know a month in advance.
Harvard is mired at 4-4 overall, with an Ivy win over Brown and an overtime loss to Dartmouth that gave Dartmouth its league first win since 2015. D is the only mutual opponent so far: C win 22-11, H lose 10-9. Harvard is a game Cornell should win but sometimes quirky things happen. 12 noon start time in Cambridge. Cornell makes the 5-1/2 hour bus ride home, classes resume Monday, then Marquette comes in Tuesday.
Cornell press release: Chasing 4-0 in the Ivy, Men's Lacrosse Visits Harvard (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/4/5/chasing-4-0-in-the-ivy-mens-lacrosse-visits-harvard.aspx)
I was at the Yale-BU lacrosse game earlier this week and was chatting with the parent of a BU player. BU defeated Harvard earlier this season, and lost to Yale Tuesday 17-14 in a game which wasn't as close as the score indicated. In any case, he told me that Yale is definitely a better team than Harvard, and that Cornell shouldn't have any trouble against Harvard itself. Of course we know that doesn't mean anything, and I already got an email from Harvard Athletics this morning promoting tickets to the game with the headline: Big Red on Upset Alert. But barring a poor game on Cornell's part, this should be a game we win.
if the improved play at the X continues they will be fine.
Quote from: upprdeckif the improved play at the X continues they will be fine.
Hoping Cascadden's injury doesn't slow that down.
I hope to see a going-away win against Harvard, but more I hope to see increasing improvement on offense and defense as we gear up for May. Players need to trust each other, make excellent passes, and move the ball. Against Dartmouth, there were at least two goals off cutters and sharp passes. I know this isn't our bread & butter, but it's a deadly weapon. And it's exciting to see. Teat was a master at hitting cutters from the lefty side. Just a thought.
I will be at the game tomorrow and hoping to see a good effort from the team, though I admit, my recent track record with live Cornell sporting events has been less than stellar:
vs. Princeton Men's Bball Ivy Semis (2022) - 73-77 L
vs. Maryland Lax Championship (2022) - 7-9 L
@BU Men's Hockey (2023) - 3-4 L
vs. BU Men's Hockey NCAAs (2023) - 1-2 L
Quote from: semsoxI will be at the game tomorrow and hoping to see a good effort from the team, though I admit, my recent track record with live Cornell sporting events has been less than stellar:
vs. Princeton Men's Bball Ivy Semis (2022) - 73-77 L
vs. Maryland Lax Championship (2022) - 7-9 L
@BU Men's Hockey (2023) - 3-4 L
vs. BU Men's Hockey NCAAs (2023) - 1-2 L
Please stay home. ::cry::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: semsoxI will be at the game tomorrow and hoping to see a good effort from the team, though I admit, my recent track record with live Cornell sporting events has been less than stellar:
vs. Princeton Men's Bball Ivy Semis (2022) - 73-77 L
vs. Maryland Lax Championship (2022) - 7-9 L
@BU Men's Hockey (2023) - 3-4 L
vs. BU Men's Hockey NCAAs (2023) - 1-2 L
Please stay home. ::cry::
No, go to the game, but wear your shoes on the wrong feet.
Another great start. Cascadden looks really solid.
* Another game with 3 goals in ~2 minutes.
* Lacrosse is the fastest game on foot and it caught the Harvard announcer flat-footed. On goal #2, a rebound, he said something like, "That happened so fast, a rebound ... I'll get you the name as soon as I can."
* Early action, the video guy has the camera set to a wide shot and still the player receiving the pass stays off camera for 2, 3, 4 seconds. I hope it's a good reason, such as too much weed last night, as opposed to: The guy needs a different profession.
Quote from: billhoward* Another game with 3 goals in ~2 minutes.
* Lacrosse is the fastest game on foot and it caught the Harvard announcer flat-footed. On goal #2, a rebound, he said something like, "That happened so fast, a rebound ... I'll get you the name as soon as I can."
* Early action, the video guy has the camera set to a wide shot and still the player receiving the pass stays off camera for 2, 3, 4 seconds. I hope it's a good reason, such as too much weed last night, as opposed to: The guy needs a different profession.
Is it asking too much to have a camera person who knows the game?
Cornell needs to beat those double teams by moving the ball instead of holding it.
Harvard has decided that they will not let CJ beat them. They are going to double and hound him. Someone else will need to step up.
Our offense is very impatient -- forcing passes to the crease attack, taking quick contested shots. We aren't working for hands-free, high-percentage shots.
up 4-2 with 4:41 left in the first half. Cornell is having trouble moving the ball and maintaining possession but the defense and ierlan have been great.
11 turnovers already
2 late goals from Harvard and it's tied at the half. Cornell has no flow on offense or, less navel-gazing, Harvard is flowing very well with the passing and cutting off anyone who tries to attack. Really excellent defense on both sides of the field.
Quote from: ugarte2 late goals from Harvard and it's tied at the half. Cornell has no flow on offense or, less navel-gazing, Harvard is flowing very well with the passing and cutting off anyone who tries to attack. Really excellent defense on both sides of the field.
I wish Coyle would stop dodging from X and just move the ball quickly from side to side. That's one of the things Mikey Long does so well. Our alley dodges are going to the right side, bringing the defense help toward Kirst. Instead, alley dodge left, swing it around X, and get it quickly to Kirst on a one-on-one and let him work.
More on the announcer: He's giving shoutouts to half the lacrosse world, the Crimson writer who's brother was on Yale's national championship team, the 914 area code, and "West Coaster" players.
I know the rule about offsides is complex -- at all times, 4 of the 10 players on the defensive side, 3 of the 10 on the offensive side, so I can see why after a possession change, Harvard ball in the Cornell end, and middie substitutions, he could proclaim, "We're back to 7-on-7 lacrosse."
Are we using new sticks? Why all the bad passes?
Nice adjustment to move CJ.
Not sure why Follows didn't help with the alley dodge on that last Harvard goal.
Impatient low percentage shots.
Harvard up 8-6 with 10 minutes left in the 4th. Offense looks constipated.
This looks like the Penn State game. Coyle dodging and shooting. Yes, he scored two in that game, but the team scored six.
Another bad pass and a fast break Harvard goal.
This was a definite step backwards. Let's hope Mikey Long is able to return soon.
Good play by the Harvard goalie. He made three or four A plus saves.
Agree with many of mike1960s observations
regarding the announcer, he would benefit from having a partner in the booth I think. hard to do color and PbP
They were able to hold off Kirst and with Long out for another game the rest of the team needed to make more happen.
With time winding down, trailing by 1 with 30secs still on the shot clock... Coyle forced a pass to the crease Attack in a crowd and Harvard ran the field to take a 2 goal lead with 2 to play. Sort of a microcosm of the day.
Harvard goalie was outstanding in the first 5 and the last 5 (even if our shot selection wasnt that great). With our FO dominance, it could have been a 5-6 goal lead in the 1st if he hadnt made some big stops.
Getting to the point where I would decline EMO, that unit hasnt found any rhythm at all
Is it too panicky to suggest that serious championship contenders don't lose to Harvard? Anyone see what UVa did at Carolina last night? That's what a serious contender does.
Quote from: arugulaIs it too panicky to suggest that serious championship contenders don't lose to Harvard? Anyone see what UVa did at Carolina last night? That's what a serious contender does.
We have to play as a team or we won't reach our goals. In the Penn State game, Coyle took 12 shots and scored twice; CJ took 15 shots and scored twice. The rest of the team took 13 shots.
In the Harvard game, where Harvard made a concerted effort to shut down CJ, the distribution was not as narrow but the results were similar. Coyle too 5 shots with no goals; CJ took 15 shots with 4 goals. The rest of the team took 19 shots.
As good as CJ is, we can't be a one-man team. We have to move the ball and make the defense work. So the loss doesn't bother me as much as the way we played.
On defense, we had lapses. Yes, some of Harvard's goals were excellent shots through narrow windows, but we were beat on basic split dodges, face dodges, and lack of help. In one case, we fell completely asleep and left an attack player alone on our front porch.
It's all about getting better. I expect we'll be ready against Marquette.
Part of me thinks: This is like the Cornell-Brown game (I believe Brown) where they figured how to shut off our offense, in that case clamping down on Jeff Teat. And now Harvard has possibly done the same thing to the 2023 offense where not even CJ Kirst is quite at Teat's level.
The other part thinks: hiccup. Big hiccup, still shouldn't have lost, treat this as a learning moment, crush Brown then Princeton, and get the 1-seed in the Ivy tournament. Harvard and Princeton are 2-1 now. Only Cornell 7-2 overall has fewer than three losses overall.
We should have won the Harvard game without Michael Long. It would be really nice to have him ready for Army next Saturday. PS Army has a full-length indoor field to practice on if there's snow and ice outdoors in February; be nice if we had that. (Army indoor arena not paid for, I understand, with defense funds.)
Today 4/8/23
Brown 12, Penn 11 @ Brown
Syracuse 16, Princeton 13 (this year Syracuse chose P as an Ivy opponent)
Yale 21, Dartmouth 11, Yale now 1-3 Ivy. Hard to believe it is just five years from Yale winning the NCAA championship to its first Ivy win requiring four games and meeting up with Dartmouth.
