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Title: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: CAS on January 27, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
CU there
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Iceberg on January 27, 2020, 06:10:16 PM
Seated tickets for this sold out a long time ago. Not surpising since this is probably the most well-attended road game aside from Harvard
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: CAS on January 27, 2020, 06:39:03 PM
Princeton has a big home basketball game that nite.  Hard to believe the rink will be full.  Maybe Bill Howard can address the situation with getting seats at Princeton...
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on January 27, 2020, 10:13:42 PM
As per usual, the seated tix may be sold out, but given how bad their team is and the fact there's a squeakball game, there should be plenty of open seats.

As usual.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Swampy on January 27, 2020, 10:31:51 PM
I didn't want to start another thread about this, but does anyone know what to expect at Q for tickets this Friday?
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: dbilmes on January 28, 2020, 06:39:03 AM
Quote from: SwampyI didn't want to start another thread about this, but does anyone know what to expect at Q for tickets this Friday?
They only have SRO tickets for sale. The Cornell Club bloc sold out quickly weeks ago.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: drs48 on January 28, 2020, 09:42:43 AM
As for Princeton, I have attended many years in a row having only been moved once by the season ticket holder. Despite being "sold out" every year, there are in fact many seats available. Having retired and relocated to Houston for the daughter/son in law (both '04) and grand kids, alas, I can no longer attend. Go Red!
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Swampy on January 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: dbilmes
Quote from: SwampyI didn't want to start another thread about this, but does anyone know what to expect at Q for tickets this Friday?
They only have SRO tickets for sale. The Cornell Club bloc sold out quickly weeks ago.

Wow. Last year I got an invite from the Cornell Club and bought my ticket that way. This year no invite. I guess not living in Connecticut has its disadvantages.

I still think I'll get SRO tickets and make the trip anyway. Last year, IIRC, there were many empty seats despite the number of tickets sold.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 28, 2020, 10:49:02 AM
Quote from: SwampyI guess not living in Connecticut has its disadvantages.
Unless you're living in Massachusetts I can't think of any.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: dbilmes on January 28, 2020, 02:58:38 PM
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: dbilmes
Quote from: SwampyI didn't want to start another thread about this, but does anyone know what to expect at Q for tickets this Friday?
They only have SRO tickets for sale. The Cornell Club bloc sold out quickly weeks ago.

Wow. Last year I got an invite from the Cornell Club and bought my ticket that way. This year no invite. I guess not living in Connecticut has its disadvantages.

I still think I'll get SRO tickets and make the trip anyway. Last year, IIRC, there were many empty seats despite the number of tickets sold.
If you buy a SRO ticket at Quinnipiac, you'll always be able to find a seat if you so choose. Most of the games I've attended there, even playoff games, have been announced as sell-outs, and most featured hundreds of empty seats. With Cornell being No. 1, though, I expect that even the townies who have season tickets but don't go to every game will show up for this one.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 28, 2020, 03:18:43 PM
It would be interesting to have an accurate measure of the traveling Faithful.  My impression is in the Golden Age (66-73) we took over road barns, including Boston Garden (correct me if I am wrong, olde timers, I wasn't there until 81).  I've seen a few road crowds completely dominate.  RPI's contingent at the Garden in 85 is probably the biggest I have ever seen (I would conservatively estimate they had 70% of the arena).  It also didn't hurt their pep band had an electric bass.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: dbilmes on January 28, 2020, 07:03:56 PM
We had some huge road crowds in the early 2000s. I remember being at Yale games where it seemed like at least half of the rink consisted of Cornell fans.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Jim Hyla on January 29, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: TrotskyIt would be interesting to have an accurate measure of the traveling Faithful.  My impression is in the Golden Age (66-73) we took over road barns, including Boston Garden (correct me if I am wrong, olde timers, I wasn't there until 81).  I've seen a few road crowds completely dominate.  RPI's contingent at the Garden in 85 is probably the biggest I have ever seen (I would conservatively estimate they had 70% of the arena).  It also didn't hurt their pep band had an electric bass.

Of course there is Lynah East, 'nuf said.

As far as the old Garden, go no further than "Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970.

It was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step. You just knew that CU was going to take over the crowd.

Even driving the Mass Pike to Boston was exciting. When a car full of CU fans would pass another, horns would honk. You'd meet people at the rest stops on the way and get to Boston just in time to grab a bite at McD's across the street from the Garden.

