http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-cancels-remaining-winter-and-spring-championships
And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
(I thought we needed a new thread?)
Quote from: BMachttp://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-cancels-remaining-winter-and-spring-championships
And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
(I thought we needed a new thread?)
Wow, that's truly making lemonade.
i enjoyed this season immensely. the kids played great hockey, i got to see them live with my family at the garden, they closed on a dominant weekend where they blew out the #2 team in the conference. hang a banner, guys.
i'm making peace with this.
https://twitter.com/amandamull/status/1238177080011096066
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: BMachttp://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-cancels-remaining-winter-and-spring-championships
And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
(I thought we needed a new thread?)
Wow, that's truly making lemonade.
Lemonade it is. Got to do a year in review thread anyway right?
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And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
(I thought we needed a new thread?)
Trotsky can probably easily look it up for Cornell, but this would surprise me. Before the ECAC tourney started in the early 60's, I would be surprised if they did not end the season with a win at least once.
RPI ended this year with 4 wins, and I knew that we ended 1984-5 championship year with only two due to a tie with Lake State in a 2-game, total goal series. It turns out that in 57-58, RPI also ended with 4 wins, 56-57 with 5 wins, and the 53-54 championship year with 6.
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And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
(I thought we needed a new thread?)
My freshmen year, 1993, we missed the ECAC playoffs and beat Dartmouth at home for our last game. And then there must have been some years where an ECAC consolation game win was our last game.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BMachttp://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-cancels-remaining-winter-and-spring-championships
And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
(I thought we needed a new thread?)
My freshmen year, 1993, we missed the ECAC playoffs and beat Dartmouth at home for our last game. And then there must have been some years where an ECAC consolation game win was our last game.
2008 for example, beat Colgate in Consy.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: BMachttp://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-cancels-remaining-winter-and-spring-championships
And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
(I thought we needed a new thread?)
My freshmen year, 1993, we missed the ECAC playoffs and beat Dartmouth at home for our last game. And then there must have been some years where an ECAC consolation game win was our last game.
1959-60. Cornell went 2-19-0. Won its first game of the year against Pennsylvania, lost 19 in a row, won its last game of the year against Colgate.
Found this tab open from a couple days ago. Forgot what it was, but this is there now. It felt appropriate.
i think i posted this once before. forgive me. grief.
Quote from: ugartei enjoyed this season immensely. the kids played great hockey, i got to see them live with my family at the garden, they closed on a dominant weekend where they blew out the #2 team in the conference. hang a banner, guys.
i'm making peace with this.
https://twitter.com/amandamull/status/1238177080011096066
In the future, we will look back on the decisions we made during this crisis with satisfaction that the actions we took helped control the impact. God, I hope I'm right about this.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: ugartei enjoyed this season immensely. the kids played great hockey, i got to see them live with my family at the garden, they closed on a dominant weekend where they blew out the #2 team in the conference. hang a banner, guys.
i'm making peace with this.
https://twitter.com/amandamull/status/1238177080011096066
In the future, we will look back on the decisions we made during this crisis with satisfaction that the actions we took helped control the impact. God, I hope I'm right about this.
I hope the pain of an elite team NOT winning the Nat'l Championship and NOT losing it on the ice will somehow subside by that time. Man, this just hurts.
I started this season predicting a Nat'l Championship for this team. Long before I had ever heard the word Coronavirus. Little did I know that Coronavirus would be the ultimate victor this season. UGH!!
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
Soooooo.........
Since the Rangers have no need for Barron for a playoff run now, is there ANY hope he comes back to take care of the unfinished business?
Quote from: toddloseSoooooo.........
Since the Rangers have no need for Barron for a playoff run now, is there ANY hope he comes back to take care of the unfinished business?
Absolutely not. But I never thought we would cuncel the szn so what do I know.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to think the opposite!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.
Quote from: BMachttp://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-cancels-remaining-winter-and-spring-championships
And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.
33rd time; 19th in the NC$$ era.
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Ok ok
"And for the 33rd time, the season ends in a win!"
Doesn't have the same ring.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.
1 Banner, 2 teams: #1 Men / #1 Women
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.
He's back on the checking line folks...
It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.
He's back on the checking line folks...
It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?
This was a Really Good Year. I'm okay with some sort of banner.
Can we just have a banner saying "WHYYYYYYY?!". We'll all know why.
Ya, not in favor of a pseudo-championship-banner. I just want our belt unification achievements to be respected by all.
Still looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.
Hope they stay there till next fall.
Quote from: Jim HylaStill looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.
Hope they stay there till next Spring.
Fixed.
I think it would be appropriate to have a banner for each team acknowledging that they had the highest winning percentage in men's and women's hockey. I think it's debatable whether or not the men should be considered national champions as they were not higher in KRACH or Pairwise. The top winning percentages are not debatable.
I don't like setting a precedent for the creation of a custom banner. Unaccomplished teams will find things they can hang a banner for just to have something in the rafters. No participation trophies please.
Quote from: KGR11I think it would be appropriate to have a banner for each team acknowledging that they had the highest winning percentage in men's and women's hockey. I think it's debatable whether or not the men should be considered national champions as they were not higher in KRACH or Pairwise. The top winning percentages are not debatable.
My TBRW senses are tingling.
Quote from: TimVI don't like setting a precedent for the creation of a custom banner. Unaccomplished teams will find things they can hang a banner for just to have something in the rafters. No participation trophies please.
+100
So now I just got another "C of Red tonight" email from coach Schafer.
It was completely blank, aside from his sig at the end.
So nice to know how smoothly things work there.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaStill looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.
Hope they stay there till next Spring.
Fixed.
Almost as comforting, in my grief, is the score of our last game of the season on the eLynah form.
For the first time in recent memory, we get to look at it all summer long and smile, but with a tear for what might have been.
Quote from: Jim HylaStill looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.
Hope they stay there till next fall spring.
Sorry, didn't notice Trotsky beat me to it.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaStill looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.
Hope they stay there till at least next Spring.
Fixed.
look if you're gonna fix it ...
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaStill looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.
Hope they stay there THROUGH next Spring.
Fixed.
look if you're gonna fix it ...
Next iteration would imply either nonstop dominance through the end of college hockey as we know it... or acknowledgement that we are already there.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.
He's back on the checking line folks...
It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?
One of the best years in the history of Cornell Hockey cut short due to no fault of the team. They could have won the ECAC, they could have won it all. Other programs can, and do, put up whatever banners they want. If you finish the season #1 in the country, you deserve to be recognized. This team is deserving of recognition and appreciation and a banner is one way of showing it. And one for the women's team too while we're at it.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.
He's back on the checking line folks...
It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?
One of the best years in the history of Cornell Hockey cut short due to no fault of the team. They could have won the ECAC, they could have won it all. Other programs can, and do, put up whatever banners they want. If you finish the season #1 in the country, you deserve to be recognized. This team is deserving of recognition and appreciation and a banner is one way of showing it. And one for the women's team too while we're at it.
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Here's Mike Schafer's season ending email:
QuoteHello Everyone
This past week has been stressful and emotional for everyone, and with the NCAA announcement to cancel the post-season tournament, our hockey team is not excluded. Yesterday, it was very difficult to speak to our team and watch young men cry as their chance of achieving their dreams had disappeared. In my 34 years of coaching, nothing has been more painful than yesterday's meeting. In sports, the season starts with an unknown. Everyone invests with all their heart and soul, without knowing what the end result will be. That result can hurt, due to the disappointing fact that there are so many uncontrollable factors in every season's journey. Despite this, our team is all about pursuing this emotionally taxing journey. This is what brings the excitement and passion to hockey and all sports. During the season, a player doesn't know if he is going to get in the line-up, be a top scorer, or be on the best ranked team in the nation. One thing that is important to our program is its culture. Our culture is to pursue that unknown together, as a team. We work extremely hard to pursue our goals. We don't worry about how our play is judged by others, based on wins and losses. Our players judge themselves upon how hard they prepared, and how hard they played. Even when a setback hits our program, we understand that the only option is to stick together as a team and get back to work, without fear of the unknown to begin another journey.
