Looking forward to 2020. We've got Jeff Teat for one last year. We return rising senior LSM Brandon Salvatorive (unanimous 1st team); junior A John Piatelli, M Jon Donville; rising sophomore Chayse Ierlan. We're supposed to to have a very good FOGO coming in. We lose All-Ivy A Clark Petterson (meaning even more defensive pressure on Teat), M Jake McCulloch, SSDM Ryan Bran, D Fleet Wallace (All-Ivy name team, too).
We've got Penn and Yale coming back loaded. Penn freshman middie Sam Hundley has something like 35G and 60 points. If we had somebody like him in the midfield, that might bring defenses out a bit more and give Teat room to maneuver. Teat's three years have been 72 points (broke Pannell's freshman record), 99 points, this year 70 points.
Be interesting to see who our non-league opponents are in 2020. We were hurt by not enough top-20 wins. Playing D1 newbie St. Bonaventure won't help; do we owe them a game at their place before we bow out? Lehigh, Albany, maybe-with-a-tailwind Hobart are possible top-20s. Syracuse is top-20. Were this year's Penn State and Towson (at Crown Classic) and Notre Dame one-and-dones?
So what are Cornell's unmet needs? More midfield? More defense? Faceoffs for sure.
Rules changes the NCAA needs for lacrosse:
* End faceoffs. Start of game could be a faceoff or a coin toss. Faceoffs feel as if they have less to do with the game than field goals have to do with football. If the other team gets the ball and has to go 80 yards to score, it will keep the games closer and maybe teams will put special teams efforts into the rides rather than faceoffs.
* Return overtime to 4 minutes, total goals for the the first OT at least. Do it because of the faceoff disparity (Ierlan won close to 80% of faceoffs so if Yale is in OT in the playoffs, Yale has a huge advantage) or because of randomness, first to score in OT is too random an outcome. When Cornell won its second NCAA title, in OT, it gave up a goal to Maryland then then rolled off four straight to win. The NCAA could grow a pair and tell ESPN to block out an extra 10 minutes for the possibility of OT. The only thing delayed is usually a playoff softball game.
* Think about video review at least in tournament games. In the Ivy tournament there appeared to be some embellishment, one of which led to a no-release foul against Cornell. And get tougher on embellishment / dives; when the announcers in the booth criticize the ruling it hurts respect for the game.
* Don't mess with the shot clock for now. Worked well.
* To the formula for who makes the playoffs and gets seeded, add an equalizer for the first 3? 4? games where one team has an advantage of playing game 3 when another team is playing game 1. It's one thing to be playing game 3 against a Duke or Notre Dame that's playing game 5, and another to be playing game 1 against a team playing game 3 or 4.
* (Or is this in the equation already?) Give credit for the ranking the team had when you played them. It may be you beat a #1 team that dropped to #8 because it wasn't really that good but it also might be you played them before 2 of their 4 best players got hurt.
* (Or is this taken into account already?) A team that plays more games has more chances for top 5, 10 and 20 wins. Of the top 20, teams have played as few as 12 games (TOSU) and as many as 17 (Georgetown and "Army West Point").
The last three items really would make the who-gets-in decision more formulaic. Which is good if it helps you. It makes it harder for the old guard to allow personal biases to work their way in ("Navy's always a good team. They ought to be in.)
Quote from: billhowardRules changes the NCAA needs for lacrosse:
* End faceoffs. Start of game could be a faceoff or a coin toss. Faceoffs feel as if they have less to do with the game than field goals have to do with football. If the other team gets the ball and has to go 80 yards to score, it will keep the games closer and maybe teams will put special teams efforts into the rides rather than faceoffs.
* Return overtime to 4 minutes, total goals for the the first OT at least. Do it because of the faceoff disparity (Ierlan won close to 80% of faceoffs so if Yale is in OT in the playoffs, Yale has a huge advantage) or because of randomness, first to score in OT is too random an outcome. When Cornell won its second NCAA title, in OT, it gave up a goal to Maryland then then rolled off four straight to win. The NCAA could grow a pair and tell ESPN to block out an extra 10 minutes for the possibility of OT. The only thing delayed is usually a playoff softball game.
* Think about video review at least in tournament games. In the Ivy tournament there appeared to be some embellishment, one of which led to a no-release foul against Cornell. And get tougher on embellishment / dives; when the announcers in the booth criticize the ruling it hurts respect for the game.
* Don't mess with the shot clock for now. Worked well.
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Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardRules changes the NCAA needs for lacrosse:
* End faceoffs. Start of game could be a faceoff or a coin toss. Faceoffs feel as if they have less to do with the game than field goals have to do with football. If the other team gets the ball and has to go 80 yards to score, it will keep the games closer and maybe teams will put special teams efforts into the rides rather than faceoffs.
* Return overtime to 4 minutes, total goals for the the first OT at least. Do it because of the faceoff disparity (Ierlan won close to 80% of faceoffs so if Yale is in OT in the playoffs, Yale has a huge advantage) or because of randomness, first to score in OT is too random an outcome. When Cornell won its second NCAA title, in OT, it gave up a goal to Maryland then then rolled off four straight to win. The NCAA could grow a pair and tell ESPN to block out an extra 10 minutes for the possibility of OT. The only thing delayed is usually a playoff softball game.
* Think about video review at least in tournament games. In the Ivy tournament there appeared to be some embellishment, one of which led to a no-release foul against Cornell. And get tougher on embellishment / dives; when the announcers in the booth criticize the ruling it hurts respect for the game.
* Don't mess with the shot clock for now. Worked well.
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Get this done and I might even enjoy watching lacrosse again. They've made some major strides with the shot clock, now let's see if they can work on the rest of the game problems.
Bill did a great job of highlighting my 2 major complaints, faceoff and OT. Both of these really undermine the fun of the game. Sure hockey has sudden death, but there are usually multiple chances by each team before the winning goal. In lacrosse you win the FO and then plan for the winning goal. It's not random enough.
Enough has been said about the FO catastrophe. Is it really fun to watch a game where one team seems to always have the ball and the other is just focused on trying to stop them. Bball gave up the jump ball, lacrosse should do the same thing for FOs.
Basketball also cut a hole in the bottom of the peach basket to speed up the game.
(Aside: A reporter who worked with me in Springfield, Mass., when there was a Tip-Off Classic, was doing both history of basketball and what-this-game-will-be-like stories. She was not a sportswriter. The draft that thank God did not make print conflated the past and present, and had the current Tip-Off game played with peach baskets. She also interviewed honorary chair Bob Cousy, pronounced it Couseny in a phone interview, and asked him to clarify his relationship to basketball.)
Quote from: billhowardBasketball also cut a hole in the bottom of the peach basket to speed up the game.
(Aside: A reporter who worked with me in Springfield, Mass., when there was a Tip-Off Classic, was doing both history of basketball and what-this-game-will-be-like stories. She was not a sportswriter. The draft that thank God did not make print conflated the past and present, and had the current Tip-Off game played with peach baskets. She also interviewed honorary chair Bob Cousy, pronounced it Couseny in a phone interview, and asked him to clarify his relationship to basketball.)
Nothing like an impartial, third-party observer.
Inside Lacrosse has an article (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/us-lacrosse-announces-u-s-u-19-tryout-invitees/54581) on players invited to tryout for the U.S. U-19 team. Here's a list of Ivy and other schools along with the number of players that have been invited:
- Yale (10)
- Princeton (3)
- Brown (2)
- Cornell (2)
- Harvard (2)
- Penn (1)
- Dartmouth (0)
- Duke (10)
- Maryland (10)
- North Carolina (8)
- Virginia (8)
- Notre Dame (7)
- Johns Hopkins (5)
- Penn State (5)
- Syracuse (1)
Quote from: SwampyInside Lacrosse has an article (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/us-lacrosse-announces-u-s-u-19-tryout-invitees/54581) on players invited to tryout for the U.S. U-19 team. Here's a list of Ivy and other schools along with the number of players that have been invited:
- Yale (10)
- Princeton (3)
- Brown (2)
- Cornell (2)
- Harvard (2)
- Penn (1)
- Dartmouth (0)
- Duke (10)
- Maryland (10)
- North Carolina (8)
- Virginia (8)
- Notre Dame (7)
- Johns Hopkins (5)
- Penn State (5)
- Syracuse (1)
Yale with 10 tells us they're recruiting is at an insane level right now. Stunning to se SU with just one invitee
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyInside Lacrosse has an article (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/us-lacrosse-announces-u-s-u-19-tryout-invitees/54581) on players invited to tryout for the U.S. U-19 team. Here's a list of Ivy and other schools along with the number of players that have been invited:
- Yale (10)
- Princeton (3)
- Brown (2)
- Cornell (2)
- Harvard (2)
- Penn (1)
- Dartmouth (0)
- Duke (10)
- Maryland (10)
- North Carolina (8)
- Virginia (8)
- Notre Dame (7)
- Johns Hopkins (5)
- Penn State (5)
- Syracuse (1)
Yale with 10 tells us they're recruiting is at an insane level right now. Stunning to se SU with just one invitee
Agree. Very telling.
Worth noting that this is just American players and seems like we've had a lot of success recruiting Canadians recently - so maybe it's not a total indictment of our recruiting. I don't know if we target/get more Canadians than other similar schools, but I'm sure someone on here does.
Good point. We have some terrific Canadian kids coming the next few years
Quote from: scoop85Good point. We have some terrific Canadian kids coming the next few years
Must be because Yale followed Haavid and decided to give middle-class kids full tuition scholarships. Cornell tries to match, which isn't the same as getting the original offer. Besides, Cornell can't always match.
OTOH, when I read the Canadian press, I frequently learn that Cornell players got hockey scholarships. Most recently, I read this in Dan Lodboa's obit. Well, if Canadian hockey players get hockey scholarships, surely Canadian lacrosse players won't be discriminated against. So Teat, Peterson,etc. must be getting lacrosse scholarships.
Inside Lacrosse also has a list of incoming recruits (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/commitments). I don't know how to do a table on this forum, so instead I've added a n-tuple to each school. Interpret the n-tuple as (total number of recruits, number of 5-star recruits, number of 4-star). Nobody seems to have 3-star or lower. Since some schools have no 5-stars but lots of 4-stars, these are in alphabetical order, with the Ivies first. The rightmost numbers are the total number of stars and average stars per recruit. E.g., Brown is (12,0,5) -- 20, 1.67. The average number of stars probably overweighs 4-star recruits because 5-star recruits are at the upper bound. Some 5-stars are likely to be superstars. The average also considers players without stars to be worth zero, which is probably incorrect.
- Brown: (12,0,5) -- 20, 1.67
- Cornell: (12,2,3) -- 22, 1.83
- Dartmouth: (9,0,1) -- 4, 0.44
- Harvard: (8,0,5) -- 20, 2.50
- Penn: (14,0,5) -- 20, 1.43
- Princeton: (10,2,5) -- 30, 3.00
- Yale: (10,0,7) -- 28, 2.80
- Duke: (10,6,4) -- 46, 4.60
- JHU: (18,1,7) -- 33, 1.83
- Maryland: (15,2,11) -- 54, 3.60
- North Carolina: (12,0,7) -- 28, 2.33
- Notre Dame: (12,1,9) -- 41, 3.42
- Penn State: (14,1,6) -- 29, 2.07
- Syracuse: (15,0,5) -- 20, 1.33
- Virginia: (8,3,4) -- 31, 3.88
Note that this list is not restricted to U.S. Americans.
From the rosters of the Under Armour North/South Boys All-America Game (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/under-armour-announces-north-south-rosters-for-boys-all-america-lacrosse-game/54636):
[b][u]School[/u] [u]Attack[/u] [u]Face-Off[/u] [u]Midfield[/u] [u]Defense[/u] [u]Goalie[/u] [u]Total Number of Players[/u][/b]
[color=#FF0000]Cornell 1 1 1 3[/color]
Princeton 1 1 1 3
Yale 1 1 1 3
Penn 1 1 2
Brown 1 1
Duke 1 2 3 5
Notre Dame 1 2 1 1 5
Virginia 1 1 1 2 5
Maryland 1 1 1 3
Michigan 2 1 3
Ohio State 2* 1 3*
Denver 1 1 2
Georgetown 1 1 2
Johns Hopkins 1 1
North Carolina 1 1
Penn State 1 1
*One player will play football at Ohio State. (Apparently instead of lacrosse, but may be in addition to lacrosse.)
I know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
Quote from: SwampyI know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
We could use help at midfield, too. Imagine if we had someone like Penn freshman middie Sam Handley, unanimous Ivy rookie of the year, to keep the opponents' defenses from collapsing on Jeff Teat and the rest of the offense.
Don't see Harvard represented among HS North/South all-stars. Their push to the top tier seems stalled. 65-65 this decade under Chris Wojcik. One trip to the NCAAs, 2014, also the only year Harvard was first (tie) in the Ivy League. Since then 6-4-6-6-6, 65-65 overall. Wojcik is Harvard '96, captain of both soccer and lacrosse and winner of Harvard's Bingham Award to the top male athlete. How long will that protect his job? [edit add:] Multiple reports earlier in the month said he's gone.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyI know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
We could use help at midfield, too. Imagine if we had someone like Penn freshman middie Sam Handley, unanimous Ivy rookie of the year, to keep the opponents' defenses from collapsing on Jeff Teat and the rest of the offense.
Don't see Harvard represented among HS North/South all-stars. Their push to the top tier seems stalled. 65-65 this decade under Chris Wojcik. One trip to the NCAAs, 2014, also the only year Harvard was first (tie) in the Ivy League. Since then 6-4-6-6-6, 65-65 overall. Wojcik is Harvard '96, captain of both soccer and lacrosse and winner of Harvard's Bingham Award to the top male athlete. How long will that protect his job?
Think he's gone already.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/news-chris-wojcik-not-returning-at-harvard/54425
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyI know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
We could use help at midfield, too. Imagine if we had someone like Penn freshman middie Sam Handley, unanimous Ivy rookie of the year, to keep the opponents' defenses from collapsing on Jeff Teat and the rest of the offense.
Don't see Harvard represented among HS North/South all-stars. Their push to the top tier seems stalled. 65-65 this decade under Chris Wojcik. One trip to the NCAAs, 2014, also the only year Harvard was first (tie) in the Ivy League. Since then 6-4-6-6-6, 65-65 overall. Wojcik is Harvard '96, captain of both soccer and lacrosse and winner of Harvard's Bingham Award to the top male athlete. How long will that protect his job? [edit add:] Multiple reports earlier in the month said he's gone.
It's also notable that Syracuse is MIA in the all-star game.
Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.
Quote from: Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).
Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.
Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.
https://www.voy.com/152805/182515.html
Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711
"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."
Quote from: Ken711Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.
Quote from: Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).
Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.
Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.
https://www.voy.com/152805/182515.html
And I believe our own Chayse Ierlan was the #2 ranked goalie in the 2018 HS graduating class.
Quote from: jeff '84Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711
"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.
Quote from: Ken711Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.
Quote from: Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).
Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.
Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.
https://www.voy.com/152805/182515.html
Burkinshaw started two games, played in 11, had almost 200 minutes of playing time, mostly early (the season was 1200 minutes). Either the coaches saw him as close to eventual starter Alex Rode, they wanted to give him mop-up minutes, or maybe they feared he was unhappy already and they didn't want him jumping ship. Burkinshaw was a freshman, Rode a sophomore.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: jeff '84Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711
"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.
CGS is a two-year college for incoming freshmen, after which they continue on in regular majors, including the most academically demanding, such as pre-med or engineering. It was started after WW II to help students attending under the G.I. Bill reacclimate to academic pursuits after being away from school for 5-10 years.
