Charlie Major, a 17-year-old forward from up the road in Skaneateles, committed to the Big Red today. He's currently playing in the U-18 circuit, and has been drafted by the Chicago Steel of the USHL. (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/648840/charlie-major)
Quote from: scoop85Charlie Major, a 17-year-old forward from up the road in Skaneateles, committed to the Big Red today.
He was born in Skaneateles, but apparently attends Bishop Kearny HS in Irondequoit, north of Rochester.
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Presumably related, though apparently not the son of, Coach's teammate, Mark Major '87 also from that town.
"Major!" (points)
"Asshole!" (points to opponent)
Here's one well "beyond:" https://youtu.be/6TxGVSw6Ayw
Quote from: Al DeFlorioHere's one well "beyond:" https://youtu.be/6TxGVSw6Ayw
It's amazing how many who have commented on that video in the last few weeks obviously did not bother to check on where Wahlstrom is now. He probably won't become a superstar in the NHL, but he should stick around for a decade or so. He might have have become an All American in the NCAA had he not been one-and-done at BC.
Some of our recruits are putting up big numbers in junior hockey. Dalton Bancroft is leading the OJHL in points/game. Sean Donaldson is leading the BCHL in goals scored. Nick DeSantis is averaging a pt/game in the USHL. Think all 3 of these recruits are coming in the fall.
Quote from: CASSome of our recruits are putting up big numbers in junior hockey. Dalton Bancroft is leading the OJHL in points/game. Sean Donaldson is leading the BCHL in goals scored. Nick DeSantis is averaging a pt/game in the USHL. Think all 3 of these recruits are coming in the fall.
They'll all be 20 or 21 when they arrive in Ithaca, so they should be able to contribute right away at the college level.
Nice representation for Cornell commits on the NHL mid-season draft rankings for North American skaters:
Liam Steele — 83
George Fegaras — 91
Marian Mosko — 164
Luke Devlin —- 202
i love our current frosh class tbh so if we really build back after The Lost Team so quickly I will be so goddamn happy
Quote from: ugartei love our current frosh class tbh so if we really build back after The Lost Team so quickly I will be so goddamn happy
The four scoop85 mentions are slated for 2023; the three CAS mentions, 2022. Although Heisenberg (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/143p8uRk2ajt4YCZ_Xx1z3rdKeNcOXj-KK4cirID5rro/edit#gid=1466169803) says Devlin may enroll for 2022. So, we may have to wait a bit longer.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: ugartei love our current frosh class tbh so if we really build back after The Lost Team so quickly I will be so goddamn happy
The four scoop85 mentions are slated for 2023; the three CAS mentions, 2022. Although Heisenberg (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/143p8uRk2ajt4YCZ_Xx1z3rdKeNcOXj-KK4cirID5rro/edit#gid=1466169803) says Devlin may enroll for 2022. So, we may have to wait a bit longer.
Three of the 2023 commits who are on the NHL mid-season rankings are defensemen, so our future on the blueline looks strong. And while the 3 forwards CAS mentioned who are coming next fall are unlikely to be drafted based on their age, their stellar production at the Junior A level indicates that all have the makings to be highly productive college forwards.
Quote from: Coach Schafer, quoted by Adam Woden, talking about Ian Shane but clearly applicable in generalTrue hockey sense in all situations is the hardest thing to know about a player. You don't really know what you have until you see him (in college games). I didn't know the true extent. You try to understand it by watching video, but in recruiting you get fooled — some kids show more hockey sense, or some have a lot less than you thought.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/01/11_Team-of-the-Week-Cornell.php
its the same in every sport.. some kids just know where to be and when to be there. Almost impossible to coach it into kids no matter the sport.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Coach Schafer, quoted by Adam Woden, talking about Ian Shane but clearly applicable in generalTrue hockey sense in all situations is the hardest thing to know about a player. You don't really know what you have until you see him (in college games). I didn't know the true extent. You try to understand it by watching video, but in recruiting you get fooled — some kids show more hockey sense, or some have a lot less than you thought.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/01/11_Team-of-the-Week-Cornell.php
I think the above quote is actually referring to Psenicka. Schafer did have something similar to say about Shane, though:
Quote from: CHN article"The other guys looked more consistent in practice (to start the season), but practice is a weird animal," Schafer said. "His game was getting sharper, but we were winning with those other guys. ... But when we went down 3-0 at Arizona State, I'd seen the other guys and hadn't seen (Shane) in a game situation. We threw him in there and just like any other athlete, he capitalized. We're fortunate in facing adveristy that we found out somehting about him.
Quote from: WederI think the above quote is actually referring to Psenicka. Schafer did have something similar to say about Shane, though:
You're right.
I was surprised by this last night: Cornell skated one player short despite being at home and having two unused freshmen listed on the roster: Jimmy Rayhill (D) and Dan McIntyre (F).
Are we sure those guys are really here yet, or have they been pushed back a year?
Quote from: TrotskyI was surprised by this last night: Cornell skated one player short despite being at home and having two unused freshmen listed on the roster: Jimmy Rayhill (D) and Dan McIntyre (F).
Are we sure those guys are really here yet, or have they been pushed back a year?
They're both on the roster
Quote from: TrotskyI was surprised by this last night: Cornell skated one player short despite being at home and having two unused freshmen listed on the roster: Jimmy Rayhill (D) and Dan McIntyre (F).
Are we sure those guys are really here yet, or have they been pushed back a year?
How is 12 forwards, 7 defensemen and 3 goalies "one player short"?
Quote from: ACMQuote from: TrotskyI was surprised by this last night: Cornell skated one player short despite being at home and having two unused freshmen listed on the roster: Jimmy Rayhill (D) and Dan McIntyre (F).
Are we sure those guys are really here yet, or have they been pushed back a year?
How is 12 forwards, 7 defensemen and 3 goalies "one player short"?
It's not. Saturday lines I saw had 18, not 19.
We lost Ertel and Lagerstrom and gained Muzyka and... who?
Edit: Motley. Huh.
OK, good. (I mean, maybe not good if our two frosh were not good enough to jump over Muzyka who seemed to be given a nice reward for his years of blooming in the desert and wasting his sweetness on the desert air.)
Don't know about Rayhill but can report that McIntyre is alive and well on north campus. My first year daughter met him. Aside from ability issues, the fact that he's in AAP may be an issue preventing him from getting in the lineup. In my day, the one architect on the team supposedly missed too many practices to get in games, though he was good when given a chance. More importantly, now a successful architect.
Quote from: arugulaDon't know about Rayhill but can report that McIntyre is alive and well on north campus. My first year daughter met him. Aside from ability issues, the fact that he's in AAP may be an issue preventing him from getting in the lineup. In my day, the one architect on the team supposedly missed too many practices to get in games, though he was good when given a chance. More importantly, now a successful architect.
I once ran into an architecture student around midnight freshman year who was getting lunch somewhere. Lunch.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: arugulaDon't know about Rayhill but can report that McIntyre is alive and well on north campus. My first year daughter met him. Aside from ability issues, the fact that he's in AAP may be an issue preventing him from getting in the lineup. In my day, the one architect on the team supposedly missed too many practices to get in games, though he was good when given a chance. More importantly, now a successful architect.
I once ran into an architecture student around midnight freshman year who was getting lunch somewhere. Lunch.
don't know if they still do it but they used to have "going away" parties for frosh architects on the last day of orientation week.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: arugulaDon't know about Rayhill but can report that McIntyre is alive and well on north campus. My first year daughter met him. Aside from ability issues, the fact that he's in AAP may be an issue preventing him from getting in the lineup. In my day, the one architect on the team supposedly missed too many practices to get in games, though he was good when given a chance. More importantly, now a successful architect.
I once ran into an architecture student around midnight freshman year who was getting lunch somewhere. Lunch.
don't know if they still do it but they used to have "going away" parties for frosh architects on the last day of orientation week.
Quote from: Frank Lloyd Wright'A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only advise his clients to plant vines.'
Mitch Gillam (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/mitch-gillam/42438) was in AA&P, and he didn't have any trouble breaking into the lineup.
Quote from: ACMMitch Gillam (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/mitch-gillam/42438) was in AA&P, and he didn't have any trouble breaking into the lineup.
Also Webb Nichols, 60 years ago...a different era of Cornell hockey.
IIRC Gillam was in Urban and Regional Studies. I would imagine it's a bit harder for an Architecture student to do any athletics given the academic demands and emphasis on studio time (not to mention other things such as the semester in Rome). For whatever reason, McIntyre's player profile only shows the college (AAP) and not the major, but I'd be surprised if he were in Architecture given what I know about the program and having known quite a few of those students when I was at Cornell.
Could be right. Do AAP students declare majors immediately? The guy from my time was definitely an architect, not a planner or something else, so he played a lot less than his talents would've suggested.
https://youtu.be/gQD8PmqQs_I
Mitch Gillam. Just thought you'd enjoy this.
Quote from: arugulahttps://youtu.be/gQD8PmqQs_I
Mitch Gillam. Just thought you'd enjoy this.
Was pretty sure I knew what this was going to be before looking. :)
Thanks!
Quote from: IcebergIIRC Gillam was in Urban and Regional Studies. I would imagine it's a bit harder for an Architecture student to do any athletics given the academic demands and emphasis on studio time (not to mention other things such as the semester in Rome). For whatever reason, McIntyre's player profile only shows the college (AAP) and not the major, but I'd be surprised if he were in Architecture given what I know about the program and having known quite a few of those students when I was at Cornell.
When Webb Nichols '63, played, there were only two UG programs, Architecture and Fine Arts, in what was then the College of Architecture. In the late 60s, the college was renamed Architecture, Art and Planning, to reflect the growing prominence of the graduate planning program and fine arts. I started out in Architecture before transferring to Arts and Sciences, so I can attest to how time consuming the program was and, I assume, still is. UG programs in Urban and Regional Studies and Real Estate were added much, much later.
BTW, basketball star, the late Steve Cram '66, was an architecture major.
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Quote from: arugulahttps://youtu.be/gQD8PmqQs_I
Mitch Gillam. Just thought you'd enjoy this.
Brings back many memories including: All those years the video guy was a little slow to pan with the puck.
Quote from: George64Quote from: IcebergIIRC Gillam was in Urban and Regional Studies. I would imagine it's a bit harder for an Architecture student to do any athletics given the academic demands and emphasis on studio time (not to mention other things such as the semester in Rome). For whatever reason, McIntyre's player profile only shows the college (AAP) and not the major, but I'd be surprised if he were in Architecture given what I know about the program and having known quite a few of those students when I was at Cornell.
When Webb Nichols '63, played, there were only two UG programs, Architecture and Fine Arts, in what was then the College of Architecture. In the late 60s, the college was renamed Architecture, Art and Planning, to reflect the growing prominence of the graduate planning program and fine arts. I started out in Architecture before transferring to Arts and Sciences, so I can attest to how time consuming the program was and, I assume, still is. UG programs in Urban and Regional Studies and Real Estate were added much, much later.
BTW, basketball star, the late Steve Cram '66, was an architecture major.
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Webb still working here in the Boston area.
I didn't meet a single architecture student my entire time at Cornell.
A girl I went to high school with was in architecture. I saw her at Fun In The Sun during freshman year orientation week, and never saw her again. I did see that she graduated the year after I did from the 5 year program, so she was there.
Quote from: CU2007I didn't meet a single architecture student my entire time at Cornell.
You apparently never wandered into Sibley Hall after midnight on the eve of a project submission. Back in 1960, the freshman architecture class had 60 students, out of, I think, about 1300 freshmen.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007I didn't meet a single architecture student my entire time at Cornell.
You apparently never wandered into Sibley Hall after midnight on the eve of a project submission. Back in 1960, the freshman architecture class had 60 students, out of, I think, about 1300 freshmen.
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Rand Hall after midnight, 1980's before the rot set in. Quite a place.
If memory serves Keith Howie class of 1987 was an architect.
Quote from: RockeyIf memory serves Keith Howie class of 1987 was an architect.
Yes, per the alumni directory.
That's the guy I was referring to. The scuttle it was that he missed too much practice so Lou Reycroft wouldn't play him. Very fast attacking player. Smallish
More on Keith Howie (https://www.aspentimes.com/sports/keith-howie-named-aspen-high-schools-hockey-coach/).
Quote from: ACMMore on Keith Howie (https://www.aspentimes.com/sports/keith-howie-named-aspen-high-schools-hockey-coach/).
insanely cool to be able to be an architect and stay in hockey his whole life
Quote from: George64Quote from: scoop85Charlie Major, a 17-year-old forward from up the road in Skaneateles, committed to the Big Red today.
He was born in Skaneateles, but apparently attends Bishop Kearny HS in Irondequoit, north of Rochester.
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My son plays on the same team. Charlie is a great player. Excellent hockey sense. Consistent scorer.
Quote from: CASSome of our recruits are putting up big numbers in junior hockey. Dalton Bancroft is leading the OJHL in points/game. Sean Donaldson is leading the BCHL in goals scored. Nick DeSantis is averaging a pt/game in the USHL. Think all 3 of these recruits are coming in the fall.
Update:
- Bancroft is #2 in the OJHL: 2 pts behind the leader, but he has played 3 fewer games.
- Donaldson is 4th in BCHL goals, but he's played 5 & 6 fewer games than the #2 & #3. He's 6th in points, but then again, all but the #1 (Matthew Wood, a UConn commit (https://www.theuconnblog.com/2021/8/12/22622595/uconn-huskies-mens-hockey-lands-one-of-the-highest-rated-recruits-in-program-history)) have played many more games.
- DeSantis has cooled off a bit: down to 0,84 pts/game and ranking 32 among USHL scoring leaders.
New Cornell commit! Winter Wallace of the Youngstown Phantoms. Big right winger (6'3" 215) who was previously committed to Michigan State. I assume he is coming in this fall.
Quote from: Redpucks1!New Cornell commit! Winter Wallace of the Youngstown Phantoms. Big right winger (6'3" 215) who was previously committed to Michigan State. I assume he is coming in this fall.
Huge, nice
Quote from: Redpucks1!New Cornell commit! Winter Wallace of the Youngstown Phantoms. Big right winger (6'3" 215) who was previously committed to Michigan State. I assume he is coming in this fall.
What a name.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Redpucks1!New Cornell commit! Winter Wallace of the Youngstown Phantoms. Big right winger (6'3" 215) who was previously committed to Michigan State. I assume he is coming in this fall.
What a name.
FREEDOM!!!!!
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Redpucks1!New Cornell commit! Winter Wallace of the Youngstown Phantoms. Big right winger (6'3" 215) who was previously committed to Michigan State. I assume he is coming in this fall.
What a name.
At that size, I think it's safe to assume he's not a Snowflake......
Winter is coming.
Quote from: TrotskyWinter is coming.
+1
Hey RatushnyFan - quick question for you. You said that your son plays on the same team as Charlie Major meaning the BK Selects U18's. I believe one time you said you were from New Jersey and checking the BK roster it's pretty easy to tell who your son is. He must be damn good if he's playing for BK, that's a great team and organization. If I've got the right player (I certainly could be wrong)he's a big defenseman, a valuable commodity. Has he gotten any D1 looks? Is Cornell on his wish list? Dan Ratushny is one of my all-time favorite Cornell players - if he's anything like him I hope to see him in a CU uniform in the future!!!!
You've got the right team and the right kid. My son is a great hockey player. Ironically he is seeing some interest from two other ECAC teams but no commitments yet. He'll be playing juniors next year, not 100% sure yet. Cornell would definitely be on the wish list but we haven't heard from them. Dan Ratushny was my favorite player by far. My son has a similar game. Good offensive defenseman, big and hits hard.
Quote from: RatushnyFanYou've got the right team and the right kid. My son is a great hockey player. Ironically he is seeing some interest from two other ECAC teams but no commitments yet. He'll be playing juniors next year, not 100% sure yet. Cornell would definitely be on the wish list but we haven't heard from them. Dan Ratushny was my favorite player by far. My son has a similar game. Good offensive defenseman, big and hits hard.
I hope the Cornell coaches show some love for one of our own!
It's all good. To be honest, it is so competitive, it's mostly about finding the right fit. All of these kids, including mine, have been skating since they were 2 and on the ice 200+ times a year since they were 7 or 8. Coaches are looking for specific needs. If Cornell already has a couple of 6'3" 200 pound defenseman already on the roster who they would rank ahead of my son, they move on and fill a different need. As a grad my heart tugs for Cornell but as a father I'd be elated for any ECAC outcome where he is happy and there's a good fit.
P.S. My wife/his mom is a Cornell grad too :-)
Quote from: RatushnyFanIt's all good. To be honest, it is so competitive, it's mostly about finding the right fit. All of these kids, including mine, have been skating since they were 2 and on the ice 200+ times a year since they were 7 or 8. Coaches are looking for specific needs. If Cornell already has a couple of 6'3" 200 pound defenseman already on the roster who they would rank ahead of my son, they move on and fill a different need. As a grad my heart tugs for Cornell but as a father I'd be elated for any ECAC outcome where he is happy and there's a good fit.
P.S. My wife/his mom is a Cornell grad too :-)
I get you. Like Ethan Manderville, my son is at Colgate (not a D1 athlete), and frankly it's a better fit for him than Cornell would've been. My daughter is Cornell class of 2017, and Cornell was a perfect school for her. As you said, fit is the key thing.
Quote from: RatushnyFanYou've got the right team and the right kid. My son is a great hockey player. Ironically he is seeing some interest from two other ECAC teams but no commitments yet. He'll be playing juniors next year, not 100% sure yet. Cornell would definitely be on the wish list but we haven't heard from them. Dan Ratushny was my favorite player by far. My son has a similar game. Good offensive defenseman, big and hits hard.
This may be a stupid question, but have you contacted Cornell's coaching staff? IIRC, a few years ago I was at a dinner where Mike S. was the guest speaker. Another alum asked about letting him know of good talent, and Mike said, "Sure, we're always looking."
Then again, my son went to BU. Cornell would not have been a good fit, and neither would general admission at BU most likely. But BU has a "College of General Studies," which is for kids who can succeed there but need more structure acclimating and getting through lower-division courses. My son could have gotten free tuition elsewhere, but BU's introduction to CGS convinced us that this was exactly what he needed. We're not sorry, even though we paid the big bucks. As scoop85 said, fit is everything.
It has to be a very exciting time for you RatushnyFan. As you said, it is extremely competitive these days and there are so many good hockey players out there. Just to be in that mix is impressive. I'm not surprised that a 6'3", 195 lb defenseman skating for a program like BK is getting some looks. I'd love to see him end up at Cornell and the fact that CU picked up a few recent 2001 commits (Bancroft, Donaldson)indicates that it still may happen. You have a great attitude though knowing that it's a pretty ruthless business and if Cornell has their defensive commits locked up, there are no hard feelings - it's just the way these things work. Any ECAC school(except Q, who doesn't belong in the ECAC) would be outstanding. Best of luck to your son!
Thank you all. Score update: BK 10, Midstate Syracuse 0 in the 3rd period of the NY state tourney. ::smashfreak::
Quote from: RatushnyFanThank you all. Score update: BK 10, Midstate Syracuse 0 in the 3rd period of the NY state tourney. ::smashfreak::
"Midstate Syracuse is an embarrassment to Syracuse hockey, and Syracuse hockey sucks!"
They picked up their game a little..............14-0 final
Cornell recruits looking promising. I'll do a longer write-up when I have time. One thing that's clear: next year's freshman class will be headlined by 20- and 21-year-olds who put up good numbers in junior hockey. The following year's class may instead be headlined by 18- and 19-year-old draft picks without as much junior hockey experience.