To our Lynah faithful, alumni, and every fan who has cheered for the Big Red- I am so glad that you had the opportunity to watch these young men play hockey this year. They are a special group that truly committed to getting better each day and were never worried about how people judged them. They worked to pursue a dream, without fear of failure. This team is a very close group who were selfless, and played with pride for each other, proud to wear Cornell University's colors, and proud to have the best fan base in the country made up of all of you. Working for many years with many different teams, you start to get a sense of which teams are destined to accomplish great things. This is one of those teams. They accomplished an Ivy League Championship, ECAC regular season Championship, a fourth consecutive NCAA bid, and a number one seed in the NCAA Tournament. We were feeling really good about entering the tournament healthy and playing with a passion and a hunger to win both the ECAC and the National Championship. Despite not being able to have this opportunity, I am very proud of what our program accomplished this season, and of the season as a whole.
I feel very fortunate and privileged to coach these young men. I am very proud of my team, our staff and to be coaching at Cornell University.
Thank you so much for being a part of our team's success this year and LET'S GO RED!
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069
As much as we all feel the pain of the unfinished season, it's got to be extremely tough for those who worked hard to accomplish what the team (and the women's team) did this season. I think Mike says it very well above. I'm proud to be a Big Red hockey fan and a Cornellian.
That's a genuinely great note by Mike. Bravo to him but more importantly to the team for a great season.
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Not sure they're the best representatives of what athletics should be. Certainly they don't represent sportsmanship and fair play.
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
If we're going to put a stupid banner up for this year (we shouldn't and hopefully won't) we HAVE TO put up a national championship banner for 1911 (http://cornellhockeywaft.weebly.com/home/1911-forgotten-perfection).
Quote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
Ivy Title banner. They're honored.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
Ivy Title banner. They're honored.
And ECAC regular season champs.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
Ivy Title banner. They're honored.
The implication is that "Ivy League Champions"--a title you can win as the 20th best team in the country--is too weak and too run-of-the-mill an honor for the season this team has had. The Pats' 16-0 banner is only embarrassing because they couldn't finish it off in the playoffs. We never got that chance. It is bizarre to me that some on this forum would prefer to act as though this season reached a real conclusion rather than honor the players whose season was cut short.
Quote from: BearLoverIt is bizarre to me that some on this forum would prefer to act as though this season reached a real conclusion rather than honor the players whose season was cut short.
::wank::
But to be honest I am all for burning one fan in effigy to honor the team. As long as we can vote.
Hint: this year it aint you.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverIt is bizarre to me that some on this forum would prefer to act as though this season reached a real conclusion rather than honor the players whose season was cut short.
::wank::
But to be honest I am all for burning one fan in effigy to honor the team. As long as we can vote.
Hint: this year it aint you.
Maybe if we did it as a sacrifice to the Hockey Gods a few weeks ago, it could have done some good.
Quote from: nshapiroMaybe if we did it as a sacrifice to the Hockey Gods a few weeks ago, it could have done some good.
A pandemic is a bit above the pay grade of the Hockey Gods.::panic::
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: nshapiroMaybe if we did it as a sacrifice to the Hockey Gods a few weeks ago, it could have done some good.
A pandemic is a bit above the pay grade of the Hockey Gods.::panic::
Apparently.::whistle::
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
This. The circumstances of this season were unique, and it's appropriate to commemorate the teams' great seasons without trying to invent a special title for it. Just a simple banner with the year and the men's and women's W-L-T records. It could hang at the end of the rink next to the Olympians banners.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
This. The circumstances of this season were unique, and it's appropriate to commemorate the teams' great seasons without trying to invent a special title for it. Just a simple banner with the year and the men's and women's W-L-T records. It could hang at the end of the rink next to the Olympians banners.
I'm usually against banners unless they are for legitimate honors, but I kind of like this idea.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: cuhockey93Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.
I'd like to think we're better than that.
I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.
He's back on the checking line folks...
It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?
One of the best years in the history of Cornell Hockey cut short due to no fault of the team. They could have won the ECAC, they could have won it all. Other programs can, and do, put up whatever banners they want. If you finish the season #1 in the country, you deserve to be recognized. This team is deserving of recognition and appreciation and a banner is one way of showing it. And one for the women's team too while we're at it.
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Ok, so that banner isn't really needed by the Pats
However, bad example. The analog to Cornell hanging a "best on the polls at the end of regular season" or even worse a " best winning percentage 2019-2020" would be a banner saying 16-0, best winning percentage in the NFL before they cancelled the playoffs (had playoffs been cancelled that year). That'd be a bullshit banner.
But at least that banner denotes an all-time NFL record and never matched feat- undefeated in the 16 game regular season.
It's not a participation trophy.
If we ran the table to an undefeated regular season, then I wouldn't object to a banner saying "undefeated season" because that shit is unique.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
All this banner nonsense has nothing to do with the team themselves. It's about your butthurt feelings from losing out on the chance to watch and possibly experience *your* dreams of celebrating a winner. You want a banner to make you feel better.
Next time someone bumps into one of the coaches or one of the players, ask them what they think and report back what you find out. I can't believe any of them want a banner.
P.s. while you're at it, how about agitating for banners or whatever for the wrestlers that had a great chance of hitting the All American mark.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
All this banner nonsense has nothing to do with the team themselves. It's about your butthurt feelings from losing out on the chance to watch and possibly experience *your* dreams of celebrating a winner. You want a banner to make you feel better.
Next time someone bumps into one of the coaches or one of the players, ask them what they think and report back what you find out. I can't believe any of them want a banner.
P.s. while you're at it, how about agitating for banners or whatever for the wrestlers that had a great chance of hitting the All American mark.
So much vitriol from you, man. You have no idea what we want, what the players want, what anyone other than you wants. The team just played one of the best seasons in program history and some of us think it should be commemorated in some way. I'd think many of the players and coaches would agree. And "butthurt"? Did the governor in your state shut down your elementary school yet?
We're all friends here, folks. Everybody take a little break.
Can't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?
Quote from: The RancorCan't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?
I wondered that, too. A friend pointed out that for graduated seniors, it may be difficult to get them on the ice if they're either the property of a pro team or off working at an actual job.
But even if that's the case, maybe they could swing something together. If you told me that we'd play the NCAAs in August but our seniors (and almost assuredly Barron) were gone, I'd take it.
I do know keeping ice frozen in the summer can be tough, and that's setting aside the question of whether things will have died down.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: The RancorCan't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?
I wondered that, too. A friend pointed out that for graduated seniors, it may be difficult to get them on the ice if they're either the property of a pro team or off working at an actual job.
But even if that's the case, maybe they could swing something together. If you told me that we'd play the NCAAs in August but our seniors (and almost assuredly Barron) were gone, I'd take it.
I do know keeping ice frozen in the summer can be tough, and that's setting aside the question of whether things will have died down.
Not to mention that re-creating the chemistry that has us on a nine game winning streak would be difficult. And, imagine the muscle-strains.... UGH!!
Quote from: rediceQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: The RancorCan't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?
I wondered that, too. A friend pointed out that for graduated seniors, it may be difficult to get them on the ice if they're either the property of a pro team or off working at an actual job.
