ELynah Forum

Here's what I have from the ECAC schedule. No exhibitions, OOC, Colgate or MSG are set yet.

Note game times are 7PM EST unless otherwise noted.

The NCAA places and possible dates are listed. Places are set, unless something comes up, dates are not yet set.

I did a copy and paste from this year's, so might have some mistakes in transition.

As in the past, if you have info about errors or additions, post it and I'll update this.

Attached is the ECAC schedule, minus the traveling partners.

I'll do  the Women's schedule later today.

Cornell 2022-23 Schedule


Fri Oct 14 Red/White???
Sat Oct 15 Red/White??? or (Ex)???
Fri Oct 21 (Ex)???
Sat Oct 22 (Ex)???
Fri Oct 28 @ UMD
Sat Oct 29 @ UMD
Fri Nov  4 @ Priceton
Sat Nov  5 @ Quinnipiac
Fri Nov 11 @ SLU
Sat Nov 12 @ Clarkson
Fri Nov 18 Yale
Sat Nov 19 Brown
Sat Nov 26 ??? @ MSG 8:00
Fri Dec  2 Harvard
Sat Dec  3 Dartmouth

Fri Dec 30-Sun Jan 1 ???
Fri Jan  6 @ Union
Sat Jan  7 @ RPI
Fri Jan 13 OOC or Colgate???
Sat Jan 14 OOC or Colgate???
Fri Jan 20 Quinnipiac
Sat Jan 21 Princeton
Fri Jan 27 @ Dartmouth
Sat Jan 28 @ Harvard
Fri Feb  3 RPI
Sat Feb  4 Union
Fri Feb 10 OOC or Colgate???
Sat Feb 11 OOC or Colgate???
Fri Feb 17 Clarkson
Sat Feb 18 SLU
Fri Feb 24 @ Brown
Sat Feb 25 @ Yale

Fri-Sun Mar 3-5 ECAC Prelims
Fri-Sun Mar 10-12 ECAC Quarters
Fri Mar 17 ECAC Semis @ Lake Placid
Sat Mar 18 ECAC Finals @ Lake Placid

Thu-Sun Mar 23-26 Regionals E @ Total Mortgage Arena, Bridgeport & MW @ PPL Center, Allentown
Thu-Sun Mar 23-26 Regionals NE @ SNHU Arena, Manchester & W @ Scheels Arena, Fargo
Thu Apr  6 NCAA Semis @ Amelie Arena, Tampa
Sat Apr  8 NCAA Finals @ Amelie Arena, Tampa


Thanks, Jim.

Update #1,  Change the heading from Cornell 2021-22 Schedule to Cornell 2022-23 Schedule  :)

Quote from: David HardingUpdate #1,  Change the heading from Cornell 2021-22 Schedule to Cornell 2022-23 Schedule  :)

Good idea.

Thanks, as always, for putting this together, Jim. I've already entered the ECAC dates on my calendar.

As for typos, etc., the November 4 listing for Princeton needs an one more 'n.' :)

Thanks again!
                                 Andy

North Dakota broadcasters said that UND will be at Lynah in "early January" next season, so I'm guessing that 13/14 weekend.

I posted on game thread they said first weekend, but are they wrong?

Article in today's (1/7/22) Grand Fork Herald states that "UND will play at Cornell next season at the same time of year--right after Christmas break." No exact dates were given.

Litigious bunch of fans chanting "Let's go sue". :)

Whoops. Should be in the ND game 2 thread - so sue me!

Quote from: Roy 82Litigious bunch of fans chanting "Let's go sue". :)

Whoops. Should be in the ND game 2 thread - so sue me!

+1

Do we care that Webster Bank Arena is now Total Mortgage Arena?

(I don't)

Quote from: Greenberg '97Do we care that Webster Bank Arena is now Total Mortgage Arena?

(I don't)

Agree, but I'll change it. However I don't understand the name. What's a non-total mortgage?

Quote from: Jim Hyla

Quote from: Greenberg '97Do we care that Webster Bank Arena is now Total Mortgage Arena?

(I don't)

Agree, but I'll change it. However I don't understand the name. What's a non-total mortgage?

Does that mean the arena is underwater?

Quote from: Jim Hyla

Quote from: Greenberg '97Do we care that Webster Bank Arena is now Total Mortgage Arena?

(I don't)

Agree, but I'll change it. However I don't understand the name. What's a non-total mortgage?

20% down, 80% mortgage.

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: Jim Hyla

Quote from: Greenberg '97Do we care that Webster Bank Arena is now Total Mortgage Arena?

(I don't)

Agree, but I'll change it. However I don't understand the name. What's a non-total mortgage?

20% down, 80% mortgage.

So you mean that Total Mortgage will finance 100% of the property?

Wow, I sure hope they're around after the next recession, when a large number of their mortgages could go under water

Quote from: Jim HylaWow, I sure hope they're around after the next recession, when a large number of their mortgages could go under water

Look, I appreciate that they're based in Connecticut, but is it sending the right message to acquire naming rights to an arena that sits in a flood zone?

Quote from: Greenberg '97

Quote from: Jim HylaWow, I sure hope they're around after the next recession, when a large number of their mortgages could go under water

Look, I appreciate that they're based in Connecticut, but is it sending the right message to acquire naming rights to an arena that sits in a flood zone?

Could be worse.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPDmtBlTdHgLSOZUE-BGsImbXaPpvSQRdSqg&usqp=CAU)

Current committed dates only:


Fri Nov  4 @ Princeton
[b]Sat Nov  5 @ Quinnipiac[/b]
Fri Nov 11 @ SLU
[b]Sat Nov 12 @ Clarkson[/b]
Fri Nov 18 Yale
Sat Nov 19 Brown
Sat Nov 26 vs TBD @ MSG
[b]Fri Dec  2 Harvard[/b]
Sat Dec  3 Dartmouth
Fri Jan  6 @ Union
Sat Jan  7 @ RPI
[b]Fri Jan 20 Quinnipiac[/b]
Sat Jan 21 Princeton
Fri Jan 27 @ Dartmouth
[b]Sat Jan 28 @ Harvard[/b]
Fri Feb  3 RPI
Sat Feb  4 Union
[b]Fri Feb 17 Clarkson[/b]
Sat Feb 18 SLU
Fri Feb 24 @ Brown
Sat Feb 25 @ Yale


Ball-busting start but I like the rest of the season assuming we are still intact.

Cornell will open at UMD next year.  That's a tough start, with UMD already having played 6 games and starting 4 weeks earlier.
https://www.therinklive.com/mens-division-1/nchc/umd-mens-hockey-arizona-state-cornell-wisconsin-bemidji-state-set-to-visit-bulldogs-in-2022-23

that seems aggressive

Quote from: jkahnCornell will open at UMD next year.  That's a tough start, with UMD already having played 6 games and starting 4 weeks earlier.
https://www.therinklive.com/mens-division-1/nchc/umd-mens-hockey-arizona-state-cornell-wisconsin-bemidji-state-set-to-visit-bulldogs-in-2022-23

I wonder how tough tickets are there. Only a brief six hour drive for me.

so you are saying you will put up the band for the weekend

Gulp.

Quote from: upprdeckthat seems aggressive

You can pretty much pencil in that UMD will be a top-10 team in the PWR at the end of every season these days. No one will accuse us of having a soft nonconference schedule in '22-'23

Do you think the UND is still happening?  Depending on whom we play at MSG this would be the strongest OOC we've had in a long time.

UND's schedule doesn't seem to have a series at Lynah for next season. I can't find the link, but they released their schedule earlier in the week

Quote from: IcebergUND's schedule doesn't seem to have a series at Lynah for next season. I can't find the link, but they released their schedule earlier in the week

North Dakota's schedule shows Jan. 6-7 Nonconference TBD.  So it may take some schedule juggling by one team or both to make the series happen in '22-'23.  During the series at Grand Forks the announcers said that they would be at Cornell at the beginning of January, but apparently that's not necessarily set at this point.
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/und-to-open-2022-23-hockey-season-with-marquee-games

Wasn't UND supposed to play at Lynah in fall 20-21?

