I know there was a topic for the pre-season poll, but thought a more general topic was appropriate.
The season begins on Tuesday with a trip to Binghamton (okay, Vestal). Pretty much everyone who played significant minutes the last time there was a Cornell basketball game (612 days ago, as Cornell sports information seems to like to say) is gone, so I have no earthly idea what to expect this year. Only four guys who played regular minutes return. Wing Jordon Jones who played himself into, and then out of, a starting spot as a Freshman, before missing the last half of the season with a injury; Dean Noll, who was the first guard off the bench; Kobe Dickson, who started the last six games after Boeheim was injured and averaged 10p-5R in that stretch; and rotational guard Greg Dolan. Plus 11 guys who have never played a minute for Cornell. Some of those newcomers look intriguing, but this is basically a team reboot.
If the "possible starters" on the press notes is what the starting line-up looks like, it will be short. Four guards and one forward with Jones, Dolan and Dickson starting along with VMI transfer Sarju Patel and Soph. Chris Manon. Earl will likely be trying out a lot of combinations, but that possible starting line-up looks awfully small.
No idea what to expect, but the Ivies have really stratified into two tiers and I'd be happy if the guys were the best of the "have-nots," and some of the freshman and sophomores looked like solid building blocks, especially a couple of the bigs since Earl has six of them. The first two games are at Bingo and Lafayette, neither of which is supposed to be good, so early wins are possible.
Lafayette opens at SU tonight to see what they have.. I know they have a 7ft kid at center
Probably a reflection of the Binghamton defense but Cornell out to an 11-6 lead and pushing the pace hard. Fun so far.
Very hard to imagine Patel at VMI. He probably let his freak flag fly as soon as he got accepted to transfer out.
Cornell playing like there's a 10-second shot clock.
wire to wire. very nice. the team likes the backdoor cuts a little too much. the ones that get through are pretty but too many giveaways. shooting, especially free throw shooting, needs a lot of work. fun start to the season though.
mcgriff has a handle way too good for the level but he can't shoot and cornell got him into foul trouble easily.
Hoops beats Bingo 76-69. Our FT and 3-point shooting was awful, but Binghamton couldn't hit an outside shot either and we have more talent. Nice to see the guys finally get on the court and play before a pretty good crowd in Vestal.
Good performances by Manon, Jones, and Patel. We went 13-deep on the roster and have lots of guys who can contribute. But if our 3-point and FT shooting doesn't improve we'll have trouble beating better teams than Binghamton. But overall a good effort for the 1st game in 18 months with so many kids who've never played a D-1 game.
Yeah, Bingo is not very good, but better to win these games than lose them. A lot is going to ride on whether any bigs develop to help Dickson out. 16 offensive rebounds is way too many to give up. A better team will make Cornell pay for that.
Still, 1-0 is better than the alternative.
Quote from: ugarteVery hard to imagine Patel at VMI. He probably let his freak flag fly as soon as he got accepted to transfer out.
VMI was probably a break after attending Hargrave Military Academy. Think VMI, but all male and more Baptist.
A cheerful take from 14850.com (https://www.14850.com/111022329-basketball-streak-2111/)
Quote"Two-game win streak features victories 612 days apart" for Big Red Hoops
At the half: Cornell 50 Lafayette 42
The guys have looked like the better team, LC has needed a bunch of threes to keep this close.
Cornell is very aggressive on D and has a bunch of guys who can get to the basket.
Final: 90-85. Lafayette had chances to grab a lead and never could get over the hump. 3 game win streak?
Quote from: mountainredFinal: 90-85. Lafayette had chances to grab a lead and never could get over the hump. 3 game win streak?
Hello, N.I.T.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mountainredFinal: 90-85. Lafayette had chances to grab a lead and never could get over the hump. 3 game win streak?
Hello, N.I.T.
Ha, I wish! Meanwhile, Brown leads UNC at the half.
I'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?
Quote from: billhowardI'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?
It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado, about midway between Denver and the Wyoming line. They've been D1 for a couple of minutes.
But nope, it was the UNC that is a basketball arena surrounded by a campus. Brown loses 94-87.
Quote from: billhowardI'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?
Hail Petaluma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_California_(Santa_Rosa)).
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: billhowardI'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?
It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado...
wrestling team coached by Cornell wrestling pantheon member Trent Nickerson (4x AA, finishing 2, 1, 3, 4 iirc but that "poor" performance was because of a bum shoulder).
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mountainredQuote from: billhowardI'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?
It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado...
wrestling team coached by Cornell wrestling pantheon member Trent Nickerson (4x AA, finishing 2, 1, 3, 4 iirc but that "poor" performance was because of a bum shoulder).
Troy
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugarteQuote from: mountainredQuote from: billhowardI'm trying to think, what are other schools named UNC -- Nebraska-Columbus, pop 25,000?
It could have been the Univ. of Northern Colorado in beautiful Greeley, Colorado...
wrestling team coached by Cornell wrestling pantheon member Trent Nickerson (4x AA, finishing 2, 1, 3, 4 iirc but that "poor" performance was because of a bum shoulder).
Troy
good lord. what happened to me! (i was also thinking about this guy (https://uncbears.com/sports/wrestling/roster/trent-noon/3563) who troy took to ncaa's.
Quote from: ugartegood lord. what happened to me! (i was also thinking about this guy (https://uncbears.com/sports/wrestling/roster/trent-noon/3563) who troy took to ncaa's.
What happened? You've fallen under my spell of saying 'Jeff Archer.'
Back to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
Quote from: mountainredBack to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredBack to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.
It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredBack to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.
It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.
Colgate is not playing a deep rotation, while we're going about 12 deep and playing a relentless up tempo game. That may wearing them out. Cornell up 10 with 6:00 left in the 2nd half.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mountainredQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredBack to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.
It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.
Colgate is not playing a deep rotation, while we're going about 12 deep and playing a relentless up tempo game. That may wearing them out. Cornell up 10 with 6:00 left in the 2nd half.
Great win 78-68. Colgate used a 7 man rotation, while the Big Red went 11 deep. Raider second half shooting was awful. Some of that was Cornell D; some was just bad shooting.
Cornell wins a stunner, 78-68. I saw Colgate go toe-to-toe with NC State on Saturday, losing by 3 in the last seconds, and thought we'd be overmatched. We're by no means a perfect team, but Colgate went cold in the 2nd half, helped in part by our defensive pressure.
Really impressive win. The way we played tonight is how Bill Courtney tried to play during his disastrous run as coach. But Brian Earl knows how to coach, and he now has enough players to make it work.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredBack to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.
It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.
Right. Key stats: At the time Colgate led 35 -25, Colgate was 5 for 15 and Cornell 2 for 12 on treys. After that point, Cornell was 4 for 13 and Colgate
1 for 17!
New names that were heroes for Cornell: Sophs. Sean Hansen (11p, 3A) and Keith Boothby (10P, 9R). Those two were 4 of 5 from behind the arc; the rest of the team 2-20. Boothby really looks like a heck of a shooter.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredBack to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.
It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.
Right. Key stats: At the time Colgate led 35 -25, Colgate was 5 for 15 and Cornell 2 for 12 on treys. After that point, Cornell was 4 for 13 and Colgate 1 for 17!
There was a point where Colgate was shooting 15% from the field in the second half.
One other huge stat, Cornell stopped giving up offensive rebounds. Colgate had 9 when they built up their double digit lead. They grabbed just four more, and a few of those were very late.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mountainredBack to action tonight as the BR host Colgate in what should be a step in class from the last two games. The Raiders of unknown color are the Patriot League favorites and this weekend took NC State (North Carolina, not Northern Colorado) to the wire. A win would be enormous for the program.
17% on treys and 60% on free throws is not gonna beat Colgate.
It might if 'gate keeps shooting under 33 percent from the field. 12 minutes left, Cornell leads 50-41.
Right. Key stats: At the time Colgate led 35 -25, Colgate was 5 for 15 and Cornell 2 for 12 on treys. After that point, Cornell was 4 for 13 and Colgate 1 for 17!
There was a point where Colgate was shooting 15% from the field in the second half.
One other huge stat, Cornell stopped giving up offensive rebounds. Colgate had 9 when they built up their double digit lead. They grabbed just four more, and a few of those were very late.
Yes, that was huge. In the 1st half Colgate had numerous 2nd and 3rd chances and it looked like that would bury us. But we flipped the script in the 2nd half.
Game quote from Colgate coach:
"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."
Quote from: Al DeFlorioGame quote from Colgate coach:
"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."
That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioGame quote from Colgate coach:
"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."
That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.
Penn grad
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioGame quote from Colgate coach:
"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."
That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.
Penn grad
So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.
Quote from: George64Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioGame quote from Colgate coach:
"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."
That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.
Penn grad
So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.
You got me there.
Quote from: George64Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioGame quote from Colgate coach:
"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."
That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.
Penn grad
So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.
::banana::
Quote from: George64Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioGame quote from Colgate coach:
"College basketball is fragile. To win a game is hard. Tonight, we didn't play well and Cornell had a lot to do with that. Their style of play, physicality, tempo and belief certainly affected us. Yes, we didn't make shots, but we didn't do what was necessary to control the rhythm of the game, especially late in the first half and most of the second half. Every game takes on its own identity and we didn't adjust to tonight's game appropriately. In that, we had some uncharacteristic mistakes at both ends of the court that cost us dearly."
That's a great quote. Rather literate for a B-ball coach.
Penn grad
So is our former president, so not necessarily causal.
He transferred there after his sophomore year at Fordham, and he was interviewed for admission by a friend of his brother. He also went into Wharton during the 1960s, a time when undergraduate business schools were about as popular as skunks at picnics.
It means absolutely nothing, but it is kind of fun to see. (https://twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1461095434059862016/photo/1)
Cornell tweeted a similar sentiment, first 3-0 start in xx years. This is like an 85-year-old whistling past the graveyard.
Cornell eases past Wells College in the first ever meeting between the two schools, 107-48. I normally wouldn't post about what was essentially an exhibition game, but I thought it was cool that all 16 players on Cornell's roster scored at least 2 points. When's the last time that happened? I doubt it has ever happened against a D-1 opponent.
Colgate leading Syracuse by 7 mid 2nd half.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioColgate leading Syracuse by 7 mid 2nd half.
Colgate torches SU's vaunted 2-3 zone and wins 100-85. Breaks a 54 game losing Streei to the Orange.
any team thats puts up 40 3's and shoots 40% is gonna be tough. and that was after starting 0-11..
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioColgate leading Syracuse by 7 mid 2nd half.
Colgate torches SU's vaunted 2-3 zone and wins 100-85. Breaks a 54 game losing streak to the Orange.
oh wow. we have our own 40 game losing streak, even 2009-10 when both of us made it to the Sweet 16. would be really, really nice to catch the Orange in a down year.
Quote from: djk26Cornell eases past Wells College in the first ever meeting between the two schools, 107-48. I normally wouldn't post about what was essentially an exhibition game, but I thought it was cool that all 16 players on Cornell's roster scored at least 2 points. When's the last time that happened? I doubt it has ever happened against a D-1 opponent.
I hope Sports Info meant every healthy player on the roster, or every player who suited up, since So. Evan Williams (played a few minutes in the opener and looked promising) and 6-10 Fr. Ryan Kiachian are still on the roster.
Still a cool stat and I can't find a time that it happened. The Big Red beat Alfred St. 107-29 a few years back, but Deion Giddens didn't score in 12 minutes of play.
Penn State tonight at 6:30 on Big Ten network. PSU has beaten Youngstown State and St. Francis but was crushed by UMass. Should be competitive.
Should be a good test for the guys tonight. Cornell has got to keep Penn State from dominating the offensive rebounds. Some hot shooting from behind the arc would be nice too.
Quote from: mountainredShould be a good test for the guys tonight. Cornell has got to keep Penn State from dominating the offensive rebounds. Some hot shooting from behind the arc would be nice too.
The test is stacked against Cornell by 14-15 points if the betting line is accurate. But, you know, Colgate took down Syracuse, so there are possibilities.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mountainredShould be a good test for the guys tonight. Cornell has got to keep Penn State from dominating the offensive rebounds. Some hot shooting from behind the arc would be nice too.
The test is stacked against Cornell by 14-15 points if the betting line is accurate. But, you know, Colgate took down Syracuse, so there are possibilities.
Penn St. 41 Cornell 38 at the half. Big Red led by 10 or so midway through the first half, but the Nits hit 4 three pointers down the stretch.
Penn St. closes on a 24-9 run to win 85-74. Game was much closer than that score indicates; Cornell led with 6 to go. Basically, the Nits hit 15 of 34 from behind the arc, while Cornell was just 9 of 32. They also hit 9 of 10 at the line to close the game out.
pSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,
Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.
Quote from: upprdeckpSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,
Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.
The last 5 minutes were disappointing, but for the first 35 Cornell looked every bit as good as Penn St. And it wasn't fluke shooting, but was aggressive defense, strong rebounding and smart offense.
Bear in mind that the Ivies as a whole have played pretty well. Princeton has beaten So. Carolina and Oregon State and Dartmouth beat Georgetown (who aren't the Hoyas of old, but still). Brown has thrown scares into UNC and Colorado. But this team will be a tough match-up and should win their share of league games. And if this is the new Earl style, he may be able to build something here. This looks like fun to play.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: upprdeckpSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,
Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.
The last 5 minutes were disappointing, but for the first 35 Cornell looked every bit as good as Penn St. And it wasn't fluke shooting, but was aggressive defense, strong rebounding and smart offense.
Bear in mind that the Ivies as a whole have played pretty well. Princeton has beaten So. Carolina and Oregon State and Dartmouth beat Georgetown (who aren't the Hoyas of old, but still). Brown has thrown scares into UNC and Colorado. But this team will be a tough match-up and should win their share of league games. And if this is the new Earl style, he may be able to build something here. This looks like fun to play.
