So that we can follow our recruits better, I suggest we make this thread a sticky, and update this first post whenever a new commit is announced. I derive my list of players from this site (http://collegehockeyinc.com/commitments.php)--please let me know if there is a better one.
Coming in 2020-21:
Forwards:
Jack O'Leary (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/386412/jack-o-leary)
Kyle Penney (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/266793/kyle-penney)
Defensemen:
James Rayhill (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/470080/jimmy-rayhill)
Jack Lagerstrom (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/318355/jack-lagerstrom)
Coming in 2021-22:
Forwards:
Aidan Cobb (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/397841/aidan-cobb)
Dan McIntyre (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/300797/dan-mcintyre)
Defensemen:
Donald Kempf (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/201723/donald-kempf)
Michael Suda (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/485646/michael-suda)
Goaltenders:
Joe Howe (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/530045/joe-howe)
Heisenberg has been compiling for years: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Or9-PHKXJ0IcB1kOhiqQ9K11zAUm49gtzBmwMdJlLCs/edit?usp=sharing
Quote from: Chris '03Heisenberg has been compiling for years: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Or9-PHKXJ0IcB1kOhiqQ9K11zAUm49gtzBmwMdJlLCs/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks, that's probably a more reliable list of recruits, as it includes a commit not listed on the college hockey inc list. The point of this thread is to link to their stats, though. My understanding is that no page on the internet does this. Big Red Puckhead doesn't update in real time I believe.
I like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2019/2019_Future_Players.html).
We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.
https://twitter.com/sammalinski/status/1072597627886292993
Sam Malinski (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/381044/sam-malinski) on Elite Prospects.
Jack Malone (who according to Big Red Puckhead will be coming to Ithaca in 2020 not 2019 as listed in the first post of this thread) had the lone assist on the USA's game winning goal in OT as the USA beat Canada West 3-2 last night to advance to the final of the World Junior A challenge against Russia this afternoon. Malone knocked down a Canada West pass in his defensive zone, and quickly sent a pass to a teammate who scored on the breakaway for the winner.
From my somewhat limited viewing, Malone plays a strong game all over the ice. He's got nice size, he skates well, and is defensively responsible (which will please you know who). I don't think he's scored a goal in the tournament, but has played more of a 3rd line role and isn't on the power play. But he does a nice job in the corners, is a heady passer, and has a good shot.
Today's final will be streamed today live at 6 p.m. ET at this link (https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/national-championships/men/world-junior-a/2018/stats/game-summary?gameid=2321). Russia beat the USA 4-3 in OT in their preliminary game.
The local newspaper had an article on Gunnery School hockey team, including this section on a Cornell recruit: (Badger is the coach)
Junior captain Jimmy Rayhill, who has already committed to Cornell University for the fall of 2020, anchors the defense. "Jimmy is a great skater and is a difference-maker because of his I.Q. and vision, which is off the charts," said Badger. "He sees things very few do."
Fresh off gold at the World Junior A challenge, Jack Malone had a hat trick and an assist in Youngstown's win last night
https://twitter.com/ushl/status/1083915630896648192Nice goal here by Jack Malone in USHL action last night
Quote from: BearLoverComing in 2021-22:
Forwards:
Defensemen:
Donald Kempf (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/201723/donald-kempf)
Class of '25? We've signed a bar mitzvah boy.
Quote from: TrotskyI like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2019/2019_Future_Players.html).
We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.
He goes by "Hank"
https://chicagomission.com/college-commitments/hank-kempf-commits-to-cornell-university/
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Baby (one generation removed).
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: TrotskyI like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2019/2019_Future_Players.html).
We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.
He goes by "Hank"
https://chicagomission.com/college-commitments/hank-kempf-commits-to-cornell-university/
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Baby (one generation removed).
Great name. Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnQuote from: TrotskyI like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2019/2019_Future_Players.html).
We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.
He goes by "Hank"
https://chicagomission.com/college-commitments/hank-kempf-commits-to-cornell-university/
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Baby (one generation removed).
Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.
No it doesn't.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnQuote from: TrotskyI like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2019/2019_Future_Players.html).
We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.
He goes by "Hank"
https://chicagomission.com/college-commitments/hank-kempf-commits-to-cornell-university/
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Baby (one generation removed).
Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.
No it doesn't.
You're right but what if he was going to Clarkson.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: SwampyQuote from: jkahnQuote from: TrotskyI like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2019/2019_Future_Players.html).
We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.
He goes by "Hank"
https://chicagomission.com/college-commitments/hank-kempf-commits-to-cornell-university/
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Baby (one generation removed).
Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.
No it doesn't.
You're right but what if he was going to Clarkson.
Loser might apply.
New defensive recruit, Michael Suda, Jr. From the Buffalo area, plays at the Nichols School. He's 16, so not sure when he's due in Ithaca.
https://twitter.com/michaelsuda7/status/1093617645365223424
He is class of 2020 born in july 2002 so that would make in 18 if he comes in 2020. 5'11" 170 right now.
He'll probably do a year in juniors, so my guess is fall 2021
Moar centers, plz.
(Not really. With Malone and Stienburg we'll have 5 this Fall.)
https://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1096466862202855424
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1096466862202855424
OK, that's just too young.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1096466862202855424
OK, that's just too young.
Apparently she turned 14 twelve days ago, so we were recruiting her at 13. Yikes. That's 7th grade.
I think the men's team had a similar early commit with Joey Kubachka, who committed when he was around 14. He is now playing for West Chester University of Pennsylvania in the ACHA.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1096466862202855424
OK, that's just too young.
Apparently she turned 14 twelve days ago, so we were recruiting her at 13. Yikes. That's 7th grade.
I think the men's team had a similar early commit with Joey Kubachka, who committed when he was around 14. He is now playing for West Chester University of Pennsylvania in the ACHA.
Which shows how imperfect early recruiting is. In fairness the girls tend to mature earlier, so perhaps a top-flight girl hockey player is a bit more of a "can't miss" at that age.
can they even have recruiting contact at that age?
Quote from: upprdeckcan they even have recruiting contact at that age?
I think as long as the recruit is making the initial contact? The whole NCAA recruiting thing is a ridiculous sham.
Quote from: WederQuote from: upprdeckcan they even have recruiting contact at that age?
The whole NCAA recruiting thing is a ridiculous sham.
+100
Since I posted this information for the 2018 recruits over the summer, here are the ratings for Cornell's 2019 and 2020 recruits from Neutral Zone. They reevaluate a few every once in a while.
2019
Berard 3.75
Dirven 4.00
Kabachka 3.50
Lagarstrom 3.75
Malinski 3.75
Malone 4.00
Mitchell 3.75
Muzyka 3.75
Nelson 3.50
O'Leary 4.00
Stienburg 3.75
B Tupker 3.50
Z Tupker 3.50
2020
Kempf 3.75
Penney 3.75
Rayhill 3.75
Suda 4.00
What the numbers mean https://www.neutralzone.net/mens/educational-blog-post/neutral-zone-star-ratings-player-rankings/ (I think that is a public document.)
I have been assuming that the ratings, but not the evaluations, are public since they usually include it on their tweets, Also I have not gotten any complaints when I post this for RPI's recruits. From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits.
If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.
Quote from: ursusminorIf it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.
Thanks, Ralph! It is of great interest.
Truly great would be seeing the ratings from our past classes, to give us context. You know, in your copious free time. :-)
Man, it seems like O'Leary has been a recruit for a decade. There must have been another one we lost.
Yes, Michael O'Leary who's at Notre Dame
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ursusminorIf it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.
Thanks, Ralph! It is of great interest.
Truly great would be seeing the ratings from our past classes, to give us context. You know, in your copious free time. :-)
Well, I am retired as you know, and it is a good break from writing a speech in German on the reaction in Germany to the Chernobyl disaster.
OK, the women,
2019
Breza 4.25
Daniel 4.25
Isaac 4.25
Kenyon 3.50
Zingas 4.00
Zweber 3.00
2020
Boucher 4.00
Chokelel 3.50
Delianedis 4.25
Messier 4.00
Rud 4.00
Ruggiero 3.75
Yu 3.75
2021
Dulac 3.25
Guilday 3.75
Huo 3.50
MacSween 3.75
Mende 4.00
2022
Adam 3.75
Chan 4.00
Geer 3.50
Regalado 3.25
If there is someone missing on either this or the men's list, they may have been evaluated and just not been linked to Cornell. If you give me their first and last name, I will check. OTOH, from my own experience, they sometimes find out about recruits committing before other sources. I can, of course, supply the given name if you want to Google anyone.
Past classes.
They only go back to 2016. I am sure that this doesn't agree with your freshmen through junior classes.
2018
Andreyev 4.00
Brakel 3.75
Bramwell 3.50
Leahy 4.00
McDonald 3.50
Motley 3.75
Regush 4.00
Song 3.25
2017
Barron 3.75
Betts 3.75
Cairns 3.75
Donaldson 3.75
Galajda 3.75
Green 4.00
Haiskanen 3.75
Locke 3.75
McGrath 3.25
Mullin 4.00
2016
Bauld 3.50
Hoffman 4.00
Kaldis 4.50
Malott 4.00
Murphy 3.50
Quote from: ursusminorPast classes.
They only go back to 2016. I am sure that this doesn't agree with your freshmen through junior classes.
2018
Andreyev 4.00
Brakel 3.75
Bramwell 3.50
Leahy 4.00
McDonald 3.50
Motley 3.75
Regush 4.00
Song 3.25
2017
Barron 3.75
Betts 3.75
Cairns 3.75
Donaldson 3.75
Galajda 3.75
Green 4.00
Haiskanen 3.75
Locke 3.75
McGrath 3.25
Mullin 4.00
2016
Bauld 3.50
Hoffman 4.00
Kaldis 4.50
Malott 4.00
Murphy 3.50
The ratings seem a bit off the mark for Barron, Donaldson and Galajda. Interesting that Kaldis had a significantly higher rating than anyone else during the cycle.
