Yeah I know, who cares. But "for completeness sake" here it is.
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - September 16, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (15) 0-0-0 150 1
2 Minnesota 0-0-0 133 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 0-0-0 115 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 0-0-0 96 5
[b][u]5 Cornell 0-0-0 89 4
6 Princeton 0-0-0 67 7[/u][/b]
7 Boston University 0-0-0 48 8
8 Boston College 0-0-0 45 6
9 Ohio State 0-0-0 40 9
10 Minnesota Duluth 0-0-0 14 NR
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Colgate 13[/u][/b], Providence 7,
[b][u]St. Lawrence 3, Harvard 2[/u][/b], Syracuse 2, Robert Morris 1
I care, anyway. Thank you!
Who'd Northeastern have to lick (in a gender-neutral sense) to move up from 5 to 4 without anyone playing a single game?
We may have enhanced the ceramic Dalmatian visual...
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - September 30, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota Duluth(49) 0-0-0 996 1
2 Denver 0-0-0 891 3
3 Minnesota State (1) 0-0-0 788 6
4 Massachusetts 0-0-0 737 2
[b][u]5 Cornell 0-0-0 673 8[/u][/b]
6 St. Cloud 0-0-0 566 5
7 Providence 0-0-0 550 4
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 0-0-0 526 7[/u][/b]
9 Notre Dame 0-0-0 509 10
[b][u]10 Clarkson 0-0-0 500 11[/u][/b]
11 Boston College 0-0-0 466 NR
12 Ohio State 0-0-0 449 12
13 Penn State 0-0-0 406 17
14 Western Michigan 0-0-0 371 18
15 Northeastern 0-0-0 359 9
16 Wisconsin 0-0-0 300 NR
17 Bowling Green 0-0-0 283 13
18 North Dakota 0-0-0 211 20
[b][u]19 Harvard 0-0-0 195 14[/u][/b]
20 Arizona State 0-0-0 181 15
Others receiving votes: Minnesota 142, AIC 116, Boston University 94,
UMass Lowell 88, Michigan 40, Northern Michigan 20, Colorado College 9,
[b][u]Brown 9[/u][/b], Omaha 7, [b][u]Dartmouth 6[/u][/b], Maine 3, Bemidji State 3,
Lake Superior 3, [b][u]Union 1[/u][/b], Air Force 1, Niagara 1
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - September 30, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (15) 2-0-0 150 1
2 Minnesota 2-0-0 134 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 2-0-0 116 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 0-0-0 102 4
[b][u]5 Cornell 0-0-0 83 5
6 Princeton 0-0-0 73 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 2-0-0 55 8
8 Boston University 0-0-0 45 7
9 Ohio State 2-0-0 42 9
10 Minnesota Duluth 0-0-0 11 10
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 7,
Providence 3, [b][u]Harvard 2, Colgate 1[/u][/b], Syracuse 1
5. Very nice. And 3 ECAC in the top 10.
Wow. I hope we can live up to it.
Though I expect we'll drop a few slots before we even play a game.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Wow. I hope we can live up to it.
Though I expect we'll drop a few slots before we even play a game.
Kinda hard to judge (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_Block.html) but I'd say we'll be looking at 8 or 9 when we open.
This is the highest we have been in the initial poll since 4th in 2007.
Quote from: TrotskyThis is the highest we have been in the initial poll since 4th in 2007.
Yeee... That is
not an auspicious analogue.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyThis is the highest we have been in the initial poll since 4th in 2007.
Yeee... That is not an auspicious analogue.
I just report em.
But it's not a bad thing to remember nothing is ever a cinch. We should be fighting for every point from the first puck drop because things do happen, as we found out with Matt.
.....hate starting so high.
We are 5 in the USA Today, too.
FWIW, CHN has us at #9.
I hate posting USA polls.
[b]Preseason USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
September 30, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 Univer Minnesota Duluth 508 (32) 1 29-11-2
2 University of Denver 446 (2) 3 24-12-5
3 University Massachusetts371 2 31-10-0
4 Minnesota State Univer 325 6 32-8-2
[b][u]5 Cornell University 268 10 21-11-4[/u][/b]
6 Providence College 256 4 24-12-6
7 Boston College 231 NR 14-22-3
8 St Cloud State Univer 207 5 30-6-3
9 Penn State University 201 NR 22-15-2
10 University of Notre Dame177 12 23-14-3
[b][u]11 Quinnipiac University 169 7 26-10-2
12 Clarkson University 158 8 26-11-2[/u][/b]
13 Ohio State University 155 11 20-11-5
14 Northeastern University 124 9 27-11-1
15 Western Michigan Univer 121 NR 21-15-1
Others receiving votes: Wisconsin 114, Bowling Green 64, [b][u]Harvard 50,[/u][/b]
North Dakota 36, Minnesota 34, Arizona State 30,
Boston University 20, AIC 7, [b][u]Brown 4[/u][/b], Michigan 4.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
October 1, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 University of Wisconsin 190 (19) 1 2-0-0
2 University of Minnesota 171 2 2-0-0
[b][u]3 Clarkson University 147 3 2-0-0[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern University 128 4 0-0-0
[b][u]5 Cornell University 109 5 0-0-0
6 Princeton University 90 6 0-0-0[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 69 8 2-0-0
8 Ohio State University 59 9 2-0-0
9 Boston University 53 7 0-0-0
10 Univer Minnesota Duluth 19 NR 0-0-0
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 5, [b][u]Harvard 2[/u][/b], Providence 2, [b][u]Colgate 1[/u][/b].
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82FWIW, CHN has us at #9.
Thanks.
Here is their prediction (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2019/10/01_CHN-Preseason-Top-10.php) and the Cornell blurb:
1. Minn-Duluth
2. Denver
3. Minn-Mankato
4. Notre Dame
5. BC
6. Massachusetts
7. Providence
8. Penn State
9. [color=#d61616]Cornell[/color]
10. Clarkson QuoteRavaged by injuries for most of the 2018-19 season, Cornell still enjoyed a remarkable year. A regular-season ECAC title, playoff championship game appearance and NCAA tournament bid (and one win) were all well-earned. And most of the players that made Cornell successful last season return to Ithaca for another chance to get the Big Red back to the Frozen Four. Mitch Vanderlaan was an important presence for Cornell even if his production is ultimately replaceable. Morgan Barron will be looked upon to make a leap offensively. Matt Nuttle and Alex McCrea played big minutes on the blue line and will be missed, but Yanni Kaldis, Alex Green and goalie Matt Galajda return. And Mike Schafer has repeatedly shown an ability to plug and play with his lineup and system. This year will be no different.
It's interesting that we made jumps from the final 2019 poll in both USCHO (8 to 5) and USA Hockey (10 to 5) while nobody else did except BC. Maybe it signifies us holding our place while other schools lost significant strength and dropped below us. Maybe it indicates that we have a larger number of players who are expected to blossom. It could be the freshman class but while they look strong I don't think they are that heralded.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - October 7, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota Duluth(39) 0-0-0 978 1
2 Denver (10) 2-0-0 927 2
3 Minnesota State (1) 0-0-0 844 3
4 Massachusetts 0-0-0 767 4
[b][u]5 Cornell 0-0-0 747 5[/u][/b]
6 Providence 1-0-0 651 7
7 St. Cloud 0-0-0 630 6
8 Notre Dame 0-0-0 550 9
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 0-0-0 528 8[/u][/b]
10 Boston College 0-0-0 522 11
[b][u]11 Clarkson 0-0-0 510 10[/u][/b]
12 Ohio State 0-0-0 460 12
13 Penn State 0-0-0 436 13
14 Western Michigan 0-0-0 375 14
15 Northeastern 0-0-0 302 15
16 Wisconsin 0-0-0 286 16
17 Bowling Green 1-0-0 258 17
18 North Dakota 0-0-0 153 18
[b][u]19 Harvard 0-0-0 114 19[/u][/b]
20 Boston University 1-0-0 95 NR
Others receiving votes: UMass Lowell 83, AIC 80, Minnesota 53,
Michigan 45, Arizona State 40, Lake Superior 18, [b][u]Brown 12[/u][/b],
Northern Michigan 12, Colorado College 7, Michigan Tech 7,
[b][u]Dartmouth 5[/u][/b], Mercyhurst 2, Niagara 2, Air Force 1
USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
October 7, 2019
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 Univer Minnesota Duluth 495 (33) 1 0-0-0
2 University of Denver 448 2 2-0-0
3 Minnesota State Univer 358 4 0-0-0
[b][u]4 Cornell University 327 5 0-0-0[/u][/b]
5 Univer Massachusetts 318 3 0-0-0
6 Boston College 283 7 0-0-0
7 Providence College 253 6 1-0-0
8 St Cloud State Univer 218 8 0-0-0
9 University of Notre Dame216 10 0-0-0
10 Penn State University 204 9 0-0-0
[b][u]11 Clarkson University 180 12 0-0-0[/u][/b]
12 Western Michigan Univer 134 15 0-0-0
[b][u]13 Quinnipiac University 128 11 0-0-0[/u][/b]
14 Ohio State University 121 13 0-0-0
15 University of Wisconsin 96 NR 0-0-0
Others receiving votes: Northeastern 67, Bowling Green 31, [b][u]Harvard 22[/u][/b],
Minnesota 18, North Dakota 12, Boston University 12, UMass Lowell 10,
Arizona State 4, [b][u]Brown 4[/u][/b], American International 2.
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - October 7, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (15) 4-0-0 150 1
2 Minnesota 4-0-0 134 2
3 Northeastern 1-0-0 110 4
[b][u]4 Clarkson 3-1-0 107 3
5 Cornell 0-0-0 75 5
6 Princeton 0-0-0 73 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 4-0-0 54 7
8 Ohio State 4-0-0 52 9
9 Minnesota Duluth 1-1-0 31 10
10 Boston University 1-0-0 29 8
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 5, [b][u]Harvard 2[/u][/b],
Syracuse 1, [b][u]Colgate 1[/u][/b], Mercyhurst 1
We start the season fifth in the polls. Same argument as previous years: Cornell plays hard and sometimes moves up. Cornell doesn't play - late start to the season, or over the semester break - and we always move up. Plus no injuries with that strategy. In those no-games periods, maybe ESPN can create Deepfake games where we play Harvard and win every one in an exciting come from behind.
I like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Quote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
But RPI didn't make the list. ;-)
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
But RPI didn't make the list. ;-)
Yes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Colgate did not look very good vs RIT sat night.
ECAC teams seem to struggle in early games against power conference opponents. For Ivies this makes sense -- Ivy game n is often non-Ivy opponent's game n + 4. Those differences are most pronounced early. It doesn't explain non-Ivy ECAC members' struggles.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
October 8, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 University of Wisconsin 190 (19) 1 4-0-0
2 University of Minnesota 171 2 4-0-0
3 Northeastern University 140 4 1-0-0
[b][u]4 Clarkson University 135 3 3-1-0
5 Cornell University 90 5 0-0-0
6 Princeton University 83 6 0-0-0[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 71 7 4-0-0
8 Ohio State University 68 8 4-0-0
9 Univer Minnesota Duluth 56 10 1-1-0
10 Boston University 34 9 1-0-0
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 3[/u][/b], Robert Morris 3,
[b][u]Colgate 2[/u][/b], Mercyhurst 2.
Quote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
But RPI didn't make the list. ;-)
Yes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Agreed.
Quote from: martyYes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Not just losing. Losing 5-0 and 7-3.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyYes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Not just losing. Losing 5-0 and 7-3.
Trotsky, twice in one week? ::bugeye::
The Army score was Army 3, Union 2 (after Union going up 2-1 on a SHG).
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyYes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Not just losing. Losing 5-0 and 7-3.
Trotsky, twice in one week? ::bugeye::
The Army score was Army 3, Union 2 (after Union going up 2-1 on a SHG).
My mistake. Friday was the chicks.
Quote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
It was exam week in Hamden.
USA polls aren't out yet. At least not on USCHO yet.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - October 14, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Denver (38) 4-0-0 979 2
2 Minnesota State (8) 2-0-0 918 3
3 Minnesota Duluth(3) 1-1-0 882 1
4 Massachusetts 1-0-0 784 4
[b][u]5 Cornell 0-0-0 715 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 2-0-0 649 10
7 Notre Dame 2-0-0 608 8
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 2-0-0 598 9[/u][/b]
9 Penn State (1) 2-0-0 509 13
[b][u]10 Clarkson 1-0-1 506 11[/u][/b]
11 St. Cloud 0-0-2 499 7
12 Ohio State 1-0-1 477 12
13 Providence 1-1-0 453 6
14 Western Michigan 1-0-1 401 14
15 Northeastern 2-0-0 349 15
16 North Dakota 2-0-0 278 18
17 Wisconsin 1-1-0 273 16
18 UMass Lowell 3-1-0 204 NR
[b][u]19 Harvard 0-0-0 130 19[/u][/b]
20 Boston University 1-0-0 119 20
Others receiving votes: Bowling Green 71, Minnesota 33, [b][u]Brown 11[/u][/b],
Colorado College 11, Northern Michigan 8, Michigan 7, Omaha 6,
[b][u]Dartmouth 5[/u][/b], RIT 4, AIC 4, Robert Morris 2, Arizona State 2,
Mercyhurst 2, Lake Superior 1, Alaska 1, Bemidji State 1
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - October 14, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (14) 6-0-0 149 1
2 Minnesota (1) 6-0-0 136 2
3 Northeastern 3-0-0 108 3
[b][u]4 Clarkson 3-1-0 105 4
5 Cornell 0-0-0 87 5
6 Princeton 0-0-0 71 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 4-0-0 58 7
8 Minnesota Duluth 3-1-0 45 9
9 Ohio State 4-2-0 42 8
10 Robert Morris 2-2-0 9 NR
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 6[/u][/b], Boston University 4,
Syracuse 3, New Hampshire 1, Mercyhurst 1
Quote from: Jim HylaUSA polls aren't out yet. At least not on USCHO yet.
We've moved up to 4 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-mens/) in USA Hockey. No first place votes. Yet.
Edit: That was last week as I continue my freefall into senility.
Quote from: TrotskyECAC teams seem to struggle in early games against power conference opponents. For Ivies this makes sense -- Ivy game n is often non-Ivy opponent's game n + 4. Those differences are most pronounced early. It doesn't explain non-Ivy ECAC members' struggles.
Isn't the differential 7? Ivy limit 29, ECAC limit 32, others limit 36? Or am I remembering wrong? Denver's already 4 games in.
if we can hold off not playing for another 2-3 weeks we could probably get to first place
Quote from: upprdeckif we can hold off not playing for another 2-3 weeks we could probably get to first place
If we can play nothing until April, we could wind up #1 and win the NC!
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: TrotskyECAC teams seem to struggle in early games against power conference opponents. For Ivies this makes sense -- Ivy game n is often non-Ivy opponent's game n + 4. Those differences are most pronounced early. It doesn't explain non-Ivy ECAC members' struggles.
Isn't the differential 7? Ivy limit 29, ECAC limit 32, others limit 36? Or am I remembering wrong? Denver's already 4 games in.
IINM the differential now is 5 (29/32/34*) but not all of that is expended by early games. Factory schools also work in an extra weekend during the season, probably with a shorter winter break.
* The games in Alaska may still not count towards the limit in which case those conferences' limit is effectively 36.
USA Polls list CU Men and Women at #5. Hopefully the results will make the USCHO page soon.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll[/b]
School Points(First)Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 University of Denver 497 (28)2 4-0-0 3
2 Univer Minnesota Duluth 444 (2) 1 1-0-1 3
3 Minnesota State Univer 428 (3) 3 2-0-0 3
4 Univer of Massachusetts 346 5 1-0-0 3
[b][u]5 Cornell University 337 4 0-0-0 3[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 331 6 2-0-0 3
7 Notre Dame University 276 9 2-0-0 3
8 Penn State University 222 (1) 10 2-0-0 3
[b][u]9 Clarkson University 189 11 1-0-1 3
10 Quinnipiac University 180 13 2-0-0 3[/u][/b]
11 St. Cloud State Univer 153 8 0-0-2 3
12 Providence College 138 7 1-1-0 3
13 Ohio State University 134 14 1-0-1 3
14 Northeastern University 112 NR 2-0-0 2
15 Western Michigan Univer 93 12 1-0-1 3
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University, 35[/u][/b];
University of North Dakota, 35; University of Wisconsin, 35;
University of Minnesota, 24; University of Massachusetts-Lowell, 14;
Bowling Green University, 15; Air Force Academy, 13;
Boston University, 9; [b][u]Brown University, 3[/u][/b]
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll[/b]
School Points(First)Last Week Record Weeks in Top 10
1. University of Wisconsin, 190(19)1 6-0-0 4
2. University of Minnesota, 170 2 6-0-0 4
3. Northeastern University, 143 3 3-0-0 4
[b][u]4. Clarkson University, 131 4 3-1-0 4
5. Cornell University, 108 5 0-0-0 4
6. Princeton University, 91 6 0-0-0 4[/u][/b]
7. Boston College, 78 7 4-0-0 4
8. Univer Minnesota Duluth, 59 9 3-1-0 3
9. Ohio State University, 50 8 4-2-0 4
10. Robert Morris University, 9 NR 2-2-0 1
Others Receiving Votes: Boston University, 5; [b][u]Harvard University, 5[/u][/b];
Mercyhurst University, 2; University of New Hampshire, 2; Syracuse University, 1.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: TrotskyECAC teams seem to struggle in early games against power conference opponents. For Ivies this makes sense -- Ivy game n is often non-Ivy opponent's game n + 4. Those differences are most pronounced early. It doesn't explain non-Ivy ECAC members' struggles.
Isn't the differential 7? Ivy limit 29, ECAC limit 32, others limit 36? Or am I remembering wrong? Denver's already 4 games in.
IINM the differential now is 5 (29/32/34*) but not all of that is expended by early games. Factory schools also work in an extra weekend during the season, probably with a shorter winter break.
* The games in Alaska may still not count towards the limit in which case those conferences' limit is effectively 36.
The ECAC does not have a 32-game limit. I vaguely recall that there was such a limit at one time, but the non-Ivy ECAC schools can and do play 34 games. I am pretty sure that the Alaska exemption still exists.
I thought that the mandatory break was an NCAA rule, but that could be the ECAC.
Quote from: ursusminormandatory break was an NCAA rule, but that could be the ECAC.
Tied to Xmas/New Years or each school's exam schedule? For example, Dartmouth had (has?) trimesters so their exam schedule was (is?) all sorts of fucked up.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: upprdeckif we can hold off not playing for another 2-3 weeks we could probably get to first place
If we can play nothing until April, we could wind up #1 and win the NC!
2nd undefeated season!
Quote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
But RPI didn't make the list. ;-)
Yes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Union is now perfect on the year. The Union football team is 6-0 and the Union hockey team is 0-6.
Quote from: martyQuote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
But RPI didn't make the list. ;-)
Yes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Dioes that average out to 0.500?
Union is now perfect on the year. The Union football team is 6-0 and the Union hockey team is 0-6.
Quote from: martyQuote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
But RPI didn't make the list. ;-)
Yes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Union is now perfect on the year. The Union football team is 6-0 and the Union hockey team is 0-6.
Question is could the Union football team beat the Union hockey team on ice?
I'll do USA Polls once they're available.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - October 21, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Denver (47) 6-0-0 996 1
2 Minnesota State (3) 3-0-1 948 2
3 Massachusetts 3-1-0 824 4
[b][u]4 Cornell 0-0-0 796 5[/u][/b]
5 Notre Dame 2-0-0 691 7
6 Wisconsin 3-1-0 617 17
7 Providence 3-1-0 611 13
8 Minnesota Duluth 1-3-0 601 3
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 3-1-0 549 8[/u][/b]
10 Boston College 2-2-0 524 6
11 Northeastern 3-0-1 502 15
12 Penn State 3-1-0 459 9
[b][u]13 Clarkson 2-1-1 436 10[/u][/b]
14 St. Cloud 0-0-2 404 11
15 Ohio State 2-1-1 352 12
16 North Dakota 2-1-1 290 16
17 Bowling Green 3-2-0 187 NR
18 Western Michigan 1-2-1 168 14
[b][u]19 Harvard 0-0-0 145 19[/u][/b]
20 Minnesota 3-1-0 78 NR
Others receiving votes: Northern Michigan 66, Omaha 64,
UMass Lowell 60, Michigan 54, Boston University 18, RIT 15,
[b][u]Brown 13[/u][/b], Alaska 10, Colorado College 7, AIC 6,
[b][u]Dartmouth 4[/u][/b], Arizona State 2, Holy Cross 1, Mercyhurst 1, Army 1
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - October 21, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (13) 8-0-0 148 1
2 Minnesota (2) 8-0-0 136 2
3 Northeastern 5-0-0 111 3
[b][u]4 Clarkson 4-1-1 98 4
5 Cornell 0-0-0 78 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 6-0-0 72 7
[b][u]6 Princeton 0-0-0 72 6[/u][/b]
8 Robert Morris 2-3-1 34 10
9 Ohio State 4-2-2 28 9
10 Boston University 3-1-1 17 NR
Others receiving votes: Minnesota Duluth 9, [b][u]Harvard 6,[/u][/b]
Mercyhurst 6, [b][u]Colgate 5[/u][/b], Bemidji State 4, Syracuse 1
USA's Women's Poll should be out tomorrow.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Men's Poll
(2019-20 Season, Week #4 - Oct. 21)[/b]
(First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 University of Denver, 510 (34) 1 6-0-0 4
2 Minnesota State University, 466 3 3-0-1 4
[b][u]3 Cornell University, 341 4 0-0-0 4[/u][/b]
4 University of Notre Dame, 339 7 2-0-0 4
5 University of Massachusetts,326 4 3-1-0 4
6 University of Wisconsin, 274 NR 3-1-0 2
7 Providence University, 273 12 3-1-0 4
8 University Minnesota Duluth,266 2 1-3-0 4
9 Penn State University, 197 8 3-1-0 4
10 Boston College, 181 6 2-2-0 4
11 Northeastern University, 170 14 3-0-1 3
[b][u]12 Clarkson University, 151 9 2-1-1 4
13 Quinnipiac University, 148 10 3-1-0 4[/u][/b]
14 St. Cloud State University, 114 11 0-0-2 4
15 Ohio State University, 81 13 2-1-1 4
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University, 35[/u][/b];
University of North Dakota, 35; University of Wisconsin, 35;
University of Minnesota, 24; University of Massachusetts-Lowell, 14;
Bowling Green University, 15; Air Force Academy, 13;
Boston University, 9; [b][u]Brown University, 3[/u][/b]
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyI like that Clarkson did not play and moved 12 to 11 while Q did not play and moved 11 to 13.
Q tied Brock U. on Sunday in the last minute of the third with an extra attacker. (After RPI dominated Brock on Saturday.)
Well, that sucks, because it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :-(
But RPI didn't make the list. ;-)
Yes, but RPI and Cornell fans can also enjoy Union losing on Saturday and Sunday.::banana::
Union is now perfect on the year. The Union football team is 6-0 and the Union hockey team is 0-6.
Question is could the Union football team beat the Union hockey team on ice?
A guy across the hall in my freshman dorm had played high school basketball in central Minnesota. He acknowledged that the school's hockey team could beat the basketball team at basketball.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Women's Poll Oct. 22)[/b]
(First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 10
1. University of Wisconsin, 190(19)1 8-0-0 5
2. University of Minnesota, 171 2 8-0-0 5
3. Northeastern University, 144 3 5-0-0 5
[b][u]4. Clarkson University, 124 4 4-1-1 5
5. Cornell University, 101 5 0-0-0 5
6. Princeton University, 92 6 0-0-0 5[/u][/b]
7. Boston College, 89 7 6-0-0 5
8. Ohio State University, 44 9 4-2-2 5
9. Robert Morris University, 39 10 2-3-1 2
10. Boston University, 17 NR 3-1-1 4
Others Receiving Votes: University of Minnesota Duluth, 10;
[b][u]Harvard University, 8; Colgate University, 6[/u][/b];
Bemidji State University, 5; Mercyhurst University, 3.
Quote from: Jim HylaUSA's Women's Poll should be out tomorrow.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Men's Poll
(2019-20 Season, Week #4 - Oct. 21)[/b]
(First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 University of Denver, 510 (34) 1 6-0-0 4
2 Minnesota State University, 466 3 3-0-1 4
[b][u]3 Cornell University, 341 4 0-0-0 4[/u][/b]
4 University of Notre Dame, 339 7 2-0-0 4
5 University of Massachusetts,326 4 3-1-0 4
6 University of Wisconsin, 274 NR 3-1-0 2
7 Providence University, 273 12 3-1-0 4
8 University Minnesota Duluth,266 2 1-3-0 4
9 Penn State University, 197 8 3-1-0 4
10 Boston College, 181 6 2-2-0 4
11 Northeastern University, 170 14 3-0-1 3
[b][u]12 Clarkson University, 151 9 2-1-1 4
13 Quinnipiac University, 148 10 3-1-0 4[/u][/b]
14 St. Cloud State University, 114 11 0-0-2 4
15 Ohio State University, 81 13 2-1-1 4
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University, 35[/u][/b];
University of North Dakota, 35; University of Wisconsin, 35;
University of Minnesota, 24; University of Massachusetts-Lowell, 14;
Bowling Green University, 15; Air Force Academy, 13;
Boston University, 9; [b][u]Brown University, 3[/u][/b]
Wow! It's not so unexpected that we're #3; we're undefeated, after all. But the fact that a school that doesn't even exist ranks #7 is truly impressive.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jim HylaUSA's Women's Poll should be out tomorrow.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Men's Poll
(2019-20 Season, Week #4 - Oct. 21)[/b]
(First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 University of Denver, 510 (34) 1 6-0-0 4
2 Minnesota State University, 466 3 3-0-1 4
[b][u]3 Cornell University, 341 4 0-0-0 4[/u][/b]
4 University of Notre Dame, 339 7 2-0-0 4
5 University of Massachusetts,326 4 3-1-0 4
6 University of Wisconsin, 274 NR 3-1-0 2
7 Providence University, 273 12 3-1-0 4
8 University Minnesota Duluth,266 2 1-3-0 4
9 Penn State University, 197 8 3-1-0 4
10 Boston College, 181 6 2-2-0 4
11 Northeastern University, 170 14 3-0-1 3
[b][u]12 Clarkson University, 151 9 2-1-1 4
13 Quinnipiac University, 148 10 3-1-0 4[/u][/b]
14 St. Cloud State University, 114 11 0-0-2 4
15 Ohio State University, 81 13 2-1-1 4
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University, 35[/u][/b];
University of North Dakota, 35; University of Wisconsin, 35;
University of Minnesota, 24; University of Massachusetts-Lowell, 14;
Bowling Green University, 15; Air Force Academy, 13;
Boston University, 9; [b][u]Brown University, 3[/u][/b]
Wow! It's not so unexpected that we're #3; we're undefeated, after all. But the fact that a school that doesn't even exist ranks #7 is truly impressive.
Look, it's the USA poll. 'nuff said!
Quote from: Jim HylaLook, it's the USA poll. 'nuff said!
Where did you find a USA Hockey link with the votes? When I checked both USA Hockey (https://www.usahockey.com/college) and USCHO (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-mens/) there was a table empty except for the school name. I wasn't even sure it was the real poll.
nm, the numbers now show on the USA site. Didn't before. Weird.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaLook, it's the USA poll. 'nuff said!
Where did you find a USA Hockey link with the votes? When I checked both USA Hockey (https://www.usahockey.com/college) and USCHO (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-mens/) there was a table empty except for the school name. I wasn't even sure it was the real poll.
nm, the numbers now show on the USA site. Didn't before. Weird.
That's exactly what happens with me, but only one of the reasons I hate their polls.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaLook, it's the USA poll. 'nuff said!
Where did you find a USA Hockey link with the votes? When I checked both USA Hockey (https://www.usahockey.com/college) and USCHO (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-mens/) there was a table empty except for the school name. I wasn't even sure it was the real poll.
nm, the numbers now show on the USA site. Didn't before. Weird.
That's exactly what happens with me, but only one of the reasons I hate their polls.
Whichever poll has us higher is metaphysical truth.
I'm sure the USA polls will be available sometime.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - October 28, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Denver (46) 6-0-0 996 1
2 Minnesota State (4) 5-0-1 952 2
3 Massachusetts 4-1-0 861 3
[b][u]4 Cornell 0-0-0 778 4[/u][/b]
5 Notre Dame 4-0-0 768 5
6 Minnesota Duluth 3-3-0 670 8
7 Wisconsin 4-2-0 653 6
8 Providence 4-2-0 641 7
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 4-1-0 594 9[/u][/b]
10 Northeastern 4-1-1 562 11
[b][u]11 Clarkson 3-2-1 454 13[/u][/b]
12 Penn State 4-1-0 449 12
13 Ohio State 4-1-1 418 15
14 North Dakota 4-1-1 359 16
15 Boston College 2-3-0 329 10
16 St. Cloud 1-1-2 285 14
17 UMass Lowell 4-2-2 136 NR
18 Bowling Green 4-3-0 125 17
[b][u]19 Harvard 0-0-0 120 19[/u][/b]
20 Northern Michigan 4-1-1 118 NR
Others receiving votes: Western Michigan 79, Omaha 35,
Michigan 32, RIT 28, Boston University 23, Minnesota 15,
[b][u]Brown 11[/u][/b], Bemidji State 5, Alaska 1, Maine 1,
Colorado College 1, [b][u]Dartmouth 1[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - October 28, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (15) 10-0-0 150 1
2 Minnesota 9-1-0 131 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 2-0-0 115 5[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 5-1-0 94 3
[b][u]5 Clarkson 5-1-2 83 4
6 Princeton 2-0-0 79 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 7-0-1 70 6
8 Ohio State 5-3-2 45 9
9 Boston University 5-1-1 29 10
10 Minnesota Duluth 5-3-0 18 NR
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 7, [b][u]Harvard 4[/u][/b]
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll
Men's Poll (2019-20 Season, Week #5 - Oct. 28)[/b]
Rank School (First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 University of Denver, (34) 510 1 6-0-0 5
2 Minnesota State University 475 2 5-0-1 5
3 University of Massachusetts399 5 4-1-0 5
4 University of Notre Dame, 393 4 4-0-0 5
[b][u]5 Cornell University, 344 3 0-0-0 5[/u][/b]
6 Univer Minnesota Duluth, 328 8 3-3-0 5
7 Providence College, 270 7 4-2-0 5
8 University of Wisconsin, 243 6 4-2-0 3
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac University, 200 13 4-1-0 5[/u][/b]
10 Northeastern University, 197 11 4-1-1 5
[b][u]11 Clarkson University, 175 12 3-2-1 5[/u][/b]
12 Penn State University, 152 9 4-1-0 5
13 Ohio State University, 117 15 4-1-1 5
14 University of North Dakota, 76 NR 4-1-1 5
15 Boston College, 66 10 2-3-0 4
Others receiving votes: St. Cloud State University, 47; Northern Michigan University, 26;
[b][u]Harvard University, 21[/u][/b]; University of Massachusetts Lowell, 16; Bowling Green University, 13;
Boston University, 6; [b][u]Brown University, 3[/u][/b]; University of Nebraska Omaha, 2; University of Michigan, 1.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll
Women's Poll (2019-20 Season, Week #6 - Oct. 29)[/b]
Rank School (First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 10
1. University Wisconsin(19) 190 1 10-0-0 6
2. University of Minnesota, 167 2 9-1-0 6
[b][u]3. Cornell University, 144 5 2-0-0 6[/u][/b]
4. Northeastern University, 118 3 4-1-1 6
[b][u]5. Princeton University, 105 6 2-0-0 6
6. Clarkson University, 101 4 5-1-2 6[/u][/b]
7. Boston College, 81 7 7-0-1 6
8. Ohio State University, 70 8 5-3-2 6
9. Boston University, 34 10 5-2-1 5
10. Univer Minnesota Duluth, 24 NR 5-3-0 4
Others Receiving Votes: [b][u]Harvard University, 7[/u][/b]; Robert Morris University, 4.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: SwampyQuote from: upprdeckif we can hold off not playing for another 2-3 weeks we could probably get to first place
If we can play nothing until April, we could wind up #1 and win the NC!
2nd undefeated season!
When would we take possession of the belt?
I'll post later, but the men are 4 in both polls and women 3 in USCHO.
Brown is now higher in the polls (27) than Yale (unranked).
USCHO:
04 Cornell
08 Clarkson
15 Quinnipiac
18 Harvard
27 Brown
27 Princeton
Women rank #1 in the pairwise (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/); men are #11 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
Quote from: TrotskyBrown is now higher in the polls (27) than Yale (unranked).
USCHO:
04 Cornell
08 Clarkson
15 Quinnipiac
18 Harvard
27 Brown
27 Princeton
While Qunnipiac can never be counted out based on recent history, they seem to have taken a step back this year and may be a tad (or more) overrated.
brown a good solid team to start at home with.
Quote from: SwampyWomen rank #1 in the pairwise (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/); men are #11 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
Men are 2 in pairwise on the CHN site:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/
Seems like at least one of the sites must be doing something wrong.
While we stay at 4 in USCHO Men's poll, our points have moved a lot closer to #3.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - November 4, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Denver (49) 8-0-0 998 1
2 Massachusetts (1) 6-1-0 925 3
3 Minnesota State 6-1-1 875 2
[b][u]4 Cornell 2-0-0 852 4[/u][/b]
5 Notre Dame 5-0-1 807 5
6 Penn State 6-1-0 700 12
7 Minnesota Duluth 3-3-0 682 6
[b][u]8 Clarkson 5-2-1 609 11[/u][/b]
9 Ohio State 6-1-1 582 13
10 North Dakota 5-1-1 508 14
11 Providence 4-3-1 464 8
12 Wisconsin 4-4-0 390 7
13 Northeastern 4-3-1 341 10
14 UMass Lowell 6-2-2 339 17
[b][u]15 Quinnipiac 4-3-0 332 9[/u][/b]
16 Northern Michigan 6-1-1 206 20
17 Bowling Green 5-4-0 195 18
[b][u]18 Harvard 1-0-0 185 19[/u][/b]
19 Boston College 3-4-0 177 15
20 Omaha 4-1-1 78 NR
Others receiving votes: RIT 53, Western Michigan 47, Maine 43,
St. Cloud 41, Arizona State 28, New Hampshire 12, [b][u]Brown 11[/u][/b],
[b][u]Princeton 11[/u][/b], Boston University 4, Alaska 3, Minnesota 2
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll[/b]
[b]Men's Poll (2019-20 Season, Week #6 - Nov. 4)[/b]
Rank School (First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 University of Denver, (34) 510 1 8-0-0 6
2 University of Massachusetts, 453 3 6-1-0 6
3 Minnesota State University, 416 2 6-1-1 6
[b][u]4 Cornell University, 397 5 2-0-0 6[/u][/b]
5 University of Notre Dame, 394 4 5-0-1 6
6 Penn State University, 307 12 6-1-0 6
7 University of Minnesota Duluth,276 6 3-3-0 6
8 Ohio State University, 238 13 6-1-1 6
[b][u]9 Clarkson University, 213 11 5-2-1 6[/u][/b]
10 University of North Dakota, 176 14 5-1-1 2
11 Providence College, 155 7 4-3-1 6
12 University of Wisconsin, 92 8 4-4-0 4
13 Northeastern University, 83 10 4-3-1 6
14 University Massachusetts Lowell 73 NR 6-2-2 1
[b][u]15 Harvard University, 59 NR 1-0-0 1[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Quinnipiac University, 57[/u][/b];
University of Northern Michigan, 48; Bowling Green University, 36;
Boston College, 32; University of Nebraska Omaha, 18;
Arizona State University, 9; University of Maine 7; St. Cloud State University 5;
[u][b]Brown University, 3;[/b][/u] Rochester Institute of Technology, 3.
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - November 4, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (14) 10-1-1 149 2
2 Wisconsin (1) 10-1-1 136 1
[b][u]3 Cornell 4-0-0 113 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 7-1-0 99 4
5 Boston College 9-0-1 84 7
[b][u]6 Clarkson 7-1-2 79 5
7 Princeton 4-1-0 64 6[/u][/b]
8 Ohio State 7-3-2 51 8
9 Minnesota Duluth 7-3-0 27 10
10 Boston University 5-3-1 11 9
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 8, [b][u]Harvard 4[/u][/b]
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: SwampyWomen rank #1 in the pairwise (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/); men are #11 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
Men are 2 in pairwise on the CHN site:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/
Seems like at least one of the sites must be doing something wrong.
Not enough data for it to be meaningful.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: SwampyWomen rank #1 in the pairwise (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/); men are #11 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
Men are 2 in pairwise on the CHN site:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/
Seems like at least one of the sites must be doing something wrong.
Not enough data for it to be meaningful.
Sure. But I thought pairwise was supposed to be completely objective math. Doesn't the fact that the two sites have different pairwise rankings mean that one is doing the math wrong?
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: SwampyWomen rank #1 in the pairwise (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/); men are #11 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/).
Men are 2 in pairwise on the CHN site:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/
Seems like at least one of the sites must be doing something wrong.
Not enough data for it to be meaningful.
Sure. But I thought pairwise was supposed to be completely objective math. Doesn't the fact that the two sites have different pairwise rankings mean that one is doing the math wrong?
FWIW, USCHO has our RPI @ 0.5875, and CHN has it @ 0.7075. If USCHO had the same result, we'd be #2 on USCHO too.
Quote from: TrotskyBrown is now higher in the polls (27) than Yale (unranked).
USCHO:
04 Cornell
08 Clarkson
15 Quinnipiac
18 Harvard
27 Brown
27 Princeton
Brown lost to Yale 3-2 then beat Yale like the proverbial drum, 5-1. Brown also killed all of Yale's penalty opportunities.
Quote from: upprdeckbrown a good solid team to start at home with.
* Yann Denis back for a fifth year and a shot at the Hobey, perhaps.
* Or maybe some recruits who got confused and mistook Brown for Providence ...
* The way the occasional Cornell aspirant looks to Mount Vernon, Iowa, as entree to the Ivies
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckbrown a good solid team to start at home with.
* Yann Denis back for a fifth year and a shot at the Hobey, perhaps.
* Or maybe some recruits who got confused and mistook Brown for Providence ...
* The way the occasional Cornell aspirant looks to Mount Vernon, Iowa, as entree to the Ivies
Brown's GK, Gavin Nieto, also put up some pretty impressive figures last weekend: 57 saves/60 shots, 93.4% save percentage, and 2.03 GAA.
In contrast, Galajda saved 45/49 shots, with a 91.8% save percentage, and 2.00 GAA.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll
Women's Poll (2019-20 Season, Week #7 - Nov. 5)[/b]
Rank School (First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 10
1. Univer Minnesota, (19) 190 2 10-1-1 7
2. University of Wisconsin, 171 1 10-1-1 7
[b][u]3. Cornell University, 139 3 4-0-0 7[/u][/b]
4. Northeastern University, 125 4 7-1-0 7
[b][u]5. Clarkson University, 107 6 7-1-2 7[/u][/b]
6. Boston College, 104 7 9-0-1 7
[b][u]7. Princeton University, 83 5 4-1-0 7[/u][/b]
8. Ohio State University, 64 8 7-3-2 7
9. Univer Minnesota Duluth, 39 10 7-3-0 5
10. Boston University, 13 9 5-3-1 6
Others Receiving Votes: Robert Morris University, 6; [b]Harvard University, 4[/b].
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - November 11, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota State (25) 8-1-1 961 3
2 Denver (15) 8-1-1 913 1
[b][u]3 Cornell (5) 4-0-0 890 4[/u][/b]
4 Notre Dame (4) 7-0-1 882 5
5 Massachusetts (1) 6-2-0 774 2
6 Minnesota Duluth 4-3-1 734 7
[b][u]7 Clarkson 7-2-1 671 8[/u][/b]
8 Penn State 7-2-0 639 6
9 North Dakota 7-1-1 620 10
10 Providence 5-3-2 473 11
11 Ohio State 6-3-1 470 9
12 UMass Lowell 7-2-3 406 14
[b][u]13 Harvard 3-0-0 389 18[/u][/b]
14 Northeastern 5-3-2 359 13
15 Wisconsin 5-5-0 307 12
16 Boston College 5-4-0 193 19
17 Bowling Green 5-4-0 166 17
18 Northern Michigan 6-2-2 160 16
19 Omaha 5-2-1 127 20
20 Western Michigan 5-3-2 87 NR
Others receiving votes: RIT 77, [b][u]Quinnipiac 75[/u][/b], New Hampshire 42,
St. Cloud 33, Maine 24, Boston University 11, Arizona State 7,
Alaska 5, [b][u]Brown 5[/u][/b]
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll
Men's Poll Nov. 11[/b]
Rank School First Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 University of Denver, 458 (13) 1 8-1-1 7
Minnesota State University, 458 (6) 3 8-1-1 7
3 University of Notre Dame, 450 5 7-0-1 7
[b][u]4 Cornell University, 432 4 4-0-0 7[/u][/b]
5 University of Massachusetts,347 2 6-2-0 7
6 University Minnesota Duluth,311 7 4-3-1 7
[b][u]7 Clarkson University, 276 9 7-2-1 7[/u][/b]
8 Penn State University, 264 6 7-2-0 7
9 University of North Dakota, 253 10 7-1-1 3
10 Providence College, 159 11 5-3-2 7
11 Ohio State University, 153 8 6-3-1 7
[b][u]12 Harvard University, 148 15 3-0-0 2[/u][/b]
13 Univer Massachusetts Lowell 104 14 7-2-3 2
14 Northeastern University, 98 13 5-3-2 7
15 University of Wisconsin, 44 12 5-5-0 5
Others Receiving Votes: Boston College, 36; University of Nebraska Omaha, 25;
Bowling Green University, 20; University of Northern Michigan, 19;
[b][u]Quinnipiac University, 6[/u][/b]; RIT, 6; University of Maine, 4;
St. Cloud State University, 3; University of Minnesota, 3;
University of New Hampshire, 2; Western Michigan University, 1.
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - November 11, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 10-1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 10-1-1 135 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 5-0-1 113 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 8-1-0 101 4
[b][u]5 Clarkson 8-1-3 89 6[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 9-1-1 72 5
7 Ohio State 7-3-2 51 8
[b][u]8 Princeton 5-2-0 44 7
9 Harvard 5-0-0 29 NR[/u][/b]
10 Minnesota Duluth 7-3-0 23 9
Others receiving votes: Boston University 12, Robert Morris 6
The USCHO.com poll has Cornell #3 and Clarkson #7. Big game on Friday--a top 10 ECAC matchup.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll
Women's Poll Week #8 - Nov. 12[/b]
Rank School (First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 10
1. University of Minnesota,189 (18)1 10-1-1 8
2. University of Wisconsin,172 (1) 2 10-1-1 8
[b][u]3. Cornell University, 144 3 5-0-1 8[/u][/b]
4. Northeastern University 128 4 8-1-0 8
[b][u]5. Clarkson University, 115 5 8-1-3 8[/u][/b]
6. Boston College, 92 6 9-1-1 8
7. Ohio State University, 75 8 7-3-2 8
[b][u]8. Princeton University, 55 7 5-2-0 8[/u][/b]
9. Univer Minnesota Duluth, 38 9 7-3-0 6
[b][u]10. Harvard University, 21 NR 5-0-0 1[/u][/b]
Others Receiving Votes: Boston University, 11; Robert Morris University, 5.
notre dame, duluth and umass all lost tonight. if we take care of business tomorrow i assume we move up to 3.
Quote from: ugartenotre dame, duluth and umass all lost tonight. if we take care of business tomorrow i assume we move up to 3.
Go home, ugarte, you're drunk. We're already 3.
Quote from: ugartenotre dame, duluth and umass all lost tonight. if we take care of business tomorrow i assume we move up to 3.
And Denver tied, for NCAA purposes. (They actually lost in the second OT.)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugartenotre dame, duluth and umass all lost tonight. if we take care of business tomorrow i assume we move up to 3.
Go home, ugarte, you're drunk. We're already 3.
usa today is the only newspaper i read, since i live in a la quinta.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugartenotre dame, duluth and umass all lost tonight. if we take care of business tomorrow i assume we move up to 3.
Go home, ugarte, you're drunk. We're already 3.
usa today is the only newspaper i read, since i live in a la quinta.
How is Gideons polling us?
This is a strange feeling. Normally after a win, and especially after a weekend sweep, I'm banging the refresh button on the PWR and KRACH pages like a coked out lab rat, just to see how much we climbed. Right now, when we're #1 in everything, it almost takes some of the joy....nah, can't say it with a straight face. THIS IS AWESOME!
Good chance we'll be #2 next week after Denver goes 0-1-1 and Notre Dame lost last night too
You never know. They might throw NoDak all the way to 2. Western Bias (TM). ::whistle::
The Cornell men and women are now a combined 13-0-1 overall, 9-0-1 in conference.
Harvard's are 10-0-0 in each.
It's a Fish & Fowl World.
Quote from: TrotskyThe Cornell men and women are now a combined 13-0-1 overall, 9-0-1 in conference.
Harvard's are 10-0-0 in each.
It's a Fish & Fowl World.
Well, between now and the end of Xmas break, we play Q, P-ton, BU, (13) Harvard, (11) tOSU, and (10) Providence/Army.
Hahvad plays RIP, (16) BC, BU, (<= 3) us, Colgate, and 2xASU.
We've got the tougher path, but H always has trouble with those pesky prols from the other side of the river.
Our SOS currently ranks 8th, while Sucks ranks 30th.
Hopefully, we'll see some separation.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyThe Cornell men and women are now a combined 13-0-1 overall, 9-0-1 in conference.
Harvard's are 10-0-0 in each.
It's a Fish & Fowl World.
Well, between now and the end of Xmas break, we play Q, P-ton, BU, (13) Harvard, (11) tOSU, and (10) Providence/Army.
Hahvad plays RIP, (16) BC, BU, (<= 3) us, Colgate, and 2xASU.
We've got the tougher path, but H always has trouble with those pesky prols from the other side of the river.
Our SOS currently ranks 8th, while Sucks ranks 30th.
Hopefully, we'll see some separation.