While the last few minutes were disappointing, this team is awfully fun to watch. We need to do a better job hitting free throws down the stretch, and Penn State caught fire from 3 late (their 15 3's tied a school record). Kobe Dixon, who played a solid game, missed a shot at the rim that took a bit of the wind out of our sales.
But it's great to see Cornell basketball back as a legitimate and competitive program.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mountainredQuote from: upprdeckpSu shot 50% for the game other than that cornell did more than hold their own.. led most of the night.. Still they took too many bad shots at then 4 missed FTs late and multiple driving layups.. Other games they got those called as fouls but tonight just tough runners that didnt go in,
Play like that and they can be near the top of the Ivies.
The last 5 minutes were disappointing, but for the first 35 Cornell looked every bit as good as Penn St. And it wasn't fluke shooting, but was aggressive defense, strong rebounding and smart offense.
Bear in mind that the Ivies as a whole have played pretty well. Princeton has beaten So. Carolina and Oregon State and Dartmouth beat Georgetown (who aren't the Hoyas of old, but still). Brown has thrown scares into UNC and Colorado. But this team will be a tough match-up and should win their share of league games. And if this is the new Earl style, he may be able to build something here. This looks like fun to play.
While the last few minutes were disappointing, this team is awfully fun to watch. We need to do a better job hitting free throws down the stretch, and Penn State caught fire from 3 late (their 15 3's tied a school record). Kobe Dixon, who played a solid game, missed a shot at the rim that took a bit of the wind out of our sales.
But it's great to see Cornell basketball back as a legitimate and competitive program.
Without PS making so many 3's that late in the game Cornell likely would have won. In any case, they played very well against a Big Ten team.
93-80 win today over St. Francis PA. Freshman guard Nazir Williams and sophomore forward Keller Boothby stole the show, with 21 and 17 points respectively. Williams plays with great poise for a rookie, and I think he may be Cornell's best all around player. The Red led by as much as 21, and was never truly threatened although St. Francis played a stronger 2nd half and hit a ton of free throws.
Cornell is now 5-1 for the 1st time since 1967, hard as that may be to believe. Three winnable games ahead before heading to play a very good Virginia Tech team.
Looks like I missed a good one due to holiday travel, but Williams' stat line impresses and he looked good against Penn St. I still like Jones's overall game a little better, but that opinion won't age well if Nazir keeps on this trajectory.
Canisius is pretty good, and tough to beat at home. I think their record is a bit deceiving as they really overscheduled. But it is very winnable. Cornell is better than Coppin State and Keuka lost to Wells.
And I know it is the wrong holiday, but Coach Earl receive a present in a new commitment this week. A 6-5 SG from Harvard Westlake who is doing a post grad year at Phillips Exeter. Verbal Commits only listed Army as offering (other than Cornell), but they listed Williams as having no other offers, so who knows.
Quote from: mountainredCanisius is pretty good, and tough to beat at home. I think their record is a bit deceiving as they really overscheduled. But it is very winnable. Cornell is better than Coppin State and Keuka lost to Wells.
And I know it is the wrong holiday, but Coach Earl receive a present in a new commitment this week. A 6-5 SG from Harvard Westlake who is doing a post grad year at Phillips Exeter. Verbal Commits only listed Army as offering (other than Cornell), but they listed Williams as having no other offers, so who knows.
Sure, beating Canisius on the road won't be easy, probably a toss-up. The other 2 should be W's for sure.
The more I see about college basketball recruiting the more it's apparent that so many quality D1 talents are missed by college coaches. Hardly anyone recruited Louis Dale and Matt Morgan, and we know what kind of players they were. I also saw on Verbal Commits that Nazir Williams appeared to have no other D1 offers, which is astounding if you see what the guy can do on the court.
Quote from: mountainredAnd I know it is the wrong holiday, but Coach Earl receive a present in a new commitment this week. A 6-5 SG from Harvard Westlake who is doing a post grad year at Phillips Exeter. Verbal Commits only listed Army as offering (other than Cornell), but they listed Williams as having no other offers, so who knows.
https://twitter.com/NERRHoops/status/1463148770682621957
I'm pretty sure Duncan Robinson didn't get any D1 offers coming out of Exeter either and he's done ok with the Miami Heat. Maybe Hinton will be similarly good, but hopefully we can skip the transfer to Michigan.
You know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioYou know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.
That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.
He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought "what the heck" and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.
I didn't think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn't play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn't get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.
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Nice story Scoop
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioYou know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.
That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.
He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought "what the heck" and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.
I didn't think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn't play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn't get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.
Will we need to add your name to the basketball team's website as a recruiting consultant? :-).
Seriously, that's great work.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioYou know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.
That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.
He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought "what the heck" and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.
I didn't think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn't play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn't get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.
Will we need to add your name to the basketball team's website as a recruiting consultant? :-).
Seriously, that's great work.
I was a bit surprised that a guy with Cain's academic and basketball profile wasn't already known to the program. He played on a high school team in New York's largest school (AA) classification, and played the AAU circuit. But just as it appears to be the case with Nazir Williams and so many others, many capable players are not heavily recruited.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mountainredQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioYou know things are going your way when a 3-pointer goes in off the backboard.
That was scored by freshman Chris Cain, which brings up interesting recruiting story. Cain is from my area, and I was familiar with him as the top local player from newspaper articles his senior year in 2020. At the end of that season I saw an article that he was named player of the year for the region. The article mentioned that he was an excellent student, and although he had interest (maybe even offers) from schools like Manhattan (where his dad still is the all-time leading scorer) and BU, he was doing a PG year at Cushing Academy to boost his stock.
He looked like a classic Ivy late bloomer, so I thought "what the heck" and emailed the article to Cornell assistant Jon Jaques. Jaques thanked me for sending the info and agreed that Cain looked like an interesting player to investigate.
I didn't think much more about it until months later I saw that Cain had committed to Cornell. Cushing didn't play last year, so unfortunately for him he didn't get an opportunity to further boost his credentials. But perhaps he turns into another under-the-radar guy who contributes to the program.
Will we need to add your name to the basketball team's website as a recruiting consultant? :-).
Seriously, that's great work.
I was a bit surprised that a guy with Cain's academic and basketball profile wasn't already known to the program. He played on a high school team in New York's largest school (AA) classification, and played the AAU circuit. But just as it appears to be the case with Nazir Williams and so many others, many capable players are not heavily recruited.
Cornell found Louis Dale when Louis Dale sent them a tape IIRC. First-team all-state in Alabama with much-better-than-necessary academic profile and he had to find us.
So if we go into the Ivy season 7-2 are we still going to get creamed, or is this a good team?
Quote from: TrotskySo if we go into the Ivy season 7-2 are we still going to get creamed, or is this a good team?
i think we're going to be middle of the pack. ivies aren't going to go on a crazy tournament run or anything but not a doormat conference either.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskySo if we go into the Ivy season 7-2 are we still going to get creamed, or is this a good team?
i think we're going to be middle of the pack. ivies aren't going to go on a crazy tournament run or anything but not a doormat conference either.
9-4 or 8-5 headed into the Ivy slate is likely (figure on losses to VaTech and SU, wins versus Coppin State and the D3, then a split of the remaining three games). The computers currently project this team to go 6-8 in the league and just just miss the Ivy Tournament. But that means a winning record, which could result in a third tier, pay-to-play, post-season tournament bid similar to the one in MM's senior year. And some extra practice for a very young team.
Cornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30 at the half. Big Red have 12 assists on 16 made FGs so far.
Quote from: mountainredCornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30
Canisius?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: mountainredCornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30
Canisius?
Yes.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: mountainredCornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30
Canisius?
A downturn since Calvin Murphy was a 3X All-America guard. Roughly the Dryden era. At least I didn't mention Bob Lanier. That was St. Bonaventure.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mountainredQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: mountainredCornell 46 Mythical Beasts 30
Canisius?
A downturn since Calvin Murphy was a 3X All-America guard. Roughly the Dryden era.
Except Murphy went to Niagara
89-75 final. Big Red led by as many as 27. The last time Cornell won at Canisius, they won the league. I'm sure there is causation there, right?
Heck of game by Dolan: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and didn't miss a shot. Dickson added 17 points.
Pretty sure this is the best the team has looked overall since 2010.
Quote from: mountainred89-75 final. Big Red led by as many as 27. The last time Cornell won at Canisius, they won the league. I'm sure there is causation there, right?
Heck of game by Dolan: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and didn't miss a shot. Dickson added 17 points.
Pretty sure this is the best the team has looked overall since 2010.
No argument from me about your last point. Coming into the year I thought this was a big year for Earl to show he could elevate the program, and he's passing that test with flying colors.
He's taken a group of unheralded recruits and put them in a system that is maximizing their talents, as well as the depth on the roster. I can't recall a college team that regularly goes so deep into the bench, with no evident drop off in performance.
This team is fun to watch, and for those folks on the Forum who haven't caught a game this year you should check them out.
I really wonder why some of the analytics like BPI had Can. such a big fav in this game.. they had played no one and struggled to 2 wins where Cornell has play 3-4 teams with a pulse and won on the road as well.. easy money until they catch up.
Quote from: mountainred89-75 final. Big Red led by as many as 27. The last time Cornell won at Canisius, they won the league. I'm sure there is causation there, right?
Heck of game by Dolan: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and didn't miss a shot. Dickson added 17 points.
Pretty sure this is the best the team has looked overall since 2010.
I'll settle for correlation. :-)
Quote from: scoop85Coming into the year I thought this was a big year for Earl to show he could elevate the program, and he's passing that test with flying colors.
Right. You can't turn a program around in a year or two (Harkness needed 4 if turn around means NCAA championship) but you expect the coach of a major Cornell sport would show progress by around year five or you wonder if it's ever going to happen. This is Earl's fifth season plus the lost Covid year.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Coming into the year I thought this was a big year for Earl to show he could elevate the program, and he's passing that test with flying colors.
Right. You can't turn a program around in a year or two (Harkness needed 4 if turn around means NCAA championship) but you expect the coach of a major Cornell sport would show progress by around year five or you wonder if it's ever going to happen. This is Earl's fifth season plus the lost Covid year.
It was just that year 4 -- the first season without Matt Morgan -- was such a disappointment, especially during the ten game losing streak. I'd watch that team and routinely think it wasn't going to come together for Earl. But he seems to have found the secret sauce this season. Sure, none of the wins are exactly against Duke, but finding a way to win games they should win is great to see.
really if the PSu kids doesnt go like 6-7 from 3 they would be undefeated.
Best win was against Colgate who is favored to win the Patriot League.
Guys host 1-10 Coppin State tonight, so they should win but the Eagles' last three losses have been by 3, 1, 2, and 12 (v. a really good Bona squad). They are going to break through against someone. Amazingly, this will be their 11th road game so far this season; life in the MEAC is tough.
Coppin St. plays fast and Cornell so far has played even faster, so watch tonight's final score be something like 43-40.
no idea how Coppin is though.. lost by 60 20 35 20 as well. shoot 28% from 3 and avg 63 per game.. they played Can and lost by 1 and we were up 15 most of that game.they probably should have beat Canisius though
If you believe the computers, Coppin St. opened the season playing awful basketball and have improved to "bad but feisty." They have to be tired of travel though. They were in Buffalo the day before Thanksgiving, traveled to North Carolina for a Saturday game, then back up to Olean and Ithaca this week.
Red up 25-10 mid-first
Quote from: mountainredCoppin St. plays fast and Cornell so far has played even faster, so watch tonight's final score be something like 43-40.
55-35 at the half::cheer::
Impressive team. Dare to dream here?
Very nice start to the season. Yale, Princeton and Harvard will be tough teams to face once the Ivy League season kicks in.
if they shoot 3s like that often they will have a shot vs anyone, too bad they went cold vs PSU when it mattered. but again they had the game well in hand and got sloppy and let it get back to where a couple plays mattered. got to clean that up
Have to say, this team being competitive and fun was not on my radar this year, and it's been a really present surprise. Hope they can keep it up going into Ivy play, as I'm still somewhat skeptical of their quality of opponent thus far.
7-1 with W's over Kenpom #'s: 314 (Binghamton), 291 (Lafayette), 132 (Colgate), N/A (Wells College), 226 (St. Frances), 276 (Canisius), 315 (Coppin St.)
Quote from: semsoxHave to say, this team being competitive and fun was not on my radar this year, and it's been a really present surprise. Hope they can keep it up going into Ivy play, as I'm still somewhat skeptical of their quality of opponent thus far.
7-1 with W's over Kenpom #'s: 314 (Binghamton), 291 (Lafayette), 132 (Colgate), N/A (Wells College), 226 (St. Frances), 276 (Canisius), 315 (Coppin St.)
Comparable to the men's hockey team's impressive start against a similarly weak schedule.
Cornell goes to 8-1, scores more points than against Wells, gives up more today (12/5) who are playing their first game. Keuka student body, ~2,000
Keuka 38 26 -- 64
Cornell 65 57 -- 122
Program record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.
Quote from: mountainredProgram record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.
Great that everyone who was healthy got plenty of court time. Wednesday a far bigger challenge at Va. Tech.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mountainredProgram record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.
Great that everyone who was healthy got plenty of court time. Wednesday a far bigger challenge at Va. Tech.
Please tell me that Jones missing the game was purely precautionary.
Quote from: billhowardCornell goes to 8-1, scores more points than against Wells, gives up more today (12/5) who are playing their first game. Keuka student body, ~2,000
Keuka 38 26 -- 64
Cornell 65 57 -- 122
This was like a scrimmage game where the varsity used to play the freshman team.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: scoop85Quote from: mountainredProgram record for points scored, but it was against a winless D3 school. I hope no one got hurt.