Quote from: underskillWasn't UND supposed to play at Lynah in fall 20-21?

Yes, we were going to open the season playing them.

maybe the roads wont be plowed yet to get out of there

According to April 25th 2022 article in Grand Forks Herald, "UND was originally supposed to travel to Cornell the weekend of Jan. 6-7 2023, but the Big Red have a scheduling conflict with a league game. UND and Cornell will work to find a future date for that series in Ithaca, N.Y."

Per the UCONN athletics blog, we may be playing UCONN at MSG this year.
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/4/28/23046445/uconn-huskies-hockeys-2022-23-non-conference-opponents-nearly-set

Quote from: jkahnPer the UCONN athletics blog, we may be playing UCONN at MSG this year.
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/4/28/23046445/uconn-huskies-hockeys-2022-23-non-conference-opponents-nearly-set

Boring but makes sense.

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: jkahnPer the UCONN athletics blog, we may be playing UCONN at MSG this year.
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/4/28/23046445/uconn-huskies-hockeys-2022-23-non-conference-opponents-nearly-set

Boring but makes sense.

UConn program is a program on the rise. Its new arena (https://www.uscho.com/2021/05/28/uconns-new-crown-jewel-of-an-arena-set-to-prove-that-bigger-isnt-always-better/) is scheduled to open in time for the upcoming season. There are a lot of UConn alums in NY, and of course it's not hard to get from Connecticut to New York City! The Huskies should bring in more fans than some of the other teams we've played at MSG.

Quote from: dbilmes

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: jkahnPer the UCONN athletics blog, we may be playing UCONN at MSG this year.
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/4/28/23046445/uconn-huskies-hockeys-2022-23-non-conference-opponents-nearly-set

Boring but makes sense.

UConn program is a program on the rise. Its new arena (https://www.uscho.com/2021/05/28/uconns-new-crown-jewel-of-an-arena-set-to-prove-that-bigger-isnt-always-better/) is scheduled to open in time for the upcoming season. There are a lot of UConn alums in NY, and of course it's not hard to get from Connecticut to New York City! The Huskies should bring in more fans than some of the other teams we've played at MSG.

They say "not sold in Storrs" for a reason.

UConn is awful (I mean spiritually and aesthetically, not hockeywise) but inevitable and they can help keep attendance up and MSG a thing, so it's worth it.  I expect LIU will eventually join the rotation.  You need schools where L.I. kids who didn't get into Cornell wind up (insert BU joke here).

Quote from: dbilmes

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: jkahnPer the UCONN athletics blog, we may be playing UCONN at MSG this year.
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/4/28/23046445/uconn-huskies-hockeys-2022-23-non-conference-opponents-nearly-set

Boring but makes sense.

UConn program is a program on the rise. Its new arena (https://www.uscho.com/2021/05/28/uconns-new-crown-jewel-of-an-arena-set-to-prove-that-bigger-isnt-always-better/) is scheduled to open in time for the upcoming season. There are a lot of UConn alums in NY, and of course it's not hard to get from Connecticut to New York City! The Huskies should bring in more fans than some of the other teams we've played at MSG.

Agreed. Big school and at least it's out of conference. Could be a lot worse

Quote from: CU2007

Quote from: dbilmes

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: jkahnPer the UCONN athletics blog, we may be playing UCONN at MSG this year.
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/4/28/23046445/uconn-huskies-hockeys-2022-23-non-conference-opponents-nearly-set

Boring but makes sense.

UConn program is a program on the rise. Its new arena (https://www.uscho.com/2021/05/28/uconns-new-crown-jewel-of-an-arena-set-to-prove-that-bigger-isnt-always-better/) is scheduled to open in time for the upcoming season. There are a lot of UConn alums in NY, and of course it's not hard to get from Connecticut to New York City! The Huskies should bring in more fans than some of the other teams we've played at MSG.

Agreed. Big school and at least it's out of conference. Could be a lot worse

I'm on the boring side of the fence. You can't tell me the rest of the ncaa hockey country isn't aware of this game. We should be pulling in BC, ND, Michigan , Wisconsin, Denver, etc. every other year easily. I get BU every other year, but come on. We need a big OOC game here every time. I hate the rangers, but it's MSG, the "most famous arena in the world". We can do better. We should do better. Just my two cents.

1) dinner with family in koreatown

2) walk over to the arena among a crowd of red

3) watch a game against [don't care much]

tbh it's not the playoffs. i'd rather take the Q back to brooklyn in the afterglow of a W than see the stars of Western hockey.  ymmv and i understand.

Number one priority should be filling the stadium. The whole point is the atmosphere. UConn is a good choice from that perspective. Michigan has the Ohio State football game that day, so their fans are distracted. Wisconsin probably doesn't have that many alums in NYC? Maybe I'm wrong. Notre Dame would be a good pick, lots of alumni and I don't think they play a football game that day as they are not in a conference. I suspect Denver doesn't have enough local alumni. BC would be interesting, that could work I suppose.

I'm definitely fine with UConn, though. Hockey East program, big name, decent recent success, lots of alumni in the area.

That weekend Is often when Notre Dame plays USC in football.

UConn just signed its coach to a new contract and a big raise. (https://uconnhuskies.com/news/2022/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-cavanaugh-signs-new-six-year-contract-to-lead-mens-hockey-program.aspx)

Quote from: WederThat weekend Is often when Notre Dame plays USC in football.

Yup, they're @USC/@Stanford alternating years.  And a lot of other CFB programs save their rivalry games for that weekend too, so any school with a P5 CFB team might be distracted.  So BU and other HE powers might work.  With western schools, that eliminates all of ones large enough to have a major NYC presence (which is a wordy way of saying "Big 10 schools").

Quote from: BearLoverNumber one priority should be filling the stadium. The whole point is the atmosphere. UConn is a good choice from that perspective. Michigan has the Ohio State football game that day, so their fans are distracted. Wisconsin probably doesn't have that many alums in NYC? Maybe I'm wrong. Notre Dame would be a good pick, lots of alumni and I don't think they play a football game that day as they are not in a conference. I suspect Denver doesn't have enough local alumni. BC would be interesting, that could work I suppose.

I'm definitely fine with UConn, though. Hockey East program, big name, decent recent success, lots of alumni in the area.

Disagree about Wisconsin - they have a huge NY presence (Packers bars are *hopping* during football season). I agree overall with your point about packing the house. I wouldn't mind a good opponent but I like taking my kid to a game where we win.

Disregard my comment about Notre Dame! Sounds like Hockey East is the way to go. BTW, UConn hasn't been a weak program recently. They've been average to above average.

Quote from: ugarte

Quote from: BearLoverNumber one priority should be filling the stadium. The whole point is the atmosphere. UConn is a good choice from that perspective. Michigan has the Ohio State football game that day, so their fans are distracted. Wisconsin probably doesn't have that many alums in NYC? Maybe I'm wrong. Notre Dame would be a good pick, lots of alumni and I don't think they play a football game that day as they are not in a conference. I suspect Denver doesn't have enough local alumni. BC would be interesting, that could work I suppose.

I'm definitely fine with UConn, though. Hockey East program, big name, decent recent success, lots of alumni in the area.

Disagree about Wisconsin - they have a huge NY presence (Packers bars are *hopping* during football season). I agree overall with your point about packing the house. I wouldn't mind a good opponent but I like taking my kid to a game where we win.

If you want to see Cornell win, invite RPI. :) They have played each other once at the MSG, over the Holidays in 1969-70, a 9-0 Cornell win.

Quote from: dbilmesUConn just signed its coach to a new contract and a big raise. (https://uconnhuskies.com/news/2022/6/2/mens-ice-hockey-cavanaugh-signs-new-six-year-contract-to-lead-mens-hockey-program.aspx)

They gave Cavanaugh millions of reasons to stay far away from considering the BC job. He spent 18 years as York's assistant.