Quote from: ursusminorSince I posted this information for the 2018 recruits over the summer, here are the ratings for Cornell's 2019 and 2020 recruits from Neutral Zone. They reevaluate a few every once in a while.
2019
Berard 3.75
Dirven 4.00
Kabachka 3.50
Lagarstrom 3.75
Malinski 3.75
Malone 4.00
Mitchell 3.75
Muzyka 3.75
Nelson 3.50
O'Leary 4.00
Stienburg 3.75
B Tupker 3.50
Z Tupker 3.50
2020
Kempf 3.75
Penney 3.75
Rayhill 3.75
Suda 4.00
What the numbers mean https://www.neutralzone.net/mens/educational-blog-post/neutral-zone-star-ratings-player-rankings/ (I think that is a public document.)
I have been assuming that the ratings, but not the evaluations, are public since they usually include it on their tweets, Also I have not gotten any complaints when I post this for RPI's recruits. From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits.
If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.
Thank you for posting. Who are "Kabachka" and "Nelson"? Looks like some of the other names are spelled wrong. Makes me wonder about these ratings...
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: ursusminorSince I posted this information for the 2018 recruits over the summer, here are the ratings for Cornell's 2019 and 2020 recruits from Neutral Zone. They reevaluate a few every once in a while.
2019
Berard 3.75
Dirven 4.00
Kabachka 3.50
Lagarstrom 3.75
Malinski 3.75
Malone 4.00
Mitchell 3.75
Muzyka 3.75
Nelson 3.50
O'Leary 4.00
Stienburg 3.75
B Tupker 3.50
Z Tupker 3.50
2020
Kempf 3.75
Penney 3.75
Rayhill 3.75
Suda 4.00
What the numbers mean https://www.neutralzone.net/mens/educational-blog-post/neutral-zone-star-ratings-player-rankings/ (I think that is a public document.)
I have been assuming that the ratings, but not the evaluations, are public since they usually include it on their tweets, Also I have not gotten any complaints when I post this for RPI's recruits. From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits.
If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.
Thank you for posting. Who are "Kabachka" and "Nelson"? Looks like some of the other names are spelled wrong. Makes me wonder about these ratings...
Should be Joey Kubachka, my misspelling. He plays now for an ACHA school. Nelson is Joshua Nelson who plays for the London Knights. I assume that they were once Cornell recruits, but I certainly don't know. As I wrote "From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits." They make a lot of errors. I noticed that they conflated reports for 5'6" Clarkson forward recruit Alexis Giguere with a 6'2" defenseman of the same name. I wrote a couple of times about similar errors for RPI recruits, but I don't follow other schools close enough for anything else.
The ratings are not perfect as was pointed out in the previous post. I find them and the evaluations, which I won't post, interesting, but certainly not the end-all. They gave a 3.75 to the RPI women's 3rd string goalie who has not played at all in two years. I don't expect to see her next season either when she will be the only returnee.
I don't remember him but elite prospects reports the Nelson ex-commitment as well:
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/274015/josh-nelson
Quote from: ursusminorThe ratings are not perfect as was pointed out in the previous post. I find them and the evaluations, which I won't post, interesting, but certainly not the end-all.
We understand the spirit in which they are intended, and I
greatly appreciate you copying them out for us. I found them fascinating.
Corey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.
The only other name which I think that I copied incorrectly is Lagerstrom. The spelling of Stienburg agrees with USHL page (https://www.ushl.com/view#/player/8356/67/matthew-stienburg), as opposed to the first post on this page.
The ratings appear to be correct on each of the three lists which I posted.
I didn't post the list of current women's players. They only go back to 2017.
2018
Burke 4.25
Frechette 4.00
McKenzie 4.00
Pietrowski 4.00
Song 4.00
2017
Browning 3.75
Facchinato 4.00
Frechette 4.00
Mills 4.00
Nealey 4.00
Phelps 4.00
Slobodzian 4.00
BTW, they don't yet have Ella Huntley who committed a few days ago as a Cornell recruit. Believe it or not, she is only rated at 3.00. I assume that will improve before she shows up in Ithaca. I can't believe that any school would recruit a player who isn't considerably above average that far in advance. Interestingly, the RPI men received a verbal this week for a player born in 2003 who was rated at 3.00. It is now at 3.25.
The list of NZ's scouts are here (https://www.neutralzone.net/mens/our-team-2/) for the men and here (https://www.neutralzone.net/womens/our-team/) for the women.
In addition to Huntley, the following Cornell women's recruits are mentioned here (https://www.collegecommitments.com/CommitList.aspx?x7cq9=FEMALE) but not linked to Cornell by NZ:
Van Gelder 3.75
Thibodeau, in data base, but not rated
Quote from: TrotskyCorey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.
Do you suppose this (https://www.samha.ca/team/2166/0/1941/0) is where he wound up?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyCorey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.
Do you suppose this (https://www.samha.ca/team/2166/0/1941/0) is where he wound up?
Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account (https://twitter.com/c_hoffman27?lang=en) with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyCorey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.
Do you suppose this (https://www.samha.ca/team/2166/0/1941/0) is where he wound up?
Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account (https://twitter.com/c_hoffman27?lang=en) with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.
There is a directory and per the directory he's still a Cornell student.
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyCorey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.
Do you suppose this (https://www.samha.ca/team/2166/0/1941/0) is where he wound up?
Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account (https://twitter.com/c_hoffman27?lang=en) with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.
There is a directory and per the directory he's still a Cornell student.
I wonder if he's in hockey shape? :-P
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: jkahnQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyCorey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.
Do you suppose this (https://www.samha.ca/team/2166/0/1941/0) is where he wound up?
Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account (https://twitter.com/c_hoffman27?lang=en) with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.
There is a directory and per the directory he's still a Cornell student.
I wonder if he's in hockey shape? :-P
I think at this point the issue is if he's in shape that makes him as effective as some of the players who either are playing injured or otherwise are the least effective on the team.
Does the school need to get the league to "clear" a student to play, or could we literally just have some student lace them up (with whatever consequences later on if he was deemed ineligible)? Would the ref allow a team to skate a player not listed on the roster? i.e., does "roster" have consequential meaning within the rules of the league?
Quote from: TrotskyDoes the school need to get the league to "clear" a student to play, or could we literally just have some student lace them up (with whatever consequences later on if he was deemed ineligible)? Would the ref allow a team to skate a player not listed on the roster? i.e., does "roster" have consequential meaning within the rules of the league?
I would have to imagine a student would have to be on the official NCAA roster to be eligible for a game. Think of the legal implications of a random student was hurt or killed on the ice during an NCAA game. That said, I think it's up to the school to ensure a player meets the NCAA's requirements for eligibility. That's why you sometimes hear much later on of NCAA sanctions for an ineligible player. I assume if the NCAA cleared a player as eligible they couldn't later turn around and impose sanctions (unless someone provided false info?)
Quote from: CU2007I assume if the NCAA cleared a player as eligible they couldn't later turn around and impose sanctions (unless someone provided false info?)
Maine on line one. They say they'll hold.
Several years ago, someone commented here that he did not feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.
Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (https://www.ushl.com/view#/player/7457/67/jaden-shields) (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.
Quote from: ursusminorSeveral years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.
Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (https://www.ushl.com/view#/player/7457/67/jaden-shields) (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.
Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.
Quote from: Jim HylaWrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.
Sad, but true....
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ursusminorSeveral years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.
Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (https://www.ushl.com/view#/player/7457/67/jaden-shields) (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.
Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.
True, but I wonder how many junior teams actually make money.
BTW, I edited my previous post because I left out the important word "not" in the first sentence. ::doh::
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ursusminorSeveral years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.
Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (https://www.ushl.com/view#/player/7457/67/jaden-shields) (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.
Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.
True, but I wonder how many junior teams actually make money.
BTW, I edited my previous post because I left out the important word "not" in the first sentence. ::doh::
So you're taking your guidance from the president?:-D
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ursusminorSeveral years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.
Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (https://www.ushl.com/view#/player/7457/67/jaden-shields) (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.
Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.
True, but I wonder how many junior teams actually make money.
BTW, I edited my previous post because I left out the important word "not" in the first sentence. ::doh::
So you're taking your guidance from the president?:-D
I avoid Shirley Jackson as much as possible. :-)
Ben Berard, who just returned after missing 4 months due to an injury, scored for Powell River in their playoff game last night. Berard has a great shot and should step right into the lineup next year as a productive forward.
Apparently Berard suffered a potential career-ending back injury in December (https://www.prpeak.com/sports/captain-ben-berard-returns-as-powell-river-kings-wrap-regular-season-1.23647823). Glad he's back on the ice, and hopefully the injury won't recur.
Quote from: scoop85Apparently Berard suffered a potential career-ending back injury in December (https://www.prpeak.com/sports/captain-ben-berard-returns-as-powell-river-kings-wrap-regular-season-1.23647823).(October) Glad he's back on the ice, and hopefully the injury won't recur.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: scoop85Apparently Berard suffered a potential career-ending back injury in December (https://www.prpeak.com/sports/captain-ben-berard-returns-as-powell-river-kings-wrap-regular-season-1.23647823).(October) Glad he's back on the ice, and hopefully the injury won't recur.
Yeah, I read it as October but for some reason typed December. He missed virtually the entire regular season.
Any of them also play box lacrosse? Faceoff experience?