But even if that's the case, maybe they could swing something together. If you told me that we'd play the NCAAs in August but our seniors (and almost assuredly Barron) were gone, I'd take it.
I do know keeping ice frozen in the summer can be tough, and that's setting aside the question of whether things will have died down.
Not to mention that re-creating the chemistry that has us on a nine game winning streak would be difficult. And, imagine the muscle-strains.... UGH!!
I mean, this team did start the season cold with a 10 game winning streak(12 if you count the exhibitions)
How about compiling all the performance statistics of top-rated teams accurately (to the third decimal place) and entering them into your favorite program to determine the winner of the D-1 men's and women's college ice hockey championships? Please share your results, and be willing to defend them!
A columnist in North Dakota agrees with the people wanting banners. Pretty well argued opinion
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/hockey/4997821-Commentary-How-should-UND-recognize-this-hockey-season-Hang-a-banner.-.-.-with-a-twist
Quote from: abmarksA columnist in North Dakota agrees with the people wanting banners. Pretty well argued opinion
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/hockey/4997821-Commentary-How-should-UND-recognize-this-hockey-season-Hang-a-banner.-.-.-with-a-twist
Same discussions going on for Kansas basketball.
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2020/mar/13/talk-of-kansas-basketball-hanging-a-2020/
while we're at it let's make it banner for the 1994 Montreal Expos
Grim reality: Reputable sources all predict a 1 to 1-1/2 year wait before an effective inoculation against coronavirus is available to the public. On the bright side, Cornellians would be able to make a reasonable claim their women's and men's ice hockey teams were both national champions for two consecutive years.
Quote from: osorojoGrim reality: Reputable sources all predict a 1 to 1-1/2 year wait before an effective inoculation against coronavirus is available to the public. On the bright side, Cornellians would be able to make a reasonable claim their women's and men's ice hockey teams were both national champions for two consecutive years.
How so? Already slowing down significantly in China, Singapore etc
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: osorojoGrim reality: Reputable sources all predict a 1 to 1-1/2 year wait before an effective inoculation against coronavirus is available to the public. On the bright side, Cornellians would be able to make a reasonable claim their women's and men's ice hockey teams were both national champions for two consecutive years.
How so? Already slowing down significantly in China, Singapore etc
to take the underlying point at face value (because it's actually interesting) i think his point is that it's slowing down significantly because of the behavioral changes in place, but some of those changes will have to stay in place for a while in the absence of a cure, a vaccine or proven herd immunity.
got to give credit where it's due. it's an interesting point and the joke isn't half bad either.
Quote from: The RancorCan't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?
What IF (and this is a BIG if), the NCAA and Ivy League were to schedule a preseason, 2020 NC tourney next fall among the 4 #1 seeds, including special status for players who graduated and/or went pro?
- Would you be in favor?
- Would you want a banner if we won?
- Would you want a banner if we qualified (which would be almost certain)?
This is partly wishful thinking and partly hypothetical to examine the issue of a banner.
And, this may be a bit more likely, what if the NCAA voted to award a shared NC to:
- The top team according to pwr?
- The top team according to polls?
- The top 4 teams at the end of the shortened season?
- The Top 16?
- All teams who were stilly playing in their conference championships (on the theory they still had a chance)?
Quote from: abmarksA columnist in North Dakota agrees with the people wanting banners. Pretty well argued opinion
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/hockey/4997821-Commentary-How-should-UND-recognize-this-hockey-season-Hang-a-banner.-.-.-with-a-twist
Quote from: original Grand Forks HeraldIn that sense, UND and Cornell (which is USCHO's No. 1) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
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Hang a banner. But make this one black.
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UND would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banner. It cannot say NCAA national champions, but it could be Pairwise national champions, Pairwise champions, No. 1-ranked, 26-5-4 or something along those lines.
It also would have to decide where to place it. It could be permanently at the end of the green or white banners -- never going between them even when UND raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on its own.
Quote from: edited Grand Forks HeraldIn that sense, UND and Cornell's men's and women's teams (which are USCHO's & USA Today's No. 1's) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
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Hang banners. But make them black.
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Cornell would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banners. They cannot say NCAA national champions, but they both could say "#1 National USCHO & USA Today Polls" or something along these lines, and the women's could also say whatever UND's says about Pairwise.
It also would have to decide where to place them. It could be permanently at the end of the red or white banners -- never going between them even when Cornell raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on their own.
I'm on board with this.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: abmarksA columnist in North Dakota agrees with the people wanting banners. Pretty well argued opinion
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/hockey/4997821-Commentary-How-should-UND-recognize-this-hockey-season-Hang-a-banner.-.-.-with-a-twist
Quote from: original Grand Forks HeraldIn that sense, UND and Cornell (which is USCHO's No. 1) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
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Hang a banner. But make this one black.
...
UND would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banner. It cannot say NCAA national champions, but it could be Pairwise national champions, Pairwise champions, No. 1-ranked, 26-5-4 or something along those lines.
It also would have to decide where to place it. It could be permanently at the end of the green or white banners -- never going between them even when UND raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on its own.
Quote from: edited Grand Forks HeraldIn that sense, UND and Cornell's men's and women's teams (which are USCHO's & USA Today's No. 1's) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
...
Hang banners. But make them black.
...
Cornell would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banners. They cannot say NCAA national champions, but they both could say "#1 National USCHO & USA Today Polls" or something along these lines, and the women's could also say whatever UND's says about Pairwise.
It also would have to decide where to place them. It could be permanently at the end of the red or white banners -- never going between them even when Cornell raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on their own.
I'm on board with this.
Yeah I mean it will never be a full NC, but it feels wrong to be...nothing?
And I don't think it's like the Pats 16-0 sad banner. No one cares in the NFL what you do in the regular season, it's all about the playoffs and winning the SB; always will be. So trying to take credit for an RS record is like taking credit for best attendance or cleanest seats. But in a year like this without a postseason, top of the polls is the best you could do; it's gotta be worth SOMETHING.
hang a banner that says nothing but 2020* for all i care but this season was great until it was short-circuited
Quote from: ugartehang a banner that says nothing but 2020* for all i care but this season was great until it was short-circuited
+1 I like it!
This was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:
1.000 1970 29-0-0
.948 1967 27-1-1
.931 1969 27-2-0
.931 1968 27-2-0
.862 2020 23-2-4
.847 2003 30-5-1
.815 1971 22-5-0
.815 1966 22-5-0
.814 2005 27-5-3
.793 1972 23-6-0
.788 2018 25-6-2
Sorry, but I just have to share this tweet, and this thread is as good a place as any.
(P.S. This team was amazing, and this season was amazing. I was devastated with each new announcement last week, and I am still barely beginning to recover - I can only imagine how the team and coaches feel.)
https://twitter.com/BeeeejEsq/status/1238206581415620609
I am going to undertake a small painting project in our home and begin a fun-filled day of watching the paint dry. I will consider making a live feed of this event available to ESPN+ for the right price.
Quote from: TrotskyThis was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:
1.000 1970 29-0-0
.948 1967 27-1-1
.931 1969 27-2-0
.931 1968 27-2-0
.862 2020 23-2-4
.847 2003 30-5-1
.815 1971 22-5-0
.815 1966 22-5-0
.814 2005 27-5-3
.793 1972 23-6-0
.788 2018 25-6-2
Aw for piss sakes, that just makes it worse.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: The RancorCan't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?
What IF (and this is a BIG if), the NCAA and Ivy League were to schedule a preseason, 2020 NC tourney next fall among the 4 #1 seeds, including special status for players who graduated and/or went pro?
- Would you be in favor?
- Would you want a banner if we won?
- Would you want a banner if we qualified (which would be almost certain)?
