Not too early to start thinking about this.
One point of concern is that our game against tOSU on 1/3/20 will be our first after a 27-day lay-off. Meanwhile, tOSU plays Colgate on 12/27 & 28, Providence plays LSSU and Union on those dates, and Army plays Robert Morris on 12/14 & 15 and New Hampshire on 12/29.
Let's hope the lay-off Keeps us fresh, and intense practices help us fix some things like the PP. Let's hope rust is not an issue.
I wish this tournament's format were different. Instead of setting pairings before the season even begins, they should wait until Dec. 1 and then pair teams according to pwr: highest v lowest & 2nd highest v 3rd highest. This would create the likelihood of the two highest teams meeting for the tournament championship, rather than the current situation of having the two highest teams meeting in the opening round. It also would reward teams for their performance up until the December break period.
I'm OK with this result since we are guaranteed the test against the #6 in as "consequence free" an environment as we could.
It always seems like we end up behind the 8 ball with scheduling whether it be early season or after break.
A few examples. CU is the only team in the Vegas tourney to have not played a game since the break. Along with that.
we have played the fewest games to date in the entire country at 11 and the fewest home games at 4. It's understandable to
want to play two exhibition games prior to the start of the season since Ivy's are at a disadvantage out of the gate but wondering
if it would be wiser to play one early exhibition and one after the break to prepare for second half. We just seem to play on an
uneven playing field too much. Done whining. Go Red!
I can't find much from the schools, their papers, or the LV papers.
CBR posts: (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/12/31/mens-ice-hockey-2-mens-hockey-prepares-for-vegas-battle-with-6-ohio-state.aspx)
Ohio State starts with: (https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/buckeyes-vegas-fortress-invitational/)
and then posts: (https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/buckeye-hockey-notebook-fortress-invitational-19/)
Providence Friars hasn't yet posted anything. (https://friars.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey)
Nor yet from West Point. (https://goarmywestpoint.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey)
Nothing from the college newspapers.
Nothing yet from the Sun. (https://cornellsun.com/tag/mens-hockey/)
The OSU Lantern has nothing. (https://www.thelantern.com/?s=hockey)
Providence College paper The Cowl has very little on their hockey team at all. (https://www.thecowl.com/category/sports)
The U.S. Military Academy "Pointer View" is only through last semester. (http://www.pointerview.com/category/sports/army-and-community-sports/)
Local papers are also blanking on news.
The IJ of course has nothing. (https://www.ithacajournal.com/sports/)
Columbus Dispatch: Zip (https://www.dispatch.com/sports)
The Providence Journal only talks about past games. (https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20191229/pc-settles-for-1-1-tie-with-union)
West Point News has nothing. (http://www.wpnews.com/sports/)
LV Papers don't seem to have been promoting the games. Although admittedly I don't know anything about the LV papers.
Las Vegas Review-Journal (https://www.reviewjournal.com/?s=fortress+invitational) mentions it back in August.
As did the LV Sun. (https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/aug/08/golden-knights-hosting-college-hockey-tournament-i/)
LV Herald doesn't seem to have a sports section. (https://www.lasvegasherald.com/)
Quote from: Jim HylaI can't find much from the schools, their papers, or the LV papers.
CBR posts: (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/12/31/mens-ice-hockey-2-mens-hockey-prepares-for-vegas-battle-with-6-ohio-state.aspx)
Ohio State starts with: (https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/buckeyes-vegas-fortress-invitational/)
and then posts: (https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/buckeye-hockey-notebook-fortress-invitational-19/)
Providence Friars hasn't yet posted anything. (https://friars.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey)
Nor yet from West Point. (https://goarmywestpoint.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey)
Nothing from the college newspapers.
Nothing yet from the Sun. (https://cornellsun.com/tag/mens-hockey/)
The OSU Lantern has nothing. (https://www.thelantern.com/?s=hockey)
Providence College paper The Cowl has very little on their hockey team at all. (https://www.thecowl.com/category/sports)
The U.S. Military Academy "Pointer View" is only through last semester. (http://www.pointerview.com/category/sports/army-and-community-sports/)
Local papers are also blanking on news.
The IJ of course has nothing. (https://www.ithacajournal.com/sports/)
Columbus Dispatch: Zip (https://www.dispatch.com/sports)
The Providence Journal only talks about past games. (https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20191229/pc-settles-for-1-1-tie-with-union)
West Point News has nothing. (http://www.wpnews.com/sports/)
LV Papers don't seem to have been promoting the games. Although admittedly I don't know anything about the LV papers.
Las Vegas Review-Journal (https://www.reviewjournal.com/?s=fortress+invitational) mentions it back in August.
As did the LV Sun. (https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/aug/08/golden-knights-hosting-college-hockey-tournament-i/)
LV Herald doesn't seem to have a sports section. (https://www.lasvegasherald.com/)
From the NHL: Las Vegas Set To Host "Fortress Invitational" (https://www.nhl.com/goldenknights/news/las-vegas-set-to-host-fortress-invitational/c-313242374)
45-15-7: collective record of the field.
What is the least expensive way to watch this (on flo?)?
One month? Does one also need to opt out of auto-renewal?
i think flo only does 1 month thing but they might give you back some if you opt out early?
Quote from: upprdecki think flo only does 1 month thing but they might give you back some if you opt out early?
flo does not do month to month, I don't think. it's all annual iirc. I'm a subscriber already so I haven't looked at the T&C in a while. I once signed up and they let me off the hook with a prorated rebate but I don't know if they're always that forgiving.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdecki think flo only does 1 month thing but they might give you back some if you opt out early?
flo does not do month to month, I don't think. it's all annual iirc. I'm a subscriber already so I haven't looked at the T&C in a while. I once signed up and they let me off the hook with a prorated rebate but I don't know if they're always that forgiving.
They seem to have a plan that includes a month for $29.99: https://www.flohockey.tv/plans?redirect=%2Flive%2F19071-2020-fortress-invitational
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdecki think flo only does 1 month thing but they might give you back some if you opt out early?
flo does not do month to month, I don't think. it's all annual iirc. I'm a subscriber already so I haven't looked at the T&C in a while. I once signed up and they let me off the hook with a prorated rebate but I don't know if they're always that forgiving.
They seem to have a plan that includes a month for $29.99: https://www.flohockey.tv/plans?redirect=%2Flive%2F19071-2020-fortress-invitational
Although their site does not mention it, there's also a Flo app for Android available on Amazon that apparently loads into Amazon Fire TV's.
Flo has 2 plans $29.22/mo & $150.00/yr. The latter says it auto renews on the anniversary of the subscription or until the subscription is cancelled. It's not clear about cancelling after only one month.
$5.29/month for ESPN+ and $29.22/month for Flo
something wrong with this picture....
Economies of scale and all that
Jason it is, then.
