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Might as well compare apples to apples.

Frozen four would exceed expectations.... can't wait!

Quote from: KenPFrozen four would exceed expectations.... can't wait!

I agree on that, even if I think next year's team will have what it takes to get there. Once you reach the NCAA regionals, you still need things to go your way.

As we said in another thread, keep getting to the dance.  The Class of '20 has been twice, now, with two more chances.  The Classes of '12, '06, and '05 went 3x.

Only in '70 did Cornell have a 4-year streak (although the Class of '70 went just 3x since freshman were ineligible).  That at a time when the Frozen Four was the entire tournament!

In the last 38 seasons Cornell has been to the F4 just once.  That's the next hill to climb: start getting there (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ncaa_F4_Matrix_by_Year.html).  Maine went to the F4 8x in the decade 1995-2004, BC 8x in the 11 years 1998-2008 and NoDak 8x in the 11 years 2005-16.  We're not going to do that, but perhaps we can make it 1-2 times a decade like BU, Denver, UMD, or... Quinnipiac and Union?

Someone still needs to clarify what this question is asking. Are we predicting where Cornell will finish or stating what finish we would find satisfactory?

Quote from: BearLoverSomeone still needs to clarify what this question is asking. Are we predicting where Cornell will finish or stating what finish we would find satisfactory?

ex·pec·ta·tion

noun
a strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
"reality had not lived up to expectations"
synonyms:   supposition, assumption, presumption, conjecture, surmise, calculation, prediction, hope More
a belief that someone will or should achieve something.
"students had high expectations for their future"
synonyms:   supposition, assumption, presumption, conjecture, surmise, calculation, prediction, hope
"her expectations were unrealistic"

I've removed the word "prediction."  The question is what would meet your expectation, so you are giving the finish that you would be satisfied with given your expectation.

In making your choice, you may want to keep this in mind:

https://twitter.com/joshseguin24/status/978399454624665601?s=21

Angello had one huge scoring streak and makes us better. I dont think he dominated enough to say we cant be pretty good without him. The drop off for harvard and Danato was much larger than ours is if he leaves.

Quote from: upprdeckAngello had one huge scoring streak and makes us better. I dont think he dominated enough to say we cant be pretty good without him. The drop off for harvard and Danato was much larger than ours is if he leaves.

I agree. But I'd like our chances at least a bit more if Angello returns.

Quote from: upprdeckAngello had one huge scoring streak and makes us better. I dont think he dominated enough to say we cant be pretty good without him. The drop off for harvard and Danato was much larger than ours is if he leaves.

Speaking of Donato and Harvard, I haven't checked what Harvard's record was with Donato and without Donato this season, but a friend told me that he sat next to the parent of a Harvard player on a plane ride and this parent told him that Harvard played better without Donato since the team wasn't as focused on just one player.

the leading scorer in the country signed for the max ELC.  he will make 70K/925K.  thats the Max than angello can get.  more likely get gets a 2 yr deal than a 3 offered.  he will end up with 100K less taxes in the bank and a 70K salary. He probably makes close to that if he gets a job in his major.

If he wants to try his luck with Pitt or thinks he wont get drafted/FA again by coming back then he probably goes.

Quote from: upprdeckthe leading scorer in the country signed for the max ELC.  he will make 70K/925K.  thats the Max than angello can get.  more likely get gets a 2 yr deal than a 3 offered.  he will end up with 100K less taxes in the bank and a 70K salary. He probably makes close to that if he gets a job in his major.

If he wants to try his luck with Pitt or thinks he wont get drafted/FA again by coming back then he probably goes.

I think even for Donato the decision to go early was heavily influenced by his performance in the Olympics. No question, if the Olympics were next year, he'd be staying in college. If he had flopped or even been a minor role player, I suspect he'd be back again next year. Instead, he chose to strike while the iron was hot.

AA has nothing like this. He was tied for 16th in the league in pts and tied for 10th in goals; nationally this puts him behind 236 other players in points and 82 in goals.

Hockey is a business, and after his Olympic performance Donato is sure to attract attention. Angelo needs to be the leading scorer on a team that at least makes the FF, if not wins a NC, to be even close in value coming out. Down he road, his skill set may even be more valuable than Donato's. But not now.

or he signs an ELC, tries the AHL for a few years, and failing that, ECHL and Europe and comes back for his degree when his career is done.  It's not like Pittsburgh's farm system is so loaded that he wouldn't have a chance to play.

Quote from: upprdeckthe leading scorer in the country signed for the max ELC.  he will make 70K/925K.  thats the Max than angello can get.  more likely get gets a 2 yr deal than a 3 offered.  he will end up with 100K less taxes in the bank and a 70K salary. He probably makes close to that if he gets a job in his major.

If he wants to try his luck with Pitt or thinks he wont get drafted/FA again by coming back then he probably goes.

Does this take into account signing bonus?

max signing bonus is 92K.. 10% of what ever your pro salary is.

Seems like an underwhelming alternative to:

Stay, win championships, and then get a taste of the pros afterwards, likely ending up in better situations at better pay all the way through.

Or:

Stay, get a diploma, get a great job, and start racking up the Benjamins while your colleagues languish in the ECHL or the mid-Cambrian League.

But, hey, what do I know? Siren songs are well nigh irresistible.

Another motivation in play is the parent club talking with the family & advisor and saying "he has the best chance to develop and 'make it to the NHL' by joining our farm system, developing under our coaches/trainers, and playing 70 games a year. It may take a couple seasons, but we'd be much more interested in this kid if he were under our control."

Now it just so happens that a coach like Schafer now has a reputation at developing the defensive depth and toughness that a lot of players at this level may need to advance into the pros, which may help belay that urge.

