The excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.
[b]2019 Cornell Football Schedule
SaturdaY Opponent[/b]
Sep. 21 @ Marist
Sep. 28 @ Yale [b]
Oct. 5 Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)[/b]
Oct. 12 @ Harvard
Oct. 19 Colgate
Oct. 26 Brown
Nov. 2 Princeton
Nov. 9 @ Penn
Nov. 16 @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23 Columbia
For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.
Thx for posting schedule. Might be more excitement if our coach didn't have a 15-45 record.
Quote from: billhowardThe excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.
[b]2019 Cornell Football Schedule
SaturdaY Opponent[/b]
Sep. 21 @ Marist
Sep. 28 @ Yale [b]
Oct. 5 Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)[/b]
Oct. 12 @ Harvard
Oct. 19 Colgate
Oct. 26 Brown
Nov. 2 Princeton
Nov. 9 @ Penn
Nov. 16 @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23 Columbia
For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.
More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardThe excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.
[b]2019 Cornell Football Schedule
SaturdaY Opponent[/b]
Sep. 21 @ Marist
Sep. 28 @ Yale [b]
Oct. 5 Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)[/b]
Oct. 12 @ Harvard
Oct. 19 Colgate
Oct. 26 Brown
Nov. 2 Princeton
Nov. 9 @ Penn
Nov. 16 @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23 Columbia
For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.
More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.
Quote from: scoop85More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
The only forgiving non-conference schedule these days would be not having one.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardThe excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.
[b]2019 Cornell Football Schedule
SaturdaY Opponent[/b]
Sep. 21 @ Marist
Sep. 28 @ Yale [b]
Oct. 5 Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)[/b]
Oct. 12 @ Harvard
Oct. 19 Colgate
Oct. 26 Brown
Nov. 2 Princeton
Nov. 9 @ Penn
Nov. 16 @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23 Columbia
For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.
More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.
Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardThe excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.
[b]2019 Cornell Football Schedule
SaturdaY Opponent[/b]
Sep. 21 @ Marist
Sep. 28 @ Yale [b]
Oct. 5 Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)[/b]
Oct. 12 @ Harvard
Oct. 19 Colgate
Oct. 26 Brown
Nov. 2 Princeton
Nov. 9 @ Penn
Nov. 16 @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23 Columbia
For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.
More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.
Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
Rik Smits thanks you for remembering.
Quote from: scoop85Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
Marist backs onto a half mile or so of Hudson Riverfront, but unlike Stevens in Hoboken, no dorms with a river view, I believe. Yes, a rising rep, but on the campus tours 6-8 years back, the walker-talkers spend a lot of time talking about how seriously Marist treats alcohol infractions. Also it didn't sound like a school where you asked if the infirmary gives out condoms at the front desk. On the plus side, when the women's basketball team made the NCAAs (see how different Marist is), and it was on TV, Marist needed students on TV, so they chartered a plane for the day to, say, St. Louis. Twenty bucks got you the flight out and back, a ticket, and a Marist T-shirt. That got our son excited, but not as much as the concern over alcohol storm troopers.
Cornell got a commitment from this kid (https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/javonni-cunningham-33337) who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardThe excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.
[b]2019 Cornell Football Schedule
SaturdaY Opponent[/b]
Sep. 21 @ Marist
Sep. 28 @ Yale [b]
Oct. 5 Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)[/b]
Oct. 12 @ Harvard
Oct. 19 Colgate
Oct. 26 Brown
Nov. 2 Princeton
Nov. 9 @ Penn
Nov. 16 @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23 Columbia
For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.
More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.
Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
Rik Smits thanks you for remembering.
I saw Smits at a Marist-CU basketball game in Ithaca years ago.
Quote from: scoop85Cornell got a commitment from this kid (https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/javonni-cunningham-33337) who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.
Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)
The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Cornell got a commitment from this kid (https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/javonni-cunningham-33337) who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.
Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)
The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.
One of the recruiting sites had him as a 3 star, but I agree his size likely lowered his stock a bit from the ratings folks. Nonetheless he's the first player I can recall turning down a Michigan offer to come to Cornell.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Cornell got a commitment from this kid (https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/javonni-cunningham-33337) who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.
Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)
The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.
One of the recruiting sites had him as a 3 star, but I agree his size likely lowered his stock a bit from the ratings folks. Nonetheless he's the first player I can recall turning down a Michigan offer to come to Cornell.
Maybe they wanted him to switch to DB or saw himself as roster filler there.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Cornell got a commitment from this kid (https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/javonni-cunningham-33337) who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.
Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)
The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.
One of the recruiting sites had him as a 3 star, but I agree his size likely lowered his stock a bit from the ratings folks. Nonetheless he's the first player I can recall turning down a Michigan offer to come to Cornell.
Well, A.D. White left Michigan and (eventually) went to Cornell. ::popcorn::
Former New Milford star Ed Marinaro called in to Signing Day to congratulate Cornell-bound Emmett McElroy.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/darren-cooper/2019/02/06/ed-marinaro-livens-up-new-milfords-signing-day-emmett-mcelroy/2795115002/
Quote from: Ken711Former New Milford star Ed Marinaro called in to Signing Day to congratulate Cornell-bound Emmett McElroy.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/darren-cooper/2019/02/06/ed-marinaro-livens-up-new-milfords-signing-day-emmett-mcelroy/2795115002/
That's fantastic
Quote from: Ken711Former New Milford star Ed Marinaro called in to Signing Day to congratulate Cornell-bound Emmett McElroy.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/darren-cooper/2019/02/06/ed-marinaro-livens-up-new-milfords-signing-day-emmett-mcelroy/2795115002/
Great article. Thanks!
It sort of makes up for the Arizona Daily Star article on Stone Gettings, which seems to diss Cornell every chance it can, and for TD Ierlan choosing that shithole school in New Haven over Cornell.
Or is it "that school in the shithole called New Haven?"
ITHACA, N.Y. -- The Cornell football team will host defending Ivy League champion Princeton on Friday, Nov. 1 at 6 p.m. on ESPNU as part of the Ivy League's ESPN football package. The contest will be one of seven games that will appear on ESPN linear networks during the 2019 season. This is the 12th-consecutive year that the league will feature a national football television package.
IVY LEAGUE FOOTBALL ON ESPN LINEAR NETWORKS
Date Game Time Broadcast
Friday, Sept. 27 Brown at Harvard 7 p.m. ESPNews
Friday, Oct. 4 Dartmouth at Penn 7 p.m. ESPNU
Friday, Oct. 11 Lafayette at Princeton 7 p.m. ESPNU
Friday, Oct. 25 Columbia at Dartmouth 6 p.m. ESPNU
Friday, Nov. 1 Princeton at Cornell 6 p.m. ESPNU
Saturday, Nov. 9 Princeton vs. Dartmouth TBD TBD
Saturday, Nov. 23 Harvard at Yale TBD TBD
Bring rain gear and snow pants.
Quote from: billhowardBring rain gear and snow pants.
...to my living room to watch television?
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: billhowardBring rain gear and snow pants.
...to my living room to watch television?
*traces a line on your palm* ... and this means your ceiling will cave in
Former Cornell rb Chris Walker transferred to Eastern Illinois. He battled injuries here and could have come back a 5th medical year, but decided on a change of schools.
https://jg-tc.com/sports/college/eastern/eastern-illinois-football-understands-the-outside-expectations-but-otherwise-will/article_c90368d4-649a-5a33-a818-1e62a998ebcf.html
His transfer might be related to financial aid. At Cornell I do not they extend financial aid beyond 4 years.
Quote from: Ken711Former Cornell rb Chris Walker transferred to Eastern Illinois. He battled injuries here and could have come back a 5th medical year, but decided on a change of schools.
https://jg-tc.com/sports/college/eastern/eastern-illinois-football-understands-the-outside-expectations-but-otherwise-will/article_c90368d4-649a-5a33-a818-1e62a998ebcf.html
Quote from: Jarad Jarman, Journal Gazette & Times-CourierThe Panthers were picked eighth in the OVC's official preseason poll, as voted by head coaches and sports information directors. The league's media poll, released last week, predicted the same finish.
Q: Why transfer when you could have stayed at Cornell and play for a team also (probably) picked to finish 8th?
A: The Ohio Valley Conference has nine teams.
You need someone to confirm that a student has an academic reason to stay at Cornell beyond 8 semesters to get financial aid after 4 years.
In Andy's 20 years as AD, Cornell football has had 2 winning seasons. In the 11 years prior to Andy taking over as AD, Cornell football had 6 winning seasons. Discuss amongst yourselves
Quote from: CASIn Andy's 20 years as AD, Cornell football has had 2 winning seasons. In the 11 years prior to Andy taking over as AD, Cornell football had 6 winning seasons. Discuss amongst yourselves
To make it look feel even worse, look at these stats from the CFA letter to it's members:
Quote from: Football Record Since 1999: 2 winning seasons | Overall winning percentage 35.6% | Ivy League winning percentage 34.2% | Last 10 seasons overall winning percentage 28% | Last 10 seasons Ivy League winning percentage 25.7% – RESULTS MATTER!\\"
So in Andy's 20-year tenure as AD, a winning football team has turned into a perennial doormat, with uncompetitive facilities, insufficient funding, & alienated supporters who may no longer financially support the program.
Quote from: CASSo in Andy's 20-year tenure as AD, a winning football team has turned into a perennial doormat, with uncompetitive facilities, insufficient funding, & alienated supporters who may no longer financially support the program.
Pretty much. And your point? ::deadhorse::
Is it time yet for another 6-year extension?
Quote from: CASIs it time yet for another 6-year extension?
Honestly, I can't see how this Cornell AD and administration can keep Archer as HC beyond this, his 7th year, unless he can lead this team to at least a .500 record (hopes of seriously challenging for an Ivy Championship are pure fantasy and have been for years). I suspect in reality, the 2019 team is headed for another losing record.
EIU lists him as a graduate transfer (https://eiupanthers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=6680). Assuming that's true, he couldn't have played for the Big Red this season unless he decided to postpone graduation. That's an Ivy League issue and not a Cornell FB issue (which is good because the FB program has enough issues).
Of course, the EIU website also says Walker played four years with the Bears, so who knows about its accuracy?
Quote from: mountainredOf course, the EIU website also says Walker played four years with the Bears, so who knows about its accuracy?
And
Quotewas a first-team All-Patriot League selection as a sophomore ranking 42nd nationally in yards per carry
What a surprise, Cornell is picked to finish in the bottom half of the Ivy League yet again. Lucky for Cornell Brown is picked last... ;-)
Quote from: ITHACA, N.Y. -- Cornell was picked to finish seventh in the 2019 Ivy League Football Preseason Media Poll it was announced today. The Big Red will kick off the new campaign with its sights set on having a much bigger impact on the league standings when it visits Marist on Saturday, Sept. 21 at 12 p.m.
Yale was picked to win the league for the second straight year, with defending champion Princeton sitting third and receiving four first-place votes, second only to the Bulldogs' nine. Dartmouth, chosen second overall, received two first-place votes and Harvard and Columbia claimed one each. Two media members from each of the eight schools and one national media member comprised the poll.
"2019 Ivy League Football Preseason Poll (First-Place Votes)
1. Yale (9) 119
2. Dartmouth (2) 111
3. Princeton (4) 107
4. Harvard (1) 93
5. Penn 67
6. Columbia (1) 61
7. Cornell 29
8. Brown 24"
Hey, we're not last.
Quote from: TrotskyHey, we're not last.
Is that the team motto for this season.... "Hey, we're not last!"
Brown has a new head coach & a QB transfer from Boston College. Cornell has Dave Archer (15-45) returning for his 7th year as head coach.
Quote from: CASBrown has a new head coach & a QB transfer from Boston College. Cornell has Dave Archer (15-45) returning for his 7th year as head coach.
QB should have come to Cornell as part of the Steve Donahue deal and player to be named later.
Quote from: CASBrown has a new head coach & a QB transfer from Boston College. Cornell has Dave Archer (15-45) returning for his 7th year as head coach.
And hopefully his last season. :-D
Have we gotten any better?
(Record in Ivy games)
[b]Yr W-L PF PA Diff[/b]
12 2-5 182 220 -42
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13 2-5 174 251 -77
14 1-6 126 258 -132
15 1-6 101 219 -118
16 2-5 143 225 -82
17 3-4 134 155 -21
18 2-5 138 215 -77
Yikes. No.
Cornell went 5-5 & 4-6 (9-11 overall ) in the two years prior to the Archer era. 15-45 since. Btw Brown let go of a coach after he had 3 losing seasons, despite going 115-94 overall & winning 3 Ivy titles.
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
Like it matters?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
Like it matters?
That's true...::thud::
Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
Andrew Luck?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
Andrew Luck?
He certainly wouldn't cost Cornell anything given the $24 million he's being paid by the Colts this season,
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
Andrew Luck?
He certainly wouldn't cost Cornell anything given the $24 million he's being paid by the Colts this season,
Never mind as a coach...does he have any eligibility left.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
Andrew Luck?
He certainly wouldn't cost Cornell anything given the $24 million he's being paid by the Colts this season,
Never mind as a coach...does he have any eligibility left.
Probably not. But maybe we can make him the lifetime QB coach, or give him lifetime parking, in return for him donating a tax write-off indoor practice facility. Of course, we'd name it (Good) Luck Hall.
Our former QB coach left Cornell in June for the powerhouse program Hamilton College.