Thanks for that analysis. Sometimes need to be talked off the ledge.
After sleep-walking their way into a miserable loss to a mediocre Harvard team it will be very interesting to see how Cornell responds on Tuesday. I have a great deal of faith in both Buzek and Stevens' ability to right the ship but this team needs to understand that there is no free lunch. Marquette beat Penn State, a strong team, and Army is on a roll. Anyone remember last year's Army game? Cornell was never in it.
Anyone willing to comment on how the Big Red could squander such a dominant face-off advantage and turn it into a loss??? This should have been the same result as Yale/Dartmouth
Quote from: woodpileAfter sleep-walking their way into a miserable loss to a mediocre Harvard team it will be very interesting to see how Cornell responds on Tuesday. I have a great deal of faith in both Buzek and Stevens' ability to right the ship but this team needs to understand that there is no free lunch. Marquette beat Penn State, a strong team, and Army is on a roll. Anyone remember last year's Army game? Cornell was never in it.
Anyone willing to comment on how the Big Red could squander such a dominant face-off advantage and turn it into a loss??? This should have been the same result as Yale/Dartmouth
CJ Kirst is a great scorer, one of the best, but when a team decides to focus on shutting him down (and other teams certainly will), it might help for him to move from a mindset of a scorer to the mindset of a distributor. Often, when the team gets down, he takes it all on himself to get goals, even trying to beat double teams. And distributing the ball is not really his game. (2022: 55 goals, 24 assists; 2023: 43 goals, 9 assists). But getting other people involved will actually give him more opportunities to score as the defense has to account for other shooters like Blake and Piatelli. This is one reason why Teat and Pannell were so effective. Teat had 116 career goals and 152 assists. Pannell had 150 career goals and 204 assists. When things get tough and moving the ball is not working as well as it should, the offense should recommit to moving the ball better (more accurate, quicker passes), not relying on individuals trying to score on their own. 21 was selfless. That's the Cornell tradition.
It's one game. This week we rebound.
I bet we fall further in the standings than any other top ten team that lost over the weekend, and it will take longer to rebound. Curse of being a Northern / Ivy not-traditional Maryland-Virginia-Hopkins-Navy-Army team.
Interestingly, we didn't crash in the lax poll. 6
Quote from: billhowardCurse of being a Northern / Ivy not-traditional Maryland-Virginia-Hopkins-Navy-Army team.
Is the Maryland Mafia still a thing?
Quote from: TrotskyIs the Maryland Mafia still a thing?
Spiro Agnew may be dead and gone, but, yes, I believe there's an active conspiracy, headquartered somewhere in Baltimore, to protect the cherished originals of the sport. MTG would back me up.
Hopkins, Navy, Army, Maryland and Virginia won every lacrosse title 1954-1970
when it was a poll, including five years when it was a two- or three-way. There is a persistent belief among many (read: among schools not of the inner circle) that Cornell might have won one or two national titles had there been a playoff five years earlier, in the Harkness (yes, coached two sports) and Richie Moran-early years. Cornell went 12-0 (previous year: 4-7), 11-1, 12-0, 8-3 and 11-0, virtually all losses were in one of the first games.
To this five-school inner circle, add add North Carolina and Duke. All slave-owning states except Army. Once it became a playoff, Cornell won three of the next seven on the field. The most successful schools since then, measured by titles or final four appearances, would be Syracuse (10 titles 1988-2009 plus 1983) and Princeton (6 titles 1992-2001):
The only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or
a Big Ten school such as Penn State.
Loss to Harvard drops Cornell from #4 to #6 in the week 9 polls. Now #7 in RPI.
Media Poll / Insider Lacrosse: 1 ND, 2 Virgina, 3 Duke (minus 2 spots after loss to ND), 4 MD, 5 Penn State, 6 Cornell, 7 Army, 7 tie Hopkins (with 4 losses), 9 Rutgers (+3 beat Michigan in OT), 10 Georgetown. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
RPI: 1 ND, 2 Duke, 3 Virginia, 4 Hopkins, 5 Maryland, 6 Penn State, 7 Cornell, 8 Georgetown, 9 NC, 10 Denver. Marquette, Tuesday's opponent for Cornell, is 40th (vs. Also Got Votes, but so is Harvard this week after beating us 10-8) and Army is 19. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
USILA media poll. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls
[edit add:] The USILA / coaches' poll (bottom of post), which seems to come a day late (were the coaches-when-students this way handing in undergrad papers?) has Cornell one notch lower. This would be the only poll in the late sixties when Cornell was always below at least one school sometimes three at season's end. Every year save one with 1 or 0 losses, 1967-1970.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyIs the Maryland Mafia still a thing?
Spiro Agnew may be dead and gone, but, yes, I believe there's an active conspiracy, headquartered somewhere in Baltimore, to protect the cherished originals of the sport. MTG would back me up.
Hopkins, Navy, Army, Maryland and Virginia won every lacrosse title 1954-1970 when it was a poll, including five years when it was a two- or three-way. There is a persistent belief among many (read: among schools not of the inner circle) that Cornell might have won one or two national titles had there been a playoff five years earlier, in the Harkness (yes, coached two sports) and Richie Moran-early years. Cornell went 12-0 (previous year: 4-7), 11-1, 12-0, 8-3 and 11-0, virtually all losses were in one of the first games.
To this five-school inner circle, add add North Carolina and Duke. All slave-owning states except Army. Once it became a playoff, Cornell won three of the next seven on the field. The most successful schools since then, measured by titles or final four appearances, would be Syracuse (10 titles 1988-2009 plus 1983) and Princeton (6 titles 1992-2001):
The only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or a Big Ten school such as Penn State.
I thought the contemporary symptom was the Wall Street Lax Mafia (https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/wall-street-remains-occupied-lacrosse-bros/314926/) and that Princeton, Yale and Cornell were full on charter Douche Bros.
Quote from: billhowardThe only other teams to win have been Yale 2017, Denver 2015, Duke 2014 and 2013, and Loyola (Md.). Notre Dame or a Big Ten school such as Penn State.
I guess Hopkins (1987, 2005, 2007) counts as one of "those Big 10 schools?" (Joined B1G in 2014)
Sorry if my typing was confusing. In terms of post-1970 successes, Hopkins would be one of the noted "five-school inner circle" that continued to win but not at the pace of the polls-determine-champions years.
Actually, that power five has gotten little support from the service academies: Army never made it to the finals in the playoff years but did host Cornell in the first year in the semifinals and lost 17-16. Yes, epic game. Navy has been to the title game twice and lost. Maryland had a 42-year drought before winning.
Table below shows the playoff years. Syracuse has won 11 title games (the 1990 game was erased because of some 1990s-style scandal involving one of the Gaits). Hopkins has been to the most title games, 18, and is only .500, with a 17-year gap until 2005 and then nothing the past 15 years. Princeton had the most amazing string of titles in the 1990s, 5, plus 2001. Cornell as we know now s the longest gap without a title.
Via: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Lacrosse_Championship
Horrible camera work this afternoon. So far it is almost impossible to follow what is going on.
Nice to see Long back..
I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?
Quote from: mike1960I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?
Yes
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960I have to work today and can't watch but I saw the score 11-2 Cornell. How are they scoring? Are they moving the ball around and finding open shooters?
Yes
Good to hear!
Yes, great ball movement, picture-perfect offense
Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.
The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.
Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.
Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.
I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.
army is a big game in case we have an issue down the stretch in the Ivies. The way things are breaking the IVY might be a 1 bid team and we wont get much help from the league wins if we dont win the tourney.
Army is currently RPI #19. For comparison, Yale is #11, Penn #12, OSU #14 (and Cornell is #6).
Cornell needs to keep winning to avoid being Duked. (Last year, Duke was RPI #8 and did not get a bid.)
Lax doesnt go just by RPI like hockey does, Army is ranked #7.
OSU is under .500 now. Penn us under .500. Yale on the edge. Princeton under .500
We wont have many quality wins the way its going.
Quote from: mike1960Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.
The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.
Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.
Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.
I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.
Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.
The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.
Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.
Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.
I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.
Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.
If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.
The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.
Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.
Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.
I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.
Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.
If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.
Yes, that would put enormous pressure on opposing defenses. Quite a tantalizing prospect.
if you can preserve Long and win without showing all your tricks thats a good thing as well.. Whatever his issues are now they dont look to be leg related. No braces or tape on the legs.
We're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.
On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?
Quote from: billhowardWe're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.
On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?
A question worthy of asking, though it would be surprising if so considering it's likely the worst Cornell attack of the last 3 calendar years. Even with Kirst's development, seems hard to believe we'd take this year's attack over Long/Kirst/Piatelli. And since I'm feeling especially bitter, I'd have everyone consider what could have been in the cancelled 2021 season with a selection of Teat/Long/Piatelli/Kirst to fill in however you'd like.
Quote from: semsoxQuote from: billhowardWe're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.
On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?
A question worthy of asking, though it would be surprising if so considering it's likely the worst Cornell attack of the last 3 calendar years. Even with Kirst's development, seems hard to believe we'd take this year's attack over Long/Kirst/Piatelli. And since I'm feeling especially bitter, I'd have everyone consider what could have been in the cancelled 2021 season with a selection of Teat/Long/Piatelli/Kirst to fill in however you'd like.
