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General Category => Hockey => Topic started by: scoop85 on November 19, 2021, 08:50:45 AM

Title: Brown Game Thread
Post by: scoop85 on November 19, 2021, 08:50:45 AM
Let's get this going
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Scersk '97 on November 19, 2021, 10:41:09 AM
But how can we talk about the team in a thread other than "Game Thread?" The horror!
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: billhoward on November 19, 2021, 01:43:37 PM
Thank you for breaking out individual games.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
Or here (https://www.reddit.com/r/LynahFaithful/comments/qxsuy5/nov_19_game_thread_brown/), if you wish.  I'm trying to cross-pollinate with The Keeeds.  (Or at least with people under 40.)
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 07:04:34 PM
Howe hurt.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 07:31:04 PM
STIENBURG!!!
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Rita on November 19, 2021, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: TrotskySTIENBURG!!!

A very nice goal.

And it looked great on the big tv with the new roku stick / espn+ streaming (vs. streaming via  chromecast on a chromecast thingy-ma-jiggy that is like 6 years old). I have to say the Roku stick was very easy to set up.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 07:42:32 PM
First 10 minutes, shots: Cornell 6-5
Next 10 minutes, shots: Cornell 11-0
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ugarte on November 19, 2021, 08:45:23 PM
losing my mind at cornell's unwillingness to take a less than perfect shot and try to score ugly.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
Guh.  The band didn't forget the Jeopardy theme.  ::yark::
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ugarte on November 19, 2021, 09:23:34 PM
once again the 3x3 game of the Cornell Big Red against teams that they should not need overtime to beat is impressive
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 09:25:19 PM
Welp, we left a point out there but I'll take it.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: scoop85 on November 19, 2021, 09:33:00 PM
We have to get the power play going, but otherwise we were the better team and deserved the win.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
We are also going to have to protect my homie Nate more if he continues to play, with all those sweet rebounds.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Iceberg on November 19, 2021, 09:58:24 PM
That was my first game at Lynah in ~7 years. It felt great to be in that atmosphere again and it was nice to see a more exciting brand of hockey than what I usually saw as a student there in the days of Iles and Ferlin. Definitely fewer chants from section A than I remember but I have a feeling the staff may have something to do with that.

As for the game, I got there in time for the second half of the 1st period when Cornell was throwing everything at Caron, who looked incredibly shaky. Brown definitely got better at forechecking and defending in the 2nd period to limit any shots off the ice although they certainly benefited from the penalties. I never saw Dirven's hit from where I was sitting in section O but it must have been behind the play. I was surprised to see a major on the board. Things will definitely need to be a bit better tomorrow night.

Also at the end of the game, one of the linesmen was nice enough to give the puck to a family for their little girl not too far from where I was sitting
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ugarte on November 19, 2021, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: scoop85We have to get the power play going, but otherwise we were the better team and deserved the win.
too much four corners not enough cutting or screening imo
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: arugula on November 19, 2021, 11:17:50 PM
Can anyone explain how we win a game and drop from 18 to 23 in Pairwise and Sucks doesn't play and moves up a spot.  I know I know it's complicated but jeez.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ugarte on November 19, 2021, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: arugulaCan anyone explain how we win a game and drop from 18 to 23 in Pairwise and Sucks doesn't play and moves up a spot.  I know I know it's complicated but jeez.
brown sucks and we had to go to overtime to beat them, so it's only barely better than a tie against a weak team
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 19, 2021, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: arugulaCan anyone explain how we win a game and drop from 18 to 23 in Pairwise and Sucks doesn't play and moves up a spot.  I know I know it's complicated but jeez.
It's not that complicated, it's strength of schedule -- Brown is 53 in PWR.  It will be even more fun tomorrow when we play Yale -- dead last at 59 (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php).

The bad news is three teams in the ECAC are 50 or worse (Union is 50).  The good news is after tomorrow we will have played once against them all.  The bad news is we play them again, and Dartmouth isn't much better at 43.  

What do they all have in common?  They took a year off.  So we should be pretty damn pleased right now.  Bad SOS and a good record is a First World Problem.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: arugula on November 19, 2021, 11:32:03 PM
Why doesn't this effect (affect?) Harvard? Is it really better to lose to a good team (Northeastern, Clarkson) than beat a bad one?
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Dafatone on November 20, 2021, 12:43:50 AM
A lot of it is how early in the year we are. Every game is a big swing.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: marty on November 20, 2021, 04:42:29 AM
Quote from: arugulaWhy doesn't this effect (affect?) Harvard? Is it really better to lose to a good team (Northeastern, Clarkson) than beat a bad one?

From what was mentioned here a few weeks ago we only get credit for 55% of a win when the win occurs in overtime.  3 of Cornell's wins are discounted in this way in the national computer ranking.

How about QPutz tonight?  As they won a shootout is that worth the same or less than the Cornell win (assuming they were both vs a common opponent for example)?

This year's math makes me feel like an SEC athlete and then there's the 3 points per game thing.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ursusminor on November 20, 2021, 05:09:40 AM
Quote from: marty
Quote from: arugulaWhy doesn't this effect (affect?) Harvard? Is it really better to lose to a good team (Northeastern, Clarkson) than beat a bad one?

From what was mentioned here a few weeks ago we only get credit for 55% of a win when the win occurs in overtime.  3 of Cornell's wins are discounted in this way in the national computer ranking.

How about QPutz tonight?  As they won a shootout is that worth the same or less than the Cornell win (assuming they were both vs a common opponent for example)?