Here's what I could pick up this AM.
CHN on College Hockey This Week. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/01/02_College-Hockey-This-Week-.php)
and highlighting Army's rise. (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/01/02_Marching-Forward.php)
USCHO on the tourney and beyond, (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/02/las-vegas-and-golden-knights-hope-that-this-weekends-fortress-invitational-will-be-a-major-stepping-stone-towards-attracting-a-frozen-four/)
followed by an article on OSU. Or is it TOSU? (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/02/playing-in-fortress-invitational-this-weekend-in-vegas-ohio-states-goal-to-come-home-with-hardware/)
Here's Flo Hockey's pretourney article. (https://www.flohockey.tv/articles/6632806-4-fresh-teams-highlight-vegas-2020-fortress-invitational)
Buckeye's pretourney. (https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/mhky-fortress-invitational-2019/)
PC posts here. (https://friars.com/news/2020/1/2/mens-ice-hockey-no-14-mens-hockey-heads-west-for-the-2020-fortress-invitational.aspx)
The Sun. (https://cornellsun.com/2020/01/03/coming-off-first-loss-no-2-mens-hockey-starts-2020-with-tough-competition-at-fortress-invitational/)
LV Review-Journal article on a LV Golden Knights prospect playing for PC. (https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/golden-knights-prospect-jack-dugan-to-play-in-las-vegas-event-1927257/)
LV Sun at least mentions that the tourney is something to do along with some other interesting events (https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jan/03/best-bets-atomic-saloon-show-fortress-invitational/)
Quote from: adamw$5.29/month for ESPN+ and $29.22/month for Flo
something wrong with this picture....
Economies of scale and all that
more like it's easier to squeeze people with narrower interests. i doubt the relative price of kosher meat is strictly proportional to the difference in slaughterhouse expenses.
just the fact that someone already is looking for cheaper way to watch a game shows that the price pt ESPN+ uses works better for someone watching 1-2 games a month. Why FLO doesnt have a one off game prices is crazy though for people who really only want to see 1 game OC,,
Still the $30 price is really for 2 Cornell games and at $15 a game thats about what most places charge for a single game. Its the price of a movie ticket so if you want to watch both games its not a real bad deal.
For the historians: is this the furthest from Ithaca Cornell has played a hockey game? I know we've been to Colorado many times. I guess it's possible there was some special CA trip decades ago like Harvard just did, and we haven't done the "Friendship Four" tournament in Ireland the ECAC is involved in.
I mean, we are getting closer to Vladivostok, and I'm still here, after all.
They played a winter break tourney at least once in Vancouver BC, I think in the 90s. That's about 400 miles further than Vegas.
I'm hoping that the new NHL team coming into Seattle sponsors a tourney like this and invites us to play. 20 minute bus ride for me.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdecki think flo only does 1 month thing but they might give you back some if you opt out early?
flo does not do month to month, I don't think. it's all annual iirc. I'm a subscriber already so I haven't looked at the T&C in a while. I once signed up and they let me off the hook with a prorated rebate but I don't know if they're always that forgiving.
They seem to have a plan that includes a month for $29.99: https://www.flohockey.tv/plans?redirect=%2Flive%2F19071-2020-fortress-invitational
Although their site does not mention it, there's also a Flo app for Android available on Amazon that apparently loads into Amazon Fire TV's.
Flo has 2 plans $29.22/mo & $150.00/yr. The latter says it auto renews on the anniversary of the subscription or until the subscription is cancelled. It's not clear about cancelling after only one month.
I just bought a month and installed the FLO ROKU app and I am watching period 2 of the UNH at PSU women's hockey game. When I was in the payment process it warned me about auto-renewal.
They offer plenty of games to watch before the 8 PM start in Las Vegas.
Quote from: Chris H82They played a winter break tourney at least once in Vancouver BC, I think in the 90s. That's about 400 miles further than Vegas.
Yes, took a little bit playing with the TBRW generator, but Jan 3-5, 1986 they beat British Columbia, Seibu-Japan, and Yale in Vancouver. Good call, thanks. Probably only Yale wasn't an exhibition
I also just purchased a month of Flo access. I then immediately looked for a way to prevent the next monthly charge. The way to accomplish this is to cancel your subscription. On the last screen before cancellation it warns that you will lose access after February 3, which is fine. (I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose access immediately.)
There's no reason not to cancel immediately. If for some reason you change your mind and want to continue after a month you can just subscribe again. It's a better approach than forgetting about it and being hit with a $30 charge because you forgot you had started a recurring payment subscription.
How best to follow the game if I do not want to pay for Flo? Is anyone going to be on slack-chat tonight?
Quote from: KenPHow best to follow the game if I do not want to pay for Flo? Is anyone going to be on slack-chat tonight?
I believe WHCU is covering it: http://player.listenlive.co/41391. Wait until the Cornell game starts (~ 11:30 ET), because I doubt WHCU is covering the Army/PC game. If you start listening now, you're liable to get reactionary talk radio, like Rush Lame-O.
Great article on the invitational but really about Darren Eliot:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/ron-kantowski/cornells-arrival-brings-back-memories-for-knights-eliot-1927800/
Looks like barring some sort of military miracle Providence will advance to the final.
Warm-ups? Maybe it was worth $30.
Quote from: martyWarm-ups? Maybe it was worth $30.
Yeah but you're missing the crazy country western dance competition that's also live. It's really... Something.
The Berard goal was so goddamn good. Locke should get a tertiary assist. Three perfect passes and a clean finish.
Steinburg had a really pretty toe drag that he almost covered with 20 seconds left.
Galajda looks great. Buckeyes had a lot more jump as the period wore on but Cornell was playing solid positional defense and kept disrupting OSU's passing. Solid first period against a good team.
Note to self: watch the replay for Beeeej and friends reaction shot after the second goal.
Hell of a day for the freshmen. A pair for Berard and one for Steinburg. Really liking the way Berard makes himself available for passes from behind the goal.
Steinburg just sent off on a major and... idgi. Didn't seem that bad except for the size differential. The guy hit his head on the glass but that didn't seem intentional.
Killed off the first 1:30 and the Red is up 3-0 after 2.
Quote from: ugarteNote to self: watch the replay for Beeeej and friends reaction shot after the second goal.
Also after 4th goal.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: ugarteNote to self: watch the replay for Beeeej and friends reaction shot after the second goal.
Also after 4th goal.
indeed.
great game.
first goal against was a really sloppy pass from Cairns. second was a crazy 6 on 5 scramble that somehow Galajda didn't cover in the crease. In his defense there were 14 guys in the crease with him.
Mullin's rebound was sharp and it was good to get the quick empty netter from Bauld after we lost the shutout.
Goddamn it's late!
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: ugarteNote to self: watch the replay for Beeeej and friends reaction shot after the second goal.
Also after 4th goal.