This is partly wishful thinking and partly hypothetical to examine the issue of a banner.
And, this may be a bit more likely, what if the NCAA voted to award a shared NC to:
- The top team according to pwr?
- The top team according to polls?
- The top 4 teams at the end of the shortened season?
- The Top 16?
- All teams who were stilly playing in their conference championships (on the theory they still had a chance)?
None of the above. The dream is dead. Let it rest in peace.
Quote from: TrotskyThis was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:
1.000 1970 29-0-0
.948 1967 27-1-1
.931 1969 27-2-0
.931 1968 27-2-0
.862 2020 23-2-4
.847 2003 30-5-1
.815 1971 22-5-0
.815 1966 22-5-0
.814 2005 27-5-3
.793 1972 23-6-0
.788 2018 25-6-2
I'm glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year's (UND) team had the school's fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our
current recent .862 is higher than their highest year's .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year's team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND's. This year's season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it's final winning percentage would have considerably higher.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyThis was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:
1.000 1970 29-0-0
.948 1967 27-1-1
.931 1969 27-2-0
.931 1968 27-2-0
.862 2020 23-2-4
.847 2003 30-5-1
.815 1971 22-5-0
.815 1966 22-5-0
.814 2005 27-5-3
.793 1972 23-6-0
.788 2018 25-6-2
I'm glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year's (UND) team had the school's fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year's .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year's team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND's. This year's season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it's final winning percentage would have considerably higher.
As an RPI fan, I know that I am treading on thin ice whenever I disagree with someone here. If Cornell were to have won the NCAA championship after going undefeated in the ECAC playoffs, they would have a 31-2-4 record for a .892 winning percentage, and one could argue that .892 is considerably higher than the current .862. However, if they won everything until the final game, they would have a 30-3-4 record for a .865 winning percentage which is only marginally better than .862. If they did anything less than that, their percentage would be lower. E.g., a semifinal loss would result in a 29-3-4 record with a .861 percentage, very slightly lower. (A National Championship with a loss in the three-game second round of the ECAC tourney would be 31-3-4 record with a .868 which is also only slightly better than the current record.)
None of this was meant to detract from Cornell's performance this season.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyThis was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:
1.000 1970 29-0-0
.948 1967 27-1-1
.931 1969 27-2-0
.931 1968 27-2-0
.862 2020 23-2-4
.847 2003 30-5-1
.815 1971 22-5-0
.815 1966 22-5-0
.814 2005 27-5-3
.793 1972 23-6-0
.788 2018 25-6-2
I'm glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year's (UND) team had the school's fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year's .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year's team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND's. This year's season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it's final winning percentage would have considerably higher.
As an RPI fan, I know that I am treading on thin ice whenever I disagree with someone here. If Cornell were to have won the NCAA championship after going undefeated in the ECAC playoffs, they would have a 31-2-4 record for a .892 winning percentage, and one could argue that .892 is considerably higher than the current .862. However, if they won everything until the final game, they would have a 30-3-4 record for a .865 winning percentage which is only marginally better than .862. If they did anything less than that, their percentage would be lower. E.g., a semifinal loss would result in a 29-3-4 record with a .861 percentage, very slightly lower. (A National Championship with a loss in the three-game second round of the ECAC tourney would be 31-3-4 record with a .868 which is also only slightly better than the current record.)
None of this was meant to detract from Cornell's performance this season.
It's a testament to what a great record they had this year that even one loss in the playoffs would, under most circumstances, have had a good chance of lowering the overall winning percentage.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyThis was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:
1.000 1970 29-0-0
.948 1967 27-1-1
.931 1969 27-2-0
.931 1968 27-2-0
.862 2020 23-2-4
.847 2003 30-5-1
.815 1971 22-5-0
.815 1966 22-5-0
.814 2005 27-5-3
.793 1972 23-6-0
.788 2018 25-6-2
I'm glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year's (UND) team had the school's fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year's .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year's team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND's. This year's season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it's final winning percentage would have considerably higher.
As an RPI fan, I know that I am treading on thin ice whenever I disagree with someone here. If Cornell were to have won the NCAA championship after going undefeated in the ECAC playoffs, they would have a 31-2-4 record for a .892 winning percentage, and one could argue that .892 is considerably higher than the current .862. However, if they won everything until the final game, they would have a 30-3-4 record for a .865 winning percentage which is only marginally better than .862. If they did anything less than that, their percentage would be lower. E.g., a semifinal loss would result in a 29-3-4 record with a .861 percentage, very slightly lower. (A National Championship with a loss in the three-game second round of the ECAC tourney would be 31-3-4 record with a .868 which is also only slightly better than the current record.)
None of this was meant to detract from Cornell's performance this season.
how dare you, sir
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyThis was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:
1.000 1970 29-0-0
.948 1967 27-1-1
.931 1969 27-2-0
.931 1968 27-2-0
.862 2020 23-2-4
.847 2003 30-5-1
.815 1971 22-5-0
.815 1966 22-5-0
.814 2005 27-5-3
.793 1972 23-6-0
.788 2018 25-6-2
I'm glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year's (UND) team had the school's fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year's .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year's team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND's. This year's season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it's final winning percentage would have considerably higher.
As an RPI fan, I know that I am treading on thin ice whenever I disagree with someone here. If Cornell were to have won the NCAA championship after going undefeated in the ECAC playoffs, they would have a 31-2-4 record for a .892 winning percentage, and one could argue that .892 is considerably higher than the current .862. However, if they won everything until the final game, they would have a 30-3-4 record for a .865 winning percentage which is only marginally better than .862. If they did anything less than that, their percentage would be lower. E.g., a semifinal loss would result in a 29-3-4 record with a .861 percentage, very slightly lower. (A National Championship with a loss in the three-game second round of the ECAC tourney would be 31-3-4 record with a .868 which is also only slightly better than the current record.)
None of this was meant to detract from Cornell's performance this season.
how dare you, sir
It was easy, especially since the ice is probably getting thin in most rinks now. :-D
From a USA Today article this morning:
"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports' governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men's basketball......"
Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?
Quote from: rediceFrom a USA Today article this morning:
"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports' governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men's basketball......"
Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?
That would be good and fair. But the more cutthroat part of me worries it would help a lot of opposing teams more. Kaldis was absolutely crucial to this team. Malott was very good. Bauld played an important role. But those are our only seniors, compared to other teams that may have more.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: rediceFrom a USA Today article this morning:
"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports' governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men's basketball......"
Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?
That would be good and fair. But the more cutthroat part of me worries it would help a lot of opposing teams more. Kaldis was absolutely crucial to this team. Malott was very good. Bauld played an important role. But those are our only seniors, compared to other teams that may have more.
You may be right. But I was already thinking that despite our losses, next year's team should be as good or better than this year's.
The possibility of extending eligibility also raises an interesting question. According to BRPH (https://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/), we have five players coming in next fall. If any of this year's seniors or juniors (I'm looking at you, Morgan Barron) decide to stay around to finish unfinished business, would Schafer hold up some of the incoming 2020's?
any senior that can sign a pro contract is gone regardless of what the ncaa decides. this will affect ecac hockey in very strange ways. we're not losing players to the nba but an extra year would be very helpful to the teams with seniors who are like luke perry on 90210.
Quote from: SwampyThe possibility of extending eligibility also raises an interesting question. According to BRPH (https://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/), we have five players coming in next fall. If any of this year's seniors or juniors (I'm looking at you, Morgan Barron) decide to stay around to finish unfinished business, would Schafer hold up some of the incoming 2020's?
They might not clear US Immigration until 2021.
we gonna mess with the whole system because a few schools didnt get to play for championship? do the 7-8th best teams from the 70s get an extra too?
spring sports are far different than winter sports.
