Looking ahead to the 2019 Cornell lacrosse season already. We have a full-time, non-interim coach but that didn't happen until last week. We'll have to see how the incoming class stacks up. Also how Yale's incoming class stacks up. Harvard and Penn should also be good; can Princeton recover from a couple off years?
Cornell had nine players on the All-Ivy teams (red type below) and six return. The biggest losses are D Jake Pulver and G Christian Knight. Freshman Caelahn Bullen started four games in goal and had a record of 5-0. One of the incoming goalie recruits is Chase Ierlan, the brother of Albany FOGO TD Ierlan (about half the time, you see it spelled Lerlan from somebody who must have transcribed quickly from handwritten notes).
This is the Inside Lacrosse recruiting commits for Cornell. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/commits/cornell/18 Cornell's class is rated a B-minus but then IL gave all four championship weekend teams a B-minus (Monday's finalists) or B (Saturday's losers). The Inside Lacrosse Top 25 recruits https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting?year=2018&position=all has the best player (A Joey Epstein) going to Hopkins, one to Yale (#6 A Matt Brandau), two to Harvard, one to Penn, and none to Cornell or Princeton.
What Cornell needs most is an undetectable human growth hormone for Jeff Teat, a weight-room program, a change in faceguarding rules, a Rob Pannell-incoming-recruit type who could make it impossible to isolate Teat, or tactics to #FreeJeff. That and a FOGO who against the best we face (Ierlan?) still wins a third of the draws. But first there's football and hockey.
FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY
*Ben Reeves, Yale (Sr., A – Macedon, N.Y.)
*Michael Sowers, Princeton (So., A – Dresher, Pa.)
*Jeff Teat, Cornell (So., A – Brampton, Ont.)
*Jack Tigh, Yale (Jr., M – Garden City, N.Y.)
Austin Sims, Princeton (Sr., M – Fairfield, Conn.)
Jordan Dowiak, Cornell (Sr., M – Long Valley, N.J)
*Jake Pulver, Cornell (Sr., D – Manlius, N.Y.)
*Chris Fake, Yale (Fr., D – Allentown, N.J.)
Mark Evanchick, Penn (So., D – Darien, Conn.)
*Connor Keating, Penn (Sr., LSM – Gladwyne, Pa.)
Tyler Warner, Yale (Sr., SSM – Freeport, N.Y.)
*Conor Mackie, Yale (Sr., FO – Glen Rock, N.J.)
Phil Goss, Brown (So., G – San Francisco, Calif.)
SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY^
Morgan Cheek, Harvard (Sr., A – Wellesley, Mass.)
Simon Mathias, Penn (Jr, A – Ridgefield, Conn.)
Jackson Morrill, Yale (So., A – Baltimore, Md.)
Jack Korzelius, Dartmouth (Sr., M – Purchase, N.Y.)
Jake McCulloch, Cornell (Jr., M – Stony Brook, N.Y.)
Joe Lang, Harvard (Sr., M – Mill Valley, Calif.)
George Baughan, Princeton (Fr., D – Wyndmoor, Pa.)
Chris Keating, Yale (Sr., D – Windham, N.H.)
JJ Ntshaykolo, Brown (Sr., D – San Francisco, Calif.)
Austin Meacham, Dartmouth (Jr., D – West Harrison, N.Y.)
Robert Mooney, Yale (Jr., LSM – Princeton, N.J.)
Jason Alessi, Yale (Sr., SSM – Bloomfield Hills, Mich.)
Ted Otten, Brown (Sr., FO – Wilton, Conn.)
Robert Shaw, Harvard (Sr., G – Canton, Mass.)
HONORABLE MENTION ALL-IVY
Jackson Newsome, Brown (Jr., A – Arlington, Va.)
Kevin McGeary, Penn (Sr., A – Newtown Square, Pa.)
Michael Panepinto, Brown (Jr., M – Needham, Mass.)
Tyler Dunn, Penn (Jr., Manhasset, N.Y.)
Joe Sessa, Yale (Jr., M – Slate Hill, N.Y.)
John Daniggelis, Yale (Jr., M – Saint James, N.Y.)
Fleet Wallace, Cornell (Jr., D – Richmond, Va.)
Joe Kearney, Harvard (Sr., D – Duxbury, Mass.)
Jerry O'Connor, Yale (Sr., D – North Palm Beach, Fla.)
Andrew Song, Princeton (Fr., LSM – Canton, Mass.)
Brandon Salvatore, Cornell (So., LSM – New Canaan, Conn.)
Ryan Bray, Cornell (Jr., SSM – Shoreham, N.Y.)
Paul Rasimowicz, Cornell (So., FO – Somerset, N.J.)
Tyler Blaisdell, Princeton (Sr., G – Hanover, Mass.)
Christian Knight, Cornell (Sr., G – Baltimore, Md.)
*unanimous selection
Note the NCAA tournament "Most Outstanding Player" (the redundancy makes me gag) went to Yale's Matt Gaudet, who doesn't show up on the All-Ivy list.
We should also wish that women's lacrosse builds to the competitiveness of women's hockey. Cornell was 7-8 this year.
Is there even the framework of a 2019 schedule?
Albany again (good)? Bucknell or Lehigh? A Virginia or other southern name team? A Big Tenner? I miss playing Army because Michie Stadium is so nice (less so when there's still snow on the sidelines) but we need strong teams to help our SOS.
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1001486672675135489
Incoming recruit John Lombardi (attack) from Rochester (Irondequoit) and Salisbury (CT). 5-foot-8, 180. Nice clip of an athletic goal, and Twitter discussion on how lax is for wimps.
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While watching last night's high school "championship" game I looked for a Hill Academy roster and came across this SI article on Hill from May 2016. Two items struck me from the article:
1. A quote from Casey Vock: "Everyone believes he [Jeff Teat] can elevate Cornell to where they would be a championship contender today if they had him." Prescient.
2. A Hill middie on Teat being shut off while playing at Hill: "When you try to lock off one player and remove that slide, it gives so much more time to develop offense and room to shoot. That is why we were able to put so many in on them [Culver] so fast."
I'm afraid that developing a five-on-five game that is at least as effective as having Teat not shut off is going to be the only effective way to deter or defeat the shut-off. Teat, as Carcaterra said during the ILT championship game, let's the game come to him. He is uncanny at assessing the situation on the field to decide when to attack and when not to. He'll touch the ball two or three or four times on a possession before making a move. Trying to force the ball into his stick will take away that capability and otherwise disrupt the offense.
This is going to be a very difficult thing for the coaching staff to figure out given the way Teat plays the game as opposed to a Pannell or a Reeves. It will likely require a shuffling of offensive personnel when Teat is shut off, getting a feeder like Donville on the field and someone who can beat his man from X, draw slides, and be able to feed the player left open to take advantage of the additional open space. I hope Milliman and staff can do it or it could be two frustrating seasons.
SI article is here for those who didn't see it at the time:
https://www.si.com/edge/2016/05/04/the-hill-academy-lacrosse-canada-high-school-brodie-merrill
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWhile watching last night's high school "championship" game I looked for a Hill Academy roster and came across this SI article on Hill from May 2016. Two items struck me from the article:
1. A quote from Casey Vock: "Everyone believes he [Jeff Teat] can elevate Cornell to where they would be a championship contender today if they had him." Prescient.
2. A Hill middie on Teat being shut off while playing at Hill: "When you try to lock off one player and remove that slide, it gives so much more time to develop offense and room to shoot. That is why we were able to put so many in on them [Culver] so fast."
I'm afraid that developing a five-on-five game that is at least as effective as having Teat not shut off is going to be the only effective way to deter or defeat the shut-off. Teat, as Carcaterra said during the ILT championship game, let's the game come to him. He is uncanny at assessing the situation on the field to decide when to attack and when not to. He'll touch the ball two or three or four times on a possession before making a move. Trying to force the ball into his stick will take away that capability and otherwise disrupt the offense.
This is going to be a very difficult thing for the coaching staff to figure out given the way Teat plays the game as opposed to a Pannell or a Reeves. It will likely require a shuffling of offensive personnel when Teat is shut off, getting a feeder like Donville on the field and someone who can beat his man from X, draw slides, and be able to feed the player left open to take advantage of the additional open space. I hope Milliman and staff can do it or it could be two frustrating seasons.
SI article is here for those who didn't see it at the time:
https://www.si.com/edge/2016/05/04/the-hill-academy-lacrosse-canada-high-school-brodie-merrill
Why not set up double screens across the middle as part of the flow of the offense? Or, if Teat's man can't slide, that would seem to set up enormous opportunities when Teat screens on or off ball. Placing him near the midline does not, in my unlettered opinion, seem the best option.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioWhile watching last night's high school "championship" game I looked for a Hill Academy roster and came across this SI article on Hill from May 2016. Two items struck me from the article:
1. A quote from Casey Vock: "Everyone believes he [Jeff Teat] can elevate Cornell to where they would be a championship contender today if they had him." Prescient.
2. A Hill middie on Teat being shut off while playing at Hill: "When you try to lock off one player and remove that slide, it gives so much more time to develop offense and room to shoot. That is why we were able to put so many in on them [Culver] so fast."
I'm afraid that developing a five-on-five game that is at least as effective as having Teat not shut off is going to be the only effective way to deter or defeat the shut-off. Teat, as Carcaterra said during the ILT championship game, let's the game come to him. He is uncanny at assessing the situation on the field to decide when to attack and when not to. He'll touch the ball two or three or four times on a possession before making a move. Trying to force the ball into his stick will take away that capability and otherwise disrupt the offense.
This is going to be a very difficult thing for the coaching staff to figure out given the way Teat plays the game as opposed to a Pannell or a Reeves. It will likely require a shuffling of offensive personnel when Teat is shut off, getting a feeder like Donville on the field and someone who can beat his man from X, draw slides, and be able to feed the player left open to take advantage of the additional open space. I hope Milliman and staff can do it or it could be two frustrating seasons.
SI article is here for those who didn't see it at the time:
https://www.si.com/edge/2016/05/04/the-hill-academy-lacrosse-canada-high-school-brodie-merrill
Why not set up double screens across the middle as part of the flow of the offense? Or, if Teat's man can't slide, that would seem to set up enormous opportunities when Teat screens on or off ball. Placing him near the midline does not, in my unlettered opinion, seem the best option.
If you're talking about having Teat set screens, there was a video breakdown of his game that captured some of those attempts (along with a bunch of other illustrative plays) from the Yale game in the ILT. To say Teat isn't very good at setting screens would be putting it charitably. I don't know that much about lacrosse but it was painfully obvious that the screens he was setting were all but useless. They didn't free the man and didn't force a slide - he might as well have been a pylon in a defensive footwork drill.
If you're talking about having others set screens to force the face guard to switch off that might work, but I don't know enough about the game to have an opinion on its potential effectiveness. I will say, from the player quotes I've been seeing the 5 on 5 strategy sounds pretty effective. It seems crappy, and it's going to be frustrating to watch if your expectation is that Teat will be dishing out 5 assists a game, but you do what you need to in order to win.
99 points as a sophomore - does that turn out to be the high water mark for #51?
There is a chance we've figured out, here on the forum, how to #FreeJeff. But I'm also thinking that NLI Milliman and his cadre have been thinking on that as well and the fact that we lost to Maryland shows they didn't figure it out, either. Tey have some time to think on it before next February.
My solution is if Joey Epstein, attackman from Landon, MD, and the country's top recruit, decommits from Hopkins for Cornell, they can't cover both Epstein and Teat. Maybe he hasn't seen what the softer parts of Baltimore are really like. I drove by the Pimlico track at midnight earlier in the month and I won't do it again.
Is there a chance that Teat's career is over, if the team can't figure out how to counter the defense on him? I don't mean over as in he quits playing lacrosse, I mean over as in being considered a top player.
It might be time to take a deep breath and trust that another year of development will be beneficial to all. Even with the shut off strategy dropping our offensive production the last quarter of the season, the team as a whole averaged 2 goals per game more than the 2017 squad with largely the same personnel. The only loss next year on the offensive end is Dowiak. Barring injury, we will have a top 5 offense next year. The 2018 team came into the year wanting to prove they belonged in the national conversation. The expectations and aspirations of the 2019 team will be higher than that.
syracuse shut him off too and we did just fine. win some faceoffs.
Quote from: upprdecksyracuse shut him off too and we did just fine. win some faceoffs.
I'm greedy, though. I want to see Cornell win AND Teat get a lot of assists, simply because he's fun to watch when he's allowed to play. I fear, though, that against good teams, he'll be trapped by the lockoff and won't be able to contribute.
Quote from: mike1960Or, if Teat's man can't slide, that would seem to set up enormous opportunities when Teat screens on or off ball.
This seems to be what Yale did when other teams tried to shut off Matt Gaudett, although perhaps comparing him to Clarke Petterson rather than Jeff Teat is more apropos. Then again, Gaudett is 6'1" and 220, so he probably creates a better big-body screen and certainly is harder to move out of the way. (Yes, I know doing so is illegal, but it still happens.)
With both Lombardi and Coyle coming in next fall, I could see having them both on the field to counter SOT. Have one play behind at the X and one at midfield, along with some creative picks, inverts, and Petterson, Fletcher, and Doneville, we could have enough feeders and dodgers covered by shorties to make 6 v (5 + 1 SOT) a very successful strategy. Of course, this will depend on how quickly they adjust to the college game.
But size still matters. Coyle is 5'7" and 150, while Lombardi is 5'8" 180. A wonderful thing about lacrosse as a sport is that smaller, athletic players like these can absolutely be top-echelon, but for certain circumstances having a bigger player is an asset (e.g., Max Seibald @ 6'1" 215). Don't quote me on this, but I believe Yale on average had the biggest team in college lacrosse this year.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: upprdecksyracuse shut him off too and we did just fine. win some faceoffs.
I'm greedy, though. I want to see Cornell win AND Teat get a lot of assists, simply because he's fun to watch when he's allowed to play. I fear, though, that against good teams, he'll be trapped by the lockoff and won't be able to contribute.
Yes, that's a big part of the enjoyment of watching this Cornell team. I fear that he'll be locked off by every team, good or not-so-good.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioYes, that's a big part of the enjoyment of watching this Cornell team. I fear that he'll be locked off by every team, good or not-so-good.
I fear that, too...but I'm hoping that part of that fear is irrational and based on my limited lacrosse IQ. There must be SOMETHING Cornell can do about this. There's no way that the lockoff just automatically takes the best player out of the game. Otherwise every single big attackman would be locked off and no player would ever score more than, say, 70 points in a season and we know that doesn't happen.
Continued from the Cornell Lacrosse 2018 thread:
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardMaybe Mike Schafer could talk to Milliman about making this a long-term career.
Given how many lacrosse players have been popping up who also play hockey (or is it hockey players who also play lacrosse?), they may have much more to talk about.
Had Matt Moulson picked up his crosse for the 2006 lacrosse season, at least in our dreams, we would have gone to the NCAA title game. We lost three games by four goals including a 10-9 first-round upset by UMass.
Congratulations to incoming GK, and Under Armour lacrosse AA, Chayse Ierlan on helping Victor lacrosse defend its fourth straight Section V championship (http://www.mpnnow.com/sports/20180531/boys-lacrosse-victor-wins-class-b-title-in-double-overtime) and qualify for the Regional round in what Victor hopes will be successful defense of its fourth straight Class B state championship. It would be Ierlan's fourth year as Victor's starting goal keeper in lacrosse and his fourth year leading Victor to the state championship.
Also, for 2017-18 this would follow his fourth year as Victor's starting goalie in hockey and having led Victor to an undefeated season and state championship in hockey this past winter. For his efforts Ierlan was also named All-Greater Rochester Hockey Player of the Year (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/agr/2018/04/12/agr-all-greater-rochester-hockey-team-section-v-chayse-ierlan-victor-2017-2018/453221002/).
When attending Cornell University next year, Ierlan (probably) hopes to bring his lacrosse save percentage, which is about 60%, up to match his hockey save percentage, which is over 95% ::woot::.
Ierlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Quote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean.
Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean.
Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Harry Orr? Does Bob Rule backing up Brian Cropper in 69-70 (but never playing) count?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean.
Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Harry Orr? Does Bob Rule backing up Brian Cropper in 69-70 (but never playing) count?
And Glenn Mueller played basketball and lacrosse in 1971 and I believe 1972.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean. Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Is joke: What could he offer a school in the way of a fall sport if he plays winter and spring sports, too. Knowing that's only here for lax.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean.
Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Harry Orr? Does Bob Rule backing up Brian Cropper in 69-70 (but never playing) count?
Maybe you were tongue in cheek, but sure it counts, he did everything else the team did. For a competitor it's hard to practice every day and never play. It takes a certain mind-set.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean.
Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Harry Orr? Does Bob Rule backing up Brian Cropper in 69-70 (but never playing) count?
Maybe you were tongue in cheek, but sure it counts, he did everything else the team did. For a competitor it's hard to practice every day and never play. It takes a certain mind-set.
I think it would be really cool to have someone like Ierlan play GK for both hockey & lacrosse. And now that I understand Bill's joke, maybe fall soccer too.
But starting lacrosse season in February screws it all up. Maybe there's still a way to reschedule things.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean.
Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Harry Orr? Does Bob Rule backing up Brian Cropper in 69-70 (but never playing) count?
Maybe you were tongue in cheek, but sure it counts, he did everything else the team did. For a competitor it's hard to practice every day and never play. It takes a certain mind-set.
John Irving agreed in this memoir (https://books.google.com/books?id=722DAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT48&lpg=PT48&dq=john+irving+on+leaving+pitt&source=bl&ots=6eJA4iKAIX&sig=Y7fJzLNwUGJn874VUc1nIiTo6oM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp64ev2LXbAhUJ6YMKHSYZBNUQ6AEwC3oECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20irving%20on%20leaving%20pitt&f=false)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardIerlan has nothing to offer us for fall semester?
Not sure what you mean.
Who was the last Cornell athlete to play both hockey and lacrosse?
Harry Orr? Does Bob Rule backing up Brian Cropper in 69-70 (but never playing) count?
Rule did play. Started the 3rd period in a game at Princeton late in the season in which we had a big lead, but got pulled after giving up 3 goals.
This would certainly address the FOGO problem. (https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/6/6/17426994/td-ierlan-albany-great-danes-transfer-cornell-big-red-syracuse-orange-ncaa-college-lacrosse-face-off)
Quote from: collegecrosse.comAlbany Great Danes sophomore face-off specialist TD Ierlan is looking to transfer out to another school, multiple sources have told College Crosse. WNY Lax also reported the probable transfer.
Marisa Ingemi has heard from multiple sources Ierlan will likely attend Cornell next year.
Ierlan's brother, Chayse, will attend Cornell in the fall as an incoming goalie. Last year, the Big Red relied on sophomore Paul Rasimowicz, who went 51.8% on his draws last year.
TD Ierlan won 79% of his draws last year. The idea of his attending Cornell is almost too good to be true. But even if it is true, doesn't he have to sit out for a year after transferring?
Quote from: djk26This would certainly address the FOGO problem. (https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/6/6/17426994/td-ierlan-albany-great-danes-transfer-cornell-big-red-syracuse-orange-ncaa-college-lacrosse-face-off)
Quote from: collegecrosse.comAlbany Great Danes sophomore face-off specialist TD Ierlan is looking to transfer out to another school, multiple sources have told College Crosse. WNY Lax also reported the probable transfer.
Marisa Ingemi has heard from multiple sources Ierlan will likely attend Cornell next year.
Ierlan's brother, Chayse, will attend Cornell in the fall as an incoming goalie. Last year, the Big Red relied on sophomore Paul Rasimowicz, who went 51.8% on his draws last year.
TD Ierlan won 79% of his draws last year. The idea of his attending Cornell is almost too good to be true. But even if it is true, doesn't he have to sit out for a year after transferring?
Not if Albany releases him.
Ierlan story (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/albany-s-td-ierlan-seeking-a-transfer/52491) in IL today.
QuoteFace-off specialist TD Ierlan, the Albany star who completed the greatest face-off season of all-time in 2018, has been given his release to seek a transfer, multiple sources confirmed.
A source said his release is currently conditional and excludes teams that are on the 2019 schedule. However, there is an appeal process that could result in him being released to everyone.
Releases do not 100% mean that a player will not return. There is still a chance he could be a Great Dane in 2019.
Coach Scott Marr would not comment when reached by text message.
Two schools most rumored to be a destination — Cornell and Syracuse — are on the 2019 schedule, so those coaches are not allowed to contact Ierlan. Ierlan's younger brother Chayse, an Under Armour All-American goalie, will attend Cornell this fall. Unconfirmed reports have other destinations not on the 2019 schedule in the mix.
Ierlan won 79.1% of face-offs in 2018, the greatest single season in NCAA lacrosse history. The Danes graduate star attackman Connor Fields and his linemate Justin Reh, midfielder Kyle McClancy, longstick Troy Reh and others.
Drop 'em from the schedule!
Quote from: Al DeFlorioDrop 'em from the schedule!
I had the same thought, although I suppose you would prefer not to cause any ill will.
How long do I get to enjoy this possibility until it's announced he's going to Syracuse, driving me to claw my eyes out of their sockets?
Quote from: JasonN95How long do I get to enjoy this possibility until it's announced he's going to Syracuse, driving me to claw my eyes out of their sockets?
Jason, this made me both laugh and gag...yikes.
The other Ierlan (Cornell-bound goalie Chayse) scores first goal in Victor's semifinal win (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/06/06/victor-blue-devils-new-york-state-boys-lacrosse-ranked-no-1-defeats-east-syracuse-minoa/671184002/) in NYS lax tournament.
Quote from: George64The other Ierlan (Cornell-bound goalie Chayse) scores first goal in Victor's semifinal win (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/06/06/victor-blue-devils-new-york-state-boys-lacrosse-ranked-no-1-defeats-east-syracuse-minoa/671184002/) in NYS lax tournament.
Quote from: www.democratandchronicle.comThis game was so one-sided that Ierlan — yes, the goalie — outscored the entire ES-M team in the first quarter. During a clear less than 30 seconds into the opening period, Ierlan ran straight down the middle of the field, over the center line, and when no one came to cut him off, he just kept going and ultimately fired a bounce shot past Spartans goalie Owen Anzalone.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioDrop 'em from the schedule!
Ierlan was granted a full release by UAlbany.
Quote from: pfibigerQuote from: Al DeFlorioDrop 'em from the schedule!
Ierlan was granted a full release by UAlbany.
Not surprised. Now, wait and see.
Quote from: martyQuote from: George64The other Ierlan (Cornell-bound goalie Chayse) scores first goal in Victor's semifinal win (https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/06/06/victor-blue-devils-new-york-state-boys-lacrosse-ranked-no-1-defeats-east-syracuse-minoa/671184002/) in NYS lax tournament.
Quote from: www.democratandchronicle.comThis game was so one-sided that Ierlan — yes, the goalie — outscored the entire ES-M team in the first quarter. During a clear less than 30 seconds into the opening period, Ierlan ran straight down the middle of the field, over the center line, and when no one came to cut him off, he just kept going and ultimately fired a bounce shot past Spartans goalie Owen Anzalone.
Y'know if we have a backlog at GK and Chayse is not playing hockey as well as lacrosse, he might spell one of the offensive middies or perhaps be involved in a surprise midfield switch (ssom stays back to keep us onside & GK crosses over) to help break the SOT.
QuoteIerlan won 79.1% of face-offs in 2018, the greatest single season in NCAA lacrosse history.
Greatest season since what year? Memory can be tricky, but I think Bruce Pfann ('59) probably had a higher percent. There were games when he didn't lose a single faceoff. I remember such a game when Cornell beat Syracuse pretty handily, but that was shortly after Jim Brown graduated (he took some faceoffs). Those were great games on Lower Alumni Field, especially versus Syracuse and Princeton. The statistics on the Cornell lacrosse web site don't go back that far.
It seems like an overly obvious idea, so there must be reasons it would not work, but to get Teat freed up at least a few additional times why couldn't they have him swap with a midfielder on some transition plays (when a midfielder is not deep in the defensive zone) so Teat can come in the offensive zone running (the player faceguarding him is usually a defenseman who would have to catch up). This would be a little like his taking the ball on the on a restart.
Count me with those who feel kind of sick about Yale's winning, especially with the hockey win as well. It doesn't seem like the proper order of things.
Quote from: Chuck HendersonCount me with those who feel kind of sick about Yale's winning, especially with the hockey win as well. It doesn't seem like the proper order of things.
Once it came to championship Monday, the alternative was rooting for Duke. I wish Brown had made it to the championship game in 2016, too.
Quote from: Chuck HendersonQuoteIerlan won 79.1% of face-offs in 2018, the greatest single season in NCAA lacrosse history.
Greatest season since what year? Memory can be tricky, but I think Bruce Pfann ('59) probably had a higher percent. There were games when he didn't lose a single faceoff. I remember such a game when Cornell beat Syracuse pretty handily, but that was shortly after Jim Brown graduated (he took some faceoffs). Those were great games on Lower Alumni Field, especially versus Syracuse and Princeton. The statistics on the Cornell lacrosse web site don't go back that far.
It seems like an overly obvious idea, so there must be reasons it would not work, but to get Teat freed up at least a few additional times why couldn't they have him swap with a midfielder on some transition plays (when a midfielder is not deep in the defensive zone) so Teat can come in the offensive zone running (the player faceguarding him is usually a defenseman who would have to catch up). This would be a little like his taking the ball on the on a restart.
Count me with those who feel kind of sick about Yale's winning, especially with the hockey win as well. It doesn't seem like the proper order of things.