Speaking of which, hockey loses Jack Malone (Delbarton Prep, NJ) because he's a senior this year but has a year of eligibility left. CJ Kirst (Delbarton Prep, NJ) is a lacrosse senior next year but I believe he has a year of eligibility left. Do we lose him for his fourth and best year for spring 2025 lacrosse? Sheesh, the Ivy League has become a group of feeder schools.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: semsoxQuote from: billhowardWe're discussing who belongs behind the cage at X, who should be out front, who on the wings.
On a simpler level, with Michael Long back, is this or is this not the most powerful attack in Division 1 this year?
A question worthy of asking, though it would be surprising if so considering it's likely the worst Cornell attack of the last 3 calendar years. Even with Kirst's development, seems hard to believe we'd take this year's attack over Long/Kirst/Piatelli. And since I'm feeling especially bitter, I'd have everyone consider what could have been in the cancelled 2021 season with a selection of Teat/Long/Piatelli/Kirst to fill in however you'd like.
Speaking of which, hockey loses Jack Malone (Delbarton Prep, NJ) because he's a senior this year but has a year of eligibility left. CJ Kirst (Delbarton Prep, NJ) is a lacrosse senior next year but I believe he has a year of eligibility left. Do we lose him for his fourth and best year for spring 2025 lacrosse? Sheesh, the Ivy League has become a group of feeder schools.
He could plan ahead and do the thing Pannell (and Andreev in hockey) did and just withdraw for a semester and not graduate?? I can't remember how that worked when they knew they had an extra eligibility year.
For lacrosse players, wouldn't he just need to take the next two Fall semesters off, and play go to school for the next two springs?
You also have the issue of classes you need to take being offered in the spring and the sequence issues sometimes.
Unless the special COVID eligibility rules will apply to CJ, the Ivy League usually requires an academic reason to stay around for a 5th year or 9th semester. That is where it can get tricky.
Acknowledging we likely won't know with any certainty until late next year, my baseline assumption would be that CJ will use all of his eligibility at Cornell.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Watched the replay. Nice win today. Yes, good ball movement overall and nice shooting. Great move by Coach Buczek to move CJ to the crease attack position. It's difficult to double team that position without leaving the defense vulnerable in other areas. CJ got some nice looks and drained most of them. I'm not sure how I feel about Mikey Long on the wing and Billy Coyle at X. Long makes such good decisions at X moving the ball quickly to areas of defensive weakness. I'm not sure that can be taught. Yes, he'll be effective and he will score on the wing, but I think he'd be more dangerous behind the goal.
The defense was great early. It seems like we get ahead and then ease up a little bit. Or the opposing team starts to figure out what will work. Ierlan had a good day overall. Marquette scored on several outside shots. I'm sure he feels he should have stopped those.
Great job on faceoffs. Cascadden has been such a bright spot this season, and Angelo is playing well too.
Camera work: Someone needs to tell the camera person to move the camera s l o w l y.
I expect Army to be a hard fought, close game. Can't wait.
Just guessing here, but I think they don't want to move Long behind the cage, at least yet, in an effort to protect him from aggravating whatever is ailing him. Probably more risk of doing that trying to dodge from X.
If so, then at some point he & Billy may be able to switch. This will make it hard for opponents to assign long sticks: defending a distributor/dodger who plays from behind the goal is a bit different than defending someone on the wing.
I would like to see what happens with Long at X and Coyle at the wing. With Coyle's excellent speed, he could cause the defense problems by dodging from the wing. Obviously, the coaches know their players, and they know more about lacrosse than I'll ever know. But I remember watching Long operate when he was healthy, and he just seemed like a natural at X. He has great vision, he's accurate with his passes, and doesn't force anything,
I don't get why grad students are not considered students. It would be up to them to determine if they can manage academic workload, practice, and 7-8 road games a year.
Should be a decent game at Army, 12 noon start at Michie Stadium, their football field. Army has top-ten wins over Rutgers and Loyola MD. They are essentially tied with Cornell in the rankings except Army's RPI is barely in the top 20. Army plays 4 top-20 teams: Rutgers, Loyola, Cornell, BU. Perhaps the 12-to-13 place discrepancy between Army's RPI and poll numbers is Army's only loss was the season opener, followed by nine wins. Army's last four games have wins by margins of 2 (Lehigh), 5 Loyola (good win), 5 (Bucknell) and 1 (1-7 Colgate).
[b]Polls USILA Media RPI W-L[/b]
Cornell 7 6 7 7-2
Army 6 7 19 9-1
[b]Common Opponents Lehigh Colgate[/b]
Cornell W 12-5 W 11-6 <-- scrimmage 2/11
Army W 12-10 W 10-9 <-- game 4/8
[b]Losses[/b]
Cornell Penn State, Harvard
Army UMass 10-8 (2/11 season opener)
Right now (day before the game) it's 92 degrees, near-cloudless, and a bunch of auto editors are bopping around the West Point area in Hyundai Ioniq 6 EVs (fabulous cars) after overnighting at the Thayer Hotel. Saturday it will be around 70 degrees but a 50% chance of rain. Better for the players.
Quote from: billhowardShould be a decent game at Army, 12 noon start at Michie Stadium, their football field. Army has top-ten wins over Rutgers and Loyola MD. They are essentially tied in the polls except Army's RPI is barely in the top 20. Army plays 4 top-20 teams: Rutgers, Loyola, Cornell, BU.
[b]Polls USILA Media RPI W-L[/b]
Cornell 7 6 7 7-2
Army 6 7 19 9-1
[b]Common Opponents Lehigh Colgate[/b]
Cornell W 12-5 W 11-6 <-- scrimmage 2/11
Army W 12-10 W 10-9 <-- game 4/8
[b]Losses[/b]
Cornell Penn State, Harvard
Army UMass 10-8 2/11 season opener
I'm wondering why we aren't having game threads anymore. This thread has now reached 50 pages on the mobile version, and it's not like much else is happening on this board.
Quote from: RichHI'm wondering why we aren't having game threads anymore. This thread has now reached 50 pages on the mobile version, and it's not like much else is happening on this board.
* Maybe more of us have streaming on our TVs whereas five, certainly ten years ago we were likely to be streaming on our desktops or laptops.
* The eLynah user experience is less optimal on a phone, which is what we'd be likely to have on the couch with us.
I went to the Army -- oops, Army West Point -- site to look up their scores this season and found this. It's possible my graphics memory was low. But I was thinking, maybe Jack Teixeira (the Air National Guardsman now incarcerated) left a couple tripwires.
Quote from: billhowardI don't get why grad students are not considered students. It would be up to them to determine if they can manage academic workload, practice, and 7-8 road games a year.
I never thought that was reasoning.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: RichHI'm wondering why we aren't having game threads anymore. This thread has now reached 50 pages on the mobile version, and it's not like much else is happening on this board.
* Maybe more of us have streaming on our TVs whereas five, certainly ten years ago we were likely to be streaming on our desktops or laptops.
* The eLynah user experience is less optimal on a phone, which is what we'd be likely to have on the couch with us.
what he's saying is "start a game thread on your phone" instead of having a season thread on a topic as active as lax
Individual game threads would be good. It might clutter the forum with additional threads but by season's end they'll drop to the second page so, no harm done.
2 games left In reg season.
Brown who I hope we play on the RD better than we did vs Harvard.
Princeton for the Ivy Reg season title most likely on SR day. They also lost 2 players for the season vs SU the other day.
Quote from: upprdeck2 games left In reg season.
Brown who I hope we play on the RD better than we did vs Harvard.
Princeton for the Ivy Reg season title most likely on SR day. They also lost 2 players for the season vs SU the other day.
I watched Brown lose to Yale today 16-10. Brown jumped out to a quick 4-1 lead, but Yale led 9-8 at halftime and held Brown to 2 goals in the second half. Brown's faceoff man dominated, winning 22 out of 30. But Brown's defense was shaky, and Yale scored at least 3 goals in transition, including one play where Chris Lyons, who had 7 goals, came in alone on the goalie.
Like Harvard, it's a game we should win. But we didn't do the job at Harvard, and hopefully the same thing won't happen at Brown.
A couple of thoughts: If we shot like we did against Penn State or Harvard, we would have lost to Army. The team is moving the ball and getting some confusion in the defense. If they do that well, eventually someone will come open, and it doesn't matter who.
I like the spread offense and moving Kirst to the crease attack position. I wonder what would happen if we moved him to the top of the zone more, as we did in a previous game. Or even sent him to X. Moving him around would take the defense out of the schemes they practiced.
Second, we can beat anyone in the country. We are that good this year. On the flip side, we can lose to a lot of teams as well because of the parity. So the ILT and NCAA tournaments should be a hoot.
I will say I'm especially concerned about Notre Dame. They do a lot of things well and they look tough.
Quote from: mike1960Hey Bill Howard, I think it's time to start the new thread!
Ahem.::uptosomething::
Still at number 6, RPI of 5. Looks like the top 5 is immutable.