Here's a thought about players jumping early to the pros: One of the drivers was to get a pro contract for the remaining part of the current season. With the NHL and AHL on "hiatus" and not even knowing of there will be a remaining season, how likely will they be to sign players right now?
So I expect we're probably not going to hear a lot about player signings for a while.
Quote from: rediceFrom a USA Today article this morning:
"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports' governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men's basketball......"
Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?
I heard an intelligent conversation about this this morning on XM with of all people Rand Pecknold. He set a new record by managing not to be a prick for an entire 10-minute interview (in fact the radio personality dude was a much bigger asshole) and spoke to the problem of the incoming freshmen.
Let it go. They had a long, long season. It sucks but act of god (exacerbated by morons).
I'm trying to stay off most social media and even traditional news outlet these days. It's nice to come here and get some escape.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Here's a thought about players jumping early to the pros: One of the drivers was to get a pro contract for the remaining part of the current season. With the NHL and AHL on "hiatus" and not even knowing of there will be a remaining season, how likely will they be to sign players right now?
So I expect we're probably not going to hear a lot about player signings for a while.
I've been wondering too. Does this give a chance for certain guys to go through another rookie camp and then decide whether to stay or go? Or do you have to be a draftee?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: rediceFrom a USA Today article this morning:
"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports' governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men's basketball......"
Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?
I heard an intelligent conversation about this this morning on XM with of all people Rand Pecknold. He set a new record by managing not to be a prick for an entire 10-minute interview (in fact the radio personality dude was a much bigger asshole) and spoke to the problem of the incoming freshmen.
Let it go. They had a long, long season. It sucks but act of god (exacerbated by morons).
I think it depends whether we invoke the mid-season medical redshirt precedent or the Duke Lacrosse precedent.
Quote from: TrotskyIt sucks but act of god (exacerbated by morons).
Translate this to Latin and you could etch this over the entrance to any country's capitol building, university administration archway, school of refereeing, military academy, or tech startup.
ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:
https://apple.news/AUEmMUhZfTx2hSQvDmP6xlQ
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyIt sucks but act of god (exacerbated by morons).
Translate this to Latin and you could etch this over the entrance to any country's capitol building, university administration archway, school of refereeing, military academy, or tech startup.
Sorbet nisi per actum dei insulsi exasperetur.
mmmm sorbet
Quote from: JasonN95ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:
https://apple.news/AUEmMUhZfTx2hSQvDmP6xlQ
red helmets at home?
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: JasonN95ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:
https://apple.news/AUEmMUhZfTx2hSQvDmP6xlQ
red helmets at home?
IIRC, red helmesa in NCAA regional final last year. Bad omen.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: The RancorQuote from: JasonN95ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:
https://apple.news/AUEmMUhZfTx2hSQvDmP6xlQ
red helmets at home?
IIRC, red helmesa in NCAA regional final last year. Bad omen.
The photo is not Lynah so I think you're right. (Though wasn't there a short stretch in a recent season when they did wear red helmets at home?)
Quote from: WederQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: The RancorQuote from: JasonN95ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:
https://apple.news/AUEmMUhZfTx2hSQvDmP6xlQ
red helmets at home?
IIRC, red helmesa in NCAA regional final last year. Bad omen.
The photo is not Lynah so I think you're right. (Though wasn't there a short stretch in a recent season when they did wear red helmets at home?)
I think that was the NCAA regional game against BU a couple years ago
Quote from: underskillQuote from: WederQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: The RancorQuote from: JasonN95ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:
https://apple.news/AUEmMUhZfTx2hSQvDmP6xlQ
red helmets at home?
IIRC, red helmesa in NCAA regional final last year. Bad omen.
The photo is not Lynah so I think you're right. (Though wasn't there a short stretch in a recent season when they did wear red helmets at home?)
I think that was the NCAA regional game against BU a couple years ago
Could be. Same bad omen. Was one of the two. I remember being puzzled at the time.
Edit: Just checked video of last year's NCAA regional final. White sweaters with red helmets. Ugh.
Quote from: WederThe photo is not Lynah so I think you're right. (Though wasn't there a short stretch in a recent season when they did wear red helmets at home?)
Jan 2017. The weekend where we honored the 1967 team and also lost to both Dartmouth and Harvard. They abandoned it for the rest of the regular season after that, I think.
Memorable for me, because I fractured my femur that Sunday. Great weekend.
Shout out to the Cornell men's and women's team on ESPN tv:
https://es.pn/2J1FI60
Local TV news piece on on the men's and women's seasons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynn72qmvVV8
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
All this banner nonsense has nothing to do with the team themselves. It's about your butthurt feelings from losing out on the chance to watch and possibly experience *your* dreams of celebrating a winner. You want a banner to make you feel better.
Next time someone bumps into one of the coaches or one of the players, ask them what they think and report back what you find out. I can't believe any of them want a banner.
P.s. while you're at it, how about agitating for banners or whatever for the wrestlers that had a great chance of hitting the All American mark.
So much vitriol from you, man. You have no idea what we want, what the players want, what anyone other than you wants. The team just played one of the best seasons in program history and some of us think it should be commemorated in some way. I'd think many of the players and coaches would agree. And "butthurt"? Did the governor in your state shut down your elementary school yet?
Hmmm. Looks like I git it right. (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/03/mens-hockey-will-start-2020-21-season-against-north-dakota-face-yale-at-msg-schafer-86-says/)
"Wearing a 2020 Detroit Frozen Four sweater — "this is where we should be right now," Schafer said — the coach put fans' calls to hang a national championship banner at Lynah Rink to rest on Thursday.
"That would cheapen it," Schafer said. "It's not a national championship. ... We'll honor this group of guys somehow inside Lynah Rink."
Again, just have one saying "2020". People can make of it what they want; it can even go beyond hockey, and just be a memorial to the outbreak too.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: abmarksQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteMy honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.
Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.
It's too good a year to not be honored at all.
All this banner nonsense has nothing to do with the team themselves. It's about your butthurt feelings from losing out on the chance to watch and possibly experience *your* dreams of celebrating a winner. You want a banner to make you feel better.
Next time someone bumps into one of the coaches or one of the players, ask them what they think and report back what you find out. I can't believe any of them want a banner.
P.s. while you're at it, how about agitating for banners or whatever for the wrestlers that had a great chance of hitting the All American mark.
So much vitriol from you, man. You have no idea what we want, what the players want, what anyone other than you wants. The team just played one of the best seasons in program history and some of us think it should be commemorated in some way. I'd think many of the players and coaches would agree. And "butthurt"? Did the governor in your state shut down your elementary school yet?
Hmmm. Looks like I git it right. (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/03/mens-hockey-will-start-2020-21-season-against-north-dakota-face-yale-at-msg-schafer-86-says/)
"Wearing a 2020 Detroit Frozen Four sweater — "this is where we should be right now," Schafer said — the coach put fans' calls to hang a national championship banner at Lynah Rink to rest on Thursday.
"That would cheapen it," Schafer said. "It's not a national championship. ... We'll honor this group of guys somehow inside Lynah Rink."
Huh. You posted the entire last section of the article but not the title to the section: "No, Cornell isn't going to hang a
national championship banner."
Nor did you closely read the text of that section: "the coach put fans' calls to hang a
national championship banner at Lynah Rink to rest...'It's not a
national championship...
We'll honor this group of guys somehow inside Lynah Rink.'"
Did I say anything about hanging a "national championship banner"? Nope. I said some banner should be raised to commemorate this year's team. Schafer seems to agree, given that he said the team will be honored inside Lynah.