Quote from: BearLoverDisregard my comment about Notre Dame! Sounds like Hockey East is the way to go. BTW, UConn hasn't been a weak program recently. They've been average to above average.

2021-22 was their first winning season since joining HEA. They did make it to the conference final, but it was a particularly weak year for that league of castoffs.

Quote from: BearLoverNumber one priority should be filling the stadium..

Not sure if I posted this before. WSJ says the cost to rent MSG for an event is $350,000. $19.40 a seat if all 18,006 are filled.

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: BearLoverNumber one priority should be filling the stadium..

Not sure if I posted this before. WSJ says the cost to rent MSG for an event is $350,000. $19.40 a seat if all 18,006 are filled.

seems cheap!

Cornell/North Dakota series in Ithaca in 2024-25
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/und-cornell-set-date-for-series-in-ithaca-n-y

Is there any indication when a complete schedule for will be released?  Seems a little late to me.

Cornell vs Sacred Heart tuesday November 22nd.

Quote from: ClarksonHockeyCornell vs Sacred Heart tuesday November 22nd.

In Ithaca I assume?

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: ClarksonHockeyCornell vs Sacred Heart tuesday November 22nd.

In Ithaca I assume?

Yes.

Cornell & AIC on New Years Eve according to CHN

Meant to post at AIC.  Leaves two games left to complete the schedule most likely the following weekend.
Any info from anyone at this point?

Quote from: wakeCornell & AIC on New Years Eve according to CHN

Unless they're doing it at MSG after Frank Zappa's ghost, that is not going to be well attended.

Quote from: wakeMeant to post at AIC.  Leaves two games left to complete the schedule most likely the following weekend.
Any info from anyone at this point?

The AIC site says it's a two-game series Dec. 29-30 at Lynah.
https://aicyellowjackets.com/news/2022/6/28/mens-ice-hockey-ice-hockey-announces-2022-23-schedule.aspx

Correction necessary. Just read a release from AIC athletic department. According to the article
AIC will play at Cornell for games on Dec 29th and 30th.  Bad info from CHN. Come on Adam.
Now just one game to fill in.

The scheduling debacle regarding the North Dakota series obviously left us scrambling late to fill the schedule.  Over a year ago, North Dakota was scheduled to be at Lynah this coming Jan. 6 and 7 but somehow the ECAC either wasn't informed (or didn't care?) and scheduled conference games for us the same weekend, causing us to have to push back North Dakota another two years. Not sure where things slipped through the cracks, but filling the schedule with games vs. SHU and AIC won't help our RPI much if we win them, since Opponent's opponents win % is worth twice as much as Opponent's win %.

But are the NoDak fans concerned?

Quote from: French RageBut are the NoDak fans concerned?

Probably, they wound up picking up two games vs. Lindenwood to fill the gap.  On the other hand, after losing two to Cornell last year, they may feel good about the change.

So it now appears that the Cornell vs AIC games are a home and home series.  First game 12/29 in Ithaca and second in Springfield. Ma on New years Eve.
Curious as to the times of each game

Quote from: jkahn

Quote from: French RageBut are the NoDak fans concerned?

Probably, they wound up picking up two games vs. Lindenwood to fill the gap.  On the other hand, after losing two to Cornell last year, they may feel good about the change.

That's a federal correctional facility, if memory serves.
Actually, in St. Charles, Misssouri.

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: jkahn

Quote from: French RageBut are the NoDak fans concerned?

Probably, they wound up picking up two games vs. Lindenwood to fill the gap.  On the other hand, after losing two to Cornell last year, they may feel good about the change.

That's a federal correctional facility, if memory serves.
Actually, in St. Charles, Misssouri.

The ultimate penalty box.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: billhoward[Lindenwood's] a federal correctional facility, if memory serves.
Actually, in St. Charles, Misssouri.

The ultimate penalty box.

Nicely played.

No real home games until November 18 (when many students travel home for Thanksgiving)? That would make the Harvard game on December 2 the first real taste of Lynah this year. Please no more limited COVID seating.

the way covid is going it does make you wonder what the school does this next season..  this variant is worse for spreading and the numbers are higher than last fall.

Quote from: upprdeckthe way covid is going it does make you wonder what the school does this next season..  this variant is worse for spreading and the numbers are higher than last fall.

Covid sucks, but we need to live with it at this point, or else we are going to have no eating/drinking and limited attendance off and on for the next 100 years.

Schedule is out. (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule/2022-23) MSG opponent is still listed as TBD. Also, a rare Thursday night exhibition game.

Quote from: wakeSo it now appears that the Cornell vs AIC games are a home and home series.  First game 12/29 in Ithaca and second in Springfield. Ma on New years Eve.
Curious as to the times of each game

Turns out they're both at Lynah so I would expect a trip to Springfield in a future season

Quote from: Iceberg

Quote from: wakeSo it now appears that the Cornell vs AIC games are a home and home series.  First game 12/29 in Ithaca and second in Springfield. Ma on New years Eve.
Curious as to the times of each game

Turns out they're both at Lynah so I would expect a trip to Springfield in a future season

Schafer doesn't have the strongest record on reciprocal arrangements with AHA schools so I wouldn't go as far as to expect a trip to Springfield.

SHU is opening a new building next January  with BC and Harvard coming in. Will be interesting to see who else they can draw to probably the closest D1 arena to NYC.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: upprdeckthe way covid is going it does make you wonder what the school does this next season..  this variant is worse for spreading and the numbers are higher than last fall.

Covid sucks, but we need to live with it at this point, or else we are going to have no eating/drinking and limited attendance off and on for the next 100 years.

That's not how medicine works.

Quote from: Chris '03

Quote from: Iceberg

Quote from: wakeSo it now appears that the Cornell vs AIC games are a home and home series.  First game 12/29 in Ithaca and second in Springfield. Ma on New years Eve.
Curious as to the times of each game

Turns out they're both at Lynah so I would expect a trip to Springfield in a future season

Schafer doesn't have the strongest record on reciprocal arrangements with AHA schools so I wouldn't go as far as to expect a trip to Springfield.

SHU is opening a new building next January  with BC and Harvard coming in. Will be interesting to see who else they can draw to probably the closest D1 arena to NYC.

Don't forget about LIU, although they play at the Islanders' practice facility if you meant an on-campus rink.
Also, I was bored, so West Point is 50.1 miles from Central Park and Hobey Baker Rink is 54.9 miles, according to Google Maps. The Fairfield campus is 56.4 miles away.

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: upprdeckthe way covid is going it does make you wonder what the school does this next season..  this variant is worse for spreading and the numbers are higher than last fall.

Covid sucks, but we need to live with it at this point, or else we are going to have no eating/drinking and limited attendance off and on for the next 100 years.

That's not how medicine works.

What?

not sure that a mask mandate really had much of an effect on attendance last year, the school chose to limit capacity but i doubt they would go that route again.

Quote from: upprdecknot sure that a mask mandate really had much of an effect on attendance last year, the school chose to limit capacity but i doubt they would go that route again.

I am alright with a mask mandate, but people need to be allowed to eat and drink during the game, which they weren't able to do last year. Last years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted. Also, with everyone packed in so tightly and shouting the whole game, I'm not sure masks accomplish much.

Limiting attendance at this point would be ridiculous.

they struggled to even find ushers last year. getting people to work concessions has been a problem for awhile as well

Given the rapidly changing situation that is COVID, I'll just say that we don't know what things will look like.

By the start of the season, things could be great, terrible, or anywhere in between.

Quote from: DafatoneGiven the rapidly changing situation that is COVID, I'll just say that we don't know what things will look like.

By the start of the season, things could be great, terrible, or anywhere in between.

