The ECAC site has 9 video links (https://www.ecachockey.com/men/index) for tonight's games. Holy shit.
IMO the most competitive series will be Princeton/Brown. That could go either way. I don't think the other three will be all that close, although Yale has been trending downward the past few weeks
Definitely. The other 3 series are strong home favorites IMHO, while that one's 50/50.
Friday after 1 period:
SLU 1 Drt 2
RPI 0 Yal 0
Cgt 1 Uni 1
Prn 0 Brn 0
Saturday after 2 periods:
SLU 2 Drt 3
RPI 0 Yal 1
Cgt 1 Uni 3
Prn 0 Brn 1
Finals:
RPI 1 Yal 4
Cgt 1 Uni 4
Prn 0 Brn 3
Midway through the Third period:
SLU 2 Drt 3
Quote from: TrotskyFinals:
RPI 1 Yal 4
Cgt 1 Uni 4
Prn 0 Brn 3
Midway through the Third period:
SLU 2 Drt 3
Princeton's season has been stunningly bad; they were picked 2nd in the preaseason poll, and look likely to be done after tomorrow.
Princeton is a very unbalanced team and there was no way they were finishing that high. For them to drop as far as they did was a bit surprising, but defense and goaltending were never that team's strong points. That being said, the game was close up until about late into the 2nd period.
Final:
SLU 2 Drt 3
This could be a pretty boring first round. There might not be a single Game 3.
Quote from: IcebergPrinceton is a very unbalanced team and there was no way they were finishing that high. For them to drop as far as they did was a bit surprising, but defense and goaltending were never that team's strong points. That being said, the game was close up until about late into the 2nd period.
Not only are they unbalanced, but ever since we played them in the ECAC tournament last year their system has felt like a peewee hockey gimmick. They hang players around center ice to create odd-man chances in transition, even if it means they're out of position should their defense not get the clear. People fell in love with them after they won a few games in the ECAC tournament last year, despite them being outplayed in the semis/finals. I felt we really should have beaten them because we were considerably better, but either we had a poor game-plan against their system or we didn't execute it effectively.
IIRC they had a good second half last year before their run. I thought they would compete this year.
Dunno how Brown is doing it but their system looked more stable and replicable. Just did not seem to have the talent yet.
Princeton continuing to look bad (and Brown putting on a clinic). 2-0 Brown and Forget (who played last night) back in net after the starter Ferland got pulled.
Princeton has come back to tie Brown.
Saturday scores (in/after 2nd period; @ leading all series 1-0):
SLU 2 @ Drt 2
RPI 0 @ Yal 3
Cgt 1 @ Uni 1
Prn 2 @ Brn 2
Down 5-2 with 4 minutes to go, Princeton just scored 3 extra attacker goals in 3 minutes to tie Brown 5-5.
Union and Yale advance. Prn @ Brn and SLU @ Drt go to overtime.
If Dartmouth wins their series we play Union. If SLU wins, we play the winner of the Princeton-Brown series.
Quote from: dbilmesThis could be a pretty boring first round. There might not be a single Game 3.
SLU just forced at least one Game 3, winning in OT despite being outshot 60-24 (per Dartmouth's Twitter account).
Princeton-Brown going to double ot.
Quote from: TrotskyPrinceton-Brown going to double ot.
I'm excited to listen to more of the winner of the "announcer most likely to be found calling the game in a La-Z-Boy with a glass of scotch" award.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyPrinceton-Brown going to double ot.
I'm excited to listen to more of the winner of the "announcer most likely to be found calling the game in a La-Z-Boy with a glass of scotch" award.
I actually think these guys are a hoot.
I do not disagree with your characterization.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyPrinceton-Brown going to double ot.
I'm excited to listen to more of the winner of the "announcer most likely to be found calling the game in a La-Z-Boy with a glass of scotch" award.
I actually think these guys are a hoot.
I do not disagree with your characterization.
Oh, I'm not being facetious at all. I LOVE these guys. So much better than the biggest homers of the world Brown used to have.
Quote from: TrotskyDown 5-2 with 4 minutes to go, Princeton just scored 3 extra attacker goals in 3 minutes to tie Brown 5-5.
Pretty great highlight video of the comeback here:
https://twitter.com/princetonhockey/status/1104581908275421184
https://t.co/qrtfHAoTRH
Princeton - Brown going to triple overtime. The players are skating like they're hung over and every muscle hurts.
Is this the longest game in Ivy history?
Looks like Cornell over Dartmouth in 2012 was the longest until tonight.
Feel pretty good about seeing Brown experience a three-goal collapse if Princeton can finish it off.
