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Quote from: billhowardJim Boeheim's son did matriculate in Ithaca. And left early but not for the pros. Now he's back at Syracuse with dad and brother Buddy.

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Quote from: billhowardJim Boeheim's son did matriculate in Ithaca. And left early but not for the pros. Now he's back at Syracuse with dad and brother Buddy.

did he leave early? i thought he graduated. he could have done the grad year at cornell but chose to go home after missing a year of basketball.

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Quote from: billhowardJim Boeheim's son did matriculate in Ithaca. And left early but not for the pros. Now he's back at Syracuse with dad and brother Buddy.

did he leave early? i thought he graduated. he could have done the grad year at cornell but chose to go home after missing a year of basketball.

He graduated and is playing his grad year for his father.

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Quote from: billhowardJim Boeheim's son did matriculate in Ithaca. And left early but not for the pros. Now he's back at Syracuse with dad and brother Buddy.

did he leave early? i thought he graduated. he could have done the grad year at cornell but chose to go home after missing a year of basketball.

He graduated and is playing his grad year for his father.

Really difficult to question his doing that.

Quote from: TrotskySo, is it a complete unknown, or will we be bad for a while recovering from the down time?

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Quote from: TrotskySo, is it a complete unknown, or will we be bad for a while recovering from the down time?

Probably 2022 a down year but I think we have great coaches and we don't be down forever.

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Quote from: TrotskySo, is it a complete unknown, or will we be bad for a while recovering from the down time?

Probably 2022 a down year but I think we have great coaches and we don't be down forever.

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Quote from: TrotskySo, is it a complete unknown, or will we be bad for a while recovering from the down time?

Probably 2022 a down year but I think we have great coaches and we don't be down forever.

Even without Teat still a lot of talent on the roster. Ivies will be strong as usual.

Quote from: rss77Interesting news coming from the NCAA Convention-Passed a resolution allowing a number of D3 schools playing D1 sports to offer athletic scholarships. RIT in men's and women's ice hockey, Union in men's and women's ice hockey, MIT (!) in rowing and Hobart in men's lacrosse. Restrictions have been put in because athletes on athletic aid at Hobart can only play lacrosse and cannot play at any other sport. Hobart's lacrosse program especially back in its D3 days thrived on dual sports athletes playing both football and lacrosse.

Quote from: SwampyThat's crazy. If a student-athlete wants to play multiple sports, they should be free to do so. Maybe exclude them from the athletic scholarship pool and make the compete for need-based and academic-merit-based financial aid.

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Quote from: rss77Interesting news coming from the NCAA Convention-Passed a resolution allowing a number of D3 schools playing D1 sports to offer athletic scholarships. RIT in men's and women's ice hockey, Union in men's and women's ice hockey, MIT (!) in rowing and Hobart in men's lacrosse. Restrictions have been put in because athletes on athletic aid at Hobart can only play lacrosse and cannot play at any other sport. Hobart's lacrosse program especially back in its D3 days thrived on dual sports athletes playing both football and lacrosse.

That's crazy. If a student-athlete wants to play multiple sports, they should be free to do so. Maybe exclude them from the athletic scholarship pool and make the compete for need-based and academic-merit-based financial aid.

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Quote from: rss77Interesting news coming from the NCAA Convention-Passed a resolution allowing a number of D3 schools playing D1 sports to offer athletic scholarships. RIT in men's and women's ice hockey, Union in men's and women's ice hockey, MIT (!) in rowing and Hobart in men's lacrosse. Restrictions have been put in because athletes on athletic aid at Hobart can only play lacrosse and cannot play at any other sport. Hobart's lacrosse program especially back in its D3 days thrived on dual sports athletes playing both football and lacrosse.

That's crazy. If a student-athlete wants to play multiple sports, they should be free to do so. Maybe exclude them from the athletic scholarship pool and make the compete for need-based and academic-merit-based financial aid.

Quote from: arugulaHopkins lacrosse too?

Quote from: Al DeFlorioInteresting book coming, especially for us old guys who watched it happen:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/6/4/50-years-ago-cornell-mens-lacrosse-changed-the-game.aspx

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioInteresting book coming, especially for us old guys who watched it happen:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/6/4/50-years-ago-cornell-mens-lacrosse-changed-the-game.aspx

The closer game, arguably the de faco title game, was not the Cornell-Maryland final but the semifinal the week before at Army (now: Army West Point). Richard Nixon was on campus in the morning, unrelated to the game, but it was the same press pass that got sportswriters into the mainstream press room. Thanks for the lunch.

The conspiracy theorists had it that Cornell was paired against Army to avoid there not be zero southern schools in the finals. (Maryland-Navy was the other semifinal.) Or it could just be it was cheaper on NCAA travel budgets.  

Back and forth, Cornell eked out a 17-16 semifinal win. Two of the game's best attackmen, Cornell's Al Rimmer vs. Army's Tom Cafaro. Seems like only yesterday. Cornell played with its backup goalie, Bob Buhmann (RIP), who if I recall was named honoraable mention All-America and injured Bob Rule was first team. Yes, it's long ago and I also realize how little I'd care about some old fart Cornellian telling me about the glories of 1921 Cornell football.

The year before, Cornell went unbeaten and in the final poll, finished fourth behind teams with at least one loss. Southern teams.

Quote from: dbilmesCornell picked to finish third in preseason Ivy poll. (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/2/2/mens-lacrosse-mens-lacrosse-tabbed-third-in-ivy-league-preseason-poll.aspx) Yale received 13 of 14 first-place votes (we received the other). Penn also picked ahead of us.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioInteresting book coming, especially for us old guys who watched it happen:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/6/4/50-years-ago-cornell-mens-lacrosse-changed-the-game.aspx

The closer game, arguably the de faco title game, was not the Cornell-Maryland final but the semifinal the week before at Army (now: Army West Point). Richard Nixon was on campus in the morning, unrelated to the game, but it was the same press pass that got sportswriters into the mainstream press room. Thanks for the lunch.

The conspiracy theorists had it that Cornell was paired against Army to avoid there not be zero southern schools in the finals. (Maryland-Navy was the other semifinal.) Or it could just be it was cheaper on NCAA travel budgets.  

Back and forth, Cornell eked out a 17-16 semifinal win. Two of the game's best attackmen, Cornell's Al Rimmer vs. Army's Tom Cafaro. Seems like only yesterday. Cornell played with its backup goalie, Bob Buhmann (RIP), who if I recall was named honoraable mention All-America and injured Bob Rule was first team. Yes, it's long ago and I also realize how little I'd care about some old fart Cornellian telling me about the glories of 1921 Cornell football.

The year before, Cornell went unbeaten and in the final poll, finished fourth behind teams with at least one loss. Southern teams.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioInteresting book coming, especially for us old guys who watched it happen:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/6/4/50-years-ago-cornell-mens-lacrosse-changed-the-game.aspx

The closer game, arguably the de faco title game, was not the Cornell-Maryland final but the semifinal the week before at Army (now: Army West Point). Richard Nixon was on campus in the morning, unrelated to the game, but it was the same press pass that got sportswriters into the mainstream press room. Thanks for the lunch.

The conspiracy theorists had it that Cornell was paired against Army to avoid there not be zero southern schools in the finals. (Maryland-Navy was the other semifinal.) Or it could just be it was cheaper on NCAA travel budgets.  

Back and forth, Cornell eked out a 17-16 semifinal win. Two of the game's best attackmen, Cornell's Al Rimmer vs. Army's Tom Cafaro. Seems like only yesterday. Cornell played with its backup goalie, Bob Buhmann (RIP), who if I recall was named honoraable mention All-America and injured Bob Rule was first team. Yes, it's long ago and I also realize how little I'd care about some old fart Cornellian telling me about the glories of 1921 Cornell football.

The year before, Cornell went unbeaten and in the final poll, finished fourth behind teams with at least one loss. Southern teams.

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Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: Al DeFlorioInteresting book coming, especially for us old guys who watched it happen:

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/6/4/50-years-ago-cornell-mens-lacrosse-changed-the-game.aspx

The closer game, arguably the de faco title game, was not the Cornell-Maryland final but the semifinal the week before at Army (now: Army West Point). Richard Nixon was on campus in the morning, unrelated to the game, but it was the same press pass that got sportswriters into the mainstream press room. Thanks for the lunch.

The conspiracy theorists had it that Cornell was paired against Army to avoid there not be zero southern schools in the finals. (Maryland-Navy was the other semifinal.) Or it could just be it was cheaper on NCAA travel budgets.  

Back and forth, Cornell eked out a 17-16 semifinal win. Two of the game's best attackmen, Cornell's Al Rimmer vs. Army's Tom Cafaro. Seems like only yesterday. Cornell played with its backup goalie, Bob Buhmann (RIP), who if I recall was named honoraable mention All-America and injured Bob Rule was first team. Yes, it's long ago and I also realize how little I'd care about some old fart Cornellian telling me about the glories of 1921 Cornell football.

The year before, Cornell went unbeaten and in the final poll, finished fourth behind teams with at least one loss. Southern teams.

Great memories! Keep them coming!

Quote from: Al DeFlorioI could be wrong, but I recall the tournament brackets were done that way to ensure a northern team would be in the finals, and it wouldn't be an all-south final.  After all, lacrosse was a Maryland-centric game.  Talk at the time was that the "south" semifinal was really going to be the effective championship game.  Surprise!

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioI could be wrong, but I recall the tournament brackets were done that way to ensure a northern team would be in the finals, and it wouldn't be an all-south final.  After all, lacrosse was a Maryland-centric game.  Talk at the time was that the "south" semifinal was really going to be the effective championship game.  Surprise!

Al! You're too kind to the lacrosse monarchists of the era. I think they knew that even though Cornell in 1970 was ranked fourth -- by the lax insiders and their ilk -- behind three once-beaten Secession-state teams, they might have suspected there was a chance the top teams would come out of the North a year later. So it's least as probable that the seeding into North and South, plus Air Force tossed in as cannon fodder, would ensure a traditional lax school - read, South - would be at Hofstra on the championship weekend.

Cornell, the best team, also played the two closest games: winning 10-8 over Brown then 17-16 over Army. To me, the top 2 teams were Cornell and Army, and Brown had it been sent down South, would have been in the final four also. Trying to remember if Dom Starsia, ex Virginia coach, played D for Brown that 1971 seasons or he was still a freshman.

Quote from: billhowardTrying to remember if Dom Starsia, ex Virginia coach, played D for Brown that 1971 seasons or he was still a freshman.

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Quote from: billhowardTrying to remember if Dom Starsia, ex Virginia coach, played D for Brown that 1971 seasons or he was still a freshman.

He was still a freshman and therefore ineligible for the varsity. Had he played, maybe we don't get ten goals.

Quote from: TimVGreat point.

Quote from: mike1960Sadly, it looks like the FOGO position will be a problem again this year.

Quote from: billhowardMan, it was cold at the game, just about 20F. Two hours before gametime, a snow squall dropped visibility to about 100 feet.

Fabulous debut by #15 sophomore CJ Kirst out of NJ prep power Delbarton, same school as Jack Malone

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Quote from: mike1960Sadly, it looks like the FOGO position will be a problem again this year.

Petraikis won 61% (46-29) his faceoffs in the partial 2020 season against strong competition, better than then #1 face Rasimowicz.  He was 10-13 today, with at least three of those losses on violations.  Mark Psyllos, his freshman backup and an outstanding faceoff guy in HS, was 2-2. Time will tell more, but I disagree.  The new faceoff rules will not make it easy to win a lot of faceoffs to yourself.  The wing play will be more important than before.