Week 10 in the D1 media poll (4/17) and Cornell is 6th again. (graphic below)
Teams above us win, they gain a position (Duke, Maryland). The team we beat, Army, drops a position, from 7th to 8th. Notre Dame, the only one-loss team, remains atop the polls. Duke took over second place this week, with a 15-14 win over visiting Virginia, which dropped from 2 to 4.
The remaining two teams on the Cornell schedule: at Brown, not receiving votes. Then 4/29, Princeton, receiving votes. Penn and Yale, possible ILT opponents, are 15 and 19.
In RPI (link: NC$$) (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi) has the top ten as:
1. Duke
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. Hopkins
5. Cornell
6. Maryland
7. Georgetown
8. Penn State
9. Yale
10. Penn
...
18. Princeton
21. Army
31. Brown
No USILA coaches' poll as of midday Monday. [edit add Monday 5 pm] USILA poll has Cornell sixth again this week. See screen grab bottom of screen.
Quote from: arugulaStill at number 6, RPI of 5. Looks like the top 5 is immutable.
To paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield - "We Don't Get No Respect!"
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The only poll that matters...
The NCAA selection committee revealed their top 10 on Saturday:
1. ND
2. Duke
3. UVA
4. UMD
5. PSU
6. JHU
7. Cornell
8. Army
9. Rutgers
10. Georgetown
Big surprise here is Army, which was #19 RPI at the time. H2H over Rutgers in the only plausible explanation for this, but it's a real departure from the official criteria.
My takeaway: this committee is whack!
As with the Masters, A Tradition Like No Other -- Screwing North Schools (Army Excluded) Generally, Cornell Specifically, and Bowing to Hopkins, the Lax World Holy of Holies.
Quote from: CU77The NCAA selection committee revealed their top 10 on Saturday:
1. ND
2. Duke
3. UVA
4. UMD
5. PSU
6. JHU
7. Cornell
8. Army
9. Rutgers
10. Georgetown
Big surprise here is Army, which was #19 RPI at the time. H2H over Rutgers in the only plausible explanation for this, but it's a real departure from the official criteria.
My takeaway: this committee is whack!
Prior to Saturday's games, I assume?
I haven't watched the top 5 teams play, but I think it's hard to argue Cornell is clearly better than any of them. Our SOS is just that much weaker. Maybe we should be fifth, in accordance with our RPI, but I don't see an argument that we should be higher than that.
Quote from: billhowardAs with the Masters, A Tradition Like No Other -- Screwing North Schools (Army Excluded) Generally, Cornell Specifically, and Bowing to Hopkins, the Lax World Holy of Holies.
As was documented in the book We Showed Baltimore, that type of favoritism is exactly what led to the formation of the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: BearLoverPrior to Saturday's games, I assume?
Yes.
One of the things I loved about DeLuca's defenses is that the slides were vicious. They landed like hammers, and the ball usually found the ground. Sometimes I think we hesitate with the slides, but they seemed to come stronger in the second half (what I saw of the second half) in the Army game. That's something I'm going to be watching for against Brown. What will you be looking for?
Quote from: mike1960One of the things I loved about DeLuca's defenses is that the slides were vicious. They landed like hammers, and the ball usually found the ground. Sometimes I think we hesitate with the slides, but they seemed to come stronger in the second half (what I saw of the second half) in the Army game. That's something I'm going to be watching for against Brown. What will you be looking for?
Brown has an excellent faceoff guy, who dominated Yale on Saturday. Holding our own on faceoffs will be one of the keys to the game.
ILT possibilities:
If Cornell beats Princeton, the top 3 seeds are Cornell, Penn, Princeton.
If Princeton beats Cornell, the top 3 seeds are Princeton, Cornell, Penn.
The Harvard-Yale winner gets the #4 seed.
10-2 Cornell remains in sixth place in the media poll as of Week 11 (through weekend of 4/22): https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls
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1. Notre Dame 9-1 no change (20 first place votes)
2. Duke 11-2 n/c (2 first place vote)
3. Virginia 9-3 was was 4
4. Hopkins 11-4 was 7
5. Penn State 9-3 n/c
6. Cornell 10-2 n/c
7. Maryland 8-4 was 3
8. Georgetown 9-3 was 9
9. Army 10-2 was 8
10. Denver 8-4 n/c
...
12. Penn 6-5 was 15
16. Yale 7-4 was 19
20. Princeton 6-5 was 22
In RPI, it's: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
1. Duke
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. Hopkins
5. Penn State
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Georgetown
10. Penn
...
16. Princeton
30s. Brown and Harvard
The Ivies are not helping Cornell's strength of schedule this year compared to 2022.
Last year, six of the seven Ivies made the NCAA tournament (https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/5/8/ivy-league-earns-six-bids-into-ncaa-mens-lacrosse-tournament.aspx)
Ben Abladian--anyone know what happened to him? He was a much heralded transfer and he's barely played this season. I feel bad about speculating about an amateur player's status, but it seems strange that he would transfer if he wasn't going to play.
Quote from: djk26Ben Abladian--anyone know what happened to him? He was a much heralded transfer and he's barely played this season. I feel bad about speculating about an amateur player's status, but it seems strange that he would transfer if he wasn't going to play.
Abladian played in the Marquette game. It was either Barry Leonard or Tom Lafalce who said that he was still learning the Cornell offense. He's a junior now. Maybe the plan is to make next year a big year for him.
He played in 3 games and had 2 goals vs Marq and nothing since. It's not like we havn't had a few games with leads to have him play. He missed all of March as well after playing vs Hobart. Have to think there is some injury issue.
How corrupt is the tourny selection now? It's not purely deterministic like hockey, right? Does the Baltimore Mafia still have room to do their thing?
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: djk26Ben Abladian--anyone know what happened to him? He was a much heralded transfer and he's barely played this season. I feel bad about speculating about an amateur player's status, but it seems strange that he would transfer if he wasn't going to play.
Abladian played in the Marquette game. It was either Barry Leonard or Tom Lafalce who said that he was still learning the Cornell offense. He's a junior now. Maybe the plan is to make next year a big year for him.
Who would you sit in order to play Abladian?
Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: mike1960Quote from: djk26Ben Abladian--anyone know what happened to him? He was a much heralded transfer and he's barely played this season. I feel bad about speculating about an amateur player's status, but it seems strange that he would transfer if he wasn't going to play.
Abladian played in the Marquette game. It was either Barry Leonard or Tom Lafalce who said that he was still learning the Cornell offense. He's a junior now. Maybe the plan is to make next year a big year for him.
Who would you sit in order to play Abladian?
Good point. I was thinking maybe a second line--depth is always important as we get to the NCAA tourament. It's probably too late for this year, though.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: jjanow99Quote from: mike1960Quote from: djk26Ben Abladian--anyone know what happened to him? He was a much heralded transfer and he's barely played this season. I feel bad about speculating about an amateur player's status, but it seems strange that he would transfer if he wasn't going to play.
Abladian played in the Marquette game. It was either Barry Leonard or Tom Lafalce who said that he was still learning the Cornell offense. He's a junior now. Maybe the plan is to make next year a big year for him.
Who would you sit in order to play Abladian?
Good point. I was thinking maybe a second line--depth is always important as we get to the NCAA tourament. It's probably too late for this year, though.
His position is attack. Was he playing attack or midfield against Marquette? That would be one way for him to see more playing time.
how many 4 goal scorers are we holding on the bench in games we win by 10?
Quote from: TrotskyHow corrupt is the tourny selection now? It's not purely deterministic like hockey, right? Does the Baltimore Mafia still have room to do their thing?
1) Since the great criteria change of 2009 (the horrific seeding of 2007 forced the NCAA to fix it), it is not at all corrupt. It is, however, somewhat random.
2) It is not deterministic like hockey.
3) No.
Well, that's good!
Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
Quote from: mike1960Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
Huh. He played the entire 2019, 2022, and 2023 seasons. 2020 got canceled after 5 games; 2021 got canceled entirely. The fact he still has another year of NCAA eligibility suggests that the shortened 2020 year did not count towards eligibility? So in effect a player could be a college lacrosse player for six seasons?
Quote from: mike1960Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
But I don't understand why, if Ierlan was
Quote from: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335"Particularly excellent in 21-save outings in early season wins over Penn State and Yale, [and] he was given third-team recognition in IL's Midseason Media All-American list in late March,"
why 9-3 Penn State consistently sits ahead of 11-2 Cornell in IL's Media Polls (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls). ::demented::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
But I don't understand why, if Ierlan was Quote from: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335"Particularly excellent in 21-save outings in early season wins over Penn State and Yale, [and] he was given third-team recognition in IL's Midseason Media All-American list in late March,"
why 9-3 Penn State consistently sits ahead of 11-2 Cornell in IL's Media Polls (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls). ::demented::
Penn State sits ahead of Cornell in the rankings because their RPI is better and they beat Cornell head to head by 4 goals. Unfortunately that ranking seems correct.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
But I don't understand why, if Ierlan was Quote from: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335"Particularly excellent in 21-save outings in early season wins over Penn State and Yale, [and] he was given third-team recognition in IL's Midseason Media All-American list in late March,"
why 9-3 Penn State consistently sits ahead of 11-2 Cornell in IL's Media Polls (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls). ::demented::
I would love for Cornell to see Penn State in the Big Dance.