Great that everyone who was healthy got plenty of court time. Wednesday a far bigger challenge at Va. Tech.
Please tell me that Jones missing the game was purely precautionary.
Not sure why he was out, but agree with your sentiments
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardCornell goes to 8-1, scores more points than against Wells, gives up more today (12/5) who are playing their first game. Keuka student body, ~2,000
Keuka 38 26 -- 64
Cornell 65 57 -- 122
This was like a scrimmage game where the varsity used to play the freshman team.
At Cornell in years past, one needs ask: Great. But who won?
i guess we find out tonight. Best chance tonight is that VT does not score much so perhaps a faster pace game plays to cornells strength. cant shoot 25% like the PSU game to have a chance.
Quote from: upprdecki guess we find out tonight. Best chance tonight is that VT does not score much so perhaps a faster pace game plays to cornells strength. cant shoot 25% like the PSU game to have a chance.
The challenge against the athleticism of a Power 5 team is it's harder for us to get clean looks and we're more apt to turn the ball over. But there's more parity than ever in college basketball, so I'm looking to see how our guys handle this test.
Quote from: upprdecki guess we find out tonight. Best chance tonight is that VT does not score much so perhaps a faster pace game plays to cornells strength. cant shoot 25% like the PSU game to have a chance.
Any reason for hope tonight? I'm thinking the ceiling for this team is a non NCAA postseason tournament, which would actually be quite nice.
Turnovers hurting early.
VaTech up by 16 at the half.
Hokies put together a 20-3 run late in the first half as the guys went like 1 for 10 from behind the arc + a handful of turnovers.
Can still cover with an even second half.
As I anticipated VT's athleticism is giving us fits getting open looks. Doesn't help our cause that the Hokies are shooting 56.7% from the field.
Will be tough to stay within shouting distance of that team. They certainly look superior to Penn State.
Quote from: djk26I'm thinking the ceiling for this team is a non NCAA postseason tournament, which would actually be quite nice.
I think that's a very reasonable goal, but thanks to the Ivy Tournament, the NCAA is completely out of reach. Just have to finish in the top four and get hot for one March weekend. Not likely, but more likely than having to win the regular season title.
Wanted this to be closer, but the Fighting Gobblers are on a different level than any Ivy team. Still, never thought these guys would be 8-2 heading into exam break.
Meanwhile the Penn board is in full "Fire Steve" mode.
Quote from: mountainredWanted this to be closer, but the Fighting Gobblers are on a different level than any Ivy team. Still, never thought these guys would be 8-2 heading into exam break.
Meanwhile the Penn board is in full "Fire Steve" mode.
We needed VT to have an off shooting night to keep it close, and they rudely refused to do so.
best shooting night of the year for VT. cornell had an off night.. too much size on the boards. complete opp for VT on how they played vs Wake..
Cornell 31 29 -- 60
Virginia Tech 47 46 -- 93
Cornell shot .385, 3-pointers .308
Va Tech shot .540, 3-pointers .522
Sheesh, 52% on three-pointers for the hosts.
Quote from: upprdeckbest shooting night of the year for VT. cornell had an off night.. too much size on the boards. complete opp for VT on how they played vs Wake..
I was concerned that VT's loss to WF would be bad news for us. The Hokies came out focused and seemed to hit everything.
cornell beat Laf
Laf Beat rutgers
Rutgers beat Purdue
so cornell #1..
Is there a similar path for Keuka or Wells to make the claim?
Not even in D3.
Syracuse just postponed the Cornell game.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSyracuse just postponed the Cornell game.
they're scared
Cornell picked up a commitment from a 6'7" SG/SF today. Offers from Appalachian State, Boston College and Washington State.
https://twitter.com/DJNix_23
Quote from: Ken711Cornell picked up a commitment from a 6'7" SG/SF today. Offers from Appalachian State, Boston College and Washington State.
https://twitter.com/DJNix_23
Seems like a good get. Has a 3 star rating from 247 and Rivals, and is among the top 75 small forwards in his class. Per Rivals he also had offers from Wichita State and Charleston. We don't often get commits with offers from major conference schools.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Cornell picked up a commitment from a 6'7" SG/SF today. Offers from Appalachian State, Boston College and Washington State.
https://twitter.com/DJNix_23
Seems like a good get. Has a 3 star rating from 247 and Rivals, and is among the top 75 small forwards in his class. Per Rivals he also had offers from Wichita State and Charleston. We don't often get commits with offers from major conference schools.
Per this article from April, "He holds offers from Wichita State, Washington State, Boston College, Appalachian State, Auburn, and a few more smaller schools"
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2021/04/28/pitt-liking-what-its-seeing-from-2022-north-carolina-prospect-dj-nix/
Article also mentions his father Derrick Nix, played at UNC Greensboro. (And put up over 1200 points or something per another article I saw). Nice pedigree
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Cornell picked up a commitment from a 6'7" SG/SF today. Offers from Appalachian State, Boston College and Washington State.
https://twitter.com/DJNix_23
Seems like a good get. Has a 3 star rating from 247 and Rivals, and is among the top 75 small forwards in his class. Per Rivals he also had offers from Wichita State and Charleston. We don't often get commits with offers from major conference schools.
Per this article from April, "He holds offers from Wichita State, Washington State, Boston College, Appalachian State, Auburn, and a few more smaller schools"
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2021/04/28/pitt-liking-what-its-seeing-from-2022-north-carolina-prospect-dj-nix/
Article also mentions his father Derrick Nix, played at UNC Greensboro. (And put up over 1200 points or something per another article I saw). Nice pedigree
That's the best list of offers for a hoops recruit since....well...I'm not sure how long. I'm remember Shonn Miller having an impressive list, but I can't find it.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: abmarksQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Cornell picked up a commitment from a 6'7" SG/SF today. Offers from Appalachian State, Boston College and Washington State.
https://twitter.com/DJNix_23
Seems like a good get. Has a 3 star rating from 247 and Rivals, and is among the top 75 small forwards in his class. Per Rivals he also had offers from Wichita State and Charleston. We don't often get commits with offers from major conference schools.
Per this article from April, "He holds offers from Wichita State, Washington State, Boston College, Appalachian State, Auburn, and a few more smaller schools"
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2021/04/28/pitt-liking-what-its-seeing-from-2022-north-carolina-prospect-dj-nix/
Article also mentions his father Derrick Nix, played at UNC Greensboro. (And put up over 1200 points or something per another article I saw). Nice pedigree
That's the best list of offers for a hoops recruit since....well...I'm not sure how long. I'm remember Shonn Miller having an impressive list, but I can't find it.
Erick Peck also had some nice offers (I recall him being offered by Butler, for one)
Wasn't there a transfer from USC under Courtney too?
Quote from: underskillWasn't there a transfer from USC under Courtney too?
I had forgotten about Collin Robinson, who Steve brought in. He played a ton in the non-conference portion of the 2008 season, and then quits right before league play.
Quote from: mountainredI had forgotten about Collin Robinson, who Steve brought in. He played a ton in the non-conference portion of the 2008 season, and then quits right before league play.
Robinson never graduated.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: underskillWasn't there a transfer from USC under Courtney too?
I had forgotten about Collin Robinson, who Steve brought in. He played a ton in the non-conference portion of the 2008 season, and then quits right before league play.
Didn't he transfer back to USC?
Mark Coury transferred from Kentucky to play at Cornell (& study business).
No idea what happened to Collin. Those teams had some amazing guard depth (Dale, Reeves, 'ski, Gore), but Collin would have played some big minutes.
Coury let me tell folks the Big Red had a guy coming off the bench who started at Kentucky! For some reason, Billy Gillispie would start Mark each half, pull him at the first TV timeout, then not play him for the rest of the half. i think Gillispie said he like his effort in practice (Mark did work hard on the court). There is a reason Gillispie did not last in Kentucky.
Circling back, DJ Nix looks like a great recruit for Cornell.
Quote from: mountainredNo idea what happened to Collin. Those teams had some amazing guard depth (Dale, Reeves, 'ski, Gore), but Collin would have played some big minutes.
Coury let me tell folks the Big Red had a guy coming off the bench who started at Kentucky! For some reason, Billy Gillispie would start Mark each half, pull him at the first TV timeout, then not play him for the rest of the half. i think Gillispie said he like his effort in practice (Mark did work hard on the court). There is a reason Gillispie did not last in Kentucky.
Circling back, DJ Nix looks like a great recruit for Cornell.
Looks like he stopped playing after he left Cornell.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/collin-robinson-1.html
According to his LinkedIn, he is now a PhD student at Oregon.
Max Groebe was a transfer from UMass
A couple of more basketball recruits:
https://twitter.com/adam_hinton/status/1462221666742902786
https://twitter.com/_joshuabaldwin_
More on Adam:
Quote from: VerbalCommitsYear2022 (HS SR)
Position SG
Height 6-5
Weight 195
Hometown Studio City, CA
High School Phillips Exeter Academy
https://twitter.com/CornellSports/status/1473778465145245699
QuoteSyracuse Will Face Cornell on December 29th Instead of Georgia Tech.
Syracuse basketball's game against Georgia Tech was postponed from Wednesday, December 29th, but the Orange has already found a replacement opponent for that day. Syracuse will face Cornell, which was originally scheduled for December 21st. That game was postponed with both teams facing a COVID-19 outbreak within their respective programs, Now, with the Yellow Jackets in COVID protocols, the date became available for the Orange and the Big Red.
cool
Glad they rescheduled; otherwise, it would have been over three weeks between games heading into league play. Dartmouth has played 4 times since Cornell's last game. All losses, but narrow losses at Cal and Stanford, plus a narrow loss to Cal St. Bakersfield (who knew there was such an animal).
Quote from: Ken711QuoteSyracuse Will Face Cornell on December 29th Instead of Georgia Tech.
Syracuse basketball's game against Georgia Tech was postponed from Wednesday, December 29th, but the Orange has already found a replacement opponent for that day. Syracuse will face Cornell, which was originally scheduled for December 21st. That game was postponed with both teams facing a COVID-19 outbreak within their respective programs, Now, with the Yellow Jackets in COVID protocols, the date became available for the Orange and the Big Red.
Game is on NESN+ at 7 pm for those in this area.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711QuoteSyracuse Will Face Cornell on December 29th Instead of Georgia Tech.
Syracuse basketball's game against Georgia Tech was postponed from Wednesday, December 29th, but the Orange has already found a replacement opponent for that day. Syracuse will face Cornell, which was originally scheduled for December 21st. That game was postponed with both teams facing a COVID-19 outbreak within their respective programs, Now, with the Yellow Jackets in COVID protocols, the date became available for the Orange and the Big Red.
Game is on NESN+ at 7 pm for those in this area.
Also on YES
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711QuoteSyracuse Will Face Cornell on December 29th Instead of Georgia Tech.
Syracuse basketball's game against Georgia Tech was postponed from Wednesday, December 29th, but the Orange has already found a replacement opponent for that day. Syracuse will face Cornell, which was originally scheduled for December 21st. That game was postponed with both teams facing a COVID-19 outbreak within their respective programs, Now, with the Yellow Jackets in COVID protocols, the date became available for the Orange and the Big Red.
Game is on NESN+ at 7 pm for those in this area.
Also on YES
Thank you.
I've wondered for years why NESN's monetization was such that Time Warner and now Spectrum subscriptions didn't have an option to add this channel in one of the sports tiers. (Is this still true?) All moot now because cable seems to be following newspapers down a death spiral path.
I'd likely ditch cable if it weren't for their DVR. We're down to one (my wife) or two (me) network shows that are recorded on the DVR.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711QuoteSyracuse Will Face Cornell on December 29th Instead of Georgia Tech.
Syracuse basketball's game against Georgia Tech was postponed from Wednesday, December 29th, but the Orange has already found a replacement opponent for that day. Syracuse will face Cornell, which was originally scheduled for December 21st. That game was postponed with both teams facing a COVID-19 outbreak within their respective programs, Now, with the Yellow Jackets in COVID protocols, the date became available for the Orange and the Big Red.
Game is on NESN+ at 7 pm for those in this area.
Also on YES
It's on the ACC Network, so the game will be on several regional sports networks (MASN in the DC area). You should also be able to get ACCN on some of the streaming services.
Cornell loses, 80-68. Not embarassing; at least it was closer than against VT?
much better job of taking 3s this game. 15-46. its what they need to do to hang with the bigger/better teams..
the difference was that VT made so many 3s and SU missed most of theirs..
Quote from: upprdeckthe difference was that VT made so many 3s and SU missed most of theirs..
That, and the Hokies are probably a better team than the Orange this year. They did everything else a little bit better than SU.
If you missed it, Syracuse beat Brown 93-62 on Monday thanks to a very one-sided second half. Sports aren't transitive, but that is encouraging.
League play begins Sunday (Omicron notwithstanding), so here is a quick synopsis of the competition for those who haven't really been following.
Princeton -- The Tigers (10-3) have had the most impressive non-conference season. They have two power 5 wins (though Oregon State is dreadful), a 2OT loss to 10-1 Minnesota, and no bad losses. They start 3 seniors and 2 juniors, shoot the 3 well (34th best in the nation), and have a classic Princeton post player who is playing well (the improbably named Tosan Evbuomwan). The Tigers look like a lock for the ILT.
Harvard -- Tommy Amaker again has the best talent in the league, but their non-conference play has been so-so. Unless he's thinking about maximizing an NCAA seed, Amaker generally doesn't sweat out-of-conference games, he uses them to experiment. So far, Harvard (8-4) has an OT loss to a very good Iona team (now with more Pitino), a WTF loss to Siena, and three D3 wins. Their best win was in OT v. Colgate and needed a Raider brain fart at the end of regulation. Still, the post-season tournament is on a rotation, and this year it is in Cambridge, so all Harvard has to do is finish in the top 4 (and they really should) to have a great shot at the league's NCAA bid.