Posting here for lack of a better place since these clubs are a route to the college level. The Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-youth-hockey-lawsuit-20190227-story.html) reports on two lawsuits in Illinois alleging that Amateur Hockey Association of Illinois (AHAI), the local affiliate of USA Hockey, is refusing to grant membership to new Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs so that they can artificially keep keep charges to players higher than necessary. Each of the current clubs in with AHAI is said to have at least one employee being paid over $100,000.
https://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1118947199365406720
https://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1116757888557412354
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1118947199365406720
https://twitter.com/WHockeyCommits/status/1116757888557412354
2023-2024? Good lord. ::thud::
As if on cue, NC$$ moves to reform college hockey recruiting (http://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/2019/04/ncaa-rule-changes-to-slow-recruiting.php) and stop bullshit like this with the men. Hopefully we'll see something similar on the women's side (why would there be a difference?).
QuoteRule changes approved by the NCAA's Division I Council today will significantly alter the recruiting timeline for Division I men's hockey prospects with the goal of slowing down and improving the recruiting experience.
The changes restructure the timing of permissible recruiting activities, creating two starting points for various recruiting activities. The most impactful changes are:
Eliminating all recruiting conversations (whether initiated by the coach or the prospect) prior to Jan. 1 of a prospect's sophomore (grade 10) year.
Establishing Aug. 1 prior to a prospect's junior (grade 11) year as the first date when NCAA coaches can make a verbal offer.
Quote from: TrotskyAs if on cue, NC$$ moves to reform college hockey recruiting (http://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/2019/04/ncaa-rule-changes-to-slow-recruiting.php) and stop bullshit like this with the men. Hopefully we'll see something similar on the women's side (why would there be a difference?).
Trotsky- you didn't read enough of that article ;) which implies no changes being looked at for the women
QuoteThe rule changes for men's hockey recruiting vary slightly from another set of changes approved for most other NCAA sports, including women's hockey.
...
The men's hockey rules changes are distinct from other sports to help account for other opportunities in hockey that prospective student-athletes may be presented with at a young age.
Sounds like something about Juniors is the issue for the men, while that isn't an issue for the women.
Updated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).
Quote from: BearLoverUpdated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).
Yes, it's June 29th. The summer's almost history.
Quote from: martyQuote from: BearLoverUpdated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).
Yes, it's June 29th. The summer's almost history.
Recruiting happens years before the players matriculate, and much of it during the offseason.
The official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Quote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Per Brandon Thomas, there will be a Cornell player wearing #13 for the first time since before we had a national title.
https://twitter.com/BT_unassisted/status/1148596753618411521
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Per Brandon Thomas, there will be a Cornell player wearing #13 for the first time since before we had a national title.
https://twitter.com/BT_unassisted/status/1148596753618411521
Used to be that only Russians would wear #13. Now it seems everyone does.
Quote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Certainly a balanced class, with lots of guys who look like they can contribute right away. Given what we have coming back, competition for playing time will be fierce (as it should be).
Interesting that Ben Tupker is listed as 6'3" while his twin brother Zach is only 6'1"
Quote from: RichHQuote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Per Brandon Thomas, there will be a Cornell player wearing #13 for the first time since before we had a national title.
https://twitter.com/BT_unassisted/status/1148596753618411521
My favorite number so he's already my favorite player! :)
Quote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Is 29 our largest roster?
Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Scoring_by_Year/rptCornell_Scoring_1967.pdf) played in at least 1 game.)
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: martyQuote from: BearLoverUpdated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).
Yes, it's June 29th. The summer's almost history.
Recruiting happens years before the players matriculate, and much of it during the offseason.
Yeah, and honestly if they're starting now it's probably too late.
Happily, I feel like this year's freshman class (minus the goaltending) is a big part of that plan. It's a big group with lots of quality junior leagues represented, and the one guy who didn't play much in juniors was a 3rd round draft pick out of what appears to be a strong prep school league. There were only 3 freshmen who saw regular ice time last year, so 2021-22 could get ugly if a lot of the newcomers don't pan out.
Quote from: Tom LentoThere were only 3 freshmen who saw regular ice time last year, so 2021-22 could get ugly if a lot of the newcomers don't pan out.
That's a little misleading. Of the 7 players after Brakel left, 1 was the obvious "goalie who raises the median GPA" so that leaves us with 6. Of those 6 we had Regush as a star, Leahy and Motley as solid contributors, and Andreev as one of the best couple D on the team until his injury. That's 4 who should be regulars this year. Then there's Song who was injured all year. He may have been Charles Wang's pity draft pick or he may be something; we'll find out. Bramwell wasn't ready yet but there have been
plenty of guys who didn't do much as frosh but later came into their own (Nuttle, Rauter, Weidner).
This incoming class looks very solid, with most of the guys looking like they fit the profile of guys like Malott, Green, or Barron. They have size and Mike seems to continue to be serious about bringing in goals and skating chops. I see this group as deep and able to withstand the injuries that seem to be increasing around the league. We pretty much know that at least one important F and one D will be out at any given time and this gives us cover.
As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Quote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Meanwhile, just today I was thinking about this one who got away (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=187534). Those are some gaudy numbers.
Their loss. Fuck em.
Quote from: Trotsky1 was the obvious "goalie who raises the median GPA'...
I heard a couple weeks ago there's quite a few of those on the lacrosse team, too (not all goalies obviously).
Quote from: KenPInteresting that Ben Tupker is listed as 6'3" while his twin brother Zach is only 6'1"
Are they Fraternal twins (vs. identical twins)? https://www.healthychildren.org/English/family-life/family-dynamics/Pages/The-Difference-Between-Identical-and-Fraternal-Twins.aspx
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.
I wouldn't say he counts. Judging by the eLF thread he was a commit for 11 days. That's only 16 credit hours of A's at Harvard.
I'm trying to recall our freshman who elected to go back to the juniors after just a few weeks here because he was emotionally overwhelmed. I think he was Quebecois. That wasn't Limoges was it? (Edit: no, he was from... fucking
Winchester? VA rednecks and antique furniture stores Winchester? Jesus...)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.
Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.
wasn't it Hudon or something like that? (Red Wings pick I think)
Philippe Hudon. Bad OCD
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Tom LentoThere were only 3 freshmen who saw regular ice time last year, so 2021-22 could get ugly if a lot of the newcomers don't pan out.
That's a little misleading. Of the 7 players after Brakel left, 1 was the obvious "goalie who raises the median GPA" so that leaves us with 6. Of those 6 we had Regush as a star, Leahy and Motley as solid contributors, and Andreev as one of the best couple D on the team until his injury. That's 4 who should be regulars this year. Then there's Song who was injured all year. He may have been Charles Wang's pity draft pick or he may be something; we'll find out. Bramwell wasn't ready yet but there have been plenty of guys who didn't do much as frosh but later came into their own (Nuttle, Rauter, Weidner).
This incoming class looks very solid, with most of the guys looking like they fit the profile of guys like Malott, Green, or Barron. They have size and Mike seems to continue to be serious about bringing in goals and skating chops. I see this group as deep and able to withstand the injuries that seem to be increasing around the league. We pretty much know that at least one important F and one D will be out at any given time and this gives us cover.
Oh, weird, I totally missed Motley when looking at the roster. Should've been 4 in my original post, which is a little better. If Song or Bramwell turn out to be strong contributors later in their careers there's more of a margin for error with the incoming class and better guarantees of depth in future years, but that's kind of my point - this incoming class is pretty important.
About the incoming group, I agree they look solid. Most of the USHL/BCHL recruits seem strong by the numbers, the one prep school player was a 3rd round pick, and the 3 from the second-tier junior leagues put up the kind of scoring stats you want to see from a college prospect in those leagues. You never know how things will go but there's good cause for optimism.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.
Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.
Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it's a sign of aging that's a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.
Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.
Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it's a sign of aging that's a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.
And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.
Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.
Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it's a sign of aging that's a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.
And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.
You appear to have missed the sarcasm in Charles' comment.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.
Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.
Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it's a sign of aging that's a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.
And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.
You appear to have missed the sarcasm in Charles' comment.
And who the fuck is CHARLES?!
(OK, OK, I get it. My only defense is I expect better from a pro.)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85As nice as it is to discuss who's arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,162013,162094)
Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.
Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.
Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.
Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it's a sign of aging that's a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.
And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.
You appear to have missed the sarcasm in Charles' comment.
And who the fuck is CHARLES?!
(OK, OK, I get it. My only defense is I expect better from a pro.)
The amount of time it took you to pick up on it is the proof that it was good, not that it was bad.
Quote from: RitaQuote from: KenPInteresting that Ben Tupker is listed as 6'3" while his twin brother Zach is only 6'1"
Are they Fraternal twins (vs. identical twins)? https://www.healthychildren.org/English/family-life/family-dynamics/Pages/The-Difference-Between-Identical-and-Fraternal-Twins.aspx
Yes, identical twins according to the press release.
Quote from: ugarteThe amount of time it took you to pick up on it is the proof that it was good, not that it was bad.
No.
Bear with me here.
It did occur to me that my sarcasm meter was broken (though only after you pointed out my dotage).
At that point I saw that it was you and not one of our other posters. I thought, "OK... but that's a joke I could make. He thinks of jokes I can't. I've seen him do it. There has to be something else." So I looked for something better, didn't find it, and thought, "in fact it's so good I still don't see it," thus complimenting you further by assuming I was missing it (note: this is something I do not do with other people).
So the price of you being complimented twice here at the highest level is this one joke doesn't get high marks. It wasn't dumb or bad, but it was something I'd have expected from somebody more plodding, like, say, me. It was a first rate second rate joke, as are all of mine. I expect second rate first rate jokes from you and first rate first rate jokes from people like Carlin and Pryor.