Quote from: upprdeckunder 50% isnt the issue.. its when its way under 40% you have problem..  if you go 4-6 you can survive.

Quote from: mike1960Zero off ball movement on one possession. People just standing around like they're waiting for a bus.

Quote from: mike1960CJ does a nice job with his feet to get open in front of the cage.  He's been playing great. Why is Mikey Long not playing?

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Quote from: mike1960CJ does a nice job with his feet to get open in front of the cage.  He's been playing great. Why is Mikey Long not playing?

Long has an unspecified injury. Speculating that it could be related to the vicious slash he took last week

Quote from: Al DeFlorioNeed better than 30% on faceoffs.

Quote from: scoop855-3 Cornell at the half. Both goalies with some nice saves, and our D has been excellent. As Al says, faceoffs are a problem.

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Quote from: scoop855-3 Cornell at the half. Both goalies with some nice saves, and our D has been excellent. As Al says, faceoffs are a problem.

Chayse had some nice saves, but he's also getting beat on the outside shot. His vision might have been blocked, but that's how Lehigh is hanging in.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioNeed better than 30% on faceoffs.

Quote from: Cornell95can we get some help for this camera operator?

Quote from: dbilmesAt least we only lost one faceoff in the third quarter.

Quote from: scoop85The good news is we shut them out in the 3rQ. Bad news is we didn't score either.

Piatelli is getting frustrated, as evidenced by a couple of long range shots early in the clock shot.

PSU, which has struggled this year, beat Yale 10-6. That's sports for you.

Quote from: mike1960Nice win. See you blokes next week.

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Quote from: mike1960Nice win. See you blokes next week.

Don't forget we have Hobart at home Tuesday

Quote from: Cornell95can we get some help for this camera operator?

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Quote from: Cornell95can we get some help for this camera operator?

Colgate hockey camera work was pretty bad as well. Ditto Princeton hockey Saturday night.

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Quote from: Cornell95can we get some help for this camera operator?

Colgate hockey camera work was pretty bad as well. Ditto Princeton hockey Saturday night.

All true.  But I'd  be happy to see games if they only came from a GoCam mounted on the hat of a drunken fan.

Quote from: upprdecki really think these schools need to spend just a small amount of money and get some remote controlled cameras.  It would allow much better site lines since they could be elevated in these small arenas.  they should each mount a static camera on the 2 blue lines that would help with the random off sides call.  Cornell has the 2-3 blind spots with very bad views you dont even need to have movable cameras if you wont want and that would be very cheap to add..  

the blue line cameras brought to you by Labatts Blue ice..

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Quote from: upprdecki really think these schools need to spend just a small amount of money and get some remote controlled cameras.  It would allow much better site lines since they could be elevated in these small arenas.  they should each mount a static camera on the 2 blue lines that would help with the random off sides call.  Cornell has the 2-3 blind spots with very bad views you dont even need to have movable cameras if you wont want and that would be very cheap to add..  

the blue line cameras brought to you by Labatts Blue ice..

I made that argument that we could raise the cams another 2-5 feet from their present location, although going all the way to the base of the rafters might call for a remote camera operator. I don't know why we don't have a video feed from above the two goals. I would like to have cams above the netting.

Overall, what we have now for sports is pretty good vs. 5+ years ago.

Oh, yeah, where's the in-goal cams?

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Quote from: upprdecki really think these schools need to spend just a small amount of money and get some remote controlled cameras.  It would allow much better site lines since they could be elevated in these small arenas.  they should each mount a static camera on the 2 blue lines that would help with the random off sides call.  Cornell has the 2-3 blind spots with very bad views you dont even need to have movable cameras if you wont want and that would be very cheap to add..  

the blue line cameras brought to you by Labatts Blue ice..

I made that argument that we could raise the cams another 2-5 feet from their present location, although going all the way to the base of the rafters might call for a remote camera operator. I don't know why we don't have a video feed from above the two goals. I would like to have cams above the netting.

Overall, what we have now for sports is pretty good vs. 5+ years ago.

Oh, yeah, where's the in-goal cams?

Even techie RPI TV has let the second set of over the goal cams pass into history.
 (I believe just the refs have those at Houston now.)  But there is no excuse for the poor line of sight issue at Lynah. We've been bitching about it since just after the days Age's Hockeycam was given the boot.

Quote from: TrotskyI can't remember whether it is ESPN+ or one of its 20 precursors, but somebody has a camera in the Zamboni corner for behind the net and it is freaking amazing.

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Quote from: TrotskyI can't remember whether it is ESPN+ or one of its 20 precursors, but somebody has a camera in the Zamboni corner for behind the net and it is freaking amazing.

I've often wondered why there isn't a permanent controllable camera mounted on the walkway platform above the scoreboard. If you've ever stood up there for warmups, the view is incredible.

But sure a single row of useless seats for donors that's never really occupied makes more sense.

Quote from: arugulaMy amateur analysis: when we had truly great middies and attack, the key was, I thought, passing in tight spaces.  This team seems unwilling or unable to attempt those passes. Rather, they work the perimeter and try to go 1 v 1.   While I love Jason on hockey, he sems a bit lost on Lacrosse.  Lots of stats and stories, not much useful description.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio13 turnovers, seven uncaused, are a big problem.

Quote from: arugulaMy amateur analysis: when we had truly great middies and attack, the key was, I thought, passing in tight spaces.  This team seems unwilling or unable to attempt those passes. Rather, they work the perimeter and try to go 1 v 1.   While I love Jason on hockey, he sems a bit lost on Lacrosse.  Lots of stats and stories, not much useful description.

Quote from: mike1960Chayse is not getting to those midrange shots.

• He wasn't stopping shots aimed low.
• Their short sticks were beating ours, and our long sticks were slow to slide and back up the short sticks. In some cases, our long-stick defenders just watched the Hobart shooter shoot.

Quote from: WederI couldn't really tell from the broadcast, but did Hobart just sort of give up in the last 90 seconds or so? It didn't seem like they were doubling very aggressively on D.

Quote from: upprdeckI didnt see from the broadcast.. who was the player who was helped off during the Hobart game?

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Quote from: upprdeckI didnt see from the broadcast.. who was the player who was helped off during the Hobart game?

John Lombardi. Someone posted on Fanlax that he has a torn ACL, but I haven't seen anything official.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioJekyll and Hyde half.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioJekyll and Hyde half.

Connor Buczek made some nice adjustments on a timeout when we were down 0-3. We've got a really good coach. Cornell is playing better now than they did under Milliman.

Quote from: mike1960Nice article that features Gavin Adler's outstanding play on Saturday:

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/adler-clamps-myers-as-cornell-tops-ohio-state-14-11/59068

Quote from: arugulaInteresting that Quint, who I think usually has us higher than the poll, has us at 8 this week after 7 last week.  So two good wins and he dropped us? Strange

Quote from: upprdeckand he ignored the OSU really in his write up for us

Quote from: Quint KessenichI like midfielder Hugh Kelleher and lefty attacker CJ Kirst. Kirst is a future pro, better than his older brother. Billy Coyle scored four times against the fish throwers. When the offense moves without the ball, they get looks. John Piatelli, while not flashy, runs the show as an extension of the coaching staff. The defense makes good decisions and is well positioned, they don't beat themselves. FOGO Angelo Petrakis was 61%.

CJ Kirst, Billy Coyle, and John Piatelli were once again the heroes in a Saturday win over Ohio State. FOGO Angelo Petrakis and goalie Chayse Ierlan are a specialist combo that few can match. This team has balance and the Hard Hat mentality.

Big Red tangles with Penn State this weekend for the Tambo Trophy

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Quote from: arugulaInteresting that Quint, who I think usually has us higher than the poll, has us at 8 this week after 7 last week.  So two good wins and he dropped us? Strange

Quint rarely has a kind word to say about Cornell lacrosse. He must have had a bad experience with the Big Red back in the day.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82My experience is that our guys don't have much nice to say about him, either.  I was sitting near a bunch of team alumni at the Final Four in Foxboro.  When we were beating UVa in the semifinals.  Those guys all started cheering "Suck it, Quint!"

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82My experience is that our guys don't have much nice to say about him, either.  I was sitting near a bunch of team alumni at the Final Four in Foxboro.  When we were beating UVa in the semifinals.  Those guys all started cheering "Suck it, Quint!"

That Saturday after the 2009 Virginia game (NCAA semifinals, Cornell in a blowout, 15-6, over the #1 seed) had a golden glow. A couple Virginia fans barbecuing in the parking lot saw our Cornell caps and said, "Hey, really nice game. Good luck Monday." Then there was Monday.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82My experience is that our guys don't have much nice to say about him, either.  I was sitting near a bunch of team alumni at the Final Four in Foxboro.  When we were beating UVa in the semifinals.  Those guys all started cheering "Suck it, Quint!"

That Saturday after the 2009 Virginia game (NCAA semifinals, Cornell in a blowout, 15-6, over the #1 seed) had a golden glow. A couple Virginia fans barbecuing in the parking lot saw our Cornell caps and said, "Hey, really nice game. Good luck Monday." Then there was Monday.

So, so close . . .

Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

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Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

This is the stuff of miracles and the people who enabled them. I wonder how Wilson's life has been since that highlight.

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Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

2003 ECAC Final
2007 Lax NCAA QF aka the Seibald trail check game vs Albany

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Quote from: RichH

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

2003 ECAC Final
2007 Lax NCAA QF aka the Seibald trail check game vs Albany

2010 NCAA basketball tournament victories over Temple and Wisconsin

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Quote from: dbilmes

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

2003 ECAC Final
2007 Lax NCAA QF aka the Seibald trail check game vs Albany

2010 NCAA basketball tournament victories over Temple and Wisconsin

Game one of the 90-91 ncaa hockey tournament at Michigan. We basically trained their fan base to what it has become.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

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Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

2003 ECAC Final
2007 Lax NCAA QF aka the Seibald trail check game vs Albany

2010 NCAA basketball tournament victories over Temple and Wisconsin

Game one of the 90-91 ncaa hockey tournament at Michigan. We basically trained their fan base to what it has become.

Cornell 8, BU 7 (3OT), 2012 NCAA tournament quarterfinal at Lynah.

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Quote from: Weder

Quote from: toddlose

Quote from: dbilmes

Quote from: RichH

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

2003 ECAC Final
2007 Lax NCAA QF aka the Seibald trail check game vs Albany

2010 NCAA basketball tournament victories over Temple and Wisconsin

Game one of the 90-91 ncaa hockey tournament at Michigan. We basically trained their fan base to what it has become.

Cornell 8, BU 7 (3OT), 2012 NCAA tournament quarterfinal at Lynah.

Cornell 4, Princeton 3, 2009 ECAC semifinal. Cornell trailed 3-1 with about 3 minutes left when Evan Barlow scored on a spectacular end-to-end rush. Then Riley Nash scored an EAG to send it to OT. Colin Greening then won it in the 2nd OT.

Quote from: upprdecki really think these schools need to spend just a small amount of money and get some remote controlled cameras.

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Quote from: mike1960So, so close . . .

I noticed at the end of a close game this year, as time ran out, our middie at midfield threw the ball up-up-up with :03 left and the ball had a hangtime of :05. So, close 2009 was.

That and not closing out Wisconsin (hockey), 5-2 lead start of the third, got tied, lost OT. I'm sure older alums recall 1969 title game and just coming up short to Denver. Most schools, somebody creates an alumni magazine story every decade on Gettysburg's Greatest Victories Ever. Ours might be the 10 Most Crushing Losses.

We can do wins, too.

Cornell 6 - Providence 5, OT.  aka  Randy Wilson Day.