Quote from: CASOur former QB coach left Cornell in June for the powerhouse program Hamilton College.
Shane Hurd goes from HC Union Endicott HS --> QB coach Cornell --> offensive coordinator Hamilton. That may be upward progress. Plus he's looking at lower housing costs in Clinton, NY. https://athletics.hamilton.edu/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20190625jqz76w
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Never mind as a coach...does he have any eligibility left.
We do have a better O-line than the Colts.
Gonna be any
football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
[list=1]
- We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system.
- The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh.
- Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell.
4. We have very few bandwagon fans.
Quote from: billhowardGonna be any football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
[list=1]
- We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system. Who's record is 15–45 overall.
- The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh. And haven't finished above 4th since 2004.
- Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell. And neither will the football program receive any more funding from the Cornell Football Alumni Association.
Frankly, the only positive is this will hopefully be the last year under David Archer.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardGonna be any football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
[list=1]
- We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system. Who's record is 15–45 overall.
- The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh. And haven't finished above 4th since 2004.
- Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell. And neither will the football program receive any more funding from the Cornell Football Alumni Association.
Frankly, the only positive is this will hopefully be the last year under David Archer.
Sadly, we said that last year, too.
Quote from: Trotsky4. We have very few bandwagon fans.
And we have a band.
Quote from: martyQuote from: Trotsky4. We have very few bandwagon fans.
And we have a band.
Do they have a wagon?
Quote from: billhowardGonna be any football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
[list=1]
- We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system.
- The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh.
- Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell.
[list=1]
- We have a system???
- The voting was close.
- You know this how, exactly? Seems to me we'd HAVE to pay these poor guys to play here.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardNobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell. And neither will the football program receive any more funding from the Cornell Football Alumni Association.
Frankly, the only positive is this will hopefully be the last year under David Archer.
I don't understand why this is still a problem. The issues are NCAA rules, and that CU must follow them. If anyone has had any contact with "big time college sports", they will realize all the hoops that schools have to go through to be sure they stay in compliance.
It just is what it is. You can't have an independent group helping to support a sports team. The school is responsible for everything, even someone who acts on their own. If that group does something "illegal", the school suffers, not the group.
If the school knowingly receives help from someone who doesn't follow the rules, down can come the hammer.
Institutional control is mandatory, like it or not.
I believe CFA's issue is with the inadequate level of support the university provides for the football program. This is less about institutional control of a booster group & more about providing the necessary funding, facilities, & staff required for a competitive Ivy program. As the CFA states in their letter, after two decades of abysmal results, "Results matter". The CFA is much closer to the situation than I am. And they vote no confidence in the stewardship of our football program
Quote from: CASI believe CFA's issue is with the inadequate level of support the university provides for the football program. This is less about institutional control of a booster group & more about providing the necessary funding, facilities, & staff required for a competitive Ivy program. As the CFA states in their letter, after two decades of abysmal results, "Results matter". The CFA is much closer to the situation than I am. And they vote no confidence in the stewardship of our football program
From Andy's 7/31 letter:
"Among the most important concepts in the NCAA is that of institutional control. Simply put, this concept requires that institutions implement processes and procedures to minimize the incidence and frequency of rules violations. Institutional control applies to the institution and to any external persons or groups considered "Representatives of the University's Athletics Interests." Institutions are responsible not only for their own activities, but also for the activities (and potential rules violations) of their external support groups, even where those groups are organized as legally independent organizations – the NCAA imputes the conduct of such organizations to the institutional member.
T
he CFA and its members are defined as Representatives of Cornell's Athletics Interests, and therefore must be subject to Cornell's monitoring and oversight to ensure demonstrable institutional control. The current leadership of this organization has refused necessary and compliant monitoring and oversight, and as a result, Cornell University has no choice but to disassociate from the current leadership of the CFA and decline support from this group.The entire issue at hand is the CFA leadership's refusal to comply with required but reasonable NCAA mandates regarding institutional control."
Jim, why do you think that the CFA board, which is comprised of some of Cornell football's greatest players & generous supporters, took this action?
Quote from: CASJim, why do you think that the CFA board, which is comprised of some of Cornell football's greatest players & generous supporters, took this action?
I have no idea, but I've thought that they were unhappy with the way the program is going.
The problem is that they cannot help the program from the outside. They have to be monitored by the university.
If indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring, then it's the old nose/face routine.
Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
So they have shuffled the staff around and named the Offense Coordinator also as the QB coach, even though he never played the position in college. Then they promote a staff member to TE coach who never played football in college....got it. A powerhouse football coaching staff, what could possibly go wrong. ::rolleyes::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/9/3/mcdonough-promoted-on-football-staff-dubowski-terry-added.aspx
Quote from: Jim HylaIf indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring
Is that something the CFA itself announced or is it the university's characterization?
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx
So they have shuffled the staff around and named the Offense Coordinator also as the QB coach, even though he never played the position in college. Then they promote a staff member to TE coach who never played football in college....got it. A powerhouse football coaching staff, what could possibly go wrong. ::rolleyes::
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/9/3/mcdonough-promoted-on-football-staff-dubowski-terry-added.aspx
The new coaching intern assigned to defense was a backup quarterback for Michigan State, getting one start in five years.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaIf indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring
Is that something the CFA itself announced or is it the university's characterization?
I've not seen the CFA talk about this, but to me silence, at least from what I know, is itself an answer.
If they were willing to be monitored, why wouldn't they publicize it?
I've not read all of CFA's writings. So I'd be happy to defer to someone who has better knowledge.
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
Quote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.
Quote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university. They
have to submit to monitoring. The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.
As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line. They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year. They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations. And let's not even start on real estate.
The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash. Everything else is a means to that end for them.
It appears to me that is what the new CFA is doing - withholding cash. They will still sponsor tailgates & host a golf outing, but won't finance a football program that's won but 25% of its Ivy games in the last decade
Quote from: CASIt appears to me that is what the new CFA is doing - withholding cash. They will still sponsor tailgates & host a golf outing, but won't finance a football program that's won but 25% of its Ivy games in the last decade
You are exactly right. As an aside, last year when there was voices expressing frustration with the direction of the football program, and calling for the firing to David Archer, the AD asked the CFA to publicly join him in support of the head coach after yet another losing season, including that embarrassing record setting 66-0 loss to Princeton, the CFA wouldn't provide that public support.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university. They have to submit to monitoring. The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.
As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line. They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year. They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations. And let's not even start on real estate.
The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash. Everything else is a means to that end for them.
like every university and athletic program in the US
Quote from: underskillQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university. They have to submit to monitoring. The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.
As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line. They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year. They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations. And let's not even start on real estate.
The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash. Everything else is a means to that end for them.
like every university and athletic program in the US
My point precisely. The hockey team is a divine blessing descended from Heaven to Earth for our salvation. The professors* are protectors of the guttering candle of knowledge. The university can DIAF.
*
Arts and Sciences, obviously.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.
But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
Quote from: martyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.
But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
that's MY point!
Isn't it the CFA's point that Cornell football needs an intervention. Continuing to fund the program without a plan by the administration to improve it just perpetuates the problem. Again, as the CFA states, results matter. Winning only 25% of Ivy games in the last decade calls for dramatic change.
Quote from: CASIsn't it the CFA's point that Cornell football needs an intervention. Continuing to fund the program without a plan by the administration to improve it just perpetuates the problem. Again, as the CFA states, results matter. Winning only 25% of Ivy games in the last decade calls for dramatic change.
An intervention is exactly what happened with Columbia's football program using a football consultant outside their athletic administration after years and years of fielding a losing teams.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CASIsn't it the CFA's point that Cornell football needs an intervention. Continuing to fund the program without a plan by the administration to improve it just perpetuates the problem. Again, as the CFA states, results matter. Winning only 25% of Ivy games in the last decade calls for dramatic change.
An intervention is exactly what happened with Columbia's football program using a football consultant outside their athletic administration after years and years of fielding a losing teams.
Couldn't hurt. For that matter we could use the same firm. They seem to have given good advice.
Although if the advice is anything like what Harvard basketball got it's pretty obvious: "spend money and cheat."
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: martyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.
But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
that's MY point!
Cornell may be killing two, make that three, birds with one stone.
* Cornell bears the burden if a supporting group does something outside the boundaries of what the NCAA allows, so it clamps down.
* Cornell doesn't like other people telling it what to do.
* Under the guise of compliance, Cornell can muzzle a group calling out the unfortunate truth of Cornell's football difficulties.
Be curious to see if there's a Cornell football supporters [image of Big Red Bear with a gag in its mouth] tent at the Marist game. You have made plans to attend?
A recurring thought: How bad must Brown be to be ranked last, sorry, eighth, in the league forecast? Did the kids who got in with half-million-dollar donations decide they really wanted to play football?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: ugarteQuote from: martyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: CASThe CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.
But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
that's MY point!
Cornell may be killing two, make that three, birds with one stone.
* Cornell bears the burden if a supporting group does something outside the boundaries of what the NCAA allows, so it clamps down.
* Cornell doesn't like other people telling it what to do.
* Under the guise of compliance, Cornell can muzzle a group calling out the unfortunate truth of Cornell's football difficulties.
Be curious to see if there's a Cornell football supporters [image of Big Red Bear with a gag in its mouth] tent at the Marist game. You have made plans to attend?
A recurring thought: How bad must Brown be to be ranked last, sorry, eighth, in the league forecast? Did the kids who got in with half-million-dollar donations decide they really wanted to play football?
Brown has a new coach which explains that forecasted finish, but a brighter future I would say from a coaching standpoint.
Homecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.
Quote from: TrotskyHomecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.
...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyHomecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.
...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
Hope so. Final 69-0, with Catholic rushing 23 times for -8 yards.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyHomecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.
...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
Hope so. Final 69-0, with Catholic rushing 23 times for -8 yards.
Georgetown also walloped next week's Cornell opponent, Marist, 44-3.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyHomecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.
...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
Hope so. Final 69-0, with Catholic rushing 23 times for -8 yards.
Georgetown also walloped next week's Cornell opponent, Marist, 44-3.
Cornell should easily beat Marist.
From a
Sun season preview. (https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/14/five-things-football-coach-archer-05-said-before-the-2019-season/)
Quote from: Archer"[We're] really [reinventing] the way we're doing things: We're running a different scheme on offense, we're on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods ... attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you're also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up."
"I felt like my approach was 'Hey, I'm going to recruit the best players, I'm gonna develop them, I'm gonna run really sound schemes, and we're gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don't think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we're doing."
"I don't think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn't give our team enough of a chance. I didn't have a good curveball ... off my fastball."
Quote from: David HardingFrom a Sun season preview. (https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/14/five-things-football-coach-archer-05-said-before-the-2019-season/)
Quote from: Archer"[We're] really [reinventing] the way we're doing things: We're running a different scheme on offense, we're on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods ... attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you're also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up."
"I felt like my approach was 'Hey, I'm going to recruit the best players, I'm gonna develop them, I'm gonna run really sound schemes, and we're gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don't think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we're doing."
"I don't think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn't give our team enough of a chance. I didn't have a good curveball ... off my fastball."
Sounds like BS, and that he doesn't have a quarterback who can run a normal offense.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: David HardingFrom a Sun season preview. (https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/14/five-things-football-coach-archer-05-said-before-the-2019-season/)
Quote from: Archer"[We're] really [reinventing] the way we're doing things: We're running a different scheme on offense, we're on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods ... attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you're also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up."
"I felt like my approach was 'Hey, I'm going to recruit the best players, I'm gonna develop them, I'm gonna run really sound schemes, and we're gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don't think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we're doing."
"I don't think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn't give our team enough of a chance. I didn't have a good curveball ... off my fastball."
Reads like BS, and that he doesn't have a quarterback who can run a normal offense.
Reads like gibberish to me but I'm not sure I can delineate the difference between BS and double talk. Not sure Archer can either.
Quote from: David HardingFrom a Sun season preview. (https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/14/five-things-football-coach-archer-05-said-before-the-2019-season/)
Quote from: Archer"[We're] really [reinventing] the way we're doing things: We're running a different scheme on offense, we're on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods ... attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you're also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up."
"I felt like my approach was 'Hey, I'm going to recruit the best players, I'm gonna develop them, I'm gonna run really sound schemes, and we're gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don't think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we're doing."
"I don't think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn't give our team enough of a chance. I didn't have a good curveball ... off my fastball."
Haven't there been very successful coaches who (a) recruit great players, (b) train them very well, and (c) execute plays the other teams can't stop even though they know what's coming?
So now Archer successfully recruited the best players. He developed them to their full potential. He had them run really sound schemes. But the only reason they lost was because the other teams weren't surprised?
I thought unpredictable surprise is the essence of some "sound" schemes, like play action.
Quote from: martyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: David HardingFrom a Sun season preview. (https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/14/five-things-football-coach-archer-05-said-before-the-2019-season/)
Quote from: Archer"[We're] really [reinventing] the way we're doing things: We're running a different scheme on offense, we're on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods ... attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you're also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up."
"I felt like my approach was 'Hey, I'm going to recruit the best players, I'm gonna develop them, I'm gonna run really sound schemes, and we're gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don't think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we're doing."
"I don't think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn't give our team enough of a chance. I didn't have a good curveball ... off my fastball."
Reads like BS, and that he doesn't have a quarterback who can run a normal offense.