Brown -- Other than our guys, the Bears (8-6) have had the most surprising opening to the season. They've won almost all of the games they could reasonably expect to win (one blip with Bryant), have a nice win versus Bradley, and took UNC and Colorado to the final horn. They have an outstanding freshman Guard in Kino Lilly, Jr., a terrific coach in Martin, and have been playing great defense, at least until the second half of the SU game (they are only the league team that is giving up less than a point per possession). They are going to win some ugly games and be a factor.
Yale -- The Bulldogs (6-8) were the pre-season favorites, have a stud in senior guard Azar Swain, but its been pretty blah in New Haven since a mid-November drubbing of UMass. Seton Hall, Auburn and St. Mary's are all very good, but Yale lost them all by 20+ points and the four teams they have beaten since UMass are a combined 13-32. IMHO Jones is the league's best coach and he always gets Yale into the top half of the league, but they have not looked the part of a pre-season favorite so far.
Penn -- It's fun watching Quaker fans lose their minds over Penn's 3-10 start, but the Quakers over-scheduled again. Only the two point loss at LaSalle is a head-scratcher. They have a legit center in Michael Wang and Sophomore guard Jordan Dingle will score 20 a game. The Quakers will be fine come league play and should be around .500.
Dartmouth -- The Big Green (3-8) have maybe the league's best win (at Georgetown), dropped a pair of heart-breakers in the Bay area to Stanford and Cal and start 4 seniors. One of those seniors is outstanding shooter Brendan Barry who returns for a fifth season after transferring back from Temple (he was the Owl's best player last season). This is not the Ivy League I once knew. Still, Dartmouth is winless in December and has lost 7 straight. The Green are dangerous and the Ivy opener with them on Sunday will be telling for both teams.
Columbia -- The Lions (3-10) are frankly a mess. They are 2-4 against teams in the nation's bottom 100 (their other win was a D3 game) and aren't favored to win again this year. Sure, their best player, forward Ike Nweke, has been injured but now is back, so there is some upside, but this is the only league team that can safely plan to miss the Ivy Tourney. They'll win a game or two, and the difference between making the ILT and missing it could come down who gets upset by the Lions.
The Big Red could fall just about anywhere between 2nd (can't see them passing both Princeton and Harvard) and 7th (finishing below Columbia would be a disaster). FWIW, both computer projections have the Big Red finishing 7-7 and tied with Penn for 5th -- one game out of the ILT -- with the 8-6 being good for 3rd and 6-8 getting 7th place.
Quote from: mountainredLeague play begins Sunday (Omicron notwithstanding), so here is a quick synopsis of the competition for those who haven't really been following.
Princeton -- The Tigers (10-3) have had the most impressive non-conference season. They have two power 5 wins (though Oregon State is dreadful), a 2OT loss to 10-1 Minnesota, and no bad losses. They start 3 seniors and 2 juniors, shoot the 3 well (34th best in the nation), and have a classic Princeton post player who is playing well (the improbably named Tosan Evbuomwan). The Tigers look like a lock for the ILT.
Harvard -- Tommy Amaker again has the best talent in the league, but their non-conference play has been so-so. Unless he's thinking about maximizing an NCAA seed, Amaker generally doesn't sweat out-of-conference games, he uses them to experiment. So far, Harvard (8-4) has an OT loss to a very good Iona team (now with more Pitino), a WTF loss to Siena, and three D3 wins. Their best win was in OT v. Colgate and needed a Raider brain fart at the end of regulation. Still, the post-season tournament is on a rotation, and this year it is in Cambridge, so all Harvard has to do is finish in the top 4 (and they really should) to have a great shot at the league's NCAA bid.
Brown -- Other than our guys, the Bears (8-6) have had the most surprising opening to the season. They've won almost all of the games they could reasonably expect to win (one blip with Bryant), have a nice win versus Bradley, and took UNC and Colorado to the final horn. They have an outstanding freshman Guard in Kino Lilly, Jr., a terrific coach in Martin, and have been playing great defense, at least until the second half of the SU game (they are only the league team that is giving up less than a point per possession). They are going to win some ugly games and be a factor.
Yale -- The Bulldogs (6-8) were the pre-season favorites, have a stud in senior guard Azar Swain, but its been pretty blah in New Haven since a mid-November drubbing of UMass. Seton Hall, Auburn and St. Mary's are all very good, but Yale lost them all by 20+ points and the four teams they have beaten since UMass are a combined 13-32. IMHO Jones is the league's best coach and he always gets Yale into the top half of the league, but they have not looked the part of a pre-season favorite so far.
Penn -- It's fun watching Quaker fans lose their minds over Penn's 3-10 start, but the Quakers over-scheduled again. Only the two point loss at LaSalle is a head-scratcher. They have a legit center in Michael Wang and Sophomore guard Jordan Dingle will score 20 a game. The Quakers will be fine come league play and should be around .500.
Dartmouth -- The Big Green (3-8) have maybe the league's best win (at Georgetown), dropped a pair of heart-breakers in the Bay area to Stanford and Cal and start 4 seniors. One of those seniors is outstanding shooter Brendan Barry who returns for a fifth season after transferring back from Temple (he was the Owl's best player last season). This is not the Ivy League I once knew. Still, Dartmouth is winless in December and has lost 7 straight. The Green are dangerous and the Ivy opener with them on Sunday will be telling for both teams.
Columbia -- The Lions (3-10) are frankly a mess. They are 2-4 against teams in the nation's bottom 100 (their other win was a D3 game) and aren't favored to win again this year. Sure, their best player, forward Ike Nweke, has been injured but now is back, so there is some upside, but this is the only league team that can safely plan to miss the Ivy Tourney. They'll win a game or two, and the difference between making the ILT and missing it could come down who gets upset by the Lions.
The Big Red could fall just about anywhere between 2nd (can't see them passing both Princeton and Harvard) and 7th (finishing below Columbia would be a disaster). FWIW, both computer projections have the Big Red finishing 7-7 and tied with Penn for 5th -- one game out of the ILT -- with the 8-6 being good for 3rd and 6-8 getting 7th place.
Excellent summary. I think our up tempo style will give our Ivy brethren—-who, except perhaps for Princeton and Harvard don't have many Power 6 type athletes—fits. But if we're not hitting 3's we'll be vulnerable against anyone.
Thanks Scoop. The pessimist in me worries that what we've seen so far is a mirage fueled by a cupcake schedule, but I do think we're pretty good. Not win the league good, but win a bunch of games and legitimately contend for the Ivy Tourney good. Sunday will tell a lot about us and Dartmouth.
Boothby can't keep shooting 60% from behind the arc, can he?
Quote from: djk26Cornell loses, 80-68. Not embarassing; at least it was closer than against VT?
Moral victory. Take away J Boeheim's points, it might've been a tossup.
brown on tv vs maryland today as the ivies get close to ramping up league play.
Quote from: upprdeckbrown on tv vs maryland today as the ivies get close to ramping up league play.
Trying to think of any Brown vs. Maryland sport where the Bruins have or had a shot, beyond that golden era of Tewaaraton winner Dylan Molloy and coach Lars Tiffany ending in 2016.
BTW, from Molloy's bio on the Brown lax sports site. Makes you realize Chris Berman is pretty much the 21st century poet laureate of Brown.
Pass, fail, pass, fail, pass
Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail
Brown up 4 at the half.
Quote from: upprdeckBrown up 4 at the half.
Lost by 14.
Cornell is supposed to open the season tomorrow versus Dartmouth. I say supposed to because Princeton/Harvard and Columbia/Yale have already been postponed. Still, Dartmouth must be on the road by now, if not already in Ithaca.
It's hard to say the first league game is a must win, but this is close to one if the Big Red want to make the ILT. Losing at home to the team projected to finish seventh would put the guys in a substantial hole to start the season.
While both teams love to shoot threes (both teams take nearly half of all their shots behind the arc), otherwise there are very few similarities. Cornell plays as fast as anyone in the country and uses an eleven man rotation (or twelve if you count Max Samberg). Dartmouth plays a lot slower, they average 10 fewer possessions per game, and rely on basically a 6 man rotation.
still selling tickets for the game. i think at this point if you can play a game you need too since the next few weeks are gonna be a crap shoot all over.
Who knows how it will go with COVID but at least the Ivies are trying to play. The way I see it Cornell possesses serious depth over the other Ivies. As we have seen with the Power 5 games it is overall lack of height that is the weak spot. Penn, Brown, Princeton and Harvard (If they get their big men healthy) might pose problems. Have to say that I amazed with the 3 point shooting on the team. Boothby has that high arc on his outside shots which given law of physics increases their chances of going in. Amongst the 1st Years Ragsdale and Williams are impressive. Brian Earl has a young team and strong kudos to him for his recruitment and development plus willingness to adapt a new offensive philosophy.
the key is keeping the pace high enough that the slight drop from the 7-8-9-10 guys has a chance to work on other teams depth guys in the ivies. keeping high pace also limits the damage the big guys can cause hopefully.
Fortunately, there really isn't a dominant big in this year's league. Brown has Gainey and the Bears are very physical. Harvard has some studs in the 6-7 range (Ledlum, Kirkwood, and Forbes if he gets healthy) but they are more athletic wings than true bigs. Princeton has their usual post player, but he beats you by finding the open cutter, not grabbing 10+ rebounds and blocking shots. And Penn has been waiting for Michael Wang (6-10) to put it together for years; I guess he still could.
This is a 3 point league this season. Cornell is close to the nation's top in percentage of shots taken that are 3's, but Dartmouth, Penn and Princeton are top 30-ish, Harvard and Yale are top 100. If there is a year where a lack of size won't kill you in the league, this is it.
It will be very interesting to see who wins the tempo battle today between the league's fastest playing team (us) and the slowest (them) for the reason you give upperdeck.
For as long as I can remember, Cornell opened its Ivy season against Columbia, playing one weekend in NY and one weekend in Ithaca. Is this the first year that the schedule has changed?
Quote from: dbilmesFor as long as I can remember, Cornell opened its Ivy season against Columbia, playing one weekend in NY and one weekend in Ithaca. Is this the first year that the schedule has changed?
Yes, though it was supposed to start last season. The goal was to reduce the number of back-to-back games.
https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/1/27/mens-basketball-ivy-league-announces-scheduling-changes-for-2020-21-and-2021-22-basketball-seasons.aspx
Quote from: dbilmesFor as long as I can remember, Cornell opened its Ivy season against Columbia, playing one weekend in NY and one weekend in Ithaca. Is this the first year that the schedule has changed?
I'm glad you said this. As little as I follow hoops this is basically the only thing I know about us, and now it's gone with the Penn final football game.
Time to disband and put all our efforts into hockey and lax.
Quote from: WederQuote from: dbilmesFor as long as I can remember, Cornell opened its Ivy season against Columbia, playing one weekend in NY and one weekend in Ithaca. Is this the first year that the schedule has changed?
Yes, though it was supposed to start last season. The goal was to reduce the number of back-to-back games.
https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/1/27/mens-basketball-ivy-league-announces-scheduling-changes-for-2020-21-and-2021-22-basketball-seasons.aspx
Part of the issue had to be that every other league starts in-league play around New Years, so the Ivies were struggling to find teams to play in early January. Now we are starting right after the holidays, stretching the league season to 10 weeks, and no more scheduling problem. Columbia is the normal start, but we did begin league play at the P's as recently as 2018.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: WederQuote from: dbilmesFor as long as I can remember, Cornell opened its Ivy season against Columbia, playing one weekend in NY and one weekend in Ithaca. Is this the first year that the schedule has changed?
Yes, though it was supposed to start last season. The goal was to reduce the number of back-to-back games.
https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/1/27/mens-basketball-ivy-league-announces-scheduling-changes-for-2020-21-and-2021-22-basketball-seasons.aspx
Part of the issue had to be that every other league starts in-league play around New Years, so the Ivies were struggling to find teams to play in early January. Now we are starting right after the holidays, stretching the league season to 10 weeks, and no more scheduling problem. Columbia is the normal start, but we did begin league play at the P's as recently as 2018.
Wasn't it also an issue that Princeton until recently had its fall finals at the beginning of January?
Quote from: WederQuote from: mountainredQuote from: WederQuote from: dbilmesFor as long as I can remember, Cornell opened its Ivy season against Columbia, playing one weekend in NY and one weekend in Ithaca. Is this the first year that the schedule has changed?
Yes, though it was supposed to start last season. The goal was to reduce the number of back-to-back games.
https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/1/27/mens-basketball-ivy-league-announces-scheduling-changes-for-2020-21-and-2021-22-basketball-seasons.aspx
Part of the issue had to be that every other league starts in-league play around New Years, so the Ivies were struggling to find teams to play in early January. Now we are starting right after the holidays, stretching the league season to 10 weeks, and no more scheduling problem. Columbia is the normal start, but we did begin league play at the P's as recently as 2018.
Wasn't it also an issue that Princeton until recently had its fall finals at the beginning of January?
Yep. Princeton joining the 20th Century with post holiday exams was a hold-up.
Poor half. Dartmouth leads 34-33. Cornell without Jones and N. Williams, but Dartmouth down two starters, so that can't be an excuse.
Cornell led by 9, but the offense has really stagnated.
Quote from: mountainredPoor half. Dartmouth leads 34-33. Cornell without Jones and N. Williams, but Dartmouth down two starters, so that can't be an excuse.
Cornell led by 9, but the offense has really stagnated.
Too many three attempts. Early success came from taking it to the hoop.
Guys gut out a 79-71 win. Dean Noll really stepped up late: 20 points with some great drives, plus 7 rebounds. Shout out to Evan Williams (the player not the drink). He played some key minutes and looked really good on defense and on the glass, plus had two clutch free throws.
For about an hour, Cornell is alone in first place in the Ivy League.