This has been another episode of Belaboring the Obvious.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Is 29 our largest roster?
Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Scoring_by_Year/rptCornell_Scoring_1967.pdf) played in at least 1 game.)
At the alumni dinner in New Haven last season, Schafer was asked what he could do about all the injuries. His answer was something like, "Bring in a big recruiting class for next fall." After the 2018-2019 season, this seems to be his new religion.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Is 29 our largest roster?
Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Scoring_by_Year/rptCornell_Scoring_1967.pdf) played in at least 1 game.)
At the alumni dinner in New Haven last season, Schafer was asked what he could do about all the injuries. His answer was something like, "Bring in a big recruiting class for next fall." After the 2018-2019 season, this seems to be his new religion.
The extra skater helps. I wonder if we'll ever reach a situation where we use all 19 skaters regularly, whether we'll have a PK specialist, a guy we use late in games if we want to shift uptempo (or down), maybe even a FOGO.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ACMThe official announcement for the class of 2023 (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/7/9/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-nine-newcomers.aspx).
Is 29 our largest roster?
Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptCornell_Scoring_by_Year/rptCornell_Scoring_1967.pdf) played in at least 1 game.)
At the alumni dinner in New Haven last season, Schafer was asked what he could do about all the injuries. His answer was something like, "Bring in a big recruiting class for next fall." After the 2018-2019 season, this seems to be his new religion.
The extra skater helps. I wonder if we'll ever reach a situation where we use all 19 skaters regularly, whether we'll have a PK specialist, a guy we use late in games if we want to shift uptempo (or down), maybe even a FOGO.
Praying to every deity out there that hockey never goes the FOGO route.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Praying to every deity out there that hockey never goes the FOGO route.
I was pretty much joking. Possession off the face off means 50x more in lax than in hockey.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteThe amount of time it took you to pick up on it is the proof that it was good, not that it was bad.
No.
Bear with me here.
It did occur to me that my sarcasm meter was broken (though only after you pointed out my dotage).
At that point I saw that it was you and not one of our other posters. I thought, "OK... but that's a joke I could make. He thinks of jokes I can't. I've seen him do it. There has to be something else." So I looked for something better, didn't find it, and thought, "in fact it's so good I still don't see it," thus complimenting you further by assuming I was missing it (note: this is something I do not do with other people).
So the price of you being complimented twice here at the highest level is this one joke doesn't get high marks. It wasn't dumb or bad, but it was something I'd have expected from somebody more plodding, like, say, me. It was a first rate second rate joke, as are all of mine. I expect second rate first rate jokes from you and first rate first rate jokes from people like Carlin and Pryor.
This has been another episode of Belaboring the Obvious.
The joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
I noticed that Connor Murphy is not listed on the 2019-20 roster.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Praying to every deity out there that hockey never goes the FOGO route.
I was pretty much joking. Possession off the face off means 50x more in lax than in hockey.
So was I. Shoulda used a smiley.
Quote from: ugarteThe joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Gracie had George.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteThe joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Gracie had George.
And then there's Fenneman.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteThe joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Gracie had George.
Say goodnight, Trotsky.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteThe joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Gracie had George.
Say goodnight, Trotsky.
::bang::
How many days did you say it is before the season starts?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteThe joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.
Gracie had George.
Say goodnight, Trotsky.
::bang::
How many days did you say it is before the season starts?
Too damn many.
Only 2 full months (8, 9) though.
It would be easier if one's MLB team were in contention.
Per Jason during tonight's broadcast, we missed out on this guy (https://www.uscho.com/2019/10/09/harvard-gets-commitment-from-world-class-player-ntdp-standout-beniers/). Both parents are Cornell alums. That's just poor parenting. :-(
Quote from: TrotskyPer Jason during tonight's broadcast, we missed out on this guy (https://www.uscho.com/2019/10/09/harvard-gets-commitment-from-world-class-player-ntdp-standout-beniers/). Both parents are Cornell alums. That's just poor parenting. :-(
Well, Kent Manderville and Kim Ratushny's kid is a freshman playing for Colgate, so that seems even more egregious.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyPer Jason during tonight's broadcast, we missed out on this guy (https://www.uscho.com/2019/10/09/harvard-gets-commitment-from-world-class-player-ntdp-standout-beniers/). Both parents are Cornell alums. That's just poor parenting. :-(
Well, Kent Manderville and Kim Ratushny's kid is a freshman playing for Colgate, so that seems even more egregious.
I'm okay with that because he might not be good enough. Beniers OTOH is a projected early pick.
He's from Hingham so hopefully the parents just have Boston Disease. His other choice was BC.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyPer Jason during tonight's broadcast, we missed out on this guy (https://www.uscho.com/2019/10/09/harvard-gets-commitment-from-world-class-player-ntdp-standout-beniers/). Both parents are Cornell alums. That's just poor parenting. :-(
Well, Kent Manderville and Kim Ratushny's kid is a freshman playing for Colgate, so that seems even more egregious.
I'm okay with that because he might not be good enough. Beniers OTOH is a projected early pick.
He's from Hingham so hopefully the parents just have Boston Disease. His other choice was BC.
The Manderville kid was a pretty decent recruit, although certainly nowhere near the recruit Beniers is. Too bad we couldn't leverage the double legacy in his case.
New forward recruit from the BCHL (https://www.cowichancapitals.com/ncaa-commitment-dan-mcintyre-commits-to-cornell-university). McIntyre's scoring at about a point per game pace this season.
Quote from: scoop85New forward recruit from the BCHL (https://www.cowichancapitals.com/ncaa-commitment-dan-mcintyre-commits-to-cornell-university). McIntyre's scoring at about a point per game pace this season.
He's gonna need to add some bulk.
Gonna turn 19 in less than a month, if he needs another year to bulk up he would graduate as a 24 1/2-year old.
Quote from: TrotskyGonna turn 19 in less than a month, if he needs another year to bulk up he would graduate as a 24 1/2-year old.
I didn't mean he should take a year off. I was just suggesting he's kind of "light" at 5'10" / 160.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyGonna turn 19 in less than a month, if he needs another year to bulk up he would graduate as a 24 1/2-year old.
I didn't mean he should take a year off. I was just suggesting he's kind of "light" at 5'10" / 160.
Ah. Yes, I agree with you.
OP updated.
https://twitter.com/_JoeHowe34/status/1194363751492796416
BCHL goalie originally from Ontario. 5-12 with a 3.69 GAA and .903 save% in 20 games for the Victoria Grizzlies.
A little more info about Howe (https://www.victoriagrizzlies.com/rookie-goalie-joe-howe-has-victoria-grizzlies-back-on-track). He plays for the same team that produced Galajda. Despite the less than stellar stats, he seems like a solid prospect.
Quote from: scoop85A little more info about Howe (https://www.victoriagrizzlies.com/rookie-goalie-joe-howe-has-victoria-grizzlies-back-on-track). He plays for the same team that produced Galajda. Despite the less than stellar stats, he seems like a solid prospect.
Interesting to say the least. From the article there are extenuating circumstances for his crappy numbers.
I'm going to trust our staff in selecting goalies.
so what happened to the #1 goalie.. story says he probably would be back end of sept and still hasnt played a game
Howe's Elite Prospects (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/530045/joe-howe) page.
6/4/01
Barrie, ON
6' 2"
181
Victoria Grizzlies (BCHL)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85A little more info about Howe (https://www.victoriagrizzlies.com/rookie-goalie-joe-howe-has-victoria-grizzlies-back-on-track). He plays for the same team that produced Galajda. Despite the less than stellar stats, he seems like a solid prospect.
Interesting to say the least. From the article there are extenuating circumstances for his crappy numbers.
I'm going to trust our staff in selecting goalies.
Howe previously played for Upper Canada College (which I believe is actually a prep school), where Colin Greening came from. So some additional Cornell pedigree there.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85A little more info about Howe (https://www.victoriagrizzlies.com/rookie-goalie-joe-howe-has-victoria-grizzlies-back-on-track). He plays for the same team that produced Galajda. Despite the less than stellar stats, he seems like a solid prospect.
Interesting to say the least. From the article there are extenuating circumstances for his crappy numbers.
I'm going to trust our staff in selecting goalies.
Howe previously played for Upper Canada College (which I believe is actually a prep school), where Colin Greening came from. So some additional Cornell pedigree there.
Bruce Pattison,'69 also came to Cornell from Upper Canada College.
Barrie sounds familiar. I'll do a query tonight; wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of our guys came from there.
Quote from: TrotskyBarrie sounds familiar. I'll do a query tonight; wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of our guys came from there.
I think Mike Quinn and Gary Meager may have been from Barrie. Neither played a great number of varsity games. The bar was high to advance from the freshman team in the spring of 1971 to THE team in the fall.
I imagine NCAA recruiters had to BS all the prospective freshman that they would make it.
Author! (https://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/?a=d&d=CDS19701203.2.33&)
Quote from: martyAuthor! (https://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/?a=d&d=CDS19701203.2.33&)
QuoteMost of the players are veterans of the Canadian Junior B league (only Goodkind and Straight are Americans)' where offensive checking is legal.
Huh? When did offensive checking become legal in the NC$$? Or was this just a Frosh team rule?
Carrying over from Tom's post on the Yale thread, I love seeing Malinski on the pp as a freshman. He looks absolutely comfortable out there -- part of the phenomenal freshman class. As a veteran observer of the program told me last weekend: "we replaced three solid senior defensemen with freshmen and I don't notice the difference."
