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Title: Princeton
Post by: GBR1234 on October 16, 2021, 07:52:34 PM
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Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: dbilmes on October 17, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
For those of us who didn't go to Reddit or didn't watch the game, could someone please post their initial impressions of this year's team.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Trotsky on October 17, 2021, 11:46:42 AM
Surprisingly good coordination (passing, playmaking) among them considering the lack of game experience.  Ertel and Kempf stood out to me -- Ertel (rhymes with turtle) has a soft touch, Kempf was already acting like a leader and a quarterback.

Hard to judge because Princeton was a mess and very passive.

Impossible to judge the goaltending -- there was zero pressure.

The only thing I feel comfortable saying for sure is we aren't a complete dumpster fire.  It's an actual hockey team with actual players who seem to know something about what they're doing.  We'll have to wait for real competition to judge more.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: scoop85 on October 17, 2021, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: TrotskySurprisingly good coordination (passing, playmaking) among them considering the lack of game experience.  Ertel and Kempf stood out to me -- Ertel (rhymes with turtle) has a soft touch, Kempf was already acting like a leader and a quarterback.

Hard to judge because Princeton was a mess and very passive.

Impossible to judge the goaltending -- there was zero pressure.

The only thing I feel comfortable saying for sure is we aren't a complete dumpster fire.  It's an actual hockey team with actual players who seem to know something about what they're doing.  We'll have to wait for real competition to judge more.

My sense is you've been overly pessimistic about this team. We have plenty of experience and depth throughout the lineup. If our goaltending is even average by Cornell standards we're a top-4 ECAC team
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: upprdeck on October 17, 2021, 02:01:33 PM
unil we see how the alaska series goes we dont have even a partial picture to look at.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on October 17, 2021, 05:08:38 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: TrotskySurprisingly good coordination (passing, playmaking) among them considering the lack of game experience.  Ertel and Kempf stood out to me -- Ertel (rhymes with turtle) has a soft touch, Kempf was already acting like a leader and a quarterback.

Hard to judge because Princeton was a mess and very passive.

Impossible to judge the goaltending -- there was zero pressure.

The only thing I feel comfortable saying for sure is we aren't a complete dumpster fire.  It's an actual hockey team with actual players who seem to know something about what they're doing.  We'll have to wait for real competition to judge more.

My sense is you've been overly pessimistic about this team. We have plenty of experience and depth throughout the lineup. If our goaltending is even average by Cornell standards we're a top-4 ECAC team

Goaltending is THE big question, IMO.  And as Trotsky said, this game didn't show anything on that front.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: upprdeck on October 17, 2021, 08:20:15 PM
even without pressure there were 4-5 really nice saves..  whether that equates to a whole game of nice saves we will see..
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: ugarte on October 17, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: TrotskySurprisingly good coordination (passing, playmaking) among them considering the lack of game experience.  Ertel and Kempf stood out to me -- Ertel (rhymes with turtle) has a soft touch, Kempf was already acting like a leader and a quarterback.

Hard to judge because Princeton was a mess and very passive.

Impossible to judge the goaltending -- there was zero pressure.

The only thing I feel comfortable saying for sure is we aren't a complete dumpster fire.  It's an actual hockey team with actual players who seem to know something about what they're doing.  We'll have to wait for real competition to judge more.

My sense is you've been overly pessimistic about this team. We have plenty of experience and depth throughout the lineup. If our goaltending is even average by Cornell standards we're a top-4 ECAC team
i'm less pessimistic than i am in the dark. we lost so much to graduation and transfer and we were sooooooo good that being a top-4 team in the ECAC is a huge comedown. we have to readjust to enjoying a team that is Normal Good instead of title contenders.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Trotsky on October 17, 2021, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: TrotskySurprisingly good coordination (passing, playmaking) among them considering the lack of game experience.  Ertel and Kempf stood out to me -- Ertel (rhymes with turtle) has a soft touch, Kempf was already acting like a leader and a quarterback.

Hard to judge because Princeton was a mess and very passive.

Impossible to judge the goaltending -- there was zero pressure.