Ahh, they were sitting over on the end. Easy to spot!
That should help when selection comes around.
Cornell now 0.0002 behind North Dakota in RPI. NoDak plays (60) UAH Saturday.
According to CHN we are just 2 10,000th of a point behind North Dakota in the pairwise after the win.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/
1 North Dakota 59 .6549
2 Cornell 58 .6547
Edit: I see Chris beat me to this by a couple of minutes!
FYI, Andreev did not play as he got sick this afternoon.
Berard took his place on the first powerplay unit and Stienburg dressed in Max's place to fill out the line-up.
So the Hockey Gods or our depth as a team helped greatly on the first two goals.
Noah Bauld was great defensively all game.
Mike mentioned in the pre-game reception that he likes to have the Bauld-Betts-Mulllin line out against the other team's best line, but we were the visiting team tonight so he couldn't match up that way most of the time.
Quote from: jkahnFYI, Andreev did not play as he got sick this afternoon.
Berard took his place on the first powerplay unit and Stienburg dressed in Max's place to fill out the line-up.
So the Hockey Gods or our depth as a team helped greatly on the first two goals.
Noah Bauld was great defensively all game.
Mike mentioned in the pre-game reception that he likes to have the Bauld-Betts-Mulllin line out against the other team's best line, but we were the visiting team tonight so he couldn't match up that way most of the time.
Thanks. Will we be the visiting team tomorrow? Did Max just come down with the common cold? We could really use him tomorrow.
thought other than the bad TO after we went up 4-0 and then some sloppy play late we controlled the game well.
OSU we let turn the corner a few times in the last 10 min.
not sure about the major either.. he was not really that far off the board when he got hit. The OSU one later was a much more dangerous check
Solid game for a month off.
Quote from: pfibigerGreat article on the invitational but really about Darren Eliot:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/ron-kantowski/cornells-arrival-brings-back-memories-for-knights-eliot-1927800/
Don't miss the video clip (https://youtu.be/z_UrhA-ilWQ) about the best college hockey venue.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: pfibigerGreat article on the invitational but really about Darren Eliot:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/ron-kantowski/cornells-arrival-brings-back-memories-for-knights-eliot-1927800/
Don't miss the video clip (https://youtu.be/z_UrhA-ilWQ) about the best college hockey venue.
Even Barry Melrose is right twice every...
USCHO (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/03/gotw-providence-powers-past-army-west-point-3-1-to-reach-finals-of-fortress-invitational-in-vegas/)
Not about CU, but interesting in Review-Journal.
The video: Foley says West Point values have carried over to Golden Knights – VIDEO (https://www.reviewjournal.com/videos/foley-says-west-point-values-have-carried-over-to-golden-knights-video/)
and the written: Mention 'Army' and Golden Knights' Bill Foley beams with pride (https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/ed-graney/mention-army-and-golden-knights-bill-foley-beams-with-pride-1928091/)
CBR (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2020/1/4/ohio-state-recap.aspx)
TOSU (https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/no-6-7-buckeyes-fall-to-no-2-cornell-in-fortress-invitational/)
Friars (https://friars.com/news/2020/1/4/mens-ice-hockey-no-14-mens-hockey-downs-no-20-army-west-point-3-1-at-the-fortress-invitational.aspx)
West Point (https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2020/1/3/hockey-army-falls-to-14-providence-in-opener-of-fortress-invitational.aspx)
Unnamed is Dick Bertrand in the patter between Darren Eliot and "the other guy" who seemed not to want to do PBP last night. It starts at the 4 hour 47 plus minute mark of the two game - one long video - broadcast. This lasts until about the 4 hour 56 minute mark. Darren talks about getting his shot at regular goal tending when Brian Hayward contracted mono. The conversation moves to Bertrand deciding that after alternating goalies for Eliot's sophomore year he decided that Hayward would be THE goalie his senior (Eliot's junior) year. Nice story and the silver lining to the PBP guy not doing his job.
As an aside, I was able to sync the WHCU audio to the video and missed this last night. But it is thanks to the Slack chat comment on this conversation for my realization that I should replay this. And thanks to Art for point out that it was coach Bertrand that Darren was speaking of.
I paused the video on ROKU to sync Jason's audio. I think (but didn't verify this last night because I was in sync) that one can also pause the audio to make the sync if you choose to use TuneIn on your phone or tablet to listen to the WHCU stream.
Quote from: martyUnnamed is Dick Bertrand in the patter between Darren Eliot and "the other guy" who seemed not to want to do PBP last night. It starts at the 4 hour 47 plus minute mark of the two game - one long video - broadcast. This lasts until about the 4 hour 56 minute mark. Darren talks about getting his shot at regular goal tending when Brian Hayward contracted mono. The conversation moves to Bertrand deciding that after alternating goalies for Eliot's sophomore year he decided that Hayward would be THE goalie his senior (Eliot's junior) year. Nice story and the silver lining to the PBP guy not doing his job.
...
It took me quite a while to realize both games were behind the single graphic, which only showed Army & PC logos. But once I realized it, I also realized I'd have to FF to search for the OSU/Cornell game. While doing so, about midway through and almost an hour before the game, one can hear two commentators discussing what "a pain in the ass" it is to live adjacent to a golf course and how golfers would get pissed when the commentators' dogs barked.
As a dog-owner but non-golfer, I found this more enlightening than lots of sports commentary. Never buy a house on a golf course!
Quote from: SwampyBut once I realized it, I also realized I'd have to FF to search for the OSU/Cornell game. While doing so, about midway through and almost an hour before the game, one can hear two commentators discussing what "a pain in the ass" it is to live adjacent to a golf course and how golfers would get pissed when the commentators' dogs barked.
As a dog-owner but non-golfer, I found this more enlightening than lots of sports commentary. Never buy a house on a golf course!
I chuckled at this conversation too, but I'm pretty sure it took place just after the audio went live, which was just before the player introductions. I had left the video feed up after the Providence-Army game, and there was no audio for most of the time between games.
Quote from the OSU coach on the OSU Athletics game story:
"To me, the bottom line is we found out what it's like to work hard. Facing Cornell is basically a one-on-one hockey game, and we lost a lot of the one-on-one battles. It was a compete game tonight and we didn't have enough of it. That's a really good hockey team over there."
Important Heads Up: Tonight's final is the First Game, at 5:30 Pacific with the Consolation game to follow.
Quote from: jkahnImportant Heads Up: Tonight's final is the First Game, at 5:30 Pacific with the Consolation game to follow.
Yeah we had to move around a dinner reservation, having assumed the championship game was the late game.
While we had a couple unforced errors last night, OSU has faaar more. If you asked me which team hadn't played in a month, I would have guessed them. Their passing was especially sloppy.
Good to see the cowbell and the "so and so called, they said" guys again!