3pt shows lept Dart in the game.. made 45% and shot a bunch. had multiple chances to get the game strected out but never really had a run of shots go in to do it.. good game though. Penn will be tough next week
Cornell has a bad habit of overpursuing on defense, which leads to good looks on threes if you are willing to be patient. Dartmouth did a great job of keeping the ball moving until someone was open. 14 assists on 25 made shots for them.
Penn has been leading Brown by 10 most of the game.
Cornell's first 26 second half points came on eleven layups and four free throws on fouls drawn by layups. Five three-point tries in the second half vs. twelve in the first.
I know these things are mostly ridiculous, but it looks like someone or some computer is noticing. The most recent Bracketology for Hoops:
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-projecting-2022-march-madness-men-field
being in first place gets the AQ right now. Beat Penn and then make it thru the first half of the games before starting to think about it.. even then its probably a bid league still have to win that season ender but if you can get into that there is always a shot.
Yeah, in a one bid league like the Ivy, they just plug in the first place team and move on. We get the tie-break because of our record.
Still, fun to see.
Cornell trails Penn at the half 38-36. Still no Jones. Game is being played at Cornell's pace, but Penn is winning the game near the rim. Or at least hitting more of their shots there. Cornell is shooting just 6-22 from inside the arc, which is woof.
EDIT: At the half, Columbia leads Princeton by a dozen because why not?
Quote from: mountainredCornell trails Penn at the half 38-36. Still no Jones. Game is being played at Cornell's pace, but Penn is winning the game near the rim. Or at least hitting more of their shots there. Cornell is shooting just 6-22 from inside the arc, which is woof.
EDIT: At the half, Columbia leads Princeton by a dozen because why not?
Some of the bricks they throw up from inside five feet just defy belief.
Cornell loses to Penn 79-65. The FG shooting % says it all. 34% for Cornell vs 51% for Penn.
Penn wins 79-65 as the game gets away late. Quakers could do what they wanted to near the rim, and Cornell couldn't hit enough 3's to stay in it. It may be a while before see any more bracketology stories with Cornell's name.
Princeton next and they destroyed Columbia in the second half. Maybe Cornell's depth will play a role tomorrow night.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell loses to Penn 79-65. The FG shooting % says it all. 34% for Cornell vs 51% for Penn.
Cornell shot 12 for 37 from
inside the arc. That's brutal. The threes helped their shooting percentage.
Chris Manon does some good things. He's a strong rebounder and an intense defender. But 2 for 12 shooting is hard to watch.
they just missed to many within 3-5 ft.. at the beginning the refs swallowed the whistle then they called everything then they went back again.. the key play I thought was the blatant flop the penn kid took on the 3 around 5 min to go and then the charge he got called right after that..
more than enough chances.. 3s got the lead and they missed a ton of open looks down the stretch. but we have to finish around the basket better.
Quote from: upprdeckbut we have to finish around the basket better.
Bart Torvik's website (https://www.barttorvik.com/box.php?muid=CornellPenn1-7&year=2022) breaks down 2 point shots as "at the rim" or "mid-range" (or dunks, but there aren't enough of those to matter). Cornell was 8-22 at the rim, Penn was 20-28. There is your difference. The Quakers also shot 17 more FTs, which I'd love to be more ticked off about, but we did get very 3-ball heavy.
Good first half in New Jersey: Cornell 39 Princeton 25. The Tigers are without their best player, injured last night, but Jones is still out for Cornell.
Cornell's pace looks like it is throwing off the Tigers, especially down their PG. But the Tigers trailed at the half last night and won going away.
Without commenting on any other aspect of the game, I will say, the officiating down the stretch of this one has left something to be desired.
Cornell blows an 18 point lead and Princeton hits a circus three at the horn to win 72-70. I didn't expect to win at Princeton, but this loss is galling.
Quote from: mountainredCornell blows an 18 point lead and Princeton hits a circus three at the horn to win 72-70. I didn't expect to win at Princeton, but this loss is galling.
the layup by noll was clean and the defense on the last possession was so good. forcing a 25 footer only to have it drop. i have no comment on anything else because i left for dinner with about an 8 point lead.
Dean going the length of the floor after the missed FT was nice (the play before with Manon dribbling into trouble and turning it over on the other hand). And they harassed Princeton perfectly on their last desperate attack. You want them to take that shot. Kid just made an insane 3.
It never should have come down to that though. Cornell led by 18 with 16 minutes to go. Princeton switched to a 1-3-1 and the Big Red were lost on offense. The Tigers just slowly crept back into it from there.
Getting swept at the P's happens all the time. But the letting Tigers crawl back from down 18, and without their best player, is so frustrating. Columbia beat Penn and Dartmouth beat Brown last night, so we're looking at a logjam in the middle for the ILT. This would have been a nice win to get.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mountainredCornell blows an 18 point lead and Princeton hits a circus three at the horn to win 72-70. I didn't expect to win at Princeton, but this loss is galling.
the layup by noll was clean and the defense on the last possession was so good. forcing a 25 footer only to have it drop. i have no comment on anything else because i left for dinner with about an 8 point lead.
So. It was you.
Assuming the game goes forward, the Big Red travel to Yale for a single-ish game this Saturday. Yale was the pre-season favorite, are very well coached, and have a couple outstanding guards (Swain, Cotton), but they don't have their usual dominant bigs (now watch a youngster break out). Because of the holidays and Covid, they haven't played since 12/28 (a one-side loss at a really good St. Mary's team). But they haven't looked that impressive all season; they haven't won since 12/7, and arguably have beaten just one good team (UMass over two months ago). Of course, an Eli fan could say the same about Cornell's wins (Colgate is just 6-10, but at least they've started winning again). Yale has won the last 15 meetings, which is staggering. Sure they've been good, but damn! This would be a great one to steal on the road to balance out the Princeton collapse.
There is a Monday matinee against Columbia. The Lions have been brutal for most of the season, but they got their best player back and just knocked off Penn at the Palestra. Winning this one is pretty much mandatory to maintain realistic hopes of making the ILT.
hard to see the Columbia game given the forecast.. anywhere from 10-20 inches expected sun-mon around here, gonna be a tough travel day by bus for monday game.
6 of 16 free throws. Dreadful.
They've hit their last four from the line, so that's something right?
Ugly first half. Tons of fouls, horrid shooting and, of course, they are making Yale's bigs look good. No Jones and no Dolan, which is not helping, but it does not look good.
44-33 at the half.
Quote from: mountainredThey've hit their last four from the line, so that's something right?
Ugly first half. Tons of fouls, horrid shooting and, of course, they are making Yale's bigs look good. No Jones and no Dolan, which is not helping, but it does not look good.
44-33 at the half.
Starting to think that start of the season was a mix of weak teams and luck. I don't see Cornell doing very well this season with such a young team and no impactful bigs.
It's 80-55 -- someone else can watch the last 8 minutes.
6 of 26 on threes. Take it to the hoop and play basketball.
Quote from: upprdeckhard to see the Columbia game given the forecast.. anywhere from 10-20 inches expected sun-mon around here, gonna be a tough travel day by bus for monday game.
Called it. Team is off until Saturday when they play Harvard.
Harvard comes to town fresh off a one point win at Dartmouth. Two Harvard forwards have missed time; Chris Ledlum has missed the last two games and Mason Forbes has only played in one game. If they remain out, Harvard has a very short bench. They basically relied on 6 guys at Dartmouth, but one of those guys is Noah Kirkwood and he'll be easily the best player on the floor Saturday. The computers call this one pretty even, maybe even a small advantage to Cornell, but the computers haven't watched the last game and half. Half to hope that being at home will help and the Big Red's depth can play a role.
The men's hoops team played maybe their best half of the year, taking a 5 point halftime deficit and turning it into a 76-61 win over Harvard. Jordan Jones was back and led the team with 18 points. Other than being way too sloppy with the ball, and some of that is Harvard's quickness and length, the offense looked really good. They took open threes, but tried to work the ball inside and had 20 assists on 27 made FGs. Harvard was largely reduced to chucking up 3s; they took 34.
Really nice win.
Quote from: mountainredThe men's hoops team played maybe their best half of the year, taking a 5 point halftime deficit and turning it into a 76-61 win over Harvard. Jordan Jones was back and led the team with 18 points. Other than being way too sloppy with the ball, and some of that is Harvard's quickness and length, the offense looked really good. They took open threes, but tried to work the ball inside and had 20 assists on 27 made FGs. Harvard was largely reduced to chucking up 3s; they took 34.
Really nice win.
I watched a lot of this between the Harvard and Brown wrestling matches. Really fun to watch them hitting their shots.
So for those of us who are casual basketball fans, is the team on pace to make the Ivy tourney? i.e. did we lose any "earmarked wins" or Vice versa that would likely lead to a top 4 finish?
its gonna be tough an go.. losing the princ game hurts. Harvard we can catch. Dart/col we need to sweep. So if you take out Brown 4th is in the cards.
Quote from: upprdeckits gonna be tough an go.. losing the princ game hurts. Harvard we can catch. Dart/col we need to sweep. So if you take out Brown 4th is in the cards.
While we have a shot, losing the Princeton game on that desperation buzzer beater makes the road much harder. We probably will need to go 6-1 at home and 2-5 on the road to get there. As upperdeck said sweeping Col and Dar are likely musts, and it will be tough to do.
Quote from: upprdeckits gonna be tough an go.. losing the princ game hurts. Harvard we can catch. Dart/col we need to sweep. So if you take out Brown 4th is in the cards.
and to be clear, the princeton game wasn't an earmarked win until we carried a huge lead into the second half before falling apart... and then still retaking the lead past the buzzer... but a shot was still in the air.
https://twitter.com/CornellSports/status/1487098760706592772
Big one today. Looks to be shaping up as a race for the 4th playoff spot with Princeton Yale and Penn likely to make the tourney.
Quote from: CU2007Big one today. Looks to be shaping up as a race for the 4th playoff spot with Princeton Yale and Penn likely to make the tourney.
Shooting too many goddam threes. Take it to the hoop. Fritter away too many big leads by missing threes.
2 of 9 threes. 9 of 13 twos. This team can get inside.
hard to complain too much with a 43-25 halftime lead over Brown. rebounding and defending well.
Quote from: ugartehard to complain too much with a 43-25 halftime lead over Brown. rebounding and defending well.
I'm talking in general, not specifically today, but today's percentages make the point: 4 for 17 threes; 18 for 24 twos. 1.5 points scored per two shot. 0.7 points per three.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugartehard to complain too much with a 43-25 halftime lead over Brown. rebounding and defending well.
I'm talking in general, not specifically today, but today's percentages make the point: 4 for 17 threes; 18 for 24 twos. 1.5 points scored per two shot. 0.7 points per three.
well now that the lead is down to 8 i'm losing my mind. brown started pressing and the ball movement is hesitant and awkward with an inexplicable fondness for dribbling into traffic and passing in tight windows instead of a lot more off-ball movement and they are bricking all of the open looks.
ballhandlers are afraid to handle the ball and nobody moves to help so one guy after another gets trapped and now Brown is within 4 with around 5 minutes left. the big red pace doesn't work against pressure because they aren't skilled enough to run against a press without turning it over.
Quote from: ugarteballhandlers are afraid to handle the ball and nobody moves to help so one guy after another gets trapped and now Brown is within 4 with around 5 minutes left. the big red pace doesn't work against pressure because they aren't skilled enough to run against a press without turning it over.
tied with 3:17 left when it was still around 15 halfway through the second half. incredible.
Nice to escape with a league road win, but the team better learn something from that second half.
...and cornell wins after Brown ties it at 72 when Kobe Dickson gets his own rebound and lays it in with a tenth of a second remaining.
hilarious coaching from Brown. pressing gets them to come back from 18, they stop pressing and Cornell immediately starts scoring again. great final possession by Cornell; nearly got Patel to the line then a nice inbound to Dickson to set up the W.
https://twitter.com/CornellVideo/status/1487850439043334144
4 for 24 shooting threes. 0.5 points per attempt. No second half lead is safe.
Video also shows an almost deserted Pizzitola Sports Center at Brown. Box scores says A--225.
Quote from: billhowardVideo also shows an almost deserted Pizzitola Sports Center at Brown. Box scores says A--225.
an 11 AM game during a blizzard during a pandemic will deliver some strange numbers
Quote from: billhowardVideo also shows an almost deserted Pizzitola Sports Center at Brown. Box scores says A--225.
Cornell's average home attendance this year is 548 so we're not exactly in a position to comment.
Quote from: WederQuote from: billhowardVideo also shows an almost deserted Pizzitola Sports Center at Brown. Box scores says A--225.
Cornell's average home attendance this year is 548 so we're not exactly in a position to comment.
I love it when the NYTimes writes about D1 schools raking in millions in sports. The writers perhaps hated sports growing up, got beat up by jocks, never dated cheerleaders, and believe the major of NCAA schools, certainly the majority of D1 schools, are money factories. If those 225 in Providence paid an average of $5 a head, that would probably pay for the Cornell bus going back from Providence. No hotel, no meals, no coaches or trainers, no tape or sneakers.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: WederQuote from: billhowardVideo also shows an almost deserted Pizzitola Sports Center at Brown. Box scores says A--225.
Cornell's average home attendance this year is 548 so we're not exactly in a position to comment.
I love it when the NYTimes writes about D1 schools raking in millions in sports. The writers perhaps hated sports growing up, got beat up by jocks, never dated cheerleaders, and believe the major of NCAA schools, certainly the majority of D1 schools, are money factories. If those 225 in Providence paid an average of $5 a head, that would probably pay for the gas for the Cornell bus going back from Providence. No hotel, no meals, no coaches or trainers, no tape or sneakers.
FYP
Quote from: billhowardThe writers perhaps hated sports growing up, got beat up by jocks, never dated cheerleaders
Um. I'm never one to defend sportswriters, but (1) they are typically ex-jocks, and (2) writers don't dream of cheerleaders, they dream of the nerdy girl who also puts out.
