From an article in today's New Haven Register:
"During a year without competition, and long periods of being separated from players, Yale coach Tony Reno said the program and team improved. All but one Yale player who would have been a senior in 2020 elected to take a semester off during the pandemic to delay graduation and return to the team this season."
I wonder how many Cornell players who would have been seniors last year did the same.
Yale is picked to finish second in the Ivy coaches' preseason poll.
If you look at our roster, there are several 5th years, including the starting QB
Quote from: dbilmesFrom an article in today's New Haven Register:
"During a year without competition, and long periods of being separated from players, Yale coach Tony Reno said the program and team improved. All but one Yale player who would have been a senior in 2020 elected to take a semester off during the pandemic to delay graduation and return to the team this season."
I wonder how many Cornell players who would have been seniors last year did the same.
Yale is picked to finish second in the Ivy coaches' preseason poll.
21 5th year seniors on the roster.
Season starts today vs VMI at 2 on ESPN+
Scoreless halfway through the 1st period, as Cornell bailed out on a VMI holding call on a pass that would've given them a 1st and goal at the Cornell 1 yard line.
The camerawork is atrocious. It's panning out too far, and they're missing the end of certain plays as the camera isn't catching up to the pass. You'd think with SU and IC pumping out graduates from 2 of the finest communications schools in the country they could find competent camera people.
Based on the early series, we have not magically become good. Down 7-0, near end of first quarter.
Quote from: TrotskyBased on the early series, we have not magically become good. Down 7-0, near end of first quarter.
VMI has converted a 3rd and 19, 3rd and 13, and now a 2nd and 21. We have no answer for the passing game, as their receivers are wide open, and their backup freshman QB looks like Pat Mahomes against us.
Remind me, when does hockey season start?
Kenney - Glover 45 (most of it YAC). 7-7 early 2nd quarter.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyBased on the early series, we have not magically become good. Down 7-0, near end of first quarter.
VMI has converted a 3rd and 19, 3rd and 13, and now a 2nd and 21. We have no answer for the passing game, as their receivers are wide open, and their backup freshman QB looks like Pat Mahomes against us.
Remind me, when does hockey season start?
41 days: October 29, vs UAF
609 days since the last game.
Going for it on 4th and 2 on your own 34-yard line. Not smart at all. Maybe on their 34-yard line.
Defense has been pretty good. We had a big run called back on a hold. Our punting looks high school level.
Quote from: scoop85Defense has been pretty good. We had a big run called back on a hold. Our punting looks high school level.
Play-calling, too.
Punting is absolutely horrible. You mean they couldn't even recruit an adequate punter. :-O
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Defense has been pretty good. We had a big run called back on a hold. Our punting looks high school level.
Play-calling, too.
Yes, play calling is laughable at times. Down 10 in the 4th with about 5 minutes left, inside their 25, on 3rd down we run up the gut to set up a FG attempt for a senior who's never tried one at the college level. He predictably misses it left, and out the window is our last real chance.
Nick Null is doing pretty well at Monmouth after a year of punting for Wyoming.
Everyone knows the key to a successful Cornell football season (really anyone's) is good punting. Today's was pathetic. Not auspicious.
Since Ivy offenses and kicking and typically bad I wonder if it would be a net successful strategy to just start going for it on 4th all the time unless we're within our own 30. We might prolong the drive only about 30% of the time, but would the opponent be able to take advantage that often?
Quote from: TrotskySince Ivy offenses and kicking and typically bad I wonder if it would be a net successful strategy to just start going for it on 4th all the time unless we're within our own 30. We might prolong the drive only about 30% of the time, but would the opponent be able to take advantage that often?
I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskySince Ivy offenses and kicking and typically bad I wonder if it would be a net successful strategy to just start going for it on 4th all the time unless we're within our own 30. We might prolong the drive only about 30% of the time, but would the opponent be able to take advantage that often?
I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.
The teams when I was an undergrad would have been better served punting on first down.
Quote from: jtwcornell91I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.
Always quick kick: they'll never see it coming!
From the Sun article: (https://cornellsun.com/2021/09/18/football-drops-season-opener-to-virginia-military-institute/)
Quote"I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance," Archer said. "The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice."
I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.
Quote from: Scersk '97From the Sun article: (https://cornellsun.com/2021/09/18/football-drops-season-opener-to-virginia-military-institute/)
Quote"I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance," Archer said. "The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice."
I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.
prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..
What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: Scersk '97From the Sun article: (https://cornellsun.com/2021/09/18/football-drops-season-opener-to-virginia-military-institute/)
Quote"I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance," Archer said. "The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice."
I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.
prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..
What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.
Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckQuote from: Scersk '97From the Sun article: (https://cornellsun.com/2021/09/18/football-drops-season-opener-to-virginia-military-institute/)
Quote"I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance," Archer said. "The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice."
I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.
prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..
What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.
Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.
This sort of reads like he was told he has a slightly better than 50% chance of converting, and not considering the fact that we were on OUR OWN 35 YARD LINE. I would have agreed if we were on the opponent's 41 or something like that where a punt doesn't really help field position as much and a failure isn't catastrophic (and basically guaranteed points against) as we saw. It was the wrong call any way you look at it.
Maybe Archer input the wrong 35 yard line!
I think I need to learn to like this type of football! (https://cornellbigred.com/galleries/mens-soccer/mens-soccer-vs-syracuse-09-21-21/9947?fbclid=IwAR1Nm53qU8zzrvf8aU4d4akSvQGB1xl_p318TSldtwF7wEZtjL-sxk5Ov6Y)
Quote from: George64I think I need to learn to like this type of football! (https://cornellbigred.com/galleries/mens-soccer/mens-soccer-vs-syracuse-09-21-21/9947?fbclid=IwAR1Nm53qU8zzrvf8aU4d4akSvQGB1xl_p318TSldtwF7wEZtjL-sxk5Ov6Y)
We any good?
4-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant 'cuse team.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckQuote from: Scersk '97From the Sun article: (https://cornellsun.com/2021/09/18/football-drops-season-opener-to-virginia-military-institute/)
Quote"I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance," Archer said. "The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice."
I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.
prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..
What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.
Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.
This sort of reads like he was told he has a slightly better than 50% chance of converting, and not considering the fact that we were on OUR OWN 35 YARD LINE. I would have agreed if we were on the opponent's 41 or something like that where a punt doesn't really help field position as much and a failure isn't catastrophic (and basically guaranteed points against) as we saw. It was the wrong call any way you look at it.
Agreed, using "analytics" as an excuse is pretty sad. Dumb call by Archer.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckQuote from: Scersk '97From the Sun article: (https://cornellsun.com/2021/09/18/football-drops-season-opener-to-virginia-military-institute/)
Quote"I use an outside company that helps me with some analytics, and they tell me the odds on [each] down and distance," Archer said. "The odds were slightly in my favor and I was feeling pretty aggressive. I liked the defense and I liked the O-line, so we rolled the dice."
I guess everyone around me and I should start an "analytics" company. We all agreed prior to the snap that it was an inexplicable, boneheaded call.
prettty much the same play thats on ESPN right now as Minn Sun not going from that spot in their game and being one of the worst calls of the season to kick .. The Analytics guys think going for it on that spot of the field is a better call than not..
What i wonder is what happens if Ala goes for it there 20 times and it works that doesnt mean Cornell should do it.
Especially given the track record of the guy who calls the spevific play.
This sort of reads like he was told he has a slightly better than 50% chance of converting, and not considering the fact that we were on OUR OWN 35 YARD LINE. I would have agreed if we were on the opponent's 41 or something like that where a punt doesn't really help field position as much and a failure isn't catastrophic (and basically guaranteed points against) as we saw. It was the wrong call any way you look at it.
Agreed, using "analytics" as an excuse is pretty sad. Dumb call by Archer.
Shit, if you go by analytics, neither Cornell nor the NY Jets would step foot on the field.
When sports people bring up analytics I always get the feeling it's like politicians bringing up science. "I want to see your applicable STEM degree before you even open your mouth."
Quote from: George644-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant 'cuse team.
Cornell men's soccer is currently 53 in RPI; we've played two teams ranked above us: a road tie against #33 Syracuse and a 2OT loss at #35 Wake Forest after having 2 of our players sent off in the closing minutes of regulation and playing OT down 11x9. The closest team in the Ivies to us currently is Yale, at 83.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George644-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant 'cuse team.
Cornell men's soccer is currently 53 in RPI; we've played two teams ranked above us: a road tie against #33 Syracuse and a 2OT loss at #35 Wake Forest after having 2 of our players sent off in the closing minutes of regulation and playing OT down 11x9. The closest team in the Ivies to us currently is Yale, at 83.
The Syracuse game was in Ithaca
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George644-1-1. The tie Tuesday against a usually dominant 'cuse team.
Cornell men's soccer is currently 53 in RPI; we've played two teams ranked above us: a road tie against #33 Syracuse and a 2OT loss at #35 Wake Forest after having 2 of our players sent off in the closing minutes of regulation and playing OT down 11x9. The closest team in the Ivies to us currently is Yale, at 83.
The Syracuse game was in Ithaca
whoops. i caught that and changed one of the references to it being on the road but didn't realize that i'd typed a redundant sentence and missed the other one.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: jtwcornell91I seem to recall that when I was a student (1987-1990 seasons) we often did the opposite and punted on third down. I suspect that was in the odd-numbered years, when we were pretty bad, rather than in the even-numbered years when we were Ivy co-champions.
Always quick kick: they'll never see it coming!
Walt Harris approves.
at Yale today as we play the annual game: close defeat or brutal rout?
Quote from: Trotskyat Yale today as we play the annual game: close defeat or brutal rout?
I go with a rout.
Anyone watch Harvard-Brown last night. Ugly.
Looking good on the first drive -- 3 first downs already.
Edit: 4
We are 11 point underdogs per ESPN.
Cornell has 136 players on the roster, including 51 seniors.
Drive ends with an End Zone INT.
Never change, guys.
We really do have a dreadful playbook. Execution is even worse.
Yale is almost as screwed up, thankfully. So far, at least.
You're not going to win football games if you can't punt the way Cornell has with 28 yd punts.
First half, Yale 9-3. Close game other than Cornell giving up a 35-yard TD pass.
Start of the second half, Yale has third-and-20 at midfield, two plays later they're in the end zone. 16-3, Yale.
Five minutes into the fourth quarter, Cornell gets first-and-10 at the Yale 11, draws two false starts, pushed back to third-and-21, then intercepted on the 1-yard line. #GroundhogDay
Late in the game: Really nice sequence for Cornell with 90 seconds to play to draw within one TD, helped by a Yale personal foul, get score to 16-10. Cornell's bad luck returns on the onside kick that follows -- not just recovered by Yale but run back for a TD. 23-10.
Game's effectively over but ... Cornell marches the length of the field, aided by multiple Yale fouls and a completed pass to the 2-yard-line then a rush for a TD and it's 23-17, Would have been an amazing finish were Yale's lead in the final minute one not two TDs.
Final, Yale 23-17, not as bad as 16-3 early in the third quarter. Still: Cornell, Oh and two.
16-3, as Yale marches down the field with the opening 2nd half kickoff. We had them at 3rd and 20 from about the 45, but after a 16 yard completion on 3rd down, The Yale receiver stretches for a 1st down on 4th and 4. Next play they hit an easy TD pass.
We are not an awful team. But the above scenario is an example of why we are eminently mediocre, with no real change in sight.
This darkness got to give!
Quote from: CASThis darkness got to give!
It will once Archer is let go.
lol cornell with a nice (penalty-aided) drive to pull within 6 with 1:15 remaining but Yale scoops the onside kick and runs it in
Yale returned a late onside kick for a touchdown in 2019. You'd think we'd learn how to prevent that. There must be a freshman QB who can pass better than Kenney. Put him in. Give him experience. We lose anyway.
David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.
after the syracuse game, according to RPI, marist was by far the toughest remaining game on the schedule.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: George64Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.
after the syracuse game, according to RPI, marist was by far the toughest remaining game on the schedule.
That may be so, but I think a few of the Ivies will be pretty good. Yale was the preseason favorite, and some other league teams have been pretty good in the early season.
For those lamenting the state of the (American) football program, what John Smith has done for the soccer program is Exhibit A in program building. When he came is 6 years ago the program was a train wreck, bereft of D1 talent. His 1st year the team won a single game. By year 2 the team was competitive, and by year 3 was a legitimate threat to win the league. He ramped up recruiting and installed an attacking, aggressive style that is enticing to high-end players and is a joy to watch. If Smith stays around we should be an upper division team for years to come.
Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
And 44 All-Ivy selections, as the ESPN Chiron overlaid when showing him on the sidelines. Plus he's getting closer each year to being the senior Ivy football coach.
That (sarcasm) aside, I want to believe Cornell sees Archer as the right coach for the long term.
Scoop, that's an excellent example of what's possible when a dynamic coach leads a moribund program. Wish Andy (& his superiors) would pay heed.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
And 44 All-Ivy selections, as the ESPN Chiron overlaid when showing him on the sidelines. Plus he's getting closer each year to being the senior Ivy football coach.
That (sarcasm) aside, I want to believe Cornell sees Archer as the right coach for the long term.
Nine years heading the program where you can't win even 1/3 of the games played is a large enough sample size to say he ISN'T the right coach.
Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
Well, you know, we play such a difficult schedule...
Quote from: George64Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date; 19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win. Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.
Wait. I might actually get to see a win in person?
I'm not getting my hopes up. It's Homecoming at Bucknell.
One looks back a bit and the only coaches who have sustained success were Maxie Baughan, Jack Musick, and some limited success with Jim Hofher. Baughan recruiting pretty but also go transfers from other programs like the late Tom McHale (Unfortunately a case study in advocating against football) and some others. I would think that by looking at the transfer portal Archer might be able to upgrade the talent. Thirty slots are a lot to fill every year for recruiting and recruiting against the Big Three along the structural limitations of the Ivies present their own challenges. I mention the Big Three because the prestige in playing in front of a big crowd like "The Game" presents its own appeal. I would offer that Cornell football has no comparable rivalry (Cornell-Penn Thanksgiving rivalry back in the day yes but not currently). My point being that there is a limited pool of athletes willing to take on the financial burdens and qualify academically for that many slots. Cornell has gotten good talent over the years but enough quite enough athleticism to match that of some of the other top program within the Ivies. In my fantasies I wish that the the Ivies would allow athletic scholarships which might broaden the talent pool a bit and enable Cornell to compete. That being said we currently have a coach who loves being at Cornell and the talent has improved a bit also from when he started. The program is moving on to Bucknell and one would like to see Mayes get the starting qb position based on his performance.