Yale athletics are stronger than Harvard's now, given they also were Ivy champs in football.
Quote from: Chuck HendersonQuoteIerlan won 79.1% of face-offs in 2018, the greatest single season in NCAA lacrosse history.
Greatest season since what year?
The NCAA's official records start in '71, so best work since then. Bruce may have had a better season, but the Cornell record book doesn't seem to go back to the 50's either.
Per an Albany-fan poster today on laxpower: "TD was in Ithaca this past weekend..."
Quote from: CU77Per an Albany-fan poster today on laxpower: "TD was in Ithaca this past weekend..."
He came to Casablanca for the waters.
Quote from: CU77Per an Albany-fan poster today on laxpower: "TD was in Ithaca this past weekend..."
He'd be doing his parents a real favor if he came to Cornell. They wouldn't have to travel to two places for games and they'd avoid the discomfort of having children on opposing sides in the Cornell-Syracuse games. (That's what I'm telling myself.)
Well the early rumors were Cornell specific. A contact of mine in the athletic dept at another school (not Cornell or Albany) told me in early May to be on the lookout for a HUGE transfer to Cornell (but did not give me a name). This is not to say that the rumors were necessarily right, or that TD could not change his mind even if he was thinking of coming to Cornell originally. He will surely be contacted by many coaches, and who knows what they will offer? Still, with his brother slated to come to Cornell, and with the Cornell team's fortunes apparently on the rise, we can all hope for the best.
https://twitter.com/CFJastrzembski/status/1008035631140876288
He's a member of the Albany chess team.
That's a man I can support.
Or is it? Link (https://twitter.com/LaxCommits/status/1008735736693223424)
Easy come, easy go. Will mom go to the Cornell game, dad to the Yale game, then switch the following week?
Quote from: Inside Lacrossehttp://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/td-ierlan-says-still-unsure-as-focus-narrows-to-cornell-yale/52592
Ierlan, when reached via text Monday afternoon, said: "I'm still unsure of where I'm going as of right now."...Coaches at both schools have confirmed Ierlan's interest, but neither has confirmed a final decision or admission, though, per sources an application was due last week.
Wow. I hope this goes the Big Red's way.
Congrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
Quote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
Quote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
"Who'd have thought the Mua Mua understood the callback?"
and other txts where he says he hasnt decided yet. wonder if money comes into play here
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
I am delighted as well. Additional note: I'd like to hate Duke as much as the next rational human being, but they post all their coaching videos. Good on them. Those things are invaluable.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
I am delighted as well. Additional note: I'd like to hate Duke as much as the next rational human being, but they post all their coaching videos. Good on them. Those things are invaluable.
Also gotta say, have you ever visited their campus? Damn it is gorgeous.... even by Cornell alum standards.
Dunno, Cornell's campus is gorgeous. And I prefer being a student in a fabulous college town to New Haven.
Quote from: CASDunno, Cornell's campus is gorgeous. And I prefer being a student in a fabulous college town to New Haven.
I prefer that too. Sherman set the "Wayback Machine" for August 28, 1970.
Quote from: KenPAlso gotta say, have you ever visited their campus? Damn it is gorgeous.... even by Cornell alum standards.
They ripped off Yale's campus; big whoop. And their student body is the only one that rivals Stanford for the vacuousness of privilege.
Quote from: CASDunno, Cornell's campus is gorgeous. And I prefer being a student in a fabulous college town to New Haven.
I think he meant Dyke's campus, not Yale's.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CASDunno, Cornell's campus is gorgeous. And I prefer being a student in a fabulous college town to New Haven.
I think he meant Dyke's campus, not Yale's.
I thought he was making a clever comment in Duke's theft. It really is the same campus.
Duke stole Yale's buildings. Stanford stole Harvard's faculty.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CASDunno, Cornell's campus is gorgeous. And I prefer being a student in a fabulous college town to New Haven.
I think he meant Dyke's campus, not Yale's.
I thought he was making a clever comment in Duke's theft. It really is the same campus.
Duke stole Yale's buildings. Stanford stole Harvard's faculty.
Harvard's faculty? Seven of the original fifteen Stanford faculty bolted Ithaca, thanks to David Starr Jordan.
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/34147-stanfords-cornell-roots.html
I was referring to Duke. And I don't know or care who stole what. It's a beautiful campus and like Stanford is an example of athletic scholarships coexisting successfully with academic excellence.
Quote from: KenPI was referring to Duke. And I don't know or care who stole what. It's a beautiful campus and like Stanford is an example of athletic scholarships coexisting successfully with academic excellence.
The question is whether there is academic excellence, or even competence, in their athletes.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CASDunno, Cornell's campus is gorgeous. And I prefer being a student in a fabulous college town to New Haven.
I think he meant Dyke's campus, not Yale's.
I thought he was making a clever comment in Duke's theft. It really is the same campus.
Duke stole Yale's buildings. Stanford stole Harvard's faculty.
Harvard's faculty? Seven of the original fifteen Stanford faculty bolted Ithaca, thanks to David Starr Jordan.
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/34147-stanfords-cornell-roots.html
Interesting. I was referring primarily to the social sciences, where they rather famously just took Talcott Parsons' entourage and plunked them down on the Farm. I was one of the third generation of that group.
It didn't take.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
That you'll say the same goddamn thing every time, ad nauseam?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Quote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
Ierlan may go to Yale, which would indeed suck, but there's been no official word yet.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
But he would never be considering it if not for Yale's recent run of success. Just like he probably wouldn't be considering us if we hadn't finished in the final eight this year and had a history of winning.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
But he would never be considering it if not for Yale's recent run of success. Just like he probably wouldn't be considering us if we hadn't finished in the final eight this year and had a history of winning.
The reason Yale has had a run of success wasn't because of their history of success, so the fact that Ierlan might choose them may have something to do with whatever made the other players choose them. You never stopped beating this drum.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
But he would never be considering it if not for Yale's recent run of success. Just like he probably wouldn't be considering us if we hadn't finished in the final eight this year and had a history of winning.
But then it would have been Brown, or Princeton or Harvard, etc., whoever was the "it" team. In lacrosse the Ivies have almost always had one or more elite programs in a given year, and since Ierlan seems to be putting a priority on academics, another Ivy will almost certainly have been in the mix anyway--this time it just happens to be Yale.
The more success a program has, the better recruits it gets. It's possible to build a great program over several years, increasing the quality of recruits as you win. As they did in hockey, Yale took about 8 years to go from a middling program to a national power. It's usually hard to prove a rival's success hurt us in recruiting, but in this case it's pretty easy to reason that if Cornell were the clear best Ivy, as it was for most a ten-year stretch until a few years ago, this FOGO guy wouldn't have as much of a choice. On average, we get better recruits when we win more than our rivals, since we compete with our rivals for recruits. Anyway, I'm going to drop this and raise it again in a few weeks, and then a few weeks after that, and th
The other Ierlan (https://on.rocne.ws/2MCW3yX) (Chayse).
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
But he would never be considering it if not for Yale's recent run of success. Just like he probably wouldn't be considering us if we hadn't finished in the final eight this year and had a history of winning.
Are you really so clueless that you think the only reason someone might choose Yale over Cornell is because they won a lacrosse championship? You've been beating this uninformed drum for years and, pal, it makes no sense. Really.
Jeff Teat, Brennan Donville, and Jason Noble named to Canada's 2018 world championship team.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
But he would never be considering it if not for Yale's recent run of success. Just like he probably wouldn't be considering us if we hadn't finished in the final eight this year and had a history of winning.
Are you really so clueless that you think the only reason someone might choose Yale over Cornell is because they won a lacrosse championship? You've been beating this uninformed drum for years and, pal, it makes no sense. Really.
You sure throw around a lot of insults.
But, okay. You're being obtuse. I assume you understand more than one factor can go into a decision. Would you like to hazard a guess as to why this kid, with presumably no relation to Yale whatsoever, chose them as a finalist in his transfer decision, but not Harvard or Princeton or any other Ivy besides the one where his brother will be playing next year? Could it be that Yale
has had sustained success over the past eight seasons and just won a national championship?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
But he would never be considering it if not for Yale's recent run of success. Just like he probably wouldn't be considering us if we hadn't finished in the final eight this year and had a history of winning.
Are you really so clueless that you think the only reason someone might choose Yale over Cornell is because they won a lacrosse championship? You've been beating this uninformed drum for years and, pal, it makes no sense. Really.
You sure throw around a lot of insults.
But, okay. You're being obtuse. I assume you understand more than one factor can go into a decision. Would you like to hazard a guess as to why this kid, with presumably no relation to Yale whatsoever, chose them as a finalist in his transfer decision, but not Harvard or Princeton or any other Ivy besides the one where his brother will be playing next year? Could it be that Yale has had sustained success over the past eight seasons and just won a national championship?
If he were truly split about which school would be best for his lacrosse play and decided to look at academics, school reputation and strength of alumni network... I bleed carnelian but c'mon guys.
Quote from: KenPQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverCongrats to everyone on this forum who was happy for Yale's success, especially their national championship.
As opposed to the joy of Duke winning.
The guy's just a whiner, Bill. Always has been.
And, yes, I'm delighted that an Ivy won the lacrosse championship.
"Just a whiner," or, just a regular sports fan? Go on a Duke Basketball forum, tell everyone how you're rooting for UNC in the game against Kentucky, and see how you fare.
There are costs to Cornell when its rivals do well. This is one of them.
You're a whiner. And annoying. And embarrassing.
And I don't give a shit what Duke fans think. You, too, for that matter.
Yeah, because my statement was definitely specific to Duke fans.
We're potentially losing out on the biggest transfer in the country because one of our rivals started winning. I stopped harping awhile ago on the point that our rivals doing well will hurt us, but this seems like a very appropriate time to return to that argument given how clear the causality is.
That makes no sense. We ourselves finished among the top 8 teams in the country in 2018, and with our without him we're poised to make another deep run next year. Yale lost a lot more talent than we did (including of course the fantastic Ben Reeves), so if he were making his choice from a pure "which team has the best chance to win it all next year" standpoint, that would be us. While I'll be a bit baffled if Ierlan in fact choose Yale, he would be choosing to go there for some other reason than because Yale gives him the better chance to win.
But he would never be considering it if not for Yale's recent run of success. Just like he probably wouldn't be considering us if we hadn't finished in the final eight this year and had a history of winning.
Are you really so clueless that you think the only reason someone might choose Yale over Cornell is because they won a lacrosse championship? You've been beating this uninformed drum for years and, pal, it makes no sense. Really.
You sure throw around a lot of insults.
But, okay. You're being obtuse. I assume you understand more than one factor can go into a decision. Would you like to hazard a guess as to why this kid, with presumably no relation to Yale whatsoever, chose them as a finalist in his transfer decision, but not Harvard or Princeton or any other Ivy besides the one where his brother will be playing next year? Could it be that Yale has had sustained success over the past eight seasons and just won a national championship?
If he were truly split about which school would be best for his lacrosse play and decided to look at academics, school reputation and strength of alumni network... I bleed carnelian but c'mon guys.
You're ignoring that lucrative professional lacrosse contract that he'll land after his college years. Who needs "Boola boola" when you've got the moola moola? ::demented::
Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.
Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.
Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Thanks for posting this Al. In the offseason I'm not as regular on eLynah, but as I was reading this thread I had the same thought about Yale being a "national power". Yale hit gold that year, but they wen't even a national power then. It was a series of very fortunate events that allowed a very good team to win. Everyone expected them to continue, but as you point out, they basically became an also ran after that.
Quote from: Jim HylaYale hit gold that year, but they wen't even a national power then. It was a series of very fortunate events that allowed a very good team to win. Everyone expected them to continue, but as you point out, they basically became an also ran after that.
The ironic thing is Yale actually did have a title-level dominant team the prior few years but always potted out. Then they backed into the Show with their weakest team and everything just happened to go their way.
This as opposed to U who made the most of the best chance they'll ever have. And Q who had two very, very good looks but just ran out of gas.
Just. Get. In. If we can get in 16 more times in my lifetime I'll get to see one title.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaYale hit gold that year, but they wen't even a national power then. It was a series of very fortunate events that allowed a very good team to win. Everyone expected them to continue, but as you point out, they basically became an also ran after that.
The ironic thing is Yale actually did have a title-level dominant team the prior few years but always potted out. Then they backed into the Show with their weakest team and everything just happened to go their way.
This as opposed to U who made the most of the best chance they'll ever have. And Q who had two very, very good looks but just ran out of gas.
Just. Get. In. If we can get in 16 more times in my lifetime I'll get to see one title.
At the time I thought that Yale's secret weapon was Keith Allain. Now, not so much.
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaYale hit gold that year, but they wen't even a national power then. It was a series of very fortunate events that allowed a very good team to win. Everyone expected them to continue, but as you point out, they basically became an also ran after that.
The ironic thing is Yale actually did have a title-level dominant team the prior few years but always potted out. Then they backed into the Show with their weakest team and everything just happened to go their way.
This as opposed to U who made the most of the best chance they'll ever have. And Q who had two very, very good looks but just ran out of gas.
Just. Get. In. If we can get in 16 more times in my lifetime I'll get to see one title.
At the time I thought that Yale's secret weapon was Keith Allain. Now, not so much.
Interesting point. Remarkably, Cornell continually sits at or near the top in hockey and lacrosse, although of course we have down periods, esp. when we have such exogenous things as hockey's reconstruction when MS decided we needed to be faster & more skilled even if this means smaller or the "Noel Holes" caused by firing Deluca & then Kerwit's "resignation." We haven't won any brass rings in a long time, but I think in this century we've had teams in both hockey & lacrosse capable of winning a NC. We've had shitty luck in both.
To win a NC, you have to get to the Final 4. At that point, all teams are excellent. There have been teams that regularly make it in hockey, but I don't remember any that either win or place year after year. Ditto for lacrosse. MD has been getting there, but only won it last year for the first time in ages. The days when 1-2 dominant teams (e.g., BU & Cornell in hockey) take turns are over. Duke in lacrosse may be the closest to a exception.
With the Ivy League's expanded "need-based" financial aid, the recruiting gap against athletic-scholarship schools in both sports has narrowed, although HYP's larger endowments give them an advantage over the rest of the Ivies and adds to their already considerable "prestige" advantages. We're very lucky that Harvard has had coaches who can recruit but not use to full advantage the talent they attract.
Remember, we
handily beat Yale in lacrosse this year. I know Yale fans think the fact that Cornell & Yale split their two games shows the teams were more or less equal and Yale did not play up to its potential in the ILT, but I think Cornell's coaches took a rather disorganized team at the start of the season and turned it into a top-4 power with a big asterisk. The asterisk is that the team is vulnerable to SOT. If they fix this for next year and rebuild the defense, we should be the favorite to win the Ivies. If we win the Ierlan lottery, we have as good a shot or better at winning the NC as anyone.
Let's hope Andy Shay follows in Keith Allain's footsteps.
Quote from: SwampyTo win a NC, you have to get to the Final 4. At that point, all teams are excellent. There have been teams that regularly make it in hockey, but I don't remember any that either win or place year after year.
BC had a GREAT run (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ncaa_F4_Matrix_by_Year.html). Win or place in 98, 00, 01, 06, 07, 08, 10, 12. 8 finals in 15 seasons, with 4 titles.
UMD just did it back-to-back. Minny and Denver won back-to-back titles this century. Q placed twice in 4 years. Wisco 2 finals in 5 years,
That's it for this century.
TD going to Yale
Quote from: margolismTD going to Yale
Daily Messenger article (http://www.mpnnow.com/sports/20180621/lacrosse-td-ierlan-confirms-transfer-to-yale)
Quote from: margolismTD going to Yale
Ouch. I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true. I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life. I wish his brother well in both. ;-)
I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year. Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.
This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.
I actually feel bad for the incom8ng Yale FOGO who probably assumed he would be a starter as a frosh.
Quote from: margolismI actually feel bad for the incom8ng Yale FOGO who probably assumed he would be a starter as a frosh.
maybe he's looking to transfer
Quote from: George64Quote from: margolismTD going to Yale
Daily Messenger article (http://www.mpnnow.com/sports/20180621/lacrosse-td-ierlan-confirms-transfer-to-yale)
Totally sucks!
Quote from: djk26Quote from: margolismTD going to Yale
Ouch. I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true. I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life. I wish his brother well in both. ;-)
I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year. Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.
This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.
We beat them this year. We'll be better next year. I like our chances.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: djk26Quote from: margolismTD going to Yale
Ouch. I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true. I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life. I wish his brother well in both. ;-)
I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year. Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.
This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.
We beat them this year. We'll be better next year. I like our chances.
We just have to overcome SOT.
I do like how our FOGOs improved this year. It says a great deal about the coaching.
Remember Jake Pulver's decision to commit to Cornell while he was visiting Yale. I guess TD's decision to go Ely rather than Ezra makes us even.
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site (https://economics.yale.edu/undergraduate-program), with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's (https://economics.cornell.edu/undergraduate), with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: djk26Quote from: margolismTD going to Yale
Ouch. I knew that having him on our team was too good to be true. I can't wish him well in lacrosse, but I wish him well in life. I wish his brother well in both. ;-)
I still think we will be improved in faceoff next year. Not as much as Yale, but with Paul Rasimowicz having another year of experience and with the incoming Mitchell Rothstein, we should hold on our own.
This is bad news, no doubt, but let's not assume this kills our chances of winning the Ivy League next year.
We beat them this year. We'll be better next year. I like our chances.
We just have to overcome SOT.
I do like how our FOGOs improved this year. It says a great deal about the coaching.
Remember Jake Pulver's decision to commit to Cornell while he was visiting Yale. I guess TD's decision to go Ely rather than Ezra makes us even.
Dominating FOGO Kevin Reisman appears to have made the transition to coaching. He's done a great job for us this year.
Quote from: SwampyHave to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site (https://economics.yale.edu/undergraduate-program), with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's (https://economics.cornell.edu/undergraduate), with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Yale's econ major website is more attractive, no doubt. But the first two sentences on that site...yeesh.
Quote from: Yale econ websiteSo glad you are interested in learning more about majoring in economics at Yale. Reasonably given its name, many people think economics is the study of the economy including recessions and inflation and perhaps stocks and bonds as well.
That first sentence--who is glad? The placement of the first three words in the second sentence seems wrong.
All right--I'm contributing to too much thread drift. Go Big Red, beat Yale (in lacrosse.)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.
Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioSorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.
Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.
You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost. Hasn't happened. 'Fess up.
Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction." Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship. Sub .500. Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Al DeFlorioSorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.
Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.
You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost. Hasn't happened. 'Fess up.
Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction." Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship. Sub .500. Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.
My argument was limited to the five years following the national championship (two of which Yale made the NCAAs and two of which Cornell did)? That's news to me. You chose an arbitrary cutting off point that comes after two very successful years for Cornell. Cut off the "analysis" at 2015, or 2016, and we have the total opposite result. Yale has a great recruiting class this year. We don't know how things are going to develop.
There are far too many confounding variables to argue causality one way or the other. As I said earlier in literally this same thread:
Quote from: BearLoverIt's usually hard to prove a rival's success hurt us in recruiting
We usually don't know what teams a recruit is deciding between, what the recruit is looking for, etc. In this case, though, we have a relatively simple test-case: the top transfer in the country choosing between Cornell and a Yale team that just won the national championship. If this happened in, say, 2010, and Cornell were the clear best Ivy in lacrosse, would he have chosen Cornell instead? Princeton then was the closest parallel to Yale now: an HYP school with recent lax success. The difference, though, was that Cornell had more recent success than Princeton. So would the result have been different? Maybe, maybe not. But
on average, holding everything else equal, Irelan would have been
more likely to choose Cornell under those 2010 circumstances than under these current ones. (Or he could have chosen Syracuse or some non-Ivy instead. We don't know, but again, we are talking about likelihood, not absolutes.) If Yale had exited in the first round this year, I think there's a very good chance we'd be starting next season with the best FOGO guy in the country.
It's also worth noting the impact on recruiting was a relatively minor point in the overall argument I was making. If you look at Cornell's success relative to the strength of the rest of the ECAC, results from last six years support the conclusion that Cornell has more success when the ECAC is weaker, or at minimum a weak ECAC doesn't hurt Cornell enough nationally to cancel out the advantage of having a higher chance at an automatic bid (missing the tournament four years straight when the ECAC was strong, and making it the past two years when the ECAC was down).
Prior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class? I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn't enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.
How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn't indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates. I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.
Quote from: margolismPrior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class? I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn't enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.
How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn't indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates. I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.
It's definitely not a 1:1 correlation but there's definitely a correlation. BU/Mich/NoDak/etc wouldn't be perennial powers if that weren't the case. On paper Cairns was the highlight of our recruiting class last year, but we also had a number of players who had put up great numbers in juniors. At least one was on an NHL draft watch-list (Betts, I believe) and Barron was drafted. This year we have a couple of forwards who put up good numbers coming, though none of whom were on any draft watch-lists. Yale was able to snag several of the top scorers in the USHL, IIRC.
Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round
Quote from: CASAlex Green was just selected in the 4th round
In lacrosse?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: CASAlex Green was just selected in the 4th round
In lacrosse?
Thread appropriation.
Quote from: SwampyHave to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site (https://economics.yale.edu/undergraduate-program), with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's (https://economics.cornell.edu/undergraduate), with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyHave to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site (https://economics.yale.edu/undergraduate-program), with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's (https://economics.cornell.edu/undergraduate), with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
I guess they're the ones who choose Cornell over Yale. Good! Maybe in 10-15 years one of them will donate a portion of their obscene profits to build an indoor lacrosse practice facility.::demented::
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyHave to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site (https://economics.yale.edu/undergraduate-program), with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's (https://economics.cornell.edu/undergraduate), with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
Ever since we shit on the liberal arts that's essentially every major offered at Cornell now.
Because, you know, "preparation for life." ::wank::
Follow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.
Quote from: billhowardFollow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.
Are you saying there are still opportunities for in-garage businesses to buy licenses to shit software and relicense the software to clueless multinationals?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardFollow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.
Are you saying there are still opportunities for in-garage businesses to buy licenses to shit software and relicense the software to clueless multinationals?
Absolutely not what I'm saying. You're putting words in my mouth. The correct words to put in my mouth are: "Selling the software licenses for the apps whose characteristics you describe, that has become a task better handled by larger companies historically suited to this kind of enterprise. Screwing companies with today's software is no longer a game for kids and garage shops. The should stick to making surfboards."
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: SwampyHave to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site (https://economics.yale.edu/undergraduate-program), with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's (https://economics.cornell.edu/undergraduate), with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
Sounds like excellent preparation for becoming Commissioner of the NHL (https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/concussion-advocates-upset-at-gary-bettman-s-inclusion-in-hockey-hall-of-fame-1.4723979).
Watching Canada crush Scotland in the Worlds. Teat with 1G-4A in the first half for Team Canada. Brennan Donville in goal for Canada in the second half.
Teat now with 1G-6A after 3Q.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Watching Canada crush Scotland in the Worlds. Teat with 1G-4A in the first half for Team Canada. Brennan Donville in goal for Canada in the second half.
Teat now with 1G-6A after 3Q.
Go Jeff! Soooo...how is Canada countering SOT? ;-)
I kid...I know that just about any winning team in the NCAA could likely beat the Scottish national team.
Again, the incoming lacrosse Class of '22, as described by Coach, sounds really good without too many specifics.
Quote from: Coach Peter Millman"I think this class is going to bring depth and competition at every spot on the field. There are several players who have the ability to impact us right away, but for the first time in a few years, we have very few openings in the lineup right now. There is a battle at every position all of these newcomers are going to have to fight very hard if they want a chance to get on the field this year. This is a defensively heavy class but overall it's a strong group that we are very excited about.
Men's Lacrosse Welcomes 13 Newcomers for 2019 (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/7/16/mens-lacrosse-welcomes-13-newcomers-for-2019.aspx)
From Christian Swezey, Inside Lacrosse. This was done back in June when it was uncertain where Albany's FOGO would go. Yale, Cornell and Princeton are Ivies in the top 20. (I don't believe this was posted before)
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/swezeys-2019-way-ahead-rankings/76?slide=all < slideshow
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/swezeys-2019-way-ahead-rankings/76?slide=21 <-- starts with last slide, #1 Yale, just click the left arrow to count backwards
1. Yale
2. Virgina
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Hopkins
6. Cornell
7. Loyola
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10 Syracuse
11 Lehigh
12 Albany
13 Denver
14 UMass
15 Princton
16 UNC
17 Penn State
18 Rutgers
19 Robbie Morris
20 Villanova
Quote from: Christian Swezey[Cornell] 13-5, lost in NCAA quarterfinals The Big Red led the nation in shooting percentage (38%) and bring back nine of the top 10 scorers, including junior Jeff Teat (37G,62A) and senior Clarke Petterson (44G). Back on defense is senior Fleet Wallace and a goalie who went 5-0 in his starts. There also is a rumor of a record-breaking face-off specialist [TD Ierlan] possibly being added to the mix as a transfer. The Big Red are a dark horse to win the national title in 2019, if all breaks right. The only shadow is the loss to Maryland in the quarterfinals last year; in that game the Big Red looked undercooked, gimmicky and completely out of their depth.
https://gocolgateraiders.com/news/2018/7/26/raiders-name-karweck-mens-lacrosse-head-coach.aspx
Quote from: Colgate PR"HAMILTON – Matt Karweck, an eight-year assistant coach in the Division I ranks, including the last six seasons at Notre Dame, is the new Colgate men's lacrosse head coach."