2003 ECAC Final
2007 Lax NCAA QF aka the Seibald trail check game vs Albany

2010 NCAA basketball tournament victories over Temple and Wisconsin

Game one of the 90-91 ncaa hockey tournament at Michigan. We basically trained their fan base to what it has become.

Cornell 8, BU 7 (3OT), 2012 NCAA tournament quarterfinal at Lynah.

Cornell 4, Princeton 3, 2009 ECAC semifinal. Cornell trailed 3-1 with about 3 minutes left when Evan Barlow scored on a spectacular end-to-end rush. Then Riley Nash scored an EAG to send it to OT. Colin Greening then won it in the 2nd OT.

I can't believe the nobody mentioned the 1983 Hahvahd game, Schafer stick crack over head, victory after quick early 0-4 deficit.  Loudest I ever heard Lynah when Cornell tied it up in the third.

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Quote from: upprdeckI dont remember but didnt we play them last time inside as well?

I'm not sure who "them" is. But on March 8, 2020, Cornell beat #2 PSU 18-17 (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule/2020), with Jeff Teat tying the game with 18 seconds left. PSU won the next faceoff, but Cornell gained possession in its defensive zone. It all happened so fast that Petrakis was still on the field. He received a clearing pass and scored the winning goal with 8 seconds left. (https://youtu.be/ZhhpEwOvzmQ)

My God! In 2020, with this lacrosse team and men's and women's hockey, COVID broke my heart. ::thud:: The 2020 heartbreak is so bad, I can't even remember 2009. As far as I'm concerned, 2009 never happened.

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Quote from: upprdeckI dont remember but didnt we play them last time inside as well?

I'm not sure who "them" is. But on March 8, 2020, Cornell beat #2 PSU 18-17 (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule/2020), with Jeff Teat tying the game with 18 seconds left. PSU won the next faceoff, but Cornell gained possession in its defensive zone. It all happened so fast that Petrakis was still on the field. He received a clearing pass and scored the winning goal with 8 seconds left. (https://youtu.be/ZhhpEwOvzmQ)

My God! In 2020, with this lacrosse team and men's and women's hockey, COVID broke my heart. ::thud:: The 2020 heartbreak is so bad, I can't even remember 2009. As far as I'm concerned, 2009 never happened.

Quote from: dbilmesThe Penn State game has been moved indoors (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-lacrosse-mens-lax-game-at-penn-state-moved-indoors-no-spectators-or-live-stream.aspx). No spectators. No streaming.

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Quote from: dbilmesThe Penn State game has been moved indoors (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-lacrosse-mens-lax-game-at-penn-state-moved-indoors-no-spectators-or-live-stream.aspx). No spectators. No streaming.

Sheesh. We've got live video streaming out of Ukraine under worse conditions. A school with a $100M budget can't find someone to put a router and a tripod in the indoor practice field? Need a camera? Grab one out the men's locker room. Looks like a shower head.

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Quote from: dbilmesThe Penn State game has been moved indoors (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-lacrosse-mens-lax-game-at-penn-state-moved-indoors-no-spectators-or-live-stream.aspx). No spectators. No streaming.

Sheesh. We've got live video streaming out of Ukraine under worse conditions. A school with a $100M budget can't find someone to put a router and a tripod in the indoor practice field? Need a camera? Grab one out the men's locker room. Looks like a shower head.

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Quote from: dbilmesThe Penn State game has been moved indoors (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-lacrosse-mens-lax-game-at-penn-state-moved-indoors-no-spectators-or-live-stream.aspx). No spectators. No streaming.

Sheesh. We've got live video streaming out of Ukraine under worse conditions. A school with a $100M budget can't find someone to put a router and a tripod in the indoor practice field? Need a camera? Grab one out the men's locker room. Looks like a shower head.

Quote from: upprdeckthere is no doubt everything the fball team does is recorded inside that place from multiple angles

Quote from: Ken711Tale of two periods so far at Penn State.  Cornell up 6-2 at the end of the 1st period and now 8-7 Penn State at the half.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioGoals now 22 at one end, 6 at the other.  Cornell now at the wrong end in a tie game.  Lighting?  Background?

Quote from: djk26Tougher than expected--I'll take it.  Yale and Penn up next.  This may be the first year I can remember that our in league games will raise our strength of schedule more than our out of league games.  Ivy League is a beast this year, and it is great to see after two lost seasons.

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Quote from: djk26Tougher than expected--I'll take it.  Yale and Penn up next.  This may be the first year I can remember that our in league games will raise our strength of schedule more than our out of league games.  Ivy League is a beast this year, and it is great to see after two lost seasons.

I think playing inside because of the weather certainly didn't do Cornell any favors.  Glad they won.

Quote from: dag14I am curious -- were any posters at the game?  How much snow has fallen in State College?  Are conditions horrendous?  I realize that hindsight is always 20/20 but could this game have been played outdoors?

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Quote from: djk26Tougher than expected--I'll take it.  Yale and Penn up next.  This may be the first year I can remember that our in league games will raise our strength of schedule more than our out of league games.  Ivy League is a beast this year, and it is great to see after two lost seasons.

I think playing inside because of the weather certainly didn't do Cornell any favors.  Glad they won.

I had a similar thought. I've been unable to find save % on any lacrosse data site. But it seemed to me Ierlan was saving a lower % of shots than usual. I wondered if he was having some difficulty seeing the ball indoors.

BTW & FWIW, it was great that while doing my taxes I could just say, "Alexa, play WHCU!" and hear the entire game. Hopefully, tonight I'll be done with Uncle $am's pound of flesh and be able to watch tonight's game on ESPN+.

Quote from: mike1960Where did you all watch the game? I thought it wasn't available?

Very thankful for the win.

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Quote from: mike1960Where did you all watch the game? I thought it wasn't available?

Very thankful for the win.

Didn't watch.  WHCU and liveststs.

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Quote from: mike1960Where did you all watch the game? I thought it wasn't available?

Very thankful for the win.

Didn't watch.  WHCU and liveststs.

Is Barry Leonard ok? That was the most muted and un-energenic end-of-game call in a squeaker. I almost felt I mistook the Q4 for Q3.

Quote from: dag14Since they were broadcasting from a practice facility, I suspect it wasn't the greatest setup.  For all we know Barry could have been next to the PSU team on the sideline and may have toned it down unconsciously....

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[b]Media poll 3/14/22 D1 Lacrosse[/b]
 1. Maryland (6-0) (has been #1 since week 1)
 2. Virginia (5-0)
 3. Princeton was 7 beat #3 Rutgers
 [b][color=#FF0000]4. Cornell (5-0) no change[/color][/b]
 5. Georgetown
 6. Penn (2-goal loss, 3 1-goal wins)
 7. Ohio State was #10, beat #16 1-3 ND, voters forgiving them the Cornell loss?  
 8. Rutgers
 9. Army
10. NC
11. Yale
15. Brown
17. Harvard
Also votes among NYS teams, current/past competitors: Lehigh, Syracuse, Hobart, Stony Brook, Bucknell, Penn State, even: Dartmouth.

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[b]Media poll 3/14/22 D1 Lacrosse[/b]
 1. Maryland (6-0) (has been #1 since week 1)
 2. Virginia (5-0)
 3. Princeton was 7 beat #3 Rutgers
 [b][color=#FF0000]4. Cornell (5-0) no change[/color][/b]
 5. Georgetown
 6. Penn (2-goal loss, 3 1-goal wins)
 7. Ohio State was #10, beat #16 1-3 ND, voters forgiving them the Cornell loss?  
 8. Rutgers
 9. Army
10. NC
11. Yale
15. Brown
17. Harvard
Also votes among NYS teams, current/past competitors: Lehigh, Syracuse, Hobart, Stony Brook, Bucknell, Penn State, even: Dartmouth.

Big move up by Princeton.

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[b]Media poll 3/14/22 D1 Lacrosse[/b]
 1. Maryland (6-0) (has been #1 since week 1)
 2. Virginia (5-0)
 3. Princeton was 7 beat #3 Rutgers
 [b][color=#FF0000]4. Cornell (5-0) no change[/color][/b]
 5. Georgetown
 6. Penn (2-goal loss, 3 1-goal wins)
 7. Ohio State was #10, beat #16 1-3 ND, voters forgiving them the Cornell loss?  
 8. Rutgers
 9. Army
10. NC
11. Yale
15. Brown
17. Harvard
Also votes among NYS teams, current/past competitors: Lehigh, Syracuse, Hobart, Stony Brook, Bucknell, Penn State, even: Dartmouth.

Big move up by Princeton.

I'm happy enough letting Princeton take some of the spotlight. I'm only interested in where we sit at the end of the season.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioCan't hold onto the damn ball.  Look panicked trying to clear.

Where is Petrakis?  Can't win a faceoff or even come close.

Quote from: dbilmesWe hold on to beat Yale, 13-12. After shutting out Yale in the third quarter and building up a 12-5 lead on an 8-0 run, we collapsed and were lucky to survive. Both goalies played well, with each making 18 saves, but we lost 21 of 28 faceoffs, including all 7 in first quarter.
The bottom line is we are still undefeated, and won our first Ivy game in three years.

Quote from: arugulaDoes anyone understand the game well enough to explain why we are consistently below average to bad on face offs?

Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

Quote from: CU77Our top FOGO, Petrakis, had been doing well, but was called for multiple violations in the PSU game. No video, so we didn't see what happened, but the sheer number of called violations was strongly indicative of a ref who was calling incidental movement as a violation, which should not be happening. (Inconsistency of ref calls on FO is a generally recognized issue in the sport.) This may have spooked Petrakis' timing. After him, Cornell's talent level at the position falls off.

I also agree with everything dag14 said (though I too am only a fan, never a player).

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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?
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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Quote from: billhowardCU77's link to the Inside Lacrosse game story shows two Yale Men's Lacrosse tweets the and one from USA Lacrosse Mag, none from Cornell. If you search "Twitter cornell men's lacrosse" via Google, the first result is freaking Cornell College. That should not be.

Twitter, Instagram and TikTok seem dumb to many but it's how a lot of people get their news and how HS/prep athletes track college sports programs. Cornell College doesn't have a Bill & Melinda Gates Hall, we do. Make use of it.

Cornell's sports PR office is not overstaffed (well, nobody had to go to LP this weekend) but there are plenty of social-media savvy students who need internship credits and/or extra cash. Put them to work. They've got the bandwidth to process photos from the field or grab video clips (as Yale did).

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Quote from: billhowardCU77's link to the Inside Lacrosse game story shows two Yale Men's Lacrosse tweets the and one from USA Lacrosse Mag, none from Cornell. If you search "Twitter cornell men's lacrosse" via Google, the first result is freaking Cornell College. That should not be.

Twitter, Instagram and TikTok seem dumb to many but it's how a lot of people get their news and how HS/prep athletes track college sports programs. Cornell College doesn't have a Bill & Melinda Gates Hall, we do. Make use of it.

Cornell's sports PR office is not overstaffed (well, nobody had to go to LP this weekend) but there are plenty of social-media savvy students who need internship credits and/or extra cash. Put them to work. They've got the bandwidth to process photos from the field or grab video clips (as Yale did).

Lots of schools post in-game twitter updates, Cornell does not. Not the first thing I would spend money on (where is that indoor facility???), but it does kinda suck.

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Quote from: billhowardCU77's link to the Inside Lacrosse game story shows two Yale Men's Lacrosse tweets the and one from USA Lacrosse Mag, none from Cornell. If you search "Twitter cornell men's lacrosse" via Google, the first result is freaking Cornell College. That should not be.

Twitter, Instagram and TikTok seem dumb to many but it's how a lot of people get their news and how HS/prep athletes track college sports programs. Cornell College doesn't have a Bill & Melinda Gates Hall, we do. Make use of it.