Cases numbers could be low, high, or in between, you mean? Sure, but that should have no bearing on attendance restrictions. Everyone who participates in society over the coming decades will get COVID at some point (likely multiple times). People can get vaccinated and take Paxlovid to significantly mitigate risk of a severe case. 99% of other events (sporting events, concerts, etc.) across the country are fully open with no restrictions whatsoever. Cornell restricting attendance is going to accomplish nothing beyond killing the atmosphere at Lynah and making it less fun to go to a game.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: DafatoneGiven the rapidly changing situation that is COVID, I'll just say that we don't know what things will look like.

By the start of the season, things could be great, terrible, or anywhere in between.

Cases numbers could be low, high, or in between, you mean? Sure, but that should have no bearing on attendance restrictions. Everyone who participates in society over the coming decades will get COVID at some point (likely multiple times). People can get vaccinated and take Paxlovid to significantly mitigate risk of a severe case. 99% of other events (sporting events, concerts, etc.) across the country are fully open with no restrictions whatsoever. Cornell restricting attendance is going to accomplish nothing beyond killing the atmosphere at Lynah and making it less fun to go to a game.

If there's some society-ending new variant, there won't be hockey. If COVID's over, there will be hockey and no restrictions.

Given that the reality will be between those extremes, let's see where we are at before declaring what should be done.

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: DafatoneGiven the rapidly changing situation that is COVID, I'll just say that we don't know what things will look like.

By the start of the season, things could be great, terrible, or anywhere in between.

Cases numbers could be low, high, or in between, you mean? Sure, but that should have no bearing on attendance restrictions. Everyone who participates in society over the coming decades will get COVID at some point (likely multiple times). People can get vaccinated and take Paxlovid to significantly mitigate risk of a severe case. 99% of other events (sporting events, concerts, etc.) across the country are fully open with no restrictions whatsoever. Cornell restricting attendance is going to accomplish nothing beyond killing the atmosphere at Lynah and making it less fun to go to a game.

If there's some society-ending new variant, there won't be hockey. If COVID's over, there will be hockey and no restrictions.

Given that the reality will be between those extremes, let's see where we are at before declaring what should be done.

Well sure, if something happens at the tail end of the distribution, we/Cornell can recalibrate. At this point, though, the vast likelihood is that we continue down the path of oscillating case counts for a disease that is unavoidable but also unlikely to be severe.

Cornell needs to make a decision on what (if any) restrictions to put in place before season tickets go on sale. Unless once again the school isn't going to sell season tickets, which would neuter Lynah for yet another season.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: DafatoneGiven the rapidly changing situation that is COVID, I'll just say that we don't know what things will look like.

By the start of the season, things could be great, terrible, or anywhere in between.

Cases numbers could be low, high, or in between, you mean? Sure, but that should have no bearing on attendance restrictions. Everyone who participates in society over the coming decades will get COVID at some point (likely multiple times). People can get vaccinated and take Paxlovid to significantly mitigate risk of a severe case. 99% of other events (sporting events, concerts, etc.) across the country are fully open with no restrictions whatsoever. Cornell restricting attendance is going to accomplish nothing beyond killing the atmosphere at Lynah and making it less fun to go to a game.

If there's some society-ending new variant, there won't be hockey. If COVID's over, there will be hockey and no restrictions.

Given that the reality will be between those extremes, let's see where we are at before declaring what should be done.

Well sure, if something happens at the tail end of the distribution, we/Cornell can recalibrate. At this point, though, the vast likelihood is that we continue down the path of oscillating case counts for a disease that is unavoidable but also unlikely to be severe.

Cornell needs to make a decision on what (if any) restrictions to put in place before season tickets go on sale. Unless once again the school isn't going to sell season tickets, which would neuter Lynah for yet another season.

The following e-mail was sent out by the Office of the Provost on Thursday morning:

All faculty, staff, and graduate and professional students are invited to participate in a town hall on Wednesday, July 27 from 12-1 p.m. Panelists will discuss the university's COVID-19 guidance for the start of the fall semester. A separate town hall for undergraduate students and parents will be held in August.
 
Panelists

    Mike Kotlikoff, Provost
    Gary Koretzky, Vice Provost for Academic Integration
    Lisa Nishii, Vice Provost for Undergraduate Education
    Mary Opperman, Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer

Moderator

    Joel Malina, Vice President for University Relations

Town Hall log-in details
Wednesday, July 27, 12-1 p.m.
Zoom link: https://cornell.zoom.us/j/99021024777?pwd=QjBpSFFoakUxcEY4STZYMHlUejNQQT09
Webinar ID: 990 2102 4777
Passcode: 947808
One tap mobile: US: +16468769923,,99021024777# or +16465189805,,99021024777#
International numbers available: https://cornell.zoom.us/u/adzmOEQelW
 
Submit questions by noon on Monday, July 25 via this Qualtrics Survey (http://t01.list.cornell.edu/t/4028175/77200725/2160044/1046/).

As very few are walking around with a mask right now, there is a good chance they dont do much but monitor things..  Knowing that with the current numbers in the state that about 1-in-500 people is sick it does make you wonder what to do..

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

The water fountains in the rink were perfectly functional when I was there in November. Ironic, though, since one would think it would be safer if people drank from their own bottles

Quote from: IcebergThe water fountains in the rink were perfectly functional when I was there in November. Ironic, though, since one would think it would be safer if people drank from their own bottles

Given that SARS-CoV-2 is very unlikely to be transmitted via fomites or water, there's really nothing to worry about. Drinking fountains are great, and the only reason they've been shut off is for sanitation theater. Just make sure to drink from the stream instead of putting your mouth over the tap like a four-year-old might.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

Works to accomplish what, exactly? What's the goal here? To marginally reduce spread of a virus everyone is going to get anyway?

The fact people aren't getting permanent damage from something is not sufficient justification for that thing. You have to show the benefits outweigh the costs. And in so doing, you have to define what the benefits and the costs are.

Not being able to grab food during intermission is a cost. Being hoarse the next day is a cost. Losing your gig as an employee at the concession stand is a cost. Lost revenue is a cost. None of these things result in "permanent damage," hopefully, but they are costs.

And we must weigh those costs against the "benefit" that comes from people keeping their masks on an additional ~5 minutes per person, over the course of a game.

In my view, that benefit approaches zero. That's partially because the reduced likelihood of Covid spreading over those ~5 minutes is very small, given the guy eating a pretzel is already going to be standing next to/talking to the lady next to him for two hours, which is well enough time for Covid to spread, from one to the other, mask or no mask. But more than that, the trajectory of the virus has made it so that everyone has already gotten it, or will get it, regardless of whether it happens at a Cornell hockey game. Everything else is open with no restrictions. If someone doesn't get Covid from a game at Lynah, they'll get it from traveling, or dinner with friends, or a frat party. Unless all of society acts in cohesion, nothing that Cornell does by itself can stop Covid from spreading. And, even if all of society were to act in cohesion, all this would do is delay the time it takes for people to contract the virus—it would not prevent them from contracting the virus long-term.

That's the world we live in now. People need to accept it and stop trying to project the illusion that this virus can be controlled. We should thank modern medicine for giving us vaccines and therapeutics that significantly reduce severity, and go back to living our lives. Or, at least, Cornell should afford us the option to live our lives, should we so choose.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

Works to accomplish what, exactly? What's the goal here? To marginally reduce spread of a virus everyone is going to get anyway?

The fact people aren't getting permanent damage from something is not sufficient justification for that thing. You have to show the benefits outweigh the costs. And in so doing, you have to define what the benefits and the costs are.

Not being able to grab food during intermission is a cost. Being hoarse the next day is a cost. Losing your gig as an employee at the concession stand is a cost. Lost revenue is a cost. None of these things result in "permanent damage," hopefully, but they are costs.

And we must weigh those costs against the "benefit" that comes from people keeping their masks on an additional ~5 minutes per person, over the course of a game.