Quote from: BearLoverCornell recruits looking promising. I'll do a longer write-up when I have time. One thing that's clear: next year's freshman class will be headlined by 20- and 21-year-olds who put up good numbers in junior hockey. The following year's class may instead be headlined by 18- and 19-year-old draft picks without as much junior hockey experience.
My vaguely hot take is that draft picks are overrated for college hockey.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverCornell recruits looking promising. I'll do a longer write-up when I have time. One thing that's clear: next year's freshman class will be headlined by 20- and 21-year-olds who put up good numbers in junior hockey. The following year's class may instead be headlined by 18- and 19-year-old draft picks without as much junior hockey experience.
My vaguely hot take is that draft picks are overrated for college hockey.
a lot of cornell hockey draft picks from 14-20 certainly have been underwhelming
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverCornell recruits looking promising. I'll do a longer write-up when I have time. One thing that's clear: next year's freshman class will be headlined by 20- and 21-year-olds who put up good numbers in junior hockey. The following year's class may instead be headlined by 18- and 19-year-old draft picks without as much junior hockey experience.
My vaguely hot take is that draft picks are overrated for college hockey.
Draft picks aren't everything. But they aren't nothing, either. Would you rather have stronger, more experienced 21-y/os, or leaner, more raw 18-y/os with a ton of talent and potential? It depends how well your program develops players and how long you can get the players to stay. Also, to secure the commitment of a draft pick, you need to recruit such a player at a very young age—which leaves more margin for error than recruiting an older player who has already developed. Despite this, draft picks remain a strong proxy for talent, both within the Cornell program (many of our best players over history were draft picks) and also when comparing programs against each other. Here are the number of drafts picks among the top 10 pairwise teams this season:
Michigan—13 including 7 first rounders
Minnesota State—4
Western Michigan—2
Denver—12
Minnesota-Duluth—7
Minnesota—15
NoDak—9
Q—2
Notre Dame—9
St. Cloud—5
Average draft picks on top 10 teams: 7.8
(Here is a more in-depth post on our recruits.)
We have some promising recruits in the pipeline. Disclaimer: Don't quote me on their positions beyond F/D/G, as they are not always listed online consistently.
First up are the most enticing players who should be matriculating next fall (in order of how recently they committed). They are on the older side but have produced in their respective leagues.
Winter Wallace (C/RW)—turned 20 in January; 6'3, 214 lbs; 14-16-30 in 47 games this year in the USHL. Power forward who may help shore up our netfront issues.
Nick DeSantis (C)—will turn 20 in May; 5'9, 152 lbs; 14-26-40 in 51 games in the USHL. Small forward who has produced in the tight-checking USHL.
Sean Donaldson (LW)—will turn 21 this month; 5'11, 180lbs; 36-34-70 in 46 games in the BCHL. Blossomed into a dominant BCHL scorer after not putting up big numbers in the USHL last season.
Dalton Bahncroft (RW)—turned 21 in February; 6'2, 188; 33-53-86 in 48 games in the OJHL. While the OJHL is a weaker league than the USHL or BCHL, Bahncroft is first in the entire league in points per game.
Remington Koeppel (G)—turned 20 this month; 6'2, 188 lbs; .892 sv% in 30 games in the USHL this season; .900 in 25 games last season. While Koeppel's numbers aren't fantastic this season, they're actually better than Shane's and Howe's numbers were in the USHL, the toughest junior league. The starting goalie competition next season should be anyone's game.
Next are the most promising players likely to arrive in 2023-2024. They are basically the opposite of next year's arrivals: rather than undrafted older recruits, these players are likely to matriculate at 18 or 19 years old and several of them will probably be drafted.
Rather than list their numbers (since most are not in junior hockey yet) or size (since they may still be growing), I will add other relevant notes (in reverse order of how recently they committed):
Marian Mosko (LD)—turns 18 in May; ranked #164 by NHL Central Scouting; drafted by the USHL. Possible late-round pick who will likely play a year in the USHL before matriculating.
George Fegaras (RD)—turns 18 in April; 13-33-46 in 51 games in the OJHL; ranked #91 by NHL Central Scouting; drafted by the USHL. Possible mid-round draft pick who, like Mosko, may play one year in the USHL before coming. The fact he has produced in junior hockey as a defenseman at such a young age bodes well.
Tyler Catalano (C/RW)—just turned 18 at the end of February but already 6'4 and 216 lbs. 1-9-10 in 45 USHL games but still very young. Very likely will spend one more year in the USHL before matriculating.
Ben Robertson (LD)—doesn't turn 18 until September but already playing in the USHL, putting up 2-10-12 in 44 games as a defenseman. Nearly all of his points have come since his midseason trade to Waterloo.
Liam Steele (D)—turns 18 in April but already 6'4 216 lbs. Ranked #83 by NHL Central Scouting. Possible mid-round draft pick currently in Canadian prep school and committed to the BCHL for next season.
Tyler Wishart (C/RW)—turns 18 in April. Recruited by BU, UNH, and Quinnipiac, Wishart has put up big numbers in prep school at Kimball Union. Drafted by the USHL, he'll probably play in Lincoln at least one year before matriculating.
Luke Devlin (C)—turned 18 this month; already 6'3 (and 187 lbs). Ranked #202 by NHL Central Scouting. Possible late-round draft pick and yet another St. Andrews product (Barron, Stienburg, Ertel). I would guess he will play one year of junior hockey next season before matriculating.
Other commits include Charlie Major, Jack O'Brien, Aiden Cobb, and Shaun Mahoney. These players either haven't put up the same numbers or there isn't much information available on them.
Jack O'Brien, a 19-year old D who is now playing his third year w/Nanaimo Clippers, is likely to arrive this fall.
Thanks for that wrap-up, Bear.
I love reports on the commits. Every year, based on their stats, I start looking at where the final four is being played and what weekend.
If anybody wondered (I did):
2023 Tampa
2024 St. Paul
2025 St. Louis
2026 Las Vegas
Quote from: BearLover(Here is a more in-depth post on our recruits.)
We have some promising recruits in the pipeline. Disclaimer: Don't quote me on their positions beyond F/D/G, as they are not always listed online consistently.
First up are the most enticing players who should be matriculating next fall (in order of how recently they committed). They are on the older side but have produced in their respective leagues.
Winter Wallace (C/RW)—turned 20 in January; 6'3, 214 lbs; 14-16-30 in 47 games this year in the USHL. Power forward who may help shore up our netfront issues.
Nick DeSantis (C)—will turn 20 in May; 5'9, 152 lbs; 14-26-40 in 51 games in the USHL. Small forward who has produced in the tight-checking USHL.
Sean Donaldson (LW)—will turn 21 this month; 5'11, 180lbs; 36-34-70 in 46 games in the BCHL. Blossomed into a dominant BCHL scorer after not putting up big numbers in the USHL last season.
Dalton Bahncroft (RW)—turned 21 in February; 6'2, 188; 33-53-86 in 48 games in the OJHL. While the OJHL is a weaker league than the USHL or BCHL, Bahncroft is first in the entire league in points per game.
Remington Koeppel (G)—turned 20 this month; 6'2, 188 lbs; .892 sv% in 30 games in the USHL this season; .900 in 25 games last season. While Koeppel's numbers aren't fantastic this season, they're actually better than Shane's and Howe's numbers were in the USHL, the toughest junior league. The starting goalie competition next season should be anyone's game.
Next are the most promising players likely to arrive in 2023-2024. They are basically the opposite of next year's arrivals: rather than undrafted older recruits, these players are likely to matriculate at 18 or 19 years old and several of them will probably be drafted.
Rather than list their numbers (since most are not in junior hockey yet) or size (since they may still be growing), I will add other relevant notes (in reverse order of how recently they committed):
Marian Mosko (LD)—turns 18 in May; ranked #164 by NHL Central Scouting; drafted by the USHL. Possible late-round pick who will likely play a year in the USHL before matriculating.
George Fegaras (RD)—turns 18 in April; 13-33-46 in 51 games in the OJHL; ranked #91 by NHL Central Scouting; drafted by the USHL. Possible mid-round draft pick who, like Mosko, may play one year in the USHL before coming. The fact he has produced in junior hockey as a defenseman at such a young age bodes well.
Tyler Catalano (C/RW)—just turned 18 at the end of February but already 6'4 and 216 lbs. 1-9-10 in 45 USHL games but still very young. Very likely will spend one more year in the USHL before matriculating.
Ben Robertson (LD)—doesn't turn 18 until September but already playing in the USHL, putting up 2-10-12 in 44 games as a defenseman. Nearly all of his points have come since his midseason trade to Waterloo.
Liam Steele (D)—turns 18 in April but already 6'4 216 lbs. Ranked #83 by NHL Central Scouting. Possible mid-round draft pick currently in Canadian prep school and committed to the BCHL for next season.
Tyler Wishart (C/RW)—turns 18 in April. Recruited by BU, UNH, and Quinnipiac, Wishart has put up big numbers in prep school at Kimball Union. Drafted by the USHL, he'll probably play in Lincoln at least one year before matriculating.
Luke Devlin (C)—turned 18 this month; already 6'3 (and 187 lbs). Ranked #202 by NHL Central Scouting. Possible late-round draft pick and yet another St. Andrews product (Barron, Stienburg, Ertel). I would guess he will play one year of junior hockey next season before matriculating.
Other commits include Charlie Major, Jack O'Brien, Aiden Cobb, and Shaun Mahoney. These players either haven't put up the same numbers or there isn't much information available on them.
Great stuff, thanks
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: BearLover(Here is a more in-depth post on our recruits.)
Remington Koeppel (G)—turned 20 this month; 6'2, 188 lbs; .892 sv% in 30 games in the USHL this season; .900 in 25 games last season. While Koeppel's numbers aren't fantastic this season, they're actually better than Shane's and Howe's numbers were in the USHL, the toughest junior league. The starting goalie competition next season should be anyone's game.
Great stuff, thanks
Agree, thanks.
I was hoping that we'd have a more definitive #1 goalie next year.
Nice to have competition, but have to hope that Shane and Howe improve. Both are okay, but I've been spoiled by the likes of Galajda, who became Notre Dame's #1.
What extra games might we have won if he was with us this year?
https://twitter.com/PirtleChase/status/1511507694842269706?t=5kufAdj6Ogk7aWG8EIahtQ&s=19
Having read many reports on Pirtle on Neutral Zone, I don't look forward to seeing him play against RPI. That is, assuming RPI still has a team. Shirley still has almost three months to destroy it.
Quote from: ursusminorHaving read many reports on Pirtle on Neutral Zone, I don't look forward to seeing him play against RPI. That is, assuming RPI still has a team. Shirley still has almost three months to destroy it.
While I have no idea on his selection criteria, Heisenberg has Pirtle listed as his top Northeastern recruit in his age group.
so confusing with hockey kids committing so far out.. just turned 17 so i suppose this is for 2 yrs from now..
It will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
I just hope he gets here in time for Grady and Jason to have to say variations on "Pirtle from Ertel." Sounds like something from Dr. Seuss.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
I just hope he gets here in time for Grady and Jason to have to say variations on "Pirtle from Ertel." Sounds like something from Dr. Seuss.
The Teenage Mutant Ninjas?
Quote from: ACMQuote from: Chris '03Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
I just hope he gets here in time for Grady and Jason to have to say variations on "Pirtle from Ertel." Sounds like something from Dr. Seuss.
The Teenage Mutant Ninjas?
The Yertle Line.
Quote from: upprdeckso confusing with hockey kids committing so far out.. just turned 17 so i suppose this is for 2 yrs from now..
At least their social posts don't allege
LeMoyne Dolphins And Me, B.F.F. That was back when Facebook let teenage girls (well, everyone) choose to say In a Relationship and offer the option of It's Complicated. For girls of that age, I believe FB auto-filled the It's Complicated checkbox to save them the effort.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
I just hope he gets here in time for Grady and Jason to have to say variations on "Pirtle from Ertel." Sounds like something from Dr. Seuss.
Be nice to have a thumbs-up emoticon (in among those smileys) for those 21st Century "Well-played, sir," responses.
Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
Based on what? I'm not disagreeing, I'm just clueless. Stat comps? Some sort of scouting rating service?
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
Based on what? I'm not disagreeing, I'm just clueless. Stat comps? Some sort of scouting rating service?
Yes.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
Based on what? I'm not disagreeing, I'm just clueless. Stat comps? Some sort of scouting rating service?
Yes.
Useful. Thanks
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyIt will be a few years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2022/2022_Future_Players.html) and anything can happen, but he may be our highest-rated incoming F since Riley Nash.
Based on what? I'm not disagreeing, I'm just clueless. Stat comps? Some sort of scouting rating service?
Yes.
Useful. Thanks
De nada.
I might be the highest rated nascar driver in 2025
https://twitter.com/sachockey1899/status/1515397116352417798?s=20&t=axxc9pKFzl7XielRIlNjUw
Recruits Dalton Bancroft & George Fegaras were named to the OJHL First All-Star Team. Sean Donaldson was named to the BCHL Second All-Star Team.
Based on the info I have read, we are projected to have 9 incoming guys next year. That can't be accurate, right?
(age on 10/1/22)
Bancroft, F (21)
Cobb, F (20)
Devlin, F (18)
Donaldson, F (21)
Keoppel, G (20)
Mahoney, F (20)
O'Brien, D (19)
Steele, F (18)
Wallace, D (20)
Quote from: CASRecruits Dalton Bancroft & George Fegaras were named to the OJHL First All-Star Team. Sean Donaldson was named to the BCHL Second All-Star Team.
Odd that Donaldson was only on the 2nd team considering he was one of 3 finalists for league MVP.
Quote from: TrotskyBased on the info I have read, we are projected to have 9 incoming guys next year. That can't be accurate, right?
(age on 10/1/22)
Bancroft, F (21)
Cobb, F (20)
Devlin, F (18)
Donaldson, F (21)
Keoppel, G (20)
Mahoney, F (20)
O'Brien, D (19)
Steele, F (18)
Wallace, D (20)
Steele is going to the BCHL and I believe Devlin to the USHL next season. And Wallace is a forward, so we appear to have just 1 defenseman coming in.
we know we lose 7-10 kids so 9 would seem about right. might need another goalie as well.
Quote from: scoop85Steele is going to the BCHL and I believe Devlin to the USHL next season. And Wallace is a forward, so we appear to have just 1 defenseman coming in.
Thank you, that makes a lot more sense.
Quote from: upprdeckmight need another goalie as well.
With Howe's decision an apparent surprise I think any G we pick up will be for GPA not GAA.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyBased on the info I have read, we are projected to have 9 incoming guys next year. That can't be accurate, right?
(age on 10/1/22)
Bancroft, F (21)
Cobb, F (20)
Devlin, F (18)
Donaldson, F (21)
Keoppel, G (20)
Mahoney, F (20)
O'Brien, D (19)
Steele, F (18)
Wallace, D (20)
Steele is going to the BCHL and I believe Devlin to the USHL next season. And Wallace is a forward, so we appear to have just 1 defenseman coming in.
Where is Fegaras?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyBased on the info I have read, we are projected to have 9 incoming guys next year. That can't be accurate, right?
(age on 10/1/22)
Bancroft, F (21)
Cobb, F (20)
Devlin, F (18)
Donaldson, F (21)
Keoppel, G (20)
Mahoney, F (20)
O'Brien, D (19)
Steele, F (18)
Wallace, D (20)
Steele is going to the BCHL and I believe Devlin to the USHL next season. And Wallace is a forward, so we appear to have just 1 defenseman coming in.
Where is Fegaras?
Fall 23 AFAIK.
George Fegaras wins OJHL "Top Prospect" award:
https://twitter.com/KRangersReport/status/1517601214971711489
Quote from: pfibigerGeorge Fegaras wins OJHL "Top Prospect" award:
https://twitter.com/KRangersReport/status/1517601214971711489
"Currently committed to Cornell University..." hopefully isn't meant to imply anything.
Quote from: scoop85"Currently committed to Cornell University..." hopefully isn't meant to imply anything.
Yeah, I didn't like that shit one bit. But I guess it's accurate. And after a hundred years of schools fucking athletes, athletes fucking schools -- while not wonderful -- is certainly preferable.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85"Currently committed to Cornell University..." hopefully isn't meant to imply anything.
Yeah, I didn't like that shit one bit. But I guess it's accurate. And after a hundred years of schools fucking athletes, athletes fucking schools -- while not wonderful -- is certainly preferable.
Mark Sheifele was once "currently committed to Cornell University" before he blew up and ended up as a top-10 NHL draft pick.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85"Currently committed to Cornell University..." hopefully isn't meant to imply anything.
Yeah, I didn't like that shit one bit. But I guess it's accurate. And after a hundred years of schools fucking athletes, athletes fucking schools -- while not wonderful -- is certainly preferable.
A Kitchener Rangers fan has a different agenda from ours.
Dalton Bancroft voted OJHL MVP
http://ojhl.pointstreaksites.com/view/ojhl/news-21/news_539289
NORTH YORK'S FEGARAS VOTED OJHL ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
http://ojhl.pointstreaksites.com/view/ojhl/news-21/news_539282
NORTH YORK'S GEORGE FEGARAS NAMED OJHL INSTAT TOP PROSPECT
http://www.pointstreaksites.com/view/ojhl/news-21/news_539227
Four forwards (Betts, Locke, Motley, Bramwell), one defenseman (Haiskanen), and one goalie (McDonald) are graduating.
B. Tupker and Howe entered the transfer portal but haven't committed anywhere (yet).
So, we are losing 4-5 F, 1 D, and 1-2 G.
We are definitely bringing in forwards Wallace, Bancroft, Donaldson, and DeSantis, and goalie Keopple.
That leaves an additional 0-1 F, 1 D, and 0-1 G to bring in to balance out the players we are losing. No one else in the pipeline screams college-ready. Cobb (F) turns 20 in May but hasn't produced in junior hockey. Sean Mahoney (F) only played twelve games this season. Jack O'Brien (D) didn't put up much in the way of offensive numbers this season but is probably the most likely defenseman to come next year as he turned 19 in March and is an everyday player in the BCHL. We have no other committed goalies to replace Howe if he leaves.
Then we have a ton of promising 17- and 18-year-olds, some of whom will be drafted this season or next, but most of whom have limited or no junior hockey experience. Fegaras has played a year in the OJHL and is projected as a mid-round pick in this year's draft, however. It will be interesting to see whether the coaching staff brings in any of these players. (We are also starting to pick up some promising 16-year-olds.)
I think most likely next year's class will consist of Wallace, Bancroft, Donaldson, DeSantis, O'Brien, Keopple. Maybe Fegaras if the coaching staff thinks they need another defenseman.
An email from Schafer mentions that Gabriel Seger from Union will join as a transfer.
Also, Ryan McInchak, goaltender from AIC as a transfer.
Quote from: blackwidowAn email from Schafer mentions that Gabriel Seger from Union will join as a transfer.
Also, Ryan McInchak, goaltender from AIC as a transfer.
Seger has played 3 years for Union, but since he'd have two years of eligibility left there, I am hoping that he has two years of eligibility at Cornell, should he choose to take two years to graduate. Per his Union bio, he was a computer engineering major there. He was Union's 3rd leading scorer last year.
Per hockeydb, McInchak has played only 133 minutes over 4 games in two years at AIC. The good news is that he's only allowed one goal and has made 50 saves.
These are Cornell's first transfers in many years and the first of the active transfer portal era. Cornell and the Ivies not allowing grad athletes puts them at a big disadvantage at picking up transfers and I'm happy the coaching staff was able to pull this off. In particular, Seger has put up strong numbers on some bad Union teams. Based on his size (6'4), he could be more of a power forward. Between him and Winter Wallace coming in, hopefully the Red can shore up last year's netfront weakness. The fact we have a goalie coming in indicates Howe will be transferring out (despite nothing having been announced yet as far as I know).