Cornell's sports PR office is not overstaffed (well, nobody had to go to LP this weekend) but there are plenty of social-media savvy students who need internship credits and/or extra cash. Put them to work. They've got the bandwidth to process photos from the field or grab video clips (as Yale did).

Lots of schools post in-game twitter updates, Cornell does not. Not the first thing I would spend money on (where is that indoor facility???), but it does kinda suck.

QuoteIn the past quarter century, Noel has successfully upgraded a number of department facilities including the renovations of Schoellkopf Hall, Lynah Rink, the Cornell Rowing Center, Hoy Field, Niemand*Robison Field and the Friedman Wrestling Center. He led the charge to build the Merrill Family Sailing Center, Marsha Dodson Field and the Noyes Fitness Center, and he was at the helm as Outdoor Education completed a massive transformation of the Lindseth Climbing Wall, a signature achievement for the entire campus. Noel has recently closed in on finishing a fundraising campaign toward a field house to be constructed on the university's central campus. Many other transformative projects took flight under his leadership – included among them the creation of McGovern Fields, installation of synthetic fields at Schoellkopf and Hoy Fields, scores of office and locker room enhancements, and the resurfacing of the Barton Hall track and scoreboard.

Interesting tidbit from that sentence is the site location..."constructed on the university's central campus".  I assume that means it won't be built at the Game Farm Rd complex where the new baseball field is going.

Quote from: Cornell ministry of informationclosed in on finishing a fundraising campaign toward a field house...

Quote from: WederCornell tweets in-game updates for all sports from one account.

Quote from: upprdeckbball had a jump ball after every score for 50 years.. that doesnt seem to have hurt the sport to get rid of it..

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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
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Furthermore, suppose Yale had tied the game, sending it into "sudden victory" OT.  Very likely, the face off would have gone to Yale and we'd be 5-1, rather than 6-0.  Need to change lax OT, too, while we're at it.
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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Why?

Because it's boring, and because the face-off is one of lax's distintive features. We don't need to make every game a basketball clone.

In certain sports, the need for a specialized player is unavoidable (hockey goalie, football placekicker, baseball pitcher), but in lacrosse the outsized importance of the FOGO is easily remedied — give the ball to the scored-on team behind their goal.  They still have to effectively clear and that is not a given (Cornell was 15 for 25).  Should a FOGO who wins three quarters of the face-offs determine the outcome of a game?  I think not.  Fortunately, on Saturday afternoon, it didn't, but it was close.
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Furthermore, suppose Yale had tied the game, sending it into "sudden victory" OT.  Very likely, the face off would have gone to Yale and we'd be 5-1, rather than 6-0.  Need to change lax OT, too, while we're at it.
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i have no problem with SV in lax. want the ball? win the faceoff or get a turnover.

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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

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Quote from: billhowardThe ultimate rule change may yet be: Other team gets the ball after a goal. It has been proposed, not sure how seriously.

It was tried one year in the late 70s. I hope never to see it again.

Quote from: CU77Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

Quote from: George64Furthermore, suppose Yale had tied the game, sending it into "sudden victory" OT.  Very likely, the face off would have gone to Yale and we'd be 5-1, rather than 6-0.  Need to change lax OT, too, while we're at it.

Quote from: CU77Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

Quote from: billhowardBasketball may be the sport that requires the most skill. Height helps.

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Quote from: CU77Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

It's not just basketball, it's practically every other sport (football, baseball, tennis, ...) that alternates possession. Lacrosse is the exception.

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Quote from: CU77Why do "casual fans" want to turn every sport into basketball? If you like basketball, there's no shortage, go watch basketball! Me, I hate basketball and always have. Most boring sport on the planet.

It's not just basketball, it's practically every other sport (football, baseball, tennis, ...) that alternates possession. Lacrosse is the exception.

And hockey...

Quote from: BearLoverTrue, but in hockey the puck is turned over or up for grabs every 30 seconds or so, and there are about four goals per game.

Quote from: CU2007I don't follow lacrosse especially closely but see we are 6-0. What type of record would we need to get an at large to the NCAA should we fall short in the Ivy Tourney?

Quote from: NCAADIVISION I SELECTION CRITERIA:
The committee will utilize the following criteria to select and seed teams:
• Strength of schedule index.
• Results of the RPI.
   -  Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+      
   -  Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins)
   -  Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses)
• Head-to-head competition:
   -  Results versus common opponents.
   -  Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
   -  Locations of contests.
• Input from the regional advisory committee (comprised of lacrosse coashes from all AQ conferences).

... the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee will select and seed the top eight teams for the Division I Championship.  The top eight teams will be seeded and separated in the bracket; the remaining eight teams will be placed geographically, without compromising the integrity of the bracket.

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Quote from: BearLoverTrue, but in hockey the puck is turned over or up for grabs every 30 seconds or so, and there are about four goals per game.

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Quote from: arugulaOK, riddle me this.  USILA poll has us at number 3 last week.  We beat a good, ranked Yale team and ...drop in the polls.  No respect for this team yet, despite a reasonably tough schedule.  Need to beat Penn Saturday.

Quote from: upprdeckif a guy takes a FO they he doesnt leave the field until the ball does or  the other team gets it back.  pretty simple.

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Quote from: CU2007I don't follow lacrosse especially closely but see we are 6-0. What type of record would we need to get an at large to the NCAA should we fall short in the Ivy Tourney?

If Cornell does not win the Ivy League tournament, it has to be one of the seven best teams not selected. The D1 tournament has 16 spots. Nine teams are in leagues with automatic qualifiers. That leaves 64 other teams (men's D1 has ~73 teams) vying for those nine spots.

Quote from: Oscar WildeThe unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

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Quote from: Oscar WildeThe unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

Unbeaten BU plays at Harvard tonight 7 pm. Sort of a one-game Beanpot of Lax with BC and Northeastern doing not much with Canada's other sport. Cantabs 5-4 at the half.

Quote from: arugulaPenn was 21-19 on faceoffs against Princeton.  11-2 against us today so far. I ask again, why are we consistently terrible at the x. Everything else is good and it's all being undermined by the x. A shame to have one aspect ruin everything.  Down 9-4 and could be worse but for Ierlan.

Quote from: semsoxUnfortunately, if Blake's injury was as bad as it looked, I think it's a pretty significant downgrade of the ultimate ceiling of this team. :-/

Quote from: mike1960Tough loss. But a loss can be useful to motivate guys to work harder and be better for the last stretch.

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Quote from: mike1960Tough loss. But a loss can be useful to motivate guys to work harder and be better for the last stretch.

True, but if Blake is gone for a long time or the season, all that may not really matter.

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Quote from: mike1960Tough loss. But a loss can be useful to motivate guys to work harder and be better for the last stretch.

True, but if Blake is gone for a long time or the season, all that may not really matter.

He couldn't put weight on it, so it doesn't look good. We'll see. But it's next man up. Wirtheim is playing well.

Few thought Cornell would be this good this year. Maybe they improve a little more going forward.

Quote from: arugulaI ask again, why are we consistently terrible at the x.

Quote from: rss77With Blake and Lombardi out we need to see if some of the underclassman can step up.  There are about 50 on the roster-correct?  Was watching the Yale-Princeton game and noted that Shay, the Yale coach, was gradually putting some first year players out there,  Concerning faceoffs I believe the rules makers goal is to create 50/50 balls with more wing play but what we are seeing is that no matter how the f/o rules are tweaked some guys find a way to dominate.

Quote from: Quint Kessenich, Lax All StarsThe Big Red dropped a league game to Penn this weekend and appear to be leaking oil with injuries and a lack of reinforcements. Big games are played with leaves on the trees. Snow bank wins mean very little in May. They tried to play catch up against the Quakers and came up short. Maryland is now the only undefeated team in men's D1 lacrosse. John Piatelli scored four times and CJ Kirst finished with five points. Gavin Adler, a senior defender from Hewlett, Long Island, continues to flash and play his way into the discussion for top defender honors. Adler, Virginia's Cole Kastner, and Georgetown's Will Bowen would be my tip trio right now.

Cornell faces Colgate on Tuesday night and are at Dartmouth on Saturday. Big Red still have future dates with top caliber squads Harvard, Syracuse, Army, Brown, and Princeton. Time to get healthy and find a second wind.

Quote from: billhowardNo surprise, the first loss cost Cornell 3 spots in the D1 media poll for March 28. Maryland remains #1. Three of the four top 20 teams are also in the basketball final four: UNC, Duke, Villanova. (St. Peter's has no varsity lax team.)

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Media poll 3/28/22
1.  Maryland
2.  Virginia +1 positions (didn't take them long to bounce back from their loss)
3.  Georgetown +2
4.  Penn +2
5.  Rutgers +2
6.  Princeton -4 (lost to Yale)
[b][color=#FF0000]7.  Cornell -3[/color][/b]
8.  Yale +6  
9.  North Carolina  --
10. Harvard +5  Gave BU its first loss, beat Dartmouth (1 win above .500), the one unranked Ivy team
16. Duke
19. Villanova
Also got votes: Brown et al
Also didn't get votes (so why was the Cornell game so close?): Penn State

Quote from: Ken7115 Ivy schools in the top 10.

Quote from: billhowardNo surprise, the first loss cost Cornell 3 spots in the D1 media poll for March 28. Maryland remains #1. Three of the four top 20 teams are also in the basketball final four: UNC, Duke, Villanova. (St. Peter's has no varsity lax team.)

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Media poll 3/28/22
1.  Maryland
2.  Virginia +1 positions (didn't take them long to bounce back from their loss)
3.  Georgetown +2
4.  Penn +2
5.  Rutgers +2
6.  Princeton -4 (lost to Yale)
[b][color=#FF0000]7.  Cornell -3[/color][/b]
8.  Yale +6  
9.  North Carolina  --
10. Harvard +5  Gave BU its first loss, beat Dartmouth (1 win above .500), the one unranked Ivy team
16. Duke
19. Villanova
Also got votes: Brown et al
Also didn't get votes (so why was the Cornell game so close?): Penn State

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: Ken7115 Ivy schools in the top 10.

Becoming the quintessential Ivy League sport along with crew and (horse) polo.

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Quote from: billhowardNo surprise, the first loss cost Cornell 3 spots in the D1 media poll for March 28. Maryland remains #1. Three of the four top 20 teams are also in the basketball final four: UNC, Duke, Villanova. (St. Peter's has no varsity lax team.)

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Media poll 3/28/22
1.  Maryland
2.  Virginia +1 positions (didn't take them long to bounce back from their loss)
3.  Georgetown +2
4.  Penn +2
5.  Rutgers +2
6.  Princeton -4 (lost to Yale)
[b][color=#FF0000]7.  Cornell -3[/color][/b]
8.  Yale +6  
9.  North Carolina  --
10. Harvard +5  Gave BU its first loss, beat Dartmouth (1 win above .500), the one unranked Ivy team
16. Duke
19. Villanova
Also got votes: Brown et al
Also didn't get votes (so why was the Cornell game so close?): Penn State

Cornell should be favored in the rest of the games this year until (and perhaps even then) the final game against Princeton. So we may not win them all, but we should have a decent record for a bid to the tournament.

Syracuse is the one I really want the team to win. It's a tough task: They play on a Monday with a rest of only two days after playing a very good Harvard team.

Quote from: Ken711It would be nice, but how long has it been since Cornell beat Syracuse?

Quote from: WederNCAA rowing, a women's sport only, is mostly dominated by the big state schools these days. (I think the Ivies do a bit better on the men's side.) There are only like 3 Ivy schools that play polo.