Quote from: mike1960I would love for Cornell to see Penn State in the Big Dance.
Likely only if Cornell first beats Duke, UVa, or ND, who will be the top 3 seeds. Cornell is looking at a 6 to 8 seed.
Unless Cornell loses to Yale, then they could be unseeded and sent to PSU in first round. ::doh::
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
But I don't understand why, if Ierlan was Quote from: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335"Particularly excellent in 21-save outings in early season wins over Penn State and Yale, [and] he was given third-team recognition in IL's Midseason Media All-American list in late March,"
why 9-3 Penn State consistently sits ahead of 11-2 Cornell in IL's Media Polls (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls). ::demented::
Penn State sits ahead of Cornell in the rankings because their RPI is better and they beat Cornell head to head by 4 goals. Unfortunately that ranking seems correct.
You missed the joke. IL says Ierlan was "particularly excellent" in an "early season win ... over Penn State." They probably meant Penn or can't tell the difference between PSU and UofP.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
But I don't understand why, if Ierlan was Quote from: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335"Particularly excellent in 21-save outings in early season wins over Penn State and Yale, [and] he was given third-team recognition in IL's Midseason Media All-American list in late March,"
why 9-3 Penn State consistently sits ahead of 11-2 Cornell in IL's Media Polls (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls). ::demented::
Penn State sits ahead of Cornell in the rankings because their RPI is better and they beat Cornell head to head by 4 goals. Unfortunately that ranking seems correct.
You missed the joke. IL says Ierlan was "particularly excellent" in an "early season win ... over Penn State." They probably meant Penn or can't tell the difference between PSU and UofP.
Oops! Yeah
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Chase Ierlan enters the portal for 2024. I hope this doesn't affect his play this month.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335
But I don't understand why, if Ierlan was Quote from: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-cornell-goalie-chayse-ierlan-enters-grad-transfer-portal-for-2024/61335"Particularly excellent in 21-save outings in early season wins over Penn State and Yale, [and] he was given third-team recognition in IL's Midseason Media All-American list in late March,"
why 9-3 Penn State consistently sits ahead of 11-2 Cornell in IL's Media Polls (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls). ::demented::
Penn State sits ahead of Cornell in the rankings because their RPI is better and they beat Cornell head to head by 4 goals. Unfortunately that ranking seems correct.
You missed the joke. IL says Ierlan was "particularly excellent" in an "early season win ... over Penn State." They probably meant Penn or can't tell the difference between PSU and UofP.
He wasn't bad at all against Penn State. He allowed 10 goals on 31 shots, or 67%.
The problem is we had 2 guys shooting 60 percent of our shots and making only 4 total.
League awards announced. (https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/5/3/mens-lacrosse-major-awards-all-ivy-announced.aspx)
Cornell honorees:
POTY: CJ Kirst
COTY: Connor Buczek
FIRST TEAM: CJ Kirst*, Hugh Kelleher, Gavin Adler*, Chayse Ierlan*
SECOND TEAM: Jack Follows
HONORABLE MENTION: Billy Coyle, Jack Cascadden
* = unanimous first team selection
If we win the Ivy League championship, I assume we will get a home ncaa game? What if we lose in the final? Or lose in the semi?
Terry Foy's Top 20 article at IL has a lot of interesting stuff: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... tter/61296
He mixes his opinions in with his discussion of each top 20 team. Of interest to Cornell fans is the discussion on evaluating attackmen on more than goals and assists that's discussed with his #12 team, Michigan.
Yale is going to be a tough foe on Friday. Even though Cornell beat Yale easily during the regular season, that was six weeks ago. Yale has a 5-game winning streak during which it has outscored its opponents 88-52. I've seen them play in person twice and their offense is explosive, especially in transition.
Quote from: CU2007If we win the Ivy League championship, I assume we will get a home ncaa game?
Almost certainly.
Quote from: CU2007What if we lose in the final? Or lose in the semi?
My guess is no, the ILT winner gets it. Unless it's Princeton, then we might sneak in.
ACC & B1G will claim 3 seeds each, BET and ILT winners likely the other 2.
Quote from: dbilmesYale is going to be a tough foe on Friday. Even though Cornell beat Yale easily during the regular season, that was six weeks ago. Yale has a 5-game winning streak during which it has outscored its opponents 88-52. I've seen them play in person twice and their offense is explosive, especially in transition.
While I agree, see IL's slideshow of "Individual Conference Tourney Matchups To Watch (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/5-individual-conference-tourney-matchups-to-watch/214?slide=4)."
Quote from: dbilmesYale is going to be a tough foe on Friday. Even though Cornell beat Yale easily during the regular season, that was six weeks ago. Yale has a 5-game winning streak during which it has outscored its opponents 88-52. I've seen them play in person twice and their offense is explosive, especially in transition.
It should be a good game. The good news is that the season is not on the line. Win or lose, Cornell is in the Big Dance. It would be nice to have a home game, but the main thing is to get in and win four in a row. I hope we see the offense working really well together and the defense communicating and allowing no easy shots.
As Maximus Decimus Meridius says, "Whatever comes out of these gates, we've got a better chance of survival if we work together."
most places have cornell as a 6-7-8 see now.. Losing at best they are an 8. Some Metrics have the IVY as the 8 see anyway.
If yale wins out they will Jump Cornell for sure getting to 10-4 over Cornells 11-3. Penn probably needs to win 1 to stay in the mix.
Quote from: upprdeckmost places have cornell as a 6-7-8 see now.. Losing at best they are an 8. Some Metrics have the IVY as the 8 see anyway.
If yale wins out they will Jump Cornell for sure getting to 10-4 over Cornells 11-3. Penn probably needs to win 1 to stay in the mix.
Are you suggesting that Pton is in no matter what?
Princeton needs the Ivy AQ to get in.
yale might win 1 and get in.. cornell is probably in even with a losee
I think Penn/Princeton both need to win 2 games to get in.
PSU just lost to Michigan in the B1G semi ...
Quote from: CU77PSU just lost to Michigan in the B1G semi ...
Wow.
the PSU loss is stopping us from being a top 4 seed right now. But we need to play at another level higher to go anywhere they want to really get.
Quote from: upprdeckyale might win 1 and get in.. cornell is probably in even with a losee
I think Penn/Princeton both need to win 2 games to get in.
After the Ivy teams finished RS play, RPI was:
RPI Poll Team
7 6 Cornell
9 10 Penn
10 11 Yale
17 20 Princeton RPI is a major part of the who gets in, who gets seeded where, who gets home games criteria. Suggests Cornell is in the NCAA tournament. Suggests Princeton needs to win the ILT to get in.
2023 Ivy League All-Ivy
Cornell really dominated the All-Ivy choices this year. 4 first team for Cornell -- Kirst, Adler, Ierlan, Kelleher; Buczek COTY 2 years in a row, Kirst POTY. Kid from Dartmouth is rookie of the year (diversity program, Dartmouth gets a player/rookie/coach of the year nod once per decade?). Cascadden makes HM as FOGO, and for Cornell after years in the desert, it's nice to know we'll win 50%-plus most games.
First-team 4 Cornell (Kirst, Adler, Ierlan unanimous), 4 Penn, 3 Yale, Princeton 2, Brown 1 (FOGO Matt Gunty, 63%).
FIRST TEAM^ <-- extras b/c of ties
CJ Kirst, Cornell (Jr., A – Bernardsville, N.J.)* <-- * = unanimous
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton (So., A – Bronxville, N.Y.)*
Matt Brandau, Yale (Sr., A – Timonium, Md.)
Hugh Kelleher, Cornell (Jr., M – Wantagh, N.Y.)
Sam Handley, Penn (Sr., M – Portland, Ore.)*
Alex Vardaro, Princeton (Sr. M – Woodmere, N.Y.)
Gavin Adler, Cornell (Sr., D – Hewlett, N.Y.)*
Brendan Lavelle, Penn (Jr., D – Rye, N.Y.)*
Michael Alexander, Yale (Jr., D – West Islip, N.Y.)
Chayse Ierlan, Cornell (Sr., G – Victor, N.Y.)*
Matt Gunty, Brown (Sr., FO – Bethesda, Md.)*
BJ Farrare, Penn (Sr., LSM – Owings Mills, Md.)
Jack Stuzin, Yale (Jr., LSM – Baltimore, Md.)
Piper Bond, Penn (Sr., SSM – Baltimore, Md.)
SECOND TEAM^
Devon McLane, Brown (Sr., A – Westfield, N.J.)
Sam King, Harvard (So., A – Baltimore, Md.)
Chris Lyons, Yale (Jr., A – Medford, N.J.)
Aidan McLane, Brown (So., M – Westfield, N.J.)
Matteo Corsi, Brown (So., M – Plymouth, Mich.)
Nate Davis, Dartmouth (Jr., M – Bronxville, N.Y.)
Owen Gaffney, Harvard (So., M – Los Angeles, Calif.)