What is the sense of how good are the incoming Cornell hockey classes this fall and next? Reading the stats and end-of-season awards, every year it looks as if we're loaded and primed to reach the frozen four except that was two decades ago.
Quote from: BearLoverIn particular, Seger has put up strong numbers on some bad Union teams. Based on his size (6'4), he could be more of a power forward.
3rd in scoring last year; 2nd in scoring his freshman year. Perhaps more importantly, he's clearly not the defensive problem on those bad Union teams.
Big kid that can score and play defense, and who will likely be around for two years? Absolutely great pickup!
Wait, did we just execute a trade with Union, considering where Ben Tupker is headed? Who's the "player to be named later?"
Quote from: BearLoverThese are Cornell's first transfers in many years and the first of the active transfer portal era. Cornell and the Ivies not allowing grad athletes puts them at a big disadvantage at picking up transfers and I'm happy the coaching staff was able to pull this off. In particular, Seger has put up strong numbers on some bad Union teams. Based on his size (6'4), he could be more of a power forward. Between him and Winter Wallace coming in, hopefully the Red can shore up last year's netfront weakness. The fact we have a goalie coming in indicates Howe will be transferring out (despite nothing having been announced yet as far as I know).
I know I keep beating this drum, but we have the size to do better in front of the net. I think we had a lot of players new to this level of hockey who were used to dominating through skill alone at their previous levels. So, it'll get better through practice and experience.
I know we didn't love how last year ended, but I am very optimistic for the future, especially given just how ugly things could have gotten after the long layoff.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverIn particular, Seger has put up strong numbers on some bad Union teams. Based on his size (6'4), he could be more of a power forward.
3rd in scoring last year; 2nd in scoring his freshman year. Perhaps more importantly, he's clearly not the defensive problem on those bad Union teams.
Big kid that can score and play defense, and who will likely be around for two years? Absolutely great pickup!
Wait, did we just execute a trade with Union, considering where Ben Tupker is headed? Who's the "player to be named later?"
Seger should fit right in with and should be a very effective player in our system.
Quote from: billhowardWhat is the sense of how good are the incoming Cornell hockey classes this fall and next? Reading the stats and end-of-season awards, every year it looks as if we're loaded and primed to reach the frozen four except that was two decades ago.
While I'm not 100% sure who's part of this year's class--I'm going by CHN's list, which seems to include a couple of guys who I didn't expect to be coming in this year--overall I'd say it's a solid class, probably average to above average compared with recent classes.
The goalie, Remington Koepple, had decent numbers (3.06 GAA, .893 sv pct.) playing for a weak team in the top-level USHL. Assuming Howe is gone, Koepple should be in the mix for PT, with Shane the clear favorite to start as the #1.
According to CHN, Marian Mosko and Jack O'Brien are the new defensemen coming in. I am expecting Mosko to play one more year in juniors, but if he is coming in he's a talented kid from Slovakia who will likely be a mid to late round NHL draft pick. O'Brien is a solid defenseman out of the BCHL who probably won't be as much of an offensive threat as Mosko.
Up front the guys who seem sure to be coming in are Bancroft, Cobb, DeSantis, Donaldson, and Winter. Luke Devlin and Charlie Major are listed on CHN, but I don't think either of them is coming this fall. Of the others, Donaldson and Bancroft put up lots of points in the BCHL and OJHL respectively, with Bancroft named his league MVP and Donaldson as a finalist for the BCHL MVP. DeSantis and Winter put up decent but not spectacular numbers in the USHL and should be contributors at the college level. Cobb has struggled in the juniors since moving on from prep school, and is likely going to be a depth guy. But Alex Rauter had a similar junior history as Cobb, and he turned out to be a much better college player than his junior numbers would have predicted.
a) nice summary, thank you
b) you make this sound so upbeat (like the recommendation of a guidance counselor who likes you a lot): "Cobb has struggled in the juniors since moving on from prep school, and is likely going to be a depth guy."
c) how does a kid named Jack O'Brien not wind up at BC or, please no, Notre Dame?
c) So for 2022-2023 goalies we have: Ian Shane returning, started half our games, new Remington Keopple
(Des Moines Buccaneers), new Ryan McInchak (AIC transfer), is there a fourth? Departing are Nate McDonald (was senior; maybe going to Michigan State) and freshman Joe Howe? But then we made the 1970 championship run with one goaltender, Brian Cropper, and one about-to-be All-America lacrosse goaltender, Bob Rule, who learned how to lace on skates.
Quote from: Scersk '97Who's the "player to be named later?"
Harry Chiti
Quote from: billhowardc) how does a kid named Jack O'Brien not wind up at BC or, please no, Notre Dame?
Grades?
Schafer says in the same email that next year's class will consist of forwards Wallace, DeSantis, Bancroft, and Donaldson, defenseman O'Brien, and goalie Keopple. Together with incoming transfers at forward and goalie, that exactly offsets the graduating seniors and players transferring out (assuming Howe ultimately transfers somewhere).
https://twitter.com/BCHLWarriors/status/1535976406500384768
Elite Prospects https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/519292/justin-katz
mensch... nudnik... mensch... nudnik
West Kilowna's announcement (https://www.westkelownawarriors.ca/news-goaltender-justin-katz-commits-to-the-warriors-deal-mccann-to-blackfalds)
Quote from: SwampyWest Kilowna's announcement (https://www.westkelownawarriors.ca/news-goaltender-justin-katz-commits-to-the-warriors-deal-mccann-to-blackfalds)
Actually the announcement from last year when he committed to West Kilowna.
The second French Canadian Jew after Duddy Kravitz (if you have never seen that movie drop everything and see it immediately, Richard Drefuss' finest role which is a high bar.)
His Elite (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/519292/justin-katz) page. We won't be hurting for goalies, anyway.
Let's hope he's The Chosen.
In passing, this (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/942696/zacchaeus-blueboy) was the most recent name added to Elite. I demand we immediately recruit him just for the name.
Quote from: TrotskyThe second French Canadian Jew after Duddy Kravitz (if you have never seen that movie drop everything and see it immediately, Richard Drefuss' finest role which is a high bar.)
His Elite (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/519292/justin-katz) page. We won't be hurting for goalies, anyway.
Let's hope he's The Chosen.
One of the best-known refs of 40 years ago was Percy Shore, of the Tribe, often partnered with Giles Threadgold. When Percy departed this world to see about Commandments 11-15 being real or not, his grandson tracked me down, asked if I could send a short college hockey remembrance because he'd been elected to the Ontario Jewish Sports Hall of Fame and "I know what you're thinking. Yes, there is an Ontario Jewish Sports Hall of Fame."
#MazelTough
Quote from: TrotskyIn passing, this (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/942696/zacchaeus-blueboy) was the most recent name added to Elite. I demand we immediately recruit him just for the name.
And when he blocks a slapshot with his cup ____.
The Athletic has an article (https://theathletic.com/3393872/2022/07/05/nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-2022/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=4572897) (with a paywall) where one of their NHL experts rates the top 131 prospects for the upcoming NHL draft. The only one with an ECAC connection is Ben McDonald, No. 79 on his list, who is committed to Harvard. The majority of the players listed are either European or playing major junior hockey in Canada, but three of them are committed to Boston University, which means we may see them at MSG next year. Only the University of Minnesota, with four commits on the list, has more.
Think the Harvard recruit is Ben MacDonald, who's dad is former Harvard player Lane MacDonald.
Looking at various 7-round mock drafts, Fegaras seems a shoe-in to be drafted, probably in the 4th-5th round. Liam Steele may be a 6th-7th round guy, while Luke Devlin, who seemed likely to be drafted earlier this year, now appear to be a fringe 7th round guy. Mosko's drafting picture seems the most muddled, as I've seen him as high as the 4th round to not being drafted at all.
George Fegaras drafted 83rd overall, the highest in the ECAC this year.
Ben MacDonald (Harvard, 91st) 3rd round
Daimon Gardner (Clarkson, 113rd), Ryan Healey (Harvard, 121st) 4th round
Matthew Morden (Harvard, 131st), Michael Callow (Harvard, 154th) 5th round
Quote from: blackwidowGeorge Fegaras drafted 83rd overall, the highest in the ECAC this year.
Ben MacDonald (Harvard, 91st) 3rd round
Daimon Gardner (Clarkson, 113rd), Ryan Healey (Harvard, 121st) 4th round
Matthew Morden (Harvard, 131st), Michael Callow (Harvard, 154th) 5th round
Luke Devlin just selected #182 (6th round) by the Penguins
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: blackwidowGeorge Fegaras drafted 83rd overall, the highest in the ECAC this year.
Ben MacDonald (Harvard, 91st) 3rd round
Daimon Gardner (Clarkson, 113rd), Ryan Healey (Harvard, 121st) 4th round
Matthew Morden (Harvard, 131st), Michael Callow (Harvard, 154th) 5th round
Luke Devlin just selected #182 (6th round) by the Penguins
I really hope we get to keep Fegaras (pray emoji)
What teams picked them up?
Fegaras went to Dallas.
Quote from: billhowardAnd when he blocks a slapshot with his cup ____.
I've done that! It's quite a memorable experience!
https://twitter.com/russbites/status/1546275101431283713
Follow-up tweet says Walsh is headed to Ithaca this fall.
https://twitter.com/russbites/status/1546309628635537409
I'd be surprised if this is due to Ertel's departure, since we seemed to have adequate forward depth even without him. Andreev is now on the 22-23 roster, so Walsh wouldn't be needed to fill that void.
I imagine CR is Cedar Rapids and he's going to play a year in the USHL
Quote from: pfibigerI imagine CR is Cedar Rapids and he's going to play a year in the USHL
Well, that makes more sense. Someone needs to tell Bitely that Twitter hasn't been limited to 140 characters for awhile :-P
Quote from: CASThink the Harvard recruit is Ben MacDonald, who's dad is former Harvard player Lane MacDonald.
Amazing how much taller he is than his dad. I met Lane a few times when he was at Alta Communications (PE fund). Super nice guy. I think he mentioned he married a Cornell grad who is a Cornell hockey fan?
Quote from: RatushnyFanQuote from: CASThink the Harvard recruit is Ben MacDonald, who's dad is former Harvard player Lane MacDonald.
Amazing how much taller he is than his dad. I met Lane a few times when he was at Alta Communications (PE fund). Super nice guy. I think he mentioned he married a Cornell grad who is a Cornell hockey fan?
Not the first time he fucked us.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RatushnyFanQuote from: CASThink the Harvard recruit is Ben MacDonald, who's dad is former Harvard player Lane MacDonald.
Amazing how much taller he is than his dad. I met Lane a few times when he was at Alta Communications (PE fund). Super nice guy. I think he mentioned he married a Cornell grad who is a Cornell hockey fan?
Not the first time he fucked us.
:-D Nice
Lane MacDonald was a "former Harvard player" in the same sense that Wayne Gretzky was a former Edmonton Oiler. It kind of misses the point. MacDonald won a Hobey and a National Championship with the Crimson.
Quote from: Roy 82Lane MacDonald was a "former Harvard player" in the same sense that Wayne Gretzky was a former Edmonton Oiler. It kind of misses the point. MacDonald won a Hobey and a National Championship with the Crimson.
Good fairy tale. I don't believe for a second that any of what you wrote actually ever happened. Especially the part where you compared a Cantab with Wayne Gretzky.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RatushnyFanQuote from: CASThink the Harvard recruit is Ben MacDonald, who's dad is former Harvard player Lane MacDonald.
Amazing how much taller he is than his dad. I met Lane a few times when he was at Alta Communications (PE fund). Super nice guy. I think he mentioned he married a Cornell grad who is a Cornell hockey fan?
Not the first time he fucked us.
:-D Nice
Lane MacDonald was a "former Harvard player" in the same sense that Wayne Gretzky was a former Edmonton Oiler. It kind of misses the point. MacDonald won a Hobey and a National Championship with the Crimson.
That 1989 Harvard team was spectacular.
Here's one that got away...I hadn't heard this story before.
https://soogreyhounds.com/article/francis-was-ready-to-play-at-cornell-university
Quote from: abmarksHere's one that got away...I hadn't heard this story before.
https://soogreyhounds.com/article/francis-was-ready-to-play-at-cornell-university
Yep, I believe he would've been in my class. I think his best friend from home was Mark Canduro, who I seem to recall had gotten Francis interested in Cornell. While Canduro was a nice college player, he sure wasn't Ron Francis.
Quote from: abmarksHere's one that got away...I hadn't heard this story before.
https://soogreyhounds.com/article/francis-was-ready-to-play-at-cornell-university
Ron's interest in Cornell continued though, as his daughter did go to Cornell. That was instrumental in his trading to Edmonton for the rights to Riley Nash, as Ron (Carolina GM at the time) had seen Riley play several games at Lynah.
New recruit: https://twitter.com/nicholshockey/status/1561801805394321410 He's not yet 17 and already 6'3". Hamilton will be playing this season for Omaha in the USHL.
Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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Quote from: scoop85New recruit: He's not yet 17 and already 6'3". Hamilton will be playing this season for Omaha in the USHL.
Looks like he skates pretty well, too, considering his size. This vid is from 2020 season so he's all of 14 in it.
https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-ice-hockey-recruiting/new-york/buffalo/nichols-school/donovan-hamilton#
Quote from: George64Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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My records show Ambis as Kimball Union Academy, is that wrong?
Also Nichols:
'50 John Brady
'60 Lane Montesano
'62 Jim Lytle
'65 Dick Adams
'91 Tim Vanini
'92 Phil Nobel
'98 Jason Dailey
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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My records show Ambis as Kimball Union Academy, is that wrong?
Also Nichols:
'50 John Brady
'60 Lane Montesano
'62 Jim Lytle
'65 Dick Adams
'91 Tim Vanini
'92 Phil Nobel
'98 Jason Dailey
I'm relying on my memory, which at 80 leaves something to be desired, but I remember a Buffalo-area prep school. I could be wrong, I'll check further.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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My records show Ambis as Kimball Union Academy, is that wrong?
Also Nichols:
'50 John Brady
'60 Lane Montesano
'62 Jim Lytle
'65 Dick Adams
'91 Tim Vanini
'92 Phil Nobel
'98 Jason Dailey
I'm relying on my memory, which at 80 leaves something to be desired, but I remember a Buffalo-area prep school. I could be wrong, I'll check further.
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Cornell roster says Kimball Union.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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My records show Ambis as Kimball Union Academy, is that wrong?
Also Nichols:
'50 John Brady
'60 Lane Montesano
'62 Jim Lytle
'65 Dick Adams
'91 Tim Vanini
'92 Phil Nobel
'98 Jason Dailey
Also Matt Connors if I remember correctly.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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My records show Ambis as Kimball Union Academy, is that wrong?
Also Nichols:
'50 John Brady
'60 Lane Montesano
'62 Jim Lytle
'65 Dick Adams
'91 Tim Vanini
'92 Phil Nobel
'98 Jason Dailey
I'm relying on my memory, which at 80 leaves something to be desired, but I remember a Buffalo-area prep school. I could be wrong, I'll check further.
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Cornell roster says Kimball Union.
I recall Ambis being from Nichols also. Perhaps he transferred to Kimball Union to play at a different level before Cornell.
Quote from: pfibigerQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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My records show Ambis as Kimball Union Academy, is that wrong?
Also Nichols:
'50 John Brady
'60 Lane Montesano
'62 Jim Lytle
'65 Dick Adams
'91 Tim Vanini
'92 Phil Nobel
'98 Jason Dailey
Also Matt Connors if I remember correctly.
I've got Apple Core (EJHL) for Matt so he may well have been Nichols.
Edit: Yup (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/83983/matt-connors), very good memory!
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Another bit of hockey trivia — Eddy Ambis '72, my former dentist and hockey spark-plug at 5'7", also attended Nichols.
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My records show Ambis as Kimball Union Academy, is that wrong?
Also Nichols:
'50 John Brady
'60 Lane Montesano
'62 Jim Lytle
'65 Dick Adams
'91 Tim Vanini
'92 Phil Nobel
'98 Jason Dailey
I'm relying on my memory, which at 80 leaves something to be desired, but I remember a Buffalo-area prep school. I could be wrong, I'll check further.
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Cornell roster says Kimball Union.
I recall Ambis being from Nichols also. Perhaps he transferred to Kimball Union to play at a different level before Cornell.
Hey George - that memory is pretty good. I found this online. Nichols clains Ed as one of its alums:
https://www.nicholsschool.org/athletics/alumni-collegiate-athletes
Maybe Cornell scouts should look for aspiring politicians who dabble in hockey? The last one we had like that was a doozie!
Quote from: osorojoMaybe Cornell scouts should look for aspiring politicians who dabble in hockey? The last one we had like that was a doozie!
The author you refer to just wrote a new book:
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-summit-series-1972-book-review-1.6560435
According to Heisenberg, Hudson Gorski for 2025. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/675864/hudson-gorski
Quote from: ursusminorAccording to Heisenberg, Hudson Gorski for 2025. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/675864/hudson-gorski
Another large defenseman--6'3" as a 16-year-old
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorAccording to Heisenberg, Hudson Gorski for 2025. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/675864/hudson-gorski
Another large defenseman--6'3" as a 16-year-old
6'4" actually
Just an update on a 2023 recruit Tyler Wishart. Joined and Suited up this weekend for the Nanaimo Clippers after being Kimball Union's leading scorer last season. He's from our area - speed, skill, instant offense. You are gonna love him.
Quote from: PghasJust an update on a 2023 recruit Tyler Wishart. Joined and Suited up this weekend for the Nanaimo Clippers after being Kimball Union's leading scorer last season. He's from our area - speed, skill, instant offense. You are gonna love him.
Thank you!
I just went through our Commitments' Elite Prospects pages and updated their teams and weights on TBRW (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html). Several of them put on 20 pounds since their original announcement. Katz was the only one who grew taller, by two inches.
Quote from: TrotskyI just went through our Commitments' Elite Prospects pages and updated their teams and weights on TBRW (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html). Several of them put on 20 pounds since their original announcement. Katz was the only one who grew taller, by two inches.
Hopefully real not stat sheet pounds. Go training table!!!
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyI just went through our Commitments' Elite Prospects pages and updated their teams and weights on TBRW (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html). Several of them put on 20 pounds since their original announcement. Katz was the only one who grew taller, by two inches.
Hopefully real not stat sheet pounds. Go training table!!!
I think these are more aging 17 to 19 pounds.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverIn particular, Seger has put up strong numbers on some bad Union teams. Based on his size (6'4), he could be more of a power forward.
3rd in scoring last year; 2nd in scoring his freshman year. Perhaps more importantly, he's clearly not the defensive problem on those bad Union teams.
Big kid that can score and play defense, and who will likely be around for two years? Absolutely great pickup!
Wait, did we just execute a trade with Union, considering where Ben Tupker is headed? Who's the "player to be named later?"
Tupker scored for union tonight in am ot loss to uconn.
A new commitment, defenseman Hoyt Stanley from the Victoria Grizzlies of the BCHL (https://www.victoriagrizzlies.com/stats/player/7237/50/hoyt-stanley). He's a "C" rated prospect in the NHL mid-term rankings. He doesn't turn 18 until February, and appears to be on track to arrive in 2024.
He's got good size and has put up 14 points in 22 games from the blueline. Looks like an excellent prospect.
A 6 foot ginger defenseman from BC. Are we sure that isn't Chad Wilson?
https://twitter.com/NWolfenberg/status/1598727728664313856
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/NWolfenberg/status/1598727728664313856
We appear to be loading up on quality defensemen
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/NWolfenberg/status/1598727728664313856
We appear to be loading up on quality defensemen
I hope so. His statement looks vague. Did he accept the opportunity to commit?