Just win baby, just win!!
Signs that Harvard and Cornell will regress: the Crimson's shooting percentage (18.2%) is first in the country, and the Big Red's (15.8%) is second. Meanwhile, Harvard's save percentage (96.2%) is far and away number one in the nation. Cornell's (92.6%) is tied for tenth, though that is in line with Galajda's and Cornell's historical save percentages, and so may not regress much if at all.
Quote from: BearLoverSigns that Harvard and Cornell will regress: the Crimson's shooting percentage (18.2%) is first in the country, and the Big Red's (15.8%) is second. Meanwhile, Harvard's save percentage (96.2%) is far and away number one in the nation. Cornell's (92.6%) is tied for tenth, though that is in line with Galajda's and Cornell's historical save percentages, and so may not regress much if at all.
The shooting % regression will be largely due to playing stronger competition. But I think both Harvard and Cornell will continue to have a number of 5 and 6 goal games against the lighter weights in the ECAC. I think there's a larger than usual gulf between the top 3 teams and the rest of the conference this season.
Why? Just because 8 of the bottom 16 teams in KRACH are from the ECAC?
Quote from: BearLoverSigns that Harvard and Cornell will regress: the Crimson's shooting percentage (18.2%) is first in the country, and the Big Red's (15.8%) is second. Meanwhile, Harvard's save percentage (96.2%) is far and away number one in the nation. Cornell's (92.6%) is tied for tenth, though that is in line with Galajda's and Cornell's historical save percentages, and so may not regress much if at all.
I don't feel like looking this up for Harvard, but Cornell is absolutely dominating even strength shot attempts thus far. Even vs Clarkson they had a substantial advantage. IIRC the only game where Cornell didn't have a clear edge was game 1 vs MSU (basically even). That shooting percentage probably is unsustainable, but at least it's backed up by measurable signs of possession dominance.
One thing I've always wondered is how much team shooting percentage is a function of luck in college hockey. The talent differentials are much larger in D-I than in the NHL. It's possible Cornell's shooting % is huge in part because the teams they've been playing haven't been very good, so the shooters have had better looks and a lot more time.
do the numbers show the shooting % on quality chances cause thats what matters more.. you get the random game of long range tip ins and screen shots that go in but thats more luck. the open shots from inside the circles is more what you can control, at least you hope you can.
so far we are getting a good number of open looks. you might not get as many against better teams, but you better bury some of them when you get so many against the lesser teams and so far we have,
the passing has been great so far to free guys up.
I agree though after the top 3 it drops off pretty fast. if that holds true you have to win most of those games and we only have 3 against harvard/clarkson left. then who is in the next tier? really want to win all those games against the bottom 6. dart/rpi/quin can you avoid more than a couple losses against those 3? now we want to sweep clarkson and that leaves Harvard.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Nov. 15-16 (https://www.uscho.com/2019/11/17/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-nov-15-16/)
No. 1 Minnesota State (8-1-1)
Did not play.
No. 2 Denver (8-2-2)
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 9 North Dakota 1 at No. 2 Denver 1 (OT)[/b]
11/16/2019 N- o. [b]9 North Dakota 4[/b] at No. 2 Denver 1
[b][u]No. 3 Cornell (6-0-0)[/u][/b]
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 3 Cornell 4[/b] at No. 7 Clarkson 2
11/16/2019 – [i]No. 3 Cornell 6[/i] at St. Lawrence 1 (at Canton)
No. 4 Notre Dame (8-1-1)
11/15/2019 – No. 4 Notre Dame 0 at [b]No. 15 Wisconsin 3[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 4 Notre Dame 5[/b] at No. 15 Wisconsin 4 (OT)
No. 5 Massachusetts (7-3-0)
11/15/2019 – No. 5 Massachusetts 3 at [b]RV Boston University 4[/b]
11/16/2019 – RV Boston University 1 at [b]No. 5 Massachusetts 4[/b]
No. 6 Minnesota Duluth (5-4-1)
11/15/2019 – No. 6 Minnesota Duluth 1 at [b]Miami 3[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 6 Minnesota Duluth 3[/b] at Miami 2
[b][u]No. 7 Clarkson (8-3-1)[/u][/b]
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 3 Cornell 4[/b] at No. 7 Clarkson 2
11/16/2019 – Colgate 1 at [b]No. 7 Clarkson 5[/b]
No. 8 Penn State (9-2-0)
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 8 Penn State 8[/b] at Minnesota 2
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 8 Penn State 6[/b] at Minnesota 3
No. 9 North Dakota (8-1-2)
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 9 North Dakota 1 at No. 2 Denver 1 (OT)[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 9 North Dakota 4[/b] at No. 2 Denver 1
No. 10 Providence (6-4-2)
11/15/2019 – No. 14 Northeastern 2 at [b]No. 10 Providence 3[/b]
11/16/2019 – No. 10 Providence 3 at [b]No. 14 Northeastern 7[/b]
No. 11 Ohio State (6-3-1)
Did not play.
No. 12 UMass Lowell (7-3-4)
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 12 UMass Lowell 3 at Connecticut 3 (OT)[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]Connecticut 2[/b] at No. 12 UMass Lowell 1
[b][u]No. 13 Harvard (5-0-0)[/u][/b]
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 13 Harvard 4[/b] at RV Brown 1
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 13 Harvard 6[/b] at Yale 1
No. 14 Northeastern (6-4-2)
11/15/2019 – No. 14 Northeastern 2 at N[b]o. 10 Providence 3[/b]
11/16/2019 – No. 10 Providence 3 at [b]No. 14 Northeastern 7[/b]
No. 15 Wisconsin (6-6-0)
11/15/2019 – No. 4 Notre Dame 0 at [b]No. 15 Wisconsin 3[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 4 Notre Dame 5[/b] at No. 15 Wisconsin 4 (OT)
No. 16 Boston College (7-4-0)
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 16 Boston College 5[/b] at Vermont 1
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 16 Boston College 3[/b] at Vermont 0
No. 17 Bowling Green (7-4-0)
11/15/2019 – [b]No. 17 Bowling Green 3[/b] at Alaska Anchorage 1
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 17 Bowling Green 3[/b] at Alaska Anchorage 0
No. 18 Northern Michigan (7-3-2)
11/15/2019 – RV Alaska 1 at [b]No. 18 Northern Michigan 2[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]RV Alaska 3[/b] at No. 18 Northern Michigan 2
No. 19 Omaha (6-3-1)
11/15/2019 – No. 19 Omaha 2 at [b]No. 20 Western Michigan 3[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 19 Omaha 6[/b] at No. 20 Western Michigan 3
No. 20 Western Michigan (6-4-2)
11/15/2019 – No. 19 Omaha 2 at [b]No. 20 Western Michigan 3[/b]
11/16/2019 – [b]No. 19 Omaha 6[/b] at No. 20 Western Michigan 3
RV = Received Votes
Welp, from that... we could be 2.
Quote from: TrotskyWelp, from that... we could be 2.
We are indeed #2 in the USCHO poll (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/).
USA Today is always late.
Men #2 with 13 First votes. And they are above the women. I wonder when they last did that.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - November 18, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota State (36) 8-1-1 983 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (13) 6-0-0 948 3[/u][/b]
3 Notre Dame 8-1-1 830 4
4 Denver 8-2-2 820 2
5 North Dakota (1) 8-1-2 809 9
6 Penn State 9-2-0 787 8
7 Massachusetts 7-3-0 680 5
[b][u]8 Clarkson 8-3-1 619 7[/u][/b]
9 Minnesota Duluth 5-4-1 570 6
[b][u]10 Harvard 5-0-0 561 13[/u][/b]
11 Ohio State 6-3-1 467 11
12 Providence 6-4-2 433 10
13 Northeastern 6-4-2 342 14
14 Boston College 7-4-0 341 16
15 UMass Lowell 7-3-4 266 12
16 Wisconsin 6-6-0 250 15
17 Bowling Green 7-4-0 231 17
18 Omaha 6-3-1 148 19
19 Northern Michigan 7-3-2 137 18
20 Western Michigan 6-4-2 104 20
Others receiving votes: Maine 83, [b][u]Quinnipiac 52,[/u][/b]
Arizona State 11, Alaska 9, RIT 7, [b][u]Dartmouth 4[/u][/b],
Colorado College 4, New Hampshire 3, Robert Morris 1
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - November 18, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 12-1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 12-1-1 135 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 7-0-1 115 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 10-1-0 101 4
[b][u]5 Clarkson 10-1-3 87 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 10-1-1 79 6
7 Ohio State 8-3-3 56 7
[b][u]8 Princeton 7-2-0 47 8
9 Harvard 5-0-0 30 9[/u][/b]
10 Minnesota Duluth 7-4-1 19 10
Others receiving votes: Boston University 5, Mercyhurst 1
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyWelp, from that... we could be 2.
We are indeed #2 in the USCHO poll (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/). USA Today is always late.
13 first place votes. Closer to 1 than 3. Harvard up 3 slots to #10.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyWe are indeed #2 in the USCHO poll (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/). USA Today is always late.
Second in USAToday poll too, with 15 first place votes vs. 19 for Minnesota State.
Cornell men have not had 13+ first place votes in November since at least 1996 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_History.html).
Cornell's newest ranking saves me a lot of trouble. You have no idea much time I have wasted over 55 years of scrolling down through the rankings.
Quote from: TrotskyCornell men have not had 13+ first place votes in November since at least 1996 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_History.html).
Thank you, Lori Loughlin, for buying us a couple votes
Like those years of reading the newspaper agate and wasting time trying to see how Cornell basketball did, when you can't remember who they played, and the agate is sorted by the name of the winning team.
Quote from: osorojoCornell's newest ranking saves me a lot of trouble. You have no idea much time I have wasted over 55 years of scrolling down through the rankings.
First rule of Italian driving (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGXn249Fc0).
Quote from: billhowardLike those years of reading the newspaper agate and wasting time trying to see how Cornell basketball did, when you can't remember who they played, and the agate is sorted by the name of the winning team.
In that case it was simple to infer how they did.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll[/b]
[b]Men's Poll (2019-20 Season, Week #8 - Nov. 18)[/b]
Rank School (First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 15
1 Minnesota State Univ (19) 488 T-1 8-1-1 8
[b][u]2 Cornell University, (15) 483 4 6-0-0 8[/u][/b]
3 University Notre Dame, 413 3 8-1-1 8
4 University of Denver, 377 T-1 8-2-2 8
5 Penn State University, 356 8 9-2-0 8
6 University North Dakota, 342 9 8-1-2 4
7 University Massachusetts, 271 5 7-3-0 8
[b][u]8 Harvard University, 253 12 5-0-0 3[/u][/b]
[b][u]9 Clarkson University, 233 7 8-3-1 8[/u][/b]
10 Univer Minnesota Duluth, 199 6 5-4-1 8
11 Ohio State University, 154 11 6-3-1 8
12 Boston College, 133 NR 7-4-0 6
13 Providence College, 130 10 6-4-2 8
14 Northeastern University, 73 14 6-4-2 8
15 Bowling Green State 40 NR 7-4-0 1
Others Receiving Votes: University of Massachusetts Lowell, 33;
University of Nebraska Omaha, 29; University of Wisconsin, 19;
Northern Michigan University, 14; University of Maine, 13;
Western Michigan University, 12; University of Michigan, 11;
[b][u]Quinnipiac University, 4.[/u][/b]
Minnesota State hosts AK-Anchorage for two games this upcoming weekend so not likely to give an opening to another team to slip into first in the next poll.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverSigns that Harvard and Cornell will regress: the Crimson's shooting percentage (18.2%) is first in the country, and the Big Red's (15.8%) is second. Meanwhile, Harvard's save percentage (96.2%) is far and away number one in the nation. Cornell's (92.6%) is tied for tenth, though that is in line with Galajda's and Cornell's historical save percentages, and so may not regress much if at all.
I don't feel like looking this up for Harvard, but Cornell is absolutely dominating even strength shot attempts thus far. Even vs Clarkson they had a substantial advantage. IIRC the only game where Cornell didn't have a clear edge was game 1 vs MSU (basically even). That shooting percentage probably is unsustainable, but at least it's backed up by measurable signs of possession dominance.
One thing I've always wondered is how much team shooting percentage is a function of luck in college hockey. The talent differentials are much larger in D-I than in the NHL. It's possible Cornell's shooting % is huge in part because the teams they've been playing haven't been very good, so the shooters have had better looks and a lot more time.
I agree that the shot differential so far indicates that Cornell is a very good team. The Red have taken 56% of shot attempts at even strength and 57% of unblocked shot attempts at even strength. Those numbers increase when the game is within a goal. Harvard's metrics, on the other hand, are strikingly awful! Despite having played weak opposition, they are
dead last in the country in shot attempt%: 40% at even strength (41% unblocked shot attempts). Those numbers do increase substantially when the game is within a goal: 48% for both shot attempts and unblocked shot attempts. This suggests that Harvard runs up big leads and then takes its foot off the gas, which confounds the numbers. Yet their even strength numbers are literally worst in the country, and their close-game numbers are below average. Very small sample size, but it suggests Harvard may be worse than its record.
Or, if you take the view that shooting percentage is heavily correlated with talent, Harvard's sky-high shooting% might just be indicative of its roster stacked with draft picks and its weak opposition.
Quote from: TrotskyCornell men have not had 13+ first place votes in November since at least 1996 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_History.html).
Huh, I didn't remember the #1 ranking in 2005.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyCornell men have not had 13+ first place votes in November since at least 1996 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_History.html).
Huh, I didn't remember the #1 ranking in 2005.
Maybe because it was in the NIT poll?
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine College Hockey Poll
Women's Poll (2019-20 Season, Week #9 - Nov. 19)[/b]
Rank School (First) Last Week Record Weeks in Top 10
1. University of Minnesota, (19) 190 1 12-1-1 9
2. University of Wisconsin, 171 2 12-1-1 9
[b][u]3. Cornell University, 146 3 7-0-1 9[/u][/b]
4. Northeastern University, 132 4 10-1-0 9
[b][u]5. Clarkson University, 110 5 10-1-3 9[/u][/b]
6. Boston College, 95 6 10-1-1 9
7. Ohio State University, 77 7 8-3-3 9
[b][u]8. Princeton University, 55 8 7-2-0 9
9. Harvard University, 34 10 5-0-0 2[/u][/b]
10. University of Minnesota Duluth,12 9 7-4-1 7
Others Receiving Votes: Boston University, 5; [b][u]Colgate University, 1[/u][/b];
Mercyhurst University, 1; Robert Morris University, 1.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverSigns that Harvard and Cornell will regress: the Crimson's shooting percentage (18.2%) is first in the country, and the Big Red's (15.8%) is second. Meanwhile, Harvard's save percentage (96.2%) is far and away number one in the nation. Cornell's (92.6%) is tied for tenth, though that is in line with Galajda's and Cornell's historical save percentages, and so may not regress much if at all.
I don't feel like looking this up for Harvard, but Cornell is absolutely dominating even strength shot attempts thus far. Even vs Clarkson they had a substantial advantage. IIRC the only game where Cornell didn't have a clear edge was game 1 vs MSU (basically even). That shooting percentage probably is unsustainable, but at least it's backed up by measurable signs of possession dominance.
One thing I've always wondered is how much team shooting percentage is a function of luck in college hockey. The talent differentials are much larger in D-I than in the NHL. It's possible Cornell's shooting % is huge in part because the teams they've been playing haven't been very good, so the shooters have had better looks and a lot more time.
I agree that the shot differential so far indicates that Cornell is a very good team. The Red have taken 56% of shot attempts at even strength and 57% of unblocked shot attempts at even strength. Those numbers increase when the game is within a goal. Harvard's metrics, on the other hand, are strikingly awful! Despite having played weak opposition, they are dead last in the country in shot attempt%: 40% at even strength (41% unblocked shot attempts). Those numbers do increase substantially when the game is within a goal: 48% for both shot attempts and unblocked shot attempts. This suggests that Harvard runs up big leads and then takes its foot off the gas, which confounds the numbers. Yet their even strength numbers are literally worst in the country, and their close-game numbers are below average. Very small sample size, but it suggests Harvard may be worse than its record.
Or, if you take the view that shooting percentage is heavily correlated with talent, Harvard's sky-high shooting% might just be indicative of its roster stacked with draft picks and its weak opposition.
Well, given all of this, I take the view that Cornell's numbers mean Cornell is really strong, and Harvard's numbers mean Harvard isn't as strong as their record would indicate, and small sample sizes be damned. ;)
At a glance it appears Cornell has played opponents close until late in the second period. Is this primarily because of Cornell's depth of talent or Cornell's style of play?
Quote from: osorojoAt a glance it appears Cornell has played opponents close until late in the second period. Is this primarily because of Cornell's depth of talent or Cornell's style of play?
With the exception of Yale, that seems to be the case. I think the depth advantage we have is a big factor.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: osorojoAt a glance it appears Cornell has played opponents close until late in the second period. Is this primarily because of Cornell's depth of talent or Cornell's style of play?
With the exception of Yale, that seems to be the case. I think the depth advantage we have is a big factor.
Reminds me of the Mankato NCAA game in 2003. Our top two lines didn't score much because Mankato also had a decent top two lines (as they should being in the tourny). But our third and fourth lines ran rampant over theirs, leading to a 5-2 win. It was the ability to run four strong lines that meant a lot.
Anyone think we may move to first place in one or both polls this week as a result of beating stronger teams than the team Minnesota State beat twice?
Quote from: andyw2100Anyone think we may move to first place in one or both polls this week as a result of beating stronger teams than the team Minnesota State beat twice?
Too many votes would need to flip for the USCHO poll so I say no for that. For USA Today I'm going to say yes, but that's a bit of wishful thinking. Minn St crushed Anchorage Friday and handled them easily on Saturday, with more than twice as many shots on net than what Anchorage managed.
Quote from: JasonN95Quote from: andyw2100Anyone think we may move to first place in one or both polls this week as a result of beating stronger teams than the team Minnesota State beat twice?
Too many votes would need to flip for the USCHO poll so I say no for that. For USA Today I'm going to say yes, but that's a bit of wishful thinking. Minn St crushed Anchorage Friday and handled them easily on Saturday, with more than twice as many shots on net than what Anchorage managed.
i don't think mankato drops behind us until they lose again regardless of how we do. the only exception is if a a few people notice and credit us for the heater michigan state is on.
Quote from: andyw2100Anyone think we may move to first place in one or both polls this week as a result of beating stronger teams than the team Minnesota State beat twice?
I suspect even if we win out through New Year's Day including against an otherwise undefeated Harvard team we will still be behind Mankato until they stumble. That's life in the ECAC. Fine -- use it to our advantage.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: andyw2100Anyone think we may move to first place in one or both polls this week as a result of beating stronger teams than the team Minnesota State beat twice?
I suspect even if we win out through New Year's Day including against an otherwise undefeated Harvard team we will still be behind Mankato until they stumble. That's life in the ECAC. Fine -- use it to our advantage.
Indeed we're still #1 in PWR. If that persists, (it is relatively meaningless until around mid-January when everyone has played enough games in and out of conference) who cares about the polls.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: andyw2100Anyone think we may move to first place in one or both polls this week as a result of beating stronger teams than the team Minnesota State beat twice?
I suspect even if we win out through New Year's Day including against an otherwise undefeated Harvard team we will still be behind Mankato until they stumble. That's life in the ECAC. Fine -- use it to our advantage.
Indeed we're still #1 in PWR. If that persists, (it is relatively meaningless until around mid-January when everyone has played enough games in and out of conference) who cares about the polls.
...and by mid-Feb, the pollsters pretty much just turn in PWR as their ballot anyway. Stay #1 in PWR and the polls will take care of themselves.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Nov. 22-23 (https://www.uscho.com/2019/11/24/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-nov-22-23/)
[b]No. 1 Minnesota State[/b] (10-1-1)
11/22/2019 – Alaska Anchorage 1 at No. 1 [b]Minnesota State 7[/b]
11/23/2019 – Alaska Anchorage 0 at No. 1 [b]Minnesota State 3[/b]
[b]No. 2 Cornell[/b] (8-0-0)
11/22/2019 – RV Quinnipiac 1 at No. 2 [b][u]Cornell 2[/u][/b]
11/23/2019 – Princeton 1 at No. 2 [b][u]Cornell 5[/u][/b]
[b]No. 3 Notre Dame[/b] (8-2-2)
11/22/2019 – No. 3 [b]Notre Dame 1 at Michigan State 1 (OT)[/b]
11/23/2019 – No. 3 Notre Dame 2 at [b]Michigan State 3[/b]
[b]No. 4 Denver[/b] (9-3-2)
11/22/2019 – No. 20 [b]Western Michigan 2[/b] at No. 4 Denver 1
11/23/2019 – No. 20 Western Michigan 1 at No. 4 [b]Denver 6[/b]
[b]No. 5 North Dakota[/b] (10-1-2)
11/22/2019 – St. Cloud State 2 at No. 5 [b]North Dakota 4[/b]
11/23/2019 – St. Cloud State 1 at No. 5 [b]North Dakota 2 (OT)[/b]
[b]No. 6 Penn State[/b] (10-3-0)
11/22/2019 – No. 11 Ohio State 4 at No. 6 [b]Penn State 5[/b]
11/23/2019 – No. 11 [b]Ohio State 4[/b] at No. 6 Penn State 3
[b]No. 7 Massachusetts[/b] (8-3-1)
11/22/2019 – [b]Merrimack 2 at No. 7 Massachusetts 2 (OT)[/b]
11/23/2019 – No. 7 [b]Massachusetts 3[/b] at Merrimack 2
[b]No. 8 Clarkson[/b] (10-3-1)
11/22/2019 – No. 8 [b]Clarkson 2[/b] at Brown 1 (OT)
11/23/2019 – No. 8 [b]Clarkson 4[/b] at Yale 1
[b]No. 9 Minnesota Duluth[/b] (7-4-1)
11/22/2019 – RV Colorado College 3 at No. 9 [b]Minnesota Duluth 4[/b]
11/23/2019 – RV Colorado College 0 at No. 9 [b]Minnesota Duluth 5[/b]
[b]No. 10 Harvard[/b] (6-0-0)
11/22/2019 – No. 10 [b]Harvard 6[/b] at Rensselaer 3
[b]No. 11 Ohio State[/b] (7-4-1)
11/22/2019 – No. 11 Ohio State 4 at No. 6 [b]Penn State 5[/b]
11/23/2019 No. 11 [b]Ohio State 4[/b] at No. 6 Penn State 3
[b]No. 12 Providence[/b] (7-4-3)
11/22/2019 – No. 12 [b]Providence 3 at Connecticut 3 (OT)[/b]
11/23/2019 – Connecticut 2 at No. 12 [b]Providence 5[/b]
[b]No. 13 Northeastern[/b] (8-4-2)
11/22/2019 – RV Maine 2 at No. 13 [b]Northeastern 5[/b]
11/23/2019 – RV Maine 2 at No. 13 [b]Northeastern 3[/b]
[b]No. 14 Boston College[/b] (7-4-0)
[b]Did not play.[/b]
[b]No. 15 UMass Lowell[/b] (7-3-4)
[b]Did not play.[/b]
[b]No. 16 Wisconsin[/b] (6-7-1)
11/22/2019 – No. 16 Wisconsin 1 at [b]Minnesota 4[/b]
11/23/2019 No. 16 [b]Wisconsin 3 at Minnesota 3 (OT)[/b]
[b]No. 17 Bowling Green[/b] (8-5-0)
11/22/2019 – Lake Superior State 0 at No. 17 [b]Bowling Green 5[/b]
11/23/2019 – [b]Lake Superior State 3[/b] at No. 17 Bowling Green 1
[b]No. 18 Omaha[/b] (6-4-2)
11/22/2019 – [b]Miami 3 at No. 18 Omaha 3 (OT)[/b]
11/23/2019 – [b]Miami 4[/b] at No. 18 Omaha 1
[b]No. 19 Northern Michigan[/b] (7-5-2)
11/22/2019 – No. 19 Northern Michigan 2 at [b]Michigan Tech 3[/b]
11/23/2019 – [b]Michigan Tech 3[/b] at No. 19 Northern Michigan 2
[b]No. 20 Western Michigan[/b] (7-5-2)
11/22/2019 – No. 20 [b]Western Michigan 2[/b] at No. 4 Denver 1
11/23/2019 – No. 20 Western Michigan 1 at No. 4 [b]Denver 6[/b]
RV = Received Votes
OUr RPI on USCHO is over 1.200. Is that even possible? Road win bonus at Clarkson and Michigan State, I guess?
Quote from: ugarteOUr RPI on USCHO is over 1.200. Is that even possible? Road win bonus at Clarkson and Michigan State, I guess?
a) a multiplier based on indexing our SAT scores vs. the norm
b) it's the system
c) The
Russians Ukrainians hacked in
c1) I thought I typed the R-word, but somehow that's not what's appearing
Still second in USCHO poll.
https://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/
We actually lost a couple of first place votes.
Quote from: andyw2100Still second in USCHO poll.
https://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/
We actually lost a couple of first place votes.
But our vote
total went up slightly (948 to 954).
If things keep going as they are, expect North Dakota to be even more of a magnet for voters, not just due to the pedigree, but perceived conference strength. And honestly, probably deserved. The only blemishes on their record (1 loss and 2 ties) have been from Mankato and Denver, both top-5 teams.
If I was Harvard I'd be pretty pissed off.
Quote from: TrotskyIf I was Harvard I'd be pretty pissed off.
So would I, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the USCHO poll. They've been steadily moving up in the poll for weeks and they've barely played anybody good.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: TrotskyIf I was Harvard I'd be pretty pissed off.
So would I, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the USCHO poll. They've been steadily moving up in the poll for weeks and they've barely played anybody good.
In a way it's Harvard's own fault. So far, all 6 of its games have been ECAC. Q (2-3-1, 6-6-1) is the highest-ranked team it's played.
Compare this to Clarkson, which is 5-1 in conference and 10-3-1 overall, with wins over teams like Wisconsin (#6 at the time) and Michigan. Deserved or not, showing you can go toe-to-toe against teams with strong reputations establishes some cred. Similarly, Cornell's sweep of MSU won us some respect, especially now that MSU is showing it's not a pushover.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: TrotskyIf I was Harvard I'd be pretty pissed off.
So would I, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the USCHO poll. They've been steadily moving up in the poll for weeks and they've barely played anybody good.
In a way it's Harvard's own fault. So far, all 6 of its games have been ECAC. Q (2-3-1, 6-6-1) is the highest-ranked team it's played.
Compare this to Clarkson, which is 5-1 in conference and 10-3-1 overall, with wins over teams like Wisconsin (#6 at the time) and Michigan. Deserved or not, showing you can go toe-to-toe against teams with strong reputations establishes some cred. Similarly, Cornell's sweep of MSU won us some respect, especially now that MSU is showing it's not a pushover.
Pushover or not... those wins will really help us in the end-of-year PWR. Especially if we get 2+ points from Northern Michigan.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: TrotskyIf I was Harvard I'd be pretty pissed off.
So would I, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the USCHO poll. They've been steadily moving up in the poll for weeks and they've barely played anybody good.
(1) You can only beat who you have in front of you. (2) They're not just winning they're winning big.
In any case, Lynah East will sort it all out, for a time.
we have BU, the 2 Vegas games, and NM left.. do no worse than 3-2 and hopefully no worse than 4-1 and our OC schedule will look pretty solid
Current NC PWR
11 Michigan State
11 Michigan State
37 BU
13 Ohio State
23 Providence / 31 Army
28 Northern Michigan
28 Northern Michigan
Still at number two in the USA Today Poll too, but tied in number of first place votes with Minnesota State (17 each), and just out of first on total points (491 vs. 494.)
We got close!
Quote from: SwampyIn a way it's Harvard's own fault. So far, all 6 of its games have been ECAC. Q (2-3-1, 6-6-1) is the highest-ranked team it's played.
Dartmouth currently #16 per CHN's PWR rating, who Harvard beat in their first game. (I know, ranking vs rating.)
If NMU could split or sweep against Mankato, it would doubly help us, pushing up NMU as an opponent and helping us gain/get ahead of Mankato.
Normally I don't think of PWR this early, but they both look so nice that they're here.**]::burnout::
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - November 25, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota State (39) 10-1-1 988 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (11) 8-0-0 954 2[/u][/b]
3 North Dakota 10-1-2 890 5
4 Denver 9-3-2 770 4
5 Notre Dame 8-2-2 728 3
[b][u]6 Clarkson 10-3-1 708 8[/u][/b]
7 Penn State 10-3-0 696 6
8 Minnesota Duluth 7-4-1 665 9
[b][u]9 Harvard 6-0-0 649 10[/u][/b]
10 Massachusetts 8-3-1 630 7
11 Ohio State 7-4-1 483 11
12 Northeastern 8-4-2 416 13
13 Providence 7-4-3 411 12
14 Boston College 7-4-0 370 14
15 UMass Lowell 7-3-4 290 15
16 Bowling Green 8-5-0 212 17
17 Western Michigan 7-5-2 195 20
18 Omaha 6-4-2 100 18
19 Wisconsin 6-7-1 91 16
20 Michigan State 6-5-1 52 NR
Others receiving votes: Northern Michigan 45, Arizona State 33,
RIT 27, Maine 25, New Hampshire 16, [b][u]Quinnipiac 14[/u][/b], Alaska 10,
[b][u]Dartmouth 9[/u][/b], Minnesota 8, Michigan Tech 7, Bemidji State 2,
Sacred Heart 2, Boston University 2, Robert Morris 2
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
November 25, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 Minnesota State Univer 494 (17) 1 10-1-1 9
[b][u]2 Cornell University 491 (17) 2 8-0-0 9[/u][/b]
3 University North Dakota 419 7 10-1-2 5
4 University of Notre Dame341 3 8-2-2 9
5 University of Denver 339 4 9-3-2 9
[b][u]6 Harvard University 316 8 6-0-0 4[/u][/b]
7 Penn State University 303 5 10-3-0 9
[b][u]8 Clarkson University 279 9 10-3-1 9[/u][/b]
9 Univer Minnesota Duluth 265 10 7-4-1 9
10 Univer Massachusetts 235 7 8-3-1 9
11 Ohio State University 156 11 7-4-1 9
12 Boston College 129 12 7-4-0 6
13 Northeastern University 106 14 8-4-2 9
14 Providence College 93 13 7-4-3 9
15 Bowling Green State 41 15 8-5-0 2
Others receiving votes: Michigan State University 26, University of Massachusetts Lowell 26,
University of Nebraska Omaha 9, Western Michigan University 4, Michigan Tech University 4,
University of Maine 3, Northern Michigan University 2.
[b]Men's Division I PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 59 8-0-0 1.0000 1 0.7676* 1
2 Harvard 58 6-0-0 1.0000 1 0.6758* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State 57 10-1-1 0.8750 3 0.6699* 3
4 North Dakota 56 10-1-2 0.8462 4 0.6589* 4
5 Notre Dame 55 8-2-2 0.7500 6 0.6223* 5
6 Penn State 54 10-3-0 0.7692 5 0.6056 6
7 Denver 53 9-3-2 0.7143 8 0.5894* 7
8 Minnesota Duluth52 7-4-1 0.6250 15 0.5633 8
9 Bowling Green 51 8-5-0 0.6154 17 0.5621 9
[b][u]10 Clarkson 50 10-3-1 0.7500 6 0.5619* 10[/u][/b]
11 Michigan State 49 6-5-1 0.5417 27 0.5608 11
12 Boston College 48 7-4-0 0.6364 13 0.5564 12
13 Ohio State 47 7-4-1 0.6250 15 0.5463* 13
14 Arizona State 46 6-4-0 0.6000 19 0.5427* 14
15 Western Michigan45 7-5-2 0.5714 24 0.5422 15
[b][u]16 Dartmouth 44 3-2-1 0.5833 20 0.5417 16[/u][/b]
17 Michigan Tech 43 7-6-0 0.5385 29 0.5410 17
18 Massachusetts 42 8-3-1 0.7083 9 0.5343 18
19 Omaha 41 6-4-2 0.5833 20 0.5337 19
20 Northeastern 40 8-4-2 0.6429 10 0.5280 20
21 Wisconsin 39 6-7-1 0.4643 34 0.5258 21
22 RIT 38 8-4-2 0.6429 10 0.5248 22
23 Providence 37 7-4-3 0.6071 18 0.5232 23
24 Alaska 36 8-8-0 0.5000 31 0.5218 24
25 UMass Lowell 35 7-3-4 0.6429 10 0.5206 25
26 Colorado College34 4-5-1 0.4500 37 0.5196 26
27 Maine 33 7-5-2 0.5714 24 0.5189 27
28 Northern Michigan32 7-5-2 0.5714 24 0.5163 28
29 New Hampshire 31 6-5-1 0.5417 27 0.5134 29
30 Minnesota 30 5-6-3 0.4643 34 0.5130 30
31 Army 29 7-4-0 0.6364 13 0.5123 31
[b][u]32 Quinnipiac 28 6-6-1 0.5000 31 0.5104 32[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - November 25, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (14) 13-1-2 148 1
2 Wisconsin (1) 14-1-1 136 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 7-0-1 125 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 12-2-0 97 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 9-2-0 89 8[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 9-3-4 65 7
[b][u]7 Clarkson 10-2-4 63 5[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 11-3-1 47 6
9 Minnesota Duluth 7-5-2 24 10
10 Boston University 10-4-1 17 NR
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 10[/u][/b], Robert Morris 4
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 40 7-0-1 0.9375 1 0.6843* 1[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota 39 13-1-2 0.8750 3 0.6830* 2
3 Wisconsin 38 14-1-1 0.9062 2 0.6812* 3
4 Northeastern 37 12-2-0 0.8571 4 0.6583* 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 36 9-2-0 0.8182 5 0.6158* 5[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 35 9-3-4 0.6875 11 0.6082 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 34 10-2-4 0.7500 7 0.5993* 7
8 Harvard 32 5-2-0 0.7143 9 0.5869* 8[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 32 11-3-1 0.7667 6 0.5827* 9
10 Boston University31 10-4-1 0.7000 10 0.5781 10
11 Minnesota Duluth30 7-5-2 0.5714 16 0.5744 11
[b][u]12 Colgate 29 8-6-3 0.5588 17 0.5513* 12[/u][/b]
13 Robert Morris 28 8-5-1 0.6071 14 0.5453* 13
14 Connecticut 26 8-5-1 0.6071 14 0.5389* 14
14 Mercyhurst 26 7-4-1 0.6250 13 0.5351 15
16 Maine 25 6-6-2 0.5000 20 0.5306 16
17 New Hampshire 24 7-7-2 0.5000 20 0.5304 17
18 Bemidji State 23 5-8-1 0.3929 26 0.5123 18
19 Providence 22 7-6-2 0.5333 19 0.5114 19
[b][u]20 Quinnipiac 21 6-6-3 0.5000 20 0.5112* 20
21 Yale 20 5-4-0 0.5556 18 0.5086* 21
22 St. Lawrence 19 5-6-3 0.4643 24 0.5023* 22[/u][/b]
Why are CHN's and USCHO's Pairwise rankings still so different??
Quote from: BeeeejWhy are CHN's and USCHO's Pairwise rankings still so different??
Alternative facts.
Well here's the top schools and their RPIs as calculated by USCHO & CHN.
(US)Rnk Team (US)PW (US)RPI (US)RPI (C)PCWs (C)RPI (C)Rk
Rnk
1 Cornell 59 0.7676* 1 59 .7256 1
2 Harvard 58 0.6758* 2 56 .6431 4
3 Minnesota State 57 0.6699* 3 58 .6592 2
4 North Dakota 56 0.6589* 4 57 .6589 3
5 Notre Dame 55 0.6223* 5 55 .6223 5
Since RPI is really the reason for ranking, the different way each calculates the RPI makes the difference.
I've not looked into how they do the calculations.
Maybe Adam could help us?
Quote from: Jim HylaMaybe Adam could help us?
Ours is right. Hope that helps :)
Quote from: adamwQuote from: Jim HylaMaybe Adam could help us?
Ours is right. Hope that helps :)
No, it doesn't, but then you knew that.
Poorly functioning ECAC.
Looks like we need to do well in Las Vegas, as well as in the ECAC.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Nov. 28-Dec. 1 (https://www.uscho.com/2019/12/01/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-nov-28-dec-1/)
No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] (12-1-1)
11/29/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] 4 at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1
11/30/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] 3 at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1
[b][u]No. 2 Cornell (9-0-0)[/u][/b]
11/30/2019 – No. 2 [b][u]Cornell[/u][/b] 2 vs RV Boston University 0
No. 3 [b][u]North Dakota[/u][/b] (12-1-2)
11/28/2019 – No. 3 [b][u]North Dakota[/u][/b] 9 at RV Minnesota 3
11/29/2019 – No. 3 [b][u]North Dakota[/u][/b] 3 at RV Minnesota 2
No. 4 [b][u]Denver[/u][/b] (9-3-2)
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]
No. 5 [b][u]Notre Dame[/u][/b] (8-4-2)
11/29/2019 – No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5 at No. 5 Notre Dame 2
11/30/2019 – No. 5 Notre Dame 2 at No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5
[b][u]No. 6 Clarkson (10-3-1)[/u][/b]
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]
No. 7 [b][u]Penn State[/u][/b] (11-4-0)
11/29/2019 – No. 7 [b][u]Penn State[/u][/b] 7 at Merrimack 0
11/30/2019 – No. 7 Penn State 2 at No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] 3 (OT)
No. 8 [b][u]Minnesota Duluth[/u][/b] (7-6-1)
11/29/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u] 4[/b] at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1
11/30/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] 3 at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1
[b][u]No. 9 Harvard (6-1-0)[/u][/b]
11/29/2019 – No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] 4 at No. 9 Harvard 2
No. 10 [b][u]Massachusetts[/u][/b] (9-4-1)
11/29/2019 – No. 10 [b][u]Massachusetts[/u][/b] 3 at RV Quinnipiac 0
11/30/2019 – RV [b][u]Quinnipiac[/u][/b] 2 at No. 10 Massachusetts 1
No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] (9-4-1)
11/30/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 1 at No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] 3
12/01/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 0 at No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] 2
No. 12 [b][u]Northeastern[/u][/b] (10-4-2)
11/29/2019 – No. 12 [b][u]Northeastern[/u][/b] 4 vs RV New Hampshire 0
11/30/2019 Colgate 3 vs No. 12 [b][u]Northeastern[/u][/b] 4
No. 13 [b][u]Providence[/u][/b] (8-4-3)
11/30/2019 – Brown 2 at No. 13 [b][u]Providence[/u][/b] 4
No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] (9-4-0)
11/26/2019 – Yale 2 at No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] 6
11/29/2019 – No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] 4 at No. 9 Harvard 2
No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] (9-3-4)
11/29/2019 – Rensselaer 0 at No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] 4
11/30/2019 – No. 7 Penn State 2 at No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] 3 (OT)
No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] (10-5-0)
11/29/2019 – No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5 at No. 5 Notre Dame 2
11/30/2019 – No. 5 Notre Dame 2 at No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5
No. 17 [b][u]Western Michigan[/u][/b] (7-5-2)
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]
No. 18 [b][u]Omaha[/u][/b] (6-4-2)
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]
No. 19 [b][u]Wisconsin[/u][/b] (7-8-1)
11/30/2019 – Michigan 2 at No. 19 [b][u]Wisconsin[/u][/b] 3
12/01/2019 – [b][u]Michigan[/u][/b] 3 at No. 19 Wisconsin 1
No. 20 [b][u]Michigan State[/u][/b] (6-7-1)
11/30/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 1 at No. 11 [b][b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b][/b] 3
12/01/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 0 at No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] 2
RV = Received Votes
So in response to they prior observation that there's a differance between the 2 PWRs, I've decided to post both.
[b][u]USCHO's[/u][/b] Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 59 9-0-0 1.0000 1 0.7173* 1[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota State 58 12-1-1 0.8929 2 0.6750* 2
3 North Dakota 57 12-1-2 0.8667 3 0.6609* 3
4 Denver 56 9-3-2 0.7143 7 0.5959* 4
5 Boston College 55 9-4-0 0.6923 9 0.5824 5
6 Bowling Green 54 10-5-0 0.6667 14 0.5819 6
7 Penn State 53 11-4-0 0.7333 6 0.5810 7
[b][u]8 Harvard 52 6-1-0 0.8571 4 0.5739* 8[/u][/b]
9 Notre Dame 51 8-4-2 0.6429 15 0.5734 9
10 Ohio State 50 9-4-1 0.6786 12 0.5660 10
11 Michigan Tech 49 8-7-0 0.5333 29 0.5473 11
[b][u]12 Clarkson 48 10-3-1 0.7500 5 0.5457* 12[/u][/b]
13 Minnesota Duluth47 7-6-1 0.5357 27 0.5452 13
14 Massachusetts 46 9-4-1 0.6786 12 0.5440 14
15 Western Michigan45 7-5-2 0.5714 22 0.5436 15
16 Arizona State 44 7-4-1 0.6250 17 0.5426 16
17 UMass Lowell 43 9-3-4 0.6875 10 0.5419 17
18 Providence 42 8-4-3 0.6333 16 0.5402 18
19 Northeastern 41 10-4-2 0.6875 10 0.5399 19
20 Army 40 10-4-0 0.7143 7 0.5396* 20
21 Omaha 39 6-4-2 0.5833 20 0.5293 21
22 Maine 38 8-5-3 0.5938 19 0.5255 22
23 Michigan State 37 6-7-1 0.4643 33 0.5232 23
[b][u]24 Dartmouth 36 3-2-1 0.5833 20 0.5217 24[/u][/b]
25 Alaska 35 9-9-0 0.5000 30 0.5197 25
26 Bemidji State 34 7-4-3 0.6071 18 0.5193 26
27 Colorado College33 4-5-1 0.4500 36 0.5137 27
[b][u]28 Quinnipiac 32 7-7-1 0.5000 30 0.5098 28[/u][/b]
[b]CHN's[/b] NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
[b][u]1 Cornell 59 .6869 1 .0033 9-0-0 1.0000 1.0000[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota State 58 .6679 2 .0142 12-1-1 .8929 .8732
3 North Dakota 57 .6596 3 .0090 12-1-2 .8667 .8824
4 Denver 56 .5959 4 .0065 9-3-2 .7143 .7000
5 Boston College 55 .5824 5 .0034 9-4-0 .6923 .7273
6 Bowling Green 54 .5819 6 .0093 10-5-0 .6667 .6667
7 Penn State 53 .5810 7 .0015 11-4-0 .7333 .6944
8 Notre Dame 52 .5734 8 .0034 8-4-2 .6429 .6562
[b][u]9 Harvard 51 .5728 9 .0000 6-1-0 .8571 .8333[/u][/b]
10 Ohio State 50 .5660 10 .0038 9-4-1 .6786 .6894
11 Michigan Tech 49 .5473 11 .0024 8-7-0 .5333 .5610
[b][u]12 Clarkson 48 .5456 12 .0000 10-3-1 .7500 .7534[/u][/b]
13 Minnesota-Duluth47 .5452 13 .0043 7-6-1 .5357 .5075
14 Massachusetts 46 .5440 14 .0015 9-4-1 .6786 .6769
15 Western Michigan45 .5436 15 .0070 7-5-2 .5714 .5870
16 Arizona State 44 .5426 16 .0000 7-4-1 .6250 .6316
17 Mass.-Lowell 43 .5419 17 .0033 9-3-4 .6875 .6625
18 Providence 42 .5402 18 .0055 8-4-3 .6333 .6133
19 Northeastern 41 .5399 19 .0011 10-4-2 .6875 .6974
20 Army 40 .5396 20 .0000 10-4-0 .7143 .7222
21 Nebraska-Omaha 39 .5293 21 .0033 6-4-2 .5833 .5833
22 Maine 38 .5255 22 .0003 8-5-3 .5938 .6301
23 Michigan State 37 .5232 23 .0061 6-7-1 .4643 .4928
[b][u]24 Dartmouth 36 .5217 24 .0000 3-2-1 .5833 .6207[/u][/b]
25 Alaska 35 .5197 25 .0072 9-9-0 .5000 .4894
26 Bemidji State 34 .5193 26 .0000 7-4-3 .6071 .6308
27 Colorado College33 .5137 27 .0002 4-5-1 .4500 .4314
[b][u]28 Quinnipiac 32 .5098 28 .0015 7-7-1 .5000 .5072[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - December 2, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota State (44) 12-1-1 994 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (6) 9-0-0 947 2[/u][/b]
3 North Dakota 12-1-2 889 3
4 Denver 9-3-2 826 4
[b][u]5 Clarkson 10-3-1 758 6[/u][/b]
6 Penn State 11-4-0 656 7
7 Ohio State 9-4-1 620 11
8 Northeastern 10-4-2 528 12
9 Notre Dame 8-4-2 527 5
10 Boston College 9-4-0 522 14
11 Massachusetts 9-4-1 491 10
[b][u]12 Harvard 6-1-0 488 9[/u][/b]
13 Bowling Green 10-5-0 478 16
14 Minnesota Duluth 7-6-1 429 8
15 Providence 8-4-3 388 13
16 UMass Lowell 9-3-4 375 15
17 Western Michigan 7-5-2 200 17
18 Omaha 6-4-2 128 18
19 Wisconsin 7-8-1 41 19
20 Arizona State 7-4-1 39 NR
Others receiving votes: Maine 27, [b][u]Quinnipiac 21[/u][/b], Northern Michigan 20,
Michigan State 19, Army 17, Sacred Heart 14, Alaska 12, Bemidji State 12,
Michigan Tech 10, [b][u]Dartmouth 7[/u][/b], RIT 7, New Hampshire 6, Robert Morris 3, Minnesota 1
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - December 2, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (8) 16-1-1 143 2
2 Minnesota (7) 14-1-3 142 1
3 Northeastern 13-2-0 111 4
[b][u]4 Cornell 9-1-1 109 3[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 10-4-4 77 6
[b][u]6 Princeton 9-2-0 74 5
7 Clarkson 12-2-4 63 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 11-4-2 52 8
9 Boston University 10-4-1 24 10
10 Minnesota Duluth 8-6-2 19 9
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 5,
Mercyhurst 5, [b][u]Harvard 1[/u][/b]
Just noticed the Vegas field has turned out to be strong:
1 9-0-0 Cornell
10 9-4-1 Ohio State
18 8-4-3 Providence
20 10-4-3 Army
A couple tweaks and that could be an NC$$ regional field (1/8/9/16)
So mea culpa ... our Pairwise was calculating incorrectly, but not because of the Pairwise algorithm, per se ... we had the site for some of the "Bad win" games all listed as home games, even when they were road games. Which - because of the weighting these days - messes things up. This was a dumb bug on my part introduced in June when I was playing around with some stuff.