Reads like gibberish to me but I'm not sure I can delineate the difference between BS and double talk. Not sure Archer can either.
Neither can Andy, apparently.
Quote from: "I don't think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn't give our team enough of a chance.
In other words, teams could easily game plan for Cornell after watching a few games on film, and Cornell never had the coaching capability to install new schemes to match later season opponents. The Cornell Sun article to me reads as Archer trying anything new this season to save his job.
"I have the best words ... the best people." Maybe we can be more quotable than Yale-Dartmouth-Princeton.
i hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Quote from: ugartei hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Whereas the scoreboard thread ...
Quote from: ugartei hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Bitch, bitch, bitch. Always so negative. ::flipd:: Always pointing out the glass is half empty.
Look at the bright side. We haven't lost a game either. Two weeks into the college football season, and we're still undefeated. ::banana::::cheer::::drunk::
Quote from: SwampyLook at the bright side. We haven't lost a game either. Two weeks into the college football season, and we're still undefeated. ::banana::::cheer::::drunk::
that's the spirit
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: ugartei hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Whereas the scoreboard thread ...
Nobody's saying the
team sucks on the Scoreboard thread.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: ugartei hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Whereas the scoreboard thread ...
i feel like my restraint on the scoreboard thread has been admirable
Would you be optimistic about the coming wrestling season if you had a head coach entering his 7th season with a 15-45 record (& no improvement in record from year 1 to year 6)?
Quote from: CASWould you be optimistic about the coming wrestling season if you had a head coach entering his 7th season with a 15-45 record (& no improvement in record from year 1 to year 6)?
i'm not optimistic about the football season but i it's exhausting to check in every day to see a new comment and every time it's the exact same complaints - the phrasing barely changes. there's never anything interesting like a roster analysis or thoughts about what could be improved. just a lot of "this should be better and yet it isn't and i'm mad" with bonus garment rending about how andy noel doesn't care about football, which is pretty unlikely.
That's the point. It appears nothing is being done to improve results (re funding, staffing, facilities, player experience, game day atmosphere). Dunno whether Andy cares, but it's indisputable that during his tenure as AD, Cornell football has turned from a winning program into an Ivy doormat. Have you heard Andy's plan to turn things around?
Quote from: CASThat's the point. It appears nothing is being done to improve results (re funding, staffing, facilities, player experience, game day atmosphere). Dunno whether Andy cares, but it's indisputable that during his tenure as AD, Cornell football has turned from a winning program into an Ivy doormat. Have you heard Andy's plan to turn things around?
nope. but i've heard 400 times, like it was being submitted by a bot, that he lacks one. it's like i'm waiting for a trim in hell's barbershop.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: CASThat's the point. It appears nothing is being done to improve results (re funding, staffing, facilities, player experience, game day atmosphere). Dunno whether Andy cares, but it's indisputable that during his tenure as AD, Cornell football has turned from a winning program into an Ivy doormat. Have you heard Andy's plan to turn things around?
nope. but i've heard 400 times, like it was being submitted by a bot, that he lacks one. it's like i'm waiting for a trim in hell's barbershop.
Hey I predict an Ivy League Football Championship this season....10-0 Baby!!! How's that for optimistic. :-D
Anyone else notice that games will no longer be broadcast over the air or online with WHCU? WHCU is currently running a notice stating that despite having had the games for a decade or so they are no longer able to air them because of the ESPN contract. I wonder if this will impact hockey as well. I doubt the remaining local football supporters who rely on the radio broadcast are going to be running ESPN+ on their Zenith tv set. Quite disappointing if Cornell athletics will no longer have a free listening option.
Quote from: BahnstormAnyone else notice that games will no longer be broadcast over the air or online with WHCU? WHCU is currently running a notice stating that despite having had the games for a decade or so they are no longer able to air them because of the ESPN contract. I wonder if this will impact hockey as well. I doubt the remaining local football supporters who rely on the radio broadcast are going to be running ESPN+ on their Zenith tv set. Quite disappointing if Cornell athletics will no longer have a free listening option.
i just asked - cornell hockey is still on whcu, everything else is exclusively espn+.
espn+ is a video broadcast.. why would that effect the radio side?
does this mean no Lax anymore too on the radio?
syracuse has a full ESPN+ presence. but they still have everything on the radio side available.
It looks like other Ivy schools (well, at least the two I bothered to check) also have radio broadcasts listed for their games. Did Cornell football have separate announcers for its radio and ESPN+ broadcasts? I wonder if that was the issue, as hockey does have two sets of announcers.
a school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream
there are not a ton of die hard football fans left but there still a group that goes and tailgates and might want a radio signal, or god forbid want to listen on the road in a car
here's what cornell told me. no espn audio stream.
Quote from: upprdeckthere are not a ton of die hard football fans left
I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.
And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along. And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.
But. We are now to the point where the
youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80. Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades. How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?
I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckthere are not a ton of die hard football fans left
I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans./quote]
Your cutoff date is too soon. Ivy football was competitive at the D1 level at least into the 70s. Yale won the Lambert Trophy in 1960, Dartmouth in 1965 and 1970, Marinaro should have been given the Heisman in 1971.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckthere are not a ton of die hard football fans left
I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.
And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along. And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.
But. We are now to the point where the youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80. Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades. How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?
I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?
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Doubtful they ever drop to D3. And you're discounting the fans and alumni supporters that followed Cornell during the successful Marinaro and Maxie Baughan and Jim Hofher era years.
Quote from: TrotskyI've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?
We're in the Football Championship Division, nee Division 1-A. It is the downsized D1 without dropping to D3. It has a playoff and a chance to win an NCAA national championship, as 10-0 Princeton might have come close to last year were it not for the Ivy presidents not wanting this one sport to have a post-season championship playoff. A lot of like-Cornell schools are there: Colgate, Georgetown, Lafayette, Lehigh, Villanova, and the eight Ivies.
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Quote from: upprdeckthere are not a ton of die hard football fans left but there still a group that goes and tailgates and might want a radio signal, or god forbid want to listen on the road in a car
Indeed, the reach of WHCU's signal can be staggering. I've caught it on the other side of the Greens on skiing trips from CT to VT.
What constitutes a "die hard" football fan? I was a bandie, so I have more than a casual interest. And I definitely would make an effort to catch a potential championship-clinching game. Of course that hasn't been a concern for about 19 years now...
Ah, the 2000 Ivy Bowl: snow/sleet all over the bleachers; an utter collapse by us; and Andy Noel, at midfield, over the PA, and with most hearty congratulations, gleefully handing Penn the championship trophy!
Great memories. At least I was drunk. Good damn thing we tied Harvard and beat Brown that weekend.
I kinda understand some of the logic behind no radio. money drives everything. But it also makes several assumptions.. the idea that people will pay for ESPN+, which many wont. It also assumes people have smart phones, which many dontm if they want t listen while at a game is just dumb. you cant stream a 3 hr game on a phone and have any phone battery left. also there are people at every hockey game trying to listen to bball, that wont happen any more. people in cars are done, people at home listening are done.
ESPN+ is great if you want to watch or are living across the country. WHCU had a stream for listening that is gone too.
Its just a short sighted idea where new is always better.
we are only talking about a few sports that were on the radio.
Quote from: upprdeckI kinda understand some of the logic behind no radio. money drives everything. But it also makes several assumptions.. the idea that people will pay for ESPN+, which many wont. It also assumes people have smart phones, which many dontm if they want t listen while at a game is just dumb. you cant stream a 3 hr game on a phone and have any phone battery left. also there are people at every hockey game trying to listen to bball, that wont happen any more. people in cars are done, people at home listening are done.
ESPN+ is great if you want to watch or are living across the country. WHCU had a stream for listening that is gone too.
Its just a short sighted idea where new is always better.
we are only talking about a few sports that were on the radio.
Agree completely. Many times I'd go to WHCU whem the video feed was broken. Also when the team hosting Cornell didn't have a webcast.
Quote from: upprdecka school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream
Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?
At Marist Saturday, gametime 12 noon, weather forecast for sunny/partly cloudy and low 80s. Tickets are $10. The stadium seats 5,000 plus apparently lawn seating. There are details at goredfoxes.com which URL I mis-ready.
We go into the game and might emerge from the game unbeaten, something harder to claim later in 2019.
Bill Howard +1
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckthere are not a ton of die hard football fans left
I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.
Your cutoff date is too soon. Ivy football was competitive at the D1 level at least into the 70s. Yale won the Lambert Trophy in 1960, Dartmouth in 1965 and 1970, Marinaro should have been given the Heisman in 1971.
That's fair. After all, Doonesbury started as a joke about how Yalies gave a shit about Brian Dowling and that was around 1968.
Let's be super generous then and move the cut to 1981, the year the Ivies were kicked out of D1-A for not admitting the
actual functional morons who eventually graduate from Duke and Stanford instead. If 1970 births are the standard we still have about 20 years of cold demography to go before the mouthbreathers cease to attract Cornell's gold-encrusted attention.
And by then the Power Five will be a fully professional Premier League and Cornell may actually be competitive at the children's table.
Cornell pre-game story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/9/18/football-marist-fb-preview-2019.aspx?path=football
And from Marist:
Quote from: Marist CollegeTailgating for Marist Football https://goredfoxes.com/sports/2011/9/18/205274116.aspx
The following tailgating policy is in effect to ensure a safe and enjoyable tailgating experience for our fans. The Marist College Athletics Department encourages fans to arrive early, tailgate, and enjoy Marist football.
Tailgating Policy
Tailgating is limited to the McCann/Sheahan parking lot and is NOT permitted in the Donnelly parking lot. Tailgating spaces are limited. Chairs, tables, tents, etc. must be confined to a small area around your vehicle. Tailgating will only be permitted during pre-game and post-game. There is no re-entry since restroom facilities are now available inside the stadium.
All alcoholic beverages must be consumed from plastic/paper cups. No glass containers, cans, funnels or similar devices will be allowed. Kegs, drinking games and/or mass consumption of alcohol are prohibited. Underage drinking is not permitted; all local and state laws must be obeyed.
The Student Code of Conduct prohibits students from Tailgating at any time, even if they are over 21 years of age. Consumption of Alcohol and/or possession of an open container is not permitted on the grounds of the campus without prior approval of the Vice-President of Student Affairs.
All others are subject to rules and regulations set forth by Marist College. Violations of any of these policies will result in removal from the campus and a ban from the tailgating area.
Marist College reserves the right to restrict tailgating at its sole discretion.
Students can't tailgate? I do recall when our son toured Marist the student tour guides devoted a couple minutes to what could happen if you're caught drinking. On the plus side, when the Marist women made the basketball NCAAs a decade ago, Marist chartered a plane for the one-and-done and ten bucks, or something nominal, got a flight to the game, ground transportation, a ticket, and a Red Foxes tee. Probably so when the cameras panned the student section, there were Marist students to show.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdecka school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream
Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?
I've been concerned in the past that eLynah doesn't have a sarcasm font. I'm coming to believe it's self-embedded.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdecka school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream
Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?
I've been concerned in the past that eLynah doesn't have a sarcasm font. I'm coming to believe it's self-embedded.
The sarcasm font at eLynah is plain text.
Dartmouth made the NCAA top 20 polls circa 1970, maybe got as high as 15th. In D1 football.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdecka school with billions of endowment couldnt afford to hire a few people to do broadcasts for the radio.. or they wouldnt send the espn+ side to the radio stream
Has it really been that long since the last time we went over how endowments work?
I've been concerned in the past that eLynah doesn't have a sarcasm font. I'm coming to believe it's self-embedded.
The sarcasm font at eLynah is plain text.
Happy to be the setup guy. Good one, twice over.
I like to think I know how it works and what budgets can get used for this as part of the job.
Quote from: billhowardCornell pre-game story: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/9/18/football-marist-fb-preview-2019.aspx?path=football
And from Marist:
Quote from: Marist CollegeTailgating for Marist Football https://goredfoxes.com/sports/2011/9/18/205274116.aspx
The following tailgating policy is in effect to ensure a safe and enjoyable tailgating experience for our fans. The Marist College Athletics Department encourages fans to arrive early, tailgate, and enjoy Marist football.
Tailgating Policy
Tailgating is limited to the McCann/Sheahan parking lot and is NOT permitted in the Donnelly parking lot. Tailgating spaces are limited. Chairs, tables, tents, etc. must be confined to a small area around your vehicle. Tailgating will only be permitted during pre-game and post-game. There is no re-entry since restroom facilities are now available inside the stadium.
All alcoholic beverages must be consumed from plastic/paper cups. No glass containers, cans, funnels or similar devices will be allowed. Kegs, drinking games and/or mass consumption of alcohol are prohibited. Underage drinking is not permitted; all local and state laws must be obeyed.
The Student Code of Conduct prohibits students from Tailgating at any time, even if they are over 21 years of age. Consumption of Alcohol and/or possession of an open container is not permitted on the grounds of the campus without prior approval of the Vice-President of Student Affairs.
All others are subject to rules and regulations set forth by Marist College. Violations of any of these policies will result in removal from the campus and a ban from the tailgating area.
Marist College reserves the right to restrict tailgating at its sole discretion.
Students can't tailgate? I do recall when our son toured Marist the student tour guides devoted a couple minutes to what could happen if you're caught drinking. On the plus side, when the Marist women made the basketball NCAAs a decade ago, Marist chartered a plane for the one-and-done and ten bucks, or something nominal, got a flight to the game, ground transportation, a ticket, and a Red Foxes tee. Probably so when the cameras panned the student section, there were Marist students to show.