Current commitments (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html).
Quote from: TrotskyCurrent commitments (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html).
Potomac Falls?
Quote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyCurrent commitments (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html).
Potomac Falls?
A Nanaimo player from Pound Ridge, NY?
Quote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyCurrent commitments (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html).
Potomac Falls?
(https://pics4.city-data.com/sgraphs/nb/household-income-distribution-Potomac-Falls-Broad-Run-Farms-VA.png)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyCurrent commitments (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html).
Potomac Falls?
(https://pics4.city-data.com/sgraphs/nb/household-income-distribution-Potomac-Falls-Broad-Run-Farms-VA.png)
I thought of Frostbite Falls. Maybe he couldn't get into Whatsamatta U?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Maybe he couldn't get into Whatsamatta U?
Wossamotta. Also, I learned a new word today: mondegreen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen).
Quote from: TrotskyAlso, I learned a new word today: mondegreen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen).
Thank you for adding to our fund of knowledge.
"Louie, Louie" has been misheard for one year less than the Ivy League has formally existed.
We could also coin the phrase "Wendover."
Quote from: TrotskyAlso, I learned a new word today: mondegreen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen).
As a kid, I enjoyed watching comedian Red "Skeleton" on our 15 inch black and white TV.
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https://twitter.com/PuckPreps/status/1602506645980209152
does 2006 mean thats when he was born?
Quote from: upprdeckdoes 2006 mean thats when he was born?
Yep
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyCurrent commitments (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html).
Potomac Falls?
A Nanaimo player from Pound Ridge, NY?
yep. Tyler is from Pound Ridge - played for John Jay HS, Westchester Express, then was leading scorer at Kimball Union last year. Great player.
Aidan Cobb also no longer committed.
Quote from: PghasQuote from: ugarteQuote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyCurrent commitments (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2023/2023_Future_Players.html).
Potomac Falls?
A Nanaimo player from Pound Ridge, NY?
yep. Tyler is from Pound Ridge - played for John Jay HS, Westchester Express, then was leading scorer at Kimball Union last year. Great player.
Aidan Cobb also no longer committed.
Cobb junior career never seemed to truly get off the ground, so that doesn't surprise me.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Maybe he couldn't get into Whatsamatta U?
Wossamotta. Also, I learned a new word today: mondegreen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen).
My 4-year-old granddaughter coined the word "hanitizer" (meaning "hand sanitizer") during the peak of the pandemic. I thought it was just a neologism, but I guess I was wrong.
hanitizer isn't a mondegreen. a mondegreen is a misheard lyric (or, in the original, line of poetry) like thinking Jimi Hendrix is singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy" or Elton John asked Tony Danza to hold him closer.
Quote from: ugartehanitizer isn't a mondegreen. a mondegreen is a misheard lyric (or, in the original, line of poetry) like thinking Jimi Hendrix is singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy" or Elton John asked Tony Danza to hold him closer.
So, it can't just be a misheard term; it has to be from song or poetry?
Quote from: SwampyMy 4-year-old granddaughter coined the word "hanitizer" (meaning "hand sanitizer") during the peak of the pandemic. I thought it was just a neologism, but I guess I was wrong.
Alt: Newscaster on non-center-leaning network recasting the news to make his favorite politicians cleaner.
That would be one precocious granddaughter.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: ugartehanitizer isn't a mondegreen. a mondegreen is a misheard lyric (or, in the original, line of poetry) like thinking Jimi Hendrix is singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy" or Elton John asked Tony Danza to hold him closer.
So, it can't just be a misheard term; it has to be from song or poetry?
yes, but also... more like it's a strange term to apply to a four year old who lacks the age and experience to have had a chance of getting it right.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyMy 4-year-old granddaughter coined the word "hanitizer" (meaning "hand sanitizer") during the peak of the pandemic. I thought it was just a neologism, but I guess I was wrong.
Alt: Newscaster on non-center-leaning network recasting the news to make his favorite politicians cleaner.
That would be one precocious granddaughter.
you are describing a sniglet
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyMy 4-year-old granddaughter coined the word "hanitizer" (meaning "hand sanitizer") during the peak of the pandemic. I thought it was just a neologism, but I guess I was wrong.
Alt: Newscaster on non-center-leaning network recasting the news to make his favorite politicians cleaner.
That would be one precocious granddaughter.
Well, now she's six and in first grade, reading at about third grade level, so I'd agree with you. But I assumed she came up with hanitizer when she heard "sanitizer" but was unfamiliar with sanitariness, knew it was for hands, and assumed the word was "hanitizer" because one uses it on their hands.
This would not be a singlet, as I understand the term.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyMy 4-year-old granddaughter coined the word "hanitizer" (meaning "hand sanitizer") during the peak of the pandemic. I thought it was just a neologism, but I guess I was wrong.
Alt: Newscaster on non-center-leaning network recasting the news to make his favorite politicians cleaner.
That would be one precocious granddaughter.
Well, now she's six and in first grade, reading at about third grade level, so I'd agree with you. But I assumed she came up with hanitizer when she heard "sanitizer" but was unfamiliar with sanitariness, knew it was for hands, and assumed the word was "hanitizer" because one uses it on their hands.
This would not be a singlet, as I understand the term.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyMy 4-year-old granddaughter coined the word "hanitizer" (meaning "hand sanitizer") during the peak of the pandemic. I thought it was just a neologism, but I guess I was wrong.
Alt: Newscaster on non-center-leaning network recasting the news to make his favorite politicians cleaner.
That would be one precocious granddaughter.
Well, now she's six and in first grade, reading at about third grade level, so I'd agree with you. But I assumed she came up with hanitizer when she heard "sanitizer" but was unfamiliar with sanitariness, knew it was for hands, and assumed the word was "hanitizer" because one uses it on their hands.
This would not be a singlet, as I understand the term.
bill's alternate definition of hanitizer was the sniglet
hanitizer is a wonderful Portmanteau. Tell Webster's, they will love it.
Quote from: nshapirohanitizer is a wonderful Portmanteau. Tell Webster's, they will love it.
Right. But as I understand it, a sniglet is
deliberately chosen because a more suitable word does not already exist.
I agree that "hanitizer" is a better term than "hand sanitizer." So, as far as I'm concerned "hanitizer" qualifies as a sniglet.
But my granddaughter created the word, and she did not even know another term, the official "hand sanitizer," even existed. Instead, she heard the term, cognitively processed it through her understanding that it means something that cleans hands, and therefore believed the original term she heard was actually "hanitizer." So, for her it is not a sniglet.
This seems more akin to a mondegreen, except it doesn't involve song or poetry, a condition ugarte says is necessary.
Is there a term for a word a child makes up because it resembles an adult term they've heard but makes more sense in the context of the child's understanding of the world?
Vows of "commitment" whether in sports or government or business or matrimony have suffered from greatly reduced expectations - and results.
New recruit
https://twitter.com/RidertownUSA/status/1607042624908832769
He's a smaller forward from Rochester who apparently plays bigger than his size. Has been on a scoring tear in the USHL. As a 2003 birth year, I assume he'll be coming this fall.
Quote from: scoop85New Recruit
He's a smaller forward from Rochester who apparently plays bigger than his size. Has been on a scoring tear in the USHL. As a 2003 birth year, I assume he'll be coming this fall.
From: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegazette.com/minor-league-sports/after-missing-first-month-with-mono-jacob-kraft-making-impact-with-cedar-rapids-roughriders/%3famp=1
"Mentally tough," RoughRiders Coach Mark Carlson said. "He didn't play for awhile, for a month or so, but we got him in the lineup, and his energy, his tenacity, have been great. He's a mentally tough player. There is a lot that guys can take from his game."
One is his ability to play effectively despite being a smaller player. Kraft is listed at 5-foot-8 and 165 pounds.
He gets around that by being a good skater with solid puck skills, and not being afraid to tussle with bigger opponents.
"A lot of coaches that I've played for and talked to say I play bigger than what I actually am," he said. "The mentality there is probably the biggest thing. Going into a battle knowing that it doesn't matter if you're 6-5 or 5-7, 5-8, you are going to come out with the puck. That kind of mentality is the biggest thing."
Also this, fwiw these days:
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: scoop85New Recruit
He's a smaller forward from Rochester who apparently plays bigger than his size. Has been on a scoring tear in the USHL. As a 2003 birth year, I assume he'll be coming this fall.
From: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegazette.com/minor-league-sports/after-missing-first-month-with-mono-jacob-kraft-making-impact-with-cedar-rapids-roughriders/%3famp=1
"Mentally tough," RoughRiders Coach Mark Carlson said. "He didn't play for awhile, for a month or so, but we got him in the lineup, and his energy, his tenacity, have been great. He's a mentally tough player. There is a lot that guys can take from his game."
One is his ability to play effectively despite being a smaller player. Kraft is listed at 5-foot-8 and 165 pounds.
He gets around that by being a good skater with solid puck skills, and not being afraid to tussle with bigger opponents.
"A lot of coaches that I've played for and talked to say I play bigger than what I actually am," he said. "The mentality there is probably the biggest thing. Going into a battle knowing that it doesn't matter if you're 6-5 or 5-7, 5-8, you are going to come out with the puck. That kind of mentality is the biggest thing."
Also this, fwiw these days:
Over under on him being 5-6 1/2?
Quote from: martyOver under on him being 5-6 1/2?
The NHL CSB confirms heights and weights for USHL players. https://ushl.com/ht#/player/9618/79/jacobakraft
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyOver under on him being 5-6 1/2?
The NHL CSB confirms heights and weights for USHL players. https://ushl.com/ht#/player/9618/79/jacobakraft
OK, so 5-6 3/4.
Quote from: The Gazette"A lot of coaches that I've played for and talked to say I play bigger than what I actually am," [Kraft] said. "The mentality there is probably the biggest thing. Going into a battle knowing that it doesn't matter if you're 6-5 or 5-7, 5-8, you are going to come out with the puck. That kind of mentality is the biggest thing."
I'm roughly Kraft's size. Maybe I was the only person at Cornell hockey (intramural) who clearly played below his height? If I dove to block a shot, it was because I tripped.
Quote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyOver under on him being 5-6 1/2?
The NHL CSB confirms heights and weights for USHL players. https://ushl.com/ht#/player/9618/79/jacobakraft
OK, so 5-6 3/4.
Topher Scott '08 was 5-6.
Quote from: George64Quote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyOver under on him being 5-6 1/2?
The NHL CSB confirms heights and weights for USHL players. https://ushl.com/ht#/player/9618/79/jacobakraft
OK, so 5-6 3/4.
Topher Scott '08 was 5-6.
Maybe on skates.
Quote from: martyQuote from: abmarksQuote from: scoop85New Recruit
He's a smaller forward from Rochester who apparently plays bigger than his size. Has been on a scoring tear in the USHL. As a 2003 birth year, I assume he'll be coming this fall.
From: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegazette.com/minor-league-sports/after-missing-first-month-with-mono-jacob-kraft-making-impact-with-cedar-rapids-roughriders/%3famp=1
"Mentally tough," RoughRiders Coach Mark Carlson said. "He didn't play for awhile, for a month or so, but we got him in the lineup, and his energy, his tenacity, have been great. He's a mentally tough player. There is a lot that guys can take from his game."
One is his ability to play effectively despite being a smaller player. Kraft is listed at 5-foot-8 and 165 pounds.
He gets around that by being a good skater with solid puck skills, and not being afraid to tussle with bigger opponents.
"A lot of coaches that I've played for and talked to say I play bigger than what I actually am," he said. "The mentality there is probably the biggest thing. Going into a battle knowing that it doesn't matter if you're 6-5 or 5-7, 5-8, you are going to come out with the puck. That kind of mentality is the biggest thing."
Also this, fwiw these days:
Over under on him being 5-6 1/2?
Over.
In skates.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: The Gazette"A lot of coaches that I've played for and talked to say I play bigger than what I actually am," [Kraft] said. "The mentality there is probably the biggest thing. Going into a battle knowing that it doesn't matter if you're 6-5 or 5-7, 5-8, you are going to come out with the puck. That kind of mentality is the biggest thing."
I'm roughly Kraft's size. Maybe I was the only person at Cornell hockey (intramural) who clearly played below his height? If I dove to block a shot, it was because I tripped.
The thing about that is, back in the day, you and I would have been average (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Scoring_by_Year/rptCornell_Scoring_1958.pdf) for a Cornell plyer.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: The Gazette"A lot of coaches that I've played for and talked to say I play bigger than what I actually am," [Kraft] said. "The mentality there is probably the biggest thing. Going into a battle knowing that it doesn't matter if you're 6-5 or 5-7, 5-8, you are going to come out with the puck. That kind of mentality is the biggest thing."
I'm roughly Kraft's size. Maybe I was the only person at Cornell hockey (intramural) who clearly played below his height? If I dove to block a shot, it was because I tripped.
The thing about that is, back in the day, you and I would have been average (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Scoring_by_Year/rptCornell_Scoring_1958.pdf) for a Cornell plyer.
With a 3-7-1 record for 1957-58.
Quote from: scoop85New recruit
https://twitter.com/RidertownUSA/status/1607042624908832769
He's a smaller forward from Rochester who apparently plays bigger than his size. Has been on a scoring tear in the USHL. As a 2003 birth year, I assume he'll be coming this fall.
One might even describe Kraft as being improvisational?, cunning?, artful? hmmm perhaps there is a more obvious word. ::whistle::
Quote from: Roy 82One might even describe Kraft as being improvisational?, cunning?, artful? hmmm perhaps there is a more obvious word. ::whistle::
"Jakey (https://www.namious.com/p/en/m/jakey.jpg)"?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Roy 82One might even describe Kraft as being improvisational?, cunning?, artful? hmmm perhaps there is a more obvious word. ::whistle::
"Jakey (https://www.namious.com/p/en/m/jakey.jpg)"?
Korrect!
I believe Cornell's most successful hockey team was comprised of relatively "small" skaters. The biggest member of that team was probably the goalie.
Quote from: osorojoI believe Cornell's most successful hockey team was comprised of relatively "small" skaters. The biggest member of that team was probably the goalie.
The 1969-70 team that went 29-0-0 was backstopped by 5-7 Brian Cropper. Ken Dryden was the goalie on our first NCAA Championship team (27-1-1) in 1967.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: osorojoI believe Cornell's most successful hockey team was comprised of relatively "small" skaters. The biggest member of that team was probably the goalie.
The 1969-70 team that went 29-0-0 was backstopped by 5-7 Brian Cropper. Ken Dryden was the goalie on our first NCAA Championship team (27-1-1) in 1967.
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Go easy on him, casual fans often forget who the 1970 goalie was.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: George64Quote from: osorojoI believe Cornell's most successful hockey team was comprised of relatively "small" skaters. The biggest member of that team was probably the goalie.
The 1969-70 team that went 29-0-0 was backstopped by 5-7 Brian Cropper. Ken Dryden was the goalie on our first NCAA Championship team (27-1-1) in 1967.
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Go easy on him, casual fans often forget who the 1970 goalie was.
My two favorite NCAA hockey trivia questions:
How many saves did Ken Dryden have in the championship game of Cornell's undefeated season?
In which lodging establishment did the Clarkson team stay during championship weekend of their undefeated season?
Cornell recruits well represented on the NHL Central Scouting midterm list for North American skaters released today:
Hoyt Stanley — 77
Jonathan Castagna — 135
Chase Pirtle — 141
Nicholas Wofenberg - 193
Quote from: scoop85Cornell recruits well represented on the NHL Central Scouting midterm list for North American skaters released today:
Hoyt Stanley — 77
Jonathan Castagna — 135
Chase Pirtle — 141
Nicholas Wofenberg - 193
Is this about what we might normally have in a recruiting class or much better than usual?
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: scoop85Cornell recruits well represented on the NHL Central Scouting midterm list for North American skaters released today:
Hoyt Stanley — 77
Jonathan Castagna — 135
Chase Pirtle — 141
Nicholas Wofenberg - 193
Is this about what we might normally have in a recruiting class or much better than usual?
Cornell had four last year too. Not sure on the years before that. Four is pretty good, though. That's more than anyone else in the ECAC tends to get, other than Harvard. Recruiting has been solid lately. In terms of on-paper talent we are out-recruiting everyone in the league besides Harvard. Though, there's a bigger gap between Harvard and Cornell than there is between Cornell and Clarkson/Q. I believe we had our best talent in the Schafer era in the early 2000s. Lately we've picked it up but aren't back at that level yet.
Justin Katz stopped all 18 shots he faced in the BCHL's 1st top prospects game. Hoyt Stanley also played in the contest.
Those names are both so wonderful.
We try to block as many shots as we can but we still have a goalie, Justin Katz.
With Big Red Puckhead defunct and having a bit of time to kill I thought I'd provide an statistical update on our recruits. The number in parentheses is the age they will be at the close of 2023:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 26 GP, 11 G, 8 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 23 GP, 9 G, 2 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 36 GP, 6 G, 18 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 32 GP, 1 G, 22 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 43 GP, 21 G, 18 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — Unknown
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Lincoln Stars, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Lincoln: 10 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 31 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 23 GP, 13 G, 19 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 19 GP, 8 G, 9 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 25 GP, 5 G, 5 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln, USHL (19) — 22 GP, 1 G, 2 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 17 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 31 GP, 5 G, 3 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 24 GP, 2 G, 7 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 23 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 32 GP, 3 G, 9 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 31 GP, 7 G, 17 A
Kraft and Walsh, as 20-year-olds, will surely be coming in the fall. I believe Katz will be coming the fall of 2024; I believe the other 19-year olds are slated to come next fall, but often we have a deferral or two each year depending upon how the rest of the roster shakes out. While there appears to be talent at all positions, the defensemen look particularly strong.
Quote from: scoop85With Big Red Puckhead defunct and having a bit of time to kill I thought I'd provide an statistical update on our recruits. The number in parentheses is the age they will be at the close of 2023:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 26 GP, 11 G, 8 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 23 GP, 9 G, 2 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 36 GP, 6 G, 18 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 32 GP, 1 G, 22 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 43 GP, 21 G, 18 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — Unknown
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Lincoln Stars, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Lincoln: 10 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 31 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 23 GP, 13 G, 19 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 19 GP, 8 G, 9 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 25 GP, 5 G, 5 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln, USHL (19) — 22 GP, 1 G, 2 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 17 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 31 GP, 5 G, 3 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 24 GP, 2 G, 7 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 23 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 32 GP, 3 G, 9 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 31 GP, 7 G, 17 A
Kraft and Walsh, as 20-year-olds, will surely be coming in the fall. I believe Katz will be coming the fall of 2024; I believe the other 19-year olds are slated to come next fall, but often we have a deferral or two each year depending upon how the rest of the roster shakes out. While there appears to be talent at all positions, the defensemen look particularly strong.
Thanks. The list of incoming recruits looks deep and strong. I am curious whether any of this year's seniors will do what Andreev did and come back for a fifth (fourth) year. That will determine how many recruits matriculate next fall.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85With Big Red Puckhead defunct and having a bit of time to kill I thought I'd provide an statistical update on our recruits. The number in parentheses is the age they will be at the close of 2023:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 26 GP, 11 G, 8 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 23 GP, 9 G, 2 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 36 GP, 6 G, 18 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 32 GP, 1 G, 22 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 43 GP, 21 G, 18 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — Unknown
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Lincoln Stars, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Lincoln: 10 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 31 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 23 GP, 13 G, 19 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 19 GP, 8 G, 9 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 25 GP, 5 G, 5 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln, USHL (19) — 22 GP, 1 G, 2 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 17 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 31 GP, 5 G, 3 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 24 GP, 2 G, 7 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 23 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 32 GP, 3 G, 9 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 31 GP, 7 G, 17 A
Kraft and Walsh, as 20-year-olds, will surely be coming in the fall. I believe Katz will be coming the fall of 2024; I believe the other 19-year olds are slated to come next fall, but often we have a deferral or two each year depending upon how the rest of the roster shakes out. While there appears to be talent at all positions, the defensemen look particularly strong.