Brown hits their 5th pipe in the 3rd ot
Well, I'm getting my $4.99 worth out of ESPN+. First few minutes of 3OT has been manic for the announcers.
Quote from: JasonN95Well, I'm getting my $4.99 worth out of ESPN+. First few minutes of 3OT has been manic for the announcers.
"Manic" hardly does them justice. Brown possible winning goal under review, likely for a possible offsides; last replay they showed seems to be offsides.
And ... GOAL Brown!
103:30 final length of game.
If SLU wins tomorrow we play Brown, if Dartmouth wins we play Union.
Quote from: TrotskySo if SLU wins tomorrow we play Brown, if Dartmouth wins we play Union.
Hard to see SLU winning 2 straight in Hanover, but you never know.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskySo if SLU wins tomorrow we play Brown, if Dartmouth wins we play Union.
Hard to see SLU winning 2 straight in Hanover, but you never know.
Dartmouth only won the first game 3-2. SLU's taking the whole "second season" thing literally.
Quote from: scoop85Brown possible winning goal under review, likely for a possible offsides; last replay they showed seems to be offsides.
I also thought it looked offside, even though the announcers thought it wasn't. I'd like to see a still image of that one.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskySo if SLU wins tomorrow we play Brown, if Dartmouth wins we play Union.
Hard to see SLU winning 2 straight in Hanover, but you never know.
Dartmouth only won the first game 3-2. SLU's taking the whole "second season" thing literally.
True, but Dartmouth did outshoot them tonight something like 64-20
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskySo if SLU wins tomorrow we play Brown, if Dartmouth wins we play Union.
Hard to see SLU winning 2 straight in Hanover, but you never know.
Well at this point they only need to win one straight.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: scoop85Brown possible winning goal under review, likely for a possible offsides; last replay they showed seems to be offsides.
I also thought it looked offside, even though the announcers thought it wasn't. I'd like to see a still image of that one.
Check out the attached image. You can just see part of the puck, still not completely across the line. (It's the black dot just below where the player's jersey ends.) The other player is clearly across the line. Very close, but I think Princeton got robbed!
Quote from: andyw2100Check out the attached image. You can just see part of the puck, still not completely across the line. (It's the black dot just below where the player's jersey ends.) The other player is clearly across the line. Very close, but I think Princeton got robbed!
OK. Now I've made a video:
https://youtu.be/fR9sr5bYs5c
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: scoop85Brown possible winning goal under review, likely for a possible offsides; last replay they showed seems to be offsides.
I also thought it looked offside, even though the announcers thought it wasn't. I'd like to see a still image of that one.
Check out the attached image. You can just see part of the puck, still not completely across the line. (It's the black dot just below where the player's jersey ends.) The other player is clearly across the line. Very close, but I think Princeton got robbed!
Wow really? Looks very offside. Was this reviewed by the linesman on an iPhone 3?
Although neither camera angle is definitive, the video does prove it's offside when you piece together the two angles. But alas, referees are not expected or supposed to be doing this, right?
Quote from: imafrshmnAlthough neither camera angle is definitive, the video does prove it's offside when you piece together the two angles. But alas, referees are not expected or supposed to be doing this, right?
It was definitely close. I'm not sure what they are supposed to do, but all four officials spent a good amount of time looking at it. Both Scoop85 and I thought it looked offside from the first replay they showed, and we had only looked at it once at that point, from the first angle.
Sad fact of the day: a reported 585 people witnessed the historically long Princeton-Brown Game 2, which was fewer than attended 4 of the D-III women's games and 2 of the D-III men's games yesterday (NCAA round of 8). Only 484 attended the women's Hockey East semi of Northeastern at Providence (the host). I guess Providence ain't a hockey town.
Quote from: imafrshmnSad fact of the day: a reported 585 people witnessed the historically long Princeton-Brown Game 2, which was fewer than attended 4 of the D-III women's games and 2 of the D-III men's games yesterday (NCAA round of 8). Only 484 attended the women's Hockey East semi of Northeastern at Providence (the host). I guess Providence ain't a hockey town.
Undoubtedly there were even a lot fewer by the end.
Quote from: imafrshmnSad fact of the day: a reported 585 people witnessed the historically long Princeton-Brown Game 2, which was fewer than attended 4 of the D-III women's games and 2 of the D-III men's games yesterday (NCAA round of 8). Only 484 attended the women's Hockey East semi of Northeastern at Providence (the host). I guess Providence ain't a hockey town.