Now, I'm not saying they date her, mind you. Typically they're too self-conscious to even meet her eyes. But their aim is higher than boobs on a stick. Leave the cheerleaders for the MBAs; they can babble to each other about People Magazine.
Princeton rematch is a wild one. Run and gun and very close about halfway through the first half. Still can't hit a 3.
I thought we were supposed to get the calls at home games? Officiating has seemed a bit rough to my eyes
Nice win.
Quote from: Ken711Nice win.
really makes the collapse in the first game feel more acute but if we make the top 4 it's all good
Quote from: Ken711Nice win.
Who is considered the best team in the league? Princeton?
That could be the win that gets us into the Ivy tourney
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Ken711Nice win.
Who is considered the best team in the league? Princeton?
That could be the win that gets us into the Ivy tourney
Yale has come on strong, so they're the likely favorite at the moment. But it's pretty wide open.
whoops
It wasn't a huge crowd, but that was the rowdiest Newman has sounded in some time.
Yale only has the loss to top 3 penn
Penn has the loss to top4 Pricn.. but last place Col
Prin has the loss to top 4 yale and cornell
Cornell has the loss top 4 yale/penn/princ
If we sweep Harvard we are in good shape if the other 3 continue to beat up the bottom 4.
still wondering how Penn lost to Col though.
It's basically 5 teams for 4 slots, unless you think Brown can win out. At least one projector (https://www.barttorvik.com/conf.php?conf=Ivy) has Cornell with the best odds for winning the Ivy League bid. Not sure I buy it, but it is fun to see.
One thing Cornell has going for it is two games left against last place Columbia (but as upprdeck said, the Lions did beat Penn). Harvard still has two games left to play against both Yale and Princeton, so their path is going to be difficult, but they host the ILT if they get there.
Sloppy start and wasting possessions on rushed threes.
Ugly start for both teams, with game tied at 8-8. Both offenses stagnant
Quote from: scoop85Ugly start for both teams, with game tied at 8-8. Both offenses stagnant
11 points in 10 minutes. Take it to the hoop. High percentage shots and draw fouls.
turned it on and heard "rally from 21 down" but Cornell is down 3 with .7 seconds left and Penn heading to the line as someone called a timeout so i'll check in later but assume this is over.
6 games left in the Reg season.. need to go 4-2 to end up 8-6
Harvard is 3-4 with games against Yale/Penn2x/Princ/Cornell. all ahead of them in the standings. they would need to go 5-2 so 3-2 against that group and still win the other 2.
Brown would have to run the table and thats not happening..
7-7 is where it gets Dicey
if we beat Harvard and still go 4-2 we are probably in. If we go 3-3 and beat Harvard probably in.
Flew under my radar, but I guess the make up game with Columbia was held this afternoon at Newman. Game flow made it look like a pretty comfortable win, 88-75.
yup.. i lost tracj of it as well.
Harvard lost to Yale which is a good result for us.
Quote from: semsoxFlew under my radar, but I guess the make up game with Columbia was held this afternoon at Newman. Game flow made it look like a pretty comfortable win, 88-75.
I watched the replay. Cornell, and especially Boothby, was red hot the 1st half and looked like it would be a blow out. But we cooled off the 2nd half and twice Columbia cut what was an 18 point lead to 3. But Dean Noll was rock solid and we were able to pull away toward the end.
Huge game at home Saturday against Brown.
Quote from: scoop85Huge game at home Saturday against Brown.
Not many sports, in most seasons, does one think of a Brown-Cornell game as crucial.
Okay, maybe in Ultimate.
Ugh. Brown gets payback with a putback slam with 3 seconds left to win by a point in Ithaca in a fun seesaw game.
With under a minute left Cornell took a one point lead on a 3 by Manon, then got a clean steal from Noll. Alas, Manon gave Brown the ball back and sent Brown to the line on a clumsy turnover / foul when he stumbled on a drive with ~30 seconds left. Dickson scored to get Cornell the lead back with ~14 seconds left. The defense forced a bad Brown shot but Ganey - the biggest player on the floor, I think - skied above everyone for a highlight reel jam and Cornell couldn't get upcourt cleanly for a last shot.
Brown's offensive rebounding was a difference and Cornell's interior defense has been its Achilles Heel all season. Cornell's offense is as good as anyone's in the Ivy League but it gets caught up in trading baskets. Manon is getting better at passing off when he drives but that late game turnover was a killer.
down the stretch
cornell Harv/Yale/Dart/Col
Have to win at least 2.. 7-7
Beating Harvard and going 3-1 would make it 8-6
Harv has 5 left cornell/prin2x/col/dart
4-1 would be the top of them i suspect 7-7
3-2 makes them 6-8
Brown has Prin/penn/yale/col.
going 2-2 would be most likely and ending up 6-8
beating 2 of the top teams and going 3-1 gets them to 7-7
if cornell beats harvard and then beats one of the lower 2 thats 7-7 and knocks out harvard most likely as well
What are tie breakers for the 4 spot if we end up tied?
Quote from: CU2007What are tie breakers for the 4 spot if we end up tied?
The tied teams play a best three out of five, three-on-three half-court tournament. If unresolved, consecutive rounds of H-O-R-S-E. If still not resolved, rock-paper-scissors.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007What are tie breakers for the 4 spot if we end up tied?
The tied teams play a best three out of five, three-on-three half-court tournament. If unresolved, consecutive rounds of H-O-R-S-E. If still not resolved, rock-paper-scissors.
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How about a dunking contest?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: CU2007What are tie breakers for the 4 spot if we end up tied?
The tied teams play a best three out of five, three-on-three half-court tournament. If unresolved, consecutive rounds of H-O-R-S-E. If still not resolved, rock-paper-scissors.
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How about a dunking contest?
As long as they're dunking into Fair-Trade coffee.
George64's tie-braker is as sensible as any. Probably more.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: CU2007What are tie breakers for the 4 spot if we end up tied?
The tied teams play a best three out of five, three-on-three half-court tournament. If unresolved, consecutive rounds of H-O-R-S-E. If still not resolved, rock-paper-scissors.
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How about a dunking contest?
Please NO! Let us not degrade further into judged events. It is why I find half of the Olympics unwatchable. Can someone explain why they have to have judging for style in Ski Jumping?
Quote from: nshapiroPlease NO! Let us not degrade further into judged events. It is why I find half of the Olympics unwatchable. Can someone explain why they have to have judging for style in Ski Jumping?
The Olympics are unwatchable because there's no second audio channel (SAP) that has neutral announcers. Even worse are the up-close-and-personal profiles. I don't think you can be on the U.S. team unless you or your family has worked through a personal tragedy and let a video crew traipse through the house. If NBC does an up-close on a German, he or she must be a model or heir to some Prussian title that fell into disrepute, and they're photogenic.
They judge style in ski jumping? Surely you put that in to see if we read the entire thread. It wasn't until recently that I knew if Monobob meant a single occupant or a single sled-runner. At least, and I checked, I haven't seen a headline, What About Monobob?, but maybe it's early innings for the media.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: nshapiroPlease NO! Let us not degrade further into judged events. It is why I find half of the Olympics unwatchable. Can someone explain why they have to have judging for style in Ski Jumping?
The Olympics are unwatchable because there's no second audio channel (SAP) that has neutral announcers. Even worse are the up-close-and-personal profiles. I don't think you can be on the U.S. team unless you or your family has worked through a personal tragedy and let a video crew traipse through the house. If NBC does an up-close on a German, he or she must be a model or heir to some Prussian title that fell into disrepute, and they're photogenic.
They judge style in ski jumping? Surely you put that in to see if we read the entire thread. It wasn't until recently that I knew if Monobob meant a single occupant or a single sled-runner. At least, and I checked, I haven't seen a headline, What About Monobob?, but maybe it's early innings for the media.
Honestly, they take distance and adjust it with style points in ski jumping. I agree that it is unwatchable live, for all the reasons you say. I DVR it and fast-forward to the actual competition.
unfortunately, in a text thread, it makes no sense to add "and don't call me Shirley".
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: nshapiroPlease NO! Let us not degrade further into judged events. It is why I find half of the Olympics unwatchable. Can someone explain why they have to have judging for style in Ski Jumping?
The Olympics are unwatchable because there's no second audio channel (SAP) that has neutral announcers. Even worse are the up-close-and-personal profiles. I don't think you can be on the U.S. team unless you or your family has worked through a personal tragedy and let a video crew traipse through the house. If NBC does an up-close on a German, he or she must be a model or heir to some Prussian title that fell into disrepute, and they're photogenic.
They judge style in ski jumping? Surely you put that in to see if we read the entire thread. It wasn't until recently that I knew if Monobob meant a single occupant or a single sled-runner. At least, and I checked, I haven't seen a headline, What About Monobob?, but maybe it's early innings for the media.
Allegedly there are internet streams which just give you the event audio and a crawl with the times, names, and standings, and zero commenters, to avoid all the infantile and jingoistic network inanity.
some sports there are multiple broadcasts as well.. there is a NBC feed a Peackock/Olympic channel feed. often a feed with no talk for some events.
I dont find most feeds that biased compared to feeds from other countries because they reality is the broadcast in the US is for 2 things.. One is for promoting the US athletes and is for promoting the sport.. the US is good in some sports and not others and in many of those the US is just the token presence in the broadcast which is fine.. if my kid made a sport I would hope they made a broadcast and got some kind of shout out.
why would you not want this to happen for these people they put in a lot of work to get to an event that happens every 4 yrs and for most no financial gain at the other end. you want to complain the family gets a small 5 min window?
are you thinking every country does this different?
Quote from: upprdecksome sports there are multiple broadcasts as well.. there is a NBC feed a Peackock/Olympic channel feed. often a feed with no talk for some events.
I dont find most feeds that biased compared to feeds from other countries because they reality is the broadcast in the US is for 2 things.. One is for promoting the US athletes and is for promoting the sport.. the US is good in some sports and not others and in many of those the US is just the token presence in the broadcast which is fine.. if my kid made a sport I would hope they made a broadcast and got some kind of shout out.
why would you not want this to happen for these people they put in a lot of work to get to an event that happens every 4 yrs and for most no financial gain at the other end. you want to complain the family gets a small 5 min window?
are you thinking every country does this different?
I like to watch sports, not watch biographies, or people talking about sports. I turn on the super bowl at kickoff, not for the pre-game.
Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007What are tie breakers for the 4 spot if we end up tied?
The tied teams play a best three out of five, three-on-three half-court tournament. If unresolved, consecutive rounds of H-O-R-S-E. If still not resolved, rock-paper-scissors.
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LOL
Quote from: upprdeckif my kid made a sport I would hope they made a broadcast and got some kind of shout out.
Of course you would; we all would want that for our kid.
That's the problem. The Olympics are very close to the golden rule of socializing: the only thing more boring than somebody else's fantasy football team is somebody else's kids.
Quote from: upprdeckthe reality is the broadcast in the US is for 2 things.. One is for promoting the US athletes and is for promoting the sport.
You forgot the main reason: Selling advertising.
Cornell was up by 2 at the half in Hanover but have completely fallen apart in the second half. Down by 10 now.
Gross game so far. For us being so up tempo, just putrid possessions in the 2nd half. I think we should be even more aggressive.
Cornell fights back to go up 55-53 then gives up back-to-back corner threes and Dartmouth closes on an 18-4 run and wins 71-59.
Quote from: ugarteCornell fights back to go up 55-53 then gives up back-to-back corner threes and Dartmouth closes on an 18-4 run and wins 71-59.
That's all she wrote, post season hopes over. Cornell started the season well but fades at the end.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteCornell fights back to go up 55-53 then gives up back-to-back corner threes and Dartmouth closes on an 18-4 run and wins 71-59.
That's all she wrote, post season hopes over. Cornell started the season well but fades at the end.
That's not true? Beat Harvard tomorrow and we're back in fourth.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteCornell fights back to go up 55-53 then gives up back-to-back corner threes and Dartmouth closes on an 18-4 run and wins 71-59.
That's all she wrote, post season hopes over. Cornell started the season well but fades at the end.
Ken I love your passion in the Football thread but this isn't true. The season probably comes down to tomorrow. If we lose, it's probably over. But if we win, most likely 1-1 next weekend (with easy on paper Columbia as one game) should get us in.
Now we're in trouble
Quote from: CU2007Now we're in trouble
No half-court offense.
all that hard work for nothin...
It's officially all she wrote now. Cornell has been struggling the last two months, I don't know it's injuries or that teams have scouted Cornell enough now that they can defend against the Big Red better.
no really over.. we neat columbia and harvard loses to princeton twice and we win that h2h. Harvard might also lose to Dartmouth who knows.
Disappointing how league play has gone, but have to say, I think this team has still exceeded my expectations overall. And with the play of the underclassmen, have to think the next few years we'll be pretty competitive.
Quote from: semsoxDisappointing how league play has gone, but have to say, I think this team has still exceeded my expectations overall. And with the play of the underclassmen, have to think the next few years we'll be pretty competitive.
Yes, they are young team that should develop even more in the future. I hope they be able to recruit more size in the front court going forward though.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: semsoxDisappointing how league play has gone, but have to say, I think this team has still exceeded my expectations overall. And with the play of the underclassmen, have to think the next few years we'll be pretty competitive.
Yes, they are young team that should develop even more in the future. I hope they be able to recruit more size in the front court going forward though.
About a month or so ago, someone posted here that they've signed 2 6'5" players. Years ago they would have been centers on most college teams. These days, most blue-chip guards are that size.