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Quote from: Ken711It would be nice, but how long has it been since Cornell beat Syracuse?

First round of 2018 tournament.

(LMGTFY)

Quote from: mike1960Cornell should be favored in the rest of the games this year until (and perhaps even then) the final game against Princeton. So we may not win them all, but we should have a decent record for a bid to the tournament.

Quote from: billhowardAlso, if you play polo, odds are your family isn't asking for financial aid and could be active in the parents' fund.
Polo has the feel of being an elite sport, which concept some schools are increasingly loathe to support

Quote from: mike1960I came to the Colgate broadcast late today. Did they say anything about Aiden Blake's injury?

Quote from: mike1960I came to the Colgate broadcast late today. Did they say anything about Aiden Blake's injury?

Quote from: mike1960Good game overall. The offense was efficient most of the time and sometimes looked pretty great when they found the open guys in the face of the goal. It was an opportunity to players to work together with first and second line midfields in the absence of Blake. Upward and onward!

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Quote from: mike1960Good game overall. The offense was efficient most of the time and sometimes looked pretty great when they found the open guys in the face of the goal. It was an opportunity to players to work together with first and second line midfields in the absence of Blake. Upward and onward!

Yes, but still having trouble on ground balls, which we must improve against stronger competition.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioNot getting much from the middies with Blake and Lombardi out.  Doesn't bode well.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioShots 11-3 Dartmouth; saves 3-0 Dartmouth: dreadful start.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioShots 11-3 Dartmouth; saves 3-0 Dartmouth: dreadful start.

Quote from: Ken711

Quote from: Al DeFlorioShots 11-3 Dartmouth; saves 3-0 Dartmouth: dreadful start.

Don't forget, only 1 for 5 on face-offs so far.

Quote from: Ken711Cornell closes trailing 4-3 still in the 1st.

Quote from: scoop85

Quote from: Ken711Cornell closes trailing 4-3 still in the 1st.

We're getting plenty of good looks when we have the ball. The problem is the lack of possessions resulting from the abysmal faceoff situation.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioGround balls 16-4 Dartmouth!

Quote from: Al DeFlorioGround balls 16-4 Dartmouth!

Quote from: mike1960We look lost on the man-up offense.

Quote from: mike1960I love the drive down the alley. I know a lot of people think it's predictable but it puts a lot of stress on the defense. The ball will draw a double and so someone should be open somewhere. If it doesn't, the ballcarrier will have a decent shot, as Coyle did there.

Quote from: mike1960Gavin Adler is a beast.

Quote from: Ken7115-5 game now, Cornell 3 for 11 on face-offs.

Quote from: dag14I didn't read the Athletics writeup but the box score reports Cornell won 7 of 18 faceoffs and Dartmouth was 11 of 18.

Quote from: CU77Looking WAY ahead ...

If the Ivy Fantastic Four (C,Y,Pr,Pe) wins every remaining game against the Sidekicks (H,B,D), as Massey predicts, then it all comes down to Cornell @ Princeton.

If the Big Red takes that (after, in this scenario, beating Harvard and Brown), then Cornell and Yale are tied at the top of the Ivy standings at 5-1, and Cornell holds the tiebreaker! The Ivy seedings are C,Y,Pr,Pe.

But if the Tigers win, then Yale stands alone at 5-1, with C,Pe,Pr all at 4-2. Then, since C will have lost to both Pe and Pr, the seedings are Y,Pr,Pe,C.

Quote from: mike1960... I was thinking about Cornell's offense, and I would like to see them also spread the offense out a little bit and send a cutter or successive cutters in front of the goal. Right now, they run a little bit of a box offense. They like to pass around and squeeze the defense down to have a shorter shot from outside that might be screened by all the bodies in front. But this style also clogs the middle and makes it difficult to find an open cutter. When they tried hitting the cutter against Darthmouth after compressing the defense, there was just not enough space to fit it in. This might have been most evident in the man-up offense. The defense was packed in and we had a difficult time finding a good shot.

Quote from: upprdeckFaceoffs against Dart were bad much of the game but then they caused TO and limited shots too to get the ball back, .. the Dart goalie was saving around 70% to keep them in the game. but we compounded issues with a bad clearing game..

We will not survive against the better teams at under 40% most of the time at the X no matter how well the D plays.

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Quote from: upprdeckFaceoffs against Dart were bad much of the game but then they caused TO and limited shots too to get the ball back, .. the Dart goalie was saving around 70% to keep them in the game. but we compounded issues with a bad clearing game..

We will not survive against the better teams at under 40% most of the time at the X no matter how well the D plays.

Gavin Adler, please stay healthy.

I just read Adler's stats. He's 5-foot-8 and a defenseman and considered on the of 3 or 4 best defenders in lacrosse. Freaking Jeff Teat was 5-foot-10 although 10 pounds lighter and got pushed around occasionally.

• The archetypical attackman is either tall and lanky or a short dodger, with a low center of gravity.
• The archetypical middie is short (5' 7"+ and very fast and quick -- think Billy Coyle) or something like 6' 2" and low 200 lbs. (think Max Siebald or Connor Buczek)
• The archetypical defender is big. Because offensive players want to retain the ball, they try to avoid physical contact with defenders. OTOH, defenders often initiate contact with the opposing team's offense. So, they tend to be big. Adler is exceptional with his speed, quickness, and (most of all) stick-work. He's also listed at 180 lbs, which is pretty heavy for someone 5' 8". If the listed weight is accurate, then given his play, it must be all muscle. It's testimony to his athletic ability that he's able to guard guys 6-8 inches taller.

Quote from: SwampyOne of the great things about lacrosse is that -- unlike basketball, football, or hockey -- players can be all sizes.

Quote from: nshapiroInteresting dynamic among top lacrosse teams:

Maryland - Undefeated with quality win over Penn

Princeton/Georgetown/Cornell/Penn/Yale - Each team has at least one win and loss among the group, and the only loss to a team below them is the Yale loss to 2-8 Penn State

Rutgers - Lost to Princeton, but no losses to anyone not listed.

Every other school has a loss to someone not listed above.

If Rutgers manages to beat Maryland this weekend, and everyone else continues to win games they should, then all 7 teams would have at least one win and loss within the group.

At this point, it would be fair to say that all other teams are on the outside, although RPI has Virginia and Hahvahd above Rutgers and Cornell.

After all those years of feeling frustrated by the ACC superiority because they were winners of the few significant OOC games, it is nice that the tables are finally turned and the Ivies are the ones benefiting.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioHard to believe Harvard's RPI is higher when they have yet to play a top ten team.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioBrown hands Penn third Ivy loss at Penn.  Cornell has three brutal Ivy games coming up.

Quote from: RichHThe final today was 17-9 Cornell. Face-offs we're 18-11 Big Red.

Quote from: dbilmesWho was the color commentator during the Harvard game? When I watched the Yale game a few weeks earlier, it was only the play-by-play guy. The broadcast was much better with a knowledgable color commentator.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: dbilmesWho was the color commentator during the Harvard game? When I watched the Yale game a few weeks earlier, it was only the play-by-play guy. The broadcast was much better with a knowledgable color commentator.

Howie Borkan '81...excellent.

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2011/6/10/MLAX_0610115505.aspx

Quote from: Weder

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: dbilmesWho was the color commentator during the Harvard game? When I watched the Yale game a few weeks earlier, it was only the play-by-play guy. The broadcast was much better with a knowledgable color commentator.

Howie Borkan '81...excellent.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2011/6/10/MLAX_0610115505.aspx

He usually does radio, right? I wonder if this was a one-time thing or if they're switching it up for good to give the ESPN+ broadcast, which presumably has a larger audience, a two-person booth.

Quote from: dag14Howie lives and works in NYC so if his color commentary is missing at a game, it means he couldn't make the trip.  Tom Lafalce -- a Cornell employee who also does a great job -- is the other regular color guy.  He was at Colgate I believe.

Quote from: mike1960

Quote from: dag14Howie lives and works in NYC so if his color commentary is missing at a game, it means he couldn't make the trip.  Tom Lafalce -- a Cornell employee who also does a great job -- is the other regular color guy.  He was at Colgate I believe.

Did LaFalce play at Colgate?

Quote from: Scersk '97

Quote from: mike1960

Quote from: dag14Howie lives and works in NYC so if his color commentary is missing at a game, it means he couldn't make the trip.  Tom Lafalce -- a Cornell employee who also does a great job -- is the other regular color guy.  He was at Colgate I believe.

Did LaFalce play at Colgate?

Tom was once head manager of the Big Red Marching Band. He's from Long Island, so I've always assumed he played in high school.

Quote from: mike1960AP was looking to score. He needs to get it to the attack and move off the field. He's winning the clamps but seems to anxious after he gets it.

We'll come back and make this a game, but this is a deep hole obviously.

Quote from: dag14I didn't watch the game [too complicated to explain why I didn't have the feed] and after just a little of the WHCU broadcast, I decided I couldn't deal with that either.  So I had to rely on the updating of the stats.  Needless to say, early on I was just as happy that I hadn't paid to see the game but of course the Cardiac Kids did it again, coming from behind to pull it out.

Having watched games in the Dome and knowing a number of Cornell goalies over the years, I know that they often struggle to see the ball at Syracuse.  Those who watced the game:  was that Chayse's problem?  I prefer not to name names, but some outstanding goalies have absolutely sucked when they had to play in the Dome so I have no problem saying this was a one-off and hoping he can chalk it up to experience.

Quote from: arugulaThey just keep going.  Love the fact that the parade of coaches who, ahem, moved on are all having tough years while Cornell just keeps winning.  Petramala, Tambroni, Milliman, Deluca. Anyone else?

Quote from: dag14Having watched games in the Dome and knowing a number of Cornell goalies over the years, I know that they often struggle to see the ball at Syracuse.

Quote from: SwampyLong story, but I couldn't watch the game earlier. (Did listen to WHCU, however.) Is there any way to replay it on demand?

Quote from: KenP

Quote from: SwampyLong story, but I couldn't watch the game earlier. (Did listen to WHCU, however.) Is there any way to replay it on demand?

it will be on ESPN+ tomorrow night

Quote from: mike1960

Quote from: KenP

Quote from: SwampyLong story, but I couldn't watch the game earlier. (Did listen to WHCU, however.) Is there any way to replay it on demand?

it will be on ESPN+ tomorrow night

It's already available on ESPN. (I don't see it on ESPN+).

https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule

Quote from: mike1960What does the announcer mean by a "stick penalty"?

Quote from: CU77

Quote from: mike1960What does the announcer mean by a "stick penalty"?

Use of a stick that doesn't meet specs, usually because the pocket of the netting is too deep.

Quote from: mike1960I just scared my dog I yelled so loud.

What a great win!

Quote from: RichH

Quote from: mike1960I just scared my dog I yelled so loud.

What a great win!

I just gotta say that I sincerely love having mike1960's energy around here. I enjoy reading through his chat sessions during games, even though I'm often reading them after-the-fact. Thanks for joining us here, mike.

Quote from: CU77It was indeed a thing of beauty, but my guess is that it was not scripted at that level. Kirst looks to me like he's just moving the ball on because he was stymied at GLE, and then Coyle is just moving it on, and then Kelleher sees an opportunity to shoot because no defender is on him.

Either way, scripted or just heads-up play, it was a fantastic end to the game.

Quote from: CU77Paul Carcaterra interviews Connor Buczek for 50min on his podcast. Worth a listen (and I'm someone who never listens to podcasts ...)

Quote from: scoop85

Quote from: CU77Paul Carcaterra interviews Connor Buczek for 50min on his podcast. Worth a listen (and I'm someone who never listens to podcasts ...)

