This (https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Michigan-hockeys-three-top-five-NHL-Draft-picks-to-all-play-for-the-Wolverines-in-2021-22-Owen-Power-Kent-Johnson-Matty-Beniers-169419401/) is insane.
QuoteJust a few weeks after making history when three of their rising sophomores were taken in the top five of the 2021 NHL Draft, the Wolverines were able to announce that No. 1 overall pick Owen Power, No. 2 overall pick Matty Beniers and No. 5 overall pick Kent Johnson would all return for their sophomore seasons
Quote from: TrotskyThis (https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Michigan-hockeys-three-top-five-NHL-Draft-picks-to-all-play-for-the-Wolverines-in-2021-22-Owen-Power-Kent-Johnson-Matty-Beniers-169419401/) is insane.
QuoteJust a few weeks after making history when three of their rising sophomores were taken in the top five of the 2021 NHL Draft, the Wolverines were able to announce that No. 1 overall pick Owen Power, No. 2 overall pick Matty Beniers and No. 5 overall pick Kent Johnson would all return for their sophomore seasons
The team being the Sabres, i guess it was clear Power was always gonna return to UMich.
Plus they have #4 pick Luke Hughes and #24 pick Mackie Samoskevich coming in as freshmen. Hard to argue that it's not the most talented (on paper) team in NCAA history. Now we'll see if that translates to on-ice performance.
Quote from: scoop85Plus they have #4 pick Luke Hughes and #24 pick Mackie Samoskevich coming in as freshmen. Hard to argue that it's not the most talented (on paper) team in NCAA history. Now we'll see if that translates to on-ice performance.
Why, is Ted Donato coaching them?
Article (https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/heres-why-top-kraken-draft-pick-matty-beniers-chose-to-remain-at-the-university-of-michigan/) about why Matty Beniers is returning to UM, and some detail about entry level NHL contracts.
Quote from: Chris H82Article (https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/heres-why-top-kraken-draft-pick-matty-beniers-chose-to-remain-at-the-university-of-michigan/) about why Matty Beniers is returning to UM, and some detail about entry level NHL contracts.
And for some reason he throws this in, "So a top pick not guaranteed an NHL job might find an Ivy League hockey scholarship just as financially valuable as starting his pro career."
Sure!
NHL rookie contracts are pretty poor in comparison to the other major pro sports. Article did a nice of job of laying out just how miserly.
RPI hockey mention... (https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/RPI-football-story-16500232.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-CP-Spotlight)
...along with peeing in the woods.
RPIS policy, for an outdoor venue, is ridiculous
Quote from: scoop85RPIS policy, for an outdoor venue, is ridiculous
The problem is the people making the rules seem to get kudos for being extra cautious, and in some cases, that's fine. But you're right, this particular case is completely insane.
Notre Dame lost to the U18 NTDP team today, 4-3.
One of Notre Dame's goalies is pretty good...
Quote from: margolismOne of Notre Dame's goalies is pretty good...
Urge to scream rising.
In the CHN preview capsules article (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2021/10/12_Inside-the-ECAC-Team-by-.php):
Quote from: Schafer"Matt [Galajda] got accepted into the business school, but it [came for him] quite late in the process for the Ivy League [to allow grad eligibility]. It was a difficult decision for him to leave a place he loved."
Please excuse my attempt to translate the Schafer-ese.
Ugh. Just ugh. Gut punch. Thanks, Ivy League.
Cornell overview from that article:
QuoteCornell
Head Coach: Mike Schafer (26th year)
2020-21 Record: Did Not Play
Changes: Not playing last year, and losing its chance at the postseason in 2019-20, really has done a number on Cornell. It was probably its chance at a national title and this season there will be a lot of new faces in Ithaca. Gone are top scorers Morgan Barron, Tristan Mullin and Cam Donaldson, while defensemen Yanni Kaldis and others have also departed the program. Michael Regush transferred to Miami, and goalie Matt Galajda is at Notre Dame.
"When things broke last year, we had to have conversations with all our guys," Schafer said. "We understood that some of those guys had to do things that were best for them. Matt got accepted into the business school, but it is quite late in the process for the Ivy League. It was a difficult decision for him to leave a place he loved."
Schafer did get a few fifth-year guys to return in Brendan Locke, Kyle Betts and Cody Hasikanen, which should help as he tries to infuse a lot of youth.
"Those three guys are tri-captains," said Schafer. "It was a great sacrifice by them, as those three guys chose for their own reasons to come back and finish their college careers at Cornell. The three of them will be great conduits for us going forward to maintain our culture and provide some good life lessons for our younger players. They are also three really good players."
Strength: Despite losing some of its big name scorers, the Big Red should still be able to fill the net. Locke had 26 points in 2019-20, while names like Betts, Matt Steinberg and Ben Berard have also proven themselves to be capable goal scorers in the past. There is also some talent coming in that should help that and Cornell, while not as deep as they were two seasons ago, should still be able to roll a few lines consistently to wear down opponents.
Weakness: Every few seasons we say Cornell's goaltending will be a question and each time we look like fools, but hey, once again here we are with Cornell entering the season with three goaltenders with zero combined collegiate games under their belt. This season, however, just feels a little different.
"I have no idea (what the goal situation will be). We have three guys that have never played a minute of college hockey," Schafer said. "One of things I know being in the business for so long, is that someone will step up, you just don't know how. We have three great kids that are working hard for that spot.
Outlook: Cornell will have its same lofty expectations, but with the loss of talent and the year off, the number of question marks seem to be higher than usual. Yes, there is still talent abound in the lineup, but the biggest question mark comes in goal, and that may mean it won't be the usual lock for a first-round league tournament bye.
Getting a guy like Locke back was huge for Cornell. There should be goals to be had, and Cornell will always play tough defense under Schafer, so the expectations will again be high in Ithaca. The window for a possible national title may have closed, but it will probably reopen again soon as the Big Red rebuild its war chest.
Prediction: 5th
There's also either a typo or bad writing in the article, because its predictions are as follows:
CHN Prediction
01. Clarkson
02. Quinnipiac
03. Harvard
04. Colgate
05. Cornell
06. SLU
07. nobody
08. Dartmouth
09. Brown, RPI
10. Union
11. Princeton
12. Yale
Um. That doesn't work.
I assume from context they meant to put RPI 7th, but who knows?
Quote from: TrotskyI assume from context they meant to put RPI 7th, but who knows?
I will give the writer the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he is predicting the on-ice results will put RPI 7th, but some improprieties will be uncovered forcing the Engineers to forfeit a few games and placing them 9th. ( 1/2 :-) )
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: TrotskyI assume from context they meant to put RPI 7th, but who knows?
I will give the writer the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he is predicting the on-ice results will put RPI 7th, but some improprieties will be uncovered forcing the Engineers to forfeit a few games and placing them 9th. ( 1/2 :-) )
No doubt that the improprieties are due to Shirley Jackson, RPI's President.
Can we declare the regular season over now? RPI is #4 in the PWR. https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php
The ECAC does not have a monopoly on bad officiating. (https://twitter.com/i/status/1449535789788848128)
I like how the Minn player is basically waiting for the call and is also surprised when noting happens.
Well, in some odd scheduling, Sucks is hosting a conference game against Brown tonight. And throughout the week pretty much everyone else in the conference will have at least one OOC game (mostly against HEA teams). Would be nice if the conference came out with a positive record by the end of this week.
Quote from: IcebergWell, in some odd scheduling, Sucks is hosting a conference game against Brown tonight. And throughout the week pretty much everyone else in the conference will have at least one OOC game (mostly against HEA teams). Would be nice if the conference came out with a positive record by the end of this week.
Harvard does this to account for the Beanpot. (Avoids playing 3 games in 4 nights.)
Yeah, as terrible as Harvard is, this is justifiable.
and the harvard game vs BC next week has now been postponed for covid
Quote from: upprdeckand the harvard game vs BC next week has not been postponed for covid
It is now.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckand the harvard game vs BC next week has not been postponed for covid
It is now.
Why? What did I miss...
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckand the harvard game vs BC next week has not been postponed for covid
It is now.
Why? What did I miss...
https://www.bcinterruption.com/2021/11/22/22796823/boston-college-mens-hockey-postpones-games-against-notre-dame-and-harvard-due-to-covid-protocol
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: upprdeckand the harvard game vs BC next week has not been postponed for covid
It is now.
yeah i meant "now" not "not".
Holiday weekend and that means it's time for the conference to shit the bed.
So far tonight:
Brown 1 Holy Cross 5
Dartmouth 4 Providence 7
RPI 1 Northeastern 2 (3rd period)
St. Lawrence 2 Western Michigan 6 (3rd)
Clarkson 0 Wisconsin 0 (1st)
Princeton vs RIT (2 hours in, no score reported yet)
Harvard vs UNH (2 hours in, no score reported yet)
Edit:
Brown 1 Holy Cross 5
Dartmouth 4 Providence 7
RPI 1 Northeastern 2 (3rd period)
St. Lawrence 2 Western Michigan 8 (3rd)
Clarkson 0 Wisconsin 0 (1st)
Harvard 0 UNH 1 (3rd)
Princeton 3 RIT 4 (3rd)
So, 7 games:
2 losses
1 certain loss to come
3 games trailing by 1 in the third period
1 game just underway
Let's hope we can buck the trend Saturday night.
Harvard on a 6x4 in the final minute, down 0-1.
Harvard 0 UNH 1 (final)
Still a number of OOC games but I suspect the conference isn't sending more than 2 teams to the NCAA's this year and that might be generous
Brown 1 Holy Cross 5 (final)
Dartmouth 4 Providence 7 (final)
St. Lawrence 2 Western Michigan 8 (final)
Harvard 0 UNH 1 (final)
RPI 1 Northeastern 2 (final)
Princeton 4 RIT 5 (3rd)
Clarkson 0 Wisconsin 0 (2nd)
5 losses
1 trailing, 4 minutes to go
1 tied, midway through game
Woof.
Quote from: IcebergStill a number of OOC games but I suspect the conference isn't sending more than 2 teams to the NCAA's this year and that might be generous
If we send 2 then it's Q and whoever wins in Lake Placid.
Princeton now in the final minute down 4-5, with the extra skater.
Brown 1 Holy Cross 5 (final)
Dartmouth 4 Providence 7 (final)
St. Lawrence 2 Western Michigan 8 (final)
Harvard 0 UNH 1 (final)
RPI 1 Northeastern 2 (final)
Princeton 4 RIT 5 (final)
Clarkson 0 Wisconsin 0 (end 2nd)
6 losses -- all in regulation, just for fun
1 tied, going to the third period
12 GF - 28 GA
Suboptimal.
Clarkson tied. ECAC goes 0-6-1 for the night.
10 Qpc
15 Clk
24 Hvd
25 Cor
31 Cgt
35 RPI
37 SLU
46 Prn
47 Drt
49 Uni
57 Brn
59 Yal
Median 36, Mean 36.25
FWIW, the attendance for NU @ RPI was 32. That's with school being on break and no visitors allowed.
On the hopefully bright side, RPI has chosen a new President to replace Shirley next summer, namely Martin Schmidt (RPI '81) who is currently Provost at MIT. He asked about the hockey team in discussion with student members of the selection committee. https://fanforum.uscho.com/forum/college-hockey/men-s-division-i/3682322-rpi-2021-22-picking-up-where-we-left-off?p=3696103#post3696103
Considering the fact that most of the teams in the ECAC didn't play last year, it's not surprising that the league is going to be down this year. The five lowest ranked teams all are Ivies (and Union), who didn't play last year. When Harvard got off to its fast start, it was mostly against teams which didn't play last year. Now that it's been playing more teams, both in and out of conference, that didn't take last season off, it's results have suffered (with the exception of their win over St. Lawrence).
Quote from: dbilmesConsidering the fact that most of the teams in the ECAC didn't play last year, it's not surprising that the league is going to be down this year. The five lowest ranked teams all are Ivies (and Union), who didn't play last year. When Harvard got off to its fast start, it was mostly against teams which didn't play last year. Now that it's been playing more teams, both in and out of conference, that didn't take last season off, it's results have suffered (with the exception of their win over St. Lawrence).
It's entirely understandable. I don't blame them; it's going to suck for a few years. It's hard for teams on the PWR bubble but I'm just overjoyed we aren't one of the teams in the low 40s or 50s. We could easily have been.