Quote from: rss77One looks back a bit and the only coaches who have sustained success were Maxie Baughan, Jack Musick, and some limited success with Jim Hofher. Baughan recruiting pretty but also go transfers from other programs like the late Tom McHale (Unfortunately a case study in advocating against football) and some others. I would think that by looking at the transfer portal Archer might be able to upgrade the talent. Thirty slots are a lot to fill every year for recruiting and recruiting against the Big Three along the structural limitations of the Ivies present their own challenges. I mention the Big Three because the prestige in playing in front of a big crowd like "The Game" presents its own appeal. I would offer that Cornell football has no comparable rivalry (Cornell-Penn Thanksgiving rivalry back in the day yes but not currently). My point being that there is a limited pool of athletes willing to take on the financial burdens and qualify academically for that many slots. Cornell has gotten good talent over the years but enough quite enough athleticism to match that of some of the other top program within the Ivies. In my fantasies I wish that the the Ivies would allow athletic scholarships which might broaden the talent pool a bit and enable Cornell to compete. That being said we currently have a coach who loves being at Cornell and the talent has improved a bit also from when he started. The program is moving on to Bucknell and one would like to see Mayes get the starting qb position based on his performance.
I get your point but Dartmouth isn't in the Big Three, and doesn't really have a great rivalry, yet they seem to have been able to maintain a winning program.
I think Cornell must practice illegal procedure. This silliness of lining up to run a play, then having everyone turn to the sideline to get a different play, then dancing around to move half the team to a new place on the field, and finally starting to move too soon (illegal procedure) or too late (delay of game) is just ridiculous.
40 yards of penalties in first quarter.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioI think Cornell must practice illegal procedure. This silliness of lining up to run a play, then having everyone turn to the sideline to get a different play, then dancing around to move half the team to a new place on the field, and finally starting to move too soon (illegal procedure) or too late (delay of game) is just ridiculous.
40 yards of penalties in first quarter.
Poor coaching.
Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Quote from: Ken711Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.
They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.
They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.
Princeton too
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.
They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.
Princeton too
Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.
They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.
Princeton too
Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.
Maybe cornell should discontinue their football program.
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.
They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.
Princeton too
Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.
Maybe cornell should discontinue their football program.
Or hire a competent coaching staff. ::rolleyes::
Was expecting much more this season because of momentum of 2019 and the super seniors. The defense just can't get off the field (Allowing too many 3rd down conversions and a key 4th down) and a mistake-prone offense. Watched the Harvard Holy Cross highlights-Harvard looks scary good.
Meanwhile our Futbol team just dominated Penn in Philly, 3-0 to go 6-1-1 overall, 1-0 in the league.
Quote from: rss77Was expecting much more this season because of momentum of 2019 and the super seniors. The defense just can't get off the field (Allowing too many 3rd down conversions and a key 4th down) and a mistake-prone offense. Watched the Harvard Holy Cross highlights-Harvard looks scary good.
Rushing for a grand total of
34 yards says it all. There's a good chance this team wins maybe 1 or 2 games at best. Andy had better be looking at his list of potential of coaching replacements, assuming he has one.
One way or another, this darkness got to give. I thought you play to win the game. Guess Andy & Archer have other ideas.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Pathetic running game by Cornell. Archer needs to be fired after this season!
David Archer era to date; 19-54 Overall (.260 winning %). 15-37 Ivy League (.288 winning %)
Losing to this awful Bucknell team might be the final straw.
They are going to get destroyed by Dartmouth and Harvard.
Princeton too
Absolutely. There is no justification whatsoever to keep Archer another season.
Maybe cornell should discontinue their football program.
Or hire a competent coaching staff. ::rolleyes::
Maybe, but i personally would love to see the program getting discontinued like pton's sprint football. I assume my view is highly unpopular though.
With the right coaching staff & administrative support, we can win. Fix the program.
Quote from: CASWith the right coaching staff & administrative support, we can win. Fix the program.
I agree.
Quote from: CASWith the right coaching staff & administrative support, we can win. Fix the program.
Yep. The coaching is really bad from recruiting to play calling to game management. Just a complete disaster of a football program. Truly embarrassing for the school and the athletic department.
Quote from: blackwidowMaybe cornell should discontinue their football program.
We did. It's just really slow-walked.
i try to be generous but there's no way around it this program is in the crapper and it's probably time to start looking around for a better staff. hard to fire alumni though.
I was at the game. Ugly.
Our rushers didn't understand the concept of running downhill. We got one decent rush early on by sweeping outside. After that, Bucknell was able to stop that, every damn time we tried it. The running backs would dance around rather than run through obvious holes, and lose yards in the process. At one point late in the 2nd quarter, we had -4 yards rushing. In the middle of the 3rd we had +20. We finished with +34 yards rushing. And most of those seemed that they were by the QB.
Our second or third possession we had 5 penalties. I joked that we had more possession time because we ran one or two extra plays in every 3 down series.
Our defense played reasonably well in the first half, but in the second half Bucknell changed their passing scheme to short outs, and our secondary was still playing against the deep pass. And the defense didn't figure it out for the rest of the game. That's why we gave up 2 TDs in the 4th quarter.
Hockey can't come soon enough.
Cornell (0-3) travels to Harvard (3-0) this Saturday. For those who believe Cornell never won in football, Cornell beat Harvard 11 straight times from 1986-1996. Harvard has won 16 of the last 19 games. How times have changed...
Quote from: CASCornell (0-3) travels to Harvard (3-0) this Saturday. For those who believe Cornell never won in football, Cornell beat Harvard 11 straight times from 1986-1996. Harvard has won 16 of the last 19 games. How times have changed...
Yes, the times have certainly changed. Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.
Same in lacrosse-they made a great hire when they lured the long time Notre Dame defensive coordinator Gerry Byrne to Cambridge.
Quote from: Ken711Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.
Could they care less? Seems to me that they
couldn't (possibly) care less.
Agree Scersk - where else could one be 19-54 & still coaching
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Ken711Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.
Could they care less? Seems to me that they couldn't (possibly) care less.
Mandatory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Ken711Harvard's AD and administration started to care about getting behind a winning football program, and Cornell could care less.
Could they care less? Seems to me that they couldn't (possibly) care less.
Mandatory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc).
I love Weird Al. Maybe he can coach this football team when Archer is fired. :-D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXAW2qd65nA
4th and 16 with the game on the line and they have the right-handed QB roll to his left so he has to make the most awkward throw possible.
Can we please discontinue the program? Im in too much pain.
Quote from: CU20074th and 16 with the game on the line and they have the right-handed QB roll to his left so he has to make the most awkward throw possible.
As opposed to last week? First and goal on the 2 with time running out and they throw a screen that wasn't working all day. Then the QB fumbles it into the end zone on the next play.
And Bucknell got shut out by Penn today. We truly are bad.
Correction: Bucknell was shut out by Lafayette. Penn shutout Lehigh.
Converting only two of twenty third and fourth down attempts makes it impossible to sustain drives.
Brown beat Colgate next opponent 31-10, maybe there's hope for Cornell's 1st win of the season next week in their Friday night game against the Red Raiders.
Quote from: blackwidowCan we please discontinue the program? Im in too much pain.
Gotta be a money sink, right? Dump it and put the savings into hockey.
probably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Quote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
The won't drop Ivy football unless they want to drop the "Ivy League brand".
that football is so important to boosters makes it even more surprising that it has been so bad for so long
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
Quote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
The won't drop Ivy football unless they want to drop the "Ivy League brand".
That is the key right there. Ivy Football is Cornell's loss leader.
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program
Why? If you donated that much they might even change the name of Schoellfkopf stadium to your name. ;-)
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program
Why? If you donated that much they might even change the name of Schoellfkopf stadium to your name. ;-)
Yes, but would they fire Archer?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program
Why? If you donated that much they might even change the name of Schoellfkopf stadium to your name. ;-)
Yes, but would they fire Archer?
If you donated billions I'm sure you could get even Andy to retire. :-D
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program
Why? If you donated that much they might even change the name of Schoellfkopf stadium to your name. ;-)
If I donated billions it would be on the proviso that all Cornell hockey rinks will be named "Lynah Rink."
None of this Citi Field shit.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program
Why? If you donated that much they might even change the name of Schoellfkopf stadium to your name. ;-)
If I donated billions it would be on the proviso that all Cornell hockey rinks will be named "Lynah Rink."
None of this Citi Field shit.
How about Lynah Rink at the Trotsky Ice Forum.
And no one has floated Jon Gruden yet. This place shows class.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: George64Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckprobably still makes more money than hockey.. by far the biggest boosters for the school care about football
Net? It's expensive AF.
15 coaches, plus six listed support staff and over about 120 players, it's bigger than many academic departments.
If i were rich, i would donate billions on the condition that they discontinue the program
Why? If you donated that much they might even change the name of Schoellfkopf stadium to your name. ;-)
If I donated billions it would be on the proviso that all Cornell hockey rinks will be named "Lynah Rink."
None of this Citi Field shit.
How about Lynah Rink at the Trotsky Ice Forum.
Lynah Rink at the Ceramic Dalmatian Palace.
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5f8ede788af33977c0bbbed1/1603578631396-NOJFJ6K925Q1JJV4CZ4Y/Dalmation-Basel-PR-720x720px.jpg?format=1000w)
Back to football. The defense performed really well against Harvard with Backus's leadership as Defensive Coordinator. Found out Harvard's offensive line has two players doing post grad years at Power 5 schools (One at Penn State and the other at LSU). Unfortunately we have an offense that can't get out of its own way-sigh
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Yes, but would they fire Archer?
In the storybook I make up in my head trying to figure out Andy Noel, the reason he hired a 30 year-old guy to be a coach is so he would never have to do a coaching search again. Coaching searches are the worst thing my version of Andy ever wants to do. It distracts from his management of the
Wrestling Athletic Department.
Archer's not going anywhere until Andy's gone.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Yes, but would they fire Archer?
In the storybook I make up in my head trying to figure out Andy Noel, the reason he hired a 30 year-old guy to be a coach is so he would never have to do a coaching search again. Coaching searches are the worst thing my version of Andy ever wants to do. It distracts from his management of the
Wrestling Athletic Department.
Archer's not going anywhere until Andy's gone.
Cornell has a fighting chance against Colgate Friday (7pm). I see Cornell at 246 in RPI (RPI covers all D1 and D1-Lite (FCS) schools) and Colgate is 224. Every other Ivy is in the 100s, from Princeton and Harvard at 129 and 131, down through Dartmouth 158 (@D, 11/13), Yale 165, Columbia 173 (home, 11/20), Penn 188 (@ Penn, Nov. 6) and Brown 191 (home 10/23). The best D1 Lite school is #73 Sam Houston State. (FWIW Villanova football ranks ahead of Duke, and if RPI is destiny, Princeton and Harvard could beat Colorado, Tulane, Delaware and Idaho, not to mention Cal and UMass.)
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_power_rankings_Full.html
If things do not go well tonight, Cornell is halfway to running the table. The last winless season was 0-6-1 in 1935, the end of Gil Dobie's 16 years at the helm. This after three consecutive 8-0 seasons for Dobie and three national championships starting 100 years ago this year.
For those wishing for regime change, 0-10 is a lot harder to ignore than another 1-9 or 2-8 season. It's just a crusher for the 85-plus players and their families, especially if this is their final year playing for Cornell and they are, as we were, Cornell students who are probably not going pro in sports except maybe owning a team or being the commissioner. Personally, I'd like to see Cornell win one or two, which seems possible, even if it means Cornell keeping with the same coaching staff. OddsChecker says cornell has a 61% chance of winning.
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/football/ncaaf/20211015-colgate-vs-cornell-odds-cornell-given-606pp-chance-to-beat-rival-colgate
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Yes, but would they fire Archer?
In the storybook I make up in my head trying to figure out Andy Noel, the reason he hired a 30 year-old guy to be a coach is so he would never have to do a coaching search again. Coaching searches are the worst thing my version of Andy ever wants to do. It distracts from his management of the Wrestling Athletic Department.
Archer's not going anywhere until Andy's gone.
I wouldn't be so sure, if they finish 1-9 or 0-10 I'd say he's let go. They should beat Colgate and Brown and finish 2-8, and so he'll "save" his job for yet another losing season. ::bang::
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Yes, but would they fire Archer?
In the storybook I make up in my head trying to figure out Andy Noel, the reason he hired a 30 year-old guy to be a coach is so he would never have to do a coaching search again. Coaching searches are the worst thing my version of Andy ever wants to do. It distracts from his management of the Wrestling Athletic Department.
Archer's not going anywhere until Andy's gone.
I wouldn't be so sure, if they finish 1-9 or 0-10 I'd say he's let go. They should beat Colgate and Brown and finish 2-8, and so he'll "save" his job for yet another losing season. ::bang::
Colgate and Brown both have higher ratings that Bucknell, and Bucknell made us look foolish. 0-10 looks like a real possibility. I hope.
Cornell scores first then gives up a 100 yard kickoff return lol 7-7.
Jameson Wang, frosh from California, throws the first TD pass then runs it in from 18 for the second. 14-7 Cornell.
Cornell is using different QBs. Three so far.
Now Soph Luke Duby with a couple of nice passes and a 30+ yard TD run. 21-7. Cornell D playing well also.
Now Kenney has a TD pass. 28-7.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Yes, but would they fire Archer?
In the storybook I make up in my head trying to figure out Andy Noel, the reason he hired a 30 year-old guy to be a coach is so he would never have to do a coaching search again. Coaching searches are the worst thing my version of Andy ever wants to do. It distracts from his management of the Wrestling Athletic Department.
Archer's not going anywhere until Andy's gone.
I wouldn't be so sure, if they finish 1-9 or 0-10 I'd say he's let go. They should beat Colgate and Brown and finish 2-8, and so he'll "save" his job for yet another losing season. ::bang::
Colgate and Brown both have higher ratings that Bucknell, and Bucknell made us look foolish. 0-10 looks like a real possibility. I hope.
Nope, Colgate is weak. It looks like the first win today so worst case 1-9. But like I said they should beat Brown since it's a home game, and there's the 2-8 record. Best case they beat Columbia and could possibly be 3-7.
Bring on Princeton! Get Syracuse (playing Clemson almost evenly in the third quarter) on the calendar.
Huh. Well I'll be dipped.
Even after tough games like this, I still think we should discontinue the program
If you have four starting quarterbacks, you have zero starting quarterbacks. But hey, a win is a win. Nice for the guys on the team.
Quote from: semsoxEven after tough games like this, I still think we should discontinue the program
Oh my god. Im with you!