Fun.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 29, 2020, 10:46:44 AM
Quote from: Jim HylaIt was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step.
I know this feeling from 85 and 86.  I've never been as thrilled to enter into any other barn.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Swampy on January 29, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: TrotskyIt would be interesting to have an accurate measure of the traveling Faithful.  My impression is in the Golden Age (66-73) we took over road barns, including Boston Garden (correct me if I am wrong, olde timers, I wasn't there until 81).  I've seen a few road crowds completely dominate.  RPI's contingent at the Garden in 85 is probably the biggest I have ever seen (I would conservatively estimate they had 70% of the arena).  It also didn't hurt their pep band had an electric bass.

Of course there is Lynah East, 'nuf said.

As far as the old Garden, go no further than "Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970.

It was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step. You just knew that CU was going to take over the crowd.

Even driving the Mass Pike to Boston was exciting. When a car full of CU fans would pass another, horns would honk. You'd meet people at the rest stops on the way and get to Boston just in time to grab a bite at McD's across the street from the Garden.

Fun.

I too remember this about the Garden, although I think certain kinds of impressions are unfair. If we were playing BU or BC (I don't recall ever playing Harvard in the Garden; maybe we never played BU or BC there either - I can't remember ::demented::), as one would expect there were quite a few supporters from the other side. OTOH, I do remember playing MSU there, and we far outnumbered them. But IIRC, MSU's representation was substantial considering how much further away their campus is.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: billhoward on January 30, 2020, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: CASPrinceton has a big home basketball game that nite.  Hard to believe the rink will be full.  Maybe Bill Howard can address the situation with getting seats at Princeton...
The best-attended Princeton-Cornell game I ever saw had, maybe, 200 open seats in a rink of 2,000. That was when the Princeton team was doing well. Princeton is currently 11th in the ECAC at 1-8-3 although it is on a one-game winning streak.

If you cannot, by the start of the second period, find two open seats together no more than two rows back of the Cornell bench, you're not trying.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: billhoward on January 30, 2020, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: dbilmesWe had some huge road crowds in the early 2000s. I remember being at Yale games where it seemed like at least half of the rink consisted of Cornell fans.
Cripe! It's hard to think of 15 years ago as being the good old days. Then I looked and the mirror and I saw a Do Not Resuscitate waiver staring back. My take on "If thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." Even millennials are starting to look real old.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on January 30, 2020, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: dbilmesWe had some huge road crowds in the early 2000s. I remember being at Yale games where it seemed like at least half of the rink consisted of Cornell fans.
Cripe! It's hard to think of 15 years ago as being the good old days. Then I looked and the mirror and I saw a Do Not Resuscitate waiver staring back. My take on "If thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." Even millennials are starting to look real old.

Yep, my nephew, who I remember holding when he was only 17 days old, just turned 20.  

Face it, Bill.  We're old.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Jim Hyla on January 31, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: dbilmesWe had some huge road crowds in the early 2000s. I remember being at Yale games where it seemed like at least half of the rink consisted of Cornell fans.
Cripe! It's hard to think of 15 years ago as being the good old days. Then I looked and the mirror and I saw a Do Not Resuscitate waiver staring back. My take on "If thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." Even millennials are starting to look real old.

Yep, my nephew, who I remember holding when he was only 17 days old, just turned 20.  

Face it, Bill.  We're old.

You don't know old.::demented::
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: CAS on January 31, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
Princeton ticket office reports that there an extremely limited number of remaining tickets.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: osorojo on January 31, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
This year Cornell skaters seem to have consistently played at the level of their opponents. This could be an exciting game.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 31, 2020, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: osorojoThis year Cornell skaters seem to have consistently played at the level of their opponents.

You can tell this from the .842 percentage.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 31, 2020, 01:41:30 PM
Opponents' combined conference records, final six weekends:


DH 14- 8-5 .611
QP  8-12-4 .417
GG 12- 6-6 .625
UR 11-16-2 .414
YB 10-14-0 .417
SK 11-15-0 .423
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: osorojo on January 31, 2020, 03:30:47 PM
Is that .842 a percentage of wins alone or wins and ties? I never did well in those classes with all the numbers but it seems Cornell failed to win (lost or tied) against lower-rated teams as frequently as they failed to win against top-fifteen teams.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: ugarte on January 31, 2020, 03:34:24 PM
Quote from: osorojoIs that .842 a percentage of wins alone or wins and ties? I never did well in those classes with all the numbers but it seems Cornell failed to win (lost or tied) against lower-rated teams as frequently as they failed to win against top-fifteen teams.
includes ties as half-win, half loss. 14-1-4 = 16-3.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 31, 2020, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: osorojoIs that .842 a percentage of wins alone or wins and ties? I never did well in those classes with all the numbers but it seems Cornell failed to win (lost or tied) against lower-rated teams as frequently as they failed to win against top-fifteen teams.