In recent years it's been used for students with good enough H.S. records to gain admission but some weakness that suggests a need for a different approach. This largely consists of a very structured curriculum of coordinated required courses covering subjects most other schools with liberal arts requirements require. The individual courses themselves are team-taught by CGS faculty and may be designed to combine multiple subjects (e.g. a writing-intensive course covering Western history with extra emphasis on the context & impacts of scientific discoveries taken in sync with another course on scientific concepts timed to cover them when the "history" course does.)
I'm actually a fan of this approach. It's not that different from what I had my first two years in Engineering at Cornell: a curriculum of coordinated required courses with only 1-2 electives. Obviously the subject matter is different, and the courses are interdisciplinary, but the structured approach and wholistic pedagogy is similar. My biggest criticism is that CGS has no math requirement.
I think the approach is far superior to what many schools do these days: have unstructured Gen. Ed. requirements often in a "University College." It's common to have incoming students choose 40 credit hours of courses from well over 10,000 hours of course offerings. Frequently these offerings are by departments competing to build their numbers by offering entertaining gut Gen-Ed courses for non-majors.
If we accept BU recruiting so many hockey players who leave early and go pro as a constraint, CGS may actually be an excellent educational option for them. At least this way they leave with a cohesive liberal arts education of one, two, or three years, rather than a patchwork of random courses that may even be less academically challenging.
Obviously this last point is difficult to judge. By channeling "weaker" students to CGS, BU clearly lowers the potential level of academic work, at least initially. But I've heard BU professors say that when students enter their majors in their junior year, the ones from CGS are often better prepared than than those who went into A&S straight out of high school. So there's some evidence CGS achieves its goal of raising students' academic capabilities.
Compare this to, say, Arizona State, which has been characterized as a "factory of credentialing (https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/asu-new-american-university-its-terrifying)" and a professor there once told me is a school that accepts anyone and graduates everyone who shows up for a significant number of class sessions. Yet its President claims — and both Democrat and Republican politicians salute (https://books.google.com/books/about/Designing_the_New_American_University.html?id=aly5BgAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description) — this as great democratization of higher education — a claim that could be true only if the the education itself is not a sham. The big issue, of course, is how to tell if it is.
Quote from: SwampyIf we accept BU recruiting so many hockey players who leave early and go pro as a constraint, CGS may actually be an excellent educational option for them. At least this way they leave with a cohesive liberal arts education of one, two, or three years, rather than a patchwork of random courses that may even be less academically challenging.
CGS may well work as you've described, and not a bad idea. But: There may be some with lesser educational-attainment prospects. Say, student-athletes who fall into the academic cohort "dumb as a rock." BU does recruit in Massachusetts towns such as Marblehead.
(In fairness to BU, it's a far better school than 40 years ago. On many rankings it's a top-fifty US university. Credit to John Silber, BU's hot-headed president who alienated faculty and students, yet when he left in 1996 after 26 years at BU, it was markedly better. Silber is one of America's few college presidents who managed to unite the faculty as one.)
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: jeff '84Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-bu-s-chris-gray-enters-ncaa-s-transfer-portal/54711
"There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions."
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.
.........
Compare this to, say, Arizona State, which has been characterized as a "factory of credentialing (https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/asu-new-american-university-its-terrifying)" and a professor there once told me is a school that accepts anyone and graduates everyone who shows up for a significant number of class sessions. Yet its President claims — and both Democrat and Republican politicians salute (https://books.google.com/books/about/Designing_the_New_American_University.html?id=aly5BgAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description) — this as great democratization of higher education — a claim that could be true only if the the education itself is not a sham. The big issue, of course, is how to tell if it is.
What we really need is to found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study. But where would we ever find that? :-D
Harvard just got a significant coaching upgrade:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-notre-dame-assistant-gerry-byrne-set-to-become-harvard-head-coach/54951
I just heard of this.
ryan maloney injured (https://www.gofundme.com/yxu34-ryan039s-recovery-fund)
Quote from: upprdeckI just heard of this.
ryan maloney injured (https://www.gofundme.com/yxu34-ryan039s-recovery-fund)
Awful news
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckI just heard of this.
ryan maloney injured (https://www.gofundme.com/yxu34-ryan039s-recovery-fund)
Awful news
That just sucks.
Inside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/usa-u-19-training-team-narrowed-to-32-players/55061). For Cornell fans, the news is awful.
Quote from: Inside LacrosseYale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.
Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. ::scream::
Quote from: SwampyInside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/usa-u-19-training-team-narrowed-to-32-players/55061). For Cornell fans, the news is awful.
Quote from: Inside LacrosseYale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.
Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. ::scream::
I think you're overstating this. We have a good class coming in, with 3 Under Armour All Americans for the 1st time.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyInside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/usa-u-19-training-team-narrowed-to-32-players/55061). For Cornell fans, the news is awful.
Quote from: Inside LacrosseYale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.
Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. ::scream::
I think you're overstating this. We have a good class coming in, with 3 Under Armour All Americans for the 1st time.
Hope you're right. Still, Yale having 5 candidates for the national team is scary.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckI just heard of this.
ryan maloney injured (https://www.gofundme.com/yxu34-ryan039s-recovery-fund)
Awful news
That just sucks.
Ryan Maloney attends Lax practice. (https://t.co/jk4HjWTYLD%20https://twitter.com/CornellLacrosse/status/1172941961923301377?s=17)
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/9/16/four-mens-lacrosse-freshmen-featured-on-inside-lacrosses-power-100-list.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0P1fZA557itjxa87HyUaiARtL7H8oDkpPTX7xtyDJjVwlrZcYF8CKKbds
A little detail on freshman who will play spring 2020. The top 24 of the https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2019-recruiting-issue-men-s-power-100-incoming-freshman-rankings/55325 top 100 are rated 5-star recruits. Duke gets 4, Virginia gets 3, Cornell 2, Yale 2, Denver 2, Georgetown 2, Michigan 2, Princeton 1, Penn and Penn State 1 apiece, Ohio State 1, Syracuse 0. Duke and Michigan poach one each from Cornell turf, the Hill Academy.
Connor Shellenberger | A | St. Anne's Belfield (Va.) | Virginia
Kenny Brower | D | Massapequa (N.Y.) | Duke
Dyson Williams | A | Hill Academy (Ont.) | Duke
Alec Stathakis | FO | Culver (Ind.) | Denver
Graham Bundy | M | MICDS (Mo.) | Georgetown
BJ Burlace | D | St. Mary's (Md.) | Yale
Jake Caputo | M | Middle Creek (N.C.) | Duke
James Donaldson | D | Brother Rice (Mich.) | Georgetown
Michael Long | A | Delbarton (N.J.) | Cornell
Sammy English | M | Culver (Ind.) | Princeton
Angelo Petrakis | FO | Massapequa (N.Y.) | Cornell
Grant Mitchell | M | Calvert Hall (Md.) | Ohio State
Quentin Matsui | D | Eden Prairie (Minn.) | Virginia
Will Frisoli | D | St. Sebastian's (Mass.) | Duke
Scott Bower | D | Episcopal Dallas (Texas) | Virginia
Conor Calderone | FO | Smithtown West (N.Y.) | Maryland
Canyon Birch | A | Manasquan (N.J.) | Penn State
Ryan Schriber | D | Wilton (Conn.) | Michigan
JJ Sillstrop | A | La Costa Canyon (Calif.) | Denver
Liam Entenmann | G | Chaminade (N.Y.) | Notre Dame
Robert Schain | A | Bullis (Md.) | Penn
Logan McNaney | G | Salisbury (Conn.) | Maryland
Josh Zawada | A | Hill Academy (Ont.) | Michigan
Patrick Hackler | M | Skaneateles (N.Y.) | Yale
Let's hope Petrakis lives up to the high school honors. We need a real FOGO.
Petterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Quote from: Al DeFlorioPetterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioPetterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?
It's more of an opportunity to spit in the face of cynics who, frustrated with their own lives of shattered dreams, refuse to allow others to explore and profit from their human potential.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioPetterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?
It's more of an opportunity to spit in the face of cynics who, frustrated with their own lives of shattered dreams, refuse to allow others to explore and profit from their human potential.
Ah. The date rapist one. Got it.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioPetterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?
It's more of an opportunity to spit in the face of cynics who, frustrated with their own lives of shattered dreams, refuse to allow others to explore and profit from their human potential.
Oh snap!
Fallball scrimmage today against Maryland. Reports from the forum at fanlax.com:
Quote from: Velvet.FogBeautiful day at St. Anthony's. Full recap to come - but had overall score at Cor 15 MD 13. MD came out fast and led 6-2 after 1Q. Cornell won a strong Q2 by 7-2. Halftime: Cor 9 MD 8.
Third quarter was 4-3 Cornell. Some key starters (Teat, Irelan and Piatelli) pulled with 9 minutes left in Q3. Same on MD side. Q4 was tied at 2. All starters pulled by Q4.
Both teams pretty sharp. FOs were pretty even. Maybe slight edge to Cornell. Goalie play strong - particularly Chase Ierlan.
More to come.
Quote from: RedIvyPetrakis didn't play today so hopefully FO's look stronger come spring.
Slow start but team looked good against good competition.... Long and Lombardi look like they will be big part of the offense this year.
Very good day.
Men's Lacrosse Reveals 2020 Schedule (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/11/21/mens-lacrosse-reveals-2020-schedule.aspx)
@ University at Albany
Feb 15 (Sat) 1:00 p.m.
@ Towson University
Feb 21 (Fri) 4:00 p.m.
vs High Point University
@ Baltimore, Md.
Feb 23 (Sun) 1:00 p.m.
@ Ohio State University
Mar 1 (Sun) 12:00 p.m.
vs Penn State University
@ Charlotte, N.C.
Mar 8 (Sun) 4:00 p.m.
Yale University
Mar 14 (Sat) 1:00 p.m.
@ University of Pennsylvania
Mar 21 (Sat) 2:00 p.m.
Colgate University
Mar 24 (Tue) 7:30 p.m.
@ Dartmouth College
Mar 28 (Sat)
Hanover, N.H. 1:00 p.m.
Hobart College
Mar 31 (Tue) 7:30 p.m.
Harvard University
Apr 4 (Sat) 1:00 p.m.
Syracuse University
Apr 7 (Tue) 7:30 p.m.
Brown University
Apr 18 (Sat) 3:00 p.m.
@ Princeton University
Apr 25 (Sat) 12:00 p.m.
Is there ever any thought in lacrosse of home and homes with "western" powers like Denver or Notre Dame? We seem to play the same schedule every year. I'd like us to be more like hockey and less like football. :-)
Quote from: TrotskyIs there ever any thought in lacrosse of home and homes with "western" powers like Denver or Notre Dame? We seem to play the same schedule every year. I'd like us to be more like hockey and less like football. :-)
we played at ND last year, but they aren't coming to Ithaca this year. It's possible we played them on Long Island the previous year as our "home" game, but I don't recall and don't have time right now to look into it.
That's a brutal early schedule. Good chance first seven games will be against top 10-15 ranked teams. My main beef is the Ivy rotation is the same each year. It would be nice if it varied some so we don't always get top 2 contenders as our first league games every year - but then there is only one cupcake in the league this year.
Quote from: TimVThat's a brutal early schedule. Good chance first seven games will be against top 10-15 ranked teams. My main beef is the Ivy rotation is the same each year. It would be nice if it varied some so we don't always get top 2 contenders as our first league games every year - but then there is only one cupcake in the league this year.
And of course it wasn't that long ago that Yale was a "cupcake," so starting off with them in Ivy play gave us a nice start. But no more.
Quote from: TimVThat's a brutal early schedule. Good chance first seven games will be against top 10-15 ranked teams.
Isn't High Point some tiny evangy loon college? How did they get good?
Edit: no, they're a much bigger (5k) and non-psychotic school. I was mixing them up with somebody else (Grove City probably).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: TimVThat's a brutal early schedule. Good chance first seven games will be against top 10-15 ranked teams.
Isn't High Point some tiny evangy loon college? How did they get good?
Edit: no, they're a much bigger (5k) and non-psychotic school. I was mixing them up with somebody else (Grove City probably).
High Point is a marketing driven school: A golf cart with your name greats a HS student visitor and family. The dorms are great. The academics are acceptable and families who have a student with a learning difference can, for a fee, pay for mandatory study and coaching sessions. There are also a lot of rules like no posters on the walls of common areas. The accept rate is around 80%. (Hobart is around 60%.)
Grove City is a Christian in very western PA that refuses federal grants so it can tell the feds and their rules such as Title IX to buzz off.
According to this article, (https://www.collegecrosse.com/2019/11/21/20976054/cornell-big-red-2020-mens-ncaa-college-lacrosse-schedule-ivy-league-jeff-teat-piatelli-donville-lax) we have one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country. If we don't get the automatic Ivy bid, we're going to have to earn our way into the tournament with some wins against strong non-league opponents.
Opener Feb. 15 at Albany. What's the indoor facility that's backup in case it snows? At this point, the hockey team could have 2 months of action left.
Hobart is March 30. Why? Hobart in recent years has been a less-challenging opponent, so why not use this game to open 2020?
Most of tough games are on the road. We start away from home (2/21 to 3/8) with Albany, High Point, Ohio State, Penn State. Also on the road for Penn and Princeton. All of them are potential top 20, even HP. Only home games vs. likely top-20s (per NCAA.com) are Yale and Syracuse: 2 of 14 games. Brutal. (This poll has Cornell 11th.) I hope the team bus has good Wifi so they can keep up with classwork.
Colgate is back, which is good. Lehigh is out, which was a decent and challenging game against a nearby team that could be top-20 just not every year. The be-decent-to-NYS-lax game against St. Bona is fortunately a one-timer and done; I hope they paid a good travel honorarium.
Suddenly someone'll say, like, "plate," or "shrimp," or "plate of shrimp" out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconsciousness (https://www.wect.com/2019/11/22/student-captures-photo-deer-being-butchered-nc-nail-salon/).
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: TimVThat's a brutal early schedule. Good chance first seven games will be against top 10-15 ranked teams.
Isn't High Point some tiny evangy loon college? How did they get good?
Edit: no, they're a much bigger (5k) and non-psychotic school. I was mixing them up with somebody else (Grove City probably).
High Point is a marketing driven school: A golf cart with your name greats a HS student visitor and family. The dorms are great. The academics are acceptable and families who have a student with a learning difference can, for a fee, pay for mandatory study and coaching sessions. There are also a lot of rules like no posters on the walls of common areas. The accept rate is around 80%. (Hobart is around 60%.)
Grove City is a Christian in very western PA that refuses federal grants so it can tell the feds and their rules such as Title IX to buzz off.
High Point is basically a resort for rich kids who lack brain cells.
Quote from: CU2007High Point is basically a resort for rich kids who lack brain cells.
Leave Dartmouth out of this.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007High Point is basically a resort for rich kids who lack brain cells.
Leave Dartmouth out of this.
Nice
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Let's hope Petrakis lives up to the high school honors. We need a real FOGO.
+1
December assessment has Cornell ranked #12 in the Inside Lacrosse Top 20 photo slideshow.
The word on Cornell is here: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/2020-face-off-yearbook-mens-division-i-top-20/104?slide=8
Quote from: Inside LacrosseThe Big Red will go as far as their defense and FOGO. Remember, they were preseason No. 5 in 2019 with superstar Jeff Teat and didn't make the NCAA Tournament because of defensive issues.