Anyway - Pairwise is right now - so...thanks for the inspiration to get to the bottom of it.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
December 2, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 Minnesota State Univer 497 (21) 1 12-1-1 10
[b][u]2 Cornell University 486 (13) 2 9-0-0 10[/u][/b]
3 University North Dakota 431 3 12-1-2 6
4 University of Denver 392 5 9-3-2 10
[b][u]5 Clarkson University 304 8 10-3-1 10[/u][/b]
6 Penn State University 262 7 11-4-0 10
7 Boston College 254 12 9-4-0 7
8 Ohio State University 252 11 9-4-1 10
[b][u]9 Harvard University 229 6 6-1-0 5[/u][/b]
10 University of Notre Dame203 4 8-4-2 10
11 Bowling Green State 173 15 10-5-0 10
12 Northeastern University 159 13 10-4-2 10
13 University Massachusetts139 10 9-4-1 10
14 Univer Minnesota Duluth 105 9 7-6-1 10
15 Massachusetts Lowell 87 NR 9-3-4 3
Others receiving votes: Providence College 78, University of Nebraska Omaha 14,
Michigan Tech University 5, Western Michigan University 4,
University of Maine 4, Arizona State University 2.
the dismal state of the ecac has me mentally pumping the brakes on our team EVEN THOUGH I HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HAPPY WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN
Quote from: ugartethe dismal state of the ecac has me mentally pumping the brakes on our team EVEN THOUGH I HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HAPPY WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN
I figure some of that is bad luck. The conference's record against other conferences is SO bad, but it's also not that many games. A few close games go the other way and our conference record is only pretty bad and things would look better.
I think in a few months, we'll have fewer teams at the very bottom of the pairwise. Hopefully we're still towards the top.
Quote from: adamwSo mea culpa ... our Pairwise was calculating incorrectly, but not because of the Pairwise algorithm, per se ... we had the site for some of the "Bad win" games all listed as home games, even when they were road games. Which - because of the weighting these days - messes things up. This was a dumb bug on my part introduced in June when I was playing around with some stuff.
Anyway - Pairwise is right now - so...thanks for the inspiration to get to the bottom of it.
One would think that by now some sports nerd would have written a R package (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/available_packages_by_name.html) that, at a minimum, scrapes relevant data off the Web and computes RPI and the pairwise.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: adamwSo mea culpa ... our Pairwise was calculating incorrectly, but not because of the Pairwise algorithm, per se ... we had the site for some of the "Bad win" games all listed as home games, even when they were road games. Which - because of the weighting these days - messes things up. This was a dumb bug on my part introduced in June when I was playing around with some stuff.
Anyway - Pairwise is right now - so...thanks for the inspiration to get to the bottom of it.
One would think that by now some sports nerd would have written a R package (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/available_packages_by_name.html) that, at a minimum, scrapes relevant data off the Web and computes RPI and the pairwise.
Not sure I understand the point? Isn't that what we're doing?
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
December 3, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University of Wisconsin 183 (12) 2 16-1-1 11
2 University of Minnesota 178 (7) 1 14-1-3 11
3 Northeastern University 142 4 13-2-0 11
[b][u]4 Cornell University 137 3 9-1-1 11[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State University 102 7 10-4-4 11
[b][u]6 Princeton University 89 5 9-2-0 11
7 Clarkson University 82 6 12-2-4 11[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 69 8 11-4-2 10
9 Boston University 31 10 10-4-1 8
10 Univer Minnesota Duluth 26 9 8-6-2 9
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris University 4,
Mercyhurst University 1, [b][u]Quinnipiac University[/u][/b] 1.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: SwampyQuote from: adamwSo mea culpa ... our Pairwise was calculating incorrectly, but not because of the Pairwise algorithm, per se ... we had the site for some of the "Bad win" games all listed as home games, even when they were road games. Which - because of the weighting these days - messes things up. This was a dumb bug on my part introduced in June when I was playing around with some stuff.
Anyway - Pairwise is right now - so...thanks for the inspiration to get to the bottom of it.
One would think that by now some sports nerd would have written a R package (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/available_packages_by_name.html) that, at a minimum, scrapes relevant data off the Web and computes RPI and the pairwise.
Not sure I understand the point? Isn't that what we're doing?
There are a few points. (1) If the package scrapes web pages, then you would not be inputting data manually. Unless the source(s) were wrong (e.g. NC$$ site was wrong), the mistake you made could not have happened. (2) R packages are generally FOSS, so dozens of nerdy fans could be calculating the pairwise. This would make discrepancies easier to detect. (3) It would also allow fans to examine contingencies and play "what if?" E.g., I would have liked to compare wins by both teams in tonight's BU/Harvard matchup just to know which one to root for. (4) If the package were FOSS, then people could modify it to include visuals, KRACH instead of RPI, etc. (5) Also because it's FOSS, bugs are eliminated more ruthlessly. Many years ago I used a specialized R package to do a statistical analysis, but I was suspicious of the results. So I found a textbook example of the kind of analysis I was doing and fed the textbook's data into the R package. The results differed from the textbook's. Because it was FOSS, I could dig into the calculations and figure out where the R package diverged from the textbook's calculations. This led me to discover a bug in the R code. Not only was I able to correct it and fix my analysis, I also reported the bug and showed how to fix it.
Quote from: SwampyThere are a few points. (1) If the package scrapes web pages, then you would not be inputting data manually. Unless the source(s) were wrong (e.g. NC$$ site was wrong), the mistake you made could not have happened. (2) R packages are generally FOSS, so dozens of nerdy fans could be calculating the pairwise. This would make discrepancies easier to detect. (3) It would also allow fans to examine contingencies and play "what if?" E.g., I would have liked to compare wins by both teams in tonight's BU/Harvard matchup just to know which one to root for. (4) If the package were FOSS, then people could modify it to include visuals, KRACH instead of RPI, etc. (5) Also because it's FOSS, bugs are eliminated more ruthlessly. Many years ago I used a specialized R package to do a statistical analysis, but I was suspicious of the results. So I found a textbook example of the kind of analysis I was doing and fed the textbook's data into the R package. The results differed from the textbook's. Because it was FOSS, I could dig into the calculations and figure out where the R package diverged from the textbook's calculations. This led me to discover a bug in the R code. Not only was I able to correct it and fix my analysis, I also reported the bug and showed how to fix it.
1) We are not manually entering anything. ... what we're doing is much more efficient than scraping web pages. Whose web pages would you be scraping? We get our data from official sources - entered into a database automatically. The only manual entry is at arenas. That original source would be prone to an error no matter what. The only places you could scrape from are either us, or the same official source as us. You would be just as prone to making an error in processing data from scraping, as I am in getting it from an official source. In actuality, the error was not exactly as I explained. It had nothing to do with a data source error - but just in the way it was being tallied up. One line of code that tallies up weighted home/road "points" solely for the purpose of discarding "bad wins" - hard to explain - anyway ... 2) there are numerous fans who already do calculate the Pairwise too, FYI - and we already cooperate with them - and vice-versa - in order to point out discrepancies and figure out where our calculations go awry - which usually only happens when there is some sort of criteria change - except in this case, where I was dumb and left out a line after doing some refactoring over the summer. ... 3) We have a "what if" calculator on our site, as did John Whelan for years - but if you want to have at doing another one, be my guest. In fact, feel free to work on improving ours :) ...
I really know nothing about the rest of it - but go for it. I don't think it would accomplish what you think it would - but feel free to have at it.
The error was caught. Would it have been caught faster if hundreds of nerds were also compiling their own Pairwise? Maybe. But you'd still have to know how to calculate the Pairwise correctly - because there's a lot to it under the hood that is not officially explained anywhere. There is no "textbook" in this case. So ... good luck :)
While we're at it, thanks for putting up KRACH, even though Cornell is shown with an infinite rating. When did Whelan give up on the fictitious games? I know I've had discussions with him in the past where he vociferously defended including it, even up to the end of the season when the sample size is merely tiny and not infinitesimal.
Just curious.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: SwampyThere are a few points. (1) If the package scrapes web pages, then you would not be inputting data manually. Unless the source(s) were wrong (e.g. NC$$ site was wrong), the mistake you made could not have happened. (2) R packages are generally FOSS, so dozens of nerdy fans could be calculating the pairwise. This would make discrepancies easier to detect. (3) It would also allow fans to examine contingencies and play "what if?" E.g., I would have liked to compare wins by both teams in tonight's BU/Harvard matchup just to know which one to root for. (4) If the package were FOSS, then people could modify it to include visuals, KRACH instead of RPI, etc. (5) Also because it's FOSS, bugs are eliminated more ruthlessly. Many years ago I used a specialized R package to do a statistical analysis, but I was suspicious of the results. So I found a textbook example of the kind of analysis I was doing and fed the textbook's data into the R package. The results differed from the textbook's. Because it was FOSS, I could dig into the calculations and figure out where the R package diverged from the textbook's calculations. This led me to discover a bug in the R code. Not only was I able to correct it and fix my analysis, I also reported the bug and showed how to fix it.
1) We are not manually entering anything. ... what we're doing is much more efficient than scraping web pages. Whose web pages would you be scraping? We get our data from official sources - entered into a database automatically. The only manual entry is at arenas. That original source would be prone to an error no matter what. The only places you could scrape from are either us, or the same official source as us. You would be just as prone to making an error in processing data from scraping, as I am in getting it from an official source. In actuality, the error was not exactly as I explained. It had nothing to do with a data source error - but just in the way it was being tallied up. One line of code that tallies up weighted home/road "points" solely for the purpose of discarding "bad wins" - hard to explain - anyway ... 2) there are numerous fans who already do calculate the Pairwise too, FYI - and we already cooperate with them - and vice-versa - in order to point out discrepancies and figure out where our calculations go awry - which usually only happens when there is some sort of criteria change - except in this case, where I was dumb and left out a line after doing some refactoring over the summer. ... 3) We have a "what if" calculator on our site, as did John Whelan for years - but if you want to have at doing another one, be my guest. In fact, feel free to work on improving ours :) ...
I really know nothing about the rest of it - but go for it. I don't think it would accomplish what you think it would - but feel free to have at it.
The error was caught. Would it have been caught faster if hundreds of nerds were also compiling their own Pairwise? Maybe. But you'd still have to know how to calculate the Pairwise correctly - because there's a lot to it under the hood that is not officially explained anywhere. There is no "textbook" in this case. So ... good luck :)
Thanks, Adam. Much of what you say is new information I didn't know.
I guess my biggest point is if there were an authoritative, completely FOSS version of software to compute RPI and Pairwise, an individual's coding mistake would not only be discovered quickly, but also multiple users of the software would be likely to bring this discovery to light.
I didn't know you were loading official data into your database. In fact, I didn't know such data are available. Certainly this is preferable to scraping web pages, although one could argue that a web page is just another data format. I frequently use data that are downloadable in a database-friendly format (e.g., csv files), but sometimes an agency only publishes data on a web site. In both cases, once the code is written to import the data, I hardly notice any difference between different kinds of sources. (How the data are organized -- e.g. as a time series versus one-shot, Saturday night results -- is an entirely different matter.)
Off the top of my head, if I were to choose a single data source, it would be the NC$$'s official results.
Your last point is also mine. I was assuming there would be one authoritative package that's known to produce correct results. This would be the starting point for any enhancements.
So, to follow up this discussion, what software do you use? What programming language is it written in? Is it publicly available? If so, how? Is it free? What copyright or other licensing restrictions does it have? Is it open source?
Can we appreciate both CHN and indy nerds who reverse-engineer everything, or do we have to take sides here?
Just tell me whom to hate, dammit!
I'm still curious about the official rankings, which are described as being an enigmatic process that is best approximated by the pairwise.
I'm always a little worried when we're right on the bubble that the mystery will somehow keep us out.
Quote from: TrotskyCan we appreciate both CHN and indy nerds who reverse-engineer everything, or do we have to take sides here?
Just tell me whom to hate, dammit!
Starts with an H...
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyCan we appreciate both CHN and indy nerds who reverse-engineer everything, or do we have to take sides here?
Just tell me whom to hate, dammit!
Starts with an H...
Whose loss dropped their PWR to 11 and also dropped the PWR of Clarkson, Dartmouth and Q. Can't anyone else in the ECAC help us and the rest of the league.
I can see EZAC popping up all over
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyCan we appreciate both CHN and indy nerds who reverse-engineer everything, or do we have to take sides here?
Just tell me whom to hate, dammit!
Starts with an H...
Whose loss dropped their PWR to 11 and also dropped the PWR of Clarkson, Dartmouth and Q. Can't anyone else in the ECAC help us and the rest of the league.
I can see EZAC popping up all over
I think whoever said the OOC records will likely even out over the holidays is right. My baseline expectation is the league will be pretty similar to where it was last year overall, when ECAC teams went .481 in inter-conference play. Right now it looks awful though - .381 to date. :/
On a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
Quote from: Tom LentoOn a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
I think the tournament in Vegas will be very telling - it's a strong field overall, so if we can come out of there with two wins I'll have some genuine confidence for March.
I'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: Tom LentoOn a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
I think the tournament in Vegas will be very telling - it's a strong field overall, so if we can come out of there with two wins I'll have some genuine confidence for March.
For truth quoted is.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyCan we appreciate both CHN and indy nerds who reverse-engineer everything, or do we have to take sides here?
Just tell me whom to hate, dammit!
Starts with an H...
Whose loss dropped their PWR to 11 and also dropped the PWR of Clarkson, Dartmouth and Q. Can't anyone else in the ECAC help us and the rest of the league.
I can see EZAC popping up all over
I think whoever said the OOC records will likely even out over the holidays is right. My baseline expectation is the league will be pretty similar to where it was last year overall, when ECAC teams went .481 in inter-conference play. Right now it looks awful though - .381 to date. :/
On a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
I figure the ECAC ooc record has to improve, largely because it can't get much worse.
Quote from: Tom LentoI think whoever said the OOC records will likely even out over the holidays is right. My baseline expectation is the league will be pretty similar to where it was last year overall, when ECAC teams went .481 in inter-conference play. Right now it looks awful though - .381 to date. :/
On a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
Is that SoS looking at the entire schedule including games not yet played? If it is, I'd be interested in SoS of only games played for a sense of how impressive, or not, Cornell's 9-0-0 is. (Well, it's impressive regardless not having had an "off" day through nine games, but could be more so if SoS of those games is higher than 51st.)
Quote from: JasonN95Is that SoS looking at the entire schedule including games not yet played? If it is, I'd be interested in SoS of only games played for a sense of how impressive, or not, Cornell's 9-0-0 is. (Well, it's impressive regardless not having had an "off" day through nine games, but could be more so if SoS of those games is higher than 51st.)
SoS in KRACH is always only looking at games already played.
Quote from: DafatoneI figure the ECAC ooc record has to improve, largely because it can't get much worse.
Harvard at the Beanpot: "challenge accepted!"
Quote from: SwampyI guess my biggest point is if there were an authoritative, completely FOSS version of software to compute RPI and Pairwise, an individual's coding mistake would not only be discovered quickly, but also multiple users of the software would be likely to bring this discovery to light.
That's not really possible. See below.
Quote from: SwampyI didn't know you were loading official data into your database. In fact, I didn't know such data are available. Certainly this is preferable to scraping web pages, although one could argue that a web page is just another data format. I frequently use data that are downloadable in a database-friendly format (e.g., csv files), but sometimes an agency only publishes data on a web site. In both cases, once the code is written to import the data, I hardly notice any difference between different kinds of sources. (How the data are organized -- e.g. as a time series versus one-shot, Saturday night results -- is an entirely different matter.)
Off the top of my head, if I were to choose a single data source, it would be the NC$$'s official results.
This is the data we receive. We pay for it. It still needs to be processed and tallied.
Quote from: SwampyYour last point is also mine. I was assuming there would be one authoritative package that's known to produce correct results. This would be the starting point for any enhancements.
There is. The one the NCAA uses. Everyone else, reverse engineers from there. You need to understand, I think, that an error like this is pretty rare. The last one that caused a calculation issue on CHN was probably 6 years ago. I can't vouch for other places. Of course, enhancements like you mention are wonderful ideas. My suggestion on that is - if you want to see more enhancements, come help me at CHN :)
Quote from: SwampySo, to follow up this discussion, what software do you use? What programming language is it written in? Is it publicly available? If so, how? Is it free? What copyright or other licensing restrictions does it have? Is it open source?
I use PHP - but that's pretty much neither here nor there. It could be done in anything. No it's not publicly available, no it's not open source, and it won't be. At least not mine. Like I said, if you - or whoever - wants to have a go at that, go for it. But CHN is theoretically attempting to make some pennies at doing this, so I'm not sure it's wise to make it open source. It also would probably be frowned upon by the NCAA - because reasons. That said, as I alluded to before, in the spirit of collegiality I converse with a few other "fan" blogs/people/sites that also attempt to do their own Pairwise, to compare notes, and make sure we're not making errors.
But understand, you will never know whether what you are doing is incorrect because of your own error (or the collective nerds), or because of CHN's error. Because you will have no textbook to refer to. No official source. That is why I wasn't sure whether the discrepancy was USCHO's fault, or CHN's. I assumed the former because, well, reasons again :) - but I was wrong this time. What CHN publishes is technically not official. There is no official, except what the NCAA produces - which is kept secret. I can't get into it much further than that.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: Tom LentoOn a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
I think the tournament in Vegas will be very telling - it's a strong field overall, so if we can come out of there with two wins I'll have some genuine confidence for March.
I was going to say something like "Since the worst thing that can happen to our SOS is to have Army do whatever we do in the first game, Army will do whatever we do in the first game." Then I checked and Army is at 20, hardly a material difference from Providence at 17.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Tom LentoOn a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
I think the tournament in Vegas will be very telling - it's a strong field overall, so if we can come out of there with two wins I'll have some genuine confidence for March.
I was going to say something like "Since the worst thing that can happen to our SOS is to have Army do whatever we do in the first game, Army will do whatever we do in the first game." Then I checked and Army is at 20, hardly a material difference from Providence at 17.
Even so, isn't SOS dynamic? If Army beats Providence, their RPI will go up and PC's down, so if we also beat OSU, we'll probably be facing #18 or 19 instead of #20. Should improve our SOS no matter what happens in the actual game. Now, if we both
lose, on the other hand...
I predict if we win we'll be fine.
Quote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
I was gonna make a comment about the 1956 Clarkson team, but it looks like they were left out due to ineligible players rather than a soft schedule.
you win enough games and it wont matter who you beat, just avoid losing the really bad teams
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: ugarteQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Tom LentoOn a related note, Cornell has the 51st ranked schedule strength in KRACH, and it's so terrible largely due to the ECAC part of the schedule (note: it is set at NaN, so I don't really know how it gets ranked anywhere other than last, but Colgate is 44th so it's probably not too far wrong). By contrast, Minnesota State is 12-1-1 against the toughest schedule in the nation, and NoDak and Denver have run up impressive records against similarly tough competition.
On the other hand, Cornell is 9-0-0. I'm enjoying that. :D
I think the tournament in Vegas will be very telling - it's a strong field overall, so if we can come out of there with two wins I'll have some genuine confidence for March.
I was going to say something like "Since the worst thing that can happen to our SOS is to have Army do whatever we do in the first game, Army will do whatever we do in the first game." Then I checked and Army is at 20, hardly a material difference from Providence at 17.
i'm just saying i expected army to be like 36 but they aren't so it probably doesn't matter who we play in the second game (even though i suspect by the end of the season there will be more separation between providence and army and we'd rather play and beat providence)
Even so, isn't SOS dynamic? If Army beats Providence, their RPI will go up and PC's down, so if we also beat OSU, we'll probably be facing #18 or 19 instead of #20. Should improve our SOS no matter what happens in the actual game. Now, if we both lose, on the other hand...
Cornell was taken out of the mix because our KRACH cannot be calculated. What does that mean for teams that played us? I assume those games not included in their KRACH/SOS calculation... which artificially would lower their SOS... which in turn lowers our apparent SOS.
My guess is we will see an uptick in both (us and opponent) SOS if/when Cornell has a non-infinite rating.
Quote from: KenPCornell was taken out of the mix because our KRACH cannot be calculated. What does that mean for teams that played us? I assume those games not included in their KRACH/SOS calculation... which artificially would lower their SOS... which in turn lowers our apparent SOS.
Herre's hoping that's a problem all season...
Quote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
I don't know what the official SOS was, but it's funny that we played BU twice that year during the RS, and BU won the NC in 1971 and 1972. So they couldn't have been that bad in 1970.
We also played BC once. And I do remember them being a power when we first started whupping them in the late 1960s.
We played both SLU & Harvard twice during the RS and then again during the ECAC tourney. So at least by ECAC standards, they couldn't have been too bad either.
Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.
An interesting side note on that season is that we beat Dartmouth by one goal, 3-2 on Feb. 21 at Dartmouth. But Ned must have had a word with the boys, because on Mar. 4 we beat Dartmouth 14-0 at Lynah. It was our most lopsided win of the season.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.
If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.
If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.
The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. (https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html) Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.
Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.
If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.
The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. (https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html) Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.
Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.
Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.
IIRC, during the 3-division period each division had to be represented in the top 4 seeds. That's how Harvard got a 4 seed in 1982 and 1984 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_Standings/ecacStandings1980s.html) with the 8th and 7th best records, respectively.
(Figures Harvard would benefit from a set aside.)
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.
If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.
The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. (https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html) Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.
Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.
Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.
No, straight win percentage was used from at least 1967 (my freshmen year) onward. With everyone playing varying amounts of games, there weren't many tiebreakers to worry about. Being a math nerd, I used to run all the possible permutations before the last weekend, and as the scores came in on the last Saturday, we'd know exactly what the first round match-ups would be.
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.
If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.
The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. (https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html) Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.
Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.
Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.
No, straight win percentage was used from at least 1967 (my freshmen year) onward. With everyone playing varying amounts of games, there weren't many tiebreakers to worry about. Being a math nerd, I used to run all the possible permutations before the last weekend, and as the scores came in on the last Saturday, we'd know exactly what the first round match-ups would be.
I was a freshman at RPI in 64-65, but 68-69, my first year in grad school, was the first year that I really paid attention because it was the first year that RPI made the playoffs or was even seriously considered since I was in HS. Looking at the standings https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html, RPI was 7th but was seeded 5th and played 6th-place, but 4th-seeded, BU in Boston. The smoke-filled room was still used back then.
I should add that the RPI fandom believed that we should have gotten home ice because we defeated BU 7-0 in the regular season.
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyI'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.
Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.
Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.
If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.
The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. (https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html) Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.
Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.
Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.
No, straight win percentage was used from at least 1967 (my freshmen year) onward. With everyone playing varying amounts of games, there weren't many tiebreakers to worry about. Being a math nerd, I used to run all the possible permutations before the last weekend, and as the scores came in on the last Saturday, we'd know exactly what the first round match-ups would be.
In 1972 Harvard had better % than BU, but BU got the #2 seed.
In 1970 BC had the #6 %, but got the #4 seed.
In 1969 Harvard had #3 %, with #2 seed. BU went from #6 to #4 and RPI #7 to #5.
So there was at least some mixng back then.
Quote from: ugarteI was going to say something like "Since the worst thing that can happen to our SOS is to have Army do whatever we do in the first game, Army will do whatever we do in the first game." Then I checked and Army is at 20, hardly a material difference from Providence at 17.
10-4 Army now #19 in pairwise, two slots above 6-3 Harvard. May change as evening progresses.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Dec. 6-8 (https://www.uscho.com/2019/12/08/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-dec-6-8-2/)
1 How far will CU fall?
2 How far will Harvard fall?
No. 1 Minnesota State (14-1-1)
12/06/2019 – Lake Superior State 1 at [b][u]No. 1 Minnesota State 5[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – Lake Superior State 0 at [b][u]No. 1 Minnesota State 2[/u][/b]
No. 2 Cornell (10-1-0)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 2 Cornell 3[/u][/b] at No. 12 Harvard 1
12/07/2019 – No. 2 Cornell 1 at [b][u]RV Dartmouth 2[/u][/b]
No. 3 North Dakota (14-1-2)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 1[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 0 (OT)
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 8[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 2
No. 4 Denver (9-4-3)
12/06/2019 – No. 4 Denver 1 at [b][u]No. 20 Arizona State 4[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 4 Denver 2 at No. 20 Arizona State 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 5 Clarkson (11-3-1)
12/07/2019 – St. Lawrence 1 at [b][u]No. 5 Clarkson 3[/u][/b]
No. 6 Penn State (12-5-0)
12/06/2019 – No. 6 Penn State 1 at [b][u]Michigan 4[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 6 Penn State 3[/u][/b] at Michigan 1
No. 7 Ohio State (10-4-2)
12/06/2019 – RV Minnesota 2 at [b][u]No. 7 Ohio State 3 (OT)[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]RV Minnesota 1 at No. 7 Ohio State 1 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 8 Northeastern (10-5-2)
12/07/2019 – No. 8 Northeastern 3 at [b][u]Boston University 6[/u][/b]
No. 9 Notre Dame (8-6-2)
12/06/2019 – No. 9 Notre Dame 0 at [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 4[/u][/b]
12/08/2019 – [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 6[/u][/b] at No. 9 Notre Dame 1
No. 10 Boston College (11-4-0)
12/06/2019 – No. 9 Notre Dame 0 at [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 4[/u][/b]
12/08/2019 – [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 6[/u][/b] at No. 9 Notre Dame 1
No. 11 Massachusetts (11-4-1)
12/06/2019 – RV Maine 1 at [b][u]No. 11 Massachusetts 5[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – RV Maine 1 at [b][u]No. 11 Massachusetts 4[/u][/b]
No. 12 Harvard (6-4-0)
12/03/2019 – No. 12 Harvard 2 at [b][u]Boston University 5[/u][/b]
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 2 Cornell 3[/u][/b] at No. 12 Harvard 1
12/07/2019 – [b][u]Colgate 4[/u][/b] at No. 12 Harvard 3 (OT)
No. 13 Bowling Green (11-5-1)
12/06/2019 – Alabama Huntsville 3 at [b][u]No. 13 Bowling Green 9[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]Alabama Huntsville 2 at No. 13 Bowling Green 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 14 Minnesota Duluth (9-6-1)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 6[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 4[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3
No. 15 Providence (9-5-3)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 UMass Lowell 3[/u][/b] at No. 15 Providence 2
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 15 Providence 4[/u][/b] at No. 16 UMass Lowell 1
No. 16 UMass Lowell (10-4-4)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 UMass Lowell 3[/u][/b] at No. 15 Providence 2
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 15 Providence 4[/u][/b] at No. 16 UMass Lowell 1
No. 17 Western Michigan (7-7-2)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 1[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 0 (OT)
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 8[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 2
No. 18 Omaha (6-6-2)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 6[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 4[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3
No. 19 Wisconsin (7-10-1)
12/06/2019 – No. 19 Wisconsin 0 at [b][u]RV Michigan State 3[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – No. 19 Wisconsin 4 at [b][u]RV Michigan State 5 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 20 Arizona State (8-4-2)
12/06/2019 – No. 4 Denver 1 at [b][u]No. 20 Arizona State 4[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 4 Denver 2 at No. 20 Arizona State 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
RV = Received Votes
Cornell will fall to 4, Harvard will fall into RV.
Third.
Denver, Penn State, Ohio State all had weekends similar or worse than ours. Clarkson isn't passing us by winning one game vs SLU.
Quote from: DafatoneThird.
Denver, Penn State, Ohio State all had weekends similar or worse than ours.
Doesn't matter. EZAC. Don't call it a comeback.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneThird.
Denver, Penn State, Ohio State all had weekends similar or worse than ours.
Doesn't matter. EZAC. Don't call it a comeback.
I don't see a team that went 0-1-1 last weekend passing us, but I could be wrong.
You weren't wrong (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/).
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - December 9, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota State (43) 14-1-1 992 1
2 North Dakota (6) 14-1-2 937 3
[b][u]3 Cornell (1) 10-1-0 890 2
4 Clarkson 11-3-1 826 5[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 11-4-0 746 10
6 Ohio State 10-4-2 699 7
7 Penn State 12-5-0 684 6
8 Denver 9-4-3 652 4
9 Massachusetts 11-4-1 618 11
10 Bowling Green 11-5-1 500 13
11 Minnesota Duluth 9-6-1 495 14
12 Northeastern 10-5-2 425 8
13 Providence 9-5-3 381 15
14 UMass Lowell 10-4-4 373 16
15 Notre Dame 8-6-2 334 9
16 Arizona State 8-4-2 264 20
[b][u]17 Harvard 6-4-0 217 12[/u][/b]
18 Michigan State 8-7-1 127 NR
19 Western Michigan 7-7-2 89 17
20 Sacred Heart 11-6-1 56 NR
Others receiving votes: Michigan Tech 52, Northern Michigan 30,
Omaha 25, RIT 13, Army 13, [b][u]Quinnipiac 13[/u][/b], Wisconsin 12,
Boston University 9, Alaska 6, Colorado College 5,
[b][u]Dartmouth 5[/u][/b], Bemidji State 5, Maine 3, [b][u]Colgate 3[/u][/b], St. Cloud 1
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
December 9, 2019[/b]
Team (First) Points Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 Minnesota State University (34) 510 1 14-1-1 11
2 University of North Dakota 469 3 14-1-2 7
[b][u]3 Cornell University 435 2 10-1-0 11[/u][/b]
4 Boston College 361 7 11-4-0 8
[b][u]5 Clarkson University 338 5 11-3-1 11[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State University 323 8 10-4-2 11
7 Penn State University 309 6 12-5-0 11
8 University of Denver 290 4 9-4-3 11
9 University of Massachusetts 238 13 11-4-1 11
10 Bowling Green State University 181 11 11-5-1 11
11 University of Minnesota Duluth 165 14 9-6-1 11
12 Northeastern University 114 12 10-5-2 11
13 University Massachusetts Lowell 95 15 10-4-4 4
14 University of Notre Dame 87 10 8-6-2 11
15 Arizona State University 66 NR 8-4-2 1
Others receiving votes: Providence College 58, [b][u]Harvard University 25[/u][/b],
Michigan Tech University 10, Northern Michigan University 5, Michigan State University 1.
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - December 9, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (11) 18-1-1 146 1
2 Minnesota (4) 15-1-3 137 2
3 Northeastern 14-2-0 114 3
[b][u]4 Cornell 11-1-1 112 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 10-4-4 82 5
[b][u]6 Clarkson 14-2-4 74 7
7 Princeton 10-3-0 59 6[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 12-4-1 50 9
9 Boston College 11-6-2 22 8
10 Minnesota Duluth 8-8-2 16 10
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 6[/u][/b], Mercyhurst 5,
[b][u]Quinnipiac 1[/u][/b], Robert Morris 1
[b]CHN PWR[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Minnesota State 59 .6658 1 .0148 14-1-1 .9062 .8861
2 North Dakota 58 .6648 2 .0073 14-1-2 .8824 .9000
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .6455 3 .0035 10-1-0 .9091 .9273[/u][/b]
4 Denver 56 .5876 5 .0075 9-4-3 .6562 .6582
5 Boston College 55 .5883 4 .0028 11-4-0 .7333 .7632
6 Penn State 54 .5732 6 .0024 12-5-0 .7059 .6829
7 Bowling Green 53 .5644 7 .0059 11-5-1 .6765 .6667
8 Ohio State 52 .5609 8 .0038 10-4-2 .6875 .6867
9 Arizona State 51 .5565 9 .0036 8-4-2 .6429 .6364
10 Massachusetts 50 .5554 10 .0017 11-4-1 .7188 .7123
11 Mass.-Lowell 49 .5506 11 .0044 10-4-4 .6667 .6413
12 Minnesota-Duluth48 .5499 12 .0046 9-6-1 .5938 .5823
13 Michigan Tech 47 .5474 13 .0023 10-7-0 .5882 .6000
14 Notre Dame 46 .5444 14 .0038 8-6-2 .5625 .5676
[b][u]15 Clarkson 45 .5436 15 .0000 11-3-1 .7667 .7662[/u][/b]
16 Providence 44 .5430 16 .0064 9-5-3 .6176 .5977
17 Northeastern 43 .5407 17 .0020 10-5-2 .6471 .6625
18 Michigan State 42 .5373 18 .0043 8-7-1 .5312 .5455
19 Colorado College41 .5279 19 .0005 6-5-1 .5417 .5397
20 Sacred Heart 40 .5277 20 .0000 11-6-1 .6389 .6392
21 Bemidji State 39 .5232 21 .0000 8-5-3 .5938 .6000
22 Western Michigan38 .5224 22 .0064 7-7-2 .5000 .5000
23 Army 37 .5189 23 .0000 11-5-0 .6875 .6829
24 RIT 36 .5166 24 .0019 10-6-2 .6111 .6111
25 Alaska 35 .5160 25 .0063 10-10-0 .5000 .5000
26 Maine 34 .5153 26 .0009 8-7-3 .5278 .5679
[b][u]27 Harvard 33 .5150 27 .0000 6-4-0 .6000 .5769
28 Quinnipiac 31 .5133 28 .0026 7-7-1 .5000 .5072
29 Dartmouth 30 .5095 29 .0046 4-3-1 .5625 .5641[/u][/b]
30 Northern Michigan30 .5076 30 .0004 8-6-2 .5625 .5488
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
December 10, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Record Weeks in Poll
1 University of Wisconsin 186 (15)2 18-1-1 12
2 University of Minnesota 173 (4) 1 15-1-3 12
[b][u]3 Cornell University 145 4 11-1-1 12[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern University 139 3 14-2-0 12
5 Ohio State University 91 7 10-4-4 12
[b][u]6 Clarkson University 79 5 14-2-4 12
7 Princeton University 68 6 10-3-0 12[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 67 8 12-4-1 9
9 Boston College 30 10 11-6-2 11
10 Univer Minnesota Duluth 22 9 8-8-2 10
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University 4[/u][/b],
Mercyhurst University 4, [b][u]Qunnipiac(?) University 1[/u][/b],
Robert Morris University 1.
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 18-1-1 0.9250 1 0.7044* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 39 11-1-1 0.8846 2 0.6865* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 15-1-3 0.8684 4 0.6780* 3
4 Northeastern 37 14-2-0 0.8750 3 0.6480* 4
5 Ohio State 36 10-4-4 0.6667 9 0.6130 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 35 10-3-0 0.7692 6 0.6122* 6
7 Clarkson 34 14-2-4 0.8000 5 0.6041* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 12-4-1 0.7353 7 0.5940* 8
[b][u]9 Harvard 31 7-4-0 0.6364 11 0.5720* 9[/u][/b]
9 Boston College 31 11-6-2 0.6316 13 0.5564* 10
11 Minnesota Duluth30 8-8-2 0.5000 22 0.5517 11
12 Robert Morris 29 10-6-2 0.6111 14 0.5453* 12
[b][u]13 Quinnipiac 28 9-7-3 0.5526 17 0.5374* 13[/u][/b]
14 Mercyhurst 27 10-5-1 0.6562 10 0.5359 14
[b][u]15 Colgate 26 9-8-3 0.5250 21 0.5335* 15[/u][/b]
Mankato lost to NMU tonight. Cornell moves to #2 in PWR and NoDak becomes the third #1 in a week.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Dec. 13-15 By USCHO Staff - (https://www.uscho.com/2019/12/15/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-dec-13-15/)
No. 1 Minnesota State (15-2-1)
12/13/2019 – [b][u]No. 1 Minnesota State 5[/u][/b] at RV Northern Michigan 2
12/14/2019 – No. 1 Minnesota State 1 at [b][u]RV Northern Michigan 4[/u][/b]
No. 2 North Dakota (14-1-2)
Did not play.
No. 3 Cornell (10-1-0)
Did not play.
No. 4 Clarkson (12-3-2)
12/13/2019 – [b][u]No. 4 Clarkson 2 at RV Michigan Tech 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
12/14/2019 – [b][u]No. 4 Clarkson 4[/u][/b] at RV Michigan Tech 2
No. 5 Boston College (11-4-0)
Did not play.
No. 6 Ohio State (10-4-2)
Did not play.
No. 7 Penn State (13-6-0)
12/13/2019 – [b][u]No. 7 Penn State 4[/u][/b] at No. 15 Notre Dame 2
12/14/2019 – No. 7 Penn State 0 at [b][u]No. 15 Notre Dame 3[/u][/b]
No. 8 Denver (11-4-3)
12/13/2019 – RV Colorado College 0 at [b][u]No. 8 Denver 3[/u][/b]
12/14/2019 – [b][u]No. 8 Denver 3[/u][/b] at RV Colorado College 1
No. 9 Massachusetts (12-4-1)
12/10/2019 – [b][u]No. 9 Massachusetts 4[/u][/b] at Brown 0
No. 10 Bowling Green (12-6-1)
12/13/2019 – [b][u]No. 10 Bowling Green 2[/u][/b] at Lake Superior 0
12/14/2019 – No. 10 Bowling Green 2 at [b][u]Lake Superior 3 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 11 Minnesota Duluth (9-6-1)
Did not play.
No. 12 Northeastern (11-5-2)
12/14/2019 – RV Dartmouth 4 at [b][u]No. 12 Northeastern 6[/u][/b]
No. 13 Providence (9-5-3)
Did not play.
No. 14 UMass Lowell (10-4-4)
Did not play.
No. 15 Notre Dame (9-7-2)
12/13/2019 – [b][u]No. 7 Penn State 4[/u][/b] at No. 15 Notre Dame 2
12/14/2019 – No. 7 Penn State 0 at [b][u]No. 15 Notre Dame 3[/u][/b]
No. 16 Arizona State (9-5-2)
12/14/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 Arizona State 4[/u][/b] at No. 18 Michigan State 3
12/15/2019 – No. 16 Arizona State 0 at [b][u]No. 18 Michigan State 1 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 17 Harvard (6-4-0)
Did not play.
No. 18 Michigan State (9-8-1)
12/14/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 Arizona State 4[/u][/b] at No. 18 Michigan State 3
12/15/2019 – No. 16 Arizona State 0 at [b][u]No. 18 Michigan State 1 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 19 Western Michigan (7-7-2)
Did not play.
No. 20 Sacred Heart (11-6-1)
Did not play.
RV = Received Votes
12/16: 3rd in USCHO with (4) first place votes. USA may already be in remission.
Late this week. I was at a Keb' Mo concert last night.::banana::
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - December 16, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (33) 14-1-2 979 2
2 Minnesota State (13) 15-2-1 948 1
[b][u]3 Cornell (4) 10-1-0 917 3
4 Clarkson 12-3-2 813 4[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 11-4-0 789 5
6 Ohio State 10-4-2 699 6
6 Denver 11-4-3 699 8
8 Penn State 13-6-0 647 7
9 Massachusetts 12-4-1 628 9
10 Minnesota Duluth 9-6-1 506 11
11 Bowling Green 12-6-1 463 10
12 Northeastern 11-5-2 450 12
13 Providence 9-5-3 407 13
14 UMass Lowell 10-4-4 397 14
15 Notre Dame 9-7-2 311 15
16 Arizona State 9-5-2 278 16
[b][u]17 Harvard 6-4-0 174 17[/u][/b]
18 Michigan State 9-8-1 145 18
19 Western Michigan 7-7-2 77 19
20 Sacred Heart 11-6-1 56 20
Others receiving votes: Northern Michigan 31, Army 31,
Michigan Tech 31, Alaska 7, Bemidji State 5,
Boston University 4, [b][u]Quinnipiac 4[/u][/b], RIT 3, [b][u]Dartmouth 1[/u][/b]
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
December 16, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University North Dakota 500 (26) 2 14-1-2 8
2 Minnesota State Univer 472 (8) 1 15-2-1 12
[b][u]3 Cornell University 448 3 10-1-0 12[/u][/b]
4 Boston College 382 4 11-4-0 9
[b][u]5 Clarkson University 348 5 12-3-2 12[/u][/b]
6 University of Denver 340 8 11-4-3 12
7 Ohio State University 304 6 10-4-2 12
8 Penn State University 286 7 13-6-0 12
9 Univer Massachusetts 240 9 12-4-1 12
10 Bowling Green State 166 10 12-6-1 3
11 Univer Minnesota Duluth 160 11 9-6-1 12
12 Northeastern University 126 12 11-5-2 12
13 U Massachusetts Lowell 114 13 10-4-4 5
14 Arizona State University 70 15 9-5-2 1
15 Providence College 66 NR 9-5-3 8
Others receiving votes: University of Notre Dame 36,
[b][u]Harvard University 16[/u][/b], Michigan Tech University 6.
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - December 9, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (11) 18-1-1 146 1
2 Minnesota (4) 15-1-3 137 2
3 Northeastern 14-2-0 114 3
[b][u]4 Cornell 11-1-1 112 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 10-4-4 82 5
[b][u]6 Clarkson 14-2-4 74 7
7 Princeton 10-3-0 59 6[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 12-4-1 50 9
9 Boston College 11-6-2 22 8
10 Minnesota Duluth 8-8-2 16 10
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 6[/u][/b], Mercyhurst 5,
Robert Morris 1, [b][u]Quinnipiac 1[/u][/b]
Quote from: Jim HylaLate this week. I was at a Keb' Mo concert last night.::banana::[code]
Very cool (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKQWhsLbe9E&list=RDEMlACV5LVLFoIJckrkMGNGWg&index=6).
[b]CHN PWR[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6598 1 .0066 14-1-2 .8824 .9000
[b][u]2 Cornell 58 .6462 2 .0060 10-1-0 .9091 .9273[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State 57 .6319 3 .0106 15-2-1 .8611 .8539
4 Denver 56 .5916 4 .0065 11-4-3 .6944 .6966
5 Boston College 55 .5909 5 .0028 11-4-0 .7333 .7632
6 Penn State 54 .5689 6 .0029 13-6-0 .6842 .6739
7 Ohio State 53 .5593 7 .0041 10-4-2 .6875 .6867
[b][u]8 Clarkson 52 .5591 8 .0008 12-3-2 .7647 .7727[/u][/b]
9 Arizona State 51 .5578 9 .0039 9-5-2 .6250 .6316
10 Massachusetts 50 .5561 10 .0028 12-4-1 .7353 .7342
11 Bowling Green 49 .5546 11 .0044 12-6-1 .6579 .6598
12 Mass.-Lowell 48 .5484 12 .0047 10-4-4 .6667 .6413
13 Providence 47 .5468 13 .0078 9-5-3 .6176 .5977
14 Minnesota-Duluth46 .5464 14 .0041 9-6-1 .5938 .5823
15 Northeastern 45 .5457 15 .0020 11-5-2 .6667 .6786
16 Notre Dame 44 .5414 16 .0052 9-7-2 .5556 .5476
17 Michigan State 43 .5389 17 .0048 9-8-1 .5278 .5287
18 Michigan Tech 42 .5349 18 .0022 10-8-1 .5526 .5545
19 Army 41 .5266 19 .0000 12-5-1 .6944 .6989
20 Sacred Heart 40 .5252 20 .0000 11-6-1 .6389 .6392
21 Bemidji State 39 .5234 21 .0000 8-5-3 .5938 .6000
[b][u]22 Harvard 38 .5195 22 .0000 6-4-0 .6000 .5769[/u][/b]
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
December 17, 2019[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University of Wisconsin 190 (19) 1 18-1-1 13
2 University of Minnesota 169 2 15-1-3 13
3 Northeastern University 148 4 14-2-0 13
[b][u]4 Cornell University 139 3 11-1-1 13
5 Clarkson University 100 6 14-2-4 13[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State University 95 5 11-5-4 13
[b][u]7 Princeton University 78 7 11-4-0 13[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 55 8 12-4-1 10
9 Boston College 30 9 11-6-2 12
10 Univer Minnesota Duluth 25 10 8-8-2 11
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University 6[/u][/b],
Mercyhurst University 4, Robert Morris University 2.
[b]USCHO Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 18-1-1 0.9250 1 0.7056* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 39 11-1-1 0.8846 2 0.6859* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 15-1-3 0.8684 4 0.6782* 3
4 Northeastern 37 14-2-0 0.8750 3 0.6514* 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 36 11-4-0 0.7333 7 0.6133* 5[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 35 11-5-4 0.6500 10 0.6122 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 34 14-2-4 0.8000 5 0.6038* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univers 33 12-4-1 0.7353 6 0.5964* 8
[b][u]9 Harvard 31 7-4-0 0.6364 11 0.5745* 9[/u][/b]
9 Boston College 31 11-6-2 0.6316 12 0.5577* 10
11 Minnesota Duluth30 8-8-2 0.5000 22 0.5529 11
12 Robert Morris 29 10-6-2 0.6111 13 0.5439* 12
[b][u]13 Quinnipiac 28 9-7-3 0.5526 17 0.5388* 13[/u][/b]
PWR 2 / 7 / 13 / 19 is a good field.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Dec. 27-29 (https://www.uscho.com/2019/12/29/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-dec-27-29/)]
Do we move up to #2?
No. 1 North Dakota (14-1-2)
12/28/2019 – [b][u]No. 1 North Dakota 3[/u][/b] at U.S. Under-18 Team 1 [b][u](exhibition)[/u][/b]
No. 2 Minnesota State (16-3-1)
12/28/2019 – [b][u]St. Cloud State 7[/u][/b] vs No. 2 Minnesota State 2,
Mariucci Classic (Minneapolis, Minn.)
12/29/2019 – RV Bemidji State 0 vs [b][u]No. 2 Minnesota State 2[/u][/b],
Mariucci Classic third place (Minneapolis, Minn.)
[b][u]No. 3 Cornell (10-1-0)[/u][/b]
Did not play.
[b][u]No. 4 Clarkson (12-3-2)[/u][/b]
Did not play.