But Marist's endowment must be worth billion$. Not a fair comparison.
Quote from: SwampyBut Marist's endowment must be worth billion$. Not a fair comparison.
Marist's 440 acres on the Hudson must count for some value. (Cornell has 745 acres in Ithaca.) Note also Marist has a Cornell Boathouse (and a Marist Boathouse).
https://www.marist.edu/-/news-a-new-era-for-the-historic-cornell-boathouse
Quote from: Al DeFloriohttps://www.marist.edu/-/news-a-new-era-for-the-historic-cornell-boathouse
Great article. Thank you!
QuoteCornell, the University of California, the University of Washington, and the University of Wisconsin each came to have boathouses on Regatta Row.
Wow!
Vintage footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1HmiS5Hz3Q).
Cornell 49 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmEDW_D5sAA).
NYT: Regatta Evokes Poughkeepsie's Rowing Heyday (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/sports/04crew.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share)
If you want to get a feel for the atmosphere around the IRA in the 30s, read "the Boys in the Boat", by Daniel James Brown. It's great story, even though Cornell only gets a few mentions.
Quote from: Chris H82If you want to get a feel for the atmosphere around the IRA in the 30s, read "the Boys in the Boat", by Daniel James Brown. It's great story, even though Cornell only gets a few mentions.
Most of you probably know the history, but Wikipedia's article on Charles Courtney gives a thorough history of Cornell rowing up to 1920. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Courtney The concluding section on his legacy points out how his influence is still felt today across college athletics.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Chris H82If you want to get a feel for the atmosphere around the IRA in the 30s, read "the Boys in the Boat", by Daniel James Brown. It's great story, even though Cornell only gets a few mentions.
Most of you probably know the history, but Wikipedia's article on Charles Courtney gives a thorough history of Cornell rowing up to 1920. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Courtney The concluding section on his legacy points out how his influence is still felt today across college athletics.
From the article:
QuoteFans were sometimes known to wager on the results.
This is quite possibly the funniest line I've read in any story this year.
I would imagine those flat beds full of students were essentially about three things, none of which were rowing.
Quote from: TrotskyQuoteFans were sometimes known to wager on the results.
This is quite possibly the funniest line I've read in any story this year. I would imagine those flat beds full of students were essentially about three things, none of which were rowing.
When The Times can't get a fact sourced from two persons, it turns to droll humor.
Early regatta on Cayuga Lake and train loading in downtown Ithaca.
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Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckthere are not a ton of die hard football fans left
I have been wondering about this since, literally, the 80s. I can absolutely understand a large and fervent football fanbase going all the way through the 1940s when we were still beating nationally ranked B10 teams. So let's be generous and say people up to 1939 births have some business being Cornell football fans.
And obviously there are the players themselves and their families who continue to dredge the tradition along. And since they disproportionately go into finance and other rapey-lucrative professions they are bound to have undue influence on the university through their glory days drooling donations.
But. We are now to the point where the youngest not-literally-blood-related fan is 80. Those people must have been dying off like literate Republicans for the last few decades. How the fuck are there any left to (a) care and (b) give $$, which is the sole reason the university would care?
I've been expecting the university's gaping and imbecilic maw to pivot from football to hockey since the 1990s and it still hasn't happened. Why? Will the Ivies need to do the obvious and drop football to D3 before we (they) see it?
So...you don't feel this (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,217640,219106#msg-219106) any more?::bolt::
Looks like Slope Day, with Fish not Phish.
Marist football is no powerhouse - Cornell is a 14-point favorite. The following Saturday vs Yale will be a truer test.
Quote from: CASMarist football is no powerhouse - Cornell is a 14-point favorite. The following Saturday vs Yale will be a truer test.
I'm counting Marist as one a win in Cornell's 3 or 4 win season, they should win this easily.
Quote from: George64Early regatta on Cayuga Lake and train loading in downtown Ithaca.
. Very cool. Thanks for sharing.
We may be picked for seventh. But savor our standing before the Marist 2019 opener when you search on "cornell football." Technically it's T-1.
Quote from: billhowardWe may be picked for seventh. But savor our standing before the Marist 2019 opener when you search on "cornell football." Technically it's T-1.
"Match score" only shown at "full time"?
The Ivies never did shake Transatlantic English (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEqesVTEFPM).
Barely five minutes in, Penn leads sprint football by two touchdowns. Cornell just don't do football.
26-0 late first
Quote from: David HardingFrom a Sun season preview. (https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/14/five-things-football-coach-archer-05-said-before-the-2019-season/)
Quote from: Archer"[We're] really [reinventing] the way we're doing things: We're running a different scheme on offense, we're on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods ... attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you're also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up."
"I felt like my approach was 'Hey, I'm going to recruit the best players, I'm gonna develop them, I'm gonna run really sound schemes, and we're gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don't think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we're doing."
"I don't think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn't give our team enough of a chance. I didn't have a good curveball ... off my fastball."
Here's a paragraph from a NY Times article about Ivy League week one. Isn't Surace saying the complete opposite of Archer's comments above?
"Bob Surace, who is in his 10th season as Princeton's coach, said that in his early years he would use the extra time during the summer to devise intricate schemes, but instead ended up overwhelming his players, as intelligent as they might be. Now, the focus is on getting his players bigger, stronger and faster."
I guess we'll see.
If we're not competing physically we need to compensate with play design.
BOOOOOOOOO Columbia kills their scramble band (https://deadspin.com/columbia-university-wipes-out-its-delightfully-chaotic-1838467749).
First possession at Yale yields a false start, an illegal formation...and no first downs.
D does well inside the five, but finds themselves there too often. 3-0 Yale
88-yard schematic pass puts Cornell ahead 10-3. Can this last?
Not for long. Bonehead play call and awful pass result in an INT and tie game. Sigh.
Cornell just burned a timeout after the clock was stopped after another timeout. Are you kidding me?
Quote from: scoop85Cornell just burned a timeout after the clock was stopped after another timeout. Are you kidding me?
You can't make this stuff up. Now 20-10 Yale after a FG. :`-(
Surely one of the four underclass quarterbacks is able to pass the football.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSurely one of the four underclass quarterbacks is able to pass the football.
One would hope.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSurely one of the four underclass quarterbacks is able to pass the football.
Remember our head coach in his infinite wisdom decided to make his OC also the QB coach, despite the fact he never played the position before in college, or coached the position before.
Insides kicking team needs work.
OK staying positive, Cornell goes 9-1 after their 27-10 loss to Yale. :-D
Quote from: Ken711OK staying positive, Cornell goes 9-1 after their 27-10 loss to Yale. :-D
I want some of what you're smoking.
Quote from: NEW HAVEN, Conn. -- Heading into the final quarter tied at 10-10, Cornell felt like it had the momentum to topple preseason Ivy League favorite Yale on the road for the first time in a decade. The final 15 minutes, however, belonged to the opportunistic Bulldogs in a 27-16 victory over the Big Red on Saturday afternoon at the Yale Bowl.
Quote from: "We got to finish," said Archer. "Kind of like the last two years seasonally ... We just got to be able to finish and put four quarters together."
Looks like the same script as seasons past. ;-)
This has nothing to do with the football game itself, but I thought I'd post it here. I didn't go to the game, but was in the area and was planning on meeting with a friend who is a band alum after the game to hear the band's post-game concert. The band held its post-game concert right outside the stadium, but inside the perimeter of the stadium. As I started to walk through the gate, I was stopped by a security guy who told me I couldn't enter the stadium unless I had an unused game ticket. It turns out there's no re-entry if you leave during the game (a policy put in place to keep drunk tailgaters from coming back into the stands). I pointed out that the game was over, and that I just wanted to go inside for the band concert, which was taking place 30 yards away. But he held his ground and even called his supervisor over to make sure I got the message. A pair of band parents weren't allowed inside the gate either, and neither was the grandmother of a Cornell football player. Is it just me, or is it idiotic not to let people into the stadium perimeter AFTER the game for a post-game concert. I was able to see most of the band and hear the concert, of course, but it was annoying to have to do so through the bars of the fence instead of joining the other alumns standing next to the band, including my friend. Since Yale was letting kids run around on the field for 30 minutes after the game, it's not like they were trying to clear everybody out as quickly as possible.
Here is the start of the second paragraph on the Athletics department's website. Someone needs to learn that you return interceptions for touchdowns.
"Yale took advantage of four Big Red turnovers, including a touchdown return for an interception,..."
In year 7 of the Archer era, Cornell is now 11-32 in Ivy play, & losers of their last 5 Ivy games.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioInsides kicking team needs work.
All in all, it would have been a moral victory had the scored ended 20-16 Yale. Giving up a TD on that onsides kick. Ouch.
Need more than moral victories at this stage. Anyone see evidence of "hybrid warfare"?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioInsides kicking team needs work.
All in all, it would have been a moral victory had the scored ended 20-16 Yale. Giving up a TD on that onsides kick. Ouch.
Running that back for the score was bad football.
Quote from: CASNeed more than moral victories at this stage. Anyone see evidence of "hybrid warfare"?
Somebody cut off a Prius exiting Lot D after the game. That's about it.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioInsides kicking team needs work.
All in all, it would have been a moral victory had the scored ended 20-16 Yale. Giving up a TD on that onsides kick. Ouch.
That last one felt like an ENG.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CASNeed more than moral victories at this stage. Anyone see evidence of "hybrid warfare"?
Somebody cut off a Prius exiting Lot D after the game. That's about it.
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Quote from: rmandelHere is the start of the second paragraph on the Athletics department's website. Someone needs to learn that you return interceptions for touchdowns.
"Yale took advantage of four Big Red turnovers, including a touchdown return for an interception,..."
Do you wonder why we suck so much at football? If this were the Daily Sun or WHCU, one could write it off as someone learning their trade and unfamiliar with sport they're discussing. But this is the freakin Athletics department, whose staff one would assume is supposed to know about ... well, athletics. If our "experts" are so clueless about football, how on earth would anyone imagine that our abysmal record in football over the past two decades is an accident?
Demand Big Structural Change!
Moral victory: Prius didn't catch fire.
Quote from: SwampyDo you wonder why we suck so much at football?
No.
It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.
Barring some sort of metaphysical adjustment of Cornell Being, our football will
always suck. The arbitrary "base the prestige of your multi-billion dollar research university on the athletic achievements of kids who could not possibly get in otherwise" landed on hockey for us.
Cornell football sucks because Cornell was
lucky. We could have been Penn (https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-lions-fan-penn-dean-admissions-eric-furda-nfl-fox-video-twitter/).
Cornell football has not always sucked. We had a winning program from the mid-'80's thru 2000. Our football fortunes have cratered under the current AD. I don't see why we can have nationally competitive teams in hockey & lacrosse & can't compete in Ivy football.
We kept it close against the preseason top pick in the league. nobody here expected to win that game. Coles had some great runs, the defense made some very good stops, we didn't recover the onside kick.
It's not even that I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy but I'm not sure what more you wanted out of that game than wishing for a time machine to turn over the coaching staff two years ago.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDo you wonder why we suck so much at football?
No.
It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.
Barring some sort of metaphysical adjustment of Cornell Being, our football will always suck. The arbitrary "base the prestige of your multi-billion dollar research university on the athletic achievements of kids who could not possibly get in otherwise" landed on hockey for us.
Cornell football sucks because Cornell was lucky. We could have been Penn (https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-lions-fan-penn-dean-admissions-eric-furda-nfl-fox-video-twitter/).
At least Eric Furda cared. Plus, you need to let off some steam when you spend probably half your work week dealing with alumni who want to get their kid without offering you, or the school, a half-million dollars.
Quote from: ugarteWe kept it close against the preseason top pick in the league. nobody here expected to win that game. Coles had some great runs, the defense made some very good stops, we didn't recover the onside kick.
It's not even that I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy but I'm not sure what more you wanted out of that game than wishing for a time machine to turn over the coaching staff two years ago.
I'd say Dartmouth and Princeton look especially strong so far, and I would guess they both could beat Yale.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDo you wonder why we suck so much at football?
No.
It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.
Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?
Ugarte, if Rob Koll was entering year 7 with a 25% winning %, uncompetitive facilities & funding, alienated donors, & no apparent plan to turn things around, would you feel sanguine after losing a relatively close match
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDo you wonder why we suck so much at football?
No.
It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.
Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?
Did you notice they haven't won the ECAC title in 57 years?
Brown picked 7th this year is a
perfect analogy to Cornell football. Some years Cornell football will be picked 5th. Some years Cornell football may even be in it until the final weekend.
Someday Cornell football may win an outright Ivy title!
But we'll still suck; at the baseline, in the bloodstream. Cornell football has swung from awful to mediocre to awful for my entire tenure as a Cornellian (since 1981). That is what we are. We don't make the Faustian deals necessary to compete in a D1 sport for football the way we do for hockey, wrestling, and lacrosse.
A. D. White (I think. You know, the California trip quote and the inflated bladder and all that) had his way in the end.
Good.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDo you wonder why we suck so much at football?
No.
It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.
Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?
Did you notice they haven't won the ECAC title in 57 years?
Brown picked 7th this year is a perfect analogy to Cornell football. Some years Cornell football will be picked 5th. Some years Cornell football may even be in it until the final weekend. Someday Cornell football may win an outright Ivy title!