Not the same as our Matt Kerwick. Who is director of lax at IMG Academy.
https://www.collegecrosse.com/2017/7/27/16053664/matt-kerwick-img-academy-director-of-lacrosse-cornell-big-red-jacksonville-florida-high-school
Ben DeLuca '91, whose fall 2013 firing led to Kerwick being elevated to Cornell head coach, and whose (Kerwick) departure led to Peter Millman taking over, is (DeLuca) in his second year at Delaware.
Quote from: billhowardFrom Christian Swezey, Inside Lacrosse. This was done back in June when it was uncertain where Albany's FOGO would go. Yale, Cornell and Princeton are Ivies in the top 20. (I don't believe this was posted before)
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/swezeys-2019-way-ahead-rankings/76?slide=all < slideshow
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/swezeys-2019-way-ahead-rankings/76?slide=21 <-- starts with last slide, #1 Yale, just click the left arrow to count backwards
1. Yale
2. Virgina
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Hopkins
6. Cornell
7. Loyola
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10 Syracuse
11 Lehigh
12 Albany
13 Denver
14 UMass
15 Princton
16 UNC
17 Penn State
18 Rutgers
19 Robbie Morris
20 Villanova
Quote from: Christian Swezey[Cornell] 13-5, lost in NCAA quarterfinals The Big Red led the nation in shooting percentage (38%) and bring back nine of the top 10 scorers, including junior Jeff Teat (37G,62A) and senior Clarke Petterson (44G). Back on defense is senior Fleet Wallace and a goalie who went 5-0 in his starts. There also is a rumor of a record-breaking face-off specialist [TD Ierlan] possibly being added to the mix as a transfer. The Big Red are a dark horse to win the national title in 2019, if all breaks right. The only shadow is the loss to Maryland in the quarterfinals last year; in that game the Big Red looked undercooked, gimmicky and completely out of their depth.
Interesting that Yale, which lost 6 MLL draft picks, is still picked to be #1. And this was before the Ierlan transfer was announced! ::cry::
as a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.
Quote from: underskillas a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.
It's the Yale Corporation System. Also, Harvard-intenders maybe got scared off by Harvard's opposition to finals clubs. Maybe New Haven is going through a resurrection. Nah, skip that last one.
shot clock rules could really change things up
Quote from: underskillas a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.
Here's one set of answers: http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-sp-yale-lacrosse-column-20180528-story.html (http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-sp-yale-lacrosse-column-20180528-story.html).
There's also been more than a little bit of luck. Ben Reeves was "under recruited" (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-exceptional-career-of-yale-s-ben-reeves-ends-with-championship-gold/52446) and turned out better than expected. (Cornell has had its share of players like this: among recent classes, RP3 & Jake P. come to mind.) This spring TD Ierlan decided he wanted to transfer to a school with stronger academics than Albany, and the choice came down to following his younger brother to Cornell and being closer to home vs going to Yale. But Yale's coach Shay did a great job recruiting him (https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/ierlan-moving-forward-after-transfer-to-defending-champion-yale). And besides, who wouldn't want the chance to be a key player on a NC team trying to repeat?
Meanwhile, Shay seems happy at Yale and unlikely to jump ship, as successful coaches at Brown and Cornell have done. OTOH, at least Cornell has suffered from coaching turnover and an AD who makes puzzling timing decisions -- to put it mildly -- regarding hiring and firing coaches. Notice, for example, that Cornell's last 3 HC's were all internal hires -- one after a successful coach jumped, one after another successful coach was fired late in the Fall Semester, and one after serving a year as an interim coach even though the former coach resigned in plenty of time to do a national search for a new coach without hurting recruiting with a coach who's future at the position was uncertain. Princeton, the other traditional Ivy power, had similar turnover when Bill Tierney left for Denver (rumored to be because of trouble with a new admissions regime), his replacement was fired 7 years later for elbowing an opposing player, and his replacement was interim HC for the rest of the season but then appointed HC. So Yale has risen to the top when the other Ivy teams most likely to challenge Yale have been undergoing coaching turmoil.
Part of Yale's rise has also been the culture Yale's players have fostered. Compare the Yale and Penn threads on Laxpower, and you'll see what I mean. From what I've read, Yale's culture is all encompassing. Even out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet. Meanwhile, over on the Penn thread, posters complain about members of the lacrosse team being stuck up and acting entitled.
Quote from: SwampyEven out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet.
I can't argue with the results (I am still jealous of Yale's national championship), but ugh. That does not sound fun. Of course, I have never been part of an athletic team, so I imagine it wouldn't work at Yale (or anywhere else) unless all the players loved and respected each other.
Quote from: billhowardHarvard-intenders maybe got scared off by Harvard's opposition to finals clubs.
Oh please. The Upper Class Twits of the Year at Harvard will remain as entitled, pampered, and clueless after that little PR stunt by the Harvard administration as Cantabs of yore. Or Yalies. Or Cornellians, for that matter. Snotty McCokespoon's great, great grandchildren will still be circle-jerking at Phillips Academy long after our bones have been ground into Soylent White for our own progeny.
Just my opinion: the Yale worship is waaaayyy overdone. If Teat gets a little stronger and with some offensive adjustments I think they'll be looking up at us next season. They lost a lot of talent and what they have coming in won't replace it.
Quote from: djk26Quote from: SwampyEven out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet.
I can't argue with the results (I am still jealous of Yale's national championship), but ugh. That does not sound fun. Of course, I have never been part of an athletic team, so I imagine it wouldn't work at Yale (or anywhere else) unless all the players loved and respected each other.
it sounds less like hazing than mutual support so it didn't reflexively bug me
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/it-s-official-a-shot-clock-is-coming-to-ncaa-men-s-lacrosse-the-dive-returns/52934
Inside Lacrosse: It's Official: A Shot Clock is Coming to NCAA Men's Lacrosse; 'The Dive' Returns
Quote from: jeff '84https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/it-s-official-a-shot-clock-is-coming-to-ncaa-men-s-lacrosse-the-dive-returns/52934
Inside Lacrosse: It's Official: A Shot Clock is Coming to NCAA Men's Lacrosse; 'The Dive' Returns
It appears to target the upcoming season but still needs to get one more round of approval from the NCAA. Although the majority of coaches support the shot clock: 20 seconds to get the ball into the offensive end, at which point the 60-second shot clock kicks in. A shot on-goal (not at-goal) resets the clock. The dive refers to taking an athletic shot at the net where the attacker winds up inside the crease when he lands. If his direction of flight is not in the direction of the goal mouth and if he scores before touching down, the goal counts. Diving at the goal mouth will be rewarded with a one-minute personal foul penalty, as I read it.
Quote from: NCAA press releaseThe NCAA Men's Lacrosse Rules Committee has recommended both a visible 60-second shot clock on every possession and rules changes to allow offenses more flexibility around the crease beginning with the 2019 regular season.
If approved next month by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Committee, the shot clock will follow a 20-second clearing count, during which players must advance the ball across the midfield line with the over-and-back provision in effect.
The committee, which met this week in Indianapolis, made the proposal after several years of experimentation and discussion. In the annual rules survey, 62 percent of coaches indicated support for a shot clock on every possession, including 71 percent of Division I coaches.
"It was clear to the committee that the majority of the lacrosse community felt strongly that a shot clock was needed to properly manage today's game," said Rob Randall, chair of the committee and head coach at Nazareth. "In our discussions, we debated many different options and reviewed the experiments that took place in the fall. Ultimately, we believe our proposal will continue the evolution of our sport."
All of the committee's proposals will be distributed to the NCAA membership to collect feedback. The committee will view the comments and move its final proposals to PROP for review Sept. 12.
Under the proposal, a team will have 20 seconds to cross the midfield line when it gains possession in its defensive half of the field. If a team fails to clear the defensive half of the field, the ball is awarded to the opposing team. The referees will keep this time on the field, as they do currently.
After advancing the ball to the offensive half the visible 60-second shot clock will start. If the offensive team regains possession after satisfying the shot clock, such as with a save, rebound off goal, etc., [no further explain of what the etceteras would be] the shot clock will reset to 60 seconds. If no shot is taken in the 60 seconds, the defending team will be awarded possession.
So the question for Cornell is, does this in any way help Jeff Teat, or does he need to keep lifting weights and/or find undetectable human growth hormones?
I have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)
This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.
Quote from: margolismI have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)
This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.
This is why I'm disappointed by the new rule: not because it disadvantages Cornell, but because it makes the game less attractive.
I really dislike the offensive/defensive platooning, especially when it makes the game stand still while teams substitute after a clear; I also dislike it because of the silly game one sometimes sees in which players fake being substituted. The 20 sec. clear and other adjustments could have addressed this.
The 60-second shot clock will reduce the number of extra passes (i.e., dilute the passing game), increase the prevalence of zone defenses, increase the likelihood of shut-off (as in SOT) defensive strategies, and put more emphasis on individual dodging, size, and strength. I consider all of these detrimental to the game.
Taking the subjectivity out of the existing shot-clock regulations is a good thing, but there are other ways to accomplish this.
Also, it seems more than a little self-contradictory to consider a "shot" for shot-clock purposes to be one that goes in, hits the GK, or hits the goal. But a "shot" for possession purposes (i.e., one in which possession goes to the team closest to where the "shot" goes out of bounds) is one that, in the judgement of the ref, was intended to go in and had a reasonable chance of doing so, whereas other throws -- such as a completed or errant "pass" behind the cage or in front of it, or an intended shot that never had a remote chance of going in -- are not. The criteria for what counts as a "shot" should be consistent.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: margolismI have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)
This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.
This is why I'm disappointed by the new rule: not because it disadvantages Cornell, but because it makes the game less attractive.
I really dislike the offensive/defensive platooning, especially when it makes the game stand still while teams substitute after a clear; I also dislike it because of the silly game one sometimes sees in which players fake being substituted. The 20 sec. clear and other adjustments could have addressed this.
The 60-second shot clock will reduce the number of extra passes (i.e., dilute the passing game), increase the prevalence of zone defenses, increase the likelihood of shut-off (as in SOT) defensive strategies, and put more emphasis on individual dodging, size, and strength. I consider all of these detrimental to the game.
Taking the subjectivity out of the existing shot-clock regulations is a good thing, but there are other ways to accomplish this.
Also, it seems more than a little self-contradictory to consider a "shot" for shot-clock purposes to be one that goes in, hits the GK, or hits the goal. But a "shot" for possession purposes (i.e., one in which possession goes to the team closest to where the "shot" goes out of bounds) is one that, in the judgement of the ref, was intended to go in and had a reasonable chance of doing so, whereas other throws -- such as a completed or errant "pass" behind the cage or in front of it, or an intended shot that never had a remote chance of going in -- are not. The criteria for what counts as a "shot" should be consistent.
The inconsistency likely comes down to how easy it is to fake an errant shot for shot clock purposes when you have someone in position to keep possession. "Pass or shot" is generally not a tough call. "Real shot or Reset-Trigger Shot" would be.
I agree with Swampy that this is bad for the game and bad for Cornell.
On the plus side, here's a nice article on the team & PM from US Lacrosse:
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/cornell-returns-as-national-contender-with-milliman-as-head-coach
I thought the new rule was you get to keep the ball when shooting for the duration of the shot clock but it wont reset unless it hits goalie or net, so just taking shots wont let you keep the ball.
i think its great for the game.. it will force teams to play faster hopefully cause more unsettled play and players taking shots before they are ready again causing more unsettled play.
anything that makes the faceoffs more valuable and also less dominating is great.
IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
Quote from: CU77IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
Agree completely. The problem is the waiting around to switch middies. The shot clock is not going to change that.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
Agree completely. The problem is the waiting around to switch middies. The shot clock is not going to change that.
Exactly!
Rather than 20-second-clear and 60-second-shot clock, I would have preferred an 80-second prohibition on substitutions except in case of injury.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
Agree completely. The problem is the waiting around to switch middies. The shot clock is not going to change that.
Exactly!
Rather than 20-second-clear and 60-second-shot clock, I would have preferred an 80-second prohibition on substitutions except in case of injury.
Coaches will still switch middies so it will in reality become a 40-45 second shot clock, and the sublime beauty of a surgically-precise Teat goal-mouth pass will be a much less frequent phenomenon.
Quote from: CU77I agree with Swampy that this is bad for the game and bad for Cornell.
On the plus side, here's a nice article on the team & PM from US Lacrosse:
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/cornell-returns-as-national-contender-with-milliman-as-head-coach
I don't think this will be bad for Cornell. They can attack and get off several passes in 60 seconds, esp. with their box skills.
A shot clock is a draw for the general fan, and that's good for the growth of the sport. The game becomes faster and more exciting. It also, as people have pointed out, takes away the (sometimes inexplicable) subjectivity of the refs to determine shots v. passes or when to put on the stall warning.
It does add, though, the sometimes difficult call whether a shot occurred before or after the shot clock expires.
Mike
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/shanny-s-take-on-the-minto-cup-game-2-situation/52996
"Shanny's Take on the Minto Cup Game 2 Situation"
(Jeff Teat is suspended for 3 games for verbal abuse of ref). sketchy.
Jeff Teat's suspension was overturned upon appeal.
Quote from: CASJeff Teat's suspension was overturned upon appeal.
Maybe he's pre-law. And saw Animal House.
Bill Tierney, all is forgiven. Denver flies to Princeton to play the Tigers Tuesday, March 26.
https://goprincetontigers.com/news/2018/8/22/mens-lacrosse-tigers-to-host-denver-in-bill-tierneys-return-to-princeton.aspx
Princeton "jumped at the chance"?
Quote from: Princeton coach Matt Madalon"The opportunity to add Denver to the schedule presented itself, and we of course jumped at the opportunity."
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CASJeff Teat's suspension was overturned upon appeal.
Maybe he's pre-law. And saw Animal House.
Does this thing talk?
Cornell fall ball October 14 against Maryland.
Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else ...
Quote from: CU77Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else ...
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?
So it seems LaxPower may really be defunct based on a message posted today (http://static.active.com/laxpower/LaxPower.html) when I tried logging on. I'm certainly glad we have this forum to use.
And a new forum is already up and running at FanLax.com (http://lummys.com/fanlax/phpbb3/viewforum.php?f=118)
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else ...
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?
As Ned Harkness allegedly (and probably) said, "Keep your elbows up, boys."
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else ...
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?
As Ned Harkness allegedly (and probably) said, "Keep your elbows up, boys."
Was that in hockey or lacrosse?
Quote from: billhowardBill Tierney, all is forgiven. Denver flies to Princeton to play the Tigers Tuesday, March 26.
https://goprincetontigers.com/news/2018/8/22/mens-lacrosse-tigers-to-host-denver-in-bill-tierneys-return-to-princeton.aspx
Princeton "jumped at the chance"?
Quote from: Princeton coach Matt Madalon"The opportunity to add Denver to the schedule presented itself, and we of course jumped at the opportunity."
Also,
Quote from: Princeton Tigers... the only men's lacrosse coach to have won an NCAA title with two schools.
Technically correct. BUT ... IIRC, lacrosse teams at RPI coached by Ned Harkness were undefeated in 1947 and 1952, when RPI won the Wingate Trophy, precursor to the NCAA national championship. And in 3 years at Cornell, his teams were 35-1. Odds are that had the NCAA engaged in voter suppression a few years before 1971, Ned would have been the first to win championships at two different schools. But alas, Ned coached during the last few years that the NCAA still relied on gerrymandered voting instead of actually playing for the championship.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else ...
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?
As Ned Harkness allegedly (and probably) said, "Keep your elbows up, boys."
Was that in hockey or lacrosse?
With Ned it may even have been dancing.
Sitting outside the stadium yesterday, one Mr. Andy Noel stopped over to chat with the only Cornell fans who were around. In the course of conversation, he mentioned that we just picked up a new FOGO from of all places, Australia.
Anybody know anything?
Face off, hop off.
Quote from: billhowardFace off, hop off.
I may be wrong about this, and perhaps things have changed under the new rules. But aren't kicks to the stomach illegal?
you could check the student roster i suppose.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Sitting outside the stadium yesterday, one Mr. Andy Noel stopped over to chat with the only Cornell fans who were around. In the course of conversation, he mentioned that we just picked up a new FOGO from of all places, Australia.
Anybody know anything?
His name is Tim Graham. I saw him on the televised World Games last summer, and he is great. Trevor Baptiste of Denver and now in the MLL considered the best college faceoff specialist in the country (The kid who decided on Yale doesn't have as long a track record) faced off against Graham 12 times. Graham won 5. Almost a standoff. I'm very optimistic. Yeah, we lost that other guy, but he has only two years of eligibility left and Graham has all four. You can probably see Youtube videos of those Australian National Team games.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Sitting outside the stadium yesterday, one Mr. Andy Noel stopped over to chat with the only Cornell fans who were around. In the course of conversation, he mentioned that we just picked up a new FOGO from of all places, Australia.
Anybody know anything?
His name is Tim Graham. I saw him on the televised World Games last summer, and he is great. Trevor Baptiste of Denver and now in the MLL considered the best college faceoff specialist in the country (The kid who decided on Yale doesn't have as long a track record) faced off against Graham 12 times. Graham won 5. Almost a standoff. I'm very optimistic. Yeah, we lost that other guy, but he has only two years of eligibility left and Graham has all four. You can probably see Youtube videos of those Australian National Team games.
Do we know if Graham is enrolling for the spring semester? Right now he's not on the roster. In any event Angelo Petrakis from Long Island, who is rated the best FOGO in the HS class of 2019 and a top-15 recruit overall, is scheduled to arrive in Ithaca in 2019 as well. So we are likely looking at FOGO becoming a position of strength sooner than later.
My information (directly from the coaching staff) is that he is enrolling in January and is eligible immediately.
Quote from: TimVMy information (directly from the coaching staff) is that he is enrolling in January and is eligible immediately.
Works for me!
I'll take two solid FOGO's. Let the best man win!
Three guys - counting Rasimovicz who was pretty good after the 0-24 UAlbany Game and before his injury. Subtract the Albany game and the Maryland playoff (that he played despite his injury) from his season stats and he was 140-104 for 57%. Take out the Lehigh Game when he got injured and he was 133-86 for 63%. Only 6 players did better than that in D1 last year.
Quote from: TimVThree guys - counting Rasimovicz who was pretty good after the 0-24 UAlbany Game and before his injury. Subtract the Albany game and the Maryland playoff (that he played despite his injury) from his season stats and he was 140-104 for 57%. Take out the Lehigh Game when he got injured and he was 133-86 for 63%. Only 6 players did better than that in D1 last year.
Four, counting Mitch Rothstein (https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=48413). If nothing else, we'll have a nice rotation of FOGOs and wear down most other teams' FOGOs.
Of course, any individual FOGO's success also will depend heavily on wing play.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I'll take two solid FOGO's. Let the best man win!
Then the best man wins. The other guy withdraws. The best men gets hurt. Viz Clemson football
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TimVThree guys - counting Rasimovicz who was pretty good after the 0-24 UAlbany Game and before his injury. Subtract the Albany game and the Maryland playoff (that he played despite his injury) from his season stats and he was 140-104 for 57%. Take out the Lehigh Game when he got injured and he was 133-86 for 63%. Only 6 players did better than that in D1 last year.
Four, counting Mitch Rothstein (https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=48413). If nothing else, we'll have a nice rotation of FOGOs and wear down most other teams' FOGOs. Of course, any individual FOGO's success also will depend heavily on wing play.
Maybe one could be a bruiser who bowls over the opponent face-guarding Jeff Teat. Sort of like the unheralded fullbacks who blew the whole open for Ed Marinaro. Dick Storto and then Bob Joehl, I believe their names were. Sorry, people under 50. This for you is like me being forced to believe Cornell football in the depression years was worth being told about.
Men's Lacrosse (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/10/9/mens-lacrosse-to-host-maryland-nazareth-on-sunday.aspx) to host Maryland, Nazareth this Sunday.
Quote from: George64Men's Lacrosse (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/10/9/mens-lacrosse-to-host-maryland-nazareth-on-sunday.aspx) to host Maryland, Nazareth this Sunday.
Huh. Lax is a Fall sport now?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: George64Men's Lacrosse (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/10/9/mens-lacrosse-to-host-maryland-nazareth-on-sunday.aspx) to host Maryland, Nazareth this Sunday.
Huh. Lax is a Fall sport now?
Fall Ball that all teams play now.
Haven't seen any details, but Cornell 16-14 over Maryland in today's scrimmage.
Quote from: scoop85Haven't seen any details, but Cornell 16-14 over Maryland in today's scrimmage.
Would be interested in how MD marked Teat. If shut off for all or part of the game, how did we respond?
Story on Scrimmage from Inside Lacrosse (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/tewaaraton-worthy-stars-compete-and-more-as-cornell-hosts-maryland/53175)
Photos from Scrimmage (https://www.richbarnesphotography.com/2018-NCAA-Lacrosse/NCAA-MLax-Maryland-at-Cornell-101418/i-kCvWbLN)
From the forum at fanlax.com:
Quote from: rmredlaxwas at the scrimmage yesterday and it was a beautiful, fall day in Ithaca!
As noted in the IL lacrosse article it was a very competitive, fairly even game, back and forth and plenty of action. CU took more control of the game in the 3rd/early 4th before players were subbed. Clock had minimal effect and at times, the refs had some issue keeping up with the 20 second rule.
There was no face-guarding JT but the highlight for sure was Connor Fletcer bulldozzing his defender from outside on his run for a goal. Certainly got everyone on the Big Red side and sideline excited.
This should be a fun season!
Some highlights from Sunday's scrimmage: https://youtu.be/ncOSxFfEhiY
Quote from: CU77From the forum at fanlax.com:
Quote from: rmredlaxwas at the scrimmage yesterday and it was a beautiful, fall day in Ithaca!
As noted in the IL lacrosse article it was a very competitive, fairly even game, back and forth and plenty of action. CU took more control of the game in the 3rd/early 4th before players were subbed. Clock had minimal effect and at times, the refs had some issue keeping up with the 20 second rule.
There was no face-guarding JT but the highlight for sure was Connor Fletcer bulldozzing his defender from outside on his run for a goal. Certainly got everyone on the Big Red side and sideline excited.
This should be a fun season!
Hmmm. Posted by
"rmredlax"...Now I wonder who that could be?::wtf::
I still dont understand why we can have off season practice and "scrimmages" for sports like Lax but fball cant be in the FCS playoffs..
Quote from: upprdeckI still dont understand why we can have off season practice and "scrimmages" for sports like Lax but fball cant be in the FCS playoffs..
Optics. Ivy branding depends on appearing, conspicuously, above it all.
The label
is the product.
Ivy tournament at Columbia again in 2019. Women, too.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/columbia-to-host-ivy-league-men-s-and-women-s-tournaments-in-2019/53381
Inside Lacrosse ranks the "Top Incoming Men's Classes" (from September)
Virginia is #1, Yale is 2
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/2018-recruiting-issue-top-incoming-mens-classes/89?slide=19
Cornell #9
Under Armour All-Americans bookend the field in John John Lombardi (Salisbury, Conn.) at attack and Chayse Ierlan (Victor, N.Y.) in goal. Lombardi is a strong, dual threat who evokes memories of Rob Pannell, while Ierlan had an illustrious high school career. The offense will get contributions from Billy Coyle (Malvern Prep, Pa. / Hill Academy, Ont.), Henry Follows (Hill Academy, Ont.) and Billy Chabot (Rye, N.Y.), while a stable of longpoles is led by JQ Stramanak (Spalding, Md.)
Supposedly the Ivy football title is the THING.
Quote from: jeff '84Inside Lacrosse ranks the "Top Incoming Men's Classes" (from September)
Virginia is #1, Yale is 2
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/2018-recruiting-issue-top-incoming-mens-classes/89?slide=19
Cornell #9
Under Armour All-Americans bookend the field in John John Lombardi (Salisbury, Conn.) at attack and Chayse Ierlan (Victor, N.Y.) in goal. Lombardi is a strong, dual threat who evokes memories of Rob Pannell, while Ierlan had an illustrious high school career. The offense will get contributions from Billy Coyle (Malvern Prep, Pa. / Hill Academy, Ont.), Henry Follows (Hill Academy, Ont.) and Billy Chabot (Rye, N.Y.), while a stable of longpoles is led by JQ Stramanak (Spalding, Md.)
Can't wait for the season to begin!
First pre-season lacrosse poll:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2019-face-off-yearbook-men-s-di-top-25/53400
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/12/5/mens-lacrosse-picked-fifth-in-inside-lacrosse-preseason-poll.aspx
We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.
Quote from: TimVWe're under-rated. S'OK though.
I think so, too. Teat should have been on the IL cover, though.
Quote from: TimVWe're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.
Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.
Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.
One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: TimVWe're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.
Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.
Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.
One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TimVWe're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.
Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.
Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.
One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.
True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.
In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TimVWe're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.
Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.
Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.
One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.
True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.
In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.
My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ. No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy. Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.
Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves. Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's. Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season. Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again. Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score. Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered. Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TimVWe're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.
Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.
Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.
One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.
True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.
In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.
My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ. No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy. Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.
Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves. Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's. Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season. Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again. Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score. Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered. Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.
My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.
I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyQuote from: TimVWe're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.
Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.
Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.
One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.
True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.
In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.
My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ. No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy. Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.
Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves. Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's. Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season. Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again. Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score. Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered. Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.
My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.
I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.
Yale didn't use the SOT but my point was that playing straight up the national champs got their asses kicked, so they weren't so superior to everyone else.