The only thing I feel comfortable saying for sure is we aren't a complete dumpster fire.  It's an actual hockey team with actual players who seem to know something about what they're doing.  We'll have to wait for real competition to judge more.

My sense is you've been overly pessimistic about this team. We have plenty of experience and depth throughout the lineup. If our goaltending is even average by Cornell standards we're a top-4 ECAC team
i'm less pessimistic than i am in the dark. we lost so much to graduation and transfer and we were sooooooo good that being a top-4 team in the ECAC is a huge comedown. we have to readjust to enjoying a team that is Normal Good instead of title contenders.

This is where I am as well.

I think it is easy to forget that we aren't entitled (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptStandings/rptStandings_2013.pdf) to top-4 finishes.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: The Rancor on October 17, 2021, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: dbilmesFor those of us who didn't go to Reddit or didn't watch the game, could someone please post their initial impressions of this year's team.

is there a big reddit scene for cornell hockey?
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: upprdeck on October 17, 2021, 11:08:47 PM
people still assume every other team is not still messed up after last couple of years. look at CFB this year.. crazy results all over.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 18, 2021, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: upprdeckunil we see how the alaska series goes we dont have even a partial picture to look at.

This weeks game against U-18 should show a lot. They have played 9 games and are 3-1 against NCAA teams. Beat MSU,ND, MTU and lost to NMU.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Trotsky on October 18, 2021, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: The Rancor
Quote from: dbilmesFor those of us who didn't go to Reddit or didn't watch the game, could someone please post their initial impressions of this year's team.

is there a big reddit scene for cornell hockey?
There is a Cornell hockey reddit site here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LynahFaithful/

We are trying to grow it.  We went from under 100 to over 200 members in the last 6 months.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Weder on October 19, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Photos of the Princeton game (and the closed-door Red-White game) are here: https://www.cornellhockeyassociation.com/photos/men-2021-2022/
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: margolism on October 20, 2021, 01:07:28 PM
While goaltending is the key question this season, I'm not super concerned.  After all, when was the last time Cornell had lousy goaltenders. Or even mediocre goaltending for that matter?
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Dafatone on October 20, 2021, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: margolismWhile goaltending is the key question this season, I'm not super concerned.  After all, when was the last time Cornell had lousy goaltenders. Or even mediocre goaltending for that matter?

2006-2007 was Ben Scrivens' freshman year when he split time with Troy Davenport. Together, they were better than mediocre, but not by a ton.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: Trotsky on October 20, 2021, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: margolismWhile goaltending is the key question this season, I'm not super concerned.  After all, when was the last time Cornell had lousy goaltenders. Or even mediocre goaltending for that matter?
Edmands and Fawcett in 84 (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/pdf/rpt_Goaltending_by_Year.pdf) were both bad and came in with zero experience.

And then in 87 the whole team was terrible.

94 is the last year we didn't have at least a very good goalie.  Since then:


95-98 Elliott    2.89  .910
99-02 Underhill  2.32  .913
02-03 LeNeveu    1.29  .938
04-06 McKee      1.71  .926
07-10 Scrivens   1.93  .930
11-14 Iles       2.26  .917
14-17 Gillam     2.15  .923
18-20 Galajda    1.61  .931



We have been SUPER fortunate.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: billhoward on October 21, 2021, 01:12:30 PM
In the past, when a goalie departed early, the coaching staff had someone coming in already, or got someone to come to Ithaca a year early. We'll see we happens. Good defensemen make goalies look good. The system.
Title: Re: Princeton
Post by: cbuckser on October 21, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
Both Matt Underhill and Ben Scrivens improved their rebound control tremendously during their time on East Hill. Not coincidentally, aside from Mike Schafer's first season as head coach, Underhill and Scrivens's freshmen years are the only seasons during the Schafer Era in which Cornell goaltenders had a collective save percentage under .900.

The recent exhibition game against Princeton reminded me of the scrimmage we played at Baker Rink in October 1998. Matt Underhill kicked so many rebounds into the slot that day, I didn't dare dream that he would give up fewer than two goals per game in his junior and senior years.