(2w + t) / 2gp

or, (w + t/2) / gp

My point is we're not really playing at the level of the opposition.  We're taking the points we need against unranked teams and then fighting tooth and nail against the ranked ones.

Union is the exception.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Dafatone on January 31, 2020, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: osorojoThis year Cornell skaters seem to have consistently played at the level of their opponents. This could be an exciting game.

The teams we've tied are ranked 9, 15, 20, and 55 in the pairwise.

The team we lost to is ranked 22.

Basically, we have a bad tie to Union. Otherwise, we've had some tough games against tough teams, and we've beaten teams all across the spectrum (8, 10, 15, 19, as well as 53, 56, 59).
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 31, 2020, 04:47:50 PM
Record vs current PWR bands:
 
 1- 9    1-0-1    Clk, Prv
10-19    5-0-1    OSU, NMUx2, MSUx2, Qpc
20-29    3-1-1    Hvdx2, Drtx2, BU
30-39    1-0-0    Yal
40-49    1-0-0    RPI
50+      3-0-1    Prn, Uni, Brn, SLU


To give you an idea, let's say we replicate over the final 10 games:
 
 1- 9    2-0-1    Clkx2, Prv
10-19    6-0-1    OSU, NMUx2, MSUx2, Qpcx2
20-29    3-1-1    Hvdx2, Drtx2, BU
30-39    4-0-0    Yalx2, Cgtx2
40-49    2-0-0    RPIx2
50+      6-0-2    Prnx2, Unix2, Brnx2, SLUx2


That would be 23-1-5 overall, 18-1-3 ECAC.  Yeah, I'll take that.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: arugula on January 31, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim HylaIt was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step.
I know this feeling from 85 and 86.  I've never been as thrilled to enter into any other barn.

I was also there those years.  Crazy loud atomosphere.  The timbers at the Garden truly swayed, which may have had something to do with shoddy construction too.  I recall the 1986 double ot semi-final game with Clarkson and being worried that the T would stop for the night.  My late roommate and I stood along with everyone else for basically the entire night, which in the Gahden sometimes meant banging your head on the overhang.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 31, 2020, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim HylaIt was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step.
I know this feeling from 85 and 86.  I've never been as thrilled to enter into any other barn.

I was also there those years.  Crazy loud atomosphere.  The timbers at the Garden truly swayed, which may have had something to do with shoddy construction too.  I recall the 1986 double ot semi-final game with Clarkson and being worried that the T would stop for the night.  My late roommate and I stood along with everyone else for basically the entire night, which in the Gahden sometimes meant banging your head on the overhang.
I remember that in the corners at the top of the rink the seats were all over the place and the rows lost their integrity.  It was like the top of an ear of corn.  :-)

The 86 ECAC SF (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1986/box19860314.pdf) is still the most exciting game I've ever seen, and the greatest performance by a Cornell goalie I have been present for.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: arugula on January 31, 2020, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim HylaIt was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step.
I know this feeling from 85 and 86.  I've never been as thrilled to enter into any other barn.

I was also there those years.  Crazy loud atomosphere.  The timbers at the Garden truly swayed, which may have had something to do with shoddy construction too.  I recall the 1986 double ot semi-final game with Clarkson and being worried that the T would stop for the night.  My late roommate and I stood along with everyone else for basically the entire night, which in the Gahden sometimes meant banging your head on the overhang.
I remember that in the corners at the top of the rink the seats were all over the place and the rows lost their integrity.  It was like the top of an ear of corn.  :-)

The 86 ECAC SF (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1986/box19860314.pdf) is still the most exciting game I've ever seen, and the greatest performance by a Cornell goalie I have been present for.

If you had asked me then, I would have said dadswell was more likely to have the great nhl career than Joe.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 31, 2020, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: arugulaIf you had asked me then, I would have said dadswell was more likely to have the great nhl career than Joe.