Quote from: jkahnImportant Heads Up: Tonight's final is the First Game, at 5:30 Pacific with the Consolation game to follow.
Thanks. It's almost impossible to find out the time from the FI web site since it just lumps the Championship and Consolation rounds together.
To add to my earlier kvetching about having the two highest-ranked teams playing each other in the first round, how about having them play the late game the first day, followed by the early game the next? In my book, teams that EARN the higher ranking before the tournament (and arguably can be expected to play the more difficult game because their opponents are tougher) ought to have the benefit of a longer time to recuperate between games.
I haven't been this stoked about Big Red Hockey in 50 years. GRIN!
Cornell was fabulous the first two periods against Ohio State. A couple mistakes in the third. Would have rather had it end 3-0 than 5-2. I was hoping for the same six-point MOV as Clemson put up on the Buckeyes six days previously.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnImportant Heads Up: Tonight's final is the First Game, at 5:30 Pacific with the Consolation game to follow.
Thanks. It's almost impossible to find out the time from the FI web site since it just lumps the Championship and Consolation rounds together.
To add to my earlier kvetching about having the two highest-ranked teams playing each other in the first round, how about having them play the late game the first day, followed by the early game the next? In my book, teams that EARN the higher ranking before the tournament (and arguably can be expected to play the more difficult game because their opponents are tougher) ought to have the benefit of a longer time to recuperate between games.
I'm okay with playing tOSU right off the bat because I don't really care about the tournament itself so much as the chance to play good opponents, but yeah, this is silly.
The TOSU player did go into the boards and his head hit first. It wasn't super-violent. It gives Stienburg something to think about not doing. It didn't affect the outcome.
Before the game, Mike Schafer spoke to the fans who took part in the pre-game reception. He said (and I missed some points when I was fetching a hot dog and mac & cheese for my all-you-can-eat/drink $50 and was behind the loudspeakers):
* MSG hockey fall 2020 will be Yale. Be so nice to see BC there. We've already done Penn State and Michigan, you want a big school with a sizable NYC alumni contingent. Maybe Wisconsin, they have hockey-crazed fans.
* North Dakota plays at Lynah. (Did I hear that right? Are we finally getting respect?)
* AIC (American International, the one in a lousy section of Springfield Mass., not American University in DC) plays.
* He does not expect Morgan Barron to be back for his senior year. I don't think that's a news flash.
* Schafer continues to hope the Ivies (Cornell at least) would emulate Stanford and go even bigger-time, with scholarships. And he'd like to see the teams play more games. Our son, an athletic trainer at a Connecticut prep school, says his school's U15 team (a HS w/ 4 hockey teams!) is something like 40-6 as of the end of year, vs. Cornell's 10-1 total games played. I know junior teams play way more games and so do non-ECAC teams, but still the difference is crazy. We could have played at least one game the weekend after Christmas, maybe one after exams ended assuming there was still something of a practice schedule.
Ohio State coach Steve Rohlik (Wisconsin '90), is making $440,000, salary and benefits. (Is Schafer making half that?) TOSU athletics budget of $110M is highest in the country.) Schafer made a joke about the LV tourney being good for him as he gets older so he can see retirement communities that are affordable. And then next year we play at (at a tourney at?) Arizona State. (We will not be back at Fortress Invitational 2021 if there is one; this is year 3 I believe.) He's also seen the Gulf Coast of Florida via the Estero tournaments.
Not noted among the contributions of the Cornell freshmen: Lucky #13 Jack Malone got to serve the 5-minute major penalty (& game misconduct) incurred by freshman Matt Stienburg (1G, 15 PIM). They also serve who sit for five.
If you buy a ticket, the box office wants to see a license, a credit card, and an email address, which the guy checks (mine came back as me being from Fort Worth, TX, FWIW), and then he prints out 2 8.5x11 sheets of paper, you sign one, you get one, and about 5 minutes later the next in line can buy a ticket.
Attendance was cited as 3735, or 0.21 of 17,500 T-Mobile Arena capacity. I think Cornell was the 3000 part. The upper level was draped, except for the corner with the Golden Knight, ah, statue or wall relief. TOSU had a rent-a-band. So did we using Desert Pines HS BUT Cornell had the Big Red alumni pep band, too. At least Cornell made the effort. (see photo)
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnImportant Heads Up: Tonight's final is the First Game, at 5:30 Pacific with the Consolation game to follow.
Thanks. It's almost impossible to find out the time from the FI web site since it just lumps the Championship and Consolation rounds together.
To add to my earlier kvetching about having the two highest-ranked teams playing each other in the first round, how about having them play the late game the first day, followed by the early game the next? In my book, teams that EARN the higher ranking before the tournament (and arguably can be expected to play the more difficult game because their opponents are tougher) ought to have the benefit of a longer time to recuperate between games.
I'm okay with playing tOSU right off the bat because I don't really care about the tournament itself so much as the chance to play good opponents, but yeah, this is silly.
Yeah, but a bit of bad puck luck against #2 can pit #1 against the weakest team instead of #3.
And if you read about the home-field advantages Providence, the #4 seed in the Providence Regional, had last spring, when they kicked our ass and Minnesota State's (to a lesser degree), you'd understand why I don't want them to have any more unfair advantages. Admittedly, we were also decimated by injuries last spring, so maybe our relative health (Andreev's illness sucks) combined with PC's losses to the pros, will make up for their extra rest and the relative ease of playing Army. But tonight's time for payback, and I don't want any more administrative bullshit to get in the way.
Quote from: billhowardThe TOSU player did go into the boards and his head hit first. It wasn't super-violent. It gives Stienburg something to think about not doing. It didn't affect the outcome.
The other thing was that Stienburg didn't run straight at him. He crouched a bit as he skated in and came up at him, almost as if he was about to leave his feet and jump at him. He didn't but it was close.
SLB 4 LVK 4 w/ 3 to go in the 3rd. Don't count on Cornell-Providence starting on time.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: billhowardThe TOSU player did go into the boards and his head hit first. It wasn't super-violent. It gives Stienburg something to think about not doing. It didn't affect the outcome.
The other thing was that Stienburg didn't run straight at him. He crouched a bit as he skated in and came up at him, almost as if he was about to leave his feet and jump at him. He didn't but it was close.
You see the kid from BU who goes into the boards 11 seconds into his college career (Travis Roy, 1995, who tussled with a North Dakota player and lost his balance without being pushed in) and is paralyzed, you can see why the referees err on the side of penalizing anything that a play that appears marginally aggressive. And if you know the referees call the close ones ...
Video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2017/06/26/turning-points-travis-roy.cnn
Quote from: billhoward* North Dakota plays at Lynah. (Did I hear that right? Are we finally getting respect?)
It's old news Bill. UND played at Lynah in 2010. We went there the year before.