In the second half, Reeves scored early in the third to tie the game at 6, again with no slide to help Wallace. Later in the third, Cornell slid twice to Reeves, the first by Doria when Reeves was out of scoring range and the guy Doria was marking, Morrill (after a switch, apparently) was well behind the net and not in position for an easy feed from Reeves. Reeves did try to get the ball to Morrill but the pass was short, Morrill fumbled it, and Cornell picked it up.The second slide was by Pulver from Knight's right as Reeves was coming from behind to Knight's left (as Reeves ALWAYS did), again making for a difficult pass to the guy Pulver slid from, and Reeves wisely didn't risk it.
In the first two minutes of the fourth period, Reeves made his move twice, again with no slide. First time he went east-west and passed back to Warner who had a clear path to the net. Knight stoned him. A minute later Reeves again came from behind the net to Knight's left, no slide, and fed Morrill, who somehow slipped behind Pulver, right on the crease. Knight stoned him, too. Later in the game, after Cornell opened a good lead, Pulver did slide to Reeves, and Doria did again on yet again a Reeves move from behind to Knight's left, but this last time with 1:20 left in a game that was over long before.
As I wrote above, "no Cornell defender slid to him
from a Yale player in a position to score." I'll modify that to add "when the game was still in doubt."
Yale took a different approach with Teat: sliding anyone and everyone to him (except when poor Sessa wound up with him, strangely enough), and it burned them again and again.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Swampy... Other posts deleted ...
My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.
I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.
Yale didn't use the SOT but my point was that playing straight up the national champs got their asses kicked, so they weren't so superior to everyone else.
Agreed.
But I maintain that had we demonstrated the ability to overcome SOT against very top-level teams, unlike the quarterfinal loss to Maryland which we lost by 5 goals, we would be ranked higher than #5 this year.
So I don't see us disagreeing as much as talking past each other.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioIn the second half, Reeves scored early in the third to tie the game at 6, again with no slide to help Wallace. Later in the third, Cornell slid twice to Reeves, the first by Doria when Reeves was out of scoring range and the guy Doria was marking, Morrill (after a switch, apparently) was well behind the net and not in position for an easy feed from Reeves. Reeves did try to get the ball to Morrill but the pass was short, Morrill fumbled it, and Cornell picked it up.The second slide was by Pulver from Knight's right as Reeves was coming from behind to Knight's left (as Reeves ALWAYS did), again making for a difficult pass to the guy Pulver slid from, and Reeves wisely didn't risk it.
In the first two minutes of the fourth period, Reeves made his move twice, again with no slide. First time he went east-west and passed back to Warner who had a clear path to the net. Knight stoned him. A minute later Reeves again came from behind the net to Knight's left, no slide, and fed Morrill, who somehow slipped behind Pulver, right on the crease. Knight stoned him, too. Later in the game, after Cornell opened a good lead, Pulver did slide to Reeves, and Doria did again on yet again a Reeves move from behind to Knight's left, but this last time with 1:20 left in a game that was over long before.
As I wrote above, "no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score." I'll modify that to add "when the game was still in doubt."
Yale took a different approach with Teat: sliding anyone and everyone to him (except when poor Sessa wound up with him, strangely enough), and it burned them again and again.
Wow! Do you recall all this detail from memory, or did you review the game film before composing your post? Either way, I'm very impressed.
Quote from: SwampyBut I maintain that had we demonstrated the ability to overcome SOT against very top-level teams, unlike the quarterfinal loss to Maryland which we lost by 5 goals, we would be ranked higher than #5 this year.
Agree. Doesn't take anything away from beating #1-ranked and eventual national champ Yale straight up in a game that mattered.
QuoteWow! Do you recall all this detail from memory, or did you review the game film before composing your post? Either way, I'm very impressed.
Have watched that game several times as there's much you can learn about lacrosse offense and defense in analyzing both team's goals, and understanding why Yale managed not one legitimate assisted goal.
We don't have a "Lacrosse Opponents" thread, so I'm posting here something to add to the "Ugh! (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/yale-s-shay-lenoir-rhyne-s-paradine-york-s-childs-named-coaches-of-the-year-more-honors/53414)" department. ::doh::
Quote from: TimVMy information (directly from the coaching staff) is that he is enrolling in January and is eligible immediately.
Official announcement. (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/12/14/mens-lacrosse-australian-national-team-member-tim-graham-to-join-mens-lax.aspx)
And, in the same announcement, a 29 year old ex-marine sniper. An actual sniper.
Don't f*** with us Yale. ::moon::
Inside Lacrosse ranks JT51 the #4 NCAA player in the country (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/top-50-players-in-ncaa-lacrosse-25-1/99?slide=21), and the 2nd male player.
Teat, McCulloch and Bray – have been named to Inside Lacrosse Preseason All-Ivy Team (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/1/9/mens-lacrosse-big-red-trio-named-preseason-all-ivy-by-inside-lacrosse.aspx)
Teat chosen as its Ivy Player of the Year.
Quote from: SwampyInside Lacrosse ranks JT51 the #4 NCAA player in the country (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/top-50-players-in-ncaa-lacrosse-25-1/99?slide=21), and the 2nd male player.
And TD Ierlan, now of Yale, is #5. Wonder how close the competition really was between Cornell and Yale to get Ierlan?
In my kinda humble opinion Yale is monstrously overrated. The same annual rates Yale as the Number 2 attack unit, the number 2 defense unit, the number 2 midfield and the number1 specialist (LSM, G, and Faceoff) unit in the country.
This after losing the Tewaarton award and leading scorer from last year, and relying on a thin defense that assumes their boy wonder defenseman Chris Fake will not have a sophomore slump or have offenses devise solutions for him. The goaltender got good all of a sudden at the end of the year and will probably revert to the mean. I like our attack much better, our SSDMs, our goaltending, and especially our faceoff unit - Racimovicz, Graham,and Hunter as much deeper than Yales. That will be beneficial in shootout games where there may be 25 or more faceoffs. Our big question is the close D, and the impact of the new shot clock.
Inside Lacrosse is notorious for basing these ratings on the previous year's performance
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-season-returns-to-spotlight-cornell-florida-in-2019/53556
QuoteSTX and Inside Lacrosse are pleased to announce "The Season 2019," a five-chapter multi-platform video and digital content series that will spotlight two of the sport's most interesting programs: the historic Cornell Big Red men's team, and the hard-charging Florida Gators' women's team.
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After leading the Big Red to an NCAA Quarterfinal appearance as the interim head coach last spring, Peter Milliman will aim to build on that success in his first full-time season. Cornell is led by a pair of preseason All-Americans in first-team attackman Jeff Teat and third-team midfielder Jake McCulloch and enter the season ranked No. 5 in Face-Off Yearbook.
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The Season 2019 will build on the foundation laid by last year's groundbreaking effort, a four-team, 10-episode effort that amassed 1.4 million views across YouTube and ESPNU, making it one of the most substantial series in lacrosse history. Jason Ryan Creative is back on board to lead the production and bring their eye for compelling sports storytelling once again.
"The Season 2019" Chapter 1 will debut on Thursday, Feb. 14., and will include a behind-the-scenes look at the Gators' and Big Red's fall and return to campus after winter break. Visit www.TheSeason2019.com to subscribe and ensure you receive all the latest content as soon as it's available.
http://www.TheSeason2019.com
Quote from: CU77https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/the-season-returns-to-spotlight-cornell-florida-in-2019/53556
QuoteSTX and Inside Lacrosse are pleased to announce "The Season 2019," a five-chapter multi-platform video and digital content series that will spotlight two of the sport's most interesting programs: the historic Cornell Big Red men's team, and the hard-charging Florida Gators' women's team.
...
After leading the Big Red to an NCAA Quarterfinal appearance as the interim head coach last spring, Peter Milliman will aim to build on that success in his first full-time season. Cornell is led by a pair of preseason All-Americans in first-team attackman Jeff Teat and third-team midfielder Jake McCulloch and enter the season ranked No. 5 in Face-Off Yearbook.
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The Season 2019 will build on the foundation laid by last year's groundbreaking effort, a four-team, 10-episode effort that amassed 1.4 million views across YouTube and ESPNU, making it one of the most substantial series in lacrosse history. Jason Ryan Creative is back on board to lead the production and bring their eye for compelling sports storytelling once again.
"The Season 2019" Chapter 1 will debut on Thursday, Feb. 14., and will include a behind-the-scenes look at the Gators' and Big Red's fall and return to campus after winter break. Visit www.TheSeason2019.com to subscribe and ensure you receive all the latest content as soon as it's available.
http://www.TheSeason2019.com
Way cool! ::dribble::
Duke and UNC have probably played three, four games already. Our 0-0 record until February may help us in the polls if it's like Cornell hockey in the last 3 weeks of December.
Actually today is the first day of practice for all non-Ivys, per NCAA rule. First games are Feb.2.
Looking at the schedule to see which home and road games are especially interesting, which might merit a trip back the. Of the pre-season top 20, we play 1, 8 and 10, plus 11, 13, 17, 19. Only #19 Princeton is at home.
Hobart at Hobart Feb. 24, is this a joke? A Friday game, if you go you won't get home in time to see RPI hockey at Lynah except the final period. Unless I missed the Lake Trouters construction of a dome ... a Friday game ... at dusk ... in winter ... where the average high temp in February is just above freezing at 2 pm. Then we skate against Union Saturday night, then Bucknell lax at Schoellkopf Sunday 1 pm. This could be a decent sports weekend. Ohio State wrestles at Friedman for Cornell's last dual match, Friday 6:30.
Yale lax is at home to Cornell Satureday, 3/16, 1 pm. 2 hours to play the game, 4.5 hours / 250 miles back to Lynah and you'd make the second period of the ECAC quarterfinals if you gassed up before parking in New Haven. This is the only away game in March (plus 2 neutral site games 3/8-9 in Charlotte).
St. Bonaventure lax at Schoellkopf Tuesday 3/19. The Bonnies' first year of D1 lacrosse. Unless Teat gets 10+ points, was it worth stepping back from playing, say, Bucknell or Army? Or Colgate?
Penn 3/23, Harvard 4/6, Syracuse 4/9 Tuesday 7 pm, Brown are all on the road. Albany 3/2, Penn 3/23 (hockey-in-Lake-Placid weekend), Princeton 4/27 at noon are home. Penn State and Towson are neutral field 3/8, 3/10 in Charlotte.
Gone from 2018: Colgate (after playing the past six seasons), Binghamton (10 matchups 2004-2018 from C9-6 to C19-4), Air Force.
We play:
1. Yale
2. Duke
3. Maryland
4. Cornell
5. Virginia
6. Loyola
7. Hopkins
8. ND
9. Denver
10. Syracuse
11. Penn State
12. UNC
13. Lehigh
14. Rutgers
15. TOSU
16. UMass
17. Albany
18. Georgetown
19. Princeton
20. Marquette
If I read this correctly, you list UAlbany on3/2 twice. Only the home game is correct.
Season preview at US Lacrosse: https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/milliman-cornell-hope-to-carry-winning-tradition-into-2019
Quote from: Al DeFlorioSeason preview at US Lacrosse: https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/milliman-cornell-hope-to-carry-winning-tradition-into-2019
Thanks! The article is very informative, even though it doesn't mention the reinforcements we have coming in for faceoffs and for an already stellar attack. But most conspicuous, the article itself doesn't mention what most of us see as the biggest obstacle facing the Big Red this season. This was left to the article's "Enemy Lines" section, where presumably an opposing coach said:
Quote from: AnonymousThey have to figure out how to deal with what people do with Teat.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioSeason preview at US Lacrosse: https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/milliman-cornell-hope-to-carry-winning-tradition-into-2019
Thanks! The article is very informative, even though it doesn't mention the reinforcements we have coming in for faceoffs and for an already stellar attack. But most conspicuous, the article itself doesn't mention what most of us see as the biggest obstacle facing the Big Red this season. This was left to the article's "Enemy Lines" section, where presumably an opposing coach said:
Quote from: AnonymousThey have to figure out how to deal with what people do with Teat.
Yep, that's my concern, too. We shall see.
Quote from: Swampypresumably an opposing coach said:
Quote from: AnonymousThey have to figure out how to deal with what people do with Teat.
::deadhorse::::deadhorse::::deadhorse::
Jeez people! Stop it. I guarantee you the coaching staff has worked this out. This team has a lot more this year that opposing defenses have to deal with, especially if Connor Fletcher steps up and fixes his shot accuracy. Jake McCulloch and Jon Donville are serious midfield threats and I expect to see a lot of JJ Lombardi seeing midfield time. Lombardi can both shoot and feed, and the idea of feeding from the top to cutters from behind and the wings when the defense is spread too far to slide will cause serious matchup problems to the defenses. We've fixed faceoffs. My main worry is the poles. Doria is fine, Fleet Wallace needs to be more...fleet. We need a third close D to step up. Maybe Max Fields will be ready.
We'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors. We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: Swampypresumably an opposing coach said:
Quote from: AnonymousThey have to figure out how to deal with what people do with Teat.
::deadhorse::::deadhorse::::deadhorse::
Jeez people! Stop it. I guarantee you the coaching staff has worked this out. This team has a lot more this year that opposing defenses have to deal with, especially if Connor Fletcher steps up and fixes his shot accuracy. Jake McCulloch and Jon Donville are serious midfield threats and I expect to see a lot of JJ Lombardi seeing midfield time. Lombardi can both shoot and feed, and the idea of feeding from the top to cutters from behind and the wings when the defense is spread too far to slide will cause serious matchup problems to the defenses. We've fixed faceoffs. My main worry is the poles. Doria is fine, Fleet Wallace needs to be more...fleet. We need a third close D to step up. Maybe Max Fields will be ready.
We'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors. We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.
I wonder if we'll see more recruits from Canada based on your last statement?
Quote from: TimVWe'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors. We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.
Interesting chart here showing, by team, percentage of 2018 goals scored after 80 seconds:
https://lacrossereference.com/2019/01/28/shot-clock-wisdom-of-the-crowd/?utm_source=So
Note that all three teams that beat Yale last season are on the list (#1, #8, and #9).
Quote from: TimVQuote from: Swampypresumably an opposing coach said:
Quote from: AnonymousThey have to figure out how to deal with what people do with Teat.
::deadhorse::::deadhorse::::deadhorse::
Jeez people! Stop it. I guarantee you the coaching staff has worked this out. This team has a lot more this year that opposing defenses have to deal with, especially if Connor Fletcher steps up and fixes his shot accuracy. Jake McCulloch and Jon Donville are serious midfield threats and I expect to see a lot of JJ Lombardi seeing midfield time. Lombardi can both shoot and feed, and the idea of feeding from the top to cutters from behind and the wings when the defense is spread too far to slide will cause serious matchup problems to the defenses. We've fixed faceoffs. My main worry is the poles. Doria is fine, Fleet Wallace needs to be more...fleet. We need a third close D to step up. Maybe Max Fields will be ready.
We'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors. We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.
Actually, I almost totally agree with you. I'm sanguine about GK, but close D still has to prove itself. And yes, Fleet Wallace -- the most likely candidate to take over Jake Pulver's role -- needs to be quicker. (Just look at the first half of the ILT championship last year.) And we have a lot more firepower this year. Obviously the Brown and Maryland tourney games gave the coaching staff something to think about over the summer, and surely they came up with some plans. But the proof of the pudding will still be in the eating.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TimVWe'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors. We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.
Interesting chart here showing, by team, percentage of 2018 goals scored after 80 seconds:
https://lacrossereference.com/2019/01/28/shot-clock-wisdom-of-the-crowd/?utm_source=So
Note that all three teams that beat Yale last season are on the list (#1, #8, and #9).
This and the analysis along with the chart bring up very interesting points about the new 80 second rule. Three addition thoughts:
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- The time limit on the opponents' offenses should give the ball more often to our high-powered offense.
- The time limit on our offense should put more pressure on our defense, so depth may become a major issue.
- Defenses will be changing their tactics to take advantage of the new 80-second clock.
Also, I wish the article on 2018 scoring had also compared all teams that made the NC$$ tourney. Also also, data on turnovers by these elite teams (both the original table's % of goals after 80 seconds among the 20 most efficient teams and my wished for teams that made it to the dance) would be helpful. The article says, "patience in a possession is more likely to cause a turnover than it is to result in a great chance." But is this true about the very best teams that seriously challenged for the NC?
Yale beat Syracuse in a scrimmage today 18-14. Yale lead 12-4 at half. All this info courtesy of Syracuse lax message board
When it says scoring after 80 secs does that only count when teams run it around for 80 secs and then shoots or is that also if a team takes 3-4-5- shots gets it back and finally scores after 80 secs?
Quote from: upprdeckWhen it says scoring after 80 secs does that only count when teams run it around for 80 secs and then shoots or is that also if a team takes 3-4-5- shots gets it back and finally scores after 80 secs?
Good point. The implication in the article is that 80 seconds or more goes by before a single scoring shot. That may not be true if multiple shots are taken (by an "impatient" offense) but do not result in goals or turnovers, until finally, after 80 seconds, one goes in.
My reading is you have:
* 20 seconds to get the ball across midfield (as now), then the 20-second part ends, and you have
* 60 seconds to get off a shot, and the shot has to be
* a goal, or a stop that was on-net, or (I believe) a shot off the pipe
* a wide shot retains possession for the attackers but the clock doesn't reset (otherwise you'd encourage wild SOGs around 55 seconds elapsed)
The referees will keep the 20-second clock but the 60-second clock is visible. It's 80 seconds total only if you get the ball across midfield at 19.9 seconds
https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-09-12/mens-lacrosse-adds-80-second-shot-clock-2019
Others may have guidance on what happens if the shot hits a defending player, or a defender in front of the goal. It sounds like that's a play-on situation and the clock keeps rolling.
Quote from: billhowardMy reading is you have:
* 20 seconds to get the ball across midfield (as now), then the 20-second part ends, and you have
* 60 seconds to get off a shot, and the shot has to be
* a goal, or a stop that was on-net, or (I believe) a shot off the pipe
* a wide shot retains possession for the attackers but the clock doesn't reset (otherwise you'd encourage wild SOGs around 55 seconds elapsed)
The referees will keep the 20-second clock but the 60-second clock is visible. It's 80 seconds total only if you get the ball across midfield at 19.9 seconds
https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-09-12/mens-lacrosse-adds-80-second-shot-clock-2019
Others may have guidance on what happens if the shot hits a defending player, or a defender in front of the goal. It sounds like that's a play-on situation and the clock keeps rolling.
Bill, based on this quote from the article you cited: "If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation," it sounds like teams will have 80 seconds per possession. If you clear effectively, you get a few more ticks on the offensive end. That assumes the NCAA knows their own rules, which is probably a large assumption.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: billhowardMy reading is you have:
* 20 seconds to get the ball across midfield (as now), then the 20-second part ends, and you have
* 60 seconds to get off a shot, and the shot has to be
* a goal, or a stop that was on-net, or (I believe) a shot off the pipe
* a wide shot retains possession for the attackers but the clock doesn't reset (otherwise you'd encourage wild SOGs around 55 seconds elapsed)
The referees will keep the 20-second clock but the 60-second clock is visible. It's 80 seconds total only if you get the ball across midfield at 19.9 seconds
https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-09-12/mens-lacrosse-adds-80-second-shot-clock-2019
Others may have guidance on what happens if the shot hits a defending player, or a defender in front of the goal. It sounds like that's a play-on situation and the clock keeps rolling.
Bill, based on this quote from the article you cited: "If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation," it sounds like teams will have 80 seconds per possession. If you clear effectively, you get a few more ticks on the offensive end. That assumes the NCAA knows their own rules, which is probably a large assumption.
FYP
Sorry, the bullet points are mine. My reading was the refs count the 20 by hand or a wristwatch and then at midfield there's a 60-second counter. But there are these words from an NCAA article:
Quote from: NCAAThe shot clock will include a 20-second clearing count, during which players must advance the ball across the midfield line with the over-and-back provision in effect. If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation. +
If so then it's 80 and if you get it across in 10 seconds you've got 70 more to shoot.
Quote from: billhowardSorry, the bullet points are mine. My reading was the refs count the 20 by hand or a wristwatch and then at midfield there's a 60-second counter. But there are these words from an NCAA article:
Quote from: NCAAThe shot clock will include a 20-second clearing count, during which players must advance the ball across the midfield line with the over-and-back provision in effect. If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation. +
If so then it's 80 and if you get it across in 10 seconds you've got 70 more to shoot.
Last year Yale routinely employed a hard ride, which tended to keep opposing teams in their defensive zone. But in the ILT we handled it quite well. If the clock works this way, look for Milliman & Co. to emphasize fast clears.
Preseason video for the team from lax.com:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHQyiOfdEro
Towson 17-8 over Hopkins today. They're at Schoellkopf March 10, two days after Penn State visits.
Anyone have feedback on today's scrimmages at Drexel?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioTowson 17-8 over Hopkins today. They're at Schoellkopf March 10, two days after Penn State visits.
Not in Ithaca. Double header weekend in Charlotte NC. Probably no TV. I might have to make that trip.
tough schedule to play 3 games in 7 days and almost do it 2 weeks in a row with 3 of them on the road
Quote from: upprdecktough schedule to play 3 games in 7 days and almost do it 2 weeks in a row with 3 of them on the road
Based on the way Towson looked smashing Hopkins, agree that a two day turnaround after facing a tough Penn State team will be a challenge. Still, it's the same deal on championship weekend with tougher opponents. And those two followed by Natty Champ Yale are actually three games in 9 days. Harvard-Syracuse-Notre Dame is also 9 days but less travel. If all goes well we get another three games in nine days with the Princeton-Ivy semifinals-Ivy finals, although that, at least, starts with a home game.
Weird schedule this year.
Report on yesterday's scrimmages against Drexel and Binghamton in Philly:
Quote from: lgr2019Attended both scrims yesterday. Coooooooold and windy. While I don't have a final score for either, Cornell dominated Drexel from start to finish in the first game, and, well, got dominated in the second (playing only backups and young guys). McCulloch did not play with what I was told a shoulder injury but should be back for the Hobart game. Paul took the draws, Bullen manned the cage. No lock-off of on Teat (as expected, though it would have been nice to see how they handle it). Scoring was pretty spread out, but the shot of the day was an absolute rocket from Fletcher that nicely pinged the top bar. If he can be accurate with his shot he will be one of the best middie's in the country. As far as looking forward to Hobart, it appears this is the offensive depth chart:
A1: Teat, Petterson, Piatelli
A2: Rupp, Coyle, Texeira, Lockhart
M1: McCulloch, Fletcher, Donville
M2: Licciardi, Ward, Telesco
M3: Wolf, Lombardi, Duggan
Karey, Doria, Wallace and Sal were the poles. Defense I thought looked fantastic for this early in the year and battled off a super physical Drexel team. Although they didn't get much run because it seemed Cornell had the ball for about 20 minutes straight at one point.
All in all, should be an awesome year if that scrimmage is any indicator.
http://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=374&p=24081#p24053
Quote from: TimVStill, it's the same deal on championship weekend with tougher opponents.
well, sure, but unless your regular season opponent has the same turnaround, it's not like the tournament
This report was furnished to me by an attendee to yesterday's scrimmages:
QuoteThe weather was brutal, temperature about 30 with a continuous 15-20 mph crosswind. Wind chill in the high teens. Players wore uniforms with lower legs exposed. Not sure if a fair evaluation can be given under such adverse conditions, but suffice to say the players deserve kudos for their courage - they played as if ignoring the weather. The first scrimmage was against Drexel. Caelahn Bullen started in goal and played 3 quarters. His save % was about 50%. Cornell, playing first line players led 9-2 at the half. The final score was Cornell 14, Drexel 10. Jeff Teat had 4 assists & 1 goal. I'm sure the Big Red coaches were disappointed that Drexel did not try to lock off Jeff. No doubt, they would have liked to work on whatever solutions they think might work. Clarke Petterson had 2 goals as did Colton Rupp. John Piatelli had 3. Cooper Telesco looked great, scoring the 9th goal and Connor Fletcher scored on a rocket. Zach Ward and Joe Wolf had 1 each and Jonathan Donville chipped in 2. Great scoring distribution. The starting defense looked pretty good, holding Drexel's starters to 2 goals in the first half. As subs sprinkled in in the 2nd half, Drexel closed the gap, outscoring Cornell 8-5. Chayse Ierlan replaced Bullen in the 4th quarter and saved about 50% as well.
Chayse started the second scrimmage against Binghamton and played a half. He was relieved by Parker Henderer for the 2nd half. Both looked effective, again saving about half the shots. Would have liked to see Teddy Strzetelski between the pipes but he did not play. Colton Rupp played most of the second scrimmage, one of the few top line players to do so. He scored 4 goals. Binghamton led at the half 6-4 - it was 3-0 before Cornell first scored. The Big Red finally caught up late in the 4th quarter 8-8 and with about a minute left, JJ Lombardi scored to win the scrimmage 9-8. There was a clock at the field for the first scrimmage but not for the 2nd scrimmage that was played on a different field.
Faceoffs: Paul Rasimowicz and Tim Graham (from Australia) shared faceoff duties against Drexel. Against Binghamton, Graham shared duties with Hunter Hughes (the 27 year old Marine). I don't think Paul took any faceoffs in the second scrimmage. The faceoff unit needs work and they have 2 weeks to get ready for Hobart.
Time Clock: It did not appear the 80 second time clock had a significant impact on play. I only recall 2 times when a team lost possession on a clock violation. A shot determined by the refs to be on cage resulted in another 80 seconds being awarded. If yesterday's action was any indication, if the Rules Committee wanted the time clock to change something, it didn't.