No. 5 Boston College (11-4-0)
Did not play.
No. 6 Denver (11-4-3)
Did not play.
No. 6 Ohio State (12-4-2)
12/27/2019 – Colgate 2 at [b][u]No. 6 Ohio State 3[/u][/b]
12/28/2019 – Colgate 0 at [b][u]No. 6 Ohio State 3[/u][/b]
No. 8 Penn State (13-6-0)
Did not play.
No. 9 Massachusetts (13-4-1)
12/29/2019 – [b][u]No. 9 Massachusetts 5[/u][/b] at Rensselaer 3
No. 10 Minnesota Duluth (10-6-1)
12/29/2019 – [b][u]No. 10 Minnesota Duluth 4[/u][/b] at Merrimack 1
No. 11 Bowling Green (12-6-1)
Did not play.
No. 12 Northeastern (11-5-2)
Did not play.
No. 13 Providence (10-5-4)
12/28/2019 – [b][u]No. 13 Providence 2[/u][/b] vs Lake Superior State 1 (OT),
Catamount Cup (Burlington, Vt.)
12/29/2019 [b][u]Union 1 vs No. 13 Providence 1 (OT)[/u][/b],
Catamount Cup (Burlington, Vt.)
No. 14 UMass Lowell (10-4-4)
12/29/2019 – CCHL All Stars 1 at [b][u]No. 14 UMass Lowell 3 (exhibition)[/u][/b]
No. 15 Notre Dame (9-7-2)
Did not play.
No. 16 Arizona State (10-7-3)
12/21/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 Arizona State 5[/u][/b] at Omaha 4
12/22/2019 – No. 16 Arizona State 4 at [b][u]Omaha 8[/u][/b]
12/28/2019 – No. 16 Arizona State 1 vs [b][u]No. 17 Harvard 4[/u][/b],
FivePoint Arena (Irvine, Calif.)
12/29/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 Arizona State 4 vs No. 17 Harvard 4 (OT) Harvard won via the 3 on 3 OT[/u][/b],
FivePoint Arena (Irvine, Calif.)
[b][u]No. 17 Harvard (7-4-1)[/u][/b]
12/28/2019 – No. 16 Arizona State 1 vs [b][u]No. 17 Harvard 4[/u][/b],
FivePoint Arena (Irvine, Calif.)
12/29/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 Arizona State 4 vs No. 17 Harvard 4 (OT) Harvard won via the 3 on 3 OT[/u][/b],
FivePoint Arena (Irvine, Calif.)
No. 18 Michigan State (9-8-1)
Did not play.
No. 19 Western Michigan (7-7-2)
Did not play.
No. 20 Sacred Heart (12-7-1)
12/28/2019 – Bentley 0 at [b][u]No. 20 Sacred Heart 4[/u][/b]
12/29/2019 – [b][u]Bentley 3[/u][/b] at No. 20 Sacred Heart 2
RV = Received Votes
I believe they normally skip New Year's week. Next poll should be on January 6.
Quote from: KenPI believe they normally skip New Year's week. Next poll should be on January 6.
Yes, they skip the last 2 weeks in December.
Quote from: TrotskyPWR 2 / 7 / 13 / 19 is a good field.
Since this post the Vegas field has moved to PWR 2 / 6 / 14 / 19.
Our Friday game is 2 vs 6 and will be the highest PWR opponent we play until the NC$$ unless Clarkson goes on a tear.
You were saying!
USCHO Division I Men's Poll - December 30, 2019
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (44) 14-1-2 992 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (4) 10-1-0 939 3[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State (2) 16-3-1 897 2
[b][u]4 Clarkson 12-3-2 806 4[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 11-4-0 798 5
6 Ohio State 12-4-2 719 6
7 Denver 11-4-3 715 6
8 Penn State 13-6-0 641 8
9 Massachusetts 13-4-1 623 9
10 Minnesota Duluth 10-6-1 548 10
11 Bowling Green 12-6-1 469 11
12 Northeastern 11-5-2 420 12
13 UMass Lowell 10-4-4 400 14
14 Providence 10-5-4 376 13
15 Notre Dame 9-7-2 315 15
[b][u]16 Harvard 7-4-1 256 17[/u][/b]
17 Arizona State 10-7-3 169 16
18 Michigan State 9-8-1 157 18
19 Western Michigan 7-7-2 86 19
20 Army 13-5-1 55 NR
Others receiving votes: Sacred Heart 43, Michigan Tech 27,
Northern Michigan 26, Alaska 7, [u][b]Quinnipiac 6[/b][/u], RIT 3,
Boston University 3, [b][u]Dartmouth 2[/u][/b], Omaha 2
[url=https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/]CHN PWR[/url]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6559 1 .0063 14-1-2 .8824 .9000
[u][b]2 Cornell 58 .6544 2 .0087 10-1-0 .9091 .9273[/b][/u]
3 Minnesota State 57 .6081 3 .0082 16-3-1 .8250 .8182
4 Denver 56 .5866 5 .0061 11-4-3 .6944 .6966
5 Boston College 55 .5893 4 .0037 11-4-0 .7333 .7632
6 Ohio State 54 .5712 6 .0044 12-4-2 .7222 .7169
7 Penn State 53 .5711 7 .0033 13-6-0 .6842 .6739
8 Massachusetts 52 .5608 8 .0029 13-4-1 .7500 .7529
[b][u]9 Clarkson 51 .5603 9 .0003 12-3-2 .7647 .7727[/u][/b]
10 Minnesota-Duluth50 .5497 10 .0038 10-6-1 .6176 .6118
11 Bowling Green 49 .5476 11 .0044 12-6-1 .6579 .6598
12 Mass.-Lowell 48 .5466 12 .0047 10-4-4 .6667 .6413
13 Northeastern 47 .5456 13 .0019 11-5-2 .6667 .6786
14 Providence 46 .5435 14 .0069 10-5-4 .6316 .6134
15 Notre Dame 45 .5430 15 .0057 9-7-2 .5556 .5476
16 Michigan State 44 .5414 16 .0040 9-8-1 .5278 .5287
17 Arizona State 43 .5387 17 .0039 10-7-3 .5750 .5885
[b][u]18 Harvard 42 .5379 18 .0009 7-4-1 .6250 .6048[/u][/b]
19 Army 41 .5315 19 .0000 13-5-1 .7105 .7113
20 Michigan Tech 40 .5278 20 .0020 10-8-1 .5526 .5545
[b][u]21 Quinnipiac 38 .5230 21 .0023 9-7-1 .5588 .5696[/u][/b]
22 Western Michigan38 .5173 22 .0054 7-7-2 .5000 .5000
[b][u]23 Dartmouth 36 .5165 23 .0034 6-4-2 .5833 .5714[/u][/b]
Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 18-1-1 0.9250 1 0.7056* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 39 11-1-1 0.8846 2 0.6859* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 15-1-3 0.8684 4 0.6782* 3
4 Northeastern 37 14-2-0 0.8750 3 0.6514* 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 36 11-4-0 0.7333 7 0.6133* 5[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 35 11-5-4 0.6500 10 0.6122 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 34 14-2-4 0.8000 5 0.6038* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 12-4-1 0.7353 6 0.5964* 8
[b][u]9 Harvard 31 7-4-0 0.6364 11 0.5745* 9[/u][/b]
9 Boston College 31 11-6-2 0.6316 12 0.5577* 10
11 Minnesota Duluth30 8-8-2 0.5000 22 0.5529 11
12 Robert Morris 29 10-6-2 0.6111 13 0.5439* 12
[b][u]13 Quinnipiac 28 9-7-3 0.5526 17 0.5388* 13[/u][/b]
I'm guessing nothing else till next week.
Cool beanz! Thanks.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: TrotskyPWR 2 / 7 / 13 / 19 is a good field.
Since this post the Vegas field has moved to PWR 2 / 6 / 14 / 19.
Our Friday game is 2 vs 6 and will be the highest PWR opponent we play until the NC$$ unless Clarkson goes on a tear.
So will that make it the USCHO GOTW and will Coach Schafer get interviewed?
Fucked if I know but if I was their stringer I'd want a trip to Vegas.
Quote from: TrotskyFucked if I know but if I was their stringer I'd want a trip to Vegas.
You think USCHO pays for stringer's trips? Cute.
Maine just beat Omaha 3-2, pushing Cornell to #1 in PWR
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - January 6, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (46) 16-1-2 995 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (2) 11-1-1 936 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State (2) 18-3-1 902 3
4 Boston College 12-4-0 838 5
5 Denver 13-4-3 792 7
6 Penn State 15-6-0 695 8
[b][u]7 Clarkson 13-4-2 686 4[/u][/b]
8 Ohio State 13-5-2 676 6
9 Minnesota Duluth 11-6-1 580 10
10 Massachusetts 13-6-1 504 9
11 Northeastern 12-5-2 488 12
12 Providence 11-5-5 479 14
13 UMass Lowell 11-4-4 468 13
14 Notre Dame 10-7-3 356 15
15 Arizona State 11-8-3 210 17
16 Bowling Green 12-9-1 179 11
17 Michigan Tech 13-9-1 172 NR
[b][u]18 Harvard 7-5-2 130 16[/u][/b]
19 Northern Michigan 11-7-2 127 NR
20 Michigan State 10-9-1 107 18
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Quinnipiac 93[/u][/b], Army 31, Sacred Heart 26,
Western Michigan 25, Maine 3, Bemidji State 1, Boston University 1
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
January 6, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University North Dakota 504 (30) 1 16-1-2 10
[b][u]2 Cornell University 465 (2) 2 11-1-1 14[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State Univer 439 (2) 3 18-3-1 14
4 Boston College 399 4 12-4-0 11
5 University of Denver 390 5 13-4-3 14
6 Penn State University 317 8 15-6-0 14
7 Ohio State University 290 7 13-5-2 14
[b][u]8 Clarkson University 223 6 13-4-2 14[/u][/b]
9 Univer Minnesota Duluth 219 10 11-6-1 14
10 University Massachusetts198 9 13-6-1 14
11 U Massachusetts Lowell 171 13 11-4-4 8
12 Providence College 152 14 11-5-5 11
13 Northeastern University 146 12 12-5-2 14
14 University of Notre Dame 59 NR 10-7-3 11
15 Bowling Green State U 41 11 12-9-1 5
Others receiving votes: Arizona State University 28, Michigan Tech University 19,
[b][u]Harvard University 6[/u][/b], Michigan State University 4,
Northern Michigan University 4, [b][u]Quinnipiac University 4[/u][/b], Sacred Heart University 2.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Note: This chart is updated as each game result comes in. (No it's not.:-D)
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6540 1 .0063 16-1-2 .8947 .9091
[b][u]2 Cornell 58 .6446 2 .0079 11-1-1 .8846 .9000[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State 57 .6140 3 .0086 18-3-1 .8409 .8318
4 Denver 56 .5953 4 .0082 13-4-3 .7250 .7216
5 Boston College 55 .5931 5 .0039 12-4-0 .7500 .7750
6 Penn State 54 .5745 6 .0028 15-6-0 .7143 .7000
7 Ohio State 53 .5637 7 .0031 13-5-2 .7000 .6935
8 Massachusetts 52 .5582 8 .0043 13-6-1 .6750 .6882
9 Northeastern 51 .5575 9 .0021 13-5-2 .7000 .7128
10 Mass.-Lowell 50 .5569 10 .0057 11-4-4 .6842 .6633
11 Minnesota-Duluth49 .5559 11 .0037 11-6-1 .6389 .6374
12 Providence 48 .5509 12 .0074 11-5-5 .6429 .6262
[b][u]13 Clarkson 47 .5467 13 .0014 13-4-2 .7368 .7347[/u][/b]
14 Notre Dame 46 .5456 14 .0048 10-7-3 .5750 .5684
15 Michigan Tech 45 .5391 15 .0016 13-9-1 .5870 .5950
16 Arizona State 44 .5365 16 .0043 11-8-3 .5682 .5708
17 Michigan State 43 .5362 17 .0041 10-9-1 .5250 .5258
[b][u]18 Quinnipiac 41 .5354 18 .0022 11-7-1 .6053 .6092[/u][/b]
19 Northrn Michigan40 .5296 19 .0020 11-7-2 .6000 .5865
[b][u]20 Harvard 40 .5253 20 .0018 7-5-2 .5714 .5704[/u][/b]
21 Army 39 .5204 21 .0000 13-7-1 .6429 .6449
22 Maine 38 .5138 22 .0015 10-8-4 .5455 .5714
[b][u]23 Dartmouth 36 .5137 23 .0033 7-5-2 .5714 .5758[/u][/b]
24 Boston Univer 36 .5125 24 .0048 6-6-5 .5000 .4750
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - January 6, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (13) 20-1-1 148 1
2 Minnesota (2) 17-1-3 136 2
3 Northeastern 15-3-1 113 3
[b][u]4 Cornell 13-1-1 110 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 11-5-4 80 5
[b][u]5 Clarkson 14-2-4 80 6
7 Princeton 13-4-0 61 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 13-4-2 40 8
[b][u]9 Harvard 10-4-0 28 NR[/u][/b]
10 Minnesota Duluth 9-8-3 12 10
Others receiving votes: Boston College 8, Robert Morris 5, Providence 4
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 20-1-1 0.9318 1 0.7103* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 39 13-1-1 0.9000 2 0.6909* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 17-1-3 0.8810 3 0.6806* 3
4 Northeastern 37 15-3-1 0.8158 4 0.6239* 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 36 13-4-0 0.7647 6 0.6178* 5[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 35 11-5-4 0.6500 9 0.6150 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 34 14-2-4 0.8000 5 0.6068* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 13-4-2 0.7368 7 0.5930* 8
[b][u]9 Harvard 32 10-4-0 0.7143 8 0.5898* 9[/u][/b]
10 Minnesota Duluth31 9-8-3 0.5250 20 0.5552 10
11 Robert Morris 30 11-7-2 0.6000 11 0.5492* 11
12 Boston College 29 11-7-2 0.6000 11 0.5431 12
[b][u]13 Quinnipiac 28 11-7-3 0.5952 14 0.5373* 13[/u][/b]
14 Bemidji State 27 12-9-1 0.5682 16 0.5366* 14
[b][u]15 Colgate 26 9-9-4 0.5000 21 0.5341* 15[/u][/b]
16 Mercyhurst 25 11-7-2 0.6000 11 0.5318 16
I figured I should document this:
CHN PWR (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/)
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
[b][u]1 Cornell 59 .6437 1 .0091 12-1-1 .8929 .9085[/u][/b]
2 North Dakota 58 .6203 2 .0057 16-2-2 .8500 .8511
3 Minnesota State 57 .6124 3 .0074 19-3-1 .8478 .8407
4 Denver 55 .5952 4 .0079 14-4-3 .7381 .7327
5 Boston College 54 .5764 5 .0024 12-5-0 .7059 .7209
6 Penn State 54 .5723 6 .0026 15-6-0 .7143 .7000
7 Massachusetts 53 .5705 7 .0064 14-6-1 .6905 .7071
[b][u]8 Ohio State 52 .5705 8 .0037 14-5-2 .7143 .7121[/u][/b]
9 Minnesota-Duluth52 .5614 9 .0037 12-6-1 .6579 .6526
10 Mass.-Lowell 50 .5605 10 .0053 12-4-4 .7000 .6827
11 Northeastern 49 .5602 11 .0022 13-5-2 .7000 .7128
[b][u]12 Providence 48 .5547 12 .0068 12-5-5 .6591 .6460[/u][/b]
[b][u]13 Clarkson 47 .5491 13 .0004 14-4-2 .7500 .7451[/u][/b]
[b][u]14 Michigan State 45 .5403 14 .0038 11-9-1 .5476 .5446[/u][/b]
[b][u]15 Quinnipiac 44 .5376 15 .0022 12-7-1 .6250 .6344[/u][/b]
16 Arizona State 44 .5370 16 .0048 11-8-3 .5682 .5708
17 Notre Dame 43 .5344 17 .0048 10-8-3 .5476 .5347
18 Michigan Tech 42 .5316 19 .0024 13-10-1 .5625 .5669
[b][u]19 Nrthern Michigan41 .5323 18 .0023 12-7-2 .6190 .6019[/u][/b]
[b][u]20 Harvard 40 .5263 20 .0022 7-5-2 .5714 .5704[/u][/b]
21 Bemidji State 38 .5204 21 .0000 12-7-3 .6136 .6250
22 Bowling Green 38 .5192 22 .0033 13-9-1 .5870 .5785
[b][u]23 Boston Univer 37 .5181 23 .0047 7-6-5 .5278 .5000[/u][/b]
24 Maine 36 .5177 25 .0017 10-8-4 .5455 .5714
25 Nebraska-Omaha 35 .5178 24 .0051 9-9-3 .5000 .5047
[b][u]26 Army 34 .5161 26 .0000 13-7-2 .6364 .6339[/u][/b]
27 New Hampshire 33 .5145 27 .0034 10-8-1 .5526 .5647
[b][u]28 Dartmouth 31 .5102 28 .0032 7-5-3 .5667 .5775[/u][/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 59 12-1-1 0.8929 1 0.6437* 1[/u][/b]
2 North Dakota 58 16-2-2 0.8500 2 0.6203* 2
3 Minnesota State 57 19-3-1 0.8478 3 0.6124* 3
4 Denver 55 14-4-3 0.7381 5 0.5952* 4
5 Boston College 54 12-5-0 0.7059 8 0.5764 5
5 Penn State 54 15-6-0 0.7143 6 0.5723 6
7 Massachusetts 52 14-6-1 0.6905 11 0.5705 7
[b][u]7 Ohio State 52 14-5-2 0.7143 6 0.5705* 8[/u][/b]
9 Minnesota Duluth51 12-6-1 0.6579 13 0.5614 9
10 UMass Lowell 50 12-4-4 0.7000 9 0.5605 10
11 Northeastern 49 13-5-2 0.7000 9 0.5602 11
[b][u]12 Providence 48 12-5-5 0.6591 12 0.5547* 12
13 Clarkson 47 14-4-2 0.7500 4 0.5491* 13
14 Michigan State 45 11-9-1 0.5476 25 0.5403 14
15 Quinnipiac 44 12-7-1 0.6250 16 0.5376 15[/u][/b]
15 Arizona State 44 11-8-3 0.5682 21 0.5370* 16
17 Notre Dame 43 10-8-3 0.5476 25 0.5344 17
18 Michigan Tech 42 13-10-1 0.5625 23 0.5316 19
[b][u]19 Nrthern Michigan41 12-7-2 0.6190 17 0.5323 18
20 Harvard 40 7-5-2 0.5714 20 0.5263 20[/u][/b]
21 Bemidji State 38 12-7-3 0.6136 18 0.5204 21
21 Bowling Green 38 13-9-1 0.5870 19 0.5192 22
[b][u]23 Boston Univer 37 7-6-5 0.5278 29 0.5181 23[/u][/b]
24 Maine 36 10-8-4 0.5455 28 0.5177 25
25 Omaha 35 9-9-3 0.5000 30 0.5178 24
[b][u]26 Army 34 13-7-2 0.6364 15 0.5161 26[/u][/b]
27 New Hampshire 32 10-8-1 0.5526 24 0.5145 27
[b][u]28 Dartmouth 31 7-5-3 0.5667 22 0.5102 28[/u][/b]
I appreciate that the top six teams have the same ranking as number of losses.
Well, this will be an interesting test case. Assuming that today's ASU/Brown game doesn't somehow cost us more than .0033 in RPI, we'll be #1 in PWR when this week's ballots are submitted. We sure didn't pick up any style points, though (dropped to 3rd in KRACH) so I think we'll learn something about how many voters (if any) just vote straight PWR.
i predict 2/3rd place in polls. fine with that.
Quote from: The Rancori predict 2/3rd place in polls. fine with that.
I really only care that we're #1 on April 12.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: The Rancori predict 2/3rd place in polls. fine with that.
I really only care that we're #1 on April 12.
+1
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: The Rancori predict 2/3rd place in polls. fine with that.
I really only care that we're #1 on April 12.
if that's all you care about why are you reading this thread
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: The Rancori predict 2/3rd place in polls. fine with that.
I really only care that we're #1 on April 12.
if that's all you care about why are you reading this thread
I read threads because the red "new" tag commands me to.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: The Rancori predict 2/3rd place in polls. fine with that.
I really only care that we're #1 on April 12.
if that's all you care about why are you reading this thread
I read threads because the red "new" tag commands me to.
Better be careful, it's the Thread Police. ::wank::
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Jan. 9-12 (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/12/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-jan-9-12/)
No. 1 North Dakota (17-2-2)
01/10/2020 – Omaha 6 at No. 1 North Dakota 3
01/11/2020 – Omaha 1 at No. 1 North Dakota 4
No. 2 Cornell (12-1-2)
01/10/2020 – No. 2 Cornell 3 at Rensselaer 0
01/11/2020 – No. 2 Cornell 3 at Union 3 (OT)
No. 3 Minnesota State (20-3-1)
01/10/2020 – No. 3 Minnesota State 5 at Ferris State 0
01/11/2020 – No. 3 Minnesota State 5 at Ferris State 1
No. 4 Boston College (13-5-0)
01/10/2020 – No. 10 Massachusetts 3 at No. 4 Boston College 1
01/11/2020 – No. 4 Boston College 6 at No. 10 Massachusetts 3
No. 5 Denver (15-4-3)
01/10/2020 – St. Cloud State 3 at No. 5 Denver 6
01/11/2020 – St. Cloud State 3 at No. 5 Denver 5
No. 6 Penn State (16-6-0)
01/11/2020 – No. 6 Penn State 6 at Robert Morris 2
No. 7 Clarkson (15-4-2)
01/10/2020 – Princeton 1 at No. 7 Clarkson 2
01/11/2020 – RV Quinnipiac 2 at No. 7 Clarkson 5
No. 8 Ohio State (14-6-2)
01/10/2020 – No. 8 Ohio State 4 at Wisconsin 2
01/11/2020 – No. 8 Ohio State 2 at Wisconsin 5
No. 9 Minnesota Duluth (12-6-2)
01/10/2020 – RV Western Michigan 3 at No. 9 Minnesota Duluth 6
01/11/2020 – RV Western Michigan 3 at No. 9 Minnesota Duluth 3 (OT)
No. 10 Massachusetts (14-7-1)
01/10/2020 – No. 10 Massachusetts 3 at No. 4 Boston College 1
01/11/2020 – No. 4 Boston College 6 at No. 10 Massachusetts 3
No. 11 Northeastern (13-6-2)
01/06/2020 – Bentley 2 at No. 11 Northeastern 4
01/11/2020 – No. 11 Northeastern 4 at New Hampshire 5 (OT)
No. 12 Providence (13-5-5)
01/09/2020 – No. 12 Providence 5 at AIC 0
01/11/2020 – Connecticut 1 at No. 12 Providence 2
No. 13 UMass Lowell (12-5-4)
01/10/2020 No. 13 UMass Lowell 6 at RIT 4
01/11/2020 No. 13 UMass Lowell 2 at RIT 3
No. 14 Notre Dame (10-9-3)
01/10/2020 – Michigan 3 at No. 14 Notre Dame 0
01/11/2020 – Michigan 3 at No. 14 Notre Dame 1
No. 15 Arizona State (13-8-3)
01/11/2020 – No. 15 Arizona State 3 at Brown 1
01/12/2020 – No. 15 Arizona State 4 at Brown 3 (OT)
No. 16 Bowling Green (13-9-2)
01/10/2020 – No. 16 Bowling Green 3 at No. 17 Michigan Tech 2
01/11/2020 – No. 16 Bowling Green 2 at No. 17 Michigan Tech 2 (OT)
No. 17 Michigan Tech (13-10-2)
01/10/2020 – No. 16 Bowling Green 3 at No. 17 Michigan Tech 2
01/11/2020 – No. 16 Bowling Green 2 at No. 17 Michigan Tech 2 (OT)
No. 18 Harvard (8-5-2)
01/11/2020 – Yale 0 vs No. 18 Harvard 7 (Rivalry On Ice, Madison Square Garden)
No. 19 Northern Michigan (13-7-2)
01/10/2020 – Alaska Anchorage 1 at No. 19 Northern Michigan 4
01/11/2020 – Alaska Anchorage 3 at No. 19 Northern Michigan 6
No. 20 Michigan State (11-10-1)
01/10/2020 – Minnesota 1 at No. 20 Michigan State 4
01/11/2020 – Minnesota 2 at No. 20 Michigan State 0
RV = Received Votes
Exactly tied for #1 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/) in USCHO.
Quote from: TrotskyExactly tied for #1 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/) in USCHO.
With four more first-place votes.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyExactly tied for #1 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/) in USCHO.
With four more first-place votes.
Which means somebody shivved us to third or lower.
Assuming 20 points for first place, we are 44 points short of perfect distributed among 29 ballots.
x + 2y = 44
x + y = 29
(29 - y) + 2y = 44
y = 15
x = 14
21 first place votes
14 second place votes
15 third place votes
Is one way to do it. Of course, somebody who hates us, the Ivies, the ECAC and/or the East might have sent us even lower.
My favorite:
21 first place
28 second place
1 seventeenth
More likely:
[b]1 2 3 4[/b]
Cornell 21-14-15- 0
N. Dakota 17-22-11- 0
Mankato 12-14-14-10
Find me another college hockey forum with algebra on it. I dare ya.
Quote from: Give My RegardsFind me another college hockey forum with algebra on it. I dare ya.
I'm guessing the RPI thread at USCHO has included algebra at some point
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Give My RegardsFind me another college hockey forum with algebra on it. I dare ya.
I'm guessing the RPI thread at USCHO has included algebra at some point
MIT has calc. But they're only club.
Fun fact: 1962-64 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_Standings/ecacStandings1960s.html) ECAC standings.
Sorry I don't have anything up, but whenever I try and post I get "Phorum Database Error".
Hopefully one who has admin privileges will see this or their email and help.
Looks like the shivving on the USA Today poll was bit more sever.
Cornell 485 (20 first place votes)
NoDak 480 (8)
Human polls serve no meaningful purpose, but FWIW I think it's crazy to rank Cornell above NoDak.
Quote from: BearLoverHuman polls serve no meaningful purpose, but FWIW I think it's crazy to rank Cornell above NoDak.
Why am I not surprised?
Quote from: BearLoverHuman polls serve no meaningful purpose, but FWIW I think it's crazy to rank Cornell above NoDak.
If it serves no meaningful purpose to you, you should at least realize that many of us enjoy seeing the team ranked first. I'm not sure why you want to bring rain on the parade. You are welcome to pick up a trumpet or a sousaphone and join our pep band.
Quote from: martyQuote from: BearLoverHuman polls serve no meaningful purpose, but FWIW I think it's crazy to rank Cornell above NoDak.
If it serves no meaningful purpose to you, you should at least realize that many of us enjoy seeing the team ranked first. I'm not sure why you want to bring rain on the parade. You are welcome to pick up a trumpet or a sousaphone and join our pep band.
We all seem to be playing in different keys, but that's why listening is fun.
(I'm away from home and don't seem to be able to edit from my phone - error message when trying to save an edit in desktop mode on Android. )
The top ten against the top ten:
2-0-0 Cornell
1-1-2 North Dakota
3-0-1 Minnesota St.
4-2-2 Denver
1-3-0 Boston College
1-1-0 Penn State
0-1-0 Clarkson
1-2-1 Minn Duluth
1-2-0 Ohio State
1-3-0 Massachusetts
Based on current USCHO rankings.
Looking forward to additional data.
So for some reason I can't post the Men's Krach.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - January 13, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (21) 12-1-2 956 2[/u][/b]
1 North Dakota (17) 17-2-2 956 1
3 Minnesota State (12) 20-3-1 928 3
4 Denver 15-4-3 823 5
5 Boston College 13-5-0 788 4
6 Penn State 16-6-0 743 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 15-4-2 708 7[/u][/b]
8 Minnesota Duluth 12-6-2 623 9
9 Ohio State 14-6-2 612 8
10 Massachusetts 14-7-1 564 10
11 Providence 13-5-5 517 12
12 Northeastern 13-6-2 448 11
13 UMass Lowell 12-5-4 382 13
14 Arizona State 13-8-3 338 15
15 Bowling Green 13-9-2 249 16
[b][u]16 Harvard 8-5-2 198 18[/u][/b]
17 Northern Michigan 13-7-2 194 19
18 Notre Dame 10-9-3 145 14
19 Michigan Tech 13-10-2 121 17
20 Michigan State 11-10-1 58 20
[b][u]20 Quinnipiac 12-8-1 58 NR[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Sacred Heart 32, Army 32,
Bemidji State 8, Michigan 5, [b][u]Dartmouth 4[/u][/b],
Western Michigan 4, Maine 3, New Hampshire 2, Minnesota 1
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
January 13, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell University 485 (20) 2 12-1-2 15[/u][/b]
2 University North Dakota 480 (8) 1 17-2-2 11
3 Minnesota State Univer 453 (6) 3 20-3-1 15
4 University of Denver 403 5 15-4-3 15
5 Boston College 375 4 13-5-0 12
6 Penn State University 344 6 16-6-0 15
[b][u]7 Clarkson University 281 8 15-4-2 15[/u][/b]
8 Univer Minnesota Duluth 255 9 12-6-2 15
9 Ohio State University 244 7 14-6-2 15
10 University Massachusetts202 10 14-7-1 15
11 Providence College 181 12 13-5-5 12
12 Northeastern University 134 13 13-6-2 15
13 U Massachusetts Lowell 102 11 12-5-4 9
14 Arizona State University75 NR 13-8-3 3
15 Bowling Green State U 35 15 13-9-2 6
Others receiving votes: Northern Michigan University 18, [b][u]Harvard University 7[/u][/b],
University of Notre Dame 3, Michigan State University 3.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Note: This chart is updated as each game result comes in. (No it isn't)
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
[b][u]1 Cornell 59 .6251 1 .0078 12-1-2 .8667 .8882[/u][/b]
2 North Dakota 58 .6220 2 .0055 17-2-2 .8571 .8571
3 Minnesota State 57 .6106 3 .0079 20-3-1 .8542 .8487
4 Denver 55 .5975 4 .0078 15-4-3 .7500 .7429
5 Boston College 54 .5848 5 .0045 13-5-0 .7222 .7391
6 Penn State 54 .5752 6 .0017 16-6-0 .7273 .7170
[b][u]7 Ohio State 53 .5624 7 .0028 14-6-2 .6818 .6845[/u][/b]
8 Massachusetts 52 .5622 8 .0054 14-7-1 .6591 .6667
9 Minnesota-Duluth52 .5592 9 .0034 12-6-2 .6500 .6400
[b][u]10 Clarkson 50 .5564 10 .0009 15-4-2 .7619 .7547
11 Providence 49 .5547 11 .0064 13-5-5 .6739 .6581[/u][/b]
12 Northeastern 48 .5514 12 .0022 13-6-2 .6667 .6837
13 Mass.-Lowell 47 .5508 13 .0056 12-5-4 .6667 .6574
14 Arizona State 46 .5411 14 .0038 13-8-3 .6042 .6144
[b][u]15 North Michigan 44 .5319 15 .0019 13-7-2 .6364 .6161
16 Michigan State 43 .5302 16 .0037 11-10-1 .5227 .5140
17 Quinnipiac 43 .5299 17 .0024 12-8-1 .5952 .6082
18 Harvard 42 .5298 18 .0024 8-5-2 .6000 .5987[/u][/b]
19 Michigan Tech 42 .5290 19 .0026 13-10-2 .5600 .5606
20 Notre Dame 40 .5270 20 .0042 10-9-3 .5227 .5047
21 Bemidji State 38 .5210 21 .0000 12-7-3 .6136 .6250
22 New Hampshire 38 .5208 22 .0044 11-8-1 .5750 .5843
[b][u]23 Army 38 .5205 23 .0000 14-7-2 .6522 .6466[/u][/b]
24 Bowling Green 36 .5197 24 .0029 13-9-2 .5833 .5794
[b][u]25 Dartmouth 34 .5178 25 .0030 8-5-3 .5938 .6000[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - January 13, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (10) 19-1-3 144 2
2 Wisconsin (5) 21-2-1 139 1
3 Northeastern 17-3-1 119 3
[b][u]4 Cornell 14-1-2 108 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 13-5-4 86 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 14-4-1 70 7
7 Clarkson 15-3-4 69 5[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 14-5-2 41 8
[b][u]9 Harvard 10-5-1 29 9[/u][/b]
10 Minnesota Duluth 9-8-3 13 10
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Quinnipiac 3[/u][/b], Bemidji State 2, Boston College 2
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 21-2-1 0.8958 1 0.6781* 1
2 Minnesota 39 19-1-3 0.8913 2 0.6769* 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 38 14-1-2 0.8824 3 0.6679* 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 37 17-3-1 0.8333 4 0.6335* 4
[b][u]5 Ohio State 36 13-5-4 0.6818 8 0.6132 5[/u][/b]
[b][u]6 Princeton 35 14-4-1 0.7632 6 0.6096* 6
7 Clarkson 34 15-3-4 0.7727 5 0.5872* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 14-5-2 0.7143 7 0.5860 8
[b][u]9 Harvard 32 10-5-1 0.6562 9 0.5794* 9[/u][/b]
10 Minnesota Duluth31 9-8-3 0.5250 22 0.5524 10
[b][u]11 Quinnipiac 30 13-7-3 0.6304 10 0.5490* 11[/u][/b]
12 Bemidji State 29 13-10-1 0.5625 16 0.5454* 12
[b][u]13 Colgate 28 11-9-4 0.5417 20 0.5368* 13[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Wisconsin 5101. .9387 1 21-2-1 0.8958 8.600 3 593.1
2 Minnesota 4978. .9374 2 19-1-3 0.8913 8.200 2 607.1
[b][u]3 Cornell 3096. .9083 3 14-1-2 0.8824 7.500 5 412.8
4 Ohio State 1673. .8597 8 13-5-4 0.6818 2.143 1 780.8
5 Princeton 1166. .8251 6 14-4-1 0.7632 3.222 6 362.0[/u][/b]
6 Northeastern 898.2 .7972 4 17-3-1 0.8333 5.000 16 179.6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 654.7 .7602 5 15-3-4 0.7727 3.400 13 192.6[/u][/b]
8 Minnesota Duluth 580.8 .7454 22 9-8-3 0.5250 1.105 4 525.5
[b][u]9 Harvard 537.5 .7356 9 10-5-1 0.6562 1.909 9 281.5[/u][/b]
10 Bemidji State 455.6 .7140 16 13-10-1 0.5625 1.286 7 354.3
11 Boston University418.1 .7026 7 14-5-2 0.7143 2.500 18 167.2
[b][u]12 Colgate 305.1 .6592 20 11-9-4 0.5417 1.182 10 258.1
13 Quinnipiac 291.9 .6530 10 13-7-3 0.6304 1.706 17 171.1
14 Robert Morris 281.5 .6478 12 12-8-2 0.5909 1.444 12 194.9[/u][/b]
I haven't seen much on here, but look at the women's record. Our teams are now a combined 26-2-4 with almost identical 1-loss records. Pretty amazing year so far for Cornell hockey. Let's hope we get to watch a lot of very late season hockey.
About time people start mentioning, and maybe even discussing, women's hockey on here.
Quote from: imafrshmnAbout time people start mentioning, and maybe even discussing, women's hockey on here.
Let me Google that for you... (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,223063)
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: imafrshmnAbout time people start mentioning, and maybe even discussing, women's hockey on here.
Let me Google that for you... (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,223063)
You're a funny guy. I've posted in that thread and you have not. Step up your game.
Quote from: martyQuote from: BearLoverHuman polls serve no meaningful purpose, but FWIW I think it's crazy to rank Cornell above NoDak.
If it serves no meaningful purpose to you, you should at least realize that many of us enjoy seeing the team ranked first. I'm not sure why you want to bring rain on the parade. You are welcome to pick up a trumpet or a sousaphone and join our pep band.
Just because I don't believe Cornell is the best team in the country doesn't mean I don't enjoy seeing them ranked as such.
I simply think it's nuts to think Cornell would beat NoDak more than 50 games out of 100.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverHuman polls serve no meaningful purpose, but FWIW I think it's crazy to rank Cornell above NoDak.
Why am I not surprised?
Dunno. Everything I've said about the team this year has been highly positive, so maybe you should be surprised.
I know we have a women's thread. I just noticed there hasn't been anything on there in quite some time and the team is doing amazing. I also thought the similarity of the 12-1-2 and 14-1-2 records is cool.
Against the USCHO top 20:
Cornell: 6-0-1
N. Dak: 2-1-2
Quote from: iceAgainst the USCHO top 20:
Cornell: 6-0-1
N. Dak: 2-1-2
NoDak has played the fourth-hardest schedule, Cornell the 22nd-hardest. Despite this, their goal differentials are approximately equal: NoDak has scored 70% of the goals in its games, Cornell has scored 71%. NoDak has the highest "CF Close" (shot attempts when game is within a goal) in the NCAAs, at 62%, despite the tougher competition. Cornell's is 11th, at 56%. NoDak also has the highest Overall CF, and is #1 in Fenwick (which counts unblocked shots only) in both Close and Overall. Moreover, NoDak has some of the most talented players in the country. Schafer has done a remarkable job with the players he has, but NoDak is the better team.
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: imafrshmnAbout time people start mentioning, and maybe even discussing, women's hockey on here.
Let me Google that for you... (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,223063)
You're a funny guy. I've posted in that thread and you have not. Step up your game.
OK, let me not be funny.
If you want to mention or discuss women's hockey, go ahead! No one is stopping you. Start a thread; post a comment here or elsewhere. Step up
your game.
Or you could just randomly moan about others discussing what they want to discuss...
Quote from: cth95I know we have a women's thread. I just noticed there hasn't been anything on there in quite some time and the team is doing amazing. I also thought the similarity of the 12-1-2 and 14-1-2 records is cool.
Oh, no problem whatsoever! This thread seems a perfectly appropriate place to discuss the women's polls as well.
(I don't normally read in threaded view.)
Here's a comment on the women: they got badly dinged in the USCHO poll for the tie this past weekend. Western bias!
Me looking over the latest polls and PWR: "Pretty much in lock step but interesting how Clarkson has been able to poll a few spots higher than its PWR for a while now I wonder- holy smokes, Bowling Green!"
That's a big difference not usually seen if my recollection can be trusted.
I think it is fin to be somehow under the radar and the national #1. I do find it amusing that USCHO continues to ignore the existence of that fact.
TMQB: Cornell... played a game this week? Now, on to any other team!
12-1-2 1.46 0.939 Matthew Galajda Cornell
17-2-2 1.73 0.916 Adam Scheel North Dakota
Top 16 vs. Top 16 (KRACH)
6-1-1 Minnesota State
1-1-2 North Dakota
5-0-2 Cornell
4-3-3 Denver
2-4-0 Boston College
3-2-0 Ohio State
2-2-0 Penn State
0-2-0 Clarkson
1-3-0 Massachusetts
1-2-1 Minn-Duluth
2-1-1 Providence
2-3-1 Arizona State
3-7-0 Michigan State
2-3-1 Northern Michigan
4-3-0 Mass-Lowell
2-3-0 Northeastern
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: iceAgainst the USCHO top 20:
Cornell: 6-0-1
N. Dak: 2-1-2
NoDak has played the fourth-hardest schedule, Cornell the 22nd-hardest. Despite this, their goal differentials are approximately equal: NoDak has scored 70% of the goals in its games, Cornell has scored 71%. NoDak has the highest "CF Close" (shot attempts when game is within a goal) in the NCAAs, at 62%, despite the tougher competition. Cornell's is 11th, at 56%. NoDak also has the highest Overall CF, and is #1 in Fenwick (which counts unblocked shots only) in both Close and Overall. Moreover, NoDak has some of the most talented players in the country. Schafer has done a remarkable job with the players he has, but NoDak is the better team.
https://www.inforum.com/sports/hockey/4871316-UND-ties-Miami-in-wild-back-and-forth-game-in-Oxford
"sophomore starter Adam Scheel was lifted for Peter Thome after 20 minutes. Scheel, who was pulled one time all of last season, has been yanked twice in the last eight days."
He didn't play the second game against Miami. ND won 5-3.
Only Denver, Mankato, and Mich State have played more top 16 teams than Cornell. Only Clarkson has played fewer than NoDak.
Quote from: iceTop 16 vs. Top 16 (KRACH)
6-1-1 Minnesota State
1-1-2 North Dakota
5-0-2 Cornell
4-3-3 Denver
2-4-0 Boston College
3-2-0 Ohio State
2-2-0 Penn State
0-2-0 Clarkson
1-3-0 Massachusetts
1-2-1 Minn-Duluth
2-1-1 Providence
2-3-1 Arizona State
3-7-0 Michigan State
2-3-1 Northern Michigan
4-3-0 Mass-Lowell
2-3-0 Northeastern
This more than anything tells you that this team has a real chance to do it.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioOnly Denver, Mankato, and Mich State have played more top 16 teams than Cornell. Only Clarkson has played fewer than NoDak.
Percentage of games played against top 16: Denver, 43%; Cornell, 41%; NoDak 17%.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: iceTop 16 vs. Top 16 (KRACH)
6-1-1 Minnesota State
1-1-2 North Dakota
5-0-2 Cornell
4-3-3 Denver
2-4-0 Boston College
3-2-0 Ohio State
2-2-0 Penn State
0-2-0 Clarkson
1-3-0 Massachusetts
1-2-1 Minn-Duluth
2-1-1 Providence
2-3-1 Arizona State
3-7-0 Michigan State
2-3-1 Northern Michigan
4-3-0 Mass-Lowell
2-3-0 Northeastern
This more than anything tells you that this team has a real fking chance to do it.
Yeah. I don't want to get too excited, but that's what has always been missing.
as things stand right now we will play 14 games against teams in the top 20 pairwise. pretty solid
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: iceTop 16 vs. Top 16 (KRACH)
6-1-1 Minnesota State
1-1-2 North Dakota
5-0-2 Cornell
4-3-3 Denver
2-4-0 Boston College
3-2-0 Ohio State
2-2-0 Penn State
0-2-0 Clarkson
1-3-0 Massachusetts
1-2-1 Minn-Duluth
2-1-1 Providence
2-3-1 Arizona State
3-7-0 Michigan State
2-3-1 Northern Michigan
4-3-0 Mass-Lowell
2-3-0 Northeastern
This more than anything tells you that this team has a real fking chance to do it.
Yeah. I don't want to get too excited, but that's what has always been missing.
There are pretty significant KRACH "discontinuities" (there's probably a better word) between #2/#3, #5/#6, and (kind of) #32/#33, defined in a somewhat fuzzy manner by the likelihood that a higher rated team will beat the team ranked immediately below it. Another way of looking at it is that, according to KRACH, Denver has a less than 1 in 3 chance of beating Mankato, Ohio State has a less than 1 in 4 chance, and Maine has a less than 1 in 10 chance.
It seems that Mankato and North Dakota are in a little bit of a "league of their own" situation, perhaps slightly due to having significant results against each other, I would think. But they're definitely running a bit above the rest, although still in striking distance for us. Then there's another little group of Denver, BC, and us, and then a somewhat unmediated mass down to BU.
For whatever reason, I usually view a greater than 1 in 3 likelihood according to KRACH of one team beating another as pretty significant. So another way one might look at all of this is to consider which teams are "in the hunt" for the top 4. Right now, that's only BC, Ohio State, and Penn State. Clarkson is perilously close to being in that group.
To my mind, relatively few teams seem to be in striking distance of a national championship this season. I'm glad we're in that group so far.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007Quote from: iceTop 16 vs. Top 16 (KRACH)
6-1-1 Minnesota State
1-1-2 North Dakota
5-0-2 Cornell
4-3-3 Denver
2-4-0 Boston College
3-2-0 Ohio State
2-2-0 Penn State
0-2-0 Clarkson
1-3-0 Massachusetts
1-2-1 Minn-Duluth
2-1-1 Providence
2-3-1 Arizona State
3-7-0 Michigan State
2-3-1 Northern Michigan
4-3-0 Mass-Lowell
2-3-0 Northeastern
This more than anything tells you that this team has a real fking chance to do it.
Yeah. I don't want to get too excited, but that's what has always been missing.
There are pretty significant KRACH "discontinuities" (there's probably a better word) between #2/#3, #5/#6, and (kind of) #32/#33, defined in a somewhat fuzzy manner by the likelihood that a higher rated team will beat the team ranked immediately below it. Another way of looking at it is that, according to KRACH, Denver has a less than 1 in 3 chance of beating Mankato, Ohio State has a less than 1 in 4 chance, and Maine has a less than 1 in 10 chance.
It seems that Mankato and North Dakota are in a little bit of a "league of their own" situation, perhaps slightly due to having significant results against each other, I would think. But they're definitely running a bit above the rest, although still in striking distance for us. Then there's another little group of Denver, BC, and us, and then a somewhat unmediated mass down to BU.
For whatever reason, I usually view a greater than 1 in 3 likelihood according to KRACH of one team beating another as pretty significant. So another way one might look at all of this is to consider which teams are "in the hunt" for the top 4. Right now, that's only BC, Ohio State, and Penn State. Clarkson is perilously close to being in that group.
To my mind, relatively few teams seem to be in striking distance of a national championship this season. I'm glad we're in that group so far.
Without whipping out actual win percentages, it seems like this year, all of college hockey is very top-heavy. The top three teams have a combined six losses between them. BC has five losses. Denver has four. Clarkson has five. I feel like at this point, BC's 15-5-0, Denver's 15-4-5, and Clarkson's 16-5-2 would all be contending for the best records in the country (maybe not Denver, that's a lot of ties). Instead, they're all well behind the top three.
The last two years, only two teams have finished with single-digit losses. This year, several teams are on track to either get there or come close. Granted, that's an odd cutoff, because a slew of teams have finished with exactly ten losses, but the point still stands.
playoffstatus.com (http://playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournperformprob.html) gives the following odds right now:
.99 Bid (.28 #1 overall; .85 #1 regional seed)
.71 QF
.45 F4
.26 Finalist
.15 National Champion
I am in no way quoting this just to get under one guy's skin. That would be immature.