I didnt work too hard to look if its possible, but first glance i can see a 3 way tie at for first and 4 way tie for 4th in the books.
cornell loses to yale beat col 6-8
harv loses to Prin 2x beats dart 6-8
dart beats penn loses to harv/yale 6-8
brown beats Yale/Col 6-8
that makes
Yale 10-4
penn 10-4
princ 11-3. i guess.. so close..
better results for CU though.
cornell splits 6-8
Harv loses to Prin2x and Dart 5-9
Brown loses to yale or col 5-9
Dart beats Hard and loses to penn/yale 5-9
Princ winning the Ivies also means Harv could beat Dart and we win that tie breaker if its h2h and then who beats the top team and so on..
Cornell chances pretty simple now..
They beat Col
Princ beats Harv twice this weekend
yale beats Brown
They split with everyone so as long as none of those teams beat one of the top 3, Cornell wins the Tiebreaker as we beat Princeton
Quote from: upprdeckCornell chances pretty simple now..
They beat Col
Princ beats Harv twice this weekend
yale beats Brown
They split with everyone so as long as none of those teams beat one of the top 3, Cornell wins the Tiebreaker as we beat Princeton
Cornell M Basketball still wins the tiebreaker over Football for most recruiting advancement past 5 years.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckCornell chances pretty simple now..
They beat Col
Princ beats Harv twice this weekend
yale beats Brown
They split with everyone so as long as none of those teams beat one of the top 3, Cornell wins the Tiebreaker as we beat Princeton
Cornell M Basketball still wins the tiebreaker over Football for most recruiting advancement past 5 years.
But which will happen sooner - Cornell Football winning an outright Ivy title, or Cornell Hockey winning the NCAA Title...and will either happen in our lifetime?
fball would have more of a chance if they had something to play for beyond an ivy title i suspect.
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckCornell chances pretty simple now..
They beat Col
Princ beats Harv twice this weekend
yale beats Brown
They split with everyone so as long as none of those teams beat one of the top 3, Cornell wins the Tiebreaker as we beat Princeton
Cornell M Basketball still wins the tiebreaker over Football for most recruiting advancement past 5 years.
But which will happen sooner - Cornell Football winning an outright Ivy title, or Cornell Hockey winning the NCAA Title...and will either happen in our lifetime?
I vote hockey. Set up a poll!
Quote from: nshapiroBut which will happen sooner - Cornell Football winning an outright Ivy title, or Cornell Hockey winning the NCAA Title...and will either happen in our lifetime?
Unless there's a coaching change, I'd bet on hockey. I'm almost 80 and I'm optimistic that I'll be around to see it. I was at the War Memorial in Syracuse and at Lake Placid. Might have happened in 2020, but for COVID. I matriculated in 1960, and I'm still waiting for an outright Ivy football championship.
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Princeton beats Harvard tonight 74-67. That's good news for us.
Quote from: upprdeckCornell chances pretty simple now..
They beat Col
Princ beats Harv twice this weekend
yale beats Brown
They split with everyone so as long as none of those teams beat one of the top 3, Cornell wins the Tiebreaker as we beat Princeton
Are you forgetting we have a game with Yale before Colombia? We just need to win
yup. need 1 more tomorrow..
cornell has 2 shots to get that 1 win as well.. if they beat yale then harvard has to win out to beat them as down brown.
Coming down to the wire against Yale. Nursing a 7 point lead at the under 4 in the 2nd half.
Quote from: semsoxComing down to the wire against Yale. Nursing a 7 point lead at the under 4 in the 2nd half.
9 point lead under 2 min.
Tried really hard in the last minute to blow that game. Great win though.
Huge win. Great work. I can't believe that I don't think I can go to Columbia. I haven't missed this game in a long time but I don't think I'm going to be able to make it.
Anyone know what the tiebreaker situation is? Are we now "win and in"?
Quote from: CU2007Anyone know what the tiebreaker situation is? Are we now "win and in"?
from what i can tell, we are 1-1 H2H. Against the top of the conference we are 2-4 and they are 0-5. Might be win and in.
we get in if we win or Harvard loses 1. we have 2 wins vs prin/yale and none of the other 3 can get to that. Harv could win both and beat us
Harvard loses to Princeton and are eliminated from Ivy Tourney contention.
Quote from: CU2007Harvard loses to Princeton and are eliminated from Ivy Tourney contention.
Harvard with a pair of free throws with 18 seconds left to take the lead; Princeton layup with 6 seconds left to take it back. 74-73 Princeton. I think this means it's over-over and Cornell clinches the 4 seed.
Taking a look at the tiebreaker (https://ivyleague.com/sports/2022/2/17/MBB_0217222638.aspx) scenarios with Dartmouth, Brown and Harvard at 6-8.
The tiebreaker rules are:
Quote from: ivyleague.comIn the case of a two-way tie between teams in the final standings, the following process will be used until all ties are broken and the seeding process is completed (ties will be broken in rank order beginning with the highest seed):
Head-to-head competition – The higher seed will go to the team that has won the most League contests played against the other teams involved in the tie.
If a tie still exists, the tie will be broken by comparing each team's record against the highest seed outside of the tie and continuing through the full league standings (if there is a group of tied teams, use each team's record against the group rather than the individual teams) if necessary.
If a tie still exists, an average of the most recent ratings indices identified in advance by the coaches (e.g., Men: Sagarin, Ken Pom, BPI and NCAA Net/Women: NCAA Net) will be utilized to determine the higher seed.
If a tie still persists, a draw will be conducted by the Executive Director
Harvard - H2H split; Cornell 1-1 against Yale and Princeton; Harvard 0-2 vs both.
Cornell advances.Dartmouth - H2H split; Cornell 1-1 against Yale and Princeton; Dartmouth 0-2 vs both.
Cornell advances.Brown - H2H split; Cornell 1-1 against Yale and Princeton; Brown 0-2 vs Princeton, 0-1 vs Yale.
Cornell advances.Quote from: ivyleague.comIn the case of a multiple team tie (more than two teams tied for the same spot), the following process will be used: Note: Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining seeds shall be determined on a basis on head-to-head competition.
Records between the tied teams – The higher seed will go to the team that has won the most League contests against the other teams tied at that spot.
If a tie still exists, the tie will be broken by comparing each team's record against the highest seed outside of the tie and continuing through the full league standings (if there is a group of tied teams, use each team's record against the group rather than the individual teams) if necessary.
If a tie still exists, an average of the most recent ratings indices identified in advance by the coaches (e.g., Men: Sagarin, Ken Pom, BPI and NCAA Net/Women: NCAA Net) will be utilized to determine the higher seed.
If a tie still persists, a draw will be conducted by the Executive Director
C-B-H All 1-1 against each other. Cornell's 2 wins against Princeton and Yale better than Brown's potential 1 and Harvard's 0.
Cornell advances.C-B-D All 1-1 against each other. Cornell's 2 wins against Princeton and Yale better than Dartmouth's 0.
Cornell advances.C-H-D impossible because H&D play each other to close the season; one will finish 5-9. This also precludes a 4-way tie.
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I can't imagine anyone expected this team in the ILT before the season started. I'm very happy with how this team came together
For the people paying the closest attention... is Isaiah Gray hurt? He seems to have been dropped from the rotation.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteCornell fights back to go up 55-53 then gives up back-to-back corner threes and Dartmouth closes on an 18-4 run and wins 71-59.
That's all she wrote, post season hopes over. Cornell started the season well but fades at the end.
Reading through this thread from 1-2 weeks ago is pretty fun.
Quote from: Ken711It's officially all she wrote now. Cornell has been struggling the last two months, I don't know it's injuries or that teams have scouted Cornell enough now that they can defend against the Big Red better.
Official. :-)
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711It's officially all she wrote now. Cornell has been struggling the last two months, I don't know it's injuries or that teams have scouted Cornell enough now that they can defend against the Big Red better.
Official. :-)
Officially wrong for sure, let the tourney begin! ::innocent::
Quote from: ugarteHuge win. Great work. I can't believe that I don't think I can go to Columbia. I haven't missed this game in a long time but I don't think I'm
going to be able to make it.
Actually do think I can go to Columbia. Still not sure if I will because (a) we clinched and (b) EIWA wrestling tournament at the same time. Gameday call.
2 wins from the dance? Who'd have thunk?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ugarteHuge win. Great work. I can't believe that I don't think I can go to Columbia. I haven't missed this game in a long time but I don't think I'm
going to be able to make it.
Actually do think I can go to Columbia. Still not sure if I will because (a) we clinched and (b) EIWA wrestling tournament at the same time. Gameday call.
Well, one less decision to make since the Ivy League Tournament is being held at Harvard this year.
Relatedly, going to this game would be a short drive for me, but I am having a bit of sticker shock, as a single bleacher ticket is $55? Seems like they're obviously steering people to the bundle, where all 3 games costs... :::checks notes::: $150. Does the league just not want people to attend this?
Cornell has now beaten Princ once and a good shot the other time. also beat Yale once..
Might want to see Prin win this thing and have Yale take out Penn..
Quote from: semsoxRelatedly, going to this game would be a short drive for me, but I am having a bit of sticker shock, as a single bleacher ticket is $55? Seems like they're obviously steering people to the bundle, where all 3 games costs... :::checks notes::: $150. Does the league just not want people to attend this?
a) Ivy Leaguers are affluent. For the most part.
b) Ivy League Sports doing its part to promote responsible, limited attendance.
Tix for Lake Placid ice hockey: https://lakeplacidlegacysites.com/event/ecac-mens-hockey-championship/
Adult Single Day | $40
Adult All Tournament Pass | $60
Junior/Senior Single Day | $35
Junior/Senior All Tournament Pass | $50
Adult Ages: 13-64 | Junior Ages: 12 & Under | Senior Ages: 65 & Over. (I thought there was a student price as well.)
Chrissakes, who writes this prose? The only thing absent is "be sure not to miss..."
Quote from: ECAC promoIf you like the excitement and fast action of hockey, there is no place better to see it than Lake Placid, New York–the Winter Sports Capital of the World!* Come see the best in the NCAA Division I Ice Hockey Schools from the Eastern College Athletic Conference compete for the ECAC championship title.
* Among towns population < 3,000
JFC it's 6 degrees in Placid right now.
Play the ECACs in Vegas.
Quote from: TrotskyJFC it's 6 degrees in Placid right now.
Play the ECACs in Vegas.
Of course I argue winter weather for winter sports, but what do I know? I guess I'm the weirdo who can actually exist without complaining in cold climates.
Quote from: TrotskyJFC it's 6 degrees in Placid right now.
Play the ECACs in Vegas.
Oh, fuck no!
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyJFC it's 6 degrees in Placid right now.
Play the ECACs in Vegas.
Of course I argue winter weather for winter sports, but what do I know? I guess I'm the weirdo who can actually exist without complaining in cold climates.
Yeah, how hard is it to wear a hat, coat, and scarf? If you really can't take it, wear long underwear.
6 degrees is nothing.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyJFC it's 6 degrees in Placid right now.
Play the ECACs in Vegas.
Of course I argue winter weather for winter sports, but what do I know? I guess I'm the weirdo who can actually exist without complaining in cold climates.
Yeah, how hard is it to wear a hat, coat, and scarf? If you really can't take it, wear long underwear.
6 degrees is nothing.
And it will probably be up to the teens by the tournament.
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyJFC it's 6 degrees in Placid right now.
Play the ECACs in Vegas.
Of course I argue winter weather for winter sports, but what do I know? I guess I'm the weirdo who can actually exist without complaining in cold climates.
Yeah, how hard is it to wear a hat, coat, and scarf? If you really can't take it, wear long underwear.
6 degrees is nothing.
And it will probably be up to the teens by the tournament.
and they play indoors
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyJFC it's 6 degrees in Placid right now.
Play the ECACs in Vegas.
Of course I argue winter weather for winter sports, but what do I know? I guess I'm the weirdo who can actually exist without complaining in cold climates.
By definition, "winter weather" in Vegas is whatever the weather is in Vegas right now, and it will continue to be "winter weather" until March 20 (https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/seasons.html?n=127).
anyway i'm going to columbia-cornell even though it doesn't matter unless it's sold out lol
its gonna be 50 here this weekend.. it may well be that warm in placed in 3 weeks..
Ski Whiteface and then go to the hockey games. Or take a bobsled ride, go skating, go snowshoeing, etc. All kinds of great things to do in Lake Placid.
Quote from: cth95Ski Whiteface and then go to the hockey games. Or take a bobsled ride, go skating, go snowshoeing, etc. All kinds of great things to do in Lake Placid.
You are never more than a 3-minute walk from a bar downtown. The speed-skating oval (outdoors) is open again. Skate first, drink later. By March 18, pond hockey on Mirror Lake (the one right in town) is probably shut down.
Even though this discussion about LP is in the Men's Hoops thread, I would think we may want to hold off on these kinds of discussions until after March 13. The woofing gods have a way of sneaking up on us....
Just sayin....
nice finish to the reg season..
Quote from: upprdecknice finish to the reg season..
Definitely. If we could hit layups we'd have won by 40. Columbia can't shoot at all.
11am game vs Princeton @ harvard.. about all you could ask for to get a shot at the finals.. lots of tickets available
Brian Earl wins Ivy Coach of the Year award.
Quote2022 ALL-IVY LEAGUE MEN'S BASKETBALL
PLAYER OF THE YEAR
*Tosan Evbuomwan, Princeton (Jr., F – Newcastle, England)
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Jaylan Gainey, Brown (Sr., F – Greensboro, N.C.)
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Kino Lilly Jr., Brown (Fr., G – Glenn Dale, Md.)
COACH OF THE YEAR
Brian Earl, Cornell
FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY
*Noah Kirkwood, Harvard (Sr., G – Ottawa, Ontario)
*Jordan Dingle, Penn (So., G – Valley Stream, N.Y.)
*Tosan Evbuomwan, Princeton (Jr., F – Newcastle, England)
*Azar Swain, Yale (Sr., G – Brockton, Mass.)