Thanks. The list of incoming recruits looks deep and strong. I am curious whether any of this year's seniors will do what Andreev did and come back for a fifth (fourth) year. That will determine how many recruits matriculate next fall.
If Dirven, Malinski and Mitchell graduate we'll need some D-men with offensive skill to fill those holes. Of the guys expected next year, Wolfenberg, Fegaras, and Robertson all appear to be strong 2-way defensemen.
Quote from: scoop85With Big Red Puckhead defunct and having a bit of time to kill I thought I'd provide an statistical update on our recruits. The number in parentheses is the age they will be at the close of 2023:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 26 GP, 11 G, 8 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 23 GP, 9 G, 2 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 36 GP, 6 G, 18 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 32 GP, 1 G, 22 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 43 GP, 21 G, 18 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — Unknown
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Lincoln Stars, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Lincoln: 10 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 31 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 23 GP, 13 G, 19 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 19 GP, 8 G, 9 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 25 GP, 5 G, 5 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln, USHL (19) — 22 GP, 1 G, 2 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 17 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 31 GP, 5 G, 3 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 24 GP, 2 G, 7 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 23 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 32 GP, 3 G, 9 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 31 GP, 7 G, 17 A
Kraft and Walsh, as 20-year-olds, will surely be coming in the fall. I believe Katz will be coming the fall of 2024; I believe the other 19-year olds are slated to come next fall, but often we have a deferral or two each year depending upon how the rest of the roster shakes out. While there appears to be talent at all positions, the defensemen look particularly strong.
Kraft, Walsh, Fegaras, Devlin, Robertson, Wolfenberg should be here next fall for sure. All have two years of junior hockey experience and/or were drafted, and they've produced in juniors. Some or all of Mosko, Major, Steele, Wishart, Catalano will be here then too. Hoyt Stanley is only 18 but was rated highly by Central Scouting and may be college-ready next year. The others are highly unlikely to be here before the fall of 2024.
Quote from: BearLoverKraft, Walsh, Fegaras, Devlin, Robertson, Wolfenberg should be here next fall for sure. All have two years of junior hockey experience and/or were drafted, and they've produced in juniors. Some or all of Mosko, Major, Steele, Wishart, Catalano will be here then too. Hoyt Stanley is only 18 but was rated highly by Central Scouting and may be college-ready next year. The others are highly unlikely to be here before the fall of 2024.
I'd be surprised if Stanley comes in next year given how many older guys we know are coming in on defense already, although it seems like Stanley may well be a mid-round pick in the NHL draft.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverKraft, Walsh, Fegaras, Devlin, Robertson, Wolfenberg should be here next fall for sure. All have two years of junior hockey experience and/or were drafted, and they've produced in juniors. Some or all of Mosko, Major, Steele, Wishart, Catalano will be here then too. Hoyt Stanley is only 18 but was rated highly by Central Scouting and may be college-ready next year. The others are highly unlikely to be here before the fall of 2024.
I'd be surprised if Stanley comes in next year given how many older guys we know are coming in on defense already, although it seems like Stanley may well be a mid-round pick in the NHL draft.
That's true. I'm frankly surprised Cornell has so many defenseman recruits. At least six should matriculate within the next two seasons. Malinski, Dirven, and Mitchell will be gone. Possibly Rego and Lagerstrom too, though who knows given the extra year of eligibility.
Chris Heisenberg recently added Giovanni (Gio) DiGiulian of the Kent School and the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA team for 2024 or 2025. He's from Vermont, not Italy.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/884325/giovanni-digiulian
The hell are the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA and how do we get one of those?
Quote from: TrotskyThe hell are the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA and how do we get one of those?
I assume that DiGiulian played for them before the Prep School season began. Here is their tweet about DiGiulian:
https://twitter.com/JrBulldogHockey/status/1617920507076304901
Wow, they have an entire system (http://www.yaleyouthhockey.com/). That's better than CM --> BC.
"Yale Youth Hockey Association, Inc. is neither sponsored nor affiliated with Yale University. "Yale" is a registered trademark and used with the permission of the University."
That's OK, Yale really hasn't been "Yale" since the 1930s anyway.
Quote from: ursusminorChris Heisenberg recently added Giovanni (Gio) DiGiulian of the Kent School and the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA team for 2024 or 2025. He's from Vermont, not Italy.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/884325/giovanni-digiulian
His father, who played at Hamilton, is the coach at St. Michael's college, a D3 school in Vermont.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorChris Heisenberg recently added Giovanni (Gio) DiGiulian of the Kent School and the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA team for 2024 or 2025. He's from Vermont, not Italy.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/884325/giovanni-digiulian
His father, who played at Hamilton, is the coach at St. Michael's college, a D3 school in Vermont.
That's a tough get. The kid grew up in south Burlington, with means he lived within a 15 minute drive, at most, of UVM/gutterson. I don't have the actual stats, but Burlington area kids who are good enough to play D1 have quite often stayed in town to play for UVM. (See Leclair, John)
His father, Damian, also was an assistant coach at Vermont, back in the day. Had him on our podcast a couple years ago.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorChris Heisenberg recently added Giovanni (Gio) DiGiulian of the Kent School and the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA team for 2024 or 2025. He's from Vermont, not Italy.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/884325/giovanni-digiulian
His father, who played at Hamilton, is the coach at St. Michael's college, a D3 school in Vermont.
That's a tough get. The kid grew up in south Burlington, with means he lived within a 15 minute drive, at most, of UVM/gutterson. I don't have the actual stats, but Burlington area kids who are good enough to play D1 have quite often stayed in town to play for UVM. (See Leclair, John)
LeClair and Ducolon are the only Vermont-born players I can think of. Both from St. Albans, both went to UVM.
Geoff Raynak is the only Vermont-born Cornellian. Franklin, which is nearly closer to Montreal than Burlington.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: abmarksQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorChris Heisenberg recently added Giovanni (Gio) DiGiulian of the Kent School and the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA team for 2024 or 2025. He's from Vermont, not Italy.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/884325/giovanni-digiulian
His father, who played at Hamilton, is the coach at St. Michael's college, a D3 school in Vermont.
That's a tough get. The kid grew up in south Burlington, with means he lived within a 15 minute drive, at most, of UVM/gutterson. I don't have the actual stats, but Burlington area kids who are good enough to play D1 have quite often stayed in town to play for UVM. (See Leclair, John)
LeClair and Ducolon are the only Vermont-born players I can think of. Both from St. Albans, both went to UVM.
Geoff Raynak is the only Vermont-born Cornellian. Franklin, which is nearly closer to Montreal than Burlington.
You weren't paying attention Trotsky. Let the Vermonter fill in the blanks for you...
Vermonters who played at UVM from 2000 to present. The first column is the last season they were on the roster, the third column their class that year.
16 17 Tom Forgione SR F South Burlington, Vermont / Sioux Falls (USHL)
13 14 Pete Massar SR F Williston, Vermont / Green Mountain (EJHL) Previous College: Clarkson (2010-11)
12 13 Ben Albertson SR F Williston, Vermont / Indiana (USHL
11 12 Brett Leonard SR F South Burlington, Vermont / Green Mountain (EJHL)
08 09 Peter Lenes SR F Shelburne, Vermont / Sioux City (USHL)
07 08 Reese Wisnowski JR F East Middlebury, Vermont / New Hampshire Junior Monarchs
06 07 Andy Corran SR F Burlington, Vermont / Wisconsin-Stevens Point
05 06 Brady Leisenring SR F Stowe, Vermont / US National Team
05 06 Travis Russell SR G Essex Junction, Vermont / Taft School
05 06 Ben Driver SR F Georgia, Vermont / Taft School
04 05 Tim Plant SR F Barre, Vermont / Taft School
03 04 Spencer Morton SO F Stowe, Vermont / Green Mountain Glades
03 04 Thomas Child SR F Shelburne, Vermont / Babson College
02 03 Baron Becker FR F Waterford, Michigan / Cleveland Barons
01 02 Tim Peters SR G Saxtons River, Vermont / Dubuque
00 01 Graham Mink JR F Stowe, Vermont / Northfield Mount Hermon
Like I said, the only Vermont-born players I can think of are LeClair and Ducolon.
Quote from: TrotskyLike I said, the only Vermont-born players I can think of are LeClair and Ducolon.
Point taking. Those are the better ones. My point was just that kids tend to stay home at UVM
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: TrotskyLike I said, the only Vermont-born players I can think of are LeClair and Ducolon.
Point taking. Those are the better ones. My point was just that kids tend to stay home at UVM
Trotsky, since you're as old as Methuselah, you don't recall Randy Koch. UVM '78? 162pts in 128 games over four years. And 2 goals, 2 assists in 7-2 win over Cornell in 1975 ecac consolation game.
https://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1975/box19750308.pdf
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: abmarksQuote from: TrotskyLike I said, the only Vermont-born players I can think of are LeClair and Ducolon.
Point taking. Those are the better ones. My point was just that kids tend to stay home at UVM
Trotsky, since you're as old as Methuselah, you don't recall Randy Koch. UVM '78? 162pts in 128 games over four years. And 2 goals, 2 assists in 7-2 win over Cornell in 1975 ecac consolation game.
https://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1975/box19750308.pdf
Wow, I do not. That is impressive!
Quote from: scoop85With Big Red Puckhead defunct and having a bit of time to kill I thought I'd provide an statistical update on our recruits. The number in parentheses is the age they will be at the close of 2023:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 26 GP, 11 G, 8 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 23 GP, 9 G, 2 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 36 GP, 6 G, 18 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 32 GP, 1 G, 22 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 43 GP, 21 G, 18 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — Unknown
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Lincoln Stars, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Lincoln: 10 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 31 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 23 GP, 13 G, 19 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 19 GP, 8 G, 9 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 25 GP, 5 G, 5 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln, USHL (19) — 22 GP, 1 G, 2 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 17 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 31 GP, 5 G, 3 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 24 GP, 2 G, 7 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 33 GP, 1 G, 23 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 32 GP, 3 G, 9 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 31 GP, 7 G, 17 A
Kraft and Walsh, as 20-year-olds, will surely be coming in the fall. I believe Katz will be coming the fall of 2024; I believe the other 19-year olds are slated to come next fall, but often we have a deferral or two each year depending upon how the rest of the roster shakes out. While there appears to be talent at all positions, the defensemen look particularly strong.
The recruiting pipeline continues to look strong on paper. A few highlights:
—Fegaras and Devlin have already been drafted. Wolfenberg, Stanley, Castagna, and Pirtle were all ranked on the NHL Central Scouting Midterm Rankings as potential draft picks this year.
—Walsh is second overall in the USHL in points per game.
—Robertson is 11th among defensemen in the USHL in points per game.
—Fegaras is 22nd among defensemen in the USHL in points per game.
—Kraft is 43rd overall in the USHL in points per game despite recovering from mono earlier this season.
—Stanley is 14th in the BCHL among defensemen in points per game.
—Wolfenberg is 16th in the AJHL among defensemen in points per game.
—Most of the above players are still 18; Walsh and Kraft are 19. To find success in junior hockey at 18 is impressive. This year's freshman class saw junior hockey success, but generally at age 19 and/or 20.
— Marian Mosko and Liam Steele were rated by NHL Central Scouting in last year's Final Rankings, but went undrafted.
—Major and Catalano are putting up okay numbers in the USHL (the top junior league). They are both 18, and if Major stays in juniors another year we could see his numbers balloon next season.
—Katz had strong numbers in the BCHL last season as a 17-year-old but has struggled a bit this season. He should have another year of juniors ahead of him with three goalies already slated to be on the roster for next season.
—I would expect a second year of junior hockey for Tyler Wishart to develop more.
—The other players are too young to have much data on.
For forwards, we should see Kraft, Walsh, Devlin, and Catalano next year. We are losing a ton of strong players at forward (Andreev, Stienburg, Berard, Malone, Tupker). I think we may end up short a player or two; I wonder if the coaches will look to the transfer portal or elevate one of the other recruits early.
As previously discussed, it looks like there could be a logjam at defense. Wolfenberg, Fegaras, Robertson, Steele, Mosko, and Stanley could all reasonably matriculate next fall. Stanley, as the youngest, may get held back even if he gets taken in the draft, but even then we would still have five incoming defensemen with only Mitchell, Malinski, and Dirven slated to graduate.
Quote from: BearLoverAs previously discussed, it looks like there could be a logjam at defense. Wolfenberg, Fegaras, Robertson, Steele, Mosko, and Stanley could all reasonably matriculate next fall. Stanley, as the youngest, may get held back even if he gets taken in the draft, but even then we would still have five incoming defensemen with only Mitchell, Malinski, and Dirven slated to graduate.
We also have 2 current Dmen (Rayhill and O'Brien) who IINM have never played. So we will return Kempf, Suda, and Rego as regular D men and Lagerstrom who is an injury backup. So pulling in 4 or 5 guys may not be the worst thing.
Kraft is also 24th in the USHL in goals per game. He is listed at only 5'8.
https://twitter.com/WolverinesJrA/status/1623458342969696256
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/739328/aiden-long
He has Mono. (Mono, Ontario that is. :-D )
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/WolverinesJrA/status/1623458342969696256
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/739328/aiden-long
He has Mono. (Mono, Ontario that is. :-D )
Long has the second most PPG among 2005 birth years in the AJHL, just behind a Colgate commit.
6'3", 190 lb. Our kind of player.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '826'3", 190 lb. Our kind of player.
Heck, in some years past, that'd be a forward on a Cornell basketball team.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '826'3", 190 lb. Our kind of player.
Heck, in some years past, that'd be a forward on a Cornell basketball team.
Looks like we could use him.
https://twitter.com/russbites/status/1624783180250202115
Quote from: jts15https://twitter.com/russbites/status/1624783180250202115
I don't believe we've ever had a USHL recruit so high on the league scoring list this far into the season.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: jts15https://twitter.com/russbites/status/1624783180250202115
I don't believe we've ever had a USHL recruit so high on the league scoring list this far into the season.
Brown Ferlin finished 3rd in the USHL in scoring in 2010-11. Alex Limoges (who ultimately decommitted) finished 7th in 2016-17. They're the only players who come to mind in recent history.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: jts15https://twitter.com/russbites/status/1624783180250202115
I don't believe we've ever had a USHL recruit so high on the league scoring list this far into the season.
He's only 6'1 though. ;)
Cornell will need to replace the 5 forwards and 3 defensemen graduating (all of whom were everyday players and big contributors). It is easy to find 3 college-ready defensemen among the recruits. I would expect Robertson, Fegaras, and Wolfenberg to contribute immediately. Steele and/or Mosko may also come. For the forwards, it's not so easy finding 5 players who clearly look college-ready. Walsh, Kraft, and Devlin will definitely come. But I'm not sure who the two others would be. Cornell could choose to accelerate Pirtle and/or Castagna, both of whom have a chance of being drafted this year. However, neither has played any junior hockey, so this wouldn't be ideal and I doubt the staff would want this. Wishart, Catalano, and Major all have junior hockey experience, but haven't put up numbers and could use another year to develop. I wonder if Cornell looks at the transfer portal or tries to snag a very late recruit at forward. (Can Berard come back for a fifth year?)
Quote from: BearLoverCornell will need to replace the 5 forwards and 3 defensemen graduating (all of whom were everyday players and big contributors). It is easy to find 3 college-ready defensemen among the recruits. I would expect Robertson, Fegaras, and Wolfenberg to contribute immediately. Steele and/or Mosko may also come. For the forwards, it's not so easy finding 5 players who clearly look college-ready. Walsh, Kraft, and Devlin will definitely come. But I'm not sure who the two others would be. Cornell could choose to accelerate Pirtle and/or Castagna, both of whom have a chance of being drafted this year. However, neither has played any junior hockey, so this wouldn't be ideal and I doubt the staff would want this. Wishart, Catalano, and Major all have junior hockey experience, but haven't put up numbers and could use another year to develop. I wonder if Cornell looks at the transfer portal or tries to snag a very late recruit at forward. (Can Berard come back for a fifth year?)
Is there something about berards situation that makes you think it's possible?
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverCornell will need to replace the 5 forwards and 3 defensemen graduating (all of whom were everyday players and big contributors). It is easy to find 3 college-ready defensemen among the recruits. I would expect Robertson, Fegaras, and Wolfenberg to contribute immediately. Steele and/or Mosko may also come. For the forwards, it's not so easy finding 5 players who clearly look college-ready. Walsh, Kraft, and Devlin will definitely come. But I'm not sure who the two others would be. Cornell could choose to accelerate Pirtle and/or Castagna, both of whom have a chance of being drafted this year. However, neither has played any junior hockey, so this wouldn't be ideal and I doubt the staff would want this. Wishart, Catalano, and Major all have junior hockey experience, but haven't put up numbers and could use another year to develop. I wonder if Cornell looks at the transfer portal or tries to snag a very late recruit at forward. (Can Berard come back for a fifth year?)
Is there something about berards situation that makes you think it's possible?
No, just wishful thinking.
Just noticed Ryan St. Louis, Martin's son, transferred to Brown, after a sojourn back in the USHL this last year, from Northeastern. Watch out for Bruno next year!
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/35971007/paul-kariya-100-point-scorer-ncaa-hockey
Good article on 100 point seasons, goalies and expanded schedules.
An update of our publicly listed recruits as they near the end of their seasons:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 51 GP, 15 G, 14 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 44 GP, 13 G, 8 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 38 GP, 6 G, 18 A; playoffs: 10 GP, 1 G, 0 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 53 GP, 4 G, 34 A; playoffs: 4 GP, 0 G, 1 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 52 GP, 24 G, 20 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — 28 GP, 5 G, 4 A
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Omaha Lancers, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Omaha: 16 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 56 GP, 28 G, 44 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA (may be injured; no new stats since Jan.)
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 50 GP, 29 G, 43 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 47 GP, 20 G, 24 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 42 GP, 5 G, 6 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln/Fargo, USHL (19) — 38 GP, 1 G, 3 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 57 GP, 3 G, 22 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 55 GP, 8 G, 5 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 43 GP, 3 G, 13 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 58 GP, 3 G, 38 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 50 GP, 4 G, 13 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 51 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Aiden Long, F, Whitecourt, AJHL (18) — 50 GP, 19 G, 27 A; playoffs: 9 GP, 2 G, 5 A
Of the forwards likely coming in next year, Walsh's stats are the only ones that pop, as he is the second leading scorer in the USHL behind only Macklin Celebrini, the 16-year old wunderkind who's going to BU next year and is projected as the top pick in the 2024 NHL draft. Hopefully he can be productive out of the gate next year. Defensemen Robertson and Fegaras are the most likely guys to add some of the offensive pop from the blue line we've lost with Malinski and Mitchell graduating.
Quote from: scoop85An update of our publicly listed recruits as they near the end of their seasons:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 51 GP, 15 G, 14 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 44 GP, 13 G, 8 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 38 GP, 6 G, 18 A; playoffs: 10 GP, 1 G, 0 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 53 GP, 4 G, 34 A; playoffs: 4 GP, 0 G, 1 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 52 GP, 24 G, 20 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — 28 GP, 5 G, 4 A
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Omaha Lancers, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Omaha: 16 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 56 GP, 28 G, 44 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA (may be injured; no new stats since Jan.)