Quote from: DafatoneThe last two years, only two teams have finished with single-digit losses. This year, several teams are on track to either get there or come close.
The average for the last 20 years is 3.4 teams with fewer than 10 losses.
By year:
2000 7 Niagara, SLU, Colgate, UNH, Quinnipiac, Wisconsin, North Dakota
2001 4 Michigan State, BC, North Dakota, St. Cloud
2002 4 Michigan State, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], UNH, Denver, Minnesota
2003 4 [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], UNH, Colorado College, Minnesota
2004 3 BC, Maine, North Dakota
2005 5 Michigan, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], BC, Colorado College, Denver
2006 3 Miami, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], Minnesota
2007 2 Notre Dame, Clarkson
2008 2 Michigan, Miami
2009 3 Notre Dame, Yale, BU
2010 2 Miami, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color]
2011 3 Yale, BC, North Dakota
2012 2 Union, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color]
2013 2 Quinnipiac, Minnesota
2014 3 Minnesota, Union, BC
2015 3 Robert Morris, BU, Mankato
2016 8 Michigan, Quinnipiac, Yale, BC, Providence, North Dakota, St. Cloud, Michigan Tech
2017 4 Harvard, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], Denver, Duluth
2018 2 [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], St. Cloud
2019 2 AIC, St. Cloud
Right now 4 teams have 4 losses or fewer: Cornell (1), North Dakota (2), Denver (4), Mankato (3). 3 have exactly 5: Clarkson, Dartmouth, BC.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneThe last two years, only two teams have finished with single-digit losses. This year, several teams are on track to either get there or come close.
The average for the last 20 years is 3.4 teams with fewer than 10 losses.
By year:
2000 7 Niagara, SLU, Colgate, UNH, Quinnipiac, Wisconsin, North Dakota
2001 4 Michigan State, BC, North Dakota, St. Cloud
2002 4 Michigan State, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], UNH, Denver, Minnesota
2003 4 [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], UNH, Colorado College, Minnesota
2004 3 BC, Maine, North Dakota
2005 5 Michigan, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], BC, Colorado College, Denver
2006 3 Miami, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], Minnesota
2007 2 Notre Dame, Clarkson
2008 2 Michigan, Miami
2009 3 Notre Dame, Yale, BU
2010 2 Miami, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color]
2011 3 Yale, BC, North Dakota
2012 2 Union, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color]
2013 2 Quinnipiac, Minnesota
2014 3 Minnesota, Union, BC
2015 3 Robert Morris, BU, Mankato
2016 8 Michigan, Quinnipiac, Yale, BC, Providence, North Dakota, St. Cloud, Michigan Tech
2017 4 Harvard, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], Denver, Duluth
2018 2 [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], St. Cloud
2019 2 AIC, St. Cloud
Right now 4 teams have 4 losses or fewer: Cornell (1), North Dakota (2), Denver (4), Mankato (3). 3 have exactly 5: Clarkson, Dartmouth, BC.
Can you put in bold if any won the NC?
Quote from: French RageQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: DafatoneThe last two years, only two teams have finished with single-digit losses. This year, several teams are on track to either get there or come close.
The average for the last 20 years is 3.4 teams with fewer than 10 losses.
By year:
2000 7 Niagara, SLU, Colgate, UNH, Quinnipiac, Wisconsin, [b]North Dakota[/b]
2001 4 Michigan State, [b]BC[/b], North Dakota, St. Cloud
2002 4 Michigan State, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], UNH, Denver, [b]Minnesota[/b]
2003 4 [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], UNH, Colorado College, [b]Minnesota[/b]
2004 3 BC, Maine, North Dakota
2005 5 Michigan, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], BC, Colorado College, [b]Denver[/b]
2006 3 Miami, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], Minnesota
2007 2 Notre Dame, Clarkson
2008 2 Michigan, Miami
2009 3 Notre Dame, Yale, [b]BU[/b]
2010 2 Miami, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color]
2011 3 Yale, BC, North Dakota
2012 2 Union, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color]
2013 2 Quinnipiac, Minnesota
2014 3 Minnesota, [b]Union[/b], BC
2015 3 Robert Morris, BU, Mankato
2016 8 Michigan, Quinnipiac, Yale, BC, Providence, [b]North Dakota[/b], St. Cloud, Michigan Tech
2017 4 Harvard, [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], [b]Denver[/b], Duluth
2018 2 [color=#FF0000]Cornell[/color], St. Cloud
2019 2 AIC, St. Cloud
Right now 4 teams have 4 losses or fewer: Cornell (1), North Dakota (2), Denver (4), Mankato (3). 3 have exactly 5: Clarkson, Dartmouth, BC.
Can you put in bold if any won the NC?
Done
Huh, not as often as I would have thought.
I wonder if CHA folding made it less likely for a 1-seed to advance. Formerly, two 1-seeds played weaker conferences. Now only one does, and that conference has gotten a bit more competitive, too.
Just a thought.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I wonder if CHA folding made it less likely for a 1-seed to advance. Formerly, two 1-seeds played weaker conferences. Now only one does, and that conference has gotten a bit more competitive, too.
Just a thought.
Add to that that lower seeds can sometimes be the home team, giving them help, and that a single game in a sport like hockey makes upset much more likely.
Quote from: iceTop 16 vs. Top 16 (KRACH)
6-1-1 Minnesota State
1-1-2 North Dakota
5-0-2 Cornell
4-3-3 Denver
2-4-0 Boston College
3-2-0 Ohio State
2-2-0 Penn State
0-2-0 Clarkson
1-3-0 Massachusetts
1-2-1 Minn-Duluth
2-1-1 Providence
2-3-1 Arizona State
3-7-0 Michigan State
2-3-1 Northern Michigan
4-3-0 Mass-Lowell
2-3-0 Northeastern
FWIW, NMU came into Lynah Friday night with a five-game unbeaten streak stretching back to Dec. 14, when NMU beat then-#1 Minny State. The first weekend in 2020 NMU swept then-#11 Bowling Green @ Bowling Green. The next weekend it swept Anchorage at home. Not too shabby.
And Cornell's record of 1-0-1 compares rather well with Minny State's 1-1-0 against this common opponent.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Jan. 17-18 (https://www.uscho.com/2020/01/19/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-jan-17-18/)
[b][u]No. 1 Cornell (13-1-3)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 17 Northern Michigan 2 at No. 1 Cornell 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – No. 17 Northern Michigan 1 at [b][u]No. 1 Cornell 3[/u][/b]
No. 1 North Dakota (18-2-3)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 1 North Dakota 4 at Miami 4 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 1 North Dakota 5[/u][/b] at Miami 3
No. 3 Minnesota State (22-3-1)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 3 Minnesota State 6[/u][/b] at No. 15 Bowling Green 3
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 3 Minnesota State 3[/u][/b] at No. 15 Bowling Green 2 (OT)
No. 4 Denver (15-4-5)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 4 Denver 1 at Omaha 1 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 4 Denver 2 at Omaha 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 5 Boston College (15-5-0)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 5 Boston College 3[/u][/b] at No. 13 UMass Lowell 2
01/18/2020 – Boston University 3 at [b][u]No. 5 Boston College 4[/u][/b]
No. 6 Penn State (16-7-1)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]RV Michigan 6[/u][/b] at No. 6 Penn State 0
01/18/2020 – [b][u]RV Michigan 4 at No. 6 Penn State 4 (OT)[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 7 Clarkson (16-5-2)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – No. 7 Clarkson 2 at [b][u]RV Dartmouth 3[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 7 Clarkson 5[/u][/b] at No. 16 Harvard 3
No. 8 Minnesota Duluth (12-8-2)
01/17/2020 No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1 at [b][u]St. Cloud State 2[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 0 at [b][u]St. Cloud State 2[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 9 Ohio State (15-6-3)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 18 Notre Dame 4 at No. 9 Ohio State 4 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – No. 18 Notre Dame 1 at [b][u]No. 9 Ohio State 2[/u][/b]
No. 10 Massachusetts (16-7-1)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 10 Massachusetts 4[/u][/b] at Vermont 0
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 10 Massachusetts 3[/u][/b] at Vermont 1
[b][u]No. 11 Providence (14-6-5)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – [b][u]RV New Hampshire 4[/u][/b] at No. 11 Providence 3
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 11 Providence 5[/u][/b] at RV New Hampshire 1
No. 12 Northeastern (13-7-2)
01/18/2020 – [b][u]Connecticut 3[/u][/b] at No. 12 Northeastern 2 (OT)
No. 13 UMass Lowell (13-6-4)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 5 Boston College 3[/u][/b] at No. 13 UMass Lowell 2
01/18/2020 – Merrimack 4 at [b][u]No. 13 UMass Lowell 6[/u][/b]
No. 14 Arizona State (15-8-3)
01/17/2020 – RIT 1 at [b][u]No. 14 Arizona State 6[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – RIT 3 at [b][u]No. 14 Arizona State 5[/u][/b]
No. 15 Bowling Green (13-11-2)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 3 Minnesota State 6[/u][/b] at No. 15 Bowling Green 3
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 3 Minnesota State 3[/u][/b] at No. 15 Bowling Green 2 (OT)
[b][u]No. 16 Harvard (9-6-2)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – St. Lawrence 1 at [b][u]No. 16 Harvard 3[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 7 Clarkson 5[/u][/b] at No. 16 Harvard 3
[b][u]No. 17 Northern Michigan (13-8-3)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 17 Northern Michigan 2 at No. 1 Cornell 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – No. 17 Northern Michigan 1 at [b][u]No. 1 Cornell 3[/u][/b]
No. 18 Notre Dame (10-10-4)
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 18 Notre Dame 4 at No. 9 Ohio State 4 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – No. 18 Notre Dame 1 at [b][u]No. 9 Ohio State 2[/u][/b]
No. 19 Michigan Tech (13-11-3)
01/17/2020 – No. 19 Michigan Tech 1 at [b][u]RV Bemidji State 4[/u][/b]
01/18/2020 – [b][u]No. 19 Michigan Tech 1 at RV Bemidji State 1 (OT[/u][/b])
[b][u]No. 20 Michigan State (12-11-1)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 20 Michigan State 4[/u][/b] at Wisconsin 0
01/18/2020 – No. 20 Michigan State 1 at [b][u]Wisconsin 3[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 20 Quinnipiac (13-8-1)[/u][/b]
01/17/2020 – [b][u]No. 20 Quinnipiac 4[/u][/b] at Holy Cross 3
RV = Received Votes
Quote from: SwampyNMU beat then-#1 Minny State.
whoa sounds like Mankato should be very concerned with their inconsistency
Cornell is outright #1 in USCHO poll this week.
Here's the link, I'll post them all at the end of work.
USCHO Division I Men's Poll - January 20, 2020 (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/)
Dartmouth is now 20, so we've played 8/20 teams.
Quote from: KenPCornell is outright #1 in USCHO poll this week.
Only by 2 poll points, despite having 7 more first place votes than UND. Only 11 points ahead of #3 Mankato. North Dakota got 3 fewer first-place votes than Mankato, yet leads them by 9 points. NCHC biasing?
I'm treating it as a three-way tie and nothing will change until one of us loses.
Interesting that the women, who are 4th in USCHO, received a 1st place vote. Maybe from Katy Stone of Harvard after the ladies put a butt-whipping on the Crimson?
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - January 20, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (21) 13-1-3 951 1[/u][/b]
2 North Dakota (13) 18-2-3 949 1
3 Minnesota State (16) 22-3-1 940 3
4 Boston College 15-5-0 836 5
5 Denver 15-4-5 811 4
6 Ohio State 15-6-3 700 9
7 Massachusetts 16-7-1 683 10
[b][u]8 Clarkson 16-5-2 682 7[/u][/b]
9 Penn State 16-7-1 602 6
10 Providence 14-6-5 535 11
11 Minnesota Duluth 12-8-2 505 8
12 UMass Lowell 13-6-4 424 13
13 Arizona State 15-8-3 420 14
14 Northeastern 13-7-2 368 12
15 Northern Michigan 13-8-3 206 17
[b][u]16 Harvard 9-6-2 179 16
17 Quinnipiac 13-8-1 151 20[/u][/b]
18 Bowling Green 13-11-2 124 15
19 Michigan State 12-11-1 104 20
[b][u]20 Dartmouth 10-5-3 73 NR[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 65, Bemidji State 58,
Army 31, New Hampshire 31, Michigan Tech 22, Michigan 21,
Western Michigan 19, Sacred Heart 7, Omaha 2, St. Cloud 1
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
January 20, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell University 479 (20) 1 13-1-3 16[/u][/b]
2 University North Dakota 478 (10) 2 18-2-3 12
3 Minnesota State Univer 452 (4) 3 22-3-1 16
4 Boston College 404 5 15-5-0 13
5 University of Denver 394 4 15-4-5 16
[b][u]6 Ohio State University 314 9 15-6-3 16[/u][/b]
7 University Massachusetts303 10 16-7-1 16
[b][u]8 Clarkson University 259 7 16-5-2 16[/u][/b]
9 Penn State University 233 6 16-7-1 16
10 Providence College 186 11 14-6-5 13
11 Univer Minnesota Duluth 171 8 13-8-2 16
12 Uni Massachusetts Lowell126 13 13-6-4 10
13 Arizona State University121 14 8-2-2 4
14 Northeastern University 92 12 13-7-2 16
15 Northern Michigan Univer 23 NR 13-9-3 1
Others receiving votes: Michigan State University 21 [b][u]Quinnipiac University 12[/u][/b]
[b][u]Harvard University 6 Dartmouth College 4[/u][/b] Michigan Tech University 2.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6184 1 .0046 18-2-3 .8478 .8532
2 Minnesota State 58 .6155 2 .0065 22-3-1 .8654 .8626
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .6138 3 .0086 13-1-3 .8529 .8647[/u][/b]
4 Denver 56 .5877 5 .0076 15-4-5 .7292 .7304
5 Boston College 55 .5945 4 .0049 15-5-0 .7500 .7647
6 Massachusetts 54 .5630 6 .0044 16-7-1 .6875 .7009
7 Ohio State 53 .5628 7 .0025 15-6-3 .6875 .6830
[b][u]8 Clarkson 52 .5570 8 .0006 16-5-2 .7391 .7414[/u][/b]
9 Penn State 51 .5562 9 .0017 16-7-1 .6875 .6667
[b][u]10 Providence 50 .5501 10 .0061 14-6-5 .6600 .6434[/u][/b]
11 Arizona State 49 .5481 11 .0035 15-8-3 .6346 .6389
12 Minnesota-Duluth48 .5449 12 .0030 12-8-2 .5909 .5926
13 Mass.-Lowell 47 .5433 13 .0047 13-6-4 .6522 .6356
14 Northeastern 46 .5394 14 .0028 13-7-2 .6364 .6442
[b][u]15 Quinnipiac 45 .5351 15 .0026 13-8-1 .6136 .6311
16 Michigan State 43 .5327 16 .0030 12-11-1 .5208 .5214
17 North Michigan 42 .5311 17 .0031 13-8-3 .6042 .5950[/u][/b]
18 New Hampshire 42 .5293 18 .0055 12-9-1 .5682 .5743
[b][u]19 Dartmouth 41 .5291 19 .0041 10-5-3 .6389 .6386
20 Harvard 40 .5268 20 .0034 9-6-2 .5882 .5756[/u][/b]
21 Notre Dame 39 .5263 21 .0049 10-10-4 .5000 .4914
22 Michigan Tech 38 .5242 22 .0028 13-11-3 .5370 .5461
23 Bemidji State 37 .5229 23 .0000 13-7-4 .6250 .6283
24 Michigan 36 .5215 24 .0041 10-11-3 .4792 .4874
[b][u]25 Army 35 .5190 25 .0002 14-7-2 .6522 .6466[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: Division I Men[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Minnesota State 1066. .8867 1 22-3-1 0.8654 6.429 11 165.8
2 North Dakota 1034. .8837 3 18-2-3 0.8478 5.571 4 185.6
[b][u]3 Cornell 769.3 .8522 2 13-1-3 0.8529 5.800 19 132.6[/u][/b]
4 Denver 523.9 .8029 6 15-4-5 0.7292 2.692 2 194.6
5 Boston College 454.5 .7822 4 15-5-0 0.7500 3.000 14 151.5
[b][u]6 Ohio State 322.5 .7271 7 15-6-3 0.6875 2.200 15 146.6[/u][/b]
7 Penn State 280.0 .7024 7 16-7-1 0.6875 2.200 20 127.3
[b][u]8 Clarkson 257.1 .6870 5 16-5-2 0.7391 2.833 42 90.74[/u][/b]
9 Massachusetts 250.3 .6820 7 16-7-1 0.6875 2.200 26 113.8
10 Minnesota Duluth244.6 .6778 20 12-8-2 0.5909 1.444 8 169.3
[b][u]11 Providence 234.7 .6701 10 14-6-5 0.6600 1.941 25 120.9[/u][/b]
12 Arizona State 219.5 .6575 15 15-8-3 0.6346 1.737 22 126.4
[b][u]13 Michigan State 205.5 .6449 26 12-11-1 0.5208 1.087 3 189.0
14 North Michigan 193.2 .6329 19 13-8-3 0.6042 1.526 21 126.6[/u][/b]
15 UMass Lowell 182.3 .6216 11 13-6-4 0.6522 1.875 35 97.21
16 Northeastern 180.2 .6193 14 13-7-2 0.6364 1.750 30 103.0
17 Michigan Tech 179.7 .6188 24 13-11-3 0.5370 1.160 12 154.9
18 Western Michigan174.5 .6130 29 9-9-4 0.5000 1.000 7 174.5
19 Notre Dame 169.3 .6070 29 10-10-4 0.5000 1.000 9 169.3
[b][u]20 Dartmouth 160.6 .5965 13 10-5-3 0.6389 1.769 41 90.79
21 Quinnipiac 160.2 .5959 18 13-8-1 0.6136 1.588 31 100.8[/u][/b]
22 Bemidji State 159.5 .5951 16 13-7-4 0.6250 1.667 36 95.69
[b][u]23 Harvard 155.9 .5906 21 9-6-2 0.5882 1.429 29 109.2[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - January 20, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (8) 21-2-1 143 2
2 Minnesota (6) 20-2-3 138 1
3 Northeastern 19-3-1 116 3
[b][u]4 Cornell (1) 16-1-2 111 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 14-6-4 91 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 14-4-1 73 6
7 Clarkson 16-4-4 53 7[/u][/b]
7 Boston University 16-5-2 53 8
9 Minnesota Duluth 11-8-3 28 10
[b][u]10 Harvard 10-7-1 8 9[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Quinnipiac 7[/u][/b], Boston College 2,
[b][u]Colgate 1[/u][/b], Bemidji State 1
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 21-2-1 0.8958 1 0.6767* 1
2 Minnesota 39 20-2-3 0.8600 3 0.6721* 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 38 16-1-2 0.8947 2 0.6707* 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 37 19-3-1 0.8478 4 0.6336* 4
[b][u]5 Ohio State 36 14-6-4 0.6667 8 0.6176 5
6 Princeton 35 14-4-1 0.7632 5 0.6126* 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston Univer 34 16-5-2 0.7391 7 0.5850* 7
[b][u]8 Clarkson 33 16-4-4 0.7500 6 0.5790* 8[/u][/b]
9 Minnesota Duluth32 11-8-3 0.5682 18 0.5640 9
[b][u]10 Harvard 31 10-7-1 0.5833 11 0.5563* 10
11 Quinnipiac 30 13-7-3 0.6304 9 0.5502* 11
12 Colgate 29 13-9-4 0.5769 16 0.5496* 12[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Wisconsin 4828. .9367 1 21-2-1 0.8958 8.600 3 561.4
2 Minnesota 4064. .9268 3 20-2-3 0.8600 6.143 2 661.6
[b][u]3 Cornell 3373. .9151 2 16-1-2 0.8947 8.500 5 396.8
4 Ohio State 1858. .8700 8 14-6-4 0.6667 2.000 1 928.9
5 Princeton 1174. .8270 5 14-4-1 0.7632 3.222 6 364.3[/u][/b]
6 Northeastern 997.9 .8101 4 19-3-1 0.8478 5.571 13 179.1
7 Minnesota Duluth 665.8 .7637 18 11-8-3 0.5682 1.316 4 506.0
[b][u]8 Clarkson 553.2 .7407 6 16-4-4 0.7500 3.000 12 184.4[/u][/b]
9 Boston University430.9 .7080 7 16-5-2 0.7391 2.833 18 152.1
[b][u]10 Harvard 397.4 .6971 11 10-7-1 0.5833 1.400 8 283.8[/u][/b]
11 Bemidji State 379.3 .6908 21 13-12-1 0.5192 1.080 7 351.2
[b][u]12 Colgate 360.6 .6838 16 13-9-4 0.5769 1.364 9 264.4
13 Quinnipiac 293.3 .6548 9 13-7-3 0.6304 1.706 16 171.9
14 Robert Morris 241.3 .6269 11 13-9-2 0.5833 1.400 15 172.4[/u][/b]
This is the first time we have successfully defended the poll pole position since I've been tracking polls (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_Block.html), and I assume since 72 or perhaps 73 (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Color_All_Games.html).
This is the first string of 4 top-20 opponents (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/2020_Schedule.html) (at the time of playing) since the last four games of 2012 (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2012/2012_Schedule.html). We haven't done 5+ in the 20 years I've tracked it; possibly ever. Q is 17 so we may do it next week.
Quote from: TrotskyThis is the first time we have successfully defended the poll pole position since I've been tracking polls (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_Block.html), and I assume since 72 or perhaps 73 (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Color_All_Games.html).
This is the first string of 4 top-20 opponents (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/2020_Schedule.html) (at the time of playing) since the last four games of 2012 (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2012/2012_Schedule.html). We haven't done 5+ in the 20 years I've tracked it; possibly ever. Q is 17 so we may do it next week.
Q?
Don't 20 Dartmouth (1/24) and 16 Harvard (1/25) count?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyThis is the first time we have successfully defended the poll pole position since I've been tracking polls (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_Block.html), and I assume since 72 or perhaps 73 (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Color_All_Games.html).
This is the first string of 4 top-20 opponents (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/2020_Schedule.html) (at the time of playing) since the last four games of 2012 (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2012/2012_Schedule.html). We haven't done 5+ in the 20 years I've tracked it; possibly ever. Q is 17 so we may do it next week.
Q?
Don't 20 Dartmouth (1/24) and 16 Harvard (1/25) count?
They are 3 and 4. Q would be 5.
::doh:: I forgot about RPI & Union and thought we had played OSU & Providence immediately prior to tNMU. Sorry!
BTW, since we're using first initials to designate teams, it's really too bad that Union doesn't come after Dartmouth and before Harvard on the schedule.
Quote from: SwampyBTW, since we're using first initials to designate teams
We could. In an ECAC solitaire card game I made (because of course) I use:
BKG CDH PQR SUY with K as Clarkson and G as Colgate. In prior incarnations it had V and A.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
January 21, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University of Wisconsin 184 (13) 2 21-2-1 16
2 University of Minnesota 172 (5) 1 20-2-3 16
3 Northeastern University 151 3 19-3-1 16
[b][u]4 Cornell University 136 (1) 4 16-1-2 16[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State University 116 6 14-6-4 16
[b][u]6 Princeton University 92 5 14-4-1 16
7 Clarkson University 69 7 16-4-4 16[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 64 8 16-5-2 13
9 Univer Minnesota Duluth 36 10 11-8-3 14
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac University 13 NR 13-7-3 1[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University 5,[/u][/b] Boston College 3,
Bemidji State University 2, [b][u]Colgate University 2[/u][/b].
Quote from: TrotskyThis is the first time we have successfully defended the poll pole position since I've been tracking polls (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_Block.html), and I assume since 72 or perhaps 73 (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Color_All_Games.html).
According to an email blast sent to season ticket holders today it's actually the first time ever:
"For a second straight week, Cornell retains the #1 spot in both the USCHO.com and USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine polls, having lost just once in its first 17 games despite playing the nation's fewest home games to date (six). It's the first time the Big Red has claimed the top spot in both national polls for consecutive weeks since the polls started during the 1990s."
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: TrotskyThis is the first time we have successfully defended the poll pole position since I've been tracking polls (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_Block.html), and I assume since 72 or perhaps 73 (http://tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Color_All_Games.html).
According to an email blast sent to season ticket holders today it's actually the first time ever:
"For a second straight week, Cornell retains the #1 spot in both the USCHO.com and USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine polls, having lost just once in its first 17 games despite playing the nation's fewest home games to date (six). It's the first time the Big Red has claimed the top spot in both national polls for consecutive weeks since the polls started during the 1990s."
Well, one would presume had they polls back then the 1969-1970 team would have had #1 for more than a week.
Then again, maybe it was like lacrosse (http://ezramagazine.cornell.edu/Update/May10/EU.1970.lax.team.html), and it would have taken actually winning the NC to convince the nonbelievers. If given the choice, I'd take the latter option this year in a heartbeat.
Quote from: SwampyWell, one would presume had they polls back then the 1969-1970 team would have had #1 for more than a week.
USCHO started in the 90s. USA Hockey started earlier. In any case, there were polls all the way back to at least the 70s and probably before. Don Birkmayer's newsletter (https://www.library.unh.edu/find/archives/collections/birkmayer-finke-intercollegiate-hockey-newsletters-1953-1993) used to publish a poll from a radio station in Michigan, and IINM there were also polls out of Minnesota and Boston. I believe they were all sponsored by local media and probably heavily locally biased. Taking their average might produce a true picture of national ranking during those years.
NoDak is leading late so it looks like it'll have the top PWR spot and Cornell will be in 2nd. Fun tidbit: At the moment Cornell has the highest quality win bonus (QWB) of *any* team. I think that backs ups the view that Cornell hasn't built its record by playing cupcakes (not that any of us thought that).
Quote from: JasonN95NoDak is leading late so it looks like it'll have the top PWR spot and Cornell will be in 2nd. Fun tidbit: At the moment Cornell has the highest quality win bonus (QWB) of *any* team. I think that backs ups the view that Cornell hasn't built its record by playing cupcakes (not that any of us thought that).
Both USCHO & CHN have those NoDak characters #1 and us #2 in the pairwise after last night. It's the adjusted RPI -- .6151 (ND) and .6087 (CU) -- that's responsible. It didn't help that some of our better wins were against teams that lost (MSU, OSU x 2) or tied (DU, BU, CLK, NMU) over the weekend.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: JasonN95NoDak is leading late so it looks like it'll have the top PWR spot and Cornell will be in 2nd. Fun tidbit: At the moment Cornell has the highest quality win bonus (QWB) of *any* team. I think that backs ups the view that Cornell hasn't built its record by playing cupcakes (not that any of us thought that).
Both USCHO & CHN have those NoDak characters #1 and us #2 in the pairwise after last night. It's the adjusted RPI -- .6151 (ND) and .6087 (CU) -- that's responsible. It didn't help that some of our better wins were against teams that lost (MSU, OSU x 2) or tied (DU, BU, CLK, NMU) over the weekend.
[Pedantic alert]
DC
[/pedantic alert]
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: SwampyQuote from: JasonN95NoDak is leading late so it looks like it'll have the top PWR spot and Cornell will be in 2nd. Fun tidbit: At the moment Cornell has the highest quality win bonus (QWB) of *any* team. I think that backs ups the view that Cornell hasn't built its record by playing cupcakes (not that any of us thought that).
Both USCHO & CHN have those NoDak characters #1 and us #2 in the pairwise after last night. It's the adjusted RPI -- .6151 (ND) and .6087 (CU) -- that's responsible. It didn't help that some of our better wins were against teams that lost (MSU, OSU x 2) or tied (DU, BU, CLK, NMU) over the weekend.
[Pedantic alert]
DC
[/pedantic alert]
[argumentative alert]
Wikipedia says (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College), "Dartmouth College is a private Ivy League research
university ...," (emphasis added)
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College) also says, "In the United States, "college" may refer to a constituent part of a university or to a degree-awarding tertiary educational institution, but generally "college" and "university" are used interchangeably."
Finally,
Quote from: The Atlanticsays,
"Technically, colleges are institutions that focus on undergraduate education and tend to be small (no more than a few thousand students); universities are larger and grant graduate degrees.
Now since
Dartmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College) has 6,571 students, while Bryant University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_University) has only 3,751, accordingly the Law of (Not So) Large Institutions applies:
Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/11/is-a-college-different-from-a-university/602215/Plenty of schools with college in their name, for example, have graduate programs—such as Dartmouth and William & Mary. And some universities are relatively small—such as Clark and, well, Lasell [or Bryant].
[/argumentative alert]
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: SwampyQuote from: JasonN95NoDak is leading late so it looks like it'll have the top PWR spot and Cornell will be in 2nd. Fun tidbit: At the moment Cornell has the highest quality win bonus (QWB) of *any* team. I think that backs ups the view that Cornell hasn't built its record by playing cupcakes (not that any of us thought that).
Both USCHO & CHN have those NoDak characters #1 and us #2 in the pairwise after last night. It's the adjusted RPI -- .6151 (ND) and .6087 (CU) -- that's responsible. It didn't help that some of our better wins were against teams that lost (MSU, OSU x 2) or tied (DU, BU, CLK, NMU) over the weekend.
[Pedantic alert]
DC
[/pedantic alert]
[argumentative alert]
Wikipedia says (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College), "Dartmouth College is a private Ivy League research university ...," (emphasis added)
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College) also says, "In the United States, "college" may refer to a constituent part of a university or to a degree-awarding tertiary educational institution, but generally "college" and "university" are used interchangeably."
Finally, Quote from: The Atlanticsays,
"Technically, colleges are institutions that focus on undergraduate education and tend to be small (no more than a few thousand students); universities are larger and grant graduate degrees.
Now since
Dartmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College) has 6,571 students, while Bryant University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_University) has only 3,751, accordingly the Law of (Not So) Large Institutions applies:
Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/11/is-a-college-different-from-a-university/602215/Plenty of schools with college in their name, for example, have graduate programs—such as Dartmouth and William & Mary. And some universities are relatively small—such as Clark and, well, Lasell [or Bryant].
[/argumentative alert]
that certainly is many words
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: SwampyQuote from: JasonN95NoDak is leading late so it looks like it'll have the top PWR spot and Cornell will be in 2nd. Fun tidbit: At the moment Cornell has the highest quality win bonus (QWB) of *any* team. I think that backs ups the view that Cornell hasn't built its record by playing cupcakes (not that any of us thought that).
Both USCHO & CHN have those NoDak characters #1 and us #2 in the pairwise after last night. It's the adjusted RPI -- .6151 (ND) and .6087 (CU) -- that's responsible. It didn't help that some of our better wins were against teams that lost (MSU, OSU x 2) or tied (DU, BU, CLK, NMU) over the weekend.
[Pedantic alert]
DC
[/pedantic alert]
[argumentative alert]
Wikipedia says (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College), "Dartmouth College is a private Ivy League research university ...," (emphasis added)
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College) also says, "In the United States, "college" may refer to a constituent part of a university or to a degree-awarding tertiary educational institution, but generally "college" and "university" are used interchangeably."
Finally, Quote from: The Atlanticsays,
"Technically, colleges are institutions that focus on undergraduate education and tend to be small (no more than a few thousand students); universities are larger and grant graduate degrees.
Now since
Dartmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College) has 6,571 students, while Bryant University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_University) has only 3,751, accordingly the Law of (Not So) Large Institutions applies:
Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/11/is-a-college-different-from-a-university/602215/Plenty of schools with college in their name, for example, have graduate programs—such as Dartmouth and William & Mary. And some universities are relatively small—such as Clark and, well, Lasell [or Bryant].
[/argumentative alert]
Wow.
Dartmouth refers to itself as "Dartmouth College." They are the ultimate arbiter.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Jan. 24-26 (https://wp-admin.uscho.com/2020/01/26/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-jan-24-26/)
[b][u]No. 1 Cornell (14-1-4)[/u][/b]
01/24/2020 – No. 20 Dartmouth 2 at [u][b]No. 1 Cornell 3[/b][/u]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 16 Harvard 1 at No. 1 Cornell 1 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 2 North Dakota (19-3-3)
01/24/2020 – No. 2 North Dakota 4 at [b][u]No. 11 Minnesota Duluth 7[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 2 North Dakota 3[/u][/b] at No. 11 Minnesota Duluth 2
No. 3 Minnesota State (23-4-1)
01/24/2020 – RV Bemidji State 2 at [b][u]No. 3 Minnesota State 3[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]RV Bemidji State 4[/u][/b] at No. 3 Minnesota State 2
No. 4 Boston College (15-7-0)
01/24/2020 – [b][u]Maine 4[/u][/b] at No. 4 Boston College 3 (OT)
01/25/2020 – [b][u]Maine 3[/u][/b] at No. 4 Boston College 2 (OT)
No. 5 Denver (17-4-5)
01/24/2020 – [b][u]No. 5 Denver 3[/u][/b] at Miami 2
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 5 Denver 5[/u][/b] at Miami 2
[b][u]No. 6 Ohio State (15-8-3)[/u][/b]
01/24/2020 – No. 6 Ohio State 3 at [b][u]Minnesota 6[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – No. 6 Ohio State 1 at [b][u]Minnesota 4[/u][/b]
No. 7 Massachusetts (16-8-2)
01/24/2020 – [b][u]RV New Hampshire 1[/u][/b] at No. 7 Massachusetts 0
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 7 Massachusetts 1 at RV New Hampshire 1 (OT)[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 8 Clarkson (17-6-2)[/u][/b]
01/24/2020 – No. 13 Arizona State 1 at [b][u]No. 8 Clarkson 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 13 Arizona State 3[/u][/b] at No. 8 Clarkson 2 (OT)
No. 9 Penn State (17-8-1)
01/24/2020 – No. 9 Penn State 2 at [b][u]No. 19 Michigan State 4[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 9 Penn State 2[/u][/b] at No. 19 Michigan State 1 (OT)
[b][u]No. 10 Providence (14-6-5)[/u][/b]
Did not play.
No. 11 Minnesota Duluth (13-9-2)
01/24/2020 – No. 2 North Dakota 4 at [b][u]No. 11 Minnesota Duluth 7[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 2 North Dakota 3[/u][/b] at No. 11 Minnesota Duluth 2
No. 12 UMass Lowell (13-7-5)
01/24/2020 – No. 12 UMass Lowell 0 at [b][u]Boston University 5[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]Boston University 2 at No. 12 UMass Lowell 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 13 Arizona State (16-9-3)
01/24/2020 – No. 13 Arizona State 1 at [b][u]No. 8 Clarkson 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 13 Arizona State 3[/u][/b] at No. 8 Clarkson 2 (OT)
No. 14 Northeastern (13-7-2)
Did not play.
[b][u]No. 15 Northern Michigan (14-8-4)[/u][/b]
01/24/2020 – [b][u]No. 15 Northern Michigan 4 at Alaska 4 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 15 Northern Michigan 4[/u][/b] at Alaska 2
[b][u]No. 16 Harvard (9-6-4)[/u][/b]
01/24/2020 – [b][u]No. 16 Harvard 3 at Colgate 3 (OT)[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 16 Harvard 1 at No. 1 Cornell 1 (OT)[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 17 Quinnipiac (14-9-1)[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 17 Quinnipiac 3[/u][/b] vs Connecticut 2 (Connecticut Ice Festival, Bridgeport, Conn.)
01/26/2020 – No. 17 Quinnipiac 1 vs [b][u]RV Sacred Heart 4[/u][/b] (Connecticut Ice Festival championship, Bridgeport, Conn.)
No. 18 Bowling Green (13-11-2)
Did not play.
[b][u]No. 19 Michigan State (13-12-1)[/u][/b]
01/24/2020 – No. 9 Penn State 2 at [b][u]No. 19 Michigan State 4[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 9 Penn State 2[/u][/b] at No. 19 Michigan State 1 (OT)
[b][u]No. 20 Dartmouth (10-6-4)[/u][/b]
01/24/2020 – No. 20 Dartmouth 2 at [b][u]No. 1 Cornell 3[/u][/b]
01/25/2020 – [b][u]No. 20 Dartmouth 3 at Colgate 3 (OT)[/u][/b]
RV = Received Votes
Really appreciate you doing these, Jim. Thanks.
Summary:
1. Cornell 1-0-1
2. North Dakota 1-1
3. Mankato 1-1
4. BC 0-2
5. Denver 2-0
7. UMass 0-1-1
8. Clarkson 1-1
9. Penn State 1-1
10. Providence 0-0
The top 10 going just 7-7-2 with no games against each other. Our 3-point weekend against two teams in the top-20 looks pretty good.
After Q we play 8 unranked teams (here listed with PWR):
53 Prn
39 Cgt
39 Cgt
55 Uni
43 RPI
38 Yal
56 Brn
59 SLU
before finishing vs Clarkson.
Time to get fat.
Wow. 40 top place votes from USCHO poll at the end of February. Knock on wood...
Cornell continues at the #1 spot. More clear lead this week with 40 first place votes.
Quote from: ajh258Wow. 40 top place votes from USCHO poll at the end of February.
I knew the drugs would catch up with me eventually. Time sense goes first. :-/
1. Cornell
6. Clarkson
16. Harvard
18. Quinnipiac
23. Dartmouth
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ajh258Wow. 40 top place votes from USCHO poll at the end of February.
I knew the drugs would catch up with me eventually. Time sense goes first. :-/
Sorry. Been running on little sleep past 48 hours.
But this is giving me a boost.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - January 27, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (40) 14-1-4 986 1[/u][/b]
2 North Dakota (8) 19-3-3 946 2
3 Minnesota State (2) 23-4-1 892 3
4 Denver 17-4-5 874 5
5 Boston College 15-7-0 753 4
[b][u]6 Clarkson 17-6-2 716 8[/u][/b]
7 Massachusetts 16-8-2 671 7
8 Penn State 17-8-1 623 9
9 Providence 14-6-5 604 10
10 Minnesota Duluth 13-9-2 568 11
11 Ohio State 15-8-3 546 6
12 Arizona State 16-9-3 441 13
13 Northeastern 13-7-2 375 14
14 UMass Lowell 13-7-5 352 12
15 Northern Michigan 14-8-4 288 15
[b][u]16 Harvard 9-6-4 161 16[/u][/b]
17 Michigan State 13-12-1 131 19
[b][u]18 Quinnipiac 14-9-1 127 17[/u][/b]
19 Bemidji State 14-8-4 91 NR
20 Sacred Heart 16-8-2 83 NR
Others receiving votes: New Hampshire 81, Bowling Green 77,
[b][u]Dartmouth 28[/u][/b], Western Michigan 23, Maine 21, Notre Dame 14,
Minnesota 6, Michigan 6, Army 5, Boston University 5,
Omaha 4, Michigan Tech 1, RIT 1
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - January 27, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (13) 23-2-1 148 1
2 Minnesota (1) 20-4-3 124 2
3 Northeastern 21-3-1 121 3
[b][u]4 Cornell (1) 18-1-2 116 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 16-6-4 90 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 14-4-1 72 6
7 Clarkson 18-4-4 62 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 17-5-3 44 7
9 Minnesota Duluth 12-8-4 27 9
[b][u]10 Harvard 11-8-1 11 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Quinnipiac 3[/u][/b], Robert Morris 3,
Bemidji State 2, Providence 2
I'll add the rest this evening.
Quote from: ajh258But this is giving me a boost.
Given the news in the real world the past few years. Cornell hockey is what's kept me out of the booby hatch.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ajh258But this is giving me a boost.
Given the news in the real world the past few years. Cornell hockey is what's kept me out of the booby hatch.
You and me both, friend.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ajh258But this is giving me a boost.
Given the news in the real world the past few years. Cornell hockey is what's kept me out of the booby hatch.
You and me both, friend.
Make it 3.
Regarding the women's poll, I'm a little surprised the women didn't at least leapfrog over Northeastern given their dominance the past 2 weekends. But I'm too lazy to see what Northeastern did this past weekend.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ajh258But this is giving me a boost.
Given the news in the real world the past few years. Cornell hockey is what's kept me out of the booby hatch.
You and me both, friend.
Make it 3.
Regarding the women's poll, I'm a little surprised the women didn't at least leapfrog over Northeastern given their dominance the past 2 weekends. But I'm too lazy to see what Northeastern did this past weekend.
Northeastern swept UVM 4-0 and 10-2.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ajh258But this is giving me a boost.
Given the news in the real world the past few years. Cornell hockey is what's kept me out of the booby hatch.
You and me both, friend.
+10
30/34 first place votes in USA Today (88%)
40/50 first place votes in USCHO (80%)
These are our highest first place vote totals (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/cornell_Poll_History.html) in the history of these polls.
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
January 27, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell University 502 (30) 1 14-1-4 17[/u][/b]
2 University North Dakota 471 (4) 2 19-3-3 13
3 Minnesota State Univer 439 3 23-4-1 17
4 University of Denver 421 5 17-4-5 17
5 Boston College 355 4 15-7-0 14
6 University Massachusetts303 7 16-8-2 17
[b][u]7 Clarkson University 297 8 17-6-2 17[/u][/b]
8 Providence College 252 10 14-6-5 14
9 Penn State University 248 9 17-8-1 17
10 Univer Minnesota Duluth 206 11 13-9-2 17
11 Ohio State University 197 6 15-8-3 17
12 Arizona State University131 13 16-9-3 5
13 Northeastern University 108 14 13-7-2 17
14 Uni Massachusetts Lowell 50 12 13-7-5 11
15 Northern Michigan Univer 43 15 14-8-4 2
Others receiving votes: Michigan State University 26, University of New Hampshire 13,
[b][u]Quinnipiac University 6, Harvard University 6[/u][/b], Western Michigan University 3,
Sacred Heart University 2, University of Maine 1.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6149 1 .0060 19-3-3 .8200 .8319
[b][u]2 Cornell 58 .6089 2 .0068 14-1-4 .8421 .8457[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State 57 .6032 3 .0067 23-4-1 .8393 .8298
4 Denver 56 .5889 4 .0065 17-4-5 .7500 .7559
5 Boston College 55 .5663 5 .0037 15-7-0 .6818 .6842
6 Penn State 54 .5576 6 .0013 17-8-1 .6731 .6614
7 Massachusetts 53 .5510 7 .0045 16-8-2 .6538 .6641
[b][u]8 Clarkson 52 .5502 8 .0012 17-6-2 .7200 .7143
9 Providence 51 .5495 9 .0063 14-6-5 .6600 .6434
10 Ohio State 50 .5484 10 .0022 15-8-3 .6346 .6375[/u][/b]
11 Arizona State 49 .5460 11 .0044 16-9-3 .6250 .6360
12 Minnesota-Duluth48 .5457 12 .0042 13-9-2 .5833 .5763
13 Northeastern 47 .5393 13 .0032 13-7-2 .6364 .6442
14 New Hampshire 46 .5388 14 .0071 13-9-2 .5833 .5893
[b][u]15 Northrn Michigan44 .5370 15 .0026 14-8-4 .6154 .6136[/u][/b]
16 Mass.-Lowell 44 .5355 16 .0050 13-7-5 .6200 .6063
17 Maine 43 .5342 17 .0062 12-9-4 .5600 .5965
[b][u]18 Michigan State 42 .5331 18 .0046 13-12-1 .5192 .5118
19 Quinnipiac 41 .5324 19 .0018 14-9-1 .6042 .6195[/u][/b]
20 Bemidji State 39 .5311 20 .0022 14-8-4 .6154 .6260
[b][u]21 Harvard 39 .5303 21 .0040 9-6-4 .5789 .5781[/u][/b]
22 Western Michigan37 .5260 22 .0034 11-9-4 .5417 .5342
[b][u]23 Dartmouth 37 .5241 23 .0039 10-6-4 .6000 .6087[/u][/b]
24 Michigan 35 .5229 24 .0054 10-11-3 .4792 .4874
25 Nebraska-Omaha 35 .5223 25 .0057 11-10-5 .5192 .5263
26 Minnesota 35 .5210 26 .0033 10-10-4 .5000 .4746
27 Notre Dame 33 .5200 27 .0039 11-11-4 .5000 .4841
[b][u]28 Boston Univer 32 .5185 28 .0044 9-8-6 .5217 .5140[/u][/b]
29 Michigan Tech 32 .5169 29 .0029 14-12-3 .5345 .5364
30 Sacred Heart 30 .5114 30 .0004 16-8-2 .6538 .6403
[b]For some reason it won't let me post the Men's KRACH[/b]
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 23-2-1 0.9038 2 0.6987* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 39 18-1-2 0.9048 1 0.6749* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 20-4-3 0.7963 4 0.6544* 3
4 Northeastern 37 21-3-1 0.8600 3 0.6343* 4
[b][u]5 Ohio State 36 16-6-4 0.6923 8 0.6236* 5
6 Princeton 35 14-4-1 0.7632 6 0.6118* 6
7 Clarkson 34 18-4-4 0.7692 5 0.5869* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 17-5-3 0.7400 7 0.5746* 8
9 Minnesota Duluth32 12-8-4 0.5833 12 0.5636 9
[b][u]10 Harvard 31 11-8-1 0.5750 16 0.5499* 10
11 Colgate 30 13-11-4 0.5357 22 0.5438* 11
12 Quinnipiac 29 13-9-3 0.5800 13 0.5419* 12
13 Robert Morris 28 15-9-2 0.6154 9 0.5383* 13[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Wisconsin 7194. .9529 2 23-2-1 0.9038 9.400 3 765.3
[b][u]2 Cornell 3974. .9217 1 18-1-2 0.9048 9.500 5 418.3[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 3534. .9144 4 20-4-3 0.7963 3.909 2 904.1
[b][u]4 Ohio State 2063. .8752 8 16-6-4 0.6923 2.250 1 916.8
5 Princeton 1225. .8282 6 14-4-1 0.7632 3.222 6 380.2[/u][/b]
6 Northeastern 1060. .8135 3 21-3-1 0.8600 6.143 15 172.6
7 Minnesota Duluth 666.0 .7613 12 12-8-4 0.5833 1.400 4 475.7
[b][u]8 Clarkson 639.9 .7565 5 18-4-4 0.7692 3.333 13 192.0[/u][/b]
9 Bemidji State 408.4 .6990 22 14-12-2 0.5357 1.154 7 353.9
10 Boston University374.7 .6874 7 17-5-3 0.7400 2.846 21 131.7
[b][u]11 Harvard 372.4 .6865 16 11-8-1 0.5750 1.353 10 275.2
12 Colgate 353.2 .6793 22 13-11-4 0.5357 1.154 8 306.1
13 Robert Morris 268.2 .6408 9 15-9-2 0.6154 1.600 16 167.6
14 Quinnipiac 267.3 .6403 13 13-9-3 0.5800 1.381 12 193.5[/u][/b]
+1
I just noticed that there are only two one loss teams in Division I college hockey, and they both play their home games at Lynah Rink. Pretty cool. B-]
Quote from: djk26I just noticed that there are only two one loss teams in Division I college hockey, and they both play their home games at Lynah Rink. Pretty cool. B-]
And they both have award wining goaltenders.