SSS comments on the frosh:
Malone: perfectly cromulent with a flash now and then
Tupker 14: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Tupker 21: already battling Motley for the 19th skater role
Stienburg: very sharp and skilled, could be a star
Berard: I didn't notice him much but hey no big mistakes
Muzyka: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Dirven: invisible; that's a good thing for a freshman D
Mitchell: Always seems to be in the right place
Malinski: back-to-back ECAC ROTW!
Quote from: TrotskyCarrying over from Tom's post on the Yale thread, I love seeing Malinski on the pp as a freshman. He looks absolutely comfortable out there -- part of the phenomenal freshman class. As a veteran observer of the program told me last weekend: "we replaced three solid senior defensemen with freshmen and I don't notice the difference."
SSS comments on the frosh:
Malone: perfectly cromulent with a flash now and then
Tupker 14: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Tupker 21: already battling Motley for the 19th skater role
Stienburg: very sharp and skilled, could be a star
Berard: I didn't notice him much but hey no big mistakes
Muzyka: insufficient data for a meaningful answer
Dirven: invisible; that's a good thing for a freshman D
Mitchell: Always seems to be in the right place
Malinski: back-to-back ECAC ROTW!
Dirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.
Quote from: ugarteDirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.
It was disorienting to see us flying and Yale trying to goon it up and slow us down.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteDirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.
It was disorienting to see us flying and Yale trying to goon it up and slow us down.
I don't even mean it in a Bobby Shore old-time-hockey way, I just mean when I see him, it's mostly because he's working for possession.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteDirven likes to muck along the wall so I like Dirven.
It was disorienting to see us flying and Yale trying to goon it up and slow us down.
I don't even mean it in a Bobby Shore old-time-hockey way, I just mean when I see him, it's mostly because he's working for possession.
I understood that. They are the guys who won't leave the boards or the corner as long as the opponent has possession. I love those guys, too. IIRC Greening was great at it, so it isn't mutually exclusive of talent. Mullin is great at it. It's really hard work.
Mike lives for that shit, so if Dirven's doing it he's going to log quality time.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyAuthor! (https://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/?a=d&d=CDS19701203.2.33&)
QuoteMost of the players are veterans of the Canadian Junior B league (only Goodkind and Straight are Americans)' where offensive checking is legal.
Huh? When did offensive checking become legal in the NC$$? Or was this just a Frosh team rule?
Not just a frosh rule, there was no body checking in the offensive zone in NCAA hockey when I was in school. Nevertheless, Ned's teams were awesome, aggressive forechecking teams, but it was like a full court press - no body hits but we were totally on top of the other team's attempts to get the puck out of their D zone. In a conversation I had one time with Giles Threadgold, the best ref in my era, he stated that John Hughes was the best forechecker he had ever seen in college hockey.
So you could tie up the stick but not F=ma a guy? Like women's hockey now?
Quote from: TrotskySo you could tie up the stick but not F=ma a guy? Like women's hockey now?
Yes. You could draw a penalty for "checking in the offensive zone."
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskySo you could tie up the stick but not F=ma a guy? Like women's hockey now?
Yes. You could draw a penalty for "checking in the offensive zone."
What was the rationale for just the O zone? Less chance of injury backchecking than forechecking?
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyBarrie sounds familiar. I'll do a query tonight; wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of our guys came from there.
I think Mike Quinn and Gary Meager may have been from Barrie. Neither played a great number of varsity games. The bar was high to advance from the freshman team in the spring of 1971 to THE team in the fall.
I imagine NCAA recruiters had to BS all the prospective freshman that they would make it.
Author! (https://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/?a=d&d=CDS19701203.2.33&)
From Barrie (that I have):
Andy Craig (87), Stewart Smith (89), George Swan (69).
I have neither Quinn nor Meager in my records. Was Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
Quote from: TrotskyI have neither Quinn or Meager in my records. Was Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
I don't know of any connection.
Quote from: TrotskyWas Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
Meagher
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyWas Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
Meagher
Oh.
As you were.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyWas Gary any relation to the amazing BU Meager brothers (Terry and Rick)? They were from Belleville.
Meagher
Oh.
As you were.
Before this goes any further off track, see the attached rosters from the varsity vs. freshmen game of Nov. 1970.
There is no Gary "Meagher". There is a Gary Meger. I haven't been able to find a freshman team roster listing hometowns, so I have no idea where he was from.
The "Future Recruits (not incoming)" topic has a Phorum Database Error and only 6 posts, and the "Incoming Recruits" topic never was solely about "incoming" recruits but suffered from acute thread drift. So I am reviving the latter.
The Nanaimo Clippers (remember them?), announced yesterday that Jack O'Brian, the youngest member of the team, has committed to Cornell (https://www.nanaimoclippers.com/rookie-2003-defenceman-jack-obrien-commits-to-cornell-university) for the 2022-2023 season.
Here are some excerpts from the announcement:
Quote from: Darren Naylor, Vice President and Head Coach of the ClippersJack is a throwback type defenceman whose first objective is to take care of his own end. He is extremely calm and rarely makes a poor decision. Jack is a natural leader and mature beyond his years. This is a first of what will be many accolades for Jack moving forward including a future high NHL draft pick.
and
Quote from: ROOKIE 2003 DEFENCEMAN JACK O'BRIEN COMMITS TO CORNELL UNIVERSITYAs a 16 year old, O'Brien is the youngest Clipper this season yet he has been a mainstay on a Clippers' defence core that currently has allowed the 2nd fewest goals against in the BCHL. He has taken on a defensive role and has shown incredible poise and maturity that one would expect from a 19-20 year-old veteran defenceman.
It appears Michael Suda has been out injured all year. Anybody know anything? Hopefully it's something with a prognosis of full recovery.
I believe it's Jack Lagerstrom who's been injured, not Suda
Quote from: scoop85I believe it's Jack Lagerstrom who's been injured, not Suda
That's right.
New recruit with the cool name of Sullivan Mack, a smallish (5'11" 180 lb) but speedy forward who's scoring at an almost 2 ppg clip at Kimball Union Academy. I can't seem to post Neutral Zone's tweet about the commitment, but NZ says Mack has moved from 3.25 stars to a "high" 3.75 star rating, and that he's a "High compete player w/a high ceiling."
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he'll be coming to Ithaca next season.
Quote from: scoop85New recruit with the cool name of Sullivan Mack, a smallish (5'11" 180 lb) but speedy forward who's scoring at an almost 2 ppg clip at Kimball Union Academy. I can't seem to post Neutral Zone's tweet about the commitment, but NZ says Mack has moved from 3.25 stars to a "high" 3.75 star rating, and that he's a "High compete player w/a high ceiling."
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he'll be coming to Ithaca next season.
Is his nickname SMack? If not, it should be.
By my stats we have never had an Alaskan-born player. Sullivan Mack is from Anchorage.
Quote from: scoop85Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he'll be coming to Ithaca next season.
We then would have 4 F / 2 D slated to replace 3 F / 1 D (Bauld, Malott, I don't wanna think about it, and Kaldis):
F Cobb (3/02)
D Lagerstrom (3/00)
F Mack (7/00)
F O'Leary (3/00)
F Penney (10/00)
D Rayhill (3/01)
Unless we're
really going to 18 F (+6) and 10 D (+4) that suggests to me that Lagerstrom is still hurt and/or Cobb will get a year of seasoning in the USHL.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he'll be coming to Ithaca next season.
We then would have 4 F / 2 D slated to replace 3 F / 1 D (Bauld, Malott, I don't wanna think about it, and Kaldis):
F Cobb (3/02)
D Lagerstrom (3/00)
F Mack (7/00)
F O'Leary (3/00)
F Penney (10/00)
D Rayhill (3/01)
Unless we're really going to 18 F (+6) and 10 D (+4) that suggests to me that Lagerstrom is still hurt and/or Cobb will get a year of seasoning in the USHL.
Yeah, I too think Cobb may well be going the USHL/BCHL route
Quote from: TrotskyBy my stats we have never had an Alaskan-born player. Sullivan Mack is from Anchorage.
Do you know how many states and Canadian provinces have produced Cornell players over the years? I know that we once went through this exercise for RPI, but I don't recall how many states there were. We have had players from all of the Canadian provinces, unless you count Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut, or regard Labrador being separate from Newfoundland.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyBy my stats we have never had an Alaskan-born player. Sullivan Mack is from Anchorage.
Do you know how many states and Canadian provinces have produced Cornell players over the years? I know that we once went through this exercise for RPI, but I don't recall how many states there were. We have had players from all of the Canadian provinces, unless you count Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut, or regard Labrador being separate from Newfoundland.
Yes, I can run that tonight. I have queries for states, provinces, and countries all set up but I can only access the back end DB from home.
https://twitter.com/Tim_Rego98/status/1222552179237703681
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/Tim_Rego98/status/1222552179237703681
Several sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
Quote from: rediceSeveral sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
Rego was a point-per-game defenseman on the top team in the AJHL's West Division after playing prep school hockey in Massachusetts. I wonder if this season drew extra recruiting attention...
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: rediceSeveral sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
Rego was a point-per-game defenseman on the top team in the AJHL's West Division after playing prep school hockey in Massachusetts. I wonder if this season drew extra recruiting attention...
Looks like we're getting another Kaldis/Malinsky type D-man, which will be nice with Yanni graduating.
I have a '99 son and a '01 who both played with Tim at prep school and U18 club. Great kid, great family, great wheels and competitive drive. Awesome news!
Rego is another 2000 hence probably another for Fall 2020.
19-33-52 in 46 GP for Brooks; leading D scorer on his team by a huge margin. 2nd among D scoring in the entire league. The #1 guy (Michael Benning) is a Denver commit.
We seem to be getting high quality as well as quantity. And that is how it's done.