The story from the top: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/2020-face-off-yearbook-mens-division-i-top-20/104?slide=all
1 Virginia (2019 champion over Yale)
2 Penn State (lost to Yale in semis)
3 Yale
4 Maryland
5 Penn
Inside Lacrosse published Face-Off Yearbook's Preseason Men's D1 Media All-Americans. One Cornellian made the Third Team: Jeff Teat. Honorable mentions for Connor Fletcher and Brandon Salvatore.
OTOH, other Ivy selections include 5 from Yale (one on each of the first 3 teams plus two HM's), 3 from Penn (1st, 2nd, & 3), 2 from Princeton (1st & 2nd team), & 1 HM from Brown. Dartmouth & Harvard had none.
you can get cornell at 50-1 for the field bet if you can find it and are so inclined in vegas..
IL (http://www.insidelacross.com) just named PSU the preseason #1 pick.
My stomach hurts when I think of how Tambroni got away (https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2010/06/jeff_tambroni_leaves_cornell_t.html).
Quote from: SwampyIL (http://www.insidelacross.com) just named PSU the preseason #1 pick.
My stomach hurts when I think of how Tambroni got away (https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2010/06/jeff_tambroni_leaves_cornell_t.html).
What's the story on this? Did he see PSU as the better chance at a national title?
PSU made a commitment to upgrading their lax program, and made him a great offer. That his wife is a PSU alum didn't hurt.
PSU took money to create good hockey Lacrosse money.. Cornell takes money to build a college 200 miles from campus and then spend every free dollar to upgrade it and not actually spend money on the real campus.
Quote from: upprdeckCornell takes money to build a college 200 miles from campus and then spend every free dollar to upgrade it and not actually spend money on the real campus.
That campus is going to return so much grant money those decision makers will retire very, very, very rich.
I wouldn't be surprised if
all of CU Engineering vacates Ithaca someday. (Good. We can go back to being an Arts & Ag school. Plow under the Eng quad and replant the trees). Cornell Tech is going to be a license to 3D print money like only Stanford has seen. It's going to come in handy when we yank their tax-exempt status.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckCornell takes money to build a college 200 miles from campus and then spend every free dollar to upgrade it and not actually spend money on the real campus.
That campus is going to return so much grant money those decision makers will retire very, very, very rich.
I wouldn't be surprised if all of CU Engineering vacates Ithaca someday. (Good. We can go back to being an Arts & Ag school. Plow under the Eng quad and replant the trees). Cornell Tech is going to be a license to 3D print money like only Stanford has seen. It's going to come in handy when we yank their tax-exempt status.
I'm not sure if this was said in jest, but if not can you point me in the direction of something useful regarding the tax-exempt debate? Something I've always wondered about
Quote from: TrotskyI wouldn't be surprised if all of CU Engineering vacates Ithaca someday. (Good. We can go back to being an Arts & Ag school. Plow under the Eng quad and replant the trees).
Some trees would be good, but it would also be a great location for a full size football/lacrosse/soccer indoor facility.::bolt::
Quote from: TimVQuote from: TrotskyI wouldn't be surprised if all of CU Engineering vacates Ithaca someday. (Good. We can go back to being an Arts & Ag school. Plow under the Eng quad and replant the trees).
Some trees would be good, but it would also be a great location for a full size football/lacrosse/soccer indoor facility.::bolt::
It would sure add importance to that long time rivalry with Columbia ::rolleyes::
how does grant money really help the college? a small amount is kept, but research money doesnt really stay all that local for alot of this stuff.. it does pad the Profs salary though.
Quote from: upprdeckhow does grant money really help the college? a small amount is kept, but research money doesnt really stay all that local for alot of this stuff.. it does pad the Profs salary though.
You're right about grant money leaking out of the local economy. But this is far more likely in Ithaca than, say, New York City.
The amounts that pad faculty salaries are not that much. Grant money for salaries usually goes either for "release time," which buys out teaching obligations to free time up for research, or it goes for summer salary (and possibly winter if Cornell considers faculty off rather than employed during winter break). Release time substitutes but doesn't add to the salary. Summer salary is typically 25% to 33% of the usual 9-month academic year salary. So yeah, if a prof is making $100K per year, summer salary can make it $133K instead: substantial as a percentage increase, but hardly Jeff Bezos territory.
Lots of universities will use the money they save on salaries bought out for release time to hire graduate students, ABD's, and post-docs at a fraction of the Prof's salary. So universities love that because they can save big bucks by not having to pay regular faculty rates, in addition to collecting lots of overhead money.
Most grant money goes to equipment, graduate students, and the occasional postdoc or research scientist. If a center or some other organizational unit is involved, a good chunk might go to clerical & professional staff, and the like.
Then again, Cornell itself probably takes a substantial cut. E.g., suppose Cornell's federally approved overhead rate is 50%, which means on any grant's direct costs, overhead is an additional 50%. So a grant for $1 million in direct costs would bring in $1.5 mil. Now at most serious research universities this would be split something like the following: 50% to the university for heating, lighting, university police, maintenance, and other things not directly connected to the research; 50% of the remainder, or $250K in this example, to the prof's college, for similar stuff at the college level (e.g. clerical staff), and the remaining 25% would go to the prof's department for things like computers used for both teaching & research (which can't be treated as a direct cost because they're not dedicated solely to the individual research project). And at most serious research universities, the department will split its share of overhead with the P.I., who might then use it for things like travel to conferences, special computer equipment, books, etc.: stuff that's not necessarily related to the research per se, although it often is for things that can be used for both teaching and the research (e.g., lab equipment or a portable projector). Most universities don't allow individual profs to pay themselves out of overhead, especially since that's something funding agencies are willing to pay for. OTOH, it might be that a college, for example, is particularly interested in developing a track record in a certain kind of research and therefore use its overhead money to buy out certain professors' time or give new faculty members "start-up money." Or a university could use overhead to increase faculty salaries, in selected departments or across the board. But if so, the university better be sure the source of funds won't dry up; otherwise, it may have to raise tuition, etc. to pay for the new, higher salaries. Nonetheless, any grant monies paid as salary will typically replace another source or be confined to small-scale augmentation through summer salary and the like.
Of course, seminal research can lead to promotions and pay increases, but that's another story.
I'm glad we never have thread drift anymore.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: TrotskyI wouldn't be surprised if all of CU Engineering vacates Ithaca someday. (Good. We can go back to being an Arts & Ag school. Plow under the Eng quad and replant the trees).
Some trees would be good, but it would also be a great location for a full size football/lacrosse/soccer indoor facility.::bolt::
By the time this happens football will be illegal outside the slave states.
some of this is true.. over head is a bit off.. profs salary is not always a part of the grant depends on the prof and the research required.. roughl 70% of the money goes to staffing like grads.. 10-20 % for materials 10-20% for supplies . also a million dollar grant could be 1-5 yrs or so so when you break that down by yr its way less than it seems when you factor in 70-80K for a grad student.
then add travel/conferences and everything adds up.
but overhead doesnt really add all that much to the campus if you take even 50% spread over 5 yrs thats 100k a yr. by the time you add cost of doing the overhead its pretty much a zero sum game and in some cases the overhead actually costs more than the grants..
the big issue is that the endowment is taking a hit.. some of the big hitters are earmarking funds to NYC and the central campus is actually getting less money than ever and overhead of the start up is really killing some budgets.
Quote from: scoop85I'm glad we never have thread drift anymore.
There's no chance for drifts with so many plow drivers.
Quote from: scoop85I'm glad we never have thread drift anymore.
But what amazing thread drift. Actually a useful discussion about grant funding, how much covers overhead, how much overhead there is.
The drift raised an interesting question about whether money going to Cornell Tech in NYC is stripping the Ithaca campus bare of alumni donor dollars. The big donation for Cornell Tech was all the money of our lifetime we spent on duty free liquor in the DuFry airport stores of Chuck Feeney '56, who then turned around and through his Atlantic Philanthropies gave ~ $1B back to Cornell, of which $350M was the seed money for Cornell Tech. He also gave away $7B to non-Cornell good works. (So is Cornell happy to see $1B, or pissed at getting shafted on the other $7B?)
Sort of like thread drift: I like also that Feeney worked it out so Atlantic Philanthropies gave all the money during his lifetime and there's no chance of mission drift, where the donor's wishes wind up being twisted by future charity trustees. Princeton got hammered in a lawsuit a decade ago where money donated by the A&P heirs (about 6% of Princeton's total endowment) that was intended to prepare Woodrow Wilson School students for government service. The Wall Street Journal edit page people were all over this one because to them it was another example of a grant being twisted toward more liberal / progressive uses once the university got its hands on the cash. Princeton maintains it did no wrong but still it gave back $100M. WSJ story (not editorial): https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122892333131594827
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85I'm glad we never have thread drift anymore.
Sort of like thread drift: I like also that Feeney worked it out so Atlantic Philanthropies gave all the money during his lifetime and there's no chance of mission drift,
RPI had their version of this too. Except that their big donor decided to give the money to St. Elsewhere (https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/RPI-professor-Heinrich-Medicus-dies-at-age-99-10964259.php).::yark::
(I really admired Dr. Medicus for giving the over 10 million outright rather than setting up a foundation with its requisite banker-attorney-trustee yearly vig.)
First day practice at Bartels. (I think that's Bartels.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8C02NMJyKg/
is it bartels doesnt look right to me?
They had scrimmages yesterday vs. D3 Cortland and York at the Pinnacle Athletic Campus in Victor, NY according to the Cornell thread at FanLax
Quote from: mike1960First day practice at Bartels. (I think that's Bartels.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8C02NMJyKg/
Duke and Virginia have probably played 5 games now before the Ivies start up.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mike1960First day practice at Bartels. (I think that's Bartels.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8C02NMJyKg/
Duke and Virginia have probably played 5 games now before the Ivies start up.
This is the business we have chosen.
#7 Duke lost to Air Force yesterday. (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/dodd-host-star-in-air-force-s-14-13-upset-win-vs-duke/55885?utm_source=Inside+Lacrosse+Fastbreak+Newsletter&utm_campaign=27110267e8-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_06_06_12_34_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_92eedbe203-27110267e8-56173245)
So it begins....
Quote from: Swampy#7 Duke lost to Air Force yesterday. (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/dodd-host-star-in-air-force-s-14-13-upset-win-vs-duke/55885?utm_source=Inside+Lacrosse+Fastbreak+Newsletter&utm_campaign=27110267e8-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_06_06_12_34_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_92eedbe203-27110267e8-56173245)
So it begins....
There's no panic in Durham. Duke lacrosse always starts slow. They have a plan for the year and know how to finish strong.
Quote from: mike1960First day practice at Bartels. (I think that's Bartels.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8C02NMJyKg/
Maybe it's James. :-) (For those old enough to remember 80's TV commercials)
Quote from: cth95Quote from: mike1960First day practice at Bartels. (I think that's Bartels.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8C02NMJyKg/
Maybe it's James. :-) (For those old enough to remember 80's TV commercials)
Bert & I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIJBUZm1HoY&list=PLRyPlKsdJWgKMI7hVTMyKGurOO8tI6Sek) should have sued those fuckers into penury.
two opponents on espn+ now: colgate v syracuse https://www.espn.com/watch/player?id=252917dc-8369-45a8-8a98-cd285417c584
'Cuse currently up 5-3 early in Q2
Quote from: ugartetwo opponents on espn+ now: colgate v syracuse https://www.espn.com/watch/player?id=252917dc-8369-45a8-8a98-cd285417c584
'Cuse currently up 5-3 early in Q2
Colgate has not had possession since I posted this and Syracuse is now up 8-3. Under 2:30 has elapsed.
Quote from: ugartetwo opponents on espn+ now: colgate v syracuse https://www.espn.com/watch/player?id=252917dc-8369-45a8-8a98-cd285417c584
'Cuse currently up 5-3 early in Q2
If you need to see more lacrosse (as I do), Manhattan is playing Navy and it's available via webcast.
https://watchstadium.com/live/manhattan-at-navy/
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mike1960First day practice at Bartels. (I think that's Bartels.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8C02NMJyKg/
Duke and Virginia have probably played 5 games now before the Ivies start up.
Just saw a game at the Marquette Atheletic Dome in Milwaukee. Not the greatest in terms of seating space and lighting but certainly not bad to have a 60 degree place to practice and play in early February. 3.6 million. I think Cornell might have that much laying around.
https://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/marquette-new-seasonal-dome-recruiting.html
Got this email today from Albany athletics folks:
"We are planning on streaming the game on the ESPN platform, but the have not told us if it will be on ESPN3 or ESPN+ yet. We will update the links on our website as soon as they let us know."
Quote from: Al DeFlorioGot this email today from Albany athletics folks:
"We are planning on streaming the game on the ESPN platform, but the have not told us if it will be on ESPN3 or ESPN+ yet. We will update the links on our website as soon as they let us know."
i think espn3 is free with an espn account but espn+ is the paid service. if you have + there's no difference.
watchespn is only free if you have a tv service that provides it. Most of the major ones do.
Looks like it will be espn+.
Three penalties first six minutes vs. Albany.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioThree penalties first six minutes vs. Albany.
Tim Graham's been doing a nice job as FOGO so far. Chase Ierlan has been solid. The slide defense has been terrific, esp. on Nanticoke. They're taking too many shots from outside. A little more patience for the good shot might work better.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioThree penalties first six minutes vs. Albany.
Tim Graham's been doing a nice job as FOGO so far. Chase Ierlan has been solid. The slide defense has been terrific, esp. on Nanticoke. They're taking too many shots from outside. A little more patience for the good shot might work better.
I'm watching the wrestling against Binghamton but needless to say that after the general negativity I was surprised to see that the halftime score is Cornell 7, Albany 3.
7-3 at the half. Team looking quite impressive for the first game of the season. Not a lot to criticize.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioThree penalties first six minutes vs. Albany.
Tim Graham's been doing a nice job as FOGO so far. Chase Ierlan has been solid. The slide defense has been terrific, esp. on Nanticoke. They're taking too many shots from outside. A little more patience for the good shot might work better.
I'm watching the wrestling against Binghamton but needless to say that after the general negativity I was surprised to see that the halftime score is Cornell 7, Albany 3.
They've played well so far. It's nice hearing a lot of familiar names. It feels like this is a good veteran team.
Cornell completely dominating, winning every faceoff, scoring at will. Now 14-3 with 5 min to go in the 3rd
19-10 final.
Quote from: CU77Cornell completely dominating, winning every faceoff, scoring at will. Now 14-3 with 5 min to go in the 3rd
Teat did not have a high-scoring game and he wasn't locked off, but he team still scored a lot of goals. I think this bodes well for the season when other players create opportunities and take advantage of them. Michael Long, the freshman, looked really good in X. He forced a couple of passes and turned the ball over, but for his first game I think he did well. The defense kind of let down in the fourth and didn't press on the outside shots. Also, the defense allowed a couple of back door and front door scores. This was an issue last year as well. Those are slam dunks and cry for a solution. It's hard to say how well Raz, Tim Graham, and Petrakis, the freshman, performed at FOGO. I have a feeling the Albany FOGOs are not that strong. We'll see in future games. Great start for the season! Here we go again!
14 or 15 goals scored by middies/FoGo. That works for me, especially when people think Teat is our main weapon.
teat had 1-4 but we had like 1 assist on the first 10+ goals so the numbers were gonna be low.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '8214 or 15 goals scored by middies/FoGo. That works for me, especially when people think Teat is our main weapon.