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Yes, but would they fire Archer?
In the storybook I make up in my head trying to figure out Andy Noel, the reason he hired a 30 year-old guy to be a coach is so he would never have to do a coaching search again. Coaching searches are the worst thing my version of Andy ever wants to do. It distracts from his management of the Wrestling Athletic Department.
Archer's not going anywhere until Andy's gone.
I wouldn't be so sure, if they finish 1-9 or 0-10 I'd say he's let go. They should beat Colgate and Brown and finish 2-8, and so he'll "save" his job for yet another losing season. ::bang::
Colgate and Brown both have higher ratings that Bucknell, and Bucknell made us look foolish. 0-10 looks like a real possibility. I hope.
Nope, Colgate is weak. It looks like the first win today so worst case 1-9. But like I said they should beat Brown since it's a home game, and there's the 2-8 record. Best case they beat Columbia and could possibly be 3-7.
Columbia is 4-1 and just beat Penn. Don't count on that win.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Yes, but would they fire Archer?
In the storybook I make up in my head trying to figure out Andy Noel, the reason he hired a 30 year-old guy to be a coach is so he would never have to do a coaching search again. Coaching searches are the worst thing my version of Andy ever wants to do. It distracts from his management of the Wrestling Athletic Department.
Archer's not going anywhere until Andy's gone.
I wouldn't be so sure, if they finish 1-9 or 0-10 I'd say he's let go. They should beat Colgate and Brown and finish 2-8, and so he'll "save" his job for yet another losing season. ::bang::
Colgate and Brown both have higher ratings that Bucknell, and Bucknell made us look foolish. 0-10 looks like a real possibility. I hope.
Nope, Colgate is weak. It looks like the first win today so worst case 1-9. But like I said they should beat Brown since it's a home game, and there's the 2-8 record. Best case they beat Columbia and could possibly be 3-7.
Columbia is 4-1 and just beat Penn. Don't count on that win.
Columbia is decent, but Penn is a shell of what they used to be.
Cornell should pick up their 1st Ivy League win of the season in Saturday's game against Brown. Cornell 35 - Brown 24 is my guess.
30 seconds in and we are 25% of the way towards the best possible score in football.
Holding and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in the first three minutes.
Illegal shift and illegal block first play second half. Comedy of errors started by decision to run kickoff out of the end zone and getting all the way out to the 12.
Secondary continues to look at the receiver, not the ball. Then interferes with the receiver
wow, this team is a joke lmfao
Quote from: blackwidowwow, this team is a joke lmfao
Which one?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: blackwidowwow, this team is a joke lmfao
Which one?
good one, but i think Cornell is the bigger joke.
Another holding penalty kills a drive.
Another holding call. Who coaches these guys?
One more hold in the red xone.
please discontinue the program.. im in so much pain.. ill pay up to 20 percent of my salary to discontinue the program.
Quote from: blackwidowplease discontinue the program.. im in so much pain.. ill pay up to 20 percent of my salary to discontinue the program.
Nope, just fire Archer. :-D
Quote from: blackwidowplease discontinue the program.. im in so much pain.. ill pay up to 20 percent of my salary to discontinue the program.
Maybe just hire a coaching staff. Winless Ivy season being stared in the face.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: blackwidowplease discontinue the program.. im in so much pain.. ill pay up to 20 percent of my salary to discontinue the program.
Maybe just hire a coaching staff. Winless Ivy season being stared in the face.
No please this is too rotten.
Whoever picked the over made out okay with 94 total points scored. For a Cornell fan searching 'cornell brown football' they were saved the misery of the 49-45 home loss and learning the possibility continues for Cornell going oh-and-seven in the Ivies ... because ... Google takes you to the page for Cornell Brown, football assistant coach at Tarleton State (part of the Texas A&M system).
Man, did we have a good and lucky fourth quarter offense and a confused unlucky defense. 36 total points scored in the fourth.
Has to be a pony in there somewhere.
Next up, at home versus Princeton, now 6-0 with an 18-16 win over Harvard. Friday, 7pm.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: blackwidowplease discontinue the program.. im in so much pain.. ill pay up to 20 percent of my salary to discontinue the program.
Maybe just hire a coaching staff. Winless Ivy season being stared in the face.
Correct 9 straight losing seasons under Archer is ENOUGH!!!! Bring in a new staff with a background in winning. Look how Columbia has rebounded from the perennial loser to competing for the Ivy championship.
i just want my beloved alma mater to win at something.... if not in academics, at least in some sports... why do they insist on torturing their alums....
Quote from: blackwidowi just want my beloved alma mater to win at something.... if not in academics, at least in some sports... why do they insist on torturing their alums....
And there's no reason why winning at football isn't possible with the right staff and support from the administration.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowi just want my beloved alma mater to win at something.... if not in academics, at least in some sports... why do they insist on torturing their alums....
And there's no reason why winning at football isn't possible with the right staff and support from the administration.
You think so? i always wonder if Cornell finds it difficult to attract top talents because of location and less prestige among other things...
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowi just want my beloved alma mater to win at something.... if not in academics, at least in some sports... why do they insist on torturing their alums....
And there's no reason why winning at football isn't possible with the right staff and support from the administration.
You think so? i always wonder if Cornell finds it difficult to attract top talents because of location and less prestige among other things...
It's not attracting the top talent as much as developing the players they do recruit, and then putting them in a system that utilizes their talent to the best. It's game planning and coaching that eliminates needless penalties that often kill drives.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowi just want my beloved alma mater to win at something.... if not in academics, at least in some sports... why do they insist on torturing their alums....
And there's no reason why winning at football isn't possible with the right staff and support from the administration.
You think so? i always wonder if Cornell finds it difficult to attract top talents because of location and less prestige among other things...
It's not attracting the top talent as much as developing the players they do recruit, and then putting them in a system that utilizes their talent to the best. It's game planning and coaching that eliminates needless penalties that often kill drives.
Good point. Something's gotta give. I'm in too much pain...
Quote from: blackwidowi just want my beloved alma mater to win at something.... if not in academics, at least in some sports... why do they insist on torturing their alums....
A lot of teams would kill to have our hockey and lacrosse programs. We got jobbed out of more hardware by COVID, but it's been a great stretch by almost any standard. Plus there's wrestling
Cornell is now 14-38 in Ivy play in the Archer era, with undefeated Princeton up next. Won't be easy for the Red
Maybe Princeton players will shiver and drop catchable passes? Forecast for the 7pm Friday kickoff is 49 degrees and rain.
The Sun sees a pony in there somewhere:
Quote from: Cornell Daily SunThe pieces are all in place for Cornell to garner its second win of the season, but the Red still needs to capitalize on all opportunities to do so. If the new players can make a larger impact on offense and the defense can continue to make big plays without giving up points, the latter half of the season looks promising for the team.
Quote from: billhowardMaybe Princeton players will shiver and drop catchable passes? Forecast for the 7pm Friday kickoff is 49 degrees and rain.
The Sun sees a pony in there somewhere:
Quote from: Cornell Daily SunThe pieces are all in place for Cornell to garner its second win of the season, but the Red still needs to capitalize on all opportunities to do so. If the new players can make a larger impact on offense and the defense can continue to make big plays without giving up points, the latter half of the season looks promising for the team.
"If the offense can score lots of points and the defense can not give up a lot of points..."
So many great sports quotes, aphorisms and all-round dumb-seemingly-sane remarks. One of my favorites is, "You cant't coach height." Too bad Yogi Berra came along after Twitter.
Quote from: billhowardSo many great sports quotes, aphorisms and all-round dumb-seemingly-sane remarks. One of my favorites is, "You cant't coach height." Too bad Yogi Berra came along after Twitter.
Nobody would read Berra online. It would take so long to download because of the gigantic number of readers::rolleyes::
If the offense can only score more points than the defense gives up, I think we can have a successful program.
Quote from: billhowardSo many great sports quotes, aphorisms and all-round dumb-seemingly-sane remarks. One of my favorites is, "You cant't coach height." Too bad Yogi Berra came along after Twitter.
"I never said most of the things I said."
Quote from: margolismIf the offense can only score more points than the defense gives up, I think we can have a successful program.
I remember back in the Dan Fouts "Air Coryell" era, one wise commentator observing that the San Diego Chargers' defense was so bad that they only way they could win was by scoring more points than the other team.
Princeton plays different 3 QBs in the 1st quarter, with their freshman QB scoring putting Princeton up 7-0.
Another night of misery
Quote from: blackwidowAnother night of misery
NO misery ---There is hockey!!! LGR!!!!
Quote from: RitaQuote from: blackwidowAnother night of misery
NO misery ---There is hockey!!! LGR!!!!
Just came from the womens game at harvard lmfao
Quote from: blackwidowAnother night of misery
And hopefully the last season of misery under David Archer. 14-0 Princeton.
No O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Lmfao. Please disband the team
Cornell at least not shutout. Jameson Wang freshman Qb with the nice TD throw.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell at least not shutout. Jameson Wang freshman Qb with the nice TD throw.
I watched the game against brown and Wang seemed like one of the few good players.
As the ESPN announcers pointed out, Princeton leading the Ivy League with the least penalties, the complete opposite of Cornell. That is all on the quality of coaching.
Stop the drive, then rough the punter. End result: 3 gift Princeton points.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Can we start a campaign to get Archer fired?
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Can we start a campaign to get Archer fired?
LOL, that campaign started years ago when it was obvious Archer was too inexperienced, without any head coaching or even coordinator level experience when he was hired, and the record to date, soon to be 20-57 reflects it.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Can we start a campaign to get Archer fired?
LOL, that campaign started years ago when it was obvious Archer was too inexperienced, without any head coaching or even coordinator level experience when he was hired, and the record to date, soon to be 20-57 reflects it.
Why does cornell need football anyways? I bet it doesnt even bring any money in.
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Can we start a campaign to get Archer fired?
LOL, that campaign started years ago when it was obvious Archer was too inexperienced, without any head coaching or even coordinator level experience when he was hired, and the record to date, soon to be 20-57 reflects it.
Why does cornell need football anyways? I bet it doesnt even bring any money in.
Why does it need hockey, wrestling, lacrosse...lol.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Can we start a campaign to get Archer fired?
LOL, that campaign started years ago when it was obvious Archer was too inexperienced, without any head coaching or even coordinator level experience when he was hired, and the record to date, soon to be 20-57 reflects it.
Why does cornell need football anyways? I bet it doesnt even bring any money in.
Why does it need hockey, wrestling, lacrosse...lol.
Those programs do produce international level athletes. Football as far as i can remember has only brought shame and suffering.
Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Can we start a campaign to get Archer fired?
LOL, that campaign started years ago when it was obvious Archer was too inexperienced, without any head coaching or even coordinator level experience when he was hired, and the record to date, soon to be 20-57 reflects it.
Why does cornell need football anyways? I bet it doesnt even bring any money in.
Why does it need hockey, wrestling, lacrosse...lol.
Those programs do produce international level athletes. Football as far as i can remember has only brought shame and suffering.
Cornell has had players reach the NFL. It's about the coaching they have, not the sport.
Quote from: margolismIf the offense can only score more points than the defense gives up, I think we can have a successful program.
That was Yogi? Sage words.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioStop the drive, then rough the punter. End result: 3 gift Princeton points.
Al, put a positive spin on this:
only 3 points.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioStop the drive, then rough the punter. End result: 3 gift Princeton points.
Al, put a positive spin on this: only 3 points.
Positive for today is that there is no Cornell football game to cloud Saturday.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Ken711Quote from: blackwidowQuote from: Al DeFlorioNo O, no D, special teams can't even return a kickoff to the 25. And why do players celebrate when catching a pass while trailing by 21 after 18 minutes of play?
Can we start a campaign to get Archer fired?
LOL, that campaign started years ago when it was obvious Archer was too inexperienced, without any head coaching or even coordinator level experience when he was hired, and the record to date, soon to be 20-57 reflects it.
Why does cornell need football anyways? I bet it doesnt even bring any money in.
Why does it need hockey, wrestling, lacrosse...lol.
Those programs do produce international level athletes. Football as far as i can remember has only brought shame and suffering.
Cornell has had players reach the NFL. It's about the coaching they have, not the sport.
OTOH, one could ask why the Ivy League has football at all, given the push to prevent concussions that they keep telling us about in the ads. But since the tradition of football is what defines the Ivies, it's presumably not going anywhere.
Off to a typical start at Penn: fumble lost; offensive pass interference; defense deciding how to line up while Penn runs a play.
And why not just let Wong run the offense and drive the ball down the field.
Holding nullifies a touchdown. Then another holding on following play. Penn is awful. But Cornell just self-destructs. Wong comes in to save the drive and scores. Let him play.
[And why did anyone think shooting a football at my face is a clever way to end a replay?]
Cornell wins! I'm shocked
Big win. Good D on the last two drives to preserve the W.
Jameson Wang walking to shake hands with a big cylinder of Quaker Oats.
Quote from: ugarteBig win. Good D on the last two drives to preserve the W.
Jameson Wang walking to shake hands with a big cylinder of Quaker Oats.
Yea ... call me old fashioned but I didn't love that. You're 2-6, don't act like a clown
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: ugarteBig win. Good D on the last two drives to preserve the W.
Jameson Wang walking to shake hands with a big cylinder of Quaker Oats.
Yea ... call me old fashioned but I didn't love that. You're 2-6, don't act like a clown
i think it may have been the "game ball"
Last week, host Dartmouth thumped then-#16 Princeton 31-7, and moved to #22 in the FCS rankings. In comparison, Cornell lost to Princeton 34-16. We play at Dartmouth Saturday, 1:30 pm. Cornell upset nationally 11th-Dartmouth two years ago, 20-17. Question is, can Cornell pull off a miracle in consecutive road trips against a ranked team, or is reversion to the mean more likely?
It would be nice if Cornell can win one of its final two, versus Dartmouth or Cornell, to give coach David Archer a 3-7 record. Win both and it ties Cornell's best record of the past decade (including Kent Austin's final, 4-6, 2021 season. That would be the glass-half-full view.
[b]Cornell football in David Archer era[/b]
2013 3–7
2014 1–9
2014 1–9
2016 4–6
2017 3–7
2018 3–7
2019 4–6
2020 0–0
2021 2-8 to 4-6
Cornell Sun profile of QB Jameson Wang: https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/10/i-have-to-earn-everything-freshman-qb-jameson-wang-describes-background-challenges-as-an-asian-american-in-football/
Cornell PR pre-game story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/11/12/football-three-things-to-watch-for-the-dartmouth-game.aspx
I'll take Dartmouth in a rout, but I like the new QB. If we can't have a successful passing game, might as well try to be more of a running team - and he's a threat.