Not that I like them, or some things about them, but they do have the reputation of traveling anywhere and doing home and away equally. Last year they were at Canisius.
Even though Cornell got the short end of the stick this tournament, I do not think mid-season tournament pairings or scheduling should be determined by ranking. Human rankings are subjective and based on too small a sample size, and PWR are also based on too small a sample size. Cornell had played 11 games coming into the tournament and only three out of conference. That is not enough games to definitively assign them a seed or game-time based on their ranking.
Quote from: BearLoverEven though Cornell got the short end of the stick this tournament, I do not think mid-season tournament pairings or scheduling should be determined by ranking. Human rankings are subjective and based on too small a sample size, and PWR are also based on too small a sample size. Cornell had played 11 games coming into the tournament and only three out of conference. That is not enough games to definitively assign them a seed or game-time based on their ranking.
But what's the alternative?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverEven though Cornell got the short end of the stick this tournament, I do not think mid-season tournament pairings or scheduling should be determined by ranking. Human rankings are subjective and based on too small a sample size, and PWR are also based on too small a sample size. Cornell had played 11 games coming into the tournament and only three out of conference. That is not enough games to definitively assign them a seed or game-time based on their ranking.
But what's the alternative?
Assigning seeds/schedules randomly. Isn't that what they did here? (Also, if early season results count towards midseason tournament seeds, and midseason tournaments count towards end-of-year ranking, that means early season games are double-counted to some degree.)
So much for momentum...
great 6x5 goal from barron to tie. I want to see the near miss from haiskanen again in three closing seconds but I doubt that he does.
this is a pwr tie, right?
Yes it's a tie
Quote from: Cop at LynahYes it's a tie
So how are ties reflected in PWR?
Quote from: DafatoneSo much for momentum...
But maybe a lesson about the risk of taking penalties in close games.
Cornell played well. The five-minute major was tough and too hard to determine whether it was the right call based on the webcast angle. Up to that point, Cornell had really been controlling the play.
Fair to say on the basis of individual skill, Providence was superior? I think Cornell is generally a well-structured, well-trained team but finds it hard to compete in terms of raw talent (penalty shootout for example) I thought all Cornell shootout shots were very easy to save. no deking whatsoever.
Quote from: blackwidowFair to say on the basis of individual skill, Providence was superior? I think Cornell is generally a well-structured, well-trained team but finds it hard to compete in terms of raw talent (penalty shootout for example)
Yes. Providence has far better talent. Cornell plays a smart system and its players are older and stronger than Providence's, but on an individual talent basis Providence is probably a top-five program in the country.
went to the last year's NCAA game against Providence. Glad the team held their own against a worthy opponent. It's games like this one that remind me I must keep my expectations for the team in check. I get too worked up sometimes :/
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: blackwidowFair to say on the basis of individual skill, Providence was superior? I think Cornell is generally a well-structured, well-trained team but finds it hard to compete in terms of raw talent (penalty shootout for example)
Yes. Providence has far better talent. Cornell plays a smart system and its players are older and stronger than Providence's, but on an individual talent basis Providence is probably a top-five program in the country.
Everyone talks about that and how they are taller, but now (finally) looking for speed.
Well by CHN tables, PC players average 85 days younger, 1 inch shorter, and 1.6 pounds lighter. So that's older and stronger? You're going to tell me that those numbers are that much different, as to make a difference.
I think some pundits (This is not meant to single you out BearLover) are still back with the teams from 8-10 years ago and are forgetting that we are a completely different team, playing a different style of play than before. That means our players are also different.
There were two tiers of talent in Las Vegas:
1. Jack Dugan and Morgan Barron
2. Other
I didn't see PU being superior in talent.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: DafatoneSo much for momentum...
But maybe a lesson about the risk of taking penalties in close games.
Penalties are bad. I wasn't watching, only listening, so I can't speak to the call itself.
But a review shouldn't be over ten minutes.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: blackwidowFair to say on the basis of individual skill, Providence was superior? I think Cornell is generally a well-structured, well-trained team but finds it hard to compete in terms of raw talent (penalty shootout for example)
Yes. Providence has far better talent. Cornell plays a smart system and its players are older and stronger than Providence's, but on an individual talent basis Providence is probably a top-five program in the country.
Everyone talks about that and how they are taller, but now (finally) looking for speed.
Well by CHN tables, PC players average 85 days younger, 1 inch shorter, and 1.6 pounds lighter. So that's older and stronger? You're going to tell me that those numbers are that much different, as to make a difference.
I think some pundits (This is not meant to single you out BearLover) are still back with the teams from 8-10 years ago and are forgetting that we are a completely different team, playing a different style of play than before. That means our players are also different.
Per the CHN tables, Cornell is the tallest team in the country. Point taken on the age/pound differential. Cornell has very few seniors on this year's team, so I believe the age gap isn't as great this season. (Providence also has only a couple of seniors, but that's because they had five players leave early last year.) My basis for saying Providence is younger is that, looking at their top players, they mostly played one year of junior hockey before matriculating, whereas the average Cornell player typically plays two years of juniors.
Not much out there.
CBR (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2020/1/5/mens-ice-hockey-providence-recap.aspx)
Friars (https://friars.com/news/2020/1/5/mens-ice-hockey-no-14-mens-hockey-ties-no-2-cornell-claims-fortress-invitational-in-a-shootout.aspx)
At least the LV papers covered it. But if Dugan wasn't such a hero you wonder what they would have done.
Las Vegas Review-Journal (https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/golden-knights-prospect-jack-dugan-leads-providence-to-title-1928586/)
LV Sun (https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jan/05/vgk-draft-pick-dugan-shines-for-provide/)
Providence did a good job on PK, moving the forwards out closer to the blue line, sticks out, and disrupted Cornell's PP. They matched up against Cornell better than Ohio State. Maybe our team shares the distaste for a school that feels compelled to put The in front of Ohio State University.
This team is the best contender for the final four since 2003. We need Morgan Barron to be healthy. Stay aggressive without taking two majors per weekend.
A ten minute review of anything is inexcusable. Hopefully there is some reworking done on the review for a major penalty procedure the next time rules can be addressed. For me, if the refs don't have an immediate "My god, how did we both miss that blatantly obvious major!" reaction to the replay in the first moments of seeing it, there shouldn't be a penalty retroactively called.
The Sun (https://cornellsun.com/2020/01/05/barrons-heroics-help-no-2-mens-hockey-force-draw-against-no-14-providence/)
I already posted the link to the article, but thoght that this quote needed posting.
Quote from: From LV Review-Journal"Going back to last year in the regionals, we had a tough game against them, and then for whatever reason, they always bring their fans out to us," Dugan said. "I knew that they wouldn't like that too much. I kind of thought of it in the moment."
Does he really think that PC is the reason CU fans were there? Talk about feeling high on yourself.