Better job by the conference tonight, 3-4-0:
Cornell 6 BU 4
Clarkson 3 Wisconsin 0
Union 3 Merrimack 2
Princeton 0 RIT 1 (ot)
Brown 0 Providence 4
SLU 1 Western Michigan 5
Colgate 1 Connecticut 6
Clarkson looked good in that first game in Madison, too. Friday's game ar Cheel should be a good one
From the second period of last night's Clarkson game:
Wisconsin Ryder Donovan 2 Roughing 17:49
Wisconsin Tarek Baker 10 Misconduct 17:49
Wisconsin Tarek Baker 2 Roughing 17:49
Wisconsin Carson Bantle 10 Misconduct 17:49
Wisconsin Carson Bantle 2 Roughing 17:49
Wisconsin Carson Bantle 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Luke Santerno 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Jordan Power 10 Misconduct 17:49
Clarkson Jordan Power 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Jordan Power 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Dustyn McFaul 10 Misconduct 17:49
Clarkson Dustyn McFaul 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Dustyn McFaul 2 Roughing 17:49
It appears those Misconducts were not DQs.
Quote from: TrotskyFrom the second period of last night's Clarkson game:
Wisconsin Ryder Donovan 2 Roughing 17:49
Wisconsin Tarek Baker 10 Misconduct 17:49
Wisconsin Tarek Baker 2 Roughing 17:49
Wisconsin Carson Bantle 10 Misconduct 17:49
Wisconsin Carson Bantle 2 Roughing 17:49
Wisconsin Carson Bantle 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Luke Santerno 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Jordan Power 10 Misconduct 17:49
Clarkson Jordan Power 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Jordan Power 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Dustyn McFaul 10 Misconduct 17:49
Clarkson Dustyn McFaul 2 Roughing 17:49
Clarkson Dustyn McFaul 2 Roughing 17:49
It appears those Misconducts were not DQs.
Well, they were
clearly double minors for roughing and not majors for fighting, right?
Clearly just roughing. Boys will be boys!
Brown just beat Harvard 2-0.
I can't get over the Pairwise rankings of the ECAC teams. Are we really as bad as Atlantic Hockey? Worse? When was the last time the ECAC looked like a potential one bid conference. Could it just be a function of a relatively small sample size of OOC games?
*yes I know a bunch of the teams didn't play last year and are worse off because of it.
Quote from: CU2007I can't get over the Pairwise rankings of the ECAC teams. Are we really as bad as Atlantic Hockey? Worse? When was the last time the ECAC looked like a potential one bid conference. Could it just be a function of a relatively small sample size of OOC games?
*yes I know a bunch of the teams didn't play last year and are worse off because of it.
Look no farther than here (https://www.uscho.com/stats/interconference/division-i-men/).
The killer is the ECAC flubbing it against AH and CCHA given that we are NOT as bad they.
ECAC 23-19-6 NC not including AH and CCHA.
CCHA 14-22-1 NC not including ECAC and AH.
AH 9-33-1 NC not including ECAC and CCHA.
So the ECAC should clean up against those two. Actuals:
CCHA 6-2-2 against ECAC and AH.
AH 8-7-1 against ECAC and CCHA.
ECAC 7-12-3 against AH and CCHA.
Pfft.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007I can't get over the Pairwise rankings of the ECAC teams. Are we really as bad as Atlantic Hockey? Worse? When was the last time the ECAC looked like a potential one bid conference. Could it just be a function of a relatively small sample size of OOC games?
*yes I know a bunch of the teams didn't play last year and are worse off because of it.
Look no farther than here (https://www.uscho.com/stats/interconference/division-i-men/).
The killer is the ECAC flubbing it against AH and CCHA given that we are NOT as bad they.
ECAC 23-19-6 NC not including AH and CCHA.
CCHA 14-22-1 NC not including ECAC and AH.
AH 9-33-1 NC not including ECAC and CCHA.
So the ECAC should clean up against those two. Actuals:
CCHA 6-2-2 against ECAC and AH.
AH 8-7-1 against ECAC and CCHA.
ECAC 7-12-3 against AH and CCHA.
Pfft.
Good analysis. Very unfortunate.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007I can't get over the Pairwise rankings of the ECAC teams. Are we really as bad as Atlantic Hockey? Worse? When was the last time the ECAC looked like a potential one bid conference. Could it just be a function of a relatively small sample size of OOC games?
*yes I know a bunch of the teams didn't play last year and are worse off because of it.
Look no farther than here (https://www.uscho.com/stats/interconference/division-i-men/).
The killer is the ECAC flubbing it against AH and CCHA given that we are NOT as bad they.
ECAC 23-19-6 NC not including AH and CCHA.
CCHA 14-22-1 NC not including ECAC and AH.
AH 9-33-1 NC not including ECAC and CCHA.
So the ECAC should clean up against those two. Actuals:
CCHA 6-2-2 against ECAC and AH.
AH 8-7-1 against ECAC and CCHA.
ECAC 7-12-3 against AH and CCHA.
Pfft.
My initial reaction to that would be "wait, if we have a >.500 NC record overall but <.500 AH/CCHA record, then we have a >.500 NCHC/B1G/HE record". And that would be a very good thing, to have a positive record against the good conferences. But the vast majority of our other NC wins come against independents, which is a nice way to say ASU/UAF, with disappointing records against the big 3. So the better way to say it overall would be, we've done great as a conference against ASU/UAF and meh to bleh against everyone else.
Quote from: French RageMy initial reaction to that would be "wait, if we have a >.500 NC record overall but <.500 AH/CCHA record, then we have a >.500 NCHC/B1G/HE record". And that would be a very good thing, to have a positive record against the good conferences. But the vast majority of our other NC wins come against independents, which is a nice way to say ASU/UAF, with disappointing records against the big 3. So the better way to say it overall would be, we've done great as a conference against ASU/UAF and meh to bleh against everyone else.
And both of our wins against Alaska were in OT so we don't even get full credit.
You may remember Clarkson from such games as... never mind.
Last night they lost at Arizona State. Tonight they are losing again.
Quinny was blowing out LIU 5-0 after 2 and I stopped paying attention. Game is over now. Should probably check before hitting send.
Quote from: ugarteQuinny was blowing out LIU 5-0 after 2 and I stopped paying attention. Game is over now. Should probably check before hitting send.
5-0 tonight, 4-1 last night.
RPI beat Alaska last night and will play later.
Union managed to go 0-1-1 against previously 1-11-3, 57th PWR Maine.
So, not such a great weekend. Again.
Princeton also got swept by Providence but no shame in that, the Friars are good.
ECAC representin' in the bottom 20 in PWR:
41 Colgate
42 SLU
46 Union
48 Princeton
53 Brown
55 Dartmouth
59 Yale
Wheeeeeeee...
And on Saturday RPI lost to previously 1-12 Alaska whose only other win was vs. Clarkson. After a couple of days of sightseeing, the 'Tute will have two more chances to play on an Olympic ice sheet prior to the ECAC Final 4 which they have not been at since it left Lake Placid for Atlantic City.
FWIW, RPI was originally supposed to play two games in Fairbanks and two in Anchorage. When UAA cancelled this season, they decided to play all of them in Fairbanks. Fairbanks probably had a lot of games scheduled vs. UAA which needed to be replaced.
Quote from: ugarteECAC representin' in the bottom 20 in PWR:
41 Colgate
42 SLU
46 Union
48 Princeton
53 Brown
55 Dartmouth
59 Yale
Wheeeeeeee...
As noted previously, the bottom 5 teams on this list all didn't play last season. It's obviously taken its toll. Also of note -- Quinnipiac goalie only had to make 9 saves to record shutout against LIU, which was outshot 36-9. LIU had 11 SOG in its 4-1 loss to Q on Friday night, giving it a total of 20 SOG for the weekend.
Quote from: ursusminorthe 'Tute will have two more chances to play on an Olympic ice sheet prior to the ECAC Final 4
Herb Brooks has been reconfigured (https://www.uscho.com/2021/12/10/ecac-hockey-championship-tournament-to-be-played-at-lake-placids-1980-herb-brooks-arena-through-2023-24-season/) and the ECACs will now be played on 200x80.
Quote from: Since the last ECAC Hockey championship in Lake Placid, the 1980 Arena has undergone significant upgrades. It is now equipped with new dasher boards that allow it to be converted to either international or NHL size standards. The championship in March will utilize the 200-foot by 80-foot NHL size, which is more typical of the rinks that ECAC Hockey programs compete on each season.
The 1980 Arena's other impressive upgrades will be completed in January 2022, and include new seating, modernized media and concession areas, hospitality suites, new restrooms, a renovated concourse, LED event and broadcast-quality lighting, and a new air handling/dehumidification system. The 1980 Arena will be networked to the Olympic Center's new industrial refrigeration plant, designed to make ice with improved reliability and efficiency. Ice is now maintained with a new electric Zamboni.
so other than the ECAC games what else is held there in a normal year?
Quote from: upprdeckso other than the ECAC games what else is held there in a normal year?
Tons of youth tournaments.
From reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/collegehockey/comments/reqpp2/as_the_first_half_of_the_season_comes_to_a_close/), the Great Circle is now comprehensive. Each team has beaten the team directly counterclockwise.
(https://i.redd.it/ja0jtgvzl4581.png)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ursusminorthe 'Tute will have two more chances to play on an Olympic ice sheet prior to the ECAC Final 4
Herb Brooks has been reconfigured (https://www.uscho.com/2021/12/10/ecac-hockey-championship-tournament-to-be-played-at-lake-placids-1980-herb-brooks-arena-through-2023-24-season/) and the ECACs will now be played on 200x80.
Quote from: Since the last ECAC Hockey championship in Lake Placid, the 1980 Arena has undergone significant upgrades. It is now equipped with new dasher boards that allow it to be converted to either international or NHL size standards. The championship in March will utilize the 200-foot by 80-foot NHL size, which is more typical of the rinks that ECAC Hockey programs compete on each season.
The 1980 Arena's other impressive upgrades will be completed in January 2022, and include new seating, modernized media and concession areas, hospitality suites, new restrooms, a renovated concourse, LED event and broadcast-quality lighting, and a new air handling/dehumidification system. The 1980 Arena will be networked to the Olympic Center's new industrial refrigeration plant, designed to make ice with improved reliability and efficiency. Ice is now maintained with a new electric Zamboni.
Someone exhumed his corpse? :-P
Seriously, thanks for the info.
Quote from: ursusminorAnd on Saturday RPI lost to previously 1-12 Alaska whose only other win was vs. Clarkson.
Although the Nanooks did get two almost-wins in Ithaca. In fact, with the home-away weighting, I think two OT losses on the road actually counts for more than one regulation win at home.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: ursusminorAnd on Saturday RPI lost to previously 1-12 Alaska whose only other win was vs. Clarkson.
Although the Nanooks did get two almost-wins in Ithaca. In fact, with the home-away weighting, I think two OT losses on the road actually counts for more than one regulation win at home.
It counts for more than one home win but the overtimes also add a loss factor, so the one home win is clearly better than two overtime losses.
One regulation home win gives you a .8 and 0 record.
Two road overtime losses gives you a 1.08 and .88 record (.45 x 1.2 x 2) wins and (.55 x.8 x 2) losses.
Robert Morris seems to have failed (https://www.uscho.com/2021/12/17/robert-morris-announces-reinstatement-of-mens-womens-college-hockey-teams-for-2023-24-season/) in killing it's hockey program, at least for now. No word on the other two ghosts (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_History/ncaa_Map.html).
Quote from: TrotskyRobert Morris seems to have failed (https://www.uscho.com/2021/12/17/robert-morris-announces-reinstatement-of-mens-womens-college-hockey-teams-for-2023-24-season/) in killing it's hockey program, at least for now. No word on the other two ghosts (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_History/ncaa_Map.html).
Assuming that you mean UAH and UAA, UAA is also supposedly coming back. If you are referring to Penn and Columbia, I doubt it. :-P
(Why does this forum still think that I am using DSL? I have been on FIOS for 3 or 4 years.)
RPI's home game vs. UVM on 12/30 has been moved to Vermont. (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2021/12/24/mens-hockey-contest-moved-to-vermont.aspx)
The women's 2 games series vs. Merrimack has been cancelled.
St Lawrence upsets Omaha 3-2.
Quote from: martySt Lawrence upsets Omaha 3-2.
They scored 3 goals in last 10 minutes to pull the upset.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: martySt Lawrence upsets Omaha 3-2.
They scored 3 goals in last 10 minutes to pull the upset.
something in the water in the north country
MMack @ Yale canceled but non-Covid (https://www.themackreport.com/p/merrimack-yale-canceled)
Quote from: martyMMack @ Yale canceled but non-Covid (https://www.themackreport.com/p/merrimack-yale-canceled)
Canceled due to lack of interest? Canceled due to a friend came in from out of town?
lack of bus drivers?
Quote from: upprdecklack of bus drivers?
Anticipation of Zamboni driver shortage due to excessive ethanol exposure.