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 50 GP, 29 G, 43 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 47 GP, 20 G, 24 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 42 GP, 5 G, 6 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln/Fargo, USHL (19) — 38 GP, 1 G, 3 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 57 GP, 3 G, 22 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 55 GP, 8 G, 5 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 43 GP, 3 G, 13 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 58 GP, 3 G, 38 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 50 GP, 4 G, 13 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 51 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Aiden Long, F, Whitecourt, AJHL (18) — 50 GP, 19 G, 27 A; playoffs: 9 GP, 2 G, 5 A
Of the forwards likely coming in next year, Walsh's stats are the only ones that pop, as he is the second leading scorer in the USHL behind only Macklin Celebrini, the 16-year old wunderkind who's going to BU next year and is projected as the top pick in the 2024 NHL draft. Hopefully he can be productive out of the gate next year. Defensemen Robertson and Fegaras are the most likely guys to add some of the offensive pop from the blue line we've lost with Malinski and Mitchell graduating.
Cornell is clearly going to be lacking productive forwards next season unless it can someone pull someone out of the transfer portal. This is unlikely to occur due to Ivy rules about grad transfers as well as the lack of scholarships (someone transferring to Cornell would need to give up their scholarship). If Ivies permitted grad students, we'd be getting Malone back, at minimum.
May be a bit of a throwback to ten years ago with lots of scrappy guys crashing the net-Ondrej, Jack O'Leary. Look for Donaldson and Bancroft to step up. Penney Wallace and DeSantis too. I don't know, may be ok with a more direct approach. Some of the dangling of the seniors drove me nuts.
I think we have a chance to have good offensive forwards. Underclassmen step up as the kids above them graduate and leave the prime power play spots and minutes.
Seniors:
Seger (30 points last year) excellent leadership, amazing faceoff guy
Penney (18) great improvement this season and like Seger an accurate shooter
O'Leary (17) speed, energy, and chaos
Juniors:
Psenicka (15) solid two-way player with great hands and vision
Mack (10) more speed, just needs to stay healthy
Kovich (3) granted, a defensive forward
Sophomores:
DeSantis (20) hard to believe he was just a freshman, excellent water bug to put with bigger guys
Bancroft (21) best player on the ice some nights, disappeared others; my pick to step up
Donaldson (10) certainly a work in progress but often in the right place and good movement
Wallace (8) probably the core of the defensive forwards going forward
Adding Walsh gives us three good offensive lines and a checking line. And remember too that with all those minutes leaving one or more of these guys is going to radically improve.
I think the main thing that will change is the loss of that tremendous production from the blue line. Rego will still be there, but Malinski was a force of nature and Mitchell was also a pillar of the offensive defense. I would expect there to be a drop back of the defenders. The balance will be does that give Shane more support or does it cost us more opponent's shots.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85An update of our publicly listed recruits as they near the end of their seasons:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 51 GP, 15 G, 14 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 44 GP, 13 G, 8 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 38 GP, 6 G, 18 A; playoffs: 10 GP, 1 G, 0 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 53 GP, 4 G, 34 A; playoffs: 4 GP, 0 G, 1 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 52 GP, 24 G, 20 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — 28 GP, 5 G, 4 A
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Omaha Lancers, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Omaha: 16 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 56 GP, 28 G, 44 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA (may be injured; no new stats since Jan.)
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 50 GP, 29 G, 43 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 47 GP, 20 G, 24 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 42 GP, 5 G, 6 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln/Fargo, USHL (19) — 38 GP, 1 G, 3 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 57 GP, 3 G, 22 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 55 GP, 8 G, 5 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 43 GP, 3 G, 13 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 58 GP, 3 G, 38 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 50 GP, 4 G, 13 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 51 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Aiden Long, F, Whitecourt, AJHL (18) — 50 GP, 19 G, 27 A; playoffs: 9 GP, 2 G, 5 A
Of the forwards likely coming in next year, Walsh's stats are the only ones that pop, as he is the second leading scorer in the USHL behind only Macklin Celebrini, the 16-year old wunderkind who's going to BU next year and is projected as the top pick in the 2024 NHL draft. Hopefully he can be productive out of the gate next year. Defensemen Robertson and Fegaras are the most likely guys to add some of the offensive pop from the blue line we've lost with Malinski and Mitchell graduating.
Cornell is clearly going to be lacking productive forwards next season unless it can someone pull someone out of the transfer portal. This is unlikely to occur due to Ivy rules about grad transfers as well as the lack of scholarships (someone transferring to Cornell would need to give up their scholarship). If Ivies permitted grad students, we'd be getting Malone back, at minimum.
This prediction gives me hope for a Cleary and a Whitelaw. Thanks.
We have a lot of senior talent to replace, but the strength of this team was that we had four strong lines. That bodes well for the future.
Quote from: scoop85An update of our publicly listed recruits as they near the end of their seasons:
- Jacob Kraft, C, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 51 GP, 15 G, 14 A
- Connor Arsenault, C, St. Andrews, CA Prep (17) — 44 GP, 13 G, 8 A
- Nick Wolfenberg, D, Okotoks, AJHL (19) — 38 GP, 6 G, 18 A; playoffs: 10 GP, 1 G, 0 A
- Hoyt Stanley, D, Victoria, BCHL (18) — 53 GP, 4 G, 34 A; playoffs: 4 GP, 0 G, 1 A
- Michael Sandruck, F, Bishop Kearney, US Prep (17) — 52 GP, 24 G, 20 A
- Hudson Gorski, D, Salisbury Prep, US Prep (18) — 28 GP, 5 G, 4 A
- Donovan Hamilton, D, Nichols Prep, US Prep & Omaha Lancers, USHL (18) — Nichols: 21 GP, 3 G, 5 A; Omaha: 16 GP, 0 G, 0 A
- Ryan Walsh, F, Cedar Rapids, USHL (20) — 56 GP, 28 G, 44 A
- Justin Katz, G, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 20 GP, 12 W, 5 L, .892 save pct., 3.44 GAA (may be injured; no new stats since Jan.)
- Jonathan Costagna, C, St. Andrews Prep, CA Prep (18) — 50 GP, 29 G, 43 A
- Chase Pirtle, F, Mt. St. Charles, US Prep (18) — 47 GP, 20 G, 24 A
- Charlie Major, F, Chicago, USHL (19) — 42 GP, 5 G, 6 A
- Marian Mosko, D, Lincoln/Fargo, USHL (19) — 38 GP, 1 G, 3 A
- George Fegaras, Muskegon, USHL (19) — 57 GP, 3 G, 22 A
- Tyler Catalano, C, Youngstown, USHL (19) — 55 GP, 8 G, 5 A
- Liam Steel, D, Chilliwack/Silver Arm, BCHL (19)— 43 GP, 3 G, 13 A
- Ben Roberton, D, Waterloo, USHL (19) — 58 GP, 3 G, 38 A
- Ty Wishart, F, Nanaimo, BCHL (19) — 50 GP, 4 G, 13 A
- Luke Devlin, C, West Kelowna, BCHL (19) — 51 GP, 11 G, 26 A
- Aiden Long, F, Whitecourt, AJHL (18) — 50 GP, 19 G, 27 A; playoffs: 9 GP, 2 G, 5 A
Of the forwards likely coming in next year, Walsh's stats are the only ones that pop, as he is the second leading scorer in the USHL behind only Macklin Celebrini, the 16-year old wunderkind who's going to BU next year and is projected as the top pick in the 2024 NHL draft. Hopefully he can be productive out of the gate next year. Defensemen Robertson and Fegaras are the most likely guys to add some of the offensive pop from the blue line we've lost with Malinski and Mitchell graduating.
Interesting to see four kids from northeastern prep schools, that's more than I'd have thought.
Pirtle is playing at mt. St. Charles which is an absolute powerhouse. perennial favorite to win in RI and even won the u18 national championship in 2022
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This prediction gives me hope for a Cleary and a Whitelaw. Thanks.[/quoteProblem with speed-reading is, I read Whiteclaw.
Quote from: TrotskyThe hell are the Yale Jr. Bulldogs 18U AAA and how do we get one of those?
My son played for them a couple of years ago when he was at Gunnery. Split season team for New England prep school kids. (Usually better than you'd think given the name)
Quote from: Scersk '97Just noticed Ryan St. Louis, Martin's son, transferred to Brown, after a sojourn back in the USHL this last year, from Northeastern. Watch out for Bruno next year!
He's a good player, my son played with him a bit (dad was the coach, and super nice guy). But the numbers at Northeastern are what they are, I think he had every opportunity there. Wish him the best at Brown (other than 2x a year).
Quote from: RatushnyFanQuote from: Scersk '97Just noticed Ryan St. Louis, Martin's son, transferred to Brown, after a sojourn back in the USHL this last year, from Northeastern. Watch out for Bruno next year!
He's a good player, my son played with him a bit (dad was the coach, and super nice guy). But the numbers at Northeastern are what they are, I think he had every opportunity there. Wish him the best at Brown (other than 2x a year).
I don't know. I just looked him up, and he looked like he had good numbers with the NTDP out in Ann Arbor. Perhaps Northeastern wasn't using him right. I mean, the Midgets would've been nothing without J.C. Ruid to play defense and clean up their garbage. Not every tiny guy is a defensive whirlwind like Jack O'Leary.
We shall see, I suppose. I'll be interested to see what Whittet gets out of him. Brown's general torpor notwithstanding, he's had some good small forwards in years past that have put up some numbers.
Cornell had an impressive 5 recruits listed on NHL's final Central Scouring rankings - Hoyt Stanley (#85), Jonathan Castagna (91), Chase Pirtle (189), Ben Robertson (193), & Nick Wolfenberg (212).
What's the historical cutoff for actually getting drafted? 150th or so? I realize as you get up in the numbers it becomes wildly unpredictable.
Stanley and Castagna are likely to be drafted, the others more of a Longshot. But great to see all of them make the cut.
New nickname Stanley Cup just dropped
Quote from: DuncNew nickname Stanley Cup just dropped
Just call him "Lord"
Quote from: CASCornell had an impressive 5 recruits listed on NHL's final Central Scouring rankings - Hoyt Stanley (#85), Jonathan Castagna (91), Chase Pirtle (189), Ben Robertson (193), & Nick Wolfenberg (212).
I feel the same way every year:
- I have no idea from the stats how good the players will actually be at Cornell
- Harvard will have more draft picks than Cornell and so will Quinnipiac (and virtually every Hockey East and B1G and NCHC team)
- Mike (It's The System) Schafer will probably get more from the players he brings in versus their stats or draft rank
Bring on UMD. Which if you google UMD sports, you wind up with stuff on Maryland.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CASCornell had an impressive 5 recruits listed on NHL's final Central Scouring rankings - Hoyt Stanley (#85), Jonathan Castagna (91), Chase Pirtle (189), Ben Robertson (193), & Nick Wolfenberg (212).
I feel the same way every year:
- I have no idea from the stats how good the players will actually be at Cornell
- Harvard will have more draft picks than Cornell and so will Quinnipiac (and virtually every Hockey East and B1G and NCHC team)
- Mike (It's The System) Schafer will probably get more from the players he brings in versus their stats or draft rank
Bring on UMD. Which if you google UMD sports, you wind up with stuff on Maryland.
Quinnipiac wont have more draft picks than Cornell. They'll have more transfers and fifth-year players though.
Quote from: billhowardif you google UMD sports, you wind up with stuff on Maryland.
If you google Cornell, you get Chris.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardif you google UMD sports, you wind up with stuff on Maryland.
If you google Cornell, you get Chris.
I always liked Lydia Cornell.
Ryan Walsh was just named to the USHL first team
Chris Heisenberg just switched his college commitment list from 2023 over to 2024. I'm not sure how accurate he is with the year that recruits will enter school but if his 2024 list is accurate for Cornell then it looks like the roster will be short on numbers next season. He has Jacob Kraft(F), Ryan Walsh(F), Luke Devlin(F), George Fegaras(D) and Ben Robertson(D)coming this fall. All other commits are scheduled to come to Ithaca in 2024, 2025 or even 2026. I assume he is not aware of some others who may be arriving this fall. Liam Steele(D), Nick Wolfenberg(D)and Charlie Major(F)were originally listed as enrolling this fall according to Heisenberg's 2023 list but now they are shown as coming in the fall of '24 on his new list. If I've counted correctly I believe that leaves CU with just one spare forward and two extra defensemen. That obviously won't work. Either the Heisenberg list is not accurate or possibly Cornell could be looking to get someone through the transfer portal. I know that some schools are very dependent on the portal (Q with 5 newcomers coming in and Clarkson with 4) to restock their roster but Cornell doesn't seem to do business that way. I prefer that but noticed there are some pretty nice players listed on the portal that I would love to see in Carnellian and white!
Quote from: Redpucks1!Chris Heisenberg just switched his college commitment list from 2023 over to 2024. I'm not sure how accurate he is with the year that recruits will enter school but if his 2024 list is accurate for Cornell then it looks like the roster will be short on numbers next season. He has Jacob Kraft(F), Ryan Walsh(F), Luke Devlin(F), George Fegaras(D) and Ben Robertson(D)coming this fall. All other commits are scheduled to come to Ithaca in 2024, 2025 or even 2026. I assume he is not aware of some others who may be arriving this fall. Liam Steele(D), Nick Wolfenberg(D)and Charlie Major(F)were originally listed as enrolling this fall according to Heisenberg's 2023 list but now they are shown as coming in the fall of '24 on his new list. If I've counted correctly I believe that leaves CU with just one spare forward and two extra defensemen. That obviously won't work. Either the Heisenberg list is not accurate or possibly Cornell could be looking to get someone through the transfer portal. I know that some schools are very dependent on the portal (Q with 5 newcomers coming in and Clarkson with 4) to restock their roster but Cornell doesn't seem to do business that way. I prefer that but noticed there are some pretty nice players listed on the portal that I would love to see in Carnellian and white!
I can't comment about Cornell specifically. Heisenberg is not perfect, but significantly more accurate than other sources which I know about as to arrival year. Things are more unstable than they used to be because of the portal.
Thanks Ursus.
Is the portal here to stay or is this just a blip due to the pandemic?
I check Heisenberg daily and also College Hockey Inc's commitment site. Are there other college hockey recruit websites out there worth monitoring?
For those curious but lazy, like me:
College Commitments. (https://collegehockeyinc.com/commitments.php)
Heisenberg. No not that one. Or that one. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w4Zo5azvRWMiuN4Puxj5aRRhwOGmt-DENEsRapKxmfI/edit)
Note: these could both be wrong, as they are not getting through my firewall.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: Redpucks1!Chris Heisenberg just switched his college commitment list from 2023 over to 2024. I'm not sure how accurate he is with the year that recruits will enter school but if his 2024 list is accurate for Cornell then it looks like the roster will be short on numbers next season. He has Jacob Kraft(F), Ryan Walsh(F), Luke Devlin(F), George Fegaras(D) and Ben Robertson(D)coming this fall. All other commits are scheduled to come to Ithaca in 2024, 2025 or even 2026. I assume he is not aware of some others who may be arriving this fall. Liam Steele(D), Nick Wolfenberg(D)and Charlie Major(F)were originally listed as enrolling this fall according to Heisenberg's 2023 list but now they are shown as coming in the fall of '24 on his new list. If I've counted correctly I believe that leaves CU with just one spare forward and two extra defensemen. That obviously won't work. Either the Heisenberg list is not accurate or possibly Cornell could be looking to get someone through the transfer portal. I know that some schools are very dependent on the portal (Q with 5 newcomers coming in and Clarkson with 4) to restock their roster but Cornell doesn't seem to do business that way. I prefer that but noticed there are some pretty nice players listed on the portal that I would love to see in Carnellian and white!
I can't comment specifically about Cornell specifically. Heisenberg is not perfect, but significantly more accurate than other sources which I know about as to arrival year. Things are more unstable than they used to be because of the portal.
Do you know how Heisenberg determines arrival year? I would assume he just looks at whether a player is committed to a junior program for the following season and, if not, marks them down as matriculating at college next fall. But not all of this is public information, so I'm not sure he can make a determination as to each player via the above process.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: Redpucks1!Chris Heisenberg just switched his college commitment list from 2023 over to 2024. I'm not sure how accurate he is with the year that recruits will enter school but if his 2024 list is accurate for Cornell then it looks like the roster will be short on numbers next season. He has Jacob Kraft(F), Ryan Walsh(F), Luke Devlin(F), George Fegaras(D) and Ben Robertson(D)coming this fall. All other commits are scheduled to come to Ithaca in 2024, 2025 or even 2026. I assume he is not aware of some others who may be arriving this fall. Liam Steele(D), Nick Wolfenberg(D)and Charlie Major(F)were originally listed as enrolling this fall according to Heisenberg's 2023 list but now they are shown as coming in the fall of '24 on his new list. If I've counted correctly I believe that leaves CU with just one spare forward and two extra defensemen. That obviously won't work. Either the Heisenberg list is not accurate or possibly Cornell could be looking to get someone through the transfer portal. I know that some schools are very dependent on the portal (Q with 5 newcomers coming in and Clarkson with 4) to restock their roster but Cornell doesn't seem to do business that way. I prefer that but noticed there are some pretty nice players listed on the portal that I would love to see in Carnellian and white!
I can't comment specifically about Cornell specifically. Heisenberg is not perfect, but significantly more accurate than other sources which I know about as to arrival year. Things are more unstable than they used to be because of the portal.
Do you know how Heisenberg determines arrival year? I would assume he just looks at whether a player is committed to a junior program for the following season and, if not, marks them down as matriculating at college next fall. But not all of this is public information, so I'm not sure he can make a determination as to each player via the above process.
I don't know, but I suspect that it is mainly by his birthdate. Sometimes he gets inside information. No one has written it yet: He follows his grandfather and uses The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.:-D
Quote from: Redpucks1!I can't comment specifically about Cornell specifically. Heisenberg is not perfect, but significantly more accurate than other sources which I know about as to arrival year. Things are more unstable than they used to be because of the portal.
According to Heisenberg, there's always inherent uncertainty.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: Redpucks1!I can't comment specifically about Cornell specifically. Heisenberg is not perfect, but significantly more accurate than other sources which I know about as to arrival year. Things are more unstable than they used to be because of the portal.
According to Heisenberg, there's always inherent uncertainty.
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Well, the more certain he is about the player's stats, the less certain he is about their arrival year.
Scott Wheeler of the Athletic, who is IMO a terrific talent evaluator, listed Hoyt Stanley as number 98 in Wheeler's top 100 for the 2023 NHL draft. Here's Wheeler's summary of Stanley:
Stanley, a Cornell commit, was the best under-18 defenceman in the BCHL this season to earn a spot on the league's All-Rookie Team after missing most of last season with a concussion. He's a long, mobile, pro-sized right-shot defenseman with impressive skating technique, an ability to handle and maneuver with the puck on his stick, and a better shot than his four goals this season indicate. He's still a little raw in some areas but I expect him to blossom into a standout college defenseman as an upperclassman. He projects as a two-way puck transporter and I see legitimate NHL potential.
Pretty quiet around these parts. The NHL draft begins June 28 and Cornell has six players who could realistically be drafted. The only one who is highly likely to be taken is Hoyt Stanley. Jonathan Castagna is the next-most likely. After him, there's Chase Pirtle, Ben Robertson, Nicholas Wolfenberg, and Ryan Walsh who could conceivably be drafted, probably in that order of likelihood. Stanley, Robertson, Walsh, and probably Wolfenberg will be here next fall. Pirtle and Castagna have not played junior hockey yet. However, if Cornell is short forwards (and it looks like they are), then they'll need to bring someone in early. Cornell could pick Castagna or Pirtle, or a recruit with junior hockey experience who isn't considered as big of a prospect.
Thank you for that wrap-up, Bear.