Quote from: billhowardLast week, host Dartmouth thumped then-#16 Princeton 31-7, and moved to #22 in the FCS rankings. In comparison, Cornell lost to Princeton 34-16. We play at Dartmouth Saturday, 1:30 pm. Cornell upset nationally 11th-Dartmouth two years ago, 20-17. Question is, can Cornell pull off a miracle in consecutive road trips against a ranked team, or is reversion to the mean more likely?
It would be nice if Cornell can win one of its final two, versus Dartmouth or Cornell, to give coach David Archer a 3-7 record. Win both and it ties Cornell's best record of the past decade (including Kent Austin's final, 4-6, 2021 season. That would be the glass-half-full view.
[b]Cornell football in David Archer era[/b]
2013 3–7
2014 1–9
2014 1–9
2016 4–6
2017 3–7
2018 3–7
2019 4–6
2020 0–0
2021 2-8 to 4-6
Cornell Sun profile of QB Jameson Wang: https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/10/i-have-to-earn-everything-freshman-qb-jameson-wang-describes-background-challenges-as-an-asian-american-in-football/
Cornell PR pre-game story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/11/12/football-three-things-to-watch-for-the-dartmouth-game.aspx
Wang had a number of D-1 offers and originally committed to Air Force. He attended their prep school and must've decided service academy life was not for him. Great pick-up for us.
Quote from: billhowardLast week, host Dartmouth thumped then-#16 Princeton 31-7, and moved to #22 in the FCS rankings. In comparison, Cornell lost to Princeton 34-16. We play at Dartmouth Saturday, 1:30 pm. Cornell upset nationally 11th-Dartmouth two years ago, 20-17. Question is, can Cornell pull off a miracle in consecutive road trips against a ranked team, or is reversion to the mean more likely?
It would be nice if Cornell can win one of its final two, versus Dartmouth or Cornell, to give coach David Archer a 3-7 record. Win both and it ties Cornell's best record of the past decade (including Kent Austin's final, 4-6, 2021 season. That would be the glass-half-full view.
[b]Cornell football in David Archer era[/b]
2013 3–7
2014 1–9
2014 1–9
2016 4–6
2017 3–7
2018 3–7
2019 4–6
2020 0–0
2021 2-8 to 4-6
Cornell Sun profile of QB Jameson Wang: https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/10/i-have-to-earn-everything-freshman-qb-jameson-wang-describes-background-challenges-as-an-asian-american-in-football/
Cornell PR pre-game story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/11/12/football-three-things-to-watch-for-the-dartmouth-game.aspx
That's a dismal win/lost record for a head coach and "best case" is they finish with yet another 3-7 record. Archer needs to be moved "upstairs" to an Administrative position, resign or be fired at the end of the season,
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardLast week, host Dartmouth thumped then-#16 Princeton 31-7, and moved to #22 in the FCS rankings. In comparison, Cornell lost to Princeton 34-16. We play at Dartmouth Saturday, 1:30 pm. Cornell upset nationally 11th-Dartmouth two years ago, 20-17. Question is, can Cornell pull off a miracle in consecutive road trips against a ranked team, or is reversion to the mean more likely?
It would be nice if Cornell can win one of its final two, versus Dartmouth or Cornell, to give coach David Archer a 3-7 record. Win both and it ties Cornell's best record of the past decade (including Kent Austin's final, 4-6, 2021 season. That would be the glass-half-full view.
[b]Cornell football in David Archer era[/b]
2013 3–7
2014 1–9
2014 1–9
2016 4–6
2017 3–7
2018 3–7
2019 4–6
2020 0–0
2021 2-8 to 4-6
Cornell Sun profile of QB Jameson Wang: https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/10/i-have-to-earn-everything-freshman-qb-jameson-wang-describes-background-challenges-as-an-asian-american-in-football/
Cornell PR pre-game story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/11/12/football-three-things-to-watch-for-the-dartmouth-game.aspx
That's a dismal win/lost record for a head coach and "best case" is they finish with yet another 3-7 record. Archer needs to be moved "upstairs" to an Administrative position, resign or be fired at the end of the season,
"Upstairs to an administrative position" sounds like the academic equivalent of a golden parachute. Why does he deserve this? He may be a great guy, but he's a bad coach and the results support this. Just fire him. He'll be fine. What am I missing?
Horrible punting by Cornell gives Dartmouth good field position. 1st punt goes 27 yards, and the 2nd punt 16 yards!!!! High school punting is better than this...:-D
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardLast week, host Dartmouth thumped then-#16 Princeton 31-7, and moved to #22 in the FCS rankings. In comparison, Cornell lost to Princeton 34-16. We play at Dartmouth Saturday, 1:30 pm. Cornell upset nationally 11th-Dartmouth two years ago, 20-17. Question is, can Cornell pull off a miracle in consecutive road trips against a ranked team, or is reversion to the mean more likely?
It would be nice if Cornell can win one of its final two, versus Dartmouth or Cornell, to give coach David Archer a 3-7 record. Win both and it ties Cornell's best record of the past decade (including Kent Austin's final, 4-6, 2021 season. That would be the glass-half-full view.
[b]Cornell football in David Archer era[/b]
2013 3–7
2014 1–9
2014 1–9
2016 4–6
2017 3–7
2018 3–7
2019 4–6
2020 0–0
2021 2-8 to 4-6
Cornell Sun profile of QB Jameson Wang: https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/10/i-have-to-earn-everything-freshman-qb-jameson-wang-describes-background-challenges-as-an-asian-american-in-football/
Cornell PR pre-game story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/11/12/football-three-things-to-watch-for-the-dartmouth-game.aspx
That's a dismal win/lost record for a head coach and "best case" is they finish with yet another 3-7 record. Archer needs to be moved "upstairs" to an Administrative position, resign or be fired at the end of the season,
"Upstairs to an administrative position" sounds like the academic equivalent of a golden parachute. Why does he deserve this? He may be a great guy, but he's a bad coach and the results support this. Just fire him. He'll be fine. What am I missing?
I was being nice, but yes Andy has to fire him unless he resigns which I doubt he would.
Quote from: Ken711Horrible punting by Cornell gives Dartmouth good field position. 1st punt goes 27 yards, and the 2nd punt 16 yards!!!! High school punting is better than this...:-D
And a Swiss cheese defense that can stop neither pass nor run. Add a playbook that would have a high school ashamed.
0 first downs and 6 yards total offense. Dartmouth has more than twice as many points as Cornell has yards gained.
The ubiquitous false start on 4th and one. Complete clown show so far.
Year 9 of the David Archer era looks worse than Year 1. Fire ARCHER!!!!!
Women's hockey on at 3. Grab the remote.
Unnecessary roughness with the play well beyond the infraction. No discipline. No offense. No defense. Awful special teams. Anyone see anything good?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWomen's hockey on at 3. Grab the remote.
Then men's soccer at 4
Dartmouth 28 - Cornell 0 at the half. Fire Archer!
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWomen's hockey on at 3. Grab the remote.
On the RPI feed, too, so we get a treat.
And the color man is... Dan Fridgen. I assume the son and not the guy who was head coach of the men's team for 12 years.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioWomen's hockey on at 3. Grab the remote.
On the RPI feed, too, so we get a treat.
And the color man is... Dan Fridgen. I assume the son and not the guy who was head coach of the men's team for 12 years.
No, that's the original Fridge, pickled in Pabst Blue Ribbon.
It actually is the coach. Yikes. That's a long fall.
Speaking of long falls, Cornell loses at Hangover 41-6. Total yards were 493 - 181.
Perhaps a new approach is indicated.
Seems like the coach is just lipstick on a pig unless the admin is really prepared to invest in the program.
Quote from: TrotskySpeaking of long falls, Cornell loses at Hangover 41-6. Total yards were 493 - 181.
Perhaps a new approach is indicated.
Yes, perhaps
Ken711 really hates Archer hahaha
Quote from: TrotskySpeaking of long falls, Cornell loses at Hangover 41-6. Total yards were 493 - 181.
Perhaps a new approach is indicated.
C'mon, don't sell this team short. They scored
7.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskySpeaking of long falls, Cornell loses at Hangover 41-6. Total yards were 493 - 181.
Perhaps a new approach is indicated.
C'mon, don't sell this team short. They scored 7.
They got outscored by the hockey team in under 2 periods.
Quote from: CU2007Ken711 really hates Archer hahaha
How can you hate a coach with a .266 winning percentage over 9 seasons. ::rock::
We'll, look at the bright side. Tonight when I asked Alexa what the score was for the Cornell-Dartmouth football game, she said Dartmouth had scored 14 points in the fourth quarter to win 17-14 — not nearly as bad as in the universe in which most of us live.
Let's just move to the metaverse, and the football team will become almost respectable.
https://www.sportsbetting.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-specials site lays odds on football coaches being fired (lower +number is higher odds of it happening) and our Mr. Archer is not among them. Most likely to depart is Dan Mullen from Florida; Dino Babers of Syracuse also makes the top 10. I suspect the bookies only track NCAA Division (Serious) I.
confusing. Is this from pre-season stuff? Frost just a big commitment to come back and moved coaches all around.. babers I would put the chance at less than 5%
How can Collins be on the list after 3 yrs?
Diaz/Sark/Mullen are on the hot seat
Quote from: billhowardhttps://www.sportsbetting.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-specials site lays odds on football coaches being fired (lower +number is higher odds of it happening) and our Mr. Archer is not among them. Most likely to depart is Dan Mullen from Florida; Dino Babers of Syracuse also makes the top 10. I suspect the bookies only track NCAA Division (Serious) I.
Meaningless list as it only pertains to FBS schools. Archer has belonged on a "to be fired" list years ago, and finishing with at best a 3-7 record this year, and an Ivy League record of 8 straight losing seasons by the same coach, says as much.
Prognosticators have the Lions a 6-7 point favorite. At Cornell. Game time 1 pm. Good luck to the 51 seniors/fifth-years for enduring so much.
So much is riding on this game: the chance in 2021 to capture both coveted trophies, the Trustees' Cup (Penn) and Empire State Bowl (Columbia) ... and to have a winning record in its last 3 games. This game is winnable and could lift the Red from a 3-way tie for last into 6th place should Brown (vs. Dartmouth) and Penn (vs. Princeton) fall.
Columbia overcomes a 13-0 Cornell start. Penalties, interceptions, fumbles, inopportune sacks on both sides. Cornell had a chance in the second half, but getting picked off twice in the red zone (first for a TD return but called back by a Columbia foul) on back to back plays, well, that's kind of hard to overcome. Final 34-28.
Cornell finishes 2-8, 1-6 in the Ivy League. Dartmouth and Princeton tie for the title. Cornell, Penn and Brown tie for 6th, 7th or 8th, take your pick.
this season has been more fun than i expected, tbh, despite the frustrating loss to brown. there are clear haves and have-nots in the league but hoo boy was it fun to have a real good qb (even if he played in a rotation).
Quote from: billhowardPrognosticators have the Lions a 6-7 point favorite. At Cornell. Game time 1 pm. Good luck to the 51 seniors/fifth-years for enduring so much.
So much is riding on this game: the chance in 2021 to capture both coveted trophies, the Trustees' Cup (Penn) and Empire State Bowl (Columbia) ... and to have a winning record in its last 3 games. This game is winnable and could lift the Red from a 3-way tie for last into 6th place should Brown (vs. Dartmouth) and Penn (vs. Princeton) fall.
Glass 1/4 full I guess, disregarding the 1-6 start. ;-)
Great opening drive for Cornell, up 7-0. Bogus taunting penalty called after the TD when the RB did a backflip in the end zone. He didn't even stick the landing!
Two red zone drives stalled by dumb decisions to run wide instead of forward, resulting in losses. On-line is opening holes. Run through them.
Lions tie the game at 13-13. The color combo is nice because both teams are wearing their colored jerseys. And Ithaca in November, a.k.a. Fossil Fuel September, is lovely.
As football teams, both squads look completely inept.
Final game for 51 Cornell seniors.
Wang throws a couple of picks. Didn't see the first but the second was bad because he underthrew a receiver that had the coverage beat. And as I'm typing, Cornell throws ANOTHER pick in Cornell's territory and Cornell looks to have tacked an unsportsmanlike on top but the penalty on Columbia probably means they won't score but maybe I'll strikethrough this as well.
We specialize in pass interference penalties. I'm switching to the finish of Yale-Harvard.
Nobody wishes Cornell Football ill. But if a current setback leads to future change, this would have been nine years in summary explaining why it finally happens:
The play Cornell ran and fumbled away just before the half, that Columbia scooped up for a TD--except a Cornell knee was down before the fumble--would have summarized the season. That and when Columbia throws uncatchable long passes into the red zone, pass interference calls put Columbia there. Looks as if Columbia covers the spread, too.
Futility In Football actually would be Cornell catching life late in Q4, rolling down into the Columbia red zone, and throws 2 straight interceptions, the first a pick-six return except Columbia on defense was called for--did the announcers really say that, initially?--ineligible receiver.
What is the Cornell-vs.-Columbia record for penalties in a game?
Quote from: billhowardNobody wishes Cornell Football ill. But if a current setback leads to future change, this would have been nine years in summary explaining why it finally happens:
The play Cornell ran and fumbled away just before the half, that Columbia scooped up for a TD--except a Cornell knee was down before the fumble--would have summarized the season. That and when Columbia throws uncatchable long passes into the red zone, pass interference calls put Columbia there. Looks as if Columbia covers the spread, too.
Futility In Football actually would be Cornell catching life late in Q4, rolling down into the Columbia red zone, and throws 2 straight interceptions, the first a pick-six return except Columbia on defense was called for--did the announcers really say that, initially?--ineligible receiver.
What is the Cornell-vs.-Columbia record for penalties in a game?
Time for a complete overhaul of the program. Archer's eight-year record: 21 and 59. A few bright spots, however — Wang, Stebbins etc. The seniors must be breathing a sigh of relief. All of these guys deserved a lot better experience than what they received.
Wouldn't it be a riot to hire LSU's cajun coach Ed Orgeron to revive us? When he turned Ole Miss around years ago he started his first team meeting by taking off his shirt and challenging everyone in the room to a fight.
Or maybe ex-Texas coach Steve Sarkisian. Texas is paying him about 32 million to not coach them this year, so he doesn't need the money.
Quote from: TimVWouldn't it be a riot to hire LSU's cajun coach Ed Orgeron to revive us? When he turned Ole Miss around years ago he started his first team meeting by taking off his shirt and challenging everyone in the room to a fight.