Both RPI and DC have postponed their games for the upcoming weekend. Thus, the Harvard-Union game is the only one of the 4 games in the RPI and Union vs. Dartmouth and Harvard set currently scheduled.
Quote from: ursusminorBoth RPI and DC have postponed their games for the upcoming weekend. Thus, the Harvard-Union game is the only one of the 4 games in the RPI and Union vs. Dartmouth and Harvard set currently scheduled.
Union @ Dartmouth now Wednesday January 26th. Dartmouth visits Lynah two days later.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: ursusminorBoth RPI and DC have postponed their games for the upcoming weekend. Thus, the Harvard-Union game is the only one of the 4 games in the RPI and Union vs. Dartmouth and Harvard set currently scheduled.
Union @ Dartmouth now Wednesday January 26th. Dartmouth visits Lynah two days later.
Gaudet would never have tolerated such a disadvantage!
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: ursusminorBoth RPI and DC have postponed their games for the upcoming weekend. Thus, the Harvard-Union game is the only one of the 4 games in the RPI and Union vs. Dartmouth and Harvard set currently scheduled.
Union @ Dartmouth now Wednesday January 26th. Dartmouth visits Lynah two days later.
Gaudet would never have tolerated such a disadvantage!
Bad Boy Bob is gone, like all the legends.
Princeton shuts down access to safe students & faculty/staff, maybe Brooke Shields (unless they saw her in A Christmas Castle, bad even by the standards of Xmas rom coms) for January. We play there the final Saturday of the season, 2/26.
Quote from: Princeton PRDear Tiger Fans,
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Princeton shuts down access to safe students & faculty/staff, maybe Brooke Shields (unless they saw her in A Christmas Castle, bad even by the standards of Xmas rom coms) for January. We play there the final Saturday of the season, 2/26.
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gonna be interesting to see what cornell does. they called and called to try and get me to buy my season tickets.. i figured i didnt really need them but what the heck i will support the team. and then days later they stopped selling them.. if they go to something like staff only i will probably ask for some money back. I was gonna eat some of the anyway but if i cant even take people with me why am i buying multiple tickets.
I just canceled my plans for Fish N Fowl. Love means not having to say "fuck I tested positive."
How is Princeton going to deal with averaging 2 or 3 fewer fans per game?
I was planning on selling my ticket to the Princeton game anyway since I'll likely be traveling, but if they do refund for the February home games, that would be even better. Princeton is the most heavily attended road game behind H so it would be a shame if they did limit it to school affiliates.
I haven't yet decided whether I'll go to Princeton yet. Probably depend on what the cases are like then.
While we were sweeping NoDak, our ECACH colleagues have been doing their best to fuck our pairwise: Toothpaste 3 < NMich 6, Clarkson 1 < UNH 5. Outside the league ASU 2 < BU 5 (which I guess is a push for us, but makes me wish the team had a better chance to practice over the break and Shane had stepped up sooner before the ASU series), and Alaska 2 < Maine 4.
Meanwhile in league play, Onion 1 < Sucks 4, which catapults the crimson into first place over us, thanks to them having played one league game more.
Quote from: SwampyASU 2 < BU 5 (which I guess is a push for us, but makes me wish the team had a better chance to practice over the break and Shane had stepped up sooner before the ASU series)
I don't think it's a push because we played BU once and ASU twice. I *think* it would have been better for the team we played more to be better.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyASU 2 < BU 5 (which I guess is a push for us, but makes me wish the team had a better chance to practice over the break and Shane had stepped up sooner before the ASU series)
I don't think it's a push because we played BU once and ASU twice. I *think* it would have been better for the team we played more to be better.
You're right. Just because I have two degrees from Engineering doesn't necessarily mean I can count to two.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyASU 2 < BU 5 (which I guess is a push for us, but makes me wish the team had a better chance to practice over the break and Shane had stepped up sooner before the ASU series)
I don't think it's a push because we played BU once and ASU twice. I *think* it would have been better for the team we played more to be better.
You're right. Just because I have two degrees from Engineering doesn't necessarily mean I can count to two.
Well, of course not. There's only zero and one!
So Harvard has 2 players going to the Olympics.. One would think they would miss our games as they have to travel and practice.
They play around the 10th the first game. but I would assume they are there for the opening that means the latest they would travel is the first that doesnt leave much room for team to practice before they head out.
I'm going to watch the Harvard-Q game tonight on ESPN+ and root for Giant Meteor, if anybody wants to join me.
I guess we want a Harvard win?
Q winning. Harvard looks like shit.
Quote from: TrotskyQ winning. Harvard looks like shit.
Agree.
The most interesting comment that I heard from the announcers was at the end of the game.
With about a minute to play, Harvard took a penalty. Q was up 3-0 so the Q announcers said something to the effect "Up 3-0 with a minute to go. We might see the second PP unit come out for this one. Oh no. Pecknold sends out the first unit."
Now why would the Q announcers be surprised about that?
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQ winning. Harvard looks like shit.
Agree.
The most interesting comment that I heard from the announcers was at the end of the game.
With about a minute to play, Harvard took a penalty. Q was up 3-0 so the Q announcers said something to the effect "Up 3-0 with a minute to go. We might see the second PP unit come out for this one. Oh no. Pecknold sends out the first unit."
Now why would the Q announcers be surprised about that?
In fairness to Rand here, Q hadn't played a game in over a month and now faces three games in four days and five games in eight days. Without much room for practice ahead, it doesn't seem crazy to get his top unit some game minutes under the circumstances even if it is generally poor sportsmanship.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQ winning. Harvard looks like shit.
Agree.
The most interesting comment that I heard from the announcers was at the end of the game.
With about a minute to play, Harvard took a penalty. Q was up 3-0 so the Q announcers said something to the effect "Up 3-0 with a minute to go. We might see the second PP unit come out for this one. Oh no. Pecknold sends out the first unit."
Now why would the Q announcers be surprised about that?
In fairness to Rand here, Q hadn't played a game in over a month and now faces three games in four days and five games in eight days. Without much room for practice ahead, it doesn't seem crazy to get his top unit some game minutes under the circumstances even if it is generally poor sportsmanship.
On the one hand, that's reasonable.
On the other hand, fuck Rand Pecknold.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQ winning. Harvard looks like shit.
Agree.
The most interesting comment that I heard from the announcers was at the end of the game.
With about a minute to play, Harvard took a penalty. Q was up 3-0 so the Q announcers said something to the effect "Up 3-0 with a minute to go. We might see the second PP unit come out for this one. Oh no. Pecknold sends out the first unit."
Now why would the Q announcers be surprised about that?
In fairness to Rand here, Q hadn't played a game in over a month and now faces three games in four days and five games in eight days. Without much room for practice ahead, it doesn't seem crazy to get his top unit some game minutes under the circumstances even if it is generally poor sportsmanship.
But with all those games you might also want to give your first unit a rest.
As you said you can argue both ways.
I just thought it was funny to hear the announcers jump back like that.
First period, Clarkson 6-0 over U. ::uhoh::
Quote from: Jim HylaFirst period, Clarkson 6-0 over U. ::uhoh::
I guess Union couldn't ride the momentum of their comeback win against SLU last night. But Clarkson was well-rested, so they had a major advantage not playing last night.
Quote from: Jim HylaFirst period, Clarkson 6-0 over U. ::uhoh::
Each of Union's goalies allowed 3!
3-0 and now we are in control. Just keep playing our game.
There is now a 7 point gap (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings.php) between ECAC 4 and 5. Seems like we have a pretty good idea of the top 4 in the conference.
Quote from: TrotskyThere is now a 7 point gap (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings.php) between ECAC 4 and 5. Seems like we have a pretty good idea of the top 4 in the conference.
Can't remember whether it was here or USCHO, but during the pre-season I chastised a Cornell fan for picking us 5th, saying it would be incredibly disappointing to finish behind anyone not named Q, H, or Ckn. Turning out to be correct - nice to hit one of these occasionally.
Quin has allowed 2 goals and shut out 6 of the 7 teams in the ECAC. Riding a 4 goal shutout streak.. Wonder what the ECAC record is for that? Dart/Prin/Colg on deck before our game
They have a goal Diff of +21 we have one of +18
Quote from: upprdeckQuin has allowed 2 goals and shut out 6 of the 7 teams in the ECAC. Riding a 4 goal shutout streak.. Wonder what the ECAC record is for that? Dart/Prin/Colg on deck before our game
NCAA record is 12
Quote from: RobbQuote from: TrotskyThere is now a 7 point gap (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings.php) between ECAC 4 and 5. Seems like we have a pretty good idea of the top 4 in the conference.
Can't remember whether it was here or USCHO, but during the pre-season I chastised a Cornell fan for picking us 5th, saying it would be incredibly disappointing to finish behind anyone not named Q, H, or Ckn. Turning out to be correct - nice to hit one of these occasionally.
I think that may have been me. Or was that your point? ::whistle::
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RobbQuote from: TrotskyThere is now a 7 point gap (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings.php) between ECAC 4 and 5. Seems like we have a pretty good idea of the top 4 in the conference.
Can't remember whether it was here or USCHO, but during the pre-season I chastised a Cornell fan for picking us 5th, saying it would be incredibly disappointing to finish behind anyone not named Q, H, or Ckn. Turning out to be correct - nice to hit one of these occasionally.
I think that may have been me. Or was that your point? ::whistle::
Honestly can't remember. Did you or tbrw pick us 5th?
Quote from: RobbQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: RobbQuote from: TrotskyThere is now a 7 point gap (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings.php) between ECAC 4 and 5. Seems like we have a pretty good idea of the top 4 in the conference.
Can't remember whether it was here or USCHO, but during the pre-season I chastised a Cornell fan for picking us 5th, saying it would be incredibly disappointing to finish behind anyone not named Q, H, or Ckn. Turning out to be correct - nice to hit one of these occasionally.
I think that may have been me. Or was that your point? ::whistle::
Honestly can't remember. Did you or tbrw pick us 5th?
I think I said I would settle for fifth in a season of all question marks.
TBRW:
1. Hvd
2. Cor
3. Qpc
4. Clk
Kudos to the Dartmouth goalie last night, who made 47 saves. Q outshot Dartmouth 50-19, and didn't wrap up the 3-1 victory until it scored an empty-net goal.
Saturday night is going to be a clash of titans (or a trough of coughs).
attendance will be interesting this week.. many STH did not buy, Im sure many planning on buying one off tickets. But thats not a thing this next weekend of games. Might be a small townie side.
Quote from: TrotskySaturday night is going to be a clash of titans (or a trough of coughs).
#1 vs #8 going by the new USCHO poll.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskySaturday night is going to be a clash of titans (or a trough of coughs).
#1 vs #8 going by the new USCHO poll.
I really hope we are full strength. Queef looks good.
yeah.. I wonder what the issue is with the top 3 guys now.. two of them have been out for a couple weeks. even if they play might not be in the best of shape.
I posted this in the Polls thread, but it should have been here.
Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.
Quote from: SwampyI posted this in the Polls thread, but it should have been here.
Princeton & Quinnipiac are playing tonight at 7:00 PM (1/18). Should be on ESPN+. Let's hope they go to quadruple OT.
Oh well Q cruises 9-0.
I guess at this point just scoring would be nice against them.
Interesting vote coming up at NCAA Convention over whether to allow Division III schools RIT and Union, which play Division I hockey, to give athletic scholarships for hockey[/url]. Union says it's having trouble keeping pace, and needs to be able to do so.
From the article on CHN.com: (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/01/20_Union,-RIT-Fates-Hang-in-.php)
With better coaching, better institutional support, and more open need-based aid for hockey players, Union's program was able to thrive in the 2010s, as evidenced by its two Frozen Four appearances and 2014 national championship.
But times are always changing, and college sports is catering more and more to the big schools, with things like the ability for schools to offer full cost of attendance scholarship packages, and so-called NIL (name, image and likeness) rights for players.
Union believed the ability to keep up was going to slip away without the boost that athletic scholarships will bring.
union needs to give scholarships because they can't expect players to come to albany without a scholarship when they have to give up good union jobs out by the tar sands and alimony and child support payments to keep up.
The NCAA remains apoplectic that small schools like Union / Clarkson should be in D1, ditto Hopkins in lacrosse. I believe there are NCAA rules that make it difficult for small schools (that aren't D1 now) to field just one or two D1 sports and play at the lower level in other sports. Instead, they now have to commit to at least a half-dozen D1 programs for men and for women both, and field D1 teams in each season, fall-winter-spring. Clarkson has 20 sports; only men's and women's hockey are D1 and the rest are D3.
In comparison: Ohio State's current athletics budget is $335 million, maybe more if they chip in to pay Michigan's most current athletes/sex abuse lawsuit.