Overall perception: Cornell has two solid attack lines and two solid midfield lines. The defensive middies did OK. Kason Tarbell looked good & his leadership as a 5th year Senior will be helpful. Colton Rupp's game has improved - rather than sniping from a fixed position, most of his goals were closer in with dodging. Jake McCulloch didn't play but I understand he is OK and ready to go. Joe Wolf looks much improved and will contribute. The Big Red has two solid goalies in Bullen & Ierlan. Fleet Wallace, Brandon Salvatore, Harrison Bardwell & Dom Doria did well. Big shoes to fill with Jake Pulver's graduation but they did well.
With all the tall trees being chopped down, Duke, Syracuse, Johns Hopkins, the Big Red needs to stay down on the farm, ignore preseason rankings and play as if they are ranked 30th as they were at the beginning of 2018. Stay hungry BIG RED! GBR!
Someone has probably already mentioned this, but every game except the two for the Crown Lacrosse Classic will be televised this year one one of the various ESPN channels. ESPN+ has most of them, but it's only about 5 dollars a month. It's going to be a very fun year for those of us living far from Ithaca.
Did anyone watch episode 1 of "The Season" (featuring Cornell's men's team and Florida's women's team) last night (2/14) on ESPNU? I didn't see it so I'm wondering if it was any good--according to cornellbigred.com:
Quote from: cornellbigred.comThe episode will also be available on at www.TheSeason2019.com beginning on Monday, Feb. 18.
Does anyone know if that is a paid subscription? I see that "The Season" episodes from 2018 are on YouTube, but I don't know how long that takes.
for a huge company the presentation layer of the watchespn app is just awful. its so hard/slow/painful to find things
the website for the season has no real info either.. the first episode is being replayed at 12:30 today on espnu
watched the Season tonight.. Did a good job of trying to show the commitment the team has to hard work.. some really nice drone shots of campus and the city. featured Coach, Teat, and the Aussie really well.
about half and half with the Florida team and how their SRs want to win a title.
very watchable.
Cornell Men practicing in snow and Florida "Women" in sun was a nice contrast.
colgate handled Bingo pretty easily
yale with a huge comeback to tie Vill and go to OT and Loses
Brown drilled Quin
And Penn takes Maryland to OT and loses. Harvard loses to UNC. Princeton crushes Monmouth, Dartmouth crushed by BU.
Why is Cornell the only Ivy not playing this week??
Quote from: CU77And Penn takes Maryland to OT and loses. Harvard loses to UNC. Princeton crushes Monmouth, Dartmouth crushed by BU.
Why is Cornell the only Ivy not playing this week??
Because Ithaca is awfully cold in February?
Harvard played in North Carolina.
OK. Here's a more serious (guess at an) answer.
Milliman has put together an ambitious schedule, with several short turnarounds between games against some very good teams. Here I've grouped games separated by less than a week apart and boldfaced those with 2 days separation and italicized those with 3. The numbers are rankings in the Inside Lacrosse preseason poll.
F 2/22: @ Hobart
Su 2/24: Lehigh
Sa 3/2: Albany 14
F 3/8: Penn State (in Charlotte) 9
Su 3/10: Towson (in Charlotte) 7*#
Sa 3/16: @Yale 1
T 3/19: St. Bonaventure
Sa 3/23: Penn#
Sa 3/30: Dartmouth
Sa 4/6: @Harvard
T 4/9: @Syracuse 10
Su 4/14: @Notre Dame 11
Sa 4/20: @Brown
Sa 4/27: Princeton
Now look at this tournament (https://www.ncaa.com/tickets/lacrosse-men/d1), and you'll see a remarkable resemblance to the schedule Coach Milliman wants our boys to get used to. What do you suppose he has in mind?
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*Towson was unranked preseason but jumped to 7 after crushing JHU Week 1.
#Both Penn & Towson received preseason votes but did not make top 20.
Quote from: upprdeckwatched the Season tonight.. Did a good job of trying to show the commitment the team has to hard work.. some really nice drone shots of campus and the city. featured Coach, Teat, and the Aussie really well.
about half and half with the Florida team and how their SRs want to win a title.
very watchable.
Cornell Men practicing in snow and Florida "Women" in sun was a nice contrast.
Why the quotation marks?
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: upprdeckwatched the Season tonight.. Did a good job of trying to show the commitment the team has to hard work.. some really nice drone shots of campus and the city. featured Coach, Teat, and the Aussie really well.
about half and half with the Florida team and how their SRs want to win a title.
very watchable.
Cornell Men practicing in snow and Florida "Women" in sun was a nice contrast.
Why the quotation marks?
This? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,219356,219357#msg-219357)
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: upprdeckwatched the Season tonight.. Did a good job of trying to show the commitment the team has to hard work.. some really nice drone shots of campus and the city. featured Coach, Teat, and the Aussie really well.
about half and half with the Florida team and how their SRs want to win a title.
very watchable.
Cornell Men practicing in snow and Florida "Women" in sun was a nice contrast.
Why the quotation marks?
just busting my balls
This just came to my inbox from STX (https://theseason2019.com/mens-lacrosse/chapter-1/?utm_campaign=The%20Season%202019%20-%20Chapter%201%20%28Master%29%20%28M753vy%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Master%20List&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ1cHBlcmRlY2tAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQiLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJQTkVTckMifQ%3D%3D)
Quote from: upprdeckThis just came to my inbox from STX (https://theseason2019.com/mens-lacrosse/chapter-1/?utm_campaign=The%20Season%202019%20-%20Chapter%201%20%28Master%29%20%28M753vy%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Master%20List&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ1cHBlcmRlY2tAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQiLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJQTkVTckMifQ%3D%3D)
Enjoyable segment. Great human interest angle with our new Aussie FOGO Tim Graham. Certainly paints the program in a favorable light, and Milliman comes off as an excellent leader.
decent weather for the game tonight it looks like.
Roku option today?
Webcast for the game today:
https://hwsathletics.com/watch/?Live=1003&type=Live
3-2 Hobart mid-first; no effort to free up Teat yet.
6-4 Cornell after one; faceoffs 7-4 Hobart, no sign of the Aussie.
Quote from: Al DeFlorio3-2 Hobart mid-first; no effort to free up Teat yet.
6-4 after the first.
Very sloppy second period; Cornell 7 for 9 on clears, Hobart 7 for 14!
Tria taking most faceoffs; score 9-6 Cornell 4+ left in half.
10-8 late first half; Bullen hasn't impressed - 6 saves, 8 goals; our D guys slipping a lot. Shoes?
11-8 halftime
he made 6 saves in half the 1st quarter then none the last 15-20 min..
Really looks like a first game -- occasional terrific plays, unsettled goals, and a couple of spectacular passes by Teat. It's hard to complain when the offense has scored 11 goals in the first half.
The defense is a little bit of a disappointment. The help needs to come [edit] -- like Thor's hammer -- [end edit] on those lefty shots around and in front of the goal. It's too easy sometimes.
Love seeing lacrosse again!
it was like watching the hockey team with some of the crazy cross field passes that led to hobart goals
Graham took a faceoff; push gave it to Hobart.
Ierlan in for Bullen.
16-12 Red after 3. Offense has been good, defense has not. Ierlan came in near the end of the 3rd and made a nice save.
I don't know about anyone else watching the game, but the frenetic pace is entertaining and exhausting to watch.
Quote from: scoop85I don't know about anyone else watching the game, but the frenetic pace is entertaining and exhausting to watch.
Ugly lacrosse, IMHO.
Quote from: scoop8516-12 Red after 3. Offense has been good, defense has not. Ierlan came in near the end of the 3rd and made a nice save.
I don't know about anyone else watching the game, but the frenetic pace is entertaining and exhausting to watch.
It's a lot more exciting, for sure. It will be much more enjoyable without so many turnovers. 20 for Hobart and 16 for Cornell with 6 minutes left. Incredible.
Big Red wins 19-16, with Hobart making a late run after Cornell took a 19-13 lead. Chase Ierlan did an excellent job in relief in goal and made a case for himself to be the starter Sunday against Lehigh.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioTria taking most faceoffs
Actually wasn't it #7? Paul A.?
Quote from: TimVQuote from: Al DeFlorioTria taking most faceoffs
Actually wasn't it #7? Paul A.?
Ramisowicz 14-30
Tria 3-7
Graham 0-1
Salvatore 0-1
Box doesn't say what order they were in so for all I know Al wasn't wrong at the time.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: Al DeFlorioTria taking most faceoffs
Actually wasn't it #7? Paul A.?
Check the time stamp. Several edits in that post. Early second period Tria took a bunch. Then back to Ras.
5-0 Lehigh after 7 minutes; zero Cornell shots, zero saves.
Horrible start. Bullen has been bad, but the defense hasn't been great either. Offense just needs the ball.
Cornell keeps turning it over, slipping and falling, sloppy passes.
6-4 Lehigh late first with Lehigh now man up nonreleasable. Digging own hole.
6-5 Lehigh at the half. Defense settled down since mid-first period.
Screwed up three man-ups within seconds of start.
Lehigh with two to open 2nd half. 8-5
Teat makes it 8-6. Bullen Sharpe. Need patience on shot selection.
Faceoffs remain a big problem
Quote from: scoop85Faceoffs remain a big problem
Ras hurt?
Poor shot choice by Teat.
Piatelli scores 8-7; then Fletcher throws it away.
Sixth Cornell man-down upcoming.
Fletcher also trying to do way too much today. Has given away two possessions early on in the shot clock
Now a shot clock violation playing to tie.
Lehigh goes up 2 after a brutal missed too-many men on Lehigh
Two-goal 3rd period not good enough. Too many wasted possessions.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioTwo-goal 3rd period not good enough. Too many wasted possessions.
And possessions are extra precious when you are losing the FO battle
Now a penalty after face-off violation after pulling within one.
Finally...Piatelli tries it.
Teat beats Chick 10-9 Red
Piatelli to Pettersen 11-9
10 min to go
Teat beats Chick again, up 3
Teat is unbelievable. The stick fakes and way he cradles/shoots makes it so hard for the goalie.
Keep falling down. Need better shoes?
14-9 win going away after a 7-0 4th quarter. Exhale.
Quote from: ugarte14-9 win going away after a 7-0 4th quarter. Exhale.
They looked like a totally different team in the last quarter.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarte14-9 win going away after a 7-0 4th quarter. Exhale.
They looked like a totally different team in the last quarter.
Played relaxed, confident after the tie.
Teat doesn't often shoot hard, but he rarely seems to miss.
Bullen very effective after 5-goal Lehigh start.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioRas hurt?
Yes, per Cornell Sun — "Sophomore FOGO Paul Rasimowicz missed the game with an undisclosed injury, and Cornell was just 9-for-27 on faceoffs in his absence. Junior long-stick midfielder Brandon Salvatore took the plurality of Cornell faceoffs, winning four of 12, while sophomore FOGO Luca Tria won four of his 10 faceoffs. Milliman said Rasimowicz is day-to-day going forward."
Quote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioRas hurt?
Yes, per Cornell Sun — "Sophomore FOGO Paul Rasimowicz missed the game with an undisclosed injury, and Cornell was just 9-for-27 on faceoffs in his absence. Junior long-stick midfielder Brandon Salvatore took the plurality of Cornell faceoffs, winning four of 12, while sophomore FOGO Luca Tria won four of his 10 faceoffs. Milliman said Rasimowicz is day-to-day going forward."
Last thing Cornell needed.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: George64Quote from: Al DeFlorioRas hurt?
Yes, per Cornell Sun — "Sophomore FOGO Paul Rasimowicz missed the game with an undisclosed injury, and Cornell was just 9-for-27 on faceoffs in his absence. Junior long-stick midfielder Brandon Salvatore took the plurality of Cornell faceoffs, winning four of 12, while sophomore FOGO Luca Tria won four of his 10 faceoffs. Milliman said Rasimowicz is day-to-day going forward."
Last thing Cornell needed.
Well at least day-to-day is about the best we could hope for.
Attendance of 342 for the home opener of a top-10 Cornell team with a storied history (and the best player in the country) is just sad.
Quote from: CU77Attendance of 342 for the home opener of a top-10 Cornell team with a storied history (and the best player in the country) is just sad.
Are the championship banners back up yet?
considering the weather and no students around , surprised anyone came.
Quote from: upprdeckconsidering the weather and no students around , surprised anyone came.
Gale force winds, rain and fog? Yeah, just watch it online.
OK I didn't know about this "February break" thing ...
Quote from: CU77OK I didn't know about this "February break" thing ...
Cornell today! Students are getting soft. Back in the day we never had breaks, except to take prelims at 7:30 AM, everyday but Wednesdays, St. Patty's, and Tisha B'Av. This allowed us to be free to attend athletic events in early afternoon, do our laundry, go on a road trip, and return to campus by 9:00 PM that night, just in time to pull an all-nighter and get ready for the prelim the next morning. Even though the temperature was 15 below and the snow was 15 feet deep (in August — I was a Co-op student), we trudged through it on Lib Slope to and from the exams, uphill both ways. AND WE LIKED IT!
Oh, and we had grade
deflation: our profs would actually curve our grades
down. AND WE LIKED IT!
Cornell up to #3 in the polls. (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
Quote from: KenPCornell up to #3 in the polls. (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
Definitely weird to move up after a pair of surprisingly close games against unranked teams but I will not complain.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: KenPCornell up to #3 in the polls. (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
Definitely weird to move up after a pair of surprisingly close games against unranked teams but I will not complain.
Lots of good teams out there. I doubt we're the 3rd best team right now, but we have potential to be very good. Worried about the FOGO situation though.
I guess if you consider there are only a few unbeaten teams left
Yale is about a play away from 2 losses.
who knows this early, but we won by 5 and were beating hobart by 6 late,
once you get past loyala and maryland, everyone has issues
if we beat albany i will feel better about where we are heading, but the X is really the issue we seem to have to deal with again.
10 minutes of highlights from the Lehigh game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bsZzJ0569A
Defense player impact ratings at laxbytes: http://laxbytes.com/binmenstats19/playerdx01.php
Attack player impact ratings: http://laxbytes.com/binmenstats19/playerax01.php
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: KenPCornell up to #3 in the polls. (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse)
Definitely weird to move up after a pair of surprisingly close games against unranked teams but I will not complain.
Lots of good teams out there. I doubt we're the 3rd best team right now, but we have potential to be very good. Worried about the FOGO situation though.
About now, is TD Ierlan realizing the odds of winning a national title might be better at Cornell?
Remember how the alte kakers on the forum will remind you Ned coached lacrosse as well as hockey? I was wondering: If Schafer coached lacrosse, how many goals would Bullen have to give up before Chase Ierlan skates on in relief?
For much of the game, our faceoff strategy was for the defense to get the ball back later.
For the final 3-1/2 periods, Bullen's numbers were 14 saves, 4 GA, .737 save percentage.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioDefense player impact ratings at laxbytes: http://laxbytes.com/binmenstats19/playerdx01.php
Attack player impact ratings: http://laxbytes.com/binmenstats19/playerax01.php
Maybe the reason the first two defenses didn't try to wall off Teat is the rest of the attack will kill them. Of 472 ranked players, we stand
5 Teat, Jr
6 Piatelli, So
14 Petterson, Sr
Imagine those two in 2020 as well as this year.
Of the top 50, our defensemen are 1-34-46 - Salvatore, Doria, Wallace.
Thanks, Al, for not posting FOGO ratings.
Towson 12, #1 Loyola 10. New #1 next week?
Loving that for our SOS. Sure would be nice for an Ivy to have a difficult schedule and not finish the year 7-6 (looking at you Penn and Harvard)
Quote from: semsoxLoving that for our SOS. Sure would be nice for an Ivy to have a difficult schedule and not finish the year 7-6 (looking at you Penn and Harvard)
Quite a weekend coming up in Charlotte.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: semsoxLoving that for our SOS. Sure would be nice for an Ivy to have a difficult schedule and not finish the year 7-6 (looking at you Penn and Harvard)
Quite a weekend coming up in Charlotte.
Really. Defense seems to be coming along. Only the Albany game to shore up FOGO before a tournament that has us playing two teams that can make the FF.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: semsoxLoving that for our SOS. Sure would be nice for an Ivy to have a difficult schedule and not finish the year 7-6 (looking at you Penn and Harvard)
Quite a weekend coming up in Charlotte.
Really. Defense seems to be coming along. Only the Albany game to shore up FOGO before a tournament that has us playing two teams that can make the FF.
Followed six days later by a third.
Hopkins trying a "shut off" on Princeton's Sowers today. 3-1 Princeton.early.
Shocker: Jeff Teat on the Tewaaraton Award Watch List - 50 players https://tewaaraton.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2019/02/2019_WATCH_LIST_PR_FINAL.pdf
Men's Watch List:
Dox Aitken, Virginia - Jr., Midfield
Grant Ament, Penn State - Jr., Attack
Gerard Arceri, Penn State - Jr., Face Off
Jared Bernhardt, Maryland - Jr., Attack
Charlie Bertrand, Merrimack - Jr., Attack
Tate Boyce, Providence - Sr., Goalie
Daniel Bucaro, Georgetown - Sr., Attack
Adam Charalambides, Rutgers - Redshirt Sophomore, Attack
Craig Chick, Lehigh - Sr., Defense
Bryan Costabile, Notre Dame - Jr., Midfield
Brendan Curry, Syracuse - Soph., Midfield
Chris Fake, Yale - Soph., Defense
Dylan Gaines, Denver - Sr., Defense
JT Giles-Harris, Duke - Jr., Defense
Brendan Gleason, Notre Dame - Sr., Attack
Zach Goodrich, Towson - Sr., Midfield
Phil Goss, Brown - Jr., Goalie
Chris Gray, Boston University - Soph., Attack
Teddy Hatfield, Richmond - Sr., Attack
Alex Heger, Robert Morris - Sr., Goalie
TD Ierlan, Yale - Jr., Face Off
Connor Kirst, Villanova - Soph., Midfield
Michael Kraus, Virginia - Jr., Attack
Tre Leclaire, Ohio State - Jr., Attack
Kyle Marr, Hopkins - Sr., Attack
Simon Mathias, Penn - Sr., Attack
Nick Mellen, Syracuse - Jr., Defense
Jackson Morrill, Yale - Jr., Attack
Kieran Mullins, Rutgers - Jr., Attack
Tehoka Nanticoke, Albany - Soph., Attack
Asher Nolting, High Point - Soph., Attack
Brent Noseworthy, Michigan - Sr., Midfield
Isaac Paparo, Massachusetts-Amherst - Sr., Defense
Ryland Rees, Stony Brook - Sr., Defense
Jack Rowlett, Carolina - Sr., Defense
Brad Smith, Duke - Sr., Midfield
Michael Sowers, Princeton - Jr., Attack
Patrick Spencer, Loyola - Sr., Attack
Jacob Stover, Loyola - Sr., Goalie
Johnny Surdick, Army West Point - Sr., Defense
Jeff Teat, Cornell - Jr., Attack
Ryan Terefenko, Ohio State - Jr., Midfield
Ryan Tierney, Hofstra - Jr., Attack
Jack Tigh, Yale - Sr., Midfield
Greyson Torain, Navy - Sr., Midfield
Tim Troutner Jr., High Point - Sr., Goalie
Max Tuttle, Sacred Heart - Sr., Midfield
Cade Van Raaphorst, Duke - Sr., Defense
Ethan Walker, Denver - Jr., Attack
Alex Woodall, Towson - Sr., Face Off
Anybody able to get the 3pm Albany @ Cornell game on ESPN+? It's still saying "has not yet started" for me.
Quote from: BeeeejAnybody able to get the 3pm Albany @ Cornell game on ESPN+? It's still saying "has not yet started" for me.
Same here.
Now live.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BeeeejAnybody able to get the 3pm Albany @ Cornell game on ESPN+? It's still saying "has not yet started" for me.
Same here.
Finally.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BeeeejAnybody able to get the 3pm Albany @ Cornell game on ESPN+? It's still saying "has not yet started" for me.
Same here.
Finally.
Looks like late start. Women's game late?
Penn tested Penn State today 15-14.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: BeeeejAnybody able to get the 3pm Albany @ Cornell game on ESPN+? It's still saying "has not yet started" for me.
Same here.
Finally.
Looks like late start. Women's game late?
Don't know. I really like it that ESPN+ uses Barry Leonard for the call.
Albany loves to swing the ball around the top to get the open outside shot. Cornell is going to have to hustle to on every pass to pressure the shooters. It's easy to get worn down after a while playing that kind of defense.
I like Teat playing crease attack. The crease attack is always "locked off" a little bit anyway. He freed himself running behind the goal and getting an off-ball pick.
Giving shooters too much space.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioGiving shooters too much space.
I would consider putting the freshman in the net the second half.
8-7 Cornell at the half. Offense has been good with a number of beautifully assisted goals. D not great, but all of Albany's goals have been from the outside and Buhlen has to stop a few more.
As usual of late we're getting beat on the faceoffs, and the rare time we seemingly win the draw we're not able to pick the ball off the turf.
And we've been called for 5 penalties to Albany's 0. But not saying it isn't warranted.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioGiving shooters too much space.
I would consider putting the freshman in the net the second half.
Agreed. But whenever I see him I think, "why didn't his brother join him at Cornell." I know you have to go with who you have, but it's hard not thinking about what could've been.
Me, when it seemed as if TD was coming to Cornell: "Faceoffs are such a unique feature of lacrosse—I love them!"
Me, when he went to Yale: "Faceoffs are a vestige of a different era and should be abolished!"
Teat is so accurate with his shots and passes.
Are our home jerseys new? They look far whiter to me. It may be the snow.
...and now it's coming up as "This event has ended." WTF?!
Quote from: Beeeej...and now it's coming up as "This event has ended." WTF?!
Switch to the hockey. Final minutes still down 1-0. Cornell leads in total shots (on goal, blocked, and missed) 106-16.
Quote from: Beeeej...and now it's coming up as "This event has ended." WTF?!
It came back after a few minutes.
This Albany comeback is getting scary.
Bullen can't stop low.
I'm still upset about whatever the call was against Wallace after he stripped the Albany player near the start of this run.
God bless Connor Fletcher.
Will need better D and 'keeping next weekend,
This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Quote from: mike1960This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Our #1 FOGO is hurt, right? We looked completely overmatched at FO late.
Quote from: mike1960This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Syracuse? First there's PSU, Towson and Yale.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: mike1960This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Our #1 FOGO is hurt, right? We looked completely overmatched at FO late.
Our #1, Racimovicz, is not a great improvement over what is on the field now. I think Graham is coming along, but needs better wing play. I think the second outright faceoff win and attempt at another goal was not a good play. He needed to pull it out and run some clock with our full offense. It seemed after his shot was saved Albany caught fire. I'd continue with Graham and go with frosh Goaltender Ierland. Bullen, after his World Games stretch, has been a disappointment to me, and should have been better on those outside shots. Also, we got a terrible whistle today. And a terrible no whistle.
At this point, I'm hoping we can get one win in the next 3 games. I'd be ecstatic with two.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Syracuse? First there's PSU, Towson and Yale.
There's no disgrace losing to PSU or Yale. I HATE losing to Syracuse.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Syracuse? First there's PSU, Towson and Yale.
There's no disgrace losing to PSU or Yale. I HATE losing to Syracuse.
I'm not especially fond of losing to anyone, disgrace or no disgrace. So I'll fret over Syracuse when the time comes.
Quote from: semsoxI'm still upset about whatever the call was against Wallace after he stripped the Albany player near the start of this run.
Yep that was great defense. Awful call. It's time for the freshman goalie.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Syracuse? First there's PSU, Towson and Yale.
There's no disgrace losing to PSU or Yale. I HATE losing to Syracuse.
Well, Syracuse lost today in OT to UVA. It was a great game to watch.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: mike1960Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: mike1960This offense can score on anyone but our defense and FOGOs are not ready for Syracuse.
Syracuse? First there's PSU, Towson and Yale.
There's no disgrace losing to PSU or Yale. I HATE losing to Syracuse.
Well, Syracuse lost today in OT to UVA. It was a great game to watch.
I saw part of it. Both teams looked in great form.
Cornell's offense is national championship worthy. Unfortunately, the defense/goaltending doesn't seem to be. At least not yet.
Also seems the shotclock rule has led to way more face offs - where we do not excel.
Quote from: TrotskyGod bless Connor Fletcher.
Great shot of the game winner. (https://theseason2019.com/mens-lacrosse/chapter-1/?utm_campaign=The%20Season%202019%20-%20Chapter%201%20%w28Master%29%20%28M753vy%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Master%20List&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ1cHBlcmRlY2tAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQiLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJQTkVTckMifQ%3D%3D). Also Donville's backhander.
really, considering the penalty and face off issues, Cornell was much the better team. Still blowing the 5 goal lead with the Albany goalie making multiple tough saves to keep the run alive would have been bad..
One thing is you cant blow 5-6 goal 4th quarter leads unless you have them. has any other team been up 4-5-6 goals in the 4th three times this year? now they have to learn how to protect them.
Was impressed with Andrews at faceoff X. He is tough and fast. Albany was winning faceoffs with wing play. Cornell's wings just couldn't seem to come up with ground balls on a consistent basis.
Quote from: rss77Was impressed with Andrews at faceoff X. He is tough and fast. Albany was winning faceoffs with wing play. Cornell's wings just couldn't seem to come up with ground balls on a consistent basis.
This is something I don't really understand. Being an elite FOGO takes special skill; I get it. But ground balls are something all field players have to master and practice. Of course, if we're talking top-level DI talent against a bunch of walk-ons, we'd expect the former group to dominate. But if two teams with top-tier talent meet each other, then I'd expect their ground-ball prowess to be roughly equal and the ground-ball battles to be won more or less equally, at least in the limited context of faceoffs.
a lot of faceoff wing play is having the faceoff guy who doesnt win clean move the ball to the right spot.