But we'll still suck; at the baseline, in the bloodstream. Cornell football has swung from awful to mediocre to awful for my entire tenure as a Cornellian (since 1981). That is what we are. We don't make the Faustian deals necessary to compete in a D1 sport for football the way we do for hockey, wrestling, and lacrosse.
A. D. White (I think. You know, the California trip quote and the inflated bladder and all that) had his way in the end.
Good.
How was Cornell awful to mediocre since 1981? They won the Ivy Championship in 1988 and 1990! They finished second in 1995 and 2000.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyDo you wonder why we suck so much at football?
No.
It's why Brown sucks at hockey. The school does not care, so it does not make the substantive and illicit investments needed to win.
Did you notice that they're picked to be seventh?
Did you notice they haven't won the ECAC title in 57 years?
Brown picked 7th this year is a perfect analogy to Cornell football. Some years Cornell football will be picked 5th. Some years Cornell football may even be in it until the final weekend. Someday Cornell football may win an outright Ivy title!
But we'll still suck; at the baseline, in the bloodstream. Cornell football has swung from awful to mediocre to awful for my entire tenure as a Cornellian (since 1981). That is what we are. We don't make the Faustian deals necessary to compete in a D1 sport for football the way we do for hockey, wrestling, and lacrosse.
A. D. White (I think. You know, the California trip quote and the inflated bladder and all that) had his way in the end.
Good.
How was Cornell awful to mediocre since 1981? They won the Ivy Championship in 1988 and 1990! They finished second in 1995 and 2000.
40 years, 4 times in contention. That is well within the variance of a mediocre team.
Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st?
I will take this admonition, though. If likewise we have never been 7th or 8th then I'll allow that we have been perpetually mediocre and never truly awful. Perhaps Columbia and... I dunno... Brown(?) can save us.
"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "
Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.
Quote from: Ken711"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "
Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.
Deep breath.
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No.
Have we ever been third in 10-year running sum during any interval since 1981?
Though I'll open this up to any interval in Ivy League history. Maybe there's a way to cherry pick one 10-year period including the
MARINARO years in which we were 3rd.
Maybe.tl; dr: sucky today, sucky tomorrow, sucky forever. Which is fine as the sport will be bear baiting by 2050 anyway.
Quote from: Ken711"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "
Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.
That means almost all of the students on campus (including grad students) weren't even born when we last finished first.
That's not just mediocrity. That's pure garbage.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "
Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.
Deep breath.
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No.
Have we ever been third in 10-year running sum during any interval since 1981?
Though I'll open this up to any interval in Ivy League history. Maybe there's a way to cherry pick one 10-year period including the Marino years in which we were 3rd. Maybe.
tl; dr: sucky today, sucky tomorrow, sucky forever. Which is fine as the sport will be bear baiting by 2050 anyway.
Exactly when were the Marino years?
You don't mean Marinaro (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0547544/bio), do you? Things would really suck if a sports program's alumni critics don't even know the names of the school's's few luminaries in the sport.
When we get to the part where people starting launching on typos it's time to edge out the door. Thanks for your contribution.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711"Take the 10-year running sum of Ivy wins starting 1981-90. Have we ever been even 3rd, let alone 2nd or 1st? "
Yes we have. we finished 2nd in 1986, and finished 1st in 1988 and 1990.
Deep breath.
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No.
Have we ever been third in 10-year running sum during any interval since 1981?
Though I'll open this up to any interval in Ivy League history. Maybe there's a way to cherry pick one 10-year period including the MARINARO years in which we were 3rd. Maybe.
tl; dr: sucky today, sucky tomorrow, sucky forever. Which is fine as the sport will be bear baiting by 2050 anyway.
I'm in agreement they have had terrible teams most years since 2001, HOWEVER, they have achieved past success, and there's no reason why that can't be repeated with the proper selection of a head coach, and the backing by the administration.
The Bill Marino '76 years were fantastic. Cornell went 43-4. He scored an overtime goal vs Maryland in the national championships (when OT was timed not first-to-score). First-team All-America at midfield. Also lettered in football fall 1975. It's an understandable mistake.
Quote from: billhowardThe Bill Marino '76 years were fantastic. Cornell went 43-4. He scored an overtime goal vs Maryland in the national championships (when OT was timed not first-to-score). First-team All-America at midfield. Also lettered in football fall 1975. It's an understandable mistake.
Those "fantastic" Marino years extended through 1978 with brother Tom. Add one NCAA championship and one runner-up finish.
Quote from: CASUgarte, if Rob Koll was entering year 7 with a 25% winning %, uncompetitive facilities & funding, alienated donors, & no apparent plan to turn things around, would you feel sanguine after losing a relatively close match
yeah. i mean i'd probably be disappointed but i'd take a close loss to a better team pretty well and not act like it was some great shame.
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Georgetown 3-1 at Cornell 1-1, 3 pm kickoff. Homecoming tailgates before. 500th (varsity) football game at Schoellkopf. Game preview according to Cornell sports information: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/10/2/football-georgetown-preview.aspx
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Game odds: Cornell -10 (Cornell favored, ie Cornell minus 10 points (depending oddsmaker) makes it an even game)
Rain odds: 0% rain ~60 degrees game
Over/under, weekend alcohol transports to Cayuga Medical Center: 30
Best tailgate: CBAA, in a walk, puts fraternity, class and CFA tents to shame.
Odds we go 4-1 at home: Uh, 20%? (Cornell needs 4 wins in 5 2019 home games to make it 300 W's at Schoellkopf all-time.)
Odds a bar in Collegetown we want is no longer there: 100%
I'm looking forward to the weekend. LGR!
Interception on first Cornell possession. Four plays and a two-point conversion later and down by eight.
Cornell trails 8-0 at the half. The defense has played well overall, and we've had some success moving the ball. But we routinely shoot ourselves in the foot. We had 2nd and 4 on Georgetown's 24 in the last two minutes, and ran a swing pass that we run all the time, so naturally Georgetown knew it was coming and our back Wes tackled for a 4 yard loss. After an incompletion on 3rd down we missed a 44-yard FG. Since our kicker was just 1 out of 3 coming into the game, I would've preferred going for it on 4th down.
118 total yards in a half isn't much success. Georgetown's D line is pushing our line around and Archer's brilliant "schematics" are fooling no one.
8-8 starting the 4th, Cornell has the momentum now.
Didn't see any hybrid warfare in that last Cornell series
Catanese is spraying the ball with open receivers but he really isn't getting much time either. Cornell falling apart in the 4th. Two long punt returns, a long TD pass and G'town has a 6 point lead and the ball in Cornell territory with under 5 to go.
Quote from: Ken7118-8 starting the 4th, Cornell has the momentum now.
Not any more. Fumbles, bad snaps, holding, late hit. Offense dull, predictable. Play calling dreadful. Need to clean house of coaching staff.
i don't know what the first three quarters looked like but the 4th quarter was butt
No bueno today. :-/ 14-8 loss.
Now 16-47 in the Archer era. Need to schedule Marist if want a homecoming win.
Quote from: ugartei don't know what the first three quarters looked like but the 4th quarter was butt
Defense played OK, offense wasn't very good.
Could we be staring down 1-9? Today was very much suboptimal.
Have a chance vs Brown
Quote from: CASHave a chance vs Brown
Should beat Brown and perhaps Colgate as they are really awful.
I'll take the under.
And of course upset Harvard.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/d8/1a/23d81a3c3b066e3510ffca4a5093bee7.jpg)
Quote from: CASI'll take the under.
Colgate is 0-6 after a loss today against Lehigh (Update: now 0-7). Another fun fact David Archer as both an assistant and as a head coach at Cornell has never coached a team that finished greater than .500 winning percentage.
I'll still take the under.
Georgetown 14, Cornell 8: It should have been better, it could have been worse. Saturday:
* Cornell was the only Ivy not to get double-digit points
* Fordham and Howard were easily disposed of by Yale (48-24) and Harvard (62-17).
* 0-4 Rhode Island managed to beat Brown 31-28 although Brown QB EJ Perry put up 420 yards and 3 TDs. That's a lot of offense no matter who your opponent is. Are we sure Brown can be handled Oct. 26? At least we have the home field. We can get a comparison Saturday vs. Harvard. Crimson already handled Brown by 35.
Well, the weather (and attendance, 8745 announced) was fabulous Saturday. On weather, we're 3-0. Even if Fireworks Friday and Hangover Sunday were chilly then drizzly. Homecoming of the last decade has been pretty good ever since Cornell decided to put seed / investment (in alumni relations) money into an early-fall event that draws a LOT of alumni and unlike reunions is the best way to see friends from adjacent classes.
Thx for the report Bill. Wish the university would also put money into the football program.
Watched the Pats-Redskins game yesterday. Redskins' offense is as unimaginative as ours, with similarly slow-to-develop plays and braindead playcalling. Skins are now 0-5. Fired their coach after the game. Maybe a lesson?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWatched the Pats-Redskins game yesterday. Redskins' offense is as unimaginative as ours, with similarly slow-to-develop plays and braindead playcalling. Skins are now 0-5. Fired their coach after the game. Maybe a lesson?
If Jay Gruden is anything like brother Jon in sports-related things, I'd pay for him to keep coaching just so he's not on TV. PS: Deadspin reports the Redskins had Gruden come to the stadium today for a 5 a.m. meeting. That is cold.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioWatched the Pats-Redskins game yesterday. Redskins' offense is as unimaginative as ours, with similarly slow-to-develop plays and braindead playcalling. Skins are now 0-5. Fired their coach after the game. Maybe a lesson?
If Jay Gruden is anything like brother Jon in sports-related things, I'd pay for him to keep coaching just so he's not on TV. PS: Deadspin reports the Redskins had Gruden come to the stadium today for a 5 a.m. meeting. That is cold.
He was already deadman walking after the supposed video of him smoking weed surfaced.
https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/10/jay-gruden-weed-young-women
i don't think it's all the playcalling. i think the offense is simply not good. catanese was being chased around and when he had time to throw the ball nobody had any idea where it was going. coles never had a chance with the lack of respect the defense was giving the qb.
Quote from: ugartei don't think it's all the playcalling. i think the offense is simply not good. catanese was being chased around and when he had time to throw the ball nobody had any idea where it was going. coles never had a chance with the lack of respect the defense was giving the qb.
Our O-line is mediocre relative to our level.
Quote from: ugartei don't think it's all the playcalling. i think the offense is simply not good. catanese was being chased around and when he had time to throw the ball nobody had any idea where it was going. coles never had a chance with the lack of respect the defense was giving the qb.
Running the "full-house" backfield as often as Cornell did telegraphed "run" against a top-notch defense and too often Georgetown just packed it in and stuffed the ballcarrier.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: ugartei don't think it's all the playcalling. i think the offense is simply not good. catanese was being chased around and when he had time to throw the ball nobody had any idea where it was going. coles never had a chance with the lack of respect the defense was giving the qb.
Running the "full-house" backfield as often as Cornell did telegraphed "run" against a top-notch defense and too often Georgetown just packed it in and stuffed the ballcarrier.
Teams are going to stack the box and make Cornell beat them with the passing game, With a suspect Ol, that's going to be quite a challenge.
Must be saving the hybrid warfare for late season Ivy games.
Quote from: CASMust be saving the hybrid warfare for late season Ivy games.
Another of the touted "schematics" was to get the ball to Harold Coles in the open field. The only attempts I've seen to date are screen passes where there are more defenders than blockers set up in the screen.
Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
Almost four games in, Archer may have finally found someone (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/10/11/venuto-joins-big-red-football-staff.aspx).
Quote from: George64Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
Almost four games in, Archer may have finally found someone (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/10/11/venuto-joins-big-red-football-staff.aspx).
Kinda suggests that getting someone to come to Ithaca was a bit of a challenge.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Ken711Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::
Almost four games in, Archer may have finally found someone (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/10/11/venuto-joins-big-red-football-staff.aspx).
No he's not going to have an on-field position. He just replaces the position formerly held by Alex Peffley who was the Assistant to the Head Coach, but then was bumped up to the Director of Football Operations (DPO) position when the previous DPO Ryan McNamee left for the same position at UNLV as their DPO.
Cornell scores first over a Harvard turnover. 7-0 Cornell.
Our touchdown came after a fumble recovery deep in Harvard territory. Otherwise our offense has been inept. Defense has been good, although Harvard now at our 27.
Harvard offense waking up, 7-7 now.
Cornell scores a FG off of another turnover 10-7 Cornell.
Harvard finally takes the lead 14-10 on a quick drive.
Cornell interception leads to Harvard TD, 21-10 Harvard. Offense can't get anything going. Cornell had 65 total yards to Harvard's 185 yards so far.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell interception leads to Harvard TD, 21-10 Harvard. Offense can't get anything going. Cornell had 65 total yards to Harvard's 185 yards so far.
If Kenney's the best we have with 4 other QB's on the roster, that's an indictment of the recruiting.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Cornell interception leads to Harvard TD, 21-10 Harvard. Offense can't get anything going. Cornell had 65 total yards to Harvard's 185 yards so far.
If Kenney's the best we have with 4 other QB's on the roster, that's an indictment of the recruiting.
Give an underclassman a shot. Can't be any worse.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Cornell interception leads to Harvard TD, 21-10 Harvard. Offense can't get anything going. Cornell had 65 total yards to Harvard's 185 yards so far.
If Kenney's the best we have with 4 other QB's on the roster, that's an indictment of the recruiting.