Also, Minnesota ain't a hockey state. :-P
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/gopher-hockey-tops-michigan-in-overtime-in-front-of-1800-fans
Check out the panoramic photos contained in that story. For decades now, the attendance for the on-campus sites for the ECAC tournament has been dreadful, Cornell included. I guess the Big Ten is similar?
it really depends on the replay system.. if they have multiple camera setups most of them you dont really have to do much since the pictures all stay in step. now if they have to watch each replay by themselves then they have to use time stamps. but even in slow mo it looked offsides let alone 2 views at once.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: imafrshmnAlthough neither camera angle is definitive, the video does prove it's offside when you piece together the two angles. But alas, referees are not expected or supposed to be doing this, right?
It was definitely close. I'm not sure what they are supposed to do, but all four officials spent a good amount of time looking at it. Both Scoop85 and I thought it looked offside from the first replay they showed, and we had only looked at it once at that point, from the first angle.
Personally, I'm not a fan of offsides being reviewable. But since it is, I think the officials missed this one.
Quote from: scoop85Personally, I'm not a fan of offsides being reviewable. But since it is, I think the officials missed this one.
I'd like to think that I'd have the fortitude to continue in such a situation, but I wonder if they just wanted to go home...
Quote from: RichHQuote from: imafrshmnSad fact of the day: a reported 585 people witnessed the historically long Princeton-Brown Game 2, which was fewer than attended 4 of the D-III women's games and 2 of the D-III men's games yesterday (NCAA round of 8). Only 484 attended the women's Hockey East semi of Northeastern at Providence (the host). I guess Providence ain't a hockey town.
Also, Minnesota ain't a hockey state. :-P
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/gopher-hockey-tops-michigan-in-overtime-in-front-of-1800-fans
Check out the panoramic photos contained in that story. For decades now, the attendance for the on-campus sites for the ECAC tournament has been dreadful, Cornell included. I guess the Big Ten is similar?
Wow @ that pic of Mariucci. No doubt that attendance, especially during the conference playoffs, has been waning for years. Do other college sports have this problem? Is it a problem, in terms of financial sustainability? I have no clue about these sort of things. It does suck for the players and the fans who show up—a definite buzz killer. Probably a number of factors (that have no doubt been talked about on ELF ad nauseum).
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: RichHQuote from: imafrshmnSad fact of the day: a reported 585 people witnessed the historically long Princeton-Brown Game 2, which was fewer than attended 4 of the D-III women's games and 2 of the D-III men's games yesterday (NCAA round of 8). Only 484 attended the women's Hockey East semi of Northeastern at Providence (the host). I guess Providence ain't a hockey town.
Also, Minnesota ain't a hockey state. :-P
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/gopher-hockey-tops-michigan-in-overtime-in-front-of-1800-fans
Check out the panoramic photos contained in that story. For decades now, the attendance for the on-campus sites for the ECAC tournament has been dreadful, Cornell included. I guess the Big Ten is similar?
Wow @ that pic of Mariucci. No doubt that attendance, especially during the conference playoffs, has been waning for years. Do other college sports have this problem? Is it a problem, in terms of financial sustainability? I have no clue about these sort of things. It does suck for the players and the fans who show up—a definite buzz killer. Probably a number of factors (that have no doubt been talked about on ELF ad nauseum).
The state high school hockey championship was going on at the same time at the Xcel center (where the Wild play). Otherwise, I bet attendance would have been better.
Quote from: DafatoneThe state high school hockey championship was going on at the same time at the Xcel center (where the Wild play). Otherwise, I bet attendance would have been better.
That definitely helps explain it. HS hockey : Minnesota :: HS football : Texas
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: scoop85Brown possible winning goal under review, likely for a possible offsides; last replay they showed seems to be offsides.
I also thought it looked offside, even though the announcers thought it wasn't. I'd like to see a still image of that one.
Check out the attached image. You can just see part of the puck, still not completely across the line. (It's the black dot just below where the player's jersey ends.) The other player is clearly across the line. Very close, but I think Princeton got robbed!
Wow really? Looks very offside. Was this reviewed by the linesman on an iPhone 3?
They took a long, long time reviewing it and presumably had many angles.
I don't like that the most damning piece of evidence above doesn't show the puck. It could be blocked by the player's body and be entirely over the line.
It looked much, much closer on the many replays from 2 different angles the broadcast showed in realtime. I guessed that it would be deemed insufficient for overturning, but we never got an explanation from the refs (there may have been one post-game).
Quote from: TrotskyUnion and Yale advance. Prn @ Brn and SLU @ Drt go to overtime.
If Dartmouth wins their series we play Union. If SLU wins, we play the winner of the Princeton-Brown series.