This year's math makes me feel like an SEC athlete and then there's the 3 points per game thing.

For the ECAC, OT and SO wins are both worth 2 out of 3 points. For the NCAA's PWR calculation, an OT win is worth 55% of a win, while a SO win is worth 50% of a win. I.e. the SO is ignored.

Thus, for the ECAC they are the same, but for the NCAA they are not.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: upprdeck on November 20, 2021, 09:36:51 AM
once we went on the PP and the next 25 Min included 5 and the major our fore check stalled out and Brown got back in the game but Brown really didnt do much  except mucked it around as much as possible.   On the major we had 3 high quality chances.  our PP  just needs to speed it up a bit. MacDonald played well and the Brown kid made several nice saves but also lost the puck more  times then I recall any goalie in one game.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: CU2007 on November 20, 2021, 10:48:16 AM
It's annoyingly complicated on the RPI/PWR side of things. "Just win, baby" has basically become "Just win in regulation, baby"
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Dafatone on November 20, 2021, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: CU2007It's annoyingly complicated on the RPI/PWR side of things. "Just win, baby" has basically become "Just win in regulation, baby"

If you think of OT games as basically ties for RPI purposes, it makes things simpler.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Al DeFlorio on November 20, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: CU2007It's annoyingly complicated on the RPI/PWR side of things. "Just win, baby" has basically become "Just win in regulation, baby"

If you think of OT games as basically ties for RPI purposes, it makes things simpler.
So...now we endure unnatural hockey (3 on 3; shootouts) because you just can't abide having a tie, and simply must have a winner, but the resulting RPI/PWR outcome is doomed to be...essentially...a tie.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Dafatone on November 20, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: CU2007It's annoyingly complicated on the RPI/PWR side of things. "Just win, baby" has basically become "Just win in regulation, baby"

If you think of OT games as basically ties for RPI purposes, it makes things simpler.
So...now we endure unnatural hockey (3 on 3; shootouts) because you just can't abide having a tie, and simply must have a winner, but the resulting RPI/PWR outcome is doomed to be...essentially...a tie.

Pretty much. I think I liked it better the old way. 3 on 3 hockey is fun, but it shouldn't count for anything, which means ties at end of regulation.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on November 20, 2021, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: CU2007It's annoyingly complicated on the RPI/PWR side of things. "Just win, baby" has basically become "Just win in regulation, baby"

If you think of OT games as basically ties for RPI purposes, it makes things simpler.
So...now we endure unnatural hockey (3 on 3; shootouts) because you just can't abide having a tie, and simply must have a winner, but the resulting RPI/PWR outcome is doomed to be...essentially...a tie.

Pretty much. I think I liked it better the old way. 3 on 3 hockey is fun, but it shouldn't count for anything, which means ties at end of regulation.

+1
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ugarte on November 20, 2021, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: upprdeckour PP  just needs to speed it up a bit.
and mix it up with cutting and crashing. the passing on the umbrella just hasn't been crisp and it seems like every time the pass is designed to set up a slapshot always comes in too tight and the cycle has to restart. if you pass for 45 seconds and keep possession but don't even get a shot off that's a huge failure.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 20, 2021, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: CU2007It's annoyingly complicated on the RPI/PWR side of things. "Just win, baby" has basically become "Just win in regulation, baby"

If you think of OT games as basically ties for RPI purposes, it makes things simpler.
So...now we endure unnatural hockey (3 on 3; shootouts) because you just can't abide having a tie, and simply must have a winner, but the resulting RPI/PWR outcome is doomed to be...essentially...a tie.

Pretty much. I think I liked it better the old way. 3 on 3 hockey is fun, but it shouldn't count for anything, which means ties at end of regulation.

It's not even that fun.  It's basically lax.  One team controls for as long as they want, gets off a shot, and then half the time they get it back and set up again, and half the time the roles reverse.  zzzzzzzzzzz.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Al DeFlorio on November 20, 2021, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: CU2007It's annoyingly complicated on the RPI/PWR side of things. "Just win, baby" has basically become "Just win in regulation, baby"

If you think of OT games as basically ties for RPI purposes, it makes things simpler.
So...now we endure unnatural hockey (3 on 3; shootouts) because you just can't abide having a tie, and simply must have a winner, but the resulting RPI/PWR outcome is doomed to be...essentially...a tie.

Pretty much. I think I liked it better the old way. 3 on 3 hockey is fun, but it shouldn't count for anything, which means ties at end of regulation.

It's not even that fun.  It's basically lax.  One team controls for as long as they want, gets off a shot, and then half the time they get it back and set up again, and half the time the roles reverse.  zzzzzzzzzzz.
Right.  It's not hockey.  It's a gimmick.  As is a shootout.  Next it'll be a relay race:  one forward, one defenseman, and the starting goalie.  Three laps each around the goals.  Goalie carries his stick.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ugarte on November 20, 2021, 05:30:31 PM
It's shinny. Shinny is fun.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 20, 2021, 06:06:30 PM
Quote from: ugarteIt's shinny. Shinny is fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyQukqhP0UA
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: French Rage on November 21, 2021, 12:35:01 PM
People, it's before the New Year, stop tracking PWR.
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: ugarte on November 21, 2021, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: French RagePeople, it's before the New Year, stop tracking PWR.
never
Title: Re: Brown Game Thread
Post by: Trotsky on November 21, 2021, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: French RagePeople, it's before the New Year, stop tracking PWR.
never

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27dau3