Quote from: upprdecka lot of faceoff wing play is having the faceoff guy who doesnt win clean move the ball to the right spot.
Thanks. That makes sense.
In effect, you're saying that in the 3-man FO team, the FOGO is like the quarterback on a football team.
After I wrote my comment I thought the explanation might be along these lines. Though it's still amazing that another team's FO teamwork can be so much better that it wins almost 80% of the time.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: upprdecka lot of faceoff wing play is having the faceoff guy who doesnt win clean move the ball to the right spot.
Thanks. That makes sense.
In effect, you're saying that in the 3-man FO team, the FOGO is like the quarterback on a football team.
After I wrote my comment I thought the explanation might be along these lines. Though it's still amazing that another team's FO teamwork can be so much better that it wins almost 80% of the time.
It's really similar to hockey.
Each face-off guy has his set of moves. You've probably seen a face-off player moving his teammates around depending upon what he'll try to do.
But sometimes that move is just to confuse the opponent.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: SwampyQuote from: upprdecka lot of faceoff wing play is having the faceoff guy who doesnt win clean move the ball to the right spot.
Thanks. That makes sense.
In effect, you're saying that in the 3-man FO team, the FOGO is like the quarterback on a football team.
After I wrote my comment I thought the explanation might be along these lines. Though it's still amazing that another team's FO teamwork can be so much better that it wins almost 80% of the time.
It's really similar to hockey.
Each face-off guy has his set of moves. You've probably seen a face-off player moving his teammates around depending upon what he'll try to do.
But sometimes that move is just to confuse the opponent.
We had some success against Lehigh's Gaffney with a long pole. Gaffney is a very good FOGO guy, but it appears he isn't the best ball handler. I think it was Salvatore who took the ball from Gaffney a few times after Gaffney controlled the face.
Good, I'm not alone in being told the event ended. When it was the last 5 minutes. Sheesh.
Quote from: upprdeckreally, considering the penalty and face off issues ...
We can learn to take fewer penalties. Three games in, our faceoff percentage so far is .369. TD Ierlan at Yale is at .768.
With #1 Loyola and #2 Maryland losing this week it would appear Cornell will ascend to the #1 ranking. Blessing or curse ?
Quote from: Cop at LynahWith #1 Loyola and #2 Maryland losing this week it would appear Cornell will ascend to the #1 ranking. Blessing or curse ?
insanity. 3-0, but all against unranked teams and all close calls. i haven't even watched anyone else and can't believe this team is going to scoop up that many votes.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Cop at LynahWith #1 Loyola and #2 Maryland losing this week it would appear Cornell will ascend to the #1 ranking. Blessing or curse ?
insanity. 3-0, but all against unranked teams and all close calls. i haven't even watched anyone else and can't believe this team is going to scoop up that many votes.
Towson #1, unbeaten with wins over Loyola and Hopkins.
Correcting the face-off problems is a difficult task. Fixing the goaltending is a no-brainer.
Quote from: woodpileCorrecting the face-off problems is a difficult task. Fixing the goaltending is a no-brainer.
Don't they both come down to: try somebody else?
Quote from: Cop at LynahWith #1 Loyola and #2 Maryland losing this week it would appear Cornell will ascend to the #1 ranking. Blessing or curse ?
No. 2, with Towson going from 7 to 1 in media poll.
March 4, 2019
1. Towson
2. Cornell
3. Loyola
4T. Penn State
4T. Yale
Has Chase Ierlan ever tried taking faceoffs? Maybe for him the G in FOGO would stand for Goalie. Just gotta figure out what the second O means.
Or: When is wrestling season over?
The #1, #2 and #4 teams in the country... organizers of the Crown Lacrosse Classic are wetting themselves from excitement.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: woodpileCorrecting the face-off problems is a difficult task. Fixing the goaltending is a no-brainer.
Don't they both come down to: try somebody else?
At goalie, there are two potential #1 candidates so that's basically right.
FOGO is a little different. It's a specialist position, where our guy would be facing a specialist. Right now our best FOGO is hurt, the backup is not doing that well but not totally killing us and there doesn't seem to be any one else the coach trusts more than a couple of times a game.
If Galadja and McGrath were hitting a rough patch Schafer wouldn't consider putting the pads on Bramwell. DO NOT RESPOND WITH THE NAME OF OUR THIRD-STRING GOALIE JUST BECAUSE I AM TOO LAZY TO LOOK IT UP.
Quote from: upprdecka lot of faceoff wing play is having the faceoff guy who doesnt win clean move the ball to the right spot.
Agreed, but there were many situations where it seemed like a true 50/50 situation, with 6 guys battling for the ball, and we won very few of those.
Quote from: ugarteIf Galadja and McGrath were hitting a rough patch Schafer wouldn't consider putting the pads on Bramwell. DO NOT RESPOND WITH THE NAME OF OUR THIRD-STRING GOALIE JUST BECAUSE I AM TOO LAZY TO LOOK IT UP.
His name is Jake McDonald and I am sure he's a fine young man.
(Looks it up.)
Shit. His name is Nate McDonald.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Cop at LynahWith #1 Loyola and #2 Maryland losing this week it would appear Cornell will ascend to the #1 ranking. Blessing or curse ?
No. 2, with Towson going from 7 to 1 in media poll.
March 4, 2019
1. Towson
2. Cornell
3. Loyola
4T. Penn State
4T. Yale
Has Chase Ierlan ever tried taking faceoffs? Maybe for him the G in FOGO would stand for Goalie. Just gotta figure out what the second O means.
Or: When is wrestling season over?
Face-Offs, Goaltending otherwise
Quote from: KenPThe #1, #2 and #4 teams in the country... organizers of the Crown Lacrosse Classic are wetting themselves from excitement.
And thanks to the tie for #4, we get to play 3 of the top-4 teams in the country in 8 days.::banana::::scared::::drive::
The following list give FOGO statistics -- (School: FOGO Name, Pct. Won, Rank)
1. Towson: Alex Woodall, 74.2%, 3
2. Cornell: *
3. Loyola: Bailey Savio, 48.3%, 49
4T. Penn State: Gerard Arceri, 58.3%, 19
4T. Yale: TD Ierlan, 74.4%, 2
* Cornell has no one reported on the NCAA sit (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/individual/410)e, which implies at most our % is < 26.2.
We don't play Loyola, so in our next 3 games we'll be against the #19, #3, and #2 FOGOs.
Quote from: Swampy* Cornell has no one reported on the NCAA sit (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/individual/410)e, which implies at most our % is < 26.2.
We have had a different FOGO take the majority in each game. The lowest FO taken on the NCAA list is 34 and we have three guys with around 30, one of whom is just under .500, so I think our FOGOs all barely missed the cutoff.
+1
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteIf Galadja and McGrath were hitting a rough patch Schafer wouldn't consider putting the pads on Bramwell. DO NOT RESPOND WITH THE NAME OF OUR THIRD-STRING GOALIE JUST BECAUSE I AM TOO LAZY TO LOOK IT UP.
His name is Jake McDonald and I am sure he's a fine young man.
(Looks it up.)
Shit. His name is Nate McDonald.
His mother reads ELF. His girlfriend reads ELF. If you feel a pin-stab in your shoulder tonight ...
FOGO results, game by game (Hobart, Lehigh, Albany), from the box scores:
Rasimowicz:
14-30
0-0
0-0
Graham:
0-1
1-4
8-25
Tria:
3-7
4-10
3-10
Salvatore:
0-1
4-12
1-2
Bartolotto:
0-0
0-1
0-0
Quote from: CU77FOGO results, game by game (Hobart, Lehigh, Albany), from the box scores:
Rasimowicz:
14-30
0-0
0-0
Graham:
0-1
1-4
8-25
Tria:
3-7
4-10
3-10
Salvatore:
0-1
4-12
1-2
Bartolotto:
0-0
0-1
0-0
This weekend it will be a big deal if Raz can play and if Graham continues to improve as he adjusts to the U.S. college rules.
if we can get games to 40% we will have solid chances.
Pretty crappy that 2 big games this weekend and no tv/streaming. Makes you wonder if athletics even tried to get something done.
what is the b10 doing on a friday?
Quote from: upprdeckPretty crappy that 2 big games this weekend and no tv/streaming. Makes you wonder if athletics even tried to get something done.
what is the b10 doing on a friday?
Isn't this tournament sponsored by Major League Lacrosse? I'd be surprised if Cornell Athletics had even remotely any say in the matter besides whether or not to accept the (rather attractive, let's face it) invitation.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdeckPretty crappy that 2 big games this weekend and no tv/streaming. Makes you wonder if athletics even tried to get something done.
what is the b10 doing on a friday?
Isn't this tournament sponsored by Major League Lacrosse? I'd be surprised if Cornell Athletics had even remotely any say in the matter besides whether or not to accept the (rather attractive, let's face it) invitation.
Looks like it
might get streamed here, but can't say for sure (and don't know if it'd be free): https://www.lacrosse-tv.com/en/the-crown-lacrosse
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: upprdeckPretty crappy that 2 big games this weekend and no tv/streaming. Makes you wonder if athletics even tried to get something done.
what is the b10 doing on a friday?
Isn't this tournament sponsored by Major League Lacrosse? I'd be surprised if Cornell Athletics had even remotely any say in the matter besides whether or not to accept the (rather attractive, let's face it) invitation.
So attractive it ought to be on TV. There's still WHCU. Or a 10-hour, 675-mile trek from Ithaca; 650 from Manhattan. How can this
not be televised?
having a say in getting it done and trying to figure out a way to get it done are 2 different things
very few things our athletic dept does make much sense.
Quote from: upprdeckhaving a say in getting it done and trying to figure out a way to get it done are 2 different things
very few things our athletic dept does make much sense.
So, you... want them to try to figure out a way to get it done without having a say in getting it done?
Okay.
in talking with ADs around other colleges, yeah thats their job..
promote your school, promote your league, promote your sport.
work with the other schools, reach out to the games organizers and then reach out to ESPN or streamers and figure it out.
But knowing the school i doubt they even put any thought into it.
they cant force it to be televised, but they can spend some effort to try and get it done.
why do we think we have ticket/concession/venue/parking/streaming/tv/web site issues in athletics..
This is what the Konica-Minolta and Big City Classics circa 2008-2015 wanted to be in Baltimore and Meadowlands (Giants-Jets Stadiumn). Now, we've got an event with 3 of the top 4 and it's in the heart of the pre-1970 lacrosse ground zero (the Confederacy) rather than today's main hotspot, Ontario stretching southeast through the Finger Lakes to Long Island and New Jersey.
We caught a break (https://dailygazette.com/article/2019/03/04/ualbany-men-s-lacrosse-s-nanticoke-suspended-indefinitely-for-ncaa-violation) against Albany last weekend. Thanks to the idiocy of the NCAA, one of their top scorers had to sit out the game.
Albany, with Nanticoke back, just lost at home to UMass, 14-8. And Albany was owned on faceoffs, winning just 7 of 26. And UMass was owned on faceoffs against Yale by Ierlan ...
Quote from: CU77Albany, with Nanticoke back, just lost at home to UMass, 14-8. And Albany was owned on faceoffs, winning just 7 of 26. And UMass was owned on faceoffs against Yale by Ierlan ...
Not sure what your point is. I'd be willing to bet anyone on this board that Yale's Ierlan will own us on the faceoff when we play them.
We don't need to bring UMass into the discussion to know that. When you're already at a limit, transitive properties are no longer relevant.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Albany, with Nanticoke back, just lost at home to UMass, 14-8. And Albany was owned on faceoffs, winning just 7 of 26. And UMass was owned on faceoffs against Yale by Ierlan ...
Not sure what your point is. I'd be willing to bet anyone on this board that Yale's Ierlan will own us on the faceoff when we play them.
We don't need to bring UMass into the discussion to know that. When you're already at a limit, transitive properties are no longer relevant.
Maybe he's showing that with some experience, coaching and/or a strategy change faceoff stats can be improved.
I don't believe the Nanticoke suspension was catching a break. When he plays, the ball doesn't move that well - he tends to keep it and go mano a mano. This makes him susceptible to doubles from his blind side and turnovers. I suspect our defense prepped for him all week, and when Albany held him out of the game they had to adjust to a modified Albany offensive plan. That actually worked in Albany's favor. It might be worthwhile for Albany to consider working that "Plan B" offense more early on in games, and then, when the defense tires, unleash Nanticoke's strength and skills on a gassed defense.
at 16-11 our D just stopped making plays, but the time on D adds up, still as someone mentioned.. we had multiple pt blank shots that we got zero goals on and a normal outcome would have been at least 1 probably 2
Quote from: upprdeckat 16-11 our D just stopped making plays, but the time on D adds up, still as someone mentioned.. we had multiple pt blank shots that we got zero goals on and a normal outcome would have been at least 1 probably 2
So does this imply that our depth on D is the problem?
Obviously when the season started we knew that graduation had most seriously affected D & goal and that we needed to get stronger at FOGO. But we did bring in 3 1/2 D men (Adler is listed as D/LSM) and 2 highly rated FOGO's. Maybe if we could win a game or two by a larger margin these guys would get some playing time, and by mid-season we'd start to have more depth. But looking at the schedule, I don't know when this might be.
Even so, given how we've been doing at FOGO, I don't think there'd be much harm in giving more chances to Graham and Rothstein (who, I think, hasn't played at all).
I guess we can look at as we have been up 5-6 goals in the 4th which no other team has done, or we have faltered in the 4th which is not a good thing. the D can only live so long down 1 Min penalties and winning so few faceoffs no matter the depth. if Faceoffs dont get better not sure how much the offense can bail them out.
the season 2019
much different show this year.
a preseason show covering jan-march
3 reg season shows
a post season show
last year
3 falls shows
5 in season shows
2 post season shows
so half the content..
Quote from: upprdeckthe season 2019
much different show this year.
a preseason show covering jan-march
3 reg season shows
a post season show
last year
3 falls shows
5 in season shows
2 post season shows
so half the content..
I was thinking the same thing...but there are also half the teams this year, right? Cornell men/Florida women in 2019--Duke/Ohio State/Syracuse/North Carolina men's teams in 2018. I only watched part of the first episode so far and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest and the new episodes. I wonder how "honest" it will be--will they get any quotes from Coach Milliman about the face-off struggles?
Quote from: djk26Quote from: upprdeckthe season 2019
much different show this year.
a preseason show covering jan-march
3 reg season shows
a post season show
last year
3 falls shows
5 in season shows
2 post season shows
so half the content..
I was thinking the same thing...but there are also half the teams this year, right? Cornell men/Florida women in 2019--Duke/Ohio State/Syracuse/North Carolina men's teams in 2018. I only watched part of the first episode so far and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest and the new episodes. I wonder how "honest" it will be--will they get any quotes from Coach Milliman about the face-off struggles?
In any case, they'd probably have to edit whatever he says so the show will be fit for family consumption.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Albany, with Nanticoke back, just lost at home to UMass, 14-8. And Albany was owned on faceoffs, winning just 7 of 26. And UMass was owned on faceoffs against Yale by Ierlan ...
Not sure what your point is. I'd be willing to bet anyone on this board that Yale's Ierlan will own us on the faceoff when we play them.
We don't need to bring UMass into the discussion to know that. When you're already at a limit, transitive properties are no longer relevant.
I liked it. Kind of a horror story building. You know, the next morning, when they go back to the lover's lane car they fled, there's a giant hook slammed into the car door, with a Maverik glove swinging from the stick. The glove has TD written on in magic marker.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Albany, with Nanticoke back, just lost at home to UMass, 14-8. And Albany was owned on faceoffs, winning just 7 of 26. And UMass was owned on faceoffs against Yale by Ierlan ...
Not sure what your point is. I'd be willing to bet anyone on this board that Yale's Ierlan will own us on the faceoff when we play them.
We don't need to bring UMass into the discussion to know that. When you're already at a limit, transitive properties are no longer relevant.
Maybe he's showing that with some experience, coaching and/or a strategy change faceoff stats can be improved.
I don't believe the Nanticoke suspension was catching a break. When he plays, the ball doesn't move that well - he tends to keep it and go mano a mano. This makes him susceptible to doubles from his blind side and turnovers. I suspect our defense prepped for him all week, and when Albany held him out of the game they had to adjust to a modified Albany offensive plan. That actually worked in Albany's favor. It might be worthwhile for Albany to consider working that "Plan B" offense more early on in games, and then, when the defense tires, unleash Nanticoke's strength and skills on a gassed defense.
Because the Cornell D prepped to contain the potential damage an 80-point scorer could do, and then when he wasn't there, Cornell was at a disadvantage?
giving up 11 in almost 50 min was fine.. it was giving 5 in the last 10 min that was bad.. kind like the lehigh game in reverse
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TimVQuote from: SwampyQuote from: CU77Albany, with Nanticoke back, just lost at home to UMass, 14-8. And Albany was owned on faceoffs, winning just 7 of 26. And UMass was owned on faceoffs against Yale by Ierlan ...
Not sure what your point is. I'd be willing to bet anyone on this board that Yale's Ierlan will own us on the faceoff when we play them.
We don't need to bring UMass into the discussion to know that. When you're already at a limit, transitive properties are no longer relevant.
Maybe he's showing that with some experience, coaching and/or a strategy change faceoff stats can be improved.
I don't believe the Nanticoke suspension was catching a break. When he plays, the ball doesn't move that well - he tends to keep it and go mano a mano. This makes him susceptible to doubles from his blind side and turnovers. I suspect our defense prepped for him all week, and when Albany held him out of the game they had to adjust to a modified Albany offensive plan. That actually worked in Albany's favor. It might be worthwhile for Albany to consider working that "Plan B" offense more early on in games, and then, when the defense tires, unleash Nanticoke's strength and skills on a gassed defense.
Because the Cornell D prepped to contain the potential damage an 80-point scorer could do, and then when he wasn't there, Cornell was at a disadvantage?
Hardly. I've seen a lot of their games live and I'm kinda familiar with how defenses prepare and scheme. Their game is different when he's in. More one on one bull dodges to the net and coming around from behind. Less shots coming from the midfield. There's only one ball and it often gets stuck in his stick when hes in. See if you can find an archive of their Syracuse game. Or their game Tuesday vs UMass who spanked them on their own field.
Anyone know what this means? (https://www.lacrosse-tv.com/en/c/penn-state-vs-cornell)
scores/stats/ real video?
It looks like the games will be streamed!
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/3/8/mens-lacrosse-crown-lacrosse-classic-announces-video-streaming-for-this-weekend.aspx
Quote from: upprdeckAnyone know what this means? (https://www.lacrosse-tv.com/en/c/penn-state-vs-cornell)
scores/stats/ real video?
Apparently all four games to be streamed. (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/3/8/mens-lacrosse-crown-lacrosse-classic-announces-video-streaming-for-this-weekend.aspx)
Quote from: George64Quote from: upprdeckAnyone know what this means? (https://www.lacrosse-tv.com/en/c/penn-state-vs-cornell)
scores/stats/ real video?
Apparently all four games to be streamed. (https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/3/8/mens-lacrosse-crown-lacrosse-classic-announces-video-streaming-for-this-weekend.aspx)
i guess that they got it done and maybe even had a say
I wonder who had a talk with athletics
Raining during Towson game. Players splash as they run. May have stopped raining as some on the sidelines have their hoods down on the rain jackets.
Cornell apparently told the organizers, "We want video in the worst way."
Video now showing pre-game warmups for Towson-JU game. Not a good sign.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioVideo now showing pre-game warmups for Towson-JU game. Not a good sign.
I had to download the periscope app and watch it on my iPad. Although there has not been a lot good to see so far.
it's on pscp.tv. Two Cornell possessions and two throwaways.
Been as big a defender of Bullen as there is, but it's time to put Ierlan in.
Ierlan warming up.
Quote from: semsoxBeen as big a defender of Bullen as there is, but it's time to put Ierlan in.
Ya think???
Ierlan save. And offense throws it away again.
And he makes 3 saves in the first PSU offensive possession.
Depressing thing is Penn held PSU to a one goal win. 9-2 and another throwaway. 10-2, win faceoff, throw it away. That's at least five throwaways.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioDepressing thing is Penn held PSU to a one goal win. 9-2 and another throwaway.
Can't watch anymore.
this wet field is not helping an already bad situation.. so many sloppy passes
Quote from: upprdeckthis wet field is not helping an already bad situation.. so many sloppy passes
We keep slipping and falling. Happened in the Schoellkopf games, too.
Well, we actually outscored them 3-2 in the 2nd to make it 11-5 at the half. Probably too big a hill to climb, but I hope we play well in the 2nd half to at least feel better about where we stand as a team.
PSU middies continue to get open shots. Too easy.
PSU faceoff violation. We throw it away.
Three close-in shots to pull within four but all missed net. Then PSU makes it six again.
Pretty clear that Ierlan is the answer in goal and that this season is really going to come down to winning enough faceoffs or getting good D - either one would be sufficient, both would be great.
Pulled to within 14-11 but then couldn't win a face-off. 17-11
30 of 35 PSU shots were on goal. 20 of 30 for Cornell.
unforced errors and struggles on the X against a good offense are bad things
good news is once we made the goalie change it was a 1 goal game even winning almost no faceoffs
I hope Chayse Ierlan has won the starting position and can settle in for the remainder of the season.
See that the FOGO Andrews had only one faceoff. Not sure why
Is anyone having any luck getting the webcast?
Thanks.
off to another awful start.. not sure video is wise for the eyes
Appears there's no video. But given that we're down 5-2 and have given up 2 goals to a long pole, maybe that's not a bad thing.
working now
video is up now
https://twitter.com/TheCrownLax
5 straight and it's 7-5 Red early 2nd
is there any way to pause the stream to get it in sync with the whcu commentary?
Cornell on an 8 goal run. Petterson with 6. 8-5 Cornell.
now 7 straight - 9-5 Red
10-5
11-5
10-5. Petterson with 7!
At least 3 of Towson's 6 goals have come on a fast break or a FOGO rush.
the stats say cornell has only won 6 of 25 draws. thast crazy to be winning
Cornell man-down 11 times
what was that last penalty on cornell, when they were calling for timeout and didnt get it..
3rd FO violation, Then the coach went ballistic and someone got an unsportsmanlike conduct violation. Not sure if it was the coach or Griff Buczek as it was hard to tell from the radio broadcast where it sounded like Griff got the penalty, not that he was just serving the penalty
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but the last last penalty cornell had the ball in offensive end and then something was called..
too many penalties, not sure which is worse to have that or no wins on the X
Statement win. And nice bounce back from a tough loss.
Quote from: CU2007Statement win. And nice bounce back from a tough loss.
Absolutely!
Quote from: upprdeckbut the last last penalty cornell had the ball in offensive end and then something was called..
too many penalties, not sure which is worse to have that or no wins on the X
Penalties were the price paid for a very aggressive D that caused a zillion turnovers and probably intimidated several more. Black unis spent a lot of time on the turf.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckbut the last last penalty cornell had the ball in offensive end and then something was called..
too many penalties, not sure which is worse to have that or no wins on the X
Penalties were the price paid for a very aggressive D that caused a zillion turnovers and probably intimidated several more. Black unis spent a lot of time on the turf.
We're going to need to creat lots of turnovers next Saturday since we'll be fortunate to win even 10% of the draws. But today showed the formula for winning when you can't win faceoffs. And when you have as versatile an offense as we have, we should be able to compete with about anyone.
so why did rasimowicz only take draws in the 2nd half?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckbut the last last penalty cornell had the ball in offensive end and then something was called..
too many penalties, not sure which is worse to have that or no wins on the X
Penalties were the price paid for a very aggressive D that caused a zillion turnovers and probably intimidated several more. Black unis spent a lot of time on the turf.
Here are so more stats. I believe I got them transcribed.
Towson Cornell
Faceoffs won 26 6
Forced turnovers 7 14
Unforced turnovers by opp 7 9
Failed clear by opp 2 7
Saves made 8 10[b]
Got the ball/back 50 46[/b]Nice that Cornell forced a lot of turnovers, and it's more disheartening to the opponent than losing N+ GBs. Add in unforced turnovers the team made, and times the opponent failed to clear, and finally Cornell gets closer on stats. Does that make us feel better? No, because if you're trying to catch up, or protect a lead, you want to win the faceoff.
Quote from: upprdeckso why did rasimowicz only take draws in the 2nd half?
Trouble adjusting to Daylight Savings Time. Maybe he's not a mornings kind of person.
Quote from: upprdeckbut the last last penalty cornell had the ball in offensive end and then something was called..
too many penalties, not sure which is worse to have that or no wins on the X
Box score says that in addition to scoring 8-0-8 (on 10 shots), Clarke Petterson was also 3-03:00 on penalties. Trying to remember: Does college lacrosse still eject a player for five personal fouls?
Towson is not in the same category with Yale and Penn State. And Towson killed itself by locking off Teat (I'm sure they saw it as the less painful option). Wonder what Shay's strategy will be. Teat was not faceguarded in the ILT championship game and he wreaked havoc on the Bulldogs.
Quote from: woodpileTowson is not in the same category with Yale and Penn State. And Towson killed itself by locking off Teat (I'm sure they saw it as the less painful option). Wonder what Shay's strategy will be. Teat was not faceguarded in the ILT championship game and he wreaked havoc on the Bulldogs.
While the lock-of will reduce Teat's numbers, it won't be as effective this year because we have more weapons on offense, especially with Piatelli's emergence as a dodger and feeder. Even being locked-off Teat "only" got 4 points.