Combined PWR of this week's opponents:
80 1. NoDak CC (40) x2
72 2. Cornell at Quinnipiac (19), at Princeton (53)
114 3. Mankato at UAA (57) x2
24 4. Denver Duluth (12) x2
35 5. BC at UMass (7), vs BU (28)
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Jan. 31-Feb. 1 (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/02/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-teams-fared-jan-31-feb-1/)
[b][u]No. 1 Cornell (15-2-4)[/b][/u]
01/31/2020 – No. 1 Cornell 0 at [b][u]No. 18 Quinnipiac 5[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – [b][u]No. 1 Cornell 5[/u][/b] at Princeton 3
No. 2 North Dakota (21-3-3)
01/31/2020 – Colorado College 0 at [b][u]No. 2 North Dakota 1[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – Colorado College 1 at [b][u]No. 2 North Dakota 8[/u][/b]
No. 3 Minnesota State (24-4-2)
01/31/2020 – [b][u]No. 3 Minnesota State 7[/u][/b] at Alaska Anchorage 1
02/01/2020 – [b][u]No. 3 Minnesota State 2 at Alaska Anchorage 2 (OT)[/u][/b]
No. 4 Denver (17-6-5)
01/31/2020 – [b][u]No. 10 Minnesota Duluth 3[/u][/b] at No. 4 Denver 2
02/01/2020 – [b][u]No. 10 Minnesota Duluth 4[/u][/b] at No. 4 Denver 1
No. 5 Boston College (16-7-0)
01/31/2020 – [b][u]No. 5 Boston College 3[/u][/b] at No. 7 Massachusetts 0
[b][u]No. 6 Clarkson (19-6-2)[/u][/b]
01/31/2020 – Yale 1 at [b][u]No. 6 Clarkson 3[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – Brown 1 at [b][u]No. 6 Clarkson 4[/u][/b]
No. 7 Massachusetts (16-9-2)
01/31/2020 – [b][u]No. 5 Boston College 3[/u][/b] at No. 7 Massachusetts 0
No. 8 Penn State (17-9-2)
01/31/2020 – [b][u]RV Notre Dame 3 at No. 8 Penn State 3 (OT)[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – [b][u]RV Notre Dame 4[/u][/b] at No. 8 Penn State 2
[b][u]No. 9 Providence (14-7-5)[/u][/b]
01/31/2020 – No. 9 Providence 3 at [b][u]No. 13 Northeastern 4[/u][/b]
No. 10 Minnesota Duluth (15-9-2)
01/31/2020 – [b][u]No. 10 Minnesota Duluth 3[/u][/b] at No. 4 Denver 2
02/01/2020 – [b][u]No. 10 Minnesota Duluth 4[/u][/b] at No. 4 Denver 1
[b][u]No. 11 Ohio State (16-9-3)[/u][/b]
01/31/2020 – No. 11 Ohio State 2 at [u][b]RV Michigan 3[/b][/u]
02/01/2020 – [b][u]No. 11 Ohio State 4[/u][/b] at RV Michigan 1
No. 12 Arizona State (18-9-3)
01/31/2020 – Robert Morris 2 at [b][u]No. 12 Arizona State 3[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – Robert Morris 4 at [b][u]No. 12 Arizona State 5[/u][/b]
No. 13 Northeastern (14-7-2)
01/31/2020 – No. 9 Providence 3 at [b][u]No. 13 Northeastern 4[/u][/b]
No. 14 UMass Lowell (13-7-5)
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 15 Northern Michigan (16-8-4)[/u][/b]
01/31/2020 – Ferris State 2 at [b][u]No. 15 Northern Michigan 5[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – Ferris State 2 at [b][u]No. 15 Northern Michigan 5[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 16 Harvard (10-6-4)[/u][/b]
01/31/2020 – [b][u]No. 16 Harvard 8[/u][/b] at Union 5
[b][u]No. 17 Michigan State (13-12-1)[/u][/b]
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]
[b][u]No. 18 Quinnipiac (16-9-1)[/u][/b]
01/31/2020 – No. 1 Cornell 0 at [b][u]No. 18 Quinnipiac 5[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – Colgate 1 at [b][u]No. 18 Quinnipiac 2[/u][/b]
No. 19 Bemidji State (16-8-4)
01/31/2020 – RV Bowling Green 1 at [b][u]No. 19 Bemidji State 4[/u][/b]
02/01/2020 – RV Bowling Green 2 at [b][u]No. 19 Bemidji State 4[/u][/b]
No. 20 Sacred Heart (18-8-2)
01/31/2020 – [b][u]No. 20 Sacred Heart 5[/u][/b] at Air Force 4 (OT)
02/01/2020 – [b][u]No. 20 Sacred Heart 5[/u][/b] at Air Force 2
RV = Received Votes
I'll clean this up later.
USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 3, 2020
Rnk Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (49) 21-3-3 998 2
2 Cornell 15-2-4 913 1
3 Minnesota State (1) 24-4-2 903 3
4 Boston College 16-7-0 839 5
5 Clarkson 19-6-2 768 6
6 Minnesota Duluth 15-9-2 749 10
7 Denver 17-6-5 739 4
8 Massachusetts 16-9-2 597 7
9 Penn State 17-9-2 535 8
10 Providence 14-7-5 497 9
11 Arizona State 18-9-3 489 12
12 Northeastern 14-7-2 482 13
13 Ohio State 16-9-3 471 11
14 UMass Lowell 13-7-5 307 14
15 Northern Michigan 16-8-4 290 15
16 Quinnipiac 16-9-1 257 18
17 Harvard 10-6-4 192 16
18 Bemidji State 16-8-4 131 19
19 Michigan State 13-12-1 107 17
20 Sacred Heart 18-8-2 73 20
Others receiving votes: Maine 52, Bowling Green 27, Minnesota 22, Notre Dame 20
Quote from: Jim HylaI'll clean this up later.
USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 3, 2020
Rnk Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (49) 21-3-3 998 2
2 Cornell 15-2-4 913 1
3 Minnesota State (1) 24-4-2 903 3
4 Boston College 16-7-0 839 5
5 Clarkson 19-6-2 768 6
6 Minnesota Duluth 15-9-2 749 10
7 Denver 17-6-5 739 4
8 Massachusetts 16-9-2 597 7
9 Penn State 17-9-2 535 8
10 Providence 14-7-5 497 9
11 Arizona State 18-9-3 489 12
12 Northeastern 14-7-2 482 13
13 Ohio State 16-9-3 471 11
14 UMass Lowell 13-7-5 307 14
15 Northern Michigan 16-8-4 290 15
16 Quinnipiac 16-9-1 257 18
17 Harvard 10-6-4 192 16
18 Bemidji State 16-8-4 131 19
19 Michigan State 13-12-1 107 17
20 Sacred Heart 18-8-2 73 20
Others receiving votes: Maine 52, Bowling Green 27, Minnesota 22, Notre Dame 20
Wow. Surprised we only dropped to #2.
I was assuming we'd go to 3 to match PWR. Not that it matters, of course, but I'm happy to be garnering respect for recruiting purposes.
[b]PWR USCHO Team[/b]
1 1 NoDak
2 3 Mankato
3 2 Cornell
4 7 Denver
5 4 BC
6 6 Duluth
7 5 Clarkson
8 11 Arizona State
9 8 UMass
10 13 Ohio State
11 9 Penn State
12 12 Northeastern
13 10 Providence
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jim HylaI'll clean this up later.
USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 3, 2020
Rnk Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (49) 21-3-3 998 2
2 Cornell 15-2-4 913 1
3 Minnesota State (1) 24-4-2 903 3
4 Boston College 16-7-0 839 5
5 Clarkson 19-6-2 768 6
6 Minnesota Duluth 15-9-2 749 10
7 Denver 17-6-5 739 4
8 Massachusetts 16-9-2 597 7
9 Penn State 17-9-2 535 8
10 Providence 14-7-5 497 9
11 Arizona State 18-9-3 489 12
12 Northeastern 14-7-2 482 13
13 Ohio State 16-9-3 471 11
14 UMass Lowell 13-7-5 307 14
15 Northern Michigan 16-8-4 290 15
16 Quinnipiac 16-9-1 257 18
17 Harvard 10-6-4 192 16
18 Bemidji State 16-8-4 131 19
19 Michigan State 13-12-1 107 17
20 Sacred Heart 18-8-2 73 20
Others receiving votes: Maine 52, Bowling Green 27, Minnesota 22, Notre Dame 20
Wow. Surprised we only dropped to #2.
Minny State did need a desperate last minute to salvage a tie against Alaska-Anchorage which is worse than a loss (even a bad loss) to Quinnipiac. Had to be what kept us barely ahead.
what are the chances that SUCKS can beat #12 Northeastern tonight in the first round of the Beanpot?
Maybe the Huskies will be quarantined for possible corona virus exposure or something?
Quote from: Cornell95what are the chances that SUCKS can beat #12 Northeastern tonight in the first round of the Beanpot?
Maybe the Huskies will be quarantined for possible corona virus exposure or something?
Anything is possible.
Can't see them winning it all, though. BC is good and BU is getting their act together. Sucks will find a way to lose.
Harvard is traditionally a Consolation Game super power.
Here it is.
For some reason it still won't let me post the men's Krach.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 3, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (49) 21-3-3 998 2
[b][u]2 Cornell 15-2-4 913 1[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State (1) 24-4-2 903 3
4 Boston College 16-7-0 839 5
[b][u]5 Clarkson 19-6-2 768 6[/u][/b]
6 Minnesota Duluth 15-9-2 749 10
7 Denver 17-6-5 739 4
8 Massachusetts 16-9-2 597 7
9 Penn State 17-9-2 535 8
10 Providence 14-7-5 497 9
11 Arizona State 18-9-3 489 12
12 Northeastern 14-7-2 482 13
13 Ohio State 16-9-3 471 11
14 UMass Lowell 13-7-5 307 14
15 Northern Michigan 16-8-4 290 15
[b][u]16 Quinnipiac 16-9-1 257 18
17 Harvard 10-6-4 192 16[/u][/b]
18 Bemidji State 16-8-4 131 19
19 Michigan State 13-12-1 107 17
20 Sacred Heart 18-8-2 73 20
Others receiving votes: Maine 52, Bowling Green 27, Minnesota 22,
Notre Dame 20, Western Michigan 19, Boston University 5,
New Hampshire 4, [b][u]Dartmouth 4[/u][/b], Michigan Tech 4, Omaha 2, AIC 2, Michigan 2
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
February 3, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University of North Dakota 507 (33) 2 21-3-3 14
[b][u]2 Cornell University 457 1 15-2-4 18[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State University 451 (1) 3 24-4-2 18
4 Boston College 395 5 16-7-0 16
5 University of Denver 363 4 17-6-5 18
[b][u]6 Clarkson University 323 7 19-6-2 18[/u][/b]
7 University of Minnesota Duluth 321 10 15-9-2 18
8 University of Massachusetts 255 6 16-9-2 18
9 Arizona State University 189 12 18-9-3 6
10 Providence College 166 8 14-7-5 15
10 Penn State University 166 9 17-9-2 18
12 Northeastern University 156 13 14-7-2 18
13 Ohio State University 144 11 16-9-3 18
14 University Massachusetts Lowell 58 14 13-7-5 12
[b][u]15 Quinnipiac University 47 NR 16-9-1 4[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Northern Michigan University 22, Michigan State University 19,
[b][u]Harvard University 14[/u][/b], Bowling Green State University 10, University of Maine 8,
Western Michigan University 4, Sacred Heart University 2, Bemidji State University 1.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6127 1 .0069 21-3-3 .8333 .8425
2 Minnesota State 58 .5982 2 .0077 24-4-2 .8333 .8289
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .5975 3 .0058 15-2-4 .8095 .8221[/u][/b]
4 Denver 55 .5730 4 .0059 17-6-5 .6964 .6906
5 Boston College 55 .5717 5 .0038 16-7-0 .6957 .7000
6 Minnesota-Duluth55 .5628 6 .0077 15-9-2 .6154 .6154
[b][u]7 Clarkson 53 .5532 7 .0015 19-6-2 .7407 .7313[/u][/b]
8 Arizona State 52 .5481 8 .0041 18-9-3 .6500 .6562
9 Massachusetts 51 .5474 9 .0051 16-9-2 .6296 .6343
[b][u]10 Ohio State 50 .5469 10 .0016 16-9-3 .6250 .6346[/u][/b]
11 Penn State 49 .5465 11 .0014 17-9-2 .6429 .6232
12 Northeastern 48 .5456 12 .0031 14-7-2 .6522 .6574
[b][u]13 Providence 47 .5451 13 .0058 14-7-5 .6346 .6241
14 Quinnipiac 46 .5422 14 .0031 16-9-1 .6346 .6446[/u][/b]
15 Maine 45 .5393 15 .0052 14-9-4 .5926 .6230
[b][u]16 Northrn Michigan43 .5392 16 .0023 16-8-4 .6429 .6357[/u][/b]
17 Mass.-Lowell 43 .5377 17 .0051 13-7-5 .6200 .6063
18 Bemidji State 41 .5371 18 .0021 16-8-4 .6429 .6489
[b][u]19 Harvard 41 .5330 19 .0041 10-6-4 .6000 .6029[/u][/b]
20 Minnesota 41 .5326 20 .0031 12-10-4 .5385 .5231
[b][u]21 Michigan State 39 .5294 21 .0041 13-12-1 .5192 .5118[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 3, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (14) 25-2-1 149 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (1) 19-1-3 124 4[/u][/b]
3 Northeastern 23-3-1 121 3
4 Minnesota 21-5-3 116 2
5 Ohio State 17-6-5 88 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 17-4-1 77 6
7 Clarkson 18-4-6 55 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 18-6-3 45 8
9 Minnesota Duluth 13-9-4 34 9
[b][u]10 Harvard 12-8-1 10 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 2, [b][u]Quinnipiac 2[/u][/b], Bemidji State 1, Providence 1
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 25-2-1 0.9107 1 0.6948* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 39 19-1-3 0.8913 2 0.6676* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 21-5-3 0.7759 5 0.6439* 3
4 Northeastern 37 23-3-1 0.8704 3 0.6403* 4
[b][u]5 Ohio State 36 17-6-5 0.6964 8 0.6213 5
6 Princeton 35 17-4-1 0.7955 4 0.6200* 6
7 Clarkson 34 18-4-6 0.7500 6 0.5872* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 18-6-3 0.7222 7 0.5725* 8
9 Minnesota Duluth32 13-9-4 0.5769 15 0.5702 9
[b][u]10 Harvard 31 12-8-1 0.5952 12 0.5516* 10
11 Quinnipiac 30 15-10-3 0.5893 13 0.5440* 11
12 Colgate 29 13-11-6 0.5333 20 0.5430* 12[/u][/b]
13 Boston College 28 14-10-3 0.5741 16 0.5391 13
14 Bemidji State 27 14-13-3 0.5167 23 0.5358* 14
[b][u]15 Robert Morris 26 15-9-2 0.6154 9 0.5352* 15[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Wisconsin 6892. .9520 1 25-2-1 0.9107 10.200 3 675.7
[b][u]2 Cornell 3379. .9120 2 19-1-3 0.8913 8.200 6 412.0[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 2931. .9022 5 21-5-3 0.7759 3.462 2 846.6
[u][b]4 Ohio State 1963. .8710 8 17-6-5 0.6964 2.294 1 855.6
5 Princeton 1354. .8373 4 17-4-1 0.7955 3.889 7 348.3[/b][/u]
6 Northeastern 1220. .8269 3 23-3-1 0.8704 6.714 14 181.7
7 Minnesota Duluth793.1 .7805 15 13-9-4 0.5769 1.364 4 581.6
[b][u]8 Clarkson 684.5 .7632 6 18-4-6 0.7500 3.000 12 228.2[/u][/b]
9 Bemidji State 448.5 .7101 23 14-13-3 0.5167 1.069 5 419.6
10 Boston Univer 373.0 .6855 7 18-6-3 0.7222 2.600 17 143.5
[b][u]11 Harvard 370.3 .6845 12 12-8-1 0.5952 1.471 11 251.8
12 Colgate 350.5 .6770 20 13-11-6 0.5333 1.143 8 306.6
13 Quinnipiac 285.8 .6487 13 15-10-3 0.5893 1.435 13 199.2
14 Robert Morris 261.2 .6361 9 15-9-2 0.6154 1.600 16 163.2[/u][/b]
Quote from: TrotskyHarvard is traditionally a Consolation Game super power.
We'll see next week...cause that's where they'll be playing ::dribble::
BU vs. BC was a spectacular game at the Beanpot. BU looked significantly better than at MSG
Quote from: arugulaBU vs. BC was a spectacular game at the Beanpot. BU looked significantly better than at MSG
I only saw the 3rd period and OTs, but from what I saw I agree with your assessment. For the young and talented teams like BU, it only makes sense that they will improve (often significantly) as the season progresses.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: arugulaBU vs. BC was a spectacular game at the Beanpot. BU looked significantly better than at MSG
I only saw the 3rd period and OTs, but from what I saw I agree with your assessment. For the young and talented teams like BU, it only makes sense that they will improve (often significantly) as the season progresses.
Globe article said new players joined BU team second semester.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: arugulaBU vs. BC was a spectacular game at the Beanpot. BU looked significantly better than at MSG
I only saw the 3rd period and OTs, but from what I saw I agree with your assessment. For the young and talented teams like BU, it only makes sense that they will improve (often significantly) as the season progresses.
Globe article said new players joined BU team second semester.
It was mentioned on the broadcast that their goalie, Ashton Abel, spent 2 1/2 years, including the first half of this season, in the AJHL.
Ashton Abel, 20 years old
2019-20 Okotoks Oilers, AJHL
26 games, 2.13 GAA, 0.912 Save%
2019-20 Boston University, H-East
6 games, 2.05 GAA, 0.927 Save%
Sam Tucker (Moved from Yale to BU after graduation) played goalie in the MSG game.
19 games, 2.79 GAA, 0.908 Save%
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: arugulaBU vs. BC was a spectacular game at the Beanpot. BU looked significantly better than at MSG
I only saw the 3rd period and OTs, but from what I saw I agree with your assessment. For the young and talented teams like BU, it only makes sense that they will improve (often significantly) as the season progresses.
Globe article said new players joined BU team second semester.
CHN article mentions: (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/02/04_BU,-Northeastern-Advance-.php)
QuoteSkoog [got game winner] arrival midseason has provided the Terriers with some much-needed scoring depth. Skoog initially planned to enroll next fall, but injury concerns and offensive woes compelled O'Connell and his staff to bring the Swedish winger in early. He spent the first half of the season with Maryland of the NAHL, scoring 15 goals and assisting on 18 others in 24 games.
Skoog wasn't the only second-semester acquisition to shine for BU on Monday. Goaltender Ashton Abel, who played 26 games for the AJHL's Okotoks Oilers to start the 2019-20 season, recovered from a shaky start to make 27 saves.
Quote from: iceSam Tucker (Moved from Yale to BU after graduation) played goalie in the MSG game.
19 games, 2.79 GAA, 0.908 Save%
a graduate transfer losing his job to a spring roster addition is brutal
Attached is a graph of KRACH by team as of 2/8/20. Cornell is negatively impacted by its relatively low SOS.
KRACH with superimposition of SOS.
That's gorgeous, ice. Thanks! And welcome to eLynah.
is SOS used on a sliding scale or purely by the numbers in these rating systems?
In basketball its way over valued because there are so many teams. In hockey the deviance from best to worst is far less in a game where one play can mean the game that you completely dominated way more than any other sport.
If the best 2 teams play the same top 20 games and one team plays the bottom 2 teams 10 times and the other plays the middle 2 teams 10 times the SOS will much better wouldn't it? But in reality they both played games they will probably win 90% of the times or more?
In basketball its even worse because if you play the teams 75-100 vs the teams 275-300 it creates a huge imbalance in the SOS yet in both cases the top teams would win all of these games 99.9% of the time..
KRACH is explained here:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=krach
Quote from: iceKRACH with superimposition of SOS.
It was a rough weekend for Cornell's non-conference opponents. 1-7-1 by my count.
Quote from: JasonN95Quote from: iceKRACH with superimposition of SOS.
It was a rough weekend for Cornell's non-conference opponents. 1-7-1 by my count.
Yeah, NMU, Providence and OSU had a rough go. MSU salvaged a split against the Gophers, but that was about it.
Cornell retains the #2 spot and garners one 1st place vote.
Biggest changes in the poll reflect bad weekend results from both Boston College and Providence.
And UMD circles menacingly just outside the top 3.
Regardless of pages of statistics and complicated long-division there is only one credible way to discover which team is better . . .
Quote from: osorojoRegardless of pages of statistics and complicated long-division there is only one credible way to discover which team is better . . .
Monkey knife fight?
Quote from: osorojoRegardless of pages of statistics and complicated long-division there is only one credible way to discover which team is better . . .
why do you even bother coming online to talk about sports
Quote from: French RageQuote from: osorojoRegardless of pages of statistics and complicated long-division there is only one credible way to discover which team is better . . .
Monkey knife fight?
Simple math?
Quote from: French RageQuote from: osorojoRegardless of pages of statistics and complicated long-division there is only one credible way to discover which team is better . . .
Monkey knife fight?
Soggy biscuit
Nah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Quote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Weather forecasting?
Quote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
The supplicants or the computers?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
The supplicants or the computers?
Computers.
The Supplicants is the live show. Euripides worked blue.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
The supplicants or the computers?
Computers.
The Supplicants is the live show. Euripides worked blue.
The generics aren't blue.
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
The supplicants or the computers?
Computers.
The Supplicants is the live show. Euripides worked blue.
The generics aren't blue.
If the show lasts more than four hours I want my money back.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
The supplicants or the computers?
Computers.
The Supplicants is the live show. Euripides worked blue.
The generics aren't blue.
If the show lasts more than four hours I want my money back.
For the generics or for the show?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
The supplicants or the computers?
Computers.
The Supplicants is the live show. Euripides worked blue.
Had to look that one up.
I am an engineer after all. Classics were never required.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoNah. Too visceral, excuse the pun. Instead use numbers exclusively. If not, why are we building more super-cooled, solid rhodium computers fed and served by swarms of numbers-bearing supplicants?
Pretty sure those are just for porn.
The supplicants or the computers?
Computers.
The Supplicants is the live show. Euripides worked blue.
The generics aren't blue.
If the show lasts more than four hours I want my money back.
For the generics or for the show?
After four hours who cares? After the first fifteen minutes it's all generic.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 10, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (48) 21-3-3 998 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (1) 17-2-4 927 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State (1) 26-4-2 920 3
4 Minnesota Duluth 17-9-2 794 6
[b][u]5 Clarkson 20-6-2 787 5[/u][/b]
6 Denver 17-6-5 739 7
7 Boston College 16-8-1 704 4
8 Massachusetts 18-9-2 684 8
9 Penn State 18-9-3 596 9
10 Arizona State 20-9-3 529 11
11 UMass Lowell 15-7-5 465 14
12 Northeastern 15-8-2 431 12
13 Ohio State 16-10-4 367 13
14 Providence 14-9-5 363 10
[b][u]15 Quinnipiac 17-9-2 294 16[/u][/b]
16 Bemidji State 16-8-4 180 18
17 Maine 15-9-4 159 NR
[b][u]18 Harvard 11-7-4 150 17[/u][/b]
19 Northern Michigan 16-10-4 146 15
20 Sacred Heart 18-8-2 92 20
Others receiving votes: Michigan State 67, Western Michigan 42,
Minnesota 32, Notre Dame 10, AIC 8, Bowling Green 7,
New Hampshire 4, Boston University 3, Michigan 2
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
February 10, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University North Dakota 504 (30) 1 21-3-3 15
[b][u]2 Cornell University 462 (3) 2 17-2-4 19[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State Univer 456 3 26-4-2 19
4 Univer Minnesota Duluth 375 7 17-9-2 19
5 University of Denver 348 5 17-6-5 19
6 Boston College 333 4 16-8-1 17
[b][u]7 Clarkson University 318 6 20-6-2 19[/u][/b]
8 University Massachusetts279 8 18-9-2 19
9 Penn State University 242 10 18-9-3 19
10 Arizona State University192 9 20-9-3 7
11 U Massachusetts Lowell 149 14 15-7-5 8
12 Northeastern University 125 12 15-8-2 19
13 Ohio State University 92 13 16-10-4 19
14 Providence College 53 10 14-9-5 12
[b][u]15 Quinnipiac University 47 15 17-9-2 5[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: University of Maine 36, Western Michigan University 14,
Bemidji State University 13, [b][u]Harvard University 12[/u][/b],
Bowling Green State University 11, Northern Michigan University 10,
Michigan State University 5, University of Minnesota 3, Sacred Heart University 1.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6165 1 .0078 21-3-3 .8333 .8425
2 Minnesota State 58 .6048 2 .0076 26-4-2 .8438 .8375
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .5961 3 .0039 17-2-4 .8261 .8377[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota-Duluth56 .5716 5 .0081 17-9-2 .6429 .6377
5 Denver 55 .5752 4 .0066 17-6-5 .6964 .6906
6 Boston College 54 .5628 6 .0045 16-8-1 .6600 .6603
7 Massachusetts 53 .5565 7 .0053 18-9-2 .6552 .6597
8 Penn State 52 .5515 8 .0017 18-9-3 .6500 .6376
[b][u]9 Clarkson 51 .5512 9 .0014 20-6-2 .7500 .7429[/u][/b]
10 Arizona State 50 .5501 10 .0040 20-9-3 .6719 .6827
11 Mass.-Lowell 49 .5466 11 .0053 15-7-5 .6481 .6403
12 Northeastern 48 .5454 12 .0026 15-8-2 .6400 .6496
13 Maine 46 .5431 13 .0059 15-9-4 .6071 .6349
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac 46 .5421 14 .0034 17-9-2 .6429 .6591
15 Ohio State 45 .5401 15 .0020 16-10-4 .6000 .5993
16 Providence 44 .5352 17 .0058 14-9-5 .5893 .5804[/u][/b]
17 Bemidji State 43 .5366 16 .0022 16-8-4 .6429 .6489
18 Western Michigan41 .5328 18 .0031 14-10-4 .5714 .5667
[b][u]19 Northrn Michigan40 .5319 19 .0023 16-10-4 .6000 .6014
20 Michigan State 40 .5310 20 .0033 14-13-1 .5179 .5182
21 Harvard 39 .5301 21 .0037 11-7-4 .5909 .5973[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: Division I Men[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 North Dakota 963.6 .8800 2 21-3-3 0.8333 5.000 3 192.7
2 Minnesota State 898.1 .8727 1 26-4-2 0.8438 5.400 10 166.3
[b][u]3 Cornell 531.2 .8080 3 17-2-4 0.8261 4.750 28 111.8[/u][/b]
4 Denver 441.1 .7807 5 17-6-5 0.6964 2.294 4 192.3
5 Minnesota Duluth393.4 .7627 12 17-9-2 0.6429 1.800 1 218.5
6 Boston College 269.9 .6980 8 16-8-1 0.6600 1.941 17 139.0
7 Penn State 267.6 .6964 10 18-9-3 0.6500 1.857 16 144.1
[b][u]8 Clarkson 247.6 .6821 4 20-6-2 0.7500 3.000 42 82.53
9 Ohio State 236.1 .6732 17 16-10-4 0.6000 1.500 13 157.4[/u][/b]
10 Bemidji State 232.5 .6703 12 16-8-4 0.6429 1.800 20 129.2
11 Massachusetts 232.4 .6702 9 18-9-2 0.6552 1.900 21 122.3
12 Arizona State 231.3 .6693 7 20-9-3 0.6719 2.048 27 113.0
13 Western Michigan219.6 .6594 22 14-10-4 0.5714 1.333 11 164.7
14 Minnesota 215.2 .6555 26 13-11-4 0.5357 1.154 6 186.5
[b][u]15 Northrn Michigan201.6 .6429 17 16-10-4 0.6000 1.500 19 134.4
16 Michigan State 200.3 .6416 31 14-13-1 0.5179 1.074 5 186.5[/u][/b]
17 Northeastern 195.2 .6365 15 15-8-2 0.6400 1.778 31 109.8
18 UMass Lowell 191.6 .6329 11 15-7-5 0.6481 1.842 33 104.0
19 Michigan 181.2 .6218 31 13-12-3 0.5179 1.074 7 168.7
[b][u]20 Quinnipiac 176.2 .6162 12 17-9-2 0.6429 1.800 36 97.89[/u][/b]
21 Notre Dame 175.2 .6151 31 12-11-5 0.5179 1.074 12 163.1
[b][u]22 Providence 175.1 .6150 20 14-9-5 0.5893 1.435 22 122.0[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 10, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (11) 21-1-3 145 2[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin (4) 26-3-1 135 1
3 Northeastern 25-3-1 120 3
4 Minnesota 23-5-3 110 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 19-4-1 84 6[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 17-8-5 64 5
[b][u]6 Clarkson 20-4-6 64 7[/u][/b]
8 Minnesota Duluth 15-9-4 46 9
9 Boston University 20-6-3 41 8
[b][u]10 Harvard 13-10-1 7 10
10 Quinnipiac 17-10-3 7 NR[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 2
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 Wisconsin 40 26-3-1 0.8833 2 0.6683* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 39 21-1-3 0.9000 1 0.6659* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 23-5-3 0.7903 5 0.6442* 3
4 Northeastern 37 25-3-1 0.8793 3 0.6412* 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 36 19-4-1 0.8125 4 0.6156* 5
6 Ohio State 35 17-8-5 0.6500 8 0.6045 6
7 Clarkson 34 20-4-6 0.7667 6 0.5894* 7[/u][/b]
8 Minnesota Duluth33 15-9-4 0.6071 12 0.5838 8
9 Boston Univer 32 20-6-3 0.7414 7 0.5779* 9
[b][u]10 Harvard 31 13-10-1 0.5625 15 0.5468* 10
11 Quinnipiac 30 17-10-3 0.6167 11 0.5455* 11
12 Robert Morris 29 16-9-3 0.6250 10 0.5374* 12
13 Colgate 28 14-12-6 0.5312 20 0.5371* 13[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Wisconsin 4447. .9338 2 26-3-1 0.8833 7.571 4 587.4
[b][u]2 Cornell 3188. .9127 1 21-1-3 0.9000 9.000 6 354.2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 2759. .9024 5 23-5-3 0.7903 3.769 2 732.0
[b][u]4 Ohio State 1454. .8481 8 17-8-5 0.6500 1.857 1 782.9[/u][/b]
5 Northeastern 1284. .8359 3 25-3-1 0.8793 7.286 13 176.3
[b][u]6 Princeton 1239. .8323 4 19-4-1 0.8125 4.333 10 285.8[/u][/b]
7 Minnesota Duluth 989.7 .8087 12 15-9-4 0.6071 1.545 3 640.4
[b][u]8 Clarkson 710.7 .7709 6 20-4-6 0.7667 3.286 12 216.3[/u][/b]
9 Bemidji State 435.0 .7087 24 14-15-3 0.4844 0.939 5 463.0
10 Boston University398.0 .6968 7 20-6-3 0.7414 2.867 17 138.8
[b][u]11 Harvard 367.7 .6860 15 13-10-1 0.5625 1.286 9 286.0
12 Colgate 304.0 .6596 20 14-12-6 0.5312 1.133 11 268.2
13 Quinnipiac 281.0 .6485 11 17-10-3 0.6167 1.609 14 174.7[/u][/b]
14 Minnesota State 258.5 .6366 27 11-15-5 0.4355 0.771 7 335.1
[b][u]15 Robert Morris 252.0 .6330 10 16-9-3 0.6250 1.667 16 151.2[/u][/b]
A good year to enjoy Cornell hockey in all of its forms.
Did you say "Hockey in all of its forms"?
Jughead- The Hockey Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu0NIBAUz5w
Good questions deserve good answers. I visit this site to read facts and opinions about Cornell hockey games, preferably written in English. Beyond what's revealed in the box score I little enjoy and learn less about Cornell Hockey from charts, graphs, and columns of statistics - but then I'm retired and I don't have to put up with that crap any more.
Quote from: osorojoGood questions deserve good answers. I visit this site to read facts and opinions about Cornell hockey games, preferably written in English. Beyond what's revealed in the box score I little enjoy and learn less about Cornell Hockey from charts, graphs, and columns of statistics - but then I'm retired and I don't have to put up with that crap any more.
But, and this may come as a surprise, you aren't everyone.
Here is a direct message written in English. This is a diverse group. We have all sorts of white males! We post and enjoy in many different ways. Because many of us come from a math background, and are nerds, we also post and masticate many, many columns of statistics. We enjoy this.
If you don't enjoy it, that's fine. Like Wittgenstein, "pass over it in silence." Contribute where and how you wish and take your enjoyment thusly.
tl; dr: I'm sure you're a nice fellow so stop letting that other dick post in your name.
Quote from: osorojoBeyond what's revealed in the box score ...
read a little farther in the box score than "goals" and see if it deepens your understanding of what happened over the course of the 60 minutes or whether it is useful for the predictive value of the event
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojoGood questions deserve good answers. I visit this site to read facts and opinions about Cornell hockey games, preferably written in English. Beyond what's revealed in the box score I little enjoy and learn less about Cornell Hockey from charts, graphs, and columns of statistics - but then I'm retired and I don't have to put up with that crap any more.
But, and this may come as a surprise, you aren't everyone.
Here is a direct message written in English. This is a diverse group. We have all sorts of white males! We post and enjoy in many different ways. Because many of us come from a math background, and are nerds, we also post and masticate many, many columns of statistics. We enjoy this.
If you don't enjoy it, that's fine. Like Wittgenstein, "pass over it in silence." Contribute where and how you wish and take your enjoyment thusly.
tl; dr: I'm sure you're a nice fellow so stop letting that other dick post in your name.
This forum could be far more stats-heavy than it is. There are all sorts of advanced hockey statistics that don't ever make it onto this forum but which give more color to a game and to a team than "shots" and "goals." Statistics help us understand what we're watching on the ice. They reveal team weaknesses and strengths, how teams match up against each other, which players are effective, and more. This is why every NHL front office, and every front office in every major sport for that matter, places a huge emphasis on analytics. Statistics supplements, but does not supplant, what we watch on the ice with our own eyes.
Speaking for myself, but I suspect for many others here as well, I do not know enough about the X's and O's of hockey to confidently assert anything about hockey strategy. I can give my thoughts, but the notion that I know more than a 25-year ultra-successful head coach of my favorite hockey program, or any college hockey coach for that matter, is asinine. However, I (and many others on here) do have an understanding of statistics at least as good as most hockey coaches, and as such analytics is one dimension on which I feel I can offer valuable input.
Wow - you aspire for "valuable?" Way outta my league. I'd settle for being thought to provide mildly interesting or amusing inputs occasionally. :)
Quote from: RobbWow - you aspire for "valuable?" Way outta my league. I'd settle for being thought to provide mildly interesting or amusing inputs occasionally. :)
I'll give you "mildly." Perhaps even "tepidly." I think I'd stop short at "moderately," though. That's a high bar.
Quote from: BearLoverThis forum could be far more stats-heavy than it is. There are all sorts of advanced hockey statistics that don't ever make it onto this forum but which give more color to a game and to a team than "shots" and "goals."
DRINK DEEP TO THE DREGS (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/#adv)!!!
Every time I see "Fenwick" I think of Bill. You still out there, old man?
This actually got me looking at +/- (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team/Cornell/18), which is very good this year for us (as would be expected with even strength dominance).
Cornell +/- leaders:
18 Locke
17 Mitchell
16 Donaldson
15 Green
14 Barron
12 Malott
10 Kaldis
10 Malinski
Betts, Bauld, and Haiskanen are -1, befitting guys who are out there against top lines.
Having forwards rival d-men for the lead despite the difference in ice time impresses me.
You wonder what some of these numbers would be if the PK was operating a bit better.
Quote from: osorojoGood questions deserve good answers. I visit this site to read facts and opinions about Cornell hockey games, preferably written in English. Beyond what's revealed in the box score I little enjoy and learn less about Cornell Hockey from charts, graphs, and columns of statistics - but then I'm retired and I don't have to put up with that crap any more.
Two things I would add to what's already been said:
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- Besides occasionally gaining insights into Cornell hockey, this forum has wonderful, usually intelligent, humor and camaraderie.
- Speaking for myself, the statistics often help me take off my red-colored glasses when comparing Cornell to other teams.
Quote from: upprdeckYou wonder what some of these numbers would be if the PK was operating a bit better.
You're not the only one.
(https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/11/tmq-never-too-early-to-start-taking-a-keen-eye-to-the-upcoming-ncaa-hockey-national-tournament/)
Quote from: USCHOCornell's outstanding first half is protecting the Big Red somewhat from a difficult January in which the team went 3-1-4 – not a horrible stretch, but one that certainly would have done more damage to Cornell's PWR were it not for that first half.
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And I bet Schafer does too:
(https://cornellsun.com/2020/02/09/powered-by-four-goal-1st-period-no-2-mens-hockey-cruises-to-weekend-sweep-over-colgate/)
Quote from: Mike Schafer"Our penalty killing sucked — there's no other adjective to describe it," Schafer said. "We got everything resolved a couple weeks ago, and now we're right back to making the same stupid blunders previously. We gotta get back to work and get the job done because it's just something that pisses me off as a coach that we can't be consistent in our penalty killing."
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::bang::
"Our penalty killing sucked" - Coach Schafer Now THAT's the kind of factual information I prefer about a hockey game. It's crystal clear, without decimal points, and conveys a bit of human emotion without a hint of pseudoscience.
Quote from: SwampyAnd I bet Schafer does too:
(https://cornellsun.com/2020/02/09/powered-by-four-goal-1st-period-no-2-mens-hockey-cruises-to-weekend-sweep-over-colgate/)Quote from: Mike Schafer"Our penalty killing sucked — there's no other adjective to describe it," Schafer said. "We got everything resolved a couple weeks ago, and now we're right back to making the same stupid blunders previously. We gotta get back to work and get the job done because it's just something that pisses me off as a coach that we can't be consistent in our penalty killing."
I very much like Schafer's use of the word "we" in that statement. That show's he's also taking responsibility for the poor PK and not just pointing fingers at the players. Nice!!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RobbWow - you aspire for "valuable?" Way outta my league. I'd settle for being thought to provide mildly interesting or amusing inputs occasionally. :)
I'll give you "mildly." Perhaps even "tepidly." I think I'd stop short at "moderately," though. That's a high bar.
I too suffer from delusions of adequacy
Quote from: upprdeckYou wonder what some of these numbers would be if the PK was operating a bit better.
On a power play, a player gets a minus when his team surrenders a short-handed goal,
but doesn't get a plus if his team scores. On the penalty kill, he gets a plus if his team scores a short-handed goal,
but doesn't get a minus if he surrenders a power-play goal. (ref: http://a.espncdn.com/nhl/columns/hradek_ej/1474603.html )
Quote from: osorojo"Our penalty killing sucked" - Coach Schafer Now THAT's the kind of factual information I prefer about a hockey game. It's crystal clear, without decimal points, and conveys a bit of human emotion without a hint of pseudoscience.
Yes, but it sucked to the Nth degree.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: SwampyAnd I bet Schafer does too:
(https://cornellsun.com/2020/02/09/powered-by-four-goal-1st-period-no-2-mens-hockey-cruises-to-weekend-sweep-over-colgate/)Quote from: Mike Schafer"Our penalty killing sucked — there's no other adjective to describe it," Schafer said. "We got everything resolved a couple weeks ago, and now we're right back to making the same stupid blunders previously. We gotta get back to work and get the job done because it's just something that pisses me off as a coach that we can't be consistent in our penalty killing."
I very much like Schafer's use of the word "we" in that statement. That show's he's also taking responsibility for the poor PK and not just pointing fingers at the players. Nice!!
Ultimately a team's performance depends on the coach. The coach's recruiting is responsible for the talent on the team, and the talent's performance depends on the coach's ability to get the most out of that talent.
Last year we had one of the best PK's in the country, but this year with more depth and fewer injuries we have one of the worst. Same coach, better personnel situation, worse results. It's hard to understand why.
This coming week will be a palpable test of Mike and the rest of the staff's coaching ability. We'll see the proof in next weekend's pudding. Let's hope the problem can be solved in just one week.
But the quotation in redice's signature makes me wonder. If faced with a team like this, one with talent that clearly makes it a potential NC but a PK that sucks, WWND?
Any thoughts?
fix your tags, savages
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: rediceQuote from: SwampyAnd I bet Schafer does too:
(https://cornellsun.com/2020/02/09/powered-by-four-goal-1st-period-no-2-mens-hockey-cruises-to-weekend-sweep-over-colgate/)Quote from: Mike Schafer"Our penalty killing sucked — there's no other adjective to describe it," Schafer said. "We got everything resolved a couple weeks ago, and now we're right back to making the same stupid blunders previously. We gotta get back to work and get the job done because it's just something that pisses me off as a coach that we can't be consistent in our penalty killing."
I very much like Schafer's use of the word "we" in that statement. That show's he's also taking responsibility for the poor PK and not just pointing fingers at the players. Nice!!
Ultimately a team's performance depends on the coach. The coach's recruiting is responsible for the talent on the team, and the talent's performance depends on the coach's ability to get the most out of that talent.
Last year we had one of the best PK's in the country, but this year with more depth and fewer injuries we have one of the worst. Same coach, better personnel situation, worse results. It's hard to understand why.
This coming week will be a palpable test of Mike and the rest of the staff's coaching ability. We'll see the proof in next weekend's pudding. Let's hope the problem can be solved in just one week.
But the quotation in redice's signature makes me wonder. If faced with a team like this, one with talent that clearly makes it a potential NC but a PK that sucks, WWND?
Any thoughts?
I agree whole-heartedly! But, not all coaches bear responsibility for the negative side of their team's performance... You'll hear those types say: "We" when their teams are good things and "They" when the team is is not. I don't consider those to be good coaches.
I suspect the most successful coaches use the word "you" rather than "we" when ascribing blame. Nobody wants to share the blame for someone else's mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't have the numbers/statistics to defend this claim.
Quote from: osorojoI suspect the most successful coaches use the word "you" rather than "we" when ascribing blame. Nobody wants to share the blame for someone else's mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't have the numbers/statistics to defend this claim.
So, the assumption here is that you don't consider Schafer to be successful?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverThis forum could be far more stats-heavy than it is. There are all sorts of advanced hockey statistics that don't ever make it onto this forum but which give more color to a game and to a team than "shots" and "goals."
DRINK DEEP TO THE DREGS (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/#adv)!!!
Every time I see "Fenwick" I think of Bill. You still out there, old man?
Yup, still kicking, though I don't get to the rink anywhere near as often as I used to (life is what happens when you're busy making other plans, etc.)
And as far as the stat goes, no relation unfortunately. Nor the fishing rod guys.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: osorojoI suspect the most successful coaches use the word "you" rather than "we" when ascribing blame. Nobody wants to share the blame for someone else's mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't have the numbers/statistics to defend this claim.
So, the assumption here is that you don't consider Schafer to be successful?
Of course he doesn't, that's how he's sooooo badass! Take that, general consensus!
Quote from: osorojoI suspect the most successful coaches use the word "you" rather than "we" when ascribing blame. Nobody wants to share the blame for someone else's mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't have the numbers/statistics to defend this claim.
Are you nuts? The most successful coaches, managers, bosses, executives, generals, etc etc will do the exact opposite.
Want your people to go to the wall for you? Tell the press that "we" all need to get better to address the problem. Want to alienate them? Tell the press that the assistant coach and the guys on the PK are responsible and that your hands are washed.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: osorojoI suspect the most successful coaches use the word "you" rather than "we" when ascribing blame. Nobody wants to share the blame for someone else's mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't have the numbers/statistics to defend this claim.
Are you nuts? The most successful coaches, managers, bosses, executives, generals, etc etc will do the exact opposite.
Want your people to go to the wall for you? Tell the press that "we" all need to get better to address the problem. Want to alienate them? Tell the press that the assistant coach and the guys on the PK are responsible and that your hands are washed.
+1
Quote from: rediceQuote from: abmarksQuote from: osorojoI suspect the most successful coaches use the word "you" rather than "we" when ascribing blame. Nobody wants to share the blame for someone else's mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't have the numbers/statistics to defend this claim.
Are you nuts? The most successful coaches, managers, bosses, executives, generals, etc etc will do the exact opposite.
Want your people to go to the wall for you? Tell the press that "we" all need to get better to address the problem. Want to alienate them? Tell the press that the assistant coach and the guys on the PK are responsible and that your hands are washed.
+1
On 2/11 I asked, WWND? To date, no body has taken up this question. It's disappointing when I see exchanges like the one above, because I think asking WWND? could shed considerable light on such debates.
I take responsibility for this because I assumed people would know what "WWND" stands for. Now I'm not so sure.
So, for those who didn't get it, "WWND" stands for "What would Ned do?" In this particular context, I was asking what would Ned do with an extremely talented and experienced team that sucked on the PK?
Asking how someone would do, when he was perhaps the greatest coach in Cornell athletics history (high praise indeed, given we've had the likes of Pop Warner), and maybe in all of college team sports history, could be very insightful. I know some of you actually played for Ned. So asking what he would do is not an idle question.
For example, would he require the team to show up at 5 AM to skate sprints after giving up 4 PK goals over the weekend? Would he have them stay late to practice the PK? Would he have them watch film and then ask, "OK, Song, tell Barron what he did wrong on that play!"