I don't tweet, but someone should tell him it doesn't have anything to do with him or PC. Maybe we should invite him to Lynah.
CHN (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/01/05_Providence,-Cornell-Put-On.php)
USCHO (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/04/gotw-dugans-shootout-winner-gives-providence-championship-over-cornell-at-fortress-invitational/)
Quote from: Jim HylaThe Sun (https://cornellsun.com/2020/01/05/barrons-heroics-help-no-2-mens-hockey-force-draw-against-no-14-providence/)
I already posted the link to the article, but thoght that this quote needed posting.
Quote from: From LV Review-Journal"Going back to last year in the regionals, we had a tough game against them, and then for whatever reason, they always bring their fans out to us," Dugan said. "I knew that they wouldn't like that too much. I kind of thought of it in the moment."
Does he really think that PC is the reason CU fans were there? Talk about feeling high on yourself.
I don't tweet, but someone should tell him it doesn't have anything to do with him or PC. Maybe we should invite him to Lynah.
CHN (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/01/05_Providence,-Cornell-Put-On.php)
USCHO (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/04/gotw-dugans-shootout-winner-gives-providence-championship-over-cornell-at-fortress-invitational/)
While it is a little irksome to me, especially since our fans were mostly positive all weekend, the fact that his first instinct wasn't to look to his teammates to celebrate, but rather to taunt us means that we're still doing our job. The Cornell support was massive and noticeable, and clearly got under some skin on the PC bench.
Anyway, he just lost my oh-so-important TBRW vote for "most respected opponent," so neener-neener on you, dude. Enjoy your tiny trophy.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jim HylaThe Sun (https://cornellsun.com/2020/01/05/barrons-heroics-help-no-2-mens-hockey-force-draw-against-no-14-providence/)
I already posted the link to the article, but thoght that this quote needed posting.
Quote from: From LV Review-Journal"Going back to last year in the regionals, we had a tough game against them, and then for whatever reason, they always bring their fans out to us," Dugan said. "I knew that they wouldn't like that too much. I kind of thought of it in the moment."
Does he really think that PC is the reason CU fans were there? Talk about feeling high on yourself.
I don't tweet, but someone should tell him it doesn't have anything to do with him or PC. Maybe we should invite him to Lynah.
CHN (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/01/05_Providence,-Cornell-Put-On.php)
USCHO (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/04/gotw-dugans-shootout-winner-gives-providence-championship-over-cornell-at-fortress-invitational/)
While it is a little irksome to me, especially since our fans were mostly positive all weekend, the fact that his first instinct wasn't to look to his teammates to celebrate, but rather to taunt us means that we're still doing our job. The Cornell support was massive and noticeable, and clearly got under some skin on the PC bench.
Anyway, he just lost my oh-so-important TBRW vote for "most respected opponent," so neener-neener on you, dude. Enjoy your tiny trophy.
Good point.
Quote from: billhowardProvidence did a good job on PK, moving the forwards out closer to the blue line, sticks out, and disrupted Cornell's PP. They matched up against Cornell better than Ohio State. Maybe our team shares the distaste for a school that feels compelled to put The in front of Ohio State University.
This team is the best contender for the final four since 2003. We need Morgan Barron to be healthy. Stay aggressive without taking two majors per weekend.
What I said at one point during the game was that PC had really active sticks on defense. It made us look sloppy.
As to penalty reviews (all reviews for that matter), there should be a time limit. If they can't make a decision in five minutes, the play stands as called on the ice. Move along.
Quote from: Jim HylaDoes he really think that PC is the reason CU fans were there? Talk about feeling high on yourself.
I don't tweet, but someone should tell him it doesn't have anything to do with him or PC. Maybe we should invite him to Lynah.
tbh it sounds like a mangled quote and he was making the point that Cornell fans ride the opposing players hard.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: billhowardProvidence did a good job on PK, moving the forwards out closer to the blue line, sticks out, and disrupted Cornell's PP. They matched up against Cornell better than Ohio State. Maybe our team shares the distaste for a school that feels compelled to put The in front of Ohio State University.
This team is the best contender for the final four since 2003. We need Morgan Barron to be healthy. Stay aggressive without taking two majors per weekend.
What I said at one point during the game was that PC had really active sticks on defense. It made us look sloppy.
Providence did the same thing to us last spring in the regionals. We need to be prepared for this as we progress through March.
Watching the game I thought we were becoming fatigued, what with playing the late game the previous evening and having to kill two majors literally in less than a day. Leaman said he thought his team got better as the game went on. I think a major reason for this was that we got worse (tired). The second period is usually our strongest period because we usually tire out the opponent during the first half of the game and take advantage of them during the 2nd period; we then gain a lead and defend it very well. But the major took away almost 25% of the the second period and gave them the lead. We played from behind and just did not seem to have
the zip and sharpness they had during the OSU game and in the first period against Providence.
Quote from: SwampyWatching the game I thought we were becoming fatigued, what with playing the late game the previous evening and having to kill two majors literally in less than a day.
I agree, though it is hard to determine this while watching a broadcast. It also made the extra attacker goal that much more impressive.
Quote from: TrotskyThere were two tiers of talent in Las Vegas:
1. Jack Dugan and Morgan Barron
2. Other
I didn't see PU being superior in talent.
They are - but that's fine. The better comparison is Barron to Tyce Thompson. Thompson is a monster. Dugan is off by himself skill wise. Then you add in Parker Ford, a very skilled center who came off the plane from the World Juniors to play Saturday, and dominated the faceoff circle, and was tough to handle.
Cornell is deeper (this year) - and has a slightly better goalie. These are two of the best teams in the country - mirror images to a large extent, at least coaching wise, and I hope to hell Cornell doesn't have to play them again in the NCAAs unless it's the championship game.
I wonder how much the 3-1/2-hour time difference makes. You can't just go back and look to history if a tournament 1-seed is the one playing the earlier game. Could Providence be - is this heresy? - better-conditioned? Was Providence the better team?
An unfair advantage from a generation ago was the NCAAs had the semifinals Thursday (1-seed) and Friday, then the title game Saturday.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyThere were two tiers of talent in Las Vegas:
1. Jack Dugan and Morgan Barron
2. Other
I didn't see PU being superior in talent.
They are - but that's fine. The better comparison is Barron to Tyce Thompson. Thompson is a monster. Dugan is off by himself skill wise. Then you add in Parker Ford, a very skilled center who came off the plane from the World Juniors to play Saturday, and dominated the faceoff circle, and was tough to handle.
Cornell is deeper (this year) - and has a slightly better goalie. These are two of the best teams in the country - mirror images to a large extent, at least coaching wise, and I hope to hell Cornell doesn't have to play them again in the NCAAs unless it's the championship game.