The soul of sports is the pursuit of excellence. The 19-20 C.U. Men's Hockey Team pursued excellence and damn near caught it. Be happy.
Quote from: osorojoThe soul of sports is the pursuit of excellence.
So you hate Bill James statistical analysis but you go all wobbly kneed for mawkish Roger Kahn sentimentality?
You're not a maverick truth teller. You're just old.
The soul of sports is the soul of rock and roll:
1) showing off to get laid
2) beats workin' at Sears
I dislike name dropping [see above], costumes, cute demonstrations at hockey games, and lengthy postmortems of hockey games -especially those involving long columns of numbers and blizzards of decimal points. I get a kick out of watching athletic skill, winning strategies, persistence, resilience, and teamwork. Booklets of page upon page of numerical game exegesis do not interest me in the least and always make me suspicious the author is showing off - but I realize fans go to hockey games or write about them for different reasons. Maybe all those numbers are an ingredient in some sort of mammalian mating ritual.
Quote from: osorojoI dislike name dropping [see above], costumes, cute demonstrations at hockey games, and lengthy postmortems of hockey games -especially those involving long columns of numbers and blizzards of decimal points. I get a kick out of watching athletic skill, winning strategies, persistence, resilience, and teamwork. Booklets of page upon page of numerical game exegesis do not interest me in the least and always make me suspicious the author is showing off - but I realize fans go to hockey games or write about them for different reasons. Maybe all those numbers are an ingredient in some sort of mammalian mating ritual.
you're on a forum you ridiculous phony. how is this schtick still interesting for you?
Urgate - I suspect this 'shtick' -"What makes Cornell hockey interesting to you?" interests me for many of the same reasons it interests you - except for the regrettable ad-hominem.
Today we would have all been in Detriot winning our 3rd title. We will back. Oh yes, we will. ::rock::
Quote from: French RageToday we would have all been in Detriot winning our 3rd title. We will back. Oh yes, we will. ::rock::
+1
Quote from: French RageToday we would have all been in Detroit winning our 3rd title. We will back. Oh yes, we will. ::rock::
+1
Quote from: French RageToday we would have all been in Detriot winning our 3rd title. We will back. Oh yes, we will. ::rock::
I can drive to Pittsburgh anyway.
This is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
Quote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
I like the one of Galajda.
On Ben T's first (or maybe second) he did a little two-skate jump in the air like a little kid. I loved it.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
That whole sequence was amazing. His teammates almost killed him. The goal of the year for pure joy.
TBRW will do a Goal of the Year Award and a Save of the Year Award next year of somebody video savvy can index nominations during the year.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
That whole sequence was amazing. His teammates almost killed him. The goal of the year for pure joy.
Clip?
Quote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
That whole sequence was amazing. His teammates almost killed him. The goal of the year for pure joy.
Clip?
It may have been noted on the game thread, otherwise you would need to go back to the archived stream.
That's when we learned that his teammates
really like him.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
That whole sequence was amazing. His teammates almost killed him. The goal of the year for pure joy.
Clip?
[EDIT] You can see the goal at 6:55 in the Cornell Season Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBK6dL-W7_s) video clip posted elsewhere.
Quote from: KenPQuote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
That whole sequence was amazing. His teammates almost killed him. The goal of the year for pure joy.
Clip?
[EDIT] You can see the goal at 6:55 in the Cornell Season Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBK6dL-W7_s) video clip posted elsewhere.
Nice goal, but that music makes it unwatchable.
Quote from: KenPQuote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
That whole sequence was amazing. His teammates almost killed him. The goal of the year for pure joy.
Clip?
[EDIT] You can see the goal at 6:55 in the Cornell Season Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBK6dL-W7_s) video clip posted elsewhere.
Watching that again just now I enjoyed noticing that Barron initially heads towards Tupker, but then almost instantly realizes it's Tupker's first goal and cuts back to go retrieve the puck.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: KenPQuote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageQuote from: WederThis is a nice gallery of both teams' seasons (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/13/the-2019-20-cornell-hockey-season-in-photos/). The Sun has some really good photographers right now.
That Tupker one is amazing.
That whole sequence was amazing. His teammates almost killed him. The goal of the year for pure joy.
Clip?
[EDIT] You can see the goal at 6:55 in the Cornell Season Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBK6dL-W7_s) video clip posted elsewhere.
Watching that again just now I enjoyed noticing that Barron initially heads towards Tupker, but then almost instantly realizes it's Tupker's first goal and cuts back to go retrieve the puck.
It sucks that ESPN+ has taken down almost all of the games. I thought I might be able to get a longer version of this goal and all I could find was this bit of gold. (https://youtu.be/JinoV9RRSNE) I hope the athletic department is busy during this time of working from home.
Making room for all that new content.. wait..
Quote from: upprdeckMaking room for all that new content.. wait..
Well, we all want to watch Belarusian soccer, don't we?
Anyone? Bueller?
I suspect there are some Eastern European sports we would not want to watch. Bear-baiting and baby cage wrestling come to mind.
My people have many fine attributes but we are not aesthetically subtle.
Quote from: TrotskyI suspect there are some Eastern European sports we would not want to watch. Bear-baiting and baby cage wrestling come to mind.
My people have many fine attributes but we are not aesthetically subtle.
You are not big fan of buzkashi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi)? Like hockey, only with goat, not puck.
Quote from: ACMQuote from: TrotskyI suspect there are some Eastern European sports we would not want to watch. Bear-baiting and baby cage wrestling come to mind.
My people have many fine attributes but we are not aesthetically subtle.
You are not big fan of buzkashi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi)? Like hockey, only with goat, not puck.
That's a bit farther east than my scope.
Quote from: ACMQuote from: TrotskyI suspect there are some Eastern European sports we would not want to watch. Bear-baiting and baby cage wrestling come to mind.
My people have many fine attributes but we are not aesthetically subtle.
You are not big fan of buzkashi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi)? Like hockey, only with goat, not puck.
N-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h
betting russian tennis is keeping me sane
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: ACMQuote from: TrotskyI suspect there are some Eastern European sports we would not want to watch. Bear-baiting and baby cage wrestling come to mind.
My people have many fine attributes but we are not aesthetically subtle.
You are not big fan of buzkashi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi)? Like hockey, only with goat, not puck.
N-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h
Good lord, we are an eclectic bunch, aren't we?
I finally found the perfect item to honor the 2020 playoff season.
Quote from: rediceI finally found the perfect item to honor the 2020 playoff season.
They should make a corona patch at that cool Placid sweater place.
This morning while dss28 and I were getting our morning walk in at Commodore Barry Park, we noted that the ballfield had recently been mowed, but not all of it - the center third or so had not been done. Twenty minutes later, a guy drove onto the ballfield inside a large industrial mower and started making a circuit to finish the job. Fighting back tears, I half-heartedly chanted, "You're not Dave!"
I really &*%>ing miss hockey.
+1
There's something wrong with me. I don't miss sports at all. It's like a spell's been broken.
I'm sure I'll be back whenever Cornell hockey returns (October probably, October 2021 hopefully) but I gotta say, and this is a big surprise, I don't miss sports one bit.
This could just be the relief of a Mets fan not having to suffer.
Quote from: TrotskyThere's something wrong with me. I don't miss sports at all. It's like a spell's been broken.
I'm sure I'll be back whenever Cornell hockey returns (October probably, October 2021 hopefully) but I gotta say, and this is a big surprise, I don't miss sports one bit.
This could just be the relief of a Mets fan not having to suffer.
But this was gonna be our year!!!
That stupid, irrational optimism is in reference to the Mets. My Cornell hockey optimism is reasonable and measured.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: TrotskyThere's something wrong with me. I don't miss sports at all. It's like a spell's been broken.