Or maybe ex-Texas coach Steve Sarkisian. Texas is paying him about 32 million to not coach them this year, so he doesn't need the money.
Sarkisian is Texas' current coach, but maybe not for long after 6 straight losses
This darkness got to give.
It's been nearly a decade of losing under David Archer. Results matter in sports, even in the Ivy League, and Archer's coaching record speaks for himself. A career 21-59 and a .262 career winning percentage. It cannot be spun or looked at any other way. Cornell football deserves better!
Andy is out of the office until Dec. 2 on vacation. Anyone who wants to email him and Ryan Lombardi the Vice President for Student & Campus Life about finally replacing David Archer like I did, their email addresses are below:
Jan16@cornell.edu
Ryan.lombardi@cornell.edu
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardhttps://www.sportsbetting.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-specials site lays odds on football coaches being fired (lower +number is higher odds of it happening) and our Mr. Archer is not among them. Most likely to depart is Dan Mullen from Florida; Dino Babers of Syracuse also makes the top 10. I suspect the bookies only track NCAA Division (Serious) I.
Meaningless list as it only pertains to FBS schools. Archer has belonged on a "to be fired" list years ago, and finishing with at best a 3-7 record this year, and an Ivy League record of 8 straight losing seasons by the same coach, says as much.
if Archer were not on a similar list for FCS schools, it could only be seen as a statement that the oddsmakers are as cynical as we are about our AD (department or director, take your pick) having the stones to make the move.
He's Jan16? Sounds like a South American revolutionary holiday: The Glorious Rising Of The Peasants And The Burros Day.
Andy Noel's legacy may well be setting the framework for the move of Cornell athletics a) farther from main campus and b) onto more spacious fields (but with only 50-100 parking spaces?).
Quote from: billhowardHe's Jan16? Sounds like a South American revolutionary holiday: The Glorious Rising Of The Peasants And The Burros Day.
Jan16 is also Andy.noel@cornell.edu btw.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardhttps://www.sportsbetting.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-specials site lays odds on football coaches being fired (lower +number is higher odds of it happening) and our Mr. Archer is not among them. Most likely to depart is Dan Mullen from Florida; Dino Babers of Syracuse also makes the top 10. I suspect the bookies only track NCAA Division (Serious) I.
Meaningless list as it only pertains to FBS schools. Archer has belonged on a "to be fired" list years ago, and finishing with at best a 3-7 record this year, and an Ivy League record of 8 straight losing seasons by the same coach, says as much.
if Archer were not on a similar list for FCS schools, it could only be seen as a statement that the oddsmakers are as cynical as we are about our AD (department or director, take your pick) having the stones to make the move.
I agree. On the basis of his record alone, he should have been replaced after 5 years. Is firing a Cornell alumnus that difficult or does Archer hold some incriminating evidence on the athletic department. ::whistle::
Quote from: Ken711Is firing a Cornell alumnus that difficult or does Archer hold some incriminating evidence on the athletic department. ::whistle::
Maybe it just comes down to Archer being a popular guy among the donors. I'd think the instant the tap shuts off he's done. There must be a reason the type of old fart who still supports Cornell football likes the guy.
Quote from: TrotskyMaybe it just comes down to Archer being a popular guy among the donors. I'd think the instant the tap shuts off he's done. There must be a reason the type of old fart who still supports Cornell football likes the guy.
Annoying a school's football alumni association, many of them supporters of the sport as well as sources of summer internships that don't pay minimum wage, is a bad thing for a coach's longevity.
Weren't we ready to throw Brian Earl to the wolves after dropping from almost .500 to 7-20 in 2019-2020 ... and now he had Cornell on a 4-0 start plus a good loss to Penn State.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyMaybe it just comes down to Archer being a popular guy among the donors. I'd think the instant the tap shuts off he's done. There must be a reason the type of old fart who still supports Cornell football likes the guy.
Annoying a school's football alumni association, many of them supporters of the sport as well as sources of summer internships that don't pay minimum wage, is a bad thing for a coach's longevity.
Weren't we ready to throw Brian Earl to the wolves after dropping from almost .500 to 7-20 in 2019-2020 ... and now he had Cornell on a 4-0 start plus a good loss to Penn State.
Ummm...Earl is in his 6th season and had a .500 season in only his 3rd season. Archer is in his 9th season and has failed to even reach .500 in any of his seasons! Archer's career .262 winning percentage is beyond awful. David Archer has to go.
Football alums are not happy with the current state of the program. The Cornell Football Association disbanded a couple of years ago. On the CFA website, the Chairman wrote "Results matter!"
I have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.
That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.
Quote from: TrotskyI have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.
That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.
crowds are about equal for the 2 sports n04 but when fball is good they get 4-5x as many people. fball still a much larger sports base and boosters follow their sport most likely.
Quote from: TrotskyI have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.
That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.
Here's a one-day snapshot of how all the sports teams did on the university's annual giving day this spring: https://givingday.cornell.edu/leaderboards/bigred
Men's hockey raised $64K from 189 donations and football got $54K from 98 donations.
I don't have the emails from Andy Noel anymore, but IIRC the football team fell significantly short of its goal for 2020-21. (The football team has a much larger goal than any other team.) I think men's hockey was right on its goal of maybe $150K or $200K?
I'm not sure if that represents the full scope of donations to the athletics department.
NY Giants fired OC Jason Garrett today. Jason *is* familiar with IVY League footbal and after dealing with the whims / control of Jerry Jones and then the NY city media, maybe he needs a sabbatical of sorts. Come to idyllic Ithaca, re-group and help a horrible program. Maybe????
Quote from: RitaNY Giants fired OC Jason Garrett today. Jason *is* familiar with IVY League footbal and after dealing with the whims / control of Jerry Jones and then the NY city media, maybe he needs a sabbatical of sorts. Come to idyllic Ithaca, re-group and help a horrible program. Maybe????
Be a good choice to take over the reins at Princeton if current coach Bob Surace (also a Princeton alum) was screwing up by the numbers and Garrett wanted to live a quality life with Old Nassau for a decade until he turns 65.
Quote from: RitaNY Giants fired OC Jason Garrett today. Jason *is* familiar with IVY League footbal and after dealing with the whims / control of Jerry Jones and then the NY city media, maybe he needs a sabbatical of sorts. Come to idyllic Ithaca, re-group and help a horrible program. Maybe????
Jason Voorhees from the Halloween movies couldn't do a worse job than David Archer has been doing.
Cornell placed 3 each on the All-Ivy first and second team:
WR, Thomas Glover, senior
OL, Hunter Nourzad, senior
LB, Jake Stebbins, junior
Second team:
OL, Jack Burns, senior
LB, Lance Blass, 5th year
CB, Michael Irons, senior
The All-Ivy football team
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Joe Green, Columbia (So., QB – Sammamish, Wash.)
COACH OF THE YEAR
Buddy Teevens, Dartmouth
FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY^
OFFENSE
Hunter Nourzad, Cornell (Sr., OL – Marietta, Ga.)
Evan Hecimovich, Dartmouth (5th, OL – Lisle, Ill.)
Jake Guidone, Dartmouth (5th, OL – East Walpole, Mass.)
Spencer Rolland, Harvard (Sr., OL – Burnsville, Minn.)
Henry Byrd, Princeton (Sr., OL – Nashville, Tenn.)
Reily Radosevich, Princeton (Sr., OL – Manalapan, N.J.)
EJ Perry, Brown (Sr., QB – Andover, Mass.)
Dante Miller, Columbia (Sr., RB – Rockingham, N.C.)
Nick Howard, Dartmouth (Jr., QB – Green Bay, Wis.)
* Aaron Shampklin, Harvard (Jr., RB – Paramount, Calif.)
Collin Eaddy, Princeton (Sr., RB – Raleigh, N.C.)
Thomas Glover, Cornell (Sr., WR – Pasadena, Calif.)
* Jacob Birmelin, Princeton (Sr., WR – Royal Palm Beach, Fla.)
Carson Bobo, Princeton (Sr., TE – Birmingham, Ala.)
JJ Howland, Yale (Sr., TE – Fiskdale, Mass.)
DEFENSE
Chris Smith, Harvard (Jr., DL – Detroit, Mich.)
Jacob Sykes, Harvard (Jr., DL – Kansas City, Mo.)
Prince Emili, Penn (Gr., DL – New City, N.Y.)
Samuel Wright II, Princeton (Sr., DL – Lawrenceville, Ga.)
Clay Patterson, Yale (So., DL – Frisco, Texas)
Jake Stebbins, Cornell (Jr., LB – Cranberry Township, Pa.)
Jalen Mackie, Dartmouth (Sr., LB – Miramar, Fla.)
Jordan Hill, Harvard (Sr., LB – Silver Spring, Md.)
Jack McGowan, Harvard (Sr., LB – Canton, Mass.)
Brian O'Neill, Penn (Gr., LB – Roseland, N.J.)
* Jeremiah Tyler, Princeton (Sr., LB – Detroit, Mich.)
James Johnson, Princeton (Sr., LB – Moorestown, N.J.)
John Dean, Yale (Sr., LB – Wrentham, Mass.)
Ben Mathiasmeier, Columbia (Sr., DB – Katy, Texas)
Isaiah Johnson, Dartmouth (Sr., CB – Beverly Hills, Mich.)
Alex Washington, Harvard (So., CB – Hoover, Ala.)
Trevor Forbes, Princeton (Sr., DB – Memphis, Tenn.)
Rodney Thomas II, Yale (Sr., DB – Pittsburgh, Pa.)
SPECIAL TEAMS
Jonah Lipel, Harvard (Jr., K – Tarzana, Calif.)
Will Powers, Princeton (Jr., P – Plano, Texas)
Michael Roussos, Columbia (Sr., RS – New Port Richey, Fla.)
SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY^
OFFENSE
Chad Broome-Webster, Brown (Sr., OL – Orlando, Fla.)
Tyler Worrell, Columbia (Sr., OL – Katy, Texas)
Jack Burns, Cornell (Sr., OL – Kansas City, Kan.)
John Paul Flores, Dartmouth (Sr., OL – Arlington, Texas)
Trevor Radosevich, Penn (Sr., OL – Englishtown, N.J.)
David Hoffman, Princeton (Sr., OL – Basking Ridge, N.J.)
Derek Kyler, Dartmouth (5th, QB – DeKalb, Ill.)
Aidan Borguet, Harvard (So., RB – Franklinville, N.J.)
Isaiah Malcome, Penn (Gr., RB – Atlanta, Ga.)
Wes Rockett, Brown (Jr., WR – Marblehead, Mass.)
Andrei Iosivas, Princeton (Jr., WR – Honolulu, Hawaii)
Melvin Rouse II, Yale (Sr., WR – East Charlotte, N.C.)
Mason Tipton, Yale (So., WR – Akron, Ohio)
JJ Jones III, Dartmouth (5th, TE – Tracy, Calif.)
DEFENSE
Paul Akere, Columbia (Sr., DL – Carrollton, Texas)
Shane Cokes, Dartmouth (Jr., DL – Dayton, Ohio)
Seth Walter, Dartmouth (5th, DE – Longboat Key, Fla.)
Nate Leskovec, Harvard (So., DL – Solon, Ohio)
Uche Ndukwe, Princeton (Jr., DL – Dedham, Mass.)
Cam Dillon, Columbia (Sr., LB – Findlay, Ohio)
Junior Gafa, Brown (Jr., LB – San Pedro, Calif.)
Scott Valentas, Columbia (Jr., LB –Wichita, Kan.)
Lance Blass, Cornell (5th, LB – Mountaintop, Pa.)
Marques White, Dartmouth (Jr., LB – Glendale, Ariz.)
Michael Irons, Cornell (Sr., CB – McGregor, Texas)
Niko Mermigas, Dartmouth (5th, S – Wexford, Pa.)
James Herring, Harvard (Jr., S – Dallas, Texas)
Jason McCleod, Jr., Penn (Sr., DB – West Palm Beach, Fla.)
Wande Owens , Yale (Jr., DB – Cooksville, Md.)
SPECIAL TEAMS
Alex Felkins, Columbia (Jr., K – Tulsa, Okla.)
Jack Bosman, Yale (So., P – San Diego, Calif.)
Melvin Rouse II, Yale (Sr., RS – East Charlotte, N.C.)
HONORABLE MENTION
OFFENSE
Calvin Atkeson, Dartmouth (Sr. OL – Raleigh, N.C.)
Hunt Sparks, Harvard (Sr., OL – Norman, Okla.)
Kiran Amegadjie, Yale (So., OL – Hinsdale, Ill.)
Cameron Warfield, Yale (Sr., OL – Washington, D.C.)
Cole Smith, Princeton (Sr., QB – Knoxville, Tenn.)
Allen Smith, Brown (Sr., RB – Westerville, Ohio)
Ryan Young, Columbia (Sr., RB – Wheaton, Ill.)
Spencer Alston, Yale (Jr., RB – Reston, Va.)
Graham Walker, Brown (So., WR – Hinesburg, Vt.)
Paxton Scott, Dartmouth (So., WR – Dallas, Texas)
Dylan Classi, Princeton (Sr., WR – Englewood Cliffs, N.J.)
Robbie Mangas, Dartmouth (Sr., TE – Chantilly, Va.)
DEFENSE
Jake Heimlicher, Penn (Sr., DL – Aurora, Colo.)
Micah Morris, Penn (Sr., DL – Pittsburgh, Pa.)
Reid Nickerson, Yale (Jr., DL – Friendswood, Texas)
Jordan Colbert, Columbia (Sr., DB – Washington, D.C.)
Will Allen, Columbia (Sr., DB – Pembroke Pines, Fla.)
Logan Thut, Cornell (5th, S – Mantua, Ohio)
Delan Stallworth, Princeton (Sr., DB – Cincinnati, Ohio)
Miles Oldacre, Yale (Jr., DB – Spring, Texas)
SPECIAL TEAMS
Connor Davis, Dartmouth (Sr., K – Ocala, Fla.)
Drew Schmid, Columbia (Sr., P – San Diego, Calif.)
Jamal Cooney, Dartmouth (Jr., RS— Miami, Fla.)
^ First and Second Teams Expanded Due to Ties in Voting
* Unanimous Selection
Ivy League press release: https://ivyleague.com/news/2021/11/23/ivy-league-announces-football-all-ivy-rookie-of-the-year-coach-of-the-year.aspx
Offensive and defensive POTY named Dec. 13
Quote from: WederQuote from: TrotskyI have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.
That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.
Here's a one-day snapshot of how all the sports teams did on the university's annual giving day this spring: https://givingday.cornell.edu/leaderboards/bigred
Men's hockey raised $64K from 189 donations and football got $54K from 98 donations.