In my view, that benefit approaches zero. That's partially because the reduced likelihood of Covid spreading over those ~5 minutes is very small, given the guy eating a pretzel is already going to be standing next to/talking to the lady next to him for two hours, which is well enough time for Covid to spread, from one to the other, mask or no mask. But more than that, the trajectory of the virus has made it so that everyone has already gotten it, or will get it, regardless of whether it happens at a Cornell hockey game. Everything else is open with no restrictions. If someone doesn't get Covid from a game at Lynah, they'll get it from traveling, or dinner with friends, or a frat party. Unless all of society acts in cohesion, nothing that Cornell does by itself can stop Covid from spreading. And, even if all of society were to act in cohesion, all this would do is delay the time it takes for people to contract the virus—it would not prevent them from contracting the virus long-term.

That's the world we live in now. People need to accept it and stop trying to project the illusion that this virus can be controlled. We should thank modern medicine for giving us vaccines and therapeutics that significantly reduce severity, and go back to living our lives. Or, at least, Cornell should afford us the option to live our lives, should we so choose.

To add, with the current variants, if you're vaccinated and boosted the severity is generally not high.  If you're not, then the risk is higher.  But if you're not vaccinated and boosted by now, you clearly don't care about your risk. Of course there are exceptions, but that's the general situation.

So all of these current measures are trying to protect people who don't want to be protected anyway. They've made their choice. So I agree, let's move on.

Umm, hockey schedule updates anyone?

Quote from: dag14Umm, hockey schedule updates anyone?

Didn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Tough start to the year though.  4 out of the first 6 games at UMD, QU and Clarkson has the potential to be ROUGH.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

Works to accomplish what, exactly? What's the goal here? To marginally reduce spread of a virus everyone is going to get anyway?

The fact people aren't getting permanent damage from something is not sufficient justification for that thing. You have to show the benefits outweigh the costs. And in so doing, you have to define what the benefits and the costs are.

Not being able to grab food during intermission is a cost. Being hoarse the next day is a cost. Losing your gig as an employee at the concession stand is a cost. Lost revenue is a cost. None of these things result in "permanent damage," hopefully, but they are costs.

And we must weigh those costs against the "benefit" that comes from people keeping their masks on an additional ~5 minutes per person, over the course of a game.

In my view, that benefit approaches zero. That's partially because the reduced likelihood of Covid spreading over those ~5 minutes is very small, given the guy eating a pretzel is already going to be standing next to/talking to the lady next to him for two hours, which is well enough time for Covid to spread, from one to the other, mask or no mask. But more than that, the trajectory of the virus has made it so that everyone has already gotten it, or will get it, regardless of whether it happens at a Cornell hockey game. Everything else is open with no restrictions. If someone doesn't get Covid from a game at Lynah, they'll get it from traveling, or dinner with friends, or a frat party. Unless all of society acts in cohesion, nothing that Cornell does by itself can stop Covid from spreading. And, even if all of society were to act in cohesion, all this would do is delay the time it takes for people to contract the virus—it would not prevent them from contracting the virus long-term.

That's the world we live in now. People need to accept it and stop trying to project the illusion that this virus can be controlled. We should thank modern medicine for giving us vaccines and therapeutics that significantly reduce severity, and go back to living our lives. Or, at least, Cornell should afford us the option to live our lives, should we so choose.

Bang. Louder for the people in the back.

Yes, we need to consider a lot of important things when these decisions are made.  As you point out, the economic impact to vendors and others at the game whose livelihood depends on the purchase of food or drink is something we should very much keep in mind as they are heavily impacted.  And the presence and effectiveness of masks, and what marginal impact they have on a campus where there is already plenty of social interaction outside of a hockey game, is also worthy of consideration.

Far far far down on the list is you have to go a whopping 2.5 hours without food or drink.

Quote from: dag14Umm, hockey schedule updates anyone?

Looks like it's officially released.

https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule

still no opponent for MSG? weird.

Quote from: ugartestill no opponent for MSG? weird.

It's the Red/White scrimmage.

We'll still buy tickets.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: French Rage

Quote from: BearLoverLast years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

Don't you mean "dying with thirst"?

Quote from: DisplacedCornellianDidn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

Quote from: jtwcornell91

Quote from: DisplacedCornellianDidn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

So I wonder if this is the start of the long-discussed plan to play at Agganis/Lynah in non-MSG years.

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: jtwcornell91

Quote from: DisplacedCornellianDidn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

So I wonder if this is the start of the long-discussed plan to play at Agganis/Lynah in non-MSG years.

That would be awesome.  The MSG game is great, but it's been 20 years since we played BU on either campus.  And those last two series at Walter Brown in 2001 and Lynah in 2002 were legendary.

Quote from: jtwcornell91

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: jtwcornell91

Quote from: DisplacedCornellianDidn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

So I wonder if this is the start of the long-discussed plan to play at Agganis/Lynah in non-MSG years.

That would be awesome.  The MSG game is great, but it's been 20 years since we played BU on either campus.  And those last two series at Walter Brown in 2001 and Lynah in 2002 were legendary.

That would get my old ass back to Boston.

Saw this on the twitter.  Not saying it's true or happening...

https://twitter.com/AaronSnyderCDS/status/1552031624702951425

Quote from: jts15Saw this on the twitter.  Not saying it's true or happening...

https://twitter.com/AaronSnyderCDS/status/1552031624702951425

Yawn......

Curious that in the non-BU years, we can't more interesting opposition.  You'd think NYC and MSG would be an incentive.  It's occasionally been good-Michigan, Harvard, but also UNH, UConn, and Penn State.  You'd think a BC or a Notre Dame would be interested and of course both are major draws.

Quote from: arugulaCurious that in the non-BU years, we can't more interesting opposition.  You'd think NYC and MSG would be an incentive.  It's occasionally been good-Michigan, Harvard, but also UNH, UConn, and Penn State.  You'd think a BC or a Notre Dame would be interested and of course both are major draws.

UNH, UConn, and Penn State are above average programs that are also strong draws (with the exception of UNH).

Not sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

Penn State played Princeton in Philadelphia a few years ago and that arena was 95-99% Penn State people. Of course, Philadelphia has a larger concentration of PSU alums than NYC, but I don't think it'll be a problem getting them out since enough graduates do go to NYC if they don't stay in Pennsylvania

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

UConn has been back in D1 for 20+ years and still hasn't made the NCAAs, and they just won a Hockey East postseason game for the first time this past season after joining the conference in 2014.

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

UConn has been back in D1 for 20+ years and still hasn't made the NCAAs, and they just won a Hockey East postseason game for the first time this past season after joining the conference in 2014.

Huh.

lets see if this game really happens before we worry about it being a draw or not

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

UConn has been back in D1 for 20+ years and still hasn't made the NCAAs, and they just won a Hockey East postseason game for the first time this past season after joining the conference in 2014.

The school is building a new (too small) on campus arena and making an effort to make hockey relevant (and fill the void left by the whalers in Hartford). They were an afterthought in Atlantic hockey in a rink that made the northford ice pavilion look spacious. The program is on the upswing for the first time. Is it a brand name on college hockey? No. Is it a brand name in New York and is there a high concentration of alumni in the area? Yes. I'd much rather see UConn in this game than another ecac opponent.

Quote from: Chris '03

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

UConn has been back in D1 for 20+ years and still hasn't made the NCAAs, and they just won a Hockey East postseason game for the first time this past season after joining the conference in 2014.

The school is building a new (too small) on campus arena and making an effort to make hockey relevant (and fill the void left by the whalers in Hartford). They were an afterthought in Atlantic hockey in a rink that made the northford ice pavilion look spacious. The program is on the upswing for the first time. Is it a brand name on college hockey? No. Is it a brand name in New York and is there a high concentration of alumni in the area? Yes. I'd much rather see UConn in this game than another ecac opponent.

UConn is recruiting very well. They have an incoming freshman who may be a top-10 pick in next year's NHL draft.

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

UConn has been back in D1 for 20+ years and still hasn't made the NCAAs, and they just won a Hockey East postseason game for the first time this past season after joining the conference in 2014.

I don't recall them ever being D-I earlier. At the time whebn the ECAC split into D-I and D-III leagues in the early 1960's, they played on an outdoor, uncovered rink.