Brad Sharp, Yale (Jr., M – Palos Verdes Estates, Calif.)
Jack Follows, Cornell (Jr., D – Oakville, Ontario)
Ben Finlay, Princeton (Sr., D – Oakton, Va.)
Pace Billings, Princeton (Jr., D – Denver, Colo.)
Michael Gianforcaro, Princeton (Jr., G – Lincoln University, Pa.)
Mitchell Myers, Dartmouth (Jr., FO – Huntington Beach, Calif.)
Cathal Roberts, Princeton (Sr., LSM – Dublin, Ireland)
Beau Pederson, Princeton (Jr., SSM – Park City, Utah)
HONORABLE MENTION
Billy Coyle, Cornell (Jr., A – Malvern, Pa.)
Leo Johnson, Yale (So., A – Greenwich, Conn.)
Andrew Perry, Harvard (So., M – Franklin, Mass.)
James Shipley, Penn (Sr., M – Weddington, N.C.)
Christian Ronda, Princeton (Sr., M – Greenwich, Conn.)
Thomas Bragg, Yale (Sr., M – Cazenovia, N.Y.)
Mark Witt, Brown (Jr., D – Andover, Mass.)
Collin Bergstrom, Harvard (So., D – Winchester, Mass.)
Peter Blake, Penn (Sr., D – Needham, Mass.)
Emmet Carroll, Penn (Jr., G – Rye, N.Y.)
Jack Cascadden, Cornell (Jr., FO – Garden City, N.Y.)
Chase Yager, Harvard (Sr., SSM – Virginia Beach, Va.)
Player of the Year:
CJ Kirst, Cornell (Jr., A – Bernardsville, N.J.)
Rookie of the Year:
Emmett Paradine, Dartmouth (Fr., M – Hickory, N.C.)
Coach of the Year:
Connor Buczek, Cornell
https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/5/3/mens-lacrosse-major-awards-all-ivy-announced.aspx
Quote from: upprdeckthe PSU loss is stopping us from being a top 4 seed right now. But we need to play at another level higher to go anywhere they want to really get.
I think it's the other loss that's hurting us. No one's going to ding us too bad for losing to a Top 5-10 PSU team.
Terps dismantled Hop in the 2nd B1G semi, winning 14-9, face Michigan in the final. I expect Maryland to easily avenge their regular-season loss.
Top 4 seeds will go to the ACC and the Terps. Cornell has a shot at the #5 seed with an ILT win, especially if the final is over Penn.
Looking too far ahead, Cornell will need to play as well as possible, and wish a dash of luck, to have a chance against any of the top 4 in the quarterfinals.
Quote from: CU77Looking too far ahead, Cornell will need to play as well as possible, and wish a dash of luck, to have a chance against any of the top 4 in the quarterfinals.
Fortunately, one can say the same thing about the top 4 teams. They're all good enough to win the whole shebang. So a team that plays up to its ability and has a bit of luck has a great chance of winning.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Looking too far ahead, Cornell will need to play as well as possible, and wish a dash of luck, to have a chance against any of the top 4 in the quarterfinals.
Fortunately, one can say the same thing about the top 4 teams. They're all good enough to win the whole shebang. So a team that plays up to its ability and has a bit of luck has a great chance of winning.
Unlike last year, where a dominant Maryland team was the overwhelming favorite, multiple teams have a chance to win the title if they peak at the right time.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Looking too far ahead, Cornell will need to play as well as possible, and wish a dash of luck, to have a chance against any of the top 4 in the quarterfinals.
Fortunately, one can say the same thing about the top 4 teams. They're all good enough to win the whole shebang. So a team that plays up to its ability and has a bit of luck has a great chance of winning.
Unlike last year, where a dominant Maryland team was the overwhelming favorite, multiple teams have a chance to win the title if they peak at the right time.
Though, last year it seemed we had a shot against anyone so long as we avoided Maryland (and we did, until the finals). This year, it seems the best 4 or 5 teams are really strong and probably better than us. Now the hope is we get to avoid them until the final four.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: dbilmesQuote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Looking too far ahead, Cornell will need to play as well as possible, and wish a dash of luck, to have a chance against any of the top 4 in the quarterfinals.
Fortunately, one can say the same thing about the top 4 teams. They're all good enough to win the whole shebang. So a team that plays up to its ability and has a bit of luck has a great chance of winning.
Unlike last year, where a dominant Maryland team was the overwhelming favorite, multiple teams have a chance to win the title if they peak at the right time.
Though, last year it seemed we had a shot against anyone so long as we avoided Maryland (and we did, until the finals). This year, it seems the best 4 or 5 teams are really strong and probably better than us. Now the hope is we get to avoid them until the final four.
I don't think other teams are better than us. We have strengths at all the key positions, and, as dbilmes says, when we peak or play our best, we can beat anyone. We know who we are now. When we play team offense and team defense, we are really good.
I guess we find out of the D is good or just played lesser offenses.
Game is on ESPN News for now, not ESPN U as scheduled
Cornell now 8th in RPI, .0008 ahead of PSU. PSU has head-to-head and three top ten wins vs. Cornell's one. Time to set GPS to Happy Valley?
I would love for this team to see Tambroni again.
Maybe we get up to 7 in RPI if Yale loses to Princeton tomorrow. You'd think that would go a long way towards getting us a first round home game.
yale being seeded 7-8 while cornell is traveling is hard to take after a nice yr..
Three games left.
I assume Duke > Merrimack.
Then the top-11 RPI are fixed, with only the order of 7-8-9 still to be decided by the other 2 games.
Amazingly, only one of these 11 definitely gets an AQ!
1. Duke
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. Johns Hopkins
5. Georgetown AQ
6. Maryland
...
10. Denver
11. Penn
Princeton > Yale:
7. Penn State
8. Cornell
9. Yale
Yale > Princeton, Army > Loyola
7. Yale AQ
8. Cornell
9. Penn State
Yale > Princeton, Loyola > Army
7. Yale AQ
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
Cornell has a shot at the #8 seed if Yale loses. I think PSU gets a seed no matter what. Yale likley gets the seed if they win.
Quote from: CU77Three games left.
I assume Duke > Merrimack.
Then the top-11 RPI are fixed, with only the order of 7-8-9 still to be decided by the other 2 games.
Amazingly, only one of these 11 definitely gets an AQ!
1. Duke
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. Johns Hopkins
5. Georgetown AQ
6. Maryland
...
10. Denver
11. Penn
Princeton > Yale:
7. Penn State
8. Cornell
9. Yale
Yale > Princeton, Army > Loyola
7. Yale AQ
8. Cornell
9. Penn State
Yale > Princeton, Loyola > Army
7. Yale AQ
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
Cornell has a shot at the #8 seed if Yale loses. I think PSU gets a seed no matter what. Yale likley gets the seed if they win.
Great analysis! Much appreciated.
9:00 pm selection show? That's kind of late for people of a certain age.
Princeton rolling over Yale, 9-2 early in Q2.
Quote from: CU77Princeton rolling over Yale, 9-2 early in Q2.
Wow. Maybe Yale makes a game of it, but it's hard for teams to gear up again after a big, emotional win.
halftime, 13-3 Princeton
Cornell>Princeton>Yale>Cornell
Quote from: CU77halftime, 13-2 Princeton
Three goals at half. Hard to believe.
Yale left it on the field on Friday. This can only help Cornell tonite.
Big Red needs to put Friday nite in the rear view and move on quickly. Ierlan is a seasoned vet and will come back I'm sure. Face off and defense need to step up. Go Big Red
My NCAA bracket prediction:
1. Duke v Delaware/Marist
2. Virginia v Richmond
3. Notre Dame v Bryant
4. Maryland v Utah
5. Penn State v Army
6. Hopkins v Princeton
7. Georgetown v Yale
8. Cornell v Michigan
At this point just hope they still get in.
Quote from: upprdeckAt this point just hope they still get in.
And once we know we're in, we'll kvetch about our seed or it being a first-round road game. ("Thank you, G_d. But he had a hat.")
Anyone found a bracketology / projection from a reputable source since todays games ended?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckAt this point just hope they still get in.
And once we know we're in, we'll kvetch about our seed or it being a first-round road game. ("Thank you, G_d. But he had a hat.")
LOL! What a perfect way to express that sentiment.
Agree that we all need to wait to see what the committee decides.
Quote from: CU2007Anyone found a bracketology / projection from a reputable source since todays games ended?
Here is one opinion (https://usalaxmagazine.com/college/men/bracketology-the-final-mens-bracket-projection).
Quote from: CU77My NCAA bracket prediction:
1. Duke v Delaware/Marist
2. Virginia v Richmond
3. Notre Dame v Bryant
4. Maryland v Utah
5. Penn State v Army
6. Hopkins v Princeton
7. Georgetown v Yale
8. Cornell v Michigan
Thinking Utah at ND, Bryant at MD
Quote from: CU77My NCAA bracket prediction:
1. Duke v Delaware/Marist
2. Virginia v Richmond
3. Notre Dame v Bryant
4. Maryland v Utah
5. Penn State v Army
6. Hopkins v Princeton
7. Georgetown v Yale
8. Cornell v Michigan
Foy keeps sending us to Georgetown: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/il-s-2023-bracketology-sixth-look-there-is-no-bubble/61414
Foy ignores losses to the top 20, which is not consistent with either the official criteria or with past committee results.