I'm sure I'll be back whenever Cornell hockey returns (October probably, October 2021 hopefully) but I gotta say, and this is a big surprise, I don't miss sports one bit.
This could just be the relief of a Mets fan not having to suffer.
But this was gonna be our year!!!
This year had already ended when Thor tore his ulnar inevitable ligament. We're not missing anything.
Quote from: BeeeejThis morning while dss28 and I were getting our morning walk in at Commodore Barry Park, we noted that the ballfield had recently been mowed, but not all of it - the center third or so had not been done. Twenty minutes later, a guy drove onto the ballfield inside a large industrial mower and started making a circuit to finish the job. Fighting back tears, I half-heartedly chanted, "You're not Dave!"
I really &*%>ing miss hockey.
And this morning as I passed a woman on her riding mower, I found myself thinking "You're not Dave!"
You suck, Beeeej. ::bang::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: BeeeejThis morning while dss28 and I were getting our morning walk in at Commodore Barry Park, we noted that the ballfield had recently been mowed, but not all of it - the center third or so had not been done. Twenty minutes later, a guy drove onto the ballfield inside a large industrial mower and started making a circuit to finish the job. Fighting back tears, I half-heartedly chanted, "You're not Dave!"
I really &*%>ing miss hockey.
And this morning as I passed a woman on her riding mower, I found myself thinking "You're not Dave!"
You suck, Beeeej. ::bang::
Well, my work is done here. ::innocent::
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: BeeeejThis morning while dss28 and I were getting our morning walk in at Commodore Barry Park, we noted that the ballfield had recently been mowed, but not all of it - the center third or so had not been done. Twenty minutes later, a guy drove onto the ballfield inside a large industrial mower and started making a circuit to finish the job. Fighting back tears, I half-heartedly chanted, "You're not Dave!"
I really &*%>ing miss hockey.
And this morning as I passed a woman on her riding mower, I found myself thinking "You're not Dave!"
You suck, Beeeej. ::bang::
Well, my work is done here. ::innocent::
If only.
I've gotta plead ignorance to the "You're not Dave" cheer - assuming it's a zamboni reference. Can someone fill me in?
Quote from: Chris H82I've gotta plead ignorance to the "You're not Dave" cheer - assuming it's a zamboni reference. Can someone fill me in?
The Lynah Faithful typically greets the ice-resurfacer during his first lap during intermissions by screaming "ZAAAAAAAAM----BONI!!!" as it passed by, followed by a chant of the driver's name: "DAVE! (https://www.ithacajournal.com/story/sports/2017/10/03/zamboni-dave-cleans-cornell-hockey-ice-costume/707460001/) DAVE! (https://cornellsun.com/2012/03/12/dave-nulle-lynahs-favorite-character/) DAVE! (http://cornellalumnimagazine.com/frozen-asset/) DAVE! (https://cornellsun.com/2006/11/01/david-nulle-lynah-legend/)" At road games, the Cornell section would do the same, but follow with a derisive (but good-natured) "YOU'RE NOT DAVE! YOU'RE NOT DAVE!" chant at the arena's driver. I'm pretty sure "You're not Dave" also happens when there is a substitute driver at Lynah.
There was a time when the back of the Olympia machine had the first names of the rink staff painted on it, so after it passed by, the chant was reading it: "GENE, PHIL, DAVE, ART!"
Quote from: RichHThere was a time when the back of the Olympia machine had the first names of the rink staff painted on it, so after it passed by, the chant was reading it: "GENE, PHIL, DAVE, ART!"
When? I totally missed this.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHThere was a time when the back of the Olympia machine had the first names of the rink staff painted on it, so after it passed by, the chant was reading it: "GENE, PHIL, DAVE, ART!"
When? I totally missed this.
I don't know. Probably in the 1900s.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHThere was a time when the back of the Olympia machine had the first names of the rink staff painted on it, so after it passed by, the chant was reading it: "GENE, PHIL, DAVE, ART!"
When? I totally missed this.
I don't know. Probably in the 1900s.
I have that decade covered.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHThere was a time when the back of the Olympia machine had the first names of the rink staff painted on it, so after it passed by, the chant was reading it: "GENE, PHIL, DAVE, ART!"
When? I totally missed this.
I don't know. Probably in the 1900s.
I have that decade covered.
This chant was late 90s
interesting, talked with some people who were there with us and none of us recall it..
I think it might have been just the pep band (plus a few others in Section A) that did that chant?
Quote from: upprdeckinteresting, talked with some people who were there with us and none of us recall it..
Stoners
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckinteresting, talked with some people who were there with us and none of us recall it..
Stoners
If you can remember the 90's you weren't there? ::woot::
Quote from: WederI think it might have been just the pep band (plus a few others in Section A) that did that chant?
Hah, I forgot about that chant. I think it was mainly from section A. My memory is the band did the GENE! PHIL! DAVE! ART! thing and then did DAVE! DAVE! DAVE! DAVE! whenever he was driving. He used to only work one of the nights each weekend so "YOU'RE NOT DAVE" wasn't really a thing at that point, at least not in Lynah.
I'm assuming Dave is no longer the game night driver. I remember talking to him many years ago (early 00s, probably) and he was saying that he was doing as little of the driving/resurfacing work as possible because of the physical toll it takes, both in terms of the driving/maintenance/shoveling/etc. and the exposure to the exhaust. He loved working the games, though.
Quote from: Tom LentoI'm assuming Dave is no longer the game night driver. I remember talking to him many years ago (early 00s, probably) and he was saying that he was doing as little of the driving/resurfacing work as possible because of the physical toll it takes, both in terms of the driving/maintenance/shoveling/etc. and the exposure to the exhaust. He loved working the games, though.
Time for environmentally aware Cornell to use an electric Zamboni, or Olympia. But they carry a stiff premium, something like $150,000 for lithium-power vs. ~$100,000 for propane / natural gas.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Tom LentoI'm assuming Dave is no longer the game night driver. I remember talking to him many years ago (early 00s, probably) and he was saying that he was doing as little of the driving/resurfacing work as possible because of the physical toll it takes, both in terms of the driving/maintenance/shoveling/etc. and the exposure to the exhaust. He loved working the games, though.
Time for environmentally aware Cornell to use an electric Zamboni, or Olympia. But they carry a stiff premium, something like $150,000 for lithium-power vs. ~$100,000 for propane / natural gas.
OOC, what's the source of electricity for re-charging it? If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road. Not to mention a two-step process (fuel to electricity to Zamboni action) is most probably inherently less efficient than a single step process.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Tom LentoI'm assuming Dave is no longer the game night driver. I remember talking to him many years ago (early 00s, probably) and he was saying that he was doing as little of the driving/resurfacing work as possible because of the physical toll it takes, both in terms of the driving/maintenance/shoveling/etc. and the exposure to the exhaust. He loved working the games, though.
Time for environmentally aware Cornell to use an electric Zamboni, or Olympia. But they carry a stiff premium, something like $150,000 for lithium-power vs. ~$100,000 for propane / natural gas.
OOC, what's the source of electricity for re-charging it? If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road. Not to mention a two-step process (fuel to electricity to Zamboni action) is most probably inherently less efficient than a single step process.
Am I the only one who read that as "out of conference" at first?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road.
Depends on the fossil fuel. Of course, we shut down Ward...
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road.
Depends on the fossil fuel. Of course, we shut down Ward...
...Cleaver?
Stop your whining.The first year I attended Cornell Men's Varsity hockey games at Lynah the Big Red went 2 and 19.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road.
Depends on the fossil fuel. Of course, we shut down Ward...