Quote from: billhowardThe NCAA remains apoplectic that small schools like Union / Clarkson should be allowed in D1, ditto Hopkins in lacrosse. In comparison:
"The NCAA" is not apoplectic about it, and "the NCAA" has nothing to do with the choice.
Trouble at Union:
https://twitter.com/slapschotts/status/1484335657220673536
Looks like they didn't want to fuck around. Less than 24 hours.
Quote from: TrotskyLooks like they didn't want to fuck around. Less than 24 hours.
24 hours 8 years. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5Uy7CR6VM)
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyLooks like they didn't want to fuck around. Less than 24 hours.
24 hours 8 years. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5Uy7CR6VM)
QFT
Brown rescheduled for Tuesday, Feb 1.
Quote from: TrotskyBrown rescheduled for Tuesday, Feb 1.
@ 3 PM
Quote from: rediceQuote from: TrotskyBrown rescheduled for Tuesday, Feb 1.
@ 3 PM
Shit. Good catch.
Let's switch (https://preview.redd.it/cnxsrvdf1hd81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19d159d94f23d530961f9aa671658385cc1f649a) UVM back for Q please.
Quote from: TrotskyLet's switch (https://preview.redd.it/cnxsrvdf1hd81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19d159d94f23d530961f9aa671658385cc1f649a) UVM back for Q please.
the curse of justin milo
Quote from: TrotskyLet's switch (https://preview.redd.it/cnxsrvdf1hd81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19d159d94f23d530961f9aa671658385cc1f649a) UVM back for Q please.
I know they played Q and UMass, but I can't believe that whatever an AIC is has a tough enough schedule to be even with us at 13-9-1.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyLet's switch (https://preview.redd.it/cnxsrvdf1hd81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19d159d94f23d530961f9aa671658385cc1f649a) UVM back for Q please.
I know they played Q and UMass, but I can't believe that whatever an AIC is has a tough enough schedule to be even with us at 13-9-1.
they have a higher SOS..
they have no wins against any of the better teams but a couple ties.
Prov/Quin/Mass/BC losses Prov/Quin(2) OT games
we have UND win QUin/Clark OT Harv L then ASU/BU games
so they have had a pretty good schedule and no wins against any if them. we have the 2-3 wins depending on how you count a middling BU win
still 5 less losses should mean something.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyLet's switch (https://preview.redd.it/cnxsrvdf1hd81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19d159d94f23d530961f9aa671658385cc1f649a) UVM back for Q please.
I know they played Q and UMass, but I can't believe that whatever an AIC is has a tough enough schedule to be even with us at 13-9-1.
they have a higher SOS..
they have no wins against any of the better teams but a couple ties.
Prov/Quin/Mass/BC losses Prov/Quin(2) OT games
we have UND win QUin/Clark OT Harv L then ASU/BU games
so they have had a pretty good schedule and no wins against any if them. we have the 2-3 wins depending on how you count a middling BU win
still 5 less losses should mean something.
It's a lot easier to understand when you stop thinking of Cornell as being 13-4-1 -- because for Pairwise purposes, they are not.
Cornell is 9-4-1 with 4 OT wins
American International is 13-5-1 with 4 OT losses.
This in effect makes the teams:
Cornell 9-4-5
AIC 13-5-5
That hopefully makes it more obvious what's going on.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: upprdeckQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyLet's switch (https://preview.redd.it/cnxsrvdf1hd81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19d159d94f23d530961f9aa671658385cc1f649a) UVM back for Q please.
I know they played Q and UMass, but I can't believe that whatever an AIC is has a tough enough schedule to be even with us at 13-9-1.
they have a higher SOS..
they have no wins against any of the better teams but a couple ties.
Prov/Quin/Mass/BC losses Prov/Quin(2) OT games
we have UND win QUin/Clark OT Harv L then ASU/BU games
so they have had a pretty good schedule and no wins against any if them. we have the 2-3 wins depending on how you count a middling BU win
still 5 less losses should mean something.
It's a lot easier to understand when you stop thinking of Cornell as being 13-4-1 -- because for Pairwise purposes, they are not.
Cornell is 9-4-1 with 4 OT wins
American International is 13-5-1 with 4 OT losses.
This in effect makes the teams:
Cornell 9-4-5
AIC 13-5-5
That hopefully makes it more obvious what's going on.
The fact that you had to explain that here, to this crowd, makes it obvious how stupid the current system is.
Is 3x3 just for Covid or is this going to be The New Stupid even afterwards, like the NL DH?
Seems like a lot of leagues (not necessarily NC$$) are using the emergency to push through a lot of garbage. Man on second in extras is the only one so far that would actually make me burn down a stadium, but I expect even worse.
Quote from: TrotskyIs 3x3 just for Covid or is this going to be The New Stupid even afterwards, like the NL DH?
Seems like a lot of leagues (not necessarily NC$$) are using the emergency to push through a lot of garbage. Man on second in extras is the only one so far that would actually make me burn down a stadium, but I expect even worse.
3x3 hockey is dumb and a travesty, but it IS fun. 3x3 for entertainment's sake plus treating a game tied at regulation as more or less a tie for RPI purposes isn't that bad, if we're committed to keeping crowds thrilled or something.
Man on second suuuucks. Like, start that in the 13th if you have to.
Quote from: TrotskyIs 3x3 just for Covid or is this going to be The New Stupid even afterwards, like the NL DH?
Seems like a lot of leagues (not necessarily NC$$) are using the emergency to push through a lot of garbage. Man on second in extras is the only one so far that would actually make me burn down a stadium, but I expect even worse.
This was implemented regardless of COVID. Across the board NCAA hockey rule. Every 2 years is a "rule change year." - So theoretically they can vote to change that again this summer. I doubt it however.
Quote from: Dafatone3x3 hockey is dumb and a travesty, but it IS fun.
I don't think so. I think it just turns the sport into lacrosse, where you hold possession unless you fuck up.
It's not just a crime, it's a blunder.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Dafatone3x3 hockey is dumb and a travesty, but it IS fun.
I don't think so. I think it just turns the sport into lacrosse, where you hold possession unless you fuck up.
It's not just a crime, it's a blunder.
I rather enjoy 3-3 if both teams are truly trying to score. Saturday, against Q, CU seemed to be playing for a tie, for most of the OT. That was not enjoyable.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Dafatone3x3 hockey is dumb and a travesty, but it IS fun.
I don't think so. I think it just turns the sport into lacrosse, where you hold possession unless you fuck up.
It's not just a crime, it's a blunder.
I rather enjoy 3-3 if both teams are truly trying to score. Saturday, against Q, CU seemed to be playing for a tie, for most of the OT. That was not enjoyable.
When 3 x 3 OT started in the NHL, it was wild fire wagon hockey. But it's evolved into "possess the puck at all costs" and that's what transpired last night at Lynah. Not nearly so entertaining, even though it worked out for us.
Quote from: Dafatone3x3 hockey is dumb and a travesty, but it IS fun. 3x3 for entertainment's sake plus treating a game tied at regulation as more or less a tie for RPI purposes isn't that bad, if we're committed to keeping crowds thrilled or something. Man on second suuuucks. Like, start that in the 13th if you have to.
When the NHL instituted the shootout, Sports Illustrated wrote on how players didn't like shootouts. But when they were sort-of watching another game on TV and it went to shootout, all eyes were glued to the shootout. It's just a game, rules change as you go along. Kids do it, why not grown-ups? Maybe MLB goes to invisible man in right field and any ball hit there is a do-over. Last year, it could only have helped terrible teams like the Pirates and Diamondbacks.
Quote from: TrotskyIs 3x3 just for Covid or is this going to be The New Stupid even afterwards, like the NL DH?
Seems like a lot of leagues (not necessarily NC$$) are using the emergency to push through a lot of garbage. Man on second in extras is the only one so far that would actually make me burn down a stadium, but I expect even worse.
I'd prefer a return to the status quo ante, of course, maybe with a five-minute 4-on-4 overtime if there is such a need for more space. But, if we absolutely must not have ties and with the excellent and exciting CFB overtime rules in mind, why not dueling power plays?
***
Coin flip or whatever to determine possession.
Winning team gets a one-man power play advantage. (Some sort of rules to set up a defensive zone breakout to start the power play. Defense needs to be above the faceoff dots or something.)
Goal? 1-0. Shorty or successful kill? 0-1.
Switch possession.
Repeat.
First team to a "two-goal" lead wins.
***
I'd have few problems with counting all the stats. You could even go 4-on-3 or 5-on-3 after a couple of innings if there needs to be even more space. At least we're talking about plausible game situations. 3-on-3 is so very rare as to be nearly artificial.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyIs 3x3 just for Covid or is this going to be The New Stupid even afterwards, like the NL DH?
Seems like a lot of leagues (not necessarily NC$$) are using the emergency to push through a lot of garbage. Man on second in extras is the only one so far that would actually make me burn down a stadium, but I expect even worse.
I'd prefer a return to the status quo ante, of course, maybe with a five-minute 4-on-4 overtime if there is such a need for more space. But, if we absolutely must not have ties and with the excellent and exciting CFB overtime rules in mind, why not dueling power plays?
***
Coin flip or whatever to determine possession.
Winning team gets a one-man power play advantage. (Some sort of rules to set up a defensive zone breakout to start the power play. Defense needs to be above the faceoff dots or something.)
Goal? 1-0. Shorty or successful kill? 0-1.
Switch possession.
Repeat.
First team to a "two-goal" lead wins.
***
I'd have few problems with counting all the stats. You could even go 4-on-3 or 5-on-3 after a couple of innings if there needs to be even more space. At least we're talking about plausible game situations. 3-on-3 is so very rare as to be nearly artificial.
Eventually we can come up with so many ideas that we ruin the game for those who love it.
For those of us who love their smart phone, but were also happy back in the analog day, I think we can cater too much to the "have it now, digital crowd".
Sort of why I like the numbers 2-29. And Malone is my favorite player.
Quote from: Jim HylaEventually we can come up with so many ideas that we ruin the game for those who love it.
For those of us who love their smart phone, but were also happy back in the analog day, I think we can cater too much to the "have it now, digital crowd".
Sort of why I like the numbers 2-29. And Malone is my favorite player.
I'm with you, Jim.
Really, I see no need to break what wasn't broken. I also become increasingly frustrated with change, or the appearance of change, for the sake of change.
And 13 is a lucky number in my family.
Harvard is admitting spectators at games. https://gocrimson.com/news/2022/1/23/general-harvard-athletics-announces-updated-indoor-spectator-policy.aspx
I apologize is if this was mentioned already here. I only received it because RPI's game is referred to.
Quote from: ursusminorHarvard is admitting spectators at games. https://gocrimson.com/news/2022/1/23/general-harvard-athletics-announces-updated-indoor-spectator-policy.aspx
I apologize is if this was mentioned already here. I only received it because RPI's game is referred to.
Can RPI be far behind? Yes. The witch doesn't leave until the summer. RPI allows spectators in October.
Quote from: ursusminorHarvard is admitting spectators at games. https://gocrimson.com/news/2022/1/23/general-harvard-athletics-announces-updated-indoor-spectator-policy.aspx
I apologize is if this was mentioned already here. I only received it because RPI's game is referred to.
With no effect on attendance.
I expect perhaps a few more kids this weekend. I dont think townie sales change but who really knows.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyIs 3x3 just for Covid or is this going to be The New Stupid even afterwards, like the NL DH?
Seems like a lot of leagues (not necessarily NC$$) are using the emergency to push through a lot of garbage. Man on second in extras is the only one so far that would actually make me burn down a stadium, but I expect even worse.
***
Coin flip or whatever to determine possession.
Winning team gets a one-man power play advantage. (Some sort of rules to set up a defensive zone breakout to start the power play. Defense needs to be above the faceoff dots or something.)
Goal? 1-0. Shorty or successful kill? 0-1.
Switch possession.
Repeat.
First team to a "two-goal" lead wins.
***
Shorty should automatically win the game, if for no other reason than to disincentivize the team on PP from pulling the goalie to get a 6x4.
I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
Quote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Was he in the same boat as Galadja, where he left because the Ivy League took forever to declare that he'd get an extra year?
I want to say no, since I think Regush was a year behind Galadja, but I'm too lazy to look him up.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Was he in the same boat as Galadja, where he left because the Ivy League took forever to declare that he'd get an extra year?
I want to say no, since I think Regush was a year behind Galadja, but I'm too lazy to look him up.
Even then he'd still have risked losing a year.
I don't blame the guys who jumped although my god what a gut punch. As it turned out, though... I mean, we can hardly complain with what we have in our underclassmen.
Quote from: DafatoneI want to say no, since I think Regush was a year behind Galadja, but I'm too lazy to look him up.
Not sure? Make an obvious mistake and you'll get the correct answer.