Usually we hold our own on faceoffs, but PU, and especially Ford, dominated us at the dot. If we play them again we'll need to do better. I believe Andreev is pretty solid on faceoffs (I don't have time right now to look it up), so his absence may have really hurt us on Saturday.
Since anything beyond the first OT wasn't official, I think the tournament officials should have had more fun with it. Maybe have them play broomball for an OT, and play with multiple pucks. Live a little!
Quote from: French RageSince anything beyond the first OT wasn't official, I think the tournament officials should have had more fun with it. Maybe have them play broomball for an OT, and play with multiple pucks. Live a little!
Go across the plaza and play a deck of Casino War. Makes as much sense as a shootout.
Cannot help but wonder how likely it is for Barron to go pro after this season. I so badly want him to stay :/
Quote from: blackwidowCannot help but wonder how likely it is for Barron to go pro after this season. I so badly want him to stay :/
It only makes sense for him to stay if the Rangers have some super bottleneck and tell him to.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyThere were two tiers of talent in Las Vegas:
1. Jack Dugan and Morgan Barron
2. Other
I didn't see PU being superior in talent.
They are - but that's fine. The better comparison is Barron to Tyce Thompson. Thompson is a monster. Dugan is off by himself skill wise. Then you add in Parker Ford, a very skilled center who came off the plane from the World Juniors to play Saturday, and dominated the faceoff circle, and was tough to handle.
Cornell is deeper (this year) - and has a slightly better goalie. These are two of the best teams in the country - mirror images to a large extent, at least coaching wise, and I hope to hell Cornell doesn't have to play them again in the NCAAs unless it's the championship game.
Usually we hold our own on faceoffs, but PU, and especially Ford, dominated us at the dot. If we play them again we'll need to do better. I believe Andreev is pretty solid on faceoffs (I don't have time right now to look it up), so his absence may have really hurt us on Saturday.
Faceoff stats. (https://cornellbigred.com/documents/2019/11/2/mih_1920_season.pdf) Andreev is actually one of our weaker faceoff guys.
USCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
Quote from: JimIt was ironic to me that the two teams that play in a league without 3-on-3 overtime or shootouts ended up playing in such a situation for the tournament's championship. I will say that neither coach – Providence's Nate Leaman and Cornell's Mike Schafer – enjoyed the title game being decided in a shootout. Both said they would have preferred playing overtime until there was a winner.
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
Quote from: Jim HylaUSCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
I must be the exception. I don't find fighting OR shootouts to be thrilling! Shootouts are an abomination to hockey. This is a team game; shootouts are individual efforts. It makes no sense!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: blackwidowCannot help but wonder how likely it is for Barron to go pro after this season. I so badly want him to stay :/
It only makes sense for him to stay if the Rangers have some super bottleneck and tell him to.
The story I got was he's of really mixed feelings. But I'd be shocked if he stays.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: Jim HylaUSCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
I must be the exception. I don't find fighting OR shootouts to be thrilling! Shootouts are an abomination to hockey. This is a team game; shootouts are individual efforts. It makes no sense!
+1
Quote from: rediceQuote from: Jim HylaUSCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
I must be the exception. I don't find fighting OR shootouts to be thrilling! Shootouts are an abomination to hockey. This is a team game; shootouts are individual efforts. It makes no sense!
You are not the exception. The few remaining fans who like fighting can DIAF and the people who like shootouts are either under 12 years old or football fans who wandered into the wrong venue.
Quote from: Jim HylaUSCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
Quote from: JimIt was ironic to me that the two teams that play in a league without 3-on-3 overtime or shootouts ended up playing in such a situation for the tournament's championship. I will say that neither coach – Providence's Nate Leaman and Cornell's Mike Schafer – enjoyed the title game being decided in a shootout. Both said they would have preferred playing overtime until there was a winner.
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
Which is why the championship game should be the 2nd game. Let them play to a winner.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: blackwidowCannot help but wonder how likely it is for Barron to go pro after this season. I so badly want him to stay :/
It only makes sense for him to stay if the Rangers have some super bottleneck and tell him to.
There is zero chance the Rangers tell him to. They wouldn't want to risk losing him to free agency. Barron could choose to (I doubt it), but the Rangers won't tell him to.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: Jim HylaUSCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
I must be the exception. I don't find fighting OR shootouts to be thrilling! Shootouts are an abomination to hockey. This is a team game; shootouts are individual efforts. It makes no sense!
I don't find fighting thrilling, nor any other positive feeling. However shootouts can be exciting, if not really thrilling. (I feel sad for those that get their "thrills" from fighting or shootouts. I prefer other thrills.)
But exciting or thrilling be damned, I agree shootouts make no sense. It's far better to end up with a tie in a midseason tourney, where the game went on for so long that both coaches agree that quitting and calling it a draw made more sense. That was exciting.
I was at the Canadians game sat night and it was pretty clear in that crowd that the majority wanted to see a shootout..
i think shootouts are fun and exciting but i dont want to see tourney final decided by one unless they played at least 1 period of real hockey.
I'm probably just anxious, but an endless overtime in a game that doesn't matter would just cause me to stress out about potential injuries.
Quote from: DafatoneI'm probably just anxious, but an endless overtime in a game that doesn't matter would just cause me to stress out about potential injuries.
yes. this. if *all* games play to a conclusion, sure. but "Fortress Invitational" does not carry enough emotional weight with me to care if they get to skate a lap with the Pai Gow Chalice if the game is still tied after 65 minutes.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jim HylaUSCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
Quote from: JimIt was ironic to me that the two teams that play in a league without 3-on-3 overtime or shootouts ended up playing in such a situation for the tournament's championship. I will say that neither coach – Providence's Nate Leaman and Cornell's Mike Schafer – enjoyed the title game being decided in a shootout. Both said they would have preferred playing overtime until there was a winner.
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
Which is why the championship game should be the 2nd game. Let them play to a winner.
+1
Quote from: upprdeckI was at the Canadians game sat night and it was pretty clear in that crowd that the majority wanted to see a shootout..
i think shootouts are fun and exciting but i dont want to see tourney final decided by one unless they played at least 1 period of real hockey.
They probably wanted to see a shootout because that's what they're used to seeing in that league......
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jim HylaUSCHO's TMQ Column with the following quote. (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/07/tmq-shootouts-might-be-fun-but-how-do-they-benefit-college-hockey/)
Quote from: JimIt was ironic to me that the two teams that play in a league without 3-on-3 overtime or shootouts ended up playing in such a situation for the tournament's championship. I will say that neither coach – Providence's Nate Leaman and Cornell's Mike Schafer – enjoyed the title game being decided in a shootout. Both said they would have preferred playing overtime until there was a winner.
And this:
Quote from: PaulaI agree with both Leaman and Schafer. Have the teams play until there's a winner during in-season tournament play. I know that fans find a shootout thrilling, but they find fighting thrilling, too, and no one is making an argument for more fighting in college hockey just to make the game more exciting to fans.