I know as a coach of youth lacrosse and soccer, I would notice and write down things during games. (We didn't use film, although I've seen that.) Then at practice, if I hadn't taught them about similar situations, we'd practice how to handle them. If I had taught them, or if we'd covered similar issues, I'd ask the players what else we could have done. And then we'd practice fixing our mistakes.
But that's just me, at a much lower level. I'd be interested in really discussing what a coach of Harkness's caliber would do in Mike's situation. E.g., does anyone know (or even remember) if he used "we" or "you" in such situations?
Talk among yourselves.
I'm going to take a guess and speculate that some may not have read your mind and known that "WWND" meant "What Would Ned Do".....
That's the problem with the use of acronyms.... Just sayin......
Quote from: Swampy... So, for those who didn't get it, "WWND" stands for "What would Ned do?" In this particular context, I was asking what would Ned do with an extremely talented and experienced team that sucked on the PK? ...
For example, would he require the team to show up at 5 AM to skate sprints after giving up 4 PK goals over the weekend? Would he have them stay late to practice the PK? Would he have them watch film and then ask, "OK, Song, tell Barron what he did wrong on that play!"
first of all, this team is VERY frosh/soph dependent, despite having some very talented upperclassmen. second of all, i don't think the modern NCAA (or the school) would allow you to pull shit like brutal 5am practices. the team is weak on the PK and spends too much time alternating between stagnant and unlucky on the PP but if the practices are being devoted to absolutely stifling even strength play it seems to be netting out pretty well EVEN THOUGH I would like to see the special teams improve a lot.
Quote from: rediceI'm going to take a guess and speculate that some may not have read your mind and known that "WWND" meant "What Would Ned Do".....
That's the problem with the use of acronyms.... Just sayin......
if you didn't grasp the acronym because you aren't familiar with WWJD, I can accept that. if you knew WWJD but didn't substitute in Ned, what are you even doing here?
Well, I do remember hearing stories of how Ned would have his teams run or skate sprints after a particularly bad outing, albeit maybe not at 5 AM. And maybe what I heard was just rumor.
And yes, we're heavy with underclassmen, although it's becoming somewhat of a cliché to say that by mid-season there are no rookies.
Still, this begs the question of how an expert coach would take this team from where it was this past weekend to where it needs to be to continue playing into April.
Quote from: SwampyWell, I do remember hearing stories of how Ned would have his teams run or skate sprints after a particularly bad outing, albeit maybe not at 5 AM. And maybe what I heard was just rumor.
And yes, we're heavy with underclassmen, although it's becoming somewhat of a cliché to say that by mid-season there are no rookies.
Still, this begs the question of how an expert coach would take this team from where it was this past weekend to where it needs to be to continue playing into April.
Health
Conditioning
Fundamentals
Luck
Quote from: SwampyI know some of you actually played for Ned. So asking what he would do is not an idle question.
Talk among yourselves.
OK I'll bite. Lacrosse experience only. Ned would most frequently run us for conditioning reasons. Remember his RPI hockey national championship was won with a very small squad so conditioning was a major thing for him. He would do it for lack of effort, but not for poor execution. For that he would most commonly devote whole practices to man down or EMO or whatever the issue was. Ned was also not reluctant to sit guys and promote the bench in those situations. For that, I was grateful. Only minutes I ever saw.::blush::
Anyone else think our PP plays as if the only shots allowed are from the slot after a pass from the point to a low wing and then fed to center?
Quote from: SwampyI know as a coach of youth lacrosse and soccer, I would notice and write down things during games. (We didn't use film, although I've seen that.) Then at practice, if I hadn't taught them about similar situations, we'd practice how to handle them. If I had taught them, or if we'd covered similar issues, I'd ask the players what else we could have done. And then we'd practice fixing our mistakes.
But that's just me, at a much lower level. I'd be interested in really discussing what a coach of Harkness's caliber would do in Mike's situation. E.g., does anyone know (or even remember) if he used "we" or "you" in such situations?
I love how you make it sound like Mike Schafer hasn't been doing this for 25 years, and hasn't had a perennial top 5 national PK all those years.
I have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
BTW - we discuss this issue fairly extensively on our podcast this week - if you care to listen ...
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ontheair/
you only get so many hrs to practice these days cant spend it all on the ice working on this one thing
Quote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
I can't stop laughing at the idea that Schafer coming out and saying "the PK problems are all Cody Haiskenen's fault. He's a real asshole and everyone hates him" would be real leadership.
Haiskenen was the first name that came to mind. I don't think this is his fault.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
I can't stop laughing at the idea that Schafer coming out and saying "the PK problems are all Cody Haiskenen's fault. He's a real asshole and everyone hates him" would be real leadership.
Haiskenen was the first name that came to mind. I don't think this is his fault.
There's also a difference between what you say in public (to the media) and what you say in private (in practice, to the team or specific players). If someone has massively screwed up, they already know, so attempt to lynch them in public is not really going to make things better.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: DafatoneQuote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
I can't stop laughing at the idea that Schafer coming out and saying "the PK problems are all Cody Haiskenen's fault. He's a real asshole and everyone hates him" would be real leadership.
Haiskenen was the first name that came to mind. I don't think this is his fault.
There's also a difference between what you say in public (to the media) and what you say in private (in practice, to the team or specific players). If someone has massively screwed up, they already know, so attempt to lynch them in public is not really going to make things better.
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Quote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
this is as if the wall street journal wrote for fortune cookies
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
this is as if the wall street journal wrote for fortune cookies
People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful in bed.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
this is as if the wall street journal wrote for fortune cookies
People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful in bed.
Isn't that a proverb rather than a fortune?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
this is as if the wall street journal wrote for fortune cookies
People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful in bed.
Shouldn't that be hole, not whole?
Quote from: upprdeckyou only get so many hrs to practice these days cant spend it all on the ice working on this one thing
Very true. There were no such limits then.
Quote from: adamwQuote from: SwampyI know as a coach of youth lacrosse and soccer, I would notice and write down things during games. (We didn't use film, although I've seen that.) Then at practice, if I hadn't taught them about similar situations, we'd practice how to handle them. If I had taught them, or if we'd covered similar issues, I'd ask the players what else we could have done. And then we'd practice fixing our mistakes.
But that's just me, at a much lower level. I'd be interested in really discussing what a coach of Harkness's caliber would do in Mike's situation. E.g., does anyone know (or even remember) if he used "we" or "you" in such situations?
I love how you make it sound like Mike Schafer hasn't been doing this for 25 years, and hasn't had a perennial top 5 national PK all those years.
No, I'm certainly not of that impression or trying to give it. This season is an anomaly in that it is the first time since I've been following Mike's teams that the team has top-5 ability and excels in almost all aspects of the game yet in one aspect is often terrible. Mike obviously has tried to address this, and for a time it looked as if he had. Now it's come back. Reading the article quoting him, one gets the feeling he's scratching his head.
As for Schafer vs. Harkness, Schafer is a great coach. But he's still chasing that white whale. Ned, on the other hand, killed that whale at two different schools, four different times, and would have killed a fifth time had NCAA lacrosse been decided by performance on the field rather than by Baltimore votes.
If Ned Harkness were alive and around, I'd be surprised if Mike wouldn't discuss this with him, much the way Cornell lacrosse coaches sometimes chat with Richie Moran. I thought opening the subject this way would bring in people's experiences, with Harkness and other coaches. Looking at the discussion, this was successful.
Harkness will never be bested. For one thing, his record is impossible for Schafer to supercede -- he would literally need something like another 30 years of perfect seasons to top his winning percentage. For another, Harkness coached during a time when there were around 4 nationally- and 8 regionally competitive teams, and everybody else sucked. Schafer has 8 nationally- and 16 regionally-competitive teams to deal with, and even the worst opponents are still competent. Nobody is getting beaten 10-0, let alone 17-0, now, and that would happen frequently during Harkness' era.
But Harkness is also our George Washington, and there is no way to even replicate let alone surpass that.
My wristband reads WWSD, for Schafer. He's the standard for mortal coaches and will be for my lifetime. Less signs of actual dementia, he has earned the proverbial blank check. The statistical likelihood that I have an inkling of a problem he is not aware of is less than the likelihood that I have gone insane and merely imagine I do.
I sat right by the Cornell bench my senior year. If a player made a mistake, Ned would immediately address it with the player very directly explaining what he should have done, then pat in on the back and send him back out for his next shift. How things were handled between games I can't address.
Thanks.For a while I feared that C.U. hockey fans had lost touch with reality - the best part of it!
Jeff: Speaking of "Wholes" I am pleased to see another Cornell hockey fan whose interests go beyond statistics.I was worried the dweebs had completed their conquest.
Quote from: jkahnI sat right by the Cornell bench my senior year. If a player made a mistake, Ned would immediately address it with the player very directly explaining what he should have done, then pat in on the back and send him back out for his next shift. How things were handled between games I can't address.
THIS is how a good coach deals with a player who screws up. Publicly blaming an individual player is not. But during a game, or even during the season, the instruction needs to be something the player can learn and implement: e.g., "don't cross your feet while playing defense" (in lacrosse) or (I would guess) "keep your stick on the ice when defending." Saying something like "you have to be a faster skater (runner)" is not helpful. OTOH, at the end of a season saying to a player, "you need to run stairs and work on your technique over the summer to pick up a couple of steps with your speed" is perfectly appropriate. And for the player who habitually repeats certain mistakes, the bench may get their attention. And if, during practices or stints in games against weaker opponents, the player eliminates the mistakes, then that may be their ticket off the bench. But I think the hardest thing must be the player who simply doesn't have the size, speed, quickness, skill, or whatever to stand against the other team's best, but who nonetheless is the best player you have to fill the role. In this case, encouragement and teaching may be all a coach can do.
Quote from: osorojoI have worked for people who criticized everyone involved when one person's lack of effort/performance was the proximate cause of failure, and I suspect you have too. They were lousy leaders. I don't parse group leadership into separate styles: one for business, one for sports for example. People who mistake the whole for the part are seldom successful.
You are proving my point for me in a bunch of ways.
-this isnt related to my point precisely, but you are taking a personal example and generalizing it in unsound ways.
Further, take your example above where everyone in the room knows that Joe Smith is the precise weak link. If JS really is the weak link, predictably so, and not redeemable or trainable, etc, then the boss is a shitty leader for not firing the weak link in the first place, regardless of how he addresses the group.
(Just as any coach would be a shitty leader if they are putting players on the field or ice in situations where that player doesn't have what it takes to succeed). Replace them or double shift someone else, but don't sink the team because you don't have the balls to do the hard personnel stuff.
Case in point is Belicheck. He gets more out of players that other teams discard than probably any other coach I've ever heard of. Read interviews with any journeyman that stocks with the Pats. To a man they all say that things have worked out better with the Pats because Belicheck figures out what you're good at and then uses you in situations or positions where you have a chance to succeed.
He also cuts guys ruthlessly, and quickly. And if he can't bring in a replacement he figures out who already on the roster can learn a second position-and gets serious production.
Back to the original you versus we:
If the boss tells an assemblage of the entire team that "the X process sucks, it fails too damn much " and as he points and shakes a finger in everyones general direction says "you guys all suck, you fucked up and you're all fuckups, it's your responsibility, get this shit fixed." That boss is an asshole, it'll never get fixed, and noone is going to lift a finger to help the weak link (assuming they don't quit immediately)
However, in the same situation, if the boss says "the X process sucks, it fails too damn much " and then continues by saying "we've got to get better at this. It starts here (pointing to self). You can't just blame this on the players, were all responsible for it, to a man. The coaches are gonna have to coach better, game plan better etc. I'm gonna have to dig deeper b cause at the end of the day I'm responsible for this team. And each of you out there (players) need to look inside yourselves and figure out what you can do to make *this team* better."
Well if he gives that speech, the fucking Marines will charge up over the hill.
Again, Belicheck. The speech I used as an example is, as closely as I can remember, one ive heard him give to the press as well as the team a number of times in recent years. Love or hate the guy as a fan, the results speak for themselves.
If Belicheck is a paragon of coaches Carlo Ponzi is a paragon of investors.
I hate it when a bunch of sissies/socialists say "Everyone gets equal credit and everyone takes equal blame." Heroes and villains, not consortiums and conglomerates, are what make sports and life interesting.
Quote from: osorojoI hate it when a bunch of sissies/socialists say "Everyone gets equal credit and everyone takes equal blame." Heroes and villains, not consortiums and conglomerates, are what make sports and life interesting.
I suspect that, even when a coach says "we", he has, in his mind, players who are more/less problematic. That's why we fans see players come/go from the lineup. It's still a "we" thing in his mind because, if he doesn't make the right lineup changes, in addition to the proper coaching, he's part of that "we" thing. He's part of the problem.. ::deadhorse::
Quote from: osorojosissies/socialists
Do go on.
Nm
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: osorojosissies/socialists
Do go on.
Be nice or he'll threaten to stop compiling spreadsheets.
Christ, I've been out of contact for a couple of days and this is what we've degenerated to?
I have no f 'ing idea how Schafer talks to his team in private. I do know that I've not seen him go after a player in public, but he has sat down prominent players when he felt it was necessary. I also know that we've had coaches that players did not like working under, and Schafer is not one of them.
No one will ever be Harkness again, the time is different and players are different.
I also know that the poor PK must be driving Schafer crazy and it must be something that he thinks about and works with all the time.
I don't know if he'll get it to improve, but I'm sure that he's trying 100+% and that's good enough for me.
I complain about the PK to my friends all the time, but never do I think that the team isn't trying to better it.
Maybe it's bad karma and we won't correct it this season. If so, it will probably will doom our post-season chances and I'll be unhappy again. However I'm sure that Schafer is going to be bothered 10 times more than I am.
As for some of the other things that have been said on this thread, well I'm glad I could read through it once and hopefully now completely forget about it.
I expect Coach Schafer spends more time coaching individual team members about their duties and responsibilities on penalty kills than he devotes to lecturing the entire team, gathered in a circle, about group penalty kills.
Quote from: osorojoI expect Coach Schafer spends more time coaching individual team members about their duties and responsibilities on penalty kills than he devotes to lecturing the entire team, gathered in a circle, about group penalty kills.
everything you say manages to be stupider than the thing you said before. it is impressive.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: osorojoI expect Coach Schafer spends more time coaching individual team members about their duties and responsibilities on penalty kills than he devotes to lecturing the entire team, gathered in a circle, about group penalty kills.
everything you say manages to be stupider than the thing you said before. it is impressive.
Thanks ugarte, saved me from the effort.
He's trolling you guys. You are all biting for it.
Quote from: osorojoIf Belicheck is a paragon of coaches Carlo Ponzi is a paragon of investors.
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USCHO has the women at #1 and men at #2. (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/)
I'll post the whole polling data later.
Quote from: Jim HylaUSCHO has the women at #1 and men at #2. (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/)
I'll post the whole polling data later.
We lost our 1st place vote, and Mankato keeps theirs, preventing ND from being unanimous.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 17, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (49) 23-3-3 999 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 19-2-4 929 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State (1) 26-4-2 910 3
4 Minnesota Duluth 17-9-2 833 4
[b][u]5 Clarkson 22-6-2 786 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 19-8-1 754 7
7 Denver 17-8-5 684 6
8 Massachusetts 18-9-2 664 8
9 Arizona State 22-9-3 545 10
10 Northeastern 17-8-3 543 12
11 Penn State 19-10-3 528 9
12 Ohio State 16-10-4 396 13
13 Bemidji State 18-8-4 374 16
14 UMass Lowell 15-9-5 342 11
15 Providence 15-9-6 327 14
[b][u]16 Quinnipiac 18-10-2 259 15[/u][/b]
17 Maine 16-10-4 190 17
18 Minnesota 14-11-5 123 NR
19 Western Michigan 15-10-5 103 NR
[b][u]20 Harvard 11-8-6 53 18[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: AIC 43, Michigan 32, Sacred Heart 21,
Northern Michigan 18, Boston University 15,
Michigan State 14, Notre Dame 12, Bowling Green 3
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
February 17, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University of North Dakota 510 (34) 1 23-3-3 17
[b][u]2 Cornell University 458 2 19-2-4 20[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State University 452 3 26-4-2 20
4 University of Minnesota Duluth 398 4 17-9-2 20
5 Boston College 352 6 19-8-1 18
[b][u]6 Clarkson University 344 7 22-6-2 20[/u][/b]
7 University of Denver 300 5 17-8-5 20
8 University of Massachusetts 272 8 18-9-2 20
9 Arizona State University 206 10 22-9-3 8
10 Northeastern University 199 12 17-8-3 20
10 Penn State University 199 9 19-10-3 20
12 Ohio State University 113 13 16-10-4 20
13 Bemidji State University 85 NR 18-8-4 1
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac University 50 15 18-10-2 5[/u][/b]
15 University Massachusetts Lowell 48 11 15-9-5 9
Others receiving votes: University of Maine 30, University of Minnesota 21,
Providence College 20, Western Michigan University 17, [b][u]Harvard University 4[/u][/b],
American International University 2.
[b]NCAA Tournament
Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6312 1 .0119 23-3-3 .8448 .8519
2 Minnesota State 58 .6061 2 .0076 26-4-2 .8438 .8375
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .5946 3 .0030 19-2-4 .8400 .8484[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota-Duluth56 .5735 4 .0085 17-9-2 .6429 .6377
5 Denver 55 .5685 5 .0064 17-8-5 .6500 .6531
6 Boston College 54 .5675 6 .0032 19-8-1 .6964 .6952
[b][u]7 Clarkson 53 .5585 7 .0015 22-6-2 .7667 .7632[/u][/b]
8 Massachusetts 52 .5569 8 .0052 18-9-2 .6552 .6597
9 Northeastern 51 .5520 9 .0026 17-8-3 .6607 .6705
10 Penn State 50 .5519 10 .0031 19-10-3 .6406 .6352
11 Arizona State 49 .5499 11 .0031 22-9-3 .6912 .6982
12 Bemidji State 47 .5448 12 .0020 18-8-4 .6667 .6783
[b][u]13 Ohio State 47 .5399 13 .0028 16-10-4 .6000 .5993[/u][/b]
14 Maine 46 .5376 14 .0050 16-10-4 .6000 .6176
15 Mass.-Lowell 45 .5371 15 .0050 15-9-5 .6034 .5973
16 Minnesota 45 .5366 16 .0022 14-11-5 .5500 .5364
17 Western Michigan42 .5366 17 .0028 15-10-5 .5833 .5856
[b][u]18 Quinnipiac 42 .5353 18 .0030 18-10-2 .6333 .6408
19 Providence 41 .5343 19 .0050 15-9-6 .6000 .5974[/u][/b]
20 Michigan 39 .5285 20 .0042 14-12-3 .5345 .5315
[b][u]21 Michigan State 38 .5256 21 .0040 14-14-1 .5000 .4965[/u][/b]
22 Boston Univer 37 .5239 22 .0039 12-9-8 .5517 .5468
23 Notre Dame 37 .5219 23 .0060 12-12-6 .5000 .4865
[b][u]24 Northrn Michigan36 .5211 24 .0020 16-12-4 .5625 .5563
25 Harvard 35 .5188 25 .0028 11-8-6 .5600 .5586[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: Division I Men[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 North Dakota 1182. .8977 1 23-3-3 0.8448 5.444 3 217.2
2 Minnesota State 940.7 .8757 2 26-4-2 0.8438 5.400 8 174.2
[b][u]3 Cornell 536.6 .8076 3 19-2-4 0.8400 5.250 33 102.2[/u][/b]
4 Denver 417.8 .7706 10 17-8-5 0.6500 1.857 1 225.0
5 Minnesota Duluth401.9 .7644 12 17-9-2 0.6429 1.800 2 223.3
6 Boston College 295.4 .7128 5 19-8-1 0.6964 2.294 20 128.7
7 Bemidji State 282.6 .7049 7 18-8-4 0.6667 2.000 17 141.3
[b][u]8 Clarkson 279.7 .7030 4 22-6-2 0.7667 3.286 41 85.12[/u][/b]
9 Penn State 253.1 .6849 13 19-10-3 0.6406 1.783 16 142.0
[b][u]10 Ohio State 239.3 .6745 17 16-10-4 0.6000 1.500 13 159.6[/u][/b]
11 Arizona State 237.8 .6733 6 22-9-3 0.6912 2.238 31 106.3
12 Massachusetts 235.6 .6716 9 18-9-2 0.6552 1.900 21 124.0
13 Minnesota 234.3 .6705 27 14-11-5 0.5500 1.222 5 191.7
14 Western Michigan225.4 .6632 22 15-10-5 0.5833 1.400 12 161.0
15 Northeastern 220.0 .6586 8 17-8-3 0.6607 1.947 26 113.0
16 Michigan 197.0 .6373 28 14-12-3 0.5345 1.148 10 171.6
[b][u]17 Michigan State 189.5 .6297 33 14-14-1 0.5000 1.000 6 189.5
18 Northrn Michigan177.7 .6170 23 16-12-4 0.5625 1.286 18 138.2[/u][/b]
[b][u]19 Providence 170.0 .6082 17 15-9-6 0.6000 1.500 25 113.3[/u][/b]
20 Notre Dame 169.9 .6081 33 12-12-6 0.5000 1.000 11 169.9
21 UMass Lowell 166.4 .6040 16 15-9-5 0.6034 1.522 28 109.4
[b][u]22 Quinnipiac 164.7 .6019 14 18-10-2 0.6333 1.727 38 95.37[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 17, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (15) 23-1-3 150 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 26-4-2 129 2
3 Northeastern 26-4-2 113 3
3 Minnesota 23-5-3 113 4
5 Ohio State 18-8-6 95 6
[b][u]6 Princeton 20-5-1 67 5
7 Clarkson 21-5-6 61 6[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 22-6-4 41 9
9 Minnesota Duluth 16-9-5 39 8
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 18-11-3 11 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 5[/u][/b], Providence 1
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 40 23-1-3 0.9074 1 0.6657* 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 39 26-4-2 0.8438 2 0.6520* 2
3 Minnesota 38 23-5-3 0.7903 4 0.6406* 3
4 Northeastern 37 26-4-2 0.8438 2 0.6289* 4
[b][u]5 Ohio State 36 18-8-6 0.6562 8 0.6108 5
6 Princeton 35 20-5-1 0.7885 5 0.6064* 6
7 Clarkson 34 21-5-6 0.7500 6 0.5870* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 22-6-4 0.7500 6 0.5842* 8
9 Minnesota Duluth32 16-9-5 0.6167 10 0.5812 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 31 18-11-3 0.6094 12 0.5463* 10
11 Harvard 30 15-11-1 0.5741 14 0.5426* 11
12 Colgate 29 15-13-6 0.5294 20 0.5333* 12[/u][/b]
13 Boston College 28 16-13-3 0.5469 18 0.5320 13
14 Providence 27 16-12-4 0.5625 16 0.5306 14
[b][u]15 Mercyhurst 26 16-9-5 0.6167 10 0.5299 15[/u][/b]
[b][u]16 Robert Morris 25 16-10-4 0.6000 13 0.5287* 16[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
[b][u]1 Cornell 3018. .9169 1 23-1-3 0.9074 9.800 7 308.0[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 2950. .9153 2 26-4-2 0.8438 5.400 4 546.2
3 Minnesota 2382. .8996 4 23-5-3 0.7903 3.769 2 632.0
[b][u]4 Ohio State 1486. .8590 8 18-8-6 0.6562 1.909 1 778.1
5 Princeton 976.0 .8160 5 20-5-1 0.7885 3.727 9 261.9[/u][/b]
6 Northeastern 939.2 .8117 2 26-4-2 0.8438 5.400 14 173.9
7 Minnesota Duluth886.2 .8051 10 16-9-5 0.6167 1.609 3 550.9
[b][u]8 Clarkson 647.3 .7677 6 21-5-6 0.7500 3.000 12 215.8[/u][/b]
9 Boston Univer 445.9 .7190 6 22-6-4 0.7500 3.000 17 148.6
10 Bemidji State 360.6 .6896 24 15-16-3 0.4853 0.943 5 382.5
[b][u]11 Harvard 302.7 .6645 14 15-11-1 0.5741 1.348 11 224.6
12 Quinnipiac 277.7 .6519 12 18-11-3 0.6094 1.560 13 178.0
13 Colgate 262.2 .6435 20 15-13-6 0.5294 1.125 10 233.1[/u][/b]
14 Minnesota State 244.9 .6335 28 11-16-6 0.4242 0.737 6 332.4
[b][u]15 Robert Morris 203.8 .6061 13 16-10-4 0.6000 1.500 19 135.9[/u][/b]
16 Boston College 196.8 .6008 18 16-13-3 0.5469 1.207 15 163.0
[b][u]17 Yale 192.6 .5976 17 15-12-0 0.5556 1.250 16 154.1[/u][/b]
18 Providence 185.1 .5916 16 16-12-4 0.5625 1.286 18 143.9
[b][u]19 Mercyhurst 175.0 .5832 10 16-9-5 0.6167 1.609 23 108.8
20 St. Lawrence 125.5 .5334 25 12-13-7 0.4844 0.939 20 133.6[/u][/b]
Nice to see the women pick up all first place votes. Go ladies!!
Quote from: KenPNice to see the women pick up all first place votes. Go ladies!!
Interesting to look at the SOS numbers differentiated by East vs. West. Cornell has the highest SOS among Eastern schools in the KRACH top-20, but every Western team has a higher SOS than CU, most by a very large margin.
I'm reminded of the former 4-team ACC in lacrosse, where they could really pad the SOS metric by just playing each other so often.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: KenPNice to see the women pick up all first place votes. Go ladies!!
Interesting to look at the SOS numbers differentiated by East vs. West. Cornell has the highest SOS among Eastern schools in the KRACH top-20, but every Western team has a higher SOS than CU, most by a very large margin.
I'm reminded of the former 4-team ACC in lacrosse, where they could really pad the SOS metric by just playing each other so often.
If you look at it, the NCHC, WCHA, and Big Ten play each other a lot. A significant portion of that is driven by geography. For the same reason, The Hockey East schools tend to play the ECAC a lot and on a limited basis AHA. So to some extent it is rather "inbred".
Right, but it's not the insularity that creates the disparity in SOS numbers. If you had two insular groups, their average records would both be .500 (within the group). Then, if a single game is played where a random team from group A beats a team from group B, then suddenly KRACH will tell you that every team in A is better than every team in B. There's a little more east-west crossover than that in a hockey season, but the point is that Western teams did well in those crossover games. That makes the Western group look stronger top-to-bottom than the East. Want to reverse the trend? Do better. Win more.
KRACH 2003 vs. KRACH 2020
Is KRACH without SOS basically just winning percentage?
I used this data:
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/krach/
The graphs may be misleading because although Krach & SOS are measured in similar orders of magnitude, their ranges are drastically different. So instead of a stacked bar chart, side-by-side bars with the SOS scale at the right would give a visual impression more reflective of the teams' relative standing. Of course, the visual impression would reflect a tacit linearity in the two scales, but I'm not sure they're linear.
I revised the graphs for Swampy.
I think the graphs show a few things. One, the ECAC teams had relatively low SOS's in 2003. Two, ND and Mankato appear to be especially strong right now. Three, in 2020 the difference between the 6th and 16th teams is a lot smaller now than it was in 2003.
With regard to Cornell's late period play this year, I think the team is playing to the level of its opponents and they are not trying to win 9-0. For Matt, he may be feeling out of the game when he doesn't face a lot of shots and isn't pumped for the entire 60 minutes. I am not part of the team so this is just speculation. In a close game with a strong opponent, I think they would play very differently. We will all see on February 29 and then in March.
The team only has two losses this season. That's impressive.
Quote from: RobbRight, but it's not the insularity that creates the disparity in SOS numbers. If you had two insular groups, their average records would both be .500 (within the group). Then, if a single game is played where a random team from group A beats a team from group B, then suddenly KRACH will tell you that every team in A is better than every team in B. There's a little more east-west crossover than that in a hockey season, but the point is that Western teams did well in those crossover games. That makes the Western group look stronger top-to-bottom than the East. Want to reverse the trend? Do better. Win more.
Agreed on all points. The issue is that the methodology over-emphasizes (IMO) that limited number of cross-over points.
Quote from: SwampyThe graphs may be misleading because although Krach & SOS are measured in similar orders of magnitude, their ranges are drastically different. So instead of a stacked bar chart, side-by-side bars with the SOS scale at the right would give a visual impression more reflective of the teams' relative standing. Of course, the visual impression would reflect a tacit linearity in the two scales, but I'm not sure they're linear.
Agreed. I read the revised graphs and they are still misleading and/or confusing. It's hard to make any obvious visual generations due to the compressed scale of the SOS measure as well as having all schools with the same color.
Would love to see the crotch and SOS on separate graphs, and also perhaps color the bars by the team's league, or one color for each one color for West.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: SwampyThe graphs may be misleading because although Krach & SOS are measured in similar orders of magnitude, their ranges are drastically different. So instead of a stacked bar chart, side-by-side bars with the SOS scale at the right would give a visual impression more reflective of the teams' relative standing. Of course, the visual impression would reflect a tacit linearity in the two scales, but I'm not sure they're linear.
Agreed. I read the revised graphs and they are still misleading and/or confusing. It's hard to make any obvious visual generations due to the compressed scale of the SOS measure as well as having all schools with the same color.
Would love to see the crotch and SOS on separate graphs, and also perhaps color the bars by the team's league, or one color for each one color for West.
He said 'crotch' Heh, heh heh heh
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: SwampyThe graphs may be misleading because although Krach & SOS are measured in similar orders of magnitude, their ranges are drastically different. So instead of a stacked bar chart, side-by-side bars with the SOS scale at the right would give a visual impression more reflective of the teams' relative standing. Of course, the visual impression would reflect a tacit linearity in the two scales, but I'm not sure they're linear.
Agreed. I read the revised graphs and they are still misleading and/or confusing. It's hard to make any obvious visual generations due to the compressed scale of the SOS measure as well as having all schools with the same color.
Would love to see the crotch and SOS on separate graphs, and also perhaps color the bars by the team's league, or one color for each one color for West.
Halftime show notwithstanding.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: SwampyThe graphs may be misleading because although Krach & SOS are measured in similar orders of magnitude, their ranges are drastically different. So instead of a stacked bar chart, side-by-side bars with the SOS scale at the right would give a visual impression more reflective of the teams' relative standing. Of course, the visual impression would reflect a tacit linearity in the two scales, but I'm not sure they're linear.
Agreed. I read the revised graphs and they are still misleading and/or confusing. It's hard to make any obvious visual generations due to the compressed scale of the SOS measure as well as having all schools with the same color.
Would love to see the crotch and SOS on separate graphs, and also perhaps color the bars by the team's league, or one color for each one color for West.
I had in mind having a left scale for Krach ranging from zero to 1200 and a scale on the right for SOS ranging from zero to about 230. Alternatively, and perhaps better, just use % of the maximum and normalize both metrics by converting everything to percentages.
Quote from: SwampyAlternatively, and perhaps better, just us % of the maximum and normalize both metrics by converting everything to percentages.
Thanks ic
From the twO graphs I take away two main points:
[list=1]
- SOS is largely a function of the conference you play in,
- and in 2003 we belonged to the elite top cluster of teams, but this year we are in the second cluster.
Quote from: SwampyThanks ic
From the twO graphs I take away two main points:
[list=1]
- SOS is largely a function of the conference you play in,
Exactly!
Moved this to Bracketology thread. Which is where it belongs.
Quote from: Jim HylaUSCHO: Bracketology: Which bubble teams have a shot at playing for an NCAA hockey national championship? (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/20/bracketology-which-bubble-teams-have-a-shot-at-playing-for-an-ncaa-hockey-national-championship/)
Jayson's
Worcester
1 North Dakota
7 Clarkson
9 Northeastern
16 AIC
Allentown
2 Minnesota State
8 Massachusetts
10 Penn State
15 Minnesota
Albany
3 Cornell
6 Boston College
11 Arizona State
14 Maine
Loveland
4 Minnesota Duluth
5 Denver
12 Bemidji State
13 Ohio State
Jim's
Albany
1 North Dakota
7 Clarkson
9 Northeastern
16 AIC
Allentown
2 Minnesota State
8 Massachusetts
10 Penn State
15 Minnesota
Worcester
3 Cornell
6 Boston College
11 Arizona State
14 Maine
Loveland
4 Minnesota Duluth
5 Denver
12 Bemidji State
13 Ohio State
North Dakota earned a west location - which this year is Loveland. ?
Quote from: martyQuote from: Jim HylaUSCHO: Bracketology: Which bubble teams have a shot at playing for an NCAA hockey national championship? (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/20/bracketology-which-bubble-teams-have-a-shot-at-playing-for-an-ncaa-hockey-national-championship/)
Jayson's
Worcester
1 North Dakota
7 Clarkson
9 Northeastern
16 AIC
Allentown
2 Minnesota State
8 Massachusetts
10 Penn State
15 Minnesota
Albany
3 Cornell
6 Boston College
11 Arizona State
14 Maine
Loveland
4 Minnesota Duluth
5 Denver
12 Bemidji State
13 Ohio State
Jim's
Albany
1 North Dakota
7 Clarkson
9 Northeastern
16 AIC
Allentown
2 Minnesota State
8 Massachusetts
10 Penn State
15 Minnesota
Worcester
3 Cornell
6 Boston College
11 Arizona State
14 Maine
Loveland
4 Minnesota Duluth
5 Denver
12 Bemidji State
13 Ohio State
North Dakota earned a west location - which this year is Loveland. ?
Moved my listing to Bracketology thread. Which is where it belongs.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 NCAA hockey teams fared, Feb. 21-22 By USCHO Staff - (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/23/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-ncaa-hockey-teams-fared-feb-21-22/)
No. 1 North Dakota (23-4-4)
02/21/2020 – No. 1 North Dakota 3 at St. Cloud State 3 (OT)
02/22/2020 – No. 1 North Dakota 1 at St. Cloud State 2
No. 2 Cornell (21-2-4)
02/21/2020 – No. 2 Cornell 4 at Yale 0
02/22/2020 – No. 2 Cornell 3 at Brown 0
No. 3 Minnesota State (28-4-2)
02/21/2020 – Alabama Huntsville 0 at No. 3 Minnesota State 10
02/22/2020 – Alabama Huntsville 0 at No. 3 Minnesota State 8
No. 4 Minnesota Duluth (18-10-2)
02/21/2020 – No. 4 Minnesota Duluth 3 at No. 19 Western Michigan 5
02/22/2020 – No. 4 Minnesota Duluth 2 at No. 19 Western Michigan 1
No. 5 Clarkson (23-7-2)
02/21/2020 – No. 20 Harvard 5 at No. 5 Clarkson 2
02/22/2020 – Dartmouth 0 at No. 5 Clarkson 4
No. 6 Boston College (21-8-1)
02/20/2020 – No. 6 Boston College 3 at No. 10 Northeastern 2
02/21/2020 – No. 10 Northeastern 1 at No. 6 Boston College 10
No. 7 Denver (19-8-5)
02/21/2020 – Miami 3 at No. 7 Denver 7
02/22/2020 – Miami 0 at No. 7 Denver 7
No. 8 Massachusetts (19-10-2)
02/21/2020 – No. 8 Massachusetts 2 at No. 14 UMass Lowell 3
02/22/2020 – No. 14 UMass Lowell 3 at No. 8 Massachusetts 5
No. 9 Arizona State (22-11-3)
02/21/2020 – No. 9 Arizona State 6 at Wisconsin 7
02/22/2020 – No. 9 Arizona State 2 at Wisconsin 6
No. 10 Northeastern (17-10-3)
02/20/2020 – No. 6 Boston College 3 at No. 10 Northeastern 2
02/21/2020 – No. 10 Northeastern 1 at No. 6 Boston College 10
No. 11 Penn State (20-10-4)
02/21/2020 – No. 18 Minnesota 3 at No. 11 Penn State 3 (OT)
02/22/2020 – No. 18 Minnesota 2 at No. 11 Penn State 3
No. 12 Ohio State (18-10-4)
02/21/2020 – No. 12 Ohio State 1 at RV Michigan State 0
02/22/2020 – No. 12 Ohio State 4 at RV Michigan State 2
No. 13 Bemidji State (19-8-5)
02/21/2020 – No. 13 Bemidji State 4 at Alaska Anchorage 1
02/22/2020 – No. 13 Bemidji State 2 at Alaska Anchorage 2 (OT)
No. 14 UMass Lowell (16-10-5)
02/21/2020 – No. 8 Massachusetts 2 at No. 14 UMass Lowell 3
02/22/2020 – No. 14 UMass Lowell 3 at No. 8 Massachusetts 5
No. 15 Providence (15-11-6)
02/21/2020 – Merrimack 2 at No. 15 Providence 0
02/22/2020 – No. 15 Providence 2 at Merrimack 3
No. 16 Quinnipiac (19-11-2)
02/21/2020 – No. 16 Quinnipiac 0 at Rensselaer 4
02/22/2020 – No. 16 Quinnipiac 3 at Union 2 (OT)
No. 17 Maine (17-10-5)
02/21/2020 – Vermont 1 at No. 17 Maine 6
02/22/2020 – Vermont 0 at No. 17 Maine 0 (OT)
No. 18 Minnesota (14-12-6)
02/21/2020 – No. 18 Minnesota 3 at No. 11 Penn State 3 (OT)
02/22/2020 – No. 18 Minnesota 2 at No. 11 Penn State 3
No. 19 Western Michigan (16-11-5)
02/21/2020 – No. 4 Minnesota Duluth 3 at No. 19 Western Michigan 5
02/22/2020 – No. 4 Minnesota Duluth 2 at No. 19 Western Michigan 1
No. 20 Harvard (12-9-6)
02/21/2020 – No. 20 Harvard 5 at No. 5 Clarkson 2
02/22/2020 – No. 20 Harvard 3 at St. Lawrence 6
RV = Received Votes
#1
Quote from: ice#1
That's nice. Fun task for historians. How many times has that happened in modern (introduction of the women's tournament) history? Wisconsin won both championships in 2006. Minnesota was strong in both in the early 2000s, and Duluth had both strong in early 2010s.
Anyway. Ultimately meaningless, yes, but there's some pride in it and something to show off to our coworkers.
Quote from: ice#1
According to a tweet from @CornellSports that my daughter forwarded to me, this is the first time both teams have been ranked number one at the same time.
I hope we do everything we can with this while it lasts. If nothing else it's a helluva recruiting theme.
Quote from: RichHUltimately meaningless
(http://www.tbrw.info/images/ceramicDalmatians.jpg)
Fig. 1 "Hey, fuck you too, buddy."
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ice#1
That's nice. Fun task for historians. How many times has that happened in modern (introduction of the women's tournament) history? Wisconsin won both championships in 2006. Minnesota was strong in both in the early 2000s, and Duluth had both strong in early 2010s.
Anyway. Ultimately meaningless, yes, but there's some pride in it and something to show off to our coworkers.
If I show it to my coworker he'll just get pissed. And he's bigger than me and stronger than me and I'll just pass for now on the office talk...
Quote from: TrotskyI hope we do everything we can with this while it lasts. If nothing else it's a helluva recruiting theme.
Personally I'd rather be #2 and try harder.
But people in the office are bringing me newspapers, so it is fun to talk about.
Let's just be sure that SLU is not like Q.
Quote from: Jim HylaPersonally I'd rather be #2 and try harder.
Still number 2 in the USA Today poll, so you've got that...
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: Jim HylaPersonally I'd rather be #2 and try harder.
Still number 2 in the USA Today poll, so you've got that...
And creeping closer to #2 in PWR.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: ice#1
According to a tweet from @CornellSports that my daughter forwarded to me, this is the first time both teams have been ranked number one at the same time.
Not exactly: (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/24/cornell-gets-27-first-place-votes-takes-over-as-no-1-team-in-uscho-com-division-i-mens-poll/)
Quote from: Cornell gets 27 first-place votes, takes over as No. 1 team in USCHO.com Division I Men's PollCornell is No. 1 in both USCHO Division I men's and women's polls. The last time that happened was back on Oct. 27, 2014, when Minnesota was first in both polls.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: ice#1
According to a tweet from @CornellSports that my daughter forwarded to me, this is the first time both teams have been ranked number one at the same time.
Not exactly: (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/24/cornell-gets-27-first-place-votes-takes-over-as-no-1-team-in-uscho-com-division-i-mens-poll/)
Quote from: Cornell gets 27 first-place votes, takes over as No. 1 team in USCHO.com Division I Men's PollCornell is No. 1 in both USCHO Division I men's and women's polls. The last time that happened was back on Oct. 27, 2014, when Minnesota was first in both polls.
i think andy was talking specifically about cornell topping both polls
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: ice#1
According to a tweet from @CornellSports that my daughter forwarded to me, this is the first time both teams have been ranked number one at the same time.
Not exactly: (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/24/cornell-gets-27-first-place-votes-takes-over-as-no-1-team-in-uscho-com-division-i-mens-poll/)
Quote from: Cornell gets 27 first-place votes, takes over as No. 1 team in USCHO.com Division I Men's PollCornell is No. 1 in both USCHO Division I men's and women's polls. The last time that happened was back on Oct. 27, 2014, when Minnesota was first in both polls.
i think andy was talking specifically about cornell topping both polls
Yes. Thank you.
The tweet was a Cornell Sports tweet noting that it was the first time both Cornell hockey teams were at the top of the polls at the same time.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: ice#1
According to a tweet from @CornellSports that my daughter forwarded to me, this is the first time both teams have been ranked number one at the same time.
Not exactly: (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/24/cornell-gets-27-first-place-votes-takes-over-as-no-1-team-in-uscho-com-division-i-mens-poll/)
Quote from: Cornell gets 27 first-place votes, takes over as No. 1 team in USCHO.com Division I Men's PollCornell is No. 1 in both USCHO Division I men's and women's polls. The last time that happened was back on Oct. 27, 2014, when Minnesota was first in both polls.
i think andy was talking specifically about cornell topping both polls
Yes. Thank you.
The tweet was a Cornell Sports tweet noting that it was the first time both Cornell hockey teams were at the top of the polls at the same time.
For all schools that play hockey, I suspect an event like this is rarer than hen's teeth.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: andyw2100Quote from: ice#1
According to a tweet from @CornellSports that my daughter forwarded to me, this is the first time both teams have been ranked number one at the same time.
Not exactly: (https://www.uscho.com/2020/02/24/cornell-gets-27-first-place-votes-takes-over-as-no-1-team-in-uscho-com-division-i-mens-poll/)
Quote from: Cornell gets 27 first-place votes, takes over as No. 1 team in USCHO.com Division I Men's PollCornell is No. 1 in both USCHO Division I men's and women's polls. The last time that happened was back on Oct. 27, 2014, when Minnesota was first in both polls.
i think andy was talking specifically about cornell topping both polls
Yes. Thank you.
The tweet was a Cornell Sports tweet noting that it was the first time both Cornell hockey teams were at the top of the polls at the same time.
For all schools that play hockey, I suspect an event like this is rarer than hen's teeth.
Agreed. Roughly half (33) of the men's D1 schools have women's teams. And I'd bet that most of them haven't even had a sniff at #1.
Better late than never, I guess.
Anyway I couldn't skip the 2 #1 week.
Soon to be plural, I hope.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 24, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (27) 21-2-4 961 2[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota State (14) 28-4-2 940 3
3 North Dakota (9) 23-4-4 939 1
4 Boston College 21-8-1 833 6
5 Minnesota Duluth 18-10-2 777 4
6 Denver 19-8-5 752 7
[b][u]7 Clarkson 23-7-2 720 5[/u][/b]
8 Massachusetts 19-10-2 625 8
9 Penn State 20-10-4 594 11
10 Ohio State 18-10-4 540 12
11 Bemidji State 19-8-5 471 13
12 UMass Lowell 16-10-5 394 14
13 Northeastern 17-10-3 388 10
14 Arizona State 22-11-3 376 9
15 Maine 17-10-5 240 17
16 Western Michigan 16-11-5 236 19
[b][u]17 Quinnipiac 19-11-2 184 16[/u][/b]
18 Minnesota 14-12-6 136 18
19 Providence 15-11-6 135 15
20 AIC 20-11-1 88 NR
Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 62, [b][u]Harvard 39[/u][/b], St. Cloud 20,
Sacred Heart 16, Michigan 14, Bowling Green 8, Connecticut 6,
Michigan State 2, Omaha 2, Northern Michigan 1, New Hampshire 1
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll February 24, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
1 University of North Dakota 486 (16) 1 23-4-4 18
[b][u]2 Cornell University 471 (12) 2 21-2-4 21[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State University 463 (6) 3 28-4-2 21
4 Boston College 392 5 21-8-1 19
5 University of Minnesota Duluth 372 4 18-10-2 21
6 University of Denver 342 7 19-8-5 21
[b][u]7 Clarkson University 282 6 23-7-2 21[/u][/b]
8 Penn State University 270 10 20-10-4 21
9 University of Massachusetts 255 8 19-10-2 21
10 Ohio State University 219 12 18-10-4 21
11 Bemidji State University 124 13 19-8-5 2
12 Northeastern University 105 10 17-10-3 21
13 Arizona State University 84 9 22-11-3 9
14 Western Michigan University 68 NR 16-11-5 1
15 University Massachusetts Lowell 61 15 16-10-5 10
Others receiving votes: University of Minnesota 32, [b][u]Quinnipiac University 26[/u][/b],
University of Maine 20, University of Notre Dame 4, [b][u]Harvard University 2[/u][/b], St.