Quote from: DafatoneI want to say no, since I think Regush was a year behind Galadja, but I'm too lazy to look him up.
You are correct, Regush was a year behind Galadja. He's now a senior at Miami. His goal production is down significantly from his two years at Cornell. Probably lacks the supporting cast he had here. I guess he can skate another year as a grad student at Miami.
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Quote from: DafatoneMan on second suuuucks. Like, start that in the 13th if you have to.
Don't worry, given enough time and leeway, somebody will always think of something dumber.
https://twitter.com/newsnetworkmlb/status/1485750225214091268
Quote from: Jim HylaFor those of us who love their smart phone, but were also happy back in the analog day, I think we can cater too much to the "have it now, digital crowd".
It's not that. It's just the idiocy and greed that have always been there but which are now unmoored from any consequences at all after 41 years of this fucking nightmare Neofeudalism.
The kids are kids. They're the same as all kids in all ages. Like we were, they are neither interestingly better nor worse, just fungibles spit off the conveyor belt waiting to consume. This isn't their fault. It's we who laid down on the job of keeping the sociopaths at bay, and now we have billionaires in space and ads on the boards.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
Quote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
I don't understand Regush' history...he played two years at Cornell, sat out a year, and is now a grad transfer at Miami?
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
I don't understand Regush' history...he played two years at Cornell, sat out a year, and is now a grad transfer at Miami?
Schafer said at some point that Regush and Joe Leahy graduated early.
EDIT: Found it. https://www.cornellhockeyassociation.com/news/coach-schafer-and-the-ivy-league/
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
I don't understand Regush' history...he played two years at Cornell, sat out a year, and is now a grad transfer at Miami?
He had two years of eligibility left prior to last season. My guess is that, upon the announcement that the Ivy League had canceled last year's season, he decided to take extra classes to graduate early, and transferred to Miami. Why he chose Miami, I don't know. I bet he regrets the decision now. While I can't say I'm rooting for him (or any of the players who transferred), most of the fault lies with the Ivy League for (1) canceling the season and (2) waiting too long to announce the players would receive an extra year of eligibility.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: nshapiroQuote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
I don't understand Regush' history...he played two years at Cornell, sat out a year, and is now a grad transfer at Miami?
He had two years of eligibility left prior to last season. My guess is that, upon the announcement that the Ivy League had canceled last year's season, he decided to take extra classes to graduate early, and transferred to Miami. Why he chose Miami, I don't know. I bet he regrets the decision now. While I can't say I'm rooting for him (or any of the players who transferred), most of the fault lies with the Ivy League for (1) canceling the season and (2) waiting too long to announce the players would receive an extra year of eligibility.
Yeah, I think it's overly harsh to blame the players who decided to transfer given the uncertainly surrounding Ivy League hockey at the time the players had to make the decision.
it was not even a given they were playing this year when the school yr started.
I can't blame them for transferring. But they all made choices as to "where" they went.
Maybe there are non hockey reasons why he chose that program, who knows. But if he was looking for a currently strong program and misjudged, that's on him
also the assumption is anyone would take him.. he was a grad transfer. he needed to go to someplace that offered the grad school classes he wanted and also wanted someone of his talent to play.
RPI leading Harvard 1-0 in the 3rd.
Quote from: martyRPI leading Harvard 1-0 in the 3rd.
RPI softens up the Crimson for the weekend.
[RPI] Men's Hockey Blanks Harvard 2-0 (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/1/25/mens-hockey-blanks-harvard-2-0.aspx) ... at Harvard
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: nshapiroQuote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
I don't understand Regush' history...he played two years at Cornell, sat out a year, and is now a grad transfer at Miami?
He had two years of eligibility left prior to last season. My guess is that, upon the announcement that the Ivy League had canceled last year's season, he decided to take extra classes to graduate early, and transferred to Miami. Why he chose Miami, I don't know. I bet he regrets the decision now. While I can't say I'm rooting for him (or any of the players who transferred), most of the fault lies with the Ivy League for (1) canceling the season and (2) waiting too long to announce the players would receive an extra year of eligibility.
This is all exactly right. Are you feeling okay?
Quote from: upprdeckhe needed to go to someplace that offered the grad school classes he wanted and also wanted someone of his talent to play.
That's the key: you need a place where you will get a big role and have teammates who are good enough to help you shine. Those two requirements close in on each other. If you go to Yale you'll play 40 minutes a night but your teammates suck. If you go to Michigan you could win the NC$$ title on the bench.
I also seem to remember that Miami, perhaps alone among their conference, does not suck academically. Which... I mean he
might care?
Cam didn't. ::whistle::
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: martyRPI leading Harvard 1-0 in the 3rd.
RPI softens up the Crimson for the weekend.
[RPI] Men's Hockey Blanks Harvard 2-0 (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/1/25/mens-hockey-blanks-harvard-2-0.aspx) ... at Harvard
LOL. They had
their Princeton game. (Or maybe RPI's good -- I have no fix on them.)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: nshapiroQuote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
I don't understand Regush' history...he played two years at Cornell, sat out a year, and is now a grad transfer at Miami?
He had two years of eligibility left prior to last season. My guess is that, upon the announcement that the Ivy League had canceled last year's season, he decided to take extra classes to graduate early, and transferred to Miami. Why he chose Miami, I don't know. I bet he regrets the decision now. While I can't say I'm rooting for him (or any of the players who transferred), most of the fault lies with the Ivy League for (1) canceling the season and (2) waiting too long to announce the players would receive an extra year of eligibility.
This is all exactly right. Are you feeling okay?
So you agree the Ivy League was wrong to cancel last season?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: martyRPI leading Harvard 1-0 in the 3rd.
RPI softens up the Crimson for the weekend.
[RPI] Men's Hockey Blanks Harvard 2-0 (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/1/25/mens-hockey-blanks-harvard-2-0.aspx) ... at Harvard
LOL. They had their Princeton game. (Or maybe RPI's good -- I have no fix on them.)
RPI is actually fifth in the ECAC standings, one spot behind Harvard, so it's not as monumental an upset. Plus, since starting the season 4-0, Harvard has gone 5-6-1. Princeton, meanwhile, had lost 9 straight games before it beat us.So it's not that strong a comparison.
they out shot them 40-25 and it was a 1-0 game until the ENG. RPI goalie played pretty well
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: martyRPI leading Harvard 1-0 in the 3rd.
RPI softens up the Crimson for the weekend.
[RPI] Men's Hockey Blanks Harvard 2-0 (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/1/25/mens-hockey-blanks-harvard-2-0.aspx) ... at Harvard
LOL. They had their Princeton game. (Or maybe RPI's good -- I have no fix on them.)
Is this the same RPI team we beat 11-3 back in November?
.
Quote from: upprdeckthey out shot them 40-25 and it was a 1-0 game until the ENG. RPI goalie played pretty well
And the winning goal came when an RPI guy tossed the puck toward the net and it went in off a Harvard player's skate.
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: martyRPI leading Harvard 1-0 in the 3rd.
RPI softens up the Crimson for the weekend.
[RPI] Men's Hockey Blanks Harvard 2-0 (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/1/25/mens-hockey-blanks-harvard-2-0.aspx) ... at Harvard
LOL. They had their Princeton game. (Or maybe RPI's good -- I have no fix on them.)
Is this the same RPI team we beat 11-3 back in November?
.
I watched the third period and their D didn't look anything like what we saw in Lynah. Plus the 5 minute major with misconduct was against Sertti so they played without one of their starting D for most of the 3rd.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: martyRPI leading Harvard 1-0 in the 3rd.
RPI softens up the Crimson for the weekend.
[RPI] Men's Hockey Blanks Harvard 2-0 (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/1/25/mens-hockey-blanks-harvard-2-0.aspx) ... at Harvard
LOL. They had their Princeton game. (Or maybe RPI's good -- I have no fix on them.)
I assume that you remember "Kepler's Third Law" since you wrote it. :D
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckthey out shot them 40-25 and it was a 1-0 game until the ENG. RPI goalie played pretty well
And the winning goal came when an RPI guy tossed the puck toward the net and it went in off a Harvard player's skate.
It was a silver skate.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: nshapiroQuote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85I feel for Michael Regush. He was a nice player for us and obviously had some team success here. But as a grad transfer at Miami OH his team is having an awful year, and they just got swept by St. Cloud State by a combined 19-1 in two games over the weekend. Yikes.
It was his decision to transfer.
Rarely agree with bearlover, but yep.
It sounds like he jumped from (what he thought was) a sinking ship, onto the Titanic. Sometimes things don't work out as you plan them.....
I don't understand Regush' history...he played two years at Cornell, sat out a year, and is now a grad transfer at Miami?
He had two years of eligibility left prior to last season. My guess is that, upon the announcement that the Ivy League had canceled last year's season, he decided to take extra classes to graduate early, and transferred to Miami. Why he chose Miami, I don't know. I bet he regrets the decision now. While I can't say I'm rooting for him (or any of the players who transferred), most of the fault lies with the Ivy League for (1) canceling the season and (2) waiting too long to announce the players would receive an extra year of eligibility.
This is all exactly right. Are you feeling okay?
So you agree the Ivy League was wrong to cancel last season?
That's more like it.
No, of course not.
Union fired Bennett for "coaching style" which I assume means "being a shouty asshole who has kids skating until they puke and then calling them soft when they do"
https://unionathletics.com/news/2022/1/28/mens-ice-hockey-bennett-steps-down-as-union-head-mens-hockey-coach.aspx
double posted somehow?
Quote from: ugarteUnion fired Bennett for "coaching style" which I assume means "being a shouty asshole who has kids skating until they puke and then calling them soft when they do"
https://unionathletics.com/news/2022/1/28/mens-ice-hockey-bennett-steps-down-as-union-head-mens-hockey-coach.aspx
The press release in truth should have said he was dismissed because of "his coaching style and practices that no longer translate to championship level teams so we will no longer tolerate his assholery"
Quote from: ugarteUnion fired Bennett for "coaching style" which I assume means "being a shouty asshole who has kids skating until they puke and then calling them soft when they do"
https://unionathletics.com/news/2022/1/28/mens-ice-hockey-bennett-steps-down-as-union-head-mens-hockey-coach.aspx
Translation: "Now that there's been an official allegation substantiated, the next time he does this we can be sued sooooooooooooooooooooo seeya! (you goon)"
Last night Matt Galajda gave up 3 goals on 5 shots before being pulled halfway through the 1st period of a 5-1 Notre Dame loss to Minnesota.
Quote from: scoop85Last night Matt Galajda gave up 3 goals on 5 shots before being pulled halfway through the 1st period of a 5-1 Notre Dame loss to Minnesota.
It
was the system.
Some nasty stuff going on with Michigan program, (https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/law-firm-investigates-michigan-hockey-over-allegations-of-covid-deception-toxic-environment.html) which was heavily criticized for pulling out of the second game of the Great Lakes Tournament earlier this year. Now they are being accused of having players lie about COVID exposure, among other things.
Quote from: dbilmesSome nasty stuff going on with Michigan program, (https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/law-firm-investigates-michigan-hockey-over-allegations-of-covid-deception-toxic-environment.html) which was heavily criticized for pulling out of the second game of the Great Lakes Tournament earlier this year. Now they are being accused of having players lie about COVID exposure, among other things.
Adam seems to be the guy who really dug into this story. Good journalism but maybe have somebody else start your car for the next few months.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: dbilmesSome nasty stuff going on with Michigan program, (https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/law-firm-investigates-michigan-hockey-over-allegations-of-covid-deception-toxic-environment.html) which was heavily criticized for pulling out of the second game of the Great Lakes Tournament earlier this year. Now they are being accused of having players lie about COVID exposure, among other things.
Adam seems to be the guy who really dug into this story. Good journalism but maybe have somebody else start your car for the next few months.
The mlive report is behind a paywall, but CHN isn't https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/01/29_Report-Michigan-Hockey-Program.php.
eeeugh
As of Saturday, Cornell is the one ECAC top-four team with 0 shootout wins. The top four in the standings and the only four with ECAC winning records are
1. Quinnipiac
2. Clarkson
3. Cornell
4. Harvard
https://ecachockey.com/men/2021-22/standings
We can beat Quinnipiac but it's not easy and the same goes with Harvard. Be nice if the RS ended that way in the standings and we avoid Q and H until, if all top seeds advance, the Lake Placid finals. Or we could Just Win, Baby.
Quote from: billhowardAs of Saturday, Cornell is the one ECAC top-four team with 0 shootout wins. The top four in the standings and the only four with ECAC winning records are
1. Quinnipiac
2. Clarkson
3. Cornell
4. Harvard
https://ecachockey.com/men/2021-22/standings
We can beat Quinnipiac but it's not easy and the same goes with Harvard. Be nice if the RS ended that way in the standings and we avoid Q and H until, if all top seeds advance, the Lake Placid finals. Or we could Just Win, Baby.