I don't have the emails from Andy Noel anymore, but IIRC the football team fell significantly short of its goal for 2020-21. (The football team has a much larger goal than any other team.) I think men's hockey was right on its goal of maybe $150K or $200K?
I'm not sure if that represents the full scope of donations to the athletics department.
From that chart, sprint football got almost as much as hockey and football combined. That is... counter-intuitive. But it (and rowing) suggest to me that most of these gifts are coming from ex-athletes, not fans, and given that the football roster is 4x the size of the hockey roster...
But I'm heartened the gifts aren't that big. No doubt the serious bribery happens in a different bucket, but at least its not endemic.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WederQuote from: TrotskyI have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.
That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.
Here's a one-day snapshot of how all the sports teams did on the university's annual giving day this spring: https://givingday.cornell.edu/leaderboards/bigred
Men's hockey raised $64K from 189 donations and football got $54K from 98 donations.
I don't have the emails from Andy Noel anymore, but IIRC the football team fell significantly short of its goal for 2020-21. (The football team has a much larger goal than any other team.) I think men's hockey was right on its goal of maybe $150K or $200K?
I'm not sure if that represents the full scope of donations to the athletics department.
From that chart, sprint football got almost as much as hockey and football combined. That is... counter-intuitive. But it (and rowing) suggest to me that most of these gifts are coming from ex-athletes, not fans, and given that the football roster is 4x the size of the hockey roster...
But I'm heartened the gifts aren't that big. No doubt the serious bribery happens in a different bucket, but at least its not endemic.
A couple of years ago I got a note from someone asking if I had a connection to the women's hockey team (I don't), so I suspect you're right that the number of donations from fans is very small.
There are two opinion pieces in today's Sun lambasting the sorry state of Cornell football.
Quote from: CASThere are two opinion pieces in today's Sun lambasting the sorry state of Cornell football.
Well written opinion piece, that I totally agree with. Change is needed now!
From Mark Wolcott '83 in the Cornell Daily Sun this week, more on the perceived deterioration of Cornell sports and facilities than football. https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/29/guest-room-should-cornell-exit-the-ivy-league/
Quote from: Mark WolcottCornell soccer has had a spectacular season and are nationally ranked. The only problem is that our soccer facility is located almost next to the Vet School and they rarely draw more than a couple hundred fans. For years Cornell's soccer games were held at the historic Schoellkopf Field and students would pack the West Stands ( the Student Section) for home games. Unfortunately, the West Stands were condemned and torn down in 2016 and the administration didn't think our students needed them anymore. Today, Cornell is the only Ivy institution with "half" a stadium that continues to deteriorate. This year they had to place a red tarp over part of the Crescent because it no longer meets safety protocols.
Quote from: billhowardFrom Mark Wolcott '83 in the Cornell Daily Sun this week, more on the perceived deterioration of Cornell sports and facilities than football. https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/29/guest-room-should-cornell-exit-the-ivy-league/
Quote from: Mark WolcottCornell soccer has had a spectacular season and are nationally ranked. The only problem is that our soccer facility is located almost next to the Vet School and they rarely draw more than a couple hundred fans. For years Cornell's soccer games were held at the historic Schoellkopf Field and students would pack the West Stands ( the Student Section) for home games. Unfortunately, the West Stands were condemned and torn down in 2016 and the administration didn't think our students needed them anymore. Today, Cornell is the only Ivy institution with "half" a stadium that continues to deteriorate. This year they had to place a red tarp over part of the Crescent because it no longer meets safety protocols.
The soccer field is like a 3-minute walk from Schoellkopf, and soccer shouldn't be played on fake grass.
Quote from: WederThe soccer field is like a 3-minute walk from Schoellkopf, and soccer shouldn't be played on fake grass.
Artificial turf now seems to be called a turf field, which can be confusing to boomers. When artificial turf arrived late 1960s it was for rich schools. Now it's grass that is costly and most youth sports fields go artificial because grass can't stand up to 8-12 hours of use Saturday / Sunday plus afternoons / evenings on weekdays. What's on Cornell's fields today is worlds better, softer, less abrasive than the Polyturf field that was also called the Marinaro Meadow.
i will have to check but is the tarp really there for safety reasons or to control the crowds locations? i know they spend a boatload to work on the concrete
so they think the kids can walk to lynah but that 100 extra yds to the backside where soccer is is too much? considering the location of the dorms wouldnt soccer be closer for many kids?
As a long time season ticket holder for football attendance has to be a concern. Without parents of players, band members, and maybe cheerleaders there would not be anybody at the games. Low attendance probably also a reason for the tarp. The football team's current state is a factor but looking at attendance for the other Ivy League schools it has to be a concern for the whole league.
Quote from: rss77As a long time season ticket holder for football attendance has to be a concern. Without parents of players, band members, and maybe cheerleaders there would not be anybody at the games. Low attendance probably also a reason for the tarp. The football team's current state is a factor but looking at attendance for the other Ivy League schools it has to be a concern for the whole league.
Besides our longstanding ineptitude, I think the fact that the Ivy champ cannot participate in the FCS playoffs dampens enthusiasm for all the Ivy teams--even those who actually win a lot. Without the possibility of a national championship, it's hard for me, and likely many others, to get too worked up about winning an 8-team league. The Ivies have been nationally successful in so many sports, and it's beyond silly that the Ivy champ cannot participate in the FCS playoffs.
Yup. the fact they dont let these kids compete for a NC when all the other sports can is beyond dumb.. it would help attendance all over the ivies as well as better players would come if given a chance for a NC.
Quote from: upprdeckYup. the fact they dont let these kids compete for a NC when all the other sports can is beyond dumb.. it would help attendance all over the ivies as well as better players would come if given a chance for a NC.
The Ivy rules are completely random. Basketball starts at the same time as everyone else and plays the same number of games, yet almost every other Ivy sport has later starts and game limits below what the NCAA sets.
Quote from: upprdeckYup. the fact they dont let these kids compete for a NC when all the other sports can is beyond dumb.. it would help attendance all over the ivies as well as better players would come if given a chance for a NC.
But in the view of the Ivy Presidents if you allowed FCS playoffs, the next step will be the BCS Championship and playing in the Rose Bowl..::crazy::
and as we all know once the season is over all those kids stop wasting time working out and just study 100 hrs a week.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: rss77As a long time season ticket holder for football attendance has to be a concern. Without parents of players, band members, and maybe cheerleaders there would not be anybody at the games. Low attendance probably also a reason for the tarp. The football team's current state is a factor but looking at attendance for the other Ivy League schools it has to be a concern for the whole league.
Besides our longstanding ineptitude, I think the fact that the Ivy champ cannot participate in the FCS playoffs dampens enthusiasm for all the Ivy teams--even those who actually win a lot. Without the possibility of a national championship, it's hard for me, and likely many others, to get too worked up about winning an 8-team league. The Ivies have been nationally successful in so many sports, and it's beyond silly that the Ivy champ cannot participate in the FCS playoffs.
Some have suggested--seriously? a joke?--that the Harvard and Yale presidents, presidents not athletic directors deciding on football taking part in the FCS playoffs, do not want something at season's end upstaging The Game.
Yale in years past tarped off areas of the Yale Bowl not for small crowd reasons but because so many rows were so splintery. Except for the Harvard game, Yale doesn't need even half the 61,446 seats.
Random 2021 games. Wondering what is the second-best attended game involving an Ivy team.
This year, Harvard at Yale drew 49,500
Yale at Dartmouth drew 10,079
Harvard at Princeton drew 10,033
Yale at Princeton drew 7,686.
Cornell at Harvard drew 7,414
Quote from: billhowardYale in years past tarped off areas of the Yale Bowl not for small crowd reasons but because so many rows were so splintery. Except for the Harvard game, Yale doesn't need even half the 61,446 seats.
Random 2021 games. Wondering what is the second-best attended game involving an Ivy team.
This year, Harvard at Yale drew 49,500
Yale at Dartmouth drew 10,079
Harvard at Princeton drew 10,033
Yale at Princeton drew 7,686.
Cornell at Harvard drew 7,414
Bill you missed a few:
Brown at Harvard drew 20,748
Dartmouth at Harvard drew 14,110
Penn at Columbia drew 11,054
Do we really tarp off the stadium because of low attendance?! The Ivy League's Jacksonville Jaguars
Quote from: CU2007Do we really tarp off the stadium because of low attendance?! The Ivy League's Jacksonville Jaguars
It doesn't look terrible, to be honest. It's several rows at the top of the Crescent. (It's at least better than the tarp with the Under Armour ad that they have/had at the Yale Bowl.) Who knows how it will look after an Ithaca winter, though.
Former Cornell football coach Jim Knowles is getting a lot of credit for Oklahoma State's good season.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-knowles-defense-thriving-against-insanity-of-big-12-has-oklahoma-state-firmly-in-playoff-race/
Another Letter to the Editor on the state of the football program and David Archer.
https://cornellsun.com/2021/12/02/letter-to-the-editor-cornell-football-program/?fbclid=IwAR2n898UAuWMZtxLJpdHNHhVa7HsCTXDK1nZWYEQs0n4OIC7VjSPVd44C5w
Quote from: jkahnFormer Cornell football coach Jim Knowles is getting a lot of credit for Oklahoma State's good season.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-knowles-defense-thriving-against-insanity-of-big-12-has-oklahoma-state-firmly-in-playoff-race/
Is he just another in the long line of former Cornell coaches who underachieved in Ithaca but went on to do bigger and better things elsewhere?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnFormer Cornell football coach Jim Knowles is getting a lot of credit for Oklahoma State's good season.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-knowles-defense-thriving-against-insanity-of-big-12-has-oklahoma-state-firmly-in-playoff-race/
Is he just another in the long line of former Cornell coaches who underachieved in Ithaca but went on to do bigger and better things elsewhere?
Good for Knowles, but at least he had experience as a defense coordinator before he came to Cornell. Archer never attained the level of coordinator position, before he was elevated to head coach.
Quote from: jkahnFormer Cornell football coach Jim Knowles is getting a lot of credit for Oklahoma State's good season.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-knowles-defense-thriving-against-insanity-of-big-12-has-oklahoma-state-firmly-in-playoff-race/
We're a different, mini cradle of coaches. Just that when coaches moved on from Miami of Ohio to bigger venues, they moved on with good records. Although Knowles' 26-34 isn't bad by Cornell standards;
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: jkahnFormer Cornell football coach Jim Knowles is getting a lot of credit for Oklahoma State's good season.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-knowles-defense-thriving-against-insanity-of-big-12-has-oklahoma-state-firmly-in-playoff-race/
We're a different, mini cradle of coaches. Just that when coaches moved on from Miami of Ohio to bigger venues, they moved on with good records. Although Knowles' 26-34 isn't bad by Cornell standards;
Knowles had the last winning season record a long 16 years ago, when the 2005 team ended 6-4.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnFormer Cornell football coach Jim Knowles is getting a lot of credit for Oklahoma State's good season.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-knowles-defense-thriving-against-insanity-of-big-12-has-oklahoma-state-firmly-in-playoff-race/
Is he just another in the long line of former Cornell coaches who underachieved in Ithaca but went on to do bigger and better things elsewhere?
Ohio State Buckeyes hire Oklahoma State's Jim Knowles as defensive coordinator
https://apple.news/AeOb5VNQDQUacyRcJ7QRnBA
Quote from: jeff '84Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnFormer Cornell football coach Jim Knowles is getting a lot of credit for Oklahoma State's good season.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-knowles-defense-thriving-against-insanity-of-big-12-has-oklahoma-state-firmly-in-playoff-race/
Is he just another in the long line of former Cornell coaches who underachieved in Ithaca but went on to do bigger and better things elsewhere?
Ohio State Buckeyes hire Oklahoma State's Jim Knowles as defensive coordinator
https://apple.news/AeOb5VNQDQUacyRcJ7QRnBA
Knowles made 800k at Oklahoma State this past season, They tried to keep him but couldn't match the salary being offered by Ohio State University which is close to $2 million, making him one of the highest paid defensive coordinators in college football.
Good for you, Jim Knowles. Ohio State as of ~5 years ago had the nation's highest athletics budget.
Story here says TOSU had $234 million in athletics revenue in 2019-2020. My liberal arts math says that's a quarter of a billion dollars.
https://news.osu.edu/ohio-state-athletics-notches-record-revenue-spends-less-than-last-year/#:~:text=The%20department%20brought%20in%20%24233%2C871%2C740,each%20year%20with%20the%20NCAA.
And still, Cornell remains the the only school that's played football multiple times against TOSU and never lost. 23-14 in '39 and 31-7 in '40! LGR!
Quote from: billhowardGood for you, Jim Knowles. Ohio State as of ~5 years ago had the nation's highest athletics budget.
Story here says TOSU had $234 million in athletics revenue in 2019-2020. My liberal arts math says that's a quarter of a billion dollars.
https://news.osu.edu/ohio-state-athletics-notches-record-revenue-spends-less-than-last-year/#:~:text=The%20department%20brought%20in%20%24233%2C871%2C740,each%20year%20with%20the%20NCAA.
The year the WCHA Frozen Four was played at THE Ohio State Arena, I walked from their old rinky-dink rink towards the center of the campus, and I swear that in my random walk, it felt that 75% of the campus is dedicated to athletics facilities. Even the first academic building I came across was for the Department of Physical Fitness Education or something like that. We joke about the phrase "jock factories," but............yeah.
Be a start if: no athletic dorms.
Once Cornell builds out the sportsplex near the cow barns and polo arena, do apartment villages pop up that are favored by athletes for proximity to practice and game fields?
QuoteTo land Jim Knowles, Ohio State made him the highest paid assistant in Buckeye history. The new Buckeyes defensive coordinator will make $1.9 million annually as part of his three-year deal. That is significantly more than the $1.3 million the Oklahoma State Cowboys were reportedly set to offer him as part of a 5-year contract extension.
After he was released as the New York Giants' offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett was given very strong consideration for the open head coaching position at Duke. In the end, however, he was passed over for the job.
Garrett comes from a coaching family, has an Ivy pedigree (Princeton and Columbia), extensive pro coaching experience, some NFL playing time, he's 55 and really shouldn't need a big payday, why not finish out his career at Cornell?
Moreover, Garrett might make a great mentor for Jameson Wang, "the second coming Gary Wood."
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Quote from: George64After he was released as the New York Giants' offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett was given very strong consideration for the open head coaching position at Duke. In the end, however, he was passed over for the job.