Cloud State University 2.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6180 1 .0114 23-4-4 .8065 .8194
2 Minnesota State 58 .6018 2 .0068 28-4-2 .8529 .8452
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .5919 3 .0026 21-2-4 .8519 .8619[/u][/b]
4 Boston College 55 .5752 4 .0047 21-8-1 .7167 .7147
5 Minnesota-Duluth55 .5737 5 .0090 18-10-2 .6333 .6351
6 Denver 55 .5715 6 .0060 19-8-5 .6719 .6710
7 Penn State 53 .5581 7 .0042 20-10-4 .6471 .6369
8 Massachusetts 52 .5536 8 .0042 19-10-2 .6452 .6513
[b][u]9 Ohio State 51 .5525 9 .0032 18-10-4 .6250 .6307
10 Clarkson 50 .5519 10 .0009 23-7-2 .7500 .7407[/u][/b]
11 Bemidji State 48 .5431 11 .0019 19-8-5 .6719 .6883
12 Northeastern 48 .5420 12 .0023 17-10-3 .6167 .6232
13 Arizona State 47 .5393 13 .0028 22-11-3 .6528 .6657
14 Minnesota 46 .5384 15 .0038 14-12-6 .5312 .5250
15 Western Michigan45 .5385 14 .0039 16-11-5 .5781 .5737
16 Mass.-Lowell 44 .5372 16 .0051 16-10-5 .5968 .5924
17 Notre Dame 43 .5367 17 .0068 14-12-6 .5312 .5250
18 Maine 42 .5361 18 .0046 17-10-5 .6094 .6207
[b][u]19 Quinnipiac 41 .5311 19 .0026 19-11-2 .6250 .6382[/u][/b]
20 Michigan 40 .5273 20 .0051 15-14-3 .5156 .5062
[b][u]21 Providence 39 .5232 21 .0047 15-11-6 .5625 .5610[/u][/b]
22 St. Cloud State 38 .5231 22 .0074 12-12-6 .5000 .5034
[b][u]23 Harvard 37 .5188 23 .0036 12-9-6 .5556 .5616
24 Northrn Michigan36 .5172 24 .0019 17-13-4 .5588 .5588[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: Division I Men[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Minnesota State 879.2 .8703 1 28-4-2 0.8529 5.800 15 151.6
2 North Dakota 874.2 .8697 3 23-4-4 0.8065 4.167 3 209.8
[b][u]3 Cornell 529.5 .8073 2 21-2-4 0.8519 5.750 39 92.08[/u][/b]
4 Denver 423.4 .7741 6 19-8-5 0.6719 2.048 5 206.8
5 Minnesota Duluth393.8 .7626 13 18-10-2 0.6333 1.727 1 228.0
6 Boston College 338.6 .7377 5 21-8-1 0.7167 2.529 17 133.9
7 Penn State 289.1 .7102 10 20-10-4 0.6471 1.833 14 157.7
[b][u]8 Ohio State 282.7 .7061 14 18-10-4 0.6250 1.667 11 169.6[/u][/b]
9 Bemidji State 259.6 .6906 6 19-8-5 0.6719 2.048 19 126.8
[b][u]10 Clarkson 250.2 .6838 4 23-7-2 0.7500 3.000 41 83.40[/u][/b]
11 Western Michigan244.5 .6795 20 16-11-5 0.5781 1.370 10 178.4
12 Minnesota 237.7 .6742 28 14-12-6 0.5312 1.133 4 209.8
13 Massachusetts 224.5 .6634 11 19-10-2 0.6452 1.818 21 123.5
14 Notre Dame 212.9 .6532 28 14-12-6 0.5312 1.133 8 187.8
15 Michigan 197.1 .6383 33 15-14-3 0.5156 1.065 9 185.2
16 St. Cloud 192.1 .6332 35 12-12-6 0.5000 1.000 7 192.1
17 Northeastern 189.3 .6303 16 17-10-3 0.6167 1.609 23 117.6
18 Arizona State 188.8 .6298 8 22-11-3 0.6528 1.880 34 100.4
[b][u]19 Michigan State 168.1 .6066 39 14-17-1 0.4531 0.829 6 202.8[/u][/b]
20 UMass Lowell 165.9 .6040 18 16-10-5 0.5968 1.480 25 112.1
21 Omaha 159.1 .5955 37 13-14-5 0.4844 0.939 12 169.3
22 Wisconsin 158.5 .5948 41 13-18-1 0.4219 0.730 2 217.2
[b][u]23 Northrn Michigan158.3 .5945 23 17-13-4 0.5588 1.267 20 125.0[/u][/b]
24 Maine 157.6 .5937 17 17-10-5 0.6094 1.560 33 101.0
25 Bowling Green 149.6 .5830 23 17-13-4 0.5588 1.267 22 118.1
[b][u]26 Quinnipiac 145.5 .5774 14 19-11-2 0.6250 1.667 40 87.32[/u][/b]
27 Michigan Tech 140.9 .5708 25 18-14-3 0.5571 1.258 26 112.0
28 Alaska 139.7 .5691 33 14-13-5 0.5156 1.065 18 131.3
[b][u]29 Providence 133.4 .5597 22 15-11-6 0.5625 1.286 31 103.8
30 Boston Univer 120.7 .5389 31 12-11-8 0.5161 1.067 24 113.1
31 Harvard 116.5 .5316 26 12-9-6 0.5556 1.250 38 93.20[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 24, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (14) 25-1-3 149 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin (1) 27-4-3 135 2
3 Minnesota 25-5-3 114 3
4 Northeastern 28-4-2 112 3
5 Ohio State 20-8-6 89 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 22-5-1 73 6
7 Clarkson 23-5-6 60 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 24-6-4 44 8
9 Minnesota Duluth 16-10-6 34 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 19-12-3 9 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 4[/u][/b], Providence 2
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W%\\ W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 40 25-1-3 0.9138 1 0.6653* 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 39 27-4-3 0.8382 3 0.6518* 2
3 Minnesota 38 25-5-3 0.8030 5 0.6405* 3
4 Northeastern 37 28-4-2 0.8529 2 0.6279* 4
[b][u]5 Ohio State 36 20-8-6 0.6765 8 0.6089 5
6 Princeton 35 22-5-1 0.8036 4 0.6079* 6
7 Clarkson 34 23-5-6 0.7647 6 0.5914* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 24-6-4 0.7647 6 0.5880* 8
9 Minnesota Duluth32 16-10-6 0.5938 13 0.5767 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 31 19-12-3 0.6029 12 0.5404* 10
11 Harvard 30 16-12-1 0.5690 15 0.5403* 11
12 Mercyhurst 29 18-9-5 0.6406 9 0.5366 12
13 Colgate 28 17-13-6 0.5556 16 0.5345* 13[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
[b][u]1 Cornell 3216. .9183 1 25-1-3 0.9138 10.600 8 303.4[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 3050. .9147 3 27-4-3 0.8382 5.182 4 588.6
3 Minnesota 2575. .9025 5 25-5-3 0.8030 4.077 3 631.7
[b][u]4 Ohio State 1576. .8611 8 20-8-6 0.6765 2.091 1 753.7
5 Princeton 1070. .8224 4 22-5-1 0.8036 4.091 9 261.6[/u][/b]
6 Northeastern 956.6 .8102 2 28-4-2 0.8529 5.800 15 164.9
7 Minnesota Duluth924.1 .8063 13 16-10-6 0.5938 1.462 2 632.2
[b][u]8 Clarkson 724.9 .7781 6 23-5-6 0.7647 3.250 11 223.1[/u][/b]
9 Boston Univer 479.8 .7258 6 24-6-4 0.7647 3.250 17 147.6
10 Bemidji State 368.1 .6897 24 15-16-3 0.4853 0.943 5 390.5
[b][u]11 Harvard 308.3 .6647 15 16-12-1 0.5690 1.320 10 233.5
12 Colgate 273.3 .6474 16 17-13-6 0.5556 1.250 12 218.6
13 Quinnipiac 256.1 .6380 12 19-12-3 0.6029 1.519 14 168.7[/u][/b]
14 Minnesota State 241.2 .6292 30 11-18-6 0.4000 0.667 6 361.8
[u][b]15 Robert Morris 220.9 .6164 11 18-10-4 0.6250 1.667 19 132.6
16 Yale 216.3 .6132 17 16-13-0 0.5517 1.231 13 175.8
17 Mercyhurst 197.8 .6000 9 18-9-5 0.6406 1.783 23 111.0[/b][/u]
I'm vexed, terribly vexed, that the Women's team isn't a unanimous number 1. I'd like to know who is the miscreant voting for Wisco.
Quote from: JasonN95I'm vexed, terribly vexed, that the Women's team isn't a unanimous number 1. I'd like to know who is the miscreant voting for Wisco.
Probably Coach Derraugh.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: JasonN95I'm vexed, terribly vexed, that the Women's team isn't a unanimous number 1. I'd like to know who is the miscreant voting for Wisco.
Probably Coach Derraugh.
I withdraw my "miscreant" comment. :-)
I have found a great deal of correlation between ice temperature at a specific point in a game* and the success of certain teams. This information will not come cheap, let alone free, since it's based on physical evidence and hard data.
* it also factors in the amount of rocker and bevel in the skate blades of key skaters.
Quote from: osorojoI have found a great deal of correlation between ice temperature at a specific point in a game* and the success of certain teams. This information will not come cheap, let alone free, since it's based on physical evidence and hard data.
* it also factors in the amount of rocker and bevel in the skate blades of key skaters.
I've always wondered about this possibility, since it seems certain rinks seem to have a hold over us. That said, I find it hard to believe it's not something already measured or somehow taken into consideration.
Quote from: osorojoI have found a great deal of correlation between ice temperature at a specific point in a game* and the success of certain teams. This information will not come cheap, let alone free, since it's based on physical evidence and hard data.
* it also factors in the amount of rocker and bevel in the skate blades of key skaters.
Do tell, how much will it cost us to extract this data from you?
It will take me a couple years to collective data, more time to organize it and assemble it in handy spreadsheets. I'll keep stringent cost records and charge only enough to cover my expenses - paper, ink, hours on the Sunway TaihuLight Computer . . .
Quote from: osorojoI have found a great deal of correlation between ice temperature at a specific point in a game* and the success of certain teams. This information will not come cheap, let alone free, since it's based on physical evidence and hard data.
* it also factors in the amount of rocker and bevel in the skate blades of key skaters.
Red Bear, tell us something we don't already know:
From "The Poison Ivy in the Ivy League," Jan. 2, 1967 (https://www.si.com/vault/1967/01/02/543302/the-poison-ivy-in-the-ivy-league)
Quote from: Sports IllustratedHarkness' boys at RPI tended to be slower than a lot of other teams, and it seemed that whenever a really fast-skating team came up to Troy the arena would get terribly warm, so warm that the ice often became soft and slushy. At RPI they said it was probably only coincidence or a faulty thermostat, but the soft ice did serve wonderfully well to slow fast skaters down to RPI speed. (There were a few smiles visible at rinkside this year when Cornell's fast-skating outfit played its second game of the season against RPI at Troy and Visiting Coach Harkness complained about the excessive heat.)
Quote from: osorojoIt will take me a couple years to collective data, more time to organize it and assemble it in handy spreadsheets. I'll keep stringent cost records and charge only enough to cover my expenses - paper, ink, hours on the Sunway TaihuLight Computer . . .
Oh, gee, I thought that since you found the correlation you must have the data. Isn't that how you find correlation, by examining data?
Nah. The most prolific statisticians assume there's a correlation and then set out to find and select the data which confirms their hypothesis. Ask around.
Quote from: osorojoNah. The most prolific statisticians assume there's a correlation and then set out to find and select the data which confirms their hypothesis. Ask around.
Oh, chef (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WySVFjfHSqs) of the future: Who shall we ask?
Perhaps we should consult with a professor (https://ccrg.rit.edu/~whelan/) in the field. ;-)
Quote from: martyOh, chef (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WySVFjfHSqs) of the future: Who shall we ask?
I'd have gone my whole life without seeing this. Thank you!
"A string of... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbJNyGbFNRo)"
Come on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.
Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.
No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."
Shut it all down.
Please do not feed (https://qz.com/1021205/psychologists-identified-the-kind-of-emotional-intelligence-that-makes-internet-trolls-so-mean/)...
Bag the hysteria. A regrettable portion of what calls itself "statistics" is hogwash, no matter how many decimal places and pages of numbers the vendor of statistical "truth" or even "probability" offers. What percentage of statisticians are filthy rich? Numbers are fun to play with but real life is not a binary exercise.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.
No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."
Yes and no. Not everyone who goes to Vegas expects to win money. Plenty of people, myself included, consider the chase a form of entertainment for which we are comfortable losing a certain amount of money. I'm well aware the odds are not in my favor.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.
No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."
Yes and no. Not everyone who goes to Vegas expects to win money. Plenty of people, myself included, consider the chase a form of entertainment for which we are comfortable losing a certain amount of money. I'm well aware the odds are not in my favor.
I've been to Vegas once. I made a few hundred dollars.
Therefore, probability is a hoax.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.
No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."
Yes and no. Not everyone who goes to Vegas expects to win money. Plenty of people, myself included, consider the chase a form of entertainment for which we are comfortable losing a certain amount of money. I'm well aware the odds are not in my favor.
I've been to Vegas once. I made a few hundred dollars.
Therefore, probability is a hoax.
I'm immortal so far so Bayesianism can suck a dick, too.
Quote from: TrotskyPlease do not feed (https://qz.com/1021205/psychologists-identified-the-kind-of-emotional-intelligence-that-makes-internet-trolls-so-mean/)...
+1
I don't remember seeing the following discussed here before, though I expect it has been.
What is the general consensus with respect to what we think about whether or not the poll voters take scores into account when casting their votes? I'm guessing the voters will factor into their thinking that Cornell beat a highly ranked Clarkson team this week, and that that may be enough to push us to number one in the USA Today poll. I'm wondering if the fact that we won 5-1 while North Dakota needed most of the OT period to achieve their win will factor in or not.
Thanks.
Quote from: andyw2100I don't remember seeing the following discussed here before, though I expect it has been.
What is the general consensus with respect to what we think about whether or not the poll voters take scores into account when casting their votes? I'm guessing the voters will factor into their thinking that Cornell beat a highly ranked Clarkson team this week, and that that may be enough to push us to number one in the USA Today poll. I'm wondering if the fact that we won 5-1 while North Dakota needed most of the OT period to achieve their win will factor in or not.
Thanks.
My guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Quote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 NCAA hockey teams fared, Feb. 28-29 (https://www.uscho.com/2020/03/01/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-ncaa-hockey-teams-fared-feb-28-29/)
No. 1 Cornell (23-2-4)
02/28/2020 – St. Lawrence 0 at No. 1 Cornell 5
02/29/2020 – No. 7 Clarkson 1 at No. 1 Cornell 5
No. 2 Minnesota State (29-5-2)
02/28/2020 – No. 2 Minnesota State 1 at No. 11 Bemidji State 3
02/29/2020 – No. 2 Minnesota State 4 at No. 11 Bemidji State 1
No. 3 North Dakota (25-4-4)
02/28/2020 – No. 16 Western Michigan 1 at No. 3 North Dakota 3
02/29/2020 – No. 16 Western Michigan 1 at No. 3 North Dakota 2 (OT)
No. 4 Boston College (23-8-1)
02/27/2020 – Merrimack 1 at No. 4 Boston College 6
02/29/2020 – No. 4 Boston College 4 at Boston University 1
No. 5 Minnesota Duluth (20-10-2)
02/28/2020 – No. 5 Minnesota Duluth 4 at Colorado College 2
02/29/2020 – No. 5 Minnesota Duluth 6 at Colorado College 1
No. 6 Denver (20-9-5)
02/28/2020 – No. 6 Denver 1 at RV St. Cloud State 5
02/29/2020 – No. 6 Denver 5 at RV St. Cloud State 2
No. 7 Clarkson (23-8-3)
02/28/2020 – No. 7 Clarkson 1 at Colgate 1 (OT)
02/29/2020 – No. 7 Clarkson 1 at No. 1 Cornell 5
No. 8 Massachusetts (20-11-2)
02/28/2020 – No. 8 Massachusetts 2 at RV Connecticut 3
02/29/2020 – RV Connecticut 3 at No. 8 Massachusetts 4
No. 9 Penn State (20-10-4)
Did not play.
No. 10 Ohio State (18-11-5)
02/28/2020 – Wisconsin 3 at No. 10 Ohio State 2
02/29/2020 – Wisconsin 3 at No. 10 Ohio State 3 (OT)
No. 11 Bemidji State (20-9-5)
02/28/2020 – No. 2 Minnesota State 1 at No. 11 Bemidji State 3
02/29/2020 – No. 2 Minnesota State 4 at No. 11 Bemidji State 1
No. 12 UMass Lowell (17-10-6)
02/28/2020 – RV New Hampshire 2 at No. 12 UMass Lowell 2 (OT)
02/29/2020 – No. 12 UMass Lowell 3 at RV New Hampshire 2
No. 13 Northeastern (17-12-3)
02/28/2020 – No. 13 Northeastern 2 at Vermont 4
02/29/2020 – No. 13 Northeastern 1 at Vermont 3
No. 14 Arizona State (22-11-3)
Did not play.
No. 15 Maine (17-11-5)
02/29/2020 – No. 15 Maine 2 at No. 19 Providence 3
No. 16 Western Michigan (16-13-5)
02/28/2020 – No. 16 Western Michigan 1 at No. 3 North Dakota 3
02/29/2020 – No. 16 Western Michigan 1 at No. 3 North Dakota 2 (OT)
No. 17 Quinnipiac (21-11-2)
02/28/2020 – Brown 1 at No. 17 Quinnipiac 2
02/29/2020 – Yale 0 at No. 17 Quinnipiac 5
No. 18 Minnesota (14-13-7)
02/28/2020 – RV Michigan 2 at No. 18 Minnesota 2 (OT)
02/29/2020 – RV Michigan 2 at No. 18 Minnesota 1
No. 19 Providence (16-11-6)
02/29/2020 – No. 15 Maine 2 at No. 19 Providence 3
No. 20 AIC (21-12-1)
02/26/2020 – No. 20 AIC 3 at RV Sacred Heart 5
02/29/2020 – No. 20 AIC 4 at Army 1
RV = Received Votes
Quote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
Any plan should be at the expense of the B1G and hopefully U of I will get a bit of mustard in the mix.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
But is it a cunning plan?
Great story.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
But is it a cunning plan?
Before there was an internet, I remember reading something in Hockey News about a fictional hockey player that was added to a Top 100 list to embarrass the hockey writer (Stan Fischler?)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
+10,0000
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
But is it a cunning plan?
Better (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_npFEdZsE8).
Cornell gains 10 more first place votes in the USCHO men's poll. NoDak has 11 total first place votes, with Mankato and BC each with 1. Clarkson stays at #7 and gets 666 poll points.
In the USA Today/Hockey poll, Cornell did enough to regain the #1 spot there also, but only by 3 poll points. 19 first votes for CU, 13 for UND, 2 for Mankato.
Cornell women are now the unanimous #1 in the USCHO poll, USA out tomorrow.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
But is it a cunning plan?
Better (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_npFEdZsE8).
Nice. Gotta love Blackadder.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: adamwQuote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.
Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.
I have a plan (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/sports/ncaafootball/the-41-season-at-plainfield-teachers-college-when-every-play-was-a-fake.html).
But is it a cunning plan?
Better (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_npFEdZsE8).
Nice. Gotta love Blackadder.
And RIP Rik Mayall.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - March 2, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (37) 23-2-4 978 1[/u][/b]
2 North Dakota (11) 25-4-4 957 3
3 Minnesota State (1) 29-5-2 881 2
4 Boston College (1) 23-8-1 829 4
5 Minnesota Duluth 20-10-2 802 5
6 Denver 20-9-5 728 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 23-8-3 666 7[/u][/b]
8 Penn State 20-10-4 645 9
9 Massachusetts 20-11-2 629 8
10 Bemidji State 20-9-5 545 11
11 Ohio State 18-11-5 491 10
12 UMass Lowell 17-10-6 454 12
13 Arizona State 22-11-3 404 14
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac 21-11-2 331 17[/u][/b]
15 Maine 17-11-5 233 15
16 Northeastern 17-12-3 192 13
17 Western Michigan 16-13-5 188 16
18 Providence 16-11-6 180 19
19 Minnesota 14-13-7 75 18
20 AIC 21-12-1 66 20
Others receiving votes: Michigan 63, Sacred Heart 48,
Notre Dame 24, Bowling Green 23, [b][u]Harvard 21[/u][/b],
St. Cloud 20, Connecticut 17, Alaska 4, Michigan State 3,
[b][u]Rensselaer 2[/u][/b], Wisconsin 1
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll March 2, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell University 488 (19) 2 23-2-4 22[/u][/b]
2 University North Dakota 485 (13) 1 25-4-4 19
3 Minnesota State Univer 451 (2) 3 29-5-2 22
4 Boston College 402 4 23-8-1 20
5 Univer Minnesota Duluth 362 5 20-10-2 22
6 University of Denver 326 6 20-9-5 22
7 Penn State University 290 8 20-10-4 22
[b][u]8 Clarkson University 261 7 23-8-3 22[/u][/b]
9 Univer Massachusetts 251 9 20-11-2 22
10 Bemidji State University210 11 20-9-5 3
11 Ohio State University 186 10 18-11-5 22
12 U Massachusetts Lowell 103 15 17-10-6 11
13 Arizona State University101 13 22-11-3 10
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac University 67 NR 21-11-2 6[/u][/b]
15 Western Michigan Univer 27 14 16-13-5 2
Others receiving votes: University of Maine 24, University of Michigan 14,
Northeastern University 10, University of Minnesota 10, St. Cloud State University 6,
American International University 4, Providence College 2.
[b]NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings[/b]
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 North Dakota 59 .6220 1 .0101 25-4-4 .8182 .8289
2 Minnesota State 58 .6012 2 .0077 29-5-2 .8333 .8315
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .5958 3 .0035 23-2-4 .8621 .8697[/u][/b]
4 Boston College 55 .5785 4 .0041 23-8-1 .7344 .7319
5 Minnesota-Duluth55 .5744 5 .0073 20-10-2 .6562 .6625
6 Denver 55 .5704 6 .0056 20-9-5 .6618 .6667
7 Penn State 53 .5560 7 .0036 20-10-4 .6471 .6369
8 Massachusetts 52 .5520 8 .0042 20-11-2 .6364 .6438
[b][u]9 Clarkson 51 .5490 9 .0018 23-8-3 .7206 .7193[/u][/b]
10 Bemidji State 49 .5449 10 .0029 20-9-5 .6618 .6707
[b][u]11 Ohio State 49 .5422 11 .0028 18-11-5 .6029 .6006[/u][/b]
12 Arizona State 48 .5398 12 .0032 22-11-3 .6528 .6657
13 Mass.-Lowell 47 .5388 13 .0049 17-10-6 .6061 .6012
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac 46 .5356 14 .0026 21-11-2 .6471 .6562[/u][/b]
15 Maine 45 .5325 15 .0049 17-11-5 .5909 .6040
16 Michigan 44 .5319 16 .0048 16-14-4 .5294 .5263
17 Minnesota 44 .5317 17 .0033 14-13-7 .5147 .5029
18 Northeastern 42 .5313 18 .0027 17-12-3 .5781 .5900
19 Western Michigan40 .5309 19 .0036 16-13-5 .5441 .5457
20 Notre Dame 40 .5289 20 .0058 14-13-7 .5147 .5029
[b][u]21 Providence 39 .5271 21 .0048 16-11-6 .5758 .5714[/u][/b]
22 St. Cloud State 38 .5241 22 .0080 13-13-6 .5000 .4968
23 Sacred Heart 37 .5193 23 .0005 21-10-3 .6618 .6556
24 Bowling Green 36 .5172 25 .0021 19-13-4 .5833 .5815
[b][u]25 Michigan State 35 .5187 24 .0038 15-17-2 .4706 .4678
26 Northrn Michigan34 .5164 26 .0018 18-14-4 .5556 .5549[/u][/b]
27 American Int'l 33 .5161 27 .0000 21-12-1 .6324 .6424
[b]KRACH: Division I Men[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 North Dakota 941.0 .8779 3 25-4-4 0.8182 4.500 3 209.1
2 Minnesota State 802.6 .8607 2 29-5-2 0.8333 5.000 13 160.5
[b][u]3 Cornell 585.9 .8218 1 23-2-4 0.8621 6.250 38 93.74[/u][/b]
4 Denver 407.6 .7687 6 20-9-5 0.6618 1.957 4 208.3
5 Minnesota Duluth402.1 .7665 9 20-10-2 0.6562 1.909 2 210.6
6 Boston College 355.1 .7463 4 23-8-1 0.7344 2.765 18 128.4
7 Penn State 286.8 .7093 11 20-10-4 0.6471 1.833 14 156.4
8 Bemidji State 284.9 .7081 6 20-9-5 0.6618 1.957 17 145.6
[b][u]9 Ohio State 250.4 .6845 16 18-11-5 0.6029 1.519 11 164.9[/u][/b]
[b][u]10 Clarkson 231.0 .6693 5 23-8-3 0.7206 2.579 39 89.55[/u][/b]
11 Western Michigan226.6 .6657 26 16-13-5 0.5441 1.194 8 189.9
12 Minnesota 220.6 .6605 33 14-13-7 0.5147 1.061 5 208.0
13 Massachusetts 213.4 .6542 13 20-11-2 0.6364 1.750 21 121.9
14 Michigan 206.2 .6475 28 16-14-4 0.5294 1.125 10 183.3
15 St. Cloud 198.1 .6397 35 13-13-6 0.5000 1.000 7 198.1
16 Notre Dame 197.0 .6386 33 14-13-7 0.5147 1.061 9 185.8
17 Arizona State 186.9 .6282 10 22-11-3 0.6528 1.880 36 99.44
[b][u]18 Michigan State 177.2 .6176 39 15-17-2 0.4706 0.889 6 199.4[/u][/b]
19 UMass Lowell 172.9 .6127 15 17-10-6 0.6061 1.538 25 112.4
20 Wisconsin 168.2 .6071 41 14-18-2 0.4412 0.789 1 213.1
[b][u]21 Northrn Michigan158.4 .5950 23 18-14-4 0.5556 1.250 19 126.7
22 Quinnipiac 157.0 .5932 11 21-11-2 0.6471 1.833 41 85.64[/u][/b]
23 Bowling Green 154.8 .5902 18 19-13-4 0.5833 1.400 26 110.5
24 Northeastern 147.7 .5807 20 17-12-3 0.5781 1.370 29 107.8
25 Alaska 146.7 .5794 26 16-13-5 0.5441 1.194 20 122.9
26 Maine 145.1 .5771 17 17-11-5 0.5909 1.444 34 100.5
[b][u]27 Providence 142.8 .5738 21 16-11-6 0.5758 1.357 31 105.2[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - March 2, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (15) 27-1-3 150 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 27-4-3 134 2
3 Minnesota 27-5-3 118 3
4 Northeastern 30-4-2 108 4
5 Ohio State 22-8-6 90 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 24-6-1 71 6
7 Clarkson 25-5-6 62 7[/u][/b]
8 Minnesota Duluth 18-11-6 41 9
9 Boston University 24-8-4 28 8
[b][u]10 Harvard 18-13-1 11 NR
10 Quinnipiac 20-14-3 11 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst 1
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 40 27-1-3 0.9194 1 0.6633* 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 39 27-4-3 0.8382 3 0.6471* 2
3 Minnesota 38 27-5-3 0.8143 4 0.6366* 3
4 Northeastern 37 30-4-2 0.8611 2 0.6277* 4
[b][u]5 Ohio State 36 22-8-6 0.6944 8 0.6091 5
6 Princeton 35 24-6-1 0.7903 5 0.6073* 6
7 Clarkson 34 25-5-6 0.7778 6 0.5979* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 24-8-4 0.7222 7 0.5743* 8
9 Minnesota Duluth32 18-11-6 0.6000 12 0.5735 9
[b][u]10 Harvard 31 18-13-1 0.5781 14 0.5430* 10
11 Quinnipiac 30 20-14-3 0.5811 13 0.5396* 11
12 Mercyhurst 29 19-10-5 0.6324 10 0.5327 12
13 Robert Morris 28 19-11-4 0.6176 11 0.5296* 13
14 Colgate 27 17-15-6 0.5263 20 0.5263* 14[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
[b][u]1 Cornell 3287. .9209 1 27-1-3 0.9194 11.400 8 288.3[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 2994. .9146 3 27-4-3 0.8382 5.182 4 577.7
3 Minnesota 2545. .9029 4 27-5-3 0.8143 4.385 3 580.5
[b][u]4 Ohio State 1598. .8642 8 22-8-6 0.6944 2.273 1 703.2
5 Princeton 972.0 .8141 5 24-6-1 0.7903 3.769 9 257.9[/u][/b]
6 Northeastern 958.1 .8125 2 30-4-2 0.8611 6.200 15 154.5
7 Minnesota Duluth889.2 .8042 12 18-11-6 0.6000 1.500 2 592.8
[b][u]8 Clarkson 783.6 .7896 6 25-5-6 0.7778 3.500 12 223.9[/u][/b]
9 Boston Univer 372.3 .6934 7 24-8-4 0.7222 2.600 18 143.2
10 Bemidji State 360.3 .6888 24 16-18-3 0.4730 0.897 5 401.4
[b][u]11 Harvard 314.7 .6696 14 18-13-1 0.5781 1.370 10 229.6
12 Quinnipiac 274.0 .6496 13 20-14-3 0.5811 1.387 13 197.6
13 Colgate 249.9 .6361 20 17-15-6 0.5263 1.111 11 224.9[/u][/b]
14 Minnesota State 223.0 .6192 31 11-20-6 0.3784 0.609 6 366.3
[b][u]15 Yale 205.9 .6073 18 17-15-0 0.5312 1.133 14 181.7
16 Robert Morris 199.4 .6025 11 19-11-4 0.6176 1.615 20 123.4
17 Mercyhurst 180.8 .5879 10 19-10-5 0.6324 1.720 26 105.1[/u][/b]
Rankings roundup: How the top 20 NCAA hockey teams fared, March 6-8 By USCHO Staff - (https://www.uscho.com/2020/03/08/rankings-roundup-how-the-top-20-ncaa-hockey-teams-fared-march-6-8/)
No. 1 Cornell (23-2-4)
Did not play.
No. 2 North Dakota (26-5-4)
03/06/2020 – No. 2 North Dakota 1 at Omaha 4
03/07/2020 – No. 2 North Dakota 5 at Omaha 0
No. 3 Minnesota State (31-5-2)
03/06/2020 – Alaska Anchorage 1 at No. 3 Minnesota State 8 (WCHA quarterfinal Game 1)
03/07/2020 – Alaska Anchorage 2 at No. 3 Minnesota State 4 (WCHA quarterfinal Game 2)
No. 4 Boston College (24-8-2)
03/06/2020 – New Hampshire 1 at No. 4 Boston College 2
03/07/2020 – No. 4 Boston College 3 at New Hampshire 3 (OT)
No. 5 Minnesota Duluth (22-10-2)
03/06/2020 – RV St. Cloud 1 at No. 5 Minnesota Duluth 4
03/07/2020 – RV St. Cloud 1 at No. 5 Minnesota Duluth 6
No. 6 Denver (21-9-6)
03/06/2020 – No. 6 Denver 2 at Colorado College 2 (OT)
03/07/2020 – Colorado College 1 at No. 6 Denver 5
No. 7 Clarkson (23-8-3)
Did not play.
No. 8 Penn State (20-10-4)
Did not play.
No. 9 Massachusetts (21-11-2)
03/05/2020 – Vermont 0 at No. 9 Massachusetts 1
No. 10 Bemidji State (22-10-5)
03/06/2020 – Lake Superior State 0 at No. 10 Bemidji State 2 (WCHA quarterfinal Game 1)
03/07/2020 – Lake Superior State 5 at No. 10 Bemidji State 3 (WCHA quarterfinal Game 2)
03/08/2020 – Lake Superior State 1 at No. 10 Bemidji State 3 (WCHA quarterfinal Game 3)
No. 11 Ohio State (20-11-5)
03/06/2020 – RV Wisconsin 1 at No. 11 Ohio State 9 (Big Ten quarterfinal Game 1)
03/07/2020 RV Wisconsin 1 at No. 11 Ohio State 2 (OT) (Big Ten quarterfinal Game 2)
No. 12 UMass Lowell (18-10-6)
03/06/2020 – RV Connecticut 1 at No. 12 UMass Lowell 3
No. 13 Arizona State (22-11-3)
Did not play.
No. 14 Quinnipiac (21-11-2)
Did not play.
No. 15 Maine (18-11-5)
03/06/2020 – No. 18 Providence 0 at No. 15 Maine 1
No. 16 Northeastern (18-13-3)
03/06/2020 – Boston University 3 at No. 16 Northeastern 0
03/07/2020 – No. 16 Northeastern 2 at Boston University 1
No. 17 Western Michigan (18-13-5)
03/06/2020 – Miami 2 at No. 17 Western Michigan 5
03/07/2020 – Miami 4 at No. 17 Western Michigan 8
No. 18 Providence (16-12-6)
03/06/2020 – No. 18 Providence 0 at No. 15 Maine 1
No. 19 Minnesota (16-14-7)
03/06/2020 – RV Notre Dame 1 at No. 19 Minnesota 0 (Big Ten quarterfinal Game 1)
03/07/2020 – RV Notre Dame 1 at No. 19 Minnesota 2 (Big Ten quarterfinal Game 2)
03/08/2020 – RV Notre Dame 2 at No. 19 Minnesota 3 (Big Ten quarterfinal Game 3)
No. 20 AIC (21-12-1)
Did not play.
RV = Received Votes
For what it's worth, which isn't much this time of year, men and women are still #1. I'll post all later.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - March 9, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (40) 23-2-4 981 1[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota State (5) 31-5-2 927 3
3 North Dakota (5) 26-5-4 925 2
4 Minnesota Duluth 22-10-2 828 5
5 Boston College 24-8-2 826 4
6 Denver 21-9-6 738 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 23-8-3 685 7[/u][/b]
8 Penn State 20-10-4 647 8
9 Massachusetts 21-11-2 611 9
10 Ohio State 20-11-5 526 11
11 Bemidji State 22-10-5 470 10
12 UMass Lowell 18-10-6 459 12
13 Arizona State 22-11-3 377 13
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac 21-11-2 349 14[/u][/b]
15 Maine 18-11-5 289 15
16 Western Michigan 18-13-5 244 17
17 Michigan 18-14-4 148 NR
18 Minnesota 16-14-7 126 19
19 Northeastern 18-13-3 119 16
20 AIC 21-12-1 75 20
Others receiving votes: Providence 65, Bowling Green 27,
Sacred Heart 23, [b][u]Harvard 18[/u][/b], Notre Dame 11, St. Cloud 3,
[b][u]Rensselaer 2[/u][/b], Michigan State 1
[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll March 9, 2020[/b]
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell University 487 (23) 1 23-2-4 23[/u][/b]
2 University North Dakota 473 (9) 2 26-5-4 20
3 Minnesota State Univer 460 (2) 3 31-5-2 23
4 Boston College 396 4 24-8-2 21
5 Univer Minnesota Duluth 387 5 22-10-2 23
6 University of Denver 327 6 21-9-6 23
7 Penn State University 292 7 20-10-4 23
[b][u]8 Clarkson University 280 8 23-8-3 23[/u][/b]
9 University Massachusetts242 9 21-11-2 23
10 Ohio State University 210 11 20-11-5 23
11 Bemidji State University155 10 22-10-5 4
12 U Massachusetts Lowell 125 12 18-10-6 12
13 Arizona State University 80 13 22-11-3 11
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac University 58 14 21-11-2 7[/u][/b]
15 University of Michigan 36 NR 15-19-2 1
Others receiving votes: University of Maine 28, Western Michigan University 22,
Northeastern 10, Minnesota 8, [b][u]Harvard 4[/u][/b].
[b]Men's Division I PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
1 North Dakota 59 26-5-4 0.8000 3 0.6123* 1
2 Minnesota State 58 31-5-2 0.8421 2 0.5996* 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 23-2-4 0.8621 1 0.5933* 3[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota Duluth56 22-10-2 0.6765 6 0.5777 4
5 Denver 55 21-9-6 0.6667 7 0.5688 6
6 Boston College 54 24-8-2 0.7353 4 0.5762 5
7 Penn State 53 20-10-4 0.6471 11 0.5555 7
8 Massachusetts 52 21-11-2 0.6471 11 0.5525 8
[b][u]9 Clarkson 51 23-8-3 0.7206 5 0.5499 9
[b][u]10 Ohio State 50 20-11-5 0.6250 15 0.5485* 10[/u][/b][/u][/b]
11 UMass Lowell 49 18-10-6 0.6176 16 0.5412 11
12 Bemidji State 47 22-10-5 0.6622 8 0.5397 12
12 Arizona State 47 22-11-3 0.6528 10 0.5394* 13
14 Michigan 46 18-14-4 0.5556 26 0.5371 14
15 Maine 45 18-11-5 0.6029 18 0.5362 15
[b][u]16 Quinnipiac 44 21-11-2 0.6471 11 0.5361 16[/u][/b]
17 Minnesota 43 16-14-7 0.5270 28 0.5325 18
18 Western Michigan42 18-13-5 0.5694 23 0.5360 17
19 Northeastern 41 18-13-3 0.5735 22 0.5297 19
20 Notre Dame 40 15-15-7 0.5000 32 0.5284 20
20 Bowling Green 40 21-13-4 0.6053 17 0.5247 21
[b][u]22 Providence 38 16-12-6 0.5588 25 0.5242 22[/u][/b]
23 Sacred Heart 37 21-10-3 0.6618 9 0.5189 23
24 St. Cloud 36 13-15-6 0.4706 38 0.5182 24
25 Michigan Tech 35 21-15-3 0.5769 21 0.5179 25
26 AIC 34 21-12-1 0.6324 14 0.5172 26
[b][u]27 Harvard 33 15-10-6 0.5806 20 0.5151 27
28 Michigan State 32 15-19-2 0.4444 40 0.5129 28
29 Boston Universit29 13-13-8 0.5000 32 0.5110 29[/u][/b]
29 Omaha 29 14-17-5 0.4583 39 0.5108 30
[b]KRACH: Division I Men[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 North Dakota 816.5 .8627 3 26-5-4 0.8000 4.000 5 204.1
2 Minnesota State 790.0 .8590 2 31-5-2 0.8421 5.333 16 148.1
[b][u]3 Cornell 571.2 .8184 1 23-2-4 0.8621 6.250 38 91.39[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota Duluth446.1 .7827 6 22-10-2 0.6765 2.091 2 213.4
5 Denver 395.8 .7639 7 21-9-6 0.6667 2.000 7 197.9
6 Boston College 350.7 .7441 4 24-8-2 0.7353 2.778 18 126.2
7 Penn State 292.5 .7127 11 20-10-4 0.6471 1.833 14 159.5
[b][u]8 Ohio State 282.7 .7066 15 20-11-5 0.6250 1.667 13 169.6[/u][/b]
9 Bemidji State 260.2 .6915 8 22-10-5 0.6622 1.960 17 132.7
10 Western Michigan249.9 .6840 23 18-13-5 0.5694 1.323 9 188.9
11 Minnesota 234.4 .6720 28 16-14-7 0.5270 1.114 3 210.4
12 Michigan 233.1 .6710 26 18-14-4 0.5556 1.250 10 186.5
[b][u]13 Clarkson 231.4 .6696 5 23-8-3 0.7206 2.579 39 89.73[/u][/b]
14 Massachusetts 215.2 .6557 11 21-11-2 0.6471 1.833 21 117.4
15 Notre Dame 196.2 .6377 32 15-15-7 0.5000 1.000 8 196.2
16 Arizona State 185.8 .6270 10 22-11-3 0.6528 1.880 37 98.83
17 UMass Lowell 182.2 .6230 16 18-10-6 0.6176 1.615 26 112.8
18 St. Cloud 180.7 .6214 38 13-15-6 0.4706 0.889 6 203.3
19 Bowling Green 174.9 .6149 17 21-13-4 0.6053 1.533 25 114.1
[b][u]20 Michigan State 164.3 .6023 40 15-19-2 0.4444 0.800 4 205.4[/u][/b]
21 Wisconsin 160.2 .5972 43 14-20-2 0.4167 0.714 1 224.2
22 Michigan Tech 158.0 .5944 21 21-15-3 0.5769 1.364 24 115.8
[b][u]23 Quinnipiac 156.1 .5919 11 21-11-2 0.6471 1.833 40 85.13[/u][/b]
24 Maine 153.6 .5887 18 18-11-5 0.6029 1.519 36 101.2
25 Omaha 145.2 .5772 39 14-17-5 0.4583 0.846 11 171.6
26 Northeastern 143.8 .5751 22 18-13-3 0.5735 1.345 30 106.9
[b][u]27 Northrn Michigan136.6 .5646 29 18-16-4 0.5263 1.111 19 122.9
28 Providence 133.4 .5598 25 16-12-6 0.5588 1.267 33 105.3[/u][/b]
29 Alaska 128.2 .5516 30 16-15-5 0.5139 1.057 20 121.3
[b][u]30 Boston Univer 116.8 .5322 32 13-13-8 0.5000 1.000 22 116.8
31 Harvard 110.4 .5206 20 15-10-6 0.5806 1.385 41 79.74[/u][/b]
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - March 9, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (14) 28-2-3 145 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 28-5-3 132 2
3 Northeastern 32-4-2 114 4
4 Ohio State (1) 24-8-6 101 5
5 Minnesota 27-6-3 100 3
[b][u]6 Princeton 26-6-1 83 6
7 Clarkson 25-6-6 59 7[/u][/b]
8 Minnesota Duluth 18-12-6 36 8
9 Boston University 24-8-4 34 9
10 Mercyhurst 21-10-5 13 NR
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Quinnipiac 6, Harvard 2[/u][/b]
[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]
Rnk Team PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk
[b][u]1 Cornell 40 28-2-3 0.8939 1 0.6575* 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 39 28-5-3 0.8194 3 0.6425* 2
3 Northeastern 38 32-4-2 0.8684 2 0.6302* 3
4 Minnesota 37 27-6-3 0.7917 5 0.6288* 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 36 26-6-1 0.8030 4 0.6213* 5
6 Ohio State 35 24-8-6 0.7105 8 0.6188 6
7 Clarkson 34 25-6-6 0.7568 6 0.5921* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer 33 24-8-4 0.7222 7 0.5736* 8
9 Minnesota Duluth32 18-12-6 0.5833 12 0.5685 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 31 20-14-3 0.5811 13 0.5405* 10
11 Harvard 30 18-14-1 0.5606 14 0.5391* 11
12 Mercyhurst 29 21-10-5 0.6528 9 0.5390 12[/u][/b]
[b]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/b]
Rank Team Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
[b][u]1 Cornell 2782. .9092 1 28-2-3 0.8939 8.429 7 330.0[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin 2740. .9081 3 28-5-3 0.8194 4.538 3 603.6
3 Minnesota 2266. .8935 5 27-6-3 0.7917 3.800 4 596.3
[b][u]4 Ohio State 1896. .8787 8 24-8-6 0.7105 2.455 1 772.3
5 Princeton 1330. .8458 4 26-6-1 0.8030 4.077 8 326.2[/u][/b]
6 Northeastern 1012. .8174 2 32-4-2 0.8684 6.600 16 153.4
7 Minnesota Duluth851.9 .7981 12 18-12-6 0.5833 1.400 2 608.5
[b][u]8 Clarkson 745.8 .7826 6 25-6-6 0.7568 3.111 11 239.7[/u][/b]
9 Boston Univer 373.5 .6928 7 24-8-4 0.7222 2.600 18 143.7
10 Bemidji State 354.1 .6853 24 16-18-3 0.4730 0.897 5 394.6
[b][u]11 Harvard 314.0 .6683 14 18-14-1 0.5606 1.276 10 246.1
12 Quinnipiac 287.4 .6556 13 20-14-3 0.5811 1.387 13 207.2
13 Colgate 255.6 .6385 19 17-15-6 0.5263 1.111 12 230.1[/u][/b]
14 Minnesota State 220.5 .6168 31 11-20-6 0.3784 0.609 6 362.3
[b][u]15 Yale 209.6 .6093 18 17-15-0 0.5312 1.133 14 184.9
16 Mercyhurst 202.3 .6040 9 21-10-5 0.6528 1.880 26 107.6[/u][/b]
CBR: Men's Hockey Ranked #1 In Final USCHO poll Cornell tops year-end poll for first time in program history (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2020/3/23/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-ranked-1-in-final-uscho-poll.aspx)
CBR: Women's Ice Hockey Tabbed #1 in Final USCHO Poll (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2020/3/23/womens-ice-hockey-tabbed-1-in-final-uscho-poll.aspx)
Interestingly it's also the first for the women, even though they don't headline it as such.
[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - March 23, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (25) 23-2-4 954 1[/u][/b]
2 North Dakota (16) 26-5-4 943 3
3 Minnesota State (6) 31-5-2 926 2
4 Boston College (2) 24-8-2 833 5
5 Minnesota Duluth(1) 22-10-2 811 4
6 Denver 21-9-6 739 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 23-8-3 684 7[/u][/b]
8 Penn State 20-10-4 649 8
9 Massachusetts 21-11-2 619 9
10 Ohio State 20-11-5 537 10
11 Bemidji State 22-10-5 467 11
12 UMass Lowell 18-10-6 448 12
13 Arizona State 22-11-3 362 13
[b][u]14 Quinnipiac 21-11-2 323 14[/u][/b]
15 Maine 18-11-5 301 15
16 Western Michigan 18-13-5 229 16
17 Michigan 18-14-4 210 17
18 Minnesota 16-14-7 124 18
19 Northeastern 18-13-3 105 19
20 AIC 21-12-1 77 20
Others receiving votes: Providence 55, Sacred Heart 32,
Bowling Green 31, [b][u]Harvard 25, Rensselaer 7[/u][/b], Notre Dame 4,
Boston University 2, Michigan Tech 1, St. Cloud 1, Bentley 1
[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - March 23, 2020[/b]
Rnk Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
[b][u]1 Cornell (12) 28-2-3 144 1[/u][/b]
2 Wisconsin (1) 28-5-3 134 2
3 Northeastern (1) 32-4-2 115 3
4 Ohio State (1) 24-8-6 102 4
5 Minnesota 27-6-3 99 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 26-6-1 80 6
7 Clarkson 25-6-6 60 7[/u][/b]
8 Minnesota Duluth 18-12-6 39 8
9 Boston University 24-8-4 36 9
10 Mercyhurst 21-10-5 12 10
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Quinnipiac 4[/u][/b]