I thought Penn State hockey traveled pretty well to MSG.

Quote from: ursusminor

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

UConn has been back in D1 for 20+ years and still hasn't made the NCAAs, and they just won a Hockey East postseason game for the first time this past season after joining the conference in 2014.

I don't recall them ever being D-I earlier. At the time whebn the ECAC split into D-I and D-III leagues in the early 1960's, they played on an outdoor, uncovered rink.

I was going by this, which lists them as an ECAC member from 1961-64. Was the ECAC a mix of teams from all divisions back then?

Maybe I should have been clearer.  I didn't really mean draw in the sense of do they have a fanbase in the NYC area.  I really meant are they high profile enough to make this a big event.  Notre Dame, BC, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Denver are schools which haven't been to MSG who are quite high profile, even if Wisconsin isn't good anymore.

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: ursusminor

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: Dafatone

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaNot sure that UConn is a draw. Penn state generally is a draw, but penn state hockey?

UConn basketball, yes.  UConn hockey?  UConn has hockey?

I think it's new. I could see them being like ASU where they get competitive-ish pretty quick.

UConn has been back in D1 for 20+ years and still hasn't made the NCAAs, and they just won a Hockey East postseason game for the first time this past season after joining the conference in 2014.

I don't recall them ever being D-I earlier. At the time whebn the ECAC split into D-I and D-III leagues in the early 1960's, they played on an outdoor, uncovered rink.

I was going by this, which lists them as an ECAC member from 1961-64. Was the ECAC a mix of teams from all divisions back then?

I don't see the link to your source, but the ECAC was a mixture of all levels back then. 1964-65 was the first year that there were separate ECAC-I and ECAC-II leagues. Although UConn was a member of the ECAC through 63-64, I doubt that they played anyone who became ECAC-I in 1964. IIRC, all of the hockey-playing New England state schools were ECAC-II until UNH became ECAC-I a couple of years later.

1962 ECAC. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:1961%E2%80%9362_ECAC_Hockey_standings_(men))

Quote from: ursusminorIIRC, all of the hockey-playing New England state schools were ECAC-II until UNH became ECAC-I a couple of years later.

That's correct.  UNH's first year in ECAC Div. 1 was '66-'67, my freshman year, but they were still playing a lot of Div. 2 games that year.

This (https://www.uscho.com/faq/history-of-ncaa-and-ice-hockey/) is interesting as it specifically notes UConn.

I went to the UConn media guide.


"UConn Joins Atlantic Hockey 2003-04 • Record: 12-16-7 AHA Record: 9-10-5"

"Start of Division I Era.   UConn Joins Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC) 1998-99 • Record: 20-10-4 MAAC Record: 18-6-4"

-As of 1985 they were playing Ecac D2 or D3 (not clear which but we know it wasn't D1

Hpre 1985 they weren't D1 based on the list of opponents

Quote from: jkahn

Quote from: ursusminorIIRC, all of the hockey-playing New England state schools were ECAC-II until UNH became ECAC-I a couple of years later.

That's correct.  UNH's first year in ECAC Div. 1 was '66-'67, my freshman year, but they were still playing a lot of Div. 2 games that year.

I don't know about Cornell, but RPI also played some ECAC-II schools back then.

Quote from: ursusminor

Quote from: jkahn

Quote from: ursusminorIIRC, all of the hockey-playing New England state schools were ECAC-II until UNH became ECAC-I a couple of years later.

That's correct.  UNH's first year in ECAC Div. 1 was '66-'67, my freshman year, but they were still playing a lot of Div. 2 games that year.

I don't know about Cornell, but RPI also played some ECAC-II schools back then.

Williams (a loss), Ohio U. and Hamilton (twice) in 1961-1962.  Hamilton (twice) in 62-63.  AIC, Loyola and Hamilton in 63-64.  Hamilton (twice) in 64-65.

Ned finally fixed it in 65-66 with two at Denver.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ursusminor

Quote from: jkahn

Quote from: ursusminorIIRC, all of the hockey-playing New England state schools were ECAC-II until UNH became ECAC-I a couple of years later.

That's correct.  UNH's first year in ECAC Div. 1 was '66-'67, my freshman year, but they were still playing a lot of Div. 2 games that year.

I don't know about Cornell, but RPI also played some ECAC-II schools back then.

Williams (a loss), Ohio U. and Hamilton (twice) in 1961-1962.  Hamilton (twice) in 62-63.  AIC, Loyola and Hamilton in 63-64.  Hamilton (twice) in 64-65.

Ned finally fixed it in 65-66 with two at Denver.

RPI played and only defeated D-3 Union in OT when they won the NCAA championship in 1985.

Yes, "fill the arena [MSG]" is the game plan. That means schools with a lot of alumni living in metro NYC along with students who by Saturday have had enough of being back at home and want to get out.

So good schools to play Cornell at MSG would include Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, BU, BC, UMass. And UConn. Preferably not an ECAC school.

UConn will get good quickly. Yeah, its hockey rink has a small seating capacity, 2,700, but the amenties are first rate (locker rooms, private area for boosters post-game or banquets for 50-100, ice level lounge and club lounge). Opening has been pushed back from this fall to mid-January 2023. Perhaps UConn will play some big hockey games at Hartford Civic Center just as UConn football plays at Rentschler Field, East Hartford, site of the NCAA lax championship.

UMass went big when it built the Mullins Center in Amherst, 8,389 capacity for hockey, more for hoops (9,493) as the Minutemen hope for another coming of Julius Erving or John Calipari (as coach).

UConn hockey arena:

Quote from: billhowardYes, "fill the arena [MSG]" is the game plan. That means schools with a lot of alumni living in metro NYC along with students who by Saturday have had enough of being back at home and want to get out.

So good schools to play Cornell at MSG would include Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, BU, BC, UMass. And UConn. Preferably not an ECAC school.

UConn will get good quickly. Yeah, its hockey rink has a small seating capacity, 2,700, but the amenties are first rate (locker rooms, private area for boosters post-game or banquets for 50-100, ice level lounge and club lounge). Opening has been pushed back from this fall to mid-January 2023. Perhaps UConn will play some big hockey games at Hartford Civic Center just as UConn football plays at Rentschler Field, East Hartford, site of the NCAA lax championship.

UMass went big when it built the Mullins Center in Amherst, 8,389 capacity for hockey, more for hoops (9,493) as the Minutemen hope for another coming of Julius Erving or John Calipari (as coach).

UConn hockey arena:

UCONN will likely continue to play MOST games in Hartford as it has done since it joined HEA. The new rink is a complete waste of state money because it's too small to be useful. The school should have replaced gampel pavilion with a multipurpose arena like Mullins.

Quote from: arugulaMaybe I should have been clearer.  I didn't really mean draw in the sense of do they have a fanbase in the NYC area.  I really meant are they high profile enough to make this a big event.  Notre Dame, BC, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Denver are schools which haven't been to MSG who are quite high profile, even if Wisconsin isn't good anymore.

Sometimes it feels like the people on this forum think Cornell can just snap its fingers and get any hockey opponent or football coach it wants. Sure, Cornell would prefer to play a top 5 hockey program at MSG every year. But I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why that doesn't happen. (Notably, I don't think Ohio State or Denver would draw well despite being good programs.)

UConn is in Hockey East, has a lot of alumni in NYC, and doesn't have a major football game that same day like many other other colleges. And while the program hasn't had playoff success, they haven't been bad, and I don't think people on here appreciate just how much talent they have on their roster. In terms of attracting draft picks and hot recruiting commodities, they are actually ahead of Cornell. This is not to rehash the debate over whether that translates to wins, it's merely to say that they are not a no-name pushover like some are suggesting.