Same here. I listened last night, and my already great impression of Buczek was only elevated. He was smart, humble, insightful, and charming. I'm confident the program is in great hands for a long time.

Quote from: CU77It was indeed a thing of beauty, but my guess is that it was not scripted at that level. Kirst looks to me like he's just moving the ball on because he was stymied at GLE, and then Coyle is just moving it on, and then Kelleher sees an opportunity to shoot because no defender is on him.

Either way, scripted or just heads-up play, it was a fantastic end to the game.

Quote from: mike1960Hoping for a non-stressful win today, but Army is really good.

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Quote from: mike1960Hoping for a non-stressful win today, but Army is really good.

Oof. Best they had was a non-stressful loss. At least they lost the 'right' out of conference game this week. On to Brown next week.

Quote from: rss77Cornell defense was worn down by Army's dominance at faceoff X.  Like any game possession of the ball is everything.    We can talk about the Goalie play but Army's offensive players seemed to have time and room on every shot puts too much pressure Ierlan or Brust to make miraculous saves.  Sometimes the faceoff strikes me like having a jump ball after every basket,  It puts such a premium on one specialist to have possession dominance,

Quote from: mike1960

Quote from: rss77Cornell defense was worn down by Army's dominance at faceoff X.  Like any game possession of the ball is everything.    We can talk about the Goalie play but Army's offensive players seemed to have time and room on every shot puts too much pressure Ierlan or Brust to make miraculous saves.  Sometimes the faceoff strikes me like having a jump ball after every basket,  It puts such a premium on one specialist to have possession dominance,

I wonder how physically and emotionally drained they were after the Syracuse game. From the jump against Army, our defense looked like they were playing in sand. How many uncontested shots did Army get at 12 yards out? Chayse has had a little trouble with the mid-range shot this year anyway, and then add the possible loss of confidence and you get a super tough day for him.

I can't remember which game it was earlier in the season, but I was incredibly impressed that the Cornell long poles had a stick on the hands of every shooter almost every time. A shooter just can't score if he can't follow through. But lately they've not always gotten out on the shooters, even with the 6 foot long pole, and especially not against Army. Part of the reason may be the zone defense, but I think it's just a question of getting back to fundamentals. They've shown they can do it.

So we went down 7-0 and there was no indication in the first quarter that Cornell was doing to drag itself out of it, but the team played more or less evenly on the scoreboard at least after the first quarter (with some junk time goals). Cornell is still an excellent team that's a little thin at middie. They can still do serious damage in the tournament.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but again I'll mention that the cutting game works when they use it. Long to Coyle is a winning combination. They have the stick skills to make this a devastating part of their game, and it will open up shots on the outside. But instead they camp two guys in front of the crease and rarely throw to them. When they do, the long-poles are well trained to check sticks and make that pass difficult. Teat made a living snapping passes to cutters, and that made the rest of his game even harder to defend. /soapbox

Quote from: scoop85Same here. I listened last night, and my already great impression of Buczek was only elevated. He was smart, humble, insightful, and charming. I'm confident the program is in great hands for a long time.

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: mike1960

Quote from: rss77Cornell defense was worn down by Army's dominance at faceoff X.  Like any game possession of the ball is everything.    We can talk about the Goalie play but Army's offensive players seemed to have time and room on every shot puts too much pressure Ierlan or Brust to make miraculous saves.  Sometimes the faceoff strikes me like having a jump ball after every basket,  It puts such a premium on one specialist to have possession dominance,

I wonder how physically and emotionally drained they were after the Syracuse game. From the jump against Army, our defense looked like they were playing in sand. How many uncontested shots did Army get at 12 yards out? Chayse has had a little trouble with the mid-range shot this year anyway, and then add the possible loss of confidence and you get a super tough day for him.

I can't remember which game it was earlier in the season, but I was incredibly impressed that the Cornell long poles had a stick on the hands of every shooter almost every time. A shooter just can't score if he can't follow through. But lately they've not always gotten out on the shooters, even with the 6 foot long pole, and especially not against Army. Part of the reason may be the zone defense, but I think it's just a question of getting back to fundamentals. They've shown they can do it.

So we went down 7-0 and there was no indication in the first quarter that Cornell was doing to drag itself out of it, but the team played more or less evenly on the scoreboard at least after the first quarter (with some junk time goals). Cornell is still an excellent team that's a little thin at middie. They can still do serious damage in the tournament.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but again I'll mention that the cutting game works when they use it. Long to Coyle is a winning combination. They have the stick skills to make this a devastating part of their game, and it will open up shots on the outside. But instead they camp two guys in front of the crease and rarely throw to them. When they do, the long-poles are well trained to check sticks and make that pass difficult. Teat made a living snapping passes to cutters, and that made the rest of his game even harder to defend. /soapbox

Agree about most things you say, Mike. I'd add the following. (1) Maybe I haven't watched closely enough, but it seems Cornell rarely uses picks to free up cutters. I've noticed Coyle setting picks, but given his size and skills, better results are more likely when he dodges off a pick and gets a feed from Long. (2) There was at least one time in the Army game, probably more, when Piatelli was double-teamed while trying to get to goal. In such instances, the standard remedy is to pass to someone at the back post. But at least once, as I said, I noticed there was nobody there. In fact, I noticed Army, Cuse, and (IIRC) Harvard using this tactic effectively against us, but Cornell rarely (but not never) used it.

Quote from: nshapiroIs there any website that regularly re-calculates RPI, like CHN and USCHO do for hockey?

Quote from: CU77

Quote from: nshapiroIs there any website that regularly re-calculates RPI, like CHN and USCHO do for hockey?

http://college.laxpower2.com/menx/rpi01.php

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: CU77

Quote from: nshapiroIs there any website that regularly re-calculates RPI, like CHN and USCHO do for hockey?

http://college.laxpower2.com/menx/rpi01.php

Which site before the Brown game puts Cornell at 8 and Brown at 9.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioAnother awful start.  Poor shooting.  No saves.  Turnovers.  Hands-free Brown shots.

Quote from: ugartepost the @#$*&#$ score you lunatics!

Quote from: ugartepost the @#$*&#$ score you lunatics!

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ugartepost the @#$*&#$ score you lunatics!

Have you heard of livestats?

Quote from: ugarte

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ugartepost the @#$*&#$ score you lunatics!

Have you heard of livestats?

of course, al, but this isn't a chat room where everyone is watching the game and talking about it. it's a forum where visitors to the site see that there are new posts and when you see "11 new posts" and not one of them contains a score or a timestamp it makes you wonder if everyone else is using a computer for the first time.

Quote from: ugarte

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ugartepost the @#$*&#$ score you lunatics!

Have you heard of livestats?

of course, al, but this isn't a chat room where everyone is watching the game and talking about it. it's a forum where visitors to the site see that there are new posts and when you see "11 new posts" and not one of them contains a score or a timestamp it makes you wonder if everyone else is using a computer for the first time.

Quote from: upprdeckIf Penn beats Dart its a 6 way tie

Quote from: mike1960We need to get out on the shooters. Brown is certainly getting out on our shooters.

The cutter needs to catch and shoot or quick stick. There's no time to cradle. They'll get swarmed by the defense.

Quote from: CU77Sad news: per a knowledgable Cornell poster on the fanlax board, Cornell's legendary lax coach Richie Moran has passed away.

Quote from: arugulaPWR killed hockey, but its sort of equivalent is helping lacrosse.

Quote from: arugulaPWR killed hockey

Quote from: nshapiroI don't have any fond recollections of Cornell benefiting from the 'smoke filled room' methodology before PWR

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: nshapiroI don't have any fond recollections of Cornell benefiting from the 'smoke filled room' methodology before PWR

Touché.

Lacrosse had amazing success on the field but not among the lacrosse title voters in the late 1960s.
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Year   Cornell (notes)           College champion          Chosen
1966  12-0 Harkness' 1st year    Navy                      Poll
1967  11-1                       Maryland, Navy, Hopkins   Poll
1968  12-0                       Hopkins                   Poll
1969   8-3 Moran's 1st year      Army, Hopkins             Poll
1970  11-0                       Hopkins, Navy, Virginia   Poll
1971  13-1                       Cornell                   Tournament

Quote from: billhowardPardon me if you're class of '00 or younger and think, HUGARA (who gives ....).

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: billhowardPardon me if you're class of '00 or younger and think, HUGARA (who gives ....).

I don't think anybody is like that when it comes to our golden years, in lax or hockey.  I remember being really turned on as an undergrad by the Harkness stories (which had the same relation to me as 2011 does to current freshmen... good god!).

Quote from: CU77Two starting D, Doria & Jacobs, not playing ...

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: CU77Two starting D, Doria & Jacobs, not playing ...

Gonna need a lotta goals to win.

Quote from: Chris '03

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: CU77Two starting D, Doria & Jacobs, not playing ...

Gonna need a lotta goals to win.

First five minutes had the feel of a game that would be a race to 20.

Quote from: CU77Brown leads Dartmouth 12-3 in the 4th.

Correct ILT scenarios, straight from the Ivy League office:

If Brown beats Dartmouth, Harvard beats Yale and Cornell beats Princeton:
No. 1 Brown, No. 2 Cornell, No. 3 Harvard, No. 4 Yale

If Brown beats Dartmouth, Yale beats Harvard and Cornell beats Princeton:
No. 1 Brown, No. 2 Cornell, No. 3 Yale, No. 4 Harvard

Quote from: upprdeckgoing into the game Princ was #2 in rpi so the win helped

Harv/BU lost so that helped.

I think Its 100% we are in with a win and almost 100% with a loss.

brown/cornell/prin/yale are all in..

what do they do with Penn who has a crazy high rpi and didnt make the IVY tourney and Harvard probably falls out even if they have a top 15 RPI

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: upprdeckgoing into the game Princ was #2 in rpi so the win helped

Harv/BU lost so that helped.

I think Its 100% we are in with a win and almost 100% with a loss.

brown/cornell/prin/yale are all in..

what do they do with Penn who has a crazy high rpi and didnt make the IVY tourney and Harvard probably falls out even if they have a top 15 RPI

Contrary to some of the scenarios posted here and on fanlax, Penn is the 4-seed over Harvard.  Fooled me, too.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: upprdeckgoing into the game Princ was #2 in rpi so the win helped

Harv/BU lost so that helped.

I think Its 100% we are in with a win and almost 100% with a loss.

brown/cornell/prin/yale are all in..

what do they do with Penn who has a crazy high rpi and didnt make the IVY tourney and Harvard probably falls out even if they have a top 15 RPI

Contrary to some of the scenarios posted here and on fanlax, Penn is the 4-seed over Harvard.  Fooled me, too.

Yep.  

Cornell v Yale at 6 PM Friday

Brown v Penn at 8 PM

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Quote from: upprdeckgoing into the game Princ was #2 in rpi so the win helped

Harv/BU lost so that helped.

I think Its 100% we are in with a win and almost 100% with a loss.

brown/cornell/prin/yale are all in..

what do they do with Penn who has a crazy high rpi and didnt make the IVY tourney and Harvard probably falls out even if they have a top 15 RPI

Contrary to some of the scenarios posted here and on fanlax, Penn is the 4-seed over Harvard.  Fooled me, too.

Yep.  

Cornell v Yale at 6 PM Friday

Brown v Penn at 8 PM

'Supposed to rain Friday evening in Providence. Be prepared!

Quote from: Brown PRStevenson-Pincince Field, named after longtime men's soccer and men's lacrosse coach Cliff Stevenson and longtime women's soccer and softball coach Phil Pincince, is home to the Brown soccer and lacrosse teams.