Today Scott Wheeler posted his top ranked NHL draft prospects just outside his top 100 list. Jonathan Castagna was the second player listed. Here's Wheeler's analysis:
St. Andrew's College, or SAC, has become a bit of a non-traditional factory, now regularly producing one to two prospects who garner NHL interest without playing major junior or even Jr. A. I actually prefer Castagna, who was ranked one spot back of his teammate Francesco Dell'Elce by NHL Central Scouting (they were 90th and 91st among North American skaters, though the expectation is that the lower-ranked will actually be picked higher per those I've talked to). Castagna is a tremendous athlete, the kind of player who excels in on-and-off-ice testing and does it in a pro frame. His game is defined by his skating (acceleration and top gear), his versatility, and his drive. I saw him consistently play to the middle of the ice in my viewings. And while he's not a natural finisher, there's a belief that he's very early in his development on the ice even if he's ahead of the curve off of it. There are some who believe he's a mid-round guy but I'd be more comfortable with a late-round play. He's committed to Cornell for the fall and will bypass playing a year of junior like most prep school products do before going to college. By all accounts, he was a special kid at SAC, where he excelled in the classroom, on the lacrosse field and also in theatre per coach.
Of particular interest is Wheeler reporting that Castagna will be coming to Cornell this fall straight from SAC, and foregoing juniors. Another guy who did that who turned out to be pretty good was Morgan Barron (well in truth Barron did play 5 games in the USHL in the 2016-17 season, going pointless in those games, but you get the gist).
EDIT: Elite Prospects shows Castagna playing next season for Pecticton of the BCHL. But if we're in fact thin at forward next year perhaps its been decided that Castagna is going to come in the fall. We may have to wait until the incoming recruit announcement is posted by Cornell Athletics before we know for sure.
Quote from: scoop85Of particular interest is Wheeler reporting that Castagna will be coming to Cornell this fall straight from SAC, and foregoing juniors. Another guy who did that who turned out to be pretty good was Morgan Barron (well in truth Barron did play 5 games in the USHL in the 2016-17 season, going pointless in those games, but you get the gist).
Another guy who did that was Justin Ertel...
The Athletic's Corey Pronman released his mock 7 round NHL draft. He has Hoyt Stanley and Jonathan Castagna going in the 3rd round, and Chase Pirtle in the 7th round. Stanley and Castagna have both really risen up the draft boards of late, and it will be interesting to see where they actually are drafted.
While we aren't getting the blue chippers necessarily, we're still recruiting at a pretty solid level. This year's class appears to be on paper at least the equal of any other team in the ECAC. And while Ryan Walsh likely won't be drafted, based on his stellar season in the USHL he may well turn out to be the most impactful recruit in the class.
Harvard has a solid class as always, but doesn't look like any Coronato level recruits this year.
Quote from: scoop85Today Scott Wheeler posted his top ranked NHL draft prospects just outside his top 100 list. Jonathan Castagna was the second player listed. Here's Wheeler's analysis:
St. Andrew's College, or SAC, has become a bit of a non-traditional factory, now regularly producing one to two prospects who garner NHL interest without playing major junior or even Jr. A. I actually prefer Castagna, who was ranked one spot back of his teammate Francesco Dell'Elce by NHL Central Scouting (they were 90th and 91st among North American skaters, though the expectation is that the lower-ranked will actually be picked higher per those I've talked to). Castagna is a tremendous athlete, the kind of player who excels in on-and-off-ice testing and does it in a pro frame. His game is defined by his skating (acceleration and top gear), his versatility, and his drive. I saw him consistently play to the middle of the ice in my viewings. And while he's not a natural finisher, there's a belief that he's very early in his development on the ice even if he's ahead of the curve off of it. There are some who believe he's a mid-round guy but I'd be more comfortable with a late-round play. He's committed to Cornell for the fall and will bypass playing a year of junior like most prep school products do before going to college. By all accounts, he was a special kid at SAC, where he excelled in the classroom, on the lacrosse field and also in theatre per coach.
Of particular interest is Wheeler reporting that Castagna will be coming to Cornell this fall straight from SAC, and foregoing juniors. Another guy who did that who turned out to be pretty good was Morgan Barron (well in truth Barron did play 5 games in the USHL in the 2016-17 season, going pointless in those games, but you get the gist).
EDIT: Elite Prospects shows Castagna playing next season for Pecticton of the BCHL. But if we're in fact thin at forward next year perhaps its been decided that Castagna is going to come in the fall. We may have to wait until the incoming recruit announcement is posted by Cornell Athletics before we know for sure.
The official announcement is here, and Castagna is on the list: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2023/6/28/mens-ice-hockey-incoming-class-of-2027-release.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1ktST88MdvgqOMB9GG4D_phQ_0ZX4fhxQ7AdYVucKoA4P_Xyh5blgQL88
Looks like quite a class
Quote from: CU2007Looks like quite a class
Definitely talented. Fegaras and Devlin have already been drafted, with Stanley highly likely to be drafted tomorrow and Castagna also likely to be drafted. (Pirtle, Robertson, Wolfenberg, and Walsh also have a shot to be taken, with Pirtle the most likely, then Robertson, although I don't think any are likely.) So that makes likely four, and possibly more, drafted freshmen next year, which sounds more like Harvard than Cornell. As scoop85 said, the best of them may not be a drafted player but rather Walsh, who was second in the USHL in scoring.
Still, this will be a rebuilding process. We might win a lot of games in the ECAC because there are so many bad teams in the league, but we are not going to be a great team overnight. Quinnipiac and many other programs are able to reload immediately with transfers and grad students, but we do not have that privilege. I think it will be a year or two before we're really good.
Five defensemen coming in typically would indicate lots of breakdowns, in the first half of the season at least. Our D-men have been very aggressive lately. It will be interesting to see if Mike continues that, despite the obvious risks.
Ages of the players on 11/1/23:
20: Kraft, Walsh
19: Catalano, Devlin, Fegaras, Mosko, Robertson, Steele
18: Castagna, Stanley
Quote from: TrotskyFive defensemen coming in typically would indicate lots of breakdowns, in the first half of the season at least. Our D-men have been very aggressive lately. It will be interesting to see if Mike continues that, despite the obvious risks.
While our D corps will be young, this might be the most talented overall group of defensemen we've seen at Cornell in the Schafer Era. Yes, we'll probably have some struggles early on, but by the spring semester we could be really good on the blue line.
Castagna taken by the coyotes with the 6th pick of the 3rd round
Quote from: chimpfoodCastagna taken by the coyotes with the 6th pick of the 3rd round
Talk about a fast riser up the draft boards. A month ago he was being projected as a late round pick.
Hoyt Stanley is likely to be going in the 3rd or 4th round.
Stanley to Ottawa with the 12th pick in the 4th round
With Castagna and Stanley off the board, now the question is whether any of the other Cornell recruits (Pirtle, Robertson, Wolfenberg, Walsh) get taken. Though each is individually unlikely to get picked, collectively there's a decent shot at least one does.
Ryan Walsh to Boston with the 28th pick of the 6th round
Harvard had only 1 recruit drafted, Sean Keohane, in the 6th round. Here's a complete list of NCAA draftees (https://www.uscho.com/ncaa-players-2023-nhl-draft/)
Cornell will have five incoming freshmen who have been drafted (two in the 3rd round, one in
the 4th, & 2 in the 6th).
When is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?
Quote from: BearLoverWhen is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?
Never.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhen is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?
Never.
I see from tbrw.info that it used to be far more common for players to be drafted after their freshman season rather than prior to matriculating. In 1989, we actually had six players in the entering class who were drafted—but five of them weren't drafted until their freshman season ended. (Same in 1990, though three of those were "supplemental" draft picks, whatever that means.)
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverWhen is the last time Cornell had five entering freshmen who were drafted?
Never.
I see from tbrw.info that it used to be far more common for players to be drafted after their freshman season rather than prior to matriculating. In 1989, we actually had six players in the entering class who were drafted—but five of them weren't drafted until their freshman season ended. (Same in 1990, though three of those were "supplemental" draft picks, whatever that means.)
Like I said. :-)
From the Boston Globe about Bruins pick Ryan Walsh:
Round 6 Pick 188
Ryan Walsh C Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)
The Cornell commit who set a franchise record in points (79) in 61 games with the RoughRiders. Along with 30 goals and 49 assists, the 19-year-old had a +21 this past season. The Rochester NY native also has an intriguing frame at 6-foot-1 and 181 pounds.
Round 6 Pick 188 C Ryan Walsh
Boston didn't deviate from their draft strategy in the sixth round, selecting center Ryan Walsh out of the USHL.
The Rochester, New York, native is a 6-foot-1, right-shot forward who set a new team record with the Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL) with 79 points (30 goals, 49 assists) over 61 games this past year.
Walsh, who turns 20 on August 25, went undrafted over the previous two years. But he ranked second in the USHL in scoring behind only Chicago Steel F Macklin Celebrini — who is projected to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.
Walsh will play for Cornell this fall.
"Little longer trajectory there," Sweeney said of Walsh. "The area guys really feel strongly about his path. He's going to go to Cornell next year, and probably as a young player, make an impact there."
Quote from: 617BigRedFrom the Boston Globe about Bruins pick Ryan Walsh:
Round 6 Pick 188
Ryan Walsh C Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)
The Cornell commit who set a franchise record in points (79) in 61 games with the RoughRiders. Along with 30 goals and 49 assists, the 19-year-old had a +21 this past season. The Rochester NY native also has an intriguing frame at 6-foot-1 and 181 pounds.
Round 6 Pick 188 C Ryan Walsh
Boston didn't deviate from their draft strategy in the sixth round, selecting center Ryan Walsh out of the USHL.
The Rochester, New York, native is a 6-foot-1, right-shot forward who set a new team record with the Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL) with 79 points (30 goals, 49 assists) over 61 games this past year.
Walsh, who turns 20 on August 25, went undrafted over the previous two years. But he ranked second in the USHL in scoring behind only Chicago Steel F Macklin Celebrini — who is projected to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.
Walsh will play for Cornell this fall.
"Little longer trajectory there," Sweeney said of Walsh. "The area guys really feel strongly about his path. He's going to go to Cornell next year, and probably as a young player, make an impact there."
Walsh is an interesting case. He didn't play junior hockey until this year and was a Brown commit a year ago. Then he exploded in his first year of the USHL, putting up the second most points in the entire league. Despite this, no NHL draft scouting service had him ranked. On the one hand it seemed crazy that the second-leading scorer in the hardest junior league could go undrafted. But on the other hand, it is rare for a player to be passed on twice in the draft and then taken his third year of eligibility. It seemed there would be a higher chance of Pirtle or Robertson getting drafted. Pirtle hasn't played junior hockey yet but has been highly regarded for awhile now. Robertson has had a very good USHL career and is a puck-moving defenseman, something everybody wants these days. But at the end of the day it was Walsh who got picked.
Don't care how many nice things Sweeney says about one of our guys, he still Sucks.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: 617BigRedFrom the Boston Globe about Bruins pick Ryan Walsh:
Round 6 Pick 188
Ryan Walsh C Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)
The Cornell commit who set a franchise record in points (79) in 61 games with the RoughRiders. Along with 30 goals and 49 assists, the 19-year-old had a +21 this past season. The Rochester NY native also has an intriguing frame at 6-foot-1 and 181 pounds.
Round 6 Pick 188 C Ryan Walsh
Boston didn't deviate from their draft strategy in the sixth round, selecting center Ryan Walsh out of the USHL.
The Rochester, New York, native is a 6-foot-1, right-shot forward who set a new team record with the Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL) with 79 points (30 goals, 49 assists) over 61 games this past year.
Walsh, who turns 20 on August 25, went undrafted over the previous two years. But he ranked second in the USHL in scoring behind only Chicago Steel F Macklin Celebrini — who is projected to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.
Walsh will play for Cornell this fall.
"Little longer trajectory there," Sweeney said of Walsh. "The area guys really feel strongly about his path. He's going to go to Cornell next year, and probably as a young player, make an impact there."
Walsh is an interesting case. He didn't play junior hockey until this year and was a Brown commit a year ago. Then he exploded in his first year of the USHL, putting up the second most points in the entire league. Despite this, no NHL draft scouting service had him ranked. On the one hand it seemed crazy that the second-leading scorer in the hardest junior league could go undrafted. But on the other hand, it is rare for a player to be passed on twice in the draft and then taken his third year of eligibility. It seemed there would be a higher chance of Pirtle or Robertson getting drafted. Pirtle hasn't played junior hockey yet but has been highly regarded for awhile now. Robertson has had a very good USHL career and is a puck-moving defenseman, something everybody wants these days. But at the end of the day it was Walsh who got picked.
I know he was an older kid, but boy did he kill it in the USHL last season.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2023/07/04/this-aurora-school-has-quietly-churned-out-several-nhl-prospects-the-hockey-world-is-taking-notice.html
Quote from: underskillhttps://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2023/07/04/this-aurora-school-has-quietly-churned-out-several-nhl-prospects-the-hockey-world-is-taking-notice.html
Four of this school's last five captains have (or will be going to) played for Cornell. That's a good pipeline for us.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: underskillhttps://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2023/07/04/this-aurora-school-has-quietly-churned-out-several-nhl-prospects-the-hockey-world-is-taking-notice.html
Four of this school's last five captains have (or will be going to) played for Cornell. That's a good pipeline for us.
And all of them were NHL draftees
Whither Aidan Cobb and Sean Mahoney? '02 Cornell commitments who have now disappeared off the radar. Cobb at least is playing hockey at Cornell -- for the club team.
Wha- happen?
Quote from: TrotskyWhither Aidan Cobb and Sean Mahoney? '02 Cornell commitments who have now disappeared off the radar. Cobb at least is playing hockey at Cornell -- for the club team.
Wha- happen?
Just speculation on my part, but I believe Mahoney struggled with injuries, and Cobb never seemed to develop his game after leaving the prep school ranks.
Michael Sandruck (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/679693/michael-sandruck). I missed this guy. He announced his commitment in Instagram.
Listed at 6'1" and 205 lbs he should give the forwards good size.
Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
Love your optimism. Which too often is followed by soul-crushing setbacks. I saw my HS team lose the NYS sectional semifinals on a buzzer shot from midcourt. Within 5 years I saw Cornell leading Wisconsin in the NCAA semifinals 5-2 start of the third and lose in OT. And got to see the lax title game vs. Syracuse just a decade ago. I'm not sure I even believe in pragmatic optimism any more. Okay, I thought the basketball team had the chance to lead Kentucky in the early going and it was 12-6 early, then the pragmatic part kicked in.
But thank you.
Quote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
This story (https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/junior-hockey/practice-got-william-moore-to-carnegie-hall-and-to-the-top-of-the-ohl-draft/article_a5a71e18-eb19-5141-9383-58b4723553b0.html) says it was William Moore's grandfather who was a Cornell professor, and after some Googling it appears that it's Laurence Moore (emeritus prof. of American Studies).
I get your way of thinking Bill - I generally do the same. I remember that Wisconsin game back in the day - I think Dean Talafous was the Badger who had a big day to mount the comeback against the Red in that game. Add to the list the high stick disallowed goal against UNH in the 2003 Frozen Four. Ugh - that call was big.
Nice find Weder; thanks for passing along that article on William Moore!
Quote from: WederThis story (https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/junior-hockey/practice-got-william-moore-to-carnegie-hall-and-to-the-top-of-the-ohl-draft/article_a5a71e18-eb19-5141-9383-58b4723553b0.html) says it was William Moore's grandfather who was a Cornell professor, and after some Googling it appears that it's Laurence Moore (emeritus prof. of American Studies).
Same story also says "His mother, Vanusa, is originally from Brazil and owns two restaurants and a catering business. Moore's father, Patrick, is a Cornell-educated finance broker who grew up in Ithaca, N.Y., where his own father was a professor at Cornell."
So his dad is an alum as well...hopefully that is a strong pull for the kid. And with mom a restauranteur we can hope for a future Hotelie!
Then there's this guy:
Quote from: https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/junior-hockey/practice-got-william-moore-to-carnegie-hall-and-to-the-top-of-the-ohl-draft/article_a5a71e18-eb19-5141-9383-58b4723553b0.htmlMatthew Schaefer, D, Halton Hurricanes: Schaefer is certain to be the first defenceman taken and there are scouts who have him No. 1 on their lists. Schaefer captained Team Ontario at the Canada Winter Games, where he scored in double overtime to lead Ontario to the championship over Saskatchewan.
Might this be another top player with a Cornell connection?
Not with that spelling.
Quote from: TrotskyNot with that spelling.
His grandparents may have changed their name to get into a country club.
Quote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
Lane committed to Harvard yesterday. Harvard won the first day of recruiting (among all teams in the nation) with three very high-end commitments.
You beat me to it Bear!
Bill Howard - you are a very wise man and 100% correct with the comment "followed by soul-crushing setbacks." Yesterday may not have been soul-crushing but it was not good on the recruiting front. As Bear mentioned one of the guys, Aiden Lane, that I was hoping would commit to Cornell, has instead chosen Harvard. Oh well, his loss and poor choice, not Cornell's concern. Harvard really did well yesterday though as they cleaned up on day 1. Clarkson got a highly regarded prospect and Yale came away with two guys but I'm not sure of their potential. SLU and Dartmouth also picked up a player each as did a bunch of out of conference schools. (This is all through Chris Heisenberg's recruiting website). Not a big issue; Cornell often times isn't in on the first day kids and their are a huge number of exceptional players remaining. Still holding out hope for Cooper Dennis and William Moore!
It could be worse -- a Michigan football fan in the Bo Schembechler era. And memorialized in Big Chill.
Cole Tuminaro - a 6'4", 190 pound offensive defenseman out of Chicago - is Cornell's first 2007 birth year commit.
6' 4"
190
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Alex Pelletier
Avon Old Farms and Yale Jr. Bulldogs
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/723501/alex-pelletier
Quote from: ursusminorAlex Pelletier
Avon Old Farms and Yale Jr. Bulldogs
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/723501/alex-pelletier
I don't recall us ever having a recruit from AOF, which is a long-time prep power (see, e.g., Brian Leetch, Jonathan Quick, Trevor Zegras, etc.)
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ursusminorAlex Pelletier
Avon Old Farms and Yale Jr. Bulldogs
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/723501/alex-pelletier
I don't recall us ever having a recruit from AOF, which is a long-time prep power (see, e.g., Brian Leetch, Jonathan Quick, Trevor Zegras, etc.)
EDIT: dss28 reminded me recently that Todd Marr was AOF.
CHN ranks Cornell the best freshman class in the ECAC (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2023/10/02_CHNs-Top-10-Recruiting-Classes.php) and #10 nationally.
QuoteThe Big Red has a class that rivals Denver in terms of its top-to-bottom depth, which is impressive with a class of 11 new players.
Jonathan Castagna is one of the top scorers in the class. He had 72 points in 50 games for St. Andrew's College last season and was selected in the third round by Arizona. College hockey is a big jump from Canadian prep hockey, though, so it could take him time to acclimate, and some of the less-heralded forwards could emerge earlier. For example, Boston Bruins pick Ryan Walsh had 79 points for Cedar Rapids (USHL) last season.
Ottawa pick Hoyt Stanley leads the group of new defensemen along with Dallas pick George Fegaras.
Tyler Wishart was traded from Nanaimo to the Merritt Centennials. Currently on IR but expected to debut for them next month.
Justin Katz doesn't appear to be on any roster right now. I wonder what's up with him.
Never mind. He is on the West Kelowna roster now.
Quote from: scoop85Justin Katz doesn't appear to be on any roster right now. I wonder what's up with him.
Never mind. He is on the West Kelowna roster now.
He's a Fall '24 entry now.