Best collection of middies we've had in years. We have two legit midfield lines, and another excellent player, Joe Wolf, who was out today. Once Long gets better acclimated and the attack begins to click, watch out.
Agree that Albany's FOGO situation looks bad, but all of our guys did a solid job. No real quibble with the defense until the game was out of hand; Albany has some weapons, and they were largely neutralized when it mattered. And Ierlan made a number of big saves while the game was still a contest.
Very encouraging start, although there's some sloppiness that you would expect for a season opener.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '8214 or 15 goals scored by middies/FoGo. That works for me, especially when people think Teat is our main weapon.
Best collection of middies we've had in years. We have two legit midfield lines, and another excellent player, Joe Wolf, who was out today. Once Long gets better acclimated and the attack begins to click, watch out.
Agree that Albany's FOGO situation looks bad, but all of our guys did a solid job. No real quibble with the defense until the game was out of hand; Albany has some weapons, and they were largely neutralized when it mattered. And Ierlan made a number of big saves while the game was still a contest.
Very encouraging start, although there's some sloppiness that you would expect for a season opener.
I wondered why I didn't see Wolf's name. He's an Allentown kid, and I'm looking for good things from him.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '8214 or 15 goals scored by middies/FoGo. That works for me, especially when people think Teat is our main weapon.
Best collection of middies we've had in years. We have two legit midfield lines, and another excellent player, Joe Wolf, who was out today. Once Long gets better acclimated and the attack begins to click, watch out.
Agree that Albany's FOGO situation looks bad, but all of our guys did a solid job. No real quibble with the defense until the game was out of hand; Albany has some weapons, and they were largely neutralized when it mattered. And Ierlan made a number of big saves while the game was still a contest.
Very encouraging start, although there's some sloppiness that you would expect for a season opener.
I wondered why I didn't see Wolf's name. He's an Allentown kid, and I'm looking for good things from him.
I believe Wolf did actually get some time later in the game.
I was really glad I could watch the game on ESPN+. But the extreme homer announcer really put me off. If I'm paying for a streaming sports channel, I expect more professionalism.
OTOH, I learned something. I learned that Albany's campus, with its Rockefeller-era architectural brutalism that ranks #12 among the 50 ugliest campuses in the U.S. (https://www.complex.com/style/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/suny-albany), is "beautiful" in some eyes.
but you dont pay for a professional feed, you pay to get the home teams feed most of the time.. paying for a professional feed wont get it done for $5 a month. At that cost its basically free but they get some tracking info to use.
Quote from: SwampyI was really glad I could watch the game on ESPN+. But the extreme homer announcer really put me off. If I'm paying for a streaming sports channel, I expect more professionalism.
OTOH, I learned something. I learned that Albany's campus, with its Rockefeller-era architectural brutalism that ranks #12 among the 50 ugliest campuses in the U.S. (https://www.complex.com/style/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/suny-albany), is "beautiful" in some eyes.
Yeah, and he actually said "Albany's beautiful campus" twice during the telecast.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyI was really glad I could watch the game on ESPN+. But the extreme homer announcer really put me off. If I'm paying for a streaming sports channel, I expect more professionalism.
OTOH, I learned something. I learned that Albany's campus, with its Rockefeller-era architectural brutalism that ranks #12 among the 50 ugliest campuses in the U.S. (https://www.complex.com/style/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/suny-albany), is "beautiful" in some eyes.
Yeah, and he actually said "Albany's beautiful campus" twice during the telecast.
It worked as irony.
As a HS senior, I visited Albany and Binghamton both in raging snowstorms. Every building at Albany seemed, in the snow, to be sixties-modern marble or concrete of no distinction, and in the library every student seemed to be asleep. I remember wondering, Are they tired or stoned? Still, those two along with Stony Brook and Buffalo (and Geneseo as the honors college) keep NYS competitive when you tabulate best state university systems. Plus SUNY Cornell.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyI was really glad I could watch the game on ESPN+. But the extreme homer announcer really put me off. If I'm paying for a streaming sports channel, I expect more professionalism.
OTOH, I learned something. I learned that Albany's campus, with its Rockefeller-era architectural brutalism that ranks #12 among the 50 ugliest campuses in the U.S. (https://www.complex.com/style/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/suny-albany), is "beautiful" in some eyes.
Yeah, and he actually said "Albany's beautiful campus" twice during the telecast.
It worked as irony.
As a HS senior, I visited Albany and Binghamton both in raging snowstorms. Every building at Albany seemed, in the snow, to be sixties-modern marble or concrete of no distinction
The old joke was the four SUNYs (Buffalo, Binghamton, Stony Brook, Albany) were identical campuses rendered in four different building materials (marble, concrete, brick, and something else I dunno maybe sandstone?). I've happily forgotten the mapping.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyI was really glad I could watch the game on ESPN+. But the extreme homer announcer really put me off. If I'm paying for a streaming sports channel, I expect more professionalism.
OTOH, I learned something. I learned that Albany's campus, with its Rockefeller-era architectural brutalism that ranks #12 among the 50 ugliest campuses in the U.S. (https://www.complex.com/style/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/suny-albany), is "beautiful" in some eyes.
Yeah, and he actually said "Albany's beautiful campus" twice during the telecast.
It worked as irony.
As a HS senior, I visited Albany and Binghamton both in raging snowstorms. Every building at Albany seemed, in the snow, to be sixties-modern marble or concrete of no distinction, and in the library every student seemed to be asleep. I remember wondering, Are they tired or stoned? Still, those two along with Stony Brook and Buffalo (and Geneseo as the honors college) keep NYS competitive when you tabulate best state university systems. Plus SUNY Cornell.
I think they've done this by putting money into academics instead of campus beautification or factory-like athletics.
FWIW, the victory over Albany moves us up from #12 to #11 (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2020).
And we won 65.6% of faceoffs.
Towson - Cornell available on a webcast.
https://www.ftfnext.com/lsn
Looks like Chayse is having a little trouble seeing the ball today. I wonder if the sun is bothering him. Scores from 10 yards plus.
The freshman Michael Long - Three minutes, three scores in a row!
Really need Chayse to step it up.. Can't be saving at zero % for that long a stretch against the better teams.
Petrakis is emerging as the best stick on the faceoffs, but he struggles sometimes after he wins the ball. D1 scrums are vicious places to be. He'll get it figured out with experience, I'm sure.
Cornell 5 goals each of the first 3 periods, Towson 3-3-2 and then 2-2 i Q4 to give Cornell a 17-10 win. John Piatelli and freshman Michael Long 4G apiece.
Won faceoffs 21-10.
Outshot Towson 30-18.
Did not score on EMO (0x1 vs Towson 1x1).
Chayse Ierlan 6 saves, 9GA. Bullen played the last 5 minutes.
Middies got 8 goals including 3 by Connor Fletcher, one by FOGO Paul Rasimowicz off a first quarter faceooff.
Jeff Teat 1G on 4 shots, 1A.
Play High Point Sunday 12 noon in Baltimore at Calvert Hall HS. Then TOSU next Sunday in Columbus.
I watched Yale v. Penn State. Those are two talented, well-coached, and very physical teams. Cornell will have to play their best games against those two to be successful.
Not to mention Princeton, which today took down the defending national champs (Virginia) at their home field.
Nice game today.. 21-11 i think.
Good games for Long and Teat and Piatelli.
Took way to many Penalties though 5-10 on the man down kills is not gonna be a stat that works against better teams.
Quote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
yep. any idea why this was a neutral site game?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
yep. any idea why this was a neutral site game?
Probably to fit the schedule and save travel costs for both teams. High Point Plays UVa on Tuesday, and they're probably not driving home just to double back 200 miles to UVa. So why not squeeze in an extra game?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
yep. any idea why this was a neutral site game?
Probably to fit the schedule and save travel costs for both teams. High Point Plays UVa on Tuesday, and they're probably not driving home just to double back 200 miles to UVa. So why not squeeze in an extra game?
Also never hurts to play in a recruiting hotbed.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
yep. any idea why this was a neutral site game?
The High Point web site (https://highpointpanthers.com/news/2020/2/22/mens-lacrosse-panthers-face-12-cornell-at-calvert-hall.aspx) says that
QuoteThe High Point University men's lacrosse team (1-2) kicks off a two-game road trip starting on Sunday (Feb. 23) at the alma mater of Jon Torpey, PJ Peters, and Trey Smith Calvert Hall in Baltimore, Md. Calvert Hall will be the neutral stage where High Point will matchup against #12 Cornell (2-0) at noon.
The HPU stadium looks pretty good. https://highpointpanthers.com/sports/2009/8/4/fac_0804091218.aspx
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
yep. any idea why this was a neutral site game?
Probably to fit the schedule and save travel costs for both teams. High Point Plays UVa on Tuesday, and they're probably not driving home just to double back 200 miles to UVa. So why not squeeze in an extra game?
That's what the announcers were saying on Friday. Since they are both in the area, why not play a game. Also, they speculated that Cornell needs quality wins so they can avoid what happened last year.
I listened to the game. It sounded like Raz took most of the faceoffs and did a great job. A lot of Cornell penalties, though, from out-of-control sticks. And one non-releasable from the bench. I wonder what that was about.
Quote from: mike1960And one non-releasable from the bench. I wonder what that was about.
From what I could gather, it sounded as if the coaches might have been upset about a non-call against HPU.
Quote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
Good games for Long and Teat and Piatelli.
Took way to many Penalties though 5-10 on the man down kills is not gonna be a stat that works against better teams.
You may be too cynical. Pot is half empty, pot is half full:
Quote from: CornellBigRed.comAs for High Point, the Panthers only scored six, six-on-six goals for the entire contest. Cornell did struggle with penalties over the course of the game, being called for 10 penalties that resulted in 9:30 of man-up time for High Point. This is when the Panthers had its greatest offensive production, but Cornell still managed to hold High Point to 5-of-10 on man-up opportunities. The Big Red capitalized in man-up situations on Sunday, scoring four goals on six man-up chances.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
Good games for Long and Teat and Piatelli.
Took way to many Penalties though 5-10 on the man down kills is not gonna be a stat that works against better teams.
You may be too cynical. Pot is half empty, pot is half full:
Quote from: CornellBigRed.comAs for High Point, the Panthers only scored six, six-on-six goals for the entire contest. Cornell did struggle with penalties over the course of the game, being called for 10 penalties that resulted in 9:30 of man-up time for High Point. This is when the Panthers had its greatest offensive production, but Cornell still managed to hold High Point to 5-of-10 on man-up opportunities. The Big Red capitalized in man-up situations on Sunday, scoring four goals on six man-up chances.
Engineer's response: I think we have twice as much pot as we need.
Credit Dilbert, not me.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckNice game today.. 21-11 i think.
Good games for Long and Teat and Piatelli.
Took way to many Penalties though 5-10 on the man down kills is not gonna be a stat that works against better teams.
You may be too cynical. Pot is half empty, pot is half full:
Quote from: CornellBigRed.comAs for High Point, the Panthers only scored six, six-on-six goals for the entire contest. Cornell did struggle with penalties over the course of the game, being called for 10 penalties that resulted in 9:30 of man-up time for High Point. This is when the Panthers had its greatest offensive production, but Cornell still managed to hold High Point to 5-of-10 on man-up opportunities. The Big Red capitalized in man-up situations on Sunday, scoring four goals on six man-up chances.
Engineer's response: I think we have twice as much pot as we need.
Credit Dilbert, not me.
+1
Cornell #3 in the Massey ratings:
https://www.masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
wins over #26, #29 and #36. not popping bottles yet. 3-0 is nice though.
At least it wasn't struggling wins.
SU all pumped after beating Bingo/Colgate and then coming back to beat Army who lost to Marist by 10
Quint Kessenich (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-new-no-1-ivy-climbing-and-moving-on-from-upsets/56028) has 4 Ivies in the top ten. We're #7, behind Yale (#1) and Princeton (#5), and ahead of Penn (#9).
Quote from: Kessenich says of CornellThey've radically improved the face-off department.
The Big Red have an eclectic offense; each of their premier players (Teat, Donville, Piatelli, Long, Fletcher, Telesco, Licciardi, Lombardi) has an entirely different skill set.
(https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-men-s-di-media-poll-yale-new-no-1-princeton-north-carolina-make-big-leaps/56030)
Quote from: Maverik Media PollPuts us at #10, with Yale (#1), Princeton (#8), and Penn (#9) ahead of us. Our opponent next weekend, Ohio State, is #18.
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Wow! A league that puts 4/7 teams in the top ten ain't chopped liver. But we sure have our work cut out for us if we want to dance in late May.
Quote from: ugartewins over #26, #29 and #36. not popping bottles yet. 3-0 is nice though.
Yale plays at Cornell 1 pm Saturday, March 14, same as the ECAC hockey quarterfnals in Ithaca. Road trip!
Quote from: CU77Cornell #3 in the Massey ratings:
https://www.masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
Even better in the Massey Ferguson ratings.
But the better Cornell does, the more likely some Big Ten school with greater visions of grandeur will want to hand Millman a fatter paycheck. We're almost the cradle of lacrosse coaches.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: ugartewins over #26, #29 and #36. not popping bottles yet. 3-0 is nice though.
Yale plays at Cornell 1 pm Saturday, March 14, same as the ECAC hockey quarterfnals in Ithaca. Road trip!
Great. Always love an afternoon lacrosse game followed by drying off and warming up next to Lynah ice.::rock::
Quote from: TimVQuote from: billhowardQuote from: ugartewins over #26, #29 and #36. not popping bottles yet. 3-0 is nice though.
Yale plays at Cornell 1 pm Saturday, March 14, same as the ECAC hockey quarterfnals in Ithaca. Road trip!
Great. Always love an afternoon lacrosse game followed by drying off and warming up next to Lynah ice.::rock::
Recall life before you could hang out (now: hang) in Bartels between periods where it is warm.
Yes and No- Harvard was able to get Gerry Byrne, the former Notre Dame defensive coordinator-Other teams had been after him for years. Yale has been able to keep Andy Shay despite other schools coming after him (His contract was just renewed last year). Point is not every Ivy coach is not looking to ACC or Big Ten.
Quote from: rss77Yes and No- Harvard was able to get Gerry Byrne, the former Notre Dame defensive coordinator-Other teams had been after him for years. Yale has been able to keep Andy Shay despite other schools coming after him (His contract was just renewed last year). Point is not every Ivy coach is not looking to ACC or Big Ten.
Meanwhile in Ithaca, our head coaches of the past two decades:
Dave Pietremala, Cornell to Hopkins (Big Ten)
Jeff Tambroni, Cornell to Penn State (Big Ten)
Ben DeLuca, Cornell to gone to Duke to Harvard (asst) to Delaware (HC)
Matt Kerwick, Cornell to IMG Academy (Big Time)*
Peter Millman, Cornell now third season HC
Andy Shay being at Yale 17 seasons doesn't offset our coaching churn.
* Matt Kerwick seems to have gone laterally (?) since his time at IMG: From IMG director of lacrosse (summer 2017) to Tampa Preparatory School and Tampa Snooks / Sweetlax regional program (August 2019).
UMass beat Yale 13-10.
thats a shocker i think.
cornell line down to 1.5 tomorrow
Quote from: upprdeckthats a shocker i think.
cornell line down to 1.5 tomorrow
I'm surprised about the line. The Ohio State hasn't looked that great this year.
It would be nice to win ONE faceoff against Ohio State.
Quote from: mike1960It would be nice to win ONE faceoff against Ohio State.