Garrett comes from a coaching family, has an Ivy pedigree (Princeton and Columbia), extensive pro coaching experience, some NFL playing time, he's 55 and really shouldn't need a big payday, why not finish out his career at Cornell?
Moreover, Garrett might make a great mentor for Jameson Wang, "the second coming Gary Wood."
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who did Duke hire? When Garret got released by the NY Giants, that was my first though - come to Ithaca. I thought Garret would have been at good fit at Duke.
From NBC Sports:
Jason Garrett was a candidate for the Duke head coaching vacancy and believed to be the favorite for the job. . .
Duke is finalizing a deal to make Texas A&M defensive coordinator Mike Elko the school's next head coach. . .
Elko spent four seasons at A&M after serving as Notre Dame's defensive coordinator in 2017. He also worked as the defensive coordinator at Wake Forest for three seasons.
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Quote from: RitaQuote from: George64After he was released as the New York Giants' offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett was given very strong consideration for the open head coaching position at Duke. In the end, however, he was passed over for the job.
Garrett comes from a coaching family, has an Ivy pedigree (Princeton and Columbia), extensive pro coaching experience, some NFL playing time, he's 55 and really shouldn't need a big payday, why not finish out his career at Cornell?
Moreover, Garrett might make a great mentor for Jameson Wang, "the second coming Gary Wood."
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who did Duke hire? When Garret got released by the NY Giants, that was my first though - come to Ithaca. I thought Garret would have been at good fit at Duke.
Mike Elko, Texas A&M defensive coordinator
Quote from: RitaQuote from: George64After he was released as the New York Giants' offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett was given very strong consideration for the open head coaching position at Duke. In the end, however, he was passed over for the job.
Garrett comes from a coaching family, has an Ivy pedigree (Princeton and Columbia), extensive pro coaching experience, some NFL playing time, he's 55 and really shouldn't need a big payday, why not finish out his career at Cornell?
Moreover, Garrett might make a great mentor for Jameson Wang, "the second coming Gary Wood."
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who did Duke hire? When Garret got released by the NY Giants, that was my first though - come to Ithaca. I thought Garret would have been at good fit at Duke.
I don't see Garrett dealing with recruiting at the college level. Mike Elko, who rose to acclaim as a defensive coordinator at Wake Forest, Notre Dame and most recently Texas A&M, got his first head coaching job when he agreed to take over the Duke Blue Devils' program Friday night.
There's hasn't been a whisper out of the AD's office on the Cornell football program, either they aren't going to do anything yet again (probable), or they are waiting until after the 3 day signing period which starts this Wednesday (hopeful).
When you've spent 10 years as head coach of the Cowboys (and have now been out of that job going on 2 years), and you're 55, maybe you think you've got another shot as an offense/coordinator then HC ... maybe Duke is okay as a place to regroup for a year or two, Princeton would be passable b/c you played there, but Cornell might seem to be saying, "I'm on cruise control en route to retirement and golf."
Or it could be recruiting at the college level is not his strength.
Quote from: billhowardCornell might seem to be saying, "I'm on cruise control en route to retirement and golf."
Given the formidable challenges inherent in the Cornell football program, a successful head coach here could hardly operate on cruise control.
As for recruiting, I'd think that a prospective player would be thrilled to play for a head coach with Garrett's resume. Plus, I think he'd be able to attract competent assistants.
That being said, we'll probably see David Archer back on the sideline next fall. The only thing that will change this scenario is if football supporters with deep pockets say "enough is enough!"
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Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardCornell might seem to be saying, "I'm on cruise control en route to retirement and golf."
Given the formidable challenges inherent in the Cornell football program, a successful head coach here could hardly operate on cruise control.
As for recruiting, I'd think that a prospective player would be thrilled to play for a head coach with Garrett's resume. Plus, I think he'd be able to attract competent assistants.
That being said, we'll probably see David Archer back on the sideline next fall. The only thing that will change this scenario is if football supporters with deep pockets say "enough is enough!"
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Or Andy retires.
Quote from: Ken711There's hasn't been a whisper out of the AD's office on the Cornell football program, either they aren't going to do anything yet again (probable), or they are waiting until after the 3 day signing period which starts this Wednesday (hopeful).
If there actually are any Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums (mental picture: Sterling Hayden in Strangelove) then they have to be doing everything short of banging Noel's nuts in the desk drawer to make him fire Archer.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711There's hasn't been a whisper out of the AD's office on the Cornell football program, either they aren't going to do anything yet again (probable), or they are waiting until after the 3 day signing period which starts this Wednesday (hopeful).
If there actually are any Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums (mental picture: Sterling Hayden in Strangelove) then they have to be doing everything short of banging Noel's nuts in the desk drawer to make him fire Archer.
I think there's video of these "Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums" visiting with Andy recently in his office regarding the state of the football program. (https://media3.giphy.com/media/4qx6IRdg26uZ3MTtRn/giphy.gif)
i am going to once again say this gently because i am sometimes mystified at the conversation here: jason garrett would retire before taking a job coaching at cornell university. we wouldn't pay enough to make it worth his time even if it weren't in upstate new york. he doesn't want a "challenge" he wants to be the offensive coordinator or head coach of a team in the nfl.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711There's hasn't been a whisper out of the AD's office on the Cornell football program, either they aren't going to do anything yet again (probable), or they are waiting until after the 3 day signing period which starts this Wednesday (hopeful).
If there actually are any Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums (mental picture: Sterling Hayden in Strangelove) then they have to be doing everything short of banging Noel's nuts in the desk drawer to make him fire Archer.
What about the guy who paid to have all those games on TV in the 90s? Is he still alive?
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711There's hasn't been a whisper out of the AD's office on the Cornell football program, either they aren't going to do anything yet again (probable), or they are waiting until after the 3 day signing period which starts this Wednesday (hopeful).
If there actually are any Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums (mental picture: Sterling Hayden in Strangelove) then they have to be doing everything short of banging Noel's nuts in the desk drawer to make him fire Archer.
What about the guy who paid to have all those games on TV in the 90s? Is he still alive?
I think it was: https://cornellbigred.com/honors/hall-of-fame/roger-weiss/543
Article on JC Tretter, focusing on his role as players' union president, from a couple of days ago. (https://wapo.st/3m4LPKK)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711There's hasn't been a whisper out of the AD's office on the Cornell football program, either they aren't going to do anything yet again (probable), or they are waiting until after the 3 day signing period which starts this Wednesday (hopeful).
If there actually are any Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums (mental picture: Sterling Hayden in Strangelove) then they have to be doing everything short of banging Noel's nuts in the desk drawer to make him fire Archer.
What about the guy who paid to have all those games on TV in the 90s? Is he still alive?
I think it was: https://cornellbigred.com/honors/hall-of-fame/roger-weiss/543
That's correct. I remember seeing Roger Weiss standing on the Cornell sidelines during the 1987 season when the Big Red tied for the Ivy Championship that year and finished the season 8-2.
Agree w/George above - until those who fund Cornell football put their checkbooks away, change won't happen. Unfortunately results don't matter. Strongly believe spending on the program (coaching, facilities, player support) would earn a good return in alumni interest, fundraising, etc. Since it costs a lot to win, even more to lose...
Quote from: CASAgree w/George above - until those who fund Cornell football put their checkbooks away, change won't happen. Unfortunately results don't matter. Strongly believe spending on the program (coaching, facilities, player support) would earn a good return in alumni interest, fundraising, etc. Since it costs a lot to win, even more to lose...
Results as in wins, obviously don't matter when it comes to football.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711There's hasn't been a whisper out of the AD's office on the Cornell football program, either they aren't going to do anything yet again (probable), or they are waiting until after the 3 day signing period which starts this Wednesday (hopeful).
If there actually are any Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums (mental picture: Sterling Hayden in Strangelove) then they have to be doing everything short of banging Noel's nuts in the desk drawer to make him fire Archer.
I think there's video of these "Old Rich Football Obsessed Alums" visiting with Andy recently in his office regarding the state of the football program. (https://media3.giphy.com/media/4qx6IRdg26uZ3MTtRn/giphy.gif)
Tom is absolutely a Cornell alum. AgEc.
waiting for someone to ask if cornell has reached out to urban meyer
Quote from: ugartewaiting for someone to ask if cornell has reached out to urban meyer
Can't compare with Cornell's Urban: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Urban
Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan't compare with Cornell's Urban: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Urban
Thanks, quite a story.
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Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugartewaiting for someone to ask if cornell has reached out to urban meyer
Can't compare with Cornell's Urban: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Urban
What an incredible and heroic war record.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugartewaiting for someone to ask if cornell has reached out to urban meyer
Can't compare with Cornell's Urban: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Urban
Extraordinary. It will never happen, but his story should be required reading for all incoming freshmen.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugartewaiting for someone to ask if cornell has reached out to urban meyer
Can't compare with Cornell's Urban: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Urban
Wow, what a soldier and what a life. Ashamed I had never heard of him.
Beating a dead horse, I suppose.
247Sports publishes a Football College Team Talent Composite (https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/) based on the number and rated talent of each team's players. For example, Alabama is first with 85 rated players and a score of 1001.89 snd Georgia is second with 85 and 1001.79. For comparison, Stanford is 25th with 85 and 745.30, Syracuse is 70th with 71 and 568.67, Old Dominion (where Rick Rahne is HC) is 105th with 71 and 452.89 . . . Yale is 213th with 2 and 24.05, Princeton is 222nd with 1 at 16.08 and Brown is 234th with 1 at 9.44.
That's it for the Ivy League. Last on the list is Houston Baptist at 234 with 1 player with a rating of 5.41.
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Not sure what Cornell can do to compete in the League. Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting. I still think Archer should look at the transfer portal-surely there is some good talent disenchanted with big time football that may be looking for a change. Whatever Cornell has been doing the last 30 years has not worked through a multitude of coaches. John Fox, the longtime Sports Editor of the Binghamton Evening Press, once called Cornell:"The Graveyard of Football Coaches." It still holds true.
Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.
That's the truly sad part.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.
That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.
That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?
there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.
maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.
its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.
maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.
Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: nshapiroQuote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.
That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?
there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.
maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.
its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.
maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.
I agree that every organization should regularly be doing self-assessments. and I accept your statement that the quality of the department goes beyond on-field performance. I am just curious how your four lines contain three statements that suggest what to do to examine how athletics is doing, and one statement that unequivocally states it is dysfunctional? I would not be surprised if you are correct, but I don't feel qualified to make that comment. I expect that you are way more connected than I am...an alumnus who has not been to campus since covid.
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: upprdeckQuote from: nshapiroQuote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckQuote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.
That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?
there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.
maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.
its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.
maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.
I agree that every organization should regularly be doing self-assessments. and I accept your statement that the quality of the department goes beyond on-field performance. I am just curious how your four lines contain three statements that suggest what to do to examine how athletics is doing, and one statement that unequivocally states it is dysfunctional? I would not be surprised if you are correct, but I don't feel qualified to make that comment. I expect that you are way more connected than I am...an alumnus who has not been to campus since covid.
One thing seems clear is that other than women's hockey (and we'll give them a mulligan this rebuilding year) virtually all our women's teams are mediocre or worse. Even women's lacrosse, which has historically been one of the top 3 Ivy programs with Penn and Princeton, seems to have fallen back a bit.
Three thoughts on how to resolve some of the differences of opinion.
1. The consensus here seems to be that Columbia did the right thing by bringing in outside experts to evaluate the football operation. The question then becomes did Columbia do the right thing? By what criteria? And if so, why doesn't Cornell do the same?
2. I don't even know if Athletics is also in charge of intramurals. But I can really see evaluating athletics at a university by the number of students who participate in organized athletics. Also, by how many unrecruited, ordinary students can enroll and play intercollegiate athletics, perhaps on club teams.
3. The benefits of Cornell's membership in the Ivy League go far beyond athletics. But athletics are the core of the League itself. If so, then the practice of giving nothing more than lip service to fielding teams far below par for the League in its core sports is a hypocritical disgrace.
Quote from: SwampyThree thoughts on how to resolve some of the differences of opinion.
1. The consensus here seems to be that Columbia did the right thing by bringing in outside experts to evaluate the football operation. The question then becomes did Columbia do the right thing? By what criteria? And if so, why doesn't Cornell do the same?
2. I don't even know if Athletics is also in charge of intramurals. But I can really see evaluating athletics at a university by the number of students who participate in organized athletics. Also, by how many unrecruited, ordinary students can enroll and play intercollegiate athletics, perhaps on club teams.
3. The benefits of Cornell's membership in the Ivy League go far beyond athletics. But athletics are the core of the League itself. If so, then the practice of giving nothing more than lip service to fielding teams far below par for the League in its core sports is a hypocritical disgrace.
Good points Swampy.
It could be a simple as money.. maybe its more than just bringing a coach/coaches. maybe its the other things that make a team better like facilities/training staff/environment/ staffing in non coaching positions..
Just like big time football.. Ala/clem/Ga. Yhey not only pay for the coaches we see they pay for grad assistants and scouting and food prep and recovery and dozens of other positions
Did Columbia do more than bring in a new coach?
Quote from: upprdeckIt could be a simple as money.. maybe its more than just bringing a coach/coaches. maybe its the other things that make a team better like facilities/training staff/environment/ staffing in non coaching positions..
Just like big time football.. Ala/clem/Ga. Yhey not only pay for the coaches we see they pay for grad assistants and scouting and food prep and recovery and dozens of other positions
Did Columbia do more than bring in a new coach?
Yes they did. Al Bagnoli who was ultimately hired was provided with an increased recruiting budget, and most importantly, an indoor practice bubble like he had at the University of Penn. They also apparently provided some streamlining of the admissions process regarding student athletes. Cornell apparently has the started the design process ($5 million in the 2021-2022 budget) for the New Indoor Campus Recreation and Sports Center (total cost $25 million.
Just look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.
I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department
Quote from: Cop at LynahJust look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.
I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department
My evidence is CU's incompetence at hosting events. In the past, the lax NCAA tournament hosting performance was generously reviewed as "herpty derp" (paraphrased).
We play hockey every damn year at "The Most Famous Arena in Sports" and our opponents take care of the hosting and logistics every single time. I'm so sick of hearing the Boston Accented Disembodied voice over the PA and Mike Eruzione taking bows with Rhett dancing on our incompetent faces.
This Athletic Department can't seem to do anything except install video scoreboards, pay for a new logo nobody asked for, and knock down condemned grandstands.
Quote from: RichHMike Eruzione
This guy. He's gotten more out of one night than anyone since Peggy Hopkins Joyce.