Quote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
https://x.com/puckpreps/status/1718675828928635194?s=46
Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they're literally from Ithaca.
BearLover, have you watched Cornell's frosh this year? (which includes two 3rd-round picks among 5 NHL selections).
Quote from: CASBearLover, have you watched Cornell's frosh this year? (which includes two 3rd-round picks among 5 NHL selections).
Yes, they look great so far—been praising them in other threads. But they are not blue-chippers and they were not receiving anywhere near the hype of the three players Redpucks mentioned. Cornell evidently cannot, or chooses not to, compete for the USNTDP kids or similar.
I can understand the desire to get outta dodge and not go to college in your hometown.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: CASBearLover, have you watched Cornell's frosh this year? (which includes two 3rd-round picks among 5 NHL selections).
Yes, they look great so far—been praising them in other threads. But they are not blue-chippers and they were not receiving anywhere near the hype of the three players Redpucks mentioned. Cornell evidently cannot, or chooses not to, compete for the USNTDP kids or similar.
The majority -- likely the vast majority -- of blue chippers have neither the ability nor desire to deal with Cornell's academic rigor, even when it is "Cornell."
Harvard is the only Ivy that regularly lands round 1 or 2 draft picks, and Harvard has advantages we lack (Boston, a 24/7 sloppy BJ by sports media, a casually non-judgmental attitude towards cheating).
Given that Cornell has
never gotten blue chippahs, even in the days when Ned Harkness was recruiting like Peter Brand with speeddial, it may not be fruitful to imagine we could somehow start doing so.
Also, we have attracted USNTDP players:
Iles, Gartman, Bardreau, Fiegl, Bliss, and the mercurial Clint Lewis.
Iles, the Ithaca native....
Quote from: TrotskyAlso, we have attracted USNTDP players:
Iles, Gartman, Bardreau, Fiegl, Bliss, and the mercurial Clint Lewis.
Yes. The last USNTDP player matriculated almost ten years ago.
To be clear, the only reason I would have hoped we'd be competitive for this player is the fact he grew up in Ithaca and surely attended Cornell hockey games as a kid. The fact we couldn't get him despite being one of the top 5-10 programs in the country past few years suggests we aren't remotely competitive for these kinds of players. I think the academic rigor thing is kind of BS, BTW—getting a 3.0 in AEM isn't that hard when half the team is taking the same class.
Quote from: BearLoverI think the academic rigor thing is kind of BS, BTW—getting a 3.0 in AEM isn't that hard when half the team is taking the same class.
You have to show up for class and remain conscious. For a lot of those guys, that is too tough an ask.
you still have to be able to get into the school.. tons of kids we have wanted cant get accepted and end up elsewhere
I assume it's more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they're admitted.
we dont lose many kids once they are into the school. lots of help with that keeping the kid afloat
Quote from: underskillI assume it's more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they're admitted.
Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.
*
Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
https://x.com/puckpreps/status/1718675828928635194?s=46
Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they're literally from Ithaca.
I like Ithaca.
If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.
Quote from: Redpucks1!2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
Looks like his grandfather was a Cornell professor and his father is an alum:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/junior-hockey/practice-got-william-moore-to-carnegie-hall-and-to-the-top-of-the-ohl-draft/article_a5a71e18-eb19-5141-9383-58b4723553b0.amp.html
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: underskillI assume it's more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they're admitted.
Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.
* Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.
Hard to imagine Moore couldn't get into Cornell. Besides being a top hockey prospect, he won the "Little Mozarts International Competition" and played Chopin at Carnegie Hall. With Grandpa a Cornell Prof & dad a Cornellian & finance broker, it's highly unlikely that he doesn't have the academic chops to cut it at Cornell [cite recent New York Times article about correlation between family income & SAT scores].
More likely Moore's reasons for choosing Michigan include:
- Athletic scholarship vs full-tuition at Cornell because his "need" is zero.
- Ann Arbor is further from home
- A college that combines reasonably good education and outstanding infrastructure for professional athletics is more attractive than one that combines outstanding education with reasonably good infrastructure for collegiate athletics, especially for a player who's confident of playing pro hockey.
- USNTDP is based in Ann Arbor, and therefore he's been extra heavily recruited by Michigan, and several of his teammate friends are going there.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: underskillI assume it's more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they're admitted.
Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.
* Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.
Hard to imagine Moore couldn't get into Cornell. Besides being a top hockey prospect, he won the "Little Mozarts International Competition" and played Chopin at Carnegie Hall. With Grandpa a Cornell Prof & dad a Cornellian & finance broker, it's highly unlikely that he doesn't have the academic chops to cut it at Cornell [cite recent New York Times article about correlation between family income & SAT scores].
More likely Moore's reasons for choosing Michigan include:
- Athletic scholarship vs full-tuition at Cornell because his "need" is zero.
- Ann Arbor is further from home
- A college that combines reasonably good education and outstanding infrastructure for professional athletics is more attractive than one that combines outstanding education with reasonably good infrastructure for collegiate athletics, especially for a player who's confident of playing pro hockey.
- USNTDP is based in Ann Arbor, and therefore he's been extra heavily recruited by Michigan, and several of his teammate friends are going there.
While perhaps not quite at Cornell's level academically, a Michigan undergraduate education is more than "reasonably good."
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: underskillI assume it's more admission issues as opposed to academic issues once they're admitted.
Perhaps they don't have academic issues because Day Hall maintains standards*.
* Unless you can afford tutors to physically carry you into and through the school and on to your reserved chair at their firm.
Hard to imagine Moore couldn't get into Cornell. Besides being a top hockey prospect, he won the "Little Mozarts International Competition" and played Chopin at Carnegie Hall. With Grandpa a Cornell Prof & dad a Cornellian & finance broker, it's highly unlikely that he doesn't have the academic chops to cut it at Cornell [cite recent New York Times article about correlation between family income & SAT scores].
More likely Moore's reasons for choosing Michigan include:
- Athletic scholarship vs full-tuition at Cornell because his "need" is zero.
- Ann Arbor is further from home
- A college that combines reasonably good education and outstanding infrastructure for professional athletics is more attractive than one that combines outstanding education with reasonably good infrastructure for collegiate athletics, especially for a player who's confident of playing pro hockey.
- USNTDP is based in Ann Arbor, and therefore he's been extra heavily recruited by Michigan, and several of his teammate friends are going there.
Cooper Dennis, rather than William Moore, committed to Michigan. Moore is still to my knowledge uncommitted. Both were born in Ithaca. Moore has the family connection to Cornell. Dennis appears to have spent his entire youth in Ithaca, while Moore seems to have moved to Toronto at some point.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
https://x.com/puckpreps/status/1718675828928635194?s=46
Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they're literally from Ithaca.
I like Ithaca.
If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.
Felt that way about New Haven.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
https://x.com/puckpreps/status/1718675828928635194?s=46
Sad. Cornell never gets the blue-chippers, even when they're literally from Ithaca.
I like Ithaca.
If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.
Felt that way about New Haven.
As an potential engineer I think my Mom had brainwashed me - I looked forward to going AWAY to college. I never applied to RPI. (Safety school was Lehigh.)
QuoteI like Ithaca.
If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.
I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).
Quote from: David HardingQuoteI like Ithaca.
If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.
I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).
it's less about the town than the fact that many 18 year olds want to move away from wherever they are from
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingQuoteI like Ithaca.
If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.
I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).
it's less about the town than the fact that many 18 year olds want to move away from wherever they are from
Nailed it.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingQuoteI like Ithaca.
If I grew up in Ithaca, Ithaca would be the last place I'd go to college.
I grew up in Ithaca. I like Ithaca. I attended Cornell for 10 years (12 if you count nursery school).
it's less about the town than the fact that many 18 year olds want to move away from wherever they are from
Exactly.
You could not have offered me
anything to stay in my hometown. Even 5 hours away was really pushing it as too close.
Yup. For me, it was "get me to the other side of the country."
New goalie recruit (https://x.com/roesterick/status/1721959436036784516?s=61&t=WQHyg6syxD67IvejNS7Rmw), Erick Roest from the AJHL. Given that he's 19 he would seemingly be coming next fall; wonder if this means Justin Katz is no longer Ithaca bound
Quote from: scoop85New goalie recruit (https://x.com/roesterick/status/1721959436036784516?s=61&t=WQHyg6syxD67IvejNS7Rmw), Erick Roest from the AJHL. Given that he's 19 he would seemingly be coming next fall; wonder if this means Justin Katz is no longer Ithaca bound
sounds like erick roest is the one who we got justin katz
Tough room.
Dry den.
update on Tyler Wishart - back from injury and seems to be hitting his stride - 4 points in 2 games over the weekend, primary helper on OT winner, player of the game, and now 7 pts in 8 games. Charlie Major (from Skaneatlas aka Skinny atlas) also having a solid year for the Chicago Steel w 13 points in 18 games.
Quote from: scoop85Charlie Major, a 17-year-old forward from up the road in Skaneateles, committed to the Big Red today. He's currently playing in the U-18 circuit, and has been drafted by the Chicago Steel of the USHL. (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/648840/charlie-major)
Katz still listed as a Cornell commit, so perhaps we're bringing in 2 goalies next year.
Quote from: Pghasupdate on Tyler Wishart - back from injury and seems to be hitting his stride - 4 points in 2 games over the weekend, primary helper on OT winner, player of the game, and now 7 pts in 8 games. Charlie Major (from Skaneatlas aka Skinny atlas) also having a solid year for the Chicago Steel w 13 points in 18 games.
Also worth commenting that Chase Pirtle, with 23 points in 22 games for Nanaimo, is the top scoring 2005 birth year player in the BCHL.
Quote from: Redpucks1!You beat me to it Bear!
Bill Howard - you are a very wise man and 100% correct with the comment "followed by soul-crushing setbacks." Yesterday may not have been soul-crushing but it was not good on the recruiting front. As Bear mentioned one of the guys, Aiden Lane, that I was hoping would commit to Cornell, has instead chosen Harvard. Oh well, his loss and poor choice, not Cornell's concern. Harvard really did well yesterday though as they cleaned up on day 1. Clarkson got a highly regarded prospect and Yale came away with two guys but I'm not sure of their potential. SLU and Dartmouth also picked up a player each as did a bunch of out of conference schools. (This is all through Chris Heisenberg's recruiting website). Not a big issue; Cornell often times isn't in on the first day kids and their are a huge number of exceptional players remaining. Still holding out hope for Cooper Dennis and William Moore!
With Lane committing to Harvard and Dennis to Michigan, that leaves Moore, who still isn't committed anywhere. Which is interesting, because NeutralZone.com ranks him as the #1 prospect among all North American 2007-born players. I'll go out on a limb and predict he will not be coming to Cornell...
BTW, does anyone have a subscription to Neutral Zone? They apparently rank the top 575 or so North American players by birth year. I'd be curious to see where our recruits fall on the list.
Quote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
Quote from: Redpucks1!Quote from: Redpucks1!Tomorrow is a big day on the college hockey recruiting calendar - 8/1 is the first day that '07 birth years can commit. (First day they could be contacted by schools was 1/1/23). I have no inside connection to Cornell Hockey, just a fan, but I'm really hoping they are in on these 3 players. In no particular order they are:
1. Cooper Dennis - Ithaca, NY!! On the small side but, who cares, the guy can score. Plays for the Bishop Kearney Selects and has lit it up at each level. Some are saying he has the best shot in his age group and have heard that he should have made the USNTDP U17's but did not.
2. William Moore - NTDP U17 team for the 2023-'24 season. Elite Prospects lists him as hailing from Mississauga, Ontario but the USA Hockey U17 roster lists him as being from Ithaca. (Not certain but think his father may be a Cornell professor so that may be the reason behind listing Ithaca as his hometown).
3. Aidan Lane - Will be playing for St. Andrew's College this season and obviously Cornell has had tremendous success recruiting there.
These players are all extremely high end and therefore it may be a long shot getting any of them since they will all be heavily recruited by the typical college hockey powers. Really tough when you have the built-in recruiting disadvantages that Cornell has; fewer games, lack of scholarships, stringent admissions standards and extremely challenging academics. CU does however seem to have a connection with these players through Ithaca or St. Andrew's College so who knows? Let's Go Red!!!
Dennis—UMich
Moore—BC
Lane—Harvard
Cornell strikes out with these elite recruits.
Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew's College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, "we're not looking for the best players, we're looking for the right ones." Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren't likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he's the best coach in the country. Can't imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.
Quote from: Redpucks1!Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew's College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, "we're not looking for the best players, we're looking for the right ones." Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren't likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he's the best coach in the country. Can't imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.
I can't disagree with any of this. But that doesn't make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don't seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he'd STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn't seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it's never gonna happen.
I agree with you 100%. I would love to see what Coach could do with some absolute stud recruits, but, as you said, it apparently isn't going to happen. Thankfully Coach Schafer is dedicated to his alma mater and didn't seek out other opportunities where he could have competed for championships on equal footing with the hockey factories. It will be a sad day when he retires.
Cornell did have 5 drafted recruits enter last fall, including two 3rd rounders. If Ben Robertson gets drafted later this month, that would give Cornell six drafted players from last year's freshmen class. We are getting very good recruits.
We are beyond fortunate to have Coach. The best. The two recruits that stuck in my craw are Dustin Brown-from Ithaca, but didn't go the college route so can't be too bothered by that and Matty Beniers a double legacy who chooses Harvard and ends up at Michigan due to COVID. That just killed me. Otoh he is from Massachusetts.
Hard to be too upset with Coach's recruiting, though we do seem to be one or two elite players away for getting past that hump. I'm bummed Cornell hasn't been able to get at least one of the last 2 Ithaca kids who've passed through the NTDP, but maybe the next one.
posted in the other thread that I am getting a sense Gio Degiulian might come next year. It's either that or one year of juniors.
I think BU, Michigan, BC and now Harvard have set themselves up as development grounds for NHL bound or NHL hopefuls. Those schools get all the USNTDP kids and most of them stay for 1-2 years and then are off to sign NHL contracts. Cornell not really looking for that. Looking for more success at the NCAA level year in and year out, looking for kids whose goal is to play great college hockey. The superstar NHL bound kids aren't really looking for that and honestly I dont think Cornell is looking for them. On the one hand there's a hump that is tough for us to get over, on the other, we are always near the top of the ECAC, always in the discussion for the tournament and make it a heckuva lot. Cornell is a choice. Its always a lot more involved than just the hockey program.
Quote from: Redpucks1!I agree with you 100%. I would love to see what Coach could do with some absolute stud recruits, but, as you said, it apparently isn't going to happen. Thankfully Coach Schafer is dedicated to his alma mater and didn't seek out other opportunities where he could have competed for championships on equal footing with the hockey factories. It will be a sad day when he retires.
kinda like what I said above, I would submit not that Schaefer could do better if Cornell drew better players. I think if Cornell jumped the shark and started acting like Ted Donato they would get those players but it's not that kind of program. I think that's really the way it should be.
Quote from: Pghasposted in the other thread that I am getting a sense Gio Degiulian might come next year. It's either that or one year of juniors.
I think BU, Michigan, BC and now Harvard have set themselves up as development grounds for NHL bound or NHL hopefuls. Those schools get all the USNTDP kids and most of them stay for 1-2 years and then are off to sign NHL contracts. Cornell not really looking for that. Looking for more success at the NCAA level year in and year out, looking for kids whose goal is to play great college hockey. The superstar NHL bound kids aren't really looking for that and honestly I dont think Cornell is looking for them. On the one hand there's a hump that is tough for us to get over, on the other, we are always near the top of the ECAC, always in the discussion for the tournament and make it a heckuva lot. Cornell is a choice. Its always a lot more involved than just the hockey program.
What Denver does so well is hit big with the 2nd-5th round type kids who turn out to be better than their draft slots. Whether that's good coaching, good luck, or a little of both, I don't know. That being said, this past year they did have both Buium brothers, with the younger Zeev likely a top-10 pick in the upcoming draft, so they do get a blue chipper every year or two.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Redpucks1!Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew's College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, "we're not looking for the best players, we're looking for the right ones." Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren't likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he's the best coach in the country. Can't imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.
I can't disagree with any of this. But that doesn't make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don't seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he'd STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn't seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it's never gonna happen.
We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Redpucks1!Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew's College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, "we're not looking for the best players, we're looking for the right ones." Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren't likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he's the best coach in the country. Can't imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.
I can't disagree with any of this. But that doesn't make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don't seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he'd STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn't seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it's never gonna happen.
We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.
Riley committed because his brother was already committed.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Redpucks1!Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew's College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, "we're not looking for the best players, we're looking for the right ones." Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren't likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he's the best coach in the country. Can't imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.
I can't disagree with any of this. But that doesn't make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don't seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he'd STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn't seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it's never gonna happen.
We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.
Riley committed because his brother was already committed.
you should start rooting for a school that gives out scholarships. i think you'd genuinely be a lot happier.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Redpucks1!Disappointing to say the least. I really thought there was a decent chance that CU would get at least one of the three with their connections to either Ithaca or St. Andrew's College.
The good news is that Cornell continues to do an incredible job of identifying players that fit their style and culture. This past years freshmen class is a prime example. As Herb Brooks said, "we're not looking for the best players, we're looking for the right ones." Cornell does exactly that knowing that the blue chippers aren't likely to come to CU. Cornell is very fortunate to have Coach Schafer - a devoted alum that has stuck around all these years. In my opinion he's the best coach in the country. Can't imagine what he would have accomplished at Michigan, Denver, BU, BC, Minnesota, UND, etc.
I can't disagree with any of this. But that doesn't make it any less incredible that we NEVER get any of these recruits. Very few programs have had more success than Cornell over the past decade, but we don't seem to be remotely competitive for these blue chippers. A recruit could have been born in Ithaca and his entire family could have gone to Cornell, and he'd STILL pick BC or Michigan. With respect to any given player, this is not surprising. But I would have thought that once in a blue moon ONE of these kids would come to Cornell. It doesn't seem THAT far-fetched, in theory. Harvard gets these kids all the time. There are examples of blue chippers ending up at random schools. Cale Makar went to UMass, who was hockey nobody at the time. And here we had the stars aligning, with amazing recent program success, blue chip kids who grew up in the area/whose families went to Cornell, and they still chose to play somewhere else. Oh well—guess it's never gonna happen.
We did get one. Riley Nash was one of those heavily recruited blue chip players.
Riley committed because his brother was already committed.
you should start rooting for a school that gives out scholarships. i think you'd genuinely be a lot happier.
I'd rather root for the school I actually attended and love
Ol' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.
Quote from: The RancorOl' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.
Different world back then, too. It wasn't as "I'm taking my talents to South Beach."
Quote from: The RancorOl' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.
Ken Dryden too. But he was planning to go to Princeton, and Ned convinced him to go to Cornell instead. And IIRC, his brother was already playing for the Chicago Black Hawks.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: The RancorOl' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.
Ken Dryden too. But he was planning to go to Princeton, and Ned convinced him to go to Cornell instead. And IIRC, his brother was already playing for the Chicago Black Hawks.
Quote from: Ken DrydenAt Princeton I'm told we'll win the ECAC's with me in net.
Quote from: Ned HarknessAt Cornell we'll win the NCAA's.
Quote from: martyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: The RancorOl' Joey Nieuwendyk comes to mind as well. Blue chip, but alas... he only won it all as a pro.
Ken Dryden too. But he was planning to go to Princeton, and Ned convinced him to go to Cornell instead. And IIRC, his brother was already playing for the Chicago Black Hawks.
Quote from: Ken DrydenAt Princeton I'm told we'll win the ECAC's with me in net.
Quote from: Ned HarknessAt Cornell we'll win the NCAA's with me resting my folded arms on my stick ::snore::.
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