Recruiting and coaching. Cornell hasn't had a QB coach with college playing experience in any of the 7 years under Archer! Whatever QBs are recruited never have a chance to develop.
Well, at least soccer is up 2-0 on Harvard after 20 minutes, and it could easily be 4-0. Harvard is to soccer as Cornell is to football.
Quote from: scoop85Well, at least soccer is up 2-0 on Harvard after 20 minutes, and it could easily be 4-0. Harvard is to soccer as Cornell is to football.
Now it is 4-0 with 25 minutes left. Harvard has perhaps the softest defense I've ever seen at the D-1 level.
Colgate who is Cornell's next opponent lost today to formerly winless Bucknell, and is now 0-7. At least Cornell will notch their second win of the season next Saturday. :-D
Quote from: Ken711Colgate who is Cornell's next opponent lost today to formerly winless Bucknell, and is now 0-7. At least Cornell will notch their second win of the season next Saturday. :-D
Don't tempt fate. Archer has a way of screwing things up.
In the Archer era, Cornell is now 11-33 in Ivy play, & losers of their last 6 Ivy games.
Quote from: CASIn the Archer era, Cornell is now 11-33 in Ivy play, & losers of their last 6 Ivy games.
You mean a .250 winning percentage isn't good? ::cry::
Catanese out for the season. Time to give an underclassman a shot.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Colgate who is Cornell's next opponent lost today to formerly winless Bucknell, and is now 0-7. At least Cornell will notch their second win of the season next Saturday. :-D
Don't tempt fate. Archer has a way of screwing things up.
14-3.... Colgate in the second.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Colgate who is Cornell's next opponent lost today to formerly winless Bucknell, and is now 0-7. At least Cornell will notch their second win of the season next Saturday. :-D
Don't tempt fate. Archer has a way of screwing things up.
14-3.... Colgate in the second.
14-10 Colgate at the half, although it was almost 20-3 Colgate if not for the fumble recovery and TD.
Lost 21-20 yuck
Yet to play Princeton and Dartmouth (both 5-0), virtually assured of another losing season. First exhibition hockey game tomorrow!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Colgate who is Cornell's next opponent lost today to formerly winless Bucknell, and is now 0-7. At least Cornell will notch their second win of the season next Saturday. :-D
Don't tempt fate. Archer has a way of screwing things up.
How right you were and wrong I was, Can't beat an 0-7 team, at home? Is it time to start the fire Archer again chorus now?
Quote from: Ken711How right you were and wrong I was, Can't beat an 0-7 team, at home? Is it time to start the fire Archer again chorus now?
Stebbins is a very promising freshman, but unfortunately Coles, Taylor and Jones are Seniors.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Quote from: CASOne way or another, this darkness got to give.
Is Andy retiring?
Quote from: George64Yet to play Princeton and Dartmouth (both 5-0), virtually assured of another losing season. First exhibition hockey game tomorrow!
And Columbia just pounded Penn....
Despite the game Cornell falls short again. Cornell for years has what I would call "spotty" talent. Certainly some excellent players but not enough good talent across the board and it limits Cornell's efforts
to win. Today in a number of cases we saw poor execution especially on the part of the offense. Good players make good plays and Cornell does not have enough.
Cornell in the Archer era is now 16-49 & losers of 8 of their last 9, with the one win being against Marist. The nationally televised game vs Princeton (ESPNU) before friends & family at Schoellkopf on Fri nite, Nov 1 could be ugly...
What was the weather like on Saturday? More than a little surprised that Null didn't try from 52.
Quote from: ugarteWhat was the weather like on Saturday? More than a little surprised that Null didn't try from 52.
Null has been battling an injury that's why Garret Patela did the field goal kicking, and Null was limited to punts.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteWhat was the weather like on Saturday? More than a little surprised that Null didn't try from 52.
Null has been battling an injury that's why Garret Patela did the field goal kicking, and Null was limited to punts.
yeah i know - but he hit from 48 against harvard. i guess he knows best if it's in his range.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteWhat was the weather like on Saturday? More than a little surprised that Null didn't try from 52.
Null has been battling an injury that's why Garret Patela did the field goal kicking, and Null was limited to punts.
yeah i know - but he hit from 48 against harvard. i guess he knows best if it's in his range.
He's not even handling kick offs which again goes to any placekicking motions that he's obviously not able to perform.
Halfway through the season, we're 1-4 and no other game is a likely win. Brown and Penn are possibilities for W's, Columbia less so after clobbering Penn 44-6. 2-8 seems a likely finish. It's beyond the point where sniping here about the coach is going to have an impact. The worse we do in 2019, the better odds of change. Jeff Archer is a dead man walking the sideline. Let's hope Cornell can find somebody decent to step in.
We have had football coaches before who looked good on paper but turned out not be be successful: George Seifert comes to mind. (Yes, that was written in Irony font.) Maxie Baughan brought Cornell to the edge of excellence until he was undone by a loose zipper. But even those good years were three decades ago.
Meanwhile, Princeton and Dartmouth are in the top 20 in D1 FCS standings.
I don't think Cornell players are giving any less effort the the players at Dartmouth or Princeton. It's the system.
Quote from: billhowardHalfway through the season, we're 1-4 and no other game is a likely win. Brown and Penn are possibilities for W's, Columbia less so after clobbering Penn 44-6. 2-8 seems a likely finish. It's beyond the point where sniping here about the coach is going to have an impact. The worse we do in 2019, the better odds of change. Jeff Archer is a dead man walking the sideline. Let's hope Cornell can find somebody decent to step in. (So is Dave Archer)
We have had football coaches before who looked good on paper but turned out not be be successful: George Seifert comes to mind. (Yes, that was written in Irony font.) Maxie Baughan brought Cornell to the edge of excellence until he was undone by a loose zipper. But even those good years were three decades ago.
Meanwhile, Princeton and Dartmouth are in the top 20 in D1 FCS standings.
I don't think Cornell players are giving any less effort the the players at Dartmouth or Princeton. It's the system.
It's up to the athletic administration to fully get behind the program as they do for other sports like wrestling and hockey if you expect real change, Where are the facilities upgrades like the indoor practice facility? Cornell football needs a look at the program from the outside as Columbia did when they brought in a football consultant outside of their athletic department. End result, they have better coaching and facilities, including an indoor practice facility. Cornell can improve their football program, the question is will they.
Quote from: billhoward... 2-8 seems a likely finish...
Seriously? i think that's optimistic.
Cornell Sun pre-game story: https://cornellsun.com/2019/10/23/5719186/
Both teams 0-2 Ivy, 1-4 overall. Brown just gave up 65 to Princeton but put up 22 against a top-20
This is Cornell's best chance for a second W in 2019.
lgr. I don't have the confidence to use caps.
The next week, Princeton, will not be pretty.
Next week's game vs Princeton at Schoellkopf will be nationally televised (ESPNU). Definitely won't be pretty. Tigers beat the Red 66-0 last year. Any guess what attendance will be? (kickoff Friday at 6:00).
Family and friends only until halftime then the friends will head off to frat parties
So Princeton and Dartmouth are undefeated and the class of the Ivy League and BOTH have indoor practices have competed or under construction to aid in recruitment and player development, It's not rocket science that unless Cornell natch up with their facility improvement in this aeaa, that Cornell remain in the bottom of the Ivy League recruitment and success;
Harold Coles is out for today's game.
Great, aggressive opening drive and TD by Howard nullified by hands to the face but Null nails a 39-yarder. Cornell 3 Brown 0
Brown scores a touchdown, and it's going to be a long day if we can't get any pressure on Perry. What a difference to have a real QB.
Brown's QB Perry doesn't belong at this level. Easy drive down field ending in a 29 yard TD pass. Cornell stops the run PAT. Brown 6 Cornell 3, late 1st
Quote from: scoop85Brown scores a touchdown, and it's going to be a long day if we can't get any pressure on Perry. What a difference to have a real QB.
To be fair this guy is the coach's nephew and transferred from BC. He's an FBS QB playing in a terrible FCS league, where he is 7th in the country in total offense.
We aren't stopping him; we need to score 40.
OTOH Brown's defense is a hot mess. We just need to punch it in.
Another penalty pushes us back from inside the 5 to settle for a FG. Cornell 6 Brown 6, late 1st
Two drives in the red zone, 2 FGs because of penalties and a poor pass by Kenny on what should've been a TD. 6-6 late in the 1st. Given that Brown will almost certainly put up 30+ points, we can't settle for FGs.
Quote from: scoop85Two drives in the red zone, 2 FGs because of penalties and a poor pass by Kenny on what should've been a TD. 6-6 late in the 1st. Given that Brown will almost certainly put up 30+ points, we can't settle for FGs.
I mean I guess if we get 14 of them...
The Cornell secondary is doing a decent job, but they're defenseless with no pass rush. It's an embarrassment.
Quote from: scoop85The Cornell secondary is doing a decent job, but they're defenseless with no pass rush. It's an embarrassment.
Looks like it will have to be a game of great individual plays. The Taylor INT helped. Maybe we can guess right and turn one of Perry's flat passes into a Pick 6.
3rd and 4th down short yardage stops for Cornell D to begin Q2! Nice.
One more big penalty. Discipline?
3 passes from Kenney-Fitzgerald chew up the field and give us the lead. Cornell 13 Brown 6
Quote from: Al DeFlorioOne more big penalty. Discipline?
They survived this one but it's certainly an issue. Penalty yardage currently 55-5 and that's not including the 30 yards and TD Howard lost on the first drive.
After the D gets a 4th down stop, a nice Cornell drive ends in a TD pass to the TE for a 13-6 lead. Credit to Kenny for some nice passes on the drive—I've been tough on him but he looked good there.
Quote from: scoop85After the D gets a 4th down stop, a nice Cornell drive ends in a TD pass to the TE for a 13-6 lead. Credit to Kenny for some nice passes on the drive—I've been tough on him but he looked good there.
He got some protection that drive.
Great blocked punt and return for a TD, Cornell 20 Brown 6, mid 2nd quarter
Halfway to 40.
Another big penalty helps a last-second Brown TD.
Perry leads Brown 90+ yards in the 2-minute drill to score but muffs the kick. Cornell 20 Brown 12, halftime
Quote from: Al DeFlorioAnother big penalty helps a last-second Brown TD.[/quote
Worse for me was a missed sack. Our guy had a clean shot at Perry around the Cornell 30-yard line, but he was able to elude the defender and completed about a 10-yard pass.
Perry leads Brown right down the field to start the second half; we stop the third PAT. Cornell 20 Brown 18
Great drive right back for the Red culminating in an SK Howard 5 yard TD run. Cornell 27 Brown 18, mid 3rd
Cornell answers on a 7-yard run by Howard to put Cornell ahead 27-18.
I love that the referee sounds exactly like Eddie Murphy's "cill my landlord" character (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEnmjDD_fTE).
We have a running back, folks. SK Howard 40 yard TD run; Cornell 34 Brown 25, end of 3rd quarter
Howard is 17 rushes for 113 yards and 2 TDs.
Quote from: TrotskyWe have a running back, folks. SK Howard 40 yard TD run; Cornell 34 Brown 25, end of 3rd quarter
Howard is 17 rushes for 113 yards and 2 TDs.
He's been solid for sure. Brown's defense is pretty atrocious too.
I may be an old guy, but I've finally reached the conclusion that football coaches are imbeciles (Belichick excepted I guess).
Quote from: scoop85I may be an old guy, but I've finally reached the conclusion that football coaches are imbeciles (Belichick excepted I guess).
He's not an imbecile. Just an asshole.
Brown back with a solid drive ending in Perry's 3rd TD pass. Cornell 34 Brown 32, 6:58 to play
We need a nice, time-consuming drive.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85I may be an old guy, but I've finally reached the conclusion that football coaches are imbeciles (Belichick excepted I guess).
He's not an imbecile. Just an asshole.
Yeah, I get that. But as far as coaching goes, he's so far ahead of the curve it's embarrassing for the rest of them.
And so we go three and out for the first time all game.
Quote from: TrotskyAnd so we go three and out for the first time all game.
Predictable. Brown seemed to change things up on defense and of course we're powerless to respond in kind.
Perry really likes to throw as he's going down. Be nice to make him pay for that.
We hold Brown 3 and out, force the punt, drop the return and give Brown the ball on our 15.
Well. That was suboptimal.
Brown gets a 35 yard FG. Brown 35 Cornell 34, 4:17 to go
Just a pathetic team and program. Bad players and worse coaches
This was a solid effort. Excellent second quarter undone by a horrific fourth quarter.
36 seconds to get into FG range from about the Cornell 28
NULL HITS THE UPRIGHT AND THROUGH FROM 41 YARDS WITH 9 SECONDS TO GO!
Cornell 37 Brown 35
Final.
Nice start by Cornell. Not so good Q4 collapse by Cornell. Poor play call by Brown in final minute when up by 1,in FB range, and QB backpedals 10 yards rather than take a knee, end gives Cornell enough field position to move up the field quickly and set up a winning, wounded duck, off-the-left-upright FG for the win. If only there was a league where we played Marist, Colgate and Brown 3 times, then closed with Penn.
great finish. solid drive, clean passing, incredible kick for the win. Kenney looked pretty good, actually. Way better than Catanese.
wild that the guys in the booth didn't understand what Perry was doing on 4th down before the final Cornell drive. he was supposed to roll out, burn 6-8 seconds, then throw it away since the clock stops on the change of possession anyway. there's really only one way the play can go wrong - if the qb lets himself get sacked. and, well...