Nuke isn't considered a classic fossil fuel.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82OOC, what's the source of electricity for re-charging it? If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road. Not to mention a two-step process (fuel to electricity to Zamboni action) is most probably inherently less efficient than a single step process.
Caution thread drift: A battery electric vehicle that gets its electricity from a big power plant is more efficient propelling the vehicle than using a hydrocarbon fuel for combustion energy. Charging your car with electricity at 12-13 cents/kWh is like buying gasoline at one-third of the prevailing price for gasoline. It may be more efficient to scrub the pollutants in 250 big powerplants than in 200 million (in the US) individual combustion engine vehicles. And Dave and his successors aren't breathing carbon monoxide inside Lynah no matter what the full lifecycle cost of the Zamboni is.
Also true: There's total lifecycle cost of an EV, the batteries, where the battery components are sourced, etcetera, to be considered. But there's a real benefit to emitting the pollution that creates power for vehicles someplace outside the world's ~40 megacities (10M plus population). Most are in Asia so we're a little slow recognizing the problem. All North America has is Mexico City, NYC, LA depending on how you measure the region, and Toronto almost (6M metro area).
If Lynah had an lithium-ion powered Zamboni, we'd still have Dave scraping the ice, maybe.
Natural gas is so cheap and so prevalent that coal-fired plants, the worst powerplant polluters, are being mothballed. So there is that one upside to fracking. Nuclear powerplants are super efficient and non-polluting with a couple outlier exceptions such as Fukushima (we have relatives living near there but they are spreading God's word so maybe it's okay), TMI, Chernobyl.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road.
Depends on the fossil fuel. Of course, we shut down Ward...
Nuke isn't considered a classic fossil fuel.
Fine, fine. Uranium is not made of compacted dead organisms, but we do get it (mostly) out of the ground!
Poor nuclear, always sui generis.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road.
Depends on the fossil fuel. Of course, we shut down Ward...
Nuke isn't considered a classic fossil fuel.
Fine, fine. Uranium is not made of compacted dead organisms, but we do get it (mostly) out of the ground!
All energy came from the sun at some point...
::burnout::
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82If it's fossil fuels, you're only kicking the can down the road.
Depends on the fossil fuel. Of course, we shut down Ward...
Nuke isn't considered a classic fossil fuel.
Fine, fine. Uranium is not made of compacted dead organisms, but we do get it (mostly) out of the ground!
All energy came from the sun at some point...
::burnout::
Or some other sun, in the case of Uranium.
So I have a spectacularly stupid question. Heavy elements come from larger, hotter stars or their explosions or whatever -- OK I get that. But why do the atoms of those elements congregate together in large enough concentrations to be easily gathered? Why aren't they spread diffusely through all matter?
Do atoms of the same type "like" each other?
Quote from: TrotskySo I have a spectacularly stupid question. Heavy elements come from larger, hotter stars or their explosions or whatever -- OK I get that. But why do the atoms of those elements congregate together in large enough concentrations to be easily gathered? Why aren't they spread diffusely through all matter?
Do atoms of the same type "like" each other?
I think it's just random and it builds upon itself. After the explosion, certain areas happen to have more stuff, that stuff gathers more stuff by gravity, and so on.
I get why matter collects into clumps -- that's gravity. But why do you get enough uranium atoms to collect into molecules close enough to each other that you get uranium ore? Why don't you get infinitesimal traces of uranium scattered
everywhere so that most matter has a random handful of uranium atoms scattered through it.
Matter concentrates but why does it become relatively homogeneous above the molecular level?
Are you saying the local source just has enough of it that some of it will stick together? My completely uninformed understanding is even right at the supernova source of heavy elements they are still ludicrously rare (http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2013/ph241/roberts2/).
Quote from: Given their decay rates, the abundance of these elements at the time the solar system formed (roughly a billion years ago) should have been about 0.3.
Um. .3
what? Does that mean 3/10th of a percent of all the matter ejected from the super nova? That's actually not that rare at all.
Quote from: TrotskyI get why matter collects into clumps -- that's gravity. But why do you get enough uranium atoms to collect into molecules close enough to each other that you get uranium ore? Why don't you get infinitesimal traces of uranium scattered everywhere so that most matter has a random handful of uranium atoms scattered through it.
Matter concentrates but why does it become relatively homogeneous above the molecular level?
Are you saying the local source just has enough of it that some of it will stick together? My completely uninformed understanding is even right at the supernova source of heavy elements they are still ludicrously rare (http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2013/ph241/roberts2/).
Quote from: Given their decay rates, the abundance of these elements at the time the solar system formed (roughly a billion years ago) should have been about 0.3.
Um. .3 what? Does that mean 3/10th of a percent of all the matter ejected from the super nova? That's actually not that rare at all.
There's thread drift and then there's
thread drift. But given our country is falling apart at warp speed, why the hell not?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyI get why matter collects into clumps -- that's gravity. But why do you get enough uranium atoms to collect into molecules close enough to each other that you get uranium ore? Why don't you get infinitesimal traces of uranium scattered everywhere so that most matter has a random handful of uranium atoms scattered through it.
Matter concentrates but why does it become relatively homogeneous above the molecular level?
Are you saying the local source just has enough of it that some of it will stick together? My completely uninformed understanding is even right at the supernova source of heavy elements they are still ludicrously rare (http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2013/ph241/roberts2/).
Quote from: Given their decay rates, the abundance of these elements at the time the solar system formed (roughly a billion years ago) should have been about 0.3.
Um. .3 what? Does that mean 3/10th of a percent of all the matter ejected from the super nova? That's actually not that rare at all.
There's thread drift and then there's thread drift. But given our country is falling apart at warp speed, why the hell not?
Who would've thought locking people in their homes for 3 months and destroying the economy would have consequences.
Quote from: TrotskyI get why matter collects into clumps -- that's gravity. But why do you get enough uranium atoms to collect into molecules close enough to each other that you get uranium ore? Why don't you get infinitesimal traces of uranium scattered everywhere so that most matter has a random handful of uranium atoms scattered through it.
I googled it. Uranium is considered to be "incompatible" with magma. That is, when magma cools and partially solidifies, the uranium (and some other metals) tend to stay in the melt. It's concentration by fractional crystallization. Eventually the melt completely solidifies and you get concentrated solid uranium ore deposits.
This is great (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_crystallization_(geology)), thank you.
Your google-fu has defeated mine.
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I also was involved with crystallization system design in my old job. Not of magma, of course, but it does mean the concepts are rather familiar.
Warning: I have absolutely no idea of exactly what makes uranium atoms congregate.
BUT: Usually it depends on the atom's valence electrons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valence_electron), of which uranium has six (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium). This leaves room for two additional electrons in its valence shell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valence_electron#Valence_shell). These can be occupied by electrons from adjacent atoms. This is why "uranium is almost always found combined with other elements (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium#Biotic_and_abiotic)" (Hammond 2000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium#cite_note-LANL-10)).
Folk wisdom give a simple explanation: "Birds of a feather flock together." This explains uranium, gold mines, and Trump conventions.
Did anyone read the studies / suggestions / reports Cornell released today? I haven't had time, but I imagine it will give us a good idea if there's any chance of sports
Quote from: CU2007Did anyone read the studies / suggestions / reports Cornell released today? I haven't had time, but I imagine it will give us a good idea if there's any chance of sports
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It doesnt really address any of it and most of it has not really even been decided by the state.. Hockey Bball would probably be best served to push the season back to an after xmas start, fball should probably do an ivy only schedule if they decide to try and play.
I think they are really still waiting on testing to be improved before making all the big decisions.
The email we got from Cornell yesterday had a preamble from the head of alumni affairs almost as long as the letter from President Pollack.