I don't know about that, but when Joe scored 50 in his first couple years I was dumbstruck.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: arugula on January 31, 2020, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim HylaIt was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step.
I know this feeling from 85 and 86.  I've never been as thrilled to enter into any other barn.

I was also there those years.  Crazy loud atomosphere.  The timbers at the Garden truly swayed, which may have had something to do with shoddy construction too.  I recall the 1986 double ot semi-final game with Clarkson and being worried that the T would stop for the night.  My late roommate and I stood along with everyone else for basically the entire night, which in the Gahden sometimes meant banging your head on the overhang.
I remember that in the corners at the top of the rink the seats were all over the place and the rows lost their integrity.  It was like the top of an ear of corn.  :-)

The 86 ECAC SF (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1986/box19860314.pdf) is still the most exciting game I've ever seen, and the greatest performance by a Cornell goalie I have been present for.

If you had asked me then, I would have said dadswell was more likely to have the great nhl career than Joe.

Funny, my wife is a Yale grad and her friend was friends with Mike Schwalb who was in the nets for Yale the next night, so I've heard a bit of being on the other side of Dadswell's hot streak.  Good Yale team with Randy Wood but the Red were not being stopped that year, at least not in the ECAC.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: arugula on January 31, 2020, 05:22:19 PM
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Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim HylaIt was wonderful walking up the old ramps to get into the Garden. I could feel my body get excited with each step.
I know this feeling from 85 and 86.  I've never been as thrilled to enter into any other barn.

I was also there those years.  Crazy loud atomosphere.  The timbers at the Garden truly swayed, which may have had something to do with shoddy construction too.  I recall the 1986 double ot semi-final game with Clarkson and being worried that the T would stop for the night.  My late roommate and I stood along with everyone else for basically the entire night, which in the Gahden sometimes meant banging your head on the overhang.
I remember that in the corners at the top of the rink the seats were all over the place and the rows lost their integrity.  It was like the top of an ear of corn.  :-)

The 86 ECAC SF (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1986/box19860314.pdf) is still the most exciting game I've ever seen, and the greatest performance by a Cornell goalie I have been present for.

If you had asked me then, I would have said dadswell was more likely to have the great nhl career than Joe.

Funny, my wife is a Yale grad and her friend was friends with Mike Schwalb who was in the nets for Yale the next night, so I've heard a bit of being on the other side of Dadswell's hot streak.  Good Yale team with Randy Wood but the Red were not being stopped that year, at least not in the ECAC.

Wait a second, I'm getting (am) old.  Got it all reversed.  Yale was the double ot semi.  Duh
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: upprdeck on January 31, 2020, 05:31:15 PM
we havent played at the level of the bad teams as much as we havent scored given all the chances..  

we outshot union by over 10 on the road and tied.

quin we played an avg game at the stats show it as an even game

dartmouth we lost but we out shot them 40-17.. thats just the way hockey goes some nights
dart game 38-22 and another close game but good effort

harvard was the game that we probably deserved to lose out shot by 13 at home..  

but harvard has played way below their talent level all yr.

we will know in 3-4 weeks whether we have leveled off our just hit the mid yr lull with the break..
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: Trotsky on January 31, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
Welp.  This is happening.  There's one stinker every year.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: ugarte on January 31, 2020, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: TrotskyWelp.  This is happening.  There's one stinker every year.
i thought the statcast was glitching
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: upprdeck on January 31, 2020, 08:32:41 PM
we had 2 spurts of cycling where we produced tons of chances but other than that little zone time.

Quin has gotten goals on the pinch and some good bounce rebounds but this looks just like the harvard game, no pressure and very sloppy D.

we went 2 months with solid games and now its been several in a row and not great effort.
Title: Re: Hockey @ Princeton this Saturday
Post by: billhoward on January 31, 2020, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: dbilmesWe had some huge road crowds in the early 2000s. I remember being at Yale games where it seemed like at least half of the rink consisted of Cornell fans.
Cripe! It's hard to think of 15 years ago as being the good old days. Then I looked and the mirror and I saw a Do Not Resuscitate waiver staring back. My take on "If thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." Even millennials are starting to look real old.

Yep, my nephew, who I remember holding when he was only 17 days old, just turned 20.  

Face it, Bill.  We're old.
The most poignant moment was when a friend at the Springfield Newspapers, my first stop on the pro circuit, looked at his firstborn and said, I can see myself dancing at her wedding. Fast-forward 30 years and he is. Tick, tick,