Stevenson-Pincince Field has a capacity of 3,500 spectators and has hosted many events throughout the years, including several NCAA tournament games in both soccer and lacrosse.

In February 2020, Brown completed the Center for Lacrosse and Soccer. The new structure includes coaches offices, player locker rooms, a video/media space, press box, permanent grandstands, concessions, and a function space.  
https://brownbears.com/facilities/stevenson-pincince-field/16

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: upprdeckgoing into the game Princ was #2 in rpi so the win helped

Harv/BU lost so that helped.

I think Its 100% we are in with a win and almost 100% with a loss.

brown/cornell/prin/yale are all in..

what do they do with Penn who has a crazy high rpi and didnt make the IVY tourney and Harvard probably falls out even if they have a top 15 RPI

Contrary to some of the scenarios posted here and on fanlax, Penn is the 4-seed over Harvard.  Fooled me, too.

Yep.  

Cornell v Yale at 6 PM Friday

Brown v Penn at 8 PM

'Supposed to rain Friday evening in Providence. Be prepared!

Quote from: billhowardArtificial turf for the lax tournament. Also: Seats 3,500 -- could that be a problem? Although Cornell at Princeton only drew 2,011 fans Saturday at a 4,000-seat stadium that has been filled in earlier years.

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Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: upprdeckgoing into the game Princ was #2 in rpi so the win helped

Harv/BU lost so that helped.

I think Its 100% we are in with a win and almost 100% with a loss.

brown/cornell/prin/yale are all in..

what do they do with Penn who has a crazy high rpi and didnt make the IVY tourney and Harvard probably falls out even if they have a top 15 RPI

Contrary to some of the scenarios posted here and on fanlax, Penn is the 4-seed over Harvard.  Fooled me, too.

Yep.  

Cornell v Yale at 6 PM Friday

Brown v Penn at 8 PM

'Supposed to rain Friday evening in Providence. Be prepared!

Cornell weather?

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Quote from: billhowardArtificial turf for the lax tournament. Also: Seats 3,500 -- could that be a problem? Although Cornell at Princeton only drew 2,011 fans Saturday at a 4,000-seat stadium that has been filled in earlier years.

Much prefer an artificial field. A muddy track can be a leveler, and I think we're a better team than Yale.

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Quote from: billhowardArtificial turf for the lax tournament. Also: Seats 3,500 -- could that be a problem? Although Cornell at Princeton only drew 2,011 fans Saturday at a 4,000-seat stadium that has been filled in earlier years.

Much prefer an artificial field. A muddy track can be a leveler, and I think we're a better team than Yale.

I saw Yale live at field level vs Harvard.  They a they are BIG.  And fast. Superior coaching, defense always where they're supposed to be.  Sorry man.  You're dreaming. We could win, But no bet from me.

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Quote from: billhowardArtificial turf for the lax tournament. Also: Seats 3,500 -- could that be a problem? Although Cornell at Princeton only drew 2,011 fans Saturday at a 4,000-seat stadium that has been filled in earlier years.

Much prefer an artificial field. A muddy track can be a leveler, and I think we're a better team than Yale.

I saw Yale live at field level vs Harvard.  They a they are BIG.  And fast. Superior coaching, defense always where they're supposed to be.  Sorry man.  You're dreaming. We could win, But no bet from me.

Cornell already beat them once. They can certainly do it again. Yale is big and physical. In the last game, they simply ran over Cornell players two or three times. But lacrosse rewards physical strength only to a point (and maybe more so on a muddy game). Small and quick can also score a lot of goals. Jeff Teat is not a large player, and he is one of the best ever to play.

Quote from: Michael Tenant, Lax All StarsIvy League
Winner: Cornell
The Ivy League has been an extremely fun and competitive conference to watch this year whether they are playing in or out of conference. Despite Cornell's most recent two goal [sic] skid, they are extremely well rounded and talented across the field. This Cornell team is not unfamiliar with success and should have the leadership to bounce back from these late season hiccups and win the conference tournament.
Underdog: Brown
[Late season wins bring] confidence along with an anchor [more like a form-fitting plug, if you've seen Theriault, 5-foot-7, 210 pounds, in profile –ed] in the net .. exactly what is needed to propel Brown to a lacrosse conference tournament championship this year. https://laxallstars.com/2022-ncaa-lacrosse-conference-tournament/

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Quote from: billhowardArtificial turf for the lax tournament. Also: Seats 3,500 -- could that be a problem? Although Cornell at Princeton only drew 2,011 fans Saturday at a 4,000-seat stadium that has been filled in earlier years.

Much prefer an artificial field. A muddy track can be a leveler, and I think we're a better team than Yale.

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Quote from: billhowardArtificial turf for the lax tournament. Also: Seats 3,500 -- could that be a problem? Although Cornell at Princeton only drew 2,011 fans Saturday at a 4,000-seat stadium that has been filled in earlier years.

Much prefer an artificial field. A muddy track can be a leveler, and I think we're a better team than Yale.

Brown's lacrosse stadium has an artificial turf surface. There is no rain forecasted for Friday anyway, according to the latest weather report.

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Quote from: billhowardArtificial turf for the lax tournament. Also: Seats 3,500 -- could that be a problem? Although Cornell at Princeton only drew 2,011 fans Saturday at a 4,000-seat stadium that has been filled in earlier years.

Much prefer an artificial field. A muddy track can be a leveler, and I think we're a better team than Yale.

Brown's lacrosse stadium has an artificial turf surface. There is no rain forecasted for Friday anyway, according to the latest weather report.

Weather.com (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/3d46f8e16fa6822433f0500b449354f7f22881e68dc2f31bccc2f188a7f278d3) is still showing Friday chances of rain = 15% day, 24% night.

I bought my tickets today. GA: $15.00 Friday only, $20.00 Friday & Sunday. I used electronic ticketing to print out my tickets for both days. (No waiting in line for will-call.)

I would like to assume that buying tickets guarantees seats, but the link at BrownBears.com, which Bill Howard posted, shows a seemingly SRO crowd by a fence. So, maybe the 3,500 seat figure is not the full capacity.

Fortunately, our game is the early one, and Brown's is late. It may be a safe assumption that many local fans won't show up for the early, dinnertime game.

My own plan is to go to the Providence Place Mall downtown, pick up some M-Day presents and an early dinner in the food court, and then head over to S-P Field around 5:30.

Beware: the parking lot there is not nearly big enough for a capacity crowd. On-street parking nearby is free, if you can find a spot.

Quote from: SwampyBeware: the parking lot there is not nearly big enough for a capacity crowd. On-street parking nearby is free, if you can find a spot.

Quote from: Game Farm Road Athletic Complex Facilities Master Plan June 2015Opportunities to achieve connections to and from the central campus exist at the macro and micro level and should be embodied in the Game Farm Road organizational framework.

Quote from: George64The art of the faceoff. (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=01cba7bc9_134847c) Interesting D&C article about Rochester area faceoff specialists and technique. Comments by TD Ierlan.

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Quote from: George64The art of the faceoff. (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=01cba7bc9_134847c) Interesting D&C article about Rochester area faceoff specialists and technique. Comments by TD Ierlan.

Victor Junior FOGO Sam Ricci, who's 4th on the list in the article, is a Cornell recruit

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Quote from: George64The art of the faceoff. (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=01cba7bc9_134847c) Interesting D&C article about Rochester area faceoff specialists and technique. Comments by TD Ierlan.

Victor Junior FOGO Sam Ricci, who's 4th on the list in the article, is a Cornell recruit

Victor is currently 11-0, and alma mater of Chase and TD Ierlan.

Quote from: dbilmesConnor Buczek Ivy League Coach of the Year, and C.J. Kirst Rookie of the Year, Piatelli and Adler both named All-Ivy first team, with Adler an unanimous pick.
Complete list here. (https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/5/4/mens-lacrosse-major-awards-all-ivy-announced-following-historic-year.aspx)

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Quote from: dbilmesConnor Buczek Ivy League Coach of the Year, and C.J. Kirst Rookie of the Year, Piatelli and Adler both named All-Ivy first team, with Adler an unanimous pick.
Complete list here. (https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/5/4/mens-lacrosse-major-awards-all-ivy-announced-following-historic-year.aspx)

This is quite an accomplishment and feather in Connor's cap. He's the youngest D-1 lacrosse coach in the country and in his first year as head coach on-field. He's coaching in the Ivy League, which this year has 5 teams in the top 10, and 6 in the top 12. Almost by definition, such a high-powered conference has several excellent coaches. Yet it was Connor who won Coach of the Year.

When Andy Noel appointed Connor Head Coach, I was cynical and thought this was yet another ploy to avoid an expensive national search. But I have to admit that even a broken clock is right twice a day. In this case, Andy Noel made a superb decision.

Kudos to Connor and kudos to Andy.

Kudos also to C.J., John, and Gavin.

Quote from: upprdeckthe big deal is can he get the recruits to keep it going more than 1 yr in a row.. we lose some pretty big pieces of the puzzle this year and we had very little depth.. some big shoes to fill next yr

Quote from: TrotskyI have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years.  I'm sure there have been poachers.

Quote from: upprdeckthere will be parking there.. Its also a short walk from east hill office building parking to get there.I would not be surprised if a better walk way gets created when more things take place out there. Or a connector from the recreation way walk way gets added too. East hill plaza has not much going on for cars to be parked there as well. they can probably figure out a way to  let some cars park there for events as cornell owns it.

Quote from: dbilmesConnor Buczek Ivy League Coach of the Year, and C.J. Kirst Rookie of the Year, Piatelli and Adler both named All-Ivy first team, with Adler an unanimous pick.
Complete list here. (https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/5/4/mens-lacrosse-major-awards-all-ivy-announced-following-historic-year.aspx)

Quote from: dbilmesGood story (https://usalaxmagazine.com/college/men/welcome-back-ivy-league-college-lacrosse-missed-you) about the resurgence of Ivy League lacrosse this spring after not playing last season.

Quote from: arugulaThe mystery to me is why Lacrosse missed essentially two seasons and bounces back better than before, while hockey, which missed really one season plus one post season, is dramatically worse.

Quote from: BearLoverDoes anyone have a sense for Cornell's odds of making the NCAAs with a loss tonight? I presume we are 100% in with a win.

Quote from: KenPWhere is the broadcast for tonight?  I do not see it on ESPN+

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Quote from: KenPWhere is the broadcast for tonight?  I do not see it on ESPN+

ESPNU showing it..

Quote from: ugarte14-11 Yale final. Cornell closed to 12-11 with about 5 minutes left but that was it. Was only following on livestats so I leave it to others to elaborate.

Quote from: TrotskyWhen is NC$$ selection?

Sunday evening, I believe. (https://www.ncaa.com/live-updates/lacrosse-men/d1/2022-ncaa-di-mens-lacrosse-championship-selection-show-date-time-how-watch)

Quote from: TrotskyI have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years.  I'm sure there have been poachers.

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Quote from: TrotskyI have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years.  I'm sure there have been poachers.

I think I've established my theory that the absolute last thing he likes to do is a coaching search. I can think of one time (Lax) where he's actually fired any coach. Usually coaches leave on their own, and he just promotes from within. (This can be fine, but I hold being skilled at coaching searches is a major function of the position.) Maybe he did an external coaching search for basketball? I think Schafer wanted to stay, especially early on with young kids, and the two times his contract was up, Noel just met the number he needed to on the paycheck to not have to do work.

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Quote from: TrotskyI have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years.  I'm sure there have been poachers.