Tim is very quick and he gets very involved in the offense. Will be fun to watch with a Cornell sweater on.
Neutral Zone says Rego is a "polished skater and two-way D-man. Soft hands and makes accurate passes. Keeps his gaps tight, can run a PP, upside as a top-4 guy at Cornell. Versatile and athletic."
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyBy my stats we have never had an Alaskan-born player. Sullivan Mack is from Anchorage.
Do you know how many states and Canadian provinces have produced Cornell players over the years? I know that we once went through this exercise for RPI, but I don't recall how many states there were. We have had players from all of the Canadian provinces, unless you count Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut, or regard Labrador being separate from Newfoundland.
States:
CA
CO
CT
DE
DC
FL
IL
MD
MA
MI
MN
MO
NH
NJ
NY
NC
ND
OH
OR
PA
RI
TX
UT
WI
Provinces:
AB
BC
MB
NB
NF
NW
NS
ON
PQ
SA
Interesting list, Trotsky. Who was from the Northwest Territories?
Not that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
Quote from: ursusminorInteresting list, Trotsky. Who was from the Northwest Territories?
Not that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
Joe Dragon.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: ursusminorInteresting list, Trotsky. Who was from the Northwest Territories?
Not that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
Joe Dragon.
Yes, the stories that I remember hearing about Joe's home were: A: He lived 1000 miles north of Edmonton and B: He lived so far from campus that he couldn't go home for Christmas and get back before break ended. WOW!!
Quote from: ursusminorNot that it is important, but didn't Quebec change to QC?
Yes, it's officially QC, Others:
NW Territories is NT
Newfoundland is NL (Newfoundland and Labrador)
Saskatchewan is SK.
And I'm surprised that we've never had someone from PEI.
I keep PQ because I like it. Likewise, NDak will always be the Sioux and Colgate will always be the Red Raiders.
Anybody who doesn't like it is welcome to build their own site. :-)
Quote from: TrotskyI keep PQ because I like it. Likewise, NDak will always be the Sioux and Colgate will always be the Red Raiders.
Anybody who doesn't like it is welcome to build their own site. :-)
And Lehigh will always be the Engineers.
So there!
I'm surprised we've never had a player from Vermont
Quote from: WederI'm surprised we've never had a player from Vermont
Depends on your definition of "player from" ...
Geoff Raynak, from Franklin, VT, was a backup goalie on the 92-93 team. Never played, but was definitely on the roster.
https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/1992-93
I remember him!
Looks like he is doing well.
https://osucascades.edu/people/geoffrey-raynak
Quote from: scoop85New recruit with the cool name of Sullivan Mack, a smallish (5'11" 180 lb) but speedy forward who's scoring at an almost 2 ppg clip at Kimball Union Academy. I can't seem to post Neutral Zone's tweet about the commitment, but NZ says Mack has moved from 3.25 stars to a "high" 3.75 star rating, and that he's a "High compete player w/a high ceiling."
Mack is already 19, so I would imagine he'll be coming to Ithaca next season.
Looking at the roster it appears he has a younger brother named Revelin.
From the NE Hockey Journal:
QuoteMack's commitment to the Big Red ends one of the most hotly contested recruiting battles of the prep season. The Anchorage, Alaska, native was being procured by several top programs, including Denver and Michigan. There was known Ivy interest with Cornell and Harvard.
Raynak will be added to the DB. I feel shame. IINM he played in a Red-White.
Quote from: goredI remember him!
Looks like he is doing well.
https://osucascades.edu/people/geoffrey-raynak
Me, too - he and/or (been too long!) his sister was on my floor freshman year. Really nice guy, and I still admire his dedication to stay with the team knowing he'd likely never play.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: goredI remember him!
Looks like he is doing well.
https://osucascades.edu/people/geoffrey-raynak
Me, too - he and/or (been too long!) his sister was on my floor freshman year. Really nice guy, and I still admire his dedication to stay with the team knowing he'd likely never play.
Was Raynak's sister on the women's team? I think I remember her more than him.
Geoff lives in Bend, now. Lucky bastard.
Not bad for a very small farm town with only about 1,400 people. Franklin is on the Canadian border and just east of St. Albans. Maybe there is something good in the (frozen) water since John Leclair is from St. Albans. I live in Vermont and work with dairy farmers all over the area. With a town that size, I am sure I know some people that know Geoff.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: goredI remember him!
Looks like he is doing well.
https://osucascades.edu/people/geoffrey-raynak
Me, too - he and/or (been too long!) his sister was on my floor freshman year. Really nice guy, and I still admire his dedication to stay with the team knowing he'd likely never play.
20 years later and it looks like getting Kanji ice time on senior night is an improvement to the policy
Quote from: ugarte20 years later and it looks like getting Kanji ice time on senior night is an improvement to the policy
Kanji was one of the incorrect answers to one of the scoreboard quiz questions last week. I'm not certain, but I think the question may have been who was the last player to wear the number 1 before it was retired.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: rediceSeveral sites listed him as a Holy Cross commit last spring/summer.... I guess he changed his mind... Our gain; HC's loss!
Rego was a point-per-game defenseman on the top team in the AJHL's West Division after playing prep school hockey in Massachusetts. I wonder if this season drew extra recruiting attention...
Wonder if someone whispered in Mallott's ear. https://ajhl.ca/media-centre/amp/article.html?rYear=2020&nID=16711
QuoteTHE OFFICIAL WEBSITE
OF THE ALBERTA JUNIOR HOCKEY LEAGUE
Tim Rego Commits to Cornell University
January 29th, 2020 @ 12:00 am
BROOKS, AB (January 29, 2020) - The Brooks Bandits of the Alberta Junior Hockey League (AJHL) are thrilled to announce that 2000-born defenceman Tim Rego has committed to Cornell University.
The Mansfield, Massachusetts native leads all Bandit defenceman in points with 52 (19 goals, 33 assists) in 46 games played. At 6'0" 180lb the blue liner is 2nd in the AJHL defenceman scoring race and leads all defenders with 19 goals.
Located in Ithaca, New York, the Cornell Big Red compete in the ECAC, under head coach Mike Schafer. Rego is the second Bandit in franchise history to commit to Cornell joining current Big Red captain, Jeff Malott.
Prior to joining the Bandits, Rego skated with Williston Northampton School where he was team captain and led all defensemen in scoring with 24 points (13 goals, 11 assists) in 27 games.
https://twitter.com/KylerKovich/status/1230944518049894400
Quote from: ursusminorhttps://twitter.com/KylerKovich/status/1230944518049894400
6'1", 187 lb forward from Nanaimo
DOB 2002
Current stats: 49 GMS, 17G 21A, 41 PIM.
The Nanaimo webpage has him as a 2021-2022 arrival.
Bantam doesn't mean shit but Kovich had a 67-72-139 season in 67 GP in 2017.
But for perspective, Gretzky had a 378-139-517 season in 85 GP.
From this review of the CJHL Top Prospects Game:
https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/2020-nhl-draft/recap-2020-cjhl-top-prospects-game/
QuoteLW Kyler Kovich
Nanaimo, BCHL | 6'0, 180 | 1/31/02 | NCAA: Undecided
Kovich easily was one of the more impressive forwards throughout the game. He was physical with an in-your-face style, but he also looked very smooth with the puck in transition while showing off soft hands. Kovich spent most of the match on Team West's top line with Danny Weight and Carter Savoie, but Kovich was far from a passenger. He's a very good skater who made well-timed reads that helped him get an extra step or two on puck-gazing opponents. Although he played alongside several dependable puck handlers, Kovich confidently carried the puck through the zone and made smart plays near the line. His vision, timing of pass delivery, and pass accuracy were impressive as well.
Don't leave us hanging! Who was it? Chabot?
Quote from: BMacDon't leave us hanging! Who was it? Chabot?
Troy Davenport.
Quote from: pfibigerFrom this review of the CJHL Top Prospects Game:
https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/2020-nhl-draft/recap-2020-cjhl-top-prospects-game/
QuoteLW Kyler Kovich
Nanaimo, BCHL | 6'0, 180 | 1/31/02 | NCAA: Undecided
Kovich easily was one of the more impressive forwards throughout the game. He was physical with an in-your-face style, but he also looked very smooth with the puck in transition while showing off soft hands. Kovich spent most of the match on Team West's top line with Danny Weight and Carter Savoie, but Kovich was far from a passenger. He's a very good skater who made well-timed reads that helped him get an extra step or two on puck-gazing opponents. Although he played alongside several dependable puck handlers, Kovich confidently carried the puck through the zone and made smart plays near the line. His vision, timing of pass delivery, and pass accuracy were impressive as well.
Based on the public info Kovich seems like the kind of recruit that will fit right in with our style of play and be an early contributor.
The last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
Quote from: BearLoverThe last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
The staff has done a terrific job the past few yers identifying talented players who fit well with the high tempo system the coaches have installed,
and who can get through admissions. While there's no guarantees of course, it's nice to be able to enjoy current success while keeping an eye to a future that continues to look bright.
Quote from: BearLoverThe last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
Huh! Sure!
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverThe last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
In any case, three observations:
[list=1]
- In the college game higher draft picks may be a liability because of the importance of upperclass players. Higher draft picks may be less used to being role players, which is what most underclass players are. And they are more likely to go pro earlier, depriving the team of senior and junior skills and leadership. Exhibit A: The two Boston Commonwealth Avenue teams in the first half of this season.
- Unlike basketball, where 1-2 superior talents often carry entire teams, hockey, with its frequent line changes, requires more balanced depth and the ability to play a certain style of play (aka "the system" ) so that as a season progresses (with injuries, illnesses, game situations, and such) players can be interchangeable. Therefore, players drafted in the fourth round or later may be more valuable to a team than higher picks. Exhibit B: Harvard during the Ryan Donato years.