Which is why the championship game should be the 2nd game. Let them play to a winner.
+1
Quote from: rediceQuote from: upprdeckI was at the Canadians game sat night and it was pretty clear in that crowd that the majority wanted to see a shootout..
i think shootouts are fun and exciting but i dont want to see tourney final decided by one unless they played at least 1 period of real hockey.
They probably wanted to see a shootout because that's what they're used to seeing in that league......
Shootouts can be exciting, just never for a championship, in season or end of season.
Quote from: DafatoneI'm probably just anxious, but an endless overtime in a game that doesn't matter would just cause me to stress out about potential injuries.
Could be worse, the World Cup used to make teams come back the next day to replay the game if it was a knockout round.
Shootouts are entertaining. Have a shootout at the beginning of the game and then play the game. If the teams are tied at the end of regulation the team which won the shootout is the loser since shootout goals are bogus hockey.Everybody goes home happy.
I tried to cancel the monthly renewal of my FloHockey account, just to be sure, and the site did not accept my email/pwd. I have sent them a direct email to cancel and confirm. Anyway, you others who used the service might want to try same.
I canceled mine with no problem this afternoon
Quote from: TrotskyI tried to cancel the monthly renewal of my FloHockey account, just to be sure, and the site did not accept my email/pwd. I have sent them a direct email to cancel and confirm. Anyway, you others who used the service might want to try same.
Notify your bank. That will get Flo's attention!
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyI tried to cancel the monthly renewal of my FloHockey account, just to be sure, and the site did not accept my email/pwd. I have sent them a direct email to cancel and confirm. Anyway, you others who used the service might want to try same.
Notify your bank. That will get Flo's attention!
that's a pain in the ass for everyone. they have good customer service response in my experience.
Looks like debate over shady Flowrestling subscription tactics is leaking to elynah ;)....they could make it easier to cancel.
Quote from: cu155Looks like debate over shady Flowrestling subscription tactics is leaking to elynah ;)....they could make it easier to cancel.
I posted at the time I did this, to try to help others, but I canceled literally within a minute of when I bought the subscription. I knew I didn't need it beyond the month, and canceling at purchase time still gave me the month, of course.
Edit: My post from earlier in this thread:
Quote from: andyw2100I also just purchased a month of Flo access. I then immediately looked for a way to prevent the next monthly charge. The way to accomplish this is to cancel your subscription. On the last screen before cancellation it warns that you will lose access after February 3, which is fine. (I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose access immediately.)
There's no reason not to cancel immediately. If for some reason you change your mind and want to continue after a month you can just subscribe again. It's a better approach than forgetting about it and being hit with a $30 charge because you forgot you had started a recurring payment subscription.
Quote from: cu155Looks like debate over shady Flowrestling subscription tactics is leaking to elynah ;)....they could make it easier to cancel.
lol
Quote from: andyw2100I also just purchased a month of Flo access. I then immediately looked for a way to prevent the next monthly charge. The way to accomplish this is to cancel your subscription. On the last screen before cancellation it warns that you will lose access after February 3, which is fine. (I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose access immediately.)
There's no reason not to cancel immediately. If for some reason you change your mind and want to continue after a month you can just subscribe again. It's a better approach than forgetting about it and being hit with a $30 charge because you forgot you had started a recurring payment subscription.
So in spite of the action I recommended above, and took myself, I just noticed that Flohockey charged my credit card the following two months! I'll be contacting them now to demand refunds.
I'm posting this as a warning to any of you who may also be being charged and may not be noticing it, because you knew you had canceled.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: andyw2100I also just purchased a month of Flo access. I then immediately looked for a way to prevent the next monthly charge. The way to accomplish this is to cancel your subscription. On the last screen before cancellation it warns that you will lose access after February 3, which is fine. (I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose access immediately.)
There's no reason not to cancel immediately. If for some reason you change your mind and want to continue after a month you can just subscribe again. It's a better approach than forgetting about it and being hit with a $30 charge because you forgot you had started a recurring payment subscription.
So in spite of the action I recommended above, and took myself, I just noticed that Flohockey charged my credit card the following two months! I'll be contacting them now to demand refunds.
I'm posting this as a warning to any of you who may also be being charged and may not be noticing it, because you knew you had canceled.
I politely asked for a refund and pointed out that:
1) I had thought I canceled the service immediately.
2) If I didn't in fact cancel this was due to the many steps on the web confusing me.
3) I never signed on after I watched those two games (not even to record the cheerleaders for posterity).
They immediately agreed to post a credit which I did receive.
Quote from: martyI politely asked for a refund and pointed out that:
1) I had thought I canceled the service immediately.
2) If I didn't in fact cancel this was due to the many steps on the web confusing me.
3) I never signed on after I watched those two games (not even to record the cheerleaders for posterity).
They immediately agreed to post a credit which I did receive.
Thanks, Marty.
I tried to call, but eventually got a message stating they couldn't answer my call, and suggesting that I leave a message or contact them through their website. I did then contact them through their website, noting that I had canceled immediately, and offering to show them my posts here which support that. I also pointed out that they could see that until today, when I logged in to make sure the subscription really was canceled, I had not logged in since the Fortress Invitational.
I received an auto-response, with a case number, so I then responded to that with a couple of screenshots of my posts.
I can't imagine they will give me a hard time.
Thanks!
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: martyI politely asked for a refund and pointed out that:
1) I had thought I canceled the service immediately.
2) If I didn't in fact cancel this was due to the many steps on the web confusing me.
3) I never signed on after I watched those two games (not even to record the cheerleaders for posterity).
They immediately agreed to post a credit which I did receive.
Thanks, Marty.
I tried to call, but eventually got a message stating they couldn't answer my call, and suggesting that I leave a message or contact them through their website. I did then contact them through their website, noting that I had canceled immediately, and offering to show them my posts here which support that. I also pointed out that they could see that until today, when I logged in to make sure the subscription really was canceled, I had not logged in since the Fortress Invitational.
I received an auto-response, with a case number, so I then responded to that with a couple of screenshots of my posts.
I can't imagine they will give me a hard time.
Thanks!
my experience is they will not. busy time at flo right now because they are covering a LOT of wrestling this weekend.
well worth it to keep it going with lots of other hockey to watch since then and tonight the wrestling matches were on to watch
Quote from: andyw2100I received an auto-response, with a case number, so I then responded to that with a couple of screenshots of my posts.
I can't imagine they will give me a hard time.
Thanks!
They have responded by email to say they have issued credits.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: andyw2100I received an auto-response, with a case number, so I then responded to that with a couple of screenshots of my posts.
I can't imagine they will give me a hard time.
Thanks!
They have responded by email to say they have issued credits.
It is a weird model to make it near impossible to do what you and I attempted only to give us refunds when we ask.