Quote from: TrotskyWe hold Brown 3 and out, force the punt, drop the return and give Brown the ball on our 15. Well. That was suboptimal.
Was not the word I was thinking of. Weren't you considering "regression to the mean"?
not sure in what football world with 50+ secs to go you run a play hoping to burn a few extra secs and throw it away..
Quote from: upprdecknot sure in what football world with 50+ secs to go you run a play hoping to burn a few extra secs and throw it away..
Lol +1
Quote from: upprdecknot sure in what football world with 50+ secs to go you run a play hoping to burn a few extra secs and throw it away..
i think if something opens up, it opens up, but it's less risky than trying a field goal. watch the play. the plan went to hell when one guy got in on a jailbreak and the QB was pissed that he didn't get credit for throwing the ball away in time.
i think why screw around with a sack chance.. run the play to the end zone and take your chances.. also the chance we catch it and get tackled at the 5.
Quote from: upprdecki think why screw around with a sack chance.. run the play to the end zone and take your chances.. also the chance we catch it and get tackled at the 5.
It was just a dumb call. Go for the field goal at worst run, or it up the middle of the line.
Did the football team ever use Bacon Cage (demolished to make room for a parking garage), or was that just for batting practice?
there used to be a lot of things going in in there it had a dirt floor so not sure how much fball did more than maybe just throw in it?
Here's a rare piece of good news (https://cornellsun.com/2019/10/30/jelani-taylor-named-finalist-for-national-football-student-athlete-award/) regarding the football team.
Quote from: upprdeckthere used to be a lot of things going in in there it had a dirt floor so not sure how much fball did more than maybe just throw in it?
Took golf lessons in Bacon Cage from Clayton Chapman, who later became commissioner of the ECAC.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckthere used to be a lot of things going in in there it had a dirt floor so not sure how much fball did more than maybe just throw in it?
Took golf lessons in Bacon Cage from Clayton Chapman, who later became commissioner of the ECAC.
My senior year, the hockey line formed outside Bacon Cage. They let us in at about 5 PM...which was very good because it was pouring that night.
It made for a hell of a party. A lot of people had pizzas delivered.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckthere used to be a lot of things going in in there it had a dirt floor so not sure how much fball did more than maybe just throw in it?
Took golf lessons in Bacon Cage from Clayton Chapman, who later became commissioner of the ECAC.
My senior year, the hockey line formed outside Bacon Cage. They let us in at about 5 PM...which was very good because it was pouring that night.
It made for a hell of a party. A lot of people had pizzas delivered.
Wimp, our lines were outside::bolt:: and no pizza either.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckthere used to be a lot of things going in in there it had a dirt floor so not sure how much fball did more than maybe just throw in it?
Took golf lessons in Bacon Cage from Clayton Chapman, who later became commissioner of the ECAC.
My senior year, the hockey line formed outside Bacon Cage. They let us in at about 5 PM...which was very good because it was pouring that night.
It made for a hell of a party. A lot of people had pizzas delivered.
Wimp, our lines were outside::bolt:: and no pizza either.
All lines prior to that were outside. In fact, it snowed a bit my sophomore year.
Cornell is going after its fiftieth loss under the current leadership, against 17 wins. I believe the pregame notes do not include that possible milestone.
I still feel bad for the players. They're working hard but they're not the team in Friday's game with a #12 ranking in NCAA D1-Lite (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/polls.asp?div=fcs). At least this game is at home. The worst six hours of the season may be the bus ride back from Dartmouth (#15) in two weeks.
Friday can't be as bad as last year's 66-0 pounding at Princeton.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckthere used to be a lot of things going in in there it had a dirt floor so not sure how much fball did more than maybe just throw in it?
Took golf lessons in Bacon Cage from Clayton Chapman, who later became commissioner of the ECAC.
My senior year, the hockey line formed outside Bacon Cage. They let us in at about 5 PM...which was very good because it was pouring that night.
It made for a hell of a party. A lot of people had pizzas delivered.
That was my favorite line of all time. It was a GREAT party!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckthere used to be a lot of things going in in there it had a dirt floor so not sure how much fball did more than maybe just throw in it?
Took golf lessons in Bacon Cage from Clayton Chapman, who later became commissioner of the ECAC.
My senior year, the hockey line formed outside Bacon Cage. They let us in at about 5 PM...which was very good because it was pouring that night.
It made for a hell of a party. A lot of people had pizzas delivered.
That was my favorite line of all time. It was a GREAT party!
You had Uber Eats? Phab!
Quote from: billhowardCornell is going after its fiftieth loss under the current leadership, against 17 wins. I believe the pregame notes do not include that possible milestone.
I still feel bad for the players. They're working hard but they're not the team in Friday's game with a #12 ranking in NCAA D1-Lite (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/polls.asp?div=fcs). At least this game is at home. The worst six hours of the season may be the bus ride back from Dartmouth (#15) in two weeks.
Friday can't be as bad as last year's 66-0 pounding at Princeton.
Vegas has tonight as a 21 point spread for what it's worth. Keep it respectable on national tv.
Quote from: CU2007Vegas has tonight as a 21 point spread for what it's worth. Keep it respectable on national tv.
I'd take us to cover it. Princeton's going to win, but not by three touchdowns. A nailbiter spread-wise, though. Both teams have played a cupcake OOC schedule, and they've played one arguably easier in league opponent than us (Yale vs. Columbia). We're not talking about the league's best offense vs. the league's worst defense; rather a couple of clicks down on both sides—2nd or 3rd bests vs. 3rd or 4th worsts.
I'll predict Princeton wins by 17.
"It is destiny the Big Red will show up!"
"Lose the point that would have beat the spread / Then..."
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: CU2007Vegas has tonight as a 21 point spread for what it's worth. Keep it respectable on national tv.
I'd take us to cover it. Princeton's going to win, but not by three touchdowns. A nailbiter spread-wise, though. Both teams have played a cupcake OOC schedule, and they've played one arguably easier in league opponent than us (Yale vs. Columbia). We're not talking about the league's best offense vs. the league's worst defense; rather a couple of clicks down on both sides—2nd or 3rd bests vs. 3rd or 4th worsts.
I'll predict Princeton wins by 17.
"It is destiny the Big Red will show up!"
"Lose the point that would have beat the spread / Then..."
Princeton 21-7 over Cornell.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Scersk '97I'll predict Princeton wins by 17.
"It is destiny the Big Red will show up!"
"Lose the point that would have beat the spread / Then..."
Princeton 21-7 over Cornell.
I knew they could do it!
It was 21-7 but the difference was in execution of plays. Teams like Princeton always seem to have better talent and they don't beat themselves with dumb decisions on offense. The defense on the other played to Max potential as they kept Cornell in the game-comps to Defensive Coordinator Jared Backus.
Quote from: rss77It was 21-7 but the difference was in execution of plays (Archer never fails to fail). Teams like Princeton always seem to have better talent and they don't beat themselves with dumb decisions on offense. The defense on the other played to Max potential as they kept Cornell in the game-comps to Defensive Coordinator Jared Backus.
Fixed
A couple more breaks and we would have tied Princeton at 21 (let's not think who'd execute better in OT) or only lost 21-14. Moral victory. No team has held Princeton to fewer points this year.
The positives coming out of the game are that Cornell stepped up its level of play compared to the first half of the season and without the starting QB, and we might be able to beat both Penn next weekend and Columbia in the season finale. In between, the game at Dartmouth is going to be ugly. We could finish at 4-6 and that would match Archer's best year ever on the Hill.
Princeton and Dartmouth, both unbeaten, play for Ivy supremacy next Saturday 3:30 at Yankee Stadium. Sort of Red Hot Hockey for schools that specialize in football more than hockey. The winner might get into the top ten of Division 1A / FCS rankings. [Edit update: Dartmouth is unbeaten by virtue of a 43-yard pass for TD against the Harvard secondary on the final play: D9, H6.]
Princeton just got by Harvard 30-24 a week ago and underperformed - Princeton-Cornell was 66-0 last year - at Schoellkopf last night.
Next week's Cornell opponent, Penn, was down 36-35 with 4:05 to play.
First and goal and no sign of Cornell"s best running back on the field. Archer is terminally stupid.
Am I wrong to puzzle over why it took so long to put McClurge on offense?
Typical ending, on a half-assed two-point conversion play designed by a middle-schooler during study hall.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioTypical ending, on a half-assed two-point conversion play designed by a middle-schooler during study hall.
Play calling sucks as usual, Archer never fails to fail with his play calling. FIRE ARCHER!
Archer now is 17-51 over his career. ::wow::
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Al DeFlorioTypical ending, on a half-assed two-point conversion play designed by a middle-schooler during study hall.
Play calling sucks as usual, Archer never fails to fail with his play calling. FIRE ARCHER!
the play call was fine. the pass was terrible. that pass had to hit the receiver in stride going forward. instead, it was behind him and allowed the corner to break it up.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Quote from: Al DeFlorioTypical ending, on a half-assed two-point conversion play designed by a middle-schooler during study hall.
Play calling sucks as usual, Archer never fails to fail with his play calling. FIRE ARCHER!
the play call was fine. the pass was terrible. that pass had to hit the receiver in stride going forward. instead, it was behind him and allowed the corner to break it up.
If you need two points to win with seconds left and it's your last chance, you throw the pass to someone in the end zone, not someone who has to run it in.
Didn't watch the game, haven't in years. But if you're dominating the game, why not kick for the tie and go for the win later? Was there another reason to try and win with a 2 point conversion? It seems to me that the percentage to win that way isn't worth it.
Quote from: Jim HylaBut if you're dominating the game, why not kick for the tie and go for the win later? Was there another reason to try and win with a 2 point conversion?
Archer clearly wanted to hurry back to Ithaca so he could catch the second half or so of the hockey game.
Quote from: Jim HylaDidn't watch the game, haven't in years. But if you're dominating the game, why not kick for the tie and go for the win later? Was there another reason to try and win with a 2 point conversion? It seems to me that the percentage to win that way isn't worth it.
Cornell had the ability to move the ball on Penn, so the decision to go for two rather than force OT made little sense. The fact that they called a swing pass to a receiver who wasn't even their two top receivers in the game, only made Archer's decision even more perplexing.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Jim HylaDidn't watch the game, haven't in years. But if you're dominating the game, why not kick for the tie and go for the win later? Was there another reason to try and win with a 2 point conversion? It seems to me that the percentage to win that way isn't worth it.
Cornell had the ability to move the ball on Penn, so the decision to go for two rather than force OT made little sense. The fact that they called a swing pass to a receiver who wasn't even their two top receivers in the game, only made Archer's decision even more perplexing.
Sounds like his new approach of doing things that are unexpected as the game develops.
Seesaw battle against unbeaten #12 Dartmouth. Cornell leads 18-17 with 5 minutes to play. At least that's what the Dartmouth stats ticker says. I'm in LA, figure there must be a problem with corruption on the telegraph wires. Make that 20-17 Cornell; we scored on the 2-point conversion that failed against Penn last week.
That is final: Cornell 20, Dartmouth 17.
[b][color=#FF0000]Cornell 3 3 6 8 -- 20[/color][/b]
Dartmouth 7 7 0 3 -- 17
Dartmouth 4-1
Yale 4-1
Princeton 4-2
Penn 3-3
Harvard 2-4
Columbia 2-4
Cornell 2-4
Brown 1-5
Princeton could have eased into a tie for the Ivy title since its once loss was to Dartmouth. Then Yale blew out the Tigers 51-14. So Yale and Dartmouth are 4-1, Princeton is 4-2. BTW, today Brown doubled Columbia 48-24.
I can see the top line in the Columbia pre-game story on cornellbigred.com:
Cornell Seeks 4th Place Finish In Finale with Columbia
... which could happen
Cornell > Columbia
Princeton > Penn
Dartmouth-Brown
Harvard - Yale
Finally, revenge after 48 years...
That's a new contract right there.
79 years
Quote from: ugarteThat's a new contract right there.
I thought about posting on Jeff Archer's chances. I mean, maybe he has turned this thing around and will go on to be Cornell's most legendary coach, eventually spending more time leading Cornell that Mike Schafer. First we gotta get by Columbia.
Quote from: billhowardSeesaw battle against unbeaten #12 Dartmouth. Cornell leads 18-17 with 5 minutes to play. At least that's what the Dartmouth stats ticker says. I'm in LA, figure there must be a problem with corruption on the telegraph wires. Make that 20-17 Cornell; we scored on the 2-point conversion that failed against Penn last week.
Except for Chinatown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=T37QkBc4IGY), the corruption's not in LA. It's in Ukraine. Haven't you been following the news?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: ugarteThat's a new contract right there.
I thought about posting on Jeff Archer's chances. I mean, maybe he has turned this thing around and will go on to be Cornell's most legendary coach, eventually spending more time leading Cornell that Mike Schafer. First we gotta get by Columbia.
Watch! If Andy fires Archer, he (Archer) will go on to win two Super Bowls and have the best winning percentage in NFL history. It's a Cornell tradition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seifert).
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardSeesaw battle against unbeaten #12 Dartmouth. Cornell leads 18-17 with 5 minutes to play. At least that's what the Dartmouth stats ticker says. I'm in LA, figure there must be a problem with corruption on the telegraph wires. Make that 20-17 Cornell; we scored on the 2-point conversion that failed against Penn last week.