Also some NHL franchises trust and respect the college development system and others don't.

5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

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Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

There's a zoo in Buffalo?  And they have guanacos?  

Cool!

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Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

There's a zoo in Buffalo?  And they have guanacos?  

Cool!

Yes. And no. But we've got slightly over a year for contingency planning.

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Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

There's a zoo in Buffalo?  And they have guanacos?  

Cool!

Yes. And no. But we've got slightly over a year for contingency planning.

That's OK.  I've seen them in the wild.  So seeing one in a zoo would be a bit of a let down.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

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Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

There's a zoo in Buffalo?  And they have guanacos?  

Cool!

Yes. And no. But we've got slightly over a year for contingency planning.

That's OK.  I've seen them in the wild.  So seeing one in a zoo would be a bit of a let down.

C'mon, man - I've seen Greg in the wild, too. It can be a little hard to take, but that doesn't mean we should lock him up.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

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Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

There's a zoo in Buffalo?  And they have guanacos?  

Cool!

Yes. And no. But we've got slightly over a year for contingency planning.

Blue.  Top center.

(http://www.zoolex.org/zoolexstat/pictdir//1027/over.jpg)

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

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Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

There's a zoo in Buffalo?  And they have guanacos?  

Cool!

Yes. And no. But we've got slightly over a year for contingency planning.

Blue.  Top center.

(http://www.zoolex.org/zoolexstat/pictdir//1027/over.jpg)

That map appears out of date ("Open July 2008" ). See https://buffalozoo.org/our-animals/ .

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Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Beeeej

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

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Quote from: Trotsky5% of you people consider a national championship to meet your expectations?  ::wow::

Huh.  All I can say is if we win the 2019 NC$$ title and I don't wake up the next morning in a shopping cart inside the guanaco exhibit at the Buffalo Zoo, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Noted.

There's a zoo in Buffalo?  And they have guanacos?  

Cool!

Yes. And no. But we've got slightly over a year for contingency planning.

Blue.  Top center.

(http://www.zoolex.org/zoolexstat/pictdir//1027/over.jpg)

That map appears out of date ("Open July 2008"). See https://buffalozoo.org/our-animals/ .

While I'm majorly bummed out Cornell's hockey season is over, what this forum becomes in the off-season is a bit of a consolation.

Quote from: BeeeejThat map appears out of date ("Open July 2008"). See https://buffalozoo.org/our-animals/ .

They stuck a fucking children's zoo there.  Probably not the best place to turn up drunk and disorderly at 5 am.

(https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/buffalozoo/uploads/2015/09/17212002/map-2016.jpg)


In all honesty it appears to be a really lame zoo.  Guess I'll need to keep looking.  Where's the mayor live?

(http://www.imcdb.org/i044744.jpg)

Is that the same white chevy that Ron Howard drove in American Graffitti???

Quote from: TimVIs that the same white chevy that Ron Howard drove in American Graffitti???

Doesn't look like it. (http://www.superchevy.com/news/1509-american-graffiti-white-1958-chevy-impala-goes-to-auction/) The AG one is pinstriped and has a 4-barrel 348, and three-speed manual transmission. I think Mayor DePasto would have driven an automatic. Also, according to the link, the original AG car was sold in 1972 for $285, after its involvement in shooting the film was over but before the film was released (in 1973) and the car became iconic and as valuable as John Voight's convertable (https://youtu.be/fm2iNNqj2fQ). Shooting of Animal House didn't begin until 1977. The original car was long gone by then.

Quote from: TimVIs that the same white chevy that Ron Howard drove in American Graffitti???

Is that the car with the THX-1138 license plate?

Evan Tironese has left RPI. (He's no longer in the directory.) The following players have also supposedly left or were kicked off the team: Jesper Ohrvall, Emil Ohrvall, Max Reisinger, Jon Richard, Owen Stout, Charlie Manley, and Kyle St. Denis. Troy "New" York and Gavin Payne left during the year.

Quote from: ursusminorEvan Tironese has left RPI. (He's no longer in the directory.) The following players have also supposedly left or were kicked off the team: Jesper Ohrvall, Emil Ohrvall, Max Reisinger, Jon Richard, Owen Stout, Charlie Manley, and Kyle St. Denis. Troy "New" York and Gavin Payne left during the year.

I have updated the Predictions to reflect The Purge.  It did not change RPI's 11th place, bringing to mind Branch Rickey's remark to Ralph Kiner during salary negotiation: "we finished last with you and we can finish last without you."

I think it may be time to unstick this post and/or create a new one....

Quote from: KenPI think it may be time to unstick this post and/or create a new one....

Why? Last year 62% of the predictions were wrong. Would you fly in an airplane with this record? Why repeat something so unreliable.

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Quote from: KenPI think it may be time to unstick this post and/or create a new one....

Why? Last year 62% of the predictions were wrong. Would you fly in an airplane with this record? Why repeat something so unreliable.

1) Ken clearly said "and/or"

2) There are no predictions that were wrong. Many expectations were.

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Quote from: KenPI think it may be time to unstick this post and/or create a new one....

Why? Last year 62% of the predictions were wrong. Would you fly in an airplane with this record? Why repeat something so unreliable.

If that's your criteria, you might as well eliminate the whole forum.:-D

don't want to start a new thread and put a big fwiw here but regardless, i like this https://twitter.com/Buccigross/status/1168916664173367297

Quote from: ugartedon't want to start a new thread and put a big fwiw here but regardless, i like this https://twitter.com/Buccigross/status/1168916664173367297

Stay like that and I'd be happy if it was already next spring (Pre-NCAAs).