So we go to the long pole on faceoff and must concede the possession and hope for a turnover. Really disappointing.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: mike1960It would be nice to win ONE faceoff against Ohio State.
So we go to the long pole on faceoff and must concede the possession and hope for a turnover. Really disappointing.
Yeah, way too soon for that. Most of the faceoff losses have been off ground ball play, not off the clamp. I'd stick with Raz and Petrakis for now.
We need to win some faceoffs and have our goalie make more saves (giving up 5 goals while making 2 saves isn't a good percentage).
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Quote from: mike1960It would be nice to win ONE faceoff against Ohio State.
So we go to the long pole on faceoff and must concede the possession and hope for a turnover. Really disappointing.
Yeah, way too soon for that. Most of the faceoff losses have been off ground ball play, not off the clamp. I'd stick with Raz and Petrakis for now.
Agreed. Wing play has been disappointing
Major coaching shot clock screw up by Ohio State.
Really bizarre scoreline given the way that half played out.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Quote from: mike1960It would be nice to win ONE faceoff against Ohio State.
So we go to the long pole on faceoff and must concede the possession and hope for a turnover. Really disappointing.
Yeah, way too soon for that. Most of the faceoff losses have been off ground ball play, not off the clamp. I'd stick with Raz and Petrakis for now.
I agree. More Petrakis than Raz, IMO. Let the freshman get battle worn even if it means he loses a lot. We're not doing that great with anyone else.
We're losing on faceoffs 19-4 but are ahead by 4 goals. Imagine if we could win half of the faceoffs? Chase has played much better in goal after slow start, too.
Quote from: dbilmesWe're losing on faceoffs 19-4 but are ahead by 4 goals. Imagine if we could win half of the faceoffs? Chase has played much better in goal after slow start, too.
We had a year to get this fixed. Didn't do it.
Gotta hold onto the ball when we have it. Two loose passes.
Not great shot selection by Fletcher.
I've now trained myself to just assume that we're winning when I see so much complaining on this thread.
CU held on, 17-16.
really surprised with all the penalties they didnt call any of the pushes on the few faceoffs we were coming out with and that just added to the issues getting the ball
sloppy 4th when we had the game put away.
Quote from: upprdeckreally surprised with all the penalties they didnt call any of the pushes on the few faceoffs we were coming out with and that just added to the issues getting the ball
sloppy 4th when we had the game put away.
Terrible/questionable clock management and shot selection, too. 5 min left, up by 4, and you're gonna throw an unscreened ball into the keeper's breadbasket (no chance of a rebound or backup) with 50 seconds left on the shot clock? Pourquoi?
Quote from: RichHI've now trained myself to just assume that we're winning when I see so much complaining on this thread.
CU held on, 17-16.
When you lose 30 of 37 faceoffs, there's a reason to gripe. Reisman was a great, great player, but is he doing enough with the coach's whistle?
Fortunately OSU gave us back the ball almost as many times as we lost the faceoff. But for their 25+ turnovers and poor man-up [or our great man-down defense], it might have been a very different game. In addition, their goaltender found his game in the second half -- maybe as late as the 4th quarter -- when he started making saves on some point blank shots. Chase's stats suggest that he may have had issues seeing the ball again. More saves in the second and fourth than in the first and third. OSU scored almost at will from outside in the first quarter.
good news is if we got to 50/50 on faceoffs we win by 10.. bad news is it might be much the same in many games this yr. I thought there were a bunch that were pretty neutral so there is hope.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: dbilmesWe're losing on faceoffs 19-4 but are ahead by 4 goals. Imagine if we could win half of the faceoffs? Chase has played much better in goal after slow start, too.
We had a year to get this fixed. Didn't do it.
COR OSU
Turnovers lost 9 25
Faceoffs won 7 30 Imagine how bad if Ohio State hadn't turned the ball over so much. (OSU won faceoffs in Q4 7-3 but turned it over 7-3.)
No matter how hard you work on your faceoffs, you may run into the upper limit of a FOGO's ability to improve.
We died a thousand deaths when TD Ierlan decide to transfer to Yale instead of Cornell.
We'll be at a big disadvantage against the very best FOGOs in the country. We're about to learn if that's 5, or 20 who are demonstrably better.
Teat getting free for 4G 2A is nice. Piatelli continues to roll, 5G 3A (and he's got a year left after this) while Michael Long wasn't his usual amazing (freshman self) with 2G 0A.
In addition to #1 Yale's loss to UMass, Penn State barely by #6 Penn 18-17 in OT. With Penn State on a non-releasable penalty, Penn got 2 last minute goals for the tie then lost on a failed clearing pass in OT. FWIW, Penn handled Penn State on faceoffs, 26-13.
I'd have to watch the game again, and even then the camera work may not show it, but it seemed to me the problem on the faceoffs was with the wings, not the FOGOs.
Also, our 2nd SS mids need to be more patient & humble. Be in front of your man, don't cross your feet, stay on your toes, and play stick-on-stick. If your man passes, you've won the battle. There's no need to try to steal the ball, especially when you're up 2-6 goals late in the game.
(FWIW, I fixed this post. Damn iPad autocorrect.)
Quote from: SwampyI'd have to watch the game again, and even then the camera work may no show it, but it seemed to me the problem on the faceoffs was with the wings, not the FOGOs.
Also, our 2nd SS mids need to be more patient & humble. Be in front of your man, don't crass your forfeit, stay on your toes, and play stick-on-stick.If your man passes, you've win the battle. There's no need to try to steal the ball.
Great point. There was one OSU scoring play from a face dodge that made Aiden Blake look like his cleats were glued to the floor. Stay in front!
OSu did a much better job after the initial faceoff on slashing sticks as we were about to get the ball and kicking the ball out to other people. you change just 4-5 of the faceoff and thats a 2-3 goal swing.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyI'd have to watch the game again, and even then the camera work may no show it, but it seemed to me the problem on the faceoffs was with the wings, not the FOGOs.
Also, our 2nd SS mids need to be more patient & humble. Be in front of your man, don't crass your forfeit, stay on your toes, and play stick-on-stick.If your man passes, you've win the battle. There's no need to try to steal the ball.
Great point. There was one OSU scoring play from a face dodge that made Aiden Blake look like his cleats were glued to the floor. Stay in front!
Yeah, Blake is a talented and athletic kid, but he's a freshman and it showed yesterday.
Quote from: upprdeckOSu did a much better job after the initial faceoff on slashing sticks as we were about to get the ball and kicking the ball out to other people. you change just 4-5 of the faceoff and thats a 2-3 goal swing.
That's how I saw it too. And OSU got away with a number of pushes of our guys off the FO.
Nice win over the weekend, but surprised to see Cornell jump from 10 all the way to 5 in the polls after squeaking one out
Quote from: CU2007Nice win over the weekend, but surprised to see Cornell jump from 10 all the way to 5 in the polls after squeaking one out
I think people see the undefeated record more than the details of the game. OTOH, everybody that we just jumped over has one loss, and in a couple cases that loss was just this weekend to either a low-ranked or unranked team.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Quote from: SwampyI'd have to watch the game again, and even then the camera work may no show it, but it seemed to me the problem on the faceoffs was with the wings, not the FOGOs.
Also, our 2nd SS mids need to be more patient & humble. Be in front of your man, don't crass your forfeit, stay on your toes, and play stick-on-stick.If your man passes, you've win the battle. There's no need to try to steal the ball.
Great point. There was one OSU scoring play from a face dodge that made Aiden Blake look like his cleats were glued to the floor. Stay in front!
Yeah, Blake is a talented and athletic kid, but he's a freshman and it showed yesterday.
Oh yes, one other fundamental about playing defensive midfield: Don't watch the stick, don't watch the head, don't watch the eyes: watch the center of the body and stay in front of it.
Your job is to stop your man from scoring, as your teammates' job is to do the same: trust your teammates.
of course if you watched the game we were up 16-11 late and let them make it close with 2-3 awful give aways and 2-3 open nets missed from inside 10 ft..
the OSU FO guy coming back makes them a much better team than the first few games.
Quote from: CU2007Nice win over the weekend, but surprised to see Cornell jump from 10 all the way to 5 in the polls after squeaking one out
The next three games will be the test.
First, very early, look at the NCAA tournament bubble. Interesting comment about the 2019 decision.
https://lacrossereference.com/2020/03/05/bubble-watch-week-5/?utm_source=Social&utm_content=ztclaxpower
Quote from: Al DeFlorioFirst, very early, look at the NCAA tournament bubble. Interesting comment about the 2019 decision.
https://lacrossereference.com/2020/03/05/bubble-watch-week-5/?utm_source=Social&utm_content=ztclaxpower
The committee, as always, will prioritize whichever criterion gets Hopkins into the tournament.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioFirst, very early, look at the NCAA tournament bubble. Interesting comment about the 2019 decision.
https://lacrossereference.com/2020/03/05/bubble-watch-week-5/?utm_source=Social&utm_content=ztclaxpower
Hopkins will still have a good spring season if only because they're in the thick of things in re COVID-19.
As I read it, Cornell is close to a lock on a 2020 tournament slot and yet because it could lose a couple Ivy games, maybe it's not. For Cornell, the games we lose will be to a top-ten team with a much-better-than-us faceoff operation (FOGO guy and the wings).
The Penn State game Saturday will make it clearer how far we can go.
Quote from: billhowardThe Penn State game Saturday will make it clearer how far we can go.
Sunday at 4
Penn and Villanova look like they're playing in the dark at Franklin Field. Cornell gets to do that on a Friday night.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardThe Penn State game Saturday will make it clearer how far we can go.
Sunday at 4
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Quote from: CU77Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardThe Penn State game Saturday will make it clearer how far we can go.
Sunday at 4
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Brown upset visiting Virginia 14-13 behind Phil Goss's 16 saves. Down 8-2, Brown scored seven straight.
I understand and appreciate old time lacrosse. I was taught: When the opponent take the ball in front of the crease, you lay him out. But the game has changed. That play has hurt the team more than once this year.
Eight straight and Cornell up 8-2 after one.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioEight straight and Cornell up 8-2 after one.
12-5 at the half
Angelo doing a great job. I like that he's been given the chance to get battle worn to see if he's up to it. It looks like he's up to the challenge.
What a third period turnaround for Penn State now that it's winning more faceoffs, closes to 13-12. Sheesh. 10 goal Cornell run first half answered by 7 for PSU. 13-12 Cornell going into the fourth.
WHAT A GAME
Winning goal by our FOGO Angelo Petrakis who failed to get off the field after Teat had tied it at 17 with :18 left & PSU won ensuing faceoff, then turned it over, and Petrakis scores with :08. LGR!
Why Penn State defended Teat with with a shortstick in the last half minute, bad call. Oh well. In the sequence the led to the tying goal, Cornell got a turnover, got the ball to Teat with ~:40 to play and a long pole on him, at :30 SS middie #19 junior Brian Townsend switched onto Teat and was the defender when Teat scored.
Quote from: billhowardWinning goal by our FOGO Angelo Petrakis who failed to get off the field after Teat had tied it at 17 with :18 left, PSU won faceoff turned it over, and Petrakis scores with :08. LGR!
I need to see highlights. maybe a full replay.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhowardWinning goal by our FOGO Angelo Petrakis who failed to get off the field after Teat had tied it at 17 with :18 left, PSU won faceoff turned it over, and Petrakis scores with :08. LGR!
I need to see highlights. maybe a full replay.
It will probably be available here:
https://www.ftfnext.com/lsn
You're going to see Petrakis charge in on goal and think, cripe, everybody else on the field is a way better shooter, he's gotta pass and - holy shit, his second goal of the game.
Quote from: billhowardYou're going to see Petrakis charge in on goal and think, cripe, everybody else on the field is a way better shooter, he's gotta pass and - holy shit, his second goal of the game.
Penn State didn't really slide to him.
Quote from: billhowardWhy Penn State defended Teat with with a shortstick in the last half minute, bad call. Oh well.
I'd have to watch it again, but IIRC either Teat beat the long-stick that was on him, or there was a pick. Either way, there was a switch and Teat had the shorty. And Long was on the other side of the crease, so the long stick on him didn't want to slide off of him, so Teat could make one of his famous passes.
I would be very surprised if this wasn't a play the coaches had drawn up: get the switch on Teat and then make PSU choose its poison. ::banana::
Game winner!
https://twitter.com/USLacrosseMag/status/1236786103513952258?s=20
US Lacrosse Magazine recap of the game.
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/cornell-defeats-penn-state-in-wild-crown-classic-finale
How the top ten fared after games through March 8. Cornell came into the game #5 media, #7 USILA. PSU-Cornell was the only top-ten matchup. Losses were by #2 Penn State. #8 Virginia, #10 Notre Dame. #3 Princeton, #4 UNC and #9 Penn beat unranked teams FWIW. Whether we are #2-3-or-4 come Monday, we're in a better place come Monday. Rankings for the week of March 2.
1 Syracuse def Hopkins 15-9
2 Penn State L Cornell 18-17
3 Princeton def Rutgers 16-11
4 UNC def Furman 18-11
5 Cornell def Penn State 18-17
5 Yale def Michigan 17-11
7 Maryland def Albany 14-13
8 Virginia L Brown 14-13
9 Penn def St Joseph's 13-12
10 Notre Dame L Denver [s]Notre Dame[/s] 14-11
We're in a tough place come Saturday because Yale has TD Ierlan as FOGO for his senior season. Yale beat Penn State 12-10 and was ranked #1 then UMass took them down 13-10. There is hope: Yale won 20 of 26 faceoffs vs. UMass and still managed to lose.
Yale on faceoffs this year
Villanova Y24-10
Penn State Y16-10
UMass Y20- 6
Michigan Y27- 3
Quote from: billhoward...
10 Notre Dame L Notre Dame 14-11
Classic Fighting Irish
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhowardWinning goal by our FOGO Angelo Petrakis who failed to get off the field after Teat had tied it at 17 with :18 left, PSU won faceoff turned it over, and Petrakis scores with :08. LGR!
I need to see highlights. maybe a full replay.
It will probably be available here:
https://www.ftfnext.com/lsn
Game is up on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=359jKdx5Z4g
Cornell #2 in the media poll after taking down Penn State, moves up 5 spots. Thank you, Angelo Petrakis. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-men-s-di-media-poll-syracuse-cornell-are-no-1-2/56122
[b]Rank Team Points (1sts) 3/9/2020[/b]
1 Syracuse 388 (11 1st)
[b][color=#FF0000]2 Cornell 373 (6)[/color][/b]
3 Princeton 359 (3)
4 N Carolina 337
5 Yale 307
6 Maryland 298
7 Penn State 292
8 Duke 241
9 Virginia 218
10 Denver 210
Penn fell 9 places to 16 now that it's 2-3. Also got votes: Hobart, Brown. First 4 teams are 5-0, UNC is 6-0 as is Georgetown. The rest have 1 or 2 losses.
i wonder where Cornell would have landed had they finished the game up 7-8 goals like they were mid 2nd quarter.
Quote from: billhowardCornell #2 in the media poll after taking down Penn State, moves up 5 spots. Thank you, Angelo Petrakis. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-men-s-di-media-poll-syracuse-cornell-are-no-1-2/56122
[b]Rank Team Points (1sts) 3/9/2020[/b]
1 Syracuse 388 (11 1st)
[b][color=#FF0000]2 Cornell 373 (6)[/color][/b]
3 Princeton 359 (3)
4 N Carolina 337
5 Yale 307
6 Maryland 298
7 Penn State 292
8 Duke 241
9 Virginia 218
10 Denver 210
Penn fell 9 places to 16 now that it's 2-3. Also got votes: Hobart, Brown. First 4 teams are 5-0, UNC is 6-0 as is Georgetown. The rest have 1 or 2 losses.