Duke, ND, PSU and #8 Yale or Cornell would be targeted for the quarters in Albany, and UVA, MD, Hop and Georgetown for Annapolis. So Duke will be #1 to play #8 and ND and PSU would be seeded to meet in the second round (e.g., #3 ND and #6 PSU). Then MD and Hop would be #4 and #5 leaving UVA at #2 and Georgetown at #7. Would also work if ND #2 and UVA #3. Then just flip PSU's and Georgetown's seedings. We shall see soon.
Bracket:
(1) Duke v. Delaware/Marist
(8) Cornell v. Michigan — Sunday, 2:30 pm ET, ESPNU
(4) Maryland v. Army
(5) Penn State v. Princeton
(3) Notre Dame v. Utah
(6) Johns Hopkins v. Bryant
(7) Georgetown v. Yale
(2) Virginia v. Richmond
According to the printable bracket, (https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/print/lacrosse-men/d1/2023) if the seeds were to all hold, the 1/8 and 2/7 quarterfinals are in Albany, and the 3/6 and 4/5 quarterfinals in Annapolis.
Huge, I'll be there
Very difficult to play your very best lacrosse across multiple weeks, which Michigan has been doing. Like our chances.
Quote from: semsoxVery difficult to play your very best lacrosse across multiple weeks, which Michigan has been doing. Like our chances.
Martha: Wear red. Please, not maize and blue.
Quote from: CU77My NCAA bracket prediction:
1. Duke v Delaware/Marist
2. Virginia v Richmond
3. Notre Dame v Bryant
4. Maryland v Utah
5. Penn State v Army
6. Hopkins v Princeton
7. Georgetown v Yale
8. Cornell v Michigan
Pretty close! Got the top 8 exactly right, shuffled the opponents of the 3 to 6 seeds:
1. Duke v Delaware/Marist Sun 5
2. Virginia v Richmond Sat 12
3. Notre Dame v Utah Sat 2:30
4. Maryland v Army Sat 7:30
5. Penn State v Princeton Sun 7:30
6. Hopkins v Bryant Sun 12
7. Georgetown v Yale Sat 5
8. Cornell v Michigan Sun 2:30
LGR.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: semsoxVery difficult to play your very best lacrosse across multiple weeks, which Michigan has been doing. Like our chances.
Martha: Wear red. Please, not maize and blue.
If she's a typical Michigander she only supports teams that are favorites.
cornell can not afford to be awful at the X again the rest of the way. Last week was bad FO, bad D, and no big plays from the goalie.. Thats a bad combo cme playoff time.
I continue to worry about the defense. I know they've kept teams under and around 10 all year, but all year we've seen so many basic mistakes that it's been frustrating. We don't help, esp. the shorties, and our slides and rotations are often slow and late. This really caught up with us in the Yale game. I mean, really caught up with us. Going to a zone felt a little like panic. Instead, maybe we should work on solid, communicating, fundamental lacrosse. We've been really good at times, and so I have hopes we can play better. But we're also capable of giving up tons of easy scores. I think we have to assume that everyone except Gavin Adler and maybe Jack Follows will be beat with a one-on-one. Let's get some help and force a pass at least, not a dodge and a score.
Also, on offense, we looked great when Mikey Long ran two (probably set) plays from the wing in the second quarter. Wow, if we could do that on each possession, we could do some damage.
Yale was an issue losing 60-70% of the draws and then allowing 4-5 goals off of that and then chasing to try and make up the big gap..
Adler first overall in PLL draft
Quote from: chimpfoodAdler first overall in PLL draft
Well deserved!
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodAdler first overall in PLL draft
Well deserved!
[video=https://twitter.com/i/status/1656082196069851137][/video]
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Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: chimpfoodAdler first overall in PLL draft
Well deserved!
[video=https://twitter.com/i/status/1656082196069851137][/video]
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Very cool.
C.J. Kirst is a Tewaaraton finalist:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/tewaaraton-announces-2023-men-s-and-women-s-finalists/61454
But not Gavin Adler, who should have been; all five finalists play attack.
Quote from: CU77C.J. Kirst is a Tewaaraton finalist:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/tewaaraton-announces-2023-men-s-and-women-s-finalists/61454
But not Gavin Adler, who should have been; all five finalists play attack.
Yeah. It's time they stop pretending the Tewaarton is for the best player in college lacrosse. It's for the best offensive player. And, depending on the style of play currently in vogue, even just the best player at attack (as in this year).
I'm looking forward to watching the Georgetown-Yale game. It should be a good one. I saw Dordevic play against Providence. He's as good as advertised.
For lack of a better place, an aside:
My kids came home from pre-K telling us about this cartoon they watched in aftercare called "Spirit Rangers." It just came out last fall (Netflix) and is about 3 Indigenous American kids who have super-here alter egos as Spirit Animals. (The cast all appear to have indigenous names, incidentally) Just watched a couple of episodes with my kids including one called "Lacrosse Boss" in which the kids have to prepare the lacrosse field for a big tournament to be played later that day. After they prep the field, and play a "spirited" game with the Spirits, the first player gets off the bus for the tournament. The littlest kid's eyes get wide and she declares with surprise and delight, "It's Lyle Thompson!!!" He throws his ball at the camera and the scene goes to black.
Someone did their homework!
For lack of a better place, an aside:
My kids came home from pre-K telling us about this cartoon they watched in aftercare called "Spirit Rangers." It just came out last fall (Netflix) and is about 3 Indigenous American kids who have super-hero alter egos as Spirit Animals. (The cast all appear to have indigenous names, incidentally) Just watched a couple of episodes with my kids including one called "Lacrosse Boss" in which the kids have to prepare the lacrosse field for a big tournament to be played later that day. After they prep the field, and play a "spirited" game with the Spirits, the first player gets off the bus for the tournament. The littlest kid's eyes get wide and she declares with surprise and delight, "It's Lyle Thompson!!!" He throws his ball at the camera and the scene goes to black.
Someone did their homework!
Here's the defense I'd love to see in the next few weeks. I can't tell you how many times I've watched this. Milliman had the guys ready in the 2018 Yale ILT game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgIZTqf6Jhs
Really good game between Georgetown and Yale. Could have gone either way.
Quote from: mike1960Really good game between Georgetown and Yale. Could have gone either way.
Transfer Portal 19, Yale 17::cuss::
Army takes down the Terps, 16-15.
Quote from: CU77Army takes down the Terps, 16-15.
Wow.
Richie Moran's grandson, Ryan Sposito, scored 2 goals on 4 shots for Army.
Army should have gone to Hopkins, not Maryland. But the bus ride for Bryant to go to Maryland was seven miles longer than the 400-mile guideline, so Bryant and Army were flipped.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioArmy should have gone to Hopkins, not Maryland. But the bus ride for Bryant to go to Maryland was seven miles longer than the 400-mile guideline, so Bryant and Army were flipped.
Now is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
QuoteNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
I
just had this conversation with my co-workers. I had never heard of it, and tuition is $67k.
Quote from: TrotskyQuoteNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
I just had this conversation with my co-workers. I had never heard of it, and tuition is $67k.
It's an expensive, "lightly" selective (~75% admitted), "liberal arts" college, mostly known for its business programs.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuoteNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
I just had this conversation with my co-workers. I had never heard of it, and tuition is $67k.
It's an expensive, "lightly" selective (~75% admitted), "liberal arts" college, mostly known for its business programs.
So. Union.
BTW, TIL Bard has the third-most expensive tuition in the US. That is funny.
Oleanders growing outside her door / Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuoteNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
I just had this conversation with my co-workers. I had never heard of it, and tuition is $67k.
It's an expensive, "lightly" selective (~75% admitted), "liberal arts" college, mostly known for its business programs.
So. Union.
Not exactly. E.g., Union accepts ~48% of applicants; Bryant, ~75%.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuoteNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
I just had this conversation with my co-workers. I had never heard of it, and tuition is $67k.
It's an expensive, "lightly" selective (~75% admitted), "liberal arts" college, mostly known for its business programs.
So. Union.
Not exactly. E.g., Union accepts ~48% of applicants; Bryant, ~75%.
SLU?
Quote from: TrotskyBTW, TIL Bard has the third-most expensive tuition in the US. That is funny.
Oleanders growing outside her door / Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
Good song.
35 sweet goodbyes ::blush::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyBTW, TIL Bard has the third-most expensive tuition in the US. That is funny.
Oleanders growing outside her door / Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
Good song.
35 sweet goodbyes ::blush::
I only learned what that meant about a year ago.
But, I mean, the band's name...
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyBTW, TIL Bard has the third-most expensive tuition in the US. That is funny.
Oleanders growing outside her door / Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
Good song.
35 sweet goodbyes ::blush::
I only learned what that meant about a year ago.
But, I mean, the band's name...
So would you expect anything less?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyBTW, TIL Bard has the third-most expensive tuition in the US. That is funny.
Oleanders growing outside her door / Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
Good song.
35 sweet goodbyes ::blush::
I only learned what that meant about a year ago.