Not suggesting UCONN is a no-name pushover or that scheduling is easy.  Just seems that MSG would be some sort of enticement for a school to play us. Also, purely for my own selfishness, and I suspect that of other fans, one of those teams I listed would be more interesting than UCONN.  Just not a sexy game.  I was at the Penn State and UNH MSG games and while those are both medium successful teams, the games were a snooze and the place had little energy.  Conversely, a medium good Michigan team came to MSG and the game was fun and the atmosphere was great.

Quote from: arugulaNot suggesting UCONN is a no-name pushover or that scheduling is easy.  Just seems that MSG would be some sort of enticement for a school to play us. Also, purely for my own selfishness, and I suspect that of other fans, one of those teams I listed would be more interesting than UCONN.  Just not a sexy game.  I was at the Penn State and UNH MSG games and while those are both medium successful teams, the games were a snooze and the place had little energy.  Conversely, a medium good Michigan team came to MSG and the game was fun and the atmosphere was great.

Cornell is investing in contests against teams that could be great in the future. Also maybe getting them into MSG makes them more likely be get them interested in a home and home series down the road. Would have good to have gotten UMass to play us 4, 5 years ago. Just not in the championship year.

or its because they couldnt find anyone willing to come play and you get what you can..

Right that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Only 30% of NCAA hockey players are Canadian.

https://collegehockeyinc.com/international-prospects.php

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Only 30% of NCAA hockey players are Canadian.

https://collegehockeyinc.com/international-prospects.php

I love that the picture is of Cornell.

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Only 30% of NCAA hockey players are Canadian.

https://collegehockeyinc.com/international-prospects.php

But they're all hockey culture.

MSG is nice and all, but it's not the hockey Mecca NYers think it is.  When I think of MSG I think of boxing, the Harlem Globetrotters, and that asswipe from Cold Spring Harbor.

Quote from: The Rancor

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Only 30% of NCAA hockey players are Canadian.

https://collegehockeyinc.com/international-prospects.php

I love that the picture is of Cornell.

I was curious, so a couple of minutes with past rosters and schedules suggest it's most likely March 2, 2019 right after Clarkson tied the game with under a minute left.

Quote from: The Rancor

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Only 30% of NCAA hockey players are Canadian.

https://collegehockeyinc.com/international-prospects.php

I love that the picture is of Cornell.

And I hate it because the picture is of clarksos celebrating a goal...

Except for the fact we just got scored on

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Only 30% of NCAA hockey players are Canadian.

https://collegehockeyinc.com/international-prospects.php

But they're all hockey culture.

MSG is nice and all, but it's not the hockey Mecca NYers think it is.  When I think of MSG I think of boxing, the Harlem Globetrotters, and that asswipe from Cold Spring Harbor.

Come on, man. You really think a college hockey player would rather go to Montreal or Toronto than NYC for a weekend trip with the rest of their team?

Quote from: abmarks

Quote from: The Rancor

Quote from: BearLover

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Only 30% of NCAA hockey players are Canadian.

https://collegehockeyinc.com/international-prospects.php

I love that the picture is of Cornell.

And I hate it because the picture is of clarksos celebrating a goal...

That was my take, too.

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaRight that's the thing I don't get. You would think MSG would be an incentive.

For the teams?  Only the east coast ones.  For the players?  Play in Montreal of Toronto and they'll kill to do it.

Not sure I agree that MSG is only an incentive for east coast schools. For example, Michigan, Wisconsin, and of course Notre Dame have enormous alumni bases in NY. To a lesser but not insignificant level, so does TOSU.  As to eastern schools, I'd love to see BC at MSG considering that they have a big NYC presence and the Leetch-Kreider connection with NYR.

I like how we all concentrated on the photo and completely derailed the conversation.  Cluck Farkson!

From Cornell Hockey Association e-mail dated 9/18/22:

Red-White game is Friday, October 14th at 7pm ... Lynah Rink

Need some hockey? Come out to Lynah Rink for the annual Red-White scrimmage. Free admission. Hear the Cornell Pep Band. Cheer on your returning and new players ... Men's and Women's teams will rotate in scrimmage play. Stay for the shootout!

Same weekend as home games against Lehigh football 1pm Saturday and Penn men's soccer 4 pm.

Finally, the official announcement: Frozen Apple (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/9/22/mens-ice-hockey-cornell-uconn-to-square-off-at-madison-square-garden-in-the-frozen-apple-game.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1NdUOUDfzmRwg2xXDPTjMbvDLVfyVL23qIz2Z9NQ6pj_Eq951r9x8c7gY). Feel free to parse the bad grammar and factual inaccuracies.

Yes the inaccuracies, bad grammar, and poor syntax are rather shocking.

Quote from: arugulaYes the inaccuracies, bad grammar, and poor syntax are rather shocking.

I don't know if Brandon Thomas still works for the Sports Information Office, but if he does, I'm sure this wasn't written by him.

Quote from: dbilmes

Quote from: arugulaYes the inaccuracies, bad grammar, and poor syntax are rather shocking.

I don't know if Brandon Thomas still works for the Sports Information Office, but if he does, I'm sure this wasn't written by him.

He doesn't. He left at the end of last season for another job at Cornell.

Quote from: ACMFinally, the official announcement: Frozen Apple (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/9/22/mens-ice-hockey-cornell-uconn-to-square-off-at-madison-square-garden-in-the-frozen-apple-game.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1NdUOUDfzmRwg2xXDPTjMbvDLVfyVL23qIz2Z9NQ6pj_Eq951r9x8c7gY). Feel free to parse the bad grammar and factual inaccuracies.

Well, Nash and Angello didn't graduate, but neither did Kurt Vonnegut'44, Richard Farina'59 and my classmate Harry Chapin'64, but we still love them.  And if they were alive, our alma mater would be asking them for money.  I'm sure Harvard counts Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg among its alumni.  Penn probably has misgivings about granting several of its former students degrees, though.
.

Quote from: George64

Quote from: ACMFinally, the official announcement: Frozen Apple (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/9/22/mens-ice-hockey-cornell-uconn-to-square-off-at-madison-square-garden-in-the-frozen-apple-game.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1NdUOUDfzmRwg2xXDPTjMbvDLVfyVL23qIz2Z9NQ6pj_Eq951r9x8c7gY). Feel free to parse the bad grammar and factual inaccuracies.

Well, Nash and Angello didn't graduate, but neither did Kurt Vonnegut'44, Richard Farina'59 and my classmate Harry Chapin'64, but we still love them.  And if they were alive, our alma mater would be asking them for money.  I'm sure Harvard counts Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg among its alumni.  Penn probably has misgivings about granting several of its former students degrees, though.
.

Alumni, yes - anyone who matriculated and hasn't expressly renounced their relationship is an alum. This... lovely piece of sports writing called them "recent grads."

Cornell hockey tickets are getting pricier each year. (https://qb1.glitnirticketing.com/qbticket/web/ev_list.php) If you want to watch us play the Pecknolds at the only ECAC rink with skating cheerleaders, you can buy a ticket today for $28. If you go to the Q-Colgate game the previous night, it will only cost you $22.

We wound up getting season tickets, actually we did as a gift from our kids. One of them a BU alum. Man, that must have hurt Greg to fork over his share.

#yieldmanagement

They're still a bargain.

Quote from: ACM

Quote from: dbilmes

Quote from: arugulaYes the inaccuracies, bad grammar, and poor syntax are rather shocking.

I don't know if Brandon Thomas still works for the Sports Information Office, but if he does, I'm sure this wasn't written by him.

He doesn't. He left at the end of last season for another job at Cornell.

https://www.cornell.edu/search/people.cfm?netid=blt44  ?

Quote from: David Harding

Quote from: ACM

Quote from: dbilmes

Quote from: arugulaYes the inaccuracies, bad grammar, and poor syntax are rather shocking.

I don't know if Brandon Thomas still works for the Sports Information Office, but if he does, I'm sure this wasn't written by him.

He doesn't. He left at the end of last season for another job at Cornell.

https://www.cornell.edu/search/people.cfm?netid=blt44  ?