Except for Chinatown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=T37QkBc4IGY), the corruption's not in LA. It's in Ukraine. Haven't you been following the news?
Forget it, Jake.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardSeesaw battle against unbeaten #12 Dartmouth. Cornell leads 18-17 with 5 minutes to play. At least that's what the Dartmouth stats ticker says. I'm in LA, figure there must be a problem with corruption on the telegraph wires. Make that 20-17 Cornell; we scored on the 2-point conversion that failed against Penn last week.
Except for Chinatown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=T37QkBc4IGY), the corruption's not in LA. It's in Ukraine. Haven't you been following the news?
Forget it, Jake.
It's Collegetown...
Not anymore. :-/
But I guess that's the point.
Nice win. Team has been surprisingly competitive as massive underdogs all season. Believe the line yesterday was -30.5
Guess that's something
Quote from: CU2007Nice win. Team has been surprisingly competitive as massive underdogs all season. Believe the line yesterday was -30.5
Guess that's something
Anyone paying attention would have seen Dartmouth had been sputtering. 230 yards total offense against Harvard until the flukey, game-winning hail mary. 293 yards against Princeton in The Bronx. Hardly a juggernaut. Great win, but that spread was nuts.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU2007Nice win. Team has been surprisingly competitive as massive underdogs all season. Believe the line yesterday was -30.5
Guess that's something
Anyone paying attention would have seen Dartmouth had been sputtering. 230 yards total offense against Harvard until the flukey, game-winning hail mary. 293 yards against Princeton in The Bronx. Hardly a juggernaut. Great win, but that spread was nuts.
Tell me this on Friday next time!!!
Who knew Yahoo Sports was still a thing? Or that they name and FCS team of the week?
https://sports.yahoo.com/fcs-team-week-cornell-pulls-shocker-063419322--ncaaf.html
Not a bad ceramic Dalmatian for a 3-6 team...
Quote from: RobbWho knew Yahoo Sports was still a thing? Or that they name and FCS team of the week?
https://sports.yahoo.com/fcs-team-week-cornell-pulls-shocker-063419322--ncaaf.html
Not a bad ceramic Dalmatian for a 3-6 team...
Wow:
QuoteCornell, which is finishing its seventh straight losing season and hasn't finished above .500 in the league or overall since 2005, beat a ranked opponent on the road for the first time since 1950.
Cornell-Columbia-
One of the best efforts on both sides of the ball that I have seen from a Cornell football team in years. Cornell's offense was not cited for any penalties and the defense was very solid. Archer has gradually upgraded the level of talent so that athletically they were competitive. IMO Cornell was undone on several occasions due to mental mistakes this season-untimely interceptions being a main cause. I hope that Richie Kenney turned the corner with the Columbia game and will have a better overall season next year. Am in favor of keeping Archer-nuff said.
Football All-Ivy: 6 from Dartmouth on the first teams offense and defense, five on the first team. Aidan Borguet, Harvard RB, is rookie of the year. Buddy Teevens of Dartmouth is coach of the year. Player of the year is named in a week or so.
From Cornell, seven players cite. RB Harold Coles and DB Jelani Taylor on the first team (both seniors, unfortunately). Also from Cornell:
2nd Hunter Nourzad, sophomore OL
2nd Jake Stebbins, freshman LB
2nd David Jones, Senior DB
HM John Fitzgerald, Senior TE
HM Nickolas Null, senior, as PK and P
Ivy League release: https://ivyleague.com/news/2019/11/26/ivy-league-announces-football-all-ivy-rookie-of-the-year-coach-of-the-year.aspx
Cornell release: [url=https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/11/26/coles-taylor-lead-eight-all-ivy-league-football-selections.aspx]Coles, Taylor Lead Eight All-Ivy League Football Selections[/url]
(The "Eight" refers to the kicker getting two HMs.)
Everybody on all teams:
Asterisk = unanimous
[b]FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY[/b]
Offense
Zach Sammartino, Dartmouth (Sr., OL – Pittsburgh, Pa.)
Liam Shanahan, Harvard (Sr., OL – Marlborough, Mass.)
Greg Benoche, Penn (Sr., OL – Delray Beach, Fla.)
Alex Deters, Princeton (Sr., OL – Cincinnati, Ohio)
Dieter Eiselen, Yale (Sr., OL – Stellenbosch, South Africa)
EJ Perry, Brown (Jr., QB – Andover, Mass.)
* Kurt Rawlings, Yale (Sr., QB – Bel Air, Md.)
Harold Coles, Cornell (Sr., RB – Erie, Pa.)
Karekin Brooks, Penn (Sr., RB – Marietta, Ga.)
JP Shohfi, Yale (Sr., WR – San Marino, Calif.)
Reed Klubnik, Yale (Sr., WR – Austin, Texas)
Rory Schlageter, Columbia (Sr., TE – Maplewood, N.J.)
Defense
Jackson Perry, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Las Vegas, Nev.)
Niko Lalos, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Akron, Ohio)
Brogan McPartland, Harvard (Sr., DL – Stephens City, Va.)
Prince Emili, Penn (Sr., DL – New City, N.Y.)
Nigel Alexander, Dartmouth (Sr., LB – Orlando, Fla.)
* Jack Traynor, Dartmouth (Sr., LB – Lake Forest, Ill.)
Jordan Hill, Harvard (Jr., LB – Silver Spring, Md.)
* Jeremiah Tyler, Princeton (Jr., LB – Detroit, Mich.)
Jelani Taylor, Cornell (Sr., DB – Beecher, Mich.)
* Isiah Swann, Dartmouth (Sr., DB – Queen Creek, Ariz.)
Isaiah Wingfield, Harvard (Jr., DB – Burlington, N.J.)
Delan Stallworth, Princeton (Jr., DB – Cincinnati, Ohio)
Special Teams
Sam Tuckerman, Yale (Sr., K – Bexley, Ohio)
Jon Sot, Harvard (So., P – Clark, N.J.)
* Mike Roussos, Columbia (So., RS – New Port Richey, Fla.)
[b]SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY[/b]
Offense
Chad Broome-Webster, Brown (Jr., OL – Orlando, Fla.)
Hunter Nourzad, Cornell (So., OL – Marietta, Ga.)
Evan Hecimovich, Dartmouth (Jr., OL – Lisle, Ill.)
Eric Wilson, Harvard (Jr. OL – Minnetrista, Minn.)
Henry Byrd, Princeton (So., OL – Nashville, Tenn.)
Sterling Strother, Yale (Sr., OL – Moraga, Calif.)
Jared Gerbino, Dartmouth (Sr., QB – Rush, N.Y.)
Devin Darrington, Harvard (Jr., RB – Forest Hill, Md.)
Collin Eaddy, Princeton (Jr., RB – Raleigh, N.C.)
Zane Dudek, Yale (Jr., RB – Kittanning, Pa.)
Drew Estrada, Dartmouth (Sr., WR – Argyle, Texas)
Ryan Cragun, Penn (So., WR – San Juan Capistrano, Calif.)
Jacob Birmelin, Princeton (Jr., WR – Royal Palm Beach, Fla.)
Carson Bobo, Princeton (So., TE – Birmingham, Ala.)
Defense
Michael Hoecht, Brown (Sr., DL – Oakwood, Ohio)
Daniel DeLorenzi, Columbia (Sr., DL – Cedar Grove, N.J.)
David Chalmers, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Leesburg, Va.)
Sam Wright, Princeton (Jr., DL – Lawrenceville, Ga.)
Spencer Matthaei, Yale (Sr., DL – Bayville, N.Y.)
Jake Stebbins, Cornell (Fr., LB – Cranberry Township, Pa.)
Brian O'Neill, Penn (Jr., LB – Roseland, N.J.)
Zach Evans, Penn (Sr., LB – Harrison, N.Y.)
Ryan Burke, Yale (Sr., LB – Huntington Beach, Calif.)
David Jones, Cornell (Sr., DB – Sugar Land, Texas)
Ryan Roegge, Dartmouth (Sr., DB – Marietta, Ga.)
Darren Stanley, Dartmouth (Jr., DB – Conway, S.C.)
Malcolm Dixon, Yale (Sr., DB – Gardena, Calif.)
Special Teams
Tavish Rice, Princeton (Sr., K – Miami, Fla.)
Will Powers, Princeton (Fr., P – Manhattan Beach, Calif.)
Drew Estrada, Dartmouth (Sr., RS – Argyle, Texas)
[b]HONORABLE MENTION ALL-IVY[/b]
Offense
Parker Coogan, Columbia (Sr., OL – Kingwood, Texas)
James Lee, Harvard (Jr., OL – San Diego, Calif.)
Brent Holder, Princeton (Sr., OL – Chicago, Ill.)
Cameron Warfield, Yale (Jr., OL – Washington, D.C.)
Kevin Davidson, Princeton (Sr., QB – Danville, Calif.)
Jakob Prall, Brown (Sr., WR – Tipp City, Ohio)
Livingstone Harriott, Brown (Sr., WR – Central Islip, N.Y.)
Hunter Hagdorn, Dartmouth (Sr., WR – Manvel, Texas)
Emerson Logie, Brown (Sr., TE – New Canaan, Conn.)
John Fitzgerald, Cornell (Sr., TE – Baltimore, Md.)
Jake Guidone, Dartmouth (Jr., TE – East Walpole, Mass.)
Defense
Nasir Darnell, Harvard (Jr., DL – Matawan, N.J.)
Joey DeMarco, Princeton (Sr., DL – Del Mar, Calif.)
Scott Valentas, Columbia (Fr., LB – Wichita, Kan.)
Cameron Kline, Harvard (Sr., LB – Alpharetta, Ga.)
Joey Goodman, Harvard (Sr., LB – Marietta, Ga.)
James Johnson, Princeton (Jr., LB – Moorestown, N.J.)
Rodney Thomas II, Yale (Jr., LB – Pittsburgh, Pa.)
Ben Mathiasmeier, Columbia (Jr., DB – Katy, Texas)
Benjamin McKeighan, Columbia (Sr., DB – Scottsdale, Ariz.)
Niko Mermigas, Dartmouth (Jr., DB – Wexford, Pa.)
Cole Thompson, Harvard (Sr., DB – Folsom, Calif.)
TJ Floyd, Princeton (Sr., DB – Jacksonville, Fla.)
Melvin Rouse II, Yale (Jr., DB – East Charlotte, N.C.)
Special Teams
Alex Felkins, Columbia (Fr., K – Tulsa, Okla.)
Nickolas Null, Cornell (Sr., K – Bradenton, Fla.)
Nickolas Null, Cornell (Sr., P – Bradenton, Fla.)
Jacob Birmelin, Princeton (Jr., RS – Royal Palm Beach, Fla.)
There was no voting revealed beyond first team for coach of the year, so we don't know how Cornell's candidate for COTY fared. He sure deserved coach of the week Nov. 16.
QuoteJake Stebbins, freshman LB
Only freshman on the 1st or 2nd teams except the Princeton punter. Something to build on?
Quote from: TrotskyQuoteJake Stebbins, freshman LB
Only freshman on the 1st or 2nd teams except the Princeton punter. Something to build on?
Interesting that Harvard RB Adam Borguet was rookie of the year but did not make first, second or HM. And the was room: six slots awarded on the first and second teams for running backs.
I absolutely would not!
Cornell College announces search for new head football coach (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/cornell-college-announces-search-for-new-head-football-coach-20191119)
Oh, that's Cornell College and 10-year head coach Vince Brautigan who went 42-56.
Alum JC Tretter named president of the NFLPA
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28878240/browns-jc-tretter-elected-new-nflpa-president
Quote from: CU2007Alum JC Tretter named president of the NFLPA
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28878240/browns-jc-tretter-elected-new-nflpa-president
wasn't Seth Payne president too?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: CU2007Alum JC Tretter named president of the NFLPA
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28878240/browns-jc-tretter-elected-new-nflpa-president
wasn't Seth Payne president too?
Wikipedia doesn't include Seth Payne in their list of NFLPA presidents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Players_Association#Leadership As of this instant. the article is internally inconsistent in not having only been partially updated to reflect Tretter's election.
ITHACA, N.Y. -- The Cornell football team will host defending Ivy League champion Princeton on Friday, Nov. 1 at 6 p.m. on ESPNU as part of the Ivy League's ESPN football package. The contest will be one of seven games that will appear on ESPN linear networks during the 2019 season. This is the 12th-consecutive year that the league will feature a national football television package.
Quote from: aamor105ITHACA, N.Y. -- The Cornell football team will host defending Ivy League champion Princeton on Friday, Nov. 1 at 6 p.m. on ESPNU as part of the Ivy League's ESPN football package. The contest will be one of seven games that will appear on ESPN linear networks during the 2019 season. This is the 12th-consecutive year that the league will feature a national football television package.
Friday, 6 pm, probably 40 degrees and rainy.
Quote from: aamor105ITHACA, N.Y. -- The Cornell football team will host defending Ivy League champion Princeton on Friday, Nov. 1 at 6 p.m. on ESPNU as part of the Ivy League's ESPN football package. The contest will be one of seven games that will appear on ESPN linear networks during the 2019 season. This is the 12th-consecutive year that the league will feature a national football television package.
Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to 2019. We'll be visiting a time......
Surprised Cornell sports information hasn't yet released the 2024 football freshman class.