Except, of course, the ECAC listing is on % basis. On the points basis CU & Harvard are reversed. Harvard is #3 with 28 points and CU is #4 with 25 points.
We have 2 games in hand on Harvard. So we can move up to #3, but we need to win at least 1 of those games. As of now, we play Q.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: dbilmesSome nasty stuff going on with Michigan program, (https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/law-firm-investigates-michigan-hockey-over-allegations-of-covid-deception-toxic-environment.html) which was heavily criticized for pulling out of the second game of the Great Lakes Tournament earlier this year. Now they are being accused of having players lie about COVID exposure, among other things.
Adam seems to be the guy who really dug into this story. Good journalism but maybe have somebody else start your car for the next few months.
Adam does a good job, but this is virtually all from the Ann Arbor news. The A
2 News article states "according to documents obtained by MLive/The Ann Arbor News." and Adam acknowledges that "Documents obtained by The Ann Arbor News".
Local newspapers have enough problems and we should give them the kudos.
This year's point system turned a 2/4 .500 weekend into 2/6 .333 weekend. Yikes.
Quinnipiac tied the NCAA record with their 12th shutout of the season tonight against UConn
The Yale coach couldn't have been too happy with his son for leaving his team shorthanded for Saturday's consolation game of the Connecticut Ice Classic.
"The Bulldogs played with only 17 skaters; NCAA teams are allowed 19. Leading scorer Niklas Allain had to sit out Sunday after receiving a disqualification penalty to go with a cross-checking major in the last minute of Saturday's game against UConn. Yale is also dealing with several injuries."
Yale lost 4-3 in OT to Sacred Heart, with a transfer student from Yale, Dante Pelecco, scoring tying the tying goal for Sacred Heart late in the third period.
Quote from: dbilmesThe Yale coach couldn't have been too happy with his son for leaving his team shorthanded for Saturday's consolation game of the Connecticut Ice Classic.
"The Bulldogs played with only 17 skaters; NCAA teams are allowed 19. Leading scorer Niklas Allain had to sit out Sunday after receiving a disqualification penalty to go with a cross-checking major in the last minute of Saturday's game against UConn. Yale is also dealing with several injuries."
Yale lost 4-3 in OT to Sacred Heart, with a transfer student from Yale, Dante Pelecco, scoring tying the tying goal for Sacred Heart late in the third period.
And with it goes another chance for an ECAC OOC win and some Pairwise help for the conference. Probably not many chances left.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: dbilmesThe Yale coach couldn't have been too happy with his son for leaving his team shorthanded for Saturday's consolation game of the Connecticut Ice Classic.
"The Bulldogs played with only 17 skaters; NCAA teams are allowed 19. Leading scorer Niklas Allain had to sit out Sunday after receiving a disqualification penalty to go with a cross-checking major in the last minute of Saturday's game against UConn. Yale is also dealing with several injuries."
Yale lost 4-3 in OT to Sacred Heart, with a transfer student from Yale, Dante Pelecco, scoring tying the tying goal for Sacred Heart late in the third period.
And with it goes another chance for an ECAC OOC win and some Pairwise help for the conference. Probably not many chances left.
There is Harvard in the Beanpot, but that rarely goes well for them.
If we're looking for pairwise optimism, 6 of our 9 remaining games are on the road.
Also, root for ASU and ND. Ew.
Quote from: DafatoneIf we're looking for pairwise optimism, 6 of our 9 remaining games are on the road.
Also, root for ASU and ND. Ew.
Let's face it. At this point, unless we win the ECAC tournament, or at least make it to the title game, we don't have a shot of getting an NCAA bid.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: DafatoneIf we're looking for pairwise optimism, 6 of our 9 remaining games are on the road.
Also, root for ASU and ND. Ew.
Let's face it. At this point, unless we win the ECAC tournament, or at least make it to the title game, we don't have a shot of getting an NCAA bid.
I'm too lazy to do any actual number crunching, but I bet if we ran the table from here to the conference semis we'd have a reasonable chance.
Certainly it's gonna be an uphill battle, RPIwise.
The latest Pairwise ratings (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise) have us at No 20, behind Quinnipiac (6) and Clarkson (18).
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: dbilmesQuote from: DafatoneIf we're looking for pairwise optimism, 6 of our 9 remaining games are on the road.
Also, root for ASU and ND. Ew.
Let's face it. At this point, unless we win the ECAC tournament, or at least make it to the title game, we don't have a shot of getting an NCAA bid.
I'm too lazy to do any actual number crunching, but I bet if we ran the table from here to the conference semis we'd have a reasonable chance.
Certainly it's gonna be an uphill battle, RPIwise.
i've done some number crunching (counted sheep for a while then passed out) and figured out that we're not going to run the table to the conference semis
Here's something. Doesn't the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise "cut off" that we get into the tourney? I'm not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn't the case this year. Maybe I'm wrong
Quote from: CU2007Here's something. Doesn't the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise "cut off" that we get into the tourney? I'm not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn't the case this year. Maybe I'm wrong
The only time I would think the committee would exercise any discretion would be to punish someone (Michigan) who is blatantly trying to game the system.
IMHO, the entire season needs to have an asterisk because COVID is making every game a crap shoot.
Witness our series at ASU. We weren't missing many players, but COVID made CU implement more draconian limits on student activities, which deprived the team of practice time. Similar things have happened to other teams, except perhaps Michigan, which lied about COVID contacts (https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/law-firm-investigates-michigan-hockey-over-allegations-of-covid-deception-toxic-environment.html).
I bet if someone (not me) were to use RPI in an analysis of the variation in the strength of opponents corresponding to wins & losses over the course of the season, the variation would be much larger during COVID seasons (2020-1, 2021-2, 2022-?) than in earlier years.
Quote from: SwampyIMHO, the entire season needs to have an asterisk because COVID is making every game a crap shoot.
Witness our series at ASU. We weren't missing many players, but COVID made CU implement more draconian limits on student activities, which deprived the team of practice time. Similar things have happened to other teams, except perhaps Michigan, which lied about COVID contacts (https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/law-firm-investigates-michigan-hockey-over-allegations-of-covid-deception-toxic-environment.html).
I bet if someone (not me) were to use RPI in an analysis of the variation in the strength of opponents corresponding to wins & losses over the course of the season, the variation would be much larger during COVID seasons (2020-1, 2021-2, 2022-?) than in earlier years.
We've also been down a coach for nearly a month.
Quote from: SwampyWitness our series at ASU. We weren't missing many players, but COVID made CU implement more draconian limits on student activities, which deprived the team of practice time.
I'm pretty sure I recall reading that several of our players did have COVID, and had only recently recovered before the ASU series.
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: DafatoneIf we're looking for pairwise optimism, 6 of our 9 remaining games are on the road.
Also, root for ASU and ND. Ew.
Let's face it. At this point, unless we win the ECAC tournament, or at least make it to the title game, we don't have a shot of getting an NCAA bid.
Yeah, just aim for the title in Lake Placid.
BU (https://twitter.com/i/status/1487908993481818116).
Harvard blows their Beanpot semi, like always. 4-3 to BU.
Thanks, you wankers.
RPI received a $2M donation (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/2/7/mens-hockey-institute-receives-gift-to-fund-coach-endowment.aspx) from Dr. Lloyd Bauer, a member of the '54 NCAA championship team, to endow the head coach position.
Does anyone know how much the corresponding endowment is at Cornell? I wonder if $2M is enough, although it certainly can help a lot.
I also wonder why we don't get players anymore who major in engineering, science, or architecture and then go on for a Ph.D. But that is another story. Bauer was not the only member of the '54 team to have an academic career. I know that goalie Bob Fox was a professor at Purdue.
Quote from: ursusminorRPI received a $2M donation (https://rpiathletics.com/news/2022/2/7/mens-hockey-institute-receives-gift-to-fund-coach-endowment.aspx) from Dr. Lloyd Bauer, a member of the '54 NCAA championship team, to endow the head coach position.
Does anyone know how much the corresponding endowment is at Cornell? I wonder if $2M is enough, although it certainly can help a lot.
I also wonder why we don't get players anymore who major in engineering, science, or architecture and then go on for a Ph.D. But that is another story. Bauer was not the only member of the '54 team to have an academic career. I know that goalie Bob Fox was a professor at Purdue.
The usual rule of thumb is to draw down 5-6 percent of the endowment, averaged over the prior three years. So, almost certainly needs to be augmented.
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Before I retired in 2018, in my college the goal was a minimum of $5M to endow a faculty position.
Thanks, George64 and dag14. I thought that $2M wasn't enough. An article in the Albany Times Union said that the funds would be used for recruiting. That seems strange.
Quote from: ursusminorThanks, George64 and dag14. I thought that $2M wasn't enough. An article in one of the Albany Times Union said that the funds would be used for recruiting. That seems strange.
$2 million plus the $8 million per year they'll save by not having 3 armed guards protect the wicked witch of the east hill 24/7 should cover the coaches salary and renovate the rink, too.
Does the money for endowed positions (and anything else, I guess) live in its own silo or does it just get dumped into the university endowment and then get a proportional share of the gains and losses?
I would be surprised if it lives in its own silo. RPI will probably just shift some money which it would have used to pay Coach Smith to something else. It will allow the coach to be called the C. Lloyd Bauer Men's hockey coach, which may look good on his résumé. :-D
Quote from: ursusminorThanks, George64 and dag14. I thought that $2M wasn't enough. An article in the Albany Times Union said that the funds would be used for recruiting. That seems strange.
A new RPI president.
IIRC correctly, the donor is doing the work of two people. RPI had something like 11 people on the team.
Quote from: billhowardIIRC correctly, the donor is doing the work of two people. RPI had something like 11 people on the team.
14 skaters and a goalie, although Erik Larson was the manager who suited up for one game. https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/1758/rpi-rensselaer-polytech.-inst./1953-1954?tab=stats
There is hope that the new president who is an alum will be better. He did ask about the team in an interview. Of course, that means he hasn't been paying attention.
George64 - #18?
It's the 69th (nice) Beanpot final.
There are four teams.
They rotate SF pairings every year.
Harvard and Northeastern have never met in the final.
Quote from: TrotskyHarvard and Northeastern have never met in the final.
I'm no mathematician, but wouldn't Harvard have to actually, you know, --WIN-- a semi-final game in order for them to meet Northeastern in the final?
Quote from: osorojoGeorge64 - #18?
You're probably thinking of George Walker '64. Definitely not me. I was at best an adequate intramural skater.
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One thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye (https://www.uscho.com/standings/ecac/2021-2022/).
Quote from: TrotskyOne thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye (https://www.uscho.com/standings/ecac/2021-2022/).
Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyOne thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye (https://www.uscho.com/standings/ecac/2021-2022/).
Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.
Yes, and if we can sink them both I think we will have cut the ropes between the top 4 and bottom 8.
is 2 goals enough.. that seems to be the max with this team right now.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyOne thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye (https://www.uscho.com/standings/ecac/2021-2022/).
Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.
Yes, and if we can sink them both I think we will have cut the ropes between the top 4 and bottom 8.
Not quite. Cornell is currently 5 points up on RPI and Union, so if they win both in regulation while both also to lose to Colgate, Cornell will be 11 points up with 4 games to play by each of the three. In addition Princeton is 6 points behind but has 2 games in hand.
nm
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyOne thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye (https://www.uscho.com/standings/ecac/2021-2022/).
Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.
Yes, and if we can sink them both I think we will have cut the ropes between the top 4 and bottom 8.
Not quite. Cornell is currently 5 points up on RPI and Union, so if they win both in regulation while both also to lose to Colgate, Cornell will be 11 points up with 4 games to play by each of the three. In addition Princeton is 6 points behind but has 2 games in hand.
I meant spiritually, not statistically.
Right now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win
at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).
Quote from: TrotskyRight now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).
Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?
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Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyRight now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).
Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?
Andreev might be back (https://cornellsun.com/2022/02/09/whats-wrong-with-mens-hockey/).
all it takes is one of the post shots to go in. a couple of the open nets to not be missed and a few rebound goals the other teams have gotten to bounce over a stick.. you play enough close games its gonna go the wrong way a few times for you.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyRight now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).
Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?
Andreev might be back (https://cornellsun.com/2022/02/09/whats-wrong-with-mens-hockey/).
And Haiskanen.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyRight now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).
Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?
Andreev might be back (https://cornellsun.com/2022/02/09/whats-wrong-with-mens-hockey/).
And Haiskanen.
Not yet for Coach Schafer (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/02/02_Cornell-Coach-Schafer-to-.php)
Edit: Oops, that article is a week older than I thought.