Jesus, Cornell just exposes information about employees like that for anyone to see?

yeah.. not alot of thought about some things on campus..

https://twitter.com/lynahrink62/status/1574131254378827783

nice crisp fresh ice.

Looks wonderful.
Meadow Lakes circle

Meanwhile in my neck of the woods the eye of Hurricane Ian is bearing down on SWFL.  

For all of you mathematicians, modelers and those curious about weather, the UK-MET model had the correct track for Ian. As early as Friday it had the storm headed for SWFL while the other models kept nudging Ian West only to have to move the track back east and then to the south.

Quote from: Ritanice crisp fresh ice.

Looks wonderful.
Meadow Lakes circle

Meanwhile in my neck of the woods the eye of Hurricane Ian is bearing down on SWFL.  

For all of you mathematicians, modelers and those curious about weather, the UK-MET model had the correct track for Ian. As early as Friday it had the storm headed for SWFL while the other models kept nudging Ian West only to have to move the track back east and then to the south.

Stay safe!

Seniors Sam Malinski and Travis Mitchell have been named this year's captains. The alternates are senior Matt Stienburg and fifth-year player Max Andreev.

Quote from: ACMFinally, the official announcement: Frozen Apple (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/9/22/mens-ice-hockey-cornell-uconn-to-square-off-at-madison-square-garden-in-the-frozen-apple-game.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1NdUOUDfzmRwg2xXDPTjMbvDLVfyVL23qIz2Z9NQ6pj_Eq951r9x8c7gY). Feel free to parse the bad grammar and factual inaccuracies.

Presale on now, code PRECORNELL https://click.email1.msg.com/?qs=7270a56f046a7b22537720188c29a32ad6b2dbe5402d105ce57ef42c0519fa407dc17ee1a0f9ba5e42b5cb7444eba6cd5d684711dfd502edaf47ff27dc5ba63a

Quote from: dbilmesSeniors Sam Malinski and Travis Mitchell have been named this year's captains. The alternates are senior Matt Stienburg and fifth-year player Max Andreev.

Andreev   !!!!!

Glad to see he qualified for the fifth year.

And that he's, you know, alive.

Quote from: TrotskyGlad to see he qualified for the fifth year.

And that he's, you know, alive.

This is MUCH better than being sent to Ukraine! ::scared::

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: Ritanice crisp fresh ice.

Looks wonderful.
Meadow Lakes circle

Meanwhile in my neck of the woods the eye of Hurricane Ian is bearing down on SWFL.  

For all of you mathematicians, modelers and those curious about weather, the UK-MET model had the correct track for Ian. As early as Friday it had the storm headed for SWFL while the other models kept nudging Ian West only to have to move the track back east and then to the south.

Stay safe!

Hi All.  Eden the Elf and I (and my family) are ok.  i'm still waiting for power to come back on at my house, but 2/4 of my family units have power and internet. I'm just starting to see pictures of the destruction. We are fortunate - our losses are minimal. others, especially those in the cape and on the barrier islands lost so much. it is heartbreaking.

Very glad to hear you are okay, Rita.

Quote from: TrotskyVery glad to hear you are okay, Rita.

What he said.

CHN just published its season preview of UConn, our MSG foe this year. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/10/04_Can-UConn-Take-Another-Step.php) This is a program on the rise, and anyone who thinks it will be a cakewalk for us is mistaken. When I've mentioned that we are playing UConn to a few more casual Cornell fans, they don't seem to realize this. It's also interesting to note that UConn, like many other programs, is relying heavily on transfers, including one from Yale (Pearson). At least he didn't have far to travel, going from New Haven to Storrs. Their coach, Cavanaugh, was reportedly a candidate for the BC job, but decided to stay at UConn.

Quote from: dbilmesCHN just published its season preview of UConn, our MSG foe this year. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/10/04_Can-UConn-Take-Another-Step.php) This is a program on the rise, and anyone who thinks it will be a cakewalk for us is mistaken. When I've mentioned that we are playing UConn to a few more casual Cornell fans, they don't seem to realize this. It's also interesting to note that UConn, like many other programs, is relying heavily on transfers, including one from Yale (Pearson). At least he didn't have far to travel, going from New Haven to Storrs. Their coach, Cavanaugh, was reportedly a candidate for the BC job, but decided to stay at UConn.

Just learned there were prolonged discussions with Northeastern's AD about the MSG game but it didn't work out.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioJust learned there were prolonged discussions with Northeastern's AD about the MSG game but it didn't work out.

Dang it.

Quote from: TrotskyVery glad to hear you are okay, Rita.

Us, too.
How bad was it -- did you lose access to eLyah?

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: dbilmesCHN just published its season preview of UConn, our MSG foe this year. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/10/04_Can-UConn-Take-Another-Step.php) This is a program on the rise, and anyone who thinks it will be a cakewalk for us is mistaken. When I've mentioned that we are playing UConn to a few more casual Cornell fans, they don't seem to realize this. It's also interesting to note that UConn, like many other programs, is relying heavily on transfers, including one from Yale (Pearson). At least he didn't have far to travel, going from New Haven to Storrs. Their coach, Cavanaugh, was reportedly a candidate for the BC job, but decided to stay at UConn.

Just learned there were prolonged discussions with Northeastern's AD about the MSG game but it didn't work out.

* UConn is a school on the rise. Like UMass was a decade ago. Play them now. Maybe they'll feel an obligation to commit to a home-and-home when they're a top-ten team and we need them for games that help our SOS.
* UConn may be able to send more fans to MSG than Northeastern.

Just noticed that there's no indication on the schedule page at CornellBigRed.com that games will be broadcast on WHCU this season. Anyone know what the situation is?

interesting.. But Lax still has it listed for 2023.  could be just over site in Athletics

With baseball over, just 3 days now to Red/White.  It would be nice if they did it on video; I cannot remember them doing it before.

The camera guy could use the practice.

Quote from: TrotskyWith baseball over, just 3 days now to Red/White.  It would be nice if they did it on video; I cannot remember them doing it before.

The camera guy could use the practice.

Baseball over?  I think not.  Although it will hopefully be the case in Atlanta, soon.

Definitely not over for Mariners fans, but today's game hurt. A lot.
But even if we dont get past Houston,  my wife said it well: "We'll always have Toronto."

The link to the radio is on the website now by the way

A bit early, but apparently, Cornell will be in a holiday tournament in Lake Placid with UMass, Clarkson, and ASU during next year's winter break. I would assume Clarkson and Cornell would not play each other in that tournament in either semifinal, so that guarantees at least one OOC game with the other being OOC or a non-conference matchup with Clarkson. And then of course, next year, you have BU at MSG and UND or Duluth at Lynah for two. That right there is five known OOC games, which leaves openings for two more games during 23-24, likely on the road.

Quote from: IcebergA bit early, but apparently, Cornell will be in a holiday tournament in Lake Placid with UMass, Clarkson, and ASU during next year's winter break. I would assume Clarkson and Cornell would not play each other in that tournament in either semifinal, so that guarantees at least one OOC game with the other being OOC or a non-conference matchup with Clarkson. And then of course, next year, you have BU at MSG and UND or Duluth at Lynah for two. That right there is five known OOC games, which leaves openings for two more games during 23-24, likely on the road.

Are they going to play at Alaska at some point? That would give them additional games in that season. (Unless there's some Ivy rule that doesn't consider those to be exempt games.)

Quote from: WederAre they going to play at Alaska at some point? That would give them additional games in that season. (Unless there's some Ivy rule that doesn't consider those to be exempt games.)

IIRC when Ivies have played in Alaska in the past the games have not counted towards the 29.

North Dakota will be playing 2 games in Ithaca in 2024-25. https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/und-hockey-lines-up-series-against-first-time-opponent

Quote from: ursusminorNorth Dakota will be playing 2 games in Ithaca in 2024-25. https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/und-hockey-lines-up-series-against-first-time-opponent

Woohoo!!!

Thank you, Little Bear!

Jim,

Have the 23-24 men's and women's non-travel-partner ECAC schedules been released?