I would much rather see Union. Brown is playing inspired hockey right now. Dartmouth winning would also mean that Brown goes and plays QU, which would be interesting since QU is missing 3 of their top defensemen for at least the first second-round game.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: TrotskyUnion and Yale advance. Prn @ Brn and SLU @ Drt go to overtime.
If Dartmouth wins their series we play Union. If SLU wins, we play the winner of the Princeton-Brown series.
I would much rather see Union. Brown is playing inspired hockey right now. Dartmouth winning would also mean that Brown goes and plays QU, which would be interesting since QU is missing 3 of their top defensemen for at least the first second-round game.
All is true, but the team would seem to have incentive to show that they can rebound after that terrible :53 at Brown.
Having said that, I think the best chance of the combo of us winning and Q losing is your picks.
Tough choice.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: TrotskyUnion and Yale advance. Prn @ Brn and SLU @ Drt go to overtime.
If Dartmouth wins their series we play Union. If SLU wins, we play the winner of the Princeton-Brown series.
I would much rather see Union. Brown is playing inspired hockey right now. Dartmouth winning would also mean that Brown goes and plays QU, which would be interesting since QU is missing 3 of their top defensemen for at least the first second-round game.
Union (19-11-6, 17th) is a far better team than Brown (13-13-5, 31st), so I would much rather see Brown. Union is senior-dominated and finished their season on a high note. Brown got blown out in both games the final weekend of their regular season and then in 3 minutes managed to blow a 5-2 lead against a bad Princeton team. Given that Cornell would likely be eliminated from the NCAA if they lost the series against either team, they'd certainly be better off playing the easier opponent.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: IcebergQuote from: TrotskyUnion and Yale advance. Prn @ Brn and SLU @ Drt go to overtime.
If Dartmouth wins their series we play Union. If SLU wins, we play the winner of the Princeton-Brown series.
I would much rather see Union. Brown is playing inspired hockey right now. Dartmouth winning would also mean that Brown goes and plays QU, which would be interesting since QU is missing 3 of their top defensemen for at least the first second-round game.
Union (19-11-6, 17th) is a far better team than Brown (13-13-5, 31st), so I would much rather see Brown. Union is senior-dominated and finished their season on a high note. Brown got blown out in both games the final weekend of their regular season and then in 3 minutes managed to blow a 5-2 lead against a bad Princeton team. Given that Cornell would likely be eliminated from the NCAA if they lost the series against either team, they'd certainly be better off playing the easier opponent.
Brown is better than their record, though like you said, they've suddenly tipped downwards. Union's about as good as their record and playing well now. Union would help our RPI a little more in that they have a better record. One of the issues with RPI is that it doesn't take into account how well a team is playing now. Brown's a bigger challenge than their impact on our RPI suggests. Confusingly, our game against RPI reflected this too (Rensselaer had been playing close to .500 hockey in 2019, but their overall record was still bad.)
Either way, goal is to win. If we play well, we can beat either team.
There's something to be said for getting the chance to knock off the better team with a best of 3 at home rather than a single neutral site game.
Had we drawn Princeton in the QF last year we might have been rid of them.
if we cant beat either team at home best of 3, i doubt we get to play again.
if we are healthy and play with some zip we will be fine against both
Quote from: upprdeckif we cant beat either team at home best of 3, i doubt we get to play again.
if we are healthy and play with some zip we will be fine against both
If we go 1-2 against Union, we might survive. But the lose-at-home penalty in RPI could really hurt us.
The more I look at RPI, the more I think the biggest problem is the 1.2x weighting for road wins / home losses and the 0.8x weighting for home wins / road losses. It results in a lot of funky results, such as Arizona State benefiting from playing 18 road games and 14 home games (and going 9-2 in 1.2x games and 12-9 in 0.8x games) and us losing out because we had four road ties (ties on the road are lost opportunities, but ties at home are dodged bullets).
Dartmouth up 1-0 in a really lackluster game 3.
Big Green sporting their Crime Against Humanity jailbird threads.
Quote from: TrotskyDartmouth up 1-0 in a really lackluster game 3.
6-0 now, with 6:01 left in the second period!
Hello, Union...
Quote from: TrotskyHello, Union...
I'm worried.::worry::
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyHello, Union...
I'm worried.::worry::
I'm always worried no matter who we play. Nothing's guaranteed, but if we play up to our capabilities we are the better team.
By definition anybody we faced would have just win a series, so they would be playing at least okay. I'm glad we'll have guys back and rested. I hope the crowd is big and loud.
Just noticed that the top seeds swept in the Big 10 and WCHA also. AHA had a couple of upsets.