Georgetown and UNC play next Saturday, so this might change.
Quote from: upprdecki wonder where Cornell would have landed had they finished the game up 7-8 goals like they were mid 2nd quarter.
#1 Syracuse scores this year
21-14 Colgate
17- 4 Binghamton
9 -7 Army (was #7 on gameday, now #16)
21-13 Hobart
15- 9 Hopkins Next Syracuse games are @Rutgers, @Duke #8 currently, @Notre Dame #13 currently, @Albany, @Cornell #2.
Currently Syracuse has won 100 of 149 faceoffs which would be .671.
Currently Cornell has won 92 of 174 or .521
Which penn state is better?
Penn state #7 or Penn state #16 (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
Quote from: upprdeckWhich penn state is better?
Penn state #7 or Penn state #16 (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
well, notre dame beat #10 notre dame and jumped to #13. on the other hand, #10 notre dame lost to notre dame and fell to 13th.
will not stop making this joke sorry
Quote from: upprdeckWhich penn state is better?
Penn state #7 or Penn state #16 (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
You expect the NCAA to keep up with the name of every school? Do you know how many there are?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdecki wonder where Cornell would have landed had they finished the game up 7-8 goals like they were mid 2nd quarter.
#1 Syracuse scores this year
21-14 Colgate
17- 4 Binghamton
9 -7 Army (was #7 on gameday, now #16)
21-13 Hobart
15- 9 Hopkins
Next Syracuse games are @Rutgers, @Duke #8 currently, @Notre Dame #14, @Albany, @Cornell #2.
Currently Syracuse has won 100 of 149 faceoffs which would be .671.
Currently Cornell has won 92 of 174 or .521
So if things stay the way they are, when we play Syracuse we'll both probably have .596, the average of the two winning percentages.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: upprdeckWhich penn state is better?
Penn state #7 or Penn state #16 (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
You expect the NCAA to keep up with the name of every school? Do you know how many there are?
NCAAs? Only one, thank goodness.
Quote from: upprdeckWhich penn state is better?
Penn state #7 or Penn state #16 (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
Hopefully we beat #7, since that will help our RPI a lot more than beating #16. ::crazy::
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhowardWinning goal by our FOGO Angelo Petrakis who failed to get off the field after Teat had tied it at 17 with :18 left, PSU won faceoff turned it over, and Petrakis scores with :08. LGR!
I need to see highlights. maybe a full replay.
It will probably be available here:
https://www.ftfnext.com/lsn
Game is up on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=359jKdx5Z4g
i watched the last 6 minutes as we lost the lead and then pulled out the W and it was very, very satisfying
Quote from: billhowardCornell #2 in the media poll after taking down Penn State, moves up 5 spots. Thank you, Angelo Petrakis. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-men-s-di-media-poll-syracuse-cornell-are-no-1-2/56122
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Rank Team Points (1sts) 3/9/2020
1 Syracuse 388 (11 1st)
2 Cornell 373 (6)
3 Princeton 359 (3)
4 N Carolina 337
losses.
Seems like old times.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckWhich penn state is better?
Penn state #7 or Penn state #16 (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
well, notre dame beat #10 notre dame and jumped to #13. on the other hand, #10 notre dame lost to notre dame and fell to 13th.
will not stop making this joke sorry
I think there's one more in there.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: jkahnQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhowardWinning goal by our FOGO Angelo Petrakis who failed to get off the field after Teat had tied it at 17 with :18 left, PSU won faceoff turned it over, and Petrakis scores with :08. LGR!
I need to see highlights. maybe a full replay.
It will probably be available here:
https://www.ftfnext.com/lsn
Game is up on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=359jKdx5Z4g
i watched the last 6 minutes as we lost the lead and then pulled out the W and it was very, very satisfying
It certainly was. Championship teams win the close ones. This will help the team down the road.
A couple of gripes (of course). First, I wish they would just keep Petrakis in the game, unless he's tired. At a critical FO in the final minutes, coach put in Raz (much respect) and he committed an illegal procedure. I hope Petrakis takes every face possible against Ierlan next week. It will be great experience for the freshman, even when he loses. It will make him better for the big games down the road.
Second, I know the team felt pressure in the second half when they were not getting faceoffs. But they stopped moving the ball in their offensive sets. When they move the ball and keep it moving, the defense wears down a little bit and things and open up. The other players should take their key from Teat, who almost always moves the ball right away.
Pun intended, Mikey Long has been the X factor this year. He is dangerous, and he has helped to make this one of the best if not the best in college lacrosse.
Finally, I think it's interesting that Cornell does not often push the ball on a fast break. They are most comfortable sending it back and getting into their sets. I like that a lot. They are confident in the program.
I think Petrakis is coming off an injury [saw that posted somewhere] so that may explain the decision not to use him as much as might otherwise be the case.
felt like Cornell got no draws in the 2nd half but the stats were only 8-12 and it was cornell 5-4 in the 3rd when we got outscored 7-1..
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: billhowardCornell #2 in the media poll after taking down Penn State, moves up 5 spots. Thank you, Angelo Petrakis. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-men-s-di-media-poll-syracuse-cornell-are-no-1-2/56122
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Rank Team Points (1sts) 3/9/2020
1 Syracuse 388 (11 1st)
2 Cornell 373 (6)
3 Princeton 359 (3)
4 N Carolina 337
losses.
Seems like old times.
+1
-1 if you mean seems like 2009.
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhowardWinning goal by our FOGO Angelo Petrakis who failed to get off the field after Teat had tied it at 17 with :18 left, PSU won faceoff turned it over, and Petrakis scores with :08. LGR!
I need to see highlights. maybe a full replay.
It will probably be available here:
https://www.ftfnext.com/lsn
Game is up on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=359jKdx5Z4g
And now available on FTF Next: https://www.ftfnext.com/videos/penn-state-vs-cornell-2020-crown-classic
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: mike1960Quote from: billhowardCornell #2 in the media poll after taking down Penn State, moves up 5 spots. Thank you, Angelo Petrakis. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-men-s-di-media-poll-syracuse-cornell-are-no-1-2/56122
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Rank Team Points (1sts) 3/9/2020
1 Syracuse 388 (11 1st)
2 Cornell 373 (6)
3 Princeton 359 (3)
4 N Carolina 337
losses.
Seems like old times.
+1
-1 if you mean seems like 2009.
No no no! Not 2009. The old days, I meant. When Syracuse and Cornell ruled the roost.
Quote from: dag14I think Petrakis is coming off an injury [saw that posted somewhere] so that may explain the decision not to use him as much as might otherwise be the case.
I think it was over the summer and fall. So he's still getting into shape. ::woot:: Also, he's still getting used to the college game. ::woot::::woot::
Meanwhile, Yale is on Spring Break this week. I bet T.D. is using this time to: (1) spend a day or two visiting the family in Victor, (2) studying film to learn the tendencies of Petrakis and Cornell's other FOGOs, and (3) watching film on little brother Chase's tendencies just in case he (T.D.) gets a chance to shoot on goal.
Our boys better be ready.
Quote from: mike1960No no no! Not 2009. The old days, I meant. When Syracuse and Cornell ruled the roost.
Cornell ruled the roost 1971 to 1977 with three championships. Circa 1972, well after the Jim Brown era at Syracuse, we won a game 21-3. We had a couple good years mid-1980s. Then it seemed like another 15 years before Cornell was a serious threat two years out of three. And meanwhile Syracuse had something like 22 years in a row into the final four (correction: 25 straight, 1980-2004). And 11 national championships. We've been to the final four, four times this century. We've had bad luck running into hot teams, or playing Maryland at Maryland too many times. I'm ready for not just another final four but a title game where we play a very good team with just-okay FOGOs.
Quote from: mike1960No no no! Not 2009. The old days, I meant. When Syracuse and Cornell ruled the roost.
To talk about more recent times for a second--if you could combine Cornell's 2009 defense/goaltending, 2013 faceoff and 2020 offense, I think you'd have an unstoppable team.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: mike1960No no no! Not 2009. The old days, I meant. When Syracuse and Cornell ruled the roost.
To talk about more recent times for a second--if you could combine Cornell's 2009 defense/goaltending, 2013 faceoff and 2020 offense, I think you'd have an unstoppable team.
Unless they had to play some of those SU teams. There was a reason they were so dominant.
It's no longer possible to buy tickets for any Penn lacrosse game on Penn's website, so I assume that the game on 3/20 at Franklin Field is going be a no-go as far as spectators are concerned.
Quote from: IcebergIt's no longer possible to buy tickets for any Penn lacrosse game on Penn's website, so I assume that the game on 3/20 at Franklin Field is going be a no-go as far as spectators are concerned.
Any word about the Yale game? Since classes are going online, I assume the game is postponed, or to be played without a crowd.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: IcebergIt's no longer possible to buy tickets for any Penn lacrosse game on Penn's website, so I assume that the game on 3/20 at Franklin Field is going be a no-go as far as spectators are concerned.
Any word about the Yale game? Since classes are going online, I assume the game is postponed, or to be played without a crowd.
Played without a crowd.
No spectators outside of 3 allowed per team member (same as hockey). ESPN+ will still be streaming the game.
Thanks, Jeff and Cop@Lynah.
Season is over.
Quote from: Chris '03Season is over.
brutal
Not like this...
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Chris '03Season is over.
brutal
In what could have been a legendary year for the entire league. 3 of the top 5 are done. Heartbreaking for all.
Woof. It happens but... woof. It's 1919.
not sure i get the logic.. the kids least likely to get anything and traveling by bus for the most part and playing in front of no crowds if they wanted
Quote from: upprdecknot sure i get the logic.. the kids least likely to get anything and traveling by bus for the most part and playing in front of no crowds if they wanted
the logic is basically that the university is basically shut down so there is no support. they won't even hold practices. right now i'm just clinging on to them finishing the winter sports.
Additionally, even if individual teams travel together, if you're using shared workout equipment, even a single case on one of the teams could put all other users at risk. It sucks, but it's the inevitable outcome. Now we just need to pray that the league is at least willing to throw the seniors a bone, and grant a blanket year of eligibility or something.
well considering everyone is still working and all the research is going to continue I am not sure how shut down it really is.
Cornell isnt really doing anything until after break which is after the ECAC tourney anyway.
I understand and appreciate the decision. Human life is at stake. But what a heartbreaking turn of events.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdecknot sure i get the logic.. the kids least likely to get anything and traveling by bus for the most part and playing in front of no crowds if they wanted
the logic is basically that the university is basically shut down so there is no support. they won't even hold practices. right now i'm just clinging on to them finishing the winter sports.
"clinging" is the right word for it.
Quote from: semsoxAdditionally, even if individual teams travel together, if you're using shared workout equipment, even a single case on one of the teams could put all other users at risk. It sucks, but it's the inevitable outcome. Now we just need to pray that the league is at least willing to throw the seniors a bone, and grant a blanket year of eligibility or something.
Is it the Ivy League or NC$$ that makes this decision? Or, grid forbid, both?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: semsoxAdditionally, even if individual teams travel together, if you're using shared workout equipment, even a single case on one of the teams could put all other users at risk. It sucks, but it's the inevitable outcome. Now we just need to pray that the league is at least willing to throw the seniors a bone, and grant a blanket year of eligibility or something.
Is it the Ivy League or NC$$ that makes this decision? Or, grid forbid, both?
It seems like this was done by the Ivy League presidents. A post from some Harvard track and field athletes who won't be going to the NCAA indoor meet said that the athletics department wanted to send them to the championships but got overruled by the administration.
so if the kids stay home and get sick can they blame the school because they didnt travel and get away from it?
No, I meant the decision on extending the players' eligibility.
So...on the bright side - undefeated season!
(nope didn't help. still completely bummed.)
Quote from: RobbSo...on the bright side - undefeated season!
(nope didn't help. still completely bummed.)
Hard to believe we won't see Jeff Teat suit up for the Big Red again.
I dont think thats a done deal. the NCAA allows 5 yrs and the IVYS just need to allow 5 and then get waivers for the SRs who want to come back.
Quote from: upprdeckI dont think thats a done deal. the NCAA allows 5 yrs and the IVYS just need to allow 5 and then get waivers for the SRs who want to come back.
The players would also need to know if they have to fail classes to stay undergrads, or would the IVYs allow an exception to let them play as grad students.
IVY took the season away they should try to fix it for the kids who want to come back.
Quote from: upprdeckI dont think thats a done deal. the NCAA allows 5 yrs and the IVYS just need to allow 5 and then get waivers for the SRs who want to come back.
If you are referring to Jeff Teat, I'm assuming he's going pro as the #1 draft choice.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckI dont think thats a done deal. the NCAA allows 5 yrs and the IVYS just need to allow 5 and then get waivers for the SRs who want to come back.
If you are referring to Jeff Teat, I'm assuming he's going pro as the #1 draft choice.
Do those guys get paid a living wage by their teams or is it all endorsements?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: upprdeckI dont think thats a done deal. the NCAA allows 5 yrs and the IVYS just need to allow 5 and then get waivers for the SRs who want to come back.
If you are referring to Jeff Teat, I'm assuming he's going pro as the #1 draft choice.
Do those guys get paid a living wage by their teams or is it all endorsements?
Not sure, but I think "living wage" may be a bit optimistic. Over on the Hockey forum's alumni thread I posted a video of Rob Pannell announcing he's leaving MLL for PLL. I assume money is at least partly the reason.
Quote from: upprdeckIVY took the season away they should try to fix it for the kids who want to come back.
There is the matter of a senior player dropping enough classes to not graduate this spring (unless the Ivies allow a post-grad year this one time, which could be the stalking horse for more permanent change), having to find something to do in the fall, and then coming up with $28,000 in spring 2021 tuition and fees, less scholarship grants.
Rob Pannell came back for a fifth season after being injured early in his fourth season and getting a medical waiver.
Shame not to see Jeff Teat get a full senior season. The shadowing defense really crimped his style sophomore and junior years. Now with a more potent midfielder and attackman offense, he was freer this year and more of a complete weapon. Including with :18 to play against Penn State for the tying goal.
NCAA likely to extend eligibility for spring athletes:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/10/sports/coronavirus-latest-sports-updates-massachusetts/
now will the Ivies relax and let it happen
So that would mean the NCAA would allow a sixth year of eligibility and Ivies would potentially go to a fifth for affected athletes, right?
they should say its a RS yr for everyone and those that have already played 4 thats it.. For the rest its a yr they would have lost because of too many games already played.. For the IVY they need to allow kids to take the RS.
For the Winter sports almost all of them were done so its just a bad beat.
Someone thinks we're #1: http://fanlax.com/fanlax/2020/03/17/fanlaxs-d1-men-forum-polls-03-16-20-final/
Sold. Let's engrave the trophies.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSomeone thinks we're #1: http://fanlax.com/fanlax/2020/03/17/fanlaxs-d1-men-forum-polls-03-16-20-final/
Can someone explain to me how the computer has Syracuse having played 5 games but is 7-1?
(And to preempt an obvious joke: "As my math professor used to say to us, 'It's intuitively obvious.' Syracuse is Syracuse.")
Or how our 5-0 record became 4-1?
("Alternative facts"?)
https://theathletic.com/1682383/2020/03/18/how-cornell-honors-george-boiardi-16-years-after-his-death/
Quote from: underskillhttps://theathletic.com/1682383/2020/03/18/how-cornell-honors-george-boiardi-16-years-after-his-death/
What article are you linking to?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: underskillhttps://theathletic.com/1682383/2020/03/18/how-cornell-honors-george-boiardi-16-years-after-his-death/
What article are you linking to?