But, I mean, the band's name...
So would you expect anything less?
Interesting talmudic discussion of "My Old School" here (https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/103344/).
IIRC, in the late 1960s Tompkins County had a DA who was almost as big an asshole as G. Gordon Licky. ::flipd::
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuoteNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
I just had this conversation with my co-workers. I had never heard of it, and tuition is $67k.
It's an expensive, "lightly" selective (~75% admitted), "liberal arts" college, mostly known for its business programs.
So. Union.
Not exactly. E.g., Union accepts ~48% of applicants; Bryant, ~75%.
SLU?
Even less. SLUt accepted 46.1% of applicants in 2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lawrence_University#Admissions). Bryant's mean SAT score is mid-1200's, SLUt's is mid-1300's.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyBTW, TIL Bard has the third-most expensive tuition in the US. That is funny.
Oleanders growing outside her door / Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
Good song.
35 sweet goodbyes ::blush::
I only learned what that meant about a year ago.
But, I mean, the band's name...
So would you expect anything less?
Interesting talmudic discussion of "My Old School" here (https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/103344/).
IIRC, in the late 1960s Tompkins County had a DA who was almost as big an asshole as G. Gordon Licky. ::flipd::
Richard D Thaler. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ithaca-journal/124835329/
Political and judicial officials who are generations behind the gen pop and reacting with increasingly authoritarian violence to the change in society.
That doesn't ring a bell at all (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4qXcI-lJtI).
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: SwampyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyBTW, TIL Bard has the third-most expensive tuition in the US. That is funny.
Oleanders growing outside her door / Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
Good song.
35 sweet goodbyes ::blush::
I only learned what that meant about a year ago.
But, I mean, the band's name...
So would you expect anything less?
Interesting talmudic discussion of "My Old School" here (https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/103344/).
IIRC, in the late 1960s Tompkins County had a DA who was almost as big an asshole as G. Gordon Licky. ::flipd::
Richard D Thaler. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ithaca-journal/124835329/
Ah yes, I remember it well: "I am not yet convinced the Proctor is a horse's ass."
Quote from: ITHACA, N.Y. -- Inside Lacrosse has announced its 2023 All-Americans, and CJ Kirst and Gavin Adler have been named to the first team. Adler is a two-time first-team honoree, and one of two first-team awardees to be a unanimous selection. Kirst, an honorable mention in 2022, was one of two athletes to miss unanimous selection to the first team by one vote.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ITHACA, N.Y. -- Inside Lacrosse has announced its 2023 All-Americans, and CJ Kirst and Gavin Adler have been named to the first team. Adler is a two-time first-team honoree, and one of two first-team awardees to be a unanimous selection. Kirst, an honorable mention in 2022, was one of two athletes to miss unanimous selection to the first team by one vote.
And yet, Adler wasn't a finalist for the Tewaaraton award.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ITHACA, N.Y. -- Inside Lacrosse has announced its 2023 All-Americans, and CJ Kirst and Gavin Adler have been named to the first team. Adler is a two-time first-team honoree, and one of two first-team awardees to be a unanimous selection. Kirst, an honorable mention in 2022, was one of two athletes to miss unanimous selection to the first team by one vote.
And yet, Adler wasn't a finalist for the Tewaaraton award.
.
But second and third team attackmen were.
Quote from: RichHNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
Firmly in the side of that mountain after the helicopter crash.
Too soon?
In my opinion for what its worth-my all time Cornell defensemen are: Adler, Chris Kane, and Aaron Jones in no particular order. Was disappointed in final outcome but it was a fun season. The Cornell defense overall was not sharp towards end of season starting with the Princeton game. Not enough of an expert to give a solid opinion why but noted in 4th quarter of Michigan game just could not get stops. Am wondering if the Bryant transfer Abladian will get a chance to start on Attack next season. On his limited appearances he displayed a pretty wicked outside shot.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: RichHNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
Firmly in the side of that mountain after the helicopter crash.
Too soon?
Not too soon in that there'd be no good time for that one--definitely in poor taste.
Quote from: TrotskyQuoteNow is where I admit I had no idea where Bryant was until today.
I just had this conversation with my co-workers. I had never heard of it, and tuition is $67k.
Bryant University (Bryant College until 2004) came to the attention of eLynah when when Mike Pressler transitioned from coach of the disgraced Duke lacrosse program to Bryant lacrosse coach (2007 til 2022). It used to be next door to Brown University, then in 1971 decamped to a 400-acre suburban location 15 miles away, the estate of the Tupperware founder, and sold the Providence land to Brown.
Academically, Bryant is – I forgot the
[fill blank]-selective euphemism for 75% accept rate and an SAT range of 1100-1300 – a business school (four of every five students), with an arts & sciences college as well. Kind of like Quinnipiac with the suburban setting and attainable learning levels. Somebody said "like Union" but Union is pretty good in the scale of things. I wonder if any would-be undergrad business majors mistake Bryant for Bentley. Despite that, Bryant ranks #7 in US News Best Regional Universities North (along with #1 Providence, #2 Bentley, Marist, #11 Ithaca, LeMoyne, SUNY Geneseo, etcetera. It easier for US News to license a top-ten ranking, as a breakout category, than to rank it, say, #150 or #250 overall.
"Disgraced" Duke program? Maybe only in the press?
Quote from: Redscore"Disgraced" Duke program? Maybe only in the press?
It is a great irony that our thirdmost date-rapiest school (Dartmouth, Stanford) is infamous for an instance in which the otherwise date-rapey guys were entirely innocent.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Redscore"Disgraced" Duke program? Maybe only in the press?
It is a great irony that our thirdmost date-rapiest school (Dartmouth, Stanford) is infamous for an instance in which the otherwise date-rapey guys were entirely innocent.
Entirely?
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Redscore"Disgraced" Duke program? Maybe only in the press?
It is a great irony that our thirdmost date-rapiest school (Dartmouth, Stanford) is infamous for an instance in which the otherwise date-rapey guys were entirely innocent.
Entirely?
IIRC, they were straight set up.
I mean, douche wagon central for all those guys, but they managed to accuse them on the one weekend they weren't actually raping anyone. Just bad luck.
The Duke players had their rape charges dropped because the district attorney had acted unethically and was disbarred. The NC attorney general said the three accused lacrosse players were "innocent" and victims of a "tragic rush to accuse" [of those legal charges]. Which is different from the state of grace the Duke lacrosse program was not in circa 2005. There was reporting on a program that was not in control and incidents of bad behavior on the part of players. In April 2006, coach Mike Pressler was forced out (at the time, it was called a resignation) and, same day, Richard H. Brodhead, president of Duke University, suspended Duke lacrosse for the remainder of the 2006 season. It's possible Broadhead overreacted, but the local-national-media storm made his choice easier to understand. That's why I'd call the program of that era disgraced. I still bristle seeing Duke fan lax caps the next year or two with the words "INNOCENT." Of those charges, yes, but they did not seem to be gentlemen or worthy representatives of Duke.
The rape accuser, Crystal Magnum, is not doing well either: an arrest in 2010 for attempted murder of a boyfriend, a second arrest for murder of a 2011 boyfriend, now doing 14-18 years, likely release in 2026.
Quote from: billhowardThe rape accuser, Crystal Magnum, is not doing well either: an arrest in 2010 for attempted murder of a boyfriend, a second arrest for murder of a 2011 boyfriend, now doing 14-18 years, likely release in 2026.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f05aced2-dd1c-4025-ad0b-8b67837341c8
Quote from: billhowardThe rape accuser, Crystal Magnum, is not doing well either: an arrest in 2010 for attempted murder of a boyfriend, a second arrest for murder of a 2011 boyfriend, now doing 14-18 years, likely release in 2026.
Yes, Crystal does seem to be a little worse off than playing as the favorite in the national semi-finals.
Quote from: martyQuote from: billhowardThe rape accuser, Crystal Magnum, is not doing well either: an arrest in 2010 for attempted murder of a boyfriend, a second arrest for murder of a 2011 boyfriend, now doing 14-18 years, likely release in 2026.
Yes, Crystal does seem to be a little worse off than playing as the favorite in the national semi-finals.
OTOH, Crystal will have harmed far fewer people in her life, and that's not even counting when they join Wall Street.
Rochester D&C article about Cornell grad Chase Ierlan (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1e82ec98b_134ac01).
Quote from: George64Rochester D&C article about Cornell grad Chase Ierlan (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1e82ec98b_134ac01).
People can mope all they want about in-game strategic decisions, but the single biggest problem Cornell faces is that other teams are allowed grad transfers while Cornell is not. We'd have had Donville last year, Irelan next year, etc. Instead, to win a championship, we need to beat teams like Maryland and Johns Hopkins who were able to add the Donvilles and the Irelans. I think Cornell will have a much better shot at a national title (in all sports) three years from now once the extra year of Covid eligibility is finally over.
Adler vs. Handley analysis (in case you haven't seen): https://youtu.be/RJJR9KHlK5k
Quote from: Al DeFlorioAdler vs. Handley analysis (in case you haven't seen): https://youtu.be/RJJR9KHlK5k
Thanks! Great video.