Must have been interesting at Union. At 18:30 in the third it's 4-3 Union and Colgate pulls their goalie. From then till 19:41 Colgate scores an EAG, even strength and then an EN, to win 6-4.
Quote from: Jim HylaMust have been interesting at Union. At 18:30 in the third it's 4-3 Union and Colgate pulls their goalie. From then till 19:41 Colgate scores an EAG, even strength and then an EN, to win 6-4.
It was fun to watch on ESPN+. The assistant coach was in shock in the post game interview. Worth a replay. (And Mandeville scored again in this game.)
actually a good result kinda if colgate were to win tomorrow and cornell finally gets over the hump we would be right back in good solid 4th again..
at some point that 3rd goal will go in again.
Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20220212/qui/clk/) what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.
anyone know why the STL game is not listed on the cornell ticket site while Clarkson is?
Quote from: upprdeckanyone know why the STL game is not listed on the cornell ticket site while Clarkson is?
I'm not sure where you're looking... But, from what I understand to be THE Cornell Tix Site, I see the following:
Feb 18
Men's Hockey vs. St. Lawrence
Men's Ice Hockey
Lynah Rink
Friday, February 18, 2022
7:00 PM (ET)
Feb 19
Men's Hockey vs. Clarkson
Men's Ice Hockey
Lynah Rink
Saturday, February 19, 2022
7:00 PM (ET)
it just showed up.. i emailed them asking as well.. i thought maybe it was postponed for some reason.
Quote from: upprdeckit just showed up.. i emailed them asking as well.. i thought maybe it was postponed for some reason.
If cornellbigredtickets messes up and you reach out quickly by email, they will often help you out, especially if you're reasonable not irate. 2? 3? years ago (last time Cornell played hockey), I got caught in an endless loop where I used netid to identify myself and/but the site was only accepting netid for students / faculty, the site was overloaded, and eventually all the tickets were gone. At least then, they made it right.
Quote from: Scersk '97Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20220212/qui/clk/) what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.
Casey had a good teacher.
Quote from: iceQuote from: Scersk '97Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20220212/qui/clk/) what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.
Casey had a good teacher.
Brian McCutcheon? ::whistle::
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: iceQuote from: Scersk '97Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20220212/qui/clk/) what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.
Casey had a good teacher.
Brian McCutcheon? ::whistle::
No, how about when he was Associate Coach under Schafer?
Are we *sure* that the US team doesn't have more Cornell guys? I watched the shootout and it looked too familiar.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: iceQuote from: Scersk '97Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20220212/qui/clk/) what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.
Casey had a good teacher.
Brian McCutcheon? ::whistle::
No, how about when he was Associate Coach under Schafer?
This whole board seems lately to be seized by a bout of misapprehension and humorlessness.
Of course I know he was an Associate Coach! I watched him play—he was one of my favorites—and have kept track of his whole career. The joke was about McCutcheon!
To address another more directly, of course I know Stanford is the "Cornell of the West!" I did graduate from our august common alma mater, after all!
Jesus, people. Wake up.
Quote from: Scersk '97This whole board seems lately to be seized by a bout of misapprehension and humorlessness.
Lately?
Has anyone else noticed that BU, which won the Beanpot earlier this week, has not lost a game in regulation since Thanksgiving weekend? (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/02/15_BUs-Run-Reminiscent-of-Old.php)
Galajda with 28 saves as Notre Dame beats Michigan 4-1.
Cornell does much better against strong opponents than all the rest of the teams in the ECAC.
how much of the bonus for the bottom teams is from cornell playing so poorly against them too.
Quote from: CU2007Here's something. Doesn't the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise "cut off" that we get into the tourney? I'm not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn't the case this year. Maybe I'm wrong
Any such claims by the Committee were lies - and the last time they tried to claim that, was probably over 15 years ago.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: CU2007Here's something. Doesn't the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise "cut off" that we get into the tourney? I'm not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn't the case this year. Maybe I'm wrong
Any such claims by the Committee were lies - and the last time they tried to claim that, was probably over 15 years ago.
Am I that old? Guess I am.
Data blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.
Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.
Quote from: martyData blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.
Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.
Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: martyData blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.
Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.
Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?
The no townie rule has been effect all season. I'm exaggerating. The only fans allowed are RPI students and staff.
Quote from: CU2007Am I that old? Guess I am.
It happens to all of us.
Especially here.
Quote from: martyQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: martyData blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.
Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.
Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?
The no townie rule has been effect all season. I'm exaggerating. The only fans allowed are RPI students and staff.
I hope she let the parents of the seniors in tonight. She let the senior football parents in the stands for the last game in the fall.
Dartmouth pulls the goalie in OT trying to get another point over Yale in the standings and loses on an empty net goal.
Quote from: martyQuote from: martyQuote from: Roy 82Quote from: martyData blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.
Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.
Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?
The no townie rule has been effect all season. I'm exaggerating. The only fans allowed are RPI students and staff.
I hope she let the parents of the seniors in tonight. She let the senior football parents in the stands for the last game in the fall.
They were there.
Yikes (https://www.uscho.com/gameday/division-i-men/2021-2022/2022-02-26/game-2299/). (I do love that it lists this game as overtime).
The top 4 in the ECAC all won their games Saturday by exactly four goals. Three 4-0 scores and one 5-1. Only Harvard allowed a goal.
With 43 PIM, Niklas Allain is the regular-season conference goon.
Allain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.
The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.
Quote from: cbuckserAllain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.
The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.
As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a
lot of penalties.
"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: cbuckserAllain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.
The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.
As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a lot of penalties.
"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."
He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: cbuckserAllain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.
The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.
As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a lot of penalties.
"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."
He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.
I remember O'Byrne doing that, and he often did it right, which is why he didn't take so many penalties.
The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly. As far as I'm concerned, it's not holding until you wrap arms around someone. Basically, the current way of calling it legitimizes a refusal on the part of the offensive player to move his feet, i.e., play strong with the lower body. Also, it's difficult to pin someone to the boards with your lower body if you go in high or with your stick. We should also be encouraging players to initiate checks, without tripping or kneeing of course, with their lower bodies or at least in a neutral stance, since contact that initiates with the upper body close to the boards—which goes largely uncalled, especially with regard to cross-checking—is super dangerous.
But kidney punching? Yeah, you've gotta call that.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: cbuckserAllain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.
The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.
As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a lot of penalties.
"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."
He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.
I remember O'Byrne doing that, and he often did it right, which is why he didn't take so many penalties.
The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly. As far as I'm concerned, it's not holding until you wrap arms around someone. Basically, the current way of calling it legitimizes a refusal on the part of the offensive player to move his feet, i.e., play strong with the lower body. Also, it's difficult to pin someone to the boards with your lower body if you go in high or with your stick. We should also be encouraging players to initiate checks, without tripping or kneeing of course, with their lower bodies or at least in a neutral stance, since contact that initiates with the upper body close to the boards—which goes largely uncalled, especially with regard to cross-checking—is super dangerous.
But kidney punching? Yeah, you've gotta call that.
Unless you did it like John Parry. when an attacking opponent would try to get by him with the puck entering the zone, he would just lower his shoulder into the attacker's chest, and slowly coast him to the boards, pinning him there.
Quote from: nshapiroUnless you did it like John Parry. when an attacking opponent would try to get by him with the puck entering the zone, he would just lower his shoulder into the attacker's chest, and slowly coast him to the boards, pinning him there.
Sounds legal to me! Of course, also seems like the check was initiated far from the boards and Parry didn't "explode through" the check or any nonsense like that.
I miss great hip checks. Jamie Papp used to dish them out. You'd get called for it these days, because they look cataclysmic. Really more like squishing someone into the boards than driving them into them.
Quote from: Scersk '97But kidney punching? Yeah, you've gotta call that.
Somebody's going to say: Why you were born with two.
Quote from: DafatoneHe didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.
It was a cry for help.
Quote from: Scersk '97The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly.
It should be "2 minutes for boring as fuck."
I am so glad that is called now. There were times when guys could burn 50 seconds off a penalty pinning a puck carrier like that. It was like watching the snow fall outside the rink.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly.
It should be "2 minutes for boring as fuck."
I am so glad that is called now. There were times when guys could burn 50 seconds off a penalty pinning a puck carrier like that. It was like watching the snow fall outside the rink.
You're clearly just not a fan of old-time hockey. ::burnout::
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneHe didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.
It was a cry for help.
+1
So now OSU will get an unplanned two-week rest while other teams compete for league honors. This "feature" of the system sucks, every year. If you can't make it through a best 2-of-3 quarterfinal, you shouldn't be in the national tournament. I don't care who it is: it sucks.
especially as they are really just a a bubble team anyway.
Quote from: Scersk '97So now OSU will get an unplanned two-week rest while other teams compete for league honors. This "feature" of the system sucks, every year. If you can't make it through a best 2-of-3 quarterfinal, you shouldn't be in the national tournament. I don't care who it is: it sucks.
At 15th, there's a fairly good chance they don't make it, isn't there?
Quote from: upprdeckespecially as they are really just a a bubble team anyway.
Yeah, I just noticed that I was reading their KRACH standing instead of PWR. My bad. A couple of championship AQs will knock them out, so they're pretty unlikely to make it.
Yet, they shouldn't still be under consideration.
there is little you can do to knock them down much with the games this weekend.. So only a surprise will knock them out now. Same for cornell.. They can win but if they dont nothing else seems to really get the much above about 20 at this point.. they had chances against avg teams and didnt get it done.
Quote from: upprdeckthere is little you can do to knock them down much with the games this weekend.. So only a surprise will knock them out now. Same for cornell.. They can win but if they dont nothing else seems to really get the much above about 20 at this point.. they had chances against avg teams and didnt get it done.
Anti-woof of the year.
Not great, WMU (https://wwmt.com/news/local/wmu-ordered-hockey-star-to-write-a-paper-after-2017-sex-assault-now-he-has-a-new-accuser).
Per USCHO, Lindenwood (https://www.lindenwood.edu/) to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.
Lindenwood is IINM the first D1 hockey program in Missouri since the famed St. Louis Billikens dropped from the CCHA in 1979.
Quote from: TrotskyPer USCHO, Lindenwood (https://www.lindenwood.edu/) to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/15_Former-Lindenwood-AD-Clears.php
Quote from: WikipediaLindenwood University is a private university in St. Charles, Missouri. Founded in 1827 by George Champlin Sibley and Mary Easton Sibley as The Lindenwood School for Girls, it is the second-oldest higher-education institution west of the Mississippi River.
St. Louis suburb
92% admit rate, 28% yield
17K cost to average students
65% female
5,000 undergrads
The drone view of campus made it look like they spray a lot of fertilizer and they're on a large body of water. Correction, there's a pond. The Missouri River is a mile away.
Quote from: Google -- People Also AskIs Lindenwood University a party school?
This is not a party school whatsoever, there are a lot of strict rules that are really outdated and dumb.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyPer USCHO, Lindenwood (https://www.lindenwood.edu/) to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/15_Former-Lindenwood-AD-Clears.php
Wow, an executive is reported to have been fired, but he tells another reporter that he resigned to spend more time with his family.
Let me see, where have I heard that before!
Since I have no knowledge of the truth, given the choice of a reporter getting information that someone was fired versus the exec saying he retired, hmm, I'll go with fired.
RS finishes of conference finalists:
AHA 1 6
B10 1 2
CCHA 1 3
ECAC 1 3
HEA 2 4
NCHC 3 5
Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point
Quote from: IcebergSome kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point
I guess the Mavs eventually won again.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: IcebergSome kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point
I guess the Mavs eventually won again.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/20_Madness-in-Mankato-Had-Entire.php
This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business. The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded. Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game. Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.
Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests). Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: IcebergSome kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point
I guess the Mavs eventually won again.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/20_Madness-in-Mankato-Had-Entire.php
This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business. The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded. Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game. Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.
Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests). Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.
In general, video replays are getting totally out-of-hand. I watched some of the NCAA wrestling championships, mostly to see Yianni and Arujua. In another match, a coach threw in the "brick." The protest was subsequently disallowed, but not before his wrestler got some badly needed rest.
Returning to hockey, with two referees, they should be able to get penalties right without review. I would, however, like to see a requirement for all NCAA rinks to have high-resolution overhead cameras.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: IcebergSome kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point
I guess the Mavs eventually won again.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/20_Madness-in-Mankato-Had-Entire.php
This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business. The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded. Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game. Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.
Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests). Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.
In general, video replays are getting totally out-of-hand......
Agreed! The immeasurable with all of the review-abuse is the effects of the time spent reviewing all of these calls. That time spent, with the players just standing around waiting, can & often does change the momentum of a game. They have to cut this down profoundly!