How Cornell lacrosse honors George Boiardi 16 years after his death
Quote from: underskillQuote from: scoop85Quote from: underskillhttps://theathletic.com/1682383/2020/03/18/how-cornell-honors-george-boiardi-16-years-after-his-death/
What article are you linking to?
How Cornell lacrosse honors George Boiardi 16 years after his death
Thanks
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioSomeone thinks we're #1: http://fanlax.com/fanlax/2020/03/17/fanlaxs-d1-men-forum-polls-03-16-20-final/
Can someone explain to me how the computer has Syracuse having played 5 games but is 7-1?
(And to preempt an obvious joke: "As my math professor used to say to us, 'It's intuitively obvious.' Syracuse is Syracuse.")
Or how our 5-0 record became 4-1?
("Alternative facts"?)
I think it means our wins were fourth best and our nonexistent losses rank us first in losses along with the other three unbeaten teams. Also unbeaten Syracuse had the seventh best wins and was also first in losses so fourth and first makes us better than Syracuse's seventh and first.
Quote from: underskillhttps://theathletic.com/1682383/2020/03/18/how-cornell-honors-george-boiardi-16-years-after-his-death/
i want to thank everyone here for their restraint in not racing to the keyboard to undermine this lovely article by pointing out that the author refers to "William Straight"
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: underskillhttps://theathletic.com/1682383/2020/03/18/how-cornell-honors-george-boiardi-16-years-after-his-death/
i want to thank everyone here for their restraint in not racing to the keyboard to undermine this lovely article by pointing out that the author refers to "William Straight"
Don't high-5 us all just yet. There's a pay-wall.
The Maverik poll has Cornell #2:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-men-s-di-media-poll-syracuse-tops-final-poll/56202
The coaches need to have control of situations like this:
http://athletics.amherst.edu/general/2019-20/releases/20200320qt507l
so the NCAA allowing another year for spring sports is gonna cause some chaos if the ivy doesnt give the SRs another yr if they want it. otherwise a bunch of these kids may go to schools with scholies but they may not have ones to offer either.
Michael Sowers already withdrew from classes at Princeton so he's planning on coming back.
every kid gets that extra yr not just the SRs.. the Ivy league needs to address this or there will be tons of kids rolling out over the next 4 yrs. It would also allow the Ivy schools to get some 5th yrs as transfers back in instead of sending them out every yr.
Teat getting his yr back and playing against Cornell will suck. But some of these kids wont want to play and pay for another yr.
The Ivys decided to not let these kids get the 5th yr.. so here we wont finish classes and we wont have graduations and then we decide to not let you come back and finish your final yr at your school and make it harder to transfer because of the 12.6 rule..
just so dumb
I'm one of what seems like a minority that thinks time moves forward. Nobody is getting this year back. Not athletes, not anyone else. It sucks, of course, but it would also suck to be a rising senior who thought he'd finally get on the field only to find that the entire graduating class is coming back.
Sorry for being morose but while i empathize with the kids for what they're losing, as the bodies pile up, I can't bring myself to care that much.
Virtual Lax Tourney Matchups
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/virtual-ncaa-tournament-mens-bracket-revealed
Quote from: jeff '84Virtual Lax Tourney Matchups
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/virtual-ncaa-tournament-mens-bracket-revealed
Let me guess: strong first round win then upset by a perennial powerhouse to fall just short once again.
Quote from: ugarteI'm one of what seems like a minority that thinks time moves forward.
Tyro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreality_of_Time).
Quote from: ugarteI'm one of what seems like a minority that thinks time moves forward.
Select Ivy 2020 seniors play their senior year at Elsewhere State in 2021.
Quote from: martyQuote from: ugarteI'm one of what seems like a minority that thinks time moves forward.
Select Ivy 2020 seniors play their senior year at Elsewhere State in 2021.
sure. if they had changed it, fine. but not changing it isn't something i give any thought too when i'm not literally on this site.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: martyQuote from: ugarteI'm one of what seems like a minority that thinks time moves forward.
Select Ivy 2020 seniors play their senior year at Elsewhere State in 2021.
sure. if they had changed it, fine. but not changing it isn't something i give any thought too when i'm not literally on this site.
In other words, when you're sleeping?
Sorry, was thinking of Greg.
its gonna be hard for most SRs to transfer just because of the scholie requirements that were created. Many schools dont have an free scholies to use on a transfer kid.
I see Princeton has decided to not allow any kids who drop out a chance to play the 5th yr. So Sowers is now on the market. Can Teat and Sowers switch schools now?
Quote from: upprdeckI see Princeton has decided to not allow any kids who drop out a chance to play the 5th yr. So Sowers is now on the market. Can Teat and Sowers switch schools now?
It looks like Sowers has decided to finish the semester and then use the transfer portal. So he won't be coming to Cornell, but will go somewhere where grad students can play.
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/report-princeton-will-not-grant-extra-season-to-students-who-withdraw
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: upprdeckI see Princeton has decided to not allow any kids who drop out a chance to play the 5th yr. So Sowers is now on the market. Can Teat and Sowers switch schools now?
It looks like Sowers has decided to finish the semester and then use the transfer portal. So he won't be coming to Cornell, but will go somewhere where grad students can play.
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/report-princeton-will-not-grant-extra-season-to-students-who-withdraw
https://twitter.com/QKessenich/status/1248586086978371586?s=20
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A D1 coach told me last night that he's checking the transfer portal every ten minutes. Welcome to free agency.
Coach Pietramala done at Hopkins.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-dave-pietramala-johns-hopkins-mutually-agree-to-part-ways/56302
Quote from: mike1960Coach Pietramala done at Hopkins.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-dave-pietramala-johns-hopkins-mutually-agree-to-part-ways/56302
They have hired a search firm to find the new coach. I am sure that there are legal and logistic reasons for doing so, but seems like anyone qualified for the position wouldn't need to be recruited by a search firm (Hi, I see that you have built a strong lacrosse program at....have you considered what a career in Baltimore might look like..)
But they provided at e-mail address and so, given the struggling economy, I might apply. My qualification is that I have one radical idea to revolutionize lacrosse. Make it-Take it. Get rid of the huge benefit of a specialized face-off person. Keeps the score closer too. Fans and sponsors like that. Only curmudgeons who respond to snarky posts on forums would ever argue.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: mike1960Coach Pietramala done at Hopkins.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-dave-pietramala-johns-hopkins-mutually-agree-to-part-ways/56302
They have hired a search firm to find the new coach. I am sure that there are legal and logistic reasons for doing so, but seems like anyone qualified for the position wouldn't need to be recruited by a search firm (Hi, I see that you have built a strong lacrosse program at....have you considered what a career in Baltimore might look like..)
But they provided at e-mail address and so, given the struggling economy, I might apply. My qualification is that I have one radical idea to revolutionize lacrosse. Make it-Take it. Get rid of the huge benefit of a specialized face-off person. Keeps the score closer too. Fans and sponsors like that. Only curmudgeons who respond to snarky posts on forums would ever argue.
I assume when you say "Make it-Take it" you mean after a goal the team that gets scored on takes the ball, as in basketball. I know they tried it for one year (1979) and it didn't pan out, but that was before the shot clock and maybe it would work better today.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: mike1960Coach Pietramala done at Hopkins.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-dave-pietramala-johns-hopkins-mutually-agree-to-part-ways/56302
They have hired a search firm to find the new coach. I am sure that there are legal and logistic reasons for doing so, but seems like anyone qualified for the position wouldn't need to be recruited by a search firm (Hi, I see that you have built a strong lacrosse program at....have you considered what a career in Baltimore might look like..)
But they provided at e-mail address and so, given the struggling economy, I might apply. My qualification is that I have one radical idea to revolutionize lacrosse. Make it-Take it. Get rid of the huge benefit of a specialized face-off person. Keeps the score closer too. Fans and sponsors like that. Only curmudgeons who respond to snarky posts on forums would ever argue.
I assume when you say "Make it-Take it" you mean after a goal the team that gets scored on takes the ball, as in basketball. I know they tried it for one year (1979) and it didn't pan out, but that was before the shot clock and maybe it would work better today.
Yes, that is what I mean. Can you elaborate on why it did not work out?
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: mike1960Coach Pietramala done at Hopkins.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-dave-pietramala-johns-hopkins-mutually-agree-to-part-ways/56302
They have hired a search firm to find the new coach. I am sure that there are legal and logistic reasons for doing so, but seems like anyone qualified for the position wouldn't need to be recruited by a search firm (Hi, I see that you have built a strong lacrosse program at....have you considered what a career in Baltimore might look like..)
But they provided at e-mail address and so, given the struggling economy, I might apply. My qualification is that I have one radical idea to revolutionize lacrosse. Make it-Take it. Get rid of the huge benefit of a specialized face-off person. Keeps the score closer too. Fans and sponsors like that. Only curmudgeons who respond to snarky posts on forums would ever argue.
I assume when you say "Make it-Take it" you mean after a goal the team that gets scored on takes the ball, as in basketball. I know they tried it for one year (1979) and it didn't pan out, but that was before the shot clock and maybe it would work better today.
Yes, that is what I mean. Can you elaborate on why it did not work out?
While it was a couple years before I arrived at Cornell, apparently it slowed up the game and led to too much specialization (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/swezey-the-year-face-off-went-away/49649).
the best thing would be once the refs blow the whistle and recognize the score the ref takes the ball and hands it to the goalie and boom the ball is back in play and the clock starts.. BBALL could go back to the jump ball after every score too too but realizes its a waste and penal to the team with the best jumper.
Hockey it still works cause even the best guys mostly win 60% not 90% of the draws and its isnt the same guy every time either. Maybe teams should have to draw with someone on the field when the draw happens.. then guys would at least have to play..
Quote from: upprdeckthe best thing would be once the refs blow the whistle and recognize the score the ref takes the ball and hands it to the goalie and boom the ball is back in play and the clock starts...
Works fine this way in basketball.
Quote from: upprdeckMaybe teams should have to draw with someone on the field when the draw happens.. then guys would at least have to play..
That is so simple and yet it is a GREAT idea.
even changing the rule to no subbing until a change of possession would make a difference.
As per a report on Inside Lacrosse, Milliman is one of a number of coaches that the Hopkins search committee has contacted regarding their head coaching position.
might want to make sure that they plan on staying Div 1 before he makes that leap
Quote from: upprdeckmight want to make sure that they plan on staying Div 1 before he makes that leap
I don't think there's a chance in hell that Hopkins drops from D1 lacrosse. They have a 6.28 billion endowment, and there's just too much history with the sport there.
Collegecrosse tweeting that Milliman is one of 2 finalists for the JHU job (Towson's Nadelan being the other).
Time to contact Andy and tell him to do what it takes to keep Milliman!
Advantage: 12.6 fte athletic scholarships, higher pay, tv appearances, and less restrictive conference rules.
Disadvantage: A toxic fanbase with huge expectations
All in All hoping Milliman does not leave. Cornell has great lacrosse tradition but a mediocre coach like Kerwick
Quote from: rss77Disadvantage: A toxic fanbase with huge expectations
Yeah, but nobody turns down coaching the Yankees.
Quote from: CU77Collegecrosse tweeting that Milliman is one of 2 finalists for the JHU job (Towson's Nadelan being the other).
Time to contact Andy and tell him to do what it takes to keep Milliman!
Jeez. That didn't take long. He's been HC for what, 3 yrs? He has us on the right trajectory, but except for the Ivy title 2 yrs ago, he hasn't won anything great. Yet he's already being poached.
The JHU AD is Jen Baker, a former Cornell Asst AD. She knows Milliman from her time at Cornell.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/womens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/jen-baker/1236
Rumors are that Jen wants Milliman, but the JHU lax alums/boosters want Nadelen.
Quote from: CU77The JHU AD is Jen Baker, a former Cornell Asst AD. She knows Milliman from her time at Cornell.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/womens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/jen-baker/1236
Rumors are that Jen wants Milliman, but the JHU lax alums/boosters want Nadelen.
Let's hope the money people get their choice.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: CU77The JHU AD is Jen Baker, a former Cornell Asst AD. She knows Milliman from her time at Cornell.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/womens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/jen-baker/1236
Rumors are that Jen wants Milliman, but the JHU lax alums/boosters want Nadelen.
Let's hope the money people get their choice.
As they usually do!
Milliman's scheduled to host a men's acrosse town hall on Zoom tomorrow night at 7.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioMilliman's scheduled to host a men's acrosse town hall on Zoom tomorrow night at 7.
Fingers crossed he takes the opportunity to tell everyone that he's not going anywhere.
Rumor mill has settled on former Cuse goalie and current Jacksonville HC John Galloway as the next JHU coach.
CORRECTION TO THE ABOVE:
Chris Jastrzembski, a usually reliable reporter for Inside Lacrosse, says Hopkins is hiring Milliman;
https://twitter.com/Chris_Jast/status/1254543073712930818
so does this mean is 7pm zoom tomorrow will be a get interesting?
It seems that the zoom meeting was today, not tomorrow. It's over. Milliman to Hopkins.
Quote from: CU77It seems that the zoom meeting was today, not tomorrow. It's over. Milliman to Hopkins.
No, the Zoom meeting today was with the team. Tomorrow is supposed to be with Cornell fans.
Anyhow, since I learned that the JHU AD was formerly in the Cornell athletic department, I've felt pretty certain that Milliman was as good as gone.
Just when I thought the year couldn't be any more disappointing...
Quote from: semsoxJust when I thought the year couldn't be any more disappointing...
A very 2020 sock in the nose.
Well, I hope the athletic department takes its time and finds a totally brilliant, stand up young coach. It can happen.
Starting to see a split in Ivy lacrosse. Shay at Yale isn't going anywhere and neither is Gerry Byrne at Harvard-two excellent coaches. Maybe upgrade Stevens to head coach to keep some consistency in program?
Sowers to Duke.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: semsoxJust when I thought the year couldn't be any more disappointing...
A very 2020 sock in the nose.
Well, I hope the athletic department takes its time and finds a totally brilliant, stand up young coach. It can happen.
If Noel doesn't believe Buczek (or less likely, Stevens) is ready for the HC job, another former Cornell captain being mentioned is Kyle Georgalas, the current Associate Head Coach at Army. He was a Cornell assistant for 5 years, and has been with Army since 2011. His ties to the program are a big plus, and he has plenty of experience recruiting at academically rigorous schools. Certainly someone who should be looked at.
Agreed.
Worked with Tambroni at Cornell and Alberici at Army. Has coached offense, defense, goalkeepers, and faceoff specialists. Now associate head coach. Strong resume. Maybe would stick around?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWorked with Tambroni at Cornell and Alberici at Army. Has coached offense, defense, goalkeepers, and faceoff specialists. Now associate head coach. Strong resume. Maybe would stick around?
His Cornell pedigree would seemingly make it more likely that he would stick around rather than hunt for the "next thing." Also what might help our cause is that per her LinedIn profile his wife has a Master's from Ithaca College in sports management and worked as an Athletics Operations Assistant at Cornell for 3 years.
Dave Pietramala is available.
Quote from: Ken711Dave Pietramala is available.
Meh.
Petro probably not coming back. Rumor was that his wife did not care too much for Ithaca when he took the Hopkins job.
For the love of God, why would you want a coach who was JUST FIRED because his teams underperformed for the past decade???