Clearly the best offense we've had since the 2013 FF team.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckbut the last last penalty cornell had the ball in offensive end and then something was called..
too many penalties, not sure which is worse to have that or no wins on the X
Box score says that in addition to scoring 8-0-8 (on 10 shots), Clarke Petterson was also 3-03:00 on penalties. Trying to remember: Does college lacrosse still eject a player for five personal fouls?
From the 2019 NCAA Rule Book
Fouling OutSECTION 12. Any player who accumulates five minutes of personal fouls shall be
disqualified from the game. A substitute for that player may enter the game when
the disqualified player would have been permitted to re-enter had he not fouled out.
An individual who accumulates five minutes of personal fouls and/or is disqualified
is neither expelled from the competition or spectator areas, nor suspended for a
subsequent game(s).
USILA POLLS March 4 2019
Rank School Psts/1st WL Last week
1 Towson 373(14) 4-0 7 Def Jacksonville 15-13, L Cornell 18-11
2 Loyola Maryland 333 4-1 1 L Duke 12-7
3 Cornell 324 (4) 3-0 3 L Penn State 19-13, def Towson 18-11
4 Yale 315 2-1 4 Def Michigan 17-11
5 Duke 297 (1) 5-1 6 Def Loyola Md 12-7
6 Penn State 296 4-1 5
7 Maryland 264 5-1 2
8 Denver 233 4-1 8
9 Ohio State 226 5-0 9
10 Notre Dame 216 2-1 12
(Records through March 3)
So what happens to the polls tomorrow? Towson made a huge jump from 7th to 1st then seems headed back down. Loyola now has 2 losses. Yale's win vs. Michigan was the first that wasn't a one-point win or loss in overtime (one of each) or regulation (vs. Penn State). First and second places will likely be vacated. Be hard for
Cornell to be #1 after a big loss to #6 Penn State. Be hard for Yale to be #1 based on only one game decided by more than one goal. Maybe give it to Duke: wins by margins of 4 to 10 goals plus one 1-goal win Denver and a 13-9 loss to #13 High Point. Rank it 1 Duke, 2 Yale, 3 Cornell, 4 Penn State? Outgoing #1 Towson got clobbered and #2 Loyola now has 2 losses. Maybe Maryland after a 14-9 win at Albany will reclaim one of the top three spots.
My guess for the top 5 is: Duke, Yale, Penn St., Maryland, Cornell
start the poll at 2
Lacrosse media poll 3/11. Cornell was #2, now #3, and our loss to Penn State helps them to the #1 ranking. Our win Sunday drops Towson from 1 to 5. USILA results pending; Cornell was #3 last week.
[b]Rank Team (record) Votes (1sts) Last week[/b]
1 Penn State (6 - 1) 517 (14) 4
2 Duke (6 - 1) 496 (5) 6
[color=#FF0000][b]3 Cornell (4 - 1) 471 (3) 2[/b][/color]
4 Yale (3 - 1) 446 (4) 4
5 Towson (5 - 1) 418 1
6 Maryland (6 - 1) 408 (1) 7
7 Notre Dame (3 - 1) 380 10
8 Loyola (4 - 2) 359 3
9 Ohio State (6 - 0) 358 9
10 High Point (6 - 1) 290 12
USILA checks in. Cornell is 4 not 3. Yale sneaks ahead of Cornell.
[b]Rank Team Points W-L Last week[/b]
1 Penn State (12) 385 6-1 6
2 Duke (3) 365 6-1 5
3 Yale (4) 357 3-1 4
[b][color=#FF0000]4 Cornell (1) 334 4-1 3[/color][/b]
5 Towson 316 5-1 1
6 Maryland 301 6-1 7
7 Notre Dame 274 3-1 10
8 Ohio State 260 6-0 9
9 Loyola Maryland 255 4-2 2
10 Denver 198 4-2 8
11 Virginia 197 4-2 12
12 High Point 187 6-1 13
13 Syracuse 180 3-2 15
14 Georgetown 121 6-1 18
15 North Carolina 86 4-2 19
16 Rutgers 64 4-2 N/R
17 Johns Hopkins 55 2-3 17
18 Army West Point 54 4-2 16
19 Villanova 37 3-3 11
20 Lehigh 33 3-3 N/R
Others receiving votes: UMass 32, Richmond 30, Navy 22, Colgate 14, Hobart 12, Penn 11, Princeton 8, Delaware 2, Drexel 1
3 top 5 teams in a row on the schedule, good chance ND is there by the time we see them too, if Syracuse goes on a run after Duke they might get back there too.
No one complains this year about a weak Cornell SOS. We're playing / played: 1, 4, 5, 7, 13, 20 and three also-got-votes. I thought Albany had votes when we played them. We missed out dropping Colgate (for this year only?) for St. Bonaventure, a D1 newcomer. Army is back in the top 20 and I miss that series. But how do you know several years in advance if it's better to play Stony Brook or Albany, West Point or Hofstra or Colgate?
Also Lehigh vs. Bucknell? I prefer playing playing Lehigh because every time I see the "Battle of the 'Nells" headline, I have the urge to bitch-slip whoever was responsible.
[b]Rank Team Points W-L Last week[/b]
[b]1 Penn State (12) 385 6-1 6[/b]
2 Duke (3) 365 6-1 5
[b]3 Yale (4) 357 3-1 4[/b]
[b][color=#FF0000]4 Cornell (1) 334 4-1 3[/color][/b]
[b]5 Towson 316 5-1 1[/b]
6 Maryland 301 6-1 7
[b]7 Notre Dame 274 3-1 10[/b]
8 Ohio State 260 6-0 9
9 Loyola Maryland 255 4-2 2
10 Denver 198 4-2 8
11 Virginia 197 4-2 12
12 High Point 187 6-1 13
[b]13 Syracuse 180 3-2 15[/b]
14 Georgetown 121 6-1 18
15 North Carolina 86 4-2 19
16 Rutgers 64 4-2 N/R
17 Johns Hopkins 55 2-3 17
18 Army West Point 54 4-2 16
19 Villanova 37 3-3 11
[b]20 Lehigh 33 3-3 N/R[/b
Others receiving votes: UMass 32, Richmond 30, Navy 22, Colgate 14, [b][b]Hobart[/b] 12, Penn 11, Princeton 8,[/b] Delaware 2, Drexel 1
I prefer Lehigh because I work with a few Lehigh alums - and the field is only about 10 miles from me.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I prefer Lehigh because I work with a few Lehigh alums - and the field is only about 10 miles from me.
Isn't there some sort of emoluments clause prohibiting such shameless promotion of self-interest on this board?
You don't see other people promoting opponents, such as Bryant, Ohio State, or Rutgers, based solely on proximity to their places of residence.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I prefer Lehigh because I work with a few Lehigh alums - and the field is only about 10 miles from me.
Isn't there some sort of emoluments clause prohibiting such shameless promotion of self-interest on this board?
You don't see other people promoting opponents, such as Bryant, Ohio State, or Rutgers, based solely on proximity to their places of residence.
I make no money from having a game at Lehigh ::innocent::
But I'd do Rutgers. That's drivable, too.
FWIW, I'm watching the Lehigh-Rutgers game right now. ;-)
Can anyone explain why at http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/ncaapb01.php Princeton has the highest Ivy probability of winning an AQ, and Yale's is worse than everyone's but Dartmouth?
...................Total....Auto
1 Cornell........64.30 15.90
6 Yale...........51.62 13.00
12 Penn........39.21 13.50
34 Princeton..16.40 16.40
42 Harvard....15.20 15.20
49 Brown.......13.90 13.90
58 Dartmouth 12.10 12.10
Quote from: nshapiroCan anyone explain why at http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/ncaapb01.php Princeton has the highest Ivy probability of winning an AQ, and Yale's is worse than everyone's but Dartmouth?
...................Total....Auto
1 Cornell........64.30 15.90
6 Yale...........51.62 13.00
12 Penn........39.21 13.50
34 Princeton..16.40 16.40
42 Harvard....15.20 15.20
49 Brown.......13.90 13.90
58 Dartmouth 12.10 12.10
And BTW, how does Fanlax (http://fanlax.com/fanlax/2019/03/13/2019-d1-men-lacrosse-rankings-mar-13/) come up with the points it uses to rank teams? And what on earth do its ratings (http://fanlax.com/fanlax/2019/02/15/d1-men-2019-team-ratings/) mean?
I received an email stating that chapter 2 of "The Season" is now available. I just looked at the Florida women's results--they are only 3-5? Yikes--should make for an interesting chapter 2. (grumbling for the Cornell men's team too if chapter 2 covers the Penn State and Yale game)
Quote from: djk26I received an email stating that chapter 2 of "The Season" is now available. I just looked at the Florida women's results--they are only 3-5? Yikes--should make for an interesting chapter 2. (grumbling for the Cornell men's team too if chapter 2 covers the Penn State and Yale game)
Available where? I searched ESPNU's listings for the next week or so and didn't see it on the schedule, and I assumed it wouldn't be on ESPN+.
It has already aired, probably twice.
Watching it I had no idea Fla was doing that badly. It does show some close losses to really good teams, but never mentions their record.
The Charleston tournament is included. I won't discuss any spoilers, in case you don't know the results**]
check the cornell sports twitter - they tweeted out a link
Now available online, and well worth watching:
https://theseason2019.com/mens-lacrosse/chapter-2/
i watched the first on on ESPN,, the 2nd one never showed on the schedule just 100 replays of the lax preseason show.
It is not uniquely labelled in my listings. I had to set my DVR to record all replays so that I would catch it. the description did not change from the first episode.
Quote from: nshapiroIt is not uniquely labelled in my listings. I had to set my DVR to record all replays so that I would catch it. the description did not change from the first episode.
Exactly the same here as well.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-clarity-in-the-top-four/54022
With losses to his #2 and #3 teams, and wins over everybody else, including his #6 team, Quint ranks Cornell 13!!!
Anybody know why he hates Cornell?
Quote from: nshapirohttps://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-clarity-in-the-top-four/54022
With losses to his #2 and #3 teams, and wins over everybody else, including his #6 team, Quint ranks Cornell 13!!!
Anybody know why he hates Cornell?
He's been that way as long as I can remember.
Maybe he just figures if they cant win faceoffs how many games can they win
I find it hard to argue that Cornell is a top ten team, right now. They can be, but they must improve in certain areas. It's hard to argue with the negatives that Quint points out (emphasis added):
Quote from: Quint Kessenich, insidelacrosse.comThe Big Red had no answers for FOGO TD Ierlan and attackmen Matt Brandau and Matt Gaudet in a Saturday conference setback. Early shooting woes and a net loss in possessions were too much to overcome. Cornell is still very much a work in progress..Jeff Teat needs more touches. The first midfield shot 1-11. Big Red needs dodging threats who draw doubles. The team defense must tighten up, they are getting shredded. Cornell entered the game with the No. 39-rated defense on a possession and SOS-based model. The Big Red play St. Bonaventure and Penn this week.
Penn is much better than expected and will be a tough game this Saturday. I don't want to overlook St. Bonaventure, but if Cornell loses to team that has zero Division I wins in their history, then...
Here are the positives for Cornell, as per QK:
Quote from: Quint Kessenich, insidelacrosse.comThe positives: they can ride, pass the rock well, they form a wicked man-up (4-for-6) and give great effort. John Piatelli (4G, 1A) and Clarke Petterson (4, 2) stood out.
Quote from: djk26I find it hard to argue that Cornell is a top ten team, right now. They can be, but they must improve in certain areas. It's hard to argue with the negatives that Quint points out (emphasis added):
Quote from: Quint Kessenich, insidelacrosse.comThe Big Red had no answers for FOGO TD Ierlan and attackmen Matt Brandau and Matt Gaudet in a Saturday conference setback. Early shooting woes and a net loss in possessions were too much to overcome. Cornell is still very much a work in progress..Jeff Teat needs more touches. The first midfield shot 1-11. Big Red needs dodging threats who draw doubles. The team defense must tighten up, they are getting shredded. Cornell entered the game with the No. 39-rated defense on a possession and SOS-based model. The Big Red play St. Bonaventure and Penn this week.
Penn is much better than expected and will be a tough game this Saturday. I don't want to overlook St. Bonaventure, but if Cornell loses to team that has zero Division I wins in their history, then...
Here are the positives for Cornell, as per QK:
Quote from: Quint Kessenich, insidelacrosse.comThe positives: they can ride, pass the rock well, they form a wicked man-up (4-for-6) and give great effort. John Piatelli (4G, 1A) and Clarke Petterson (4, 2) stood out.
Not sure how any rational observer could rank Cornell well below a Towson team that it crushed.
Quote from: upprdeckMaybe he just figures if they cant win faceoffs how many games can they win
And he'd be right. We are terrible in a very important aspect of the game.
Quote from: djk26I don't want to overlook St. Bonaventure, but if Cornell loses to team that has zero Division I wins in their history, then...
5-0 in the first quarter, Cornell hasn't lost a faceoff yet. You can probably relax.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: djk26I don't want to overlook St. Bonaventure, but if Cornell loses to team that has zero Division I wins in their history, then...
5-0 in the first quarter, Cornell hasn't lost a faceoff yet. You can probably relax.
Bonnies are just outmatched today.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: djk26I don't want to overlook St. Bonaventure, but if Cornell loses to team that has zero Division I wins in their history, then...
5-0 in the first quarter, Cornell hasn't lost a faceoff yet. You can probably relax.
Bonnies are just outmatched today.
Truth be told the Bonnies right now are a mid-level DIII team at best.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugarteQuote from: djk26I don't want to overlook St. Bonaventure, but if Cornell loses to team that has zero Division I wins in their history, then...
5-0 in the first quarter, Cornell hasn't lost a faceoff yet. You can probably relax.
Bonnies are just outmatched today.
Truth be told the Bonnies right now are a mid-level DIII team at best.
It will be a different story when those freshman become seniors.
I realize that it was against terrible competition, but JJ Lombardi looked pretty good yesterday. Any chance he can get some more playing time? Depth is always a good thing, and I never understand why freshmen don't seem to make the field in lacrosse. It's not that way in hockey.
I also can't complain about that list, the Towson ranking being somewhat anomalous- they're getting a lot of mileage out of their wins over Loyola and JHU. But Towson aside, and maybe High Point that ranking looks OK to me. Other than those two teams, who do you think we deserve to be ahead of?
I think the Yale loss looked worse than it was - as pointed out on that game thread the defense was uncoordinated and left Gaudet too open. There were a couple of bad luck garbage goals from in close that Ierlan had no chance against. The offense was mishandling a lot of balls- fumbled passes that, while recovered, lost our usual ball movement advantage.
We need Ws against Notre Dame and Syracuse, if we get those I think we can have two routes to the Tournament. I would not be surprised to see a determined Princeton team coming off a loss to Penn, beat Yale this weekend. I'm shocked they aren't in Quint's top 20, but that seems based on W-L record and not how well they've played in losses to strong teams.
Quote from: djk26I realize that it was against terrible competition, but JJ Lombardi looked pretty good yesterday. Any chance he can get some more playing time? Depth is always a good thing, and I never understand why freshmen don't seem to make the field in lacrosse. It's not that way in hockey.
JJ is good, and will be a star. Would like to see him more.
Some freshmen see the field but it's highly player specific, roster specific, and coach specific. Current Cornell players who have seen significant minutes as freshmen included Teat (of course) Donville, Piatelli, Ierlan, Adler, Buczek, Doria, Licciardi, Bardwell, Tria, Racimovicz, Fletcher, Telesco, Teixiera, Salvatore, Rupp, Petterson, McCulloch, Bray, Wallace, and Ward.
List derived from season individual statistics from lax website. I think because the rosters are so large and the flow of players in and out or spot shifts it's just not as recognizable.
Cornell climbs to 8 from 10 in media poll, with Syracuse and Notre Dame to play this week. Penn State now has all of the first-place votes. Team on Cornell's schedule in bold.
Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
[b]1 Penn State (9 - 1) 520(26) 1[/b]
2 Loyola (8 - 2) 471 2
3 Maryland (9 - 2) 458 3
4 Virginia (9 - 2) 436 4
[b]5 Yale (7 - 2) 418 5
6 Penn (6 - 3) 390 6[/b]
7 Duke (9 - 3) 377 8
[b][color=#FF0000]8 Cornell (7 - 3) 314 10[/color][/b]
[b]9 Syracuse (6 - 3) 304 11
10 Notre Dame (5 - 4) 270 7[/b]
[b]11 Towson (7 - 3) 257 12[/b]
12 Ohio State (7 - 2) 251 9
13 High Point (9 - 2) 225 14
14 Villanova (7 - 4) 161 22
15 Denver (6 - 4) 132 13
16 Johns Hopkins (6 - 4) 128 21
[b]17 Lehigh (7 - 4) 104 15[/b]
18 North Carolina (7 - 4) 77 19
19 UMass (7 - 4) 43 17
20 Army (8 - 3) 30 16
Receiving Votes: Delaware, Richmond, Rutgers, Boston University, Georgetown, Marquette, [b]Princeton[/b], Mount St Mary's.
Coaches' poll TK.
Thanks for posting that, Bill, and bolding Cornell's opponents. You have to give the coaches (Coach Pete in particular) a lot of credit for putting together such a strong schedule for Cornell this year. If we had beaten Penn I'd feel much better about the season--as it is we are are probably one loss away from losing any chance at an at-large bid. As I type that it seems a little too bleak so I hope am wrong about that.
who knows where at large will go.. there will by about 8? almost everyone below us has 3-4 losses too and many will end up with 5-6. we split with ND and only lose to penn/yale in ivy we have a pretty solid resume.
those teams in the ACC will almost all get 1 more loss too and they are all the teams in the at large pool..
too Yale lost to Vill
if we come out of this week at 8-4 at worst and then beat prince/brown i think 10-5 or 11-5 gets us in. 2 top 10 wins and 5 top 10 losses . if we lose both this week probably need to beat penn or yale.
Latest episode of The Season (https://theseason2019.com/mens-lacrosse/chapter-3/?utm_campaign=The%20Season%202019%20-%20Chapter%203%20%28PHqEbS%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Master%20List&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJtYXJzaGZlbGRtYW5AY294Lm5ldCIsICJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIlBORVNyQyJ9) is very informative about the coach and team this year, but depressing too.
I'd never seen this before. Yikes. (https://twitter.com/brotherrice_lax/status/865715017836093442)
Quote from: TrotskyI'd never seen this before.
let's try that again (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916_Cumberland_vs._Georgia_Tech_football_game)
I knew about that one. Or, for that matter (http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/166/IHW166907_74_4_0.pdf).
Quote from: TrotskyI knew about that one. Or, for that matter (http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/166/IHW166907_74_4_0.pdf).
37 spectators. Where did they play the game? Meehan?
Interesting chart showing tournament probabilities:
http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/ncaapb01.php
Cornell #3 in SOS; #1 in average RPI of losses; two significant wins (ND and Towson); no significant losses.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioInteresting chart showing tournament probabilities:
http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/ncaapb01.php
Cornell #3 in SOS; #1 in average RPI of losses; two significant wins (ND and Towson); no significant losses.
Sometimes logic does not seem to matter in these kinds of things. Let's hope it does this time.
ND is in an interesting spot and they are one team in the mix with us..
6-5 with UNC left, they lose that and the first ACC game they cant get in at 6-7.
i they go 1-1 will they take a 7-6 ND team over us if we go 2-1 and finish 10-5 and beat ND?
UNC if they lose to ND goes to 7-6
JH probably goes to 6-7 with the b10 tourney left
how would Towson get in ahead of us losing 18-11 to us and only the loyola win as a good one
Denver will have only 1 good win if they dont win out and one one of Vill/Denver has to lose too
Mt st marys wont get in ahead of us without winning that league
we are in pretty good shape if the B10 top 3 win the title and UNC/ND dont win the acc and finish with 3 quality wins
From this week's Inside Lacrosse's "Quint's Top 20 (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-joy-and-pain-sunshine-and-rain/54264)"
Quote from: Quint Kessenich10. Cornell An unimpressive loss in the Dome highlights Cornell's issues. When you can't win a face-off and your defense resembles Swiss cheese, you're not going to beat quality opponents. The Big Red got pushed around during 50/50 groundballs. The close defense got run by; they don't have a No. 1 cover man. Sloppy passes are costly when your possession margin is slim. Time of possession was scarce. Shot selection was poor. Jeff Teat (2A) and Clarke Petterson (2A) were blanked.
A Sunday bounce-back win against Notre Dame was essential to stay in the hunt for an at-large bid and will be a launching pad for the stretch run. Big Red defended, they scrapped for face-offs and groundballs. They maximized possessions. Chayse Ierlan made 17 stops. Cornell is in desperation mode. Sometimes teams need to go there to maximize their focus.
I don't usually put much stake in QK's opinions of Cornell Lacrosse, but this one seems right on the money.
USILA polls: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/usila-coaches
1. Penn State
2. Maryland was 3
3. Duke was 6
4. Yale was 5
5. Penn was 7
...
9. Syracuse was 11 beats Cornell +2 spots
10. Cornell was 10 loses to Syracuse, beats Notre Dame
11. Notre Dame was 12 loses to Cornell +1 spot
Inside Lacrosse poll https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/inside-lacrosse has Cornell dropping from 8 to 10 but Notre Dame drops 2 to 12 and Syracuse climes 2 to 7.
Cornell-Brown game televised on NESN Saturday.
Of this week's top ten in the USILA polls, their rankings on team faceoff percentage (not in poll order) include:
1
11
12
13
15
17
28
30
35
67
Where's Cornell? 10th in the polls and 67th (of 73 teams) in faceoffs. How bad are Cornell's faceoff stats? Every team in the top 10 has a winning faceoff percentage except Loyola at .496 (rounds to 50%) and Cornell at .365. The difference from first to ninth is .275 and the difference between ninth and tenth is another .131. I would like to see the imputed goal value of each faceoff won.
[b]USILA Top 10 Teams Records F/O (rank)[/b]
1. Penn State 10-1 .594 (15) .694 25x36 vs. Cornell (PSU F/O pct.)
2. Maryland 10-2 .598 (13)
3. Duke 10-3 .530 (30)
4. Yale 8-2 .771 ( 1) .800 24X30 vs. Cornell
5. Penn 7-3 .600 (12) .606 24x33 vs. Cornell
6. Virginia 9-3 .552 (28)
7. Ohio State 8-2 .585 (17)
8. Loyola Md. 9-3 .496 (35)
9. Syracuse 8-3 .607 (11) .680 17x25 vs. Cornell
10. Cornell 8-4 .365 (67)
[b]Teams F/O Pecentage .600 or Higher
Teams .600 or Higher F/O (rank)[/b]
13. Towson .771 ( 2) .813 26x32 vs. Cornell
HM Lehigh .682 ( 4) .667 18x27 vs. Cornell
NR Holy Cross .641 ( 5)
NR Cleveland State .624 ( 6)
NR Hobart .622 ( 7) .639 22x39 vs. Cornell
15 UMass .617 ( 8)
NR St Joseph's .612 ( 9)
NR Hampton .611 (10)
The teams below Cornell on faceoffs have records of
3-8
9-3 (Army, 17th in the 4/15 poll.)
2-9
4-9
4-9
0-12 St. Bonaventure .240 (.200 vs. Cornell)
And yet we're in the top ten.
Interesting though that the top 10 in FO don't dominate the poll. Apparently it's neither necessary (Duke, Loyola, Cornell) nor sufficient (Lehigh, Holy Cross, Hobart).
Quote from: TrotskyInteresting though that the top 10 in FO don't dominate the poll. Apparently it's neither necessary (Duke, Loyola, Cornell) nor sufficient (Lehigh, Holy Cross, Hobart).
To win games against quality opponents, I think there is a necessity to get around 50 percent.
Quote from: TrotskyInteresting though that the top 10 in FO don't dominate the poll. Apparently it's neither necessary (Duke, Loyola, Cornell) nor sufficient (Lehigh, Holy Cross, Hobart).
If Ierlan transferred to Cornell instead of Yale I think we're a runaway #1. Wins over Towson and Notre Dame and a one-goal loss to Penn with a huge possession disadvantage say a lot about what the offense is like. The defense is taking a lot of understandable crap, but they are constantly on their heels due to the problems at the X.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyInteresting though that the top 10 in FO don't dominate the poll. Apparently it's neither necessary (Duke, Loyola, Cornell) nor sufficient (Lehigh, Holy Cross, Hobart).
If Ierlan transferred to Cornell instead of Yale I think we're a runaway #1. Wins over Towson and Notre Dame and a one-goal loss to Penn with a huge possession disadvantage say a lot about what the offense is like. The defense is taking a lot of understandable crap, but they are constantly on their heels due to the problems at the X.
It sounds like it's important like goaltending in hockey. You don't need an All-American to challenge for the title but (1) it helps a lot and (2) you can't have an utter deficient in there either.
5-10 more possessions mean a lot for a team that shoots as well as Cornell does.. added to that a few less possessions by the Opp probably means a few less penalties and that helps the D as well..
Quote from: upprdeck5-10 more possessions mean a lot for a team that shoots as well as Cornell does.. added to that a few less possessions by the Opp probably means a few less penalties and that helps the D as well..
I'm thinking some of those too many penalties are from being overly aggressive in trying to overcome the faceoff deficit by creating turnovers.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: TrotskyInteresting though that the top 10 in FO don't dominate the poll. Apparently it's neither necessary (Duke, Loyola, Cornell) nor sufficient (Lehigh, Holy Cross, Hobart).
To win games against quality opponents, I think there is a necessity to get around 50 percent.