Jaelin Llewellyn, Princeton (Sr., G – Mississauga, Ontario)
SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY^
Tamenang Choh, Brown (Gr., F – Lowell, Mass.)
Jalen Gabbidon, Yale (Sr., G – Harrisburg, Pa.)
Ethan Wright, Princeton (Sr., G – Newton Centre, Mass.)=
Brendan Barry, Dartmouth (5th., G – Fair Haven, N.J.)
Jaylan Gainey, Brown (Sr., F – Greensboro, N.C.)
Dean Noll, Cornell (Sr., G – Medford, N.J.)
HONORABLE MENTION
Aaryn Rai, Dartmouth (5th, F – Markham, Ontario)
Quote from: Ken711COACH OF THE YEAR
Brian Earl, Cornell
He's going to be recruited. Just feel it. Somebody wants to get him before he, like, wins the Ivies in '24 and some mid-major has to pay even more.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711COACH OF THE YEAR
Brian Earl, Cornell
He's going to be recruited. Just feel it. Somebody wants to get him before he, like, wins the Ivies in '24 and some mid-major has to pay even more.
Then again, he could see what happened when Steve Donahue left Cornell for BC, which didn't turn out so great.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711COACH OF THE YEAR
Brian Earl, Cornell
He's going to be recruited. Just feel it. Somebody wants to get him before he, like, wins the Ivies in '24 and some mid-major has to pay even more.
Then again, he could see what happened when Steve Donahue left Cornell for BC, which didn't turn out so great.
Got a massive raise and then took the helm at Penn? People have had worse lives.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711COACH OF THE YEAR
Brian Earl, Cornell
He's going to be recruited. Just feel it. Somebody wants to get him before he, like, wins the Ivies in '24 and some mid-major has to pay even more.
Then again, he could see what happened when Steve Donahue left Cornell for BC, which didn't turn out so great.
Got a massive raise and then took the helm at Penn? People have had worse lives.
It did work out for him in the end, didn't it. I'm sure he'd love to be the head coach of his alma mater Princeton.
Yuck. Too many threes. Princeton can't miss 'em. Cornell can't make 'em.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioYuck. Too many threes. Princeton can't miss 'em. Cornell can't make 'em.
yeah getting ugly fast but the Tigers' interior D isn't great so we're still in it.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioYuck. Too many threes. Princeton can't miss 'em. Cornell can't make 'em.
yeah getting ugly fast but the Tigers' interior D isn't great so we're still in it.
Now doubled up at 32-16. Princeton's top 2 guys are the best 2 guys on the floor, they aren't missing from 3, and we can't hit anything outside the paint. Not a good combination.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioYuck. Too many threes. Princeton can't miss 'em. Cornell can't make 'em.
yeah getting ugly fast but the Tigers' interior D isn't great so we're still in it.
Now doubled up at 32-16. Princeton's top 2 guys are the best 2 guys on the floor, they aren't missing from 3, and we can't hit anything outside the paint. Not a good combination.
But with 30 seconds left in the half we're within 5. Post the good news too!
Patel missed an open 3 that would have been nice as I was typing. And Mannon missed from half-court at the buzzer. Still 5 at the half.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Al DeFlorioYuck. Too many threes. Princeton can't miss 'em. Cornell can't make 'em.
yeah getting ugly fast but the Tigers' interior D isn't great so we're still in it.
Now doubled up at 32-16. Princeton's top 2 guys are the best 2 guys on the floor, they aren't missing from 3, and we can't hit anything outside the paint. Not a good combination.
But with 30 seconds left in the half we're within 5. Post the good news too! Patel missed an open 3 that would have been nice.
I was just coming back here to say that despite Princeton's insane start, we're hanging in. We just had 4 cracks to cut it to 3, but couldn't convert.
Now a great block by Ragland, and we're down 5 at the half. Terrific effort by our guys.
Keep pressure on to limit open threes.
have to hope they just hit a few jump shots the 2nd half to go along with the effort. cornell 45/20 vs prin 60/55 . hopefully Prince cant shoot that well all game.
24-5 streak
Down 1, we're playing well. If we could just hit our layups ...
Quote from: scoop85Down 1, we're playing well. If we could just hit our layups ...
Right!
Lax up 5-0 late first. Zero shots for Tambronis.
CUup 67-66; 6:30 left. Very entertaining game.
Keep missing layups.
Need a defensive rebound.
Terrible time to forget how to rebound
The color guy, who's a Princeton alum, is a shameless homer. It's one thing to be that way on the home stream, but this is not that.
Can't stop the big man.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan't stop the big man.
Nope. Unanimous POY for a reason
that last sequence really hurt not getting one rebound.. didnt help the refs swallowed the whistle on the clear off foul and then ignored the kid getting the rebound and walking halfway across the court with the ball.
but good effort
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan't stop the big man.
Nope. Unanimous POY for a reason
Not him. The tall guy. Layup after layup. Size matters.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan't stop the big man.
Nope. Unanimous POY for a reason
Not him. The tall guy. Layup after layup. Size matters.
Tosan, not Llewellyn, was POY
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan't stop the big man.
Nope. Unanimous POY for a reason
Not him. The tall guy. Layup after layup. Size matters.
Tosan, not Llewellyn, was POY
Geez. He looked awful in the first half.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan't stop the big man.
Nope. Unanimous POY for a reason
Not him. The tall guy. Layup after layup. Size matters.
Tosan, not Llewellyn, was POY
Geez. He looked awful in the first half.
He did, but he had a monster 2nd half.
We are aware our Achilles heal is our lack of beef inside, and while we have some nice recruits coming in, none is over 6'6". Maybe we'll get someone through the transfer portal.
Goddamn that was close. Needed a rebound late. Can't really complain about the lack of a foul call if only because they weren't calling fouls inside all game. Don't know what next year will look like but this was a fun team.
I didn't think the Princeton guy was much of a homer. He clearly wanted them to win but he didn't seem to be calling a biased game.
Attended the game in person, and as mentioned, the lack of rebounding at the end killed us. I went in with no expectations, but definitely let myself start believing until it fell away in the last 30 seconds. I don't think it made a difference, but did feel the officiating favored Princeton (I think they had only been called for 3 fouls total with about 5 minutes left in the 2nd). Other highlight of the game was Jeff Foote was honored as a legend of Ivy League basketball during one of the media timeouts, and he was in attendance with Wittman and Dale. Great memories.
Also started making some memories by taking my little guy to his first (of hopefully many more) Cornell sporting events. Don't think he was as disappointed in the game as I was, since he slept through the last 7 minutes of game time.
CBI? CIT?
Quote from: semsoxOther highlight of the game was Jeff Foote was honored as a legend of Ivy League basketball during one of the media timeouts, and he was in attendance with Wittman and Dale. Great memories.
The should have asked Jeff to suit up--I understand they needed size this weekend.
I hope that all of the Big Three from the Sweet 16 team (Foote, Wittman, Dale) are doing well--I agree, semsox, they provided great memories for Cornell fans.
I wish I had a picture like that from 2010, but the Carrier Dome wanted to charge my then-18-month-old for a full-price ticket.
Looking back at how much that 18-month-old has cost me in hockey, I should have just taken him to the damn basketball game.
Quote from: Greenberg '97I wish I had a picture like that from 2010, but the Carrier Dome wanted to charge my then-18-month-old for a full-price ticket.
Looking back at how much that 18-month-old has cost me in hockey, I should have just taken him to the damn basketball game.
not sure.. but no way the Dome was charging you for a ticket for a child like that,
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: Greenberg '97I wish I had a picture like that from 2010, but the Carrier Dome wanted to charge my then-18-month-old for a full-price ticket.
Looking back at how much that 18-month-old has cost me in hockey, I should have just taken him to the damn basketball game.
not sure.. but no way the Dome was charging you for a ticket for a child like that,
Way. The ticket agent was very clear - every attendee, regardless of age, required a ticket. I even remember asking someone at the game with a lap infant. Sure enough, the kid needed a ticket.
Looks like that policy has been relaxed since Ticketmaster took over. I guess when they're charging a 50% convenience fee, they can afford to let a few babies in the door for "free."
yeah. but that was the ncaa game you are talking about i thought? Dome had no control over any of that, Since i have been going to games there for 30+ years pretty much anyone under 3-4 did not need a ticket.
Whoever made the decision, it sucked. Left the wife and kid back at the hotel and solo'ed it.
Quote from: ugarteCBI? CIT?
Anyone have any details? cornellbigred.com says nothing. I thought for sure we'd get invited to one of the "other" tournaments. I know Princeton is going to the NIT.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: ugarteCBI? CIT? The Basketball Classic?
Anyone have any details? cornellbigred.com says nothing. I thought for sure we'd get invited to one of the "other" tournaments. I know Princeton is going to the NIT.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_The_Basketball_Classic) seems to think Cornell was invited, however, there's a one-team discrepancy between that list and this schedule of games (https://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/schedule-results.php), which notes that Wofford's opponent forfeited due to COVID-19.
Any bets on how that played out?
Quote from: Greenberg '97Quote from: djk26Quote from: ugarteCBI? CIT? The Basketball Classic?
Anyone have any details? cornellbigred.com says nothing. I thought for sure we'd get invited to one of the "other" tournaments. I know Princeton is going to the NIT.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_The_Basketball_Classic) seems to think Cornell was invited, however, there's a one-team discrepancy between that list and this schedule of games (https://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/schedule-results.php), which notes that Wofford's opponent forfeited due to COVID-19.
Any bets on how that played out?
I don't see Cornell on the wiki. they don't seem able to fill the bracket.
Edited out about 8 minutes ago. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_The_Basketball_Classic&diff=1077168499&oldid=1077160416)
Good ol' Wikipedia.
"Forfited" lol this tournament is a train wreck.
Saw on Twitter that Jordan Jones has entered the transfer portal. I'm assuming he has 2 years of eligibility remaining. He's a good mid-major player, but if he's looking to play for a power conference I don't see him as a starter at that level.
A shame if he goes. Was looking forward to watching him play next year. Patel, Noll, and Dickson have an extra year to use elsewhere also. Am a little concerned about future of Ivies. It is starting to look like a farm system for the bigs. Cornell, Penn, and Brown have been pushing for graduate student eligibility but it just voted down again by the Ivy Prexies (For rules to change it has to be a 6-2 vote) according to The Dartmouth. I wish the Ivy athletes could form a union to push back against the anti-athletic policies that are set by the league. The latest is the 25% reduction in football recruiting classes that is upcoming.
Quote from: rss77A shame if he goes. Was looking forward to watching him play next year. Patel, Noll, and Dickson have an extra year to use elsewhere also. Am a little concerned about future of Ivies. It is starting to look like a farm system for the bigs. Cornell, Penn, and Brown have been pushing for graduate student eligibility but it just voted down again by the Ivy Prexies (For rules to change it has to be a 6-2 vote) according to The Dartmouth. I wish the Ivy athletes could form a union to push back against the anti-athletic policies that are set by the league. The latest is the 25% reduction in football recruiting classes that is upcoming.
What a joke. An athletic league that does not support athletics or its athletes. Did The Dartmouth say what the vote was?
Jimmy Boeheim works on his NBA degree before he sees where his one from Cornell takes him.
By Stefan Bondy NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Jimmy Boeheim is tabling his Ivy League degree and future in finance for his dream of professional basketball.
That dream brought him Thursday to Tarrytown, where Boeheim, the son of legendary Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, worked out for the Knicks at their practice facility with a group of five other draft-eligible prospects.
Boeheim, who played last season for his father after graduating from Cornell, will likely go undrafted later this month. But he's willing to play in the G League or overseas.
It's less stable, but probably more exciting than the paths of his Cornell classmates.
"A lot of them are in the City doing stuff in finance. It's good for them," he said. "Right now I'm hoping I don't' have to use my degree for a while. I'm just enjoying this game, seeing how far it'll take me."
Jimmy, 24, a 6-foot-8 forward, is viewed as the lesser prospect of the Boeheim brothers, with Buddy, the younger sibling by 18 months, projected as a possible second-round pick because of a top-level 3-point shot.
The brothers were key contributors to Syracuse's 16-17 season, which ended controversially for Buddy because he was suspended for the final game after hitting a Florida State player in the stomach.
Buddy previously worked out for the Knicks, according to college basketball reporter Adam Zagoria, and Jimmy said Thursday his game has benefited from practicing with his brother.
"He's a great shooter, for sure," Jimmy said. "That's been an area of focus to build on my shot. I've come a long way and it feels great right now. So it's about continuing getting more consistent. It's great when you can shoot with one of the best shooters in the country every day in my brother."
Jimmy was forced to take a year off from basketball because the Ivy League shut down its entire season of 2021-22 amid the pandemic. He then graduated from Cornell with a finance degree and transferred to Syracuse for his final year of eligibility, averaging 13.4 points over 33 games while proving capable of producing in a major conference.
He also had to learn a new name for his father.
"It was a little adjustment. I never really knew what to call him — Dad, coach," Boeheim said. "It was weird to call him coach after calling him dad for so long. But it was awesome the moments we got to spend with one another."
Jimmy Boeheim had worked out for a few NBA teams before Thursday but acknowledged a special affinity for the Knicks because they're somewhat of a local team and Carmelo Anthony is an Orange legend.
Jim Boeheim, the Syracuse coach, is also close with Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau. Both were assistants on the gold medal U.S. team at the 2016 Olympics.
So Thursday was an opportunity for Jimmy to impress in a 3-on-3 setting.
"I love basketball more than I ever have right now. I'm so into it, there's no way I can give it up right now," he said. "Whatever basketball throws at me—G league, NBA, overseas—whatever it may be, I'm ready and will attack it with all I got and continue to have fun and love the game."
If nothing works out, Boeheim can always return to NYC on Wall Street.
Jimmy Boeheim signs to play in Greek basketball league
https://www.14850.com/081227183-jimmy-boeheim-greece/