I am perfectly fine with the following:
1. Have all the cameras you want.
2. No replays ever during the event, at stadium or on any sponsored media.
3. All decisions made real time, no review, as if the tech did not exist. Time cannot move backwards or freeze.
4. Review embargo ends 24 hours after the event ends.
5. No appeals.
Restore the enjoyment of the sport in the moment. Stop taking it seriously. Refs will fuck up; whatever.
The experience of the flow of the sport is more important than optimizing rulings. If you botch a line during a play you keep going.
So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?
Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.
Quote from: Jim HylaSo does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?
I wouldn't have reversed it a freakin' hour after everyone left.
QuoteFrankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.
I've more or less made my peace with replay reviews, but there needs to be a time limit. Frankly, I thought there was. Look at the video for, say, two minutes. If there's not "incontrovertible evidence" of a mistake, the play stands, period, full stop, that's it. If you want to protest a bad call after the game is over, go for it. But after the final buzzer sounds, that's all it is, a protest. I'd be willing to bet that, when the Bemidji State coach showed the league commissioner the video of the erroneous call, he wasn't really expecting the commish to say "Wow, you're right. Let's get the teams back out on the ice now!"
Quote from: Jim HylaSo does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?
Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.
You can review it, after 24 hours.
If I am Bob Kane, after I get evidence of the screw up, I forfeit. That way you can have a game being experienced in realtime as a game,
and the heroic act that proves we're better than everybody else.
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: Jim HylaSo does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?
I wouldn't have reversed it a freakin' hour after everyone left.
Gad -- sorry, I just realized that answer didn't make any sense. Yes, I'm OK with the decision to give up the win in the fifth down game. I would not have been OK with the Ivy League commissioner stepping in after the game ended and declaring that Cornell must give up the win. Which is sort of what commissioner Lucia did.
(Reportedly, the Ivy League commissioner at the time took note of the serious amount of abuse the fifth-down referee was getting in the days after that game, and sent him a telegram which read, "Don't let it get you down. Down. Down. Down. Down." )
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaSo does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?
Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.
You can review it, after 24 hours.
If I am Bob Kane, after I get evidence of the screw up, I forfeit. That way you can have a game being experienced in realtime as a game, and the heroic act that proves we're better than everybody else.
But what would you have done in this game? After 24hours it's a tie?
Nanooks behaving badly (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/19_Alaska-Hit-With-Penalties.php)
cameras are so cheap these days.. really makes no sense a league doesnt have multiple ones set up.. have really good ones up around the goal and have stationary ones in all 4 corners so pretty much the whole ice is viewable anytime you want. So many of the penalty replays suffer because of lack of good angles on the cameras that are moving.. we are talking costs of what, 5-10K at the most for this equipment at the high end.. peanuts.
look at big money FB and how many replays they dont have good views of.. No dedicated cameras down the sidelines or on the goal lines anywhere.
Quote from: Give My RegardsNanooks behaving badly (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/19_Alaska-Hit-With-Penalties.php)
This is hilarious given that virtually no D1 football or basketball player is actually a student.
But, yes, by all means conduct a year-long investigation of a dying hockey program over $2500 in travel and lodging.
The NC$$ should DIAF.
Quote from: Give My RegardsNanooks behaving badly (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/19_Alaska-Hit-With-Penalties.php)
Maybe it's a violation but, what's Latin for
Mickey Mouse? The "impermissible inducements and benefits totaling $2,259" equates to 45 minutes of Rick Pitino's salary. Cut Alaska-Anchorage a couple breaks or they'll give up the game entirely. AA's lone advantage must be low cost of making ice in winter. Just open the doors.
Oh...what could have been...
https://twitter.com/Thomasbord71/status/1505633430280753157?t=cS63HvJ8FHIabVS6CxjIDw&s=19
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Give My RegardsNanooks behaving badly (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/19_Alaska-Hit-With-Penalties.php)
This is hilarious given that virtually no D1 football or basketball player is actually a student.
But, yes, by all means conduct a year-long investigation of a dying hockey program over $2500 in travel and lodging.
The NC$$ should DIAF.
Such a joke. The little guys like Alaska get sanctioned for nonsense, while the power conference schools that cheat right and left face no consequences.
Quote from: billhowardMaybe it's a violation but, what's Latin for Mickey Mouse?
Mus Michaelus
Quote from: blackwidowOh...what could have been...
https://twitter.com/Thomasbord71/status/1505633430280753157?t=cS63HvJ8FHIabVS6CxjIDw&s=19
What am I looking at? Who is in the bed and who is the guy in the Cornell hoodie?
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: blackwidowOh...what could have been...
https://twitter.com/Thomasbord71/status/1505633430280753157?t=cS63HvJ8FHIabVS6CxjIDw&s=19
What am I looking at? Who is in the bed and who is the guy in the Cornell hoodie?
I believe that guy is Matt Berniers, #2 pick in last year's NHL draft, whose father Bob '85 played football for the Big Red
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: blackwidowOh...what could have been...
https://twitter.com/Thomasbord71/status/1505633430280753157?t=cS63HvJ8FHIabVS6CxjIDw&s=19
What am I looking at? Who is in the bed and who is the guy in the Cornell hoodie?
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Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: blackwidowOh...what could have been...
https://twitter.com/Thomasbord71/status/1505633430280753157?t=cS63HvJ8FHIabVS6CxjIDw&s=19
What am I looking at? Who is in the bed and who is the guy in the Cornell hoodie?
His mom ('86 OR) also went to cornell, so did his sister.
I had a chance to speak to Mr. Syer and asked about whether Cornell ever expressed interest in him. He told me that Cornell was fully aware of his talent and family connections but unfortunately, Matt had his heart set on staying in Boston, by which I think he probably meant Harvard :p but the covid season cancellation (thank God) and the scholarship got him to commit to UMich.
Colgate goalie Mitch Benson transferring to BC
Quote from: CASColgate goalie Mitch Benson transferring to BC
Wow.
Grad transfer fyi
Quote from: scoop85Grad transfer fyi
What year did he sit out?
Quote from: martyQuote from: scoop85Grad transfer fyi
What year did he sit out?
His bio page says he didn't play last year due to injury
One of Harvard's top guys leaving early to join the Maple Leafs organization
https://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1507802083533242371
Quote from: scoop85One of Harvard's top guys leaving early to joint the Maple Leafs organization
https://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1507802083533242371
Good riddance!!
Yeah, that is good news.
Quinnipiac's top 6 scorers this year are all either seniors or grad transfers, so next year's team will look a lot different than this year's team.
Quote from: CASQuinnipiac's top 6 scorers this year are all either seniors or grad transfers, so next year's team will look a lot different than this year's team.
Unless Perets leaves I think they're still gonna rock.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASQuinnipiac's top 6 scorers this year are all either seniors or grad transfers, so next year's team will look a lot different than this year's team.
Unless Perets leaves I think they're still gonna rock.
Yeah, they're one of those teams who you think "as soon as this class leaves, they'll come back to earth," and then they get another 2-3 all-league caliber players. Of the past 10 seasons, they've finished lower than 3rd twice. Pecknold gets everything he needs.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASQuinnipiac's top 6 scorers this year are all either seniors or grad transfers, so next year's team will look a lot different than this year's team.
Unless Perets leaves I think they're still gonna rock.
Yeah, they're one of those teams who you think "as soon as this class leaves, they'll come back to earth," and then they get another 2-3 all-league caliber players. Of the past 10 seasons, they've finished lower than 3rd twice. Pecknold gets everything he needs.
This is what happens when your admissions requirements are under water compared with the rest of your league.
Barring them leaving, we should kick them out. Even Vermont had more academic integrity.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASQuinnipiac's top 6 scorers this year are all either seniors or grad transfers, so next year's team will look a lot different than this year's team.
Unless Perets leaves I think they're still gonna rock.
Yeah, they're one of those teams who you think "as soon as this class leaves, they'll come back to earth," and then they get another 2-3 all-league caliber players. Of the past 10 seasons, they've finished lower than 3rd twice. Pecknold gets everything he needs.
This is what happens when your admissions requirements are under water compared with the rest of your league.
Barring them leaving, we should kick them out. Even Vermont had more academic integrity.
What is the basis for saying all this stuff? Quinnipiac lets everybody in, but Clarkson doesn't? BTW, Q has 2 draft picks on their team this year and Clarkson has 7. Yes, Q likely has low academic standards for their athletes, but so does mostly everyone else. Since when was the ECAC supposed to represent academic excellence?
Quote from: BearLoverSince when was the ECAC supposed to represent academic excellence?
Since always. That was the basis for the Great Divorce in 1984.
We are the conference that deliberately handicaps ourselves by not letting in the Joe Rockheads that go to the factory schools. We're the last bastion of some degree of academic integrity in a sports landscape where jocks are just paid employees who barely attend class.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASQuinnipiac's top 6 scorers this year are all either seniors or grad transfers, so next year's team will look a lot different than this year's team.
Unless Perets leaves I think they're still gonna rock.
Yeah, they're one of those teams who you think "as soon as this class leaves, they'll come back to earth," and then they get another 2-3 all-league caliber players. Of the past 10 seasons, they've finished lower than 3rd twice. Pecknold gets everything he needs.
This is what happens when your admissions requirements are under water compared with the rest of your league.
Barring them leaving, we should kick them out. Even Vermont had more academic integrity.
What is the basis for saying all this stuff? Quinnipiac lets everybody in, but Clarkson doesn't? BTW, Q has 2 draft picks on their team this year and Clarkson has 7. Yes, Q likely has low academic standards for their athletes, but so does mostly everyone else. Since when was the ECAC supposed to represent academic excellence?
FWIW, my beef with Q is not that they're trying to be a jock factory, but most decisions the school has made in the last couple of decades, including moving up the hockey program to D1, have been marketing ploys. (E.g., they have a polling center because they realized that every time someone says "Quinnipiac poll", the school's name is mentioned in the media.)
Quote from: jtwcornell91FWIW, my beef with Q is not that they're trying to be a jock factory, but most decisions the school has made in the last couple of decades, including moving up the hockey program to D1, have been marketing ploys. (E.g., they have a polling center because they realized that every time someone says "Quinnipiac poll", the school's name is mentioned in the media.)
Quinnipiac, in all facets of its expanded form, is the natural result of the student-as-consumer model of education. Coming soon to a campus near you!
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: jtwcornell91FWIW, my beef with Q is not that they're trying to be a jock factory, but most decisions the school has made in the last couple of decades, including moving up the hockey program to D1, have been marketing ploys. (E.g., they have a polling center because they realized that every time someone says "Quinnipiac poll", the school's name is mentioned in the media.)
Quinnipiac, in all facets of its expanded form, is the natural result of the student-as-consumer model of education. Coming soon to a campus near you!
They can't fix the weather tho (https://knightnews.com/2019/09/ucf-lazy-river-set-to-open-in-time-for-2020-season/).
Quote from: Scersk '97Quinnipiac, in all facets of its expanded form, is the natural result of the student-as-consumer model of education. Coming soon to a campus near you!
As the president of Enterprise Rental said of his academic background and wanting branch managers like him: I want to hire hungry people. I want the people who made possible the upper half of the graduating class.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Scersk '97Quinnipiac, in all facets of its expanded form, is the natural result of the student-as-consumer model of education. Coming soon to a campus near you!
As the president of Enterprise Rental said of his academic background and wanting branch managers like him: I want to hire hungry people. I want the people who made possible the upper half of the graduating class.
Translation: I want people with low expectations so I can pay them peanuts.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Translation: I want people with low expectations so I can pay them peanuts.
My translation: Yeah, sure. And also, they're hungrier than some of the Ivy League, USC, Wake Forest elite and they want to prove themselves. I rented a couple Enterprise cars over the winter, mentioned this line, and the manager goes, "Oh, yeah, that we are."
As per breaking news from CHN (I don't have time to post the link) BU has fired Albie O'Connell. I thought their decent 2nd half of the season might save his job, but it wasn't enough.
David Quinn redux?
And Dartmouth loses its starting goalie. (https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2022/04/clay-stevenson-24-signs-with-the-washington-capitals)
Quote from: Scersk '97And Dartmouth loses its starting goalie. (https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2022/04/clay-stevenson-24-signs-with-the-washington-capitals)
Has the
Dartmouth no shame: "
Inks Contract"? Unless they're channeling their inner Front Page, Hildy Johnson, manner.
Aside: Saw Christopher Reeve '74 play Hildy Johnston at Williamstown Theatre [sic] Festival in the Berkshires a couple years after the Superman thing. The play was rewritten slightly so that when Reeve, back in the office and having worked up a sweat, has to change shirts, onstage, he is not wearing an undershirt, and the collective gasp at seeing him bare-chested crossed all genders.