That's my takeaway. Right now, 9 of 10 teams in the top 10 in polls are at 50% (rounded to 2 digits). If you're down 3 with 3 minutes to play, if you score to cut the deficit to 2, and odds are 2 in 3 you'll lose the next faceoff.
Quote from: TrotskyInteresting though that the top 10 in FO don't dominate the poll. Apparently it's neither necessary (Duke, Loyola, Cornell) nor sufficient (Lehigh, Holy Cross, Hobart).
The top teams play tougher competition, with tougher FOGOs, than do many of the teams with ostensibly higher faceoff win%. So I don't think you can really conclude much just by absolute faceoff win% ranking, other than that Cornell is absolutely atrocious and that we would likely be #1 in the country if TD Irelan had chosen us over Yale. I'm not really sure how people can fault the rest of the team--offense, defense, midfield, goalie--when our per-possession stats are incredible.
Quote from: upprdeck5-10 more possessions mean a lot for a team that shoots as well as Cornell does.. added to that a few less possessions by the Opp probably means a few less penalties and that helps the D as well..
And keeps the D fresher. (Like in hockey, when a team cycles in the offensive zone and wears down the other team's defense.)
Still surprise Irelan didnt come to play his last year with his brother.
Quote from: upprdeckStill surprise Irelan didnt come to play his last year with his brother.
He has next year, too. Probably feels he's one-upped his brother by going to Yale. I'm guessing seeing his brother going to Cornell was part of his motivation for wanting out of Albany.
I would not be surprised if also was not just a pure money based decision.
Maybe he just liked Yale more.
Some time ago I compared the web sites of Cornell's and Yale's economics departments. I found Cornell's to be dry and mostly about fulfilling requirements, while Yale's was exciting and about why studying economics at Yale was special. So what's his major?
Quote from: SwampyMaybe he just liked Yale more.
Some time ago I compared the web sites of Cornell's and Yale's economics departments. I found Cornell's to be dry and mostly about fulfilling requirements, while Yale's was exciting and about why studying economics at Yale was special. So what's his major?
He's an economics major at Yale, I think, but was looking at the Dyson school at Cornell. Yale has no undergrad business school so econ is the closest major.
Early rumors were that TD was coming to Cornell. Switch to Yale came after he visited there.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: SwampyMaybe he just liked Yale more.
Some time ago I compared the web sites of Cornell's and Yale's economics departments. I found Cornell's to be dry and mostly about fulfilling requirements, while Yale's was exciting and about why studying economics at Yale was special. So what's his major?
He's an economics major at Yale, I think, but was looking at the Dyson school at Cornell. Yale has no undergrad business school so econ is the closest major.
Well there you go!
Inside Lacrosse Bracketology 2
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/il-bracketology-men-s-division-i-second-look/54304
The Case for Cornell
With its 11-9 win over Notre Dame, Cornell placed itself back in the at-large conversation with a victory that is currently against a top 10 RPI team. In the process, Cornell moves from No. 15 in last week's RPI to No. 14, but more importantly, adds a second quality win to its resume to go along with its Towson victory. Last year at this time, Cornell was 10th in RPI and was in our projected bracket as an at-large team. So what are the reasons for selecting the Big Red as an at-large team this time around based on their body of work?
In terms of RPI, Cornell's 14th rank would not be the lowest to ever get an at large, with teams such as the 2016 National Champion North Carolina Tar Heels getting in with an 18th ranked RPI. Still, teams such as Towson and Johns Hopkins rank ahead of them in RPI. While Johns Hopkins may not have any top 10 wins to compare to Cornell's win over Notre Dame, Towson has its win over Loyola. In terms of wins against teams ranked 11th to 20th in RPI, Towson has two compared to Cornell's one (a win over Towson).
Head to head is a criteria of the selection process and one that would help give the edge to Cornell over Towson if the final at-large spot were to be decided between those two programs.
Another criteria that the committee will look at is average RPI win and average RPI loss. In terms of average RPI loss, Cornell has a rather compelling story.
Average RPI loss is defined as the average RPI of all opponents to whom a team has lost. While Cornell has four losses, all four are to teams currently in the top 5 in RPI, with Yale recently replacing Virginia in the top 5. Their average RPI loss is 3.5, which ranks tops in DI lacrosse. Dating back to 2010, any team with an average RPI loss of 5 or less has qualified for the NCAA Tournament.
Last year, Virginia (10th in RPI) had a similar resume to Cornell, ranking first in the country in terms of average RPI loss (5.2) while going 0-4 against top 5 RPI teams and 2-1 against RPI teams ranked Nos. 6-10. Their resume was enough to get them in the Tournament as an at-large against No. 6-seed Loyola.
For Cornell, their remaining schedule provides opportunities for them to add another quality win. While Brown and Princeton are both hovering around .500, the Ivy League Tournament could provide Cornell a great chance to improve its resume, as the conference ranks third in average RPI and has two of the Top 5 RPI teams in the country.
—B.C.
"Quality Losses." This has been a Cornell strength in many seasons.
Quote from: Inside LacrosseAnother criteria that the committee will look at is average RPI win and average RPI loss. In terms of average RPI loss, Cornell has a rather compelling story.
Average RPI loss is defined as the average RPI of all opponents to whom a team has lost. While Cornell has four losses, all four are to teams currently in the top 5 in RPI, with Yale recently replacing Virginia in the top 5. Their average RPI loss is 3.5, which ranks tops in DI lacrosse. Dating back to 2010, any team with an average RPI loss of 5 or less has qualified for the NCAA Tournament.
C>B, Pe>D, Pr>H today.
Next week, HvY is now irrelevant to the ILT. Here are the remaining scenarios:
B>D C>Pr: Pe,Y,C,B
B>D Pr>C: Pe,Y,(B,C,Pr)*
D>B C>Pr: Pe,Y,C,B
D>B Pr>C: Pe,Y,Pr,C
* depends on Princeton's margin of victory (capped at 6 max) over Cornell:
MOV = 1,2: C,B
MOV = 3,4,5: B,Pr
MOV = 6: Pr,C (wrong before, now fixed)
Quote from: CU77C>B, Pe>D, Pr>H today.
Next week, HvY is now irrelevant to the ILT. Here are the remaining scenarios:
B>D C>Pr: Pe,Y,C,B
B>D Pr>C: Pe,Y,(B,C,Pr)*
D>B C>Pr: Pe,Y,C,B
D>B Pr>C: Pe,Y,Pr,C
* depends on Princeton's margin of victory (capped at 6 max) over Cornell:
MOV = 1,2: C,B
MOV = 3,4,5: B,Pr
MOV = 6: Pr,B
Not sure you're right. The key clause is ambiguous because of a grammatical error. The clause reads "teams [plural] with the greatest goal differential gets [singular] higher seed (6-goal maximum differential per game)." If it should be singular, as it reads in the next tie-break criterion, the team [singular] with the greatest differential would get the 3-seed, and the 4-seed would be determined by head-to-head.
That's how I intended to do it (and I have confirmation from an informed source that this is correct), but I now realize I did the MOV=6 case the other way, and it should be Pr,C. I believe the others are correct.
Still not clear to me. What if Pr wins by 5, so both Pr and B finish +1? Does that leave the 3-seed indeterminate, so we go to the next criterion: goal differential against highest seed? If so, then Cornell gets the 3-seed and Brown the 4-seed. Or would that eliminate C at -2? Strange stuff.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWhat if Pr wins by 5, so both Pr and B finish +1?
Then Cornell is -2, and eliminated from the tie (and the ILT). Then B gets the #3 seed because they beat Pr.
I didn't previously realize that this tie-breaking system can be so wacky. If Cornell is losing to Princeton late by 3, 4 or 5 goals, then they should score some own goals so that they lose by 6 or more.
Similarly, Princeton should have lost to Brown by 6 or more, instead of by 4. Then Princeton would get in to the ILT by beating Cornell by any margin. As it is, they must win by 3 or more to get in.
Quote from: CU77Quote from: Al DeFlorioWhat if Pr wins by 5, so both Pr and B finish +1?
Then Cornell is -2, and eliminated from the tie (and the ILT).
Where does it say that in the criteria? It should, but I don't see it.
QuoteI didn't previously realize that this tie-breaking system can be so wacky. If Cornell is losing to Princeton late by 3, 4 or 5 goals, then they should score some own goals so that they lose by 6 or more.
That's what I wrote on the lax forum backup thread. Robin Harris and company better hope Cornell wins or they could be dealing with a real fiasco.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: CU77Quote from: Al DeFlorioWhat if Pr wins by 5, so both Pr and B finish +1?
Then Cornell is -2, and eliminated from the tie (and the ILT).
Where does it say that in the criteria? It should, but I don't see it.
QuoteI didn't previously realize that this tie-breaking system can be so wacky. If Cornell is losing to Princeton late by 3, 4 or 5 goals, then they should score some own goals so that they lose by 6 or more.
That's what I wrote on the lax forum backup thread. Robin Harris and company better hope Cornell wins or they could be dealing with a real fiasco.
Unfortunately another reason to give up on college lacrosse. At least until they get their sh*t together.
Cornell's Teat and Petterson: The Ultimate Linemates
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-s-teat-and-petterson-the-ultimate-linemates/54276
"They're like Gretzky-Kurri," says Dan Teat....
Good thing Binghamton is off the Cornell schedule if we want to play opponents with high RPIs. Instead we got St. Bonaventure, barely better, but it's their first season in D1. RPI rankings April 22.
[b]14. Cornell[/b]
41. Colgate (played 2018, and lost)
65. St. Bonaventure
70. Binghamton (played 2018)
Playing Lehigh we got the #27 RPI team instead of Bucknell #34.
Hobart is up to #26 in RPI and also-got-votes in the poll this week.
USILA poll https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/usila-coaches has Cornell #9, +1 places.
1. Penn State
2. Marylandd
3. Duke
4. Yale
5. Penn
Saturday opponent Princeton is marked as also Receiving Votes.
Media poll https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls has Cornell #9, +1 places. The top 5:
1. Penn State
2. Maryland
3. Duke
4. Penn (was 5)
5. Yale (was 4)
Also receiving votes: Princeton
In RPI, Cornell is 14, Princeton 26, Brown 31.
Bracketology: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/il-bracketology-men-s-division-i-fourth-look/54420
Also, an interesting Tourney related post by Dom Starsia (inside lacrosse)
Starsia: A 'Leap of Faith' to Allow Automatic Qualifiers into NCAA Tournament
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/starsia-a-leap-of-faith-to-allow-automatic-qualifiers-into-ncaa-tournament/54403
I think it's bad that Hopkins won tonight. Leap frogs them over us as a potential at-large.
JH a loss would have given us more margin, the reality is need some chalk to win
towson win helps us , but still not sure why they or loyola or even maryland are seen as locks.
maryland is now 1-4 vs teams that will be in, they are getting alot of value over beating Penn in game 1 when they were playing game 3..
we with a loss will be 2-5 with Hobart as a shot to add another.
Quote from: upprdeckmaryland is now 1-4 vs teams that will be in, they are getting alot of value over beating Penn in game 1 when they were playing game 3..
Don't think NC$$ takes this into account. Another way Ivies get screwed.
nope. season's over.
https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608
Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.
https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608
On the plus side, ESPN+ would've auto-billed again on Wednesday, so we were able to cancel 'til next hockey season...
Always looking for the silver linings.
Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.
https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608
The search for a FOGO guy begins.
Quote from: mike1960Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.
https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608
The search for a FOGO guy begins.
The current roster has five FOGOs (https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=mlax&), with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting) coming next fall.
In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.
https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608
The search for a FOGO guy begins.
The current roster has five FOGOs (https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=mlax&), with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting) coming next fall.
In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?
Well, the new guy is good news but i think it's fair to read "the search for a FOGO begins" to mean "the search for a FOGO who doesn't lose most of his faceoffs, like the ones this year, begins" is a fair way to read Mike's point. Who cares how many are on the roster right now if none of them were successful?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.
https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608
The search for a FOGO guy begins.
The current roster has five FOGOs (https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=mlax&), with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting) coming next fall.
In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?
Well, the new guy is good news but i think it's fair to read "the search for a FOGO begins" to mean "the search for a FOGO who doesn't lose most of his faceoffs, like the ones this year, begins" is a fair way to read Mike's point. Who cares how many are on the roster right now if none of them were successful?
My point is just that the best coaches can do is to evaluate players, recruit the ones whom they project will be successful, and coach up the ones they recruit. On the first two tasks, our current coaches seem to be doing reasonably well. So three possibilities remain: 1) they're not doing a good job of coaching the FOGO's once they get here, 2) for whatever reasons, the players don't live up to the projections, and/or 3) the players get injured. This seems to have been the case with Raz this year.
Oh, one more thing. 4) The team runs into an historical talent like TD. This would make beating Yale exceptionally difficult, but it still wouldn't explain mediocre FOGO results against so many other teams.
Maybe we can get one of these guys (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/individual/410) to transfer.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.
https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608
The search for a FOGO guy begins.
The current roster has five FOGOs (https://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=mlax&), with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO (https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting) coming next fall.
In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?
Well, the new guy is good news but i think it's fair to read "the search for a FOGO begins" to mean "the search for a FOGO who doesn't lose most of his faceoffs, like the ones this year, begins" is a fair way to read Mike's point. Who cares how many are on the roster right now if none of them were successful?
My point is just that the best coaches can do is to evaluate players, recruit the ones whom they project will be successful, and coach up the ones they recruit. On the first two tasks, our current coaches seem to be doing reasonably well. So three possibilities remain: 1) they're not doing a good job of coaching the FOGO's once they get here, 2) for whatever reasons, the players don't live up to the projections, and/or 3) the players get injured. This seems to have been the case with Raz this year.
Oh, one more thing. 4) The team runs into an historical talent like TD. This would make beating Yale exceptionally difficult, but it still wouldn't explain mediocre FOGO results against so many other teams.
Maybe we can get one of these guys (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/individual/410) to transfer.
If Petrakis is truly one of the one or two best FOGO's coming out of HS, we should be at least competitive at faceoffs next year. And I think Graham improved over the course of the season and can certainly be in the mix with the other guys coming back.
Quote from: scoop85If Petrakis is truly one of the one or two best FOGO's coming out of HS, we should be at least competitive at faceoffs next year. And I think Graham improved over the course of the season and can certainly be in the mix with the other guys coming back.
Just that it's not like having two fair-to-good linebackers, where the talent is additive. We will have a great FOGO coming into Cornell the year before the faceoff goes away.
Cornell A Jeff Teat is third-team All-America and LSM middie Brandon Salvatore is HM on the 2019 Inside Lacrosse media All-America team. IL calls it "an annual survey of more than 20 people who cover lacrosse regularly and are tasked with honoring the highest performers this spring." (Hello, get me rewrite.) First team attack is Grant Ament of Penn State (probably the Tewaaraton favorite), Pat Spencer of Loyola and - stop press! - sophomore Chris Gray of BU. They are the top 3 scorers in D1 this year. UMass and Duke have two each first team. Ivies named first-team AA were Penn freshman M Sam Handley, Yale FO TD Ierlan. A Michael Sowers of Princeton on second team.
FWIW, the media voters had Sowers, Spencer, and Teat as first-team in a pre-season poll, and Teat was first-team (both USILA coaches and IL media) as a freshman and sophomore. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2019-di-men-s-media-all-americans/54526
2019 DI Men's Media All-Americans - First Team
A-Grant Ament, Jr., Penn State <--- 26G 83A 109 Pts (109 pts after NCAA 1st round; 6.8 ppg, best in D1)
A-Pat Spencer, Sr., Loyola <--- 43G 60A 103 Pts (career 143G 226A 369 Pts in 67 games)
A-Chris Gray, So., Boston U <--- 49G 62A 111 Pts (most total points in D1, 6.5 ppg)
M-Sam Handley, Fr., Penn
M-Dox Aitken, Jr., Virginia
M-Bryan Costabile, Jr., Notre Dame
FO-TD Ierlan, Jr., Yale
SSDM-Zach Goodrich, Sr., Towson
LSM-Isaac Paparo, Sr., UMass
D-Johnny Surdick, Sr., Army
D-Cade Van Raaphorst, Sr., Duke
D-JT Giles-Harris, Jr., Duke
G-Sean Sconone, Sr., UMass
Second Team
A-Michael Sowers, Jr., Princeton
A-Asher Nolting, So., High Point
A-Mac O'Keefe, Jr., Penn State
M-Chase Scanlan, Fr., Loyola
M-Max Tuttle, Sr., Sacred Heart
M-Ryan Conrad, Sr., Virginia
FO-Alex Woodall, Sr., Towson
SSDM-TJ Comizio, Sr., Villanova
LSM-Jared Conners, Jr., Virginia
D-Nick Mellen, RJr., Syracuse
D-Craig Chick, Sr., Lehigh
D-Chris Sabia, Sr., Penn State
G-Jacob Stover, Sr., Loyola
Third Team
A-Jared Bernhardt, Jr., Maryland
A-Daniel Bucaro, Sr., Georgetown
A-Jeff Teat, Jr., Cornell
M-Lucas Wittenberg, Sr., Georgetown
M-Nick Spillane,Sr., Penn State
M-Brendan Curry, So., Syracuse
FO-Kyle Gallagher, Jr., Penn
SSDM-Ryan Terefenko, Jr., Ohio State
LSM-Brett Kennedy, RSo., Syracuse
D-Chris Fake, So., Yale
D-Koby Smith, So., Towson
D-Gibson Smith, So., Georgetown
G-AJ Barretto, Sr., Army
Honorable Mention
A-Joey Epstein, Fr., Johns Hopkins <--- Inside Lacrosse top recruit
A-Jackson Morrill, Jr., Yale
A-Logan Wisnauskas, So., Maryland
A-Michael Kraus, Jr., Virginia
A-Jake Carraway, Jr., Georgetown
M-Connor Kirst, Jr., Villanova
M-Brad Smith, Sr., Duke
M-Jack Tigh, Sr., Yale
M-Tyler Dunn, Sr., Penn
M-Anthony DeMaio, So., Maryland
FO-Gerard Arceri, Jr., Penn State
FO-Conor Gaffney, Jr., Lehigh
SSDM-Danny Logan, Jr., Denver
SSDM-Peter Dearth, Jr., Syracuse
SSDM- Drew Schantz, Sr., Notre Dame
SSDM-Roman Puglise, So., Maryland
LSM-Brandon Salvatore, Jr., Cornell
D-Dylan Gaines, Sr., Denver
D-Curtis Corley, Sr., Maryland
D-Patrick Foley, Sr., Johns Hopkins
D-George Baughan, So., Princeton
G-Max Edelmann, RSr., Rutgers
G-Matt DeLuca, Jr., Delaware <--- no relation to Delaware HC Ben DeLuca '98 former Cornell HC
G-Tim Troutner, Sr., High Point
As a freshman, Jeff Teat broke Rob Pannell's freshman scoring record of 72 points, last year he had 99 points (62 assists, third all time behind only Tim Goldstein and Eamon McEneaney). This year it dropped to 34-36--70. Ever since Brown locked down on Teat in the 2018 Ivy tournament (1G, 2A after going 2G, 8A vs. Brown in RS) he's been a different player in terms of production. Let's hope Cornell develops some outside midfielder shooting to loosen up defenses and free our man-pushed-about-town. Lacrosse is following basketball in allowing size and aggression to substitute for skill. Maybe it's a reaction to balls that don't come loose so easily. Would Eamon McEneaney '77 (RIP 9/11) at 5-9 and 145 be competitive today?
When Teat gets free and when there's a shooter free to take Teat's pass, he is the best player in lacrosse. As when he threaded that pass to Clarke Petterson to beat Princeton with 8 seconds left.
https://twitter.com/CornellVideo/status/1122264493872992256
Cornell is/was better than most of those teams in the final 8.
Quote from: mike1960Cornell is/was better than most of those teams in the final 8.
The problem is we lost to three of them, twice to Yale.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mike1960Cornell is/was better than most of those teams in the final 8.
The problem is we lost to three of them, twice to Yale.
I'd say those are the three best teams remaining in the tournament. Penn State's lost only to Yale. Since their opener, Yale's lost only to Penn. And Penn hasn't lost to anyone since March 2.
Problem is the dopes on the committee have seeded them so only one can get to the championship game.
Jeff Teat second team among USILA coaches vs. third team among the media. A Clarke Petterson and LSM Brandon Salvatore are HM. Princeton's Michael Sowers on first team attack along with Loyola's Pat Spencer and Penn State's Grant Ament.
USILA DIVISION I ALL-AMERICANS
FIRST TEAM
Pat Spencer A Loyola
Grant Ament A Penn State
Michael Sowers A Princeton
Jared Bernhardt A Maryland
Bryan Costabile M Notre Dame
Dox Aitken M Virginia
Sam Handley M Penn
Ryan Conrad M Virginia
Johnny Surdick D Army
JT Giles-Harris D Duke
Cade Van RaaphorstD Duke
Chris Sabia D Penn State
Sean Sconone G UMass
Jacob Stover G Loyola
TD Ierlan FO Yale
Jared Conners LSM Virginia
Zach Goodrich SSDM Towson
SECOND TEAM
Chris Gray A Boston University
Daniel Bucaro A Georgetown
[b]Jeff Teat A Cornell[/b]
Mac O'Keefe A Penn State
Brad Smith M Duke
Chase Scanlan M Loyola
Lucas WittenbergM Georgetown
Nick Spillane M Penn State
Chris Fake D Yale
Nick Mellen D Syracuse
Patrick Foley D Johns Hopkins
Craig Chick D Lehigh
AJ Barretto G Army
Tim Troutner G High Point
Alex Woodall FO Towson
Isaac Paparo LSM UMass
Ryan Terefenko SSDM Ohio State
THIRD TEAM
NAME
POS
COLLEGE
Asher Nolting A High Point
Michael Kraus A Virginia
Jackson Morrill A Yale
Joey Epstein A Johns Hopkins
Max Tuttle M Sacred Heart
Brendan Curry M Syracuse
Nakeie Montgomery M Duke
Bubba Fairman M Maryland
Jack Kelly M Penn State
Koby Smith D Towson
Curtis Corley D Maryland
Jack Rowlett D North Carolina
Mark Evanchick D Penn
Max Edelmann G Rutgers
Reed Junkin G Penn
Gerard Arceri FO Penn State
Kyle Gallagher FO Penn
Brett Kennedy LSM Syracuse
T.J. Comizio SSDM Villanova
HONORABLE MENTION
NAME
POS
COLLEGE
Simon Mathias A Penn
Matt Moore A Virginia
Brendan Sunday A Towson
Jake Carraway A Georgetown
Ethan Walker A Denver
[b]Clarke Petterson A Cornell[/b]
Brendan Nichtern A Army
Logan Wisnauskas A Maryland
Brendan Gleason A Notre Dame
Kieran Mullins A Rutgers
Kevin Lindley A Loyola
Ryan Lanchbury A Richmond
Adam Goldner A Penn
Tre Leclaire A Ohio State
Nate Solomon A Syracuse
Matt Gaudet A Yale
Connor Kirst M Villanova
Jack Tigh M Yale
Tyler Dunn M Penn
Tyson Gibson M Robert Morris
Jamie Trimboli M Syracuse
Colton Jackson M Denver
Jack Jasinski M Ohio State
Anthony DeMaio M Maryland
Timmy Kelly M North Carolina
Mitch Savoca M Richmond
Jack Kielty D Notre Dame
Gibson Smith D Georgetown
George Baughan D Princeton
Dylan Gaines D Denver
Kyle Pless D Rutgers
Logan Greco D Virginia
Tyson Bomberry D Syracuse
Nick Cardile D Penn State
Aidan Hynes D Yale
Matt Borges D Ohio State
Brandon Jones D Air Force
Matt DeLuca G Delaware
Colby Kneese G Penn State
Phil Goss G Brown
Tate Boyce G Providence
Conor Gaffney FO Lehigh
Justin Inacio FO Ohio State
Ryan McNulty LSM Loyola
Noah Richard LSM Marquette
[b]Brandon Salvatore LSM Cornell[/b]
Tommy Wright LSM Penn State
Peter Dearth SSDM Syracuse
Danny Logan SSDM Denver
John Daniggelis SSDM Yale
John Prendergast SSDM Duke Quote from: USILALoyola's Pat Spencer has been named the national player of the year by the United States Intercollegiate Lacrosse Association, which released its annual All-American teams and award winners Thursday.
Spencer, who finished his career as the NCAA's all-time leader with 231 assists and as the No. 2 all-time scorer with 380 points, won the Lt. Raymond J. Enners Award as the most outstanding player in Division I.
Penn State's Grant Ament, Army's Johnny Surdick, UMass' Sean Sconone and Towson's Zach Goodrich won the remaining awards.
Ament, who owns the NCAA single-season record with 91 assists going into this weekend's national semifinal against Yale, earned the Lt. Col. J.I. Turnbull Award given to the nation's top attackman.
Surdick won the William C. Schmeisser Award as defensive player of the year, Sconone took home the Ensign C. Markland Kelly Jr. award for outstanding goalie, and Goodrich got the nod for the Lt. j.g. Donald MacLaughlin Jr. Award as the top midfielder.
The USILA All-American teams are listed below [above]. Virginia, making its first NCAA semifinal appearance since 2011 this weekend, leads all schools with three first-team selections. Fellow final four participants Penn State and Duke landed two players each on the first team, as did Loyola.
Virginia beat Yale with great defense, solid goalie work, competitive FOGO play, and in general very physical play against a Yale team that likes to outmuscle its opponents. I don't see any reason why Cornell can't do exactly the same thing next year. I guess we could also use the magic long stick woodie, but for now I'll take great defense. Defense often wins championships.