- As an Ivy League school, Cornell has to recruit student athletes who really are students. This implies players who have athletic potential and are likely to mature into superior talents may be better recruits than the first-rounders who can't get in, or can't stay in, or can't handle the workload -- both academic and athletic. Exhibit C: Matt Stienburg is an example of such a high-potential player.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverThe last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
In any case, three observations:
[list=1]
- In the college game higher draft picks may be a liability because of the importance of upperclass players. Higher draft picks may be less used to being role players, which is what most underclass players are. And they are more likely to go pro earlier, depriving the team of senior and junior skills and leadership. Exhibit A: The two Boston Commonwealth Avenue teams in the first half of this season.
- Unlike basketball, where 1-2 superior talents often carry entire teams, hockey, with its frequent line changes, requires more balanced depth and the ability to play a certain style of play (aka "the system" ) so that as a season progresses (with injuries, illnesses, game situations, and such) players can be interchangeable. Therefore, players drafted in the fourth round or later may be more valuable to a team than higher picks. Exhibit B: Harvard during the Ryan Donato years.
- As an Ivy League school, Cornell has to recruit student athletes who really are students. This implies players who have athletic potential and are likely to mature into superior talents may be better recruits than the first-rounders who can't get in, or can't stay in, or can't handle the workload -- both academic and athletic. Exhibit C: Matt Stienburg is an example of such a high-potential player.
I was operating under the assumption that Donato was a great recruiter and a crappy coach
Quote from: nshapiroQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverThe last 4-5 recruits have looked pretty solid. Likely a product of our success the last four seasons.
It's hard to tell. I guess maybe if they went in the juniors draft we could measure it by their draft position, but we really do not know until they go in the NHL draft or they get here and we can actually see them.
I've never really known how to quantify commitments. There are systems similar to the 5 star football ratings but in hockey those seem to be in their infancy.
In any case, three observations:
[list=1]
- In the college game higher draft picks may be a liability because of the importance of upperclass players. Higher draft picks may be less used to being role players, which is what most underclass players are. And they are more likely to go pro earlier, depriving the team of senior and junior skills and leadership. Exhibit A: The two Boston Commonwealth Avenue teams in the first half of this season.
- Unlike basketball, where 1-2 superior talents often carry entire teams, hockey, with its frequent line changes, requires more balanced depth and the ability to play a certain style of play (aka "the system" ) so that as a season progresses (with injuries, illnesses, game situations, and such) players can be interchangeable. Therefore, players drafted in the fourth round or later may be more valuable to a team than higher picks. Exhibit B: Harvard during the Ryan Donato years.
- As an Ivy League school, Cornell has to recruit student athletes who really are students. This implies players who have athletic potential and are likely to mature into superior talents may be better recruits than the first-rounders who can't get in, or can't stay in, or can't handle the workload -- both academic and athletic. Exhibit C: Matt Stienburg is an example of such a high-potential player.
I was operating under the assumption that Donato was a great recruiter and a crappy coach
I'm not sure your statement and Swampy's items 1 & 2 are mutually exclusive. After all, it's a coach's decision who to recruit.
Quote from: nshapiroI was operating under the assumption that Donato was a great recruiter and a crappy coach
I am coming around to the idea that Donato 2020 is the new and improved coach that he wasn't when he began. (I think he earned his undergrad A's.)
Or not?
Quint Kessenich (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-new-no-1-ivy-climbing-and-moving-on-from-upsets/56028) has 4 Ivies in the top ten this week. We're #7, behind Yale (#1) & Princeton (#5), and ahead of Penn (#9).
Whew! A league that has 4/7 in the top ten ain't chopped liver. Quint noticed how much better we are this year on faceoffs. But our work is cut out for us in our league.
MEA CULPA: SOMEHOW I POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG FORUM! ::doh::
Quote from: SwampyQuint Kessenich (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-new-no-1-ivy-climbing-and-moving-on-from-upsets/56028) has 4 Ivies in the top ten this week. We're #7, behind Yale (#1) & Princeton (#5), and ahead of Penn (#9).
Whew! A league that has 4/7 in the top ten ain't chopped liver. Quint noticed how much better we are this year on faceoffs. But our work is cut out for us in our league.
Our hockey prospectives will be so encouraged by this success elsewhere in our athletic department that we'll get all the top recruits.
Sullivan Mack named Prep Player of the Year by Neutral Zone (https://www.neutralzone.net/prep-mens/2020/03/08/nz-prep-player-of-the-year-sullivan-mack/)
Nice to see that not only can he score, but he plays a 200 foot game. Should fit right in!
Quote from: scoop85Sullivan Mack named Prep Player of the Year by Neutral Zone (https://www.neutralzone.net/prep-mens/2020/03/08/nz-prep-player-of-the-year-sullivan-mack/)
Nice to see that not only can he score, but he plays a 200 foot game. Should fit right in!
I played around on the Neutral Zone webpage to find out about Mack's school, Kimball Academy. It seems they have an assistant coach named...Matt Underhill!
Quote from: scoop85Sullivan Mack named Prep Player of the Year by Neutral Zone (https://www.neutralzone.net/prep-mens/2020/03/08/nz-prep-player-of-the-year-sullivan-mack/)
Oh sweet Jesus, there's another Fusco coming to Bright.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Sullivan Mack named Prep Player of the Year by Neutral Zone (https://www.neutralzone.net/prep-mens/2020/03/08/nz-prep-player-of-the-year-sullivan-mack/)
Oh sweet Jesus, there's another Fusco coming to Bright.
Yeah, I saw that, too.
Makes it easier to know who to despise, tho.
https://twitter.com/ChicagoSteel/status/1241093622357004292
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Looks like a '21 commit; he'll be 21 years old that September.
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Looks like a '21 commit; he'll be 21 years old that September.
Is he viewed as a Galadja successor or a depth goalie.
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Ian Shane? Nothing gets past him.
Shane! Come back, Shane!
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Looks like a '21 commit; he'll be 21 years old that September.
Is he viewed as a Galadja successor or a depth goalie.
Given that he plays in the USHL, hard to imagine he won't at least compete for the job. I know our other goalie recruit, Joe Howe, was highly recruited (he chose Cornell over BC), so he might be the front runner.
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Looks like a '21 commit; he'll be 21 years old that September.
Is he viewed as a Galadja successor or a depth goalie.
Given that he plays in the USHL, hard to imagine he won't at least compete for the job. I know our other goalie recruit, Joe Howe, was highly recruited (he chose Cornell over BC), so he might be the front runner.
IIRC Ben Scrivens was supposed to stand in the shadows.
Chicago Steel interview (https://www.chicagosteelhockeyteam.com/news_article/show/1095954) with Ian Shane, including one video clip.
The team stat sheet (https://www.chicagosteelhockeyteam.com/view#/player-stats/11/71) shows him with two assists for the year. He got less than half the starts, splitting time with a Swede who is commited to Maine. goalie stats (https://www.chicagosteelhockeyteam.com/view#/player-stats/11/71?playertype=goalie&qualified=qualified&rookie=no&sort=points&statstype=standard&page=1&league=1)
They play a few miles from our home, so I look forward to checking him out next year.
The Sun's article on the incoming recruits (https://cornellsun.com/2020/04/03/an-early-look-at-mens-hockeys-incoming-freshman-class/).
I wasn't sure if Dan McIntyre would be part of this class, but his BCHL profile page shows him as a 21-22 recruit. He'll be a 21-year-old freshman, which while isn't our recent norm but isn't unprecedented.
Although this class is small (as it should be given the number of returnees), the guys coming in look solid. I especially expect Rego to step in and contribute on the blue line, as he looks to be in the Kaldis-Malinski mold. My sense is Penney is may be similar to guys like Bauld and Betts, and will be strong on the PK. Schaefer said during the town hall that O'Leary is similar to Donaldson. Not sure he's quite the scorer as Cam, but we'll see how that plays out.
I thought we might get 5, with Barron all but certainly leaving and Song apparently not making the transition to D-1.
This is a Sun article, not the official announcement. I wouldn't be surprised to see another player especially if Barron does leave.
Looking quickly at the Central Scouting final rankings, the only future Cornellian I spotted was Hank Kempf, defenseman, entering in 2021. He's ranked # 204 of North American skaters and as I posted awhile back, he's a cousin (1st cousin once removed) of Stephen Baby.
And speaking of relatives, Justin Barron (Morgan's brother) is ranked #16 of North American skaters. He's already played 3 years in the QMJHL. The reason he didn't follow his brother's path was he was just too good too soon, and was able to play for his hometown Halifax Mooseheads in the Q in the season in which he turned 16. Justin is a defenseman.
Cornell recruit Kyler Kovich is also ranked, # 168
Quote from: TrotskyI thought we might get 5, with Barron all but certainly leaving and Song apparently not making the transition to D-1.
Long-time lurker. Not sure where to put this, but in the off-season it seems to have been overlooked, and a good a place as any. Dman Muzyka who never played a game has gone back to juniors:
https://twitter.com/ep_transfers/status/1270864631821676545
Thanks. That is interesting news. I believe he did play in the exhibition.
Quote from: TrotskyThanks. That is interesting news. I believe he did play in the exhibition.
Probably was told he likely wasn't going to get much if any PT. Good luck to him.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyThanks. That is interesting news. I believe he did play in the exhibition.
Probably was told he likely wasn't going to get much if any PT. Good luck to him.
Not to mention it's not even certain there'll be a season.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyThanks. That is interesting news. I believe he did play in the exhibition.