Quote from: RichHWe play hockey every damn year at "The Most Famous Arena in Sports" and our opponents take care of the hosting and logistics every single time. I'm so sick of hearing the Boston Accented Disembodied voice over the PA and Mike Eruzione taking bows with Rhett dancing on our incompetent faces.
This Athletic Department can't seem to do anything except install video scoreboards, pay for a new logo nobody asked for, and knock down condemned grandstands.
I thought that BU was in charge of game logistics for Red Hot Hockey but Cornell runs the Frozen Apple games?
look at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?
I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.
Quote from: upprdecklook at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?
I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.
Surprised they didn't propose "Punt" or "Turnover."
Lol Swampy. It's criminal that Cornell allows football to continue its uncompetitive ways, without trying to address its problems. Btw women's squash is another (rare) strong women's program.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: upprdecklook at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?
I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.
Surprised they didn't propose "Punt" or "Turnover."
How about "false start?"
Don't forget polo.
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.
Quote from: SwampyI wonder if fans can shame them into doing something.
A literal
zero attendance would draw some attention.
Quote from: SwampyI wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.
I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyI wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.
I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.
Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can't imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell's record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration's apparent indifference.
If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyI wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.
I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.
Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can't imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell's record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration's apparent indifference.
If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.
Perhaps a plane flying over Schoellkopf pulling a banner reading "30 years of losing football is enough", like the NY Giants situation from years back. I agree that nothing seems likely to improve until a new AD is appointed. When was the last capital improvement drive for athletics at Cornell?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyI wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.
I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.
Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can't imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell's record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration's apparent indifference.
If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.
What early retirement? He is class of '72 from F&M so he must be 70+. Please don't tell me that his is a tenured position that he can keep forever!
Cornell put out a release on 11/30/16 which said Andy's contract has been extended through June 2022.
Perhaps if Roger Weiss '61, who endowed the HC position, demands a better ROI?
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years.
I still feel sorry for Jack Fouts (whose name I had to look up), the offensive coordinator who got promoted to replace Baughan and then was fired after one 4-6 (2-5 Ivy) season. Wikipedia tells me he had a pretty good run at his alma mater Ohio Wesleyan before that.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Quote from: CU2007Quote from: George64Quote from: rss77Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.
Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn't keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer's teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!
Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years.
I still feel sorry for Jack Fouts (whose name I had to look up), the offensive coordinator who got promoted to replace Baughan and then was fired after one 4-6 (2-5 Ivy) season. Wikipedia tells me he had a pretty good run at his alma mater Ohio Wesleyan before that.
It's even sadder think that a one 4-6 record resulted in his firing, when Archer has only "achieved" a 4-6 record twice in 8 years, which were his highest finishes in those 8 long years!
Quote from: Ken711It's even sadder think that a one 4-6 record resulted in his firing, when Archer has only "achieved" a 4-6 record twice in 8 years, which were his highest finishes in those 8 long years!
Not were. Are. There's still time for the denominator to get bigger.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyI wonder if fans can shame them into doing something.
A literal zero attendance would draw some attention.
Wasn't that done this fall? I mean, I don't know if it was intentional or just, well, enough-is-enough.
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.
Quote"The Penn alumni magazine contains an interview with Penn's new AD.
"Q: The football team just wrapped up a tough season. Perhaps it might be unfair to judge too harshly given the pandemic challenges, but what kind of pressure does that put on head coach Ray Priore?
A: This was a tough season for all of us. We appreciate that there was nuance with some of our peers having the benefit of more students taking gap years, which allowed them to have more veteran teams compared to ours. But I think we'll all be the first to admit we have work to do. And I think that is why its important for Ray and me to spend some time together brainstorming. I personally feel that we need to make some changes. We need to at least plot a course that gives us confidence that we're headed in the right direction.\\"The Penn alumni magazine contains an interview with Penn's new AD.
"Q: The football team just wrapped up a tough season. Perhaps it might be unfair to judge too harshly given the pandemic challenges, but what kind of pressure does that put on head coach Ray Priore?
A: This was a tough season for all of us. We appreciate that there was nuance with some of our peers having the benefit of more students taking gap years, which allowed them to have more veteran teams compared to ours. But I think we'll all be the first to admit we have work to do. And I think that is why its important for Ray and me to spend some time together brainstorming. I personally feel that we need to make some changes. We need to at least plot a course that gives us confidence that we're headed in the right direction.
Quote from: Ken711So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.
What's a "new AD?"
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.
What's a "new AD?"
Athletic Director.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.
What's a "new AD?"
Athletic Director.
Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: Ken711Quote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.
What's a "new AD?"
Athletic Director.
Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'
True, let's hope Andy retires off into the sunset when he contract expires in June 2022.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: Ken711Quote from: RichHQuote from: Ken711So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.
What's a "new AD?"
Athletic Director.
Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'
True, let's hope Andy retires off into the sunset when he contract expires in June 2022.
I wonder, does anyone in the AD's office tap into eLynah? I'm surprised that there's been no apparent groundswell to oust Archer. I've never given anything to football, but have made not insignificant contributions to women's hockey and men's crew. Next time AD Andy asks, I'll wait for him to answer about football before giving anything to the Athletic Department.
When I lived in Cleveland, I made annual trips to Ithaca to reconnect with friends and catch a football game. Now I live in Rochester, and don't even think about driving 90 miles for football. You'd think that in the midst of a major fund-raising campaign someone would pay attention to disgruntled alumni, even those who are not awash in money.
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Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Why change what works?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Why change what works?
It seems increasingly necessary to have a sarcasm font on Facebook so as to not be misunderstood. Although the same post with no S-font, "You may be right," can be read two ways. Here, among this collegium of friends, most find a wink-wink-get-it treatment unnecessary. Only a few posts further back, I pondered for a minute and realized "What's a new AD" was made clear from context and introspection.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Why change what works?
It seems increasingly necessary to have a sarcasm font on Facebook so as to not be misunderstood. Although the same post with no S-font, "You may be right," can be read two ways. Here, among this collegium of friends, most find a wink-wink-get-it treatment unnecessary. Only a few posts further back, I pondered for a minute and realized "What's a new AD" was made clear from context and introspection.
I think that post was clear since the quotes were around the phrase "new AD", not just around AD
Quote from: Cop at LynahJust look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.
I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department
No one has any idea whats going on that golf course.. the big project has again come to a halt. They cut about 10% of the trees and not much else.. no bunker work to be seen.
My understanding is that drainage work and tree removal in 2022 and bunker replacement 2023. Hoping for the best because the course really is a gem that just needs to be rehabbed back to its former self
hopefully.. I was told tree work would be done by winter and bunker work started in the fall but that never happened.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.
Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.
Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?
IINM Ben is 9-0-2. That's better than Harkness.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.
Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?
IINM Ben is 9-0-2. That's better than Harkness.
Both seem to be very strong in the recruiting game. At this point, I'd rather have Syer just to not have a big discontinuity.
Oops, football thread. Andy Noel is garbage, and I've known that since he was given the job for lyfe.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.
That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.
That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.
Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
Quote from: TrotskyIINM Ben is 9-0-2.
9-1-2
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.
Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?
#1: Casey comes from Cornell Hockey, so he's not exactly an outsider.
#2: My point is that hiring a coach from a successful in-house program is not the same as hiring from a perpetual in-house doormat. But a proven coach from an outside powerhouse might be good for a doormat program or a marquee program.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CU2007Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.
That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.
Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Quote from: CU2007Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.
That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.
Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.
You make a good point. I have to agree.
Quote from: Ken711Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
Be great to hire alumni coaches and/or promote from within. It helps to hire someone who was in the Cornell program as a player or assistant, got experience in at least one additional program, before become a Cornell HC. In hindsight -- really long hindsight, like 40 years -- hiring a graduating senior (albeit 29 years old) to replace Ned Harkness rolled the dice. So it was hard for Dick Bertrand to succeed; he lasted a decade before departing. Shafer had ~4 years at Cornell as assistant, then 5 more at Western Michigan before returning home.
Meanwhile, get while, Mike.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioMy point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.
As a 1972 college graduate, Andy Noel is 72 years old, give or take a year. If this is his last or next to last year, maybe it's better to let the successor replace anyone who's having mixed success in a major sport. The new guy -- quite possibly woman -- may have to find a successor for Mike Schafer, too. Which could well be Doug Darraugh '91, the way Gary Gait moved laterally to be Syracuse men's coach.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
Be great to hire alumni coaches and/or promote from within. It helps to hire someone who was in the Cornell program as a player or assistant, got experience in at least one additional program, before become a Cornell HC. In hindsight -- really long hindsight, like 40 years -- hiring a graduating senior (albeit 29 years old) to replace Ned Harkness rolled the dice. So it was hard for Dick Bertrand to succeed; he lasted a decade before departing. Shafer had ~4 years at Cornell as assistant, then 5 more at Western Michigan before returning home.
Meanwhile, get while, Mike.
It's better to hire a coach that has at least experienced a winning record during his coaching career somewhere, then to just to offer up an alumnus. Archer as an assistant, never coached on a team that finished with a winning record before being promoted to HC.
The Class of '72 has invited the decade of the 70's to
Quote from: Please join us on Monday January 31, 2022 at 7:30 PM EST for Cornell Athletics in the Covid Era with Andy Noel, Director of Athletics & Physical Education, The Meakem-Smith Director of Athletics and Physical Education
https://cornelluniversity.imodules.com/s/1717/cc/class.aspx?sid=1717&gid=7&pgid=614
Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?
Quote from: TrotskyStrictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?
At an Ivy I think it's a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he'd get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyStrictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?
At an Ivy I think it's a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he'd get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.
And most would settle for "competitive" or "not embarassing" as opposed to a powerhouse. Baby steps and all that.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyStrictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?
At an Ivy I think it's a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he'd get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.
And most would settle for "competitive" or "not embarassing" as opposed to a powerhouse. Baby steps and all that.
Cornell football and the term "powerhouse"? Just finishing one season with a .500 or better record would be nice, but is pretty doubtful with this staff.
Quote from: David HardingThe Class of '72 has invited the decade of the 70's toQuote from: Please join us on Monday January 31, 2022 at 7:30 PM EST for Cornell Athletics in the Covid Era with Andy Noel, Director of Athletics & Physical Education, The Meakem-Smith Director of Athletics and Physical Education
https://cornelluniversity.imodules.com/s/1717/cc/class.aspx?sid=1717&gid=7&pgid=614
Is going to even mention the state of the Cornell football program? How about the progress on the indoor practice facility? His retirement (hopeful)?
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)
https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/
Quote from: WederThe sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)
https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/
The long range plan is to build new locker spaces, and perhaps a weight room under what will be new West Stands.
Quote from: WederThe sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)
https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/
Quote from: Ithaca VoiceNew electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be "long-term temporary" at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.
"Long-term temporary," as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: WederThe sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)
https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/
Quote from: Ithaca VoiceNew electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be "long-term temporary" at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.
"Long-term temporary," as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?
Built in 1953. WWII must have lasted longer than I thought.
well. look at society now.. seems like the civil war is still going strong around many parts.
Quote from: upprdeckwell. look at society now.. seems like the civil war is still going strong around many parts.
Better build more dorms.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: WederThe sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)
https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/
Quote from: Ithaca VoiceNew electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be "long-term temporary" at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.
"Long-term temporary," as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?
Built in 1953. WWII must have lasted longer than I thought.
Eight years. One year for transport home, and enough time to forget about Trotsky's French whore and the clap she gave you. Then time to marry the girl next door, have Billy in year 3 and Suzy in year 5. Work at your factory job for 3 years and realize you've got to find another way. So, by 1953 you sell the postwar Ford and head up to the fingers of lakes to go back to school.
There were also women and Blacks in military service during WWII, but I never heard of either getting much of the GI Bill gravy. I do know for a fact there was tremendous structural racism for things like VA loans.
Of course, the Korean War brought another wave of vets back to college on the GI Bill, right around the time University Halls were going up.
One last point is that after Harry T. dropped the big ones on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it took a while before scientists on the Manhattan Project could find new jobs. Then it took several years for them to figure out how to design a building where a pin dropped on the fourth floor would make a racket in the basement. Once they figured this out, only then could construction on the University Halls begin.
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
Quote from: Cop at LynahHoly Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Cop at LynahHoly Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Cop at LynahHoly Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
Shortage of tradespeople.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Cop at LynahHoly Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
Shortage of tradespeople.
Yep.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Cop at LynahHoly Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
Don't bring CPAC into this.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Ken711Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Cop at LynahHoly Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
Shortage of tradespeople.
Yep.
Because the American Dream now means go to college, accrue tremendous debt, and get a job that didn't require a college education, and doesn't pay enough to let you repay your student loan and live.
From the Athletic:
Penn State picked up a commitment from Cornell graduate transfer offensive lineman Hunter Nourzad on Monday. The Marietta, Ga., native picked Penn State over a group of finalists that included Virginia Tech, Iowa, Auburn and Illinois.
The 6-foot-4, 298-pound Nourzad is expected to enroll at Penn State after graduating from Cornell in May and will have two years of eligibility remaining. At Cornell, Nourzad started 20 consecutive games at right tackle — 10 in 2019 and the other 10 this past season, when he was a first-team All-Ivy League selection. Like all Ivy League players, he did not have a football season in the fall of 2020 because of the pandemic.
Penn State will have competition along the interior, and Nourzad should help with that. Experienced, accomplished linemen are hard to come by, so this will be a boost.
For what it's worth, the folks behind college football site Every Day Should Be Saturday and the Shutdown Fullback podcast are in the middle of their annual charity drive to raise money for New American Pathways, a refugee-resettlement organization. They sort the contributions by school and play up rivalries and people tend to tie their donation amounts to certain significant scores or whatnot. For example, Here is my entry:
https://twitter.com/Ugarles/status/1518988944502890496
I encourage my fellow Red to donate (https://app.mobilecause.com/e/b5UUuA?vid=rmuko) and move Cornell up the leaderboard somewhat.
Ed Marinaro - at the NFL draft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XbVxsxcnY
Here's an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —
David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program's history. . . Last year's team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won't be tolerated for long.
Except at Cornell!
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Quote from: George64Here's an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —
David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program's history. . . Last year's team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won't be tolerated for long.
Except at Cornell!
.
Or Andy Noel retires, which thankfully happens this summer. This is it for Archer this Fall, with his protector gone, it's finally produce a winning record with the football program or see ya.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: George64Here's an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —
David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program's history. . . Last year's team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won't be tolerated for long.
Except at Cornell!
.
Or Andy Noel retires, which thankfully happens this summer. This is it for Archer this Fall, with his protector gone, it's finally produce a winning record with the football program or see ya.
He's had enough time. He's already proved enough for me.