I think I've established my theory that the absolute last thing he likes to do is a coaching search. I can think of one time (Lax) where he's actually fired any coach. Usually coaches leave on their own, and he just promotes from within. (This can be fine, but I hold being skilled at coaching searches is a major function of the position.) Maybe he did an external coaching search for basketball? I think Schafer wanted to stay, especially early on with young kids, and the two times his contract was up, Noel just met the number he needed to on the paycheck to not have to do work.

Quote from: CU77Root for Yale in tomorrow's Ivy final, Cornell will be #7 in RPI with a Yale win and #8 with a Penn win (Duke moves into #7 in that case).

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Quote from: TrotskyI have no idea whether Noel sucks but he has managed to keep Schafer at Cornell all these years.  I'm sure there have been poachers.

I think I've established my theory that the absolute last thing he likes to do is a coaching search. I can think of one time (Lax) where he's actually fired any coach. Usually coaches leave on their own, and he just promotes from within. (This can be fine, but I hold being skilled at coaching searches is a major function of the position.) Maybe he did an external coaching search for basketball? I think Schafer wanted to stay, especially early on with young kids, and the two times his contract was up, Noel just met the number he needed to on the paycheck to not have to do work.

Quote from: billhowardNCAA 2022 lacrosse tournament selection show: Sunday 5/8/22, 9 pm EDT, ESPNU. 18 teams selected


Wednesday 5/11 — 2 play-in games, winners meet the 1 (Maryland) and 2 seeds.

First round — Saturday/Sunday 5/4-15 at home schools of higher seed

Quarterfinal — Saturday 5/21 at Hofstra, Sunday 5/22 at Ohio Stadium (Columbus)

Semifinal — Saturday 5/28, East Hartford (Rentschler Field)

Final — Monday 5/30, 1 pm EDT

Quote from: CU77In and seeded! And no ACC team gets a seed!

Quote from: CU77Duke OUT! Notre Dame OUT! Harvard IN! Six Ivies!

Quote from: CU77Now let's not have a repeat of 2008 ...

Quote from: djk26This game has me concerned (like any game would.)  Ohio State was all we could handle earlier in the season, and that was with Blake.  Now no Blake and I am worried that will more than make up the difference.  I don't know if Ohio State has suffered any serious injuries since then.

Quote from: djk26This game has me concerned (like any game would.)  Ohio State was all we could handle earlier in the season, and that was with Blake.  Now no Blake and I am worried that will more than make up the difference.  I don't know if Ohio State has suffered any serious injuries since then.

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Quote from: djk26This game has me concerned (like any game would.)  Ohio State was all we could handle earlier in the season, and that was with Blake.  Now no Blake and I am worried that will more than make up the difference.  I don't know if Ohio State has suffered any serious injuries since then.

There were hurt feelings because Cornell's story does not refer to them as The Ohio State University. So they have added advantage.

If I read the bracket correctly, we would not play Maryland until the final game. So there is that. Cornell's path to the championship appears to be past:  

Round of 16 - TOSU
Quarterfinals - Georgetown (or Delaware, Robbie Morris, possibly Rich Strike)
Semifinals - winner from Princeton/BU Yale/St Joseph winner
Finals - Maryland most likely

I didn't see which bracket goes to Hofstra for the quarterfinals and which to TOSU stadium. Guessing Maryland side of the bracket gets Hofstra while Georgetown (and Cornell and Ohio State) side gets the Ohio location. Is that correct?

Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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Quote from: CU77Now let's not have a repeat of 2008 ...

2009 and Syracuse is so burned into my brain, I kind of forget how we got laid low in 2008.

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Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

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Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

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Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

ACC didn't have a tournament this year.

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Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

ACC didn't have a tournament this year.

Quote from: billhoward2009 and Syracuse is so burned into my brain

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Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

In no way am I a Notre Dame fan, but I think they should have been in. They ended the season with 6 wins in a row and won their conference tournament. That should have been enough but the caravan moves on.

ACC didn't have a tournament this year.

So much for that argument.  

Three of those final six games were against Syracuse (4-10 record) and Marquette (4-11).  ND had a bizarre schedule.  Six of twelve games against fellow ACC teams.  But there are only four ACC teams besides ND.  Three games against B1G...losing two (one to OSU) and beating only Michigan (7-8 record).  Two against Big East, beating Marquette and losing to Georgetown.  And none against Ivies.  Finished 0-4 against teams making NCAAs.

Beat only two teams with over .500 records:  UNC and Duke.  Signature wins (two) were over Duke.  And when the committee had to narrow six teams down to the last four at-large slots, Duke was the first to get dumped, having lost to Syracuse, Jacksonville and Loyola.  ND lost their NCAA bid on the field.

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Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

I agree that results on the field is all that matters. And whether those results come early in the season or later (starting out hot versus making a late run) shouldn't matter. But looking at these teams' full bodies of work purely from the perspective of on-field results, Duke was 7th in RPI, Notre Dame 11th. OSU is 14th and Harvard is 15th. I am more a hockey fan than a lax fan, but I know that in hockey people would be livid if Cornell were 7th in the Pairwise and got passed over for a 15th-ranked team that didn't make its conference tournament. What is the justification for totally ignoring RPI in lax? Smaller sample size of games, maybe—but why should the human eye be a better judge of this small sample?

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Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: billhowardThe 1987 Cornell team was good, made the title game, lost to Hopkins by a goal, the 1988 team was unseeded, made the final (and lost to Syracuse), finished 9-6. So there is potential and there's history of an underdog Cornell team making it through to Memorial Day.

Also, Rob Pannell '12 on Twitter, amazed that Notre Dame (and Duke) didn't make the show. https://twitter.com/RobPannell3/status/1523473196443648000?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

You pick the teams that earned it by whom they beat and to whom they lost.  Notre Dame might be the fifth best team...or fourth...or third, but their wins and losses on the field just didn't get it done.

I agree that results on the field is all that matters. And whether those results come early in the season or later (starting out hot versus making a late run) shouldn't matter. But looking at these teams' full bodies of work purely from the perspective of on-field results, Duke was 7th in RPI, Notre Dame 11th. OSU is 14th and Harvard is 15th. I am more a hockey fan than a lax fan, but I know that in hockey people would be livid if Cornell were 7th in the Pairwise and got passed over for a 15th-ranked team that didn't make its conference tournament. What is the justification for totally ignoring RPI in lax? Smaller sample size of games, maybe—but why should the human eye be a better judge of this small sample?

The fatal flaw in RPI, in my opinion, is it does not look at whom you beat and to whom you lost.  It looks at your overall won-lost record, the won-lost records of your opponents, and the records of their opponents.  A win over Georgetown and a loss to Syracuse has the same effect as a win over Syracuse and a loss to Georgetown.  Doesn't matter which games you won and which you lost, just the sum of wins and the sum of losses.

What RPI does provide is a reasonable, but not precise (especially with lacrosse's short schedules), framework for the committee to start a deeper dive into the won-lost records of those teams it decides are on the bubble.  And this, to its credit, is what the committee did this year.  That deep dive first exposed Duke:  mediocre wins, three bad losses.  Then, with Duke exposed, Notre Dame's two best wins...over Duke...were exposed.  Buh bye.  Maybe ND has terrific talent.  Didn't do enough with it.

Quote from: mike1960If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

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Quote from: mike1960If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

Of the domed stadium Cornell does not, may never have.

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Quote from: mike1960If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

Of the domed stadium Cornell does not, may never have.

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Quote from: mike1960If we keep winning, we don't see Maryland until the last game. This is real opportunity. They don't come around that often. I hope the guys are fired up through the roof.

Of the domed stadium Cornell does not, may never have.

Do you want a domed stadium or a lacrosse-only facility like Princeton's? Or a bubble over the football field like Harvard?  I can never keep your envious pipe dreams straight, bill.

Quote from: dbilmesCornell Daily Sun names Piatelli the Male Senior Athlete of the Year. (https://cornellsun.com/2022/05/09/the-suns-male-senior-athlete-of-the-year-lacrosses-john-piatelli/)

Quote from: billhowardNCAA first-round of 2022 tournament, #7 seed Cornell again hosts Ohio State. 2:30 pm, ESPNU.

Use this (i.e. reply to this) post/subject line, it's easier to scroll down and find the TOSU pregame, game and post-game observations.

Quote from: billhowardUse this (i.e. reply to this) post/subject line, it's easier to scroll down and find the TOSU pregame, game and post-game observations.

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Quote from: billhowardUse this (i.e. reply to this) post/subject line, it's easier to scroll down and find the TOSU pregame, game and post-game observations.

Is there a reason we can't just make another thread? It is the tournament, and this season-long thread is now on page 66 of my mobile browser. There are no hard and fast rules here, right?

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Quote from: billhowardUse this (i.e. reply to this) post/subject line, it's easier to scroll down and find the TOSU pregame, game and post-game observations.

Is there a reason we can't just make another thread? It is the tournament, and this season-long thread is now on page 66 of my mobile browser. There are no hard and fast rules here, right?

Quote from: Paul Schoellkopf House Men's Lacrosse Locker Room Renovation

DESCRIPTION OF PROJECT:
The intent of this project is to renovate the Men's Locker Room. Modifications, including demolition and installation:

Architectural: New paint/wall tile/ceilings in designated areas. Floor finishes. New toilet partitions. custom lockers, and custom storage cabinets.

Fire System: New sprinkler system in the film room. Increase fire protection supply line in designated areas.

Plumbing: New shower fixtures and supply line enclosures, hose bib on shower area, custom sink vanities, fixtures.

HVAC: New digital controls for the HVAC system, ductwork, diffusers, grilles in designated areas.

Electrical: New lighting, fire alarms, and power supply configurations in designated areas.ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION BUDGET:
$750,000 - $775,000

Quote from: Lacosse All Stars8. Connor Buczek and Cornell

Cornell is all Buczek has known as the D1 level. After finishing his playing career in Ithaca, Buczek worked his way up from volunteer assistant to replacing Peter Milliman after he left for Johns Hopkins in 2020.

I listened to a handful of interviews this season with the 28-year-old coach. He is impressive and led the Big Red to a share of the Ivy League and to being a finalist in the national championship game in his first full season.

Buczek is one of the reasons why the future's so bright in The Ivy League.

    BTL PODCAST: It was about as good as it gets in Connor Buczek's first season guiding @CornellLacrosse, leading the Big Red to the NCAA Championship game for the first time since 2009.

    Full interview: https://t.co/BACpXyUNa0 (https://omny.fm/shows/between-the-lines-1/cornell-lacrosse-head-coach-connor-buczek)

    — ESPN Ithaca (@ESPNIthaca) June 2, 2022

    Eldon Lindsay/Cornell Athletics pic.twitter.com/Hzi4Smcybz

   

   

Quote from: TrotskyIs Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

Quote from: TrotskyIs Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

Quote from: TrotskyIs Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

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Quote from: TrotskyIs Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

Set sights higher*: Connor Buczek is destined to be Cornell's athletic director 2030-2055. Bob Kane '34 had a run of thirty-some years, so it's possible, and Buczek should walk away before the time when a sixty-something athletic director comes to find students annoying. Bob Kane at the end railed against student government and how a bunch of 20-year-olds were affecting how you did your job. Except that's also your quarterback, your attackmers, shortstops and the midfielders, too.

Buczek also has the potential to make a gafillion dollars in the business world. He was one of two admits to the Johnson School who got in directly from undergrad years, meaning he was already savvy beyond his years. He probably has the savvy to invest well for the future and/or teammates on Wall Street can help him on investing leads.

*Assuming a coach's goal is to be athletic director. It's like assuming Walter LaFeber's goal, unrealized, was to be president of Cornell.

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Quote from: TrotskyIs Buczek setting up to be the lax Schafer?

I hope not. I hope Buczek can deliver NCAA titles.