Probably was told he likely wasn't going to get much if any PT. Good luck to him.
Not to mention it's not even certain there'll be a season.
There will be a season. IQs didn't suddenly shoot up.
the real question is will the season start in the fall or push off until after the xmas break. the vaccine news and the likely early start early finish to the semester that many schools are using could mean hockey tries a delayed start as well.
man i don't even see how you play a contact game like hockey but the thought of playing in an empty lynah... damn. then again the team has played pretty well in bright lately so they're used to those conditions.
Quote from: ugarteman i don't even see how you play a contact game like hockey but the thought of playing in an empty lynah... damn. then again the team has played pretty well in bright Meehan Auditorium lately so they're used to those conditions.
FYP
With it looking increasingly likely that there could be no hockey season at all in 20-21, I'm wondering if any of the recruits currently scheduled to enroll as freshmen in the fall will either ask to delay a year/be allowed or find the team asking them to do so.
Thoughts?
I'm guessing there will be a blanket ruling that covers them all. At the very least there won't be any eligibility lost.
We're in stasis. There's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.
the reality is that after you removed the OC games for the ECAC that only moves about 4 games into the next yr and that is easy handle. Still alot of time for good things to happen that doesnt require a vaccine to solve.
Quote from: TrotskyI'm guessing there will be a blanket ruling that covers them all. At the very least there won't be any eligibility lost.
We're in stasis. There's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.
While I mostly agree here, I don't think it would be unreasonable for a recruit to conclude that a Michigan or a BU has a decent chance to be playing before an Ivy League school - just based on the attitudes we've seen. I'm not betting on that happening - just saying some could see it as a possibility and it would be hard to argue. Certainly Cornell will not be playing BEFORE those types of teams.
hockey is only a group of 60 teams.. i dont think Mich is playing a full OC schedule while cornell waiting until Jan is gonna really cause a kid a lot of concern.. Good chance the Atlantic does the same as the ECAC/Ivy in this that removes much of the OC schedule teams.
Quote from: TrotskyThere's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.
Except for Morgan Barron.... I'm concerned that, if the Rangers are playing and Cornell is not (even if it's not until 1/1/2021), he'll sign with the Rangers. I don't envision him choosing him NOT playing over playing during the fall months.
One advantage Cornell hockey may have over other hockey playing Ivies is that Cornell has invited all students back to campus in the fall. Even though games won't be played in the fall, Cornell hockey players will be able to train & practice. The other hockey Ivies invited only some of their students back. Harvard invited only 40% of their students back to campus. Question whether Harvard wants only frosh & athletes on campus in the fall.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: TrotskyThere's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.
Except for Morgan Barron.... I'm concerned that, if the Rangers are playing and Cornell is not
If the Rangers play Morgan leaves. This is true of every other college player who has the opportunity to jump.
I'm going on the assumption (more of a hope) that nobody's going to play. That when the pro leagues make noises about playing that's just bullshit to generate noise, sell merch, put pressure on yokel pols to squeeze out a little more corporate welfare juice. OH NOES WE WERE SET TO PLAY BUT YOU'RE STOPPING US NOW SUBSIDIZE US; USA!!!1!!; FREEDUMB!!!11!
The zeroth rule is all institutions -- colleges, leagues, teams, political entities, media, advertisers -- will be driven by cynical, self-serving, short-sighted thinking bordering on sociopathy. "It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners."
Quote from: rediceQuote from: TrotskyThere's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.
Except for Morgan Barron.... I'm concerned that, if the Rangers are playing and Cornell is not (even if it's not until 1/1/2021), he'll sign with the Rangers. I don't envision him choosing him NOT playing over playing during the fall months.
Obv I wasn't clear about why i thought recruits might defer. Let's assume that the full season is cancelled - so obviously noone uses up any eligibility. However, if you enroll this fall and want to play for four years you'd need to be at Cornell for 5 years- which means paying for the extra year and possibly needing to do a master's degree.
If I'm not getting a ton of financial aid and am an incoming frosh, then why would I enroll now?
And if i'm going to be a Senior this year, why would I enroll this fall rather than take a leave of absence assuming I want to play one last season in 21-22?
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That's a function of two variables: x -- how much of your college expenses does sports pay for, and y -- how much of the reason you're at school is sports?
Your likelihood to defer / take a year off varies inversely with x and y. So, Johnny Jock at North Dumbfuck State is going to drink at home, rather than at his frat, for a year, while Arthur Auteur at St. Precious Arts Conservatory is going to go for the year, since sports was just a way to fool the school into taking him.
Quote from: TrotskyThat's a function of two variables: x -- how much of your college expenses does sports pay for, and y -- how much of the reason you're at school is sports?
Your likelihood to defer / take a year off varies inversely with x and y. So, Johnny Jock at North Dumbfuck State is going to drink at home, rather than at his frat, for a year, while Arthur Auteur at St. Precious Arts Conservatory is going to go for the year, since sports was just a way to fool the school into taking him.
That's all generally true- although you are discounting a host of other considerations. Pretty sure that the actual learning experience will be much better a year from now (assuming it will be an all in-person, on campus experience.) online instruction can't possibly replicate that experience. So the kid who is there to learn might very well defer for a year. (Not to mention the parents might refuse to pay $50k for what is essentially the academic equivalent of netflix- Tragically overpriced streaming.
BTW, I could care less about those imaginary schools. I asked the question because I was thinking of our Men's hockey team.
- I don't think most of our guys are in a rush to finish school asap, they almost all put in two years of juniors already at this point.
- Wonder if where "home" is for these guys. If you're Canadian, you likely in a far safer area back home covid-wise, and might well be able to get in a lot more ice time over the year back home than in Ithaca. The ability to get across the border (or not) may make this a bit messy too, right?
-if you're going to be a junior or senior this fall, and have possibilities of getting to the next level but need to have a breakout year or simply another year to maintain your level and show it wasn't a fluke, aren't you cutting things real slim to lose a year of play?
-if you're going to be a bottom third of the roster guy then its probably not enough of a consideration.
And what happens to the recruiting pipeline if somewhere between some and all of the current team members get another year of eligibility by a cancelled season? What about the guys who are supposed to be enrolling in September- if this was wrestling they'd be told to move to Ithaca right away but not enroll in classes until January.
So many questions
Our current government's plan for dealing with coronavirus - doing nothing - needs time to work. In another year or two the number of deaths from and the spread of coronavirus should stabilize and allow plans to be made for sporting events.
Article on Jimmy Rayhill's postponing coming to campus and returning to Alberni for another season:
https://www.uticaod.com/sports/20200814/new-hartfordrsquos-rayhill-looks-to-build-on-game-in-juniors
Are Junior A & B going to play in 20-21?
Quote from: TrotskyAre Junior A & B going to play in 20-21?
-From the linked article that you didn't bother to read...;)
Quote from: Rayhill, the 19-year-old New Hartford native and Cornell University commit, is set to play a second season of junior "A" hockey with the Alberni Valley Bulldogs of the British Columbia Hockey League (BCHL).
Rayhill, a defenseman, is planning to return to the team located on Vancouver Island in about two-and-half weeks for the Bulldogs' season, which is tentatively scheduled to begin in December due to concerns with the COVID-19 pandemic. There's one hurdle: The border between the United States and Canada remains closed for non-essential travel.
Interesting side note in that quote: at the moment he can't cross the border to even get up to BC
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: TrotskyAre Junior A & B going to play in 20-21?
-From the linked article that you didn't bother to read...;)
Or I read it, it didn't tell me squat, and I asked if anybody knew anything more.
https://twitter.com/lukedevlin_/status/1296215754686304256
Luke Devlin
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Luke Devlin
Interesting side note: Devlin's father Matt is the play-by-play guy for the Toronto Raptors, and he has called Wrestling at the Olympics for NBC, which will excite Ugarte.
6' 3" at 16.
I'm pretty sure he's our first player from TN.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/535869/luke-devlin
Quote from: Trotsky6' 3" at 16.
I'm pretty sure he's our first player from TN.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/535869/luke-devlin
He was born in TN when his father was calling the Grizzlies games, and was young when the family moved to Toronto.
Born in 2004. Oooooooof
Quote from: Trotsky6' 3" at 16.
I'm pretty sure he's our first player from TN.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/535869/luke-devlin
was his profile photo was taken when he was 10? reminds me of a story my brother told me during his semester abroad. a fellow student in the program from argentina had an apparently valid passport near the end of it's life but the photo was from when he was like 9 and during a border crossing he was refused entry.
This pandemic must be a nightmare for recruiters of scholastic athletes. I suspect it may level the playing field" [ice?] for the next few years?
Quote from: osorojoThis pandemic must be a nightmare for recruiters of scholastic athletes. I suspect it may level the playing field" [ice?] for the next few years?
It might work the other way. Insofar as there's an opportunity cost for committing to a college, in an uncertain environment kids (well, parents) may only that for elite programs.
So... good thing we are one.
I was thinking more along the lines of identifying talented recruits. If kids don't get to play competitive hockey for the next couple of years due to the pandemic it's going to badly handicap the ability of recruiters to identify [and recruit] talented college hockey prospects.
they will really need to trust people who can see these kids play and feed them information.. it also helps cornell because we dont have near the travel budget of some other programs.
Quote from: osorojoI was thinking more along the lines of identifying talented recruits. If kids don't get to play competitive hockey for the next couple of years due to the pandemic it's going to badly handicap the ability of recruiters to identify [and recruit] talented college hockey prospects.
Hadn't thought of that. Very interesting, thanks.
We'll also get a tidal wave as kids stack up as seasons are canceled. I don't expect more than one full season lost, but who knows?