Quote from: CU77For the love of God, why would you want a coach who was JUST FIRED because his teams underperformed for the past decade???
It was a joke.
Good to know, but there are Cornell fans who have seriously proposed this on fanlax.com.
Still radio silence from Noel?
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/new-hopkins-coach-believes-fresh-perspective-will-benefit-blue-jays
Quote from: Cop at Lynahhttps://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/new-hopkins-coach-believes-fresh-perspective-will-benefit-blue-jays
I wish him the best and hope to see him in the Final Four next year.
Interesting no article on Milliman leaving yet, but they did remove his name from the coaches page.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/coaches
Quote from: Ken711Interesting no article on Milliman leaving yet, but they did remove his name from the coaches page.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/coaches
They never post an article about a coach leaving, only arriving.
There was an article when Kerwick left:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/5/8/kerwick-announces-resignation-milliman-tabbed-interim-head-coach-of-mens-lacrosse.aspx
Quote from: CU77There was an article when Kerwick left:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/5/8/kerwick-announces-resignation-milliman-tabbed-interim-head-coach-of-mens-lacrosse.aspx
Cornell should be announcing his departure soon now that JHC has it on their website,
https://hopkinssports.com/news/2020/4/27/johns-hopkins-names-peter-milliman-head-mens-lacrosse-coach.aspx
Here we go:
https://twitter.com/TheRealJKJ/status/1254874203225980932
Quote from: CU77There was an article when Kerwick left:
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/5/8/kerwick-announces-resignation-milliman-tabbed-interim-head-coach-of-mens-lacrosse.aspx
Only because, I believe, they named Milliman interim right away.
Quote from: CU77Here we go:
https://twitter.com/TheRealJKJ/status/1254874203225980932
Hiring freeze? I hadn't heard of this.
Does Cornell save money by putting the interim tag on the position?
The University has a hiring freeze in effect across the board because of COVID 19 so Athletics can't post the position now even if they wanted to.
not sure the hiring freeze really applies here but it does save athletics money with a lateral type move.
It's official now.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2020/4/28/connor-buczek-15-elevated-to-mens-lacrosse-head-coach-at-cornell.aspx
Quote from: Ken711It's official now.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2020/4/28/connor-buczek-15-elevated-to-mens-lacrosse-head-coach-at-cornell.aspx
I don't see the word "interim" in this announcement. It looks like he's the guy.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Ken711It's official now.
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2020/4/28/connor-buczek-15-elevated-to-mens-lacrosse-head-coach-at-cornell.aspx
I don't see the word "interim" in this announcement. It looks like he's the guy.
You missed this part..."for the 2021 season".
Likely the best possible move in the present situation.
Quote from: CU77Likely the best possible move in the present situation.
Why do you say this? JHU also has a hiring freeze, but JHU just hired a very good coach under virtually identical circumstances. Did JHU make a mistake?
Quote from: dag14The University has a hiring freeze in effect across the board because of COVID 19 so Athletics can't post the position now even if they wanted to.
Hiring freeze announcement (https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2020/03/cornell-leaders-manage-financial-impact-covid-19) on March 30.
QuoteHiring Freeze – We are implementing a university-wide hiring freeze on staff and temporary workers. Any exceptions must be approved via a process that is being established. All academic hires will be carefully reviewed by deans.
Interview with the new Cornell head coach Connor Buczek.
https://www.ftfnext.com/videos/1588181445003-connorbuczekcontained
Quote from: Ken711Interview with the new Cornell head coach Connor Buczek.
https://www.ftfnext.com/videos/1588181445003-connorbuczekcontained
Thanks for posting. Young as he is, Buczek has all the intangibles to be an excellent leader and head coach. Should be an interesting Town Hall tonight.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Interview with the new Cornell head coach Connor Buczek.
https://www.ftfnext.com/videos/1588181445003-connorbuczekcontained
Thanks for posting. Young as he is, Buczek has all the intangibles to be an excellent leader and head coach. Should be an interesting Town Hall tonight.
Yes, thanks for posting! I'm excited about the program's future!
The freeze had nothing to do with hiring a coach.. They would have gotten permission. But that also costs money to pay for a search team.
Nice interview. I think we might have a coach who will stick around (for a change).
Incredibly Buczek & Stevens are less than 5 years from their Cornell graduation (class of '15). No question they can relate to the current players.
Quote from: CASIncredibly Buczek & Stevens are less than 5 years from their Cornell graduation (class of '15). No question they can relate to the current players.
Hopefully their youth and obvious affection for the university will help offset the inexperience factor as they meet with recruits and their families.
From the fanlax.com forum:
Quote from: faircornellThere was just now a rousing and inspiring Town Hall meeting on Zoom. There was a strong statement from the AD that everything within reason was done to keep Coach Milliman. There were really great presentations from Coach Buczek and Coach Stevens, as well as game film of successful plays. Included was a great analysis of Jeff Teat's tying goal versus PU. Players also presented their views of the program. There is no question that the program is in good hands with very able coaches and very strong alumni support.
Quote from: laxfan1313Highlights of tonight's ZOOM town hall meeting: (1) Coaches Buczek & Jordan have been in contact with all incoming freshmen and believe they all will attend Cornell: (2) $18.5 million has been raised toward the indoor fieldhouse out of a $25 million budget and two locations convenient to the athletic quad are being considered; (3) Andy Noel has secured permission to hire a third paid assistant coach.
Quote from: chousnakeI came away from the town hall very impressed with Buczek and Stevens. They are knowledgeable and mature young men. The town hall was reassuring on many fronts. It seems that the program is in good hands........
Quote from: faircornellThe AD noted a "ninth semester" process that a few Cornell athletes are going through. It's a two step process that involves the University Administration as well as the student's undergraduate college. My impression was that a few lacrosse athletes might be trying to do this.
And another interview (print) with CB:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/-cornell-guy-connor-buczek-looks-to-carry-on-big-red-momentum-tradition/56361
i'd like to hear more about the "ninth semester" - is it academic or athletic? why? the tone of the internet - and especially from assholes like me - can sound reflexively adversarial but i'm curious about what it means, that's all.
The Ivy League requires that a student-athlete have an academic reason to stay in school beyond 8 semesters, not just an athletic one. In the past, in order to have a 9th semester approved, the student-athlete generally was expected to make the request fairly well in advance of the 9th semester, putting forward an academic plan that showed a compelling reason to stay on campus. Any plan needs to be endorsed by the student's faculty advisor and/or college administration. Examples that I know have been approved include completing a second major or a minor where required courses are offered at the same time or only in one semester so that fitting all needed classes into 8 semesters is impossible. A student with a weak academic record can make an argument for taking a lighter course load to boost GPA [to be competitive in the job market] so it takes longer to complete the 120 credits needed to graduate.
The challenge in the current situation is the last-minute nature of the student's decision so the expectation of a clear long-term plan as justification for granting a request has to go out the window. Unless the student's course of study is screwed up by the campus closure [no access to labs, etc.] it would seem to me that the League will grant a 9th semester to very few students unless they relax the rules entirely. And since the Ivy League already announced that it would not grant a "5th year" across the board, I am willing to bet the League won't be very flexible in reviewing individual requests.
if you take course as pass fail yet you need/want to improve your GPA that would seem to fall into this. So if they get a ninth they stay off campus in the fall?
The disruption in instruction in theory could set a student back academically this spring. If you fail to complete courses because you are hospitalized, a family member dies or you are seriously impacted by emotional issues and you would have a justification to extend your time at Cornell. Want to play a spring sport? Take a leave of absence in the fall and come back in the spring. That has happened in the past, especially with injuries.
the fall is only marginally better than the spring right now.. pretty easy to make a statement that the these 2 semesters are messed up
USLacrosse Magazine on Buczek (https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/connor-buczek-hopes-to-carry-on-a-new-normal-at-cornell)
In competitive news, TD Ierlan will be back playing for Yale next year...
Quote from: margolismIn competitive news, TD Ierlan will be back playing for Yale next year...
Being a Cornell fan is a constant lesson in feeling everything that "almost was."
Quote from: margolismIn competitive news, TD Ierlan will be back playing for Yale next year...
I have to say the rationalization Yale came up with to allow this is true bullshit.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: margolismIn competitive news, TD Ierlan will be back playing for Yale next year...
I have to say the rationalization Yale came up with to allow this is true bullshit.
Well it might reduce the whining from other Ivies if Teat and maybe some of our other seniors come back too.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: margolismIn competitive news, TD Ierlan will be back playing for Yale next year...
I have to say the rationalization Yale came up with to allow this is true bullshit.
Well it might reduce the whining from other Ivies if Teat and maybe some of our other seniors come back too.
Quote from: The Daily GazetteThe Ivy League had previously said that seniors would not be able to withdraw and re-enroll for athletic reasons, but according to the Inside Lacrosse report, Ierlan is exempt from the Ivy League's "eight-semester" rule as he has only been on campus at Yale for four semesters since transferring from UAlbany. (Former UAlbany lacrosse star Ierlan picked first in MLL Draft, but will return to Yale (https://dailygazette.com/article/2020/05/05/former-ualbany-lacrosse-star-ierlan-picked-first-in-mll-draft-great-danes-goalie-siekierski-also-selected))
Wow! How unusually generous of the Ivy League. Any Ivy can tap the transfer wire and, for example, recruit a rising senior from another school, and have that player around for the next three years. Since the Ivy school is likely to be more academically challenging than the recruit's former school, the extra three years would be academically warranted, e.g., for someone who wants to switch from a majoring in photography at Loyola to engineering physics at Cornell.
Engineering physics? That was my major! I'd have a much harder time with photography ...
Quote from: CU77Engineering physics? That was my major! I'd have a much harder time with photography ...
Good thing you went to Cornell rather than Loyola.
Absolutely!
Incidentally, according to the Simulated Season run by lacrossereference.com, Cornell is the #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. The Big Red finished 12-2, with one-goal regular-season losses to Yale and Princeton, but then won the ILT from the #4 seed, beating #1 Penn 14-8 in the semis and #2 Yale in the final, 17-11.
The first round NCAA game against BU is Saturday at 1:15:
https://lacrossereference.com/game-win-probabilities/cornell_boston_u_20200509/
EDIT: SimCornell simloses to SimBU, 15-6 ...
Time to start the 2021 thread!
Saturday's semifinal game in Philadelphia, we're got the late game against UNC? I really hope Princeton can take down Syracuse in the other game.
Won't be quite the same in 2021 and 2022: Championship weekend at Rentschler Field in East Hartford. You know, the UConn stadium 25 miles removed from campus.
Per Christian Swezey's board-game dice-rolling simulation, Cornell just won a thrilling NCAA semifinal over Princeton, 12-11:
https://twitter.com/swezeylacrosse
Cuse v Yale in game 2.
Quote from: CU77Per Christian Swezey's board-game dice-rolling simulation, Cornell just won a thrilling NCAA semifinal over Princeton, 12-11:
https://twitter.com/swezeylacrosse
Cuse v Yale in game 2.
Really interesting set-up he has, and his "play by play" seems pretty realistic.
According to another LAX forum, neither Teat nor Fletcher are in the published list of graduating seniors. The other seniors on the lacrosse team are included.
Discuss.
Quote from: margolismAccording to another LAX forum, neither Teat nor Fletcher are in the published list of graduating seniors. The other seniors on the lacrosse team are included.
Discuss.
Cornell could be pretty good next year.
Fletcher is on the list.
Yes, his name is missing the final r on the program, presumably a typo. First and middle names (Connor Francis) match his Cornell lax bio page.
NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!
Cornell 17, Cuse 16 in OT!
At least per Christian Swezey's board-game dice-rolling simulation:
https://twitter.com/swezeylacrosse
QuoteGOAL CORNELL!!!! DONVILLE WINS IT!!!!!
@CornellLacrosse 17, Syracuse 16 in TTL NCAA Final!!!
Donville dodged and the defense didn't slide and he kept going and shot and scored the winner
If only it was real ....
that sound you hear is me sewing a banner
I see the LAX rules committee met and made some changes to faceoff rules but pushed off the clock changes until next yr
Quote from: upprdeckI see the LAX rules committee met and made some changes to faceoff rules but pushed off the clock changes until next yr
go on
still don't know what the changes are but TD Ierlan says your stupid rule changes can't stop him https://twitter.com/td_ierlan/status/1266486047757799429
Neutral hand grip mo more motorcycle grip and must be taken standing up is the biggest change i saw. the 2nd shot clock and timing issue were pushed off another yr
One report says Teat following Milliman to Hopkins.
https://twitter.com/millieinsider/status/1266577700661211137
Rule changes notes (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-ncaa-rules-committee-proposes-changes-to-face-off-for-2021/56483)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioOne report says Teat following Milliman to Hopkins.
https://twitter.com/millieinsider/status/1266577700661211137
Ugh please no
Quote from: semsoxQuote from: Al DeFlorioOne report says Teat following Milliman to Hopkins.
https://twitter.com/millieinsider/status/1266577700661211137
Ugh please no
I guess it makes sense to pick up a masters on a scholarship? ...
Quote from: semsoxQuote from: Al DeFlorioOne report says Teat following Milliman to Hopkins.
https://twitter.com/millieinsider/status/1266577700661211137
Ugh please no
Just when I thought 2020 couldn't get any worse . . .
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: semsoxQuote from: Al DeFlorioOne report says Teat following Milliman to Hopkins.
https://twitter.com/millieinsider/status/1266577700661211137
Ugh please no
Just when I thought 2020 couldn't get any worse . . .
Well, with any luck (not saying what kind), we'll have martial law and a self-declared President-for-life next fall. Cornell and JHU (founded by Yale classmates/buddies Andrew Dickson White and Daniel Coit Gilman) will be permanently closed for sedition.
At last, some good news! (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-s-jeff-teat-granted-fifth-year-eligibility-waiver/56518) Teat is coming back for a fifth year at Cornell!
Quote from: dbilmesAt last, some good news! (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-s-jeff-teat-granted-fifth-year-eligibility-waiver/56518) Teat is coming back for a fifth year at Cornell!
WOW!!!
Quote from: dbilmesAt last, some good news! (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-s-jeff-teat-granted-fifth-year-eligibility-waiver/56518) Teat is coming back for a fifth year at Cornell!
Yay!!! We might be pretty darned good next year.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: dbilmesAt last, some good news! (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-s-jeff-teat-granted-fifth-year-eligibility-waiver/56518) Teat is coming back for a fifth year at Cornell!
Yay!!! We might be pretty darned good next year.
With Teat back we should be top 6 preseason. Attack of Teat, Piatelli and Long will be as good as anyone, and that doesn't even include CJ Kirst, who's a top-10 incoming freshman nationally. And we have a couple of really good poles coming in to shore up the defensive side of the field.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Quote from: dbilmesAt last, some good news! (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-s-jeff-teat-granted-fifth-year-eligibility-waiver/56518) Teat is coming back for a fifth year at Cornell!
Yay!!! We might be pretty darned good next year.
With Teat back we should be top 6 preseason. Attack of Teat, Piatelli and Long will be as good as anyone, and that doesn't even include CJ Kirst, who's a top-10 incoming freshman nationally. And we have a couple of really good poles coming in to shore up the defensive side of the field.
I really like how Long was playing at X! He was just breaking out when the season ended.
Quote from: dbilmesAt last, some good news! (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-s-jeff-teat-granted-fifth-year-eligibility-waiver/56518) Teat is coming back for a fifth year at Cornell!
Nice waiver or whatever it is. Based on the linked article I have no idea why he was given the OK by the Ivy
committee office.
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